WEBVTT 00:00:00.130 --> 00:00:07.660 - Hi, everyone. The meeting will now come to order. Let's do a roll call. So I'm Neda Dharahim, chair 00:00:07.660 --> 00:00:15.718 - of the commission, present. I'm Becca Keough, chair of the public art subcommittee, present. Paige Sharpe, 00:00:15.718 --> 00:00:23.474 - city staff. Also my commissioner. Gretchen Well, commissioner. Betsy Sterritt, commissioner. Christina 00:00:23.474 --> 00:00:28.670 - Elam, staff. Okay, great. So the secretary's draft of the minutes of 00:00:28.866 --> 00:00:36.398 - September's meeting was sent to everyone, and a copy is in your meeting packet. Are there any corrections 00:00:36.398 --> 00:00:44.002 - to the minutes as distributed? No. Okay, great. If there are no corrections, I move to approve the minutes 00:00:44.002 --> 00:00:51.108 - as distributed. Can I get a second? Second. Great. All in favor say yes. Yes. Those opposed say no. 00:00:51.108 --> 00:00:58.782 - Okay. Minutes are approved. And city staff for the financials, please. Okay. So there's just a minor change 00:00:58.978 --> 00:01:06.930 - from last time, and that's the reduction of the grants for the artistic advancement grant program. And 00:01:06.930 --> 00:01:14.727 - then we'll have fully expended the professional development dollars for the professional development 00:01:14.727 --> 00:01:22.833 - series, which kicks off on Monday. So we are in good shape for the grant's budget. Soon it will be fully 00:01:22.833 --> 00:01:26.462 - expended because we'll have operation support. 00:01:26.626 --> 00:01:35.732 - Those are currently being reviewed by folks. And that'll be determined here this month. Cool. All right. 00:01:35.732 --> 00:01:45.012 - And can I just add two things to that report? Just housekeeping things. One of them is just the headshots. 00:01:45.012 --> 00:01:53.858 - Please send in your headshots. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Yeah. If you haven't already, I've already 00:01:53.858 --> 00:01:56.286 - received a few of you guys. 00:01:56.482 --> 00:02:04.421 - There's that. And then for the Uptown mural with DBI, there is going to be a reception. And so you all 00:02:04.421 --> 00:02:12.359 - are invited to that reception. And you'll get an email with further details on the specific date. It's 00:02:12.359 --> 00:02:20.066 - going to be next week. 26th? Yeah, the 26th. So just kind of putting that heads out that the BAC is 00:02:20.066 --> 00:02:26.078 - invited to the reception for that mural installation. Are you talking Monday? 00:02:26.178 --> 00:02:35.993 - And then Nick's asked me to share that Amplify Bloomington is having—I don't know what they call it, 00:02:35.993 --> 00:02:43.806 - so we'll just call it a summit or something. And that's going to be October 28th. 00:02:43.874 --> 00:02:50.407 - I think it kicks off around two o'clock, but the fun part is they have a focus on creative economy, 00:02:50.407 --> 00:02:57.071 - which I think if you can go, it'd be really cool. The CEO and founder of Sweetwater Sound will be the 00:02:57.071 --> 00:03:03.930 - keynote speaker, and that'll be at four o'clock at BuzzKurt Chumley. Polina Oshirov from Pattern, she'll 00:03:03.930 --> 00:03:08.830 - be talking about the creative economy, which I think is really compelling. 00:03:09.026 --> 00:03:19.525 - to learn about as well, but I think seeing Sweetwater would be pretty neat. They're amazing. So just 00:03:19.525 --> 00:03:29.920 - sharing that along and we can send you a follow-up with the link. It's free and open to the public. 00:03:29.920 --> 00:03:33.662 - Might be kind of cool to check out. 00:03:36.226 --> 00:03:46.403 - What is it, Christina? It's christina.elam at bloomington.in.gov. If you look back at the midpoint emails, 00:03:46.403 --> 00:03:56.200 - Christina's emails should be CC'd or on it, so I think that's probably easier. I just wanted to double 00:03:56.200 --> 00:04:00.766 - check, thanks. Okay, so that's it for the city. 00:04:01.154 --> 00:04:09.509 - So now, from me, so from your chair, I actually have a couple things today, and not from me, but I had 00:04:09.509 --> 00:04:17.702 - some suggestions for things we should talk about. So the first thing, we're kind of just posing this 00:04:17.702 --> 00:04:25.975 - to commissioners to discuss. I'm probably gonna cap the discussion to 10 minutes so we don't go over. 00:04:25.975 --> 00:04:29.950 - But the question is, should we, when considering 00:04:30.882 --> 00:04:39.711 - public art applications in the future and using the rubric that I think the city is developing. Should 00:04:39.711 --> 00:04:48.283 - there be an extra point for Bloomington residents or organizations? So I'll just kind of open it up 00:04:48.283 --> 00:04:56.855 - to folks to kind of have a chat about that. I think it's a good idea. It doesn't mean you'll select 00:04:56.855 --> 00:05:00.798 - them, but having that as a sort of emphasized 00:05:01.474 --> 00:05:08.431 - I think would go a long way for a lot of artists in this town to understand that they have a, I mean, 00:05:08.431 --> 00:05:15.525 - not necessarily a preference, but that they have a way in. They're being recognized. Yeah. I think that 00:05:15.525 --> 00:05:22.550 - was the smart, I mean, and also, you know, it depends on the project too. Some projects are not really 00:05:22.550 --> 00:05:29.439 - appropriate for what we have available to us in this town, but I think just making them realize that 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:30.462 - they can apply 00:05:31.010 --> 00:05:39.056 - that they will be considered. So why not? I agree. You don't think it would preference them in terms 00:05:39.056 --> 00:05:47.420 - of the scoring process by being a Bloomington-based artist? I don't think so, because I think it depends 00:05:47.420 --> 00:05:55.147 - on who the committee is and what the charge is, I think, for that project. Because for instance, 00:05:55.147 --> 00:05:58.174 - people from, if it's a very technical 00:05:58.274 --> 00:06:06.543 - project that requires even more organized or, you know, something above an individual artist. I think 00:06:06.543 --> 00:06:15.056 - that even if somebody could apply, that doesn't mean that they can actually fulfill the responsibilities 00:06:15.056 --> 00:06:23.245 - of that. I guess what I mean is... To be acknowledged on the rubric, I think is... Good. So you mean 00:06:23.245 --> 00:06:26.974 - more of a public facing than if the rubric is 00:06:27.202 --> 00:06:33.743 - published that by seeing that there's preference given to Bloomington artists, that that would be a 00:06:33.743 --> 00:06:40.546 - good thing. Do they see the rubrics? I don't think they do. I'm just asking the question because that's 00:06:40.546 --> 00:06:47.152 - the way I interpreted what you were saying, so that's why I'm asking for clarification. Okay, here's 00:06:47.152 --> 00:06:53.694 - what I'm wondering about. Are all the rubrics that we use to select public art the same? No. Right. 00:06:53.694 --> 00:06:55.198 - So it seems to me that 00:06:55.554 --> 00:07:02.244 - you wouldn't have to put it on every rubric. Correct. Yeah, I'm just trying to understand. I guess you're 00:07:02.244 --> 00:07:08.682 - just trying to understand what exactly you're imagining. Because when I look at rubrics and I look at 00:07:08.682 --> 00:07:15.056 - scoring, scoring is a big deal. And so if you have a weighted towards a Bloomington artist, then the 00:07:15.056 --> 00:07:18.654 - person could potentially score higher. But there's other 00:07:19.010 --> 00:07:26.145 - there's other scoring factors as well. Well, maybe it wouldn't even be something that would affect the 00:07:26.145 --> 00:07:33.349 - scoring. Maybe there would be just a line in the rubric, or in, sorry, in the applications process that 00:07:33.349 --> 00:07:40.346 - would explain that if you were a local artist or arts group, then the committee would be taking that 00:07:40.346 --> 00:07:47.550 - into account, or something. It could be super general, but I think that would go a long way for people. 00:07:47.746 --> 00:07:54.491 - I really do. Because a lot of local people feel like they can't apply or they don't have a shot in anything. 00:07:54.491 --> 00:08:01.112 - They can't compete. And some of them don't. Is that what the perception is? I hear that a lot from people. 00:08:01.112 --> 00:08:07.485 - Do you? Yeah. OK. So they don't bother applying as a result? No, they apply, but they know they're not 00:08:07.485 --> 00:08:13.982 - going to get it. Or they don't prepare their application in a way that should be, I think, professional. 00:08:14.114 --> 00:08:23.342 - You know, like the rubrics, it's usually like one to five for a lot of the categories. So maybe the 00:08:23.342 --> 00:08:32.940 - category in the rubric that deals with where you're from, maybe it doesn't have to go up to five. Maybe 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:34.878 - it'll be two points. 00:08:35.234 --> 00:08:42.658 - We put it in the RFQ for Miller Showers and it was a maybe, maybe a factor. I think that's good. And 00:08:42.658 --> 00:08:50.009 - it wasn't just that they're from Bloomington, it was that they had a relationship from Bloomington. 00:08:50.009 --> 00:08:57.654 - I think Bloomington in particular for this one, right, because it's a gateway entrance and so logically 00:08:57.654 --> 00:08:59.198 - it really made sense 00:08:59.874 --> 00:09:07.590 - perception wise, at the very least, that if they were selected, I mean, to hell, they could be from 00:09:07.590 --> 00:09:15.384 - Illinois, but they could have gone to school at IU. So that made sense in that case. The one thing I 00:09:15.384 --> 00:09:22.174 - do wonder about is there's frequently this concern about a diversity in the collection. 00:09:22.850 --> 00:09:29.892 - We have a lot of the same artists in the collection. And so that's where I start to get a little nervous. 00:09:29.892 --> 00:09:36.601 - Like I understand the folks that maybe are not represented. So maybe there's kind of a balance point 00:09:36.601 --> 00:09:43.377 - with that as well. Like how to negotiate those two so they don't work to preference somebody yet more 00:09:43.377 --> 00:09:50.020 - when they already have work in the collection. Yeah. And it's like yes to that. And we also want to 00:09:50.020 --> 00:09:51.614 - make sure not to punish 00:09:51.842 --> 00:10:00.017 - people's success. Totally. Yeah. That's a very common, I hear that a lot more than I don't have a chance, 00:10:00.017 --> 00:10:07.884 - but I haven't heard. I hear that too. Yeah. Oh, I already got that. Can I hear from some of the other 00:10:07.884 --> 00:10:15.519 - questions? Yeah, please. No, just us. I just want to make sure everyone feels like they can speak. 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.838 - Of course. I'm just thinking for the moment. All right. 00:10:20.674 --> 00:10:28.420 - I was enjoying the hashing out, I was like, mm, mm. Yeah, because I think, I do think including in some 00:10:28.420 --> 00:10:36.092 - rubrics, like some, you know, an extra point maybe. I don't know if it would need to be like that much 00:10:36.092 --> 00:10:43.540 - more significant. I think it depends on the intent and the piece. And I understand where everyone's 00:10:43.540 --> 00:10:48.158 - kind of coming from in terms of like, it is nice to sometimes 00:10:48.450 --> 00:10:54.433 - favor or have like a certain call be meant for or we are really trying to get Bloomington artists. 00:10:54.433 --> 00:11:00.718 - But I also, yeah, I am worried like if someone who has the expertise and has the lines on their resume, 00:11:00.718 --> 00:11:06.762 - they're going to be favored more than newer people because of that potentially. And I guess there's 00:11:06.762 --> 00:11:12.806 - not really much we can do, I guess, if that's going to happen because of this person's applying and 00:11:12.806 --> 00:11:16.734 - then say other people happen to apply outside of Bloomington and 00:11:17.282 --> 00:11:24.018 - they're not as good, you know, this person ends up doing the art again. So I think that's, I wonder, 00:11:24.018 --> 00:11:30.687 - instead of like being a Bloomington artist, like, do we also think about sometimes with our pieces, 00:11:30.687 --> 00:11:37.490 - it's like new artists, like people we don't have artwork from, and we see like a potential from that, 00:11:37.490 --> 00:11:40.158 - like, I don't think every single, like, 00:11:40.354 --> 00:11:46.206 - So it could be rubric specific. Yeah, I mean, I think I think it should be because each call in each 00:11:46.206 --> 00:11:52.233 - situation is different. You know, it's not like you can have one that just fits every single thing that 00:11:52.233 --> 00:11:58.201 - we want. Right. It depends on the space, the budget, how big this item is supposed to be, like the all 00:11:58.201 --> 00:12:04.285 - these different things. I think if we can, if we have a smaller potentially like something that is meant 00:12:04.285 --> 00:12:07.646 - to be smaller or more local or whatever, like maybe we do 00:12:07.810 --> 00:12:13.894 - consider, oh, like new artists, we want to see you. Like people from Bloomington, that's what we prefer. 00:12:13.894 --> 00:12:19.747 - So yeah, I think it's something we should definitely consider. It seems so case by case, you're like 00:12:19.747 --> 00:12:26.121 - subjective. A specific scenario that I don't know necessarily having a specific point structure on everything 00:12:26.121 --> 00:12:32.031 - really makes sense. But I mean, I think we all would obviously love to see more local artists infused 00:12:32.031 --> 00:12:37.246 - into that as much as possible. Or at least I kind of agree with you, Betsy, with like the 00:12:37.442 --> 00:12:43.750 - on the application having a location section, like where you're from included. I mean, I think it already 00:12:43.750 --> 00:12:49.880 - is, but like, I don't know necessarily about like the point, or an extra point, I don't know. It seems 00:12:49.880 --> 00:12:55.950 - like it is case by case, something, I don't know. But. Avoid point thing. Maybe, yeah. But that's how 00:12:55.950 --> 00:13:02.437 - we score them, isn't it? I mean, the rubric comes down to like the scores. Like a test. Getting an automatic 00:13:02.437 --> 00:13:07.198 - point just for the location is a little like. I don't think that's good because 00:13:07.298 --> 00:13:13.665 - I mean, we have to trust our committees, I think, to pick. I mean, because you would be reviewing their 00:13:13.665 --> 00:13:19.419 - entire application. You would look to see, is that person local? And you would say, OK, well, 00:13:19.419 --> 00:13:25.725 - they're local. Then you could give them an extra point in one of their categories if you think a local 00:13:25.725 --> 00:13:31.846 - person should get it. Yeah, that would be like localized bias to a certain extent. But yeah, giving 00:13:31.846 --> 00:13:36.254 - an extra point to someone just because they're local, even if they have 00:13:37.474 --> 00:13:44.810 - really, you know, no business or just not, you know, the catchphrase to it. How many points are there 00:13:44.810 --> 00:13:52.074 - usually, Paige? Like 50? No. Six? 40? 30? Like 10. It depends on how many criteria there are and you 00:13:52.074 --> 00:13:55.454 - can weight things, you know, like you can make 00:13:55.906 --> 00:14:01.509 - Aren't there many questions and each is weighted like 1 to 5 usually? With the last round of games we 00:14:01.509 --> 00:14:07.001 - had like 1 to 10 or something like that and there were a lot of applications that were teetering on 00:14:07.001 --> 00:14:12.879 - 6 and 7 which is where like and if you already have that extra point that's the difference between getting 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:17.822 - the grant and not so. Yeah that's the thing. A point's pretty, I mean it's 10% so. Right. 00:14:18.914 --> 00:14:24.833 - I just don't know if you tweeted enough really to make that big of a difference out of it. And I think 00:14:24.833 --> 00:14:30.751 - you would already get enough localized bias out of it anyways that, you know, I'm not sure. I was just 00:14:30.751 --> 00:14:36.670 - going to say, I think in some ways can just be a qualitative point because you tend to only talk about 00:14:36.670 --> 00:14:42.474 - the top applicants anyway. Yeah. And so during that discussion is where you also bring up the point, 00:14:42.474 --> 00:14:47.358 - oh, and they're local, you know. Exactly. So I think it's more of like a qualitative 00:14:48.546 --> 00:14:53.868 - than quantitative, because I don't know. Part of me is it does feel weird, because somebody who's been 00:14:53.868 --> 00:14:59.138 - here a year, they get a point. But somebody who probably lived here for 15 years, but then they moved 00:14:59.138 --> 00:15:04.409 - away, it's like, I don't know. I don't know. But it's just like, it's kind of fuzzy. But I think it's 00:15:04.409 --> 00:15:09.576 - a qualitative thing that should be discussed. But I don't know if it should be a point added to it. 00:15:09.576 --> 00:15:14.846 - That's a good point. I like what Paige was saying about the relationship. Maybe they don't just like, 00:15:17.122 --> 00:15:23.499 - What the relationship is to the call and where it's going and what's happening and Because like for 00:15:23.499 --> 00:15:30.196 - traffic boxes it makes sense for that to be just Bloomington artists or maybe Monroe County and Emerging 00:15:30.196 --> 00:15:36.955 - artists because the biggest thing for public artists that are just starting out they need a demonstration 00:15:36.955 --> 00:15:43.524 - project or they a hundred percent don't have a chance right in being able to get any call whether it's 00:15:43.524 --> 00:15:45.246 - in Bloomington or Illinois 00:15:45.378 --> 00:15:53.137 - That's the that's the biggest struggling factor that I know of her public garden. Yeah. Great. Great. 00:15:53.137 --> 00:16:00.744 - So we're at 10 minutes. Great question. Yeah. As to talk about it. So thank you Gretchen for asking 00:16:00.744 --> 00:16:02.494 - us to talk about this. 00:16:03.682 --> 00:16:10.432 - And I think we, I think it was a really good discussion. I think, I think we are, I don't know if we've 00:16:10.432 --> 00:16:17.118 - solved anything. I think it's still a question, but I think we have some clear, you know, I feel like, 00:16:17.118 --> 00:16:23.803 - yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. All right. And then one more thing. So this I feel like is a little less 00:16:23.803 --> 00:16:30.878 - relevant and like out of our purviews commission, but someone still wants to talk about this. So it's about, 00:16:31.170 --> 00:16:37.466 - just kind of people's thoughts on the city of Bloomington using a consultant to, I guess, make decisions 00:16:37.466 --> 00:16:43.462 - on behalf of the city. I know some people feel like maybe this is something they don't like or they 00:16:43.462 --> 00:16:49.577 - feel like we shouldn't be doing, but also at the same time, I want to just reiterate that we can chat 00:16:49.577 --> 00:16:55.693 - about this, but really is not gonna do much in terms of like, we don't influence the city in any way, 00:16:55.693 --> 00:17:00.190 - right? We have a specific purview, which is the grants and the public art. 00:17:00.290 --> 00:17:07.553 - that we, you know, technically not all public art is something that we even have purview over. So, but 00:17:07.553 --> 00:17:14.675 - I did want to bring it up. So if people have thoughts or like just want to chat about it. Can I read 00:17:14.675 --> 00:17:21.726 - something really fast? Sure. So Ruth, my daughter, she, we've been talking about this because she's 00:17:21.726 --> 00:17:28.918 - getting her MBA from Kelly and they're talking a lot about data. Obviously, like she had to do it all 00:17:28.918 --> 00:17:29.694 - summer for 00:17:30.658 --> 00:17:38.279 - you know, a company, whatever. So in one of her classes last week, a professor, they were talking about 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:45.168 - different kinds of consultants and different kinds of pools of data. And she just emailed me, 00:17:45.168 --> 00:17:52.789 - and I was like, that is so interesting. I just want to read it. It's super short. So she said, I wanted 00:17:52.789 --> 00:17:59.678 - to share one thought on the idea of surveying Bloomington residents to determine what type of 00:18:00.162 --> 00:18:08.137 - Public art or art should be installed at any given place, whatever. If the public does get comment, 00:18:08.137 --> 00:18:16.351 - but then we also want to get comments from a consultant. So she said we recently discussed some of the 00:18:16.351 --> 00:18:24.326 - limitations of surveys in one of my marketing classes, and I think they apply really well here. One 00:18:24.326 --> 00:18:26.718 - of the biggest issues is that 00:18:27.426 --> 00:18:35.790 - People don't always know exactly what they want, especially when it comes to decisions they don't make 00:18:35.790 --> 00:18:43.911 - very often. Most residents, and she's talking about surveying people. Like, what kind of art do you 00:18:43.911 --> 00:18:52.113 - want to see? Or where do you want to see it? Or those kinds of questions that we ask all the time of 00:18:52.113 --> 00:18:56.254 - the public. But most residents probably don't have 00:18:56.930 --> 00:19:04.894 - that much knowledge about the specific attributes they value in public R or know all of the different 00:19:04.894 --> 00:19:12.937 - possibilities available. It can also be difficult for someone to evaluate a new or unfamiliar concept. 00:19:12.937 --> 00:19:20.823 - So that's the consultant part. And then they talked about something I'd never heard of. You guys may 00:19:20.823 --> 00:19:25.118 - have. Public R also involves a lot of soft attributes. 00:19:25.794 --> 00:19:33.974 - how something makes a space feel, whether it feels unique to Bloomington or whether people feel connected 00:19:33.974 --> 00:19:42.000 - to it. And this can be very difficult to capture through a traditional survey. So I just wanted to talk 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:50.026 - about that. Like if we're trying to survey people about art or anything to do with the Arts Commission, 00:19:50.026 --> 00:19:55.582 - we think about soft attributes. So I thought it was pretty fascinating. 00:19:55.714 --> 00:20:03.111 - specifically on like the consultant thing, I guess. I mean, we don't have to talk about it if we feel 00:20:03.111 --> 00:20:10.654 - like we don't have opinions or that's just something else. I think there's times when it's appropriate. 00:20:10.654 --> 00:20:17.543 - But it shouldn't be something that we rely on all the time. I mean, there has to be a balance, 00:20:17.543 --> 00:20:23.998 - I would think. So I don't really. A balance on consultants or surveys. Of using consent. 00:20:24.642 --> 00:20:31.886 - surveys i mean it's what consultants use right that's i mean that's the data i mean both consultants 00:20:31.886 --> 00:20:39.059 - like have expertise and like you know there are consultants in bloomington right so if this is like 00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:46.518 - a bloomington bloomington issue or bloomington like question right i mean i think there are people here 00:20:46.518 --> 00:20:52.830 - who also are have an expertise in like finding answers or trying to understand what the 00:20:52.962 --> 00:21:03.261 - right decision is so I think I agree with Betsy like yeah it is appropriate sometimes yeah but there's 00:21:03.261 --> 00:21:13.559 - there's so much data from that brand audit that was done for the bee symbol when I was looking at this 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:22.558 - there is bot loads of data pertaining to the arts already that we have so I would just be 00:21:23.810 --> 00:21:35.330 - Like, I wouldn't, yeah, there's place, identity, marketing, there's so much that I don't see how gathering 00:21:35.330 --> 00:21:45.236 - any more data when it comes to the arts would be. We don't, I mean, how we tend to use, how 00:21:45.236 --> 00:21:50.942 - we use consultants is to extend the capacity of the, 00:21:51.074 --> 00:21:58.681 - of the staff because we just don't have enough capacity. Next year, we plan to use a consultant to help 00:21:58.681 --> 00:22:06.215 - develop the policies and procedures for public art. Largely, the consultant is going to get input from 00:22:06.215 --> 00:22:13.529 - the BAC, from other departments at the city in order for us to map those because we just don't have 00:22:13.529 --> 00:22:17.406 - the capacity. There probably won't be any surveying. 00:22:17.634 --> 00:22:23.879 - as a part of that, because we don't need a survey to be a part of that. A lot of surveys being done 00:22:23.879 --> 00:22:30.187 - by the city itself bereft of whether a consultant's involved or not. I know that we've gotten a used 00:22:30.187 --> 00:22:36.494 - survey to get a pulse on what people care about when it comes to Bloomington, like what's unique or, 00:22:36.494 --> 00:22:42.865 - and that tends to be kind of what effervesces to the top that then shared with the artist to get some 00:22:42.865 --> 00:22:47.486 - sort of context to what kind of art piece the community is interested in. 00:22:47.650 --> 00:22:54.090 - totally understand the self, and that people don't always interpret things equally. It is amazing how 00:22:54.090 --> 00:23:00.719 - different people interpret things. That's why it's really important with surveys to get an understanding 00:23:00.719 --> 00:23:07.159 - of how many people responded. Or who, and who didn't respond. The number of responses, yeah, exactly. 00:23:07.159 --> 00:23:11.326 - It depends on the survey. Not every survey is a lot, or the same. 00:23:11.458 --> 00:23:18.326 - They're very different gradations and levels of complexity and target audiences and things like that. 00:23:18.326 --> 00:23:25.329 - But in terms of its efficacy, it also depends on the number of individuals that have responded. There's 00:23:25.329 --> 00:23:32.264 - like a whole rubric on that alone and the accuracy of responses and things like that. So it's credible 00:23:32.264 --> 00:23:39.806 - data. There's a big difference between data and credible data. Well, like this last audit that was done for me, 00:23:41.218 --> 00:23:47.892 - age group from like 22 to 30 was almost not represented. Right. I mean, this is literally has nothing 00:23:47.892 --> 00:23:54.435 - to do with the city arts or the commission though. And this is when we use consultants, we're using 00:23:54.435 --> 00:24:00.978 - them for a very specific purpose. And we really need to get policies and procedures for public art. 00:24:00.978 --> 00:24:07.717 - And that's it. We're not asking for them to do surveys. We're asking them to do a specific deliverable 00:24:07.717 --> 00:24:10.334 - so that we can do our work more easily. 00:24:10.562 --> 00:24:17.825 - I appreciate the conversation. I think it's good to have more context so that as we make decisions on 00:24:17.825 --> 00:24:25.444 - our stuff, we can be more confident in that. But yeah, I appreciate that. I feel like, especially thinking 00:24:25.444 --> 00:24:32.707 - about my work and the things that I do in my professional life, we could use way more people. I think 00:24:32.707 --> 00:24:39.614 - everyone's just feeling the lack of availability of resources and people as resources. But yeah. 00:24:40.002 --> 00:24:45.996 - Any other thoughts? I would just add, a consultant can also be really helpful in terms of a third party 00:24:45.996 --> 00:24:51.989 - objective. I was just about to say that. And I think that's a really important role for that individual 00:24:51.989 --> 00:24:57.867 - to play, so that they're listening to the feedback. Right. And they're documenting rather than, like, 00:24:57.867 --> 00:25:03.746 - we're just feeling everything that we want. That's not what we want with the consultant. We want them 00:25:03.746 --> 00:25:08.702 - to really be an objective party. Excuse me. Get your flu shot. That's all I'm saying. 00:25:08.994 --> 00:25:18.475 - All right, well, if there's something else on that. So that's all I have on my agenda. So let's move 00:25:18.475 --> 00:25:28.049 - forward with the public art condition issue. So we have the Parade public art installation that's off 00:25:28.049 --> 00:25:37.342 - of the B line near Roger Street. And so Parade was a piece that was commissioned over 10 years ago 00:25:37.698 --> 00:25:45.784 - with the Boys and Girls Club, and it was basically a picture parade connecting both locations. So that's 00:25:45.784 --> 00:25:53.792 - what it's about. And so we took a condition report in August, and then there was a you report submitted 00:25:53.792 --> 00:26:01.570 - to Parks about basically the damage that's been done to this piece. Outside of it, you know, kind of 00:26:01.570 --> 00:26:04.958 - falling over. Essentially, because it's so, 00:26:05.186 --> 00:26:12.894 - you know, over 10 years old, like it's fading, has some graffiti on it, there's no signage. And so, 00:26:12.894 --> 00:26:20.680 - you know, we're wanting to move to just remove it. We did contact the artist, Sam Bartlett, and they 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:28.465 - also are okay with this removal and they also would want some of the panels for just repurposing it. 00:26:28.465 --> 00:26:33.630 - And so we kind of wanted to bring this to you guys to just vote on 00:26:33.986 --> 00:26:42.410 - the removal and your approval to remove the piece. Is that on the beeline just past the showers building 00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:50.433 - going west? Is that where that is? I don't know. I'll be completely honest with you. Would you give 00:26:50.433 --> 00:26:58.857 - us an opportunity to go look at it before we vote? I think we should remove it if the artist is willing. 00:26:58.857 --> 00:27:00.542 - So what's behind it? 00:27:02.658 --> 00:27:10.911 - Like is that, are those wood panels or what is that painted on? So what is behind that? Like what will 00:27:10.911 --> 00:27:18.924 - it look, will it look better? Like what is behind there that we're going to see once it is removed? 00:27:18.924 --> 00:27:27.578 - Green space. What is it? Green space just like. Is it fell iron? Like what's behind that? I can't visualize 00:27:27.578 --> 00:27:29.982 - where it is. Is it fell iron? 00:27:31.810 --> 00:27:38.282 - Is it that recycling place? What did you say? What cross street was this on the Beeline? This is on 00:27:38.282 --> 00:27:45.078 - Beeline near Rogers Street intersection. Near Rogers. Yeah. So that's from Parks property? Yes, on Parks 00:27:45.078 --> 00:27:51.938 - property. So it would be up to Parks to beautify it? Yeah. Also the, sorry you go. I mean the alternative 00:27:51.938 --> 00:27:54.462 - would be that it would look like this. 00:27:54.562 --> 00:28:01.217 - You know what I mean? So like... That can't be repaired at all? No. That piece that's coming off, is 00:28:01.217 --> 00:28:07.873 - it rotten? Yeah, and it's kind of, it's reached its life span too. So... The whole thing has to come 00:28:07.873 --> 00:28:14.594 - down? Yeah. I would say that the artist is in agreement. Yeah. I'm never aware of it. That you've got 00:28:14.594 --> 00:28:21.117 - to fix it up. Hmm? Yeah, and the arts is gonna... Yeah. And the arts will clean up the area, yeah. 00:28:21.117 --> 00:28:24.478 - I mean, this isn't, yeah, this isn't what we want. 00:28:24.674 --> 00:28:30.406 - to have, you know, so if the only way we can make it better is by removing it and yeah, the artist feels 00:28:30.406 --> 00:28:36.030 - okay with that, then I think we should. Yeah. Ten years was getting rough. Yeah, I think so. And then, 00:28:36.030 --> 00:28:41.325 - you know, like, who knows, maybe in the future it frees up space for more art or like, you know, 00:28:41.325 --> 00:28:46.949 - it's like, imagine if we have to fix it, that's resources going into a piece that's like old and like, 00:28:46.949 --> 00:28:52.408 - does anyone really enjoy it, right? We could keep that money for something. Yeah, all that greenery 00:28:52.408 --> 00:28:53.118 - needed to be 00:28:53.282 --> 00:29:00.448 - kept off of it. And that's what rotted the wood is all the moisture that all those bushes are holding 00:29:00.448 --> 00:29:07.755 - into it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's what's going to happen to that kind of material. So I think it's 00:29:07.755 --> 00:29:14.781 - like we can't really like go backwards. We can only make a decision with what we've got now. Right. 00:29:14.781 --> 00:29:20.894 - So I would feel comfortable voting today. And is this the commission voting or is this 00:29:21.154 --> 00:29:28.393 - public art subcommittee or? I wanted the whole commission to have a conversation just because we have 00:29:28.393 --> 00:29:35.631 - a fairly few number of individuals and if there's serious consternation I think it should be in front 00:29:35.631 --> 00:29:43.083 - of the entire BAC to make that decision. I just want to see it before I vote. I see the one panel coming 00:29:43.083 --> 00:29:47.838 - down but really I want to see what's behind it because if it looks 00:29:48.034 --> 00:29:55.140 - There's nothing wrong with art having a lifespan. Right. Yeah. You know? In fact, I think almost all 00:29:55.140 --> 00:30:02.175 - public art should have a lifespan. It's not permanent for the rest of the life. Eternity. Everyone. 00:30:02.175 --> 00:30:09.352 - Yeah. Eternity. Which they asked you? Yeah, I was going to say otherwise it's just going to get worse 00:30:09.352 --> 00:30:14.558 - and then it'd be like, we should really tear this down. So. That's right. 00:30:16.802 --> 00:30:24.764 - Yeah, I feel comfortable voting. All right. So let's put it to a vote. So I guess all in favor of voting 00:30:24.764 --> 00:30:32.498 - to take down the public art, say yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm going to abstain. OK. No. Nobody abstaining. 00:30:32.498 --> 00:30:36.062 - All right. So I believe the motion has passed. 00:30:36.514 --> 00:30:43.053 - to take down the art. I guess I should ask for a second for the motion maybe, but I'm not sure. I think 00:30:43.053 --> 00:30:49.467 - we're fine. It's really, when we get the said policies and procedures document, we will have a whole, 00:30:49.467 --> 00:30:56.007 - we'll have like a process for these things because it's such a state and it's figured it's best to just 00:30:56.007 --> 00:31:02.546 - discuss this without policy. So thank you. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for bringing us up. All right. So next 00:31:02.546 --> 00:31:03.678 - on the agenda is, 00:31:04.194 --> 00:31:12.652 - Strategic Goals and the Public Art Master Plan. Great. I wanted to bring these two documents to everybody's 00:31:12.652 --> 00:31:20.719 - attention. One, just because these are the documents that we've been working under. And I thought it's 00:31:20.719 --> 00:31:28.942 - kind of important to revisit these things. Also, looking at the strategic priorities, these were adopted 00:31:28.942 --> 00:31:30.430 - earlier this year. 00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:37.847 - And before we head into next year's work, I just wanted to take a step back and look at it together, 00:31:37.847 --> 00:31:45.076 - especially with the council asking all departments to really show our impact, telling it impact-based 00:31:45.076 --> 00:31:52.162 - budgeting. I think it's kind of important to just remember that our budget is never guaranteed, and 00:31:52.162 --> 00:31:53.438 - in lieu of SEA 1, 00:31:53.666 --> 00:32:02.159 - communities across the entire state have been financially hit pretty hard to make some difficult financial 00:32:02.159 --> 00:32:10.176 - choices to reduce their overall budget. So I think one of the things to continue to remember is like 00:32:10.176 --> 00:32:18.114 - what is the impact that the VAT is making and how we can really start to deepen the thinking around 00:32:18.114 --> 00:32:22.718 - that. So for example, if a council person want to ask you 00:32:22.978 --> 00:32:32.111 - what we achieved last year, what would you say? What would you say? I would definitely point to the 00:32:32.111 --> 00:32:41.610 - grants that we awarded, the money that we, you know. Yeah, artistic development grants. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:32:41.610 --> 00:32:48.094 - That's three grant cycles. Three. Cyclic art or the convention center. 00:32:53.666 --> 00:33:07.387 - This year? So you're talking 2025? Emerging artists grants and several parties that brought a lot of 00:33:07.387 --> 00:33:18.526 - the different parts of the community together. These are things that I would say. 00:33:28.386 --> 00:33:36.655 - What's your response to that? I would probably bring up conversations where we came to a conclusion 00:33:36.655 --> 00:33:45.173 - about how to handle public art and grants. I think also we did a lot of work, certainly I did not, but 00:33:45.173 --> 00:33:53.773 - folks here did a lot of work on the guidelines for grants. I think that was a really big accomplishment 00:33:53.773 --> 00:33:58.238 - that we did this year. I think just handling a lot of 00:33:58.562 --> 00:34:05.459 - I would even say, look at all the sort of changes we've had to deal with on the commission over this 00:34:05.459 --> 00:34:12.287 - past year and like how we've handled that and been able to still like meet consistently and kind of 00:34:12.287 --> 00:34:19.115 - move forward with these decisions. I would want to highlight that maybe. The building and trades or 00:34:19.115 --> 00:34:26.558 - the tech park that was before any of us were on the commission, but there was a huge opening party for that. 00:34:27.298 --> 00:34:39.013 - I mean, I just think all of those arts-related parties really foster a sense of community, especially 00:34:39.013 --> 00:34:50.613 - when it brings people that work for the city, people that own local businesses, people that work and 00:34:50.613 --> 00:34:56.126 - live downtown, and artists together is good for 00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:07.237 - a huge economic portion of Bloomington. Bringing all of those different parts of the community together 00:35:07.237 --> 00:35:16.336 - and all of the events that we had last year. And there were a lot of them. People showcased their art, 00:35:16.336 --> 00:35:25.170 - the sculpture opening parties. I mean, there was a ton of people there. It was important. You know? 00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:26.142 - Yeah. Yep. 00:35:26.786 --> 00:35:34.297 - Yeah, I think it would be really great for us to lean into the economic impact or the specific impact. 00:35:34.297 --> 00:35:41.808 - So for example, when I think about artistic advancement, it's really an investment in creative careers 00:35:41.808 --> 00:35:49.173 - for Bloomington-based artists, and that has a very specific resonant effect. That's where data could 00:35:49.173 --> 00:35:50.558 - be really helpful. 00:35:51.010 --> 00:35:57.598 - If there was like a couple of things that you guys really wanted to focus in next year out of sort of 00:35:57.598 --> 00:36:04.057 - the barrage of strategic priorities that we do have, is there something that you would like to lean 00:36:04.057 --> 00:36:10.709 - in on? We were talking about it a couple of months ago about BAC visibility, just trying to let people 00:36:10.709 --> 00:36:15.166 - know that we exist as opposed to, you know, just being like a shadow 00:36:15.586 --> 00:36:22.492 - bank in the background that just funds things and you don't know where it came from or how to actually 00:36:22.492 --> 00:36:29.398 - access it. So putting more visibility on we do exist. And then, you know, we've been restructuring how 00:36:29.398 --> 00:36:36.639 - we do things, which is what you were talking about. It's like a lot of that is a lot of all the shenanigans 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:42.942 - that did happen is that we've restructured and now we have things like we have a much tighter 00:36:43.618 --> 00:36:54.765 - Much tighter. I don't know the word for it. Yeah, it's like so it was a lot of just like yeah retightening 00:36:54.765 --> 00:37:05.182 - things up and Yeah, and then here's the new commission. Yeah Of the community like we all have like 00:37:06.274 --> 00:37:11.597 - Like we all want to see the community flourish and that's why we are part of this commission and we 00:37:11.597 --> 00:37:16.973 - certainly don't get anything out of being on the commission other than Contributing to our community 00:37:16.973 --> 00:37:22.509 - and I think I feel like sometimes there might be this disconnect I think Austin has a really good point 00:37:22.509 --> 00:37:28.045 - if we don't really share a little bit about us or like what we do or that like Actually, we're all just 00:37:28.045 --> 00:37:33.528 - like you were part of Bloomington and we care about it. I think that would go a long way Yeah, and our 00:37:33.528 --> 00:37:36.030 - job is to represent the community Not the city 00:37:36.738 --> 00:37:44.914 - It's the community. Not that those things have to be in conflict. They don't, but it is. We're right. 00:37:44.914 --> 00:37:53.169 - We're just the liaison. Yeah, between. Yeah, exactly. Like the community and the city that we all live 00:37:53.169 --> 00:37:59.742 - in. So it's like, I'm just like you. I need art stuff, you know, so just kind of. 00:38:00.098 --> 00:38:06.613 - make that a lot easier and more accessible for folks that don't know how to talk to the city. 00:38:06.613 --> 00:38:14.168 - Maybe also, too, some tangible data on the public art side. The Public Arts Committee, how many applications 00:38:14.168 --> 00:38:21.169 - for next year or things of public art that we've actually approved on, if there's data on that, too? 00:38:21.169 --> 00:38:28.446 - Because I think that's sort of important for the community to know, too. These are the public art things 00:38:28.446 --> 00:38:29.694 - that we're doing. 00:38:29.954 --> 00:38:39.295 - Yeah, like I think that. No, no, right. Like the number of applications we get. The. The amount of grant 00:38:39.295 --> 00:38:48.280 - money that's gone out and what what it's for is in the arts. Talking about like when when the public 00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:57.621 - art is pulled into like I know it might be few and far between, but like what you know public art. We're 00:38:57.621 --> 00:38:59.934 - approving, I guess maybe. 00:39:00.482 --> 00:39:08.812 - Yeah, just the tangible data that we could see what the public art is that we're doing, and people want 00:39:08.812 --> 00:39:17.061 - to know that. I mean, grants, yes, but there's also the secondary side of the BAC in general, just the 00:39:17.061 --> 00:39:24.990 - public art side. I wonder if, because I know that's an issue maybe that some people believe we are 00:39:25.154 --> 00:39:30.203 - responsible for approving certain public art that actually we have no say in. And I wonder if like, 00:39:30.203 --> 00:39:35.353 - yeah, but I wonder how that would, because there is a press release, I'm assuming every time there is 00:39:35.353 --> 00:39:40.402 - like a piece of public art that the city itself, right? And that the commission itself has like had 00:39:40.402 --> 00:39:45.451 - a hand in like approving or whatever. But it's like people choose not to read those things. I guess 00:39:45.451 --> 00:39:50.550 - that's true. Yeah, but I understand what you're trying to say, because it's like, it's kind of like, 00:39:50.550 --> 00:39:51.358 - yeah, I sort of 00:39:51.458 --> 00:39:58.215 - knocking on everyone's door and be like, yes, look at all the stuff we did this year. I wonder, I think 00:39:58.215 --> 00:40:04.712 - people tend to be more vocal or involved when they dislike something sometimes, unfortunately. So I 00:40:04.712 --> 00:40:11.534 - think that's usually the people we hear from more, but I think a lot of times we don't hear from anyone. 00:40:11.534 --> 00:40:18.161 - They probably maybe are enjoying it or don't even notice it or whatever, right? It's like between the 00:40:18.161 --> 00:40:19.006 - whole gamut. 00:40:19.298 --> 00:40:25.866 - I also wanna be conscious of the work that we're putting on ourselves, obviously, and also our city 00:40:25.866 --> 00:40:32.697 - staff too. You guys have a lot going on and while a lot of this is important, especially letting people 00:40:32.697 --> 00:40:39.725 - know that we exist and we're here for them, I also wanna be conscious of the fact that this is a volunteer 00:40:39.725 --> 00:40:46.294 - position and that we all have other things we have to be concerned about. And so balancing how much 00:40:46.294 --> 00:40:49.118 - work will we put on ourselves and the city 00:40:49.378 --> 00:40:57.400 - and what kind of impact that could have. So I mean, I still think we should make the commission known 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:05.343 - to the public in some capacity, and I think the headshots might help. But yeah, I don't want to also 00:41:05.343 --> 00:41:13.600 - feel responsible for dragging people to be interested in the work that we're doing, if that makes sense. 00:41:13.600 --> 00:41:16.510 - I think you made a great point about 00:41:17.026 --> 00:41:22.768 - usually it's like something negative when people will get involved. And I think that's another way to 00:41:22.768 --> 00:41:28.171 - think about it, where it's like a whole year of out of all the stuff we've did, we've only had, 00:41:28.171 --> 00:41:33.800 - you know, eight complaints. And I was like, that's actually pretty good. Like when I'm walking down 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:39.654 - the street and I see like an electric box painted or whatever, I'm like, nice. And then I just go about 00:41:39.654 --> 00:41:45.790 - my day. But then if it's like really terrible, I'm like, I'm gonna email somebody. And like, so it has to be 00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:54.664 - particularly awful or striking for people to get involved, but otherwise, the lack of complaints is 00:41:54.664 --> 00:42:02.934 - telling us that it's good. So, yeah. Or the lack of involvement, maybe saying that is doing it. 00:42:02.934 --> 00:42:11.548 - But anyway, I think if we focused on one thing next year, like one thing only, I think, yeah, maybe 00:42:11.548 --> 00:42:12.926 - somehow getting 00:42:13.442 --> 00:42:21.847 - just like familiarizing the community however that looks like with us. In a way that's like, you know, 00:42:21.847 --> 00:42:30.170 - isn't too much work for everyone. I think that's very pragmatic and valuable. I think that in looking 00:42:30.170 --> 00:42:38.411 - at the gamut of what City Arts does, what the BAC does, it's a lot. And you can't do a lot of things 00:42:38.411 --> 00:42:42.654 - and do them all well. Really focusing on key things 00:42:42.754 --> 00:42:52.317 - and doing them well is really, really valuable. I would throw out that just statistically, we did 104 00:42:52.317 --> 00:43:01.975 - grants this past year, 2025 specifically. Just to give context, what is the population of Bloomington? 00:43:01.975 --> 00:43:12.382 - Anybody want to take a wild guess? With or without students? Right. Students are like 50,000 and Bloomington's 00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:22.812 - Seventy or eighty thousand. So at the state, the Indiana Arts Commission granted around six hundred. 00:43:22.812 --> 00:43:33.822 - That's seven million people for the state of Indiana. We're doing a hundred grant for Bloomington. So that's 00:43:33.922 --> 00:43:41.743 - all of the applications that you guys had to review and score, and then that's all the forms and all 00:43:41.743 --> 00:43:49.564 - the contracts. So that's an example of something that I think that we could really evaluate, and how 00:43:49.564 --> 00:43:56.844 - can we really make a stronger impact that we can tell the council, like, as a result of this, 00:43:56.844 --> 00:44:00.638 - we did this. I would love to challenge ourselves 00:44:00.994 --> 00:44:06.878 - to really make a resonant impact, like what that could look like. Something that you could put the flag 00:44:06.878 --> 00:44:13.044 - in the sand for. I was on the commission and we did this. And that way we were focused really intentionally. 00:44:13.044 --> 00:44:18.928 - And I'll give a little example, because I was talking with Christina about this a little bit yesterday. 00:44:18.928 --> 00:44:24.586 - Thinking about public art, we want to think about emerging artists. And I'm just spit balling. This 00:44:24.586 --> 00:44:30.526 - is not a recommendation. This is simply pages going, like this, we could do this. Let's say that we have 00:44:31.362 --> 00:44:37.216 - variety of places where the art is really degrading and it's always going to be an issue like the traffic 00:44:37.216 --> 00:44:42.739 - calming murals because it's been going to always be an issue because cars are always going to drive 00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:48.427 - over it and so rather than having somebody like fix it what already exists maybe that's an opportunity 00:44:48.427 --> 00:44:53.950 - to bring an emerging artist and they've put in new murals knowing that we're going to be doing this 00:44:54.114 --> 00:45:01.297 - every other year, or even every year. And what about if it's being here, but also this place and this 00:45:01.297 --> 00:45:08.409 - place, and it all happens at the same time, so it becomes an event. It becomes a city event. So then 00:45:08.409 --> 00:45:15.522 - we're focusing on something that becomes a little bit more tangible, funifying, and becomes economic 00:45:15.522 --> 00:45:22.635 - development because it can be a tourism mechanism. That's what I mean about being more strategic and 00:45:22.635 --> 00:45:23.550 - intentional. 00:45:24.002 --> 00:45:30.481 - So I would love, and we don't have to do that like tonight, tomorrow night, or next week, or next month, 00:45:30.481 --> 00:45:36.775 - but it's something that we can start aspiring towards. Because Osari said something, you know, in the 00:45:36.775 --> 00:45:43.007 - city council when they were talking about potentially eliminating the entire department. Who's that? 00:45:43.007 --> 00:45:49.548 - Who's that? Councilman Osari. What's his name? Isaac Osari. Isaac Osari, okay. And he's just like, rather 00:45:49.548 --> 00:45:53.374 - doing a lot of little things, why don't you do something big? 00:45:53.890 --> 00:46:00.096 - And I was like, it's got a fair point, right? The amount of investment that we put in the arts in Bloomington 00:46:00.096 --> 00:46:05.738 - is incredible, and it's very impressive. But I feel like it should be saying something more than it 00:46:05.738 --> 00:46:11.436 - does. And that brings us to, totally. Yeah, I agree too. Yeah. I mean, let's bat it home. Let's make 00:46:11.436 --> 00:46:17.360 - some magic. And I think that'd be really cool. And we can, over this next several months, start to think 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.494 - about what that looks like. I'd like to then sort of move into the public art master plan. 00:46:22.818 --> 00:46:29.345 - I feel like this is a bit of a misnomer in that a master plan to me is like you have a very specific 00:46:29.345 --> 00:46:36.000 - vision that you're going towards and you have these goals, right? Because you get it, right? I get it. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:42.785 - It's like a strategic plan and like this is the roadmap that we're going to do. This is more like, these 00:46:42.785 --> 00:46:49.118 - are more like guidelines. So like the BAC's role with Percent for Art, that has the biggest role. 00:46:49.378 --> 00:46:56.265 - When it comes to public art, if it's a private individual with private dollars, we have nothing to do 00:46:56.265 --> 00:47:03.084 - with that. And that is totally protected by free speech. So no matter what it looks like, even if we 00:47:03.084 --> 00:47:09.836 - can't stand it, there's nothing anybody can do in this community. Like that Dr. Pepper ad that just 00:47:09.836 --> 00:47:16.318 - went up downtown? Right. Well, they do have an ordinance issue with that, because it's signage. 00:47:16.450 --> 00:47:22.678 - a letter has gone out to them. And they'll have to litigate it, right? Because they'll be like, yeah, 00:47:22.678 --> 00:47:28.539 - but I have free speech, right? And that's a good thing. It's good to have free speech. I think, 00:47:28.539 --> 00:47:34.705 - you know, it is what it is. I would like to, you know, like I said, over the next year, we are going 00:47:34.705 --> 00:47:40.872 - to reboot the Public Art Master Plan. But because they're mostly like, if this, then that, those are 00:47:40.872 --> 00:47:42.398 - policies and procedures. 00:47:42.594 --> 00:47:48.325 - And so we're working over that with a consultant over the next year, who, by the way, is Bloomington 00:47:48.325 --> 00:47:53.999 - based, if that makes anybody feel any better, and has done this for the city of Madison. So we have 00:47:53.999 --> 00:48:00.128 - a good experience about that. But for the time being, this is kind of the roadmap that we've been operating 00:48:00.128 --> 00:48:06.086 - on. I just wanted to make sure that you guys were aware that it exists. But I also wonder, when it comes 00:48:06.086 --> 00:48:09.150 - to public art, maybe we should have a strategic plan. 00:48:11.138 --> 00:48:18.381 - beyond policies and procedures, what is the vision that we're going for? What do we want to achieve? 00:48:18.381 --> 00:48:25.910 - Is that something you guys would be interested in? And is that making sense when I mean like a strategic 00:48:25.910 --> 00:48:33.297 - plan for public art, like goals and strategies and things like that? I think so. We don't seem to have 00:48:33.297 --> 00:48:37.886 - kind of a cohesive vibe or theme happening with our public art. 00:48:38.178 --> 00:48:44.563 - Yeah, I was gonna say something kind of cool where you mentioned the traffic circular themagings if 00:48:44.563 --> 00:48:51.139 - there's like an annual or even biannual like say we Introduced this idea of like hey Bloomington. What 00:48:51.139 --> 00:48:57.523 - should the theme of next year be or whatever? Just like something where I don't know what I've like 00:48:57.523 --> 00:49:04.227 - Yeah, like say the the the cicadas come, you know every however many years but the next year the cicadas 00:49:04.227 --> 00:49:06.334 - are coming up so we want to do a 00:49:06.882 --> 00:49:13.486 - all of Bloomington and like a theme like that. And so we have several artists that are going to do these 00:49:13.486 --> 00:49:19.901 - traffic cones and, you know, yeah, but then everyone's doing it at the same time. And it's like a big 00:49:19.901 --> 00:49:26.317 - event where, you know, it's the annual, whatever we're doing, the public art festival. And then like, 00:49:26.317 --> 00:49:32.921 - that's kind of it for the year. And then other little grants and stuff like that. But like one big thing 00:49:32.921 --> 00:49:36.254 - and cohesive stuff that, you know, it's a strawberry 00:49:36.866 --> 00:49:45.037 - shortcake year, you know, we're all doing that. But like, yeah, just something that everybody's everyone's 00:49:45.037 --> 00:49:52.980 - on the same page is like, what are you going to do for this year of the restaurants are having specials 00:49:52.980 --> 00:50:00.770 - dedicated towards the art thing that we're all in on? Yeah. Yeah. For public art, I've always thought 00:50:00.770 --> 00:50:02.526 - we have so many famous 00:50:03.714 --> 00:50:11.778 - people from Bloomington or that attended IU that we're not recognizing. You know, like Louisville has 00:50:11.778 --> 00:50:20.316 - like all the famous rappers from Louisville or whatever on the size of buildings and like Jennifer Lawrence 00:50:20.316 --> 00:50:28.380 - and they really are proud of that those, no Louisville, but they're, you know, they're, they're proud 00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:32.254 - of, you know, this is, this is us too, you know. 00:50:32.354 --> 00:50:41.345 - Like Ryan Murphy who wrote Glee went to IU, you know, or, you know, Meg Cabot who wrote Princess Diaries. 00:50:41.345 --> 00:50:49.997 - She's hugely famous and we don't have anything. Yeah. You know, there's famous opera singers and like 00:50:49.997 --> 00:50:58.649 - musicians and labels and, you know, there's athletics is represented enough, but it would be, I think 00:50:58.649 --> 00:51:01.278 - so cool for us to like embrace 00:51:01.634 --> 00:51:08.072 - how cool we are as a community through people that have been kind of birthed from Bloomington. It's 00:51:08.072 --> 00:51:14.510 - a good selling point too for economics. Are there specific areas that we could have like, let's say 00:51:14.510 --> 00:51:21.205 - a visual arts or interactive arts exhibit that maybe runs for like, let's say like a year where we have 00:51:21.205 --> 00:51:28.158 - a local artist who comes and, you know, they submit to the Bloomington Arts Commission. We kind of look at, 00:51:28.514 --> 00:51:33.664 - the ones and it's like, yeah, all right, cool. You get this spot. There's going to be a mural that is 00:51:33.664 --> 00:51:38.712 - like dedicated in a spot that will be seen by, you know, local people or visitors, you know, in the 00:51:38.712 --> 00:51:43.761 - downtown area that people are kind of aware, like, oh, that's that mural that's here for this year, 00:51:43.761 --> 00:51:48.860 - however long. And then, you know, a new artist gets to come and like do something with it. I mean, I 00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:54.212 - feel like stuff like that would be maybe we do a lot of great stuff like, you know, the boxes are painted 00:51:54.212 --> 00:51:57.342 - and things, but there's not anything that you walk by and go, 00:51:57.922 --> 00:52:02.430 - Oh, like, what is that? Like, you know, where's the story there? And then it's like there for a year 00:52:02.430 --> 00:52:06.938 - and then it changes the next year or something like that, whether, again, that's a visual art space, 00:52:06.938 --> 00:52:11.625 - or is that like an interactive art space? I don't know what that looks like, or is there separate spaces 00:52:11.625 --> 00:52:16.177 - to do something like that with? But I feel like that would kind of give us that visibility thing that 00:52:16.177 --> 00:52:17.918 - we were talking about. And then people 00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:22.293 - You know then understand oh that is through the Blooming Arts Commission those are local artists that's 00:52:22.293 --> 00:52:26.537 - specifically what that's there for and it changes every year. So it's not the same thing you're looking 00:52:26.537 --> 00:52:30.699 - at every 10 years like on the beeline trail that now we're looking at so it's up kept, it's promoting 00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:34.942 - new artists so you get a new artist every year to kind of do that or whatever that timeline looks like. 00:52:35.490 --> 00:52:40.231 - I mean, I think something like that would help a lot with visibility and with new upcoming local artists 00:52:40.231 --> 00:52:44.521 - and all the things that we're trying to accomplish as well. And you could call it a BAC public 00:52:44.521 --> 00:52:49.307 - art initiative. So it could be driven by the BAC. Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of areas. If we're looking 00:52:49.307 --> 00:52:53.958 - at the downtown square or areas around there, I think it needs to be something that's high visibility. 00:52:53.958 --> 00:52:58.744 - Like I said, I know we do a lot of little projects that we were talking about. But again, like the little 00:52:58.744 --> 00:53:03.575 - roundabout things that get driven on all the time. Well, if we have a bigger space that people are seeing, 00:53:03.575 --> 00:53:05.246 - so many people are really going down 00:53:05.602 --> 00:53:11.103 - six or seven street or whatever on a daily basis. You know, I think if we had a bigger purview downtown 00:53:11.103 --> 00:53:16.393 - and people notice that, oh, that is changing every six months annually, whatever. And you still had 00:53:16.393 --> 00:53:21.841 - a festival like around that unveiling. Yeah. Did you see the... I'd rather do that than all the little 00:53:21.841 --> 00:53:27.184 - tiny grants. Seriously. Yeah. Did you see the block houses like projecting on the block house? Yeah, 00:53:27.184 --> 00:53:32.632 - that's amazing. That's awesome. Something like that. Yeah. And I didn't know what was happening. I was 00:53:32.632 --> 00:53:33.214 - just like, 00:53:33.346 --> 00:53:38.682 - Whoa. They did for Lotus, right? They were projecting on Chase Bank as well. And so, I mean, granted 00:53:38.682 --> 00:53:43.964 - that I would imagine that's cheaper and easier than someone actually painting something. So I don't 00:53:43.964 --> 00:53:49.247 - want to just like project on everything, which would be cool. But like, yeah, just stuff like that. 00:53:49.247 --> 00:53:54.741 - It was, no one saw it coming and there it was. And you're like, they're so rad. Yeah, it was like, they 00:53:54.741 --> 00:53:59.390 - really are. I visited their studio. It's phenomenal. And they're really to host like a, 00:53:59.906 --> 00:54:05.562 - an artist training about working in digital arts, which I thought was very, very kind of them. I've 00:54:05.562 --> 00:54:11.388 - thought about that, too, because you've got the Blink Festival in Cincinnati, and if you've ever been, 00:54:11.388 --> 00:54:17.158 - it's just mind-blowing. It's projection, it's not at the level that Blockhouse has, but it's all over 00:54:17.158 --> 00:54:22.814 - the city, artist interventions. I looked that up after we talked about it, and you're right, it is. 00:54:23.170 --> 00:54:28.978 - Cool. Massive. It's like a hundred thousand people coming in. So the economic development is massive. 00:54:28.978 --> 00:54:34.787 - Yeah. And so I've been, I would love for us to start it. We don't have to, like I said, we don't have 00:54:34.787 --> 00:54:40.595 - to figure this all out tonight. Know that this could be a really exciting strategic direction for the 00:54:40.595 --> 00:54:44.638 - BAC to be intentional, focused, impactful, meaningful, and then it can 00:54:44.770 --> 00:54:50.513 - Increase the visibility and so I could get we can start working in that direction policies and procedures 00:54:50.513 --> 00:54:56.094 - We absolutely have to do it because it's gonna drive me insane if we don't have that organized because 00:54:56.094 --> 00:55:01.784 - we need to be able to figure out Lifespan and stuff like that. So I have to have the rehabs conversation 00:55:01.784 --> 00:55:07.365 - But if you're given that I can get you know a consultant to come in and also help guide us towards how 00:55:07.365 --> 00:55:13.054 - we can be more strategic long term and we can help we can get percent for art to support that effort and 00:55:13.698 --> 00:55:21.077 - The shop for art does not have to be tied to the actual construction project. It doesn't. It can go 00:55:21.077 --> 00:55:28.752 - into a kitty and we can decide what we want to do with it. I've already talked about this with the city 00:55:28.752 --> 00:55:36.426 - because $20,000 for maintenance isn't going to get it. Something happens to one of those parking garage 00:55:36.426 --> 00:55:42.846 - murals, it's significant. That'll got it like partially, like that's 20,000 like that. 00:55:43.362 --> 00:55:48.300 - And we have all these other pieces. So we've got a lot of money that's got to go toward fixing what 00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:53.386 - we have, getting rid of what doesn't need to be around, and focusing on really impactful work that can 00:55:53.386 --> 00:55:58.570 - resonate with the community. But I would love to get your input on that so we have a strategic direction 00:55:58.570 --> 00:56:00.990 - that's cohesive that everybody feels good about. 00:56:01.698 --> 00:56:07.686 - So I can get the ball. But thank you for your input, because I don't want to get the ball rolling on 00:56:07.686 --> 00:56:13.851 - these things without people like, yeah, that sounds good. Because they'd be like, Paige, that's insane. 00:56:13.851 --> 00:56:19.839 - And I'm like, OK, I'll just have to think of something else to entertain everybody. So, well, great. 00:56:19.839 --> 00:56:25.886 - I think it sounds good, more impactful art. Yeah, let's do it. We said that the whole state gives out 00:56:26.050 --> 00:56:32.895 - two, three hundred and we're doing a hundred? That's insane. Which is not tenable. Did I notice the 00:56:32.895 --> 00:56:39.808 - artistic advancement that we actually gave less than we did last year? I mean less number of grants? 00:56:39.808 --> 00:56:46.721 - Yes, less number of grants because we decided to fully fund them. That's a great move. It was. I was 00:56:46.721 --> 00:56:48.638 - delighted with that because 00:56:48.930 --> 00:56:56.644 - You know, $800 grants, you know, so that was fantastic. That's a good move in the right direction. And 00:56:56.644 --> 00:57:04.958 - what about the one that's out now? Is there operation support operations? Yeah, we got what 2628 applications. 00:57:05.154 --> 00:57:10.971 - we can hone that program more intentionally. And we can have a study group evaluate how to 00:57:10.971 --> 00:57:17.682 - do that effectively. Because I think those are going to be really hard strategic conversations. It needs 00:57:17.682 --> 00:57:24.266 - to be maybe even people beyond who we have at the BAC. Like Eric, I think at the Arts Commission would 00:57:24.266 --> 00:57:30.850 - be great to contribute to that conversation. Somebody from a community foundation, what are the things 00:57:30.850 --> 00:57:34.174 - that we really need to think about to be strategic, 00:57:34.274 --> 00:57:42.043 - impactful without totally perturbing the system that we have. We've got a little bit of a balance point. 00:57:42.043 --> 00:57:49.443 - We may have a year where we kind of need to dial it back, and then we dial it way back, because you 00:57:49.443 --> 00:57:57.064 - can get a pretty dramatic response. We'll have to think of change management. I've done that, but it's 00:57:57.064 --> 00:58:02.910 - been a while. Lynn, you were going to say something? I was just, first of all, 00:58:03.234 --> 00:58:11.318 - just going to share an experience that a friend actually, many of you know, Suzanne Ryan, who was on 00:58:11.318 --> 00:58:19.562 - the commission before I came on the commission. And one of the things that when she was working as the 00:58:19.562 --> 00:58:27.166 - leader of the Bloomington Early Music that she helped put into place there was to change their 00:58:27.554 --> 00:58:35.479 - programming to be more thematically organized and she felt like that overall made the organization. 00:58:35.479 --> 00:58:43.562 - Having a more coherent program for them seemed to work really well than just, well, who's around this 00:58:43.562 --> 00:58:51.804 - year? And I think that there's something really to be said about that direction that we've been talking 00:58:51.804 --> 00:58:54.974 - about. The other thing that I guess was 00:58:55.746 --> 00:59:04.623 - came to mind is I think that in Bloomington they had the fish paintings and I was in Chicago finishing 00:59:04.623 --> 00:59:13.758 - grad school and they had the cows and the bison in Lafayette and everybody had their different fiberglass 00:59:13.758 --> 00:59:22.462 - animal done by the local artists and I was just sort of there's I mean I don't know if that's really 00:59:23.042 --> 00:59:30.568 - In some ways, it's been done, but it's also been two decades, I think, since it was in its head. There's 00:59:30.568 --> 00:59:37.807 - still some around, though. People love that stuff. If we wanted to do that again, what would it look 00:59:37.807 --> 00:59:45.046 - like that would make it different? Or is that absolutely not what we're talking about, and how do we 00:59:45.046 --> 00:59:46.910 - distinguish it from that? 00:59:47.362 --> 00:59:53.861 - multi-part question. I think it needs to be driven by multiple voices at the table. I think what I constantly 00:59:53.861 --> 00:59:59.770 - hear from y'all is distinctively Bloomington. What would be distinctively, like doing a blink here, 00:59:59.770 --> 01:00:05.619 - we don't want to do a blink here because blink is blink. It's Cincinnati. But what's distinctively 01:00:05.619 --> 01:00:11.705 - Bloomington? And maybe Blockhouse is a variation, right? Because Blockhouse brings a totally different 01:00:11.705 --> 01:00:14.718 - dimension of a light intervention festival, right? 01:00:15.362 --> 01:00:22.474 - To me that's not distinctive because that's just something that's been done over and over again. The 01:00:22.474 --> 01:00:28.670 - other thing is it's a campus. We've got IU. The last time Lafayette, West Lafayette did 01:00:28.898 --> 01:00:35.554 - think dogs, the students were like jacking those dogs like crazy. I mean, I can't tell you how many 01:00:35.554 --> 01:00:42.742 - dogs got stolen by students and became like gay bot. So I'm kind of sensitive to the, not that the students 01:00:42.742 --> 01:00:49.465 - here would do anything like that, but something to consider. Anyway, we're at time. I will be quiet. 01:00:49.465 --> 01:00:52.926 - You guys continue. Thank you for all your feedback. 01:00:56.162 --> 01:01:03.043 - So now we'll go to Rebecca for public bar. Yeah, just a few updates. The traffic boxes, well, these 01:01:03.043 --> 01:01:09.923 - are DBI updates. So traffic boxes are wrapping up. Three are completed. One is near completion. And 01:01:09.923 --> 01:01:16.941 - the last will start at the end of the month. So for the last box, the city put out the RFQ. I believe 01:01:16.941 --> 01:01:24.510 - you assisted in the applications for that. It was super fun. So there was three finalists out of 30, and then 01:01:24.834 --> 01:01:31.617 - chose Taryn Marks to paint the last box. Installation is scheduled to begin at the end of the month. 01:01:31.617 --> 01:01:38.400 - Cool. Basically, just with Uptown Plaza mural, you said that there would be the week of installation 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:45.249 - is scheduled to begin the week of October 19th. And then again, as a heads up, there will be the open 01:01:45.249 --> 01:01:50.622 - house. That'll be, emails will be sent out next week for the 26th, right? Yeah. 01:01:51.170 --> 01:01:58.737 - World Food Mural, the design completed and the design is completed and installation will begin this 01:01:58.737 --> 01:02:06.606 - week or next depending on scheduling. So the mural, this mural will also be done by the end of whenever 01:02:06.606 --> 01:02:14.475 - they actually get started. So it only takes like a week. And that's another downtown Bloomington. Yeah, 01:02:14.475 --> 01:02:17.502 - that's part of the downtown, yeah, DBI. 01:02:18.594 --> 01:02:24.865 - So then the Bicentennial Gateway Project update. So after gathering feedback from us, the Public Art 01:02:24.865 --> 01:02:31.135 - Subcommittee and the BAC, City staff created the RFQ for the Gateway Project public artwork. This is 01:02:31.135 --> 01:02:37.654 - set to go live in the coming days. The call will be open until December 4th. The Public Art Subcommittee 01:02:37.654 --> 01:02:44.173 - will meet to discuss the rubric in November. Once applications are in, City staff will prepare materials 01:02:44.173 --> 01:02:47.774 - and the selection committee will begin review in January. 01:02:48.546 --> 01:02:55.095 - Cool. That is all of the updates I have. Thank you. Next on our agenda is to go to Gerard, who's the 01:02:55.095 --> 01:03:01.643 - subcommittee chair of France, but he's absent. He didn't share anything with me that he wanted me to 01:03:01.643 --> 01:03:08.387 - share, but does anyone at the city have anything that he asked? Just at the subcommittee when they meet 01:03:08.387 --> 01:03:14.871 - next, we'll make the determination for awards for operations support. So that'll be coming around a 01:03:14.871 --> 01:03:17.918 - bit. And I believe he shared an email to folks 01:03:18.018 --> 01:03:27.024 - who will be evaluating grants. Yeah, so you guys should have that info. All right, great. And then moving 01:03:27.024 --> 01:03:35.861 - on, next is upcoming events and important dates. As always, any events that you think would be relevant 01:03:35.861 --> 01:03:44.358 - for us to be aware of, please feel free to go on to the document and add. Right now I'm seeing only 01:03:44.358 --> 01:03:46.142 - one thing coming up. 01:03:47.586 --> 01:03:54.522 - the creativity as infrastructure. Is this the one that you mentioned? Yeah, I mentioned that earlier. 01:03:54.522 --> 01:04:01.662 - It was an inappropriate time to do it. Apparently, it was the event section of the agenda. My apologies, 01:04:01.662 --> 01:04:08.938 - everybody. But please attack. I feel like since we're already past the end of the meeting, I won't belabor 01:04:08.938 --> 01:04:13.086 - this too much. But please continue to add things on to this. 01:04:13.666 --> 01:04:21.354 - Google Sheet if you know of events or want us to be aware of events happening in Bloomington. Okay. 01:04:21.354 --> 01:04:29.272 - Next is commissioner comments and announcements. Any comments from commissioners or announcements they 01:04:29.272 --> 01:04:37.344 - would want to share with the commission? Okay. Great. Wonderful. We've exhausted them all already. Good. 01:04:37.344 --> 01:04:42.110 - Yes. Well, yeah, we've had definitely good discussions today. 01:04:42.242 --> 01:04:48.996 - Finally, do we have anyone from the public online? I think so, yeah. Okay, no public is present, so 01:04:48.996 --> 01:04:55.886 - we'll move from public comment. And then, okay, so there being no further business, I move to adjourn 01:04:55.886 --> 01:05:02.573 - the meeting. Can I get a second? Second. Okay, all in favor say yes. Yes. Okay, meeting adjourned. 01:05:02.573 --> 01:05:04.734 - Thank you. Thank you, everyone.