WEBVTT 00:00:00.514 --> 00:00:07.768 - All right, so I guess call to order. So this meeting will now come to order. So let's do a roll call. 00:00:07.768 --> 00:00:14.809 - So Nedab Delrahim, chair. Gerard Ponacook, Grant's subcommittee chair. Colin Dugger. Commissioner. 00:00:14.809 --> 00:00:21.992 - Commissioner. There we go. Thank you. H. Sharp, staff. Rob Shakespeare, commissioner. Gretchen Mell, 00:00:21.992 --> 00:00:28.606 - commissioner. Betsy Stewart, commissioner. Austin Mike, commissioner. Christina Elam, staff. 00:00:30.178 --> 00:00:39.790 - And Becca, too, if you can just let us know your remote as well. Becca, public art subcommittee chair. 00:00:39.790 --> 00:00:49.868 - Is remote. Is remote. Thank you. All right. So next on our agenda is approval and or correction of minutes. 00:00:49.868 --> 00:00:53.694 - So the secretary's draft of the minutes. 00:00:53.986 --> 00:01:02.100 - of the August meeting was sent to everyone and a copy is in the meeting packet. Are there any corrections 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:10.138 - to the minutes as distributed? All right, great. There are no corrections. I move to approve the minutes 00:01:10.138 --> 00:01:18.023 - as distributed. Can I get a second? Second. Thanks. All in favor, say yes. Yes. Those opposed, say no. 00:01:18.023 --> 00:01:22.846 - All right, minutes are approved. Thank you. And next, we go to 00:01:23.298 --> 00:01:32.467 - We're at the new commissioner, actually, who's not here. Can you find our final tools? Yeah. OK, let's 00:01:32.467 --> 00:01:41.724 - do this. Who is it? Larissa. Danielle. Yeah, she's an adjunct. Jared was just explaining. He knows her. 00:01:41.724 --> 00:01:50.091 - She's an artist in town, but is also, I believe, an adjunct professor. Is she an adjunct now? 00:01:50.091 --> 00:01:53.118 - I think so. I think she might be. 00:01:53.954 --> 00:02:03.973 - Let me fact check that. I didn't see her on the roster, but honestly, it changes all the time, so. Yes. 00:02:03.973 --> 00:02:13.606 - OK, so yes, now we're city staff for the financials. Sorry. Sorry, can you repeat that? Is it tiny? 00:02:13.606 --> 00:02:20.446 - Huh? I was saying, is it tiny? It's very tiny for people to calculate. 00:02:20.930 --> 00:02:27.560 - There's very little changes in the last time. This is just delineated how much was we spent for the 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:34.456 - round of arts project support grants. And then we do have the professional development funds. And Kerti 00:02:34.456 --> 00:02:41.484 - Steno will actually talk about that because we are going to be doing a round of trainings, opportunities, 00:02:41.484 --> 00:02:49.374 - and the funds will be expended at some point this fall. There will be changes once we do artistic advancement as well. 00:02:50.466 --> 00:02:58.239 - And that's it. Wonderful. OK, so for now, we'll just wait to see if Larissa is able to join us, and 00:02:58.239 --> 00:03:06.089 - we can have her introduce herself at that point. But we can move on to the next thing on the agenda. 00:03:06.089 --> 00:03:13.940 - So back to- She didn't say she's not on your note. Oh, she did say she's not on your note. She might 00:03:13.940 --> 00:03:19.070 - have had trouble getting the link. She had trouble with the link. 00:03:21.410 --> 00:03:33.751 - Yeah, I only see you back there. Oh, there she is. Yay. Perfect. OK, then let's wait for Larissa to 00:03:33.751 --> 00:03:46.462 - get online, and then we can ask her to introduce herself. Hey, Larissa. Hey, Larissa, can you hear us? 00:03:55.554 --> 00:04:12.768 - Hey Larissa, we can't hear you. I don't know if you can speak. Oh, there she is. Hi. There you are. 00:04:12.768 --> 00:04:15.006 - Hi, welcome. 00:04:16.738 --> 00:04:23.733 - Okay, so we only just got started a little bit ago, and you actually came perfectly at time. We were 00:04:23.733 --> 00:04:30.798 - introducing you. So if you want to just share your name, a little bit about yourself, and then we can 00:04:30.798 --> 00:04:37.724 - all maybe do a quick round. I don't know if you can see us all, but if you can, hopefully we can do 00:04:37.724 --> 00:04:44.788 - a little round of names after you introduce yourself, if that's okay. Okay, yeah, sure. So my name is 00:04:44.788 --> 00:04:45.758 - Livia Cepeno. 00:04:46.434 --> 00:04:53.932 - I've been in Bloomington for, I don't know, maybe a couple years or so. I'm an artist, sculptor, 00:04:53.932 --> 00:05:02.435 - and painter. I graduated from IU with an MFA a couple years ago, so I'm excited to be here on our commission. 00:05:02.435 --> 00:05:10.551 - Great, thank you. And then I introduce myself over email, but I'm Neda. I'm the chair of the commission, 00:05:10.551 --> 00:05:13.566 - so welcome. And then we can just go to 00:05:14.978 --> 00:05:22.311 - Hi Larissa, I'm Gerard Ponacook. I've been on the Arts Commission for almost six years now, and I also 00:05:22.311 --> 00:05:30.142 - work with the IU Arts and Humanities Council. And I'm not directly connected with the Prison Arts Initiative, 00:05:30.142 --> 00:05:37.261 - but I'm aware of the work that you do with that. Okay, nice to see you. My name's Colin. I'm new to 00:05:37.261 --> 00:05:42.814 - the Commission as well. Last month was my first meeting, so nice to meet you. 00:05:45.090 --> 00:05:56.674 - Hi, Larissa. Great to see you again. Hi. Rob Shakespeare. Hi. I'm a lighting designer, and I do some 00:05:56.674 --> 00:06:09.061 - public art, art installations that integrate light. And this is the end of my third year. Hi, I'm Gretchen. 00:06:09.061 --> 00:06:14.910 - This is the end of my third year. I'm public arts. 00:06:15.074 --> 00:06:29.667 - commission, and I used to hold really fun art openings in my office for a few years as a member of First 00:06:29.667 --> 00:06:41.342 - Fridays. Hi, I'm Betsy. I think you know me, but I used to be at IU. Yeah. You too. 00:06:44.866 --> 00:06:54.291 - I'm the public art subcommittee chair. I also work at IU. And I'm pretty recent to being on the commission 00:06:54.291 --> 00:07:03.363 - as well. I started in April. So it's nice to meet you. Yes, you too. My name is Austin. I'm fairly new 00:07:03.363 --> 00:07:12.436 - to the commission. I believe I work on the grants committee. I should know this by now. But yeah, nice 00:07:12.436 --> 00:07:14.814 - to meet you. Yes, you too. 00:07:15.426 --> 00:07:22.133 - Hey, Larissa, we know each other, but it's good seeing you again. Okay, great. Thanks, everyone, for 00:07:22.133 --> 00:07:28.375 - doing that. And welcome, Larissa. If there's anything that comes up, they have any questions, 00:07:28.375 --> 00:07:35.082 - let us know. But we're going to move on to the next piece of the agenda. This is back to city staff, 00:07:35.082 --> 00:07:40.926 - so staff report, and there's a few things on the agenda for that. So I'll take it away. 00:07:41.474 --> 00:07:48.854 - get off about the bead which is a Bloomington entertainment and arts district. It's a cultural district 00:07:48.854 --> 00:07:55.951 - that's state designated and went through a whole application process and it's just at FYI the state 00:07:55.951 --> 00:08:03.189 - of Indiana arts commission is going to be doing a recertification. So we'll have to determine whether 00:08:03.189 --> 00:08:05.886 - we want to apply to be recertified as 00:08:05.986 --> 00:08:12.846 - state-designated cultural district. It's also an opportunity to change the boundaries. Maybe we want 00:08:12.846 --> 00:08:19.841 - to expand. Maybe we want to contract. So there will be an LOI, a letter of intent, to apply by the end 00:08:19.841 --> 00:08:26.769 - of October if Bloomington wishes to move forward with that. The city was the original applicant. That 00:08:26.769 --> 00:08:29.214 - was the requirement of the program. 00:08:29.346 --> 00:08:35.190 - But we'll work with the Bead committee to determine what they're interested in doing. I met with Galen 00:08:35.190 --> 00:08:41.148 - to get that kick started and we'll attend the September 30th meeting, I think it is, and just talk about 00:08:41.148 --> 00:08:47.389 - that briefly. And then the application deadline is the end of December, if we choose to go in that direction, 00:08:47.389 --> 00:08:51.134 - to get recertified. The recertification will be every four years. 00:08:51.234 --> 00:08:57.763 - And it is kind of a good opportunity to defibrillate interest into the downtown, or it's an entertainment 00:08:57.763 --> 00:09:04.168 - district. They'll also have a grant opportunity for up to $5,000. Something we've already kicked around 00:09:04.168 --> 00:09:10.450 - is like wayfinding, which is something needed in the area. So just aesthetic improvements in general, 00:09:10.450 --> 00:09:15.870 - I think, would be important. So know that that's just an FYI is coming around the bend, 00:09:15.970 --> 00:09:24.041 - I guess promoting arts and cultural opportunities is part of what the BAC is about. So that's a lot 00:09:24.041 --> 00:09:32.112 - of what BEAD does. It's like promotions and marketing of the downtown area. So it just adds up. Any 00:09:32.112 --> 00:09:40.344 - questions about that? What does BEAD stand for? Lovington Entertainment Arts District. Yeah. And it's 00:09:40.344 --> 00:09:44.702 - West Kirkwood, right? Truthfully, I mean, that's a... 00:09:44.898 --> 00:09:56.083 - I don't know what the boundary map is quite yet. That'll be another that'll be a conversation because 00:09:56.083 --> 00:10:07.159 - because that's the opportunity to change the boundaries as through this process which will be really 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:12.094 - a good thing to move forward with. So I have 00:10:12.738 --> 00:10:19.634 - Three things. So professional development trainings. So we'll be launching three professional development 00:10:19.634 --> 00:10:26.400 - workshops. The first one will be October 19, and then it'll happen kind of every other week. So October 00:10:26.400 --> 00:10:32.971 - 19, November 2, and November 16. Andrea M. Sterling, she is a facilitator, and so she will be giving 00:10:32.971 --> 00:10:40.127 - workshops. And so the workshops work together as far as their topics, but you can also attend them standalone 00:10:40.127 --> 00:10:42.014 - if you can't make all three. 00:10:42.178 --> 00:10:49.733 - The topics are more so around like conflict resolution, collaborative community, being like collaborative 00:10:49.733 --> 00:10:56.932 - as an artist, and then also burnout. So those are the three topics that we're exploring. So yeah, so 00:10:56.932 --> 00:11:04.203 - that will go live as far as signups on Monday. And so people have like weeks to be able to sign up to 00:11:04.203 --> 00:11:10.974 - what they will do. It is limited seating. So like 12 to 25 is the cap because it's just better 00:11:11.298 --> 00:11:20.038 - with that number, as far as getting the most out of the workshop. And they'll all be held at the wall 00:11:20.038 --> 00:11:28.779 - joint. And it focuses on emerging artists? Yeah, so it's focused on just artists in general, and then 00:11:28.779 --> 00:11:37.605 - arts administrators. But also people who are considering making their artistic practice more than just 00:11:37.605 --> 00:11:41.118 - a hobby. Because our initiative is like, 00:11:41.218 --> 00:11:47.745 - creative entrepreneurs so if you're thinking about making that transition you can also attend but that's 00:11:47.745 --> 00:11:53.962 - kind of what the focus is. How do participants like get into the program like say there's more than 00:11:53.962 --> 00:12:00.179 - 25 people who want to be in a in a workshop like is there an application is it just you sign up and 00:12:00.179 --> 00:12:06.644 - you get in like first come first serve? Yeah so it's just a registration link is first come first serve 00:12:06.644 --> 00:12:07.390 - yeah and so 00:12:08.610 --> 00:12:15.048 - In the past, what we've done is if people like more people sign up in spots, we would have like a waiting 00:12:15.048 --> 00:12:21.121 - list and then people and we try to like communicate to make sure that like you can't make it. Okay, 00:12:21.121 --> 00:12:27.376 - cool. So we can like go to the waiting list and people can still have the opportunity and we make sure 00:12:27.376 --> 00:12:33.571 - that those seats are filled. Um, but that's been our process. Do you like any commissioners to attend 00:12:33.571 --> 00:12:34.846 - any of those or, uh, 00:12:35.682 --> 00:12:44.990 - We'd take up a spot if we do. Yeah, technically, I would. Any other questions on that? OK. Commissioner 00:12:44.990 --> 00:12:54.567 - trainings. So Jennifer Crossley sent out a email to all the commissioners either this morning or yesterday 00:12:54.567 --> 00:13:02.622 - about the next commissioner training. These are required, and it will be on September 30. 00:13:03.074 --> 00:13:12.530 - 30, it will be in the chambers, the big room down the hall. And then there's also a virtual option. 00:13:12.530 --> 00:13:22.081 - As far as the previous questions on if you attended online for the ones that were like back in June, 00:13:22.081 --> 00:13:30.686 - she said that there was a code of conduct email to you. You just signed that and then just 00:13:30.882 --> 00:13:36.709 - email both me and her. And so that will be like your record that like you attended. And so you'll be 00:13:36.709 --> 00:13:42.594 - good there. I know there's some questions there. So she'll probably have you do that if you attend on 00:13:42.594 --> 00:13:48.709 - the virtual session on the 30th of this month. Is this an email we should have gotten? Because I'm pretty 00:13:48.709 --> 00:13:54.536 - sure I didn't get an email. I didn't either. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know. So are you guys 00:13:54.536 --> 00:14:00.190 - like attended virtually? Sorry. In the junior one? I wasn't able to attend. I attended virtually. 00:14:00.386 --> 00:14:08.443 - Yeah. And I attended virtually, too. OK. Anybody else attend virtually? Yeah. OK. Well, I guess only 00:14:08.443 --> 00:14:16.580 - you three would have received it, because you guys received the everybody else. You just like the new 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:24.796 - slate, I guess, of people. So did you receive like a new email on the 30th? OK. Maybe she only emailed 00:14:24.796 --> 00:14:29.822 - us to tell y'all. I need to do it still. Yeah. Yeah. So. Also. 00:14:30.082 --> 00:14:38.242 - We have to do it every year, right? Once a year. Is there a time? Let's see. I think last time was at 5 p.m.? 00:14:38.242 --> 00:14:46.105 - Dinner time. She said Wednesday, September 30th is our new date for our board of commissioners who didn't 00:14:46.105 --> 00:14:53.522 - sign up for training. The training will be held in city council chambers from 530 to 7 and there'll 00:14:53.522 --> 00:14:55.006 - be a hybrid option. 00:14:57.154 --> 00:15:03.595 - We'll get sent a link or something to sign. Oh, OK, I just read it. It says, please send this link. 00:15:03.595 --> 00:15:10.165 - OK, so it's not me. All right, I'll send it out to you. I'll look for you. And is this just for those 00:15:10.165 --> 00:15:16.929 - that didn't attend? Yes. Or do they all have to re-attend? If you already did it this year, you're good. 00:15:16.929 --> 00:15:23.434 - OK. You're good. So you don't have to do it again. Awesome, because I have a career fair up in Indy. 00:15:23.434 --> 00:15:26.526 - So I'll be traveling back that day. Yeah, yeah. 00:15:26.786 --> 00:15:32.860 - Okay. So you're good. Um, but when it comes to now, those of us who did it virtually on, in June, I 00:15:32.860 --> 00:15:38.934 - don't think we received the like code of conduct email. Yeah. So we didn't get anything. So is that 00:15:38.934 --> 00:15:45.069 - something maybe you could check in for us? Yeah. Okay. Cause yeah, I would have remembered, I think. 00:15:45.069 --> 00:15:50.110 - So we'll get the code of conduct and then the link for the sign up. Yeah. I don't. 00:15:50.274 --> 00:15:55.012 - I'm going to wait until after you guys do your trainings, because she might actually send it out or 00:15:55.012 --> 00:15:59.751 - whatever. But I'll just do it for people who already did their trainings. But yeah, you'll look for 00:15:59.751 --> 00:16:04.726 - the link from me, though. That's only the link is you can sign up for the link, if I remember correctly. 00:16:04.726 --> 00:16:09.465 - And you can choose either the virtual option or the in-person. And if you come in person, they have 00:16:09.465 --> 00:16:14.535 - the code of conduct in person. You sign it, and you're done. It was just those of us who did it virtually. 00:16:14.535 --> 00:16:19.368 - Obviously, we weren't here, so we couldn't sign in. So if you do it in person, then you don't have to 00:16:19.368 --> 00:16:20.126 - worry about it. 00:16:20.514 --> 00:16:28.339 - any extra stuff. Sounds great. And then newsletter sign up and headshots. I just want to make sure that 00:16:28.339 --> 00:16:36.013 - everybody's getting our newsletters, BAC newsletters. These are the real, this is the real BAC or the 00:16:36.013 --> 00:16:43.838 - real city or the fake city. Yes, I do get it now. Okay, cool. And then Larissa, I'll get you signed up. 00:16:44.162 --> 00:16:50.915 - And then also for our end of the year party. So at the end of every year, we have a party at some gallery 00:16:50.915 --> 00:16:57.286 - in town, and we invite all of our grant recipients. And so part of the slideshow, I'm going to have 00:16:57.286 --> 00:17:03.657 - a slideshow. Part of the slideshow, I would like to have all the headshots of all the commissioners 00:17:03.657 --> 00:17:10.474 - so they know who granted them their money. So yeah, so if you guys can send in or just email me a headshot 00:17:10.474 --> 00:17:13.214 - so that way I can put it in the slideshow. 00:17:14.434 --> 00:17:22.361 - Do you have any size restrictions, or do you want it to be like a square, or any parameters? That's 00:17:22.361 --> 00:17:30.368 - a great question. We'll just send you a picture. Yeah. Selfie Rob right now. It's not like the pixel 00:17:30.368 --> 00:17:38.295 - size or anything. Or number of kilobytes or megabytes or terabytes. You look granular. Just a clear 00:17:38.295 --> 00:17:40.990 - picture, you guys. I can do that. 00:17:46.114 --> 00:17:52.058 - Okay, great. Thank you, Christina and Paige. And now the next piece of the agenda is public feedback 00:17:52.058 --> 00:17:58.003 - on Miller Shower's public art piece, and that's back to Christina. Cool. So as you guys noticed when 00:17:58.003 --> 00:18:03.947 - you walked in, there's some colored paper. For a lot of the feedback sessions, I always have colored 00:18:03.947 --> 00:18:09.951 - paper out just for people to jot things down. It's just a helpful tool. You don't have to use it, but 00:18:09.951 --> 00:18:14.718 - I thought it was fun and I like colors, so I just wanted to introduce it to you. 00:18:14.882 --> 00:18:22.522 - So for the Miller Showers, so you guys know the sign that's on, it's like off of 17th and was it 46 00:18:22.522 --> 00:18:30.161 - when you first come into Bloomington, the Bloomington sign. So in that park is Miller Showers Park, 00:18:30.161 --> 00:18:37.877 - there will also be a public art installation going in and around that sign. Part of parks commitment 00:18:37.877 --> 00:18:43.454 - to doing that sign is also just having a public art piece in that space. 00:18:43.874 --> 00:18:51.760 - And so that is going to be the call for that is going to be released this like this fall. And then we're 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:59.571 - going to try to install next year. Before we release that call, we're going to do some public feedback. 00:18:59.571 --> 00:19:07.157 - And so our first stop is the BAC. And so I have just a few questions for you guys. I think someone's 00:19:07.157 --> 00:19:08.734 - in the waiting room. 00:19:17.602 --> 00:19:39.870 - slide of the sign that you guys showed at last night's meeting? 00:20:06.594 --> 00:20:17.319 - So that's the sign, at night, jog your memory. And so this is an aerial view. Right now, the particular 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:24.126 - placement. Can you screen share it for us? Yes, sorry about that. 00:20:35.714 --> 00:20:45.312 - slide me that yellow paper somehow. OK. Can you guys see this? Yeah. Oh, man. OK. So here's the sign 00:20:45.312 --> 00:20:55.100 - that we're talking about. And then this is an aerial view. The placement of it is we're thinking about 00:20:55.100 --> 00:21:04.318 - on top or around or behind something that's close to the sign as a general placement of options. 00:21:05.058 --> 00:21:19.373 - But just to give you a visual, I wanted to go through these questions. So I will switch screens. So 00:21:19.373 --> 00:21:32.542 - the questions that I have, they are in different categories. So the first one is just like, 00:21:33.026 --> 00:21:40.750 - culture and values of Bloomington. I want you guys to think of just some words, I have three to five, 00:21:40.750 --> 00:21:48.550 - but whatever, some words that would describe your experience living in Bloomington. You can shout them 00:21:48.550 --> 00:21:56.350 - out, you can write them down, however, but I will record them. And also, this is a discussion as well. 00:22:11.298 --> 00:22:23.051 - association, things that first come to mind when you think about living here in Bloomington. I have 00:22:23.051 --> 00:22:28.222 - close-knit, open-minded Indiana University. 00:22:45.698 --> 00:23:01.927 - friendly and artistic and I only got two. Nice. That's perfect. Should we blurt them out or are we going 00:23:01.927 --> 00:23:13.982 - around? You can just blurt them out. Okay, fun, growth, openness, change, IU. 00:23:23.906 --> 00:23:32.154 - Is this the idea for what the thing should be? Yeah, so this, everything, all our answers here will 00:23:32.154 --> 00:23:40.402 - go towards a larger collective of just public feedback and then we'll share that with the artist so 00:23:40.402 --> 00:23:48.733 - they'll have a greater understanding of what the residents here want to help influence their design. 00:23:48.733 --> 00:23:53.022 - Hopefully it'll be someone local so they won't need 00:23:53.378 --> 00:24:00.514 - to go through this. Ideally, it will be someone local. So they won't have to guess at what we are. I 00:24:00.514 --> 00:24:07.792 - think Rebecca said community. I don't know if somebody said that. Community? Yeah. That was a new one, 00:24:07.792 --> 00:24:15.140 - I think, by the way. Yeah, thanks, Becca. Did you play that song? Yeah. A huge one. Right when it comes 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:20.510 - to life. Exhilarating. I love this community. Dynamic. I find it very safe. 00:24:20.834 --> 00:24:30.062 - But I'm a guy, so I don't know. But from my perspective, it's very safe. Arts and culturally centric, 00:24:30.062 --> 00:24:39.199 - that's more than one word. And I find this community really engaging, which is why we stay here. Why 00:24:39.199 --> 00:24:49.150 - they blew meringue. They tried to quit, but they came back. I wish I could sit here. Addictive? Is that good? 00:24:49.442 --> 00:25:03.464 - I guess I can share mine. Some of mine are two-word answers as well. I had Midwestern vibes, Indiana 00:25:03.464 --> 00:25:13.598 - University, unique, laid back and accepting. Accepting, I like that one. 00:25:18.978 --> 00:25:38.216 - Rob stole another one of mine, which was engaging and artistic. I have one that's not in the form of 00:25:38.216 --> 00:25:47.550 - a single word. Worldwide culture and small town. 00:25:48.578 --> 00:26:00.903 - coziness or friendliness or something. Mountain biking five minutes from your apartment, which is not 00:26:00.903 --> 00:26:13.106 - one word at all. I mean, just looking at this picture, what, 24 months ago, those buildings, none of 00:26:13.106 --> 00:26:18.302 - that was there at all. So, I mean, it's... 00:26:19.266 --> 00:26:36.015 - Yeah, it's just astounding. None of that was there. That's a nice question. Briefly describe what makes 00:26:36.015 --> 00:26:48.094 - you feel connected to this community. People. Are you? Yeah. Locals. Arts. 00:26:50.146 --> 00:26:58.970 - like locals as in like the people here. I would say the outdoor spaces and long-standing local 00:26:58.970 --> 00:27:08.538 - establishments. Yeah. Yeah. Local business owners for sure. Yeah. Commerce is so important. Yeah. It's 00:27:08.538 --> 00:27:18.198 - an interesting question because we chose to stay here when I retired in 2014. And we feel really vested 00:27:18.198 --> 00:27:19.870 - in the community. 00:27:20.322 --> 00:27:26.820 - what makes me feel this, wanting to be vested in the community. Connected to the community. Connected, 00:27:26.820 --> 00:27:33.192 - I just want to see it thrive. Yeah. I want to give back. You want to give back, yeah. I also think a 00:27:33.192 --> 00:27:39.627 - lot of things like the farmers market, Taste of Bloomington, Food Truck Friday, things like that, and 00:27:39.627 --> 00:27:46.125 - a lot of the festivals, Grand Palloon, kind of, I feel like bring a lot of connection to the community 00:27:46.125 --> 00:27:49.342 - as well. Festive. That's the one more thing. Yeah. 00:27:49.570 --> 00:27:56.709 - I think I meet somebody new every time I go to the farmer's market. Yeah. I run into somebody I haven't 00:27:56.709 --> 00:28:03.643 - seen for 10 years every time, it seems like. It's a real vortex. Yeah, yeah. Still kind of like that 00:28:03.643 --> 00:28:10.851 - small town vibes, even though there's the growth here. It's still happening. So that's because you still 00:28:10.851 --> 00:28:18.059 - meet people. But you're still meeting people and reconnecting with others, like you've seen. But there's 00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:18.814 - definitely 00:28:18.914 --> 00:28:30.931 - an openness, I think, to people in Bloomington that have been here. I also find a great sense 00:28:30.931 --> 00:28:43.203 - of appreciation. Yeah, for differences and more. Yeah, yeah. I think there's a sense of loyalty 00:28:43.203 --> 00:28:47.422 - to Bloomington too, which is why 00:28:48.962 --> 00:28:58.124 - For instance, when there's an outside artist as picked for that mural, people get pretty insulted and 00:28:58.124 --> 00:29:07.195 - bent out of shape about it, because we are loyal to our local artists. And we know how many talented 00:29:07.195 --> 00:29:16.447 - people are here. So we are loyal to Bloomington. Yeah, we definitely don't need to go outside for some 00:29:16.447 --> 00:29:18.782 - of these projects at all. 00:29:19.010 --> 00:29:29.180 - No. I'd say we're all pretty loyal, right, to Bloomington? Yeah. You what? Loyal. Sure. I wrote down 00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:39.652 - public spaces, too. I think that those are a really important part of the community that we build here, 00:29:39.652 --> 00:29:45.694 - and that's where I see the people and I utilize them a lot. 00:29:53.442 --> 00:30:00.624 - The next section is just around the visitors perspective so because this is a gateway, it's an entry, 00:30:00.624 --> 00:30:07.735 - and we get a lot of visitors that come through. Question I have here is what would you like visitors 00:30:07.735 --> 00:30:12.734 - to see or understand about Bloomington as they arrive. So flourishing. 00:30:19.138 --> 00:30:26.763 - week from Chicago, and she's never been here. And she's like, what are we supposed to do? And I was 00:30:26.763 --> 00:30:34.617 - like, just walk around. It should be enough. So I think just that kind of coziness and just open fresh 00:30:34.617 --> 00:30:42.242 - air and people just moving around enjoying being alive, kind of. You'll see it's different. Because 00:30:42.242 --> 00:30:48.190 - in Chicago, everyone's just kind of like, ugh. But then here, it's like, ugh. 00:30:49.474 --> 00:30:55.662 - Yeah, I like going back to the sort of engaging that like, now obviously we have, it's a university 00:30:55.662 --> 00:31:02.344 - town, but like even beyond that, like I think the people here are generally like thoughtful and interesting 00:31:02.344 --> 00:31:08.780 - and like there are like thought provoking and interesting things around and like they might not be like 00:31:08.780 --> 00:31:14.967 - immediately visually apparent, but like if you like, if you are looking for them, you'll find them. 00:31:14.967 --> 00:31:17.566 - So, engaging. And welcoming and safe too. 00:31:18.594 --> 00:31:29.284 - Open. I want people to, I guess, know that we're open and also respect our town while you're here. 00:31:29.284 --> 00:31:40.730 - You know, like, judge yourself a little bit, but I know we can't do that. Welcome people to feel welcome. 00:31:40.730 --> 00:31:43.646 - Regardless of who you are. 00:31:47.234 --> 00:31:52.082 - I don't know, I think it's kind of cool that, I mean, outside of obviously like Indiana University and 00:31:52.082 --> 00:31:57.213 - things like that, I mean, I feel like compared to the rest of the state and surrounding areas and especially 00:31:57.213 --> 00:32:02.108 - the southern part of the state, I feel like Bloomington is a little bit different or weirder than other 00:32:02.108 --> 00:32:06.768 - areas. So I think that's something that would be cool to highlight to people coming in to be like, 00:32:06.768 --> 00:32:10.110 - you know, oh, this place is a little different than say, I don't know. 00:32:10.402 --> 00:32:19.749 - West Lafayette. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere different. West Lafayette's really beautiful, but then you're 00:32:19.749 --> 00:32:29.096 - like, it's kind of, it's dead. It's very sterile there. It's not very lively. But you look at this. 00:32:29.096 --> 00:32:35.358 - These apartments over here are shifting towards a sterility that I 00:32:36.866 --> 00:32:42.904 - Yeah, if we could figure out a way to maybe let the freak flag fly a little bit there in that area, 00:32:42.904 --> 00:32:49.063 - you know, compared to some of those, like, sterile buildings, I think that could be cool. Speaking of 00:32:49.063 --> 00:32:55.162 - flags, it's a very good idea, actually, for this. We could get flags. A new flag? No, I mean, flags, 00:32:55.162 --> 00:33:01.260 - you know, like, a rainbow color, like, different colors. Yeah, like really small flags that, instead 00:33:01.260 --> 00:33:04.702 - of putting some sculpture thing stuck there or whatever, 00:33:05.794 --> 00:33:12.783 - I don't know. I mean, I actually don't think that that is back. I think it's OK. It needs work around 00:33:12.783 --> 00:33:19.703 - it. But what about flags? Of course, then somebody would have to put a tag on it. Sure. Or something 00:33:19.703 --> 00:33:26.965 - that accomplishes what flags do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know there's also been some discussion about, should 00:33:26.965 --> 00:33:33.406 - it go behind or in front? But if it's behind but elevated, then you could solve that problem. 00:33:33.538 --> 00:33:42.530 - Right. So the challenge is I think money and height. Yeah. Yeah. Money, height. But a flagpole. Who 00:33:42.530 --> 00:33:51.791 - deals with it? Last night we were talking about instead of maybe one big piece or like the possibility 00:33:51.791 --> 00:34:01.502 - of like a gradual, you know, something coming out of the front and the back, maybe several pieces, smaller, 00:34:04.098 --> 00:34:11.424 - Shards. Shards, yeah, exactly. Shards. Just that, like, car height of an eyeball, you know? Like, what 00:34:11.424 --> 00:34:18.608 - are you going to see right there? Like, that height. Or a giant flagpole, and then different artists 00:34:18.608 --> 00:34:25.863 - kind of, like, weld something into it, like maybe somebody's bike, somebody's ceramic piece goes into 00:34:25.863 --> 00:34:30.558 - it. Like a freaky flagpole? A freaky flagpole. Yeah, there we go. 00:34:30.754 --> 00:34:37.021 - I'm actually gonna ask a lot of, yeah, write that down, because I'm actually gonna ask like an overall 00:34:37.021 --> 00:34:43.226 - question that'll encompass all those things that you guys just said. I think we'll just kind of go to 00:34:43.226 --> 00:34:49.432 - the next question, which is the next category, which is like the feel of the piece. So if you have to 00:34:49.432 --> 00:34:55.577 - sum up the feel, I feel like a lot of these things that you guys have kind of touched on, but if you 00:34:55.577 --> 00:34:57.950 - wanted to add anything you could hear, 00:34:58.082 --> 00:35:04.887 - of just summing up the feeling or mood that you hope this artwork projects in just a few words, what 00:35:04.887 --> 00:35:11.827 - would that be? So I'm thinking like playful or calm, wonder. I mean, you guys talked about like weird, 00:35:11.827 --> 00:35:19.037 - kooky, freaky. Yeah, like these words. Welcoming and trying to tone down the sterility of what's happening 00:35:19.037 --> 00:35:25.977 - right there. It's got somewhat of a corporate vibe, which really isn't Wornington at all. I don't even 00:35:25.977 --> 00:35:27.998 - know if it's a playful thing. 00:35:28.674 --> 00:35:37.207 - Colorful, there's movement, I think that would be really nice. Go back to dynamic and flourishing. Flourish, 00:35:37.207 --> 00:35:44.957 - like a gesture. Growing. And I love your image, which is actually creating a totem. Yeah, exactly. 00:35:44.957 --> 00:35:50.046 - A totem, that's what I think. That would be so cool. Oh my gosh. 00:35:50.594 --> 00:35:55.994 - I think there's a lot of room to work with, too. I don't think you really necessarily want to take away 00:35:55.994 --> 00:36:01.186 - from the Bloomington sign, you know, because that looks nice, but I feel like you could even almost 00:36:01.186 --> 00:36:06.483 - do something almost interactive behind it as you walk through it. I think a car probably gets five or 00:36:06.483 --> 00:36:11.779 - ten seconds max. Right, but I'm saying if people were to walk through the sign there on the sidewalk, 00:36:11.779 --> 00:36:17.023 - it would be cool, but maybe there was something interactive behind it as you go into Miller Shower's 00:36:17.023 --> 00:36:17.854 - Park, you know. 00:36:21.730 --> 00:36:30.900 - Oh, you're right. Yeah, most people probably drive by it as they come in. I imagine some of you might 00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:39.980 - have seen some of the coverage of this blue stick figure outside of the Kennedy Center that was just 00:36:39.980 --> 00:36:49.150 - removed. I don't know. For some reason, I'm picturing that guy doing this over this sign. But I don't 00:36:49.150 --> 00:36:51.038 - know. OK. I like it. 00:36:51.138 --> 00:36:59.730 - Throw in my two cents real quick. Okay, so we're talking about that huge Robinson sign that's between 00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:08.153 - foliage and walnut, right? Okay, so I'm picturing in my head, I'm listening to all of y'all and I'm 00:37:08.153 --> 00:37:16.745 - picturing in my head, somebody mentioned flags. I really like that because I feel like a sculpture or 00:37:16.745 --> 00:37:20.030 - some other form of art per se is gonna 00:37:20.770 --> 00:37:28.615 - just kind of clash with the Bloomington sign. So I really like the flag, maybe some on the left, some 00:37:28.615 --> 00:37:36.614 - on the right, that talk about the playfulness, the colorfulness of Bloomington. Like when I first moved 00:37:36.614 --> 00:37:44.305 - here, I'm thinking of Bloomington like blooming flowers, colorful pinks and purples and yellows and 00:37:44.305 --> 00:37:49.150 - oranges, because the town is very lively. So I'm thinking that 00:37:49.858 --> 00:37:57.757 - I really like the flag idea. Maybe we can find like a art seamstress or somebody who can, you know, 00:37:57.757 --> 00:38:05.655 - maybe sew some flags up front, I don't know, something. But I really do like the flags because it's 00:38:05.655 --> 00:38:13.396 - some lights, it has movement, and I feel like it won't overwhelm the sign that's out there. Okay. 00:38:13.396 --> 00:38:18.846 - Thank you. That was great. I like the word lively that Larissa said. 00:38:20.066 --> 00:38:27.447 - And are we looking for something that's like a permanent installation? Yes. OK. And then are we looking 00:38:27.447 --> 00:38:34.687 - to add to the sign at all, or is this more just kind of utilizing the space in and around it? I think 00:38:34.687 --> 00:38:41.997 - this is it, right? The options are on top, like surrounding on the sides, or like behind. But it would 00:38:41.997 --> 00:38:49.662 - be like close up, not like far in that green space behind, but like more. So to where it would just kind of 00:38:50.146 --> 00:38:56.136 - Hardify the sign. I also think it'd be kind of cool, like, to Austin's point, where he was kind of bringing 00:38:56.136 --> 00:39:01.848 - up, like, bikes, you know, and we have little five and things like that. I think there could be, like, 00:39:01.848 --> 00:39:07.449 - some kind of cool, like, bike structure you could do on the top to accentuate that with, like, yeah, 00:39:07.449 --> 00:39:13.161 - an ideal flags or something behind it as well. But yeah, OK. I hope there's something distinctive. Not 00:39:13.161 --> 00:39:16.766 - trying to solve the problem, so it's a sign. Right. Distinctive. 00:39:21.730 --> 00:39:31.226 - And I also took note, they have this document that they shared maybe on Tuesday or last week where a 00:39:31.226 --> 00:39:40.627 - logo is being proposed. Well, I actually read the 17 pages of the document. And in there, there are 00:39:40.627 --> 00:39:46.174 - three quite varied color palettes that are really dynamic. 00:39:47.426 --> 00:39:56.217 - And I'm also noting the place making that's going on behind here. John Racing has come up with a color 00:39:56.217 --> 00:40:04.838 - palette for it, which are all just exciting and dynamic. And if the city is moving in a direction of 00:40:04.838 --> 00:40:13.374 - there might be a palette of colors associated with Bloomington, then maybe this is a place to begin 00:40:13.374 --> 00:40:14.654 - expressing it. 00:40:16.706 --> 00:40:22.661 - I also think to that point, too, like a cool light installation or something at night could be really 00:40:22.661 --> 00:40:28.441 - cool right there as well, you know? And then she's kind of in that field, too, and you're talking, 00:40:28.441 --> 00:40:34.337 - I was like, you know what? That could be cool. It could be. That, yeah. People freaked out last time 00:40:34.337 --> 00:40:40.234 - they tried to put a big light installation out. Oh, really? Not a bus or a door yet. Yeah, yeah. No, 00:40:40.234 --> 00:40:43.678 - they didn't. It would've been cool. There's a cinema sign. 00:40:43.778 --> 00:40:51.157 - It doesn't even have to be a real big one. You know what I mean? It's got a little flavor to it, 00:40:51.157 --> 00:40:58.840 - you know? OK. Cool. I don't know if this one repeats it or I should. So if this artwork could speak, 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:06.599 - what would it say? I don't know if that kind of repeats what we were already saying, if you guys have 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:13.598 - anything additional to add. Hi, welcome. How are you trying? I think it could also say that 00:41:13.954 --> 00:41:23.609 - We're proud of our city. That's important. And we are proud of our city outside of the university. Yeah, 00:41:23.609 --> 00:41:32.804 - the city. The city is a red and white, or cream and cream. That's right. Just like, whoa, because a 00:41:32.804 --> 00:41:41.999 - lot of times when you're driving from up north and you make that drive and then you're like, you're 00:41:41.999 --> 00:41:43.102 - just going, 00:41:43.330 --> 00:41:48.988 - And you're like, oh, I can't wait to get back into town. And then you see McDonald's. And you're like, 00:41:48.988 --> 00:41:54.701 - oh, thank God. And then you cross the highway. But Bloomington's the first thing you see. But then that 00:41:54.701 --> 00:42:00.359 - would be the next thing you see. And if you were to come here for the first time, you'd go like, whoa. 00:42:00.359 --> 00:42:06.018 - Because directly to the left is what used to be Denny's. And then you got all that stuff. So as you're 00:42:06.018 --> 00:42:11.786 - going through that street, it's not particularly inspiring. Because there's that strip mall to the right 00:42:11.786 --> 00:42:13.214 - that no one ever goes to. 00:42:13.314 --> 00:42:18.876 - Close down old restaurants. Mm-hmm. So it's like if you can have that first thing just kind of pop out 00:42:18.876 --> 00:42:24.331 - at you and go like Oh, what am I getting into when I get over the hill? Right college. I'm like take 00:42:24.331 --> 00:42:29.947 - your eye this way. Yeah You just get something in the old steak and shake would be one better off Yeah, 00:42:29.947 --> 00:42:35.348 - I mean as far as like speaking is it like at all anything where maybe we would want to do something 00:42:35.348 --> 00:42:39.614 - like mention some of like maybe the history of Bloomington whether that's like 00:42:40.034 --> 00:42:45.415 - I don't know, some sort of Hoagy Carmichael thing or something. You know what I mean? I think there's 00:42:45.415 --> 00:42:51.166 - other ideas that are really cool, rootsy aspects of Bloomington that maybe people don't think of, especially 00:42:51.166 --> 00:42:56.548 - when they're visiting as well. I do like that giant Kurt Von again that comes out every now and then. 00:42:56.548 --> 00:43:01.982 - Yeah. If we can do maybe like a giant melon camp. We had an indie game like Reggie Miller mural, which 00:43:01.982 --> 00:43:07.416 - is super cool, things like that. Enough of that stuff. I know you're joking. Sorry. Why don't you just 00:43:07.416 --> 00:43:09.790 - eat it? IU already has the Hoagy Carmichael. 00:43:10.274 --> 00:43:16.100 - Oh, do they? They've got it all. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. 00:43:16.100 --> 00:43:22.092 - And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. 00:43:22.092 --> 00:43:28.084 - And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. 00:43:28.084 --> 00:43:34.076 - And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. 00:43:34.076 --> 00:43:39.070 - And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. And the Vonnegut. 00:43:39.234 --> 00:43:45.082 - And then the last question, I just want to make sure I actually have, you guys have been sending a lot 00:43:45.082 --> 00:43:50.930 - of good ideas. It was just overall content and themes that you would like to see inviting in the work. 00:43:50.930 --> 00:43:56.721 - So I have the totem pole, freaky totem pole, the flags, also incorporating if possibly the palette of 00:43:56.721 --> 00:44:02.512 - Bloomington colors. This could be an opportunity here. Are there any other like themes, concepts that 00:44:02.512 --> 00:44:08.190 - kind of come to mind that I missed or that you guys want to express? Are we afraid of rainbows now? 00:44:09.762 --> 00:44:20.582 - I mean, is it to yesterday? What do you mean? Like, I love them. But then it kind of like centers towards 00:44:20.582 --> 00:44:31.199 - just like one specific thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like right when you come into town, it's like 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.486 - rainbow. I'm like, I get it. Too obvious. 00:44:36.450 --> 00:44:44.351 - Yeah, it's like, if anything, that would be included in the giant freaky pole. That's right. Right. 00:44:44.351 --> 00:44:52.252 - OK. You shouldn't have to wonder. The total pole with the flag on top. Let's put it all together as 00:44:52.252 --> 00:45:00.391 - a thing. That's kind of Bloomington. I prefer something abstract, something that captures all of these 00:45:00.391 --> 00:45:02.366 - emotions and isn't going 00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:10.370 - a peg one thing, or one person, or one part of the culture. You know, like if you stick a bicycle up 00:45:10.370 --> 00:45:17.090 - there, then that's sort of peg part of our culture. You put a lotus up there, that's another part of 00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:24.143 - the culture. Is there something fun, abstract, cheerful, welcoming? You know, we've got a small sculpture 00:45:24.143 --> 00:45:30.863 - in front of our house we picked up at 4th Street three years ago, and it's a simple metal thing, and 00:45:30.863 --> 00:45:32.926 - it's just called The Optimist. 00:45:33.666 --> 00:45:42.332 - And Marie named it before the artist told us what it was called. And it's just a simple, strong, powerful 00:45:42.332 --> 00:45:50.590 - shape that makes you smile. So I'm not saying we want an optimist up there, though I like that word, 00:45:50.590 --> 00:45:59.174 - but not literal. I don't think we want the ex-mayor or something standing up there. Well, maybe if we're 00:45:59.174 --> 00:46:02.526 - talking about the diversity of the town, 00:46:02.754 --> 00:46:17.357 - and all the different aspects of it, like flags or not to go hammer into hard what I was saying before, 00:46:17.357 --> 00:46:32.382 - but many things around it that could represent everything we're talking about. With five times the budget. 00:46:33.314 --> 00:46:47.401 - Oh, yeah. True. Yeah. All right. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Right, go ahead. So the virtual console 00:46:47.401 --> 00:47:02.046 - or visual concept or thing that I was thinking, and I know this might be a far-reached, but there's that 00:47:02.690 --> 00:47:11.356 - walk bridge that goes across 46, that rusty old looking walk bridge that just looks so sad. And when 00:47:11.356 --> 00:47:20.108 - I go to other towns, they have such beautiful bridges that people can walk over. They're so colorful. 00:47:20.108 --> 00:47:29.118 - So I'm thinking, is there a way to incorporate that bridge that when people are coming into Bloomington, 00:47:29.858 --> 00:47:38.124 - they can get welcomed by the bridge first and then when they see the Bloomington sign, it's like maybe 00:47:38.124 --> 00:47:46.230 - a continuation of the bridge, someway, somehow. I don't know, I just want to see something done with 00:47:46.230 --> 00:47:54.416 - that wall bridge. Same, I love that idea. This project is parks and rec money, is that right? Yes. So 00:47:54.416 --> 00:47:58.750 - like the sites for the bridge, who, where would that, 00:47:58.946 --> 00:48:08.400 - money come from. Depends on the bridge. Yeah. The one way on. Arlington Elementary there. Yeah, by Arlington 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:17.248 - Elementary School, it's. I know that Tim has talked about a bridge going over the beeline or a couple 00:48:17.248 --> 00:48:26.095 - of different bridges. It would be coming into town from the west. Northwest, yeah. That one. It's the 00:48:26.095 --> 00:48:28.350 - biggest one that we have. 00:48:28.610 --> 00:48:35.295 - It's the one that's been seen all around it. What is that, Corley Pike? Let's certainly ask Tim and 00:48:35.295 --> 00:48:42.448 - find out, because I think Bridges is usually federal, but it depends on the bridge, so we can investigate. 00:48:42.448 --> 00:48:49.133 - Whether it's state or federal. And it might be one that he was already thinking about. It's hard to 00:48:49.133 --> 00:48:53.278 - tell. I secretly love that way it is. You love the way it is? 00:48:53.378 --> 00:49:00.924 - I went to Arlington as a kid, so I remember walking across the line, so it's more nostalgic for me than 00:49:00.924 --> 00:49:07.962 - it is for me. It is a little sad. So don't touch my bridge. My husband would say the same thing. 00:49:07.962 --> 00:49:15.797 - He'd be like, leave it. But it is a little sad. All right, are there any other? That was the last question, 00:49:15.797 --> 00:49:23.198 - so I don't know if there are any other closing thoughts or speak now for everyone. I got another one. 00:49:23.298 --> 00:49:32.864 - I find the sign cold, dispassionate, very administrative. It looks like an office park. A tombstone 00:49:32.864 --> 00:49:43.005 - in the right way of saying it, like there's a tombstone we call them in front of the opera that announces 00:49:43.005 --> 00:49:51.806 - what's coming up, right? Whatever is the opposite of those words would be a theme for that. 00:49:53.154 --> 00:50:05.372 - Yeah. So none of us were on the board when this was picked. But when it was implemented, we were. And 00:50:05.372 --> 00:50:17.590 - Betsy and I were just talking about, we didn't, I don't know who picked out that bond. I think it was 00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:22.142 - REA. I think they. Who picked it out? 00:50:22.722 --> 00:50:29.972 - the landscape architect who designed the sign. Yeah, they were hired to do this and they came up with 00:50:29.972 --> 00:50:37.150 - their font. Originally they had all the big rocks, right? They looked like Bedford and now they came 00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:44.258 - the rocks down and instead of going this way they went that way. And that was part of the proposal? 00:50:44.258 --> 00:50:51.294 - It was all done? It was up to parks. Okay. I would just hate, the point I'm trying to make is that 00:50:52.194 --> 00:50:59.802 - I hope we don't conceptualize something really cool and have something like that happen. You know what 00:50:59.802 --> 00:51:07.854 - I'm saying? Like the kind of metal or whatever that... I think the key distinction there is we're discussing 00:51:07.854 --> 00:51:15.388 - a public art piece. That is not a public art piece. That's a sign. No, that's just a sign. Presumably 00:51:15.388 --> 00:51:22.110 - we shouldn't. I think the focus is artifying the sign in some way. Yeah. I don't get that. 00:51:22.818 --> 00:51:30.857 - I don't like putting more graphics on top of the artify sign. I don't think you can artify it. I think 00:51:30.857 --> 00:51:38.662 - it has to be separate. The sign is a sign. I guess when I heard artify, I guess I interpreted it as 00:51:38.662 --> 00:51:46.467 - just putting art near or around by the sign, like whatever the installation is. It's just, you know 00:51:46.467 --> 00:51:51.774 - what I mean, not necessarily... Artify the region, artify the area. 00:51:52.066 --> 00:51:57.836 - It would be like that language. Could it be a fountain that shoots really, really high? No. Those are 00:51:57.836 --> 00:52:03.493 - tough. I mean, parks, we talked about that with parks. There's all the water things that people say 00:52:03.493 --> 00:52:09.319 - no to nowadays. It's like engineering and plumbing and all that. And winter and freezing and not doing 00:52:09.319 --> 00:52:15.089 - anything. I forgot about those other seasons. But last night, then, it was conversation. Water's fun, 00:52:15.089 --> 00:52:20.350 - though. Yeah, right. But that's something that's fluid or moving. Yeah. It would be awesome. 00:52:20.898 --> 00:52:30.540 - Well, there was some conversation last night about using the sign as the base of another piece of art 00:52:30.540 --> 00:52:40.088 - that would go on top of it. You know, if we were like the swampy city, I could sort of see in a very 00:52:40.088 --> 00:52:45.854 - tame place, a whole flight of cranes or something, you know, 00:52:46.690 --> 00:52:51.848 - that would be connected to the sign and do something, but we're not that city, you know? Yeah, we'd 00:52:51.848 --> 00:52:57.005 - be more like construction cranes all around it, permanently. I think it's like, the sign takes away 00:52:57.005 --> 00:53:02.318 - from a really awesome sculpture that's shortly there behind it, that I think has, you know, I remember 00:53:02.318 --> 00:53:07.527 - as a kid going in and always just being like, that's such a cool sculpture to like drive by, and now 00:53:07.527 --> 00:53:12.737 - it's like, kind of ticked off. Yeah, you can't even know the city anymore. Can we put that sculpture 00:53:12.737 --> 00:53:15.006 - in front of the sign? You know what I mean? 00:53:16.546 --> 00:53:23.729 - Yeah, I wish that were more noticeable now. It is really beautiful. Well, thank you, Kristen. Thank 00:53:23.729 --> 00:53:31.056 - you guys for your thoughts and your input. Organizing your exercise for us. Yeah. Also, as far as the 00:53:31.056 --> 00:53:38.454 - paper, sometimes I collect them if you don't want them. And I like to just to have those ideas in that 00:53:38.454 --> 00:53:45.278 - record. But if you wrote something on there that you actually need, it's OK for me to keep it. 00:53:45.474 --> 00:53:59.831 - I could have those, that'd be great. I love the pictures. Okay, just so we only have 20 minutes left 00:53:59.831 --> 00:54:15.326 - before we want to end the meeting. So let's move on to the next thing on the agenda. And so that's to Becca. 00:54:15.618 --> 00:54:23.778 - for Public Arts Subcommittee. So I'll try to be quick here. So we talked last time in our committee 00:54:23.778 --> 00:54:32.183 - meeting. So these are some of the topics that we just, topics that we covered and updates I've covered 00:54:32.183 --> 00:54:40.425 - last night. The Uptown Plaza Mural through the DBI, the Downtown Bloomington Initiative. There was a 00:54:40.425 --> 00:54:43.934 - small selection panel and then we reviewed 00:54:44.354 --> 00:54:55.254 - approximately about 38 submissions and picked one. So it was titled A Day in Town, I believe. And they 00:54:55.254 --> 00:55:05.942 - were Minneapolis-based artists, unfortunately, so you're not local. Two artists, I believe they're a 00:55:05.942 --> 00:55:14.302 - mural company called Boring House, B-O-R-I-N-G, Boring House. Hilarious. Yeah. 00:55:14.498 --> 00:55:23.197 - The project has a budget of $25,000, so yeah. We also just kind of discussed, you know, lacks the commission 00:55:23.197 --> 00:55:31.417 - as a whole, our public art subcommittee. We kind of discussed lack of involvement from the public arts 00:55:31.417 --> 00:55:39.397 - commission there in this process, but you know, we'll kind of discuss moving forward how maybe like 00:55:39.397 --> 00:55:42.430 - in future involvement between outside 00:55:42.882 --> 00:55:50.412 - you know, selection committees, how maybe public art could be involved more with those. So it was kind 00:55:50.412 --> 00:55:58.014 - of a long conversation, but we settled on it and it's kind of water under the bridge now at this point. 00:55:58.014 --> 00:56:05.398 - Traffic box updates. Four out of the five are underway, so they're in progress. Fifth one has a call 00:56:05.398 --> 00:56:07.006 - for artists and those 00:56:07.138 --> 00:56:14.182 - applications closed this Sunday, so we elected, formally elected Gretchen to review those, so all the 00:56:14.182 --> 00:56:21.433 - applications will be sent to her once the applications are closed, and she'll go through those for about 00:56:21.433 --> 00:56:28.753 - a week between, I believe, next week, like the 16th through the 23rd, she'll have a week to review those, 00:56:28.753 --> 00:56:36.350 - and then she'll get her comments and everything back, I believe, to Christina, I think, is how that might go. 00:56:36.546 --> 00:56:44.848 - Um, can I send them to everybody on the public arts commission too? So everybody kind of has a say. 00:56:44.848 --> 00:56:53.481 - So what doesn't happen with this mural happen again? Like one or is this just not that important? Cause 00:56:53.481 --> 00:57:02.198 - it's just a little traffic box and not like a massive mural. Right. Christina, how's that process going? 00:57:02.198 --> 00:57:04.190 - Okay. Um, yeah, I mean, 00:57:05.282 --> 00:57:10.880 - Last year, when we did the traffic box around, it was like a group of them. It was eight traffic boxes 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:16.424 - at once. And honestly, the reason we are doing this traffic box is because the original artist wasn't 00:57:16.424 --> 00:57:21.859 - able to do it. So we just kind of had to hurry up and get somebody, in a sense. So we're already on 00:57:21.859 --> 00:57:27.511 - this, what do you call it, expedited timeline. And so since it's just one traffic box, I think it would 00:57:27.511 --> 00:57:33.598 - just be best if we just had that one representative. And I think that would be more than enough representation. 00:57:36.514 --> 00:57:45.252 - So as a group, we formally elected Gretchen. She'll review those, and she'll report back after the review 00:57:45.252 --> 00:57:53.494 - period on who she selected for those. That traffic box is going at Kirkwood and Rogers, so for that 00:57:53.494 --> 00:58:02.067 - one. And then World Foods Market mural. Basically, the only update there, it still remains in the twice 00:58:02.067 --> 00:58:05.694 - design phase. They've had several sketches. 00:58:06.242 --> 00:58:14.835 - sort of under consideration. And then we just kind of continued this conversation, the previous conversation 00:58:14.835 --> 00:58:22.954 - with Village Showers, talked about this, the feedback that Christina proposed, so we can bring it here 00:58:22.954 --> 00:58:31.153 - for this conversation here for the bigger meeting. So for the grocery store one, are the owners picking 00:58:31.153 --> 00:58:35.646 - the artists for that, or what's happening with that one? 00:58:36.130 --> 00:58:44.815 - for World Foods? I can take that. So the artist has already chosen for that one. And so that's why they're 00:58:44.815 --> 00:58:52.932 - in the design phase now. How does that happen? I'm just curious. First of all, who's paying for it? 00:58:52.932 --> 00:59:01.293 - And then who pays the artist? How does that work? I understand about the building owner. Yeah, so I'll 00:59:01.293 --> 00:59:04.702 - just real quick, big old project. So DBI. 00:59:04.962 --> 00:59:11.605 - has their initiative to put public art downtown. And that stands for? Downtown Bloomington, Inc. So 00:59:11.605 --> 00:59:18.381 - they are running this. They are spearheading it. And they're funded by? ARPA dollars. So that's where 00:59:18.381 --> 00:59:25.090 - this is all coming from, is ARPA dollars. Grant money. Grant money. OK. And so there are some murals 00:59:25.090 --> 00:59:31.866 - as part of this, and then there's traffic boxes. On the traffic boxes, the city is more of a partner, 00:59:31.866 --> 00:59:32.862 - so I'm kind of 00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:40.480 - project managing the traffic boxes, but the other two installations, that's DBI spearheading, okay? 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:48.019 - And so a lot of this came about is just that DBI was looking or asking businesses who were interested 00:59:48.019 --> 00:59:55.853 - in putting murals on their building. And so we had one originally, what do you call it? Express interest, 00:59:55.853 --> 01:00:02.430 - that was at the top of the year or actually the end of last year, but then they ended up 01:00:02.882 --> 01:00:09.712 - backing out and so we already had the artists and everything and so when they backed out the artist 01:00:09.712 --> 01:00:16.679 - had a design so we just kind of moved her over because somebody else ended up expressing interest and 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:23.509 - so that's kind of we just ended up moving that artist to that new building which is World Foods. So 01:00:23.509 --> 01:00:30.339 - that's kind of how it was so in that process yeah that's just kind of how it was and I just kind of 01:00:30.339 --> 01:00:32.798 - want to say that just you know like 01:00:32.962 --> 01:00:39.959 - Where is the city involved and where the city is not involved? And that is also very big on why things 01:00:39.959 --> 01:00:46.752 - are structured the way it is. For example, with Uptown Mural, we did not do a press release. We did 01:00:46.752 --> 01:00:53.613 - not host the call on our website because it was DVI. So a lot of this stuff is like, we want to make 01:00:53.613 --> 01:00:59.998 - sure that the city is involved as far as reviewing applications, but it's really ran by them. 01:01:00.226 --> 01:01:09.146 - Can I just ask a question? So the uptown mural, the city isn't involved? We're helping facilitate that 01:01:09.146 --> 01:01:18.152 - process because... But the city picked the... I'm confused. We didn't pick it. I was just on the panel. 01:01:18.152 --> 01:01:27.678 - Christina and I were just on part of the panel, but there were several other people. So like this part of the 01:01:28.002 --> 01:01:40.854 - panel also was the CFC member that the mural was going to go on. So we were all just kind of like hand-picked 01:01:40.854 --> 01:01:53.822 - and selected for the panel. By DVI. Yes. It seems to me that our role from now on would be to encourage DVI to 01:01:54.498 --> 01:02:01.816 - Think about this differently, maybe. I know they're not art people, right? I mean, these are business 01:02:01.816 --> 01:02:08.345 - owners. You're a business owner, but you're an art person. Anyway, it seems to be, I mean, 01:02:08.345 --> 01:02:15.519 - it might be hard. Maybe we can't do it. But encourage them to think about things differently. Maybe 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:22.622 - not just go for something that's the easiest choice. I'm not saying you guys did. I'm just saying. 01:02:23.010 --> 01:02:30.594 - You know, I think that's our role, don't you think? Because we're supposed to be the ones that are advocating 01:02:30.594 --> 01:02:37.558 - for the best art in this town. And we'll get the flag. Exactly. We will get the flag, because we are 01:02:37.558 --> 01:02:44.798 - the Arts Commission. So maybe we should have a bigger conversation at a future committee to have a drill 01:02:44.798 --> 01:02:51.486 - down a little bit more on this. I did, was before we even met yesterday, I mean, I was reviewing 01:02:52.386 --> 01:02:59.665 - with a public art master plan, and it delineates the role of the BAC and its full involvement in percent 01:02:59.665 --> 01:03:06.667 - for art, public art commissions. And so then the BAC is fully involved. When an external entity asks 01:03:06.667 --> 01:03:13.599 - the city for assistance, then we serve as a resource, but it doesn't mean that therefore the public 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:21.502 - art commission is involved in the selection process. So we serve as a resource for that. So, and that's what was, 01:03:21.826 --> 01:03:28.528 - come up with whomever was the predecessor, which goes through 2027. It doesn't mean that we can't change 01:03:28.528 --> 01:03:34.975 - it, but that's the protocol that's really been followed. So that's where kind of that's coming from. 01:03:34.975 --> 01:03:41.486 - And we're both learning along this journey, and we're not aware that if this, then this, meaning that 01:03:41.486 --> 01:03:47.614 - if there's a piece of public art, therefore, they think it's a public arts commission decision. 01:03:48.322 --> 01:03:54.656 - The press releases are from DBI. It's a DBI project. There are certainly a number of pieces of public 01:03:54.656 --> 01:04:00.866 - art that goes up in this community. It has nothing to do with any of us. It's privately owned. It's 01:04:00.866 --> 01:04:07.075 - protected by free speech. It occasionally will be called in. Christina just received a call from an 01:04:07.075 --> 01:04:13.533 - attorney's office who wants a mural. So that's sort of the protocol that we've been following. But like 01:04:13.533 --> 01:04:17.694 - I said, we can have bigger conversations about that, and happy to. 01:04:17.890 --> 01:04:25.413 - And the input that you provide is really valuable and shared that concern with the building owner. They 01:04:25.413 --> 01:04:32.863 - can make their choice. There was a second like a runner up that they could consider, you know, because 01:04:32.863 --> 01:04:40.820 - if there's community concern that's expressed already, well, then they should be aware of it. It's ultimately 01:04:40.820 --> 01:04:44.798 - their decision, though. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. 01:04:45.602 --> 01:04:52.963 - That's OK. Let's have a bigger conversation about it. Because it's not a decision we can make tonight. 01:04:52.963 --> 01:05:00.109 - I think it requires a more deeper conversation from a variety of vantage point. But I understand. I 01:05:00.109 --> 01:05:07.469 - hear your concern loud and clear. That's how you end up with that thing at People's Park. Exactly. But 01:05:07.469 --> 01:05:11.614 - they're protected. It's free speech. It's their building. 01:05:12.226 --> 01:05:18.910 - But it's public facing. It's facing. It doesn't. It's still free speech. It's still free speech. It's 01:05:18.910 --> 01:05:25.659 - privately owned. It's owned by the building. It's building owner. It's it's their funding period. It's 01:05:25.659 --> 01:05:32.343 - free speech. I thought it was a grant. I mean, if you're talking about whatever the football mural or 01:05:32.343 --> 01:05:39.158 - something. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Not that I'm aware of my understanding. But this new one, the Uptown 01:05:39.158 --> 01:05:40.862 - Plaza one is grant money. 01:05:41.570 --> 01:05:47.801 - It was ARPA funding. It's not percent for ARPA funding. It was just an agreement that was before us 01:05:47.801 --> 01:05:54.095 - that was made with DBI. Here's funding to execute projects, period. This is your role. Execute these 01:05:54.095 --> 01:06:00.451 - projects. The city has been more involved because we wanted to make sure the funding got out the door 01:06:00.451 --> 01:06:06.807 - instead of getting returned. So that's really where the city got more involved than it normally would 01:06:06.807 --> 01:06:11.294 - be, period. Is there any possibility we could all meet, could DBI meet? 01:06:11.714 --> 01:06:18.458 - with all of us as the Arts Commission? No. At this time, we've got to move forward with the process. 01:06:18.458 --> 01:06:25.269 - We've got to notify the artists. Well, not necessarily just this mural. It's not DBI's fault, though. 01:06:25.269 --> 01:06:31.946 - I mean, this is the guidance that we've been working with them, from our baseline of understanding, 01:06:31.946 --> 01:06:39.358 - guided by these documents. And we can't move back on these decisions. And we can't blame DBI. No, we wouldn't. 01:06:39.586 --> 01:06:47.671 - We wouldn't expect anybody to go back on any decisions. I think that would be impossible. But I do think 01:06:47.671 --> 01:06:55.679 - we should look at the future. Exactly. I think it's incremental. For sure. Yes. The fact that the parks 01:06:55.679 --> 01:07:02.686 - now are embracing us for a piece of work which would have normally just been parks domain. 01:07:02.850 --> 01:07:10.624 - And that was because of a big controversy over the Bedford sign, the cinema sign. So now we're involved 01:07:10.624 --> 01:07:18.248 - with them. And so we need to prove our worth. But then I think that's one step forward. We cracked an 01:07:18.248 --> 01:07:25.723 - egg. And so now there's other steps forward. But it's not going to take place overnight. But I hope 01:07:25.723 --> 01:07:28.862 - we can keep driving it a little bit more. 01:07:29.218 --> 01:07:35.090 - I will say too, definitely to move this meeting forward because it's almost 6.30. I think a lot of the 01:07:35.090 --> 01:07:40.791 - comments have been helpful. I know we've had people come in and give presentations. I don't know if 01:07:40.791 --> 01:07:46.492 - potentially a DBI representative can come and present about their work just so that we understand a 01:07:46.492 --> 01:07:52.478 - bit better. I don't know if that's a thing, but maybe that could be a start to understanding their work. 01:07:52.674 --> 01:07:58.428 - The concern that I'm hearing is not necessarily DBI. DBI was like the representative of an issue that 01:07:58.428 --> 01:08:04.182 - exists in terms of role delineation. And I think that's where the conversation really needs to go. Is 01:08:04.182 --> 01:08:10.048 - that a fair point? Changing the- Absolutely. Whatever these are. And we can change them. I mean, I just 01:08:10.048 --> 01:08:15.858 - want policies and protocols. I've been saying that since day one. And you're good at that. So we don't 01:08:15.858 --> 01:08:20.766 - have to be in these kind of conversations. And I'm happy to follow whatever we create. 01:08:21.314 --> 01:08:28.331 - I just need to know what we need to do, period. And that's why I'm saying it's dedicated conversation 01:08:28.331 --> 01:08:35.211 - to it. But I would love if we have time and you'd be willing to. Because I do have one thing that I 01:08:35.211 --> 01:08:42.160 - wanted to bring up. And Christina, if you could just real quick, because I know Gerard needs to talk 01:08:42.160 --> 01:08:49.177 - too. Because I want to give you guys a heads up about a maintenance issue. And it is a complaint that 01:08:49.177 --> 01:08:50.622 - we received recently 01:08:50.946 --> 01:09:00.874 - about traffic calming murals. And they were painted in October of 2024. It is now less than two years 01:09:00.874 --> 01:09:10.608 - later. To be clear, it's not the driver's fault. They're actually in the lane. They're in the lane. 01:09:10.608 --> 01:09:20.926 - So the key thing, it's not easy to dispose of artwork. We've got artist rights and things of that nature. 01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:29.316 - But it's also just an estimated repair would be $4,180 to repair every one of these murals every two 01:09:29.316 --> 01:09:38.112 - years. $4,000 each? Well, that's how much the artist's time and the material cost were for the installation 01:09:38.112 --> 01:09:46.582 - of these. So that was not the design cost. So maybe it'd be slightly less. Maybe it's $2,000 to $4,000, 01:09:46.582 --> 01:09:50.654 - right? Per? No, for all of them. For all of them. 01:09:51.298 --> 01:09:58.374 - But the key question is, like, we don't have to make a decision tonight. I mean, because I think that 01:09:58.374 --> 01:10:05.381 - it's one of the local individuals in the neighborhood who's complaining about it, because it doesn't 01:10:05.381 --> 01:10:12.388 - look very good. No. So did the artist create the dome? No, I think the city did. I wrote that street 01:10:12.388 --> 01:10:19.325 - the other day, and it's pretending to be a traffic circle, but the stop signs on either side of it, 01:10:19.325 --> 01:10:20.158 - it's crazy. 01:10:20.802 --> 01:10:30.325 - I own a house right in front of one of those and I think that they do add aesthetically to the neighborhood 01:10:30.325 --> 01:10:39.495 - and I think people really do like them and I do my opinion is that it would be money well spent to keep 01:10:39.495 --> 01:10:48.666 - those up and I also think people will freak out if we don't. I think they just need a curb built around 01:10:48.666 --> 01:10:50.782 - like a really thin one. 01:10:50.946 --> 01:10:56.576 - Yeah, that is true. So if the city did, we probably, yeah, we probably can't change, but I think it's, 01:10:56.576 --> 01:11:02.097 - I think it's money well spent. Other thoughts? It doesn't seem that the car tires have gone over the 01:11:02.097 --> 01:11:07.619 - upper one. Do we need it to necessarily be like painted? Like, could it be a color or like something 01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:13.249 - that's not a boring yellow or white, but at least like that would be easier to maintain, I'm assuming. 01:11:13.249 --> 01:11:18.715 - You could just spray paint or something. That would be easier to maintain. Yeah. Or are there other 01:11:18.715 --> 01:11:20.574 - materials? Yeah. That's not just, 01:11:20.706 --> 01:11:25.451 - acrylic paint on top. Is there a way to treat it after it's touched up to make it more workable? 01:11:25.451 --> 01:11:30.539 - You know, the stuff that they put the dashes down the middle of the road where there's something that's 01:11:30.539 --> 01:11:35.431 - a different material. Yeah, right. Or at least can we identify other locations that are not getting 01:11:35.431 --> 01:11:40.568 - traffic like that in the neighborhood that we could paint? Because I think it does make the neighborhood 01:11:40.568 --> 01:11:45.558 - look more interesting and fun to have those details. But if it gets driven over like that and we have 01:11:45.558 --> 01:11:48.542 - to pay that amount of money every time to fix it, it's like, 01:11:48.674 --> 01:11:55.910 - what you have for like six months before it's ruined seems kind of like pointless. Well, plus you can 01:11:55.910 --> 01:12:03.004 - see like, is there any way they can amend what's there? Because it's not the whole thing. It's just 01:12:03.004 --> 01:12:10.169 - like this way. Can they just redo the one or 25% of the action? Because you'll have old worn out and 01:12:10.169 --> 01:12:17.334 - then like this section is new. Oh, you think it will be too contrasting? Yeah, I think it would look 01:12:17.334 --> 01:12:18.398 - kind of funny. 01:12:18.498 --> 01:12:24.899 - high gloss clear thing. It's like the product that they used wasn't really meant for this. It's street 01:12:24.899 --> 01:12:31.301 - art. I mean street is street art. I was just going to say, I feel like that's what happens when things 01:12:31.301 --> 01:12:37.515 - are outside though. And like, you know, car power and tires, like that's not going to stay perfect. 01:12:37.515 --> 01:12:44.414 - So I think it's like the reality, either we keep paying to do it and also closing down the street to paint it. 01:12:44.610 --> 01:12:50.111 - or we find like a different spot or we paint over it and yeah be like okay we'll paint over it but we'll 01:12:50.111 --> 01:12:55.507 - put this here or we'll paint something else a bit more. Can we work it into the budget that it's going 01:12:55.507 --> 01:12:59.070 - to happen like every three years and pay local artists to do it and 01:12:59.842 --> 01:13:05.787 - Tell the guys. It's a large part of the maintenance budget. We'd have to use other materials. 01:13:05.787 --> 01:13:12.492 - Right now, we only have $20,000. And we're doing condition reporting for all the pieces in the collection 01:13:12.492 --> 01:13:19.133 - that we have. We're like 80-something pieces of public art. And so a lot of it's going to just one piece 01:13:19.133 --> 01:13:25.141 - of art can cost a lot of money. And we're looking for additional sources of maintenance funds. 01:13:25.141 --> 01:13:27.102 - Trust me, I'm working on that. 01:13:27.266 --> 01:13:34.594 - $20,000 you did. But the cost that it is to maintain it, all of those have a top structure. Like here, 01:13:34.594 --> 01:13:41.850 - it's really not much going on. Is there a way to maybe change the idea and make a piece of public art 01:13:41.850 --> 01:13:49.534 - in the middle where the vegetation is that's a little more permanent that isn't getting ran over every day? 01:13:49.890 --> 01:13:54.879 - Yeah, because I also think like, I don't know if I've ever actually seen any of these, and I live in 01:13:54.879 --> 01:13:59.819 - the area, and so I wonder what's the impact of this art like, is it just the immediate neighborhood 01:13:59.819 --> 01:14:04.857 - that's seeing this. So, one, I don't want to say like people shouldn't have art in their neighborhood 01:14:04.857 --> 01:14:07.870 - right, but I agree I feel like is there a way we can modify. 01:14:08.578 --> 01:14:17.736 - this so that people can still enjoy it. Maybe it's a one-time fee to like change it or make it something 01:14:17.736 --> 01:14:24.190 - new out of it. So I don't know, I would be okay with something like that. 01:14:24.386 --> 01:14:29.710 - circumference smaller, because you see the top part, that's the highest part that they're driving, so 01:14:29.710 --> 01:14:34.929 - that's as wide as it probably should be. We're making an elliptical shape that you've seen. Well, I 01:14:34.929 --> 01:14:40.148 - don't think we can change that. I don't think we have a choice, right? We can't change the shape of 01:14:40.148 --> 01:14:45.471 - the traffic piece. Yeah, we can't change the shape of the traffic piece. But if you did an elliptical 01:14:45.471 --> 01:14:49.438 - shape, right? Like in paint where the traffic goes, paint it asphalt color. 01:14:49.730 --> 01:14:55.325 - But then you've got this other palette that traffic isn't driving on that becomes your new palette, 01:14:55.325 --> 01:15:00.808 - your new canvas. I don't know. That would be like a redesign. So we would have to then do an art, 01:15:00.808 --> 01:15:06.515 - you know, we'd have to do a whole selection process or, you know, would everybody be okay using these 01:15:06.515 --> 01:15:11.550 - same artists? And it's still, it's slightly, somewhat addresses the issue, but not quite. 01:15:12.162 --> 01:15:18.944 - Does this artist still live in Bloomington? Yeah, we could totally contract the artist, but I think 01:15:18.944 --> 01:15:25.862 - it's worth the discussion to decide what direction. It's not like disposal is not the go-to decision, 01:15:25.862 --> 01:15:32.915 - right? But it's definitely something to consider with regard to the ongoing maintenance costs. And it's 01:15:32.915 --> 01:15:40.172 - one of the things that is routinely cited as a criterion in policies, which is the work requires excessive 01:15:40.172 --> 01:15:41.054 - maintenance. 01:15:41.506 --> 01:15:48.186 - So it's not a decision for me to make. It's a decision for y'all to kind of consider. I wonder if the 01:15:48.186 --> 01:15:54.931 - artist can get involved in the decision. Oh, absolutely. The artist has to be a part of this decision. 01:15:54.931 --> 01:16:01.480 - Yeah, because I mean, if they're saying, hey, it looks really ugly the way it is right now, maybe I 01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:02.462 - can modify it. 01:16:03.234 --> 01:16:09.889 - Perhaps she could. We would still have to pay for it. That's all I'm saying. These are all the things 01:16:09.889 --> 01:16:16.610 - to have a conversation about. This is how far I've been driving her bit. I'm spitballing what it might 01:16:16.610 --> 01:16:23.265 - cost, because that was what it cost for her to actually paint it, and this is what it might cost. And 01:16:23.265 --> 01:16:26.462 - that could last. Yeah, exactly. She's an artist. 01:16:26.946 --> 01:16:38.030 - I mean, that whole neighborhood has very shabby sheets. I think maybe one thing that could be done is 01:16:38.030 --> 01:16:49.223 - the artist to cut down on maintenance costs. The artist can use a certain type of paint and maybe coat 01:16:49.223 --> 01:16:51.070 - it in a layer of 01:16:52.098 --> 01:16:59.640 - I don't know, some type of coating or maybe polyurethane so that it doesn't have to be done as often. 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:07.182 - And then that can cut down on the maintenance cost. But maybe if requiring the artist to have it last 01:17:07.182 --> 01:17:14.947 - a little longer to use certain paints, maybe that should be a requirement of the artist. Yeah, for sure. 01:17:14.947 --> 01:17:20.862 - Could be. And I don't know what paint material can handle cars driving over it. 01:17:21.378 --> 01:17:27.512 - multiple times a day, it's a sort of, but. Yeah, but we can, there's improvements all the time. Can 01:17:27.512 --> 01:17:33.645 - we table it, sorry. Yeah, let's have, sorry, go ahead. We'll talk at the next meeting, sorry. I was 01:17:33.645 --> 01:17:39.902 - hoping we would progress, but it's cool. Okay, so let's do that for now, and let's move on to Grant's 01:17:39.902 --> 01:17:46.526 - Tidrard, please. Okay, a couple quick things. So, as a quick reminder, we're doing the artistic advancement 01:17:46.626 --> 01:17:53.024 - Review sessions this Saturday and this Tuesday. If you haven't already tried to log in and access, I 01:17:53.024 --> 01:17:59.676 - recommend you start that process now. As Gretchen noted, it takes a while to get through all the grants. 01:17:59.676 --> 01:18:05.567 - Everyone has 21 grants that they're doing, seven on which they're presenting. And I had some 01:18:05.567 --> 01:18:12.155 - login difficulties this weekend. So if you haven't already, check that now and get that resolved before 01:18:12.155 --> 01:18:15.006 - people are out of the office and can't help. 01:18:15.618 --> 01:18:22.675 - When you have your scores, send those to meme page. We're not going to announce the scores at the meeting. 01:18:22.675 --> 01:18:29.468 - We're just going to sort of like present your comments, but the scores will come to meme page. Because 01:18:29.468 --> 01:18:36.326 - these meetings are going to be fully public and open and recorded, we just want the comments presented, 01:18:36.326 --> 01:18:43.119 - but we don't want the specific scores. How do you want the scores? Just email. Email's fine. Just like 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:44.702 - write the artist's name 01:18:44.994 --> 01:18:54.822 - And then finally, looking ahead to the operations grant, that cycle is still open. That runs for about 01:18:54.822 --> 01:19:04.554 - until the 24th, so about two more weeks. I mean, the groups who are applying for that mostly know who 01:19:04.554 --> 01:19:06.558 - they are, but if you 01:19:06.690 --> 01:19:14.594 - No one in struggling arts 501c3s or thriving arts 501c3s who don't regularly apply for that certainly 01:19:14.594 --> 01:19:22.420 - encourage them to do so. Betsy said it took her five hours, but it took me about four. Yeah, just to 01:19:22.420 --> 01:19:30.323 - give everyone a heads up. Between three to five hours is fine. Anything else? Yeah, thank you all for 01:19:30.323 --> 01:19:35.902 - helping out, being a part of this. So it does suggest that we copy that 01:19:36.322 --> 01:19:45.425 - Excel spreadsheet thing 18 times or whatever. That's what they want to see. That's the easiest to be 01:19:45.425 --> 01:19:54.618 - able to correlate the data. Cut paste, cut paste, cut paste. And there's a little symbol in the upper 01:19:54.618 --> 01:20:02.910 - right that you can email it off. Finally, we have just upcoming events and important dates. 01:20:04.130 --> 01:20:10.271 - I don't know if there's anything on that right now, but usually we sit for a second and chat about that. 01:20:10.271 --> 01:20:16.119 - But since we're already past time, we can just, you can find that in your meeting packet and email. 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:22.143 - So please take a look at that at any events that are happening. So I'll just move on to the next piece 01:20:22.143 --> 01:20:27.582 - on the agenda. So commissioner comments, announcements, anything for commissioners to share? 01:20:32.514 --> 01:20:39.919 - Okay, no, nothing. Okay, great. So then, next is public comment. Do we have anybody from the public 01:20:39.919 --> 01:20:47.693 - present online? I don't think so. Okay, gone. All right, so nobody from the public? Okay, so there being 01:20:47.693 --> 01:20:55.172 - no further business, I move to join the meeting. Can I get a second? All in favor say yes. Luke will 01:20:55.172 --> 01:20:58.430 - say no. Okay, meeting adjourned. Thank you.