WEBVTT 00:00:00.386 --> 00:00:06.854 - I usually talk pretty fast. So if I zip over anything that doesn't make sense, feel free to raise your 00:00:06.854 --> 00:00:13.259 - hand. But I know last month you got an introduction to a lot of things. But depending on what we talk 00:00:13.259 --> 00:00:19.664 - about, I feel free to ask questions. Well, OK. Well, speaking of last month's meeting, we're going to 00:00:19.664 --> 00:00:26.069 - go into the approval of minutes and agenda. So first, we're going to assess this month's agenda. Does 00:00:26.069 --> 00:00:27.262 - that have anybody? 00:00:30.210 --> 00:00:52.926 - Thank you, Heidi. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you, Heidi. Thank you, Shannon. 00:00:53.058 --> 00:00:59.883 - And thanks to everybody who was at last month's meeting. It was a real nail-biter. We've got minutes 00:00:59.883 --> 00:01:06.641 - from last month to approve. I move we approve large minutes. Thank you, Matt. Bye, Matt. Thank you, 00:01:06.641 --> 00:01:13.602 - Maggie. Matt Hawley. Yes. Peter Fairfax. Yes. Shannon Guy. Yes. Mitchell Owens. Yes. Carl Weiser. Yes. 00:01:13.602 --> 00:01:20.495 - Justin Master. Yes. Harry Albright. Yes. Sidey Brown. Yes. Motion passes. Wonderful. OK. I'm going to 00:01:20.495 --> 00:01:22.590 - put anyone else in their room. 00:01:22.722 --> 00:01:31.463 - If there's anyone in the hallway, I encourage you to pop in if you'd like. If you have anyone online. 00:01:31.463 --> 00:01:40.203 - Great. Just the family tonight. Love it. The first thing on the list is working group re-organization 00:01:40.203 --> 00:01:49.201 - discussion, which I suspect was nominated by Dr. Matt Baldy. Okay. Based on some of the recent questions 00:01:49.201 --> 00:01:52.286 - we had for legal, one of these was, 00:01:53.506 --> 00:02:02.058 - was actually read verbatim at a previous meeting, but I essentially get organized, I'm sorry. Read last 00:02:02.058 --> 00:02:10.445 - week, we're having a lot of trouble with being able to communicate with one another primarily because 00:02:10.445 --> 00:02:18.174 - a working group could be two members, whereas lots of boards and commissions are able to work 00:02:18.498 --> 00:02:24.459 - on things together or communicate with a couple of each other as long as it is not a quorum or it is 00:02:24.459 --> 00:02:30.597 - not like a serial meeting where they reach out to a couple of people and say, you reach out to a couple 00:02:30.597 --> 00:02:36.558 - of people and anything that's talking, open door laws would also not be allowed. But the reason that 00:02:36.558 --> 00:02:42.756 - they can do those communications and we can't is because of our tiny working groups. So what I was going 00:02:42.756 --> 00:02:43.582 - to propose as 00:02:44.226 --> 00:02:51.144 - I didn't get the asterisk next to it up there at the potential voting battle here. No, it's okay. I 00:02:51.144 --> 00:02:58.476 - didn't specifically mention it to you, so that's on me. What I was planning to propose today was actually 00:02:58.476 --> 00:03:05.532 - removing all the working groups except for ECPC. It sounds like the city was headed in this direction 00:03:05.532 --> 00:03:12.865 - going into next year anyway, which they could be brought back with administration approval that processes 00:03:12.865 --> 00:03:14.110 - are all changing. 00:03:14.626 --> 00:03:21.855 - But with our eco heroes pretty much wrapped up in the presentation this weekend, that one as well could 00:03:21.855 --> 00:03:28.876 - be removed this way. If a couple of people found a flyer that they wanted to get included in tabling 00:03:28.876 --> 00:03:35.966 - or outreach and education, they could email it to each other without being in violation of the quorum 00:03:35.966 --> 00:03:43.056 - because at this point, it's not a working group meeting. It's just two people and currently I believe 00:03:43.056 --> 00:03:44.446 - nine, but up to 12, 00:03:44.642 --> 00:03:50.152 - person's body communicating. So part of the reason that we had working groups being so formally broken 00:03:50.152 --> 00:03:55.556 - out is because we had really specific initiatives, like a report, or we had documents, or eco-heroes 00:03:55.556 --> 00:04:00.906 - was the planet of its own responsibility. So having that formal working group made it easier for us 00:04:00.906 --> 00:04:06.470 - to stay on top of it. But then we had to put in language about foreign and things like that, which made 00:04:06.470 --> 00:04:11.873 - sense when we were very small to take two, but then it immediately turns into what kind of exchanges 00:04:11.873 --> 00:04:14.334 - can we have without violating open door laws. 00:04:14.626 --> 00:04:21.801 - This moving forward, Matthew, an idea of how we would communicate if there's a water quality report 00:04:21.801 --> 00:04:29.191 - that people want to work on. That's one of the language surrounding that is one of the biggest hurdles 00:04:29.191 --> 00:04:36.796 - to me because it is so nice with the working groups have point person. It's like if you want to do water, 00:04:36.796 --> 00:04:43.038 - talk to Mitchell. I guess we can still just say that if you're going to work on water. 00:04:43.810 --> 00:04:49.810 - email Mitchell, but as long as the group that is communicating does not reach the quorum of five, this 00:04:49.810 --> 00:04:56.043 - is okay. And this is what other groups do. If people want to, I have watched other boards and commissions, 00:04:56.043 --> 00:05:02.159 - if they want to work on a resolution or an ordinance, I can't do an ordinance, a resolution that they're 00:05:02.159 --> 00:05:07.984 - going to bring before their whole body the following month, people can work on it at the same time, 00:05:07.984 --> 00:05:12.702 - just not a majority of the commission. And so by formally ending working groups, 00:05:12.898 --> 00:05:19.510 - We would put ourselves in that, but we're like, we're allowed to communicate about things as long as 00:05:19.510 --> 00:05:26.318 - it isn't a quorum of the body. Um, we still, if anything's being approved, it would have to come before 00:05:26.318 --> 00:05:32.668 - the commission for above, but, um, it would be, be the formal ending of all, all working groups, 00:05:32.668 --> 00:05:37.054 - but he CPC, um, specifically in name, because again, functionally, 00:05:38.562 --> 00:05:44.487 - could still be people who care about this thing, who are working on this thing. The ECPC is, 00:05:44.487 --> 00:05:50.986 - I would say, maybe the best one to keep because we meet as a group with our liaison, and then when we 00:05:50.986 --> 00:05:57.613 - meet separately to write up a memo, the process is a collaborative, we're writing this memo as a group, 00:05:57.613 --> 00:06:03.984 - so there isn't that need for like, we're going to email him, whatever it's meant to be. Part of the 00:06:03.984 --> 00:06:07.998 - in-person experience is creating the thing that we need to do. 00:06:08.578 --> 00:06:14.134 - which the water quality group may not need to have that face-to-face time emailing would be just as 00:06:14.134 --> 00:06:19.746 - easy. So moving out of working group structure would make sense. So basically because open door laws 00:06:19.746 --> 00:06:25.524 - define an email as a meeting, if they're a quorum of the body and discuss official business, this would 00:06:25.524 --> 00:06:31.469 - make it not a quorum of the body. So the email will not constitute a meeting, so we would not be violating 00:06:31.469 --> 00:06:35.358 - open door laws. This will not. No, that's not what's in the business. 00:06:35.586 --> 00:06:47.459 - This was 10 ground approved a month ago. Yeah. So, today we met as an education. And then we were productive 00:06:47.459 --> 00:06:58.352 - in 30 minutes. Is there a way that we could work in like, our group or what we typically talk about 00:06:58.352 --> 00:07:04.670 - in groups into our regular in person meetings of any non. 00:07:04.834 --> 00:07:11.375 - forum group of the body is something that I would still need guidance on, but I did specifically from 00:07:11.375 --> 00:07:17.852 - Lee Willearn that the emails would be okay. However though, if we have the meeting today, when we go 00:07:17.852 --> 00:07:24.457 - through our working, when we go through what would be formerly working groups, our primary objectives, 00:07:24.457 --> 00:07:31.063 - we could organize, finally organize so that we can just brief the section of what we might be covering 00:07:31.063 --> 00:07:34.782 - in working groups. I think it would be under things like, 00:07:35.042 --> 00:07:41.072 - active topics, like something that's just like, we're just going to talk about this stuff. And if there's 00:07:41.072 --> 00:07:46.761 - a group that had a conversation about it and you want to bring something to it, perfect timing. But 00:07:46.761 --> 00:07:52.848 - it would be like, more group updates. Right. The reason why it works is because that collection of people, 00:07:52.848 --> 00:07:59.049 - not a working group anymore, but those individuals wouldn't be able to prove anything without the commission 00:07:59.049 --> 00:08:05.022 - as a whole. So there's no harm to be done for that small amount of co-work with a minority of the group. 00:08:07.106 --> 00:08:15.641 - And what's the de minimis? At this point, the de minimis is five. So we would have to have, yeah, you 00:08:15.641 --> 00:08:24.093 - wouldn't be able to email five people. Most of our work is done. Which, yeah, they have to be, yeah. 00:08:24.093 --> 00:08:32.545 - This isn't coming from nowhere. This has been something that I've been kind of painstakingly working 00:08:32.545 --> 00:08:35.390 - with emails to legal and one with 00:08:36.578 --> 00:08:43.873 - for a little while now, and it just seems like, especially the people here, is wrapping up this as good 00:08:43.873 --> 00:08:51.097 - of a time as I need to close the book on the working groups that are not at ECPC. What about the PORC? 00:08:51.097 --> 00:08:58.532 - How does this sound? I was just going to ask, in terms of ECPC, how is that going to work with the Quorum 00:08:58.532 --> 00:09:05.406 - stuff? Like, if people are on ECPC together, does that still make emails between them for voting? 00:09:05.602 --> 00:09:12.343 - Or is it like... It does. My understanding is that if the four of us are on the ECPC, the four of us 00:09:12.343 --> 00:09:19.152 - can't talk about the half-technical plan because we're all in the same working group and that working 00:09:19.152 --> 00:09:25.826 - group has a plan of two. We can make the quorum four for the ECPC, but then we can't meet without a 00:09:25.826 --> 00:09:32.568 - quorum. So it's kind of... Yeah, there's a little bit of a balancing act to be done on what would be 00:09:32.568 --> 00:09:33.502 - the remaining 00:09:34.466 --> 00:09:41.419 - working group on the way I've proposed it. I also don't know if collaboration on documents is still 00:09:41.419 --> 00:09:48.581 - technically allowed or not through this process. I'm always looking back and thinking they're all from 00:09:48.581 --> 00:09:55.673 - that ecosystem set in 2024 that was passed along to me and they were told no collaboration documents. 00:09:55.673 --> 00:10:02.974 - I think they got the ball rolling a while ago when I had a Google Doc. Things could actively be covered. 00:10:03.138 --> 00:10:10.276 - on but I know that since you know resolutions have been brought forward by two individuals so seemingly 00:10:10.276 --> 00:10:17.278 - they can email each other back and forth until they have their before their commission so I mean it's 00:10:17.278 --> 00:10:24.348 - when we were originally instructed that basically you know you can work in parallel but you can't work 00:10:24.348 --> 00:10:31.486 - together at all outside as a meeting from other boards of commissions I am watching there's no way that 00:10:31.938 --> 00:10:39.879 - that that is the reality of some of these situations. And from my own question to Lee Will about this, 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:47.666 - I got a direct answer from Taylor regarding emails that as long as it's not a quorum, it'll be okay. 00:10:47.666 --> 00:10:55.529 - The council body also works on joint memos and letters together as well, so it must also be memos and 00:10:55.529 --> 00:10:59.230 - stuff like that. They have their own, you know, 00:10:59.394 --> 00:11:05.756 - So they have to love sleep of attorney. We are under the executive assurance. So here are your different 00:11:05.756 --> 00:11:12.057 - balance. That's my original impression. How are you all different? They still also have specific things 00:11:12.057 --> 00:11:18.176 - like they have to be careful that I have serial meetings. Like, even within this, they're able to go 00:11:18.176 --> 00:11:24.295 - work, but they still have. Open door laws that they have open door law doesn't differentiate doesn't 00:11:24.295 --> 00:11:27.870 - between legislative intersecting branches and in terms of. 00:11:28.258 --> 00:11:36.073 - Yeah, so if you've seen one, the legal background should be the same. I understand it's not real, but 00:11:36.073 --> 00:11:44.118 - it's kind of relatively the same. The statutes are the same, but they are to be interpreted by any given 00:11:44.118 --> 00:11:51.856 - body's legal department or individuals. Yeah, and that's part of it, too. The ones with the guidance 00:11:51.856 --> 00:11:56.606 - that were provided. I wanted to add to that before for a bit. 00:11:56.706 --> 00:12:03.897 - This is not a voting item, but a handbook that special leader off is, so we still have an opportunity 00:12:03.897 --> 00:12:11.018 - to vote on this. Is there any, so, I mean, I think we could just like go on about this, but is there 00:12:11.018 --> 00:12:18.138 - anything specific people need to hear, share, while we're in the second about dissolving the working 00:12:18.138 --> 00:12:25.470 - group spending? I think I want to make sure we don't lose the activities of the working group spending. 00:12:25.762 --> 00:12:30.877 - And I think that's, in my opinion, is probably the scariest thing is because when we say you're the 00:12:30.877 --> 00:12:35.531 - lead on this working group, at least that person has that sense of responsibility of like, 00:12:35.531 --> 00:12:40.441 - what are we doing? What are we doing? What's the plan? I know I get real nosy about that stuff, 00:12:40.441 --> 00:12:45.812 - but like, I think that that's my biggest fear is that all this stuff is just kind of kind of their whole 00:12:45.812 --> 00:12:51.080 - way. That's not so, if it's not important to us, it's not important to us. If we can build it into our 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.558 - agenda, I mean, what if we just, do we think we're fit best in the, 00:12:55.074 --> 00:13:00.960 - I mean, we won't have working group updates. It would be that if people want to put it on the agenda, 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:07.020 - when Rachel does her call or something, you would just say, hey, I've got something I want to talk about 00:13:07.020 --> 00:13:12.907 - about diversity. It'd be a lot of fun. Yeah, so individuals every month still have the opportunity to 00:13:12.907 --> 00:13:18.793 - get things out of the agenda as long as it's 10 days before the meeting. Yep, individuals could still 00:13:18.793 --> 00:13:23.006 - bring that forward. I mean, I'm as uncomfortable with change as anybody. 00:13:23.586 --> 00:13:29.850 - But it does seem just kind of like a new chapter, I guess. I mean, we've had working groups as long 00:13:29.850 --> 00:13:36.364 - before I was on this commission, and through the whole time I was on the commission. But it sounds like 00:13:36.364 --> 00:13:42.753 - we're going in the direction of what's going away. Anyway, in this instance, it should make our lives 00:13:42.753 --> 00:13:49.080 - more functional when it comes to work of the body. So instead of waiting until January, I was trying 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:53.214 - to get a nervous start. Yeah, I think that's a good one, I think. 00:13:53.730 --> 00:14:02.865 - Any other thoughts from anybody before we continue? I think this is a great idea only because the winged 00:14:02.865 --> 00:14:11.565 - episode of now is going to make it impossible to get things done. The point of the commission is to 00:14:11.565 --> 00:14:20.526 - be able to get stuff done in my view. I'm trying to think of potential downsides. The only thing I can 00:14:20.526 --> 00:14:21.918 - think of is top 00:14:22.306 --> 00:14:28.248 - And then I guess you keep it informal as to who's tech and what working group, non-working group. Yeah. 00:14:28.248 --> 00:14:34.134 - Yeah, so in the meeting, we could see who expresses interest in a thing so that Mitchell knows who the 00:14:34.134 --> 00:14:39.905 - email. But outside the meeting, you could put out a feeler to everyone and say, hey, who wants to do 00:14:39.905 --> 00:14:45.676 - water? Because that would be to a quorum of the body about commission business. But you could say, I 00:14:45.676 --> 00:14:48.990 - would like to talk about creating a water quality report. 00:14:49.442 --> 00:14:55.616 - If you're interested in joining me, we can schedule something. We can talk about that. We can talk about 00:14:55.616 --> 00:15:01.848 - schedule and administrative things by email as a forum. We'll just have to be careful about how we phrase 00:15:01.848 --> 00:15:07.963 - that. Yeah. Yeah. It's been really, really, really intentional, but we're not so exceptional. The other 00:15:07.963 --> 00:15:14.430 - thing that's great, as I see it, is that if this somehow breaks our ability to function in an unforeseen way, 00:15:14.914 --> 00:15:20.993 - We're going to the next meeting. Yeah, that's better. Right. You do another amendment. Last year, we 00:15:20.993 --> 00:15:27.433 - were working really strongly on it. Again, with all apologies, especially to the new members. I am looking 00:15:27.433 --> 00:15:33.452 - forward to this commission being less legal and more environmental, but I think that this is one of 00:15:33.452 --> 00:15:39.711 - the big steps in that direction to make. I think it was next year, all in groups first. Yeah, it sounds 00:15:39.711 --> 00:15:43.262 - like they were going to remove them all and then you could 00:15:43.970 --> 00:15:50.490 - could shoot for having them again or just be on pending approval. The department then is okay with this. 00:15:50.490 --> 00:15:56.823 - That was the understanding because I could also see a situation where what we're effectively doing is 00:15:56.823 --> 00:16:03.033 - creating these working groups that are really working groups and like somebody could just say, hey, 00:16:03.033 --> 00:16:09.615 - you're kind of business anyway. But if they've approved that, then that's fine by me. They're not working 00:16:09.615 --> 00:16:13.278 - groups. They're informal gatherings of like-minded people. 00:16:13.378 --> 00:16:21.747 - on a topic that we'll all see to talk about. This has been a year of learning, very focused attention 00:16:21.747 --> 00:16:30.361 - to what is legal, what language we can use, how we can do, it's been very, very, very attentive to that. 00:16:30.361 --> 00:16:38.566 - So I think the goal of this is to figure out what are ways that we can use what we've learned about 00:16:38.566 --> 00:16:42.750 - the process that we have to function in a way that 00:16:43.458 --> 00:16:49.069 - views this towards the both of the houses of commission in line with what other commissions and boards 00:16:49.069 --> 00:16:54.734 - are doing that is perfectly legal. And then it's also being aware of changes that are still coming down 00:16:54.734 --> 00:17:00.182 - the road. So it is- Yeah, I proposed this directly to legal, or I mean, I sent it to Rachel and she 00:17:00.182 --> 00:17:05.629 - passed it back and forth for me and I got an affirmative answer. And then I don't think it was last 00:17:05.629 --> 00:17:11.240 - month, but the previous month. So while Tater was here for us, I read a lot of the question and answer 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.310 - and he suggested nothing had changed. 00:17:13.538 --> 00:17:23.607 - So I have confidence that this is about the word. I mean, enthusiastic, yes. Any other thoughts that 00:17:23.607 --> 00:17:33.975 - people want to share before we move on to the next item? All right. Well then, before we move on, since 00:17:33.975 --> 00:17:39.358 - Adam isn't here, do we have a secretary taking notes? 00:17:40.514 --> 00:17:46.280 - Can you even imagine that? We do not. Do we have a volunteer who would like to be the one responsible 00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:51.932 - for having notes that we share at the end? You can also watch the recording to make sure your notes 00:17:51.932 --> 00:17:57.641 - are reflective of this conversation. It's good to say in the times that I've done that, I've done it 00:17:57.641 --> 00:18:03.294 - by re-watching the meeting and taking notes. We just need to be involved here. I can do it. When do 00:18:03.294 --> 00:18:09.342 - you read the notes? By 10 days before the next meeting. Earlier and better, but based on the next meeting. 00:18:09.570 --> 00:18:16.412 - I mean, obviously you can see on the packet what the minutes look like. So the process would be, I send 00:18:16.412 --> 00:18:23.123 - the skeleton minutes to our office manager and she will reach out to you and you can supplement those 00:18:23.123 --> 00:18:30.096 - minutes with other discussions. Yeah, I agree with that. Awesome. Thank you for bringing that up, Rachel. 00:18:30.096 --> 00:18:37.662 - Thank you, Carl, for doing that. Speaking of Carl, we have a tree commission application where you serve as the EC 00:18:37.794 --> 00:18:45.352 - seat. So I know that there was a lively exchange last month about what that might look like. And so, 00:18:45.352 --> 00:18:53.359 - yeah, this is on the agenda because we need to vote to decide anybody who's going to sit in this position. 00:18:53.359 --> 00:19:01.217 - And you can all see that, actually, Farah's application is up here. So for discussion amongst the group, 00:19:01.217 --> 00:19:04.734 - in the past, the person that we were voting on 00:19:05.538 --> 00:19:12.121 - chose to leave. I don't think we asked them to leave. I think it was like, you can leave if you want, 00:19:12.121 --> 00:19:18.576 - but you don't have to because this is all public and recorded anyway. But so I'm just repeating the 00:19:18.576 --> 00:19:25.482 - same thing. Yeah. Even if that's what we want to do. I just have a point of clarification. Is the previous 00:19:25.482 --> 00:19:32.130 - applicant still interested in serving on the tree commission? No. No. About the tree commission, she's 00:19:32.130 --> 00:19:35.486 - not applying to the environmental commission. Okay. 00:19:35.746 --> 00:19:42.901 - There's no clear whether she was asking to draw up her application for the environmental commission 00:19:42.901 --> 00:19:50.199 - seat. I don't think she's interested in being a quantifier in the environmental commission. Let's get 00:19:50.199 --> 00:19:57.354 - to you, Carl. Would you guys prefer to leave? You're welcome to stay. You would need to be here for 00:19:57.354 --> 00:20:04.653 - the vote, but you're welcome to abstain or vote yes or no. I will abstain. No. I'm going to quit. I'm 00:20:04.653 --> 00:20:05.726 - going to quit. 00:20:05.826 --> 00:20:17.355 - Any talking points that people would like to work through? Does everyone already know this? I can't 00:20:17.355 --> 00:20:28.883 - see it for everyone, but I have. You want to summarize it for anyone who has a pie? Yeah. One of my 00:20:28.883 --> 00:20:34.302 - goals in Surveillance Commission, which I hope 00:20:34.498 --> 00:20:49.154 - And I think the tree commission is a great way to do that. Um, I actually like, I'm an environmentalist 00:20:49.154 --> 00:20:52.254 - as a, as all you are. 00:20:53.154 --> 00:20:59.807 - I would love to be a part of the city's strategy and implementation for putting trees around Wilmington. 00:20:59.807 --> 00:21:06.587 - And I would have a very ambitious goal of sticking with Hatchville after the second day shift development, 00:21:06.587 --> 00:21:12.987 - like just, you know, putting trees everywhere in Wilmington. And I think that we really need to be a 00:21:12.987 --> 00:21:19.006 - part of that. So, and I'm happy to kind of communicate that to you guys. We'd be delighted to. 00:21:19.362 --> 00:21:27.890 - I can make the time, that's a big plus. I'm not talking about the best reason. In my own life, I don't 00:21:27.890 --> 00:21:36.583 - have an education in horticulture or trees, but I know some things about trees, I know some things about 00:21:36.583 --> 00:21:44.863 - landscaping, and more importantly, I think I'm willing to learn more about it as well. That's how I 00:21:44.863 --> 00:21:46.270 - might be listed. 00:21:48.802 --> 00:21:56.254 - Any discussion points with those? What's your favorite tune? That's a hard one. If you have to point 00:21:56.254 --> 00:22:03.780 - me based on that, it's going to be tough. I really like droplets, water droplets. It's a native tree. 00:22:03.780 --> 00:22:11.158 - They're pretty on campus. I love the color of the flowers. That would be my pick. Yeah, twist of an 00:22:11.158 --> 00:22:18.462 - arrow. Well, one thing that I, one reason that I have had the idea of having a commissioner as our 00:22:18.690 --> 00:22:22.955 - seat on the Tree Commission is because for years and years and years, we're always saying, how do we 00:22:22.955 --> 00:22:27.305 - collaborate better with other boards and commissions? And obviously we keep really busy. There's a lot 00:22:27.305 --> 00:22:31.654 - going on. Communication is difficult, all that. But I do really appreciate your motivation for helping 00:22:31.654 --> 00:22:35.877 - bridge those conversations and go onto the Tree Commission and being able to say, this is one thing 00:22:35.877 --> 00:22:40.100 - that the EC has been talking about lately. I want to share it with you all. And also coming down to 00:22:40.100 --> 00:22:44.407 - saying, this is something I'm hearing from the Tree Commission. I really like the idea of being eager 00:22:44.407 --> 00:22:46.814 - to make those connections and see what can go with them. 00:22:47.042 --> 00:22:53.062 - And that's the end of this section. I also want to bring what we're doing here to other commissions. 00:22:53.062 --> 00:22:58.546 - I think there's a lot of lost opportunity when when commissions don't work together or they 00:22:58.546 --> 00:23:05.043 - work independently. Um, but anyway. Yeah, I was gonna say to me, this this seat. Is it about qualifications? 00:23:05.043 --> 00:23:11.420 - Anyone who cares enough to be on the EC that wanted this seat are in support. So I support your nomination 00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:16.606 - in this one. I appreciate being able to make those meetings and your desire to attend. 00:23:18.658 --> 00:23:31.267 - Any other thoughts or comments from folks? Well, it is a voting item, so we'll not move that we will 00:23:31.267 --> 00:23:45.374 - point Carl Geiser to our treat commission seat. Oh, nice, Michelle. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Abstain. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:23:45.602 --> 00:24:13.022 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:24:13.698 --> 00:24:20.489 - I think, Matt, you emailed me about just getting a clearer answer as to whether public comment and public 00:24:20.489 --> 00:24:26.896 - positions have to be approved by Office of the Mayor to things like VCA, Common Council, as well as 00:24:26.896 --> 00:24:33.366 - external sources to the State of the Union. The answer is yes, they have to be approved. So a letter 00:24:33.366 --> 00:24:40.670 - to the VCA, for example, would need to be approved by Office of the Mayor. Then ECPC memos or something separate? 00:24:41.186 --> 00:24:47.500 - Well, the ECPC memo gets approved by the Environmental Commission, right? The ECPC memo gets approved 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:53.690 - by the Environmental Commission. Yeah. So then that would be sent to BZA, but that would need to be 00:24:53.690 --> 00:25:00.067 - sent to BZA formally to be included in the BZA packet. It would have to be approved by opposite of the 00:25:00.067 --> 00:25:06.814 - mayor. Does that change our timeline for things? Yeah, makes it tighter. Whenever I'm talking, I talked with 00:25:07.266 --> 00:25:13.123 - The development services manager, Eric, we looked about it pretty informally yesterday, just because 00:25:13.123 --> 00:25:18.922 - I wanted to see what everyone's thoughts were about it before I spent too much of his time, is that 00:25:18.922 --> 00:25:24.896 - we get these bigger developments that have these environmental implications. Usually it takes a couple 00:25:24.896 --> 00:25:30.753 - months to get everything sorted out. Usually, you know, it's not, we receive something and then it's 00:25:30.753 --> 00:25:36.958 - getting approved to the first EZ8 goes to. Usually it's continued or we're working on it for a little bit. 00:25:37.506 --> 00:25:45.717 - I think it's the opportunity to, ECPC might not see the finalized plan, but something like 4503 North 00:25:45.717 --> 00:25:54.088 - Rogers, for example, I think I've sent it to ECPC several times at this point. So it would just be part 00:25:54.088 --> 00:26:02.218 - of the conversation early on. And so we would just need that discussion to be had, I guess, early on 00:26:02.218 --> 00:26:05.438 - so that we can work with the developer. 00:26:05.634 --> 00:26:16.783 - as we move forward, you can still send informal thoughts to me, but a formal letter would have to be 00:26:16.783 --> 00:26:27.711 - proof-of-signature. Does this also probably send our thoughts to council? Yes. Did in the informal 00:26:27.711 --> 00:26:32.126 - conversation, is there a justification? 00:26:32.226 --> 00:26:38.408 - for why even internally, I mean, because when Taylor was here with us the other month, he made it very 00:26:38.408 --> 00:26:44.589 - clear that his reading of the test was that within cities, we're fine. And for external stuff, whether 00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:50.591 - that was the state house or federally or state. He was just with a developed sort of standard about 00:26:50.591 --> 00:26:56.653 - timeline. The response from legal was the department attorneys are in a Dina Casamini, who's came to 00:26:56.653 --> 00:27:01.694 - the meeting before, as well as Dana Kerr. And I don't think you all have that data. 00:27:01.986 --> 00:27:10.133 - that Dana and Nadina agreed that from a conservative viewpoint, the EC should obtain approvals including 00:27:10.133 --> 00:27:17.969 - mayoral approval for any letter they want to send to PCA. I think that would apply to others. Sorry, 00:27:17.969 --> 00:27:25.961 - Carrie. I don't know, the last time that we did not get approval from the Office of the Mayor, if that 00:27:25.961 --> 00:27:29.918 - occurred, do we get the edits that are required to 00:27:30.082 --> 00:27:35.988 - make it something we could, like, is it something where we're able to adjust it and resubmit it, or 00:27:35.988 --> 00:27:42.012 - is this something where it's like, my fear is that we're gonna hear, I'm not interested in supporting 00:27:42.012 --> 00:27:48.213 - this letter to the BCA, and that the ECPC is going to deal with it. Right. The deadline for the packet's 00:27:48.213 --> 00:27:54.237 - the deadline for the packet for something like BCA or Plan Commission. So as far as like an extension 00:27:54.237 --> 00:27:58.430 - of like being included, I guess we're gonna be included in the packet, 00:27:58.658 --> 00:28:10.095 - That would be no. I know that there was issues like with the February council meeting. If you all want 00:28:10.095 --> 00:28:21.421 - to speak at a board of zoning if it was meeting, there's opportunity to run outside. So I did express 00:28:21.421 --> 00:28:28.638 - that. They acknowledged that. The advice is to work at the time. 00:28:28.898 --> 00:28:35.425 - If we submit something to the Office of the Mayor and it comes back, will we, do we get context why 00:28:35.425 --> 00:28:42.082 - it's not approved? No idea, just it's a brand new, and I would still be your liaison, so you would be 00:28:42.082 --> 00:28:48.674 - sending it to me. I would also, my vision, I would let Planning Development Services know that, hey, 00:28:48.674 --> 00:28:55.201 - we're going through this process, we're waiting on mayoral approval. What the understanding like, I 00:28:55.201 --> 00:28:58.334 - know the packet has to go out when it goes out. 00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:08.164 - that I think just for them to know to expect something would be helpful. Yeah, I know the February council 00:29:08.164 --> 00:29:15.974 - meeting was the exception of the rule. There was remissness that that one got pushed to there. And that 00:29:15.974 --> 00:29:23.633 - it was made abundantly clear that the best time for us to be involved is at these earlier stages. But 00:29:23.633 --> 00:29:29.790 - now this will make it harder to be involved at this step that we were told we had 00:29:30.402 --> 00:29:39.772 - to get involved at. I also find it to be very empowering as a commission. I watch Bloomington politics 00:29:39.772 --> 00:29:49.050 - very closely and I repeatedly see the administration say that they want constituents to join and help 00:29:49.050 --> 00:29:58.238 - out and board some commissions to make your voice heard and these things. And so I have all sorts of 00:29:58.238 --> 00:29:59.966 - feelings about the 00:30:01.186 --> 00:30:11.263 - their decision to be able to veto literally anything, even internally. So on the Bloomington website, 00:30:11.263 --> 00:30:21.143 - it says that the Environmental Commission serves as a voluntary advisory board composed of citizens 00:30:21.143 --> 00:30:30.430 - appointed by a mayor in common council. So why are we, why is the mayor viewing our documents 00:30:30.626 --> 00:30:37.741 - Yeah, that's totally fair question. From my understanding, commissions are under the executive branch. 00:30:37.741 --> 00:30:44.580 - Can you explain that to me a little bit? Because in the VMC, permissions are a subsection heading. 00:30:44.580 --> 00:30:51.902 - I mean, can you tell me where that authority is survived that we're under control right now? That's just. 00:30:52.002 --> 00:30:58.364 - The legalist said that commissions are underneath. My issue is that I'm appointed by council. I gave 00:30:58.364 --> 00:31:04.726 - my authority from council. I'm accountable to council. But as you describe it here, I can't actually 00:31:04.726 --> 00:31:11.277 - function in a way that represents council's desire because I can be blocked by the office of the mayor. 00:31:11.277 --> 00:31:16.190 - I find that very problematic. It's neither here nor there, but at the moment. 00:31:16.354 --> 00:31:23.608 - twice as many of us were appointed by council as by the office of the mayor. While nested under the 00:31:23.608 --> 00:31:30.862 - mayoral administration, I suppose, I'm sure they will be able to provide the how and the where that 00:31:30.862 --> 00:31:38.261 - lets us know that at the moment, our current makeup is less executive. I don't know how the office of 00:31:38.261 --> 00:31:44.862 - the mayor is going to be reviewing this, if it's just for, if they're reviewing the actual 00:31:45.154 --> 00:31:50.995 - assessment constant and whether that is supportive of an opinion or whether they're just approving something 00:31:50.995 --> 00:31:56.783 - to ensure that it doesn't make the city be shut in a poor fight or something. So I think there's a spectrum 00:31:56.783 --> 00:32:02.141 - of how they could review something. I have not received guidance on how they're going to review it. 00:32:02.141 --> 00:32:07.715 - At this point, we have not had anything not approved. We've had to go through the opposite of the mayor 00:32:07.715 --> 00:32:13.502 - for communication things for six months, something like that. And we've not, as far as I know, had anything 00:32:13.890 --> 00:32:19.113 - I think there might be a different scheme that would be approving it. I'm not entirely sure. The people 00:32:19.113 --> 00:32:24.287 - who are approving it, things like for EPCOS, for example, that's the communication scheme. He does the 00:32:24.287 --> 00:32:29.309 - press releases, kind of like what does, like not necessarily what design, but the city branding. So 00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:34.482 - I'm not sure if this would be a different scheme or not. So we don't know who's reviewing it. It could 00:32:34.482 --> 00:32:39.555 - be opposite in there yet. I believe you're right that nothing we've done so far would have, like has 00:32:39.555 --> 00:32:43.774 - been shut down. But I also strongly suspect given the way February played out that, 00:32:43.970 --> 00:32:48.816 - I don't know that I tried to read before counseling and I wouldn't have made it. And I think that that 00:32:48.816 --> 00:32:53.567 - would be some, I mean, we can talk about this as long as we all want to, but I think that at the end 00:32:53.567 --> 00:32:58.319 - of the day, we have yet to see what's going to happen. And I think that as soon as something happens 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:03.117 - that feels like we are being cycled, I think there is a conversation we can have about exactly how to 00:33:03.117 --> 00:33:07.916 - deal with that and maybe get visibility to that or navigate that in a way that feels effective for us 00:33:07.916 --> 00:33:09.374 - as a group. I think right now, 00:33:09.698 --> 00:33:16.481 - We don't have any answers to almost any of the questions. So it is a little bit. Yeah, we shouldn't 00:33:16.481 --> 00:33:23.265 - be panicking now. My concern is I think everybody in the room can see where the issue lies and that 00:33:23.265 --> 00:33:30.048 - if the mayor does not agree with the recommendation, but some of the city's action that has come to 00:33:30.048 --> 00:33:36.967 - us, he can just block it. Does the city council give any feedback on this? It would be interesting to 00:33:36.967 --> 00:33:39.070 - know how they feel about this. 00:33:39.266 --> 00:33:48.376 - Yeah, so I don't meet with the council attorneys. I meet with the city corporation council. So I don't 00:33:48.376 --> 00:33:57.486 - know how council people would feel about this and I don't have that kind of communication with council 00:33:57.486 --> 00:34:05.534 - members who talked about that since I'm under the executive branch. I mean, it's in there. 00:34:07.202 --> 00:34:13.475 - Looking down on road, there's therefore problematic implications of things, were they to go in a certain 00:34:13.475 --> 00:34:19.449 - direction. It's hard because I think it's important that we are prepared for whatever we encounter. 00:34:19.449 --> 00:34:25.364 - And my hope is that we continue to be supported and empowered by those that put us in these seats. 00:34:25.364 --> 00:34:30.800 - But yeah, there's a lot we don't know. And I don't know if this will be an issue with this 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.998 - mayoral administration, but all this changes, you know, it's the same issue with other 00:34:36.674 --> 00:34:43.128 - power structures in the city, you know, the flop debacle is one of them, you know, the administration 00:34:43.128 --> 00:34:49.518 - might be fine now, but that might not always be the case. We should have our system set up in such a 00:34:49.518 --> 00:34:56.098 - way that there should be no chance for abuse. You know, that's kind of the whole point of the open door 00:34:56.098 --> 00:35:02.678 - off. I can go on. But. Other thoughts from commissioners who haven't had a chance to share you? I think 00:35:02.678 --> 00:35:04.766 - it would be interesting to know. 00:35:05.154 --> 00:35:13.775 - get feedback from the city council on this, if they're, if this is happening with other commissions. 00:35:13.775 --> 00:35:22.651 - Yeah. Do other commissions have to route their communications through the governor or through the mayor 00:35:22.651 --> 00:35:31.699 - now? From my understanding, city legal is reviewing law commission bylaws, make them more cohesive across 00:35:31.699 --> 00:35:34.430 - the board, so. The, so this is, 00:35:34.754 --> 00:35:41.824 - This update was kind of in response to, I assume, some of the conversation about MOs being approved 00:35:41.824 --> 00:35:49.248 - or voted on. Is that what the origin? We have a voting item on the list, so I'd be open to transitioning 00:35:49.248 --> 00:35:56.389 - into the switch of this topic. Yeah. I guess I'd just like to put on record, I understand that legal 00:35:56.389 --> 00:36:03.742 - has to approve things, and we're not always going to agree. But my general displeasure that we can vote 00:36:03.874 --> 00:36:10.017 - as a body to change something in our handbook and then have it just not stick because at the end of 00:36:10.017 --> 00:36:16.344 - the day, it isn't our decision. We had a representative of legal sitting here and tell us the way that 00:36:16.344 --> 00:36:22.487 - he understood this text in the handbook. And we're now learning that actually legal as a whole does 00:36:22.487 --> 00:36:28.753 - not see it that way. Again, any position from the commission as a whole, regardless of audience, must 00:36:28.753 --> 00:36:32.254 - be voted on and approved by a majority of the commission 00:36:32.546 --> 00:36:41.468 - and the office of the mayor was the sentence that had me bring this back to our agenda. Given what we 00:36:41.468 --> 00:36:50.389 - had been told the previous month, I said, hey, that sign, it's way near the end. It's fine with me if 00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:59.486 - the intent of the language is just for external stuff. Let's just make the language reflect the intent. 00:37:00.002 --> 00:37:12.360 - you know, no representative needed at the meeting. We can just propose the change. But now that I've 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:24.595 - learned that that isn't actually possible, I suppose I will use the sorting item on something else. 00:37:24.595 --> 00:37:28.510 - Was there also talk about doing 00:37:29.122 --> 00:37:36.057 - the ECPC memo will be approved. Does that need to be discussed as far as I know about this? I think 00:37:36.057 --> 00:37:43.061 - it's the language in the handbook should already be sufficient. We got informed last time that there 00:37:43.061 --> 00:37:49.996 - would be no reason that we couldn't. We didn't need to change everything. At this point, since this 00:37:49.996 --> 00:37:56.931 - language is going to change and the other language doesn't need to be changed, I'm not exactly sure 00:37:56.931 --> 00:37:58.526 - how much working group 00:37:59.170 --> 00:38:07.597 - I think it's pretty specific, but I don't know if it names the working groups and if there's any benefit 00:38:07.597 --> 00:38:15.622 - to saying specifically, we only have one working group for now. It's about the names of the working 00:38:15.622 --> 00:38:22.926 - group. I think we voted on whatever the response at the time. I think some were just like, 00:38:22.926 --> 00:38:28.062 - not with anymore. I don't see anything that's a problem so far. 00:38:32.354 --> 00:38:42.702 - They might be such as eco-heroes. Yeah, seeing no language that I disagree with, I'm going to move to 00:38:42.702 --> 00:38:53.049 - formally dissolve all working groups except for ECPC. I guess I'll have the language clear. How would 00:38:53.049 --> 00:39:02.078 - you like the language, I guess? I don't actually see why any of it in the handbook would 00:39:02.178 --> 00:39:11.158 - Need to be changed to exist for any future working group that appears like we can always, since we have 00:39:11.158 --> 00:39:20.139 - the names taken off in the past, we can always add and remove as we see fit, but the rules seem totally 00:39:20.139 --> 00:39:29.119 - fine as written. Okay, so it's less of a handbook movement and more of a. So, yeah, I got my idea about 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.710 - the agenda and then about to. 00:39:32.418 --> 00:39:49.491 - Do that is the salvation. Yeah. Okay, so we need to. And I move to amend the agenda to add. As a voting 00:39:49.491 --> 00:39:56.222 - item, uh, dissolving the working groups. 00:39:59.266 --> 00:40:11.136 - neither voice note before someone can we save the other option. Sorry, I'm. No, it's okay. You can. 00:40:11.136 --> 00:40:23.006 - I'm definitely not trying to arrest you. I know. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. Just a master. Yes. 00:40:23.714 --> 00:40:32.546 - Kerry Albright. Yes. Patty Brown. Yes. Matt Baldy. Yes. Adam Budifer. Yes. Motion passes. Great. So 00:40:32.546 --> 00:40:41.379 - we're ready to vote on if we want to dissolve the working groups now that we have approved now that 00:40:41.379 --> 00:40:51.006 - it's on the agenda. I move that we dissolve the working groups with the exception of ECPC. Oh, just in case. 00:40:52.354 --> 00:40:59.301 - Mitchell Owens. Yes. Paul Weiser. Yes. Just semester. Yes. Harriet Albright. Yes. Heidi Brown. Yes. 00:40:59.301 --> 00:41:06.388 - Matt Falby. Yes. Adam Budethorpe. Shannon Guy. Yes. Ocean Passes. Great. Good job. So moving forward, 00:41:06.388 --> 00:41:13.335 - we will not use the words working groups, subcommittees, anything formal. We will talk about topics 00:41:13.335 --> 00:41:14.238 - of interest. 00:41:15.074 --> 00:41:21.854 - to the EC, which Rachel, just for the newer folks, Rachel is the one that is reviewing all these different 00:41:21.854 --> 00:41:28.254 - development proposals and just the ECPC's conversation points come from Rachel. So that would be not 00:41:28.254 --> 00:41:34.591 - formally announced as it's relevant. But for any other topic that you want to discuss, feel free to 00:41:34.591 --> 00:41:41.054 - throw it out to the group in our meetings. If you want to talk about it in the meeting on the agenda, 00:41:41.054 --> 00:41:44.286 - please make sure to reach out to Rachel before our 00:41:44.386 --> 00:41:51.619 - And then if you want to get people together to chit chat, you can send out just an email to see if people 00:41:51.619 --> 00:41:58.785 - would like to gather. And you can schedule that way. But again, the forum laws still apply to what we're 00:41:58.785 --> 00:42:05.950 - sending electronically to a group of five or more, if that anything stops them to. Great. Wonderful. OK. 00:42:06.946 --> 00:42:15.372 - Before we move on to the next item of business, I want to thank everyone for coming along on that journey. 00:42:15.372 --> 00:42:22.932 - Rachel Thornton for writing it. Hopefully most of our legal and handbook work is now behind us. 00:42:22.932 --> 00:42:31.201 - I do have one, and this might have to get redirected to a lawyer, but while we're still on the handbook. 00:42:31.201 --> 00:42:33.406 - I know this applies to like 00:42:33.922 --> 00:42:40.372 - PC memos and stuff like that. No, this also apply to like, if somebody from the community comes in as 00:42:40.372 --> 00:42:47.012 - like, would you as a commission support this thing going on or like, uh, because comes in as like, would 00:42:47.012 --> 00:42:53.399 - you sign in, sign on this with us or any of those kinds of like things where we're asked to give our 00:42:53.399 --> 00:43:00.038 - voices support. Uh, does the mayor have to approve that? Signing on the existing thing might not because 00:43:00.038 --> 00:43:03.390 - that thing would already have to have been approved. 00:43:03.714 --> 00:43:10.877 - from the other commission. I suspect everything else. When Haskell comes in and says, I'm trying to 00:43:10.877 --> 00:43:18.112 - get a grant for more trees, we'd have to make sure the city is okay with us approving of Haskell. If 00:43:18.112 --> 00:43:25.418 - it's considered a public comment, there is a section in here that they also added about receiving the 00:43:25.418 --> 00:43:26.206 - food bill. 00:43:29.410 --> 00:43:35.774 - If there are questions about that, please send them at a legal meeting on Thursdays. So I think I was 00:43:35.774 --> 00:43:42.075 - asked that. Thursdays are the days to get the legal questions. And thank you, Rachel, in advance for 00:43:42.075 --> 00:43:48.314 - all of the emails. Great. Oh, my friends, I think we are on to topic B on our whole business, which 00:43:48.314 --> 00:43:54.677 - means we are just buzzing along. And I swear our meetings are filled with all sorts of things besides 00:43:54.677 --> 00:43:59.294 - legal details. But I really appreciate everyone's patience as we navigate 00:43:59.746 --> 00:44:05.547 - changes to how we operate. The M&B is the Bloomington Commission on Sustainability and Resilience's 00:44:05.547 --> 00:44:11.464 - capstone update. So, okay, we're gonna get a little bit more into like the nitty gritty of what we're 00:44:11.464 --> 00:44:17.440 - allowed to do and not allowed to do, but I think that the idea is to invite folks, but also to confirm 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:23.299 - we're not gonna have something of a honest group. Yes, so if we do have a forum, which I guess there 00:44:23.299 --> 00:44:28.926 - are no more working groups except for easy to see. So if we do reach a forum, then they have to, 00:44:29.122 --> 00:44:35.056 - jointly notice it. And if they jointly notice it, I would appreciate if everybody actually came because 00:44:35.056 --> 00:44:40.876 - I don't know what the cancellation process for a joint meeting is like. I don't want to put the whole 00:44:40.876 --> 00:44:46.696 - meeting at risk if one person doesn't come. So Matt, I know you said you were coming. Heidi, you were 00:44:46.696 --> 00:44:52.459 - kind of toying around whether you wanted to come. I haven't heard from anybody else. I can confirm I 00:44:52.459 --> 00:44:56.510 - will not be in attendance for that. Yeah, that would encourage anyone. 00:44:56.834 --> 00:45:02.756 - who's interested in it to attend. I mean, like, I don't think publicly noticing is a burden, and we 00:45:02.756 --> 00:45:08.678 - wouldn't be conducting any commission business just by being there anyway. And even if we had tried 00:45:08.678 --> 00:45:14.836 - to, it obviously has to be approved by the commission as a whole anyway. So this is just learning about 00:45:14.836 --> 00:45:21.172 - the work that the Capstone students did, trying to figure out the viability of, like, a renewable electric 00:45:21.172 --> 00:45:26.206 - utility for Wilmington. So just be watching the presentation. That's to stay, right? 00:45:27.426 --> 00:45:45.996 - Yeah, it should be. Okay. So Matt is the only one attending. We will not point you notice, but that 00:45:45.996 --> 00:45:56.766 - changes is on now. Thank you. All right. Well, not to be. 00:45:56.994 --> 00:46:03.377 - updates at this specific naming convention, and maybe just we'll talk about themes and topics that are 00:46:03.377 --> 00:46:10.069 - of interest to the group in the future. But since we're in this position, the biodiversity working group... 00:46:10.069 --> 00:46:16.389 - Biodiversity working group did not meet in the last month, though one of our major initiatives at the 00:46:16.389 --> 00:46:22.586 - moment, the habitat connectivity plan, did get some attention at the garden fair this last weekend, 00:46:22.586 --> 00:46:26.366 - and so I found that heartening. But no, no updates. Awesome. 00:46:26.722 --> 00:46:32.756 - Committee is meeting, I think, in a couple weeks. They met, then they meet once a quarter, or we meet 00:46:32.756 --> 00:46:38.909 - once a quarter. There are two of us that represent the EC on the City Committee. And there are a couple 00:46:38.909 --> 00:46:44.885 - of events that are happening, I think, primarily in June. There's going to be a screening of a film. 00:46:44.885 --> 00:46:50.978 - There's going to be, I think, a couple different events that they're hoping to kind of host with, that 00:46:50.978 --> 00:46:54.942 - are using a lot of resources that we have in the services society. 00:46:55.266 --> 00:47:04.728 - Yeah, there'll be more to come on that. But yeah, it's just nicely plotting along and there's a bunch 00:47:04.728 --> 00:47:14.747 - of new members from the hub and stuff like that. So good representation of the city and community. Anything 00:47:14.747 --> 00:47:22.910 - else about our city? ECO heroes. Well, the ECO heroes, our contest is going to have its 00:47:23.266 --> 00:47:30.291 - Pointing event on Saturday. Thank you for those of you who are able to come and be part of it. Tabling 00:47:30.291 --> 00:47:37.317 - or helping with the events. There's a lot of stuff that we could talk about, but this is we're gaining 00:47:37.317 --> 00:47:44.206 - momentum in our meeting. So I will just say I have a couple quick questions about the. Going to do a 00:47:44.206 --> 00:47:51.094 - little demo for you, but OK. The logistics of things do we? Is there anybody from the city that will 00:47:51.094 --> 00:47:52.254 - be representing? 00:47:53.026 --> 00:48:02.202 - some form of official capacity that will be shaking hands. Personally, I've reached out to Office of 00:48:02.202 --> 00:48:12.106 - the Mayor, Bernie's staff. I've reached out to a couple of council members. You're going to be our celebrity 00:48:12.106 --> 00:48:21.918 - then. I feel like I'm really going to have to bring the game, but still. There is a photographer. So in the 00:48:22.210 --> 00:48:30.081 - When I sent out an email to get a schedule down, and I think after kind of just figuring out what we 00:48:30.081 --> 00:48:37.952 - can do, it looks like if we can have, I think what will happen is we'll have the event and we'll get 00:48:37.952 --> 00:48:45.979 - the EC table set up. We'll have two tables with all the different winners on them and the entire event 00:48:45.979 --> 00:48:47.070 - start button. 00:48:47.234 --> 00:48:53.354 - or before we start to get ready for the Eco Hero ceremony. It's like a birthday event, so there's lots 00:48:53.354 --> 00:48:59.415 - of people, lots of things going on. And then in Wacaw, we'll kind of start encouraging the winners to 00:48:59.415 --> 00:49:05.595 - get nearer the stages. On the 15th, I'm gonna go up there and just say thanks to the city and the folks 00:49:05.595 --> 00:49:11.775 - who participated and our sponsors, the donors, and really excited to announce the winners and recognize 00:49:11.775 --> 00:49:17.182 - their contributions with a certificate and a little gift bag, or prize bag. At that point, 00:49:17.634 --> 00:49:24.127 - I would love, Matt, if you could come up to the podium and read the list of the different winners. And 00:49:24.127 --> 00:49:30.683 - then I think Heidi, you have volunteered to hand out the gift and certificates. That's the one for you? 00:49:30.683 --> 00:49:36.987 - OK. And now we all organize. I'm going to have to make things as simple as possible as far as where 00:49:36.987 --> 00:49:43.795 - things are so you get the right person to read the thing. And then I still want to get them the certificate 00:49:43.795 --> 00:49:47.262 - in the back. I think what we'll do is, great question. 00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:52.918 - You read the name, they walk over, I shake their hand, and I'm so happy with it. Actually, 00:49:52.918 --> 00:49:58.823 - you know what? Yeah, that's probably the best way to do it. And then they'll walk over to you and get 00:49:58.823 --> 00:50:04.670 - their stuff. And then they take their stuff away. I think it's, I, it's- Can I take a picture? Yeah, 00:50:04.670 --> 00:50:10.633 - a picture is typically with, like, the shaky hands, but I feel like having, like, your stuff with you, 00:50:10.633 --> 00:50:16.596 - like, all of a sudden makes it, like, a lot, a lot to manage. We can also give them a certificate when 00:50:16.596 --> 00:50:17.406 - we name them. 00:50:19.074 --> 00:50:25.894 - Then it's shaking out and they get a prize. What about names? I think that makes sense. So they can 00:50:25.894 --> 00:50:33.328 - hold the shirt. So they can get during the picture. Yeah. Excuse me, I'm afraid of mispronouncing everyone's 00:50:33.328 --> 00:50:40.353 - names, but I'll do my best. Okay. So Matt, do you have a certificate? When do they get the prize? From 00:50:40.353 --> 00:50:46.014 - whom do they get the prize? I'm handing it out. I'm reading it in, handing it out. 00:50:46.178 --> 00:50:53.140 - They're taking a picture with you and then they're hitting the press. I love it. This is why we need 00:50:53.140 --> 00:51:00.171 - to talk about this. Great. Thank you. Is that 1.15? 1.15 is when I will start talking. If you want to 00:51:00.171 --> 00:51:07.064 - talk to people hoping to have them later. There are two classrooms that are being recognized. There 00:51:07.064 --> 00:51:14.095 - may or may not be kids from those classrooms. Matt, I'll encourage you to just take your time because 00:51:14.095 --> 00:51:16.094 - it's fine if we need to just 00:51:16.194 --> 00:51:25.068 - have a second for folks to shuffle around. And then there'll be a photographer, but I do have Carl or 00:51:25.068 --> 00:51:34.029 - Justin being able to take photos of the winners. Rachel, do you know for sure that we'll have somebody 00:51:34.029 --> 00:51:41.598 - who's taking pictures of each of those? That's what I was told. Do you know who it is? 00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:47.805 - Either way though, when it comes to our annual report before council and stuff, it's just nice to have 00:51:47.805 --> 00:51:53.617 - photos. It's really nice to have photos. Even if there will be professional ones of the handshake moments, 00:51:53.617 --> 00:51:59.104 - still just taking some photos of the event, of the table and whatever is the win for us. Yeah, yeah, 00:51:59.104 --> 00:52:04.536 - that's totally it. That's, we're using, do you think we're using a personal phone for that or? That 00:52:04.536 --> 00:52:08.990 - might be on the path and I just email everything to Rachel and I just click that. 00:52:09.250 --> 00:52:16.630 - Okay, the photographer's name, I believe, is Lisa. I don't have her last name. No, Lisa Wilson. 00:52:16.630 --> 00:52:24.548 - Lisa Wilson. And there is on the to-do list of all the planners. It says photographers hired a general 00:52:24.548 --> 00:52:32.236 - capture the event but can go to the stage specifically to capture eco-heroes. Yes. Thank you. Okay, 00:52:32.236 --> 00:52:38.078 - great. And then after the ceremony is over, there will be continued tabling 00:52:38.338 --> 00:52:44.187 - by, so Carl will be there to set it all up and just kind of get things rolling. We have some stuff that 00:52:44.187 --> 00:52:49.810 - we can share on the table and do on the table and stuff, so that'll be available. And then Carl and 00:52:49.810 --> 00:52:55.490 - Matt will be behind the table until two o'clock. And then Justin and Heidi have offered to help from 00:52:55.490 --> 00:53:01.282 - two to like 3.30 and then whatever the time is. And I'll be there the whole day, so yeah. Anybody else 00:53:01.282 --> 00:53:05.950 - who wants to come just for fun, high five, any of us if you are more than welcome. 00:53:06.114 --> 00:53:12.964 - Check out other people's tables, too. There's a lot that happens at their day celebrations, so there 00:53:12.964 --> 00:53:19.950 - really is a lot to do. Yeah, anybody have any questions? I have a couple of updates. So the booth will 00:53:19.950 --> 00:53:26.868 - be inside, so art will not be flying away. There's still CBA on whether they're going to be using the 00:53:26.868 --> 00:53:33.990 - outdoor stage or not. It looks like it's going to be cooler, but windy, but no rain. So if I go tomorrow 00:53:33.990 --> 00:53:35.550 - before I leave, I will 00:53:35.682 --> 00:53:45.721 - then you can email Ferry just so you know if you accept. So the art tables are inside no matter what 00:53:45.721 --> 00:53:56.157 - the ECS table is also inside or? Inside. Okay. And they're adjacent to each other. Okay. Just the actual 00:53:56.157 --> 00:54:04.606 - stage and presentation of the ceremony. And then I wanted to ask when should, sorry, 00:54:05.058 --> 00:54:11.099 - uh, for increase. Um, when is our, when are the art pieces going to be brought back to City Hall? When 00:54:11.099 --> 00:54:17.139 - is the art going to be brought back? Yes, for anything not picked up at the Earth Day event. So people 00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:23.239 - can have a couple weeks to help them out. Um, I will have the tote and stuff too, so I can kind of have 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:29.221 - whatever day works for us. It can be Monday or Thursday or whatever. Okay. Uh, so, I don't know, I'll 00:54:29.221 --> 00:54:34.206 - post on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but, um, somebody else, if Monday is better for you, 00:54:34.626 --> 00:54:40.802 - we can have stuff brought in on Monday at our Labor's staff and just bring it back. Do we say in our 00:54:40.802 --> 00:54:47.101 - email when they should pick it up? I think that whenever the draft Adam sent out or sent to me, I sent 00:54:47.101 --> 00:54:52.910 - it out for Tuesday. They can start picking it up on Tuesday. So then there would be on Monday, 00:54:52.910 --> 00:54:59.147 - all day Monday, maybe Tuesday morning. OK. I'll make a note to bring it on Monday if possible. But if 00:54:59.147 --> 00:55:03.550 - nothing else, the first thing on Tuesday. Good question. Anything else? 00:55:04.194 --> 00:55:11.433 - Uh, no, that's all for me. Anything else from any of you else? Did you all get to see? Did you all judge 00:55:11.433 --> 00:55:18.533 - the stuff? It's all funny and so cute. Look at these adorable community members. Love it. I need some. 00:55:18.533 --> 00:55:25.496 - I need a little song for an option. I'm trying to find my moment. I love it. Um, Rachel, do you know 00:55:25.496 --> 00:55:30.942 - if we are allowed to play the songs? I mean, Sydney technically owns them, so. 00:55:32.514 --> 00:55:42.489 - I love the question about what happens with the ownership. I don't think the city is going to go after 00:55:42.489 --> 00:55:52.852 - any royalties. Well, thanks for everybody who's built in many different ways. It's been quite the process, 00:55:52.852 --> 00:55:57.694 - but I'm super excited to have us strap up to see. 00:55:59.266 --> 00:56:07.030 - Next thing is the PC, which I'll have a question. Oh, this process. You've already met to that district. 00:56:07.030 --> 00:56:14.499 - Yeah. Yeah. We work on basically, we got a bunch of donations and then we also have a budget that we 00:56:14.499 --> 00:56:22.189 - use to kind of supplement if there are certain age groups that aren't covered very well by like a bunch 00:56:22.189 --> 00:56:29.214 - of copyists or something like that for the school. But yeah, so we've got and we've got, yeah, 00:56:29.314 --> 00:56:35.245 - Little kiddos, we've got lots of grown-ups. We've got a nice, tighter head-printing group, so. There 00:56:35.245 --> 00:56:41.176 - are at least two people that weren't able to make it. We've had a couple people not RSVP, so if they 00:56:41.176 --> 00:56:47.107 - are unable to come and pick up those prizes, just put a post-it note or something for me to know who 00:56:47.107 --> 00:56:53.038 - to give those prizes to whenever we've got those offers. I'm not sure. Can you share with me at some 00:56:53.038 --> 00:56:58.206 - point the ones we've been making? I think I'm good. Well, I think it would be possible. 00:56:58.690 --> 00:57:05.905 - Okay, perfect. I am really eager to hear what the group wants to do. This year has been a lot of change 00:57:05.905 --> 00:57:13.189 - for us and a change in commissioners, change in processes, so many processes. We have a planning meeting 00:57:13.189 --> 00:57:20.265 - in November where we decide what we want to do for the year to come. I'd be really eager to hear what 00:57:20.265 --> 00:57:27.203 - people think would be the best use of our time next year. I think ours is like maybe 14 years in or 00:57:27.203 --> 00:57:27.966 - something. 00:57:28.194 --> 00:57:36.146 - And all the different ways that we've done it, it's looked different, you know, many of those years. 00:57:36.146 --> 00:57:44.019 - So yeah, I don't know. Do you know how many answers you've gotten over the 15 years? I mean, do you 00:57:44.019 --> 00:57:52.601 - speak to that or not? I have no idea, because I know that when COVID hit, the numbers dropped significantly. 00:57:52.601 --> 00:57:57.246 - I mean, the first few years, like 2003 or whatever it was, 00:57:57.858 --> 00:58:05.387 - No, we're in 2010, actually. But the early years, we had tons, like 50 or something like that, 00:58:05.387 --> 00:58:13.391 - like separate, separate entries. And a couple years ago, we had probably 50, like it's a lot of like 00:58:13.391 --> 00:58:21.634 - ones and things. Somewhere in the late 20 teens, I remember like two full tables of 4th to 5th graders. 00:58:21.634 --> 00:58:27.102 - Yeah. And sometimes it's, you know, a dozen, like it really depends. 00:58:27.202 --> 00:58:33.347 - I think it also depends on the outreach that goes into it. I think it depends on how we position it 00:58:33.347 --> 00:58:39.739 - to community members, to educators, to different organizations in town. I think it depends on the theme 00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:46.130 - to be totally honest, because nature at night versus, I think storm water is really important, but like 00:58:46.130 --> 00:58:52.275 - storm water, it's like people really getting signed by different things, and so. This year, we have 00:58:52.275 --> 00:58:53.566 - heard last year more 00:58:53.698 --> 00:59:00.016 - Yeah, not really interesting. Like I think that's really fun just to see how different submissions are. 00:59:00.016 --> 00:59:06.334 - I think that the average piece of it and. I think that's a big part of it and this year I think we were 00:59:06.334 --> 00:59:12.592 - really, really hard to overcome some of the possible that we had last year. We just like weren't ready 00:59:12.592 --> 00:59:18.727 - for them. So this year a little more clear, but it was very fine. There was a lot of like just split 00:59:18.727 --> 00:59:22.494 - staff turnover with me starting my position and then how much 00:59:22.882 --> 00:59:30.138 - The department, my position changed whenever they, for my predecessors, whenever I was hired, they just 00:59:30.138 --> 00:59:37.184 - threw your position. So just the amount of time allocated for something like Eco-Heroes changed. And 00:59:37.184 --> 00:59:44.161 - then the intern time was also changed. So, oh, we do have another one next year though. So, but her 00:59:44.161 --> 00:59:51.277 - kind has been focused on more department rather than environmental commission activities. So that was 00:59:51.277 --> 00:59:52.254 - a big change. 00:59:52.578 --> 01:00:00.912 - So, here's, you're very. No, but so that was a big change. I think, like, if this was, if you guys all 01:00:00.912 --> 01:00:09.004 - want to be yours next year. Working with, sorry, bring them up again. We go, they going through the 01:00:09.004 --> 01:00:16.286 - sponsor process. They really wanted to see something like by January or February even so. 01:00:16.578 --> 01:00:22.543 - just starting early in the year. And I know everyone's kind of really busy that time of year anyway, 01:00:22.543 --> 01:00:28.568 - so personal obligations. So I'd be out there though. Yeah, I think some of the changes, even like the 01:00:28.568 --> 01:00:34.710 - type of financial space you can have with the city has changed. And so we can't just ask lots of people 01:00:34.710 --> 01:00:40.971 - because there might be limits on what people can go in. Just like the little things that we either didn't 01:00:40.971 --> 01:00:44.574 - have in place, that weren't in place before, or that we just 01:00:45.570 --> 01:00:51.961 - weren't having to work through or didn't know about it or whatever. So yeah, I'm ready just to follow 01:00:51.961 --> 01:00:58.476 - in the community. Like that's it. Yeah. But again, I'm super excited. I mean, I'm excited for all these 01:00:58.476 --> 01:01:04.742 - new or newer faces to be open plan we want to do next year. Because it really is like, this is just 01:01:04.742 --> 01:01:11.195 - volunteering. So whatever you want to do, whatever you've got time for and are willing to put your own 01:01:11.195 --> 01:01:14.014 - personal time into is super exciting for me. 01:01:14.306 --> 01:01:20.071 - If it's equal here, it's awesome. If it's not, I mean, you're gonna hear what we do. Any questions? 01:01:20.071 --> 01:01:25.835 - I was wondering, well, what are the prices? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 01:01:25.835 --> 01:01:31.715 - I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm 01:01:31.715 --> 01:01:37.134 - not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 01:01:37.134 --> 01:01:41.630 - I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not 01:01:41.954 --> 01:02:00.288 - Okay. The next couple of meetings are May 7 at 1130 a.m. and May 12th at 530 p.m. I will be on the 7th, 01:02:00.288 --> 01:02:08.574 - the May 7th meeting, not the May 12th meeting. 01:02:09.186 --> 01:02:16.028 - I wanted to ask, since these memos have to be created, would there be a volunteer who, we can also do 01:02:16.028 --> 01:02:22.736 - ad hoc, whoever needs to sit, whoever is attending the meetings, is there a volunteer who generally 01:02:22.736 --> 01:02:29.511 - wants to do those memos? I'm usually helping present, so then it's hard to do both at the same time. 01:02:29.511 --> 01:02:34.206 - So are there folks who know that they'd be interested in going to the 01:02:34.594 --> 01:02:41.102 - The CCPC meeting, the one that's at 1130, that is the introduction to whatever the experiences or whatever. 01:02:41.102 --> 01:02:47.610 - And so that would be whoever wants to learn the information live, ask questions live, engage with typically 01:02:47.610 --> 01:02:53.636 - either the developer or whoever the planner is, something like that. And then the 530 one, the next 01:02:53.636 --> 01:02:59.903 - week is where we write a memo that has any, and if we want to write a memo, we can decide we don't want 01:02:59.903 --> 01:03:03.518 - to. But if we do want to write a memo, it would be where we 01:03:03.714 --> 01:03:09.971 - together ideas about what are the things that we want to articulate on behalf of the ECPC and the EC, 01:03:09.971 --> 01:03:16.166 - what are the specific things that we are suggesting or recommending, and presuming it's going to the 01:03:16.166 --> 01:03:22.362 - developer, not to, like, I think that maybe clarifying, like, who it's going to. I think it would be 01:03:22.362 --> 01:03:28.619 - the same thing, like, if you, or like the meeting you're in the day with me, it's expressing thoughts 01:03:28.619 --> 01:03:33.342 - during that meeting, like verbal thoughts, I can definitely pass that along. 01:03:33.538 --> 01:03:39.313 - the planner signed for that case manager. If you had written a letter of any kind, I guess, even if 01:03:39.313 --> 01:03:45.376 - that was passed directly to the developer, I think that's still kind of a public position. So that would 01:03:45.376 --> 01:03:51.324 - still need to be approved, I think, from the way I'm understanding it. OK. And so then if we have that 01:03:51.324 --> 01:03:57.271 - 530 meeting, it would be constructing whatever and then having to go through the process of submitting 01:03:57.271 --> 01:03:59.870 - it. So the 1130 meeting is good because it's 01:04:00.578 --> 01:04:06.552 - The goal is to get this information or recommendations and concerns to the developers so that they can 01:04:06.552 --> 01:04:12.641 - alter whatever they're doing so that we don't have to write a memo because they've already sort of fixed 01:04:12.641 --> 01:04:18.615 - it or adapted to it or accommodated it in some way. That's the dream. So the May 7th, when the meeting 01:04:18.615 --> 01:04:24.240 - is to listen to the developer talk about the site plan? But if they want to come to the meeting, 01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:29.982 - at minimum, I invite the, and the memo will be me, but I invite the planner assigned to that case. 01:04:30.178 --> 01:04:37.126 - to come present a pretty holistic concept of whatever plan is being proposed. We've had a developer 01:04:37.126 --> 01:04:44.213 - come in the past to help supplement that, and they were interested in hearing what the commission had 01:04:44.213 --> 01:04:51.231 - to say. Some developers aren't local, so it's harder for them to attend. But sometimes it's just me, 01:04:51.231 --> 01:04:58.526 - sometimes it's another staff member, sometimes it's a developer. And then you invite someone from the EC 01:04:58.690 --> 01:05:04.214 - So right now, I have on, Matt, I did see your name, or is that you? I've not heard about you. 01:05:04.214 --> 01:05:10.444 - Right now, the ECPC members are Sherry, Matt, Adam Martinez, Mitch, and Heidi. So it would be the working 01:05:10.444 --> 01:05:16.497 - group that we still have, the one working group we still have. We're not always like any other working 01:05:16.497 --> 01:05:21.963 - group expected to go to this meeting today. We can't all attend it because it's tough. Yeah. 01:05:21.963 --> 01:05:26.782 - But it would be. But that way, if someone's unavailable, there's nothing special. 01:05:27.362 --> 01:05:35.175 - You want to? That's where my question is. Are there any new projects or petitioners or anything? Is 01:05:35.175 --> 01:05:43.458 - there a reason to do the mail-in? I think the filing deadline is made first. I have not heard of anything 01:05:43.458 --> 01:05:51.506 - yet. At this point, since I haven't heard anything, it's likely to get canceled. However, there's some 01:05:51.506 --> 01:05:56.350 - things I don't always know about where things are popping up. 01:05:57.154 --> 01:06:04.395 - Logistical question for you as well, given that will we have to make it a monthly regular meeting ritual 01:06:04.395 --> 01:06:11.567 - of approving whatever memo we may choose to write is? Because we won't know until May 1st, potentially, 01:06:11.567 --> 01:06:18.463 - if there's anything we even want to speak on, then it would be before our next regular meeting that 01:06:18.463 --> 01:06:25.359 - we would have to wrap it up. I guess what I'm saying is as much as working group updates won't have 01:06:25.359 --> 01:06:26.462 - to be a regular 01:06:26.722 --> 01:06:35.116 - Agenda item anymore. ECPC and approval of a memo will have to be a voting item every month, right? Yeah. 01:06:35.116 --> 01:06:43.191 - And I think, if my memory serves me correctly, which it doesn't always. And I think Taylor said that 01:06:43.191 --> 01:06:51.265 - as long as the instance of the memo was stated during, and that's what the instant was voted on, the 01:06:51.265 --> 01:06:55.422 - actual letter formation could occur at the meeting. 01:06:55.746 --> 01:07:07.437 - So that would be hard to do if we didn't. So presuming that we do have them, I mean, if we don't have 01:07:07.437 --> 01:07:18.899 - the meeting. That's not like Heidi is interested. Matt's interested. Is anybody else feeling pretty 01:07:18.899 --> 01:07:25.662 - committed to going to the meeting on the 7th at 1130? Yes. 01:07:25.890 --> 01:07:34.322 - Yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, I expect it to be canceled. But if it isn't, I'm sorry. Yeah, 01:07:34.322 --> 01:07:43.276 - thank you. And it comes through as an announcement, like a meeting. Yes. It's in McCloskey, so it will 01:07:43.276 --> 01:07:52.577 - be downstairs. But yeah, also, if there's a better time, like I said, in office on Tuesdays and Thursdays, 01:07:52.577 --> 01:07:54.750 - so that's the best time. 01:07:55.298 --> 01:08:04.402 - said or something. I tried to make it around lunchtime so people weren't hopefully taking off work. 01:08:04.402 --> 01:08:13.506 - But if there is a better time throughout the day that works. Right. And when did you say it was the 01:08:13.506 --> 01:08:22.974 - major larger letter? That would be May 12th. 5.30? Yeah, 5.30. Also, I think it must be. If we have it. 01:08:23.330 --> 01:08:28.729 - Yeah, it's only if we have the seventh meeting, then we'll have to swap one. And speaking of working 01:08:28.729 --> 01:08:34.181 - groups, and since I'm talking of a meeting that I will not be at, I did pass along the ITS concern of 01:08:34.181 --> 01:08:39.633 - the HDMI cords sometimes hopping in the room. I haven't heard anything back that I didn't want to sit 01:08:39.633 --> 01:08:45.085 - on in a long session. You know, like three minutes, I'm like, oh, you're going to be a doctor for it. 01:08:45.085 --> 01:08:50.110 - So thank you for sharing. OK, anything else from ECPC? No. OK, light pollution working group. 01:08:50.434 --> 01:08:58.141 - Then Martinez is typically the one that speaks to this, but Matt, do you have anything you want to share? 01:08:58.141 --> 01:09:05.630 - Did we read them? I don't think we have an update at this time. Okay. No update. Sounds good. I'd like 01:09:05.630 --> 01:09:13.046 - to mention something on this topic. The ECOPS permission on sustainability, I don't think they got to 01:09:13.046 --> 01:09:16.318 - it in the last reading, but they're actually 01:09:16.898 --> 01:09:24.370 - Proposing a resolution to adopt to the city of Wilmington to adopt dark sky certification. I mean, the 01:09:24.370 --> 01:09:31.625 - whole mayor approval thing is very complicated. I would like to suggest that perhaps we think about 01:09:31.625 --> 01:09:38.879 - doing together with them, joining them, talking with them, just suit the thought. I know this isn't 01:09:38.879 --> 01:09:46.206 - exactly on the agenda, but it would be a bit more helpful to have another permission that is kind of 01:09:46.370 --> 01:09:51.377 - And especially like the system that should be on this topic. It's just saying that they're doing that 01:09:51.377 --> 01:09:56.335 - because I know that a group has been talking about it for like a year now, but it's interesting that 01:09:56.335 --> 01:10:01.391 - because like leads with resolution versus having a working group that's talking about it or, you know, 01:10:01.391 --> 01:10:06.349 - leads thinking through, it's really, that's something to think about. Yeah. I mean, that's something 01:10:06.349 --> 01:10:11.504 - to think about like is, are there things that would be more assertive that makes sense for us? Are there 01:10:11.504 --> 01:10:14.302 - things that are more of a process that we think are more 01:10:14.562 --> 01:10:20.835 - important to move through before gently do it. That's really interesting. I personally prefer a slow 01:10:20.835 --> 01:10:27.294 - and a thoughtful approach. I think that's more scientific. But at the same time, I appreciate that they 01:10:27.294 --> 01:10:33.505 - care about this stuff. I think it would be helpful if we, I don't know what the mechanism would be, 01:10:33.505 --> 01:10:39.716 - but if we had one of our representatives, we chart them and maybe we could work on joint resolution 01:10:39.716 --> 01:10:40.958 - if that's possible. 01:10:41.506 --> 01:10:47.898 - you know, maybe we could add some of the information. I know we're still pretty preliminary in our research, 01:10:47.898 --> 01:10:53.939 - but it would be, if we did talk about resolution, I just think as we're both advisory boards, it would 01:10:53.939 --> 01:11:00.038 - be very helpful or be more persuasive if we have joint permission composed of how many people, the city 01:11:00.038 --> 01:11:06.431 - council, the mayor, you know, given our recommendations versus us acting individually. That's just something 01:11:06.431 --> 01:11:08.542 - I was thinking, because I actually, 01:11:09.122 --> 01:11:15.356 - watch their meeting for a different reason, which maybe I'll address in the next working version update. 01:11:15.356 --> 01:11:21.531 - But yeah, I don't know if we want to reach out to them, if we want to motion to that effect, if we just 01:11:21.531 --> 01:11:27.528 - support what they want. Yeah, I don't think we need to. And I know how to get in touch with them. Or 01:11:27.528 --> 01:11:33.643 - I would be even there if they're doing that at all. Yeah, I mean, I think if they, I mean, given their 01:11:33.643 --> 01:11:37.918 - agendas lately, I would be surprised if they get to it even next month. 01:11:38.050 --> 01:11:44.337 - So we've got some time, but I'm happy to reach out and say, hey, we're also looking into dark sky. Maybe 01:11:44.337 --> 01:11:50.324 - we can do a joint message. And then, Matt, you could email Adam and the other Adam, because they're 01:11:50.324 --> 01:11:56.491 - on our fingers. And Carl, if you- Maybe we could do a range in light pollution, or use it again. Yeah, 01:11:56.491 --> 01:12:02.658 - I think that would be good. The odds are on her email with virtual interests, and she turned on email. 01:12:02.658 --> 01:12:06.430 - I went to one meeting, but then it wasn't technically on mine. 01:12:06.562 --> 01:12:13.935 - I'm during a meeting and then we're involved and I'm not working with you. But yeah, there is something 01:12:13.935 --> 01:12:21.096 - I'm very interested in. People in my neighborhood have talked about the dark or the lights, and it's 01:12:21.096 --> 01:12:28.753 - something that I would be interested in pushing forward. Sweet. Well, yeah. We'll continue the conversation 01:12:28.753 --> 01:12:36.126 - and let us know where you was going. Awesome. Well, okay. Well, then great. Thank you. Light pollution. 01:12:37.154 --> 01:12:45.589 - folks. Okay, so our final meeting of the Outreach and Education Working Group officially. Kim, do you 01:12:45.589 --> 01:12:53.941 - want to do anything on that? Sure, you can start. We met just before this meeting and we're still in 01:12:53.941 --> 01:13:02.458 - sort of the stages. This working group really just started in the last four months. So right now we're 01:13:02.458 --> 01:13:07.006 - focusing on getting the materials updated, getting the 01:13:07.138 --> 01:13:13.778 - website cleaned up a little bit. And so Carrie raised the sort of show that sets the brochures. Factors 01:13:13.778 --> 01:13:20.353 - and facts on our website. All the resources have been taken off as part of the accessibility updating. 01:13:20.353 --> 01:13:26.929 - And this is a good opportunity for us to re-evaluate what we actually have up there to create some new 01:13:26.929 --> 01:13:33.313 - brochures for the tabling that we do. So we talked a little bit about how we're going to push that, 01:13:33.313 --> 01:13:34.590 - what we're going to 01:13:34.722 --> 01:13:43.651 - I think we're going to reach out to working groups and ask them for resources. Hopefully, we can have 01:13:43.651 --> 01:13:52.054 - a couple of brochures, but we can also have some hyperlinks on the website to reputable sources 01:13:52.054 --> 01:14:00.808 - on biodiversity, water, things like that. We talked about that, and then we briefly mentioned maybe 01:14:00.808 --> 01:14:04.222 - doing some sort of, what is it called? 01:14:04.322 --> 01:14:12.212 - press release for the eagle hairs contest. Sorry, I remember in the shot. Yeah, so that was basically 01:14:12.212 --> 01:14:20.024 - it. And is it possible for us to have, do you know if the press had Fiona's presentation or document 01:14:20.024 --> 01:14:24.510 - that she had worked on for the natural landscaping stuff? 01:14:24.738 --> 01:14:29.878 - Can we put that on the website for now, since there aren't any brochures or statutes? Sorry. I have 01:14:29.878 --> 01:14:35.121 - not had time to fully check that it's 100% accessible. Once I do, I don't want to make a deadline. We 01:14:35.121 --> 01:14:40.312 - drink that. I'm not going to make the next Friday deadline of it. But once I do, I can put it on the 01:14:40.312 --> 01:14:45.606 - website. I might bring it to the next commission meeting just to vote on it officially, I guess. Yeah. 01:14:45.606 --> 01:14:50.592 - OK, that's perfect. Yeah. We're just thinking like, oh, we've already got a digital thing. Yeah, 01:14:50.592 --> 01:14:51.774 - so it's fine. Awesome. 01:14:51.906 --> 01:14:57.330 - I'm speaking of press releases. Do you take pictures of the winners artwork and can we put that in the 01:14:57.330 --> 01:15:02.702 - press release or did you not talk about that? We didn't, but I think it would be great if we did have 01:15:02.702 --> 01:15:08.126 - some images. I don't know. Again, we tried to do the same. Yeah, I don't know if we've put photos with 01:15:08.126 --> 01:15:13.498 - press releases. I know we've put images on the website of the winners or we put in our Facebook posts 01:15:13.498 --> 01:15:18.975 - or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I typically take pictures of the art and stuff. I can ask a press release. 01:15:18.975 --> 01:15:19.870 - Yeah, I can ask. 01:15:20.258 --> 01:15:26.728 - And I'll draft that or one of us will draft that and then send it to you and then you'll go to the city 01:15:26.728 --> 01:15:33.198 - or the city will draft it. I think I was going to check with the comms team and see if there's anything 01:15:33.198 --> 01:15:39.482 - super city specific in the press release guidance that staff has. I'm going to send that out and you 01:15:39.482 --> 01:15:46.014 - all could write it and then I'll send it to you. And it should be people talking about ideas for things. 01:15:46.562 --> 01:15:54.744 - Okay, that sounds great. Is there anything else for the outreach education? Cool. Special projects working 01:15:54.744 --> 01:16:02.697 - group. Well, I haven't done anything with that. We're going to keep moving along because April and it's 01:16:02.697 --> 01:16:10.878 - eco heroes month. The last thing then though is the water quality. It was going to be that I had a meeting 01:16:10.878 --> 01:16:15.390 - schedule finally for us to get the main people up to date. 01:16:15.490 --> 01:16:21.529 - But now I can just email a guest and like, you know, what I've been thinking about and talk about it 01:16:21.529 --> 01:16:27.568 - if you want to help us. So yes. Before I move on from working groups as a whole, I will double check 01:16:27.568 --> 01:16:33.727 - that without working groups that you all can still use city rooms if you want. Oh, that's good enough. 01:16:33.727 --> 01:16:40.184 - Yeah. Because I'm not sure how that works. And like, I assume I don't need a public loanist and non-working 01:16:40.184 --> 01:16:41.918 - group, but I don't know how. 01:16:42.530 --> 01:16:55.250 - I guess I'm sure this was already on your radar. You can cancel all of the outreach working group meetings 01:16:55.250 --> 01:17:07.614 - before the regular meetings. Unless you'd like to use the room here. It may be that there's a recurring 01:17:07.614 --> 01:17:10.110 - casual conversation. 01:17:10.306 --> 01:17:18.469 - But I think moving forward, we have a lot of flexibility with how we communicate, which is kind of what 01:17:18.469 --> 01:17:26.476 - that really means. And that was everything from me and Mitchell. Great. Okay. We're on Susan's board. 01:17:26.476 --> 01:17:34.718 - So pre-commission. So I have every intention of attending the meeting. The meeting doesn't happen to us. 01:17:34.850 --> 01:17:43.592 - These are two meetings since the tree commission last met. So tell me now, I think on the 20th. Yeah, 01:17:43.592 --> 01:17:52.505 - I'll go with that. I'll update them then as well. Perfect. That's great. Thank you for doing that. Have 01:17:52.505 --> 01:18:01.075 - you been able to learn something else? I was not able to learn anything. No worries at all. Friends 01:18:01.075 --> 01:18:03.646 - of Lake Monroe, I don't know. 01:18:03.746 --> 01:18:15.334 - Rachel, do you have any insight from that? Do we have any emails? I was in the last meeting. They had 01:18:15.334 --> 01:18:27.150 - a couple of their grants that they approved. They missed one of them. One of them was they were redoing 01:18:27.150 --> 01:18:32.830 - a concrete path for a water tank on Brown County. 01:18:34.050 --> 01:18:43.968 - Oh, and I also had a, they've been working with a nine-year-old student in the professor's lab, and 01:18:43.968 --> 01:18:54.381 - has been doing some work with data from the Salt Creek shrinkage. The data has been collected out there, 01:18:54.381 --> 01:19:03.902 - and it shows that the Indian Lake meeting happened a month or two ago. We're hoping to get that 01:19:04.834 --> 01:19:20.063 - Booster. Salt Creek coming out of a lake or in front of branches. North Fork, Salt Creek. We're sorry, 01:19:20.063 --> 01:19:29.822 - South Fork. Oh, thanks for being here, Donna. Beacons and beacons 01:19:30.978 --> 01:19:37.143 - That we call it now? B plus R? It was for our princess B plus C or B plus R in an email today. So that 01:19:37.143 --> 01:19:43.129 - R is kind of the acronym. In not this month, but last month's meeting, they discussed exactly that, 01:19:43.129 --> 01:19:49.115 - but didn't formally land anywhere. So they're there, but for the moment, I feel okay still saying B 01:19:49.115 --> 01:19:55.101 - plus. Still until they know exactly how they're identifying. Due to last month's meeting here being 01:19:55.101 --> 01:19:56.478 - what it was, I think I 01:19:56.834 --> 01:20:05.305 - We skipped reports. So last month, they talked about how they're tabling at Earth Day. They did their 01:20:05.305 --> 01:20:13.692 - elections, and they adopted their resolution against flock cameras. Then they kind of introduced and 01:20:13.692 --> 01:20:21.581 - advanced to a second reading, a resolution about pedestrianization of Kirkwood and sustainable 01:20:21.581 --> 01:20:26.398 - transportation, and also one to restrict or dissipate use 01:20:26.530 --> 01:20:34.827 - So both on to their second reading so that they would officially be able to take action on those. However, 01:20:34.827 --> 01:20:42.892 - this month's meeting, the resolution on Glyphosate was the entire meeting. They had a couple of subject 01:20:42.892 --> 01:20:50.956 - area experts in, a representative from Parks, Mary, I can't remember her last name, and an L and J card 01:20:50.956 --> 01:20:55.454 - from MCIRIS were there, and they had question and answer. 01:20:55.618 --> 01:21:03.675 - That was a robust conversation for a while and basically postponed the resolution there. May meeting 01:21:03.675 --> 01:21:11.892 - kind of anticipating some kind of amendment. So yeah, they had a very productive meeting just two days 01:21:11.892 --> 01:21:20.028 - ago, but didn't actually go through any of the resolutions. So that's not what I wanted to talk about 01:21:20.028 --> 01:21:25.054 - because that's not what we thought we needed virtually anyway. 01:21:25.218 --> 01:21:32.105 - I've had a surprising number of people come up to talk to me about the environmental conditions that 01:21:32.105 --> 01:21:38.856 - we should investigate. And I'm wondering if we would want to pick up on that topic at all, either, 01:21:38.856 --> 01:21:46.017 - you know, or if you just want to let it kind of do their thing. I just, I bring it up because the, like, 01:21:46.017 --> 01:21:52.222 - I don't want people to be confused to thinking that we're the one pushing this resolution. 01:21:52.610 --> 01:21:57.582 - But at the same time, I know everybody's busy and I don't really want to pick up the topic, but maybe 01:21:57.582 --> 01:22:02.603 - if it would, I don't know, I feel like our thinking is different than theirs, although I will say that 01:22:02.603 --> 01:22:07.137 - the last meeting, they kind of got more nuanced in their approach, it seemed like. Right, so 01:22:07.137 --> 01:22:12.060 - while environmental quality indicators and our environmental expertise does certainly fall under the 01:22:12.060 --> 01:22:17.374 - sustainability umbrella, they also, so do a whole bunch of other things, which is why, you know, most people 01:22:17.538 --> 01:22:25.598 - are generally opposed to the merger that was proposed way back when. On this resolution, I have no personal 01:22:25.598 --> 01:22:33.658 - interest in joining them on it. I'm satisfied the city's use of pesticides. I know that they are herbicides 01:22:33.658 --> 01:22:41.792 - that they minimize their use. I know they're all definitely about to update their integrated pest management 01:22:41.792 --> 01:22:46.046 - plan because Bee City resources can make it even better. 01:22:46.530 --> 01:22:54.996 - And joining them, I was just in making our position clear, which is likely a rebuild from the people 01:22:54.996 --> 01:23:03.546 - I talked to on this. So, you know, because actually has a proposed opposition to the because amazing. 01:23:03.546 --> 01:23:11.928 - I mean, yeah, for the reasons you might expect in a city for dealing with invasive species that are 01:23:11.928 --> 01:23:14.526 - in the way that they apply it. 01:23:14.946 --> 01:23:21.305 - Yeah, I very much didn't care for it as written, but it sounds pretty evident that a very new version 01:23:21.305 --> 01:23:27.601 - of it is probably what's going to come up next month. So I'm in no hurry to weigh in because they're 01:23:27.601 --> 01:23:33.960 - going through their process. Sorry. No, no, no. I was just going to say, I appreciate you updating us 01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:40.631 - on it and promptly bringing it up just to say, is this something that we want to have in more concentrated 01:23:40.631 --> 01:23:41.566 - conversations? 01:23:42.402 --> 01:23:47.462 - opening it to the group to say, do we want to, how do people feel about, do we want to say anything 01:23:47.462 --> 01:23:52.774 - in any one direction? And if we do want to do something more formalized and just talk amongst ourselves, 01:23:52.774 --> 01:23:57.935 - like I think that's, I think that's a really valuable talking point is people ever want to have those 01:23:57.935 --> 01:24:02.995 - kinds of discussions, especially with because being very good at their resolution, uh, creations. I 01:24:02.995 --> 01:24:08.510 - would say that, I mean, this is definitely something that probably would benefit from like having, you know, 01:24:08.802 --> 01:24:14.381 - making sure that we all know where to find their draft of their resolution so we can read it or research 01:24:14.381 --> 01:24:19.482 - if we need to ask questions. Like, get some understanding because bring it up at the, you know, 01:24:19.482 --> 01:24:24.635 - the top. It's a little hard to wrap our brains around. How do I feel about it? What is our role? 01:24:24.635 --> 01:24:30.480 - Is there, on the city's website, a statement about the approximate increase in use? I think in the integrated 01:24:30.480 --> 01:24:36.006 - best management field, is it the best way, best resource? I don't know. Go ahead. I was just wondering, 01:24:36.006 --> 01:24:38.078 - you know, thinking about updating your 01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:45.951 - that our website and people are going to come to us to inform that information that might be used at 01:24:45.951 --> 01:24:53.768 - the rest time. If we want to sort of take a stand. Yeah. And if nothing else, it's like, here are the 01:24:53.768 --> 01:25:01.892 - resources. Yeah. That's a really good idea, Shannon, to put that on the list of your website adjustments. 01:25:01.892 --> 01:25:04.958 - Well, MCIers must deal with that issue. 01:25:05.282 --> 01:25:11.428 - Yes, I believe they have some guidance. They have a calendar of control of how to treat certain invasives 01:25:11.428 --> 01:25:17.342 - at certain times of the year and what you should be treating them with. And I imagine Blackness State 01:25:17.342 --> 01:25:23.313 - is on there. I've been told by MCIRIS to use that last, as I've been saying, in my area. So that whole 01:25:23.313 --> 01:25:28.705 - meeting was the Q&A with MCIRIS members controlling itself. I mean, they're master learners, 01:25:28.705 --> 01:25:32.126 - aren't they? And they're possibly good at the means on it. 01:25:32.418 --> 01:25:40.494 - Is there a certified Master Gardener? Is that because there are bigger groups? I don't know what that 01:25:40.494 --> 01:25:49.045 - is, but. Dr. Andrews-Gardner, her research has been invasive species and biodiversity and treating invasive 01:25:49.045 --> 01:25:57.120 - species. I have it here, if anyone at some point wants to look at it. There are just two main points. 01:25:57.120 --> 01:26:01.950 - Resolution 202604 states that what widespread use of glucose 01:26:02.178 --> 01:26:11.650 - glyphosate may lead to the development of herbicide-resistant weeds. However, I'm not aware of any studies 01:26:11.650 --> 01:26:20.592 - that show this in areas where glyphosate is used to manage invasive species. It's only been reported 01:26:20.592 --> 01:26:29.887 - in agricultural fields where glyphosate is sprayed regularly throughout the year on glyphosate-resistant 01:26:29.887 --> 01:26:31.038 - crop plants. 01:26:31.170 --> 01:26:39.895 - they there there there's an argument to each of the concerns so to I haven't read the because this letter 01:26:39.895 --> 01:26:48.374 - but it sounds like the two main concerns are about the overuse of it and the argument is that we don't 01:26:48.374 --> 01:26:56.852 - overuse it the way that we apply it is no how what what the concern is usually for um and then um then 01:26:56.852 --> 01:26:59.486 - they also mentioned and all the 01:26:59.618 --> 01:27:06.630 - BCOS mentioned using alternative methods for pest and weed control. However, in some situations, methods 01:27:06.630 --> 01:27:13.509 - such as manual removal cause more harm than benefit, and some manifestations are simply too large. And 01:27:13.509 --> 01:27:20.521 - then also that they can cause direct, manual removal can cause direct harm to human health. For example, 01:27:20.521 --> 01:27:27.266 - poison hemlock and poison ointment. So they've done in their label, like they've made themselves the 01:27:27.266 --> 01:27:29.470 - main arguments that BCOS thinks. 01:27:32.578 --> 01:27:38.970 - Thanks for sharing me. Any other thoughts that people want to share about this before we move on to 01:27:38.970 --> 01:27:45.553 - the next update report? Cool. Thanks for the discussion on that. Oh, I know. MC Iris, which is Rachel. 01:27:45.553 --> 01:27:52.201 - I was not able to attend the meeting this month, so I don't have an update. Whenever I skim to minutes, 01:27:52.201 --> 01:27:58.785 - it was mostly about preparing for the plant sale in October or September and running their replacement 01:27:58.785 --> 01:28:00.830 - program of removing evasive and 01:28:00.962 --> 01:28:08.341 - receiving a voucher to that reason of the data. Yeah. Cool. All right. Mitchell, anything from that 01:28:08.341 --> 01:28:15.721 - home community program? Still not resolved yet? Okay, so yeah. A bunch of things to the list that I 01:28:15.721 --> 01:28:23.100 - haven't taken a chance to look from this yet, because every time I remember, I'm on a work computer 01:28:23.100 --> 01:28:27.454 - and I can't get on Google Drive. That's where they happen. 01:28:28.098 --> 01:28:36.753 - Are you familiar with the Clean Community Program? It would be helpful to get a recap. Yeah, I would 01:28:36.753 --> 01:28:45.323 - appreciate a recap. It is a program through IDEM for basically encouraging cities, counties, mostly 01:28:45.323 --> 01:28:53.978 - cities and counties, I think, to partake in various environmental initiatives and things. And if you 01:28:53.978 --> 01:28:57.406 - do enough of them, you get recognition. 01:28:57.666 --> 01:29:05.628 - Currently three tiers, bronze is you've signed up. And you've shown a commitment to doing this. 01:29:05.628 --> 01:29:14.004 - Silver is, and there's like a list of like currently prescribed activities you can do that would get 01:29:14.004 --> 01:29:22.878 - you credit for moving up the tiers of like having a greenhouse gas, what's the word? Inventory. Inventory, 01:29:22.878 --> 01:29:26.942 - yes. Or like things similar to that or just like 01:29:27.074 --> 01:29:34.669 - Updating practices doing more being like a certified trees. What's the trees and trees? Yeah, like getting 01:29:34.669 --> 01:29:42.121 - that certification or anything. That's what I want. Yeah. Thank you. That's part of sorry. That's almost 01:29:42.121 --> 01:29:49.219 - part of the problem, but part of why we haven't reached silver yet because we can do a lot of these 01:29:49.219 --> 01:29:50.142 - initiatives. 01:29:50.338 --> 01:29:58.168 - Do you need me already? It's like three years statute of limitations was, I think, like the person who 01:29:58.168 --> 01:30:06.074 - runs the program set in the original meetings. And you have to do so many of these activities depending 01:30:06.074 --> 01:30:14.360 - on the size of your city. Bloomington, I think we got in at a slightly smaller tier because of the permanent 01:30:14.360 --> 01:30:20.062 - population of the city versus the college adjusted population of the city. 01:30:21.026 --> 01:30:28.032 - So we have to get six things to get to the silver tier. We've been sitting on five for a while. So I 01:30:28.032 --> 01:30:35.107 - think it's, again, just a matter of figuring out the proper paperwork or whenever something moves and 01:30:35.107 --> 01:30:42.251 - comes back up again, then we'll get to that point. And then gold will be another six. And when we have 01:30:42.251 --> 01:30:48.286 - the original meetings, I know. I'm forgetting her name, city council. Is it Wizzetoff? 01:30:48.514 --> 01:30:54.902 - Yes. She was really gung-ho about stuff that a lot of other communities hadn't even gotten into yet, 01:30:54.902 --> 01:31:01.480 - like a lot of kind of agronomic studies and things like that. And we're like, oh, can we go above gold? 01:31:01.480 --> 01:31:07.994 - Because I think we can get to gold pretty easily. Yeah, maybe we can call them platinum. So let's see. 01:31:07.994 --> 01:31:14.319 - But we're still making good progress. It's an accounting process at this point, I think. Thanks for 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:18.430 - the breakdown of that. It was a newer program, so it's exciting. 01:31:18.690 --> 01:31:25.628 - that you can figure out. Great, welcome to staff report. We've got a couple of items listed here. Yeah, 01:31:25.628 --> 01:31:32.498 - so you see this email, and I use it a lot. It often emails me a few times a year about if the EC wants 01:31:32.498 --> 01:31:39.303 - to promote something on Facebook. I don't know if you all had a chance to review this email, but they 01:31:39.303 --> 01:31:46.974 - basically are asking if they provided some social media content to put this on Facebook. So I just wanted to check 01:31:47.330 --> 01:32:01.864 - to see if you all were interested in having this. Does that pass accessibility? That's for the 25th. 01:32:01.864 --> 01:32:16.542 - This requires about, doesn't it? I move that we approve this graphic for our social media. Thank you. 01:32:16.674 --> 01:32:34.959 - It's not the only place I don't receive an issue, but yeah, it's a fair question. I haven't tested all 01:32:34.959 --> 01:32:42.238 - of that. Okay, so we had a need to vote. 01:32:42.722 --> 01:33:06.246 - Okay. Mitchell. Yeah. Provider. Yes. That's the master. Carry. All right. Yes. Heidi Brown. Yes. Yes. 01:33:06.246 --> 01:33:11.550 - Motion passes. Settle. 01:33:12.674 --> 01:33:19.348 - I'm just going to move from school next week. Congratulations. Great. Well then, we're at the part evening 01:33:19.348 --> 01:33:25.649 - where we go through commissioner announcements. This is where you can share whatever you want. We're 01:33:25.649 --> 01:33:32.323 - still in our meeting. So typically, it is environmentally related or somehow adjacent to EC. But honestly, 01:33:32.323 --> 01:33:38.623 - it is an open floor. I had a couple of things that I was going to share, including two things to put 01:33:38.623 --> 01:33:42.366 - on our agenda for next month, which are social media posts, 01:33:42.722 --> 01:33:48.401 - votes around the garden fair. We have a photo of our lovely commissioners at the table. It'd be great 01:33:48.401 --> 01:33:54.414 - to be able to share that and say something positive about the impact of, you know, the community gathering, 01:33:54.414 --> 01:34:00.094 - and then also another one for the Earth Day's eco-hero stuff, which we'll want to share about too. So 01:34:00.094 --> 01:34:05.717 - that'll be on the list. Additionally, on the agenda, I'll try and remember to say something, Rachel, 01:34:05.717 --> 01:34:06.942 - but the annual report 01:34:07.554 --> 01:34:13.081 - or last year is something that I will present to council at some point, but I need y'all's input and 01:34:13.081 --> 01:34:18.772 - also your vote to approve that. So that would be something that I bring. It's basically a recap of what 01:34:18.772 --> 01:34:24.354 - we did last year. It's also a short comment on what we're doing this year and we're going with it and 01:34:24.354 --> 01:34:30.154 - it can be whatever we want it to be. So we've gone through a lot of different stuff just in 2026 already, 01:34:30.154 --> 01:34:35.134 - which is great and we can share about or talk about. Does that mean they are all approval? 01:34:36.578 --> 01:34:44.138 - Uh, it's presented to council. I mean, I guess so. It's a thing we'd have to approve as a commission. 01:34:44.138 --> 01:34:51.624 - So, it's really good because it's baked into our rules, but okay. I don't understand why the council 01:34:51.624 --> 01:34:59.184 - also doesn't have to approve. Don't ask for more, please. I think it's just because of the flow chart 01:34:59.184 --> 01:35:04.446 - of legislative, executive, judicial commissions around your executive. 01:35:06.530 --> 01:35:13.955 - So yeah, so next month we'll talk about the annual report and hold on hopefully. But the thing that's 01:35:13.955 --> 01:35:21.599 - actually really important is that we will be naming new officers in June, which means we will be needing 01:35:21.599 --> 01:35:28.587 - people to self-nominate or to suggest others to be in the role of chair, vice chair, secretary, 01:35:28.587 --> 01:35:36.158 - and treasurer. Right now our vice chair and treasurer is the same role because last year someone we did 01:35:36.386 --> 01:35:43.468 - every now and again, but the treasure is an important one to have. And you all are welcome to raise 01:35:43.468 --> 01:35:51.046 - your hand expressing interest in any of these roles. This role could be yours. I'm so down to let somebody 01:35:51.046 --> 01:35:58.269 - else try their hand. They're all really different. We're allowed to individually email each other. So 01:35:58.269 --> 01:36:05.918 - if any of these three officers, you'd like to know what the actual burden of that job is, you can ask them. 01:36:06.946 --> 01:36:13.778 - and they would be happy to share with you. Yeah, I was going to make, as a commissioner announcement, 01:36:13.778 --> 01:36:20.610 - the fact that I'm looking to no longer be an officer. I'm not planning to step off of the commission, 01:36:20.610 --> 01:36:27.509 - but I have some other possible very challenging time constraints heading into the new year. So I would 01:36:27.509 --> 01:36:34.408 - like to not be an officer on this commission. So if anyone wants to know anything about how it's gone, 01:36:34.408 --> 01:36:36.350 - I'm happy to chat with them. 01:36:38.498 --> 01:36:43.625 - Yeah, just putting that out there. And then lastly, I'm gonna bring snacks to our next meeting. 01:36:43.625 --> 01:36:48.965 - I love snacks. And so I'm super excited to have something that kind of like keeps us going as we're 01:36:48.965 --> 01:36:54.412 - moving into the summer months where, you know, it's nice to have a little thing to lower sense. So if 01:36:54.412 --> 01:36:59.432 - you wanna bring group snacks, feel free. I'm gonna bring snacks to share. I know we're in the 01:36:59.432 --> 01:37:04.825 - like semi-dinner hour, so who knows what they'll be, but that's my advice. Yeah, I have an event and 01:37:04.825 --> 01:37:08.350 - I'm done, so I have my father here. So David George Haskell, who, 01:37:09.154 --> 01:37:16.487 - is an environmental writer. His newest book just came out, How Flowers Made the World. We're bringing 01:37:16.487 --> 01:37:23.820 - him next week. He's in a finalist of the Pulitzer Prize in nonfiction twice. He has a book called The 01:37:23.820 --> 01:37:31.081 - Forest Unseen, which I love, which is all about forest ecology. So he'll be doing a reading and talk 01:37:31.081 --> 01:37:37.982 - on campus next Friday afternoon, then a book signing and conversation with Jen Liao in biology. 01:37:38.306 --> 01:37:45.193 - 6 o'clock at Morgan's Towers. He's also doing some other stuff. And then the next morning, on Saturday 01:37:45.193 --> 01:37:52.013 - morning, fingers crossed I can get Ross to commit. But he's going to walk, do a walk and talk to Ross 01:37:52.013 --> 01:37:58.832 - Gatti. That's close to the buildings and community orchard and the Linslow Nature Trail about flowers 01:37:58.832 --> 01:38:05.518 - and evolution. He's funny and delightful. So come to something or other. It should be really great. 01:38:05.518 --> 01:38:08.126 - His books are great. He had them read. 01:38:09.122 --> 01:38:36.862 - The invitation for this year's Indiana Academy of Sciences Biohits event came out recently. I coordinate 01:38:37.186 --> 01:38:45.362 - but I wanted to pass along the information to all of you as well, because it's a really fun event. These 01:38:45.362 --> 01:38:53.382 - bioblitzes are basically once a year, a bunch of people will just go and descend onto one location and 01:38:53.382 --> 01:39:01.246 - sample, just sample the hell out of it, for every kind of taxon you can imagine, just trying to find 01:39:01.246 --> 01:39:05.918 - everything within an area that you can in a day, basically. 01:39:06.626 --> 01:39:13.027 - This year's event will be taking place at Harmony State Park, which is about 20 minutes west of Evansville 01:39:13.027 --> 01:39:19.008 - along the Val Vash River. Seems like a really cool spot. They have, you don't need to have any kind 01:39:19.008 --> 01:39:25.170 - of expertise or training or knowledge you're doing at all. There are plenty of people who shepherd you 01:39:25.170 --> 01:39:27.742 - through that process if you're interested. 01:39:27.938 --> 01:39:34.235 - There are people sampling every kind of taxidermy group if you want to do some birding, or just go to 01:39:34.235 --> 01:39:40.409 - plants, or traps, or mammals, or herbs, or if you want to do aquatic insects with me, I'll give you 01:39:40.409 --> 01:39:46.645 - a dad. I want you to work. It'll be fun, I promise. If you want to know more about it, I can forward 01:39:46.645 --> 01:39:53.066 - you the registration link and information. Just send me an e-mail and send all the cool details. What's 01:39:53.066 --> 01:39:56.894 - the date on that again? Oh yeah, I didn't say that. June 4th. 01:39:57.538 --> 01:40:07.097 - Saturday, June. If June 20th isn't a Saturday, just go to the closest Saturday. That's great. That'll 01:40:07.097 --> 01:40:17.125 - be very useful. So much data. It is a long way of saying, oh, I need to do insights that try to out-sample 01:40:17.125 --> 01:40:25.278 - and they're not. So much data. Cool. That's great. Any other announcements from folks? 01:40:26.562 --> 01:40:35.523 - If you haven't been to the IU Museum, they have a very cool exhibit now, Fire Ecosystems. It's a portal 01:40:35.523 --> 01:40:44.312 - piece, the life cycle in human impact on a portal, and it's all made out of fiber. It's a really cool 01:40:44.312 --> 01:40:50.430 - exhibit. And then part of that on May 12th, or Tuesday in the evening, 01:40:50.754 --> 01:40:59.607 - If you have kids, they're doing a coordinated event with the City of Utilities where we're doing a little 01:40:59.607 --> 01:41:08.125 - bit of a Hootra River Watch stream lesson in partnership with the bioligal depot systems. And then in 01:41:08.125 --> 01:41:16.728 - their arts classroom, they're doing some kind of building, you know, fibrous things that kind of match 01:41:16.728 --> 01:41:18.398 - the example itself. 01:41:18.882 --> 01:41:31.018 - Which means the utilities that you're designed with, where is that happening? So there's a, we're using 01:41:31.018 --> 01:41:43.155 - one of the streams. And it's kind of in partnership, we do some river watch stream ecosystem and stream 01:41:43.155 --> 01:41:45.022 - health gauging. 01:41:45.282 --> 01:41:55.169 - Part of it is to go through the exhibit and then we walk outside through the stream right there and 01:41:55.169 --> 01:42:05.649 - kids can look for different bugs and kind of read some chemistry and like chemistry stuff, VHS and stuff. 01:42:05.649 --> 01:42:14.942 - And then they get to either, you know, draw a correct math or build something similar to the. 01:42:15.042 --> 01:42:23.271 - As I'm not sure if the signups are live, I checked last week, it wasn't up yet, but I think they're 01:42:23.271 --> 01:42:31.499 - capping them 30 to 40 children. And then parents will just be there with them. I think it was about 01:42:31.499 --> 01:42:39.975 - 30. If people want to keep an eye out for where to register for that. I will have to go back and maybe 01:42:39.975 --> 01:42:43.678 - don't find that link. I think it's on the... 01:42:44.002 --> 01:42:52.871 - different exhibits. I think it's under the exhibit for one that are outreach programs. Well, good job. 01:42:52.871 --> 01:43:01.654 - Other folks? We've got 16 minutes. Nothing? Nothing? Yeah. I mean, I don't have 40 minutes to go. You 01:43:01.654 --> 01:43:10.782 - know that, right? It's been a long time. It's been a while. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. 01:43:11.554 --> 01:43:19.231 - Okay, well then we can confirm that we've got the upcoming events, as you know, we're doing the Earth 01:43:19.231 --> 01:43:26.907 - Day event. We've got everybody figured out in their spots. If you have any change in your plan or any 01:43:26.907 --> 01:43:34.735 - questions, please please reach out to me. I will have my device nearby. And then next month our meeting 01:43:34.735 --> 01:43:38.046 - is on May 21, right here in the other room. 01:43:40.802 --> 01:43:49.822 - All right, I think it is 744. Nice job, team. 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