WEBVTT 00:00:00.866 --> 00:00:06.953 - All right, everyone, we'll go ahead and get started. We're at 6.01. You're never going to believe this, 00:00:06.953 --> 00:00:12.807 - but we have a packed agenda tonight, so we better get it moving. So I call to order this meeting of 00:00:12.807 --> 00:00:18.894 - the Bloomington Commission on Sustainability and Resilience at 6.01 PM. And we will go through the roll 00:00:18.894 --> 00:00:24.923 - call. And just a reminder for commissioners that are dialing in online, whenever you respond to a roll 00:00:24.923 --> 00:00:30.718 - call or a vote or anything like that, to make sure you unmute yourself and un-video mute yourself. 00:00:30.914 --> 00:00:42.032 - Okay, Tara Dunn here. Here. Justin Vassel, I'm here. Matt Austin. Present. Present. Quentin Gilley. 00:00:42.032 --> 00:00:53.150 - I'm here and I'll be there soon. Okay, perfect. Appreciate it. Okay, Christopher Miles. Here. Here. 00:00:53.150 --> 00:00:59.710 - Zach Omerman. Here. Here. Dave Rallo. Here. Here, virtual. 00:01:00.002 --> 00:01:17.614 - Alex York? Here. Here. Maria Arstad? Here. Here. Shenghuai Xu? Nope. Okay. Diana Ogrodowsky? I'm here. 00:01:17.614 --> 00:01:26.334 - Here. Virtual. And Ross Carlson? Here. Here. Okay. 00:01:26.434 --> 00:01:33.063 - Perfect. So that brings us to the approval of the agenda. So since we are anticipating a pretty substantial 00:01:33.063 --> 00:01:39.447 - discussion on resolution 2026-04, I'm going to suggest that we rearrange a couple things on the agenda. 00:01:39.447 --> 00:01:45.585 - For that, there's a good chance there's going to be some stuff that we maybe don't get to that's on 00:01:45.585 --> 00:01:51.784 - the agenda. And if that happens, if we just don't have time for it, that'll automatically get pushed 00:01:51.784 --> 00:01:55.774 - to the next meeting. So what I'm going to suggest, and I'll just 00:01:55.938 --> 00:02:01.845 - lay this out quick and ask if anyone else has any other changes that they want to make and then maybe 00:02:01.845 --> 00:02:08.042 - we can get it all done in one motion here. But what I'm going to suggest is that we move the staff liaison 00:02:08.042 --> 00:02:13.833 - report just after the commissioner's report and before discussion is not the subject of resolution, 00:02:13.833 --> 00:02:18.814 - just because that one has kind of gotten cut off at the end of our previous meetings. 00:02:19.682 --> 00:02:24.940 - The second thing I want to suggest is that we move our resolutions for first reading to come after the 00:02:24.940 --> 00:02:30.299 - resolutions for second reading. So we can sort of front load that longer discussion that we're expecting 00:02:30.299 --> 00:02:35.812 - to have. And then anything that we don't get through after that, we can just readdress at the next meeting. 00:02:35.812 --> 00:02:41.019 - So before I make that motion, is there anyone else who has something else they want to suggest as far 00:02:41.019 --> 00:02:42.142 - as agenda changes go? 00:02:47.490 --> 00:02:54.520 - Hearing none, I'll move that we move the staff liaison report to after the commissioner's reports and 00:02:54.520 --> 00:03:01.619 - that we move resolutions for first reading after our resolutions for second reading. Seconded. There's 00:03:01.619 --> 00:03:08.648 - a second. All right. Any further discussion? Okay. We'll move on to a vote then. We'll do a roll call 00:03:08.648 --> 00:03:15.678 - vote since we have folks dialing in online. Tara? Yes. Yes. Justin, yes. Matt? Yes. Yes. Christopher? 00:03:15.678 --> 00:03:17.470 - Yes. Yes. Zach? Yes. Yes. 00:03:18.338 --> 00:03:30.365 - Yes. Yes. Quinton? Yes. Yes. Alex? Yes. Yes. Maria? Yes. Yes. Shenghuai is not here. Somebody in the 00:03:30.365 --> 00:03:43.582 - waiting room, but not Shenghuai. Diana? Yes. Yes. And Ross? Yes. Yes. Okay. The agenda is approved as amended. 00:03:43.714 --> 00:03:51.530 - So that brings us to the... So that brings us to the approval of the minutes for March 10th, 2026, which 00:03:51.530 --> 00:03:59.272 - were circulated with the agenda last week. Are there any corrections to be made to those minutes? Okay. 00:03:59.272 --> 00:04:06.716 - Is there a motion to approve? Motion to approve. And a second? Second. Perfect. All right. We'll go 00:04:06.716 --> 00:04:13.118 - through the roll call. Tara? Yes. Yes. Justin? Yes. Matt? Yes. Yes. Christopher? Yes. 00:04:13.314 --> 00:04:25.845 - Yes. Zach? Yes. Yes. Councilmember Rallo? Yes. Yes. Quentin? Yes. Yes. Alex? Yes. Yes. Maria? Yes. Yes. 00:04:25.845 --> 00:04:38.014 - Shenghuai? Diana? Yes. Yes. And Ross? Yes. Yes. Okay. The minutes for March 10th, 2026 are approved. 00:04:38.754 --> 00:04:45.513 - So that will bring us to the public comment portion of the meeting. So we've got about 10 minutes set 00:04:45.513 --> 00:04:52.338 - aside for this. If folks want to make public comments about anything they desire, they are welcome to. 00:04:52.338 --> 00:04:58.965 - We'll ask that, we'll probably try to go back and forth between here in the room and on Zoom. If we 00:04:58.965 --> 00:05:04.862 - have folks on Zoom that want to make comment, we limit each comment up to three minutes. 00:05:05.218 --> 00:05:12.588 - And we'll just ask that you come up to the table and sit in one of the guest spots here and just state 00:05:12.588 --> 00:05:19.887 - your name for the record and then make your comment. So we'll start here in the room. Is there anyone 00:05:19.887 --> 00:05:27.186 - who would like to make public comment tonight? Okay, I'm not seeing anyone right away in the room. Is 00:05:27.186 --> 00:05:34.270 - there anyone on Zoom who would like to make public comment? I would like to make a public comment. 00:05:36.930 --> 00:05:46.304 - OK, perfect. Yeah, we've got you loud and clear. So yeah, go ahead. And if you could state your name 00:05:46.304 --> 00:05:55.584 - as you begin. Yes, my name is Ellie Spear. And my public is that I received as a member a community 00:05:55.584 --> 00:06:04.030 - for a neighborhood grant last year. And I appreciated the opportunity for our neighborhood 00:06:07.874 --> 00:06:17.695 - We've expanded it and opened it up to us people in the community, but we're all kings. But as a part 00:06:17.695 --> 00:06:27.517 - of that grant, I received a 1099 NC, which is for non-employment compensation. And I was not paid as 00:06:27.517 --> 00:06:37.630 - a C member by the DCOTS grant, only for supplies. So it's a little hiccup where I'm going to be charged 00:06:39.714 --> 00:06:48.085 - And I'm working right now with, or I've made it into accounting to change this up. But I just wanted 00:06:48.085 --> 00:06:56.374 - to acknowledge that this did happen to me. You did award grants to anyone else. That they may be in 00:06:56.374 --> 00:07:04.414 - a situation, but have just turned their form that they're accountants or the tax advisor and not 00:07:11.394 --> 00:07:24.622 - as a concern because I'm working to review the forms. So that's what I'm commenting on. Then I'm also, 00:07:24.622 --> 00:07:39.262 - a second comment is the Any Kind of Neighborhood Grant. As I continue to commend this to community organizations, 00:07:42.946 --> 00:07:51.489 - very difficult and challenged for them, and they're giving up. I say I will help them, I help them as 00:07:51.489 --> 00:08:00.284 - much as possible, but they're really, people are giving up. And I know you want to support all different 00:08:00.284 --> 00:08:08.660 - kinds of sustainability initiatives. So I'm just giving you my feedback from home. Thank you. Thank 00:08:08.660 --> 00:08:12.094 - you very much. Appreciate that feedback. 00:08:13.890 --> 00:08:19.530 - Is there anyone else in the room here who would like to give public comment? A point of clarification, 00:08:19.530 --> 00:08:25.114 - if I can just. Sure. This is the only opportunity for someone to speak about the resolution, dash 04, 00:08:25.114 --> 00:08:30.863 - that we're going to be discussing later. At that point, there will be no public comment. That's correct. 00:08:30.863 --> 00:08:36.393 - OK. So if there is anyone who wants to make a comment, now would be the time. Yes. Thank you. That's 00:08:36.393 --> 00:08:37.598 - a good clarification. 00:08:43.682 --> 00:08:53.565 - Okay, I'm not seeing any more activity in the room. Is there anybody else on Zoom who would like to 00:08:53.565 --> 00:09:03.546 - make public comment? Okay, I'm not seeing any activity there. Great, well thank you so much for that 00:09:03.546 --> 00:09:12.638 - comment. That'll bring us on to commissioner reports. So we'll do the chair's report first. 00:09:13.314 --> 00:09:19.677 - So a few things to go over here. Organizational updates on the report itself. You can see the org chart 00:09:19.677 --> 00:09:25.978 - there. There's not a whole lot that's new. This meeting that wasn't there last meeting just except for 00:09:25.978 --> 00:09:32.279 - the officer slate is of course new because we held officer elections at our last meeting. We currently 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:36.990 - have two vacancies and so we've got 12 of the 14 seats filled at the moment. 00:09:37.346 --> 00:09:43.648 - the O'Neill school capstone project on sustainable energy utilities. We've got a final presentation 00:09:43.648 --> 00:09:50.202 - on that coming up later this month on Tuesday, April 28th, from 530 to 630 in council chambers. So it's 00:09:50.202 --> 00:09:56.692 - a Tuesday evening, but it's a slightly different time than usual, a slightly different week than usual 00:09:56.692 --> 00:10:03.309 - and a fairly different location than usual. It's just right down the hall. So we're expecting to receive 00:10:03.309 --> 00:10:06.334 - the presentation on the final report from that. 00:10:06.530 --> 00:10:12.673 - and also an opportunity to maybe ask some questions as well. I sent out a survey to folks asking if 00:10:12.673 --> 00:10:18.877 - they'd be available for that slot so that we could guarantee that we would have a quorum for that. I 00:10:18.877 --> 00:10:25.081 - heard back from eight people and they all said that they could make it. So that means we should have 00:10:25.081 --> 00:10:31.286 - a quorum, but of course I haven't heard from everybody. So if you're able to make it, please do plan 00:10:31.286 --> 00:10:34.910 - for that. And I'll send out a public notice here this week 00:10:35.074 --> 00:10:42.277 - for that special meeting. And if you know that you are not able to make it, please also let me know 00:10:42.277 --> 00:10:49.552 - so I can keep track of that. Yeah. Send out that survey to anybody who didn't respond. Sure. In case 00:10:49.552 --> 00:10:57.043 - people forgot whether they responded or not. Yeah, yes. Yes, I can absolutely do that. Yeah. Or I could 00:10:57.043 --> 00:11:04.606 - just send out the notice and anyone who knows that they won't be able to make it can email me, you know. 00:11:04.802 --> 00:11:12.586 - But yeah. Just asking for a friend. That's very kind, yeah. I'm sure it didn't get buried under a pile 00:11:12.586 --> 00:11:20.143 - of emails. We don't get emails that much, right? Okay, good. But yeah, very much looking forward to 00:11:20.143 --> 00:11:27.776 - hearing that report. I assume we're still on for that, Alex. Haven't heard anything to the contrary? 00:11:27.776 --> 00:11:33.822 - I have not heard anything to the contrary. Okay, no news is good news. Perfect. 00:11:34.114 --> 00:11:40.154 - I just wanted to mention for resolution 2026-02, which we passed at our last meeting, which was about 00:11:40.154 --> 00:11:46.252 - the automated license plate reader technology. That resolution has been transmitted to all the offices 00:11:46.252 --> 00:11:52.233 - that were listed in the resolution. Actually save one, which is the Monroe County Sheriff. I went to 00:11:52.233 --> 00:11:58.154 - the website and tried to find the email address there and I could not find one. That seemed like an 00:11:58.154 --> 00:12:02.654 - obvious one. So I'm still digging for that. If anybody has it, let me know. 00:12:03.202 --> 00:12:10.348 - probably like sheriff at code up on road or something but okay like their party connection but I'm not 00:12:10.348 --> 00:12:17.425 - sure it gets to okay perfect appreciate that and just for everyone's awareness as well just wanted to 00:12:17.425 --> 00:12:21.726 - point out that you know City Council had a resolution 2026-04 00:12:21.890 --> 00:12:27.216 - Um, you know, which came out a couple of weeks or a month or something before we passed ours. Um, and 00:12:27.216 --> 00:12:32.542 - part of that resolution called on the, um, Bloomington chief of police and the office of the mayor to 00:12:32.542 --> 00:12:38.077 - provide a written information packet. Um, by I think April 15th, it was, it was like a six week timeline. 00:12:38.077 --> 00:12:43.298 - Um, so I think April 15th is that, that timeline, um, which goes over, you know, the contract terms 00:12:43.298 --> 00:12:48.520 - and the cost data retention, these sorts of things. Um, and I think, uh, that there's going to be a 00:12:48.520 --> 00:12:49.982 - public briefing about that. 00:12:50.178 --> 00:12:56.176 - at the council's meeting at April 22nd, but I know the council hasn't put out their agenda for that 00:12:56.176 --> 00:13:02.415 - yet, so don't quote me on that. But if that's something you're interested in following along with, just 00:13:02.415 --> 00:13:05.534 - keep an eye out for that. I want to put out a call. 00:13:06.306 --> 00:13:12.913 - related to a different flock resolution, not the one we passed last time, not about surveillance technology, 00:13:12.913 --> 00:13:19.095 - but about chickens. So this was resolution 2025-01, which we passed last year. It was titled to adopt 00:13:19.095 --> 00:13:25.459 - a scalable poultry flock size model. And it basically recommended to the city that folks who have larger 00:13:25.459 --> 00:13:31.096 - properties be allowed to keep more chickens than they're currently able to. And so we passed 00:13:31.096 --> 00:13:33.278 - that recommendation, but it hasn't, 00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:39.773 - come up in an ordinance form or anything like that. So what we'd like to do try to make it as easy as 00:13:39.773 --> 00:13:45.976 - possible for city council would be to try to draft that sort of ordinance language and then send that 00:13:45.976 --> 00:13:52.300 - over to them. So I'm hoping I can find a volunteer here at this table that would be willing to dig into 00:13:52.300 --> 00:13:58.868 - what that resolution says and into the municipal code and the UDO and try to just identify all the sections 00:13:58.868 --> 00:14:03.550 - there that we would need to change the language to allow for this to happen. 00:14:03.650 --> 00:14:09.683 - Is anyone here interested in doing something like that? And I wasn't looking at you because I was trying 00:14:09.683 --> 00:14:15.429 - to make it happen, but okay, great. Appreciate that, yeah. Once we know exactly where those changes 00:14:15.429 --> 00:14:21.348 - would have to be made, then we can work out what language we'd actually want to put into a draft form, 00:14:21.348 --> 00:14:27.323 - and then maybe we can shop around some of the relevant departments and stuff just to get some more eyes 00:14:27.323 --> 00:14:31.518 - on it before we send it, yeah. I cannot take on writing this, but having 00:14:31.714 --> 00:14:40.489 - just applied for a chicken permit. I know I can send you all the relevant documentation and code. Excellent. 00:14:40.489 --> 00:14:48.861 - Okay, perfect. Thank you. Okay, great. And then just a few internal updates, ongoing projects and stuff 00:14:48.861 --> 00:14:56.670 - like this. So the 2026 strategic planning retreat and the 2025 angle report have sort of been on 00:14:56.770 --> 00:15:03.496 - My list of things that I keep saying is almost done and ready to go. So apologies that it hasn't been 00:15:03.496 --> 00:15:10.222 - done yet. But I will make these two a very high, high up priority to get out the door before our next 00:15:10.222 --> 00:15:16.222 - meeting. We will do a strategic planning retreat. Still just have to work out the details. 00:15:16.930 --> 00:15:22.159 - A couple other things that have sort of been on the back burner for a while now, some sort of commissioners 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:27.001 - handbook slash onboarding materials that folks can use to reference, you know, have everything kind 00:15:27.001 --> 00:15:31.988 - of in one place, things like bylaws and best practices, things like this. And bylaws reform is another 00:15:31.988 --> 00:15:35.038 - one that we've been talking about for a while and just haven't 00:15:35.234 --> 00:15:41.806 - quite gotten to yet. And that's made even more relevant now that the municipal code numbers have changed 00:15:41.806 --> 00:15:48.252 - and the parts of the code that refer to our commission are in a different place now. So the bylaws are 00:15:48.252 --> 00:15:54.886 - extra, extra out of date and ready for a revamp. So stay tuned for more on that front. And we'll probably 00:15:54.886 --> 00:16:01.145 - be asking for more volunteers to help write these sections of that sort of thing. Okay, so finally, 00:16:01.145 --> 00:16:05.150 - getting down to sort of external updates. These are mostly just 00:16:05.986 --> 00:16:13.164 - for folks awareness type stuff. There's been a lot of work on the Hopewell South PUD, specifically at 00:16:13.164 --> 00:16:20.413 - the moment. This housing policy and zoning policy is something that we've talked about as a commission 00:16:20.413 --> 00:16:27.520 - before, wanting to be more involved in, wanting to understand a little bit better. It was one of our 00:16:27.520 --> 00:16:34.206 - priority areas back in 2025. And so I just wanted to point this out as something that's a very 00:16:34.722 --> 00:16:40.555 - prescient and, you know, fast-moving topic, it's probably just good to pay attention to. So I know the 00:16:40.555 --> 00:16:45.991 - next two council meetings, there's a special deliberative session, I think, tomorrow, and then, 00:16:45.991 --> 00:16:51.881 - you know, the following week on April 22nd, I think this is going to be on the agenda for those council 00:16:51.881 --> 00:16:56.638 - meetings, so it's probably worth following along with for folks who are interested. 00:16:57.186 --> 00:17:02.518 - The mayor recently gave a State of the City address, so definitely encourage all commissioners to watch 00:17:02.518 --> 00:17:07.850 - the recording of that if you weren't there or you haven't seen it yet, just to stay in the loop on that 00:17:07.850 --> 00:17:13.029 - sort of thing. And then I was just reading about Bloomington Transit considering merging a couple of 00:17:13.029 --> 00:17:18.566 - routes and expanding some of their microtransit capabilities, and this was in the context of year-over-year 00:17:18.566 --> 00:17:23.744 - ridership declines that they've been seeing. So as we think about sustainability and transit being a 00:17:23.744 --> 00:17:26.718 - part of that, I think this is also something that's worth 00:17:27.138 --> 00:17:33.818 - at least flight following, right? And then a couple other just MISC reminders and notes that we've had 00:17:33.818 --> 00:17:40.369 - up there, a couple items there that we've had for a few weeks, the compost bin and rain barrel sale, 00:17:40.369 --> 00:17:46.854 - which I think is still going on. But last I checked at least, this is sort of the last call. So the 00:17:46.854 --> 00:17:51.070 - order deadline is tomorrow and pick up dates the week following. 00:17:51.298 --> 00:17:57.980 - Bloomington Energy Works website is linked up there. And then the new one this time is that early voting 00:17:57.980 --> 00:18:04.536 - has begun for the May 5th election, primary election. So obviously, you know, democratic participation 00:18:04.536 --> 00:18:10.964 - is good for social and civic sustainability. So if you haven't gotten out to vote yet, please make a 00:18:10.964 --> 00:18:17.328 - plan to do so. And also note that there is a new location for early voting, which is right down the 00:18:17.328 --> 00:18:20.510 - hallway here in the county side of this building. 00:18:21.058 --> 00:18:27.589 - If you haven't seen all the signs already, you probably will, walking out of here tonight. 00:18:27.589 --> 00:18:34.767 - And then as always, I just link various resources that you can follow. So that's it for, oh, that's 00:18:34.767 --> 00:18:42.160 - not it for the chair's report. I was also going to mention Earth Day, which is happening at Switchyard 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:50.270 - Park April 18th, I believe. Starting at, I forget exactly what time, but. 12.30 to four is the advertising time. 00:18:50.466 --> 00:18:57.440 - at noon to 3.30. Noon to 3.30, okay. Yeah, perfect, perfect. So we'll hear that a couple times, thankfully. 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.898 - Yes, and so we are participating. Tara's been helping get some of the materials together, and Jolie 00:19:03.898 --> 00:19:10.355 - as well. Jolie has done everything. I really appreciate Jolie's help. She moved mountains to get us 00:19:10.355 --> 00:19:16.813 - some necessary supplies and things. I just need to make sure that there's folks that will be there. 00:19:16.813 --> 00:19:18.750 - I'll be there in the morning. 00:19:18.882 --> 00:19:25.815 - For the beginning, I just can't stay the whole day. So I just need to volunteer to take the tablecloth 00:19:25.815 --> 00:19:32.748 - and any remaining things. Okay, great. Thank you Okay, thank you. Yeah, Julie like she saved us. Thank 00:19:32.748 --> 00:19:39.613 - you because I did a bad job Yeah, I know at some of the other meetings Dan some other folks said they 00:19:39.613 --> 00:19:46.613 - could be there I just want to make sure there's somebody who can be there at the end of the day so that 00:19:46.613 --> 00:19:48.094 - our stuff doesn't get 00:19:48.610 --> 00:19:55.166 - swept into our branding data block doesn't get trashed. Yeah, exactly. OK, so perfect. So that's going 00:19:55.166 --> 00:20:01.148 - to be Zach. I got volunteer to be there. OK, perfect. So there'll be someone to take it away. 00:20:01.148 --> 00:20:08.022 - And I know, yeah, Diana had mentioned also helping out. But it sounds like we've got at least the beginning 00:20:08.022 --> 00:20:14.577 - and the end covered. So it should be good on that front. Perfect. Well, thank you very much. And yeah, 00:20:14.577 --> 00:20:18.078 - Quentin. I just had just a quick miscellaneous update. 00:20:18.530 --> 00:20:24.755 - I used to have an annual sustainability symposium next Wednesday, three to five. I want to personally 00:20:24.755 --> 00:20:30.980 - invite all the commissioners and everybody involved in making this group happen. So feel free to jump 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:37.143 - on the website, sustain.iu.edu. There's still some spots left. Perfect. Having gone for six or seven 00:20:37.143 --> 00:20:43.490 - years besides COVID is well worth going. The students are doing great work. So I won't be there because 00:20:43.490 --> 00:20:44.894 - I'll be in Costa Rica. 00:20:45.090 --> 00:20:51.137 - Nice. That's what we'll hear about that later. Yeah. Perfect. Well, thank you very much. Yeah. And thank 00:20:51.137 --> 00:20:57.068 - you guys. Thank you, Jolie, for all the help getting this together. It's good to have a presence there 00:20:57.068 --> 00:21:03.230 - for the second year in a row. Get the word out. OK. Any questions on the chair's report before we move on? 00:21:06.146 --> 00:21:12.669 - then I'll pass it over to you Matt for Waste Management Working Group updates. So a couple quick updates. 00:21:12.669 --> 00:21:19.131 - Wanted to let everyone know the Waste Reduction District has a really simple and easily accessible grant 00:21:19.131 --> 00:21:25.470 - that closes May 15th for sustainability and waste reduction. They have $17,000 left. There was already 00:21:25.470 --> 00:21:31.993 - one that was approved for $3,000 and we got it reopened. So once again, it's very simple, very forgiving, 00:21:31.993 --> 00:21:34.270 - very easy. So please look into that. 00:21:34.626 --> 00:21:42.634 - And then I wanted to let everybody know about a local company that is 3D printing, working on 3D printing 00:21:42.634 --> 00:21:50.188 - homes called TerranRobotics.ai. Ryan Zaricki, who is the former owner of Wholesun Solar, is working 00:21:50.188 --> 00:21:57.818 - in that. It is a startup. They have 20 employees. And they are hoping to expand sometime soon. Turns 00:21:57.818 --> 00:22:03.710 - out that they're getting advice and whatnot from a company named Icon down in 00:22:03.906 --> 00:22:10.627 - Austin, Texas, who turns out the CEO I worked with when I lived down there. So a local company and they 00:22:10.627 --> 00:22:17.090 - remember the Cobb Bench project. It works in Cobb and stuff like that. So they might be proposing a 00:22:17.090 --> 00:22:23.812 - neighborhood grant to try and reopen that as well. But I thought it was really, really interesting that 00:22:23.812 --> 00:22:30.791 - we have a local startup that is doing 3D printing within that Cobb world. And then this is my last meeting. 00:22:30.791 --> 00:22:33.118 - City Council has not gotten back to 00:22:33.442 --> 00:22:42.297 - Either fill my seat or fill it with me, so I'll be sitting in the cheap seats next month. That is a 00:22:42.297 --> 00:22:51.506 - Monroe County grant. Thank you for that clarification. Is the grant for residents or for organizations? 00:22:51.506 --> 00:23:00.627 - All of the above. Yeah. I think it's a max of $5,000, but it's a very simple form. And the date is May 00:23:00.627 --> 00:23:02.398 - 15 to get it in by. 00:23:04.898 --> 00:23:13.296 - you'll find on the Waste Reduction District's website. And that's it for me. Perfect. Any other questions 00:23:13.296 --> 00:23:20.823 - for Matt? OK. And I'll just say, if this is your last meeting in the Chief Seats, as you said, 00:23:20.823 --> 00:23:28.983 - next month, just wanted to say thank you for all the work that you've done for the commission over the 00:23:28.983 --> 00:23:34.846 - years. When I first got here, and I can't remember exactly when that was, 00:23:35.042 --> 00:23:40.847 - a few years ago. Looking around the room, there's three people in here, myself included, who 00:23:40.847 --> 00:23:47.090 - were commissioners at that time. Matt was one of them, and Sean was one of them as well. So, you've 00:23:47.090 --> 00:23:53.520 - been doing this for a while, and this is something that you've been very passionate about for a while. 00:23:53.520 --> 00:24:00.137 - I appreciate you bringing that to us. All right. That brings us to our Council ex officio report. Council 00:24:00.137 --> 00:24:01.822 - Member Rallo, over to you. 00:24:04.450 --> 00:24:13.386 - Yes, thanks, Justin. I just wanted to follow up on what you'd already announced, which is our deliberation 00:24:13.386 --> 00:24:21.987 - session tomorrow evening, which is April 15th from 630 to 930. Deliberation sessions function to allow 00:24:21.987 --> 00:24:30.338 - us to do a deep dive on topics. And the topic tomorrow is, as Justin mentioned, is the continuation 00:24:30.338 --> 00:24:34.430 - of the council's discussion on the Hopewell PUD. 00:24:35.810 --> 00:24:43.951 - which has been presented by the administration, but the petitioner is the RDC, the Redevelopment Commission. 00:24:43.951 --> 00:24:52.091 - And this will be a joint session with the RDC to discuss, there'll be a presentation from the, I understand, 00:24:52.091 --> 00:24:59.709 - from the consultant, Glenlock Lab, and then we'll have further discussion on the remaining reasonable 00:24:59.709 --> 00:25:05.086 - conditions that are brought forward by my colleagues. I don't have any, 00:25:06.498 --> 00:25:14.137 - of them there are eight remaining and you can find out more about this at our website loomington.in.gov 00:25:14.137 --> 00:25:21.629 - slash council and go to the sidebar and you'll see the meeting announcement you can click on that and 00:25:21.629 --> 00:25:29.048 - you can download the packet the packet has a number of slides in it and so it's very descriptive and 00:25:29.048 --> 00:25:35.806 - you can find out the details there of what we'll be discussing and you're of course welcome 00:25:38.530 --> 00:25:47.818 - mention one other thing. Three years ago, I brought a resolution to the Council on the existential threat 00:25:47.818 --> 00:25:56.580 - of artificial general intelligence. And it's still a passion of mine to try to elevate the salience 00:25:56.580 --> 00:26:01.662 - of that topic to the public. And I gave a talk on it last 00:26:07.682 --> 00:26:16.087 - And I'm happy to do a abbreviated presentation, shortened one, for because if you're interested. At 00:26:16.087 --> 00:26:24.743 - some point. I would love that for something. That would be very interesting. That's all I got, Justin. 00:26:24.743 --> 00:26:33.905 - If there are any questions, anybody have any questions, let me know. I should say the reasonable conditions, 00:26:33.905 --> 00:26:36.510 - they focus on the streetscape. 00:26:40.610 --> 00:26:53.074 - And to accommodate a tree plot, narrowing the lanes, a wider sidewalk on Roger Street, and then a discussion 00:26:53.074 --> 00:27:05.310 - on increasing, our proposition is to increase the affordability of the units there. I did have a question. 00:27:06.370 --> 00:27:13.368 - Um, has the council hired a lawyer for the reasonable conditions of dispute with the administration? 00:27:13.368 --> 00:27:20.435 - Yeah, we did. I mean, that unfortunate was kind of a hang up. Um, and we did, we did hire an attorney 00:27:20.435 --> 00:27:27.641 - and outside firm that, um, that represented us. We had a discussion, um, a couple of weeks ago on that. 00:27:27.641 --> 00:27:35.055 - Uh, they affirmed that we had, um, the right to offer reasonable conditions. Of course, the administration 00:27:35.055 --> 00:27:36.094 - or the agency. 00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:45.333 - right to turn them down and and so that's what we do we do have that ability as we have for a long time 00:27:45.333 --> 00:27:54.046 - and that was important to me because you know this process I've been through a lot of PVs and they've 00:27:54.046 --> 00:28:03.185 - been improved by that process take for instance Hillside and Henderson which is a really nice neighborhood 00:28:03.185 --> 00:28:05.406 - activity center there are 00:28:05.826 --> 00:28:13.796 - things that occurred there that happened that were required by council. And we negotiate with the developer 00:28:13.796 --> 00:28:21.471 - on that. So it's something that we are allowed to do and that has been effective. And so I'm happy that 00:28:21.471 --> 00:28:29.220 - the attorney, you know, affirmed that. And by the way, Justin, you know, I'm still very much and several 00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:35.198 - of my colleagues are aware of the, you know, readdressing the chicken ordinance. 00:28:35.810 --> 00:28:42.701 - It's just that we're we don't have an attorney right now. We're going to hire one in interim. There's 00:28:42.701 --> 00:28:49.456 - an advertisement out for our counsel attorney, but without one, we've been really, you know, had to 00:28:49.456 --> 00:28:56.482 - scale back the amount of legislation that we've been bringing forward. So it's it's not that that topic 00:28:56.482 --> 00:29:03.372 - isn't important to us, but I think we look forward to working with a member of the commission on that 00:29:03.372 --> 00:29:04.318 - once we get a 00:29:06.082 --> 00:29:13.318 - Yeah, absolutely. And in the meantime, we can try to get into as good a shape as we possibly can so 00:29:13.318 --> 00:29:20.989 - that once we're at that point, then we're kind of ready to roll with it. Yeah. Great. That's appreciated. 00:29:20.989 --> 00:29:28.297 - Any further questions for Councilmember Rall? All right. Hearing none, that will now bring us to the 00:29:28.297 --> 00:29:34.014 - staff liaison's report. Shawn? Thank you. So yeah, Earth Day is this Saturday. 00:29:35.266 --> 00:29:40.942 - From Noon to 330 at Switchyard Park, we're going to have over 30 vendors. We're going to have four food 00:29:40.942 --> 00:29:46.509 - trucks. There's going to be a sand mandala that's part of trying to ease climate anxiety. That's with 00:29:46.509 --> 00:29:52.022 - Artists for Climate Awareness, so I think that'll be really cool. We're going to be giving away free 00:29:52.022 --> 00:29:57.644 - trees. There's going to be face painters. So there's going to be something there for everybody. So I'd 00:29:57.644 --> 00:30:00.318 - love to see everybody there. Canopy Bloomington. 00:30:00.610 --> 00:30:06.752 - planted nearly 20 trees in the Walnut Woods neighborhood and surrounding areas as part of ESD's cool 00:30:06.752 --> 00:30:12.894 - corridor grant that we provided to them. So really excited to see that in place. And if you go along 00:30:12.894 --> 00:30:19.036 - Miller Drive, you can see that as a true cool corridor where we planted trees along the sidewalk and 00:30:19.036 --> 00:30:25.361 - ESD installed a bus stop shelter on Miller Drive as well. So that helps to reduce the impact of extreme 00:30:25.361 --> 00:30:28.766 - heat and get people shade during the hot summer months. 00:30:29.474 --> 00:30:35.814 - So that's a great program. We love to see it implemented, and we hope to continue. Bloomington Energy 00:30:35.814 --> 00:30:42.154 - Works, that program is coming to a close. We will be providing, we will be submitting tomorrow to the 00:30:42.154 --> 00:30:48.681 - Coalition for Green Capital our clean energy public-private partnership plan. We gathered projects worth 00:30:48.681 --> 00:30:55.021 - an estimated total of $60 million. These projects were from actual solar designs completed by Donovan 00:30:55.021 --> 00:30:58.750 - Energy, and also estimated solar projects that we gathered. 00:30:59.170 --> 00:31:05.710 - So the entire purpose of this program is to potentially bring low-cost finance capital to Monroe County 00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:12.313 - for project implementation. So keep your fingers crossed. Donovan Energy is still completing some energy 00:31:12.313 --> 00:31:18.601 - audits for some buildings. We had some applications that were submitted at the final hour. So those 00:31:18.601 --> 00:31:25.016 - will be completed by the end of this month, and we'll be updating the P3 plan and submitting again at 00:31:25.016 --> 00:31:26.462 - the end of this month. 00:31:26.946 --> 00:31:33.312 - Some of those projects are providing a level two ashray energy audit to the Monroe County School Corporation 00:31:33.312 --> 00:31:39.270 - for Bloomington High School South. That is a significant building and they are extremely thankful for 00:31:39.270 --> 00:31:45.227 - that energy audit. So I'm really happy with the success of that program. Electrify Indiana, they have 00:31:45.227 --> 00:31:51.185 - been amazing, an amazing partner to work with. They've worked really hard. They have knocked on over, 00:31:51.185 --> 00:31:53.054 - I believe now it's 5,000 doors. 00:31:53.410 --> 00:32:00.917 - We're at just shy of $6,500. $6,500. Okay. Wonderful. And lots of presentations, lots of engagement. 00:32:00.917 --> 00:32:08.498 - So really getting the word out there about the benefits of energy efficiency and renewable energy. So 00:32:08.498 --> 00:32:16.079 - that's all I have. I have plenty more, but that's enough. That's fantastic. I would love some details 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.870 - on the final POW results. I mean, maybe just like, 00:32:20.066 --> 00:32:27.296 - That's going to be a newsletter update that comes through that project. But maybe next month after reports 00:32:27.296 --> 00:32:34.256 - are submitted and things as part of this. You said $61 million? I'm sorry. Yeah, over $60 million with 00:32:34.256 --> 00:32:41.148 - the project. I just have a quick question, too. The climate change inventory, I'm just wondering, are 00:32:41.148 --> 00:32:47.838 - we still waiting on Duke? We're not waiting on Duke any longer. But we had to request climate now. 00:32:47.938 --> 00:32:55.442 - to make their report accessible. So that's a heavy lift. So we're working on that. And I have provided 00:32:55.442 --> 00:33:03.019 - initial feedback from a draft that he sent to me, but we're not going to publish until it's accessible. 00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:10.451 - And I've asked Wes if he could give a presentation. We will be giving a presentation to city council. 00:33:10.451 --> 00:33:13.438 - Excellent. Any other questions for Sean? 00:33:20.194 --> 00:33:26.612 - hearing none. We don't have any discussions that are not the subject of the resolution tonight. So that 00:33:26.612 --> 00:33:32.969 - brings us on the amended agenda to resolutions for second reading. We'll start with resolution 2026-04 00:33:32.969 --> 00:33:39.141 - against the use of glyphosate in Bloomington's public spaces and environmental practices. So as you 00:33:39.141 --> 00:33:45.436 - all know, the public has taken a significant interest in this topic, and that is great to see. I want 00:33:45.436 --> 00:33:49.694 - to thank everyone who's reached out to share their thoughts with us. 00:33:49.826 --> 00:33:55.623 - You know, we are an advisory body. Part of our mission is to make informed recommendations to council, 00:33:55.623 --> 00:34:01.589 - to the mayor, to other entities in the city. And so as a commission, we really do rely on the Bloomington 00:34:01.589 --> 00:34:07.443 - community to help guide our thinking about sustainability issues and to help educate us on issues where 00:34:07.443 --> 00:34:13.240 - we don't have widespread in-house expertise so that we can make those recommendations from an informed 00:34:13.240 --> 00:34:17.630 - position. So again, just want to thank everyone who's reached out about this. 00:34:17.762 --> 00:34:24.352 - I want to say a few words about the format of this before we get moving with it. We're going to do things 00:34:24.352 --> 00:34:30.569 - a little bit differently than we have for most other resolutions in the past. So we'll be joined by 00:34:30.569 --> 00:34:36.786 - two subject matter experts today. In a moment, I'll ask them to come to the table to participate in 00:34:36.786 --> 00:34:43.998 - a Q&A discussion with commissioners. So after brief introductions, I'll open up the floor for the commission to ask 00:34:44.290 --> 00:34:50.619 - who asks questions, questions that are pertinent to the topic at hand, specifically glyphosate use within 00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:56.948 - the city of Bloomington. And whatever questions will help you make an informed decision on the resolution 00:34:56.948 --> 00:35:03.217 - here. So as always, we want to be sort of cognizant of time. So we should try to go about it in a fairly 00:35:03.217 --> 00:35:09.248 - orderly way. So I'll ask commissioners to just indicate to me that you'd like to ask a question, and 00:35:09.248 --> 00:35:12.830 - then I'll try to keep a tally of in what order we're going. 00:35:13.378 --> 00:35:26.794 - and yes okay well we don't have a public comment section for the resolution we're already past the public 00:35:26.794 --> 00:35:33.502 - comment phase but yeah thank you for mentioning that 00:35:34.178 --> 00:35:40.147 - Yeah, so I would just ask that try to focus on one question at a time during that section, and we'll 00:35:40.147 --> 00:35:46.174 - try to just take turns so everyone gets the opportunity to ask if they have a question that they want 00:35:46.174 --> 00:35:52.556 - to ask. So I will point out from a procedural standpoint here that we haven't actually moved the resolution 00:35:52.556 --> 00:35:58.643 - yet, which means we haven't started deliberation on it. So, you know, the Q&A period is an opportunity 00:35:58.643 --> 00:36:02.366 - just to ask questions, but not a space for actually discussing 00:36:02.626 --> 00:36:08.981 - thoughts on the topic or the merits of the resolution, that sort of thing. Once we're done with the 00:36:08.981 --> 00:36:15.780 - Q&A, we'll actually move and ask for a second, and then we'll enter the deliberation phase we can discuss. 00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:22.389 - Let's see. Okay, so before we get started on that, are there any questions from the commissioners about 00:36:22.389 --> 00:36:25.566 - sort of how the process will play out here? Okay. 00:36:25.666 --> 00:36:31.619 - Perfect. Then I'd like to invite up our two subject matter experts, if they're with us in the gallery, 00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:37.513 - to come on up. Justin, I'm sorry. Can I just briefly say, I just want to disclose for the record that 00:36:37.513 --> 00:36:43.351 - my husband works for Parks and Recreation and he applies glyphosate. That's part of his job. I don't 00:36:43.351 --> 00:36:49.534 - see any financial benefit or negative that I would be getting out of this resolution, so I wasn't planning 00:36:49.534 --> 00:36:55.198 - on recusing myself. If anyone disagrees or thinks I should, I will recuse myself. So just say so. 00:36:55.970 --> 00:37:01.247 - And I will do so. But otherwise, just want to just close that for the record. Perfect. All right. Thank 00:37:01.247 --> 00:37:06.473 - you very much. Great. So first, let me welcome you here. And thank you for taking the time out of your 00:37:06.473 --> 00:37:11.546 - evening to be with us. I know there's probably a million other ways you could be spending your time 00:37:11.546 --> 00:37:16.823 - right now. But we really appreciate having you here to answer some of our questions. So to start, could 00:37:16.823 --> 00:37:22.150 - you please introduce yourself by stating your name for the record and giving us just a brief description 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:25.854 - of your background and expertise as it relates to the use of glyphosate? 00:37:26.146 --> 00:37:33.589 - glyphosate, and we'll start here on my right. Hi. Thank you, Justin. Of course. My name is Ellen Jaycart. 00:37:33.589 --> 00:37:40.892 - I am president of MCIRS, the Monroe County Identify and Reduce Invasive Species Group, started 17 years 00:37:40.892 --> 00:37:48.195 - ago. My career before I retired, I was the first botanist for the Hoosier National Forest. I then spent 00:37:48.195 --> 00:37:52.830 - most of the rest of my career working for the nature conservancy. 00:37:53.250 --> 00:37:59.245 - directing the management of all the nature preserves in Indiana. And about half of that's prescribed 00:37:59.245 --> 00:38:05.597 - fire. And the other half is invasive species control. So I developed the policies, strategies, and tactics 00:38:05.597 --> 00:38:11.651 - for dealing with invasive species control on a large scale. And increasingly over the years, I worked 00:38:11.651 --> 00:38:17.647 - with other organizations and agencies to help them with their policies, strategies, and tactics. And 00:38:17.647 --> 00:38:20.318 - 10 years ago, delightfully, I got to retire. 00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:28.930 - So at that point, I put more energy into MC Iris. And one of the things I think that really developed 00:38:28.930 --> 00:38:36.353 - and evolved since then was our relationship with City of Bloomington Parks and Recreation. 00:38:36.353 --> 00:38:44.591 - And that has been, I think, one of the strongest foundations of our group. And how delightful it was 00:38:44.591 --> 00:38:47.038 - for me to find an agency that 00:38:47.202 --> 00:38:55.064 - dealt with herbicides in such a thoughtful manner, committed to integrative pest management, and working 00:38:55.064 --> 00:39:02.927 - with them has been absolutely wonderful and co-leading volunteer days and teaching people about invasive 00:39:02.927 --> 00:39:10.789 - ID and control. And so that's why I was so troubled by the content of the resolution and wanted to speak 00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:15.806 - up and just be able to help answer any questions you might have on 00:39:15.938 --> 00:39:22.335 - why we believe that glyphosate is a really important tool in the toolbox, and it would be devastating 00:39:22.335 --> 00:39:28.669 - to lose it. Well, thank you very much, and welcome, and Mary will go to you next. Hi, everybody. I'm 00:39:28.669 --> 00:39:34.940 - Mary Wells. I am the Natural Resources Manager with the Wilmington Park for Recreation. Ironically, 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:39.518 - today is my one-year anniversary job. Congratulations to everybody here. 00:39:40.066 --> 00:39:48.819 - Prior to being at parts, I was in the nonprofit sector. I was worked at as an invasive species specialist 00:39:48.819 --> 00:39:57.325 - with State of Indiana Cooperative Invasive Management, helping to establish groups like MCR, which are 00:39:57.325 --> 00:40:05.830 - known as Cooperative Invasive Species Management Areas throughout Indiana, so in my region of service. 00:40:05.830 --> 00:40:08.638 - I also worked as a pollinator for 00:40:08.834 --> 00:40:16.886 - Pollinator Habitat Specialist for Pollinator Partnership, which is a semi-multinational organization 00:40:16.886 --> 00:40:24.858 - based in San Francisco. So working with landowners in that capacity to salvage habitat, a lot of it 00:40:24.858 --> 00:40:32.830 - involving the use of herbicides like glyphosate. And also an avid member of NCIRUS involved locally 00:40:32.830 --> 00:40:37.534 - throughout the years. I'm just very thankful to have Ellen 00:40:37.762 --> 00:40:44.320 - the leader of that organization. And then before that, I also worked as office manager and involved 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:51.338 - in the native plant nursery over at Ecologic. I also worked for a couple years as the education specialist 00:40:51.338 --> 00:40:58.093 - or director at Sycamore Land Trust. So involving volunteers in invasive species control and other land 00:40:58.093 --> 00:41:05.438 - stewardship, often using glyphosate while we're working on projects. So yeah, just a passion for taking care of 00:41:05.794 --> 00:41:13.799 - our natural areas get a good steward of the land, so to speak. Perfect. Well, thank you. And thank you 00:41:13.799 --> 00:41:21.648 - both, again, for being here. So I will turn it over to commissioners now for questions. Who wants to 00:41:21.648 --> 00:41:29.575 - go first? Alex? I think mainly for Mary. If this is way too much or impossible, I understand. But can 00:41:29.575 --> 00:41:32.606 - you give fairly comprehensive examples 00:41:32.770 --> 00:41:40.831 - where the city, what types of situations the city uses climate safety in? Yeah, for first and foremost, 00:41:40.831 --> 00:41:48.659 - I can only speak for parks, recreation, and specifically on behalf of the operations division, which 00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:56.409 - my natural resources forces area is within. And I will speak only to natural resource management as 00:41:56.409 --> 00:41:59.742 - there may be other uses of climate safety. 00:41:59.938 --> 00:42:07.291 - even with an operations division. And before I continue, I also want to acknowledge that our integrated 00:42:07.291 --> 00:42:14.715 - pest management coordinator, Joanna Sparks, who's our marine space manager, is also present in the room. 00:42:14.715 --> 00:42:22.210 - So we are using glyphosate specifically for non-selective control. It's a broad spectrum or reside that's 00:42:22.210 --> 00:42:27.230 - systemic, which is one of the reasons why it's such an important tool. 00:42:27.458 --> 00:42:35.556 - It doesn't just top kill, it gets down into the roots and then kind of ends its action as it binds the 00:42:35.556 --> 00:42:43.654 - soil particles and starts going through its half-life. So we are using it, a lot of our use, over half 00:42:43.654 --> 00:42:51.517 - of our use going back just the last few years is for cut stump applications on woody vegetation. So 00:42:51.517 --> 00:42:55.998 - it is considered a low volume, high concentration method 00:42:56.482 --> 00:43:04.459 - that is very targeted. And it's, you know, the woody vegetation is cut and immediately treated with 00:43:04.459 --> 00:43:12.675 - usually a 50% solution depending on the product. But mostly, I think, historically, our solutions have 00:43:12.675 --> 00:43:20.971 - been 50%, like to say, 50% water, using dye as an indicator, and then also putting up signage when it's 00:43:20.971 --> 00:43:25.438 - applied and also reporting that on our pesticide notice 00:43:25.634 --> 00:43:33.168 - interface online. Alternatively, we're also using it for spot foliar treatments. One of our more common 00:43:33.168 --> 00:43:40.557 - invasives are honeysuckles. So honeysuckle vines, honeysuckle shrubs, they don't respond well to some 00:43:40.557 --> 00:43:48.308 - of our broadleaf specific herbicides. So I'd like to say it tends to be the best tool for that. So without 00:43:48.308 --> 00:43:55.262 - that, we've challenged in our control of bush honeysuckle, which is probably one of our largest 00:43:55.458 --> 00:44:02.684 - invasive species problems in our natural areas here in Monroe County. So the foliar applications are 00:44:02.684 --> 00:44:10.053 - considered a high volume, low concentration. We're airing on the side of the lower concentration based 00:44:10.053 --> 00:44:17.422 - on the label. We're using surfactant and dye. Surfactant is a penetrant in order to penetrate the leaf 00:44:17.422 --> 00:44:24.862 - cuticle. And also, again, putting up our signage and posting it to our online pesticide reporting tool. 00:44:25.122 --> 00:44:32.162 - that answer your question, did you have additional information? We may also use glyphosate when we're 00:44:32.162 --> 00:44:39.341 - doing site prep for restoration areas, especially for restoring to seed. If we're doing cover crop seed 00:44:39.341 --> 00:44:46.381 - down, even for a seed planting or a nurse crop for a tree planting, all of those require seed to soil 00:44:46.381 --> 00:44:51.006 - contact. When you're restoring a quarter of an acre to five acres, 00:44:51.458 --> 00:44:59.221 - Glyphosate is a useful tool depending on what's the existing vegetation on site. I have a question. 00:44:59.221 --> 00:45:07.061 - So what would change in your day to day for either of you? If we pass something along the lines of a 00:45:07.061 --> 00:45:15.368 - ban, if the city passed a ban on glyphosate, but there was an exception for invasive aggressive non-native 00:45:15.368 --> 00:45:19.870 - plants, would that change anything about your day to day? 00:45:21.538 --> 00:45:31.013 - From my area, if that exception was in place, as long as it was not the factor for site prep, I don't 00:45:31.013 --> 00:45:40.859 - anticipate it. But I do anticipate that other challenges from a monetary standpoint, a safety standpoint, 00:45:40.859 --> 00:45:50.334 - from a natural resources standpoint, even in urban settings or green space areas, that there would be 00:45:50.498 --> 00:45:57.056 - negative impacts to restrict the use of glyphosate for other areas, but that's, I should say that I'm 00:45:57.056 --> 00:46:03.742 - speaking on outside of the area that I should be directly commenting on. But I guess I don't understand 00:46:03.742 --> 00:46:10.236 - what would change if you were allowed to use it for invasive plants, what would change specifically? 00:46:10.236 --> 00:46:16.922 - I'm just curious, I don't know. Nothing for my area. Okay. Yeah. All right, thank you. I'll say because 00:46:16.922 --> 00:46:17.758 - I've been in 00:46:17.890 --> 00:46:24.254 - Preparing for this, I talked with a professor in Florida who's dealt with a lot of glyphosate issues 00:46:24.254 --> 00:46:30.806 - there. As you know, some communities in Florida have attempted to ban glyphosate. And one of the things 00:46:30.806 --> 00:46:37.170 - that they saw was a great increase in lawsuits, largely because glyphosate was used to keep sidewalk 00:46:37.170 --> 00:46:43.975 - cracks clean. They had no other way to do that effectively. And there were a lot of slip and fall lawsuits. 00:46:43.975 --> 00:46:46.558 - And that changed how they dealt with it. 00:46:47.810 --> 00:46:55.950 - Okay, thank you. Does Lamington apply, I'd like to say, for grass? I'm not the best person to be talking 00:46:55.950 --> 00:47:04.477 - to you. And if we were to apply it on grass, I'd like to say it would kill the grass. So it's a non-selective 00:47:04.477 --> 00:47:13.004 - herbicide, so in that capacity, no, but for maintenance of sports fields, I can't think of that. Christopher? 00:47:13.004 --> 00:47:16.958 - I just had a couple of questions of clarification. 00:47:17.186 --> 00:47:24.665 - regarding your previous answer. So you described foliar use. Can you define that for the record? Yep. 00:47:24.665 --> 00:47:32.071 - So foliar spray is typically going to be a backpack applied by a single applicator with a wand spray 00:47:32.071 --> 00:47:39.623 - tip where they can adjust the spray nozzle to increase droplet size or reduce drift. Occasionally, for 00:47:39.623 --> 00:47:45.342 - those areas where we're doing site prep, there's two other broadcast methods. 00:47:45.538 --> 00:47:55.226 - that might be used on a larger spray tank. So running just a broadcast spray from a tank sprayer. Like 00:47:55.226 --> 00:48:04.820 - a truck or a compressor. Or behind an ATV or some sort of vehicle. And very rarely, I don't even know 00:48:04.820 --> 00:48:15.166 - if I have an example of this, because more unlikely we'd use a selective for tank spraying if we had a lot of 00:48:15.810 --> 00:48:23.556 - one thing and nothing else that was invasive. So thank you. You said 50% roughly application is, 00:48:23.556 --> 00:48:32.181 - so to speak, painted onto stems. Over 50%. Over 50%. So over half of the use of WebSA is direct application 00:48:32.181 --> 00:48:40.487 - to the stems of things like honeysuckle using a paintbrush or a similar applicator where it's not being 00:48:40.487 --> 00:48:45.598 - aerosolized. But roughly 50% to 60% is these other varieties of 00:48:45.762 --> 00:48:52.148 - broadcast application, would that include what you described as the sort of, you didn't use this word, 00:48:52.148 --> 00:48:58.409 - but correct me if I'm mistaken, like a suppressant land prep application, like you said, when you're 00:48:58.409 --> 00:49:04.795 - clearing out areas for restoration, which means basically bringing them back to zero in terms of flora 00:49:04.795 --> 00:49:11.118 - and fauna that are there, preemptive wheeling it down to kill seeds that might be invasives, planting 00:49:11.118 --> 00:49:13.598 - to grow up a more native area, correct? 00:49:13.858 --> 00:49:20.173 - Is that also an aerosolized? Is that sort of like an agricultural type application where you're broadcast 00:49:20.173 --> 00:49:26.549 - spraying across a plot of land? So for site prep, that broadcast application is very common. Occasionally, 00:49:26.549 --> 00:49:32.626 - we're able to be more targeted if there's some existing vegetation that's beneficial. And I would say 00:49:32.626 --> 00:49:38.762 - the term aerosolized may not be appropriate because there aren't pesticide applications that are truly 00:49:38.762 --> 00:49:41.086 - aerosolized from a plane, for example. 00:49:41.698 --> 00:49:49.494 - droplet-based application where managing droplet size is going to reduce drift. And also, I've heard 00:49:49.494 --> 00:49:57.830 - a lot of information in my statement where the steps we take to reduce drift off-target damage and negative 00:49:57.830 --> 00:50:06.011 - impacts to natural resources. I should also say that some of that foliar application is spot application. 00:50:06.011 --> 00:50:11.646 - And some of it is in response to, is a follow-up to cut stump treatment. 00:50:12.066 --> 00:50:18.352 - so that we're reducing target size. So a lot of times we're using mechanical or manual means to reduce 00:50:18.352 --> 00:50:24.578 - target size, allow vegetation to re-sprout, and then we have a smaller target, we're using a lot less 00:50:24.578 --> 00:50:31.169 - herbicide and a foliar mechanism than we would if we just came in and sprayed 10 foot tall bush honeysuckle 00:50:31.169 --> 00:50:37.455 - in a forested understory. So we don't want that because it would have much more off-target damage than 00:50:37.455 --> 00:50:40.446 - we would in this target application we're doing. 00:50:40.802 --> 00:50:48.745 - these cut treatments and allowing to resprout before it gets to a point where it's unsafe for the applicator 00:50:48.745 --> 00:50:56.468 - and also unsafe for the environment and the areas that we're applying. Thank you. I have other questions, 00:50:56.468 --> 00:51:04.411 - but I can wait. I think Maria and then Tarpe. Mary, I have a couple of questions about the city's integrated 00:51:04.411 --> 00:51:06.014 - pest management plan. 00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:12.900 - It states in the plan, the integrated pest management plan will be reviewed on an annual basis by the 00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:18.989 - IPM working group. Are you able to confirm that there has been an annual review process? I will say 00:51:18.989 --> 00:51:25.077 - that I've only been here for one year. But since I've been here, we've been reviewing in advance of 00:51:25.077 --> 00:51:31.227 - an update. So hopefully, we anticipate that update will happen sometime in 2026. Are you able to say 00:51:31.227 --> 00:51:33.662 - whether that update includes any update 00:51:33.890 --> 00:51:43.569 - recommendations or allowances for the use of glyphosate? I'm not able to say that at this point. Yeah, 00:51:43.569 --> 00:51:53.060 - I'm sorry about that. I'm also curious if you're able to comment on have you received any input from 00:51:53.060 --> 00:52:02.644 - the public at parks board meetings or environmental resources advisory council meetings? Just curious 00:52:02.644 --> 00:52:03.678 - about like 00:52:04.098 --> 00:52:10.625 - If there's been input, what the level has been in the past year? In the past year, I will say no. That 00:52:10.625 --> 00:52:17.089 - does not mean that that has not happened or that other areas within the operations division or within 00:52:17.089 --> 00:52:23.425 - parks as a whole have not happened historically. OK. And then just one more. Sorry. Have there been 00:52:23.425 --> 00:52:26.974 - any requests from the public for records of glyphosate? 00:52:27.106 --> 00:52:33.279 - applications? I have not gotten any public record requests for Plymouth State applications. That does 00:52:33.279 --> 00:52:39.633 - not mean it has not happened to date. And I should say at the Environmental Resources Advisory Committee 00:52:39.633 --> 00:52:45.745 - meeting, what this resolution was discussed, and some members were considering a draft response. And 00:52:45.745 --> 00:52:52.160 - then one member did say they would like to understand better the city's use or the park's use of Plymouth 00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:56.094 - State. So that may be on an agenda item during a future meeting. 00:52:56.578 --> 00:53:04.344 - OK, thank you so much. All right, we've got Tara next. Yeah, I have two, I think, simple questions. 00:53:04.344 --> 00:53:12.265 - When you do the foliar application, is there also dye included in that to the visual indication of it 00:53:12.265 --> 00:53:20.341 - in addition to the signage? Yes. For natural resource pesticide applications or herbicide applications, 00:53:20.341 --> 00:53:26.398 - we are using Indic spray pattern indicator dye when we're spraying as well as 00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:34.773 - in the cuts from the treatment application. And is that also something that other, like, that MCIRIS, 00:53:34.773 --> 00:53:42.698 - does MCIRIS also use dye and signage when they apply it in their work? We use dye, just about every 00:53:42.698 --> 00:53:50.781 - case that I can ever think of. We don't have any land. We work on other people's land. So we abide by 00:53:50.781 --> 00:53:55.774 - their rules and their policies. And we work with county parks. 00:53:56.130 --> 00:54:03.820 - whole lot of different places. And there are some who do require the signage and then that happens. 00:54:03.820 --> 00:54:11.663 - And my other question is, is there currently a mechanism for other than like a public records request 00:54:11.663 --> 00:54:19.429 - for communicating to the public the volume of any pesticide that's applied within your department or 00:54:19.429 --> 00:54:23.966 - more broadly within the city by the city parks department? 00:54:24.450 --> 00:54:34.100 - are not indicating the volume in the current application reporting. We're including the product, the 00:54:34.100 --> 00:54:43.655 - active ingredient, and various other information, whether it's aquatic label or not. But currently, 00:54:43.655 --> 00:54:52.158 - the volume is not in the public portal that we've created. All right, Matt, over to you. 00:54:52.386 --> 00:54:58.064 - First of all, thank you for all the work that you put into this to make it transparent to the public 00:54:58.064 --> 00:55:03.686 - as to how this is used in our community. And I apologize for any stress that this might have caused 00:55:03.686 --> 00:55:09.588 - you. So a couple of questions. One, I brought this up because of President Trump's executive order about 00:55:09.588 --> 00:55:15.660 - protecting production of and providing meat for glyphosate. What is your opinion on that? Is that something 00:55:15.660 --> 00:55:18.302 - you support, something that you don't support? 00:55:19.906 --> 00:55:28.404 - I don't think I'm able to comment on that at this time based on my representation. OK. I'd rather let 00:55:28.404 --> 00:55:37.069 - the market decide that that's just me. I mean, I see that our current agricultural system is incredibly 00:55:37.069 --> 00:55:45.400 - dependent upon like the state. That said, chemical companies are now developing other chemicals for 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.566 - GMO crops like dicamba. Dicamba is so much worse. 00:55:49.954 --> 00:55:57.283 - and the incredible damage that we've seen, because that camber drifts. Everybody knows it drifts. They 00:55:57.283 --> 00:56:04.826 - went into it saying, well, it's a new non-drift formulation, and it requires a special nozzle on farmer's 00:56:04.826 --> 00:56:12.653 - equipment. Farmers didn't buy the nozzle. There are lawsuits all over the country because of that. Glyphosate 00:56:12.653 --> 00:56:16.638 - doesn't drift as much as just about any other chemical. 00:56:18.178 --> 00:56:25.321 - And while I don't see needing the government to step in and protect glyphosate, I am also well aware 00:56:25.321 --> 00:56:32.464 - that if it went away because of continued lawsuits, we would be stuck with much worse chemicals. And 00:56:32.464 --> 00:56:39.678 - so it's kind of a conundrum. So that's sort of a mixed up response, but that's what's in my head. And 00:56:39.678 --> 00:56:46.750 - then the other question was, there was the Williams Crows and Monroe glyphosate safety review. That 00:56:46.750 --> 00:56:48.094 - was ghost written. 00:56:48.354 --> 00:56:56.378 - now been proven as ghost written by Monsanto employees. OK, so how can you trust the science that is 00:56:56.378 --> 00:57:04.878 - coming out from these companies? And when there's science that opposes it, a lot of times those scientists 00:57:04.878 --> 00:57:13.220 - disappear or bad things happen. So I just, because in this letter you say that glyphosate is a herbicide 00:57:13.220 --> 00:57:16.318 - which does not affect the environment. 00:57:16.514 --> 00:57:23.155 - As much as something else goes, it quickly breaks down more quickly. Maybe it does break down more quickly, 00:57:23.155 --> 00:57:29.427 - but the fact of the matter is there's signs that shows that it doesn't, and that it is destroying the 00:57:29.427 --> 00:57:36.192 - microorganisms in the soil. And you look at all of our farmland, which is obviously not what we're discussing 00:57:36.192 --> 00:57:41.726 - here, but we don't have soil. Soil is alive. We've got dirt, which is just a placeholder. 00:57:42.338 --> 00:57:48.429 - and then fertilizer runoff and all this other stuff because you've dealt with glyphosate on a much larger 00:57:48.429 --> 00:57:54.349 - scale than most folks. And so I also brought this up because at the Blue Team Community Orchard, I saw 00:57:54.349 --> 00:58:00.210 - a sign and I loved that I saw the sign. They sprayed right on the edge of the road. And I'm thinking, 00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:06.129 - was that really necessary? Could something else have been done, then spray that right next to the next 00:58:06.129 --> 00:58:11.646 - to the community orchard. So with all that being said, what is your opinion of the science that 00:58:12.002 --> 00:58:18.832 - has been said to be true, but has been now proven to be ghostwritten by the company that sells the product. 00:58:18.832 --> 00:58:25.598 - I'll say that is really disturbing. That is one study. And given the conflict of interest that was present 00:58:25.598 --> 00:58:32.175 - with the authors, I think that you basically have to say we can't argue that study. There are hundreds, 00:58:32.175 --> 00:58:38.499 - if not thousands, of other studies. There are incredible studies that have been done. Glyphosate is 00:58:38.499 --> 00:58:41.534 - by far the most studied herbicide in the world. 00:58:42.818 --> 00:58:50.726 - compared to any other out there, Triclopyr, Mesopyr, Pliclorum, glyphosate is the one they focus on 00:58:50.726 --> 00:58:58.633 - because it has been such a workhorse of an herbicide, and it's so greatly used. I think you have to 00:58:58.633 --> 00:59:06.778 - carefully evaluate the author's potential for conflict of interest. But from what I have seen from all 00:59:06.778 --> 00:59:09.150 - of the work that's been done, 00:59:09.474 --> 00:59:19.520 - Thus far, there have been no good studies that have shown significant harm to humans and applicators 00:59:19.520 --> 00:59:29.566 - and used according to label directions compared to all the other possible herbicides out there. It's 00:59:29.566 --> 00:59:36.926 - the safest we've got. OK. So I guess my concern is that it's the default. 00:59:37.570 --> 00:59:44.728 - might get used too much when there's other options. So I guess what's that trigger where it says that 00:59:44.728 --> 00:59:51.887 - we're going to use glyphosate because it's our default versus saying we should use something else. So 00:59:51.887 --> 00:59:59.045 - I'm just concerned about an overuse because it is the easiest thing. It's what you have on the shelf. 00:59:59.045 --> 01:00:06.133 - Yeah. Yeah. No, I see that. I think that there are now, at this point, decades of experience by land 01:00:06.133 --> 01:00:07.326 - managers saying, 01:00:07.650 --> 01:00:13.406 - what works on this invasive species. And again, we're just talking about natural areas management and 01:00:13.406 --> 01:00:19.388 - invasive species control, and knowing which chemicals do work and which don't. And there are some species 01:00:19.388 --> 01:00:25.200 - that glyphosate may not be the most effective, and you end up saying, nope, we're going to have to use 01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:30.956 - amazapyr. But every time we do that, every time we say, no, put the glyphosate on the shelf and we're 01:00:30.956 --> 01:00:32.254 - going to use amazapyr, 01:00:32.866 --> 01:00:39.263 - We take a big breath because they are more dangerous to the applicator. They will move more in the soil. 01:00:39.263 --> 01:00:45.660 - And they will have longer residence time in the soil. And we don't like that. That's just a much heavier 01:00:45.660 --> 01:00:51.996 - hit on the environment and potentially the applicator. And so that's why it tends to be the front line, 01:00:51.996 --> 01:00:58.271 - because we believe it's the most safest and most effective. And when we have to go to other chemicals, 01:00:58.271 --> 01:00:59.550 - then it's time where 01:00:59.714 --> 01:01:07.483 - you have to really read that warning label because it gets much more dangerous. Thank you. All right. 01:01:07.483 --> 01:01:15.632 - Is there anyone who hasn't asked a question? Is that OK? Yeah. Perfect. OK. Thank you. And so I appreciate 01:01:15.632 --> 01:01:23.706 - the last comments you had about that. There's a lot of depth that you guys have looked at in the research 01:01:23.706 --> 01:01:29.342 - about glyphosate. I'm sort of very amateur at understanding these things. 01:01:29.826 --> 01:01:36.592 - I'll ask amateur questions though, just in case you can probably rebut this pretty quickly. But I'm 01:01:36.592 --> 01:01:43.425 - thinking about, assuming what you're saying is correct. I'm also looking at what a lot of people use 01:01:43.425 --> 01:01:50.191 - these sort of chemicals do is they're not really focused as much on the soil, sort of microbiology. 01:01:50.191 --> 01:01:55.806 - It really doesn't seem to be in my experience. And I'm looking at, okay, you have, 01:01:56.770 --> 01:02:05.210 - soil microbiology, if a chemical like this could potentially target very specific microbes, but not 01:02:05.210 --> 01:02:14.242 - target others, right? Same thing, they were talking about one of the potential impacts on using glyphosate 01:02:14.242 --> 01:02:23.188 - for bees, not because it hurts the bees directly, because microbiology of their stomach and other things. 01:02:23.188 --> 01:02:25.214 - And I'm just wondering, 01:02:26.018 --> 01:02:36.363 - if it's safe and effective, is there any possibility out there that we're, through the use of this chemical, 01:02:36.363 --> 01:02:46.612 - we're creating the type of environment that is perfect for an invasive because it's set up for an imbalance 01:02:46.612 --> 01:02:54.110 - in the ecosystem. Can I take that? So we had a weed wrangle that last Saturday 01:02:54.274 --> 01:03:00.867 - Saturday before at Lower Cascades. It's one of our favorite places. And so every month for, I don't 01:03:00.867 --> 01:03:07.591 - know how many years it's been now, how many years has it been? Seven? We're there every month. And so 01:03:07.591 --> 01:03:14.184 - we've gotten to see the changes over time. And what I was boggled by was we're at peak flower right 01:03:14.184 --> 01:03:20.974 - now. As a botanist, this is the best time of year for me. And if you stand at the Sycamore Shelter and 01:03:20.974 --> 01:03:22.622 - you look across the road 01:03:23.426 --> 01:03:30.897 - you will see a very, very steep slope, and it is covered 100% with Asian bush honeysuckle. And under 01:03:30.897 --> 01:03:38.295 - that honeysuckle is just bare and eroding. There's nothing, because it's so shady. Nothing is going 01:03:38.295 --> 01:03:46.284 - to grow under there. On the other side of the shelter, it is this slope that is alive. The bush honeysuckle 01:03:46.284 --> 01:03:51.166 - has been cut and painted by volunteers. It's clear of the shrubs. 01:03:51.330 --> 01:03:57.832 - And the Cascades has just one of the best wildflower displays we've got in Bloomington. And so two weeks 01:03:57.832 --> 01:04:04.147 - ago, it was just buzzing with pollinators. This whole slope is gorgeous, and I'm taking pictures. And 01:04:04.147 --> 01:04:10.835 - the bottom line is that slope that is covered with Asian bichonisuckle was completely cleared by volunteers 01:04:10.835 --> 01:04:14.302 - six years ago during COVID. They climbed up that slope. 01:04:14.434 --> 01:04:21.224 - like mountain goats. But they didn't use glyphosate. And every one of those shrubs is now approaching 01:04:21.224 --> 01:04:28.080 - 10 feet tall. And we've got nothing. The site is essentially dead and eroding. Where we use glyphosate 01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:34.737 - on the stumps, it's alive. The bees are buzzing. The butterflies and tiger swallowtails were out. I 01:04:34.737 --> 01:04:41.394 - feel confident from what I've seen with the treatments we've done that we have made the environment 01:04:41.394 --> 01:04:44.190 - healthier. We've made it more biodiverse. 01:04:44.290 --> 01:04:52.776 - better. And I look for, you know, whatever research comes out and see what we can learn from it. But 01:04:52.776 --> 01:05:00.927 - from what I've seen with my own eyes, we've improved the environment with the use of glyphosate. 01:05:00.927 --> 01:05:09.497 - Thank you. I would add to that, that there's, you know, we're honeysuckle suppressing native biota or 01:05:09.497 --> 01:05:11.934 - flora, and it also has these 01:05:13.826 --> 01:05:19.804 - Allelopathic, where they prevent native plants from growing. Other invasives also change the soil, maybe 01:05:19.804 --> 01:05:25.896 - even more so than light as they would. So we have autumn olive, which is a nitrogen fixer. It is a gateway 01:05:25.896 --> 01:05:31.932 - for other invasives. So if we leave autumn olive, we've completely displaced the plant community. There's 01:05:31.932 --> 01:05:37.682 - that to consider as well. So I had Ross next. Is this like a direct follow-up? This is actually just 01:05:37.682 --> 01:05:43.262 - a correct response to the question here. It's quite rare, really. To answer your direct question, 01:05:43.618 --> 01:05:51.139 - Yes, any kind of input, particularly on agricultural scales, does produce an arms race with invasive 01:05:51.139 --> 01:05:58.586 - weed species, however you want to describe it. That is strictly correct and universally observable. 01:05:58.586 --> 01:06:06.331 - The problem that I think we're facing here is a question of difference in terms of arena of application 01:06:06.331 --> 01:06:13.182 - and effect. So if we're talking about targeted painting on a hillside of honeysuckle roots, 01:06:13.378 --> 01:06:19.920 - it's different than the kind of volumes of life-saving sprayed in agricultural fields around the globe 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:26.589 - as the number one agent. So it does do that, but I think what we're talking about at this scale is these 01:06:26.589 --> 01:06:33.130 - are kind of apples and oranges, and that's sort of at the root of some thorny questions here, I think. 01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:39.672 - I appreciate that. That's one of the takeaways I got. In certain cases, applications, you actually get 01:06:39.672 --> 01:06:43.102 - more diversity and a better health of the environment 01:06:43.714 --> 01:06:49.782 - if it's applied in a specific way. All right, let's go to Ross. Okay. First of all, I just want to thank 01:06:49.782 --> 01:06:55.618 - you both for coming today. I think you guys have done great work. I have a question for Mary. So you 01:06:55.618 --> 01:07:01.801 - were talking about like over half of the applications have been for cut stump, but that is for the natural 01:07:01.801 --> 01:07:07.638 - resources department, right? So, or the parks department as a whole? Within the operations division. 01:07:07.638 --> 01:07:10.238 - Okay. So we're talking everything from like, 01:07:11.106 --> 01:07:18.464 - Griffey, switchyard, native plantings, also like sports fields. Operations division does not cover sports 01:07:18.464 --> 01:07:25.752 - management. That's what I was wondering because I feel like from what I understand this is a very useful 01:07:25.752 --> 01:07:32.902 - tool for the native habitat restoration and what I haven't really learned much through this discussion 01:07:32.902 --> 01:07:35.262 - is how much this is being used on 01:07:36.130 --> 01:07:43.086 - the Cascades Golf Course, Twin Lakes, stuff like that. And that's where my concern really with this 01:07:43.086 --> 01:07:50.042 - would lie, is are we using this a lot for fence row management and stuff like that, rather than are 01:07:50.042 --> 01:07:56.999 - we using it for native species or habitat restoration, where I think it is an invaluable tool. So I 01:07:56.999 --> 01:08:03.955 - thank you for coming. I wish you could speak more about that. That's, I guess, my question that has 01:08:03.955 --> 01:08:05.694 - been left unanswered is, 01:08:06.178 --> 01:08:14.624 - how much, and comparative to how much you guys are using, what they're using and where it's going to 01:08:14.624 --> 01:08:23.571 - and for what, so. Perfect, okay, we've got Councilor Barallo on Zoom with his hand up. Go ahead, Councilor 01:08:23.571 --> 01:08:32.184 - Barallo. Thank you. This has been a very good discussion. I think there's a lot of points of agreement 01:08:32.184 --> 01:08:36.030 - regarding the question about where it's used. 01:08:39.970 --> 01:08:51.489 - And there were 16 gallons of glyphosate that were used by the city of Bloomington. And seven of those 01:08:51.489 --> 01:09:03.008 - were used for natural resources. So presumably then to treat non-native invasive plants. So the other 01:09:03.008 --> 01:09:08.542 - nine gallons went to uses such as fence rows and 01:09:09.858 --> 01:09:19.224 - around ball fields and I think he used the Cascades Gau of course and so forth. But I think you know 01:09:19.224 --> 01:09:28.497 - being an organic farmer for a while the farms around me were spraying like say I think on the order 01:09:28.497 --> 01:09:36.286 - of a quarter to a half a gallon per acre so the farm across the street for instance 01:09:40.578 --> 01:09:50.738 - as the entire city of Bloomington on its fields. So just as a matter of perspective, I think that maybe 01:09:50.738 --> 01:10:00.605 - this goes into deliberation. So maybe I should hold back, Justin. But maybe we could, if the sponsor 01:10:00.605 --> 01:10:09.886 - of this resolution were interested, Matt, we might consider or you might consider amending it. 01:10:10.818 --> 01:10:19.627 - might consider amending it to say that the Commission supports the minimal use of glyphosate and then 01:10:19.627 --> 01:10:28.263 - you know maybe parenthetically for purposes of invasive and non-native species control because that 01:10:28.263 --> 01:10:33.790 - would you know that would allow the activities say a griffey or 01:10:41.730 --> 01:10:50.432 - and which is the best choice, I think, in my mind. But it sends an instruction that it needs to be kept 01:10:50.432 --> 01:10:58.799 - at a minimum. I'm just putting that out there. And that's all I've got to say right now. Thank you. 01:10:58.799 --> 01:11:07.836 - Thank you. I've got one quick question, and then we can do round two. My question is answered. OK, perfect. 01:11:07.836 --> 01:11:10.430 - So I'll go, and then Alex. OK. 01:11:10.850 --> 01:11:18.485 - So question for both of you, maybe Allen first, if you could just speak a little bit about sort of the 01:11:18.485 --> 01:11:25.972 - scope of the invasive species problem in Bloomington. How severe is it? How much work has to be done 01:11:25.972 --> 01:11:33.385 - or sort of to battle it? Are you gaining ground or is it kind of just holding the line for now? And 01:11:33.385 --> 01:11:40.798 - then to Mary, if glyphosate were to be taken off the table, what would that look like operationally 01:11:41.122 --> 01:11:48.562 - for parks and recreation? What would that do in terms of cost, labor, things like fuel use, and stuff 01:11:48.562 --> 01:11:55.855 - like that if you had to rely on other options? Thanks for the questions. And just in general, these 01:11:55.855 --> 01:12:03.149 - have been awesome questions. The situation in Bloomington is pretty comparable to other urban areas 01:12:03.149 --> 01:12:10.078 - in Indiana, because it tends to be urban areas that have most of the invasive species problem. 01:12:10.370 --> 01:12:18.206 - for the not surprising reason that that's where the landscaping is. And better than 90% of our invasive 01:12:18.206 --> 01:12:25.891 - species are landscaping species. And we differ on some. We have the worst lesser salindine problem in 01:12:25.891 --> 01:12:33.501 - the state, as far as I can tell. Indianapolis is not great, but boy, do we have a lot. Jackson Creek 01:12:33.501 --> 01:12:34.782 - is just covered. 01:12:34.914 --> 01:12:41.952 - And that's different than other places. And it's just historical. Somebody brought it in, and then everybody 01:12:41.952 --> 01:12:48.861 - saw the pretty yellow flowers and moved it to their yard. So there's some variety. Are we making progress? 01:12:48.861 --> 01:12:55.511 - Well, MCRIs is 17 years old now. And we think we are making progress landowner by landowner. Our whole 01:12:55.511 --> 01:12:56.286 - goal is to. 01:12:56.674 --> 01:13:03.321 - have landowners feel enabled to deal with this problem, to be able to go to their yard and know what 01:13:03.321 --> 01:13:09.902 - they've got and be able to control it. And so we give free invasive surveys. We've done a couple of 01:13:09.902 --> 01:13:16.877 - hundred of those. And each person tells their friends. And we have sort of little nodes of neighborhoods. 01:13:16.877 --> 01:13:22.142 - We had about 16 neighborhoods that have reached out that we've helped organize. 01:13:22.434 --> 01:13:29.320 - hand developed a special grant for invasive species control if you can get your neighbors to work with 01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:36.341 - you on it. And so we see progress. We see a lot of progress on parks and recreation land. And so I think 01:13:36.341 --> 01:13:43.227 - we are headed the right direction. There's a lot more just people aware of the issue, just people here 01:13:43.227 --> 01:13:50.782 - I can tell are aware of invasives and you know why this is an important issue. So I think we're making progress. 01:13:52.770 --> 01:14:00.596 - Yeah, and I'll even say the awareness of invasive species has grown exponentially in their work. 01:14:00.596 --> 01:14:08.986 - But yeah, the reality is, from a natural resources perspective and for other areas and divisions within 01:14:08.986 --> 01:14:17.538 - parks, without, like I said, we'd be using a lot more labor, a lot more potentially more harmful chemical 01:14:17.538 --> 01:14:20.926 - options. We'd be using more fossil fuels. 01:14:21.122 --> 01:14:28.402 - especially with our contractors, we contract a lot of mowing. We're trying to take land out of mowing 01:14:28.402 --> 01:14:35.611 - and restore it into these beneficial systems that are emulating a natural system that are supporting 01:14:35.611 --> 01:14:42.891 - pollinators, supporting all sorts of migratory birds and other types of wildlife, beneficial insects, 01:14:42.891 --> 01:14:49.886 - you name it. And so I just anticipate that without the ability to draw upon glyphosate as a tool, 01:14:50.210 --> 01:14:56.977 - And which isn't always the right tool, but as a part of our integrated pest management plan, it is an 01:14:56.977 --> 01:15:03.678 - important tool. Without it, we would be using alternatives that are less effective, maybe doing more 01:15:03.678 --> 01:15:10.711 - soil disturbance, which arguably, in my opinion, is the greater harm. I will also say, just to celebrate, 01:15:10.711 --> 01:15:13.630 - as of last year, Bloomington is a city USA. 01:15:13.826 --> 01:15:21.668 - As we go into our new ICAM plan, including pollinator protections into that, it's also a boulevard. 01:15:21.668 --> 01:15:29.510 - So to tie into the city, I think. And kudos to Joanna for also making that possible. Thank you very 01:15:29.510 --> 01:15:37.587 - much. Alex? Well, my first question was her question to Mary. So I guess the other question I have is, 01:15:37.587 --> 01:15:43.390 - I've been in an operations role where I dispatch people out to the field. 01:15:44.546 --> 01:15:51.178 - what you tell people to do and what actually happens do not always align. So I'm a little, you know, 01:15:51.178 --> 01:15:57.744 - if the integrated pest management does not say we should use glycophysate, but that somebody is out 01:15:57.744 --> 01:16:04.310 - in the field and they get there and they're like, you know what would be really easy? Just brag and 01:16:04.310 --> 01:16:09.694 - say like, is there a concern that that is happening? Is that strictly controlled? 01:16:11.138 --> 01:16:17.870 - We know it's not happening. Can you speak to that a little bit? Yeah, I'd love to celebrate our staff 01:16:17.870 --> 01:16:24.537 - who are well-trained and knowledgeable. It's not required by law for our applicators to be certified 01:16:24.537 --> 01:16:31.137 - pesticide applicators, but they are. So our pesticide applicators are public applicators within the 01:16:31.137 --> 01:16:38.068 - operations division. And I believe within, I can't speak to other areas, but I believe in our divisions. 01:16:38.068 --> 01:16:39.454 - So they are trained. 01:16:39.874 --> 01:16:46.209 - They have that certification, which is stringent. We have multiple categories of applicators. So we 01:16:46.209 --> 01:16:52.608 - have people that are ornamental. We have people that are industrial right-of-way weed management. We 01:16:52.608 --> 01:16:58.943 - have people that are forestry specialists. There's hope to get someone back under the aquatic label 01:16:58.943 --> 01:17:05.278 - for categories. So all those things are important to us. Our contractors are required to have them. 01:17:05.474 --> 01:17:14.177 - So even if we are not applying internally and we hire a contractor, they are required to, by law, because 01:17:14.177 --> 01:17:22.388 - they're doing it for pay, to be OASC, or Office of the Indiana State Chemist Pesticide Applicators, 01:17:22.388 --> 01:17:30.680 - certified. And we do internal refresher training. And some of my staff just stay up at night reading 01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:32.158 - pesticide labels. 01:17:32.290 --> 01:17:40.174 - to better understand. I literally brag on that all day long. They care. They want to make sure they're 01:17:40.174 --> 01:17:47.982 - using it. We stay on top of research, and we go to conferences, and we just try to stay up to date on 01:17:47.982 --> 01:17:55.789 - our use of pesticides and glycophagic, and just weighing all the pros and cons, and making decisions, 01:17:55.789 --> 01:18:00.382 - and changing how we work on a daily basis. And to be clear, 01:18:01.026 --> 01:18:07.527 - because Mother Raul's comment on kind of the division of how much we use where you don't know 01:18:07.527 --> 01:18:14.444 - that information from like a current standpoint. I cannot say that this meeting, but we can provide 01:18:14.444 --> 01:18:20.945 - that information upon request. Absolutely. I would find that. And I would say just to clarify 01:18:20.945 --> 01:18:27.931 - that occasionally we are using herbicide or other glyphosate for native species control, ragweed, or 01:18:27.931 --> 01:18:28.830 - if we have a 01:18:29.506 --> 01:18:36.635 - early successional pollinator planting that we want to keep a pollinator planting, we have to keep some 01:18:36.635 --> 01:18:43.559 - undesirable woody vegetation out of that system. So occasionally it's used on native plants based on 01:18:43.559 --> 01:18:50.414 - the goal of the habitat management goal. All right. Any further questions? Yeah. Just a few to wrap 01:18:50.414 --> 01:18:57.406 - up. So thank you very much for your commentary and your answers, because this is a really complicated 01:18:57.986 --> 01:19:06.298 - topic that the issue of chemical inputs in general is thorny and complex. Practically speaking, two 01:19:06.298 --> 01:19:14.942 - interrelated questions that I would be happy to hear either of you respond to. In terms of application, 01:19:14.942 --> 01:19:23.420 - the medium of application, if there were limits on how you can apply, what, if any, impact would this 01:19:23.420 --> 01:19:27.326 - have on your overall species management goals? 01:19:27.618 --> 01:19:35.637 - So put it this way, if you're painting instead of spraying, would that severely hamper or be onerous 01:19:35.637 --> 01:19:43.657 - in some particular way? So second question related to this would be, why would it matter how you are 01:19:43.657 --> 01:19:51.676 - applying these things? Well, the question is, as you've pointed out, glyphosate is a broad spectrum. 01:19:51.676 --> 01:19:55.646 - It's a very potent tool, and part of the question 01:19:55.970 --> 01:20:02.777 - Part of the issues related to that are A, public health questions about it being a carcinogen, and B, 01:20:02.777 --> 01:20:09.717 - the other question that hasn't been raised that I'm interested in maybe us bringing to the picture here 01:20:09.717 --> 01:20:16.457 - is its broader ecological impacts, not just on flora, which we know is its target, but fauna. So you 01:20:16.457 --> 01:20:23.196 - are an expert in pollinators, and I expect you have quite a bit of experience in the sort of breadth 01:20:23.196 --> 01:20:24.798 - of pollinators as well. 01:20:24.930 --> 01:20:34.307 - What kind of impact, if any, does the, again, compared to, 17 gallons is nothing, just simply nothing 01:20:34.307 --> 01:20:43.592 - for, what's the total area we're talking about? 2000, I'm not saying we sprayed on every acre. We're 01:20:43.592 --> 01:20:52.510 - talking city area, not county area, correct? City, we're managing 2,342 acres of parks property. 01:20:52.898 --> 01:20:59.631 - Please note that other people may be using what you say outside of parks. But I mean, just, you know, 01:20:59.631 --> 01:21:06.365 - I have expertise in the political ecology of agriculture. And 17 gallons is just, the issue is really 01:21:06.365 --> 01:21:13.164 - agriculture in my mind. But it doesn't mean that there aren't potential impacts. And so I'm interested 01:21:13.164 --> 01:21:20.030 - just to reiterate this in a succinct way. How would limiting the delivery affect you, if at all, and be 01:21:20.674 --> 01:21:26.880 - Would that have positive, would a limitation on spraying, for instance, have positive effects in terms 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:32.906 - of fauna, you know, pollinators, insects, other kinds of creatures that glyphosate might be harming 01:21:32.906 --> 01:21:39.293 - outside of the question of plants? I can speak to that, and hopefully Ellen, please, if you have anything 01:21:39.293 --> 01:21:45.378 - additional to add. Well, I just want to give an example. Over the last two years, our internal staff 01:21:45.378 --> 01:21:50.078 - have used a combination of cut stump and foliar application on invasive woody 01:21:50.370 --> 01:21:57.730 - in the state-dedicated nature portion of Griffey, which is Griffey Woods Nature Preserve, they've cleared 01:21:57.730 --> 01:22:04.743 - 40 acres of honeysuckle. And a lot of that was cut stumped, but we're not done. So we've cleared the 01:22:04.743 --> 01:22:11.687 - first wave. If we didn't have foliar spray to come back in and treat, we'd have to wait for that to 01:22:11.687 --> 01:22:16.478 - grow back up till it was easy enough to cut and then start all over. 01:22:16.674 --> 01:22:23.498 - So is foliar used on saplings? Well, foliar will be used on re-sprouts, which is most likely going to 01:22:23.498 --> 01:22:30.322 - happen, even if you cut stump or you've got some smaller new growth. The seed source doesn't go away. 01:22:30.322 --> 01:22:37.279 - It comes in from outside neighbor areas, burning bush, autumn olive, honeysuckle. All of that is coming 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:44.237 - in from the land surrounding the rift, which is, I'd say, most between the IU land and us that are very 01:22:44.237 --> 01:22:45.374 - privately owned. 01:22:45.538 --> 01:22:52.038 - not as managed as we're attempting to do at Griffey. So that's just an example. I could speak to it 01:22:52.038 --> 01:22:58.538 - on a case-by-case basis. And then I'll also just mention things like Japanese soil grass. We use it 01:22:58.538 --> 01:23:05.233 - at very low rates, and especially in areas where it's near water or where there's potential for runoff 01:23:05.233 --> 01:23:12.188 - into surface water. We're using aquatic label formulations. So we normally would be using a grass-specific 01:23:12.188 --> 01:23:14.398 - formulation that's very targeted. 01:23:15.170 --> 01:23:22.545 - But in the areas where we have sensitive sites, we need to dial in on the very low concentration that 01:23:22.545 --> 01:23:29.776 - barely harms even our native raminoids and keeps something on the ground. And we're able to keep it 01:23:29.776 --> 01:23:37.296 - out of areas, though there are some areas that it's just, it's almost, yeah, it's a hard thing to watch 01:23:37.296 --> 01:23:44.382 - as it continues to spread throughout our county. I think that's all I've got. Oh, and I will say, 01:23:44.962 --> 01:23:52.279 - That method of reducing the size of vegetation is one of our ways to reduce impacts on pollinators and 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:59.596 - beneficial insects and other organisms. We're reducing the size. Theoretically, we're doing everything 01:23:59.596 --> 01:24:06.843 - we can to not spray when we've got flowers, when pollinators are active in the area. So we're picking 01:24:06.843 --> 01:24:14.302 - times of day, times of year when pollinators and beneficials are not active to reduce the amount of harm 01:24:14.818 --> 01:24:21.541 - on those systems when we're spraying a foliar application. Last very quick question, just to resolve 01:24:21.541 --> 01:24:28.264 - some of the questions I have in regard to sources. You very generously provided some sources in your 01:24:28.264 --> 01:24:35.120 - letter to us. And I found that very helpful. Is it possible to attach, as like an exhibit or something 01:24:35.120 --> 01:24:41.310 - along those lines, something informative in terms of like a bibliography of studies that are 01:24:41.922 --> 01:24:52.375 - supporting or expressing these kinds of positions regarding public health questions, regarding volunteer 01:24:52.375 --> 01:24:57.054 - questions, et cetera. Yes. Thank you. Perfect. 01:24:57.506 --> 01:25:02.861 - All right. Well, yes, we are coming up at the end of the meeting. So I think we'll end the Q&A session 01:25:02.861 --> 01:25:08.113 - there. I want to thank our guests again for joining us tonight. This has been really helpful for me. 01:25:08.113 --> 01:25:13.416 - I think everyone got a lot out of that. So thank you very much. Really appreciate you taking the time 01:25:13.416 --> 01:25:18.615 - to be here. Thank you for giving us the opportunity. We appreciate you. Great questions. All right. 01:25:18.615 --> 01:25:24.022 - So that brings us to the deliberation point. So I just want to make a quick note about procedural stuff 01:25:24.022 --> 01:25:27.038 - here, especially since we're coming up at the time limit. 01:25:27.138 --> 01:25:32.019 - We're probably not gonna have enough time to talk through all this stuff. There's a couple things that 01:25:32.019 --> 01:25:36.994 - we can do. So now would be the time to do the motion and the second, and that opens up for deliberation. 01:25:36.994 --> 01:25:41.874 - At that point, we could choose to postpone this definitely, which means we pick a specific date in the 01:25:41.874 --> 01:25:46.660 - future that we're going to come back to this and go through the discussion again, just like we would 01:25:46.660 --> 01:25:51.399 - have today. We could postpone indefinitely, which means we don't set a future date and it basically 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:56.421 - never comes back on its own. That effectively would kill it, but that's a procedural option people should 01:25:56.421 --> 01:25:56.990 - know about. 01:25:58.306 --> 01:26:04.775 - Those are the two big ones. Any questions about the procedure before we move on? OK. In that case, I'll 01:26:04.775 --> 01:26:11.554 - ask for a motion and a second to consider resolution 2026-04 for adoption. Motion to consider the resolution 01:26:11.554 --> 01:26:17.774 - for adoption. OK, there's a motion. Is there a second? Seconded. OK, there's a second. So now we're 01:26:17.774 --> 01:26:23.994 - in the deliberation stage. This is where we just generally discuss. We bring up any amendments that 01:26:23.994 --> 01:26:28.286 - exist out there. I know Alex has one in the pipeline for or against. 01:26:28.674 --> 01:26:36.468 - Zach. Oh, I'm sorry, Zach. Zach does. Yeah, go ahead, Councilmember Morrell. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't 01:26:36.468 --> 01:26:44.418 - mean to interrupt. You haven't seen that there's an amendment that's proposed? Yes. Yeah, it's in the 01:26:44.418 --> 01:26:52.291 - packet materials. But Tara, did you have a? Well, is this where we would move to postpone it? It is. 01:26:52.291 --> 01:26:58.526 - OK, I move that we postpone the deliberation to the May meeting. I second that. 01:26:58.786 --> 01:27:05.950 - Okay, so there's a motion and a second to postpone until our next regular meeting, which is in May, 01:27:05.950 --> 01:27:13.113 - and there's a second. Is there any discussion about that postponement? Can we not add 30 minutes to 01:27:13.113 --> 01:27:20.563 - our meeting one time? That's subject to the availability of staff. Because we have online people, we're 01:27:20.563 --> 01:27:27.870 - going to have to do a voice vote to decide whether or not to extend the meeting. How's that relevant? 01:27:28.194 --> 01:27:36.568 - We're gonna run out of time. Okay. Yeah, so let me just I'll just do a quick. Is there anyone that could 01:27:36.568 --> 01:27:44.703 - not stay? some extra time I'm not cannot say 30 minutes. Yeah, I can't say pass 730 15 minutes. How's 01:27:44.703 --> 01:27:52.678 - that sound for everybody? And we went we went 40 minutes over our allotted time for the convert for 01:27:52.678 --> 01:27:55.390 - the experts. I don't know that we 01:27:55.650 --> 01:28:02.196 - 15 minutes. It's not sufficient. I mean, we probably still have to post, but it's probably going to 01:28:02.196 --> 01:28:08.872 - be a lot of discussion. So Alex. I think that we could have some discussion in the deliberation about 01:28:08.872 --> 01:28:15.548 - postponing of that could be targeted about what we want to hear when we move it. So like a brief mini 01:28:15.548 --> 01:28:21.374 - discussion and we should probably have a vote to accept the meeting at this point. Okay. 01:28:21.762 --> 01:28:29.233 - Well, we're probably going to have to, just because we have to deal with these other open motions. So 01:28:29.233 --> 01:28:36.704 - there's a motion to extend by how long? Motion to extend the meeting by 15 minutes. By 15 minutes. In 01:28:36.704 --> 01:28:44.249 - a second? Second. Okay. All right. So we'll go through the roll call vote to extend to 745. Tara? Yes. 01:28:44.249 --> 01:28:51.134 - Yes. Justin? Yes. Matt? Yes. Yes. Christopher? Yes. Yes. Zach? Yes. Yes. Councilmember Rallo? 01:28:51.906 --> 01:29:00.555 - Yes. Yes. Um, Quentin. Yes. Yes. Alex. Yes. Yes. Maria. Yes. Yes. Shanghai is not here. Um, Diana, I 01:29:00.555 --> 01:29:09.460 - think she, did she jump off? I think so. I think she, yeah, she was coming in and out. Sure. Ross. Yes. 01:29:09.460 --> 01:29:18.451 - Yes. Okay. Um, we are extended to, uh, 7 45. Um, we do have, so that brings us back to our active motion 01:29:18.451 --> 01:29:21.534 - on postponing definitely until the, 01:29:21.634 --> 01:29:29.610 - uh, May regular meeting. So I'll open up the floor for discussion on that postponement. Uh, I support 01:29:29.610 --> 01:29:37.430 - this postponement, um, for that May meeting. I would really like to see, I have a core sense of the 01:29:37.430 --> 01:29:46.110 - city's total use of Lexington safe. Um, I would like to have a better idea of how much in 2026 we are applying 01:29:56.930 --> 01:30:06.504 - I support postponing the meeting. And I also am curious, I very much appreciate the time of our experts, 01:30:06.504 --> 01:30:15.804 - but since they were both from the same side, I wonder if it would be beneficial to invite someone, an 01:30:15.804 --> 01:30:24.830 - outside expert of the opposing view for the commission to ask questions too. I am a little unclear 01:30:26.722 --> 01:30:33.140 - procedure, which is part of my issue here. So I agree with postponing. My question is there was quite 01:30:33.140 --> 01:30:39.558 - a lot of material raised, a lot of meaningful questions, a lot of meaningful points. Is the procedure 01:30:39.558 --> 01:30:45.851 - that we would at the next meeting discuss and then have to vote on like up or down on this? Or like 01:30:45.851 --> 01:30:52.332 - what are the opportunities to actually chew over some of the meaningful and not simple content of what 01:30:52.332 --> 01:30:53.150 - we've talked 01:30:53.794 --> 01:30:59.168 - Yeah, so if we postpone, definitely as has been proposed, then at the next meeting, this would be another 01:30:59.168 --> 01:31:04.340 - agenda item, just like it is now. And if we did want to do another Q&A, we could, of course, do it in 01:31:04.340 --> 01:31:09.562 - the same format we have here. Otherwise, we would just ask for a motion in a second to bring it up for 01:31:09.562 --> 01:31:14.683 - adoption, like we just did. And then we would discuss. And that would also be the opportunity during 01:31:14.683 --> 01:31:19.956 - deliberation to bring amendments forward. Right. Right. We wanted to change it. Yeah. So over that next 01:31:19.956 --> 01:31:22.846 - month, we would be able to take what we heard from today 01:31:23.042 --> 01:31:28.491 - propose any new amendments. Right. You have to move to adopt. You have to do a yay to adopt. And then 01:31:28.491 --> 01:31:33.888 - you'd have an opportunity to deliberate and propose amendments. Yeah, just a motion in a second. And 01:31:33.888 --> 01:31:39.337 - then that gives us the opportunity to deliberate. It's a motion to consider it for adoption. Yeah. So 01:31:39.337 --> 01:31:44.733 - it's a motion to like, yes, we're voting that we want to vote. Yeah. And then there are nested votes 01:31:44.733 --> 01:31:50.236 - within that for any changes that we want to make. How exciting. Yeah. Robert's rules. It's good stuff. 01:31:50.236 --> 01:31:51.358 - I love your remarks. 01:31:51.458 --> 01:31:57.730 - don't support postponing. I think we need to be more flexible about time. I think we only meet once 01:31:57.730 --> 01:32:04.253 - per month. We have an ambitious agenda of things set up. I think we should stay later and just get this 01:32:04.253 --> 01:32:10.838 - knock out of the park. But that's my opinion. Do you feel like we have enough time to just stay? I think 01:32:10.838 --> 01:32:17.549 - we just stay until it's done is what I would do. But anyway, that's my two cents. Quentin. Well, I support 01:32:17.549 --> 01:32:19.870 - postponing, understanding people may 01:32:21.250 --> 01:32:28.827 - the, I guess where I come, I'm coming from it is I'm, I'm, I feel like it is as far as within the city 01:32:28.827 --> 01:32:36.846 - sort of boundaries, but it could be argued that there might be more, you know, higher, you know, importance, 01:32:36.846 --> 01:32:44.202 - uh, things that we could focus on. However, this is, we're talking about toxic chemicals widespread 01:32:44.202 --> 01:32:49.278 - all over the place. And I'm thinking about, okay, what if, you know, 01:32:50.498 --> 01:32:58.265 - What if the real value that can be had here is sort of sending that market signal, that buzz, that doing 01:32:58.265 --> 01:33:06.327 - something here makes a change and gets other people in cities across the country or other places interested? 01:33:06.327 --> 01:33:13.798 - So I guess that's where I'm left at. It's sort of like, it is what it is here, but could we use this 01:33:13.798 --> 01:33:19.198 - to do something bigger? OK. Yep. Tara? So it's by motion, but I actually 01:33:19.330 --> 01:33:26.305 - think that we probably could. I would feel comfortable voting on it, because I feel comfortable saying 01:33:26.305 --> 01:33:33.347 - no, because I don't think this addresses what the actual issue is. And I don't feel comfortable putting 01:33:33.347 --> 01:33:40.322 - my name on this resolution as it currently stands, because it lacks citations, and it's not clear what 01:33:40.322 --> 01:33:47.636 - it's actually trying to do. It's mostly without covering things that are not within the city's jurisdiction 01:33:47.636 --> 01:33:48.990 - that are the issue. 01:33:50.082 --> 01:33:57.319 - That said, I think with everything that we've learned today, I think there's an opportunity for some 01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:04.914 - good amendments to say something else about test management and application and the way it's used outside 01:34:04.914 --> 01:34:12.580 - of the city's jurisdiction and what we want to say about that, which is why I proposed postponing. Gotcha. 01:34:12.580 --> 01:34:18.814 - OK. Anyone else with thoughts about the decision to postpone this to the next meeting? 01:34:23.138 --> 01:34:30.705 - Then we'll go to a roll call vote. So this is a vote to postpone the consideration of this resolution 01:34:30.705 --> 01:34:38.791 - until our May regular business meeting. Yes. To clarify, so there was a motion to proceed with deliberation. 01:34:38.791 --> 01:34:46.209 - You can't postpone it until you voted to consider it, and then you can postpone. Right. So wouldn't 01:34:46.209 --> 01:34:49.918 - you do the vote first for the consideration then? 01:34:50.722 --> 01:34:56.855 - We've had a motion and a second for the consideration, and so that's what brought us into deliberation 01:34:56.855 --> 01:35:02.987 - about it. You don't have to vote on that part. Voting web yes or no, adopt it. It's a series of nested 01:35:02.987 --> 01:35:09.061 - things, and then you have to deal with the nested things. You can't postpone it until you've done the 01:35:09.061 --> 01:35:10.430 - motion to consider it. 01:35:13.986 --> 01:35:23.595 - I just wanted to make sure we were in proper order. There you go. All right, any further discussion 01:35:23.595 --> 01:35:33.396 - on the decision to postpone this until the next meeting? Okay, then we'll go to a vote on that. Tara? 01:35:33.396 --> 01:35:43.774 - Yes. Yes to postpone. Justin, I will abstain among the fans. Matt? Abstain. Abstain. Christopher? Yay. Yay. 01:35:43.874 --> 01:35:54.523 - Zach? No. No. Councilmember Rallo? Sure, yeah. Yep. Quentin? Yeah. Yes. Alex? Yes. Yes. Maria? Yes. 01:35:54.523 --> 01:36:05.598 - Yes. Shanghai is not on. Diana, is she on? Nope. Okay. And Ross? Yes. Yes. Okay. One, two, three, four, 01:36:05.598 --> 01:36:12.094 - five, six, seven. Yays. Two abstentions and one no. So, yes. 01:36:12.290 --> 01:36:17.819 - passes, and we will reconsider this at our next meeting. And in the meantime, folks can think about 01:36:17.819 --> 01:36:23.403 - amendments that they might want to offer. If anyone has any ideas of other guests that we might want 01:36:23.403 --> 01:36:28.932 - to bring in to address the commission, please let me know, and we'll try to get something like that 01:36:28.932 --> 01:36:34.461 - arranged. Sure. There is a little bit of confusion out there. I did receive an email asking that if 01:36:34.461 --> 01:36:39.326 - this commission passed this resolution, would the city of Bloomington automatically ban 01:36:39.970 --> 01:36:47.571 - the substance and the answer is no. This is an advisory session. It's only advisory. You're giving advice 01:36:47.571 --> 01:36:54.957 - to city council. Thank you for saying that. That's right. We can only make recommendations. Nobody has 01:36:54.957 --> 01:37:02.343 - to listen to it. That's right. Okay. Councilor Rurallo. Yeah, I just wanted to alert everybody. I sent 01:37:02.343 --> 01:37:08.510 - that data from 2015 to everybody's email account and it's a lengthy list of chemicals 01:37:08.898 --> 01:37:16.412 - It's not only glyphosate that's applied, it's a lot of other things, so you might have a look at that 01:37:16.412 --> 01:37:24.072 - before we continue to the discussion. And I'll try to get an updated, I'll request an updated list from 01:37:24.072 --> 01:37:31.807 - the Parks and Recs director. Councilmember Rallo, if you get that list from the Parks and Recs director, 01:37:31.807 --> 01:37:38.142 - will that only be Parks and Recs use of it though? Actually, I think it was citywide. 01:37:38.946 --> 01:37:46.301 - It was actually, I think it was the, I got from the deputy mayor at the time in 2015. And I think that 01:37:46.301 --> 01:37:53.728 - was sitting wide, but it's a good question. I mean, I see that it's used for various parks golf course. 01:37:53.728 --> 01:38:00.941 - If you, if you open it up, it's an Excel spreadsheet and then natural resources use. I don't know if 01:38:00.941 --> 01:38:07.582 - it's used for maybe by public works somewhere, you know, for sidewalks and things like that. 01:38:08.866 --> 01:38:17.197 - I want to find out. I'd also just encourage all the commissioners to review before next meeting to review 01:38:17.197 --> 01:38:25.136 - the integrated pest management plan. And just to make sure that whatever form of this resolution, is 01:38:25.136 --> 01:38:33.074 - it redundant or doesn't recommend things that are actually already in here? And knowing that they're 01:38:33.074 --> 01:38:37.790 - working on an updated version and any resolution could make 01:38:46.274 --> 01:38:52.099 - A question on logistics for next meeting. Does this take precedence over, will this be top of the agenda 01:38:52.099 --> 01:38:57.703 - again? Is that, that's my, I have a, I had two other. Yeah, we've got a backlog now. It doesn't have 01:38:57.703 --> 01:39:03.306 - to be. I mean, the ones for first reading come first naturally, so we don't necessarily have to move 01:39:03.306 --> 01:39:08.854 - that next time. And I have the Kirkwood one, which the program, if they were to restart it, which I 01:39:08.854 --> 01:39:14.457 - don't think I'm going to, but if they were going to, it would have been in May, which means it's too 01:39:14.457 --> 01:39:15.678 - late. Oh, fair point. 01:39:16.738 --> 01:39:24.817 - Yeah, we have some latitude there in terms of how we order the individual ones. Absolutely. Okay. So 01:39:24.817 --> 01:39:32.896 - we are done with that resolution for today. Now, since we are already over time, I'm going to make a 01:39:32.896 --> 01:39:41.055 - motion that we just adjourn and everything that we didn't get to today will be put off until the next 01:39:41.055 --> 01:39:45.854 - meeting. So next meeting should be a good busy one as well. 01:39:46.082 --> 01:39:53.104 - So I'll make that motion. Is there a second? Second. OK. There's a motion and a second to end the meeting, 01:39:53.104 --> 01:39:59.667 - to adjourn. Any discussion? Are there any member comments? Sorry? Any member announcements? Oh, no. 01:39:59.667 --> 01:40:06.361 - This is a motion to just end the meeting. Why did you have something? No. OK. Just to thank everybody 01:40:06.361 --> 01:40:12.596 - who's involved in coordinating the experts. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you, everybody 01:40:12.596 --> 01:40:14.302 - who participated tonight. 01:40:14.786 --> 01:40:21.319 - One quick question. How long would it have taken for us to get through the proposed resolutions in terms 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:27.852 - of moving them forward? Five minutes. Yeah, sort of. We have five minutes. There's going to be a backlog 01:40:27.852 --> 01:40:34.198 - anyway with this plus the other person. We've created a backlog by going too slow on this. It's okay. 01:40:34.198 --> 01:40:40.420 - It's not the other way around. Yeah, that's a good point. We could have just done the first reading 01:40:40.420 --> 01:40:42.846 - once real quick. It's okay. All right. 01:40:42.946 --> 01:40:51.316 - Yep. Okay. All right. So this is a vote to adjourn the meeting. Tara? Yes. Yes. Justin? Yes. Matt? Yes. 01:40:51.316 --> 01:40:59.525 - Yes. Christopher? Sure. Sure. Zach? I don't know. I think we should move on. No. Councilmember Rallo? 01:40:59.525 --> 01:41:07.975 - Yeah. Yes. Quentin? Yes. Yes. Alex? Yes. Yes. Marina? Yes. Yes. Shanghai is not here. Diana is not here. 01:41:07.975 --> 01:41:09.182 - And Roth? Yes. 01:41:09.410 --> 01:41:15.812 - Yes, okay. That's one no and the rest are yes. So we stand adjourned at 742. I want to remind everyone 01:41:15.812 --> 01:41:22.090 - that our next meeting is a special meeting later this month. The announcement will go out about that 01:41:22.090 --> 01:41:28.429 - soon. Ordinary booths will not be entertained. That's correct. This will be a special meeting that we 01:41:28.429 --> 01:41:34.334 - won't vote on anything. All we'll be doing is receiving this information. Thank you everybody.