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- Okay, well, it is officially at 6.03, a nice leisurely start to our July meetings, July 16th.

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- And here we are, Maryland Commission, ready to talk some summertime stuff. So we can kick off with a

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- roll call, Jack, if you wouldn't mind. All right. I'm here. Brown? Here. Colby? Here. Geyser? Here.

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- And Martinez? Here. Thank you.

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- Yes, here. Thank you. As far as the documents for this evening, I am pulling it up, but we should first

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- go ahead and approve our July agenda. I just need a motion and a second. Move that we approve our July

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- agenda. Second. Nice. Great.

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- Are you ready for a vote? Okay. Brown. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Yes. Thank you.

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- All right. And then the next item is the June 11th minutes. So we're presuming that everyone had a chance

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- to review them. We're open to voting for them unless anybody has any commentary they'd like to make for them.

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- Move that we approve June's minutes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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- Yes, thank you. Perfect. Okay. Well, we're the part of our meeting tonight where we're open to public

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- comment. Um, I know that we've got, um, well, we've got in one individual joining us remotely. So you

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- are welcome to, um, introduce yourself, say hello or, um,

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- Or we can address your question, which is, there are no meeting materials published for either June

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- or July. Good evening. I'm sorry, I didn't realize I couldn't move myself. I raised my hand. Oh, sure.

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- No, that's great. All right, great. My name is Eric Ost, and I originally was going to attend this meeting

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- to just follow along and see what you folks are talking about. Since I got your attention, I was curious

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- if you had previously discussed the

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- the petition that appeared before the Plan Commission for the development at 2511 North Dunn. And so

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- in endeavoring to research that, I looked for prior meeting materials and I did not see a packet posted

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- for June 11th on the Environmental Commission onboard site. And let me just double check to make sure

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- I didn't miss it.

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- Um, no, there's nothing there. And then there's also nothing there for today's July 16th, 6 PM meeting.

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- Sure. Well, thanks for checking on that. Um, the first one. Oh, go ahead. First meeting. We actually

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- canceled that one. So there was no materials to, to, um, post on that one on June 11th, June 11th. Okay.

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- All right. That, that explains it. Cause there's no recording for it either. So that, that makes sense.

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- Yeah. Thank you.

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- Sure. And then as far as the... I messed that up right now. Gotcha. And we're working, our liaison for

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- this commission is on personal leave right now. And so we have a wonderful member of the department

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- volunteering to help us with our meetings in the meantime. Is that Jackie? Yes. So Jackie, yeah, I don't

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- see it on the website. I'm refreshing that.

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- Okay, I'm refreshing And then so but my general question if I was going to ask one this evening is is

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- there a process whereby Petitions that are for development that are going to be sent to they'd be routed

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- through of course planning and transportation and maybe there's permits that are requested from Murnau

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- County Building Department, but does the Environmental Commission receive a

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- you know, notice, timely notice of these, and are you able to review materials and possibly provide

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- recommendations or ask follow-up questions for those petitions before they're approved? That's my question.

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- Thank you. Yeah, that's a great question, and that's definitely something that we have done over the

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- years and have recently resumed. I'm actually, I can feel Matt Haldy, my fellow commissioner,

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- I'm chomping at the bit to chime in because he's followed the planning commission pretty closely, including

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- this development, which is one that's been on our radar for a bit. So Matt, do you want to? Yes.

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- So again, everything is a little bit different with our regular liaison on leave, but we are typically

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- given a heads up about anything going before the BZA or the planning commission if it involves sensitive

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- environmental features.

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- Also, a number of us individually are just on the city list where we see those agendas and petitions

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- ahead of time, so we can also scout for any that are relevant to our expertise here. We became aware

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- of the 2511 North Don one. I want to say back in January when it first went up before it was revised,

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- we discussed it some, a letter was sent to us by a member of the public,

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- Ultimately, we decided not to write a memo, though we have written memos before and we are capable.

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- We just, we stayed out of this one. Did you, so Ms. Johnson is your liaison? Correct. I believe she

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- also was the staff who was mentioned at the planning commission meeting as having visited the site.

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- And I'm curious, did any members of the commission go with her to visit the site?

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- No, that was done independent of us. That was through her function there with the city. I heard she

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- had two visits and designated that it was not a wetland, but we were not involved in a site visit. Did

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- you get a report back from her at one of your meetings? Regarding that, no, we did not. But again, I'm

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- not sure how that lined up with her going on leave prior to this second going to the

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- petitioner going before the planning commission. So it might've just been unlucky timing that we weren't

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- sure. But yeah, I was just following up. You said that you had discussed it and decided not to send

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- a memo or anything. I'm just curious what evidence you considered in terms of not doing that. And that

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- her report might be one of those things. But I'm just more wondering about the general process. And

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- I think you or your other, your other, your fellow member said that there is a,

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- normal process whereby you do receive notice and formally and you're able to. Okay. All right. Good.

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- Thank you. Yeah. And this is something that I think as a member of a public coming in to chat with us,

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- that's something that we're really open to as new developments or variances are requested.

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- that as they do have environmental implications to them, that's something that it is on our liaison's

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- radar, it is on our radar, as we're able to stay in the loop for those petitions coming through, that

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- we do want to be mindful of what is happening and where there are areas that we might want

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- to put recommendations in whatever direction in front of the Planning Commission or BCA or whomever.

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- So yeah, I appreciate you asking. Are there any other thoughts that you were having or wanting to share

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- with us while we got you?

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- Well, I'd like to follow up on this. I mean, use it as a case example. I just like to learn more about

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- what kind of metrics you're tracking and whether there's any aggregate tracking. I mean, even if you

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- don't write a memo, I'm wondering what kind of metrics you follow in terms of development, especially

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- development that is in this case, I believe it was Greenfield.

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- I mean, of course, it was that was all clear cut at one point, but I'm just it's there's no structures

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- on it now. I'm just wondering how you follow along because one development impacts others as well.

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- You know, they're not isolated. So, you know, but I'll follow up with you later. Appreciate it. Yeah.

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- And we always welcome letters from members of the public as well, just in case.

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- we don't get briefed on something or we miss it when we're looking over the agendas of those other bodies.

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- You're always welcome to chime in at or between meetings. Thank you. That's a great point. The environment

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- at bloomington.ion.gov goes to our liaison and to the individual covering it. If there's anything that

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- you want to pass along, that then gets distributed amongst the commission so that we can take a look at it or

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- decide if we want to have any conversation in between meetings. So you're very welcome to share stuff

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- as things maintain progress. Great. Well, thanks, Eric. Are there any other members of the public? It

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- looks like the screen is just note takers and other kinds of supportive technology. So for the folks

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- in the room, would you care to introduce yourselves?

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- Most people here are going by now. I think I'm just an asshole. Nothing really diverse to the question

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- just kind of for today, but yeah. And I'm Zach Anerman. I'm also a Christian on sustainability

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- and resilience. I was the main author among several others of the bioblution revolution that you guys

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- are considering. So I'm just here to observe and answer any questions if you have any. Great. Well,

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- thanks for coming. Great to have you. All right.

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- All right, well, then I believe we can move along to the next item on the agenda then, which is the

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- report section. So we've got commissioner reports that could include if you're sitting in on any other

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- commissions meetings, or if you're representing the EC in any other way, or if there's anything that

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- is not on the agenda, but you would like to talk about, such as,

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- biodiversity or habitat connectivity or perhaps education and outreach things like that that might just

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- be themes that you feel like talking about. The first one here is the city committee update and that's

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- for me that is as you know the city is officially and and IU both have been recognized as the city and

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- the campus USA and it's it is a

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- Part of the agreement to be considered obesity is to have an active committee that is represented by

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- different bodies.

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- across the area and we are lucky enough to have the Parks Department being kind of that core piece of

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- it. But part of it is also having the Environmental Commission have some representation on this committee.

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- There's also folks from like Sycamore Land Trust and the county and all sorts of other great organizations.

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- Shannon Geith was one of the BCD committee representatives and because she's no longer on the commission,

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- it would be ideal to have another member of the EC

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- coming to these meetings, being part of them. I can tell you that we, at this time, meet quarterly,

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- the second, I think it's the second Thursday of the second week of the second month of the quarter.

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- So it's consistent, like 9 a.m. on a Thursday. And basically everyone kind of can meet here. You can

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- also do it remotely. And we talk about just any of the initiatives that the Bee City group is putting together.

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- There were a ton of things that came out in June as far as doing the bioblitz and the film at the library

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- and just different activities in town. So it's not a huge lift for an individual, but it's a role that

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- the EC has in the BCB committee. So I'm going to put that out there in case anyone in this moment will

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- be interested in even for a single quarter representing the EC in that group. But either way, I'd love

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- to have you all think about it.

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- eager to put their name down. It's a great group. It's very low lift, but I'll let y'all think about

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- that. This is that thing where you just can't make, I'm not going to fall in. All right. It was, I'm

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- going to open my calendar real quick. I believe it's the second Tuesday of the second month of the quarter.

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- Okay. I think it was, if nobody's jumping at it, I can maybe swing it remotely. Yeah. And you can usually

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- can be remote. Yeah. By all means, everyone can sit. Okay. Say what time. Yeah, it's a nine a.m. I think

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- I'm on the internet. Yep. Okay. It is the second Thursday of the second month of the quarter.

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- And I was just looking because I didn't see one in my calendar for this quarter, but I suspect they're

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- just happening. So feel free to let me know. I don't know if I can send you the details, but it's a

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- great group. And it's kind of another fun little thing to be in touch with not just the city, but with

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- a bunch of different organizations. We're all really excited about the status and increasing pollinator

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- protections and things like that. Great. OK, well, that was it for me.

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- Be city update. Are there any other reports or updates from folks on the commission? Yeah, I can talk

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- about the tree commission. So, uh, we'll see. The urban forest has been focused pretty heavily on grooming

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- as a major activity, um, specific the line trail jukebox center. Um,

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- We have, St. Wilmington has a homeowner assistant program for the trimming removal of trees. And that's

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- fully subscribed now with about 24 participants. It'll be, you know, getting help from the city and

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- financial help and printing those trees. Our bicentennial tree planting is ongoing. I think we have

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- like 325 trees planned for that. So that's really nice. So cowl repairs are going to be removed along

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- with Eagle Sim.

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- In addition, there's going to be some ash tree removals and inspections planned. There has been a workshop

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- announced for how to care for ash trees and special considerations regarding those types of trees for

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- contractors in the public on August 26th. I'll beat you more details as we get close to that date. Again,

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- the meeting, next street commission meeting is on Monday.

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- And then new landscaping is also planned for Westerth Street and College Mall mediums. And this will

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- involve about 41 trees planted there as well. Canopy, we got a report from Canopy that they've planted

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- 248 trees, which brings, for the month, which brings that 805 total for the year. And as always though,

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- they're interested in getting more tree tenders or volunteers for their program. So it's essentially

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- what we got for the tree commission.

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- Nice. Thanks for attending that. All right. Other folks? Hi. Go on in. Yeah. I watched Picos's meeting.

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- They had a number of discussions around processes and whatnot. But the main thing accomplished was they

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- advanced the light pollution resolution to a second reading, as I hope we will do tonight.

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- Additionally, this feels like a while ago now, but I don't think we've had a meeting since

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- then. I participated in the CBU's Green Infrastructure Tour along with Adam Fudiger and Heidi Brown.

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- It was informative and great. So just wanted to put that out there, listen to my reports. Can you describe

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- what the tour was like a little bit? Yeah, they went to the green roof at, what's the name of that building?

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- The Forge. I think it's the Forge. Yeah, right by them though.

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- same kind of park there, but looked at some rain gardens that are like right out of the curbs downtown,

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- went to Miller Showers. They were, I think, four stops, but basically to show various pieces

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- of infrastructure and to kind of discuss how things work and how often they have to maintain them, which

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- was a lot. Every time it rains. Yeah, every time it rains. Some of these things had to be shoveled out

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- of any of the debris from the street. And then that chuckled out stuff has to be shipped off somewhere.

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- It's been on our own length of... Yeah, it was very informative. It was the two of you and at a booting

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- curve. Heidi, what did you think was either interesting or surprising or anything from Mitchell or anything?

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- It's just the amount of maintenance required to physical labor, shoveling out the

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- greats the filter greats because they run off as well. From cars, chemicals, dust, or construction sites.

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- You have to shift that off. You get another step.

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- Yeah, it's so interesting how we've had different conversations about different ideas that people have

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- of what we can do in the city. And it does seem like it comes down a lot of the time to love it. How

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- will we make sure that for the next 20 years, it still works and we've, and we're taking care of it.

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- So yeah, that's really cool that y'all get to see that. Yeah, they did have kind of an active enforcement

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- problem going on by Miller showers for their construction site was causing some of the, some of their

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- infrastructure to

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- to get real gunked up, so they were actively working that out. Cool. That sounds like it was going to

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- be really interesting. Was it just environment? Were there just the three of you, or were there people

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- from other commissions? It wasn't the public, right? No, there were some members of some kind of utility

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- commission or board. The people that are maintaining the infrastructure. I don't know, 10 to 15 people.

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- Supervisor.

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- Well, so is there utility service for me? Yeah, I think there are four of them. Maybe. Okay, thanks

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- for the update on that. Are there other folks who have reports or updates or things that they'd like

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- to share as far as Mr. Kauffman points go?

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- Well, then we're going to keep moving along. I'd like to welcome a member of the public. Hi, we just

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- did our public comment section, so if you want to say hello or introduce yourself, or if there's anything

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- here that you're wanting to share in particular, you've got five more minutes to do with it with you.

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- Hi, I'm Joshua. I actually came because I wanted to comment on that proposal that I read yesterday.

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- Well, the dark studies. That's one of the things on our agenda, sure. Yeah. So I've actually been doing

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- my internship project on the street lighting in Wilmington. And one of the pieces of text that I mentioned

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- about the street lighting inventory, which is the kind of old brand of ramp project. And I think I would

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- want to point that out specifically, because without that, the project does not seem reasonable.

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- like cartwheels. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. All right. That's that's great to know. Yeah. Yeah. Because basically,

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- it's an engine in there. Um that dude has their own inventory on their sheet by repair model and then

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- the city also has their own but it's like 160 lights and we have like thousands. Yeah. And it is a very very very

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- complicated situation that street lighting is divided amongst multiple different people in multiple

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- different departments and it's an often salivated element. I just thought I'd come and offer what I

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- found out. Yeah, that's perfect. For the folks who are kind of behind some of the language of the resolution,

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- do you want to chat about that now? I have another thing too.

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- aspect of that resolution. I forget what the exact thing was, but it mentioned the responsibility of

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- getting all the utilities. I think it's important to note that Elwood Works is the one who does street

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- planning. So that would be Cheyenne, Olinda, Nathan, Claire, Kristen, she is retired and she does all

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- the planning for street planning.

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- Another important person is Miranda Heber. She, she was building. So I think if we're going to do any

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- sort of inventory, it's going to have to be from building, unfortunately, because software all the time.

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- So it's going to be like a backwards inventory. It's going to take a lot of time. Interesting. How far

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- along are you?

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- Following along with my inventory inventory. What I've been doing the same as I've been interviewing

00:22:19.044 --> 00:22:26.364
- staff members and writing a report on the state of the inventory. Okay. What needs to be done? Yes.

00:22:26.364 --> 00:22:33.831
- So we basically just need an inventory. We just don't have that video. Okay. Which there are, I would

00:22:33.831 --> 00:22:39.614
- say there's a lot, but every now and then there are discrepancies in building.

00:22:39.906 --> 00:22:46.413
- or has like work pain or something like that. And, or like, like holes on the surface and stuff like

00:22:46.413 --> 00:22:53.178
- that. So it's just like, since there isn't a good morning and there's one person going through and doing

00:22:53.178 --> 00:22:59.814
- it, that's the state of the situation right now. Yeah, I was wondering about the energy portion of it.

00:22:59.814 --> 00:23:06.514
- Like, yeah, so the lighting today, I'm doing it to talk. Yeah, so the way that works out is that, well,

00:23:06.514 --> 00:23:08.254
- I don't need to beat that.

00:23:08.514 --> 00:23:17.284
- essentially these are our street lights from Duke Energy. And like we don't, it's basically like subscription

00:23:17.284 --> 00:23:25.416
- service, like old timey appliance leasing, but it's on a 10 year scale. So you pay for the lightables

00:23:25.416 --> 00:23:33.628
- and the lighting fixtures over a 10 year scale. And then the city owns them? The city does not pay for

00:23:33.628 --> 00:23:37.694
- them. Yeah, the city owns them and maintains them.

00:23:37.954 --> 00:23:45.428
- And that's one thing that a lot of people don't understand is that we have humor reports and people

00:23:45.428 --> 00:23:53.052
- submit humor reports about street lighting. Well, they actually need to go to Duke and submit it that

00:23:53.052 --> 00:24:00.526
- way instead. But there's like Scheinman even does street lighting repair, has to manually go in and

00:24:00.526 --> 00:24:05.534
- then make those reports herself. And also it's a big guessing game

00:24:06.562 --> 00:24:12.973
- what a streetlight is, what, because people just don't have that information and they don't have that

00:24:12.973 --> 00:24:19.257
- information and how are you supposed to put it where it says. So I think that's also the issue with

00:24:19.257 --> 00:24:25.731
- it as well is that- They're not labeled in any way? Visibly, we don't hold it in this. Yeah. Oh, okay.

00:24:25.731 --> 00:24:32.141
- Yeah. And then there's like endpoints on the Duke Energy flow, so that you can kind of guess where it

00:24:32.141 --> 00:24:34.718
- is. But that's not what the platform is.

00:24:35.458 --> 00:24:42.353
- We looked at a fair amount of information from Duke's site, and I think this will contribute to the

00:24:42.353 --> 00:24:49.386
- conversation for sure. I think we might have some more info on that as well. Given that we have a lot

00:24:49.386 --> 00:24:56.625
- of members of the public with interest and expertise in this item, I would move that after staff reports

00:24:56.625 --> 00:25:03.934
- here, remove the light pollution and dark sky resolution from new business D up to first in new business.

00:25:04.098 --> 00:25:14.357
- ahead of our idea and action requests. I'll second that. Jack, can we please vote on moving a new business

00:25:14.357 --> 00:25:24.138
- deal? Thank you. Very considerate of you, Matt. There's still some reports, but we'll get to it soon.

00:25:24.138 --> 00:25:33.630
- Yes. Martinez? Yes. Heslater? Yes. Owens? Yes. All right. Yes. Brown? Yes. Sinhal? Yes. Thank you.

00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:42.977
- All right. Are you all OK? Are you able to sit back a little bit more? OK. And thank you all for being

00:25:42.977 --> 00:25:50.392
- here, too. And you're all welcome to join us at the table when the time comes. It's great to have you

00:25:50.392 --> 00:25:57.952
- sitting with us while we talk this through. OK, well then. And there's plenty available. You don't have

00:25:57.952 --> 00:26:01.150
- to do anything. They're just there for you.

00:26:01.314 --> 00:26:07.540
- Um, okay. Well, then we're going to, to, let's do the next section of the agenda and then we'll be able

00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:13.108
- to get to that, um, location and competition a little bit. But as far as any, um, items from

00:26:13.108 --> 00:26:19.335
- the commissioners, nothing else wrapped up while we were chatting. Great. Okay. We've got staff reports

00:26:19.335 --> 00:26:25.321
- then. Jackie, is there anything that you, um, uh, Rachel's still out and, um, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

00:26:25.321 --> 00:26:28.734
- So now I'm getting late this week or this month. Um, if,

00:26:28.930 --> 00:26:35.313
- Thank you to those of you who sent stuff to me. I did try to make those attachments for all accessible,

00:26:35.313 --> 00:26:41.635
- but we don't technically have to do it until next year, which says practice. I reached out to Jennifer

00:26:41.635 --> 00:26:47.957
- Crossley about what kind of training everybody else is taking it. Like you guys are basically training

00:26:47.957 --> 00:26:54.217
- on how to do it in full docs. So we'll let you know as soon as I know. Yeah, I think that's basically

00:26:54.217 --> 00:26:57.470
- it. Congratulations, we love you. Thank you, Jackie.

00:26:57.826 --> 00:27:04.765
- And I thought Nidina was going to be here. I don't know if she's here. Maybe she's here. So if you guys

00:27:04.765 --> 00:27:11.571
- have questions for her, we'll do. Thanks so much. All right. Well then, and it sounds like we're able

00:27:11.571 --> 00:27:18.511
- to move through the planning and legal then and into the new business. Great. OK. Well, honestly, y'all

00:27:18.511 --> 00:27:23.582
- are welcome to join us at the table. I'm going to turn this over to Nidina.

00:27:24.802 --> 00:27:42.605
- This group, yeah, obviously we kind of jumped into another part of the conversation, so feel free to

00:27:42.605 --> 00:27:53.534
- lead it as you want. We should have a cookie if you want one.

00:27:56.962 --> 00:28:17.854
- Okay. It's an important role. He's been doing great at it.

00:28:17.986 --> 00:28:25.052
- Members of the Environmental Commission who have been interested in light pollution have been working

00:28:25.052 --> 00:28:32.048
- for the past couple months now with the Bloomington Commission on Sustainability and Resiliency. And

00:28:32.048 --> 00:28:39.114
- basically, the draft in front of us is kind of the product of that. Honestly, Zach, who was here with

00:28:39.114 --> 00:28:46.526
- us today, put in a lot of work, perhaps even a majority, on this resolution. So we're very, very grateful.

00:28:46.786 --> 00:28:54.838
- But we're kind of here to entertain any edits or suggestions that people may have. Essentially, the

00:28:54.838 --> 00:29:03.050
- goal that we've kind of had in mind is to get Blumchen certified with DarkStri to more or less reduce

00:29:03.050 --> 00:29:11.102
- the amount of light pollution that we're kind of contributing to the environment. This has a lot of

00:29:11.426 --> 00:29:17.931
- I'm not going to kind of rehash the whole draft, because I don't know if I'll do a good job, and I know

00:29:17.931 --> 00:29:24.249
- you wouldn't mind about it more. But essentially, it helps pollinators not to have so much light. It

00:29:24.249 --> 00:29:30.567
- helps animals. It helps us as well. We don't see the stars. It interferes with our REM sleep. And it

00:29:30.567 --> 00:29:37.135
- would be very nice if we can move toward this. It's kind of my thoughts. But I'm happy to open the floor

00:29:37.135 --> 00:29:40.638
- to all of you. I wanted to comment real quick about the

00:29:41.058 --> 00:29:48.418
- kind of unusual nature of how we're doing it. So we're trying to do this joint proposal thing. Our goal,

00:29:48.418 --> 00:29:55.498
- I think, is for us to talk about this now. And then if we have any questions, comments, concerns, to

00:29:55.498 --> 00:30:02.998
- address those before we have a future joint move in with both commissions, which hopefully will be smooth.

00:30:02.998 --> 00:30:10.078
- Yeah. So I think it'd still be of value to any questions or concerns we do have now to discuss them.

00:30:10.274 --> 00:30:16.758
- And in fact, what we're hoping to do at the end of the discussion is to advance this to a secondary.

00:30:16.758 --> 00:30:23.628
- And then basically, while both commissions are together in August, entertain amendments then and hopefully

00:30:23.628 --> 00:30:30.047
- pass the identical versions. So get everything we want to chat about out here, but also between now

00:30:30.047 --> 00:30:36.596
- and the joint meeting, you can study up and decide if you have more input. And back, I can interrupt.

00:30:36.596 --> 00:30:39.870
- Will the joint meeting be the second meeting? Yes.

00:30:40.002 --> 00:30:55.837
- And I think tentatively, that is 18th and 6th PM. Tentatively. Yeah. Well, wait. 15th, two days from

00:30:55.837 --> 00:31:09.790
- now? August. August. It's all right. It's all right. Reasonable concern. Yeah, 48 hours.

00:31:11.394 --> 00:31:17.782
- Yeah, so I guess if anyone has questions, comments, or concerns on the introduction or the resolution

00:31:17.782 --> 00:31:24.170
- itself. Can I just, so just to double check, so this was, I know that you all started working on this

00:31:24.170 --> 00:31:30.809
- a few months ago, and I know that our commissioners were talking through, was kind of doing some research

00:31:30.809 --> 00:31:37.197
- and sort of getting a baseline for it. When it came to the resolution, is that, my assumption is that

00:31:37.197 --> 00:31:40.830
- we basically took sort of the framework that you had laid

00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:46.982
- reiterated it to a degree? Were there any major changes or have there been overlapping drafts or how

00:31:46.982 --> 00:31:52.714
- did that come about? I'd be- So I wrote an initial draft. I had no idea you guys had been working on

00:31:52.714 --> 00:31:58.389
- something as well. So when I met you guys at the Earth Day thing, several of you mentioned that you

00:31:58.389 --> 00:32:04.234
- had been working on stuff so we should combine. So anyways, I came to the table with the draft already

00:32:04.234 --> 00:32:10.590
- written and we've gone through several different versions now and updated it substantially since then, I think.

00:32:11.106 --> 00:32:15.932
- But the base is the thing that I came with and just added tweaks and things. And we've added tons of

00:32:15.932 --> 00:32:20.710
- whereas clauses and stuff based on research that people have done and tweaked the language a little

00:32:20.710 --> 00:32:25.632
- bit. I think when I originally came, I had language that was more broad recommendations. And I changed

00:32:25.632 --> 00:32:30.553
- it into explicit things that we could put directly into the code based on feedback we've had from city

00:32:30.553 --> 00:32:35.523
- council members that they kind of want that. So the idea is that they can basically just copy and paste

00:32:35.523 --> 00:32:40.062
- this into the city code if they wanted to. Obviously, they might tweak things if they want to.

00:32:40.738 --> 00:32:45.904
- But there's a main main changes, I think, listen for getting somewhere. Since we started. Yeah, I think

00:32:45.904 --> 00:32:51.020
- that I think the version that you have in front of you now is the exact same version that we have that

00:32:51.020 --> 00:32:56.137
- we have a couple days ago. So we'll look at it from the same point at this stage. And the hope is that

00:32:56.137 --> 00:32:59.614
- once we get to that during the meeting that people in both sides have

00:32:59.842 --> 00:33:05.112
- chance to talk through things like that. We can sort of as a group introduce amendments and kind of

00:33:05.112 --> 00:33:10.751
- two meetings at the same time, one room, right? In terms of voting and stuff like that. And then hopefully

00:33:10.751 --> 00:33:16.021
- we stay in sync. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Well, obviously we've got the sort of question about the

00:33:16.021 --> 00:33:21.344
- inventory and how we're thinking about that. And we can definitely jump into that. But do any of the

00:33:21.344 --> 00:33:26.667
- other commissioners have points from the resolution they'd like to sort of bring up or talk about or

00:33:26.667 --> 00:33:27.774
- ask questions about?

00:33:28.162 --> 00:33:37.968
- question that will hopefully be easy. I was looking through like all the line changes to the code and

00:33:37.968 --> 00:33:47.390
- everything. And what's the difference? What's a fork handle? It's basically a measurement of like

00:33:47.586 --> 00:33:53.393
- How bright the thing is. It is slightly, it's different from... It's different to Lumens, but you can

00:33:53.393 --> 00:33:59.484
- convert that. Okay. Yeah. I was just trying to figure out what the difference between like 45 foot candles

00:33:59.484 --> 00:34:05.404
- and 45 foot candles. You can convert to Lux. Yes. Lux and Lumens is... You got super technical all this

00:34:05.404 --> 00:34:11.097
- stuff. Lux is Lumens over an area, if I remember. Yeah. It like takes into account, it's the amount

00:34:11.097 --> 00:34:13.374
- of light hitting a specific area. Okay.

00:34:13.794 --> 00:34:19.948
- But foot candles is what are used to measure light trespass. So light going from one property into somebody

00:34:19.948 --> 00:34:25.761
- else's property. Yeah. It's basically a measure of how much light is going. Where it shouldn't. Yeah.

00:34:25.761 --> 00:34:31.801
- Can you get an app in front to measure it, or do you need a special? Your camera is probably not accurate

00:34:31.801 --> 00:34:37.614
- enough to get an app. We have light readers, and they'll let you know when. It's already in code now.

00:34:37.614 --> 00:34:43.198
- There's no need to change. Yeah. And so we already use the light readers to enforce the code cap.

00:34:44.354 --> 00:34:50.371
- A side question, can citizens use it if they have a question about their neighbors' lighting? I think

00:34:50.371 --> 00:34:55.858
- they'll learn about it. I'll be able to hold them on Amazon. They're not, I don't know, it's

00:34:55.858 --> 00:35:01.875
- not a plant-based system. I bought like a kind of cheap one for like $20. It's just the most curious.

00:35:01.875 --> 00:35:07.833
- Yeah. Do those fit here in women's or like down? Maybe the pen. I think most of you can just look it

00:35:07.833 --> 00:35:09.662
- up and think which unit it is.

00:35:12.866 --> 00:35:18.346
- Um, back to the proposal. It's just, uh, most of the recommendations we're going to do at Bloomi can

00:35:18.346 --> 00:35:23.826
- do specifically. Yeah. And what are your thoughts on, like, involving Duke Energy? I think that they

00:35:23.826 --> 00:35:29.414
- would obviously have to be a player. As you mentioned, um, 95% of our street lights are known by Duke.

00:35:29.414 --> 00:35:34.840
- Um, so they would obviously have to be a player, but the city, what I'm essentially proposing we do

00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:40.862
- is we would add something to our contract with Duke, um, saying you have to set them up in a specific way. Um,

00:35:41.826 --> 00:35:48.270
- And I mean, they would kind of have to do that. So Duke would obviously be a player and they would need

00:35:48.270 --> 00:35:54.837
- to be involved in the process at some point. But I think that's further down the road if the city decides

00:35:54.837 --> 00:36:01.033
- to implement this, we can start those conversations. Yeah. Do you know of any cities that have that

00:36:01.033 --> 00:36:07.353
- kind of relationship with Duke for their energies? We would be among the largest cities in the United

00:36:07.353 --> 00:36:11.070
- States to have dark sky community status. There are others.

00:36:12.546 --> 00:36:18.696
- in primarily in the Southwest that are approximately the same size as, but that's not Duke. So I don't

00:36:18.696 --> 00:36:24.786
- know what Duke, what the relationship would be to something like this. I mean, I'm just guessing that

00:36:24.786 --> 00:36:30.756
- they're not gonna wanna lose the entire city of Bloomington as a customer. I mean, they might raise

00:36:30.756 --> 00:36:35.294
- costs or something. I don't know. I don't know exactly how that might work.

00:36:35.842 --> 00:36:41.412
- Because we would be the first entity. There's one other tiny town on Lake Michigan called Beverly Shores

00:36:41.412 --> 00:36:46.982
- that is a dark side community. That's the only other one. I don't have no idea whether they used openers

00:36:46.982 --> 00:36:52.498
- in there or not. We can maybe reach out to them and see. But like I said, a very small community, yeah.

00:36:52.498 --> 00:36:57.909
- So I don't know. We'd probably be in uncharted waters a little bit with Duke, at least. Yeah. That is

00:36:57.909 --> 00:37:00.190
- going to add something. Duke does not like

00:37:00.674 --> 00:37:07.175
- And then they're contracts, not all like contracts that we receive. The city signs is the same contract

00:37:07.175 --> 00:37:13.552
- that they would give you as an individual. And a lot of it, a lot of the language in there isn't even

00:37:13.552 --> 00:37:19.803
- like, it doesn't even follow the law. The IURC imposes certain rules. But another thing, I guess my

00:37:19.803 --> 00:37:26.242
- biggest concern with that is like getting them to change the language because they just like will not.

00:37:26.242 --> 00:37:30.430
- So that's one thing I've heard a lot. Like, yes, that's the point.

00:37:30.562 --> 00:37:37.488
- And if we are going to change streetlights, is that cost going to be on the city? Because if we decide

00:37:37.488 --> 00:37:44.212
- to change a streetlight, we have to pay for it. If it blows out or it falls over, Duke will pay for

00:37:44.212 --> 00:37:51.205
- it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there will be a cost associated with it. Yeah, yeah. Long-term, I think

00:37:51.205 --> 00:37:58.131
- our energy costs will go down, though, if we, but. My understanding is that regardless of the contract

00:37:58.131 --> 00:38:00.350
- we had, Duke still would have to

00:38:00.738 --> 00:38:08.319
- obey UDO, like the zoning. Yeah. So theoretically changing the zoning laws would produce slight trespass.

00:38:08.319 --> 00:38:15.828
- They don't still have to follow that? Yeah. So they follow the IORC and then some things they are exempt

00:38:15.828 --> 00:38:23.123
- from. Okay. So we would have to verify that. And they don't, we don't always agree with that. So then

00:38:23.123 --> 00:38:27.486
- that becomes an issue. Is that something that is sorted out?

00:38:27.778 --> 00:38:33.677
- in real time or at the end of 10-year leases? Oh, I think my old minds with it is going to be different

00:38:33.677 --> 00:38:39.349
- than my personal experience in DPW, but it's more, it's like case by case. Like when they build the

00:38:39.349 --> 00:38:45.021
- stuff, stuff's here off, but it was like some things they agreed to do, some things they didn't do.

00:38:45.021 --> 00:38:50.693
- They, in my experience, feel that they very much are. So they're planning both planning and zoning.

00:38:50.693 --> 00:38:56.478
- Cause you know, state-owned property isn't, other large places have been able to, or other large, um,

00:38:57.058 --> 00:39:04.686
- sort of maybe utilities or having people tell us to be exempted and they have in some place because

00:39:04.686 --> 00:39:12.315
- they're affiliated by that person. Your research on safety was interesting. It definitely increased

00:39:12.315 --> 00:39:20.248
- safety. I feel like that would be one of the main arguments against strategize. I anticipate that being

00:39:20.248 --> 00:39:26.046
- probably the biggest hurdle we'll have to go across is the public's sort of

00:39:26.850 --> 00:39:32.518
- signature, but yeah, their public perception that light equals safety, which isn't actually backed up

00:39:32.518 --> 00:39:38.187
- by, yeah, by science or data or anything. But it's hard to argue that with someone who has a visceral

00:39:38.187 --> 00:39:43.910
- emotional reaction to something. So how are we going to cross that bridge? That's another bridge we're

00:39:43.910 --> 00:39:49.467
- going to have to cross at some point. And again, I think that, I mean, it's good for us to consider

00:39:49.467 --> 00:39:55.358
- it now. It's good for us to consider a lot of this stuff now, but a lot of this stuff I think also can be

00:39:56.322 --> 00:40:02.334
- I mean, this would ideally go to the city council later. There's going to be a debate at the city council

00:40:02.334 --> 00:40:08.176
- when it goes there. There'll be more debate after this. And that's when we, I think, are going to need

00:40:08.176 --> 00:40:14.131
- to have the conversation about how we strategize tackling the notion that light equals safety. And that,

00:40:14.131 --> 00:40:19.916
- I think, is more the area we could go in. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd also volunteer that it isn't, you know,

00:40:19.916 --> 00:40:24.510
- we're not waging a war on light. We're waging a war on light that goes up. Yeah.

00:40:24.834 --> 00:40:31.371
- instruments are properly shielded, so the light is pointed down. If some can be on timers, if some can

00:40:31.371 --> 00:40:37.717
- be on dimmers, there's a whole bunch of control theoretically we could exert if we have the will to

00:40:37.717 --> 00:40:44.191
- make these changes up front. It's not about suddenly making scary places dark. It's about making sure

00:40:44.191 --> 00:40:48.062
- that that light isn't going up and affecting birds and bats.

00:40:48.162 --> 00:40:53.922
- and everything else. That's a great point because we're not trying to eliminate all light, we're just

00:40:53.922 --> 00:40:59.738
- trying to direct it to be the most helpful. There is some we would like to dim, there is some we would

00:40:59.738 --> 00:41:05.441
- like to change the light temperature on, there's a lot we would like to strategically direct, but it

00:41:05.441 --> 00:41:11.144
- isn't about making Bloomington dark. I love that clarification. I don't know if you wrote about that

00:41:11.144 --> 00:41:15.774
- in that proposal, but it might elicite some fears initially to have some of that.

00:41:16.546 --> 00:41:21.928
- And there is something, Dark Skies, on their website somewhere, we found this when we were looking at

00:41:21.928 --> 00:41:27.362
- this, they had a photo of someone, a garage with a floodlight coming off of it. And with the light on,

00:41:27.362 --> 00:41:32.797
- you see the light, you see where the light is going. And they show another picture with the light off,

00:41:32.797 --> 00:41:38.178
- and suddenly there's a man standing back behind the corner that you couldn't see at all. So your eyes

00:41:38.178 --> 00:41:43.771
- actually adjust to darkness. And when you have really strong differences between darkness and brightness,

00:41:43.771 --> 00:41:46.462
- it actually makes it harder for you to see things.

00:41:47.490 --> 00:41:55.324
- But it's hard to make people feel that when they feel that light is safety. So that'll be a challenge

00:41:55.324 --> 00:42:03.696
- for sure. I do have one thing to add about the safety issue. I think it's good to acknowledge the difference

00:42:03.696 --> 00:42:11.761
- between safety, between roadway safety and crime. Yeah. Because people can flame those together. Whereas

00:42:11.761 --> 00:42:12.990
- street lighting

00:42:13.666 --> 00:42:23.771
- doesn't necessarily affect the crime at all. There's been so many studies done that there's mixed results.

00:42:23.771 --> 00:42:33.405
- There is no direct answer. But there are studies that have been done that it does increase safety for

00:42:33.405 --> 00:42:43.038
- cars. Especially in Bloomington with all the raised crosswalks, I know that you could hit those going

00:42:43.266 --> 00:42:51.125
- Pretty fast in the don't even see him. That's also a concern. Yeah. Other comments from the commissioners

00:42:51.125 --> 00:42:58.612
- just to raise any topics that we haven't talked about yet. Really shouldn't talk about the inventory

00:42:58.612 --> 00:43:06.174
- thing, but this is kind of a question. You mentioned the temperature of the light. I know some people

00:43:06.174 --> 00:43:09.214
- have very strong feelings on the inside.

00:43:09.474 --> 00:43:16.128
- And I don't know how long ago it was, but they made that big shift across the U.S. from those yellowish,

00:43:16.128 --> 00:43:22.781
- warmer lights to the LED lights. I remember I said I could see some of it better. Is there a temperature

00:43:22.781 --> 00:43:29.118
- that kind of is the best? So this, in the packet that I, apparently some of the photos got cut off,

00:43:29.118 --> 00:43:35.518
- but I had a thing in there, in the packet. So the resolution would recommend that that one has very,

00:43:35.682 --> 00:43:41.084
- I didn't fully, but anyway. The resolution would recommend, let me just hold it there for a second.

00:43:41.084 --> 00:43:46.594
- So the resolution is, if this became city code, would say that the maximum color temperature would be

00:43:46.594 --> 00:43:52.157
- 3,000 Kelvin right here. Many of the lights that were introduced in recent years since the switch over

00:43:52.157 --> 00:43:57.667
- to LEDs is more in this range over here, which people hate, and I'm gonna, this chart down here tells

00:43:57.667 --> 00:44:03.285
- you why I'll tell you that in a second. And then it would also impose a requirement, a maximum of 2,200

00:44:03.285 --> 00:44:05.662
- Kelvin for environmentally sensitive areas.

00:44:05.858 --> 00:44:12.577
- So much more yellow, almost reddish light near environmental sensitive areas. This chart down here is

00:44:12.577 --> 00:44:19.231
- 311 complaints for bright glaring or obnoxious lights. In around 2022, the city started switching to

00:44:19.231 --> 00:44:26.082
- the LED lights from the old sodium style lights. Yeah, there we go. I'm going to try to share it. Cool,

00:44:26.082 --> 00:44:28.190
- that'd be great. Definitely do.

00:44:29.122 --> 00:44:34.558
- You can see right here, immediately when they started switching them, in the decade previous to them

00:44:34.558 --> 00:44:40.048
- starting to switch, they got an average of 11 complaints about brighter blaring lights a year on 311.

00:44:40.048 --> 00:44:45.431
- The moment they started switching, it shot up to like 100 a year. People hate these lights that are

00:44:45.431 --> 00:44:50.975
- out. And I think genuinely, this will be a very popular thing to switch to less bright blaring, warmer

00:44:50.975 --> 00:44:56.626
- color temperature lights. So I think if we can frame this the right way, genuinely will be very popular.

00:44:56.626 --> 00:44:57.918
- I mean, I remember that

00:44:58.178 --> 00:45:06.745
- I remember the ones they put it on at water like blue. I think I was in a video game and they must have

00:45:06.745 --> 00:45:15.147
- been responsive to complaints because they did change. I did do a couple. Um, well, I also just think

00:45:15.147 --> 00:45:23.631
- some of the contracts are online on the city website. I also did a public records for other contracts,

00:45:23.631 --> 00:45:24.702
- um, up until

00:45:25.314 --> 00:45:30.545
- Part way through last year, most of the lights that Duke was installing was in probably the 45,000 Kelvin

00:45:30.545 --> 00:45:35.578
- range, which is far on the right end of that. Recently, Duke on its own has started, without the city

00:45:35.578 --> 00:45:40.611
- requiring or asking, which we could do, that's what I'm saying, they started switching to 3000 Kelvin

00:45:40.611 --> 00:45:45.792
- lights. Because I think, and they did that on their own, I think because so many cities were complaining

00:45:45.792 --> 00:45:50.825
- about them and starting to ask and require it, that they just started doing it on their own, which is

00:45:50.825 --> 00:45:54.526
- why I think we should start asking and requiring things ourselves as well.

00:45:54.946 --> 00:46:00.370
- So they are responsive to complaints that also that point also is important to know because basically

00:46:00.370 --> 00:46:05.793
- they're already starting to replace the lights on a normal schedule with 3000 Kelvin lights. We would

00:46:05.793 --> 00:46:11.323
- just need to add like a physical thing over pointing the light down is the only real thing that they've

00:46:11.323 --> 00:46:13.982
- already switched to 3000 Kelvin for three plates.

00:46:14.306 --> 00:46:20.666
- So just adding a physical cover of some sort, which would have a cost for sure, but I think it would

00:46:20.666 --> 00:46:27.404
- be popular over it. That's something either the city can do or we can ask Duke to do. I don't know exactly

00:46:27.404 --> 00:46:33.701
- how it would work, but that's beautiful. Is there a monetary incentive for Duke to use the brighter

00:46:33.701 --> 00:46:39.998
- ones or is it boss-wise? It's the same. The LEDs are the same. I mean, the really low ones might be

00:46:39.998 --> 00:46:43.902
- more expensive than the $3,000 note. And I just think this is

00:46:44.194 --> 00:46:49.931
- aspirational, I guess, who knows to what extent the university will want to comply. But I just also

00:46:49.931 --> 00:46:55.667
- think there's a golden opportunity when we're lighting areas like the Arboretum or the Dunmetter or

00:46:55.667 --> 00:47:01.519
- places like the tailgate fields up by athletics or something. We're at a university that's colors are

00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.911
- green and crimson. We could do redder lights in areas that are full of critters and it would,

00:47:06.911 --> 00:47:12.763
- I don't know, save money, pay dividend, look cool. I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of interesting

00:47:12.763 --> 00:47:13.566
- options here.

00:47:13.826 --> 00:47:20.439
- But yeah, primarily we're hoping that the city is able to shield and keep the color temperature from

00:47:20.439 --> 00:47:27.248
- getting out of control on the lights. And that would go a long way to more pleasant lighting and energy

00:47:27.248 --> 00:47:33.861
- savings. And just to point out, I think the single strongest thing in this is a two-parter, a public

00:47:33.861 --> 00:47:40.409
- warrant for lighting. What that means is it would require, the city would put something in its code

00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:43.486
- saying, in order to install a light somewhere,

00:47:43.874 --> 00:47:50.131
- You have to have a strong reason for the light in that specific case. And you cannot just say, well,

00:47:50.131 --> 00:47:56.759
- safety or security. It cannot be vague. It has to be specific to that site. That's for all public lighting

00:47:56.759 --> 00:48:03.450
- in the city. Number two, near environmentally sensitive areas. It would be, you have to prove that lighting

00:48:03.450 --> 00:48:10.078
- is the only thing that can solve the problem. And this burden of proof would be on the city to prove that.

00:48:10.562 --> 00:48:17.156
- And if they can get over that burden, that threshold, they would then have to use the lowest Lehman

00:48:17.156 --> 00:48:23.881
- count and the lowest color temperature possible for that site to solve the problem. And I think those

00:48:23.881 --> 00:48:30.475
- two things alone would probably be the strongest thing in the entire religion, personally, in terms

00:48:30.475 --> 00:48:37.662
- of lowering unnecessary light, that plus the color temperature and the shielding and things like that. Yeah.

00:48:38.722 --> 00:48:46.388
- Do you have any consideration about IU? Yeah, we can't force them to do anything. The resolution isn't

00:48:46.388 --> 00:48:54.129
- just to go to city council, there's a whole lot of bodies that it will be sent to. To my understanding,

00:48:54.129 --> 00:49:01.721
- Zach's had some conversations with different groups, astronomy, a bunch of places that are interested

00:49:01.721 --> 00:49:06.782
- in being involved. One of the members of our commission last night,

00:49:07.490 --> 00:49:14.103
- Tuesday night, whatever, how many days of it. Had a good point that if the city adopts something like

00:49:14.103 --> 00:49:20.587
- this, we could theoretically kind of pull them along a little bit. Like once we show that it can be

00:49:20.587 --> 00:49:27.589
- done, like the university can maybe be pulled along as well. So I don't know, that's a thought to consider.

00:49:27.589 --> 00:49:34.203
- Is there like a dark campus equivalent? There are, but I think this week, I had a call with Mark Skye

00:49:34.203 --> 00:49:36.926
- and I would be by far the largest campus.

00:49:37.282 --> 00:49:43.705
- I think they're willing to assign status to almost anything that gives a certain bar. They have the

00:49:43.705 --> 00:49:50.192
- Red Sky Airport. They have the Dark Sky Stadium. If you can meet their standards, you can meet their

00:49:50.192 --> 00:49:57.001
- standards. My way of thinking about this one is on a sort of every little bit counts basis. In the middle

00:49:57.001 --> 00:50:02.974
- of Indiana's Sentinel landscape, we're surrounded by state parks. We're like, if we can make

00:50:03.202 --> 00:50:08.604
- The sky darker, it will be better for the humans and the non-humans alike. And on that point, so the

00:50:08.604 --> 00:50:13.952
- goal of this is to give the city the goal of getting dark sky status. I don't actually care whether

00:50:13.952 --> 00:50:19.301
- we get dark sky status, to be blunt. I care if we reduce light pollution. So this is one area where

00:50:19.301 --> 00:50:24.756
- even if we don't, it's good to give the city the goal of getting to dark sky status. That's good, but

00:50:24.756 --> 00:50:29.677
- if we can't get there and we only get 50% of the way there or 75% of the way there, we have

00:50:29.677 --> 00:50:32.030
- still meaningfully reduced light pollution.

00:50:32.834 --> 00:50:38.777
- the dark sky thing is just a thing like a cherry on top to make this like to dangle in front of the

00:50:38.777 --> 00:50:44.839
- city a little bit to try to maybe anyway we could put a sign in front of her as people come into this

00:50:44.839 --> 00:50:50.841
- you know the things that he likes but anyway do you have a sense of if the status would be more of a

00:50:50.841 --> 00:50:57.022
- driver than the improved quality of nature it can be both yeah and it depends on receiving it as far as

00:50:57.378 --> 00:51:02.724
- pitching it and it like leading with this is what we're trying to accomplish. Do you feel like the status

00:51:02.724 --> 00:51:07.867
- would be something that people would be more brought in by then? It's good. It's good for the people.

00:51:07.867 --> 00:51:13.062
- Unfortunately, I think some people would be the former. They would rather have the be able to say that

00:51:13.062 --> 00:51:18.104
- they got a sign to put on the front of the city. But like when you come to the city for certain, it

00:51:18.104 --> 00:51:23.299
- depends on who you're talking to. Yeah. Yeah. For me, I care about the ladder. Yeah. Yeah. I was just,

00:51:23.299 --> 00:51:24.862
- I was thinking about just even

00:51:25.250 --> 00:51:30.662
- Even just simple things like the title, like minimalizing life solution, attaining dark space certification,

00:51:30.662 --> 00:51:35.975
- and just thinking whose, whose brains, whose eyes, you know, would respond to either of those and wouldn't

00:51:35.975 --> 00:51:40.891
- be the immediate, but they come with, you know, either of those. Yes. It's likely not going to be,

00:51:40.891 --> 00:51:45.906
- you know, perfect for any one individual, but there was a lot of consideration given between titles,

00:51:45.906 --> 00:51:51.020
- whereas clauses, so they're trying to see, you know, what moves who. It was, uh, many, many iterations

00:51:51.020 --> 00:51:52.510
- we, we arrived at this. Yeah.

00:51:53.314 --> 00:52:00.519
- So this really interesting point about how the lower amount of light will actually reduce the like severe

00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:07.587
- pollen season, which I feel is like a big sell here. Yeah, that's the one. It's like, even if you don't

00:52:07.587 --> 00:52:14.520
- care about the animal, you know. It's shocking. I was kind of shocked by how much pollen is produced.

00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:19.550
- Yeah, hearing how much artificial light extended the pollen season wasn't

00:52:19.874 --> 00:52:27.558
- It wasn't a surprise that it happened. It was a surprise. It was by nearly two months. Yeah. Yeah. It

00:52:27.558 --> 00:52:35.392
- was an average three days. Yeah, it was the previous. Neighborhood competition starts by neighborhoods.

00:52:35.392 --> 00:52:42.925
- Yeah. That would be the target. Yeah. Yeah. At the Neighborhood Association. I think we got that. I

00:52:42.925 --> 00:52:49.630
- think we're going to want to move that we advance this resolution to the second reading.

00:52:50.402 --> 00:53:09.089
- Second. Wait, who moved? I did. I think that that could be a huge either stopping point or a sticking

00:53:09.089 --> 00:53:17.150
- point as far as how much. Under section 2A,

00:53:17.378 --> 00:53:23.244
- The first thing that it says in the general recommendation is recommending a full inventory of all city-owned

00:53:23.244 --> 00:53:28.683
- lights, because as you said, it's kind of a cluster right now. Duke does own about 95% of the lights.

00:53:28.683 --> 00:53:34.069
- From what we can find, that you found a data set, I found it, I did a public record to request for a

00:53:34.069 --> 00:53:39.401
- data set, but we see two separate ones from the city that do not match. We found one from Duke that

00:53:39.401 --> 00:53:44.574
- doesn't have the same lights that are in the other two data sets, so they're all over the place.

00:53:44.834 --> 00:53:49.753
- And so absolutely the city should have an inventory of his life and they need that needs to be like

00:53:49.753 --> 00:53:54.671
- the first thing they do. Um, and so that would have a cost to obviously, but I think the city would

00:53:54.671 --> 00:53:59.590
- benefit from knowing where the lights are and where there is a cost to not. Yeah. As you mentioned,

00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:05.246
- like there were, we're paying for things that aren't actually there in some spots. Like one person who's doing it.

00:54:05.410 --> 00:54:10.119
- Yeah, it was assigned to that. Yeah. Well, we would need to invest more in it, obviously, to do a full

00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.690
- inventory on but long term. I think the city would benefit enormously from knowing where the actual

00:54:14.690 --> 00:54:19.308
- lights are Even divorced from light efficiency. Yeah, they should know this is just about government

00:54:19.308 --> 00:54:22.782
- efficiency. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's crazy to me that we don't have a

00:54:22.946 --> 00:54:27.560
- Yeah. The city's own inventory. So like they sent me a map showing here's where all the streetlights

00:54:27.560 --> 00:54:32.220
- are in the city. And then I found another one that said, here's where all the streetlights are in the

00:54:32.220 --> 00:54:36.834
- city. And they don't, there's like zero percent overlap between them. And then none of them included

00:54:36.834 --> 00:54:41.768
- any of the lights in the park and park lights. So it's like, that's a completely different dataset floating

00:54:41.768 --> 00:54:46.657
- somewhere. I have no idea where. And then Duke Energy had, we pulled from their website, thanks to Justin,

00:54:46.657 --> 00:54:51.134
- all the data from that. And it only matched on like, like it had all of the Duke lights, but then

00:54:51.490 --> 00:54:58.209
- Only some of the city lights are on there. It's marked as city light. Anyways, we don't know where the

00:54:58.209 --> 00:55:05.124
- lights are. It's not like there's not an active requirement for us to have a full street light inventory.

00:55:05.124 --> 00:55:11.648
- It's just a thing on the list that we're getting to as quickly as we can with a single person doing

00:55:11.648 --> 00:55:18.367
- multiple things. So some of these, like, sheds light on this? As the resolution goes, it's recommended

00:55:18.367 --> 00:55:19.998
- actions. They might not.

00:55:20.290 --> 00:55:27.591
- choose to do all of them. The main reason I was pushing it to a vote is we have a fair amount of agenda

00:55:27.591 --> 00:55:35.102
- left and there's still a whole month worth of time to scour over the document, plan any potential language

00:55:35.102 --> 00:55:42.262
- you might want for an amendment and such. Yeah, I don't want to cut anyone off though. Is there a new

00:55:42.262 --> 00:55:48.510
- important thought before I move once again? My concern is how long that's going to take.

00:55:48.610 --> 00:55:55.102
- in touring, like there's thousands of them. It's gonna take months, maybe even one year. This calls

00:55:55.102 --> 00:56:01.659
- for asking for 70% compliance within three years and full compliance within five years. So you would

00:56:01.659 --> 00:56:08.411
- have several years to get there. At least it's according to this timeline that I kind of laid out based

00:56:08.411 --> 00:56:15.033
- on the ArcSci's requirements. So we would have a couple of years. But yes, it would be a large scale.

00:56:15.033 --> 00:56:17.630
- Yeah, and as Zach previously mentioned,

00:56:18.178 --> 00:56:24.101
- If those benchmarks aren't hit by that time, we're still reducing light pollution. Yeah. Um, what's

00:56:24.101 --> 00:56:30.203
- that gonna ask? What would the trend been looking at, Matt, this whole time of where a lot of the dark

00:56:30.203 --> 00:56:36.422
- sky places are and trying to figure out where else besides Flagstaff are like kind of the bigger cities.

00:56:36.422 --> 00:56:41.694
- Cause I was curious because it looks like Flagstaff is ground zero for this. I think so.

00:56:41.858 --> 00:56:46.679
- There aren't really other, I was trying to figure out if there were other examples of like cities that

00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.500
- came into this that had to do the conversion thing versus like Flagstaff is like, oh, we invented this

00:56:51.500 --> 00:56:56.228
- thing. Right. So. They had to do conversion, what do you mean? Well, it looks like Flagstaff was the

00:56:56.228 --> 00:57:01.096
- very first dark sky. Like that's where all that stuff, but like a bigger city that's like kind of going

00:57:01.096 --> 00:57:03.998
- through older. Bigger cities we would try to figure out like.

00:57:04.482 --> 00:57:10.036
- What was the process that they went through of getting their lights converted and all of that kind of

00:57:10.036 --> 00:57:15.699
- stuff? If there were examples we could talk to or pull from, but if it's only Blackstaff, I don't know.

00:57:15.699 --> 00:57:21.144
- We'd be among the mixed, yeah. Yeah. It could be placed in the trail. Is there anything else that's

00:57:21.144 --> 00:57:26.915
- like, when I was like, poking through the clock, it was like, even more urban places, it was like, highly

00:57:26.915 --> 00:57:28.222
- sacred. Yeah, they are.

00:57:28.418 --> 00:57:37.387
- Light pollution first, dark sky second. Again, it may not even be technically feasible, just given the

00:57:37.387 --> 00:57:46.182
- light that comes off of India. But still, we're trying to do our work. Yeah, achieving status is the

00:57:46.182 --> 00:57:52.190
- cherry on top. This is all very helpful. As far as any, I think that

00:57:52.418 --> 00:57:57.353
- I mean, I understand that you all have been talking to lots of different folks in different ways. Just

00:57:57.353 --> 00:58:02.193
- while we have you here, as far as like any thoughts that you want to share with us before we move to

00:58:02.193 --> 00:58:07.128
- the next item, are there any other things that you would recommend that we, I don't know if you've had

00:58:07.128 --> 00:58:11.967
- the chance to read? I don't think our documents were up on the web just yet, but are there any other

00:58:11.967 --> 00:58:16.807
- thoughts that we've not discussed that you would like us to kind of keep in mind as we start getting

00:58:16.807 --> 00:58:21.790
- together to discuss this? Knowing who the city staff are and that, do you think they're inviting? Yeah.

00:58:22.402 --> 00:58:29.759
- There's a few people that do it. I don't know if you got back down earlier, but and talking to those

00:58:29.759 --> 00:58:37.553
- people because they're probably going to be the ones that have to do. Unless they get someone. Or interns.

00:58:37.553 --> 00:58:44.983
- I'm trying to look at the GIS project for the university, get a group of students together, go around

00:58:44.983 --> 00:58:47.678
- on their bikes, take all the points.

00:58:47.906 --> 00:58:54.109
- You know, it's a good problem for us in other ways to neighborhood association. We're going to just

00:58:54.109 --> 00:59:00.374
- map all the streetlights in our neighborhood. You know, that could be given to the city. I'm sure we

00:59:00.374 --> 00:59:06.639
- can get maybe some social collaboration, which would be maybe use the burden. And I use strong means

00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.182
- here they they might be willing to help.

00:59:09.634 --> 00:59:14.951
- I did reach out to them about, because it's part of the, to get to exercise with the vacation EFM on

00:59:14.951 --> 00:59:20.321
- regular skylight monitoring program. So I did reach out to them to see if they would be theoretically

00:59:20.321 --> 00:59:25.691
- interested in handling that. I mean, they obviously didn't firmly commit to it, but they were very on

00:59:25.691 --> 00:59:30.955
- board with the idea. So maybe we could lasso them. You know, when we were doing the, when they were

00:59:30.955 --> 00:59:36.483
- preparing the climate action plan, we're doing the heat mapping and things like that. That was something

00:59:36.483 --> 00:59:37.694
- where the city sort of

00:59:37.826 --> 00:59:43.848
- coordinated it, but then had volunteers come in and drive around or, you know, put things up or whatever.

00:59:43.848 --> 00:59:49.756
- So that is kind of an interesting idea of if this is something where the inventory is just not feasible

00:59:49.756 --> 00:59:55.721
- with a single employee for a single apartment. Yeah. Thinking about how can neighborhoods or individuals

00:59:55.721 --> 01:00:01.005
- who are interested in participating be volunteered? Yeah. I mean, assessor should factor in.

01:00:01.005 --> 01:00:06.686
- Before and after, thanks, Tim. Yeah. One more thing, sorry. I didn't mean to dominate your turning.

01:00:07.778 --> 01:00:13.920
- One forced while we're talking about staffing issues, we are meeting our two permissions can leave the

01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:20.122
- dark sky application process and shepherd them through the city staff does not have to do that. If they

01:00:20.122 --> 01:00:26.145
- want to, they can. But we are. Anyway, that's I figured that was fine. But we are able to do that on

01:00:26.145 --> 01:00:29.246
- our own. That's a that's a potential selling point.

01:00:31.746 --> 01:00:38.292
- Is there a cross associated with this? I don't think so. Gosh, James, that's right. Yeah. I can also

01:00:38.292 --> 01:00:44.969
- look into that again, but I don't think so. I think there's applications being added. Maybe, I'll look

01:00:44.969 --> 01:00:51.191
- into that again, Todd. There's a certain number of applications. Yeah. What if we're out there,

01:00:51.191 --> 01:00:56.830
- and we say, that'd be C budget. Okay. I'm not going to get you around there. Oh, yeah.

01:00:57.698 --> 01:01:11.482
- Yes, but I'm happy to do it again. I will move that we advance this resolution to a second reading.

01:01:11.482 --> 01:01:26.782
- I'll second. Well, we're in the middle of that one. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Martinez? Yes. Professor? Yes.

01:01:27.170 --> 01:01:34.780
- Ellen? Yes. All right. Yes. Brown? Brown, yes. All right. Yes. So good. Yes. Great. OK. Great. Well,

01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:42.918
- thank you so much. Thanks for coming in. Thank you all for having a great conversation. Thank you. Awesome.

01:01:42.918 --> 01:01:50.603
- Yeah, it's great. Awesome. I was just like, it's very enlightening if you get to sit up for a moment.

01:01:50.603 --> 01:01:56.254
- You're the one that I'm afraid of. That's OK. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I'm OK.

01:01:57.026 --> 01:02:04.443
- You know, we're going to make it sweet. Oh, sure. Speaking of which, that's the next thing on the list.

01:02:04.443 --> 01:02:11.647
- Shh. Just leave the goodness out. All right. OK, well then, we are going to go ahead and keep moving

01:02:11.647 --> 01:02:19.064
- through. Members of the public, you're welcome to go if you'd like. But you still have to stay and have

01:02:19.064 --> 01:02:25.982
- cookies. So you can only have one cookie for the road. No more. Thank you. Thank you. OK, great.

01:02:26.082 --> 01:02:32.160
- for taking the time for that conversation. I feel like it's a really exciting idea. And I think there's

01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:38.239
- a lot of different ways to make this possible. So cool. Great. OK. Well then, oh, you may remember that

01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:44.200
- there was an email that went through. And there was some requested homework for the EC. So if you are

01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:48.350
- suddenly feeling nervous that you don't remember that, I will clarify.

01:02:48.834 --> 01:02:54.354
- So one of the things that I love about this group is that we each year sit down and think about what

01:02:54.354 --> 01:03:00.201
- are we going to focus on next year? How do we want to spend our time? What things are we going to produce?

01:03:00.201 --> 01:03:05.775
- Whatever. And it's a lot of fun. And we have a bunch of new commissioners that are within their first

01:03:05.775 --> 01:03:11.295
- couple of years of being on EC right now. And so my pitch was to have folks come in tonight. And I'm

01:03:11.295 --> 01:03:16.869
- not going to make you go around and say it, but I would love if you would volunteer. My request is to

01:03:16.869 --> 01:03:17.470
- have like,

01:03:17.666 --> 01:03:23.305
- One or two topics that is for you to have mine right now as far as environmental or or sustainability

01:03:23.305 --> 01:03:28.888
- or you know whatever whatever way you kind of want to shape it, but a theme that makes sense for the

01:03:28.888 --> 01:03:30.270
- EC to be thinking about.

01:03:30.754 --> 01:03:35.865
- And ideally, it'd be a topic that you personally are interested in. Part of what we do in the coming

01:03:35.865 --> 01:03:41.078
- year is identify, are there things we want to do? And having people who care about that topic is super

01:03:41.078 --> 01:03:46.138
- important for making it happen. So if we don't have anyone who's into the life solution topic, it's

01:03:46.138 --> 01:03:51.603
- not going to go anywhere because there's no one who's just waking up going, let's have these conversations,

01:03:51.603 --> 01:03:56.866
- which is great. So I'd love if any of you have any thoughts on a topic that really matters to you. It's

01:03:56.866 --> 01:04:00.510
- not committing at all, but it's just putting it out on the table for us

01:04:00.706 --> 01:04:07.600
- or play a little? And ideally, my request was, is there any kind of small action that you associate

01:04:07.600 --> 01:04:14.631
- with that idea that could be something we think about if we want to put it on the list for the coming

01:04:14.631 --> 01:04:22.145
- year or even in the coming months? Does that make sense? So my idea is item B. I really think it's important

01:04:22.145 --> 01:04:29.246
- that this commission expand the efforts of outreach. And we can talk about that in item B if you want.

01:04:29.602 --> 01:04:36.086
- You know, I discussed with the city, they're, they've given us some green light to do outreach and create

01:04:36.086 --> 01:04:42.202
- emotional materials. And my thought is we could put these in my cafes, we could put them, you know,

01:04:42.202 --> 01:04:48.931
- in an employee room, you know, break rooms. You know, anywhere where there might be, I have environmentalists

01:04:48.931 --> 01:04:54.558
- found, that's where we should be targeting. So, but we can discuss that in D if you'd like.

01:04:55.522 --> 01:05:00.726
- piggyback on that a little bit. Cause one of the thoughts I have is specifically targeting outreach.

01:05:00.726 --> 01:05:06.188
- Cause a lot of the stuff we've done previously is like at big events where we get to talk to individuals,

01:05:06.188 --> 01:05:11.444
- but trying to target like groups as well. Whether it's like, I don't care. It's much easier to try to

01:05:11.444 --> 01:05:16.597
- talk to churches or things like that. But some people could mobilize theoretically a large group of

01:05:16.597 --> 01:05:21.904
- people at one time, or at least like get them all on the hook for something at one time, if we get the

01:05:21.904 --> 01:05:23.038
- whole group involved.

01:05:23.426 --> 01:05:29.353
- Um, and figure out ways to do that. Yeah. And it's like group outreach a little more effectively. This

01:05:29.353 --> 01:05:35.394
- is kind of my, uh, bug bearer about this is that at, uh, three-fourths of measurement, uh, three-fourths

01:05:35.394 --> 01:05:41.321
- the capacity, we're running at three-fourths the strength. Like if we had four more people, the amount

01:05:41.321 --> 01:05:47.075
- of things we could do as a group would just, would be that much stronger. So I think like it should

01:05:47.075 --> 01:05:51.966
- be kind of our priority to get to at least full, close to full strength as possible.

01:05:52.674 --> 01:05:59.971
- It becomes something that allows us to more easily comment to table and also to introduce new ideas

01:05:59.971 --> 01:06:07.414
- and new polls. We also don't have to be concerned every time we meet whether or not we reach more and

01:06:07.414 --> 01:06:15.149
- we really conduct business. That's great. I like that y'all are thinking about how we just are a presence

01:06:15.149 --> 01:06:19.454
- in our community and how we're engaging people a bit more.

01:06:19.906 --> 01:06:26.794
- Great. Are there other things people want to contribute? I may or may not have understood the assignment

01:06:26.794 --> 01:06:33.419
- properly. So things that I was thinking about was just the importance of native plants and trying to

01:06:33.419 --> 01:06:40.176
- preserve mature trees, because I love how much planting the city does, but I hate seeing big trees get

01:06:40.176 --> 01:06:47.064
- cut down. Those aren't specifically action-oriented for us. Those are just two things I'm thinking about

01:06:47.064 --> 01:06:48.638
- that you may or may not

01:06:48.802 --> 01:06:55.900
- shape some kind of future endeavor. The only related possible action item that came to mind was maybe

01:06:55.900 --> 01:07:02.998
- it would be possible to collaborate, whether it's with Canobie or any other local groups to see if we

01:07:02.998 --> 01:07:09.957
- could target plantings within a corridor of our connectivity map. See if we can collaborate in that

01:07:09.957 --> 01:07:16.985
- way. Be strategic with plantings, whether it's trees or anything else or different groups, churches,

01:07:16.985 --> 01:07:18.238
- schools, whoever.

01:07:18.370 --> 01:07:25.520
- Um, to kind of look at what we already know about, about areas that we consider, you know, priority

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:32.741
- green spaces for connectivity and see if we can't harness, um, any other partners in, in the helping

01:07:32.741 --> 01:07:40.105
- plant in those areas specifically. I'll be back again. Because bringing that canopy in like partnering

01:07:40.105 --> 01:07:42.750
- with them to try and like, you know,

01:07:42.946 --> 01:07:49.389
- Find places to plant things that would help connect every plan. The other idea I had was, like, trying

01:07:49.389 --> 01:07:55.706
- to find ways to be a facilitator between, like, the community and things like Riverwatch or the weed

01:07:55.706 --> 01:08:02.274
- rankings or anything like that. Figuring out how, like, we can use our role of, like, we know what all's

01:08:02.274 --> 01:08:03.838
- going on. Yeah, we know.

01:08:04.098 --> 01:08:10.714
- You're a person here talking to us. Why don't you go do these other things that would help the environment

01:08:10.714 --> 01:08:16.526
- and the community? Here's all these opportunities and things. So you're talking about getting

01:08:16.526 --> 01:08:22.833
- our commissioner announcements in front of other groups. Yes. I love it. That's great. Other thoughts

01:08:22.833 --> 01:08:29.078
- from folks? Other things that are like top of mind for you? Okay. I have one then. Um, and this is a

01:08:29.078 --> 01:08:30.686
- little bit because of my.

01:08:31.106 --> 01:08:36.885
- my involvement with the radio station, but I just talked to somebody from the Plastic Reduction Alliance.

01:08:36.885 --> 01:08:42.500
- It's a nonprofit up in the Valparaiso area. And they're, they're basically the, from my understanding,

01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:47.952
- really the only organization of their type for Indiana. And it's around, I mean, they do stuff with

01:08:47.952 --> 01:08:53.949
- education. They do stuff with like cleaning up at the dune. They do, they're kind of led by some researchers.

01:08:53.949 --> 01:08:58.910
- So they do a lot about looking into like microplastics, nanoplastics and things like that.

01:08:59.426 --> 01:09:06.122
- As you may know, Indiana has a awesome law that makes it so that we can't ban, practically ban plastic

01:09:06.122 --> 01:09:12.559
- bag use or D, I guess, I guess fine for plastic bag, whatever. There are a lot of things that are,

01:09:12.559 --> 01:09:19.320
- I think, right in front of us that can be ways to reduce unnecessary plastic use. And I think that some

01:09:19.320 --> 01:09:26.082
- of the even legislation around plastic use or non-plastic use are things that I'd be interested in like

01:09:26.082 --> 01:09:27.902
- talking about because it is

01:09:28.290 --> 01:09:33.493
- I think it's a timely topic and something that we really, um, uh, there's a lot of people that care

01:09:33.493 --> 01:09:38.956
- about it. So for me, I think plastic is something that we've not talked about before, but it's something

01:09:38.956 --> 01:09:44.367
- I think about constantly. So that's a topic for me. And I think that, I think collaboration is the name

01:09:44.367 --> 01:09:49.727
- of the game with this group. We're volunteering our time. We do not need to invent things from scratch

01:09:49.727 --> 01:09:54.930
- when there are people or organizations who are already either leading the way or very interested in

01:09:54.930 --> 01:09:55.710
- collaborating.

01:09:56.290 --> 01:10:01.893
- Um, the other thing that I've been thinking about, and I don't really have like a action for it, but

01:10:01.893 --> 01:10:07.607
- it's something I want to think about as a group is the environmental implications of AI. I think about

01:10:07.607 --> 01:10:13.210
- it, I think about it more than anything about plastic, which is a whole lot, but it's something that

01:10:13.210 --> 01:10:19.202
- I, I would be interested in having a conversation about. Is that something that we want to make a statement

01:10:19.202 --> 01:10:23.806
- about? Is it something that we want to talk about on, and then we want the city or

01:10:24.002 --> 01:10:30.808
- counsel to be aware of? Is it something that we want to have? I don't know, any other stance

01:10:30.808 --> 01:10:38.199
- or recommendations or maybe like guiding concepts or philosophies, anything like that. I think about

01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:45.883
- it all the time and that's something that if somebody said, can we do something, I would say, heck yeah.

01:10:45.883 --> 01:10:51.518
- So those are my two topics. For what it's worth, before their summer recess,

01:10:51.618 --> 01:11:00.003
- council did pass a resolution about AI and basically, I don't remember the phrasing, it was council

01:11:00.003 --> 01:11:08.389
- member Rolo who proposed it and he had experts available and a lot of other stuff, but I think they

01:11:08.389 --> 01:11:17.361
- unanimously passed. It wasn't exactly a moratorium, but it was a resolution kind of opposing this careless

01:11:17.361 --> 01:11:19.038
- expansion of AI and

01:11:19.426 --> 01:11:28.307
- And like data centers and stuff. It was it like data center specific stuff, or was it like integrating

01:11:28.307 --> 01:11:37.101
- AI technology into city? It was going to say that I watched the meeting, but I can't remember all the

01:11:37.101 --> 01:11:42.878
- specifics. More along the lines of what you just said. Okay. Okay.

01:11:43.266 --> 01:11:49.640
- the Hoosier Environmental Council, they put together a lot of materials on data center stuff, because

01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:56.390
- it's been a front-line issue. Yeah. So I don't think the resolution the City Council passed was environment

01:11:56.390 --> 01:12:02.639
- first, everything else second, but I know it was a consideration. I know that it was mentioned, the

01:12:02.639 --> 01:12:08.951
- environmental arms as well as other societal arms. So it could be something to look back at and find

01:12:08.951 --> 01:12:12.638
- the text of that resolution and see if not that that would

01:12:12.802 --> 01:12:18.038
- satisfy what you're looking for, but at least it'd be a jumping off point. Be like, oh, hey, I see you

01:12:18.038 --> 01:12:23.376
- guys just did this. Can we, can we keep talking about it? And especially the environmental events. Yeah.

01:12:23.376 --> 01:12:28.206
- Yeah. And I think that like data centers is, it's, it's a whole conversation and an AI is also

01:12:28.206 --> 01:12:33.341
- a conversation. It's definitely something that's like in front of my eyes for public people. Cause I

01:12:33.341 --> 01:12:38.526
- had a landowner turn up, almost blew up at me this week because he thought my sample was data center.

01:12:38.626 --> 01:12:43.986
- I had to knock them down. Yeah. And it's really interesting. I would pass the mic to whoever else wants

01:12:43.986 --> 01:12:49.347
- to share, but I think it's really interesting that there's so many people from an individual basis have

01:12:49.347 --> 01:12:54.707
- their own personal, here's what I hate or fear or know is dangerous or whatever it is. But then as soon

01:12:54.707 --> 01:12:59.913
- as it kind of moves into a larger body, it gets a lot more nebulous as far as what is okay? What are

01:12:59.913 --> 01:13:05.170
- we talking about? What are alternatives? What are hard lines? What are all of those things? So I just

01:13:05.170 --> 01:13:07.902
- find it super interesting. And I think that there's,

01:13:08.354 --> 01:13:13.061
- there are a lot of different conversations that the EC could have if they want to. So, yeah. I think

01:13:13.061 --> 01:13:17.954
- my other part of that is, you know, people will say, I don't want the data center, but at the same time,

01:13:17.954 --> 01:13:22.660
- I'll hop on the computer, go to some AI platform. You know, hey, I don't have this problem with this

01:13:22.660 --> 01:13:27.460
- question. At the same time, I don't want to say I'm going to want it right here. That's exactly right.

01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:32.307
- And then what community does get this, you know, imposed on them. And what is that for? I know we don't

01:13:32.307 --> 01:13:34.590
- say the EJ word out loud here, but we, you know,

01:13:34.914 --> 01:13:42.910
- it is definitely a concern that way, too, of which communities are being put in that harmful situation.

01:13:42.910 --> 01:13:50.907
- It's a very not-in-the-backyard position. I dedicated a whole meeting we just had in that conversation.

01:13:50.907 --> 01:13:58.673
- If we want to make a statement like laying out that as well. One thing about data centers, there was

01:13:58.673 --> 01:14:04.670
- a state law recently passed that there's a tax incentive to convert old minds

01:14:05.346 --> 01:14:13.160
- into data centers and you know, we have around here. And it was, that was done by Cook. She was from

01:14:13.160 --> 01:14:20.896
- Lawrence County, also a bunch of quarries. And so, yeah, that is a concern of mine, what they could

01:14:20.896 --> 01:14:28.864
- possibly do here. But I'm pretty sure there's already a moratorium on data centers in Bloomington that

01:14:28.864 --> 01:14:30.334
- was like past like

01:14:30.914 --> 01:14:36.711
- Three years ago or so. We only had one. It was expiring this summer though. Oh, great. I think that

01:14:36.711 --> 01:14:42.741
- was part of what prompted even the Council on Derellas was more about AGI than anything else. But like,

01:14:42.741 --> 01:14:48.654
- I think that was to put it back on the table as well, to redraw attention to it because it was either

01:14:48.654 --> 01:14:54.046
- a two or three year mortgage and whatever it was, it was running out. There's only one here.

01:14:54.306 --> 01:15:00.486
- data center. Yeah, I feel like that's Bloomington. The university has a data center over there that

01:15:00.486 --> 01:15:06.728
- leads to the hospital. It's been there for years and it's not grand. It's not that big. It's more of

01:15:06.728 --> 01:15:12.969
- just like a building with a super computer in it and understanding. Yeah, it's just not like a small

01:15:12.969 --> 01:15:19.334
- campus. I feel like in the city limits, it's probably a very attractive spot for a data center because

01:15:19.334 --> 01:15:23.166
- they want lots of land for cheap. Yeah, and also Bloomington.

01:15:23.298 --> 01:15:29.235
- is its own. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. I think that that's a part of it too, is what makes sense for

01:15:29.235 --> 01:15:35.288
- us to really try and make a statement and whereas it's like, sure, fine, make that statement, but that's

01:15:35.288 --> 01:15:41.225
- probably not the biggest concern or the highest impact that we're going to feel. The county maybe, but

01:15:41.225 --> 01:15:47.277
- we're in the city. Okay. Well, thanks for undertaking this conversation. I appreciate that. Other things

01:15:47.277 --> 01:15:52.926
- that people have on their mental list that are standing out to them these days that will be worth

01:15:53.986 --> 01:15:59.647
- in tune to keep around in conversation? Yeah, I kind of was a bit more, when I was thinking about it,

01:15:59.647 --> 01:16:05.530
- I was thinking about where we're standing currently with outreach and then we talked about more outreach,

01:16:05.530 --> 01:16:11.468
- but with where we're at now with a lot of our stuff coming through these tabling events, I kind of focused

01:16:11.468 --> 01:16:17.018
- a little bit more on that and kind of what we can provide at a tabling event. For me, water is kind

01:16:17.018 --> 01:16:22.624
- of what interests me. So, you know, runoff related, stream related, you know, I think one of the big

01:16:22.624 --> 01:16:23.678
- ones is, you know,

01:16:23.970 --> 01:16:29.410
- People don't always know where, where it goes. Um, you know, I think easy materials would be something

01:16:29.410 --> 01:16:35.219
- like the layout of Bloomington and where all the different areas flow to it. So you can see your neighborhood

01:16:35.219 --> 01:16:40.553
- and say, Oh, my runoff goes to Jackson or all my runoff goes here. And it just kind of makes it more

01:16:40.553 --> 01:16:45.835
- kind of relevant to you that anything that goes down to this train in front of my house is going to

01:16:45.835 --> 01:16:51.169
- end up in the playground that we go to in the afternoon to get something like that. It just makes it

01:16:51.169 --> 01:16:53.598
- a little bit more in the front of the mind on

01:16:53.762 --> 01:16:59.749
- you know, while you're grasping, they're all in the sucker living industry, they're all like, you know,

01:16:59.749 --> 01:17:05.563
- the candy wrapper you got, all that's going to end up there at some point. So just, you know, simple

01:17:05.563 --> 01:17:11.377
- handouts for information on, you know, what goes where and what's bad to go in those places, I think

01:17:11.377 --> 01:17:17.249
- would be an easy kind of educational material. You may have done something like that in the past when

01:17:17.249 --> 01:17:22.430
- I looked through before I didn't see that specifically, but. I know some places will put,

01:17:22.818 --> 01:17:28.892
- like physical placards on storm drains and say this drains to X location. That's a little bit more than

01:17:28.892 --> 01:17:34.790
- we would probably have the ability to do, but still providing that information just in a more casual

01:17:34.790 --> 01:17:40.630
- way. It sounds like a really cool idea, especially just for like a big map where someone could look

01:17:40.630 --> 01:17:46.704
- at the other neighborhoods too and take pictures of theirs or their friends. There's a lot of different

01:17:46.704 --> 01:17:50.558
- areas where our stormwater runs too and where it's healthy stuff.

01:17:50.690 --> 01:17:56.351
- be like an awesome visual aid, even if, even if not a pamphlet. So like that I realized that like there's

01:17:56.351 --> 01:18:01.853
- water running, there's a river, there's a creek running under downtown and stuff. There's, I know that

01:18:01.853 --> 01:18:06.820
- in the past we've had so many great ideas, but in the past we've talked about, um, different

01:18:06.820 --> 01:18:12.428
- grant opportunities. And I know that the city does offer grants in lots of different ways. And one thing

01:18:12.428 --> 01:18:17.502
- that, because we are a city commission, it would be potentially thinking about how can we help

01:18:17.922 --> 01:18:23.593
- Provide things like this within an easy avenue to, Hey, you're from this neighborhood. You're from this

01:18:23.593 --> 01:18:29.045
- part of town. You can apply for a grant or your, you know, whatever organization ever can apply for

01:18:29.045 --> 01:18:34.552
- this grant. We can help you know how to do that to mark your strong dreams or to, you know, whatever

01:18:34.552 --> 01:18:40.223
- it would be. So that might be something to do. Speaking of grants, that reminds me, I don't think we've

01:18:40.223 --> 01:18:45.566
- talked about this, but next year problem. There's the 319 grants. We can do septic with them now.

01:18:46.306 --> 01:18:52.450
- Okay. I'm going to put that on the list. You didn't bring it in for that, but I'm going to put that.

01:18:52.450 --> 01:18:58.655
- Yeah. So that's closed out for this year, but for next year, because we've talked about that and that

01:18:58.655 --> 01:19:04.739
- kind of immediately what we circled as the biggest issue. And now we can use the money that changed

01:19:04.739 --> 01:19:10.822
- this year. Well, that's perfect timing then. Okay. Cool. Great. Justin, that's a great idea. Do you

01:19:10.822 --> 01:19:13.438
- have anything else that you want to share?

01:19:14.434 --> 01:19:21.464
- before it passed around. Yeah, I'm good. Pass it. Cool. Other folks have anything that they've been

01:19:21.464 --> 01:19:28.986
- thinking about or that they want to toss out to the larger group? I don't have anything terribly specific,

01:19:28.986 --> 01:19:36.227
- but kind of similar to Matt's. I've been killing my grass and planting native plants, and it's so fun.

01:19:36.227 --> 01:19:43.398
- I have to mow less. I get these full flowers and bones and stuff, and I feel like spreading awareness

01:19:43.398 --> 01:19:44.382
- that it's not

01:19:44.514 --> 01:19:51.151
- really that hard to do. Like I put cardboard down, I wait two weeks, I lift it. A week later, I put

01:19:51.151 --> 01:19:57.854
- it back down, grass is dead, plant stuff. Just that raising awareness that it's not that hard to do.

01:19:57.854 --> 01:20:04.490
- It'll save you money and time. And it's good to clean time. And it looks good. You get flowers. You

01:20:04.490 --> 01:20:11.326
- can keep them in my neighborhood. I'm very jealous of what they've done with their front yard. They're

01:20:11.326 --> 01:20:13.118
- very aspirational from me.

01:20:13.250 --> 01:20:21.788
- It reminds me of the eco-heroes theme that you, I think you suggested. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Which is a

01:20:21.788 --> 01:20:30.242
- fun. It's like some areas that are very successful and some of it have a lot of grass mixed in, but

01:20:30.242 --> 01:20:38.950
- guess what? It's still better than just turf grass. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I didn't come prepared to Justin

01:20:38.950 --> 01:20:40.894
- about stormwater. One.

01:20:41.602 --> 01:20:49.858
- thing that I see a lot on the ground are cigarette butts. And I was thinking of like, what is the possibility

01:20:49.858 --> 01:20:57.889
- that having like cigarette canisters downtown? Like we have trash cans. We can't stop people from smoking.

01:20:57.889 --> 01:21:05.769
- They're going to smoke. Like what's the possibility of like putting those alongside trash cans downtown?

01:21:05.769 --> 01:21:09.822
- Do they used to have those? I swear there used to be.

01:21:10.082 --> 01:21:17.365
- And they maybe just replacing when I walked out the trash or something. I don't see any downtown people.

01:21:17.365 --> 01:21:24.509
- Yeah. Especially downtown. Yeah. Yeah. Especially outside of all the trash. It is a fire hazard. Yeah.

01:21:24.509 --> 01:21:31.723
- It's the same concept with trash cans. Like if you just have more trash cans available, people are just

01:21:31.723 --> 01:21:39.422
- more likely to just toss it in that rather than just toss it on the ground. Yeah. I think people want to like,

01:21:39.586 --> 01:21:46.336
- have to sit and wait for their put out cigarette to cool down and then be something they can walk over

01:21:46.336 --> 01:21:52.888
- to like, there's, I think it's like studies. Yeah. Yeah. The grounds and stuff on it. Then you pick

01:21:52.888 --> 01:21:59.441
- it up and fill them with pretty, pretty solid filter. Um, but that's a good question of, are there,

01:21:59.441 --> 01:22:04.094
- are there studies about kind of like the hotspots? That's a good idea.

01:22:05.730 --> 01:22:11.745
- Some cities also have the watersheds signs delineating when you're crossing the next watershed. We have

01:22:11.745 --> 01:22:17.644
- two watersheds, well two major watersheds, major watersheds in the town that we couldn't do that for.

01:22:17.644 --> 01:22:23.601
- I'm always like, that's like my fun fact. I'm just like, you know what, here's something, what are you

01:22:23.601 --> 01:22:29.442
- saying about watershed? That's, but I think it's, yeah, I think it's kind of cool, like that kind of

01:22:29.442 --> 01:22:31.582
- concept of just like the things that

01:22:31.938 --> 01:22:36.928
- to build awareness to somebody that they realize they don't know what that thing is or have not seen

01:22:36.928 --> 01:22:42.116
- it before. So it's good to have curiosity. Mostly to slap a bunch of signs on the 17th. And that's about

01:22:42.116 --> 01:22:47.452
- the line. OK. Well, I know that we've got more things on the agenda still. But are there any other thoughts

01:22:47.452 --> 01:22:52.492
- people want to share? I really, really appreciate you all taking time to talk through this. It's kind

01:22:52.492 --> 01:22:57.482
- of fun just thinking, like, where are people's headsets? And what do you like? And it's also sort of

01:22:57.482 --> 01:23:00.990
- a head start on the planning meeting. Like, we can be thinking, right,

01:23:01.154 --> 01:23:07.631
- And that rolls around in November or whatever. And say, OK, how do we build on all this? And we'll bring

01:23:07.631 --> 01:23:13.800
- new things. And this is in a minute. And I know you all are taking this, too. So keep this stuff in

01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:20.277
- mind. Yeah. Anything else people want to add to this section before we move to the next round of talking

01:23:20.277 --> 01:23:26.630
- points? All right. OK. Moving down to the commission vacancy discussion. Well, we already talked about

01:23:26.630 --> 01:23:29.406
- it a little bit. But this is something that.

01:23:29.570 --> 01:23:35.393
- I know a few of us have just kind of like chatted about as far as we have some vacancies, which is totally

01:23:35.393 --> 01:23:41.053
- fine and normal, but it does make it hard when we wanna have initiatives that we just don't have enough

01:23:41.053 --> 01:23:46.768
- bodies or enough brains or enough time in the day. A lot of us, you know, work or have obligations that,

01:23:46.768 --> 01:23:52.319
- you know, make it hard for us to spread ourselves too thin. So this is just a quick moment to refocus

01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:58.142
- on conversations we're having, people in our communities that might be a good fit. And I really appreciate

01:23:58.690 --> 01:24:03.280
- coming with that being something that's on your mind a lot, that's really helpful. And I think that

01:24:03.280 --> 01:24:07.963
- part of it is remembering to kind of think outside the box of thinking about the people that you know

01:24:07.963 --> 01:24:12.966
- who, when you bring up water, they've got something to say. When you bring up plastic, they've got something

01:24:12.966 --> 01:24:17.648
- to say. When you bring up native plants, they're really excited to talk about that. You run into them

01:24:17.648 --> 01:24:22.422
- at the native plant sale every year and it's a buddy you've had for years, but that kind of thing where

01:24:22.422 --> 01:24:25.406
- the EC doesn't have to be any one thing. I mean, we have certain

01:24:26.242 --> 01:24:32.200
- things that we would fulfill as a body, but we are not really beholden to a single specific, you know,

01:24:32.200 --> 01:24:38.042
- course or track, which means as we populate with people who have different interests and experiences

01:24:38.042 --> 01:24:43.827
- and trainings and roles in our community, I mean, there's so many different ways that we contribute

01:24:43.827 --> 01:24:49.843
- because of who we all are. I would love to just kind of like remind everyone here that besides you need

01:24:49.843 --> 01:24:53.950
- to look within the city limits at this time, it's really just kind of,

01:24:54.402 --> 01:25:00.920
- who wants to be here and are they dedicated to caring for our environment and having time and ideas

01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:07.503
- to help make that happen? Yeah, I know, Matt, you've done a great job of just being relentless about

01:25:07.503 --> 01:25:14.022
- like, did you know that you have public spots, which I really, really appreciate. Yeah, but I mean,

01:25:14.022 --> 01:25:19.953
- obviously the application process is pretty straightforward. And once we, as we get cycled

01:25:19.953 --> 01:25:22.430
- through applications, you know, it's,

01:25:22.754 --> 01:25:27.839
- is something that we're always looking for people to put the name on the list. Yeah, but just

01:25:27.839 --> 01:25:33.519
- also contribute, just kind of think outside the box. There might be like, obviously, we value expertise.

01:25:33.519 --> 01:25:38.928
- If you know any specialists in any field, that's great. But there might be a ton of involved people

01:25:38.928 --> 01:25:44.392
- in your community or teachers. Or there might be people you never thought of that, oh, yeah, they're

01:25:44.392 --> 01:25:49.639
- actually really passionate about this thing and might like to volunteer a little bit each month.

01:25:49.639 --> 01:25:51.262
- So yeah, just think about it.

01:25:51.746 --> 01:25:57.386
- We, over the, over the last couple of years, um, I think we, we dipped down to eight members once before

01:25:57.386 --> 01:26:02.865
- we got back up to 11 and then it's just been kind of bad circumstances of, of people rolling off here

01:26:02.865 --> 01:26:08.397
- lately. So we're down to eight again. I think there might be like a perception that we always struggle

01:26:08.397 --> 01:26:13.822
- with quorum, but I think the reality is it has a little bit more to do with the definition of quorum

01:26:13.822 --> 01:26:18.334
- than it is with getting people to be on this body. However, the more people we get.

01:26:18.530 --> 01:26:25.201
- on this commission, the less we have to worry about anyone's interpretation, of course. So if you know

01:26:25.201 --> 01:26:31.742
- anybody, you might give them a nudge. Yeah, easy peasy. Or they can come and they can talk to us, or

01:26:31.742 --> 01:26:38.542
- they can come as a member of the public who doesn't even know that we are now going to start to actually

01:26:38.542 --> 01:26:45.213
- know. But yeah, I mean, it's very open and we're all, you know, we all can talk to our own experiences

01:26:45.213 --> 01:26:47.998
- and obviously it's really flexible groups.

01:26:48.610 --> 01:26:54.526
- Well, so share with your friends and neighbors. Great. OK, that's all I'm going to say for that. The

01:26:54.526 --> 01:27:00.500
- next item on the list is social media. So we are currently at a place where we have to approve social

01:27:00.500 --> 01:27:06.650
- media posts. I know we talked about what this would look like differently. But if nothing else, I passed

01:27:06.650 --> 01:27:12.625
- this along to Jackie because this is something that the city committee put together, very cute little

01:27:12.625 --> 01:27:17.662
- thing. But we have to get a vote before we can post it on the EC's Facebook page. OK.

01:27:33.122 --> 01:27:35.486
- in being non-stop.

01:28:14.978 --> 01:28:34.366
- So, simple enough, how would folks feel about us sharing this on our Facebook page?

01:28:47.586 --> 01:28:56.489
- Okay. Mesture. Yes. Yes. All right. Yes. Brown. Yes. Yes. Yes. Awesome. It's going to show up in our

01:28:56.489 --> 01:29:05.304
- feed. I can't wait for you all to watch it and share with your friends and mention that we are also

01:29:05.304 --> 01:29:08.830
- accepting a new commissioners. So baby.

01:29:09.474 --> 01:29:13.947
- Okay, that's it. That's it for me. And I know that we're moving on to the old business, which there

01:29:13.947 --> 01:29:18.464
- is none, which means we're just zipping through. We now have commissioner announcements. A reminder,

01:29:18.464 --> 01:29:22.623
- your announcements may be environmentally based. They may be about something you're doing in

01:29:22.623 --> 01:29:27.409
- your professional world. They might be something you just want to share with us and also everyone watching

01:29:27.409 --> 01:29:31.166
- cats. It could be really your choice of what you want to share. Yeah, I'll open up.

01:29:36.578 --> 01:29:42.658
- I don't know. This was just weird and random. I spent all week in Terre Haute doing, uh, it was our

01:29:42.658 --> 01:29:48.859
- first week of, uh, field season. We have our, we're doing an intensive watershed on the south side of

01:29:48.859 --> 01:29:54.939
- Terre Haute. And I didn't realize before this week that you could just find a whole chance of coal,

01:29:54.939 --> 01:30:01.444
- just fresh coal. It is free. Uh, so yeah, I had a bunch of coal, uh, because we brought some home because,

01:30:01.444 --> 01:30:03.390
- but yeah, there were, it was a,

01:30:03.554 --> 01:30:09.431
- extremely weird watershed, because there's a bunch of that former coal mine activity. And I went and

01:30:09.431 --> 01:30:15.308
- did some sampling and thought some of the landowners was like, yeah, the mine shut down. Like one of

01:30:15.308 --> 01:30:21.534
- the pharma companies started just dumping their trash into mines. And that got cleaned up, but it's still.

01:30:21.730 --> 01:30:29.780
- But yeah, I just thought it was neat that you guys might like to know that you can find coal just straight

01:30:29.780 --> 01:30:37.454
- up. You should have stashed that away and then put it in your kids' stockings. That is stockings that

01:30:37.454 --> 01:30:45.353
- fit. Every year, the recipe. They cry, say, I'm just kidding. Here, here, here, here, here. Other folks,

01:30:45.353 --> 01:30:49.566
- anything to share? Yeah, I guess I'll share with y'all.

01:30:50.274 --> 01:30:59.301
- I actually quit my job. I'm actually, after about 10 years, I'm no longer going to be a scientist. So

01:30:59.301 --> 01:31:08.860
- I'm having a bit of a shift. I'm actually going to end up spending a lot more time with math. I'm attending

01:31:08.860 --> 01:31:17.799
- the law school now. Oh, that's really exciting. Did you do this because of math? No, this has been a

01:31:17.799 --> 01:31:19.038
- while coming.

01:31:19.202 --> 01:31:25.146
- But yeah, so. That's really exciting. But I'm still very committed to the environmental commission,

01:31:25.146 --> 01:31:31.149
- and I still have some expertise. So happy to share with you. Love it. Do you start classes, I guess,

01:31:31.149 --> 01:31:37.272
- this fall then? Yep. It's all right. It's coming up. That's so exciting. Well, congratulations. That's

01:31:37.272 --> 01:31:43.275
- really fun. There's a big shift going, so. Right, yeah. A little bit of a change there. That's cool.

01:31:43.275 --> 01:31:46.366
- Well, that's cool. I can't wait to hear kind of how

01:31:46.466 --> 01:31:53.456
- this world and that world intersect for you, or just how it used to move? Nice. You got here now, you

01:31:53.456 --> 01:32:00.309
- want to give your science background some tips? Yeah, yeah. Well, there's a lot of ways I can apply

01:32:00.309 --> 01:32:07.436
- my science background, so, but I don't feel at all, so. You're a nice guy, I find. Virgil Harson, which

01:32:07.436 --> 01:32:14.974
- is decided as a term. Ryder. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Other folks, any announcements? I guess I just want to

01:32:15.298 --> 01:32:22.511
- Thank everybody who worked on the light pollution resolution. I know that was, I mean, fortunately,

01:32:22.511 --> 01:32:29.724
- Zach gave us a great running start, but that was still a bit of a lift and I'm excited to see where

01:32:29.724 --> 01:32:37.082
- it's going, our joint meeting. And I also want to thank Kaida for bringing us snacks. Yes. Well, this

01:32:37.082 --> 01:32:43.934
- is not environmentally related, but it's Bloomington related. Next Saturday night, the 25th at

01:32:44.450 --> 01:32:49.928
- Seven o'clock at the Busker of Chungley is the annual Girls Rock Bloomington Showcase. So Girls Rock

01:32:49.928 --> 01:32:55.623
- Bloomington, as you may or may not know, is a nonprofit here in town for growth trends, not binary kids.

01:32:55.623 --> 01:33:01.047
- So learn to play musical instruments and write an original rock song and then perform it on the big

01:33:01.047 --> 01:33:06.580
- stage at the Busker with their little seven-year-old friends. And it is amazing work. And I volunteer

01:33:06.580 --> 01:33:11.678
- with them all year long, but I definitely do the camp as well. So next, a week from Saturday,

01:33:11.778 --> 01:33:18.900
- at the Busburg is by donation. Um, I think it's like 10 looks to me that they asked for, but it is just

01:33:18.900 --> 01:33:26.090
- a nice, a very cute little weirdo musicians doing their thing. So I invite you to come or you can follow

01:33:26.090 --> 01:33:33.418
- them on social media and just get it from a distance and you can mute it if you need to, but it's actually

01:33:33.418 --> 01:33:38.622
- a really, really great. Anybody else? Well, in conclusion, our next meeting

01:33:38.722 --> 01:33:44.974
- is August 20th. As you know, we love having as many bodies in the chairs as possible. If you know you

01:33:44.974 --> 01:33:51.227
- cannot make that meeting, please shout it out. If you need to reschedule, please raise your hand. And

01:33:51.227 --> 01:33:57.418
- that will kind of help us make sure we're being effective. Next meeting, August 18th special meeting

01:33:57.418 --> 01:34:03.548
- with, yeah, technically right before the 20th, so. Which I, I don't know if that's. I don't know if

01:34:03.548 --> 01:34:08.574
- it's officially on the books that I just taped. It's not officially on the books.

01:34:08.866 --> 01:34:14.933
- Okay, yes, but our monthly, obviously, next monthly meeting is at 20th. But yeah, great. Well then,

01:34:14.933 --> 01:34:21.547
- in that case. And motion re-adjourned. Second. Nice job, Adam. Okay, great. Thanks, y'all. Really appreciate

01:34:21.547 --> 01:34:22.942
- it. Adam, what to say?