I think we're ready to go then so we'll need a roll call start over here Michael over a BUBA member Mary Morgan BUBA Kate Rosenberger BUBA Heather Robinson BUBA Jane Coopersmith BUBA Cheryl Gilliland deputy controller City of Wilmington. Phil Anderson BUBA. Dela Rosa ESD. Audrey Brittingham City Attorney. Welcome everyone. And then real quickly, Audrey do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah I'm the City Attorney I recently took over as the attorney representing the ESD department so I believe I will be the one in these meetings instead of Alex moving forward Alex to go over a couple of other departments but I'm sure she and I will just be backing each other up so she might still see her here if I'm unavailable. Great thank you. Welcome. Thank you. All right I guess we need an approval of the minutes for March were there any comments questions corrections to the minutes last meeting all right hearing none do we have a motion for that? I'm going to approve the March 2025 board meeting minutes. Second. Second all those in favor I think we have to do roll call on this right yeah so I think okay so Felisa you want to start. Felisa Spinelli, aye. Phil Anderson, aye. Jane Kuprasnath, aye. Heather Robinson, aye. Kate Rosenberger, aye. Mary Morgan, aye. Michael Hober, aye. All right motion carries thank you. All right Dee you're up on director's report. Yeah so I did a pretty I guess more in-depth director's report than I usually do only because we've been well not only but because we've been discussing for several meetings about the loan forgiveness and where we kind of want to head with that program. I made an executive decision and renamed it a loan conversion program as the board wanted to convert these loans into grants and so that's kind of the move. And this is just a very high level look at what the items are within the document. We're still working with the office of the controller, the mayor's office and with legal to work on the language that's in the first draft. There are going to be several drafts of this. What will be the first thing that we present to you is not the thing that's going to go out, but it is the thing that will be probably the closest thing to what is going out. I feel like it's pretty straightforward. I don't know, I know that we're kind of pressed for time on all of the things so I don't know how much you guys want to get into it, but if anyone has any questions on these like very general points at this point in time, I'm happy to take them. Do you want to add anything? No, just that this you're doing a deep dive now and are planning to present a full proposal in May. That's where we that's where I would like to be. Yes, okay. No, I like to read over it and I kind of like how you stipulated what was required to apply for that. I think it is good. Yeah, we're still we're still working on some of those details because obviously we want well we want this conversion to help people but we also don't want it to feel punitive as well for those who have also been like working so hard to pay off these loans and that they are on time and all of that. So finding striking that balance is a difficult thing. I guess that always is a difficult thing when it comes to money. So working on that. As far as the grants, we had a really good turnout for grants right after the 812 podcast. I immediately had like five applications which is great and so it's been good to get out there and talk to people and get some activation in that area of our budget. But we did find that there were some issues with the application process. One of the questions that was worded just I think that if you know how to fill out a grant application you can kind of infer what is being asked but if you aren't familiar with filling out grant applications you're going to do it as is. So the question was if you are applying for the business building improvement grant can you match up to 50% of your total funding request? That was a mistake on my part in just the wording of it and now that I have thinking about it I'm like why did you word it like that? So we're jading into if you're applying for the business building improvement grant can you match up to 50% of the total project cost? I think that that's going to eliminate a lot of confusion there. Also in the guidelines of the grants there are asks within the guidelines but not explicitly asked within the application. So we made that very explicit. There's a section for written consent from the landlord or property owner. I think that that'll just mitigate a lot of questions when we have grants come to the board. And then a simplified budget for funding requests reflecting the matching grants for the applicant. So it will be a small very easy spreadsheet. You saw that in the grant application that we're going to be looking at today where it's very explicit. These are the things we're using. This is how much the thing cost. This is how much we can put up. This is how much we're asking for. So there's there's no guessing on that point anymore. The board also asked to clarify some things about grants that we looked at last month, particularly the mill. I know that this has been it's been difficult to navigate because mill is a city-owned building. However, the mill is an independent 501C3. So the questions regarding the clarification on the funding received by the mill from the city. The mill receives $175,000 from the city to support its programming only. That does not include any operational costs. The terms of the mill's lease as a city building under the RDC's purview, the lease states that the mill must have written consent for any altering of the building. So they have to ask the RDC if they can put in new doors essentially by the lease. The RDC is only responsible for the doors replacement if it's necessary. So if it's some act of God or something to that effect, the mill or the RDC is responsible for that, but because the mill wants to do an upgrade, it is on them to pay for it. Will the RDC consider the upgrade? That is something that we would have to ask, they would have to ask the RDC. I think it should be asked. I mean does everyone agree? The RDC has invested a really extraordinary amount of money in that building and it was continuing to do so. They've got some repairs that they're working on right now and then one important expense D is that the mill funds through the CTP fund two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year in the mill partnership agreement which is the mill the mills agreement with the RDC for the mill to manage the development of the trades district including management of the forge property and so I wasn't here last BBA meeting so I'm not specifically familiar with the door request so I'm sorry I should probably should have put that request back in there and so they would like to put more accessible doors on the main entrance at the top of the stairs top of the ramp and then in their event space so they want two separate doors to be repaired however in their funding request they were asking for one more for this one I and I brought it to the board because I think that it is would be really useful for them we as this the city in general as far as their 88 requirements many buildings have been fitting for ADA compliance like at a higher level but many have not because the minimum requirement is just for a wheelchair to fit in it's not including automatic doors it's not including a lot of different things so that's why this is more of a want and not a need because the building does fit ADA requirements so do you think the funding request will change in I mean your conversations in light of the structural required structural changes that are underway there I think they're gonna have to take down a whole wall we aren't sure if that is actually happening yet I think we're still I don't think that that wall repairs happening the wall repair is happening but are they taking the whole wall down because I haven't had an update from that yeah yes I mean it that's the that's what the repair we're taking it down okay I'm afraid I don't I'm a little concerned if this conversation we're on the public record and we're maybe in the weeds on some of the mill repair work that isn't finalized and hasn't been approved by the RDC yet some of it has been so I'm just I just want to observe that this is just discussion no absolutely my in my conversations there were still options available so I don't know if that changes this funding request although I am an advocate for making all of our buildings accessible to everyone I know that there are people that use wheelchairs that frequent the mill that are members of the mill and they have expressed to me and other staff members that that this would be an amazing upgrade especially when talking about work and work is something that you spend most of your life doing if that's where your office is why not make their lives a little bit easier so that that's just but that's just my two cents and then we will discuss the warehouse at a later date sorry so what status of the mill request is that on this agenda to be to be considered are they coming back with a updated proposal I will be working with Victoria for an updated proposal there are some things that I have asked her for I've asked for the the small budget that I was talking about a little bit earlier as the change and I do want to speak to them about approaching the RDC about making the alteration because since that is a part of their lease it is something that I think the board would require not not necessarily the RDC paying for the for it but having permission to actually make the alteration so it's the request before us or are we the request is not before us this is just an update to answer the questions that you guys have last time thanks Steve for that and it sounds like that's a continuing work in progress toward a revised request that will be forthcoming okay and then all right anything else for your update we've tabled the warehouse for for now correct correct all right thank you so we have some financials to look over Cheryl thank you for getting us these lovely printout and I will actually I'll send you an updated version just for you so you'll have electronic copy but yeah I did it looked fine on my screen so we'll start with the profit and loss document and that is just for the month of December we got very delayed in getting this report to you minor little internal things that cost lots of delay so I apologize for that so for the month of December 2024 seven thousand seven hundred eighty dollars and eighty eight cents was brought in as income during December I'm gonna just go over the December so the profit and loss first sorry just make sure we're all everybody's rowing in the same the profit loss for the budget versus actual will do that one last because that is for the entire year okay okay sorry for that thanks yeah so out of that seven thousand seven hundred eighty dollars seven thousand six hundred and fifty nine dollars and seventy eight cents was bank interest and two dollars and eighty four cents was RRF loan late fees and a hundred eighteen dollars and twenty five cents was RRF loan interest and then on the expense side I still do not have this document I am so sorry Cheryl I can someone it's on page yeah 15 I'm so sorry I think it's on me I just okay 15 everybody who's going along the page before the okay it's just a little okay thank you everybody thank you so all right no problem okay good to go okay so I just talked about the interest at the very top and then on the expense side during the month of December sixty eight thousand four hundred fifty dollars was expended and that amounted to some arts and culture grants category of thirty two thousand one hundred fifty dollars you had a ten thousand dollars spent out of your education and entrepreneurship category and you had twenty seven thousand three hundred dollars spent out of your zone arts green category other income you had four hundred thirty three dollars and seventy seven cents brought in earned on interest from CDs so if you were just looking at your net income which is income minus your expense for the month of December you had a negative sixty one thousand two hundred thirty five dollars and thirty five cents because you get out more than you brought in and now if you just go to your your balance sheet which is that maybe the next page it was the first one it is a balance sheet page six for the PDF for everybody there we go this one no no page six that's the long one that there we go thank you so this is just really a snapshot of so your your total checking and savings balance as of December 31st 2024 was two million eight hundred eighty one thousand four hundred thirty eight dollars and eighty nine cents and you will see how much is in each each of your individual for individual banks and your long-term notes receivable total is hundred forty three thousand thirty four dollars and ninety cents so combined you are on December 31st your total assets came to three million twenty four thousand three hundred eighty three dollars and seventy nine cents and that's just a snapshot of the month of December so if you would like to then go to your profit and loss budget versus actual this is for the full year and I handed this out on the screen on the computer computer screen there each column is a page so so I distributed the the full view of that particular document and in 2024 199 thousand two hundred forty four dollars and forty seven cents was brought in as regular income which is reflects only thirty seven percent of your budget and that was budgeted very high because of a misunderstanding of how the income should be actually no actually this year it's because Catalan had backed up that's easy so this is actually what it should be okay all right and we're told that they're paying I have talked I had an email exchange just a few days ago with their accountants and they have expressed what needs to happen to Catalan's they have all of their invoices we have cleared everything with the county so it just needs to actually have that paid okay so in 2025 you will see an excess yes and this is for to Catalan which again is novo going forward but yes since this is 2024 in previous years it's still Catalan yes for the year of 2024 your CD interest amounted to six thousand two hundred seventeen dollars and ninety three cents so that is not budgeted because it's just extra income so it's listed at the very bottom of your profit and loss budget versus actual document if you want to look at the expense side overall forty eight point seven percent of your budget was expended during 2024 which came to 250 thousand six hundred fifty three dollars and ninety three cents the details of that amount will break it out by administrative seventy nine point eight percent of the budget was expended and that budget amount was forty seven thousand five hundred so you spent seventy nine seventy nine percent of that we do have a bonds category and of 350 thousand or three thousand five hundred dollars and none of that was expended in your grants category forty six percent of the four hundred thirty four thousand five hundred dollar budget was expended and that amounts to a hundred ninety nine thousand eight hundred thirty seven thousand ninety and ninety-four cents so under grants education and entrepreneurship why did we not disperse the forty five thousand dollars to Ivy Tech I feel like they come in each year it is it's actually listed down on oh no I guess it's yeah that's budget but it's not it's not under the actual it got listed I'm pretty sure did that not get paid out no it did get it definitely got paid out because I just got their report should be listed under that first column right which will take this up to six five forty four and under that category we didn't spend any other grants so not the training or enhancement no okay most of them most of the scholarships that we put out last year were well the scholarship that we did put out last year were president economic independent scholarships and then the grants education other is that MCC SC the 50 thousand thousand yes okay so that seems so that yeah for 2025 I actually broke that I set it up a little different than we did for that I had set up for this year so it feels like that $45,000 needs to be shifted under the column yes okay so that changes things for us so that gives us a 90k negative net income with that addition so it doubles what what our net income is showing here did we capture everything else are we are we sure we I'm looking at it right now I feel like we had some business accessibility last year approvals to I wonder what was the year before yeah I don't know if it was accessibility yeah maybe we didn't have winning last year maybe I'm thinking about wonder lab and yeah that was the only accessibility grant that we've given less part right because yeah okay all right so we didn't have anything in there I'm not finding that we paid IV tech just so D we've got some work to do to uncover that yeah we can look into it because I mean this is I mean this is taken directly from from the the payments the payment sheet and deposits yeah that's kind of what I was wondering I feel like the system is pulling from some software platform then there's something yeah maybe that it's kind of reflected in the bank so get made so so this is accurate so that means we owe Ivy Tech 45,000 which is interesting because and then we'll have just reviewed their report from their funding from last year okay so okay all right well we'll figure out what's going on okay yeah all right so we can say though that what we're seeing is accurate based on last year's okay so that'll just be a follow-up for Ivy Tech so I just want to go back and double-check as well okay yeah I feel like this is a QuickBooks report it's got to be and it's got a tie and it's balanced with the financial statements each month okay so I agree I feel like then it's unlikely that the QuickBooks has an error there like that and I was just like I'm thinking well maybe I put it under a wrong category right that would be my human error okay if I put it in a wrong category but I don't see a $45,000 okay thank you thanks for that things for checking okay sorry Cheryl I totally interrupted oh no so just as a under the grants categories you have we have basically five categories so the arts and culture grants sixty one point three percent was extended your education entrepreneurship category twenty six point three percent was expended of the eighty two thousand dollar budget education that's eighty three point five percent expended of the sixty seven thousand five hundred dollar budget the twenty thousand dollar budget under miscellaneous grants we did not extend and zone improvements he ended up spending thirty thirty one point three percent of the hundred thirty five thousand dollar budget so just kind of a good overview that of those great categories so so overall again that's forty eight point seven percent of your budget was extended yeah and I just wanted to clarify I'm going under the assumption that there's discussion that you wanted to have the reports on a quarterly basis is that what you wanted to go to are you wanting to still do monthly I thought that you had some discussion and I was thinking you wanted to yeah I'm fine with continuing doing the revenue the revenue forecast and updating that spreadsheet monthly so either way I just wanted to because I know that your your time is very limited and being able to just do this once instead of every month is quarterly quarterly then every month is probably in May would we have q1 reports yeah yeah I just got the deposit slips for March this morning so there's only three deposits I mean it's really fast to be to finish up for one it's ready I know we've been there's been a increasing grant application lately so even if we don't do a full budget it might be good to know where we're at on our overall grant budgets monthly just to keep track of things because we can lose a lot of information in a month yeah agreed and DNR talked about that because just the process of getting agreement sign money's distributed you know it kind of has a it lags behind the reports anyway and then we're even on quarterly we're still maybe a couple of months behind you know real-time so D is going to continue to keep some real-time information I think for us and bring that so that like last month when we had this chart of what's been committed to so we know for any particular budget item with grants the financial statements are not necessarily the real-time commitments that they're not going to reflect those details that exactly so D you've committed to keeping the board updated on that so we can make informed decisions about what those budget items look like and where we are on track with that so with that he's bringing up with us does everyone feel okay then about quarterly reports on the statements financial statements we good do we need a vote on that D or just I think that we probably should do a vote on it okay all right so do I have a motion motion second second all those in favor all right and then we have to do a roll call Heather Robinson I Jane Cooper Smith I believe this for now yeah thank you okay all right great thank you Cheryl oh you're very welcome appreciate it all right okay so D what's up next we have my agenda a grant review fun stuff the fun stuff that we get to do we have a grant review for friendly beasts and I think we have someone from friendly beast here with us today thank you for joining us did you want to talk about this a little bit and then if our guests wanted to say a couple of words or whatnot we welcome that yeah absolutely so I don't know if you're all familiar with friendly beasts but it's a cidery on the B line it's really an amazing addition to that area I know they've been around for about six or seven years cider but they do have food trucks come in so it's nice to have a business that's also helping other businesses in their promotion and cross-promoting and things like that this is for a general just facade improvement for the summertime there will be power washing repainting of the facade some furniture and things like that it's pretty straightforward in the budget that's put in that's in the packet so it's painting the facade power washing materials for a custom bench planners and tables for the patio labor for the custom bench plants soil eight metal stools wooden picnic tables three patio umbrellas three patio umbrellas under table bases and moving an unused air conditioner unit to beautify the space the total project is five thousand one hundred and fifteen dollars and fifty three cents friendly beast will contribute half of that which is two thousand two thousand five hundred fifty seven dollars and seventy six cents and they are requesting two thousand five hundred fifty seven dollars and seventy seven cents does anyone have any questions this is relatively straightforward I do have a couple but I don't have to go first other people have questions do we know how old the building is that they're in um I do not know how old the building is Toby do you know how old the building is? I do okay I just saw that was under building improvement grant I didn't know if it was applicable under a facade grant no I that building is not applicable for a facade grant I do know that my question was just about the use of funds so I'm clicking on the attachments but I only get taken to a city webpage for some reason so I can't see it but it's just the parameters of the grant so this is a building improvement grant but there's quite a bit of personal property that was mentioned in the list which is really important like those those are expensive assets for a business to purchase so I'm not questioning the need for those but it is a building improvement grant the right category for purchasing some of those materials yeah I was looking at the grant description and in ineligible project would be new signage which seems to me that would be in that same sort of category as furniture just things that are not necessarily a fixed I don't know I could see signage more than furniture furniture sorry so if that is the case I would recommend the board considering an ADA grant because when we look at some of the seating because of the because of the style of chairs and tables and benches replacing those things with ADA compliant furniture I think that that's something that if the board would be amenable to friendly beasts making that effort as far as the furniture goes for an ADA I think that that is a possibility if there if the board feels that the building improvement isn't fully applicable to the list of items so but your understanding I mean you move this forward so your understanding is that furniture is an applicable expense for that kind of personal property I we did have a discussion about this because furniture can be taken from the split from the place but also the point of the grants is to remove cost burden I think that that I think that because there is an alternative for the board to use the ADA grant for the furniture I think that not considering personal property in general from the building improvement grant is fine at like overall like as the overall policy of that grant because yes there are things that can be removed and taken away I think that when it comes to personal property like we're talking about a sign that's affixed to the building that can be building improvement because you will probably have to get a different sign for a different building when there are things that are actually affixed to the actual edifice of the building or in the building that is connected to the building building improvement when we're talking about moving things tables chairs you know clothing racks things like that those are those are personal property for sure because they can't get taken away this is still a little muddy for me so what I would feel comfortable with approving today is painting facade of power washing those are clearly business building improvements I don't see in the in the table I don't see the signage cost or I don't maybe that comes under painting but for the ADA question I think that I would consider approving for ADA equipment but it's not clear from this material what is like there's a bunch of furniture is all of it ADA is it formally ADA compliant or is it you know what I mean like there's just it doesn't feel this just feels like it's got three different categories of things so some stuff qualifies under building some stuff might qualify under ADA and some other stuff just doesn't really seem to qualify for me or just not for me I don't want to personalize it and so I think if you could untangle that then we could figure out what we can approve the ADA suggestion was just something that I thought of at this point in time that is not something that I've approached the applicant about but I think that I worth giving this giving this back to the applicant to reconfigure their application for ADA and making those considerations for what they want to build and what they want to put in after this but I would be comfortable with a motion to approve their painting and power washing so that they can move forward with that springtime is really important for businesses especially on the trail and I know that they are probably really ready to to move on that so I'll set that there and back up I was trying to find last month we approved the grant for the place on Rogers that included a display case gold dust I don't know why my packet won't open all the way it just says I can't see all the pages but what grant was that because we did do there was a sign and there was yeah we actually talked about yeah and a display case could be removed right and you know we kind of said that and I don't I don't know but we did approve that we did approve things so so so the counter so the counter is something that's affixed to the actual building that is in the goldest application that is something that they are not going to take with them the sign I actually clarified on the side they actually did not know about the ordinance but the sign that they want is within the bounds of the ordinance so it's very small it's a very small light box that I was like well you can't really stick it to the building on the outside because that is part of the ordinance yeah so their sign does fit within those parameters but yeah the the last the last grant yes there were some there were some personal property but the majority of it of the grant was to do building improvement so and okay so that was a building improvement grant and some of it could be moved basically okay some of this feels like beautification and you know and I I think that that's not necessarily an unworthy thing for for businesses but I just I just don't feel that we have a place for her where it fits you know and so our guidelines are such and I agree with with Jane that eleven hundred and fifty dollars for the power painting facade and power washing could be an option for today and maybe we could revisit some of these other pieces and whether or not you know does that put us on a slippery slope if we started proving things like like this because then that opens up a lot of avenues for grants and maybe that's okay I just feel like there's there needs to be some clarification or further further discussion on it thoughts I can just reading the business improvement grant in our our laws here I can see it applying it is an external visual improvement from what is existing I could see it applying if you know without too much you know skewing of what that is I'm fine with it as little as it is but it's up to everybody but if I may please on a business standpoint when you're trying to do a project if you can keep steadily moving even with a smaller thing it makes a big deal instead of you waiting in the standstill and not taking the chance to advance in the next step they may miss out on something that they need to do now but we can't approve something to make them move forward we should Michael can you share that description with us oh sure building improvement grant this grant aims to improve the physical condition of a business's buildings in the enterprise zone and promotes economic vitality and beautification of the community this grant seeks to assist small business owners in updating and improving internal and external visual improvements preservation and structural integrity I I do want to prove this grant so that's my lens I would say that I think it is small and I think like if I mean I know do you're saying the display case is was was it not a display case and it was a register it was a counter yeah they're like you they were using a display case probably would stay there I mean I feel like the build out of the space in front of friendly beasts is very specific to that space where I guess you could take it with you if you left but maybe not because it's like the park is that it's going to be built out for that parking lot and I will say a couple things I think it doesn't look very great the way it is now like it looks really temporary or kind of just like thrown together a little right and I think building it out to where it looks like an extension of the building makes it much more inviting for people to come in and sit kind of like it's almost like a park lit to me like it's or or the Kirkwood conversion that kind of like Uptown did where they actually put an entire wooded deck out it reminds me more of like a wooded deck so I do see it as an external visual improvement I guess too I don't see it as a huge difference in some of the things we approve for gold dust I guess it's hard to distinguish those for me and you all feel square with that and the furniture and the yeah so bringing up Uptown when you think about their deck that is actually personal property because they can remove it okay and put it back that's what they do annually so I mean if you want to get down to the nuts and bolts of that it's actually personal property so if they asked for a grant for something like that where does that where does that fall because it is improvement right and it is beautification but it's also something that they can take away mm-hmm so I'd support Jane's recommendation and you know comments that Felicia made that to approve the all of the elements that are not furniture related and then figure out if we can come up with another way it's behaving more like a fixed asset and it is an area that needs improvement but I do feel a little weird about some of the yeah I don't know but I mean it's a board in the board this is not like Indiana tax compliance that we're talking about I think the board has the ability to and did in its program define what it wants to support and then support that but I was just throwing a flag because I think we should try color within the lines yeah I see where I'm okay supporting whatever the majority wants to do I would say like I do I know we are nimble and flexible which is a wonderful thing about the VA and I would say yes I see friendly beast like very different than uptown friendly beast is very small and is open a few days a week and it's in an area of town that doesn't have anything like this so I think it's very neighborhood hub ask and it's making like a third space for the neighborhoods around it and that because of the nature of it being so small it does need potentially like more access to grant funds because a bench is expensive and it takes a lot of cider pints to make up for that but I also understand if it's not in the parameters of the grant it is not so I guess I would also say like is there a way that it can be something right if and maybe it's not all today so maybe they come back but I would I would love to just help businesses in the zone grow and especially that area is very proud it's very exposed yeah and so any improvement will be huge because of how much you can see it yeah I guess if you take just the the permanent more permanent related items the total that friendly beasts is spending on that is twenty six forty two sixteen and that is over half so if you consider the rest of the project materials as their match I don't know I think I could I guess I think I could get on board with that it isn't a ton of money yeah yeah so I don't believe it would our guests want to say anything about the property recently joining this business and part of that was because there was a lot of certainty with the lease and Convention Center and become part of the convention center but we do have a lease for another year and a half hopefully that will be extended for that right now but I think that's why the space has been sort of delighted that we can make it look really nice and be a really welcoming place and I think when we had talked initially we kind of focused on the beautification part that you were also mentioning that's what we intend to do and yeah because it's a winery cidery winery it can be all ages that's yeah it's a space that can be very welcoming and we need some attention and there's a lot we can do to do that. Thank you. Where do we land? So where are we? I would make a motion to a different funding. Yeah there's a few things that we've talked about so we've talked about that we're feeling good about the painting facade power washing and maybe the built-in custom benches and planters because those are things that seem to be like more permanent and as Jane noted that total comes up to 26-42-16 so the board can choose to fund half of that if we were sticking to sort of the things we fund as far as a 50% match on on those which would put us at 13-21-08 or we could follow the path of saying 25-57 is a little less than half of those particular items and we're willing to fund that portion knowing that the total project is over five thousand so it's that how's that for a word soup everyone so I'd make a motion to approve the entire funds the 25-57 okay we also we have a second on that all right so we'll need a roll call then on it so Emerson yes Jane Cooper Smith yes Heather Robinson yes Kate Rosenberger yes Harry Morgan yes Michael Hover yes the Lisa and Virginia was there now oh Virginia to Virginia hello I think you have to put your camera so do you want okay I'm sorry Virginia we didn't do your vote can you tell us again okay thank you all right motion passes good discussion around that I think that's helpful for some clarification would we be willing to revisit the new signage ineligibility in this grant I don't remember the rationale for that and it just seems to me that that would be specifically excluded sure so I'd be happy to amend that okay yes I think they should come back you know another thing about friendly be sorry that I didn't realize is that they are a cidery slash winery where there's basically no place in town like them and because of my age I have a lot of friends with the like elementary school children and there's like no place to go to take them to take kids where you can order a drink at a counter and friendly beasts like really might be the only one yeah because kids aren't allowed in bars unless there's food but so many places then you have to order from a server at a table and it's just it is a mess yeah so that's really neat thank you and good discussion everyone with a nicer weather on its way we'll all look forward to seeing the improvements to that space all right we are just about on time I don't D I didn't see anything else on the agenda for for today other than I know you put some budget projections in here we don't we don't really have time to get into that but I would just say the biggest Delta there is the Catalan back eased revenue which is 400 no well if they pay everything right it's it's a lot of money it's 400 it's if they paid for if they clear up the what they pay what they owe for this year and past years it's somewhere in the neighborhood of seven hundred thousand so that's a lot of money for us a lot of money and I may have mentioned it before the meeting started but we have cleared all the paperwork for the county I've spoken to their accountants I have sent them all of their invoices they are receiving their corrected tax bill for the real estate property on April 16th I believe that everything else has already been corrected so at this point I believe that they are going to pay everything that they owe because their accountants have gone through a lot of trouble to get this all figured out so I'm maybe maybe maybe I'm naive but I will keep pressing and I will keep checking in with their accountants and checking with them knowing that those funds are coming for sure and receiving those funds could give the board I think some more flexibility about maybe exceeding budgets in some areas where we've talked about we're already kind of hitting up against what we planned for so having that additional revenue secured and knowing that that is in in the bank that could maybe give us some comfort with it's you know exceeding the budget some this year where last year we didn't meet budgets we were like $92,000 under our zone improvement grant so we might consider that yeah all right thank you everyone it's one o'clock appreciate it ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance") ("Pomp and Circumstance")