WEBVTT 00:00:00.418 --> 00:00:09.501 - Welcome, everyone. Welcome to Spring and Bloomington, kind of. So we'll get started with a roll call 00:00:09.501 --> 00:00:18.944 - around the room. Jane, do you want to kick things off? Jane Coopersmith, BU-EA. Dee DeLaRosa, ESD, stuff 00:00:18.944 --> 00:00:28.118 - that you've done. Cheryl Gilliland, Deputy Controller, City Controller's Office. Tegan Garner, Staff. 00:00:28.118 --> 00:00:30.366 - Virginia Gethiri, BU-EA. 00:00:30.658 --> 00:00:41.925 - Heather Robinson, BUEA. Katerina Ka, BUEA. Kate Rosenbarger, BUEA. Michael Hover, BUEA. Kalisa Spinelli, 00:00:41.925 --> 00:00:52.655 - BUEA. Excellent. And Alex Pratt, legal. Cool. Do we have someone else on character? And then, do we 00:00:52.655 --> 00:00:58.878 - have a guest? Eric, can you just state your name, please? 00:01:00.546 --> 00:01:11.416 - You are on mute. Good afternoon. My name is Eric Hose. Thank you. All right. Welcome, everyone. Yeah. 00:01:11.416 --> 00:01:21.434 - So we have a new face in the room. Hey. Welcome. Katerina, how do I pronounce your last name? 00:01:21.434 --> 00:01:28.894 - Is it Coke? Ka. Ka? Ka. OK. So Katerina Ka, she is our newest member. 00:01:29.058 --> 00:01:36.417 - and is in the C3 position that Mary Morgan used to occupy. If you want to tell us a little bit about 00:01:36.417 --> 00:01:43.996 - yourself. Sure. My name is Katarina Caw. I moved to Bloomington over 12 years ago, left for about seven 00:01:43.996 --> 00:01:51.792 - years, and I've done my Bloomerang. I came back in 2023. I'm the executive director of the Lotus Education 00:01:51.792 --> 00:01:59.006 - Arts Foundation. I have a dog and two cats. I met my husband here when I came back to Bloomington. 00:01:59.330 --> 00:02:08.732 - Yeah. Anything particular else I should share? Yeah. Great. That's great. Cool. Great. Okay. Thank you. 00:02:08.732 --> 00:02:17.952 - Thank you. Good deal. D. All right. So we do have minutes, but on that note, we need to reapprove the 00:02:17.952 --> 00:02:27.806 - December minutes because somehow in the recording and in our notes, we missed the first and second in there. 00:02:28.802 --> 00:02:35.889 - I will leave it to you to make that happen. Can we do December and February together? Yes. Is everyone 00:02:35.889 --> 00:02:42.907 - okay with that? Were there any questions on the minutes, comments, corrections? Anything, anybody see 00:02:42.907 --> 00:02:50.201 - anything? No, we've already approved the end of the time, the December minutes. I didn't see any problems 00:02:50.201 --> 00:02:51.646 - with February. Okay. 00:02:52.450 --> 00:02:59.327 - Hearing that there are no corrections or anything. Do we have a motion to approve both December and 00:02:59.327 --> 00:03:06.410 - December 2025 and February 2026 minutes? Motion. Motion. Do we have a second? Second. Second. And then 00:03:06.410 --> 00:03:13.630 - we'll need to do a roll call for approval since we have Felisa online. So Jane, you want to start again? 00:03:13.630 --> 00:03:21.470 - Yeah. Jane, first, 9th, aye. And then it comes to you, Virginia. Virginia, get there, yes. Heather Robinson, yes. 00:03:22.306 --> 00:03:32.189 - Katerina, should I stay in? You can, yeah, since you were not here. Kate Rosenberger, yes. Michael Hoever, 00:03:32.189 --> 00:03:41.517 - yes. Belisa Spinelli, yes. Thank you. It looks like Eric has his hand up. Eric? Yeah, I have a point 00:03:41.517 --> 00:03:50.846 - of order. Did you have quorum in February? Yes. Yes. And did you also satisfy the electronic meeting 00:03:52.098 --> 00:04:00.652 - Yes. Law. Yes. Sorry, is it public comments? Yeah, also we're not in a section of public comments. Oh, 00:04:00.652 --> 00:04:09.041 - I'm sorry. This is somewhat intimate. Yeah, we don't usually have people online. So yeah. Sorry. The 00:04:09.041 --> 00:04:15.934 - reason I asked that is I think it's not public comment right now. Yeah. All right. 00:04:16.994 --> 00:04:24.422 - Eric, we can come back to that when we get to general. It's not even typically public comment on this 00:04:24.422 --> 00:04:31.850 - agenda. But you can allow it, Heather, later if you want to. Sure. Or whatever you want to. Yeah. Can 00:04:31.850 --> 00:04:39.352 - we have to move to add it to the agenda? OK. All right. Yes, we will allow. Eric, if you can just hang 00:04:39.352 --> 00:04:46.270 - on. We'll have a space for public comment. We will have to add it to the agenda, approve that. 00:04:46.658 --> 00:04:55.288 - process and then we can add it to the agenda. Okay, so Dee, then on to director's report. Okay, 00:04:55.288 --> 00:05:04.278 - pretty quick. So we took care of the meeting minutes, easing reminders and invoices. We're going to 00:05:04.278 --> 00:05:12.638 - send those next week. We're still working on getting all of the correct contact information. 00:05:12.770 --> 00:05:20.240 - and we've confirmed that DMA will still be representing Novo Nordisk. So thankfully, there's not a lot 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:27.493 - of confusion getting all that taken care of. Once again, board members, if you have recommendations 00:05:27.493 --> 00:05:34.746 - for the remaining open seats, please let me know as soon as possible. You can also contact Jennifer 00:05:34.746 --> 00:05:39.678 - Crossley in the clerk's department directly for anything like that. 00:05:40.098 --> 00:05:47.566 - And then something exciting that has happened recently. We had a little ESO meeting. So it's 00:05:47.566 --> 00:05:55.597 - Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Support Organization meeting. So it was myself, some people from 00:05:55.597 --> 00:06:03.627 - the mill, SBDC, and the chamber just got together and kind of talked about what we do. It was a lot 00:06:03.627 --> 00:06:08.606 - of people who were boots on the ground, which was really fun. 00:06:08.834 --> 00:06:16.057 - Some of the things that we are in the process of working on is having a resource desk at the mill. So 00:06:16.057 --> 00:06:23.210 - that would be pretty much open to the public or any of the entrepreneurs or startups that are there. 00:06:23.210 --> 00:06:30.433 - The members of each said organization will rotate out so we can tell people, I can sit there and tell 00:06:30.433 --> 00:06:36.382 - people about the city and the opportunities there, and the chamber can do the same. 00:06:37.602 --> 00:06:48.303 - the former small business entrepreneurship person over at Amplify. Her team was working on a database 00:06:48.303 --> 00:06:56.382 - of all of the potential resources within the city and in surrounding county. 00:06:56.578 --> 00:07:02.913 - So that's going to be a really great database for us to work with to create a resource rail for people 00:07:02.913 --> 00:07:09.124 - to be able to access, and then eventually doing some ecosystem mapping. So obviously, because the BU 00:07:09.124 --> 00:07:15.398 - has resources, you guys will be on that list as well. And so we're really excited. It's kind of small 00:07:15.398 --> 00:07:21.548 - steps, foundational steps, but I think it could be really good. And it's nice to get all of us in a 00:07:21.548 --> 00:07:24.254 - room together, because we see each other in 00:07:24.738 --> 00:07:36.221 - in large meetings, but never get to just specifically talk about what we do. So those are nice. Other 00:07:36.221 --> 00:07:47.816 - than that, that's really all I have. So then we have some financial reports to look at. Cheryl, thanks 00:07:47.816 --> 00:07:49.054 - for having 00:07:49.282 --> 00:08:06.710 - the end of year reports available and ready. So if you want to talk about the year end and so forth, 00:08:06.710 --> 00:08:19.134 - just sort of like the bigger picture. And when you're looking at Latch, 00:08:19.266 --> 00:08:33.605 - At 2025, on your budget to actual, I provided the report that shows all the details. When we're looking 00:08:33.605 --> 00:08:44.222 - at just on the income side, you exceeded the amount of money you brought in. 00:08:44.418 --> 00:08:54.995 - based on over the budgeted amount of what you expected. But basically by 83 percent. So that was really 00:08:54.995 --> 00:09:05.471 - good. Yeah. To bring in more than you anticipated. But I do think that some of it was a back pay from. 00:09:05.471 --> 00:09:14.014 - Yeah. So, you know, that you know, you're you're you're doing really well with your 00:09:14.882 --> 00:09:26.951 - with on your income side. So then when you look on the expense side, you spent 61% of your budget, which 00:09:26.951 --> 00:09:38.789 - is a lot better than you did in 2024. 2024, you only spent 48% of your budget. So that was nice to see 00:09:38.789 --> 00:09:44.766 - because I think that's a reflection of your budget. 00:09:44.866 --> 00:09:54.817 - your leadership and you know in terms of some of the budgeted items in 2024 just didn't get off the 00:09:54.817 --> 00:10:04.868 - ground and where I think in 2025 you had you know great response and you know I think narrowed in on 00:10:04.868 --> 00:10:11.934 - some of your programs a little bit better and so that was nice to see. 00:10:13.602 --> 00:10:27.399 - And I will just say that one category in your admin category, it shows that you overspent by 14%. And 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:42.142 - this is really not correct, because on the management side, you'll see that it says $100,000 that was spent. 00:10:42.370 --> 00:10:52.907 - It's really only $50,000 because we had an error in kind of an overpayment. The check was written and 00:10:52.907 --> 00:11:04.063 - instead of being deposited into, because it was written to the city of Bloomington for internal management, 00:11:04.063 --> 00:11:11.294 - it was deposited back into not the city account, but the VUA account. 00:11:12.162 --> 00:11:22.166 - So the check had to be rewritten. So it was rewritten and shows up here. But the correction for the 00:11:22.166 --> 00:11:32.271 - first wrong deposit didn't happen until January. So it's kind of skewed a little bit, just so that I 00:11:32.271 --> 00:11:39.774 - just know. So in January, we're going to have a negative $50,000 that will 00:11:40.354 --> 00:11:49.333 - Yeah, it balances itself out. So in terms of just looking at your budget, it's really kind of over-saving 00:11:49.333 --> 00:11:57.804 - because you really didn't spend $100,000 on management fees. So just so that you know that. So that 00:11:57.804 --> 00:12:06.445 - does add $50,000 more technically to the net income for the year. Exactly. So we're over $500,000 for 00:12:06.445 --> 00:12:08.478 - the year then. Yes. So. 00:12:08.578 --> 00:12:20.235 - But yeah, so if you look down at all of your different grant categories, you spent 56% of your grant 00:12:20.235 --> 00:12:32.123 - budgets overall, which was really good. Other than that, yeah, there's not really. And I will also say 00:12:32.123 --> 00:12:37.086 - that it's not reflected on this particular 00:12:38.242 --> 00:12:48.975 - profit and lost budget versus actual but on your balance sheet and I think the balance sheet I provided 00:12:48.975 --> 00:12:59.501 - is just for the end of the year, it shows the full year. It was pointed out that PALS is still listed 00:12:59.501 --> 00:13:06.622 - and I did not, I was not aware that that needs to be removed because 00:13:07.106 --> 00:13:18.142 - evidently the group decided to cover that balance after the tornado over the summer. And so I can go 00:13:18.142 --> 00:13:29.506 - back and get that corrected and then provide you with an updated or I could wait and do it for the 2026 00:13:29.506 --> 00:13:36.062 - where you actually have budgeted to cover a lot of your RRF 00:13:37.378 --> 00:13:45.059 - Yeah, because the PALS is actually included in that. It's included in the future forgiveness pot of 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:52.816 - money. It is? It's not? Yes. That's how I factored it in mathematically, but I didn't make you aware 00:13:52.816 --> 00:14:00.651 - of what we were doing because you weren't at that meeting. I just forgot. Yeah, so if you want it, we 00:14:00.651 --> 00:14:03.646 - can just reflect it in 26 if you wish. 00:14:04.130 --> 00:14:11.200 - Yeah I mean it was approved in 25 and so at this point making a prior year adjustment seems like a lot 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:18.271 - for that since we do have budget for forgiveness and that one was in particular one that was converted 00:14:18.271 --> 00:14:25.273 - to a grant the board approved that so yes we'd like to I think I mean I would say that it makes sense 00:14:25.273 --> 00:14:30.078 - to put it in 26 but I welcome anyone else's comments on that as well. 00:14:34.082 --> 00:14:46.119 - doesn't then because it's just since we already have a budget for this year for it let's do that okay 00:14:46.119 --> 00:14:58.510 - perfect yeah well then you'll see that when I provide the quarter one for 2026 any questions from anyone 00:14:58.510 --> 00:15:03.230 - on the reports that Charles provided we 00:15:04.354 --> 00:15:15.220 - The net income gain of $500,000 is a lot, gang. So that's, you know. I have a question. It may be for 00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:25.872 - another time. But I was just wondering about, are there goals or percentage goals for utilizing the 00:15:25.872 --> 00:15:31.838 - grants? Yeah. D, that's probably more. Well, all of it. 00:15:31.970 --> 00:15:40.573 - Yeah. I mean, the goal is 100% every time. But realistically, if we can get to an average of 50% on 00:15:40.573 --> 00:15:49.177 - all of them, because it is a considerable amount of money to pump out, some of the grants we expend 00:15:49.177 --> 00:15:57.780 - very quickly, and some of them we just do not. But if we can do an average of 50% on all of them, I 00:15:57.780 --> 00:16:01.566 - think that makes me feel pretty good. Yeah. 00:16:01.666 --> 00:16:13.098 - I would agree. But I mean, I just think that the group has done a much better job consistently over 00:16:13.098 --> 00:16:24.874 - the last five years to set the budget amount closer to more realistic and made adjustments and getting 00:16:24.874 --> 00:16:30.590 - the word out there. I mean, people have to apply. 00:16:31.682 --> 00:16:41.334 - for the grants as well. Thank you. Excuse me, anything further on financial reports or any questions? 00:16:41.334 --> 00:16:50.986 - And if you have questions, don't hesitate to reach out. I mean, I know it's a lot of material to take 00:16:50.986 --> 00:17:00.638 - in at first and a lot of information, so if you do review the questions, don't hesitate to reach out. 00:17:01.794 --> 00:17:14.421 - Okay, so we do need a motion to approve the Q4 2025 financial reports with a noting that the administration 00:17:14.421 --> 00:17:26.113 - or management fee there is more. It's not gonna be adjustment on this or anything, but just to make 00:17:26.113 --> 00:17:29.854 - that note, as Cheryl explained. 00:17:30.498 --> 00:17:40.047 - If we could have a motion to approve the financials. You got a motion for me? Second. I'll second. OK. 00:17:40.047 --> 00:17:49.873 - If we can do around the room roll call for approval. Jane Coversmith, aye. Virginia Gethary, aye. Heather 00:17:49.873 --> 00:17:59.422 - Robinson, aye. Kettering Nicole, aye. Pete Rosenberger, yes. Michael Hover, yes. Felisa Spinelli, yes. 00:18:01.986 --> 00:18:11.792 - Thank you. All right, Dee, what's up next? We have a business building improvement grant application 00:18:11.792 --> 00:18:21.599 - from Wonder Lab. For full disclosure, I am on the Wonder Lab board. However, since I am not a voting 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:27.230 - member, all I can do is present you with the information. 00:18:28.450 --> 00:18:37.214 - This grant is to replace windows in the. Oh, sorry. I thought I already had it up. 00:19:21.378 --> 00:19:35.590 - Okay. Yeah, the pictures are really big. Yeah. They are big. They are big. Hello, little stuffed animal. 00:19:35.590 --> 00:19:37.214 - Window key. 00:19:50.946 --> 00:20:14.345 - Hang on just a second, folks. Yeah. Alex, can you go get your chats, please? Can you go get your chats, 00:20:14.345 --> 00:20:19.070 - please? Sorry, guys. 00:20:57.474 --> 00:20:57.822 - Sorry. 00:21:52.514 --> 00:21:58.738 - transparent I was just verifying with legal that there's not a conflict of interest for D to present 00:21:58.738 --> 00:22:04.901 - since she serves on the wonder lab board. She's not a voting member, but our goal at the city is to 00:22:04.901 --> 00:22:11.126 - avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest as well as actual conflicts of interest. So my concern 00:22:11.126 --> 00:22:17.535 - was that it inadvertently favors wonder lab by having a staff member present on their behalf, but legal 00:22:17.535 --> 00:22:21.726 - is saying no, it's okay for D to present she is not voting. And she 00:22:22.178 --> 00:22:30.977 - so she doesn't have the option of recusing herself. So you're presenting a staff report on behalf of 00:22:30.977 --> 00:22:39.775 - Wonder Lab. You're not acting in your board member role. I am not. OK. I just wanted to clarify that 00:22:39.775 --> 00:22:48.574 - for the record. Thanks. Thank you, Jane. Appreciate that. All right, Dee. So Wonder Lab has received 00:22:48.802 --> 00:22:58.044 - grants from the BEA in the past. However, they have not applied for this specific grant. This is a business 00:22:58.044 --> 00:23:06.858 - building improvement grant to cover the replacement of some windows that have been in the building for 00:23:06.858 --> 00:23:15.843 - almost as long as the building has stood. Pretty basic replacement. You'll note that there is an updated 00:23:15.843 --> 00:23:17.726 - budget from the draft 00:23:18.370 --> 00:23:28.752 - that I sent out, which was on board or may still be. There were some labor costs that they wanted covered 00:23:28.752 --> 00:23:38.743 - and within the labor costs that they were asking to have covered cannot be covered within this grant. 00:23:38.743 --> 00:23:47.166 - So the ask numbers have been adjusted for the appropriate amounts. So WonderLab is my 00:23:47.426 --> 00:24:04.490 - The screen just got small again, sorry. Because these pictures are big. So the ask is for, if I can 00:24:04.490 --> 00:24:09.950 - find the budget now. Apologies. 00:24:12.002 --> 00:24:31.123 - The ask is for $4,094.16. The total cost of the project is $8,188.31. That would be $7,793.11 for the 00:24:31.123 --> 00:24:41.246 - windows and $395.20 for the labor for the Bloomington 00:24:41.698 --> 00:24:50.845 - Glass, I believe, is the company. City Glass. City Glass, sorry. It's pretty straightforward. Building 00:24:50.845 --> 00:25:00.258 - improvement grant. I think that 395 is the staff time for the work during the replacement. Is that right? 00:25:00.258 --> 00:25:09.138 - To clear the gift store and be present for the install. So it's sort of a part of that construction 00:25:09.138 --> 00:25:11.358 - cost is what I'm seeing. 00:25:13.570 --> 00:25:22.815 - Yeah, that was up in there. Oh, I did not see that. Yeah, it was their staff time to remove items from 00:25:22.815 --> 00:25:32.061 - the gift shop. And I think they estimated at 16 hours or something like that, if I remember correctly. 00:25:32.061 --> 00:25:39.870 - Not on that page yet. And so they were asking for BUA to cover the staff time as well. 00:25:40.162 --> 00:25:46.481 - Oh, okay. So the reason that's included is because in the application they state that they are closed 00:25:46.481 --> 00:25:52.738 - on Mondays. They're doing the installation, they're doing overtime hours for staff time to clear the 00:25:52.738 --> 00:25:58.995 - facility and prepare for the installation and have people on site. So that's why these expenses were 00:25:58.995 --> 00:26:05.438 - broken down in actual immediate costs of the installation and construction costs. Okay, that's helpful. 00:26:07.074 --> 00:26:16.790 - Quick question. So the grant, does it require a match? It does require a 50% match. OK. And then those 00:26:16.790 --> 00:26:26.223 - labor costs. If you see the very back. Yeah. So those labor costs are included in the construction. 00:26:26.223 --> 00:26:36.222 - The grant doesn't cover other labor other than the construction, is that right? Yeah. So in the original. 00:26:36.802 --> 00:26:42.803 - The original budget that they gave us, there was lifetime maintenance, which we don't cover lifetime 00:26:42.803 --> 00:26:49.041 - maintenance. We cover the things that get you there and the things to complete the project, but we don't 00:26:49.041 --> 00:26:50.526 - do anything beyond that. 00:26:58.082 --> 00:27:05.525 - I would say the only part I am unsure about is the 395. I mean, so just when we're talking about this 00:27:05.525 --> 00:27:12.968 - grant versus other grants and what this might look like in another applicant. So I guess I don't know 00:27:12.968 --> 00:27:20.703 - that we've covered additional staff time before. That's my only question. Is that something we're already 00:27:20.703 --> 00:27:26.686 - into and are happy being in that space? Or is that, have we normally just covered 00:27:26.850 --> 00:27:37.603 - the cost of like an outside contractor coming in? The only thing that, let me think. Let me just look 00:27:37.603 --> 00:27:48.355 - something up really quick. Right, right. And I will say that most of the time when labor has been put 00:27:48.355 --> 00:27:55.102 - into a thing, it's just as labor and it's, I think that many of 00:27:55.426 --> 00:28:03.657 - of the projects that we funded have been for for-profit organizations. So take that however you'd like. 00:28:03.657 --> 00:28:11.888 - But mostly, it has just been lumped in as labor. And no, I have not seen it broken up like this before. 00:28:11.888 --> 00:28:19.802 - I would agree. I feel that it feels weird to pay the company that's receiving the grant of abortion 00:28:19.802 --> 00:28:23.838 - to cover those costs. It does feel a little fishy. 00:28:25.346 --> 00:28:34.113 - I think it's reasonable. It's not a large amount, but I could see it being taken advantage of in a different 00:28:34.113 --> 00:28:42.318 - application. Any kind of project requires you to... They're not going to bring in somebody into their 00:28:42.318 --> 00:28:50.764 - building and not have any staff to be able to manage the project. I guess if that cost is not considered 00:28:50.764 --> 00:28:54.142 - a component of construction, I can see it 00:28:54.242 --> 00:29:02.311 - I can see it both ways. Your new amount, then, would be a total cost of that $7,793.11. And then you'd 00:29:02.311 --> 00:29:10.223 - be at a grant cost of $3,896.56, just for reference. Does anybody else have any comments considering 00:29:10.223 --> 00:29:18.135 - that? Well, I'm thinking about what Brad would say if he were here. And he would want to know what's 00:29:18.135 --> 00:29:20.798 - in the policy and the guidelines. 00:29:21.314 --> 00:29:29.296 - I do think it's totally reasonable to include staff labor as a cost. This is an additional project outside 00:29:29.296 --> 00:29:36.383 - of the normal responsibilities that we're doing. So I think if they allocate staff time to it, 00:29:36.383 --> 00:29:43.992 - it's OK. It's just a question of what our policy is. And we may. Yeah, go ahead, Felisa. I think it's 00:29:43.992 --> 00:29:49.214 - reasonable. I just think no one ever went through putting the details 00:29:49.986 --> 00:29:59.937 - of significant, this is what we're paying who, what, when, and why. They just put labor. We've never 00:29:59.937 --> 00:30:10.479 - seen it before. Yeah. And it's actually only $197.50, if we think about it from the standpoint of. Because 00:30:10.479 --> 00:30:18.558 - they could complete these bills. We're contributing toward half of the total cost 00:30:18.754 --> 00:30:27.463 - here, so with the labor on it. I'm OK with the labor being in there, I think, for this particular situation. 00:30:27.463 --> 00:30:35.613 - I agree. And I kind of was in my mind about this, too. We haven't seen this. But if it's, as this is, 00:30:35.613 --> 00:30:43.604 - completely called out and very specific to the actual installation, the day of the installation and 00:30:43.604 --> 00:30:48.318 - the staff they need, I think that's reasonable to ask for. 00:30:48.578 --> 00:30:56.713 - some coverage, and it'll end up being half of the cost of the labor. On our website, for business building 00:30:56.713 --> 00:31:04.544 - improvement, we talk about eligibility criteria. We don't talk about ineligible expenses for this one, 00:31:04.544 --> 00:31:12.148 - but for minor improvement, we list ineligible expenses as routine maintenance, major renovations or 00:31:12.148 --> 00:31:18.078 - structural overhauls. Again, that's for the minor. Purchase of new equipment. 00:31:18.626 --> 00:31:26.112 - not related to repairs, debt repayment, or refinancing. So I think staff could own the action item of 00:31:26.112 --> 00:31:34.037 - updating the language on our website. And this might take us a little bit to get to, but to add in eligible 00:31:34.037 --> 00:31:41.670 - expenses for each category to kind of make those guidelines more robust. And if the board needs to vote 00:31:41.670 --> 00:31:47.614 - on that, we could make that official. So I also think, just from my observation, 00:31:48.322 --> 00:31:58.098 - opening or anything, but this window is huge. And I'm sure the business has a lot of merchandise and 00:31:58.098 --> 00:32:08.164 - things that must be removed in order to actually do the replacement. So it's kind of like tied in. They 00:32:08.164 --> 00:32:15.230 - can't just put it in from the outside. It just seems like a lot of work. 00:32:15.426 --> 00:32:24.487 - your home getting new carpeting or a floor out that you've got to move everything. So that's my observation. 00:32:24.487 --> 00:32:32.800 - Any other comments? I think this one doesn't worry me as much, right? I'm always like, what have we 00:32:32.800 --> 00:32:35.294 - done and what will we do that 00:32:36.578 --> 00:32:42.427 - I think, Heather, some of the reasons you gave were good. I don't know that it matters that it's a small 00:32:42.427 --> 00:32:48.053 - amount, because someone could come with a larger amount, and we would still have to figure that out. 00:32:48.053 --> 00:32:53.679 - I think because Wonder Lab is closed on Mondays, it's definitely a day when their staff would not be 00:32:53.679 --> 00:32:59.584 - working. I'm just going through some different scenarios, I think, that sometimes I think an organization 00:32:59.584 --> 00:33:05.266 - could have somebody else managing the project, in which case that would be covered in the cost of the 00:33:05.266 --> 00:33:06.046 - construction. 00:33:06.274 --> 00:33:13.590 - I think that you kind of said it was specific and it's closed that day. And I think that is important 00:33:13.590 --> 00:33:20.905 - to me because no matter what project comes here, some staff is going to be most likely managing it or 00:33:20.905 --> 00:33:28.221 - overseeing it to some degree. And it's like, when is it outside of the normal course of the business? 00:33:28.221 --> 00:33:30.014 - And I think this one is. 00:33:37.122 --> 00:33:44.855 - to pack up all the gift shop. I mean, it just feels like a situation like that when you're in a nonprofit, 00:33:44.855 --> 00:33:52.371 - especially everyone does that type of stuff. You don't hire out those types of things. And so the staff 00:33:52.371 --> 00:33:59.598 - would. And of course, they just would have to be there to open the door and let the contractors in. 00:33:59.598 --> 00:34:03.934 - They're doing the windows and all of these types of things. 00:34:04.130 --> 00:34:13.968 - I think it completely fits within the project, but Kate, I think you make a really good point about 00:34:13.968 --> 00:34:24.298 - in the future, if there's staff costs that are three, $4,000 and so forth. But again, if that's relevant 00:34:24.298 --> 00:34:33.054 - to the specific project and it is kind of boxed into that, it could be a reasonable ask. 00:34:34.626 --> 00:34:43.313 - to include that. But I agree, we should look at the language of the grant and maybe put some guidelines 00:34:43.313 --> 00:34:51.666 - on there, because I could see it getting taken advantage of. Yeah. I suppose it depends on how they 00:34:51.666 --> 00:35:00.186 - define it or the staff time needed for a specific thing. I think this is a clear need for staff to be 00:35:00.186 --> 00:35:04.446 - there. I suppose in some other projects it may not 00:35:04.962 --> 00:35:11.760 - you know, depending on what they're asking for. So, I mean, I'd hate to completely exclude it from the 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:18.558 - grant, I mean, but so what are you thinking as far as like parameters then? Like... I'm not quite sure 00:35:18.558 --> 00:35:25.224 - I think that would be a group effort to try to determine that, but... Yeah. Yeah. Because I wouldn't 00:35:25.224 --> 00:35:32.286 - want to put it in as an exclusion because in a situation like this, at least this is just me thinking that 00:35:32.834 --> 00:35:40.448 - I think it's fair for them to ask for that. Sure. But yeah, so I don't know what the specifics could 00:35:40.448 --> 00:35:48.137 - be around limiting something like that. Yeah, I mean, they're- I think this is a- sorry, Dee. Oh, no, 00:35:48.137 --> 00:35:55.826 - go ahead. No, go ahead. Please, go ahead. I think this is a case by case situation. Because like Kate 00:35:55.826 --> 00:36:02.686 - said, it could be a larger amount in a different situation where there's not staff needed. 00:36:02.978 --> 00:36:10.138 - And we determine the factor where we shouldn't be applying funds where a company doesn't need staff 00:36:10.138 --> 00:36:17.298 - there for this project. So we can't say, yes, we'll give money for staff to be on site when there's 00:36:17.298 --> 00:36:24.744 - a project all the time. Or no, we won't give money when staff need to be on site because each situation 00:36:24.744 --> 00:36:32.190 - will differ. And we have to determine on our end which we see fit. And that's going to be case by case. 00:36:32.866 --> 00:36:41.970 - We just need to make our website very clear that in that case, or in any case, if we see fit, we will 00:36:41.970 --> 00:36:51.074 - allow funds to be applicable. Yeah, I just wanted to say that there are a couple of things that could 00:36:51.074 --> 00:36:53.662 - potentially be put in there. 00:36:54.306 --> 00:37:00.211 - making the exception for non-profits, like making that just like, we'll do it for non-profits, but we 00:37:00.211 --> 00:37:06.290 - won't do it for for-profits because we do give this grant to for-profit businesses. So that's one thing. 00:37:06.290 --> 00:37:12.195 - Secondly, we are going to do it for non-profits, putting like a cap on it, where it's like only like, 00:37:12.195 --> 00:37:18.215 - so much money, we'll only pay up to this amount of labor, either this amount or this percentage against 00:37:18.215 --> 00:37:18.910 - your grant. 00:37:19.298 --> 00:37:25.368 - to be able to do that. Sorry, what's the logic behind not approving labor costs for for-profits? I mean, 00:37:25.368 --> 00:37:31.265 - we're just trying to do it. Oh, no, I'm saying no, that we wouldn't, that it would be for non-profits 00:37:31.265 --> 00:37:37.509 - if this were to come up again. The staff labor costs? Yes. So why wouldn't we, if it's an eligible expense, 00:37:37.509 --> 00:37:43.406 - in my opinion, it's an eligible expense regardless of the organization, because the BUEA's purpose is 00:37:43.406 --> 00:37:44.158 - to work for, 00:37:44.770 --> 00:37:54.498 - you know, economic revitalization of the enterprise zone. And it states that it's working for businesses 00:37:54.498 --> 00:38:04.226 - in its founding documents. So I think that it's an introduction from the board if they're hair splitting 00:38:04.226 --> 00:38:14.046 - between for nonprofits. And we all know that a lot of our zone small businesses are acting as nonprofits. 00:38:14.402 --> 00:38:20.546 - I was just stating limiters that could be put out there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe it's OK. Yeah, I 00:38:20.546 --> 00:38:26.752 - know I'm going to come with a pitch for it when he starts his day. We should not have it on one side 00:38:26.752 --> 00:38:33.019 - of my life. Yeah, I agree. I think it's across the board for the grant, if you get it applying and so 00:38:33.019 --> 00:38:34.494 - forth. That's the case. 00:38:35.426 --> 00:38:42.627 - I think it really is just making the case in the grant application as they did here. They cost it out 00:38:42.627 --> 00:38:50.110 - per hour, what it takes, the number of hours, how they're closed on Mondays. Thanks for that information. 00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:57.310 - They should have put that in there. Those types of things, I think then making the case for the labor 00:38:57.310 --> 00:39:04.158 - then comes to the board and we can determine that is applicable for the grant. And in this case, 00:39:04.258 --> 00:39:11.934 - I think they've made the case. But I mean, maybe some language more around, you know, that or if you 00:39:11.934 --> 00:39:17.406 - get a grant submission that does the asking for it and doesn't have it. 00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:22.714 - I think we need just clarity on it. Please provide some additional information. They also did note in 00:39:22.714 --> 00:39:27.807 - their long narrative when we were working it out that they are closed on Monday, and that's why they 00:39:27.807 --> 00:39:33.102 - were including staff time. Just to say that I didn't go searching for that information. They did provide 00:39:33.102 --> 00:39:38.246 - that. Otherwise, we wouldn't have included it. They went through that in their basic product details. 00:39:38.246 --> 00:39:41.726 - OK. So I would say. And I'm actually, oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. 00:39:42.562 --> 00:39:49.615 - I think it's a delay on this. I can't hear y'all until two seconds after. So I'm actually glad that 00:39:49.615 --> 00:39:56.668 - they broke it down in such a way, because it gave us a chance to have this conversation. Because we 00:39:56.668 --> 00:40:04.144 - will run into this again. And I think this is a good cause. I'm all for this. The Wonder Lab is president 00:40:04.144 --> 00:40:08.446 - in Bloomington. It's a really big deal. So I'm all for them. 00:40:09.186 --> 00:40:15.904 - the staff needs to be paid if they're going to be on site during this project. I would probably say 00:40:15.904 --> 00:40:22.690 - I'm going to be the devil's advocate in not adding language about staff time to the grant, because I 00:40:22.690 --> 00:40:29.542 - think we're going to get into a position then where that's going to be an easy ask, easier that could 00:40:29.542 --> 00:40:36.664 - exceed maybe. You know what I'm saying? So I would probably argue, especially since this is not something 00:40:36.664 --> 00:40:37.470 - we've seen, 00:40:37.794 --> 00:40:44.222 - or we don't see much, I don't know, that we don't add it, that we just allow to adjudicate each time, 00:40:44.222 --> 00:40:50.523 - because we may not see this again for another year or two years. So that's just my two cents that I 00:40:50.523 --> 00:40:57.203 - would probably not even say any language about if you need to include staff, if you need to, just because 00:40:57.203 --> 00:41:03.504 - if it's there, it's going to be used. I'm not going to say it's going to be exploited, but I'm just 00:41:03.504 --> 00:41:06.718 - going to say as a business owner myself, if we had 00:41:06.978 --> 00:41:13.089 - a whole overhaul, and Oprah came and wrote me a check for $100 million and said, do whatever you want 00:41:13.089 --> 00:41:19.200 - for popcorn, but you got to pay for your labor to be here for the guys to open up. Why wouldn't I pay 00:41:19.200 --> 00:41:25.370 - them for eight hours to be there to twiddle their thumbs and eat extra popcorn? I mean, I'm just being 00:41:25.370 --> 00:41:31.541 - transparent. So I would probably say, unless we feel that it is highly necessary, I probably would not 00:41:31.541 --> 00:41:36.094 - add that as a line. Because this is public information, I mean, to a point, 00:41:36.386 --> 00:41:42.472 - If it becomes a thing, then I think maybe re-review. But I mean, since I've been here, I've never seen 00:41:42.472 --> 00:41:48.558 - it or heard it, so I don't know. I appreciate that. I'm curious about Kate, too, and her thoughts. And 00:41:48.558 --> 00:41:54.526 - I just wanted to say, I benefited from Tagen's restatement of what the dynamic was. And so I want to 00:41:54.526 --> 00:42:00.731 - say, for this instance, I support it because they have incurred additional staff time. But going forward 00:42:00.731 --> 00:42:04.926 - in our guidelines, what I would recommend and what I think we can come 00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:11.888 - staff can come back with a recommendation for the board, but is allowing staff time as in kind match. 00:42:11.888 --> 00:42:18.852 - That's what would be standard for other grant making programs. So I'm walking back what I said previously. 00:42:18.852 --> 00:42:25.556 - I wouldn't typically reimburse for regular staff time, but I would allow the calculation of staff time 00:42:25.556 --> 00:42:28.094 - as part of their match. Where are you? 00:42:28.738 --> 00:42:35.226 - I just because I have the or the original application up I think and it did you know it did say it will 00:42:35.226 --> 00:42:41.465 - most likely be on a Monday when they are closed to not interfere with daily museum operations which 00:42:41.465 --> 00:42:47.828 - I really appreciate it since so many people do plan their wonder lab trips on the days that it's open 00:42:47.828 --> 00:42:53.630 - and that can be pretty bad for parents or teachers or anything so that's why I was saying it 00:42:53.730 --> 00:43:00.148 - they're really doing it when their staff wouldn't be working and potentially their staff are not available 00:43:00.148 --> 00:43:06.205 - that day because they're never working on Mondays so I think that is different. I'm sure Jamie asked 00:43:06.205 --> 00:43:12.803 - because I've talked about this before that I think when our guidelines aren't clear like I've read guidelines 00:43:12.803 --> 00:43:14.782 - and been like I don't think I've 00:43:14.914 --> 00:43:22.319 - qualify, so I'm not going to apply where other people are like, eh, I'll just do it. And then we give 00:43:22.319 --> 00:43:29.651 - it to the people who ask instead of the people who are following what the rules appear to be online. 00:43:29.651 --> 00:43:36.984 - So in that way, I kind of lean against not saying it's available to everyone. But I do think capping 00:43:36.984 --> 00:43:41.630 - it, I mean, this grant is $10,000 max. And then it can be more. 00:43:42.050 --> 00:43:49.464 - if we review it, right? But I think if it's included in that max, and it's like a pretty low amount, 00:43:49.464 --> 00:43:56.878 - like 250 or something, where we're not paying people $100 an hour to sit and watch someone replace a 00:43:56.878 --> 00:44:04.292 - window or replace a door when their store is open. That's very different, right? But I guess I think 00:44:04.292 --> 00:44:11.486 - parameters around it. I don't really understand the in-kind part, Jane. What do you mean by that? 00:44:11.586 --> 00:44:20.933 - Well, we asked them to make a match for the project, a 50% match. And so if they have staff time related 00:44:20.933 --> 00:44:30.191 - to the project, I'm suggesting that they could list that as part of their matching funds. So that could 00:44:30.191 --> 00:44:39.182 - be, well, taking this as an example, the time that the person's removing things from the window, but 00:44:39.182 --> 00:44:40.606 - not additional. 00:44:41.090 --> 00:44:48.518 - Yeah, that's not a good example. In this situation, the outcome would be the same. Yeah. It's the same 00:44:48.518 --> 00:44:55.945 - outcome, but you're clocking time to make sure you get more in money. And you're just using that money 00:44:55.945 --> 00:45:03.157 - you pay your staff to clock that down. OK. Yeah, and just valuing the time value. Yeah. Those is an 00:45:03.157 --> 00:45:08.926 - additional investment from the business. You're taking that into consideration. 00:45:10.178 --> 00:45:18.945 - I think they did a really great job. We know that the 7,904 staff time over 20 years of cleaning is 00:45:18.945 --> 00:45:27.800 - not eligible. So they were very clear about what they were putting that amount for. And then they're 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:36.743 - also very clear on what it actually takes to make the improvement project happen. And so you could do 00:45:36.743 --> 00:45:39.198 - an improvement project that 00:45:39.970 --> 00:45:47.857 - is not necessarily, they could be run by staff. I mean, the labor is sort of irrelevant to me, whether 00:45:47.857 --> 00:45:55.821 - it's the staff doing it or it's a contractor doing it. They're choosing their staff to be there in that 00:45:55.821 --> 00:46:03.554 - space to do it. So to me, it's kind of like, if the labor is required for the project, it is part of 00:46:03.554 --> 00:46:09.374 - the project budget. And that could be clearly stated if there's going to be 00:46:09.826 --> 00:46:18.758 - eligible or ineligible costs related in your policy. So. I'm going to have to step away to get ready 00:46:18.758 --> 00:46:27.602 - for my 1 o'clock meeting. So if you all are ready to vote, I can wait for you. Everybody ready? OK. 00:46:27.602 --> 00:46:36.447 - All right. So do we have a motion on the request from Wonder Lab for the replacement window? And as 00:46:36.447 --> 00:46:37.950 - we've discussed, 00:46:39.138 --> 00:46:48.416 - The labor. Sorry, I'm getting to the amount. $4,094.16. So moved. Do we have a second? Second. Second. 00:46:48.416 --> 00:46:58.055 - And then Jane, if you want to start for. Jane Cooper-Smith, aye. Virginia Gutierre, aye. Heather Robinson, 00:46:58.055 --> 00:47:05.982 - aye. Katerina Caw, aye. Kate Rosenberger, yes. Michael Hover, yes. Elisa Spinelli, yes. 00:47:07.458 --> 00:47:22.367 - It is approved. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Great. So what do we need to do? So for this, we have 00:47:22.367 --> 00:47:35.934 - to motion to amend the agenda for public comment. And then we can allow Eric to speak. OK. 00:47:36.130 --> 00:47:45.477 - We have a motion to amend today's agenda to allow, do we have to be specific about comment? Just motion 00:47:45.477 --> 00:47:54.555 - to amend the agenda to add public comment. Okay, motion to amend the agenda and add a public comment 00:47:54.555 --> 00:48:03.363 - section. Do we have a motion to? Michael Hover, yes. And a second? Okay, we'll second. All right, 00:48:03.363 --> 00:48:05.790 - then we'll, Kate, for you. 00:48:06.082 --> 00:48:16.713 - We'll start. Don't we have to do the. Yes. Yes. Yes. Virginia theory. Oh, that's okay. Heather Robinson. 00:48:16.713 --> 00:48:27.243 - I Virginia get there. Yes. And we okay. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. So thanks. Eric comments, 00:48:27.243 --> 00:48:30.078 - please. Yeah. Thank you. So 00:48:30.626 --> 00:48:41.535 - I may be confused, and if so, I apologize. But I noticed that in your February meeting minutes, you 00:48:41.535 --> 00:48:52.554 - have six members present. Mm-hmm. Yes. And your board has 12 members? Yes. So the quorum is based on 00:48:52.554 --> 00:49:00.190 - the amount of voting members. So two of those members are non-voting. 00:49:00.290 --> 00:49:11.542 - their gubernatorial appointments. So the quorum is based off of 10. So if we have six, that makes quorum. 00:49:11.542 --> 00:49:22.475 - OK, so that's one point. But I think actually one of those governor appointments is voting. Not in our 00:49:22.475 --> 00:49:27.358 - bylaws. No, but I mean by Indiana code, which 00:49:27.746 --> 00:49:34.094 - authorized this body to exist. I believe one is voting, the other one is not voting. But regardless, 00:49:34.094 --> 00:49:40.441 - and that might be something that onboard, please go ahead. Yeah, we're just getting some answers. We 00:49:40.441 --> 00:49:47.103 - just want to answer your first question before we move to another. Yeah, just getting some clarification. 00:49:47.103 --> 00:49:53.577 - Well, but I just looked at Indiana code and I believe that's what it says. But the onboard listing for 00:49:53.577 --> 00:49:55.902 - this body has all members as voting. 00:49:57.762 --> 00:50:07.279 - So that's one confusion. And that's on board, not on your webpage, because there's an on board page 00:50:07.279 --> 00:50:16.892 - that's separate the lists, like the individual seats, like seat four, et cetera. So that's one point 00:50:16.892 --> 00:50:27.646 - of order. The second one is the electronic meeting law. And for a member to participate electronically, you need 00:50:28.098 --> 00:50:37.583 - 50% of the members present. And I don't think that was satisfied. Because you had six total members 00:50:37.583 --> 00:50:47.259 - attending with one online. That meant five were present. And you needed six. We had four. We had four 00:50:47.259 --> 00:50:52.286 - in person. We had Jane. We had Michael. We had Brad. 00:50:54.594 --> 00:51:00.285 - So you needed six because, for instance, let's use the common council as an example. So if you have 00:51:00.285 --> 00:51:06.034 - your thing, you have that. So, Eric, one second. We do have a person on council here who can explain 00:51:06.034 --> 00:51:11.896 - that, because it's not the same as common council. Alex, you might be able to weigh in, I'm sure. BUEA 00:51:11.896 --> 00:51:17.701 - has different rules. We don't have the state adopted rules for BUEA that common council follows. BUEA 00:51:17.701 --> 00:51:18.782 - has its own rules. 00:51:19.234 --> 00:51:27.298 - No, no, sorry. I was just using the numeric equivalent. But I think that if you indeed only have 10 00:51:27.298 --> 00:51:35.443 - voting members, which I don't think is correct, but that was the claim, then I don't think either of 00:51:35.443 --> 00:51:43.669 - these point of orders pertain. If, however, one of those members appointed by the governor is voting, 00:51:43.669 --> 00:51:46.814 - that would give you 11 voting members. 00:51:47.842 --> 00:51:57.166 - means that you would need six members present. Right. So a person that participates electronically is 00:51:57.166 --> 00:52:06.582 - considered present for form. And we don't want you to move to a minor. No. Wait a minute. Did you read 00:52:06.582 --> 00:52:13.438 - safe out? Yes. One second. That is different. No, and in fact, while I was 00:52:14.722 --> 00:52:23.723 - waiting, you actually adopted in 2021 electronic meeting policy. This is your board did. Yes. Yes. Which 00:52:23.723 --> 00:52:33.066 - was the same as state code, which means that 50% of members need to be present for any member to participate 00:52:33.066 --> 00:52:42.238 - electronically. No, it's a little different. So if a board member that's voting is present electronically, 00:52:42.562 --> 00:52:52.414 - They're considered present for the purpose of a quorum. That's quorum, not electronic participation. 00:52:52.414 --> 00:53:02.267 - That's separate. Right, but the BEA has adopted a special rule where electronic participation counts 00:53:02.267 --> 00:53:10.558 - as being present. For quorum? Yes. But not to... So these are two separate statutes. 00:53:11.970 --> 00:53:20.170 - And maybe I don't know if it's really worthwhile if there's that point of confusion, but you could look 00:53:20.170 --> 00:53:28.448 - at Indiana code. I believe it's 5-14-3 something, which states, and I think you have adopted that, which 00:53:28.448 --> 00:53:36.569 - says that in order to have a member participate electronically, this is separate from quorum, you need 00:53:36.569 --> 00:53:39.486 - to have 50% of your members present. 00:53:41.026 --> 00:53:50.668 - That is not part of the policy that the BEA has adopted. I believe there was a meeting in 2021 where 00:53:50.668 --> 00:54:00.309 - you did. If you want to forward any information about that, I'll be happy to look at it. But that is 00:54:00.309 --> 00:54:10.142 - not our current policy. OK, I think it was July 2021. And I believe Larry Allen presented this to you. 00:54:13.154 --> 00:54:20.579 - Anyway, I also want to express appreciation. I know sometimes these things are difficult to keep track 00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:28.148 - of. And you are very attentive to your charge. You're working with non-trivial sums of money. And you're 00:54:28.148 --> 00:54:36.006 - helping a lot of people out. So I appreciate all of your time and effort on this. Yeah. Great. We appreciate 00:54:36.006 --> 00:54:42.782 - your comments. But I would like a follow-up on my points of order so I can contact you later. 00:54:44.354 --> 00:54:51.638 - Thank you, Eric. Appreciate it. All right, we're going on time 101. So unless there's anything else, 00:54:51.638 --> 00:54:56.542 - we'll call the meeting adjourned. Thank you all. Thanks. Thank you.