WEBVTT 00:00:00.002 --> 00:00:11.802 - Well, we have a quorum. Do you want me to start the meeting? Sure. OK. I think we are recording, so 00:00:11.802 --> 00:00:24.074 - you're good. Yeah. I did hear that, yeah. Sorry. We have a quorum this Thursday, March 26. I have 6.02. 00:00:24.074 --> 00:00:29.502 - Call this meeting to order. Start. Let's see. 00:00:29.698 --> 00:00:39.904 - Do we do attendance right away or do we go right into the? I have no policy can be attendance right 00:00:39.904 --> 00:00:50.211 - away. Gotcha. OK. Gary Albright is absent. Looks like Heidi Brown is absent. Matt Colby here. At the 00:00:50.211 --> 00:00:59.294 - fair here. And Martinez here. Mitchell Owens here. Carl Geiser here. Justin Mester here. 00:00:59.554 --> 00:01:09.691 - I'm Rachel Johnson. All right. First item of business is the approval of the agenda. Is there anything 00:01:09.691 --> 00:01:19.534 - that anyone wants to add, move, or strike from the agenda tonight? Seeing nothing, that's indicated 00:01:19.534 --> 00:01:27.998 - as an item to be voted on. So will you all call the roll again to approve the agenda? 00:01:29.922 --> 00:01:38.684 - Matt. All right, I'm sorry. Adam Boutiker. Yes. Adam Martinez. Yes. Mitchell Owens. Yes. Kyle Geiser. 00:01:38.684 --> 00:01:47.446 - Yes. Despy Nester. Yes. Matt Colby. Yes. And Heidi Braun just entered. Heidi, do you want the vote on 00:01:47.446 --> 00:01:56.638 - the meeting minutes? Yes. That was actually just approval of intent. I'm so sorry. I heard something. Yes. 00:01:59.074 --> 00:02:06.301 - I'm so sorry. Did we have a first and second for that one? We do. We did not. We can restart. We'll 00:02:06.301 --> 00:02:13.528 - draft that vote. So I need a motion and a second. Motion to approve the agenda. Start again. I'm so 00:02:13.528 --> 00:02:20.899 - sorry about that. OK, we'll start with Adam Martinez this time. Yes. Mitchell Owens. Yes. Carl Dyser. 00:02:20.899 --> 00:02:28.126 - Yes. Beth Semester. Yes. Heidi Brown. Yes. Matt Falby. Yes. Adam Hudecker. Yes. Math motion passes. 00:02:28.514 --> 00:02:35.069 - Excellent. Thank you, Rachel. And I guess while we continue the run of procedural items here, I hope 00:02:35.069 --> 00:02:41.558 - everyone got a chance to look through the February minutes. If you weren't here or weren't a member 00:02:41.558 --> 00:02:47.593 - yet, it's totally acceptable to abstain from such a thing because you might not know exactly 00:02:47.593 --> 00:02:54.278 - how representative it is, but I will entertain a motion for approval of- I move to approve the meeting 00:02:54.278 --> 00:02:56.030 - minutes. We need a second. 00:02:56.258 --> 00:03:03.553 - Thank you, Adam. Rachel, when you're ready, we'll do again things called a roll. Mitchell Owens. Yes. 00:03:03.553 --> 00:03:11.276 - Carl Beiser. Yes. Dustin Mester. Yes. Heidi Brown. Yes. Matt Colby. Yes. Adam Budicker. Yes. Adam Martinez. 00:03:11.276 --> 00:03:18.499 - Yes. Motion passes. Excellent. Thank you, everyone. At this time, we have public comment, limited to 00:03:18.499 --> 00:03:25.150 - five minutes per person. Is there anyone here who would like to speak during public comment? 00:03:26.466 --> 00:03:35.080 - saving it for the related agenda, I'm assuming. Good deal. Anyone online offering to give public comment? 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:43.206 - If anybody wants to public comment, please raise your hands. And we'll hear her later. Fair enough. 00:03:43.206 --> 00:03:51.575 - Just wanted to give it a moment anyway, because I know things online sometimes lag a touch behind. But 00:03:51.575 --> 00:03:56.126 - seeing none, I suppose we will move on to new business. 00:03:56.706 --> 00:04:03.506 - The first order of business is to welcome the new members. Thank you both so much for applying and going 00:04:03.506 --> 00:04:09.981 - through the interview process and joining us here for your first official meeting. Carol might have 00:04:09.981 --> 00:04:16.781 - been with us for a few already. I was hoping we can all go around the room and kind of briefly introduce 00:04:16.781 --> 00:04:23.516 - ourselves, but I'm especially excited to hear from the new members. But I suppose I'll start. My name's 00:04:23.516 --> 00:04:26.430 - Matt Caldy. I'm the vice chair and treasurer 00:04:26.530 --> 00:04:34.924 - I've been on now for nine years, and I'm not actually any subject area expert whatsoever. I'm just a 00:04:34.924 --> 00:04:43.485 - try-hard guy who has not yet missed a meeting. That's what I hang my hat on here. Next to my left. I'm 00:04:43.485 --> 00:04:52.046 - Adam Martinez. I'm the secretary. It means I take notes. I'm in a similar boat, but not really subject 00:04:52.046 --> 00:04:55.038 - matter expert, but I like birds and 00:04:55.490 --> 00:05:06.794 - It's an area of interest. Yeah. I'm Justin Master, one of the new members. I don't know the background 00:05:06.794 --> 00:05:18.757 - you would like, but a little bit. My background is mostly in the sciences, environmental science. Previously 00:05:18.757 --> 00:05:24.574 - it was kind of coastal sciences and wetland ecology. 00:05:24.898 --> 00:05:32.304 - Which, you know, a lot of coastline led me to Bloomington in the end. And now, previously, apparently, 00:05:32.304 --> 00:05:39.566 - I'm the water quality coordinator for the city of Bloomington and Dillis. So most of my work has not 00:05:39.566 --> 00:05:47.045 - been any sciences, water quality, any climate change. But these are true facts. Excellent. Glad to have 00:05:47.045 --> 00:05:51.934 - you. Okay. I'm Farrell Dyson. Met some of you. I'm a fresh lighter. 00:05:52.098 --> 00:06:00.337 - microbial ecologist. I work at Indiana University, which is also where I got my bachelor's from. Since 00:06:00.337 --> 00:06:08.415 - my bachelor's, which was way back in 2016, I've worked in the same freshwater ecology area in Loyola 00:06:08.415 --> 00:06:16.894 - and then in Seattle and worked a bit more in applications to human health and disease. Now I'm back here. 00:06:18.434 --> 00:06:25.996 - And my interest in terms of the commission is basically everything, but, you know, specifically I was 00:06:25.996 --> 00:06:33.558 - in attendance for our subcommittee meeting earlier for the black pollution and I'm very interested in 00:06:33.558 --> 00:06:41.120 - outreach as well, so. Excellent, outreach is always a big one, so good to hear. All right, Heidi. Hi, 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:47.422 - everyone, I'm Heidi Brown and I'm a former GIS coordinator for Transparency in Texas 00:06:47.874 --> 00:06:56.920 - I went to UT SIN Planning School. That was my first career. I stepped away from planning for my second 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:05.702 - career, which is homeschool mom, to be a teacher. I went to the other, but I joined the board, so I 00:07:05.702 --> 00:07:14.572 - could get back into planning a little bit. But again. Thanks. My name is Adam Feudeker. I trained as 00:07:14.572 --> 00:07:17.470 - a biologist. My background is in 00:07:17.826 --> 00:07:25.832 - related to conservation. I'm going to talk here later today. I'm currently primarily focused on education, 00:07:25.832 --> 00:07:33.688 - and I've been on the mission for about a year, a little over a year. Hi, I'm Mitchell. I am also a water 00:07:33.688 --> 00:07:41.469 - quality person. And you two both just accidentally volunteered yourselves for the water quality working 00:07:41.469 --> 00:07:47.230 - group by telling me about friends. And you can help me get some things done. 00:07:47.490 --> 00:07:56.019 - because I had not been able to for a while. So this will be good. But yeah, I am a PhD candidate at 00:07:56.019 --> 00:08:04.548 - IU doing water policy stuff. And I also work for the state with IDEM doing water quality monitoring 00:08:04.548 --> 00:08:13.077 - with bugs. So I have lots to talk about. And I've been on board the commission for three years, two 00:08:13.077 --> 00:08:16.574 - or three years now, something like that. 00:08:16.994 --> 00:08:23.251 - Sneaks up on you. Yeah. And now it doesn't say, well, here I was appointed originally on the thing. 00:08:23.251 --> 00:08:29.695 - I have not. That keeps going around. Thank you, everyone, for being here. I'm not sure uniform process 00:08:29.695 --> 00:08:36.077 - is now with the status of onboarding for new members. But if there's ever any questions about whether 00:08:36.077 --> 00:08:42.459 - it's procedures or if we start using a bunch of acronyms, you don't know what they mean. Just holler. 00:08:42.459 --> 00:08:46.526 - And I guess this serves as a reminder to other members to try to 00:08:46.786 --> 00:08:54.574 - Trying to be clear about that here initially while people get up to speed. Next in new business is department 00:08:54.574 --> 00:09:01.865 - update and accessibility discussion. Yes. So I have Jackie Scanlon, Assistant Director of Planning and 00:09:01.865 --> 00:09:09.157 - Transportation here tonight. So we wanted to talk about accessibility updates because that's affecting 00:09:09.157 --> 00:09:12.414 - everybody as well as some department updates. 00:09:12.866 --> 00:09:19.062 - So I'll get the department updates out of the way because they are pretty easy and quick. So I'll be 00:09:19.062 --> 00:09:25.380 - on leave this summer from about June to September. So if somebody complaining, we'll be staffing these 00:09:25.380 --> 00:09:31.637 - meetings. So I will let you know who that person is, depends closer. And then I just wanted to remind 00:09:31.637 --> 00:09:37.771 - everybody for those who did not fill out the conflict of interest forms yet, please do so. I sent a 00:09:37.771 --> 00:09:41.758 - reminder out to those yesterday who haven't completed those yet. 00:09:42.466 --> 00:09:48.024 - I don't see it, so the clerk's office in legal sees it. So, not just, please fill those out. 00:09:48.024 --> 00:09:54.000 - And then we can, did you have any other non-accessibility updates for now? No, I think, well, I was 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:00.215 - trying to think business accessibility. Sorry, I have to scale on it. In a sense, we are trying to make 00:10:00.215 --> 00:10:06.370 - a consultation. The minutes, we're going to be doing differently. It's not an accessibility issue, but 00:10:06.370 --> 00:10:11.390 - it's more of a process across the organization issue. We met legal with some money. 00:10:11.682 --> 00:10:17.245 - And I know that historically your secretary has done once. There are actually only two boards 00:10:17.245 --> 00:10:23.164 - of commissioners in the city that do it that way, us and me, he costs. So what we're going to start 00:10:23.164 --> 00:10:29.083 - doing, there's like a very limited skeleton that's required legally. So Rachel, first of all, needs 00:10:29.083 --> 00:10:35.179 - to be reported. Also Rachel will be taking notes. So we have, most of her still is our office manager. 00:10:35.179 --> 00:10:41.630 - So she will do the skeleton and then she will send it to your secretary, right? Yeah. She'll send it to you. 00:10:41.826 --> 00:10:46.783 - probably like a Google Doc to share with you. And so then you can decide if there are like, what color 00:10:46.783 --> 00:10:51.691 - or things that you think are important to add, like for, you know, austerity in the official minutes, 00:10:51.691 --> 00:10:56.551 - then you can add those things into the skeleton that she's created. And then that's what we go ahead 00:10:56.551 --> 00:11:01.460 - and pack it. And for now, like Adam, I'll still send you the meeting agenda, like I did today. And so 00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:06.320 - you can actively take notes and then, yeah, you'll just work with Melissa on incorporating those for 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:11.180 - the formal. Yeah, so you'll get the meeting agenda to be ready to take whatever notes you want to in 00:11:11.180 --> 00:11:11.806 - the meeting. 00:11:11.970 --> 00:11:20.132 - And then probably within the week after the meeting, then Melissa will send you the skeleton and you'll 00:11:20.132 --> 00:11:28.294 - populate with whatever additional information you want to get there. Does that make sense to everybody? 00:11:28.294 --> 00:11:36.220 - Okay. Okay. So do you want to talk about Sicily? Yeah, so there was a federal rule. It was finalized 00:11:36.220 --> 00:11:37.790 - April 24th of 2024. 00:11:38.018 --> 00:11:44.556 - Basically gave municipalities of limited size two years to comply with this new standard of digital 00:11:44.556 --> 00:11:51.160 - accessibility. So I wrote down what the city's complying with. I don't know if this means anybody to 00:11:51.160 --> 00:11:57.830 - anybody, but it's the web content accessibility guidelines that we have with 2.2. So those are, I can 00:11:57.830 --> 00:12:03.518 - send those over email because there's more guidance online on how to comply with that. 00:12:03.682 --> 00:12:11.404 - But that's the standard that the city has chosen to pursue to comply with this federal rule. So that 00:12:11.404 --> 00:12:19.049 - means everything that the city provides to the public has to be digitally accessible. So that's why 00:12:19.049 --> 00:12:26.924 - we're transitioning to this Google Doc form. So even, and all of these deadlines have to be met at the 00:12:26.924 --> 00:12:28.606 - latest of April 24th. 00:12:28.898 --> 00:12:35.475 - So the city started to do this early, really just to train staff as well as, you know, who we work with 00:12:35.475 --> 00:12:42.052 - our collaborators to start doing this. So while this packet is not 100% accessible tonight, next month, 00:12:42.052 --> 00:12:48.629 - that's the goal, even though we're before that April 24th deadline. What this means for the commission, 00:12:48.629 --> 00:12:55.459 - all of our packet materials, such as Adam's presentation, those would have to meet accessibility guidelines 00:12:55.459 --> 00:12:58.494 - because the commission is a branch of the city. 00:12:59.106 --> 00:13:06.339 - So anything that the department receives from the commission, if you want it in the packet, if you want 00:13:06.339 --> 00:13:13.571 - it distributed, it has to meet those accessibility guidelines. So first off, I'll open it to questions. 00:13:13.571 --> 00:13:20.595 - I have more to say, but are there any questions about what I just said? Do you all have someone that 00:13:20.595 --> 00:13:27.550 - we can share documents or things with that can see if we're meeting the guidelines? Great question. 00:13:27.906 --> 00:13:35.193 - If everything goes to me, so I will be the one responsible to make sure everything's accessible. Is 00:13:35.193 --> 00:13:42.771 - there an app? Yeah, so there's going to be a training, legal student that I'm training to describe some 00:13:42.771 --> 00:13:50.349 - of this, and then they will also present resources. So, or like, yes, how we could go about determining 00:13:50.349 --> 00:13:57.854 - that on our own. Yeah. That's what we're, it's all kind of still in fussing and curve. It's ITS. Okay. 00:13:57.986 --> 00:14:04.974 - So we met legal this morning I think they're gonna like working conjunction so they so that the boards 00:14:04.974 --> 00:14:11.962 - of commissions can work. Yes, so that so that you can access the documents, because otherwise we can't 00:14:11.962 --> 00:14:15.422 - accept that thing. So as Adam alluded to it at IU. 00:14:15.778 --> 00:14:22.116 - They've been talking a lot about PDFs in particular, near impossible to reach accessibility standards. 00:14:22.116 --> 00:14:28.270 - One of the ways that they seem to be circumventing that is that it's okay if they provide a link to 00:14:28.270 --> 00:14:34.485 - one instead of providing a PDF itself. That is why we have things on our agenda. So whenever we have 00:14:34.485 --> 00:14:40.454 - something, now anything submitted by commission members, you are considered as part of the city. 00:14:40.454 --> 00:14:45.438 - Say we have, for example, the representative from DNR that we had 15 months ago. 00:14:45.698 --> 00:14:52.540 - Um, that gave their, who's your Overwatch presentation. We can accept that and we would put that link 00:14:52.540 --> 00:14:59.515 - on here with the tag that's third party content. So, um, that's how we start to navigate that. However, 00:14:59.515 --> 00:15:06.759 - you guys would all have to comply with city accessibility. Okay. So generally speaking, this won't probably 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:10.046 - have a large impact on commissioners unless say. 00:15:11.394 --> 00:15:17.260 - outreach is trying to determine what they want on like website changes or anything like that. Yes, like 00:15:17.260 --> 00:15:22.958 - they could flyers and writing letters for council or those many things. It's all going to have to be 00:15:22.958 --> 00:15:28.824 - accessible. Some of that stuff, like we'll have a template, we can give people a letter like that. That 00:15:28.824 --> 00:15:34.521 - would be good. But putting a flyer together is a bigger lift probably, you know, unless you can find 00:15:34.521 --> 00:15:40.670 - a template. So yeah, it's all brand new to us as well. We've literally known about it for a while. Not long. 00:15:40.962 --> 00:15:46.698 - You know, Rachel's done a great job of kind of starting you guys out. There's only one other, the VCA, 00:15:46.698 --> 00:15:52.434 - which is being right now. So they have their packet, mostly accessible, but none of our other students 00:15:52.434 --> 00:15:58.170 - do yet. Um, so you guys are a little bit ahead of the pack, but yeah, we just wanted to make, make you 00:15:58.170 --> 00:16:03.850 - aware that that is going to start changing after this one. Yes. Or next month. So, um, kind of moving 00:16:03.850 --> 00:16:08.862 - on to some of the other points I had, which I think will cause other discussions. Um, so. 00:16:09.378 --> 00:16:15.016 - Part of what this means is that anything that is on the website currently that does not meet 00:16:15.016 --> 00:16:21.139 - these accessibility guidelines, it's either removed or it goes into an archive. So I've removed some 00:16:21.139 --> 00:16:27.201 - of the more outdated items. Like for example, we had a report I think from 2001 on our ECU website. 00:16:27.201 --> 00:16:33.324 - So things like that have been removed. I still have copies of them, but there's not available on our 00:16:33.324 --> 00:16:39.326 - website. I am remediating some documents such as the bylaws, Wilmington Habitat Connectivity Plan, 00:16:39.682 --> 00:16:44.995 - met the most recent air quality report. And I think there's another document I'm working on remediating. 00:16:44.995 --> 00:16:50.055 - I don't know about have them all remediated by April 24th. So that means it might, there might be a 00:16:50.055 --> 00:16:55.166 - gap. I'm working on remediating them for now. But things like the brochure, one of those things were 00:16:55.166 --> 00:17:00.327 - updated. That's a heavier lift to update a brochure. So those have been removed for now. Like I said, 00:17:00.327 --> 00:17:05.387 - there's still copies of them internally. Is there, right. So would there then, are we likely headed 00:17:05.387 --> 00:17:07.006 - towards a place where we'd have 00:17:07.234 --> 00:17:14.316 - say an archive of brochures or is that something you would prefer leaving down? I think I don't have 00:17:14.316 --> 00:17:21.538 - an answer to that right now. We could have maybe have an archive of brochures. I have to talk with ITS 00:17:21.538 --> 00:17:28.550 - and we know about that. However, since I know some of what we're trying to remediate to is physical 00:17:28.550 --> 00:17:35.422 - accessibility too. Yes, Taylor. Can I ask for verification on when you can buy archive brochures? 00:17:36.258 --> 00:17:43.056 - Well, I guess when Rachel mentioned they neither have to be archived or brought down. I guess I don't 00:17:43.056 --> 00:17:49.721 - exactly know for sure. We pulled off a website. We were told to clean our website. We just send ITS 00:17:49.721 --> 00:17:56.653 - brand and show us all our BS that don't match. So then we were told if they're outdated or not helpful, 00:17:56.653 --> 00:18:03.385 - then take them off. And then we could either update them so that they're accessible and then they'll 00:18:03.385 --> 00:18:04.318 - be left on or 00:18:04.482 --> 00:18:10.068 - on the weekend of birthday, they will pull all of the ones that do not meet accessibility guidelines 00:18:10.068 --> 00:18:15.821 - and they will go in something called the archive. And there's a webpage where we will be able to direct 00:18:15.821 --> 00:18:21.629 - people. So like, if you're like, oh, I used to get this on the website, but it was something that didn't 00:18:21.629 --> 00:18:27.436 - update because it was a 10-year-old plant, they can go to the archive and still read it. And the archive 00:18:27.436 --> 00:18:31.806 - is clear that like, this stuff is not accessible. Is that accurate? Yes. Okay. 00:18:32.034 --> 00:18:37.901 - So if I wanted to make sure I had this right, the RFI is kind of like the, we may make the rule, every 00:18:37.901 --> 00:18:43.711 - municipality in the world when I have to make all of my jobs even successful, and I've existed since, 00:18:43.711 --> 00:18:49.635 - you know, like some of the ones in Boston, which are like, hey, back to 1776 in old England, you'd want 00:18:49.635 --> 00:18:55.673 - me to make those accessible, right? So they said, okay, you can put them all into a database essentially, 00:18:55.673 --> 00:18:59.262 - the RFI, so you don't have to do that. Now, I mean, oh, sorry, 00:18:59.490 --> 00:19:04.767 - No, you're good. I was just going to say, so the archive exists, but it's not something that would be 00:19:04.767 --> 00:19:10.354 - linked to on the page. So what we can do is like come up with like a template, you know, like for instance, 00:19:10.354 --> 00:19:16.045 - legalized, maybe working on templates for clients for the city. So it's like, we gave you like an accessible, 00:19:16.045 --> 00:19:21.270 - real sure template, right? That you can then, you know, move it, you know, plug in whatever you need 00:19:21.270 --> 00:19:26.701 - and that kind of thing. But the archive will be on the city website sometimes. Yes. Yes. I mean, through 00:19:26.701 --> 00:19:28.926 - the archive. It'll become clear to people. 00:19:29.218 --> 00:19:36.912 - Really website that is. Yes, and hopefully. So while we're remediating some of the older documents, 00:19:36.912 --> 00:19:44.837 - some have been removed. Some are going to be remediated. New documents will have to be received by the 00:19:44.837 --> 00:19:51.454 - department. So the documents I've already mentioned, we're kind of tag teaming. Yeah. 00:19:52.962 --> 00:19:58.940 - And like you guys said, there are, if you want to update research from NAICS, like you all can do that 00:19:58.940 --> 00:20:04.802 - and we will put that on if they're accessible. We just have to kind of make a decision based on what 00:20:04.802 --> 00:20:10.838 - prioritized signs there are some types of update and the things that will go in our archives or in your 00:20:10.838 --> 00:20:16.816 - log. Yeah. I personally very much appreciate the remediation efforts on the more recent ones. I'm sure 00:20:16.816 --> 00:20:20.414 - that my report did not remotely meet accessibility standards. 00:20:20.642 --> 00:20:26.109 - But yeah, especially the things we've had in the last decade seem important to be up there. And if they 00:20:26.109 --> 00:20:31.628 - obviously, if they need to be pulled before the 24th to not break federal law, that makes perfect sense. 00:20:31.628 --> 00:20:36.937 - But then hopefully they are returned once they're completed. So thank you, Rachel, for your efforts. 00:20:36.937 --> 00:20:42.456 - Yeah. Any other questions about that? I have one more question. And you probably already, but I'm still, 00:20:42.456 --> 00:20:45.662 - if we create an argument, how do we know if it's accessible? 00:20:46.370 --> 00:20:52.835 - Uh, good question for binders. I've asked about this. Um, I've asked that, uh, They, if there are any 00:20:52.835 --> 00:20:59.236 - guidance documents being created specifically for boards of commissions, the answer right now is no, 00:20:59.236 --> 00:21:05.764 - that we're really relying on the training to do this. Uh, the training should roll out sometime in the 00:21:05.764 --> 00:21:12.926 - next couple of months. From my understanding, other department has made a document, uh, for their collaborators. 00:21:13.218 --> 00:21:20.068 - And aligning what we're looking for. So we'll get a document. Yeah. So that I'll send out to you all. 00:21:20.068 --> 00:21:26.984 - Okay. And you submit ratio will be able to run it. Yes. And there's something wrong. She can tell you. 00:21:26.984 --> 00:21:32.894 - Is there is there software that we can run just to check about us. It's called grapple. 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:46.961 - Okay. It's like citywide. I have no idea if that's, if it will be for city. Yeah. There are websites 00:21:46.961 --> 00:22:01.214 - that do that, but I cannot attest to how reliable they are. Okay. Um, I think those were the main items. 00:22:01.538 --> 00:22:09.736 - I wanted to cover about accessibility. Jackie, do you have anything else to cover about accessibility? 00:22:09.736 --> 00:22:17.616 - No, that's all I have. Okay. Anyone else have any final questions or comments on the accessibility 00:22:17.616 --> 00:22:26.052 - discussion? Seeing none, I suppose we'll move on to new business. Business item C, question and response, 00:22:26.052 --> 00:22:30.430 - the Civil Meets and Legal Department. Okay, so we have 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:39.984 - attorney Taylor around with us. He joined us last time. So because the discussion was really interrupted 00:22:39.984 --> 00:22:48.836 - by the weather emergency last month, we wanted to continue. And I think there were some outstanding 00:22:48.836 --> 00:22:58.750 - questions for legal. So Taylor, I'm just going to let them open the floor unless you have anything you want to. 00:22:59.010 --> 00:23:06.088 - ODL pulled up, I've got the BioLos pulled up, I've got Blooms and Toad pulled up, Rapid Fire, once again. 00:23:06.088 --> 00:23:13.365 - Okay. I have several lines of questioning, but I'd like to open the floor to other members of the commission 00:23:13.365 --> 00:23:20.376 - before I get gone. But are you screaming for the data so you're not like talking at them and I'm looming 00:23:20.376 --> 00:23:25.918 - behind you? No, I mean, it doesn't really bother me, but you're more than welcome. 00:23:26.594 --> 00:23:33.983 - The only thing it's here for is the camera. I'm just going to wonder why I'm always looking different 00:23:33.983 --> 00:23:41.299 - ways instead of at it. Well, you know, some people get itchy when it's like looming behind, you know 00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:48.688 - what I mean? But OK. Commissioners, any questions for legal? I know one of the places we left off was 00:23:48.688 --> 00:23:56.222 - trying to figure out how to make ECPC memos work, given that it's time sensitive often to get it before 00:23:56.706 --> 00:24:03.276 - BZA or plane commissioner, whoever it is, given very short amount of time between Gondati's meeting 00:24:03.276 --> 00:24:09.846 - and the others. Yes. So one of the things we've started talking about last time, but you won't have 00:24:09.846 --> 00:24:16.942 - more time to look at it, which is completely understandable, is look at a framework. Since in the handbook, 00:24:16.942 --> 00:24:23.578 - we have to approve anything done by a working group. If there was a way we could vote in the meeting 00:24:23.578 --> 00:24:24.958 - before to approve of 00:24:25.730 --> 00:24:32.767 - a memo that the ECPC is about to write. You seemed to indicate that there were possibilities. Yes. I 00:24:32.767 --> 00:24:39.734 - guess that's my first question is, do you have any update on that process? Yes, I haven't found so. 00:24:39.734 --> 00:24:46.702 - I was a two-year-old that asked why 10,000 plans and I never grew out of it. I try to give a little 00:24:46.702 --> 00:24:54.366 - bit of why whenever I give context for these kinds of things, especially if this legal stuff is just so like, 00:24:54.658 --> 00:25:02.063 - I could not find anything that says otherwise, which means yes. But when trying to prove a negative, 00:25:02.063 --> 00:25:09.614 - when I don't have an immediate answer, it means one or two things either doesn't exist and you're good 00:25:09.614 --> 00:25:17.312 - to go, or it means something is hidden somewhere and that makes me nervous. So it was me verifying that. 00:25:17.312 --> 00:25:24.350 - I went and looked in all the nooks and crannies that I could think of. There was nothing there. 00:25:24.482 --> 00:25:30.227 - So you should be good to give kind of like a, you know, we give this commission, you write that up, 00:25:30.227 --> 00:25:36.088 - the subcommittee, is that right? Yep. Write that up, we vote and, you know, yes, you know what you're 00:25:36.088 --> 00:25:41.948 - doing, go for it, and we'll get you going. Very much appreciated. Yeah, it's one of those things that 00:25:41.948 --> 00:25:47.866 - was so tight on time that it's like, it's already not all that many days for the subcommittee to write 00:25:47.866 --> 00:25:53.726 - the memo. So then after call a special meeting just to vote for it and then send everyone home feels, 00:25:53.922 --> 00:26:01.281 - feels like a little much, so I am very grateful that it seems like we have a method here. Yeah. 00:26:01.281 --> 00:26:08.947 - Before I ask. Thank you for your patience. And I made sure, you know. I know you like to cover your 00:26:08.947 --> 00:26:16.766 - bases. Yeah. I can't help what I am. You chose this life. I chose this life. Sure. Before I continue, 00:26:16.766 --> 00:26:23.742 - I again want to check in with other commissioners and make sure I'm not hogging the floor. 00:26:24.482 --> 00:26:33.433 - One of the questions I previously sent in, let me find it in my notes. Well, say we had nine people 00:26:33.433 --> 00:26:43.010 - on the commission and three of them were interested in researching and discussing light pollution. Working 00:26:43.010 --> 00:26:52.498 - groups didn't exist. Could those three members email each other about light pollution? In this situation, 00:26:52.498 --> 00:26:53.662 - it would not 00:26:54.082 --> 00:27:01.293 - be a quorum of the commission falling well short of the majority of members. And according to the definition 00:27:01.293 --> 00:27:07.314 - of a meeting in open door laws, it's a gathering of the majority of the governing body. So 00:27:07.314 --> 00:27:14.327 - it's my understanding that emails would not constitute a meeting in this scenario. Does this sound right? 00:27:14.327 --> 00:27:20.943 - And the response that I got back was that it sounds right. So I guess I just wanted to confirm that 00:27:20.943 --> 00:27:22.398 - the main reason we're 00:27:22.626 --> 00:27:28.417 - So handcuffed and be able to communicate with one another is our working groups or subcommittees as 00:27:28.417 --> 00:27:34.209 - they be legally known. Um, I just wanted to air that publicly because previously I didn't even know 00:27:34.209 --> 00:27:40.289 - that's understood. So let me give you a little bit of a why there, right? And why maybe asking different 00:27:40.289 --> 00:27:46.428 - attorneys will maybe give you slightly different theory responses. The whole purpose of what we're trying 00:27:46.428 --> 00:27:49.150 - to do is avoid what's called a serial meeting. 00:27:49.346 --> 00:27:56.860 - Right. Which is essentially for those who aren't as familiar with Google, by the way, I don't know who 00:27:56.860 --> 00:28:04.155 - wrote the bios, but I looked and saw like the leader. One of it was, it was like verbatim, the OVL. 00:28:04.155 --> 00:28:11.669 - And so I was like, whoever it was, did such a good job, whoever did it. But a serial meeting for terms 00:28:11.669 --> 00:28:18.526 - of open global assets is essentially an attempt by commissions because somebody did something 00:28:19.330 --> 00:28:25.486 - to try to avoid a public meeting. So for instance, if I went around to each and every one of you and 00:28:25.486 --> 00:28:31.703 - asked you the same question, hey, would you be good with this? Yes. Would you be good with this? Yes. 00:28:31.703 --> 00:28:38.042 - And then I go to each and every one of you. And then we kind of all know that that's already happening. 00:28:38.042 --> 00:28:44.137 - That would technically be a decision that is being made between parties of the commission while not 00:28:44.137 --> 00:28:48.830 - being voted on. That's still a, like, information being kind of, it has the, 00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:56.530 - color of, is what they use it. It's, it's, it's icky, right? It hides, you're hiding the ball essentially 00:28:56.530 --> 00:29:03.265 - of how you're coming to decisions, which is why the ODM exists, right? So in your specific example about 00:29:03.265 --> 00:29:09.680 - like three of the nine for light pollution, if those three, you know, oh, we're going to get it for 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:15.838 - light pollution, but we're also here, right? We are also subcommittee members of this thing and 00:29:16.066 --> 00:29:22.735 - While we're here, by the way, did you get my email right now? Now we're in trouble. And so that's why 00:29:22.735 --> 00:29:28.750 - we have this like, some attorneys are like, nobody talked to anybody else until we show up. 00:29:28.750 --> 00:29:35.289 - Some are like, yeah, you're fine. Just don't talk about anything substantive, right? It all depends 00:29:35.289 --> 00:29:38.558 - on the attorney. It all depends on whether or not 00:29:38.786 --> 00:29:44.429 - There have been issues in the past with some commissions about trying to get things done outside of 00:29:44.429 --> 00:29:50.354 - an open reading, which then leads to liability for the city. So hopefully I give a little bit of context 00:29:50.354 --> 00:29:56.110 - and I think you should be fine if you wanted to talk about that. And there's no, you know, no corn is 00:29:56.110 --> 00:30:01.810 - being met with those three, if that makes sense. No, I appreciate the clarification. That was pretty 00:30:01.810 --> 00:30:07.622 - much what I've gathered from when I tried to research it myself. It's been good again to have that out 00:30:07.622 --> 00:30:08.638 - in the open here. 00:30:08.962 --> 00:30:16.594 - A question I didn't prepare to just hit me is, once upon a time, many, many years ago, certain commissioners 00:30:16.594 --> 00:30:23.665 - that they found a really interesting environmental article would just forward it to the whole group. 00:30:23.665 --> 00:30:30.947 - Is that a thing that isn't allowed because it's considered commission business or it's really more just 00:30:30.947 --> 00:30:35.358 - they're sharing something from somewhere that they found about 00:30:35.650 --> 00:30:42.023 - how highways contribute to air pollution or whatever it would be. So now here's where it gets into that 00:30:42.023 --> 00:30:48.211 - legal independence area, right? What's the content of the article? Why are you sharing it, right? Is 00:30:48.211 --> 00:30:54.339 - it to discuss in a meeting or is it just because, hey, this was a nifty thing that I think is cool? 00:30:54.339 --> 00:31:00.528 - And other people that are in the committee, the commission with me also think these things are cool, 00:31:00.528 --> 00:31:05.246 - right? Thinking things are cool, awesome. Senator, right? No problems there. 00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:09.947 - If it ends up being something you want to discuss at a commissioning like, Hey, can we do something 00:31:09.947 --> 00:31:14.575 - like implement something like that here? That's where I, my flag will go off. And I'd say, let's send 00:31:14.575 --> 00:31:19.066 - that to the staff liaison and say, let's put these in the material. So that way we can discuss it. 00:31:19.066 --> 00:31:23.739 - That was, that was going to be my follow-up hypothetical. If someone did say, Oh man, this is actually 00:31:23.739 --> 00:31:28.276 - really cool. They could then get it to Rachel to get in the, in the packet, essentially. Precisely. 00:31:28.276 --> 00:31:33.040 - So that way it's more, so that way it's exciting, you know, because again, in taking information, right? 00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:34.174 - So the public will know. 00:31:34.306 --> 00:31:40.597 - Here's where we got the idea from. It's that kind of transparency that is, uh, what we're hunting after. 00:31:40.597 --> 00:31:46.767 - Got it. Yeah. I just, I know that in open door laws, an email can constitute a meeting and that it was 00:31:46.767 --> 00:31:52.818 - definitely a form of the body, but as long as it wasn't commissioned business. And as you indicated, 00:31:52.818 --> 00:31:58.989 - it wouldn't have been yet. Right. Commissioned business. Yeah. Seems. And again, I had, so I, so maybe 00:31:58.989 --> 00:32:03.902 - let's follow that example that if you down the article, just a smidge, right? So. 00:32:04.386 --> 00:32:09.338 - Say you send something out, I think this is cool. Another commissioner goes, oh, I'd love to talk about 00:32:09.338 --> 00:32:14.243 - this. Don't reply to the email and say, let's talk about that, because that would constitute a quorum, 00:32:14.243 --> 00:32:19.100 - which then constitutes business, which then, you know, right, all of them are down this fall. So that 00:32:19.100 --> 00:32:23.957 - commissioner who says, oh, this is really cool. I think you should talk about this. That commissioner 00:32:23.957 --> 00:32:28.862 - sends it to the staff and staff and liaison and says, let's talk about this at the commission meeting. 00:32:29.090 --> 00:32:34.825 - Can I get, just as a point of clarification on that, obviously they shouldn't reply all and say we should 00:32:34.825 --> 00:32:40.289 - talk about this, but if they reply to that one individual to say- That is fine. They just accept it, 00:32:40.289 --> 00:32:45.969 - right? Yes. That would be- That would be- Especially if it's- Either of them can send it to the liaison. 00:32:45.969 --> 00:32:51.704 - Precisely. Yes. Absolutely. Got it. Sometimes when you know the why behind some of this stuff, it becomes 00:32:51.704 --> 00:32:57.222 - a little bit more or less like, oh my gosh, I can't send an email. I'm more like, oh, okay, it's just 00:32:57.222 --> 00:32:58.142 - because I can't. 00:32:58.498 --> 00:33:04.743 - Accidentally critical right so just making sure we don't have you aren't mixing the wrong ingredients 00:33:04.743 --> 00:33:10.927 - and ending up with something we don't That Really was the bulk of what I wanted to know so I'm gonna 00:33:10.927 --> 00:33:17.234 - again Call out to other commissioners if they have any questions for they know if we're not gonna have 00:33:17.234 --> 00:33:23.418 - legal every day So I have a question. It's a very basic question. I'm gonna finish you need all this 00:33:23.418 --> 00:33:25.438 - open door stuff is new to me and 00:33:25.698 --> 00:33:33.866 - But for an advisory board like the Environmental Commission, what would be the liability to the city 00:33:33.866 --> 00:33:42.195 - if you were to violate that law? I'm just kind of curious to see what the, how heavy the ramifications 00:33:42.195 --> 00:33:50.686 - are, so to speak. So that question makes me very, okay. What do you want to do? No, it's more of like a, 00:33:50.882 --> 00:33:59.046 - By liability to the city. I mean, like, we just, we just finished a federal lawsuit based on business 00:33:59.046 --> 00:34:07.050 - that may or may not have been conducted at a Board of Federal Works meeting from 2022. Three years. 00:34:07.050 --> 00:34:15.774 - Outside council deposition witnesses went all the way to trial at a bench trial and federal court. Right. So 00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:23.178 - liability could be huge. I don't know what the business is getting conducted, right? If, you know, come 00:34:23.178 --> 00:34:29.441 - up with an example, you know, there could be huge, I mean, like attorney's fees alone, right? If something 00:34:29.441 --> 00:34:35.295 - comes back, like you go through all that time and all that energy, and then they come back and win, 00:34:35.295 --> 00:34:41.441 - the attorney's fee is associated with the imposing part, right? So then all of a sudden, they're sitting 00:34:41.441 --> 00:34:45.246 - on the hook for all of the attorney's fees of the opposing side. 00:34:45.346 --> 00:34:51.219 - That's just one of the consequences of potentially doing something. Do I think it's going to be that 00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:57.499 - bad all the time? That's kind of what we're all a little bit, all the lawyers are a little bit doomsday-ish 00:34:57.499 --> 00:35:03.373 - and emergency management-ish, right? Very risk averse. And so we don't want to have an opening where 00:35:03.373 --> 00:35:09.304 - something could sneak in and drive through, right? Which is why like the accessibility staff, we want 00:35:09.304 --> 00:35:14.014 - to make sure that everything is accessible and comply with federal rules, right? 00:35:14.146 --> 00:35:22.777 - A, because we're good people, right? We want to make sure everybody can see stuff. And two, it's a federal 00:35:22.777 --> 00:35:31.085 - rule. But three, there are penalties associated with not having proper documents. And then some people 00:35:31.085 --> 00:35:37.054 - would not hesitate to file actions based on a perceived slight indignity. 00:35:37.154 --> 00:35:42.785 - saying the city is discriminating because this particular action item wasn't accessible, I couldn't 00:35:42.785 --> 00:35:48.417 - read it on a screen reader, and now all of a sudden I couldn't say my piece in public, right? Which 00:35:48.417 --> 00:35:54.048 - then would set back a whole thing. I could, I mean, I'm sorry, I dig into a little bit of professor 00:35:54.048 --> 00:35:59.680 - mode, because I have my Tweed jacket, there's not a whole lot of patches, right? But there's whole, 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:05.086 - I mean, the web of multiverse realities that we could go down is endless. Very long story long. 00:36:05.378 --> 00:36:16.126 - It could be anything. Thank you. Yeah, of course. Sorry for the profession. No, yeah, I think we know 00:36:16.126 --> 00:36:26.874 - that, you know, Carl wasn't up to anything with that question. I just probably wanted to know what it 00:36:26.874 --> 00:36:30.878 - is. Is it funny? Is it a fine answer? 00:36:31.138 --> 00:36:38.981 - Why are you taking this opportunity to learn from our expert in the room? Any other commissioners with 00:36:38.981 --> 00:36:46.823 - questions for Taylor? So going back to some of Matt's questions, the gist I got from what you said was 00:36:46.823 --> 00:36:54.590 - basically if we're not meeting quorum, a lot more is permissible. Well, I mean, obviously, I guess if 00:36:54.590 --> 00:36:59.006 - we're not meeting quorum, what exactly can we talk about? 00:36:59.330 --> 00:37:06.696 - things related to the environmental commission? Like if I run into Matt on the street, can we say something 00:37:06.696 --> 00:37:13.789 - about? See, that was like, pants encounters are always okay. But if, yeah, if we planned to have lunch, 00:37:13.789 --> 00:37:20.883 - would we be allowed to talk about anything? So, okay. I'm going to say that and give us the two stages. 00:37:20.883 --> 00:37:27.294 - Technically, no. Technically, no, you're not violating. Technically, no, you're totally fine. 00:37:29.602 --> 00:37:35.554 - If you had say three people that you happened to meet and you were like, okay, let's chat. Right. And 00:37:35.554 --> 00:37:41.506 - then all of a sudden you were like, Hey, this was cool. Let's do this again sometime. Right. Or like, 00:37:41.506 --> 00:37:47.108 - Hey, we're meeting with the same, the same three people are meeting consistently at this place. 00:37:47.108 --> 00:37:52.943 - At this time, you have not created a customer breakfast. Right. Which then indicates there might be 00:37:52.943 --> 00:37:57.086 - some sort of information or some sort of deliberation happening there. 00:37:57.250 --> 00:38:02.985 - Would that constitute a subcommittee from the purposes of the commission, right? Is it just an unauthorized 00:38:02.985 --> 00:38:08.560 - subcommittee, right? Or something like that. That's where I start getting purpose. Does that make sense? 00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:14.030 - So three, you know, three people really interested in this topic. I totally get, and let me share some 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:19.446 - articles if you want to get it together every now and again to talk about something that's important. 00:38:19.446 --> 00:38:22.526 - Absolutely. When you're like, Hey, let's meet every week. 00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:29.773 - Let's talk about this stuff. And then you'd be consistently bringing that to the commission. Right. 00:38:29.773 --> 00:38:36.855 - It's again, it's creating the intake of information is kind of the overarching thing. Yeah. I mean, 00:38:36.855 --> 00:38:44.009 - three people that's assuming you're not meeting the quorum for a subcommittee. Does that make sense? 00:38:44.009 --> 00:38:48.542 - You think so? I don't know what follow up question I would ask. 00:38:48.706 --> 00:38:55.371 - Yes. Because I can try to explain it in another way. No, I think I'm following. I'm talking 00:38:55.371 --> 00:39:02.615 - larger subcommittees. Well, you see they just can't get so large that they would meet quorum of the 00:39:02.615 --> 00:39:10.149 - body. Yeah. Got you. That's the idea of the thread. Also say working groups and subcommittees are going 00:39:10.149 --> 00:39:16.958 - to be going away next year. Subject to mayoral and council approval. That's another solution. 00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:25.349 - Well, then that goes along with something that I was eventually going to bring up later on this agenda. 00:39:25.349 --> 00:39:34.085 - But that's an interesting glimpse by the curtain of the future of boards and commissions. So any subcommittee 00:39:34.085 --> 00:39:41.470 - at that point would need to be approved by which body or bodies? Mayor's office and council. 00:39:42.882 --> 00:39:48.232 - So there's going to be like, of course, like standing committees, blanket or full, yes, of course, we 00:39:48.232 --> 00:39:53.687 - have rules, right? Staffs for committees, that kind of thing. But then otherwise, it's going to be like 00:39:53.687 --> 00:39:58.985 - a, hey, so you move this up committee, I want to make sure that we're not just creating three serial 00:39:58.985 --> 00:40:04.387 - leadings. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, take them in front of you. What we're protecting ourselves 00:40:04.387 --> 00:40:09.318 - from, yes. I'm sorry, legal, I beated that at work. So that's kind of my job is kind of, shh. 00:40:09.318 --> 00:40:11.678 - You're forgiven. Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:40:11.938 --> 00:40:19.098 - Rachel, did you happen to know? I don't think our working groups or subcommittees are actually listed 00:40:19.098 --> 00:40:26.679 - in the handbook or bylaws or anything. Are they? They were removed because I made that subsequent document, 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:33.839 - which is not accessible. That's fine. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something in there that 00:40:33.839 --> 00:40:39.806 - says, we have a water working group. We have an eco heroes working group. Thank you. 00:40:40.866 --> 00:40:47.528 - I will say Taylor is not staying for this handbook discussion. So if there's any pressing questions 00:40:47.528 --> 00:40:54.324 - about the handbook, this would also be the time to ask Taylor. I assumed you weren't staying for that 00:40:54.324 --> 00:41:01.386 - discussion. I mean, depending how long it is, if you need me to stick around for the handbook discussion. 00:41:01.386 --> 00:41:08.114 - We could always reorganize the agenda. That would be up to the commission. Would you be able just to 00:41:08.114 --> 00:41:10.846 - pull up the proposed amendments and have 00:41:11.042 --> 00:41:17.688 - Taylor say whether he believes those are problematic. Is it the one with the Anna Holmes's edits? Yeah, 00:41:17.688 --> 00:41:24.461 - there's some edits for Matt. Oh, from Matt as well. Yeah, a specific proposal. I didn't post that because 00:41:24.461 --> 00:41:30.852 - they were official. Yeah, I think if you're willing to just take a look at those for us, that would 00:41:30.852 --> 00:41:34.494 - be the best way for us to not abuse your time and to not 00:41:34.978 --> 00:41:41.470 - Maneuver the agenda into an order that doesn't make sense. And if it would be easier for the Commission 00:41:41.470 --> 00:41:47.899 - on how could you just wait until that comes up on the agenda. I had until eight on my calendar anyway. 00:41:47.899 --> 00:41:54.329 - So. Well, I will leave that completely up to you, because if you. I would of course like to go. That's 00:41:54.329 --> 00:41:55.390 - why I wanted to. 00:41:55.938 --> 00:42:02.231 - Right, because coming up soon, we have a presentation from Adam that I'm sure you'd enjoy. But again, 00:42:02.231 --> 00:42:08.709 - we don't need to hold to your honor to be here. I wonder if the handbook discussion makes the most sense 00:42:08.709 --> 00:42:15.002 - here in our agenda. I guess we could still move to modify the agenda if we felt like it. But yeah, if 00:42:15.002 --> 00:42:21.480 - you're just willing to glance at those and see if there's anything that we should not be able to propose 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:22.590 - that is proposed, 00:42:22.914 --> 00:42:29.680 - Uh, that that's pretty much easy to answer that for me. So I put, um, what type of edits they were. 00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:36.648 - So, um, some of these legal edits, um, council moves some stuff in the morning from the municipal code 00:42:36.648 --> 00:42:43.752 - of how, or where they talk about work missions. So simply 2026-04 is the ordinance. They haven't updated 00:42:43.752 --> 00:42:51.262 - the code yet, but these are basically just a consolidation. Yes. So that's what some of these numbers are. Um, 00:42:53.474 --> 00:43:01.542 - Let's see. Just making the sea on city lowercase. Yeah. It wasn't throughout the document. Okay. I want 00:43:01.542 --> 00:43:09.378 - to try to get to the meat of some of these. So here are a couple of the legal edits. Oh, this is the 00:43:09.378 --> 00:43:17.679 - code of conduct. I haven't shared all our commission members yet. Okay. I can't remember Jennifer Crossley 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.774 - mentioned this last month. 00:43:20.130 --> 00:43:25.795 - They are going to start rolling out some sort of form for you all to sign, saying there's like, you 00:43:25.795 --> 00:43:31.688 - will comply with the rules that we propose, acceptability requirements. I don't know if you had to sign 00:43:31.688 --> 00:43:37.353 - something as main members. Okay. So I haven't rolled that out yet, apparently. That's what we'll be 00:43:37.353 --> 00:43:39.166 - rolling out. In the works. Yes. 00:43:40.194 --> 00:43:47.829 - I'm assuming legal is gonna be okay with legal edits, right? I'm more worried about mine. Oh, your edits? 00:43:47.829 --> 00:43:55.465 - Okay. Yeah. Yeah, legal edits. Okay, I will go to Matt. Sorry, I don't need to push you to skip anything. 00:43:55.465 --> 00:44:02.884 - No. So, Matt, you offer, or you suggested removing some of the language about the nominating committee 00:44:02.884 --> 00:44:08.286 - and how we do elections. So, did you wanna explain anything on that? Sure. 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:15.229 - Is that where my first one starts? I believe so. Yeah. OK. Basically, very simple, we moved the time 00:44:15.229 --> 00:44:21.307 - of year. I don't want to make that consistent, but there were a couple other things where we'd have 00:44:21.307 --> 00:44:27.872 - a nominating committee that didn't feel necessary at all. I didn't really see as a thing that was happening 00:44:27.872 --> 00:44:33.950 - in other boards or commissions. So I just struck it all together. There was an item there in three. 00:44:34.370 --> 00:44:40.255 - that talked about what happens in a hybrid meeting versus what happens in an all-in-person meeting, 00:44:40.255 --> 00:44:46.434 - and it included secret ballot, which we've never done, but I know is opposed by every level of open-door 00:44:46.434 --> 00:44:52.496 - laws. So I thought I'd better, to be honest, I was surprised that that wasn't struck before me looking 00:44:52.496 --> 00:44:58.616 - at it. I would have thought that the word secret ballot would have jumped out to legal. Well, it's now, 00:44:58.616 --> 00:45:02.206 - so thank you. Just really kind of simplified it to say that, 00:45:02.562 --> 00:45:08.086 - I mean, I think in the years that I've been here, I don't think we've even had any position to be contested. 00:45:08.086 --> 00:45:13.205 - So there's been no need for any form of balloting whatsoever in the last nine years. But it's making 00:45:13.205 --> 00:45:18.374 - it very transparent and open, regardless of whether it's a hybrid or not. Well, yeah, I was there for 00:45:18.374 --> 00:45:23.290 - two minutes and already it was a fight over the secretary. It's going to be contentious in June, 00:45:23.290 --> 00:45:28.408 - just wait. No kidding. I think those were the only two simple ones in that part. And then I had some 00:45:28.408 --> 00:45:30.334 - in Quorum just a little farther down. 00:45:31.266 --> 00:45:45.175 - What was this? Or was it rather Buffett? I can't remember. So it was 5F. 5F. I know Legal had contradictory 00:45:45.175 --> 00:45:56.766 - language to you. Oh, there we go. I see. So Anna Holmes, one of our attorneys, she wanted 00:45:57.442 --> 00:46:04.703 - She suggested have replacing it with a majority of the numbers serving on the commission are in removing 00:46:04.703 --> 00:46:11.619 - the 50% removing the de minimis. And I think you added proposal was to remove the de minimis and if 00:46:11.619 --> 00:46:18.673 - she wants to change the language on the 50% plus one, that's fine. I'd only rolled with that language 00:46:18.673 --> 00:46:23.998 - because it was the existing language. Majority sounds absolutely fine to me. 00:46:24.098 --> 00:46:30.552 - And the majority of the total numbers would be a majority of the 12. And whenever we spoke with her 00:46:30.552 --> 00:46:37.136 - this morning, she was pretty firm on the anonymous, like really shouldn't have, we shouldn't be doing 00:46:37.136 --> 00:46:43.590 - that. This is the language we should be doing is the majority of the totals. I can get a little bit 00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:50.045 - of why, because if there are nine members and there's an anonymous of five, all of a sudden you are 00:46:50.045 --> 00:46:53.982 - now dealing with a, you have to meet, we had this issue with 00:46:54.370 --> 00:47:00.266 - one of our wards where they set a minimum of four people to conduct business and it's a six person form. 00:47:00.266 --> 00:47:06.105 - And so we only had three members of the commission, so we couldn't do anything and everything sat there 00:47:06.105 --> 00:47:12.225 - for a few months. So what we were trying to do is make sure that we were learning our lesson and eliminating 00:47:12.225 --> 00:47:17.896 - the requirements for a minimum number and just using the word majority in the event a few years down 00:47:17.896 --> 00:47:23.006 - the road and membership changes because she's getting bigger or smaller or whatever it is. 00:47:23.138 --> 00:47:30.476 - My contention then with legal change is we still, if at all possible, would very much prefer a majority 00:47:30.476 --> 00:47:37.955 - of the appointed members rather than of the possible 12 members. There are times we've gone years without 00:47:37.955 --> 00:47:45.011 - a seat being filled and there was a time we dipped as low as six members, I think. And if then Cora 00:47:45.011 --> 00:47:52.066 - met 100% attendance, it felt that's not just a majority of members, that's all the members required 00:47:52.066 --> 00:47:53.054 - to even talk. 00:47:53.666 --> 00:47:59.940 - Um, so I, I noticed from, is this happening across all the boards and commissions? Because I, I believe 00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:06.094 - some had it as a majority of the possible seats and some had it as a majority of the appointed seats. 00:48:06.094 --> 00:48:12.126 - And when I learned that the first thing I said to Rachel is we want to clarify that it's appointed. 00:48:12.126 --> 00:48:17.918 - We, we have- This is something we are trying to standardize. Okay. Unfortunately, it's, it's a, 00:48:19.426 --> 00:48:24.466 - Because so, for instance, if every seat is vacant, except for one, then that person becomes the call, 00:48:24.466 --> 00:48:29.407 - right? And if that person is doing everything that, I don't know, say it's a mayoral appointee, you 00:48:29.407 --> 00:48:34.545 - have some mayoral appointees, you have some council appointees, if it's a mayoral appointee, or if it's 00:48:34.545 --> 00:48:39.635 - a council appointee, then they can just kind of, like, for instance, if it's a council appointee, they 00:48:39.635 --> 00:48:44.921 - can just start doing things on behalf of the environmental commission. The mayor can't remove them because 00:48:44.921 --> 00:48:46.206 - it's a council appointee. 00:48:46.370 --> 00:48:56.903 - You see what I'm saying? And so there are ways to game the system if that were the lead. All the other 00:48:56.903 --> 00:49:06.413 - body would have to do is appoint a member. So there are always readily available volunteers, 00:49:06.413 --> 00:49:12.446 - I would say. Understood. So the legal rationale to make it 00:49:12.898 --> 00:49:20.818 - a majority of the possible seats rather than a majority of the appointed seats is essentially to keep 00:49:20.818 --> 00:49:29.203 - a de minimis type situation from happening anyway. I mean, because in that a majority would be one example. 00:49:29.203 --> 00:49:37.045 - Because I was already proposing we remove any de minimis thing. Yes. Okay. I guess I'm not a lawyer. 00:49:37.045 --> 00:49:42.558 - It just feels harsh to say that a majority of the appointed seats need 00:49:43.778 --> 00:49:50.553 - are not appointed as the possible seats need to be present when we have no control over the flow of 00:49:50.553 --> 00:49:57.667 - seats being appointed. I agree. And even if we know that there are applications in front of both bodies, 00:49:57.667 --> 00:50:04.849 - we can just be held hostage by either or both groups then if just, you know, to take a total hypothetical 00:50:04.849 --> 00:50:11.827 - one, the mayor or the council decides we're not gonna seat anybody. Now it's six and we'd have to all, 00:50:11.827 --> 00:50:13.182 - no one's allowed to 00:50:13.890 --> 00:50:23.898 - It'll work with something. I'm realizing as I speak that if the city decides this is the way it has 00:50:23.898 --> 00:50:34.105 - to be, that's the way it's going to be at some point. My proposal was for majority of appointed seats 00:50:34.105 --> 00:50:40.510 - to preserve as long as we're allowed to an ability to function. 00:50:42.402 --> 00:50:52.694 - I guess then now we are accidentally on this item. But regarding forum determination, what of mine or 00:50:52.694 --> 00:51:02.784 - legal suggestions do you think could stick? So I would go with some legal edits, basically, because 00:51:02.784 --> 00:51:09.342 - those are the ones that I was looking at. These were fine to me. 00:51:11.490 --> 00:51:19.163 - It's actually their wording. The majority of the members serving on the council are in. Serving on the 00:51:19.163 --> 00:51:26.613 - council to me wouldn't suggest that they're filled seats, that it wouldn't be the empty seats. So I 00:51:26.613 --> 00:51:34.659 - think the language change that legal put forward is totally okay with me because it preserves my intention. 00:51:34.659 --> 00:51:41.438 - It just uses better language. His vacant seats can't be members serving on the commission. 00:51:42.946 --> 00:51:49.684 - I actually feel fine with it at this time, and I'm just nervous about that train coming down the tracks. 00:51:49.684 --> 00:51:56.165 - Just to use an example, if these two had not gotten appointed, when they did, we would not have been 00:51:56.165 --> 00:52:02.775 - able to have four of today's, I guess, because we would only have five people today because two of you 00:52:02.775 --> 00:52:05.598 - are professionally out with them elsewhere. 00:52:06.946 --> 00:52:14.082 - We've talked about this a lot. Let me just make sure that I'm not leading you astray. Are there any, 00:52:14.082 --> 00:52:21.429 - is there anything else? Are there any other amendments that we're looking at? Those were mine regarding 00:52:21.429 --> 00:52:28.636 - elections and quorum. I mean, is there one in working groups? There was, but the kind of subcommittee 00:52:28.636 --> 00:52:36.478 - kind of is a quorum discussion. Oh yeah, so it was also quorum. It was just within working groups, right? Yes. 00:52:38.818 --> 00:52:45.275 - Yeah, I was getting rid of the deletion list of two. Right, which sounds like that's what legal wants 00:52:45.275 --> 00:52:51.669 - anyway, so I was... Do you have it, Matthew, or anybody, because do you have any questions about the 00:52:51.669 --> 00:52:57.999 - legal edit regarding some of these, this content here? Sorry, I know this is a lot for a new member 00:52:57.999 --> 00:53:02.494 - to take in right away. It's written into the legalese of the handbook. 00:53:11.266 --> 00:53:19.090 - So it's something different. So the subcommittee has to be defined, and we have to find the subcommittees, 00:53:19.090 --> 00:53:26.475 - right? This is going away, right? Eventually. We'll still have them. Yeah, we'll still have them for 00:53:26.475 --> 00:53:33.934 - the rest of the year, and then they could be approved by the mayor's office and by council next year. 00:53:33.934 --> 00:53:41.246 - They want to approve. So legal, let's say, out of the set subcommittees, Peyton, Taylor, Frederick, 00:53:41.442 --> 00:53:51.732 - other sets of committees, a quorum of a majority of its members. So, it has to be present at the minimum 00:53:51.732 --> 00:53:56.926 - of two. Yes, or that was there previously to an end. 00:53:58.946 --> 00:54:04.800 - Yeah, because I was actually looking to get rid of the de minimis again, and to treat working groups 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:10.885 - exactly the same as the commission. So instead of a majority of the appointed members of the commission, 00:54:10.885 --> 00:54:16.739 - it's the majority of the members of the subcommittee. I would say that or for two minimum members is 00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:22.303 - due to the electronic reading rules. Okay. So if it's, for instance, like a board of directors, 00:54:22.303 --> 00:54:24.158 - three people, you can form two. 00:54:24.706 --> 00:54:31.734 - They can't just have one online and get in person. They both have to be in person. Does that make sense? 00:54:31.734 --> 00:54:38.560 - Yes. So minimum of two of its members. But if that's, you know, statutorily a three-person body, that 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:45.253 - makes more sense than it would make for us in this instance. So, well, for subcommittees, right? If 00:54:45.253 --> 00:54:50.942 - you have a subcommittee of three. So if you're having a committee of two, that's us. 00:54:51.138 --> 00:54:59.632 - Basically what the large quality work is down to the majority would be perfect attendance, but that's 00:54:59.632 --> 00:55:07.959 - reasonable. Yeah. One person can meet on their own. Yeah. Making sure that one person subcommittees 00:55:07.959 --> 00:55:15.870 - can't exist. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it taking information in your brain? Still have to be approved. 00:55:16.066 --> 00:55:23.400 - I mean, no commission. If the ODL could include a mysterious wasp that goes into your brain, I'm sure 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:30.733 - they would, but I mean, unfortunately we're limited by the technology of our time. Okay, yeah, I have 00:55:30.733 --> 00:55:38.139 - struck the minimus there because I thought it was restrictive, but it sounds like the goal. I will say 00:55:38.139 --> 00:55:41.374 - that present is the key word there, I think. 00:55:41.922 --> 00:55:50.853 - So this just has to do with like electronic readings, if you have the in-person requirements. It's just 00:55:50.853 --> 00:55:59.699 - everywhere that's kind of. Okay. I also did check quorum. It is based on the full number of seats, not 00:55:59.699 --> 00:56:08.974 - just the abundance. So if you want to go back, if you would mind. I'm so sorry. Oh, that was our commission 00:56:08.974 --> 00:56:11.550 - size determined stash for it. 00:56:11.810 --> 00:56:19.908 - So the council sets the number of seats by legislation. So if you wanted to, if the EC wanted to like 00:56:19.908 --> 00:56:28.086 - lower or raise their total seats appointment, you could contact council member and see if they believe 00:56:28.086 --> 00:56:36.105 - about it. Is that kind of the right method to go about it? That's a survey on the commission is what 00:56:36.105 --> 00:56:39.678 - she was trying. So number of members able to 00:56:40.194 --> 00:56:49.867 - The importance of serving on the commission. So there are 12 members serving on the commission. Okay. 00:56:49.867 --> 00:56:59.446 - They can see it's countless members. Yes. There's something today. Okay. That would be online. Okay. 00:56:59.446 --> 00:57:09.214 - Um, I wanted to make sure there was one thing that I thought there might be a session on later. And so 00:57:09.378 --> 00:57:16.903 - I'm going to put you on the spot for this one. Okay, it was something about if the working group wanted 00:57:16.903 --> 00:57:24.210 - to make a yes, commission positions may be recommended. Any position from the commission as a whole, 00:57:24.210 --> 00:57:31.735 - regardless of the audience must be voted on and approved by majority commission and opposite the mayor. 00:57:31.735 --> 00:57:34.846 - Am I reading that if they wanted to make a 00:57:35.106 --> 00:57:42.751 - letter to write to BZA or Planning Commission about development and make a statement about that. A position 00:57:42.751 --> 00:57:50.042 - as in a policy position, not actual position? Yes, a policy position. Okay. Would they need to receive 00:57:50.042 --> 00:57:57.404 - approval from office of the mayor to submit that letter? Yes. Okay. Questions on that? I felt like that 00:57:57.404 --> 00:58:04.766 - one might get reactions. I wanted to bring it up now. Is that a number? Have you done that in the past? 00:58:05.346 --> 00:58:13.281 - Nope, that's new. Would you mind scrolling up just one, but I just want to see the context so that one 00:58:13.281 --> 00:58:16.670 - I can't remember what it falls under. Okay. 00:58:22.562 --> 00:58:29.639 - So that we help, we'll find data like 75% so you can see it all. So when that, this is new, this is 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:36.929 - a new thing from the city? Just the green, yeah. So where did that come from? The office of the mayor. 00:58:36.929 --> 00:58:44.219 - So this just became the thing, that now the office of the mayor has to approve our positions? Correct. 00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:50.942 - And where did that come from? From the mayor? That came from, technically the commissions are, 00:58:51.362 --> 00:58:59.752 - under the executive branch. And we want to make sure that there's harmony within the executive branch, 00:58:59.752 --> 00:59:08.224 - recommending policies, procedures, that sort of thing, speaking with one voice. So before a commission, 00:59:08.224 --> 00:59:16.533 - a position can be recommended, it has to be approved through manpower. Gotcha. So we're restricted by 00:59:16.533 --> 00:59:20.606 - the mayor? Essentially. I will say, unless other, 00:59:23.170 --> 00:59:31.201 - I'm going to hold my tongue here. Because I know this commission creates reports at council direction. 00:59:31.201 --> 00:59:39.232 - Sometimes, in the past, not nearly report, but you have made the air quality report, which I think has 00:59:39.232 --> 00:59:47.185 - been sent to council. What was that process? I presented it to council. There was no ask. It was just 00:59:47.185 --> 00:59:51.006 - a report. I think that's what you're getting at. 00:59:51.138 --> 00:59:57.367 - I feel like for instance, if council gives a resolution that says, hey, environmental commission, I 00:59:57.367 --> 01:00:03.658 - want you to tell me these three things, tell them the three things. It sounds like they don't really 01:00:03.658 --> 01:00:09.887 - want the environmental commission's opinions anymore, and I too. My impression is this is something 01:00:09.887 --> 01:00:16.614 - we don't necessarily have a say on, and my biggest immediate concern though goes back to the time sensitive 01:00:16.614 --> 01:00:19.230 - nature of say ECPC members to planning or 01:00:19.394 --> 01:00:27.324 - BCA or whoever. I mean, it's already hard to meet and write a memo, even though now we do know and very 01:00:27.324 --> 01:00:35.101 - grateful for our ability to kind of preemptively approve it and to trust our working group there. But 01:00:35.101 --> 01:00:43.870 - if we then theoretically, if the office of the mayor was not expedient in their reply, we could be weighted out of 01:00:43.970 --> 01:00:51.039 - presenting a memo to someone at the time that we have been told that it would be ideal to present the 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:58.386 - memo. It's best to not wait until it's before council. It's best to get it in this setting. So my biggest 01:00:58.386 --> 01:01:05.663 - concern right off the bat is that the thing we do outside of outreach that has the most potential impact 01:01:05.663 --> 01:01:09.406 - could just be outright thwarted with those few words. 01:01:09.762 --> 01:01:15.220 - smell a potential conflict of like we are recommending things to a different executive branch with the 01:01:15.220 --> 01:01:20.625 - planning department through the ECPC especially. I'm sorry, different executive branch? Not different 01:01:20.625 --> 01:01:26.030 - executive, like the planning department basically, because that's still under these. Which I will say 01:01:26.030 --> 01:01:31.699 - that yes, the planning department reports to the mayor. Yes. We are making recommendations to the planning 01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:37.157 - department, but then that has to get approved through the mayor to then become a recommendation to the 01:01:37.157 --> 01:01:38.270 - planning department. 01:01:39.842 --> 01:01:45.218 - Yeah, that's, that's essentially part of my concern. Well, cause again, they can, they can take it into 01:01:45.218 --> 01:01:50.542 - consideration or not. I just want to make sure there are memos get into the packet. Yes. So it's like, 01:01:50.542 --> 01:01:55.659 - again, they don't have to listen to a word that we say, but my, my fear is that this will hold up. 01:01:55.659 --> 01:02:01.138 - So if, if we go here, the commission may also be recommended to other legislative bodies or organizations 01:02:01.138 --> 01:02:03.102 - of interest, such as the legislature. 01:02:03.298 --> 01:02:09.030 - Must be voted on and approved by the majority of the profession and the office of the mayor. So this 01:02:09.030 --> 01:02:14.706 - is basically if the Christian wants to write a letter to the legislature. If there's something that 01:02:14.706 --> 01:02:20.382 - I would say external to the city. Okay, it's gotta get So if we had a position related to a council 01:02:20.382 --> 01:02:23.390 - by the city council. Yeah, that's my follow up. Yes. 01:02:24.002 --> 01:02:34.065 - Apply to that. Yeah, because actually, in the context of recommending it to planning, it's fine. Technically, 01:02:34.065 --> 01:02:43.304 - the city council, that's what I just said, it's so like, so it's not fair. There's legislation, just 01:02:43.304 --> 01:02:49.342 - commission, but in the first place, the opinion that's listed for 01:02:49.506 --> 01:03:04.904 - the personal position of the period. That's what he says. So long as it's internal, the approval process 01:03:04.904 --> 01:03:15.902 - will be nice to you. Well done. It's good promise rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 01:03:16.450 --> 01:03:21.680 - My little minor part was happy. I didn't even get scared. So I was like, hey, nice. But yeah, if it's 01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:27.167 - internal, we don't need approval. But if it's external, so I will confirm this. So it'll be good. However, 01:03:27.167 --> 01:03:32.397 - I believe this, because I know where this came from, because that was part of those discussions. This 01:03:32.397 --> 01:03:37.678 - is basically making sure that we're not surprised by something. And it's like, hey, there's this thing 01:03:37.678 --> 01:03:42.960 - going down the pipeline. All of a sudden letters are going to the governor's office. We're negotiating 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:43.934 - with other things. 01:03:44.098 --> 01:03:49.761 - And so they're like, Hey, what the hell is your commission doing? And they go, what are you talking 01:03:49.761 --> 01:03:55.537 - about? Right. That's basically all that they just want to avoid surprises here. Um, so they know kind 01:03:55.537 --> 01:04:01.370 - of what the temperature is. I don't think it's a matter of preventing things. I think it's just making 01:04:01.370 --> 01:04:06.750 - sure that they know what's going on in the city. I think this just for external. I, again, if. 01:04:07.938 --> 01:04:24.870 - I think it's just, again, I think it would just be a matter of, I don't see him. But the first one is 01:04:24.870 --> 01:04:36.158 - to say that the mayor doesn't say provide it to the mayor's office. 01:04:36.386 --> 01:04:42.128 - Right. Right. Cool. So I'm making sure that that, as written? Yes. I want to make sure that that wasn't 01:04:42.128 --> 01:04:47.925 - a typo or oversight. Because also down here it says, any position on the equation as a whole, regardless 01:04:47.925 --> 01:04:53.557 - of the audience, must be voted on. Right. And they're separate sentences. They're separate sentences. 01:04:53.557 --> 01:04:59.133 - However, it says any position, regardless of the point. So I want to make sure that I'm reading this 01:04:59.133 --> 01:05:04.654 - correctly. I appreciate you looking into it. I mean, we look forward to it. I'm sorry I didn't have 01:05:04.654 --> 01:05:06.366 - that immediate answer for you. 01:05:06.498 --> 01:05:12.968 - But let me confirm. As written, it could be interpreted either way, you know, and I can nerd out on 01:05:12.968 --> 01:05:19.632 - it. As you explained it, I'm much more comfortable with it than I was before. Yes. We had other boards 01:05:19.632 --> 01:05:26.814 - of commission tonight. Again, there are other boards of commission of the city that are very much at the base. 01:05:26.914 --> 01:05:32.794 - And are very aware of what the current state of legislation is going on or being impacted. They wanted 01:05:32.794 --> 01:05:38.560 - to write letters and started just sending them because they're like, which Senator do I get this to, 01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:44.269 - and we have lobbyists and things and they were like, Hey, your commissions are I'm screwing with me 01:05:44.269 --> 01:05:50.207 - and my efforts to go talk to people. Right. And so we want to make sure that we're all just seeing from 01:05:50.207 --> 01:05:51.006 - the same end. 01:05:51.138 --> 01:05:58.334 - I also want to say thank you, Rachel, for pointing that one out while we still had legal in the room. 01:05:58.334 --> 01:06:05.389 - Are there any others that you? Not off the top of my head. That was really the one I thought the EC 01:06:05.389 --> 01:06:12.726 - might want to have a legal bottom of this. With that being the last one, that was real exciting, unless 01:06:12.726 --> 01:06:13.502 - opposed by 01:06:13.698 --> 01:06:20.751 - commissioners here, I think we should let Taylor off the hook and move into our next order of new business, 01:06:20.751 --> 01:06:27.542 - Adam's presentation. I have one more quick question. Go ahead. We were discussing in the life pollution 01:06:27.542 --> 01:06:34.268 - meeting earlier, if the subcommittee or working group, whatever the term is, if we wanted to talk with 01:06:34.268 --> 01:06:40.995 - someone in the city, the member city staff, could more than one of us talk with someone from planning, 01:06:40.995 --> 01:06:42.366 - say, about, I guess, 01:06:42.498 --> 01:06:48.851 - what we're doing in the working group. So outside of public meeting, or would that have to be like a 01:06:48.851 --> 01:06:55.456 - public meeting or eight hours notice and everything? Technically, no, it would not have to be a meeting. 01:06:55.456 --> 01:07:01.872 - If no, the form requirements are being met. I start getting nervous though, because if you're meeting 01:07:01.872 --> 01:07:06.590 - with them, it's because you're trying to seek information about something. 01:07:07.202 --> 01:07:12.562 - Right. One person, no problem. You're getting your questions answered. Two people, sure. You have the 01:07:12.562 --> 01:07:17.974 - same questions. Three, I start getting worried. Right. It's kind of like how this looks, if that makes 01:07:17.974 --> 01:07:23.439 - sense. If three of you want to go meet and talk to somebody about something, I would recommend ask that 01:07:23.439 --> 01:07:28.693 - person to come to the next commission meeting. Or ask the commission, Hey, I would like to ask this 01:07:28.693 --> 01:07:33.790 - person these questions. Could I, could this commission ask for a report on something? Does that. 01:07:34.306 --> 01:07:39.635 - It makes sense. You know, these commission meetings, like if you're having a meeting with a city staff 01:07:39.635 --> 01:07:44.965 - member, say it's two o'clock in the afternoon, we can set up a room and, you know, publicly notice it. 01:07:44.965 --> 01:07:50.294 - And it's, you know, technically a publicly noticed meeting. It's meeting those requirements that would 01:07:50.294 --> 01:07:55.623 - be the same difference as if you set up a meeting otherwise. Is that fair? I just know that, you know, 01:07:55.623 --> 01:08:00.849 - jobs and things, it's, you're like, oh yeah, let me just take off at two in the afternoon. I'm here, 01:08:00.849 --> 01:08:01.470 - it's great. 01:08:03.970 --> 01:08:10.204 - Yeah, okay. And if there are any other questions, please feel free to send them to Rachel and then I 01:08:10.204 --> 01:08:16.501 - will, I was slow this last time, but I won't be anymore. I was out of, I was out of, yeah, I'm sorry. 01:08:16.501 --> 01:08:23.105 - Um, but I will readily answer them as we go. So feel free to just keep questions. And I was being flippant 01:08:23.105 --> 01:08:28.414 - earlier, but I will come back as often as you need. I feel totally satisfied pending. 01:08:29.058 --> 01:08:38.103 - clarification on the- I've already added it to my to-do list on the top. Thank you, sir. Awesome. 01:08:38.103 --> 01:08:46.871 - Thanks guys. Thank you for joining us and we will move on to our invasive animals implications 01:08:46.871 --> 01:08:53.886 - for biodiversity presentation. Last fall, Kerry asked her people to present 01:08:54.754 --> 01:09:05.062 - short presentations that might be of interest to the meeting or to the group. So I'm going to make this 01:09:05.062 --> 01:09:15.371 - really, I won't be long here because we don't have a long time. So this is going to be over here. Yeah. 01:09:15.371 --> 01:09:19.038 - About me, so I'm going to talk about 01:09:19.170 --> 01:09:27.184 - biology, so I'll pitch about my background, my research background is really in what eco-physiology, 01:09:27.184 --> 01:09:35.119 - understanding how organisms, how their bodies respond to their environment and like flexibility and 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:42.974 - how we can respond to changes in the environment. I've been at IU since 2013 and currently I teach 01:09:43.138 --> 01:09:50.039 - I teach conservation, animal conservation and animal physiology. So those are my credentials to talk 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:57.282 - about what I'm going to talk about. Again, my background is mainly in understanding how organisms respond 01:09:57.282 --> 01:10:04.525 - to changes in their environment physiology. So we can apply that to climate change and a lot of different 01:10:04.525 --> 01:10:08.830 - things. But I'm talking about invasive animals. That's because 01:10:09.090 --> 01:10:17.968 - I thought it would be a good topic to bring up to this group because we think a lot about invasive plants. 01:10:17.968 --> 01:10:26.846 - We don't think a lot about invasive animals. In fact, so I'm on the Parks Council, Environmental Resources 01:10:26.846 --> 01:10:35.475 - Advisory Council, and my first meeting, there was a member of the DNR at our meeting proposing to stock 01:10:35.475 --> 01:10:38.462 - Griffey Lake with an invasive fish. 01:10:38.754 --> 01:10:48.984 - for fishing. So that was my introduction to brown trout. They're native to Europe, Asia, and Africa. 01:10:48.984 --> 01:10:59.112 - They're not native to North America. And an argument that they make is that, well, they're going to 01:10:59.112 --> 01:11:08.126 - die in the summer. They won't survive the entire annual cycle. But is that a good thing? 01:11:08.450 --> 01:11:15.949 - So invasive, we're going to make some, I'll have some definitions here first. So native, well know what 01:11:15.949 --> 01:11:23.449 - a native is, is a species found in its native range that are introduced species that, like we have lots 01:11:23.449 --> 01:11:30.948 - of introduced ornamental plants that have been moved to an area outside of their native range, but they 01:11:30.948 --> 01:11:37.150 - have to, they're maintained by humans. They're not, they don't, they're not invasive. 01:11:37.282 --> 01:11:45.251 - invasive organisms are introduced, but then they are a species that can establish populations and grow 01:11:45.251 --> 01:11:53.606 - rapidly. Often when the most concerning invasive undergo explosive population growth, and they can dominate 01:11:53.606 --> 01:12:01.420 - a community. Ultimately, that when you have an invasive organisms, they compromise the ecosystem and 01:12:01.420 --> 01:12:05.598 - all the animals with plants and animals in it because 01:12:06.530 --> 01:12:16.528 - Let's see. They can cause different harms. So invasive plants, the elder peat gator plants, they reduce 01:12:16.528 --> 01:12:26.814 - plant biodiversity. That's a major concern of conservation, it's biodiversity. And they also reduce animal 01:12:27.202 --> 01:12:35.807 - biodiversity. The primary objective of conservation is to maintain biodiversity. We try to remove invasive 01:12:35.807 --> 01:12:44.091 - plants because often they out-compete native plants and then that reduces overall biodiversity and the 01:12:44.091 --> 01:12:50.846 - ecosystem resiliency. Invasive animals also, they out-compete native animals, which 01:12:51.394 --> 01:12:58.642 - results in a reduction in animal biodiversity, results in a reduction in plant biodiversity, and our 01:12:58.642 --> 01:13:05.889 - primary objective in conservation is to maintain biodiversity. We're concerned about invasive plants 01:13:05.889 --> 01:13:13.496 - and invasive animals, and we all know about invasive animal plants. I think we talked less about invasive 01:13:13.496 --> 01:13:18.878 - animals, which I think is important. What are they introduced by accident? 01:13:20.290 --> 01:13:29.959 - for controlled pests, live bait release, for game, like the DNR. We'll introduce invasive fish for aesthetic 01:13:29.959 --> 01:13:38.918 - reasons. Many colonizers introduced non-native animals to North America because they were interested 01:13:38.918 --> 01:13:47.966 - in seeing house sparrows in Central Park, and suddenly they're the most common bird in North America. 01:13:48.354 --> 01:13:55.675 - So why are they a problem? Why aren't they a problem? They modify ecosystems. They out-compete native 01:13:55.675 --> 01:14:03.212 - species for limited resources. So usually, bases are really resilient. And there's something in animals. 01:14:03.212 --> 01:14:10.390 - Often, they're more aggressive, or they're a generalist, and they're able to make use of resources. 01:14:10.390 --> 01:14:18.142 - The natives aren't able to, aggressive. They can be a novel predator. They can be herbivorous and wipe out. 01:14:18.242 --> 01:14:25.734 - plant populations, and they also often introduce new pathogens and parasites. I've got two case studies. 01:14:25.734 --> 01:14:33.083 - I'm using animals that don't occur in Indiana because we have some, there's some really good data here 01:14:33.083 --> 01:14:40.503 - so we can understand actually what's happening. So you all have probably heard of cane toads. They were 01:14:40.503 --> 01:14:45.854 - introduced to Australia. They're also introduced to Fiji and seven filler. 01:14:46.050 --> 01:14:56.526 - locations where they're not native to for pest control. King toads, where they occur in Fiji, they co-occur 01:14:56.526 --> 01:15:06.710 - with Fijian frogs, a native frog. When King toads, after King toads were established in Fiji, the Fijian 01:15:06.710 --> 01:15:10.590 - frog populations declined very rapidly. 01:15:10.722 --> 01:15:18.947 - So we can count animals and we can see a reduction in biodiversity. That's important, but also understanding, 01:15:18.947 --> 01:15:26.424 - I think it's important to understand why that happens. There's a nice study, and we can think about 01:15:26.424 --> 01:15:34.051 - native or invasive animals in this as well. They have nice data showing what happens. Basically, what 01:15:34.051 --> 01:15:38.238 - we have here is body condition, that's like the health, 01:15:38.402 --> 01:15:46.136 - essentially of the feeding frogs, corticosteroids, which is a stressful hormone, testosterone, which 01:15:46.136 --> 01:15:53.794 - should increase in males during reproduction. These are males up here, these are females down here. 01:15:53.794 --> 01:15:57.470 - The data that we're looking at on the x-axis is 01:15:57.666 --> 01:16:06.166 - So he's had an entire annual cycle looking at these three measures of the physiological condition of 01:16:06.166 --> 01:16:14.918 - the native animals when they're co-occurring with the invasive toad. So red, those are the experimental 01:16:14.918 --> 01:16:23.671 - frog measures. So these are the frogs that are flirting with the toads. And body condition of, compared 01:16:23.671 --> 01:16:25.438 - to the, what's here? 01:16:26.402 --> 01:16:34.788 - that males, sorry, I'm trying to go too fast here. This is the body condition. So it males and females 01:16:34.788 --> 01:16:43.093 - on this. In white, the white circles are male Fijian frogs with toes. You can see without toes, their 01:16:43.093 --> 01:16:51.723 - body conditions higher and most of the year than the males occurring with toes, with the invasive animal. 01:16:51.723 --> 01:16:55.550 - The same for females, which are the triangles. 01:16:55.970 --> 01:17:03.744 - Um, the corticosterone, which is a measure of stress in animals, it does some multiple things, but it 01:17:03.744 --> 01:17:11.366 - increases during stress. I can see that the, the frogs occurring with the invasive toads, they have 01:17:11.366 --> 01:17:18.988 - elevated, uh, stress. And then over, this is a urinary testosterone. This is, these are just nails. 01:17:18.988 --> 01:17:25.086 - And if this wasn't there, can we move that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can see that. 01:17:25.410 --> 01:17:31.956 - The male frogs that are occurring with the invasives, they barely have a signal that they're really 01:17:31.956 --> 01:17:38.697 - reproductive within the anicycle. So most of these male frogs are probably not. So these are the frogs 01:17:38.697 --> 01:17:45.898 - controlled without toes. These are the frogs with toes. The gonads are not growing. They're not reproductive. 01:17:45.898 --> 01:17:52.705 - We've got similar reproductive measures for females. You can see the control females, they have a clear 01:17:52.705 --> 01:17:54.014 - reproductive cycle. 01:17:54.146 --> 01:18:01.613 - progesterone, another signal in females, and then proportion of females laying eggs or laying clutch 01:18:01.613 --> 01:18:09.228 - insects and see it. So we can see what's happening with this aggressive non-native animal is stressing 01:18:09.228 --> 01:18:16.621 - the heck out of these frogs. It's native animal, which is resulting in them not being reproductive. 01:18:16.621 --> 01:18:18.174 - The reproductive and 01:18:18.466 --> 01:18:27.242 - stress axes, the physiological mechanisms interact, and if an animal's stressed, their whole reproductive 01:18:27.242 --> 01:18:35.771 - system shuts down. What's happening is primarily competition for food and aggressive interactions with 01:18:35.771 --> 01:18:44.133 - the toes. Another example, this one's pretty amazing. American beavers don't occur in South America. 01:18:44.133 --> 01:18:48.190 - Oh, sorry, I have a quarter down here. Oh, okay. 01:18:48.354 --> 01:18:56.926 - In 1946, though, the Argentinian government introduced 50 North American beavers to Tierra del Fuego. 01:18:58.018 --> 01:19:04.475 - for fur trade to encourage a fur trade. So they introduced 50 American bee-whipped beavers. Now the 01:19:04.475 --> 01:19:10.996 - estimate is the population is 100 to 200,000. And you know the disruption American beavers can, they 01:19:10.996 --> 01:19:17.646 - fit within ecosystems here, they don't fit within ecosystems there. So they've spread into continental 01:19:17.646 --> 01:19:24.231 - South America, there's a huge problem. And they're threatening over 16 million hectares of indigenous 01:19:24.231 --> 01:19:26.814 - forest. So they're just destroying the, 01:19:27.234 --> 01:19:34.550 - where they've been introduced and that the populations have exploded. So those are a few, 01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:42.680 - I think, well-documented examples. This is a list of the DNR's website of what they recognize as an 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:51.134 - invasive species. There are many more invasive species in the state that they don't recognize. In fact, 01:19:51.134 --> 01:19:57.150 - I'm a fan of the DNR, but the fact that they want to introduce non-native 01:19:58.146 --> 01:20:06.536 - fish to our lakes is concerning to me. And they are. Cats. Cats are actually, we think of them, 01:20:06.536 --> 01:20:15.276 - conservationologists think of them as free ranging cats, as invasive animals because they establish 01:20:15.276 --> 01:20:24.190 - colonies. And this study came out of Nature 15 years ago, and it's been followed up on several times. 01:20:24.450 --> 01:20:34.798 - cats are the greatest cause of mammal and bird mortality in the United States. Free-ranging cats kill 01:20:34.798 --> 01:20:45.044 - more birds and small mammals than any other species. A non-native predator that our species have not 01:20:45.044 --> 01:20:54.174 - evolved to respond to. Other common invasive animals in Indiana not recognized by the DNR 01:20:54.274 --> 01:21:00.650 - European house sparrows, European starlings. I've done bird estimates across Indianapolis. So about 01:21:00.650 --> 01:21:07.344 - four years, I had 16 sites across Indianapolis. The two most common birds in Indianapolis are starlings. 01:21:07.344 --> 01:21:13.848 - So European starlings, European house sparrows, you see them all over the place. These are not native 01:21:13.848 --> 01:21:20.670 - to North America. They were introduced, eight pairs of house sparrows were introduced in Brooklyn in 1851. 01:21:21.122 --> 01:21:27.966 - and there were several small decade, several smaller duchies after that, and now they're the most common 01:21:27.966 --> 01:21:34.483 - bird in North America. The problem is that both of these birds compete very heavily with our native 01:21:34.483 --> 01:21:41.262 - birds, so they decrease. Can you know where our sparrows are heavy? They have low bowel accuracy. Where 01:21:41.262 --> 01:21:48.105 - do you know? Starlings are cavity nesters, and they're very aggressive and they'll outcompete our native 01:21:48.105 --> 01:21:51.038 - birds for cavities, a very limited resource. 01:21:53.410 --> 01:22:01.609 - to them. That's all I have. That's my presentation on invasive species. Yes. I have one small point 01:22:01.609 --> 01:22:09.973 - on your invasive species listed. Have rusty grayfish listed there? Yeah. I want to clarify. Yes. They 01:22:09.973 --> 01:22:18.254 - are native to Indiana is their own. The whole, like pretty much the entire state except for the Lake 01:22:18.254 --> 01:22:21.534 - Michigan Mason. It was on the DNR list. 01:22:21.858 --> 01:22:29.212 - So that is a yes that's a yeah I agree that's a very strange range map some places you will see where 01:22:29.212 --> 01:22:36.638 - they will say that they are well they're not native here. I think they're there is that maybe it's the 01:22:36.834 --> 01:22:42.546 - Basically the whole Wabash Basin and the Lake Mary Basin in Indiana is their native range. Like most 01:22:42.546 --> 01:22:48.258 - of Indiana and Ohio, but like the far north west, like you get into the region, if you find a rusty, 01:22:48.258 --> 01:22:53.913 - that's invasive. And everything like further north is where they're actually kind of being invasive 01:22:53.913 --> 01:22:59.739 - species. So like Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, that's where they are. They're pretty aggressive. And 01:22:59.739 --> 01:23:03.358 - I think where they occur like with Clearwater crayfish, Nailed. 01:23:03.746 --> 01:23:09.935 - hybridized with them and they'll outcompete them. They do. It makes them very annoying to identify. 01:23:09.935 --> 01:23:16.309 - Yeah. Right. Yeah. You look for the red and the... Yeah, the red helps, but yeah, most of the time you 01:23:16.309 --> 01:23:22.498 - have to have like very mature males to identify those. Well, if there's ranges to be taken away, is 01:23:22.498 --> 01:23:29.182 - the cloud just going to show the ranges are expanding? Yes. Yes. And, you know, there's a question of like, 01:23:29.410 --> 01:23:37.154 - When is an animal invasive and not? I typically think of animals that were brought to a new location. 01:23:37.154 --> 01:23:44.746 - Most birds, their ranges are expanding north. Every year we're seeing populations occurring farther 01:23:44.746 --> 01:23:52.869 - and farther north. I would not consider that as an invasive species. They're expanding their range because 01:23:52.869 --> 01:23:55.678 - new habitats open that they can use. 01:23:57.922 --> 01:24:07.559 - Okay. Thank you so much for your presentation. Well, now we've kind of got to race through an agenda 01:24:07.559 --> 01:24:17.387 - here. I'm going to move on to new business E tree commission. I understand that our recent appointment 01:24:17.387 --> 01:24:24.734 - must have resigned. Yes, Davis board resigns the day after he was appointed. 01:24:25.026 --> 01:24:34.536 - Not really. We do have it in the whole office on zoom. The full I have to give you commissions. I'll 01:24:34.536 --> 01:24:44.139 - work on that task while I talk. So I think Carl Fizer has also applied. So I don't have to explain my 01:24:44.139 --> 01:24:48.094 - application if I can do that. Yeah, sure. 01:24:48.610 --> 01:24:56.070 - So there was a lot of consternation and discussion and concern last month about the EC appointments, 01:24:56.070 --> 01:25:03.383 - the tree commission, not being EC, from the EC essentially. Logistically, I was talking to Rachel, 01:25:03.383 --> 01:25:10.548 - you know, the tree commission appointment, TE will have to still attend two meetings, much like, 01:25:10.548 --> 01:25:12.542 - you know, EC appointments. 01:25:12.930 --> 01:25:19.261 - In that interest, I put my name on the hat. I'm happy to go into detail about my qualifications and 01:25:19.261 --> 01:25:25.782 - so forth. But I'm also actually curious to hear what Nicole has to say. And one thing that I, if I can 01:25:25.782 --> 01:25:32.303 - critique the Environmental Commission boldly as a new member, I really wish that we interviewed James, 01:25:32.303 --> 01:25:38.760 - our previous applicant. And I would like to interview Nicole on this. And I'm glad that she showed up 01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:42.622 - today. Because reviewing her application, I see that she has 01:25:43.266 --> 01:25:50.260 - the wealth of educational experience, forestry, horticulture, and us. And that would be somebody that 01:25:50.260 --> 01:25:57.255 - would be, I think, very prime for that position and in her position. But I would also like to see the 01:25:57.255 --> 01:26:04.386 - tree commission appointment come from the Environmental Commission. And seeing how we have three vacant 01:26:04.386 --> 01:26:10.695 - slots, I would be interested to hear from Nicole if she would be interested in also serving 01:26:10.695 --> 01:26:12.958 - on the Environmental Commission. 01:26:15.074 --> 01:26:23.158 - Does she have the permissions to unmute at this time? I believe so, Nicole. You should be able to unmute 01:26:23.158 --> 01:26:30.856 - and meet your co-host. There you go. We have read the information where you explained your interest 01:26:30.856 --> 01:26:37.246 - in your qualifications, but still feel free to say a few words. Hi, I'm Nikki. So, 01:26:37.826 --> 01:26:45.277 - When I filled out the form, I was like, oh, this is like a silly little form. I didn't realize everyone 01:26:45.277 --> 01:26:52.441 - was going to see it. So I'm mildly embarrassed by how sparse it is. But yeah, I'm Nikki. And as you 01:26:52.441 --> 01:26:59.964 - can see, I did do my undergrad in forestry at Texas A&M. And then I eventually got an MS in horticulture 01:26:59.964 --> 01:27:05.982 - from UGA. Right now, I'm fairly new to Bloomington. I moved here in August of 2024. 01:27:06.178 --> 01:27:14.141 - Currently, I am an academic advisor for the Psychological and Brain Sciences Department at the university. 01:27:14.141 --> 01:27:21.880 - And I think I may have actually met Adam at the last college preview, and I think you gave me a cookie. 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:29.322 - OK, I'll see you then. I was thinking, I was like, huh. But yeah, my interest is that right now I'm 01:27:29.322 --> 01:27:36.094 - not working in the field that my education's in for a lot of reasons. But I do love trees. 01:27:36.194 --> 01:27:44.274 - That's what I studied. Actually, in my grad work, I studied rare and threatened trees of the southeast. 01:27:44.274 --> 01:27:52.043 - So I spent a lot of time working with trees, oak trees, specifically. And when I'm up here, I spent 01:27:52.043 --> 01:27:59.812 - a lot of time thinking about the quality of our street trees, especially. And like, I have a lot of 01:27:59.812 --> 01:28:02.686 - thoughts on them. And when I saw the 01:28:03.266 --> 01:28:12.490 - opportunity to apply the encouragement to do it. I was like, you know, this would be something lovely 01:28:12.490 --> 01:28:21.624 - to get kind of more involved in my fields that I had my education in and, you know, contribute to my 01:28:21.624 --> 01:28:29.854 - community. So that's kind of a lot of what I am and what I'm doing and who I am. Questions 01:28:32.034 --> 01:28:38.551 - Thank you so much for applying and don't worry about it looking sparse on the application. It's not 01:28:38.551 --> 01:28:45.069 - like we needed a resume and cover letter or anything like that. We appreciate your interest. I have 01:28:45.069 --> 01:28:51.912 - a question that is basically directly inspired by some of Carl's previous words. Would you be interested 01:28:51.912 --> 01:28:54.910 - in applying for the Environmental Commission? 01:28:57.026 --> 01:29:05.352 - I wouldn't be opposed to it. Um, I just, I hadn't thought about it I was like trees trees are good trees 01:29:05.352 --> 01:29:13.282 - are where I kind of fit, but also forestry, while tree. Also, the way it's taught it and it is more 01:29:13.282 --> 01:29:15.582 - of an ecology kind of realm. 01:29:15.938 --> 01:29:22.944 - like natural resources. Um, so I do have an interest in that and I care about those aspects of everything. 01:29:22.944 --> 01:29:29.885 - So I wouldn't be opposed to it. I just kind of want to know a little bit more about kind of it. I haven't 01:29:29.885 --> 01:29:37.022 - looked into it like intensely. Um, can I jump into a question? Uh, Nicole, just for like, um, clarification, 01:29:37.022 --> 01:29:44.094 - like the tree commission is going to build this probably only on publicly owned trees for the environmental 01:29:44.194 --> 01:29:50.700 - commission talks, or kind of focuses on the entire environment of Wilmington. So I don't know if that 01:29:50.700 --> 01:29:57.333 - kind of helps to learn what the focuses are on each commission, but I did want to point that out. Yeah, 01:29:57.333 --> 01:30:03.584 - trees are definitely in the umbrella of things that we talk about. We've got, you know, a habitat 01:30:03.584 --> 01:30:10.154 - connectivity plan and interactive map basically that we're trying to promote at some point here. We've 01:30:10.154 --> 01:30:13.662 - had an active biodiversity working group at times that 01:30:13.986 --> 01:30:22.497 - trees and canopy would definitely be a part of that. But I do understand that it would be, at the end 01:30:22.497 --> 01:30:31.509 - of the day, it is preferable to have someone who is on the EC be our representative on the Tree Commission, 01:30:31.509 --> 01:30:39.853 - but it isn't required. I appreciate you stepping up to serve. Depending on how seriously Carl feels 01:30:39.853 --> 01:30:43.358 - about also potentially filling that seat, 01:30:44.610 --> 01:30:52.214 - I want to have strong feelings and be happy to have him. Again, inspired by his comments, if you would 01:30:52.214 --> 01:31:00.039 - consider looking into the EC a little bit and deciding whether you'd like to apply, we have three mayoral 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:07.422 - vacancies. When several of us introduced ourselves, I don't know if you were listening at the time, 01:31:08.258 --> 01:31:16.069 - Some of us have less expertise than you. It's just about caring and trying and being able to attend 01:31:16.069 --> 01:31:23.959 - a meeting every month and chip in where you can on outreach. So I generally support your application 01:31:23.959 --> 01:31:32.083 - here, but would also nudge you to consider the EC. Would I apply for it the same way I did for the Tree 01:31:32.083 --> 01:31:36.926 - Commission, or would it be a difference? Yes. OK. Cool. Yeah. 01:31:38.210 --> 01:31:44.820 - Mitchell has a question. I was going to ask, if she is R represented on a true commission, she kind 01:31:44.820 --> 01:31:51.694 - of has to kind of argue the executive. Or at least send a report. Yeah. So you would still have to deal 01:31:51.694 --> 01:31:58.635 - with those monthly in addition to. To clarify, that's why I think it would be a really good idea because 01:31:58.635 --> 01:32:05.244 - she would attend this meeting, but she would also have a voice in what we are doing. So it would be 01:32:05.244 --> 01:32:06.302 - very helpful if 01:32:06.722 --> 01:32:13.931 - she wanted to be on the free commission for her to also be on the environmental commission. Sorry if 01:32:13.931 --> 01:32:21.141 - I didn't make that clear. I mean, I think it's a great point. I obviously support all the engagement 01:32:21.141 --> 01:32:28.565 - we can get. And yeah, we'd be happy to have you on the full commission. The trees definitely fall under 01:32:28.565 --> 01:32:35.774 - a lot of environmental quality type stuff that we work towards. I guess the one thing I'm trying to, 01:32:36.194 --> 01:32:48.589 - So I would like, I personally believe that our government is best served by meritocracy. So I'm going 01:32:48.589 --> 01:33:02.686 - to start from like a high, high level. Um, I am absolutely willing to do it. I can meet, meet the appointment time. 01:33:02.818 --> 01:33:08.813 - I don't have the educational background, but I do have the, you know, my dad was a landscape architect. 01:33:08.813 --> 01:33:14.751 - I know about residential and commercial considerations. Growing up rural, I've had to take trees down. 01:33:14.751 --> 01:33:20.573 - I understand how to care for trees. I've been working for the Canopy Bloomington. I think I could do 01:33:20.573 --> 01:33:26.338 - a good job on this role. But at the same time, you know, somebody with a background in forestry and 01:33:26.338 --> 01:33:28.990 - horticulture, I also think is very qualified. 01:33:29.122 --> 01:33:34.430 - And also at the same time, I want the environmental permission to be as strong as possible. 01:33:34.430 --> 01:33:40.373 - So if we can, essentially, if you just want to take on the role and join the environmental permission, 01:33:40.373 --> 01:33:46.143 - I would be happy to withdraw my application. Well, I don't want to put her on the spot exactly, but 01:33:46.143 --> 01:33:52.144 - I appreciate the explanation because I do see making the time slot is the biggest thing. You're already 01:33:52.144 --> 01:33:56.702 - here, so you'd already get the meetings. It'd be easy for you to report to us. 01:33:58.018 --> 01:34:05.387 - But yet again, that's something that Nikki can do as well, regardless of whether she joins the EC. We'd 01:34:05.387 --> 01:34:12.826 - just really like you to consider that at least. I've spoken plenty. Does anyone else have feelings about 01:34:12.826 --> 01:34:20.053 - it? Because this is a voting item, but there's no motion yet. We're still just discussing how we feel 01:34:20.053 --> 01:34:23.454 - about our options here. Can you delay the vote? 01:34:24.578 --> 01:34:32.252 - Uh, we can, we have gone a couple of months without a tree commission. Nicole to have the opportunity 01:34:32.252 --> 01:34:39.776 - to think about whether or not she wants to apply for this commission. Nicole, do you understand why 01:34:39.776 --> 01:34:47.751 - that we're interested in that having one of our, uh, so is it correct that they, that the tree commission 01:34:47.751 --> 01:34:52.190 - member would, needs to attend our meetings as well? Is it? 01:34:53.058 --> 01:34:59.872 - There are representatives, so they would need to communicate with us, but I don't think it would actually, 01:34:59.872 --> 01:35:06.368 - they don't count towards our quorum. I don't think they have to physically be present. But I think if 01:35:06.368 --> 01:35:13.056 - we have a report and we have questions about it, it would be important to be able to ask those questions 01:35:13.056 --> 01:35:19.870 - at the meeting. I guess if someone was going to make themselves available during this time slot virtually, 01:35:20.482 --> 01:35:28.784 - They could make themselves available during this time slot in person. Again, the addition of peer pressure. 01:35:28.784 --> 01:35:36.702 - If you consider being a member of the EC, but is there a desire to vote on our appointment to the tree 01:35:36.702 --> 01:35:44.390 - commission today or to postpone and consider how each Nikki and Carl feel about it, maybe have more 01:35:44.390 --> 01:35:49.694 - of a discussion next meeting when we're hopefully not as far behind? 01:35:49.890 --> 01:35:56.518 - How do people feel? I like the latter option. I don't think it'd be fair on her to say, right now, choosing 01:35:56.518 --> 01:36:02.778 - the easy way, go away. We're definitely not presenting you with an ultimatum by any means. We're just 01:36:02.778 --> 01:36:08.916 - trying to properly consider all of our options. Again, we very much appreciate your application and 01:36:08.916 --> 01:36:15.114 - we're not saying no, which is it sounds like we're going to vote to postpone disappointments. I hope 01:36:15.114 --> 01:36:16.894 - you remain interested in it. 01:36:17.506 --> 01:36:24.958 - In the tree commission seat on our behalf and they kind of take a look into into joining our board all 01:36:24.958 --> 01:36:32.265 - together here. So, and if you have questions about the environmental commission, you have my contact 01:36:32.265 --> 01:36:38.270 - information. So feel free to reach out. Okay. I can see the application. So I can. 01:36:38.530 --> 01:36:46.163 - I don't know if the appointment will be made. The appointments available right now are all from, they're 01:36:46.163 --> 01:36:53.796 - all day-long appointments. So it's up to the office of the mayor to make those appointments, but I would 01:36:53.796 --> 01:37:01.138 - be able to see whether she applied or not. To clarify, if she applied, could we send a letter to the 01:37:01.138 --> 01:37:07.390 - mayor in support of her appointment? I think so, as long as the EC voted on it. Yeah. 01:37:07.938 --> 01:37:14.807 - Yeah. Full disclosure, it's been a lot of years, but I'm a mayoral appointment and I treated it slightly 01:37:14.807 --> 01:37:21.481 - like a job application. I put my application in and then I followed up some number of weeks later and 01:37:21.481 --> 01:37:27.827 - it was a previous mayor, but then he just appointed me. It would just be like, don't let it sit. 01:37:27.827 --> 01:37:34.369 - If you apply, if you consider any apply, follow up and if for some reason, the city isn't moving on 01:37:34.369 --> 01:37:37.182 - it, we would definitely entertain pushing. 01:37:37.346 --> 01:37:46.498 - the administration to consider your application. Again, I very much appreciate you applying and being 01:37:46.498 --> 01:37:55.650 - with us through this whole meeting. Thank you for being here to speak with us tonight. Do we formally 01:37:55.650 --> 01:38:02.110 - need to vote on this item or can we just- Can we vote to do that? Yeah. 01:38:02.594 --> 01:38:11.148 - I move to table this until next month. Until the April meeting. I think you need to lay out when it 01:38:11.148 --> 01:38:19.872 - is. I move to table this until the April meeting. We'll meet a sec. Yeah. When Rachel is ready, we'll 01:38:19.872 --> 01:38:28.597 - take a roll call vote. Let's do a message here. Yes. Brown. Yes. Caldy. Yes. Whitaker. Yes. Martinez. 01:38:28.597 --> 01:38:32.446 - Yes. Owens. Yes. Geyser. Yes. Motion passes. 01:38:35.522 --> 01:38:42.763 - So we're going to delay this to our April meeting, which hopefully you're able to attend either virtually 01:38:42.763 --> 01:38:49.732 - or in person. And again, yeah, we're not saying no. We're very happy to have you here. We hope to see 01:38:49.732 --> 01:38:56.222 - you again in a month. Exactly what is the date for the next one? April 16th. 16th, yeah. 16th. 01:38:56.222 --> 01:38:59.774 - Thank you. Yeah, you too. Thank you so much, Nikki. 01:39:00.514 --> 01:39:06.743 - Moving on to old business, handbook discussion continued. The good news is we have had most of this 01:39:06.743 --> 01:39:13.097 - discussion when legal was still here, but I don't know if Rachel, if you'd be willing to pull that up 01:39:13.097 --> 01:39:19.326 - again, just so we can see particularly anything substantive, anything that isn't changing a capital 01:39:19.326 --> 01:39:23.998 - letter or a choice word. Yeah, let me figure out what screen I want. Okay. 01:39:25.538 --> 01:39:33.543 - Is it changed often? We have changed it most months, the past six or seven months. From my understanding, 01:39:33.543 --> 01:39:41.246 - it has not changed. I think that's basically because of former environments. For my understanding, it 01:39:41.246 --> 01:39:48.874 - hasn't changed that often in the years of 3Ds. It would be correct. What's the impetus for the third 01:39:48.874 --> 01:39:52.574 - wave changing? Yeah, there were a lot of things. 01:39:53.122 --> 01:39:59.435 - and mostly forum related recently that have just been trying to make things function in spite of low 01:39:59.435 --> 01:40:05.623 - numbers, mostly. Yeah, previously it would just happen periodically the same way that any kind of, 01:40:05.623 --> 01:40:11.873 - you know, city, you go at it or anything, just look at it when we look at it. And it seems like now 01:40:11.873 --> 01:40:18.124 - we'll be changing directed by legal regardless. And it sounds like within a year, we will again see 01:40:18.124 --> 01:40:21.374 - changes of some kind or another put forth by legal. 01:40:22.466 --> 01:40:29.856 - Yeah, I suppose it has to change with the times and the fine. It can technically be changed at any meeting, 01:40:29.856 --> 01:40:36.699 - but you're right. It's been active lately. Yeah. Okay, so going into these changes, I recommend the 01:40:36.699 --> 01:40:43.678 - changes. A lot of them, like I said, whenever Taylor was here. So these are just where the new boards 01:40:43.678 --> 01:40:50.110 - and commissions rules are going to live within the fluency municipal code or the BMC. I think 01:40:50.274 --> 01:40:58.949 - That was just a correction on what our title 2 says. There's some capitalization edits. This was a change. 01:40:58.949 --> 01:41:07.219 - This is being added to our title 2 apparently. Such funds received by the commission pursuant to this 01:41:07.219 --> 01:41:15.326 - subdivision shall be deposited in accordance with the administrative regulations of the commission. 01:41:15.810 --> 01:41:22.368 - Just more clarification that all appointments shall be made from residents of the city. That was kind 01:41:22.368 --> 01:41:28.862 - of a rule anyway. So just making sure it's in our fire laws. Okay, and we talked about this earlier, 01:41:28.862 --> 01:41:35.420 - how there was a form coming out where everybody on the commission will have to comply with this form. 01:41:35.420 --> 01:41:41.850 - The clerk's office hasn't released this. I think I've seen an edit, not in my inbox, but like in my 01:41:41.850 --> 01:41:42.750 - presentation. 01:41:43.106 --> 01:41:51.184 - And it's basically just saying, you'll comply with the Title II ordinance, and that you'll do your duties 01:41:51.184 --> 01:41:58.958 - in the best possible way, no conflicts of interest, comply with accessibility, things of that nature. 01:41:58.958 --> 01:42:07.341 - Let's see. There's some clarification about the term limits. So striking definition shall serve approximately 01:42:07.341 --> 01:42:09.246 - two-year terms, and that 01:42:09.410 --> 01:42:16.426 - terms for the commission shall be a period of two years. I think this is just like an open door legalese. 01:42:16.426 --> 01:42:23.243 - This clause for removal, this was, some of the language was already in the code. There was some legal, 01:42:23.243 --> 01:42:27.678 - or I guess it's just me moving it down to make its own subsection. 01:42:28.034 --> 01:42:35.745 - and making sure it complies with the BMC with the new reference. So it's still the three consecutive 01:42:35.745 --> 01:42:43.379 - meetings, the missed three consecutive meetings, it's cause for removal. You miss fourth in a year, 01:42:43.379 --> 01:42:51.090 - it's cause for removal. And that either the council or the office of the mayor can make that removal 01:42:51.090 --> 01:42:55.518 - depending on your point to body. This was a small change. 01:42:55.810 --> 01:43:02.727 - Later on in the packet, it says, or later on in the bylaws, it says that things must be submitted to 01:43:02.727 --> 01:43:09.918 - the staff leads on the packet within 10 days of the meeting. The secretary said one week of the meeting. 01:43:09.918 --> 01:43:17.109 - I thought just to make it standard and to help with accessibility stuff, 10 days, making sure that we're 01:43:17.109 --> 01:43:24.574 - all on the same page. We talked about some of Matt's edits already. Any additional comments on Matt's edits? 01:43:24.898 --> 01:43:30.822 - which is about shifting elections from January to June. And we talked about that last month, 01:43:30.822 --> 01:43:36.619 - that it just, the parts that were changed weren't necessarily voted on. Okay. Legal edits, 01:43:36.619 --> 01:43:43.435 - types of meetings. So special meetings can be called by the chair, the mayor, or a majority of the members 01:43:43.435 --> 01:43:49.933 - serving on the EC, request data, meetings, section writing. Upon receiving a request, the chair shall 01:43:49.933 --> 01:43:53.118 - call a special meeting to be held within 20 days. 01:43:53.346 --> 01:44:05.783 - And this meeting should apply with open door laws. This is all just the Indiana photos of remote meetings. 01:44:05.783 --> 01:44:18.104 - So this is the forum discussion that we already had. So from what I understood from Taylor's, when Taylor 01:44:18.104 --> 01:44:23.102 - was here, we're going with the legal edit. 01:44:23.458 --> 01:44:32.354 - Uh, with both the forum and the subcommittee. So we're all comfortable with that. As comfortable as 01:44:32.354 --> 01:44:41.429 - they can be. Yeah. Okay. Um, that is the settings. Yeah. With the groups. Okay. Commissioners made up 01:44:41.429 --> 01:44:50.325 - of fault number six by the city council, six by the mayor, uh, legal, citizen striking. It shall be 01:44:50.325 --> 01:44:52.638 - a priority to have fault. 01:44:52.802 --> 01:45:00.103 - members of the commission. I don't know. It's kind of assumed. And paper applications, this is part 01:45:00.103 --> 01:45:07.696 - of the accessibility that PDFs are super accessible. So you can contact the clerk's office if you can't 01:45:07.696 --> 01:45:15.361 - do the website application and they can help you with that. Let's see. See if that's our mayor evaluates 01:45:15.361 --> 01:45:22.078 - applicants and that's an interview before determining whether the applicants are qualified. 01:45:22.178 --> 01:45:35.062 - I think that was just a typo change. This is my edit. So because of all the accessibility stuff, just 01:45:35.062 --> 01:45:48.830 - Office of the Mayor has a standard design and colors, templates, whatnot. So I'm suggesting striking out the 01:45:49.186 --> 01:45:58.182 - I don't know how you say that font, Tribute 20K, and the template colors. ITS in the comms office has 01:45:58.182 --> 01:46:07.354 - said Roboto is our city's font. So I'm just kind of saying you should just follow digital accessibility 01:46:07.354 --> 01:46:13.086 - guidelines by city of Bloomington, ITS, and office of the mayor. 01:46:19.586 --> 01:46:27.850 - We talked about this one already. Taylor is going to get back to us on, and those are the edits. Any 01:46:27.850 --> 01:46:36.033 - questions on any of those? This is a voting item. Should we have a procedural question? Yeah. I was 01:46:36.033 --> 01:46:44.379 - going to ask if we're still waiting on Taylor to get back to us about that line of receiving approval 01:46:44.379 --> 01:46:48.798 - from the office of mayor. Yeah. Do we want to wait to 01:46:49.282 --> 01:47:14.642 - I was going to take it the same way. I was, I can't do the motion, but I would entertain a motion to 01:47:14.642 --> 01:47:18.910 - approve the, uh, 01:47:20.002 --> 01:47:27.583 - handbook as amended, and then I'm obviously looking forward to Taylor's explanation on that one. Okay. 01:47:27.583 --> 01:47:35.459 - Yeah, if you feel like that one's- if the change is going to happen because it came through the equivalent 01:47:35.459 --> 01:47:43.114 - of- Yeah, I think it'd be an investment to pass it because then we don't have to do the same thing next 01:47:43.114 --> 01:47:49.150 - time. Yeah. Or not. I'm going to ask you to approve the benefits. Thank you both. 01:47:51.074 --> 01:47:58.579 - I forget which order I've gone, so I'm going to go a little sporadic. Let's both call me. Yes. Owens. 01:47:58.579 --> 01:48:06.524 - Yes. Martinez. Yes. Geyser. Yes. Meister. Yes. Brown. Yes. Buecher. Yes. Buecher. Thank you all. Continuing 01:48:06.524 --> 01:48:14.103 - an old business, Bloomington Commission on Sustainability and Resilience cast on update. There's going 01:48:14.103 --> 01:48:20.062 - to be a presentation held in council chambers on April 28th, which is a Tuesday. 01:48:21.154 --> 01:48:30.133 - At 5.30, this is what Bicos specifically, I think Alex York helped spearhead at the O'Neill School and 01:48:30.133 --> 01:48:39.286 - the students will be reporting. That was the time that worked best for them and Bicos, but we and others 01:48:39.286 --> 01:48:48.352 - are also invited to attend. I think those who are able would probably find it very interesting. I think 01:48:48.352 --> 01:48:50.270 - Rachel would have to, 01:48:50.402 --> 01:48:57.479 - notice it as us potentially having quorum, but then I think that's all there is to it because then any 01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:04.487 - of us could attend. We're not doing any voting as a commission or anything. Correct. If you could let 01:49:04.487 --> 01:49:11.771 - me know if you would like to attend, maybe the week before, that would be helpful because we won't notice 01:49:11.771 --> 01:49:18.848 - it as an EC meeting if only one person is going to go because multiple people will go ahead and notice 01:49:18.848 --> 01:49:20.222 - it. How many people 01:49:20.674 --> 01:49:26.920 - would need to be present. It depends on who it is, if he's on the working groups. Yeah. Yeah, 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:33.565 - and even then, it's not necessarily, I don't know, it's noticing that a forum may appear. Yeah, I'm 01:49:33.565 --> 01:49:40.276 - just kidding. Still no agenda, still no idea, right? I hope to attend, but can make no guarantees as 01:49:40.276 --> 01:49:47.186 - far out. We'll check again in April. Yeah, that's just the update. Put it on your calendar, think about 01:49:47.186 --> 01:49:50.110 - it. It's about the feasibility of doing it. 01:49:50.274 --> 01:49:58.860 - Electric utility, independent of Duke. I am interested in what they have to say. Item C is working group 01:49:58.860 --> 01:50:07.365 - updates. I'm not sure exactly what we're looking to cover in this one. Yeah, so I wanted, we have eight 01:50:07.365 --> 01:50:12.190 - minutes left unless we add additional time to the meeting. 01:50:12.322 --> 01:50:18.658 - I want to ask the new members if they would like to hear more about each worker group or if we want 01:50:18.658 --> 01:50:25.121 - to fast track this and you guys want to move on next. Next up, we'll probably also do a heavy agenda. 01:50:25.121 --> 01:50:31.458 - We've just been having heavy agendas over the summer. Yes, new members, I promise this isn't normal 01:50:31.458 --> 01:50:38.174 - that meetings are going two hours or longer each time, but it's a tough time of year and we had a tornado 01:50:38.174 --> 01:50:41.406 - last month. Could be a brief overview. Well, okay. 01:50:44.706 --> 01:50:52.370 - And we only need five right from you now. I guess we just wrote it on the bylaws, but. Yeah. Trying 01:50:52.370 --> 01:51:00.034 - to think of how many people you should, anyway. Carl and Justin, what do you prefer? Would you have 01:51:00.034 --> 01:51:07.085 - to care about the working groups? A quick sense or two on each one would be pretty helpful. 01:51:07.085 --> 01:51:11.070 - Okay. Biodiversity, Matt, do you want to take that? 01:51:11.554 --> 01:51:19.255 - Biodiversity is a working group that I only very recently joined, so I can't tell you about all the 01:51:19.255 --> 01:51:26.955 - things they've done in the past. They're working on habitat connectivity. Last year, we worked with 01:51:26.955 --> 01:51:34.964 - the city to help become a bee city. Biodiversity has been up too recently. Eco-heroes. Eco-heroes crops 01:51:34.964 --> 01:51:41.278 - up this time each year to make our art contest happen, which is currently active. 01:51:41.474 --> 01:51:48.607 - closes on April 7th, and the awards and presentation and pickup of items will be at the Earth Day event, 01:51:48.607 --> 01:51:55.468 - the 18th of April at Suchard. Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts to try to make it happen, and that 01:51:55.468 --> 01:52:02.261 - group is active for a good less than half the year, but then very active when they are active. I'll 01:52:02.261 --> 01:52:05.726 - cover the environmental efficiency committee ECPC. 01:52:05.826 --> 01:52:12.279 - This is a working group to work with the planning and transportation department to review different 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:18.860 - plan developments that are going to BZA commission that has pretty severe environmental implications. 01:52:18.860 --> 01:52:25.765 - Light pollution, Adam, do you want to take that on? Yeah, that one's pretty self-explanatory. Just looking 01:52:25.765 --> 01:52:32.798 - at the light pollution as it exists in Bloomington and trying to figure out ways to mitigate it when we can. 01:52:33.026 --> 01:52:41.510 - We're probably going to be maybe working with the parks department. I'm going to call on you for outreach 01:52:41.510 --> 01:52:49.513 - and education. And I'm so sorry, Mitchell. I forgot the water quality. We have two meetings, one or 01:52:49.513 --> 01:52:57.597 - two meetings. And so far what we're doing is trying to clean up our everything we have online on the 01:52:57.597 --> 01:53:00.798 - environmental commissions informational 01:53:01.410 --> 01:53:08.101 - resources online and clean it up and update it. At the end of the day, outreach is probably going to 01:53:08.101 --> 01:53:14.924 - be the most effective thing through this commission in general. Looking ahead, tabling where possible, 01:53:14.924 --> 01:53:21.614 - maybe letters to the editor, all that. We're just going to try to keep it in front of eyes and ears. 01:53:21.614 --> 01:53:28.438 - Special projects work. That's right now mostly me and Kerry, but if grant opportunities come up or any 01:53:28.438 --> 01:53:29.630 - other big things, 01:53:29.922 --> 01:53:37.725 - special projects there to tackle that kind of stuff. And then water quality. Water quality is water 01:53:37.725 --> 01:53:45.684 - quality. And I already told you two, you're both going to be on it. So I'll catch you up when we have 01:53:45.684 --> 01:53:53.565 - our next meeting. Okay. So as far as, that's the gist of it. But does biodiversity have any updates? 01:53:53.565 --> 01:53:54.814 - No, no updates. 01:53:55.650 --> 01:54:02.997 - Eco-heroes. Sorry, I don't mean to take over. You can go ahead. No, that's okay. My notes are a mess. 01:54:02.997 --> 01:54:09.624 - So actually, without looking up, I don't know where we are. Eco-heroes. Oh, yeah. Goodness, 01:54:09.624 --> 01:54:17.043 - there's updates. I can start out with some updates if you need a chance to pause. Okay. So I sent this 01:54:17.043 --> 01:54:24.030 - sponsorship spreadsheet to Matt today, this morning, or yesterday. Yesterday afternoon, I think. 01:54:24.290 --> 01:54:31.701 - was a new process that we had to confirm with legal. So I think that's part of the reason why I'm not 01:54:31.701 --> 01:54:39.040 - legal this morning to kind of smooth out stuff for next year. So we'll talk more about how next year 01:54:39.040 --> 01:54:46.379 - can go at another time. If he hasn't already, he will reach out to those businesses soon. I did meet 01:54:46.379 --> 01:54:53.790 - with the Earth Day trainers on Tuesday. And so they were asking if the event has to be moved indoors. 01:54:53.986 --> 01:55:01.854 - They were acknowledging that last year there were some audio issues during the presentation. So they 01:55:01.854 --> 01:55:09.723 - wanted to see, they kind of outlined a few options on how we can do this this year. The options are, 01:55:09.723 --> 01:55:17.669 - we can do the same as last year. It's gonna have audio issues again. They seem to want to avoid that. 01:55:17.669 --> 01:55:18.526 - The other, 01:55:18.626 --> 01:55:25.622 - options were the owner had having a presentation with images during that time. So without a speaker, 01:55:25.622 --> 01:55:32.827 - without a formal decoration, I guess, of the winners. And then one of the planners also suggested doing 01:55:32.827 --> 01:55:40.031 - a video live stream. I'm not sure how that's any different than being on the podium and doing the audio 01:55:40.031 --> 01:55:46.750 - issues and whatnot. But those were kind of the three of status quo presentation for live stream. 01:55:48.290 --> 01:55:56.920 - Is there a preference on any of those? Not for me. I like avoiding the audio issues. If we did not do 01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:05.380 - a formal presentation where there is a photo opportunity and whatnot, and they just stop by the eco 01:56:05.380 --> 01:56:13.841 - heroes table to pick up a prize and get a certificate and a sticker, is that okay with you all? And 01:56:13.841 --> 01:56:17.310 - we have a presentation in the background 01:56:17.506 --> 01:56:25.268 - You know, that set time? I mean, at the end of the day, it's whatever they're willing to accommodate, 01:56:25.268 --> 01:56:33.106 - right? I mean. Right. They're willing to accommodate how it went last year. It's just the audio issue. 01:56:33.106 --> 01:56:41.096 - Yeah. Yeah. No one wants a repeat of audio issues. So whatever the smoothest way we can do it is without 01:56:41.096 --> 01:56:45.662 - totally downplaying the event. Yeah. It's fine with me. OK. 01:56:46.914 --> 01:56:57.575 - We have, at this time, I'm going to ask if someone would move to extend the meeting. I will extend the 01:56:57.575 --> 01:57:08.651 - meeting by 10 minutes. Sorry, sorry. You know, quick roll call. Okay, Brown. Yes. Whitaker. Yes. Martinez. 01:57:08.651 --> 01:57:16.414 - Yes. Falby. Yes. Owens. Yes. Geyser. Yes. Master. Yes. Anything everybody? 01:57:18.594 --> 01:57:26.696 - Motion passes. Okay, printed materials, that's a voting item? Yes. Also, I've requested Office of the 01:57:26.696 --> 01:57:34.957 - Mayor to be there. I haven't heard back yet, so there's a chance that staff will be there. I'm not able 01:57:34.957 --> 01:57:43.297 - to make it again, but I will, you know, that's to set you all up. Okay, for the printed materials, Harry 01:57:43.297 --> 01:57:48.222 - sent this over. This is a sticker to give to every eco-heroes 01:57:48.482 --> 01:57:55.611 - submission or artists, I should say, because in the past only the winners got something. So it's going 01:57:55.611 --> 01:58:02.740 - to be a sticker. Let's see if I can rotate this easily. I guess I'm not. This is a certificate for the 01:58:02.740 --> 01:58:09.730 - Eco-Heroes, just so they have a formalized certificate for the winner. Again. Oh, I was going to say 01:58:09.730 --> 01:58:16.859 - that was the participant. Oh, thank you, Matt. And then this next one is the fancier one on card stock 01:58:16.859 --> 01:58:18.174 - for winners. Yeah. 01:58:18.370 --> 01:58:26.711 - So everybody would, non-winners would still get this. And winners would get the fancier one. So because 01:58:26.711 --> 01:58:34.732 - it's a document by a working group, we need to do a formalizing vote. Is there a- Technically means 01:58:34.732 --> 01:58:42.993 - someone needs to motion, somebody needs to second. We approved the written materials, yeah. Thank you, 01:58:42.993 --> 01:58:47.966 - Mitchell. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, that's fine. OK. Mester. Yes. 01:58:48.706 --> 01:58:56.755 - Geyser. Yeah. Owens. Yes. Martinez. Yes. Boutiqueur. Yes. Falby. Yes. Brown. Motion passes. Any other 01:58:56.755 --> 01:59:04.804 - updates from the Eco Heroes? Rachel, do you know at what time during the Earth Day event the ceremony 01:59:04.804 --> 01:59:12.774 - will be? 1.15 is the formal ceremony. I encourage whenever we reach out to participants to tell them 01:59:12.774 --> 01:59:17.982 - to line up at 1 o'clock if it is outdoors. If it's outdoors, it's 01:59:18.530 --> 01:59:27.634 - presentation as scheduled. And we'll know about two days prior, either way. It would be in our best 01:59:27.634 --> 01:59:37.011 - interest. I think that we are allowed to email each other about matters of scheduling, but do we know? 01:59:37.011 --> 01:59:46.206 - I'd like to kind of get a feel for who was able to attend the event. 1130 is probably a set up time. 01:59:46.338 --> 01:59:55.120 - for tables, organizing prizes, laying things out. And on each of these slots, I'm hoping that maybe 01:59:55.120 --> 02:00:03.902 - two people can be there. What's the date on this one? This is the 18th of April at Switchyard Park. 02:00:03.902 --> 02:00:12.772 - I know why I cannot be there. Yeah, you have a good excuse. It's not a terribly long event, so I may 02:00:12.772 --> 02:00:15.582 - try to be there the whole time. 02:00:15.746 --> 02:00:22.558 - But knowing that I wouldn't be setting up or tearing down or handling people picking up their submissions 02:00:22.558 --> 02:00:29.242 - by myself would be awesome. So if anyone wants to commit in the moment to any particular chunk of time, 02:00:29.242 --> 02:00:35.668 - awesome. If not, we can email about it since scheduling is allowed. We'll be there for insert chunk 02:00:35.668 --> 02:00:42.288 - of time later. OK. I guess given our time constraints today, I don't want to take the time to actually 02:00:42.288 --> 02:00:45.694 - try to write out every slot. So anticipate an email. 02:00:46.274 --> 02:00:52.510 - I can attend. I do need to iron out the time. Yeah. Excellent. Well, we appreciate anyone who can show 02:00:52.510 --> 02:00:58.624 - up because it's just a good time to be the face of the group a little bit. We could do that. I don't 02:00:58.624 --> 02:01:04.678 - know if we have something like a big sheet or big pad of paper available so we can take suggestions 02:01:04.678 --> 02:01:10.732 - from people who walk up or if we're going to not do that. If somebody sends in a request for order, 02:01:10.732 --> 02:01:13.214 - we can approve that over e-mail. Got it. 02:01:13.346 --> 02:01:19.122 - So it's one of those, so we'll figure out what kind of tabling activities we'll do. Yeah, we'll notice 02:01:19.122 --> 02:01:24.731 - this is a leave-in at the time. No, public events like this don't need to be noticed. Yeah, we just 02:01:24.731 --> 02:01:30.900 - can't like vote or do anything, but I appreciate that. Talk about business. Yep. What about their submissions 02:01:30.900 --> 02:01:36.788 - again? City Hall. So there's a table up front at the atrium, so they can sit. So they can sit out there? 02:01:36.788 --> 02:01:42.453 - Yep. Early, taking submissions. Yep, until 5 p.m. and April 7th. And if it's digital, they can email 02:01:42.453 --> 02:01:43.294 - environment at 02:01:43.586 --> 02:01:51.079 - Bloomington, Diana. We have that one digital on three physical submissions. That's a good start. If 02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:58.872 - it's really windy, you're going to need links and stuff to like for paper art. And I think we have some 02:01:58.872 --> 02:02:06.740 - geodes or something in the tub. We have some. We have had this problem before at the same event a couple 02:02:06.740 --> 02:02:12.510 - of years ago. That was awesome. It was awesome. It was just difficult. ECPC. 02:02:12.674 --> 02:02:19.408 - Do you have any updates on ECPC? We don't have anything new for the ECPC member. I was going to cancel 02:02:19.408 --> 02:02:26.403 - the April 2nd meeting. Do you guys want to have the April 7th meeting in the evening? I think with nothing 02:02:26.403 --> 02:02:33.399 - new, I'm okay with both being canceled, but I don't want to speak for everyone. Yeah, if there's something 02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:38.302 - good. I'll go ahead and cancel this. Another quick article of information. 02:02:38.626 --> 02:02:45.449 - For the subcommittees that are interested, do we need a formal vote to join or do we just show up? Email 02:02:45.449 --> 02:02:52.531 - me that you'd like to be on that committee. I'll put you on a committee email list. Each committee basically 02:02:52.531 --> 02:02:59.289 - has a chair and they kind of organize stuff. So yeah, for what it's worth, I would like kind of working 02:02:59.289 --> 02:03:03.902 - group reorganization on next month's agenda. Just say that in advance. 02:03:07.938 --> 02:03:13.542 - I think you already told basically what light pollution's at. Yeah, we met right before this meeting. 02:03:13.542 --> 02:03:19.091 - Like I said, we're probably going to be reaching out to the parks department. Rachel, you mentioned, 02:03:19.091 --> 02:03:24.695 - and at the January meeting, I think, there were some. Joanna Sparks, I think. Okay. Because you have, 02:03:24.695 --> 02:03:30.134 - they send you her information. I don't remember. Okay, I'll send it to you. That's pretty much it. 02:03:30.134 --> 02:03:35.134 - We might, or actually, we might be trying to get some information down in this case. Okay. 02:03:35.682 --> 02:03:43.774 - Do you need a contact for that? I don't know who that would be, but do you need a contact? Okay. And 02:03:43.774 --> 02:03:51.866 - what month were you on? Whatever month we can get it. Trying to learn the process. Yeah. I'll figure 02:03:51.866 --> 02:04:00.279 - that out for you. Bye. Outreach and education did not meet. Special projects working group did not meet. 02:04:00.279 --> 02:04:04.766 - And I forgot water volume, so sorry again. You're good. 02:04:04.866 --> 02:04:16.469 - Well, equality does not exist. I would certainly entertain a motion to push any reports in the next 02:04:16.469 --> 02:04:28.885 - month's meeting. So I passed that. But again, I need somebody to make a motion. I motion to remove reports 02:04:28.885 --> 02:04:31.902 - the next month's meeting. 02:04:35.554 --> 02:05:05.182 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 02:05:05.666 --> 02:05:11.468 - A few people took flyers for Eco Heroes 2, so I think hopefully we'll get some submissions. Yay. Yeah. 02:05:11.468 --> 02:05:17.214 - No brainer, commissioner announcement. Tell people about Eco Heroes. Yes. Tell people with kids, tell 02:05:17.214 --> 02:05:22.847 - people without kids, doesn't really matter. Get your friends to share with their friends. You don't 02:05:22.847 --> 02:05:28.649 - even really have to be a Bloomington resident, just be local, be in the county, I guess. I mean, we're 02:05:28.649 --> 02:05:34.846 - not trying to shut down nearby submissions. We just don't want any pro from a ways away submitting something. 02:05:36.098 --> 02:05:42.237 - We already talked about, yeah, see, I went before the City Council last night and I hope that people 02:05:42.237 --> 02:05:48.376 - were watching that just to announce it. Dave Asmonds was kind enough to put it in his B-square email 02:05:48.376 --> 02:05:54.698 - this morning. So we're circulating. We just gotta keep pressuring people to not forget and to get their 02:05:54.698 --> 02:06:01.141 - submissions in on time. That's my announcement. I can cover upcoming events. I did forget the STEM event, 02:06:01.141 --> 02:06:04.606 - so I apologize. Thank you for bringing that to the mesh. 02:06:04.738 --> 02:06:12.568 - Does somebody want to take the tote? I will need help carrying it down and back downstairs if somebody 02:06:12.568 --> 02:06:20.171 - doesn't want to take it. Ego here is judging Thursday, April 9th. I will be here from eight to five 02:06:20.171 --> 02:06:28.229 - on suite 130. Contact me with questions. So to anyone who's new or just doesn't know that it's voluntary, 02:06:28.229 --> 02:06:31.422 - you can decide whether you'd like to help 02:06:31.810 --> 02:06:37.011 - judge and rank the submissions. If you can find any time during that day, it's kind of like, Rachel, 02:06:37.011 --> 02:06:42.161 - no, when you're gonna drop by, we'll have a simple, you know, like first, second, third in each age 02:06:42.161 --> 02:06:47.413 - group. And then we'll kind of aggregate that, whoever does vote on it to determine winners. So that's 02:06:47.413 --> 02:06:52.717 - the kind of drop by and judge day. If you can't, that's okay, plenty of us will. But if you'd like to, 02:06:52.717 --> 02:06:58.330 - it is kind of fun to come check it out ahead of time, so. The Master Gardener Fair is occurring on Saturday, 02:06:58.330 --> 02:07:01.214 - April 11th from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the Switchard Park. 02:07:01.410 --> 02:07:08.138 - Heidi has been finding out to be the lead on that. So I did not look up Heidi's contact information 02:07:08.138 --> 02:07:15.134 - in our public packet, but we, is email okay to share with the rest of the mission if there are options. 02:07:15.134 --> 02:07:21.929 - And then Earth Day, Saturday, April 18th from 12th to 3.30. Matt, I did check set up is at 11 or so. 02:07:21.929 --> 02:07:28.926 - All right, so then they're set up against the 10.30. I'm going to go there. Carrie is the lead on that. 02:07:29.058 --> 02:07:35.274 - So I think everybody has Kerry's email information. I did forget about the STEM event. I think it's 02:07:35.274 --> 02:07:41.614 - April 16th because there was the conflict. Yes, at the same time. So it'll be that night. Yes, I did. 02:07:41.614 --> 02:07:48.016 - So I think Kerry will reach out about making sure we have people at the Earth Day event at time slots. 02:07:48.016 --> 02:07:54.418 - And Heidi, thank you so much for taking point on the Master Gardener one. Could you be the same? Could 02:07:54.418 --> 02:07:56.158 - you email people just about 02:07:56.322 --> 02:08:02.142 - when they can be there with you, just so we know that the scheduling is being overdone. What is the 02:08:02.142 --> 02:08:07.439 - schedule for that? It is just slightly higher on the screen. Saturday, April 11th, nine to 02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:13.375 - four at Switchyard. Yeah, so we'll need to coordinate volunteers. I guess that's the last part of it. 02:08:13.375 --> 02:08:19.254 - Right. I'm approaching that earlier. Yeah, I wouldn't expect anyone to be there that long, but would 02:08:19.254 --> 02:08:25.598 - you basically email all the commission members and see when they might be willing to do that, just so we can 02:08:25.890 --> 02:08:36.179 - know whether we have things covered inside. With that, we are out of time. And so unless there are any 02:08:36.179 --> 02:08:46.368 - motions to extend for anything else, I motion we adjourn. Thank you, everyone, for being here. I know 02:08:46.368 --> 02:08:55.358 - that one was a little bit of a slog. It's going to get better, but probably not till May. 02:08:55.810 --> 02:09:04.638 - They're in the, they're in the centers. They're, yeah. We have like a hundred. Recording stopped.