WEBVTT 00:00:01.218 --> 00:00:09.870 - Okay, so 11-11, we did it. Here we are. We're here, figured it out. Okay, okay. So I thought I would 00:00:09.870 --> 00:00:18.693 - leave the minutes to the regular. Yeah, that's fine. Thanks. Yeah, okay. So first things on the agenda 00:00:18.693 --> 00:00:27.602 - are approval of the agenda. I don't think anybody can run their own sheet there. Actual attendance will 00:00:27.602 --> 00:00:30.686 - fall. What? It's on the agenda too. 00:00:31.074 --> 00:00:41.857 - Oh, gotcha. Totally thoughtful. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we should do that. Does anybody want to start us off? 00:00:41.857 --> 00:00:52.639 - Yeah. Do amendments to the agenda or? Okay. I move we adopt the agenda as written. Yeah. That and Adam. 00:00:52.639 --> 00:01:00.830 - Okay. Hold on. It's sad that the other half's gone, but it is nice to be here. 00:01:00.962 --> 00:01:10.949 - Okay. All right. I hope to prove it. Pauli? Yes. Arminis? Yes. Brown? Yes. Geyser? Yes. Fester? Yes. 00:01:10.949 --> 00:01:20.836 - Canoas? Yes. We're deciding on a different word. Okay. Well, great. Glad we are moving forward. And 00:01:20.836 --> 00:01:30.526 - then we can hit the project and move on to the next thing. All right. Pauli? Here. Cartina? Here. 00:01:31.362 --> 00:01:37.747 - Okay, sir. Thank you. Yeah. Great. Okay. Well, this is super fascinating and I appreciate everybody 00:01:37.747 --> 00:01:44.386 - making time for. Well, I got a couple of items on here. One is first one is a working group discussion. 00:01:44.386 --> 00:01:50.835 - Do you remember that's been a conversation we've had in different ways over the last year. So I will 00:01:50.835 --> 00:01:57.411 - pass it over to Matt. Do you want to hit us up? Sure. I can introduce this item. So at the moment, the 00:01:57.411 --> 00:01:59.390 - only standing working group or 00:02:00.418 --> 00:02:07.527 - to be considered a subcommittee that we have is ECPC, which is Environmental Commission Planning Committee. 00:02:07.527 --> 00:02:14.240 - We haven't had any real reason to meet for the last several months, and it's my understanding that at 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:21.085 - the end of the calendar year, any subcommittees are gonna ask for approval from the Office of the Mayor 00:02:21.085 --> 00:02:27.733 - to have them. That's not the reason I wanted to have this discussion today. Due to all the headaches 00:02:27.733 --> 00:02:30.366 - we had in the past with working groups, 00:02:30.850 --> 00:02:41.765 - What I was going to suggest today is formally disbanding PCPC and just adding planning committee report 00:02:41.765 --> 00:02:52.470 - to the regular agenda and report section so that if staff or anyone else who gets the agendas for BZA 00:02:52.470 --> 00:02:57.822 - or planning commission sees anything that would be 00:02:58.946 --> 00:03:05.586 - of use to us, they could present it at the regular meeting. We could decide if anyone wants to write 00:03:05.586 --> 00:03:12.490 - a memo, can delegate the ability to write a memo at that time. But I just don't think we need a standing 00:03:12.490 --> 00:03:19.196 - subcommittee for it also because it would present issues with say the chair and the vice chair having 00:03:19.196 --> 00:03:26.230 - a conversation. If they're both members of a subcommittee, suddenly that would be for them and not noticed 00:03:26.230 --> 00:03:28.926 - meeting. So yeah, my proposal today was, 00:03:29.026 --> 00:03:37.785 - to formally end ECPC in name, in subcommittee form, but to still monitor it. And I'd be happy personally 00:03:37.785 --> 00:03:46.211 - to bring those updates each month. We just have to get it in the regular agenda in a different form. 00:03:46.211 --> 00:03:55.054 - So happy to hear people's thoughts. Quick question. What do we have to do exactly to abolish it? Handbook 00:03:55.054 --> 00:03:58.558 - somewhere and just press it out? Nothing. 00:03:58.978 --> 00:04:05.512 - It doesn't list our active or not active ones. There's nothing wrong with the text regarding working 00:04:05.512 --> 00:04:11.982 - groups in the handbook. So there's actually nothing to amend. We just agree to kind of dissolve it. 00:04:11.982 --> 00:04:18.840 - And previously we had said we were not dissolving it, like specifically that. We were kind of like making 00:04:18.840 --> 00:04:25.504 - the decision of like, nevermind, let's dissolve it. Yeah, as previously, right, water and biodiversity 00:04:25.504 --> 00:04:28.286 - and whatever, we normally ended everything 00:04:29.058 --> 00:04:38.018 - for practical purposes. And now I think this is, we're realizing this falls into the same basket, but 00:04:38.018 --> 00:04:46.801 - it's still a thing we want to do, but having it exist as a working group or subcommittee would be a 00:04:46.801 --> 00:04:55.585 - hurdle to regular functioning. So, right, still happy to do some of that legwork and keep an eye on 00:04:55.585 --> 00:04:57.342 - those other boards. 00:04:58.530 --> 00:05:09.719 - agendas in case I think there's anything noteworthy, but I don't think we need it anymore as a formal 00:05:09.719 --> 00:05:20.030 - subcommittee. So, again, we'd love to read the temperature of the road. What is the question? 00:05:20.290 --> 00:05:26.506 - Yeah, it seems like over the last several months, I just keep adding things to the reports section and 00:05:26.506 --> 00:05:32.661 - removing them from other sections. But I don't know, I've liked all the agenda tweets so far, the way 00:05:32.661 --> 00:05:38.998 - we do our reports. And so at this point, yeah, it would be, you know, obviously our liaison would always 00:05:38.998 --> 00:05:45.395 - be able to bring something to our attention if she thinks it's relevant, but also I want to be respectful 00:05:45.395 --> 00:05:49.438 - of staff time. And so I can also do it during that report portion. 00:05:51.074 --> 00:05:56.698 - regular meeting if that if that ends up being a better fit. And Melissa Herzl is the one that sent out 00:05:56.698 --> 00:06:02.158 - the email saying like here are all things coming through BZA and and you can get on it mailing list 00:06:02.158 --> 00:06:07.673 - if you want to but Matt is already on it. I think I might have missed at least one because there was 00:06:07.673 --> 00:06:13.352 - a planned commission one I didn't see but I looked at each of the last couple BZA ones and didn't think 00:06:13.352 --> 00:06:19.358 - there was anything that we'd be looking to write a memo about so I'm going to continue to monitor it and then 00:06:20.354 --> 00:06:26.908 - bring that information or lack of information to each federal. Any other questions or thoughts on this? 00:06:26.908 --> 00:06:33.211 - I just want to comment that I think it's great that you're volunteering to do this. There's nothing 00:06:33.211 --> 00:06:40.143 - material that will prevent any of us from also monitoring and bringing up essential environmental permission. 00:06:40.143 --> 00:06:46.509 - I don't think you're guarding that down for yourself. I just want to point out to everybody that you 00:06:46.509 --> 00:06:49.534 - wanted to also monitor that would be an option. 00:06:50.626 --> 00:06:56.877 - I think it's a great point. Anybody can keep an eye on any of those things. It was more my, my fear, 00:06:56.877 --> 00:07:03.066 - you know, in case someone was concerned that it was just going to slip away, say, I'm, I'm happy to 00:07:03.066 --> 00:07:08.574 - report on it, but yeah, absolutely correct. Everyone is welcome to pay attention to any. 00:07:26.914 --> 00:07:36.361 - or move it to the vote? Yeah, I think we treated that as the discussion. So we're ready. Aldi? Yes. 00:07:36.361 --> 00:07:45.903 - Martinez? Yes. Brown? Yeah. Pfizer? Yeah. That's sure. Yeah. Owens? Yes. Senator? And Albright? Yes. 00:07:45.903 --> 00:07:54.689 - Thank you. Cool. Yeah. And we'll talk to all of the people, you know, if they're safe. Sure, 00:07:54.689 --> 00:07:56.862 - for the process. Yeah. 00:07:58.114 --> 00:08:08.722 - Yeah, we always appreciate her updates. Yeah. Great. Well, then we're going to keep moving on to the 00:08:08.722 --> 00:08:19.540 - handbook amendment section, and I was going to open the floor to whoever it is that would like to kick 00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:27.838 - off this conversation. Happy to handle this one as well. Yeah. So now you guys 00:08:28.706 --> 00:08:38.078 - basically looking to propose a one-word change to our handbook. But first, I want to put into the record 00:08:38.078 --> 00:08:47.005 - a little bit of background. We had our first real farm issue that I can remember, and I've now been 00:08:47.005 --> 00:08:56.466 - on nine years, back in December of 24. So in February of 25, we convened, again, with just seven members, 00:08:56.466 --> 00:08:58.430 - and we tried to amend 00:08:58.914 --> 00:09:09.865 - form in our handbook. I wanted to make it clear that it was the number of appointed members in attendance, 00:09:09.865 --> 00:09:20.508 - not just members of the 12 seats. I did a thing that I hated the other day. I rewatched these meetings. 00:09:20.508 --> 00:09:28.286 - The emphasis was very clear. A representative legal was in the room. No one 00:09:28.738 --> 00:09:38.431 - seemed to have an issue with it and we passed it on that day. Then again, had a different set of handbook 00:09:38.431 --> 00:09:48.124 - updates brought about in March of 26. I was trying to make changes regarding elections and also to remove 00:09:48.124 --> 00:09:57.086 - a de minimis clause that I didn't think was very useful to our definition of form. Legal had also 00:09:57.474 --> 00:10:04.658 - brought a number of changes, and we had a representative with her again, and we were informed by Rachel 00:10:04.658 --> 00:10:11.704 - that, in a homeless, the legal department was firm on the fact that the sentence, a quorum means that 00:10:11.704 --> 00:10:18.888 - a majority of the members serving on the commission are in attendance, means a majority of the 12 total 00:10:18.888 --> 00:10:26.280 - seats. I just wanna make clear, I still do not feel that that is what that sentence says in plain English. 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:27.454 - I don't see how, 00:10:28.162 --> 00:10:33.945 - Um, an empty seat can be a member and I don't see how it can serve. Um, so today's amendment is I just 00:10:33.945 --> 00:10:39.671 - want to put the word appointed back in there. So it would be actually expanding a little further. The 00:10:39.671 --> 00:10:45.286 - chair of the commission will determine whether there is a quorum prior to the start of the meeting. 00:10:45.286 --> 00:10:50.900 - Quorum means the majority of the appointed members, certain amount of commission are in attendance. 00:10:50.900 --> 00:10:56.514 - No official votes may be taken unless there's quorum. Again, that is verbatim for what it currently 00:10:56.514 --> 00:10:57.918 - is minus the added word. 00:10:58.722 --> 00:11:08.430 - And so that opened the floor to any discussion or questions on this change. I think it makes a lot of 00:11:08.430 --> 00:11:18.137 - sense. Hypothetically, for a second we thought Mitchell resigned. It's okay. If he did that, we would 00:11:18.137 --> 00:11:28.606 - not ever be able to think for him unless we got someone else appointed, which is kind of out of the question. 00:11:28.738 --> 00:11:36.191 - and that seems silly. Sorry, I didn't hear anything. I would just like to comment that the way we have 00:11:36.191 --> 00:11:44.150 - it now, I don't believe, I don't have to believe like you Matt, I don't believe it's the crack interpretation 00:11:44.150 --> 00:11:51.458 - of quorum. But even if it is, it's not in the spirit of open door laws. I don't want to be explained 00:11:51.458 --> 00:11:57.246 - by that. Right now we have seven of the 12 saints filled. Technically speaking, 00:11:57.474 --> 00:12:04.143 - If any one of us were to walk out the door, the rest of us could then convene sub-forum meeting, make 00:12:04.143 --> 00:12:10.681 - a decision, and then without any public input, then vote on that the next meeting. That practically 00:12:10.681 --> 00:12:17.219 - cuts the public out, and I am very interested in keeping the public abreast of what we're doing and 00:12:17.219 --> 00:12:24.542 - making sure that they have a proper input. So I am in support of a forum being defined as the appointed number. 00:12:34.082 --> 00:12:41.281 - I'd like to provide just a little bit more background. It's like boards and commissions and their advisory 00:12:41.281 --> 00:12:48.212 - capacity. It's complicated. There's a variety of them. There's some that are created by state statute. 00:12:48.212 --> 00:12:55.209 - There are some that are not. We are not. We are one that was created by the city back in the 70s, which 00:12:55.209 --> 00:13:01.534 - means our bylaws are what we run off of unless they're in conflict with city code, which this 00:13:02.082 --> 00:13:08.615 - determination of parole is not in conflict with anything in city code. So there is no legal reason. 00:13:08.615 --> 00:13:15.670 - In fact, it's consistent with some, excuse me, with some PAC decisions that looked up. This isn't something 00:13:15.670 --> 00:13:22.334 - that shouldn't stick in our handbook. This is something that is completely acceptable by code and for 00:13:22.334 --> 00:13:29.062 - us to adopt and do our own bylaws. I covered my bases site, that a fair amount of homework and checked 00:13:29.062 --> 00:13:31.806 - in with Deputy Clerk, Jennifer Broussley, 00:13:32.322 --> 00:13:41.204 - Um, she said it was fine that we are not the only commission, but it's already being done by at least 00:13:41.204 --> 00:13:50.261 - one other commission. Um, so this, this shouldn't, this shouldn't cause any headaches. Um, hoping it'll 00:13:50.261 --> 00:13:59.230 - just be a straightforward change. Can you preface it with a phrase that is well familiar to Steve? 12. 00:14:01.282 --> 00:14:08.824 - I think I already had too much attitude in my skull just now. I'm finding the simple long word change 00:14:08.824 --> 00:14:16.737 - for actual handbook. This can be for what Rachel returns, but actually the current version of our handbook 00:14:16.737 --> 00:14:24.205 - on our website, I think is updating because it still had the de minimis of five lines. By the moment 00:14:24.205 --> 00:14:31.230 - it was posted, it looked like our meetings wouldn't have had to be canceled for August anyway. 00:14:31.426 --> 00:14:38.042 - But again, I understand the interpretation and why the cancellation is sent out, and this is just making 00:14:38.042 --> 00:14:44.658 - it clear so that in the future, so long as we have a majority of the actual appointed seats filled here, 00:14:44.658 --> 00:14:51.022 - that we'll be able to conduct our meetings and have quality. It does say the number of commissioners 00:14:51.022 --> 00:14:57.008 - in our bylaws. Like I said, the commission is made up of 12, so that's up to anybody who wants 00:14:57.008 --> 00:15:00.158 - to double-check our map. That can only be changed 00:15:02.722 --> 00:15:09.701 - Do you want to change the literacy class? Personally, I do not have an appetite for that. I do want 00:15:09.701 --> 00:15:16.749 - to comment on that. I'm sure that we thought of it. It was, I think, presumably, we thought of it in 00:15:16.749 --> 00:15:24.007 - our last meeting. Council is considering changing the literacy in 70C. The council on the subcommittee. 00:15:24.007 --> 00:15:31.196 - They are currently considering that. We will pick up that question again after we're done with all the 00:15:31.196 --> 00:15:32.382 - budgetary stuff. 00:15:32.546 --> 00:15:38.938 - But that's something to keep in mind that they are considering to do just because we do have a severe 00:15:38.938 --> 00:15:45.268 - vacancy issue. Do the board have vacancies right now? It looks like they do, to my left side. Not as 00:15:45.268 --> 00:15:51.598 - severe as ours currently, although ours is old and recent that we have such a severe vacancy itself. 00:15:51.598 --> 00:15:57.927 - We've been hanging out for months on this. We've just lost a lot of people in a short time. And it's 00:15:57.927 --> 00:16:01.374 - been a really hard two years of going through our lot. 00:16:01.794 --> 00:16:09.284 - I think that's a great point. I think part of the reasons that some members may roll off is it feels 00:16:09.284 --> 00:16:17.145 - like we're not getting anything done and being able to consistently meet forum. And, you know, no clearly 00:16:17.145 --> 00:16:24.858 - defined rules, what we're doing allows us to suddenly kind of find identity again. So I think that this 00:16:24.858 --> 00:16:30.494 - will, you know, I think that's a great point. I think that's a great point. 00:16:31.042 --> 00:16:37.445 - Ease the problem in a way that doesn't necessitate reducing the members of the commission. But at the 00:16:37.445 --> 00:16:43.974 - end of the day, that'll be up to council and I hope they seek our feedback or just deciding. But again, 00:16:43.974 --> 00:16:50.566 - that is that would be an issue for them. Yeah, so people who are here showing up where we have our farm, 00:16:50.566 --> 00:16:56.907 - I feel like having the extra seats is great for when community members want to apply to join. And if 00:16:56.907 --> 00:17:00.862 - they don't, then we will continue to grow and do good work and 00:17:01.090 --> 00:17:07.722 - invite others to probably be part of it. So. I don't know if there's a city where you got this 00:17:07.722 --> 00:17:14.774 - new definition. I don't know if there's really a downside to having more possible seats. Because the 00:17:14.774 --> 00:17:22.104 - issue was just that both seats and those seats were full. Same. And I don't know what the turnover ratio 00:17:22.104 --> 00:17:29.784 - is across the various boards and various commissions and things like that. And I assume that the conversation 00:17:29.784 --> 00:17:30.622 - of reducing 00:17:30.722 --> 00:17:36.483 - commission sizes, I assume, will factor that in, or, you know, what is the average tenure of a, 00:17:36.483 --> 00:17:42.664 - I'm not sure, whatever. And I think that's a valid number to look at, but I would love to believe that 00:17:42.664 --> 00:17:49.145 - for the difficulty that we've had in the last couple of years, I do feel like there are some very committed 00:17:49.145 --> 00:17:55.446 - folks, and the folks who have been on the bus have been working with it a long time, and then, you know, 00:17:55.446 --> 00:17:57.726 - they retire or they move or whatever. 00:17:58.210 --> 00:18:04.562 - So this measure that Matt is proposing here also allows us to stay operational. If, for example, one 00:18:04.562 --> 00:18:11.165 - of us were mentioned to show up today, we wouldn't have a quorum. If one of us were quick to quit today, 00:18:11.165 --> 00:18:17.957 - the EC is essentially not a functionalist body. And I think that doesn't just serve us to sedate a citizen, 00:18:17.957 --> 00:18:23.806 - but wouldn't tend to have an EC essentially shut down based on our interpretation of quorum. 00:18:26.274 --> 00:18:32.750 - There's a school at the university that has a fire, and maybe people have an interest in it. Yeah. I'm 00:18:32.750 --> 00:18:39.288 - going to put some fuel in that also, and find out if they're on board with the school or not. But we'll 00:18:39.288 --> 00:18:45.701 - see if they're fired, if they're fined, I don't know. Is there other departments that I mean? We have 00:18:45.701 --> 00:18:51.989 - people from Sphere, like the aliens. Yeah, but it's a club application, so we'll be in those branch 00:18:51.989 --> 00:18:53.246 - with a badge. Sure. 00:18:55.394 --> 00:19:02.031 - I think it's a good, I mean, obviously we want to, we want to increase the number of members no matter 00:19:02.031 --> 00:19:08.733 - what, but this right, this change makes it so that, you know, if one of us gets hit in the parking lot, 00:19:08.733 --> 00:19:15.242 - we can still have a meeting. Come on, what if it's the lottery? That's the lottery. That's your bet. 00:19:15.242 --> 00:19:21.815 - Do you believe that you see if you won? No, I would give all of my way to the local community and the 00:19:21.815 --> 00:19:22.846 - inter-directed. 00:19:24.034 --> 00:19:32.176 - I don't think there's a huge downside to opening this up and I think that knowing that we have smaller 00:19:32.176 --> 00:19:40.161 - numbers right now and knowing how hard it is to schedule meetings, schedule a joint meeting, have an 00:19:40.161 --> 00:19:47.513 - entire commission trying to help coordinate this update will only help us keep our momentum. 00:19:47.513 --> 00:19:53.758 - Further comments, questions? Mitchell, do you have anything you want to share? 00:19:59.522 --> 00:20:09.065 - to get to work, to pass a joint resolution, to do whatever table and stuff, to do whatever's on our 00:20:09.065 --> 00:20:18.990 - horizon here. So I suppose with that, I would move that we adopt this change thing out. So there. Those 00:20:18.990 --> 00:20:27.006 - are your two? Yeah. Marking this? Yes. Brown? Geyser? Yes. Fester? Yes. Owens? Yes. 00:20:36.066 --> 00:20:43.271 - So that means we're going to get seven, we have to have four to the meeting. At least three of them 00:20:43.271 --> 00:20:50.837 - would have to be there. You'd have to go on, mine's tough. That's the question, how's the math for that? 00:20:50.837 --> 00:20:58.114 - Pretty sure in the jewelry you're supposed to be physically present. So I think we'd still need four 00:20:58.114 --> 00:21:03.806 - in the room. Four of them. We're hoping the numbers get up one way or another. 00:21:06.562 --> 00:21:14.214 - we're meeting these 50% of the seated commissioners in the in-person. So yeah and then any other members 00:21:14.214 --> 00:21:21.502 - can be out. Okay great well my friends we've made it to the end of our very extensive agenda. Um as 00:21:21.502 --> 00:21:29.154 - well as that we will um obviously we can't put our office meeting or no yeah office meeting um and we'll 00:21:29.154 --> 00:21:35.422 - work with because to reschedule um the meeting to talk about it's in a resolution for 00:21:36.546 --> 00:21:45.163 - I don't know if the cameras are falling at the start of the story or the light pollution. Okay, so the 00:21:45.163 --> 00:21:53.696 - thing that we talked about at our last meeting, we talked about how we can support that. And we'll do 00:21:53.696 --> 00:22:02.899 - that in September. Or we plan to have our next meeting in September. So. First of all, if you are interested, 00:22:02.899 --> 00:22:04.990 - we are opening up public 00:22:05.474 --> 00:22:12.731 - the pores of the water line if anybody can tell. This is the first time we're arcading publicly, so, 00:22:12.731 --> 00:22:20.491 - sorry, in January. September 9th, so Wednesday. It's not online yet, but it'll be soon. We're just clearing 00:22:20.491 --> 00:22:28.036 - up some hurdles on the transportation side of things. Would you mind sending the link to Jackie to share 00:22:28.036 --> 00:22:34.718 - with all of us when it comes, when they actually ask for that? Yeah, probably two years ago. 00:22:34.914 --> 00:22:42.079 - last year. Oh, that's very cool. Yeah, hopefully we'll do that a little bit more often. People 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:49.923 - are interested, so. Are you leading this work or? Oh, no. Yeah, it's definitely a cool experience. They 00:22:49.923 --> 00:22:57.541 - can make this work. We'll see how our owner gets. It's one of the processes that not a lot of people 00:22:57.541 --> 00:23:00.030 - see that they actually get there 00:23:04.642 --> 00:23:11.218 - a topical, I fear that only a certain number of us will be able to attend to a forum. No. That's why 00:23:11.218 --> 00:23:17.533 - I said I'm excited anyway. There will be forum. Yeah. Well, certainly there's substance to that, 00:23:17.533 --> 00:23:24.174 - isn't there? Yeah. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be 00:23:24.174 --> 00:23:30.945 - fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going 00:23:30.945 --> 00:23:34.526 - to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. 00:23:35.330 --> 00:23:42.188 - Really quick announcement as well. There's going to be a lunar eclipse tonight. It will peak just past 00:23:42.188 --> 00:23:49.113 - midnight. It's not going to be total, but it doesn't quite matter as much of a lunar eclipse as it does 00:23:49.113 --> 00:23:56.038 - with the solar eclipse. It'll still be right and cool. It's 96%. So it's like almost 13 in the morning. 00:23:56.038 --> 00:24:02.430 - Like you'll see it start getting darker before. So I thought I was going to be clear last time. 00:24:04.610 --> 00:24:15.937 - Cool. Anything else? Any other cool events or updates you want to share before we get out of here? Okay. 00:24:15.937 --> 00:24:26.616 - Okay. We'll be adjourned. Perfect. Thank you. 736. Thank you so much, everybody. This was awesome. 00:24:26.616 --> 00:24:31.902 - Thank you, Mitchell. Your is a natural treasure.