WEBVTT 00:00:00.706 --> 00:00:18.570 - the update recording in progress yeah I'm trying to help you all right Virginia can you turn your camera 00:00:18.570 --> 00:00:25.886 - on for roll call okay yeah I'm a stoplight 00:00:27.042 --> 00:00:37.561 - Yeah, we can see you. You're good. And we have Jane. Great. Is everything okay? No surgery. Okay, good. 00:00:37.561 --> 00:00:48.181 - We also do have a quorum without you here, so if you do need to go. Okay. All right. All right. Welcome, 00:00:48.181 --> 00:00:54.654 - everyone, on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon in Bloomington. 00:00:54.754 --> 00:01:04.321 - springtime, so we'll start with roll call. Do we want to start online, Virginia? Do you want to start 00:01:04.321 --> 00:01:13.701 - roll call for us? Sure. Virginia Gethneri, BUEA. Felisa Spinelli, BUEA. Michael Hilger, BUEA. BUEA. 00:01:13.701 --> 00:01:23.550 - Katerina Ka, BUEA. Heather Robinson, BUEA. Jane Cougarsmith, BUEA. Tegan Garner, staff. D'Dorosa, staff. 00:01:23.938 --> 00:01:31.027 - Hey Rosenberger, BBA. All right. Welcome, everyone. OK. The directors? No, minutes. We've got minutes. 00:01:31.027 --> 00:01:37.977 - Sorry. I'll just get them out of myself here. OK. Minutes from our last meeting, which was in March, 00:01:37.977 --> 00:01:44.860 - because we did not meet in April. Were there any comments, corrections, questions about the minutes 00:01:44.860 --> 00:01:51.810 - from that meeting? I've got no questions. It looks good to me. All right. Hearing none, do we have a 00:01:51.810 --> 00:01:53.118 - motion to approve? 00:01:53.410 --> 00:02:02.940 - Motion approved. Second. Second. And then we'll need to do a roll call for the approval. So we'll, Felisa, 00:02:02.940 --> 00:02:12.203 - you want to start the roll call for approval of minutes? Felisa Spinelli, yes. You're on mute. Virginia 00:02:12.203 --> 00:02:21.822 - Gutierrez, yes. Great. Michael Hover, yes. Kevin DeKalb, yes. Heather Robinson, yes. Jane Cougarsmith, yes. 00:02:23.522 --> 00:02:30.594 - OK, Rosenberger, yes. OK, minutes are approved. Thank you. OK, now directors report. OK, it's pretty 00:02:30.594 --> 00:02:37.665 - short and sweet. So I don't know if I mentioned it last meeting, but Dana Kerr will be covering Alex 00:02:37.665 --> 00:02:44.947 - Pratt as our legal counsel while Alex is on leave. So if we have any questions that need to be directed 00:02:44.947 --> 00:02:51.038 - towards legal, they'll be going to Dana. Just let me know, and I'll take care of that. 00:02:51.202 --> 00:03:00.002 - We have two new potential EZ participants. One is Tradewinds Contractor Accelerator. Tradewinds is pretty 00:03:00.002 --> 00:03:07.722 - cool. It's run, one of the partners is Jane Nelson who I've had the most contact with and it 00:03:07.722 --> 00:03:16.190 - is an accelerator for contractors to get into owning their own business and it's kind of like support 00:03:16.450 --> 00:03:23.805 - networking access to lawyers, accountants, things like that. Really amazing effort to undertake for 00:03:23.805 --> 00:03:31.308 - our tradespeople. And so that property, he gave me permission to say this. So the property is on West 00:03:31.308 --> 00:03:38.663 - Kirkwood behind Klendorfers. So yeah, so I think that property has been available for a really long 00:03:38.663 --> 00:03:42.782 - time, so it's really nice to see something go in there. 00:03:42.882 --> 00:03:51.595 - And then I'll have details on the second one. We're still kind of like trying to figure out some logistics 00:03:51.595 --> 00:04:00.063 - on it. It is eligible, but the company is kind of trying to figure out some old paperwork from an older 00:04:00.063 --> 00:04:08.369 - one from way before I think any of us were in this room. And then just this tiny little update on the 00:04:08.369 --> 00:04:11.870 - Business Economic Enhancement Scholarship. 00:04:11.970 --> 00:04:19.204 - This is the first time that I've had like three out in the first quarter, which is really exciting. 00:04:19.204 --> 00:04:26.655 - That one's picked up a lot of traction and I'm really happy that people are starting to know about it. 00:04:26.655 --> 00:04:34.322 - Yeah, so I think that we'll have all of that money expended pretty soon out of that grant line. So that's 00:04:34.322 --> 00:04:41.918 - really all that I have that's pressing or exciting or fun. Yeah. Great. You did want to talk about this. 00:04:42.146 --> 00:04:50.965 - grant, kind of where we are with the grant disbursements and what we've committed. Absolutely. 00:04:50.965 --> 00:05:00.712 - So let me see. I'm going to jump in again here. Let me see if I can share this. Where do I have it open? 00:05:00.712 --> 00:05:11.294 - I have it open here. Wonderful. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm having a hard time right now. So I appreciate your patience. 00:05:12.066 --> 00:05:27.038 - Um, I just feel like with every update, everything gets moved. Okay. So I'm going to put this up here. 00:05:27.038 --> 00:05:39.102 - Um, can everybody online see that? Are we good? Yes. Great. Um, so, uh, as of May, 00:05:39.746 --> 00:05:47.526 - We have distributed two of our grants in the education section. So MCCSC, hand delivery to check to 00:05:47.526 --> 00:05:55.462 - them, that was really fun. And Lemonade Day, I'm really excited to be able to participate in Lemonade 00:05:55.462 --> 00:06:03.397 - Day. If you are new to it or don't know about Lemonade Day, Boys and Girls Club, it has an initiative 00:06:03.397 --> 00:06:09.310 - to teach young people about entrepreneurship. And there are lemonade stands 00:06:09.474 --> 00:06:17.819 - All over the city, it's super fun. And the kids are adorable. And it's not just lemonade. Sometimes 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:26.247 - they sell cookies. Sometimes they make crafts. Sometimes they do things like that. And it's probably 00:06:26.247 --> 00:06:34.174 - my favorite thing that we do. So at this point, we've expended $77,500 out of that grant line. 00:06:35.202 --> 00:06:44.898 - with a remaining balance of $15,000 just to the resident economic independent scholarships. I do have 00:06:44.898 --> 00:06:54.403 - a couple of applications in that right now. I'm just trying to get some information for some people 00:06:54.403 --> 00:07:01.342 - before I approve them. Entrepreneurship for the Cook SBDC grant, we have 00:07:01.986 --> 00:07:09.699 - Oh, I think I made a mistake. That line should have been taken out. We actually have not expended anything 00:07:09.699 --> 00:07:17.052 - out of that yet. But it is $45,000 as per usual. No, I'm right. I'm right. OK, we're good. We haven't 00:07:17.052 --> 00:07:24.549 - spent anything out of that. I do have that contract, and I'm waiting to figure out some details on that 00:07:24.549 --> 00:07:31.902 - before I send it around. Business economic enhancement, I think at the bottom it shows we have three. 00:07:32.706 --> 00:07:43.119 - that have been approved for a total of $3,200, leaving you $68,000 for those scholarships. A lot of 00:07:43.119 --> 00:07:53.533 - conferences that people are interested in, and I'm super excited about that. No expense on the mill 00:07:53.533 --> 00:08:00.926 - zone day passes. I feel like I should probably update that to amplify. 00:08:01.026 --> 00:08:08.134 - Sorry, guys. However, since I've been doing one day at the resource desk, I'm trying to kind of push 00:08:08.134 --> 00:08:15.171 - that a little bit to people that come visit me there. So trying to get more people to utilize that. 00:08:15.171 --> 00:08:22.772 - And then we eliminated the uncategorized grants and unbudgeted grants in that section. We have not expended 00:08:22.772 --> 00:08:29.809 - at this juncture or when I was putting this together, I did not put any expenses in any of the arts 00:08:29.809 --> 00:08:30.654 - categories. 00:08:31.010 --> 00:08:38.641 - yet. I do know that there are some grants that are going out and some payments that have been submitted. 00:08:38.641 --> 00:08:46.126 - But I want to finalize that and get a decent number before I put that in there with the search for the 00:08:46.126 --> 00:08:53.756 - new AD and having a consultant. It's been a different system than we've usually used. And so I apologize 00:08:53.756 --> 00:08:59.134 - for not having that update. But I will have something for you next month. 00:08:59.874 --> 00:09:08.981 - And then for zone improvement, we have approved two minor repair grants, which is really great. I have, 00:09:08.981 --> 00:09:17.913 - I think, another one in the hopper that I just got, I think, yesterday. So we still have about $8,100 00:09:17.913 --> 00:09:26.669 - in that. Sean and I have talked, I'm sorry, the assistant director of sustainability, Sean Mia, and 00:09:26.669 --> 00:09:28.158 - I have discussed 00:09:28.898 --> 00:09:36.631 - expending the two potential seal grants. I think that they're still doing pretty well on that budget 00:09:36.631 --> 00:09:44.288 - line for the city budget. So I think that this is kind of the they will expend all of that money in 00:09:44.288 --> 00:09:52.174 - the city budget. They do every year. So hopefully this will be the two extra ones that can really help 00:09:52.174 --> 00:09:53.246 - out the zone. 00:09:53.730 --> 00:10:03.812 - The historic facade grant, we added an additional $40,000 to make it $90,000 this year to accommodate 00:10:03.812 --> 00:10:13.993 - for the first Christian church grant. That payment is actually in for payment. We have their receipts, 00:10:13.993 --> 00:10:18.046 - and that should be moving along shortly. 00:10:18.146 --> 00:10:24.996 - to get them paid out. I started it before this meeting. Oh, great. Yeah. So they're going to get paid 00:10:24.996 --> 00:10:31.780 - really soon. So very exciting. And it looks like all of that work is completed there. I was going to 00:10:31.780 --> 00:10:38.630 - have found then $130,000. That is mathematically on my part. You're adding instead of subtracting. It 00:10:38.630 --> 00:10:45.346 - added instead of subtracting. And I am so very sorry. OK. It carries down to the next. So the total 00:10:45.346 --> 00:10:47.294 - at the bottom is $227. Yeah. 00:10:47.522 --> 00:10:57.239 - No, actually your next line is you need 35, should be 25. Guys, I am so sorry. It picked up adding instead 00:10:57.239 --> 00:11:06.956 - of subtracting energy. I am so sorry. I see. Oh, okay. I will fix that. Small Business Safety and Security 00:11:06.956 --> 00:11:15.038 - Grant, there was $5,000 out for the Fox Capital improvements. That didn't make it out of 00:11:15.330 --> 00:11:22.638 - last year's budget. So it is coming out of this one, which is fine because I actually have not had a 00:11:22.638 --> 00:11:30.019 - small business safety and security grant asked this year at this juncture. So working on seeing if we 00:11:30.019 --> 00:11:37.472 - can assist any people with that. Business building improvement, that's the rub. And then we've got the 00:11:37.472 --> 00:11:45.214 - Wonder Lab. And I think that's just the two for those. So those are the two that we've done for this year. 00:11:45.314 --> 00:11:52.480 - Both were approved, or that's where it was approved in December. So that's why it's hitting our books 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:59.787 - now. And then the Wonder Lab was from last month. And no asks or requests on the business accessibility 00:11:59.787 --> 00:12:07.165 - modification grant. So I think we're actually doing pretty well as far as getting some grants out there. 00:12:07.165 --> 00:12:12.926 - First quarter is always pretty slow. I feel that in the next month or two is when 00:12:13.154 --> 00:12:21.731 - I'm really going to see more applications come in because it is the season to start doing improvements 00:12:21.731 --> 00:12:30.225 - and figuring out how to pay for that. But I'm feeling pretty good about where we are with the grants. 00:12:30.225 --> 00:12:38.302 - So as far as the full financial report, we did not receive statements from German American Bank. 00:12:38.850 --> 00:12:46.334 - to complete the quarterly report. So we will have that next month. And I did not receive the January 00:12:46.334 --> 00:12:54.188 - and February statements until right before the meeting. So I did not include them into the budget because 00:12:54.188 --> 00:13:01.671 - I didn't even get a chance to look at them really. So we'll have a full financial report next month, 00:13:01.671 --> 00:13:07.006 - which is June. So yes, we will. Well, I'm just curious and I understand 00:13:07.362 --> 00:13:14.086 - administrative in the office, but March statements from the bank should be easier to obtain. I mean, 00:13:14.086 --> 00:13:20.811 - you know, I'm just asking that question. Oh, like we legitimately have not received a statement from 00:13:20.811 --> 00:13:27.602 - German American Bank. That seems like there should be some corrective action. Yeah. Being able to get 00:13:27.602 --> 00:13:34.526 - that online or some kind of way for reconciliation. When that happened, when we got the ask about that, 00:13:34.754 --> 00:13:42.257 - It wasn't until yesterday, I think. So yeah, that is an administrative issue and I'm trying to rectify 00:13:42.257 --> 00:13:49.615 - it. I understand there's a lot going on in the controller's office, but I just think that, you know, 00:13:49.615 --> 00:13:57.118 - that seems like an excessively long time to be waiting for a statement. And I think that this could be 00:13:57.538 --> 00:14:04.249 - grabbed offline. There's online accounts so you can go grab your statements. So I'm wondering if there's 00:14:04.249 --> 00:14:10.704 - a way to maybe work with the controller's office to speed that up a bit, access to that if possible. 00:14:10.704 --> 00:14:17.159 - See what I can do? Yeah. Thanks, Dee. I understand you're working with others. And there's plenty of 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:24.062 - other things that they're doing in the controller's office outside of DUA. I get that. Hello. There she is. 00:14:24.194 --> 00:14:35.313 - Hey, Virginia. Welcome. Thank you so much. Virginia Dental Line, we didn't get Brad. We did not get 00:14:35.313 --> 00:14:46.766 - Brad. So welcome, Brad. Welcome, Brad. Thank you. I did this quick math, Dee, on your spreadsheet. And 00:14:46.766 --> 00:14:53.438 - it looks like then our total balance is 152,536. Thank you. 00:14:53.538 --> 00:15:02.207 - just as a note for the meeting, correcting those three mathematical calculation, Excel doing more than 00:15:02.207 --> 00:15:10.287 - you wanted it to do there. Yeah, that's what I get for trying to do the conditional formatting. 00:15:10.287 --> 00:15:19.462 - That's okay. All right, great. Well, thanks for that update. Yeah. Hopefully we'll have some more applicants 00:15:19.462 --> 00:15:21.566 - coming through the door. 00:15:22.498 --> 00:15:31.080 - So we can disperse some of the monies that we have budgeted. So hopefully, to your point, with the weather 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:39.261 - change in the summer, when things really kind of start to heat up for businesses that want to be able 00:15:39.261 --> 00:15:47.362 - to do things, hopefully we'll see an increase there. All right. Can I go back? I missed in the March 00:15:47.362 --> 00:15:52.254 - minutes. My name is spelled wrong in two places. Oh. Oh, no. 00:15:52.418 --> 00:16:01.181 - So your first name or your last name? It's my first name. It has an E instead of an A. It's K-A-T-A-R-A-N-A. 00:16:01.181 --> 00:16:08.898 - I am so sorry about that. It's not a problem. I missed it before, so I just wanted to show you. 00:16:08.898 --> 00:16:17.179 - All right. Thank you. For that, we will make sure that that is corrected and will not appear incorrect 00:16:17.179 --> 00:16:21.118 - again. All right. OK. Any other comments on the? 00:16:21.538 --> 00:16:29.711 - update from them. I was wondering about the Resident Economic Independent Scholarships. Are those, do 00:16:29.711 --> 00:16:38.205 - they have a certain amount that you give out to people or is it just kind of whatever they're requesting? 00:16:38.205 --> 00:16:46.298 - So the max on that is $1,250. Usually the way it was originally set up, it was like in, you could do 00:16:46.298 --> 00:16:48.702 - like two installments of like 00:16:49.186 --> 00:16:57.179 - $7.50 max, it's like a lifetime of $12.50, which is actually considerably low when you think about the 00:16:57.179 --> 00:17:04.939 - times that we live in. It goes towards books, courses, and it is almost always paid directly to the 00:17:04.939 --> 00:17:13.164 - institution in which someone is taking the course. But yeah, usually at this point people are just asking 00:17:13.164 --> 00:17:16.734 - for the max because that's how much it costs. 00:17:17.538 --> 00:17:25.692 - I want to familiarize myself with more of these so that I can advocate and let people know. Yeah, absolutely. 00:17:25.692 --> 00:17:33.254 - I don't know. I think I sent you the onboarding packet, but I don't know if I included the grants. So 00:17:33.254 --> 00:17:40.370 - I will send you the grant packet as well. I'm so sorry about that. That's all right. Thank you. 00:17:40.370 --> 00:17:46.078 - All right. Any other questions or comments about that? All right. Let's see. 00:17:48.578 --> 00:17:58.244 - New business. So we have an open position for officer on the board. Mary Morgan served as our secretary 00:17:58.244 --> 00:18:07.538 - and her term ended in January. And so she didn't continue on the committee. So we have an open spot 00:18:07.538 --> 00:18:15.902 - for secretary. And I would actually like to nominate Michael Hover to fill that position. 00:18:19.074 --> 00:18:28.245 - I'd love to second that. All right. I think it will be great, Michael. So thank you for taking on that 00:18:28.245 --> 00:18:37.149 - position. Of course. We do need to still vote. Yes. So we'll need to do a vote, including roll call 00:18:37.149 --> 00:18:46.053 - with Felisa online. Felisa, do you want to start? Oh, I'm so sorry. This will be to approve Michael 00:18:46.053 --> 00:18:48.190 - Hover as the secretary. 00:18:49.922 --> 00:19:02.425 - Yes. Felicia Spinelli, yes. Kate? Kate Rosenberger, yes. Can someone motion it and then second it? Yeah. 00:19:02.425 --> 00:19:04.926 - Oh, I did motion it. 00:19:05.058 --> 00:19:10.281 - Can I not motion it? As chair, I don't know that you can. So just in case so we don't have to redo it 00:19:10.281 --> 00:19:15.657 - next time. Oh, of course. Somebody motion and then we'll have to. I'll motion. Perfect. Thank you. Sorry 00:19:15.657 --> 00:19:20.931 - about that. I just wanted to make sure we didn't have to do it next time. Yeah, I don't usually motion 00:19:20.931 --> 00:19:26.154 - things, but inside moms, especially. That's interesting. I didn't realize I couldn't. Sometimes chair 00:19:26.154 --> 00:19:31.275 - can't. You might have been able to in this instance, but just in case. Totally agree. Just covering 00:19:31.275 --> 00:19:34.398 - bases. Covering bases is great. Yeah. OK. So now we're back. 00:19:34.498 --> 00:19:43.772 - Kate, you? Kate Rosenberger, yes. Virginia Gethheri, yes. Jane Coopersmith, yes. Heather Robinson, yes. 00:19:43.772 --> 00:19:52.779 - Katerina Ka, yes. Brad Whistler, yes. Michael Hover, yes. All right. Yay. All right. Thank you. Much 00:19:52.779 --> 00:20:00.894 - appreciated. All right. So some general discussion. Dee, it looks like you've put together 00:20:01.474 --> 00:20:10.183 - some potential grant changes for us here in a document? I would love to take credit for that, but it 00:20:10.183 --> 00:20:19.151 - was actually taken our wonderful administrative assistant who has been helping me out with some of this 00:20:19.151 --> 00:20:25.790 - stuff. And so since I'm very scattered right now, I'm going to take it away. 00:20:25.954 --> 00:20:31.025 - What I wrote up is based on what you discussed last time when we were discussing the WonderLab grant. 00:20:31.025 --> 00:20:36.046 - So there's a lot of conversation about what should be allowed as far as personnel costs versus labor 00:20:36.046 --> 00:20:41.166 - costs. And so looking at your current language that's available online to grant applicants, I went off 00:20:41.166 --> 00:20:46.187 - what's going on your website, what people see first. And it's kind of structured a little different. 00:20:46.187 --> 00:20:51.407 - So you have an eligibility criteria and then application requirements. And in that eligibility criteria, 00:20:51.407 --> 00:20:53.246 - you don't have anything about labor. 00:20:53.858 --> 00:20:59.567 - So I just put together a few recommendations that are all doable. One option, of course, is that you 00:20:59.567 --> 00:21:05.390 - can leave it the same and you can kind of consider it on the same basis as you did last time. However, 00:21:05.390 --> 00:21:11.156 - there is something in your minor improvement grant language that could kind of help you out there for 00:21:11.156 --> 00:21:13.982 - ineligible expenses. You put routine maintenance. 00:21:14.530 --> 00:21:20.876 - And that's kind of how you consider the Wonder Lab application. You took the labor that would be routine 00:21:20.876 --> 00:21:26.919 - maintenance, and you deemed it ineligible, which is perfectly valid. So you could add that language 00:21:26.919 --> 00:21:33.325 - to this grant. We also have that we could add additional language to say it either is explicitly eligible 00:21:33.325 --> 00:21:38.462 - or explicitly ineligible. And then I put a few things about how you could word that. 00:21:38.658 --> 00:21:43.620 - The most important thing in that it's not necessarily whether you put it as ineligible or eligible. 00:21:43.620 --> 00:21:48.582 - You can kind of get the same result either way. But you want to make sure that if we're going to do 00:21:48.582 --> 00:21:53.693 - it one way or another that they're laying out that expense. And I can also create examples on how they 00:21:53.693 --> 00:21:59.102 - can do that for budgeting because you know if they're contracting out a project they're going to have labor. 00:21:59.330 --> 00:22:05.159 - It might not be broken down that way. And we're not going to exclude that. But if then it's like, hey, 00:22:05.159 --> 00:22:10.817 - we're doing the project ourselves. We're paying people extra to do this, kind of in the Wonder Love 00:22:10.817 --> 00:22:16.533 - situation. They were opening in hours that they wouldn't typically be open. And we deemed that would 00:22:16.533 --> 00:22:22.474 - be a project expense. So you could clarify that. And then I also did add the in kind option. And I don't 00:22:22.474 --> 00:22:27.454 - dislike the in kind option. I just think it's a little jargony for this level of grant. 00:22:27.874 --> 00:22:34.556 - I think that it's one of those things that's not a terrible option, but it is one of those things that 00:22:34.556 --> 00:22:41.043 - people don't think of in kind. So that makes for more calculation. And for lots of grants, it's the 00:22:41.043 --> 00:22:47.790 - same result. But for larger grants, so if you're having people who are asking for the max request, they 00:22:47.790 --> 00:22:54.406 - can really take bigger benefit from that than somebody who's only requesting $2,000. So there's that. 00:22:54.406 --> 00:22:56.158 - Do you have any questions? 00:22:57.666 --> 00:23:06.625 - It looks really great, and thanks for breaking that up like that. It makes it very digestible. I agree. 00:23:06.625 --> 00:23:15.497 - I think option three is a little bit of muddy waters, and it's going to further the discussion of what 00:23:15.497 --> 00:23:24.456 - is applicable. In-kind matching, that's a nonprofit world so much. Businesses may not really understand 00:23:24.456 --> 00:23:25.662 - that as well. 00:23:26.818 --> 00:23:36.094 - you deal with it all the time, you get in kind from businesses, but they're usually on the giving side 00:23:36.094 --> 00:23:44.830 - of it, not necessarily receiving the side in that regard. So I would agree with that, maybe not. 00:23:44.830 --> 00:23:54.197 - Option three, my one comment would be consistency across the grants where anything, any of these could, 00:23:54.197 --> 00:23:55.998 - there could be cost 00:23:56.994 --> 00:24:04.498 - related to labor from the business itself, that that be consistent, so whatever maybe we talk about 00:24:04.498 --> 00:24:12.228 - or we make a decision today that that is consistent across the grants, so it's not, you know, also for 00:24:12.228 --> 00:24:19.807 - the board having to remember, oh, on this one is that okay or is this, you know, I think just trying 00:24:19.807 --> 00:24:25.886 - to make that a consistent language. Can I just throw a question out there? Yeah. 00:24:26.978 --> 00:24:35.508 - I think it's really great to be able to add in kind and for match and eligible for reimbursement. And 00:24:35.508 --> 00:24:43.955 - then we'll let the applicant determine how they want to categorize their labor costs if they want to 00:24:43.955 --> 00:24:52.736 - do it. Is there a reason why we wouldn't be able to accommodate that flexibility? From an administrative 00:24:52.736 --> 00:24:55.998 - perspective, so this was what my other 00:24:56.418 --> 00:25:02.076 - When I was looking at your administrative process, so what people have to submit, there's no way for 00:25:02.076 --> 00:25:07.847 - us to really police if they're doing the in-kind correctly. So my answer is no, but there also is that 00:25:07.847 --> 00:25:13.730 - administrative side of in-kind, where typically you'd have them report hours and pay stubs, and we don't 00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:19.500 - really have that follow-up. Now, if you're not as concerned about the follow-up, then that's fine, but 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:23.870 - that was kind of... So then do you not really view option three as an option? 00:25:24.034 --> 00:25:29.398 - for option, so I put it on there because it was discussed. I think it is an option if it was really 00:25:29.398 --> 00:25:34.763 - what you decided that you wanted. They just have to be more taken into consideration. And I kind of 00:25:34.763 --> 00:25:40.127 - left this as very preliminary for options. If you wanted me to break it down further as a, we would 00:25:40.127 --> 00:25:45.545 - like to explore this further, I can definitely do that. Because like I said, I just brought these up 00:25:45.545 --> 00:25:51.070 - based on the options that were discussed at the previous meeting. Yeah, I guess the reason why I would 00:25:51.458 --> 00:25:58.604 - I think, again, the amounts, the dollar amounts, are typically not that huge. So for the $5,000 grant, 00:25:58.604 --> 00:26:04.918 - it's not going to really matter. But you just paid a $40,000 grant. And for that, it might 00:26:04.918 --> 00:26:12.411 - be more significant. And so we use the one or less example. But First Christian Church could be an example, 00:26:12.411 --> 00:26:16.990 - too, where they have in-kind labor, but they have less cash flow. 00:26:17.282 --> 00:26:24.216 - So I think it could be really beneficial. And then on federal grants, I think typically there's just 00:26:24.216 --> 00:26:31.150 - a not to exceed amount. And so you're not providing actual receipts and you're not, you know, you're 00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:38.152 - quoting your hours. Yeah. Do you ask for a statement of activity, like an actual, like their actuals? 00:26:38.152 --> 00:26:41.310 - So you can see if they're paying their staff. 00:26:42.210 --> 00:26:48.274 - So like in grants I've worked with in the past that do in-kind, typically you're filling out an in-kind 00:26:48.274 --> 00:26:54.281 - timesheet and you're clocking people's hours separately from their work hours and it's saying I worked 00:26:54.281 --> 00:27:00.578 - this much on this project and then you're doing that to calculate the rate and that's kind of the reporting 00:27:00.578 --> 00:27:06.759 - mechanism. So there's options for that. Just currently with our administrative follow-up it just doesn't, 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:11.774 - that doesn't currently exist. It's something that could be created but right now it's 00:27:13.058 --> 00:27:19.550 - So you're suggesting that if the follow-up is not important, then this could be viable auction. Well, 00:27:19.550 --> 00:27:26.043 - as a former grant administrator, no. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it would probably be. So my 00:27:26.043 --> 00:27:32.535 - problem with InKind is just from the reporting standpoint. It's great. And I'm all for people getting 00:27:32.535 --> 00:27:39.091 - their match out, especially with larger projects that can be very helpful with Clash Low. I agree with 00:27:39.091 --> 00:27:42.974 - all those benefits. But when you're not following it up, now 00:27:43.330 --> 00:27:49.118 - They can request whatever they want. We don't know what's happening. And so it's not that I'm super 00:27:49.118 --> 00:27:54.905 - concerned, but there should be some administrative follow-up to follow up that in-kind requirement, 00:27:54.905 --> 00:28:00.809 - because otherwise, what's to say the labor's not taking up? Even if you're saying, oh, it can only be 00:28:00.809 --> 00:28:06.828 - 50% of your match cap, well, is then everybody going to start applying for 50% of their match? And part 00:28:06.828 --> 00:28:10.590 - of the thing is I think part of your goal is to spur investment. 00:28:11.266 --> 00:28:17.775 - You want businesses to receive money, but you also want them to spend money and invest in themselves 00:28:17.775 --> 00:28:24.607 - as well. So then that's kind of like, you get into what's the goal of the thing. And as an administrator, 00:28:24.607 --> 00:28:31.181 - that makes me nervous, just not having the administrator follow. How is it different, though, between 00:28:31.181 --> 00:28:38.206 - option two? I mean, what follow-up are we doing to verify the labor costs that they're reporting? We're not. 00:28:38.370 --> 00:28:42.975 - And so, like, there's not a whole lot of difference. The one thing there is, though, that they are signing 00:28:42.975 --> 00:28:47.409 - on to their, you know, providing a budget. They're saying, this is what our labor is going to cost us, 00:28:47.409 --> 00:28:51.971 - and they're signing off on that budget. And, you know, they're approved for that capped amount. Sometimes 00:28:51.971 --> 00:28:56.318 - in-kind, too, is a little more flexible. So, like, in-kind, a lot of times, if you're doing, like, a 00:28:56.318 --> 00:29:00.923 - state or federal grant, which I realize that's not our scope, you're going to have to report your in-kind, 00:29:00.923 --> 00:29:03.678 - and then you only receive in in-kind what you actually put out. 00:29:04.418 --> 00:29:09.386 - So that's typically the difference. But either way, it's on the honor system. We're taking their word 00:29:09.386 --> 00:29:14.403 - for it. Whether it's we had this many volunteer hours or we paid this much in wages, we just take that 00:29:14.403 --> 00:29:19.469 - at face value. And that's something else you'd have to break down as if you're counting volunteer hours 00:29:19.469 --> 00:29:24.486 - as in kind. So they're not paying for those hours. So are you considering those hours at whatever they 00:29:24.486 --> 00:29:29.406 - would typically pay? So there's just things to think about. We'd have to provide some guidance. Yes. 00:29:29.762 --> 00:29:36.807 - And like I said, if in kind is an option you really want to explore, I'm happy to break that down a 00:29:36.807 --> 00:29:44.275 - lot further. I think that we can strike a balance. I think that we can really provide more accountability 00:29:44.275 --> 00:29:51.743 - and compliance work on the staff side. I don't know that we need to break it down into a ton more detail. 00:29:51.743 --> 00:29:59.422 - I think this is already pretty detailed. So I would like to propose that we see another 2.0 version of this. 00:29:59.746 --> 00:30:07.630 - that allows in-kind matching and eligible labor costs, and that we use the same mechanism to verify 00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:15.594 - either or. And that would just be where I would come from. And I would think the board would want to 00:30:15.594 --> 00:30:23.714 - provide maximum flexibility for its partners. And there's value. There's labor value. There's economic 00:30:23.714 --> 00:30:29.470 - value in volunteers, just like there's economic value in paid employees. 00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:37.338 - That's kind of where, and I just want to say thank you for putting this together. It really helps structure 00:30:37.338 --> 00:30:44.579 - the discussion. But that's just where I would be. So we're talking about volunteer time as well. I mean, 00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:51.544 - it's a viable option as far as in-time costs because, yeah, I mean, say, I mean, this isn't probably 00:30:51.544 --> 00:30:58.302 - the best example, but say like Habitat for Humanity, everybody that does the labor there, they're 00:30:58.498 --> 00:31:05.297 - Pretty much all volunteers. So if we were to do that, I mean, that would be an expense. That 00:31:05.297 --> 00:31:12.681 - would technically be an expense that we would be wanting to cover or match or whatnot. So. Right. So 00:31:12.681 --> 00:31:19.991 - how does the nonprofit, I mean, they're recording the in-kind from the volunteer time. Then they're 00:31:19.991 --> 00:31:25.182 - getting grant revenue that really isn't paying for. They wouldn't get. 00:31:25.346 --> 00:31:32.932 - cash for it. They would get credit, credit, credit towards the match. Yeah. Okay. All right. Like leverage. 00:31:32.932 --> 00:31:40.026 - So is that double dipping is the big question. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm wondering is that like, 00:31:40.026 --> 00:31:47.050 - is that a double because they're already getting the in kind from the volunteer time. And if we're, 00:31:47.050 --> 00:31:54.073 - yeah, maybe I'm making it too complicated in my head, but it feels like it almost feels like double 00:31:54.073 --> 00:31:54.846 - dipping on 00:31:55.138 --> 00:32:01.960 - something like that. And again, these aren't, you know, multi-thousand dollar grants here we're talking 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:08.585 - about, or communities. You're saying, though, that the volunteers, like, okay, Habitat for Humanity, 00:32:08.585 --> 00:32:15.472 - for example, those volunteers are working on a house, not necessarily working on a project that improves 00:32:15.472 --> 00:32:22.097 - the building of the Habitat for Humanity's building. Right. Right. So, I mean, if there's volunteers 00:32:22.097 --> 00:32:23.934 - that are doing the labor of 00:32:24.610 --> 00:32:32.187 - this specific building improvement group, then that might make sense. But you can't match all the volunteers 00:32:32.187 --> 00:32:39.139 - who are coming to do Habitat projects that are not necessarily related to this project. So it would 00:32:39.139 --> 00:32:46.161 - just be volunteer time related to the project, which they would already, the nonprofit would already 00:32:46.161 --> 00:32:51.166 - be recording that time as in time. So I guess we just would be allowing 00:32:51.266 --> 00:32:58.606 - or business or organization to offset that for additional revenue for the grant, right? Is that what 00:32:58.606 --> 00:33:06.019 - I'm asking? I would think we could come up with some kind of a form that's very simple. They're where 00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:13.504 - you just report the labor costs on the project. Who was the person? How many hours did they work? Were 00:33:13.504 --> 00:33:20.190 - they paid? If they weren't paid, what's the equivalent wage that they would have been paid? 00:33:20.514 --> 00:33:29.958 - We can just gut check that they're not using outrageous numbers. I would just tie it to that max federal. 00:33:29.958 --> 00:33:38.867 - It's reasonable. But, Felisa, are you going to have something to say? Well, can you expand on that? 00:33:38.867 --> 00:33:48.221 - I don't know what max federal is. I can't. Oh. Oh, sorry. Did you have a comment? Did you have something 00:33:48.221 --> 00:33:50.270 - to say? Yes. What the? 00:33:51.138 --> 00:34:09.506 - We are not giving out multi-million dollar grants. Why are we making this so complicated to grant business 00:34:09.506 --> 00:34:17.918 - money to improve our community? Why? This is not 00:34:20.738 --> 00:34:31.008 - Well, if you add in in kind to the process, it will make it easier for businesses to be able to receive 00:34:31.008 --> 00:34:41.081 - grant funding because they are not having to have cash on hand as the match. So it's not currently in 00:34:41.081 --> 00:34:50.462 - the grant. Yeah. So with the current grant guidelines that we have and eligibility guidelines, 00:34:50.690 --> 00:34:59.016 - there is nothing that explicitly puts in that factor, which I think would probably make the grant more 00:34:59.016 --> 00:35:07.180 - attractive to organizations if they know that that is a way to leverage against, because a 50% match 00:35:07.180 --> 00:35:15.425 - to some businesses is a lot of money if you're asking for 10 grand. So if you can put in some type of 00:35:15.425 --> 00:35:16.638 - either in-kind 00:35:16.866 --> 00:35:24.622 - or put in eligible labor costs and things that are accessible and attainable, then that makes the whole 00:35:24.622 --> 00:35:32.154 - grant open to so many more people. And so the purpose of this discussion is to decide, A, do we want 00:35:32.154 --> 00:35:39.612 - to explicitly say that? B, if we are explicitly saying that, how are we saying it? And C, how do we 00:35:39.612 --> 00:35:46.846 - ensure that if someone is saying that they're going to do that, that they've actually done that? 00:35:46.978 --> 00:35:53.317 - Yeah. And I will piggyback on that. So most of the time with most grants, these two things will accomplish 00:35:53.317 --> 00:35:59.657 - the exact same goal. Like the money spent by the business will be the same. My thing on the administrative 00:35:59.657 --> 00:36:05.996 - standpoint is when you're asking for a budget up front and you're signing off on it, that is a application 00:36:05.996 --> 00:36:12.395 - commitment. In kind is more an administration commitment. And that's why I'm saying it's a little different 00:36:12.395 --> 00:36:16.542 - on how we administer that when it's in a budget versus in like during 00:36:16.866 --> 00:36:24.270 - Does that make a little more sense? Not that it's a huge concern. That was just kind of where I was 00:36:24.270 --> 00:36:31.823 - coming at from that administrative standpoint, which, yeah. Katie, how about that? I don't know where 00:36:31.823 --> 00:36:39.301 - I am on volunteer hours, so I think that I totally understand the in-kind and I think that does seem 00:36:39.301 --> 00:36:40.190 - okay to me. 00:36:40.898 --> 00:36:47.810 - volunteer hours I feel maybe differently about, but I don't know why, and maybe it's fine. So I don't 00:36:47.810 --> 00:36:54.586 - think I feel strongly right now about how we do it. I see the point on the, to Heather's point, the 00:36:54.586 --> 00:37:01.837 - feeling that it's double-dipping because you're getting labor for free already, and then you're leveraging 00:37:01.837 --> 00:37:08.952 - that free labor against a match. Janie, the option you were proposing, it was that they'd have to choose 00:37:08.952 --> 00:37:10.782 - one or the other, correct? 00:37:11.362 --> 00:37:16.537 - Well, just like they have to make all choices when they're submitting their budget. They're going to 00:37:16.537 --> 00:37:21.814 - reflect, do I have, am I paying salaried people, or is it easier for me to contribute in kind? For me, 00:37:21.814 --> 00:37:27.092 - sure. I think they're always going to be. But meaning they couldn't do any kind and request the labor. 00:37:27.092 --> 00:37:32.318 - No. But I'm saying that they're going to make their own decisions and do whatever's easiest for their 00:37:32.318 --> 00:37:37.596 - bookkeeping. One of the burdens, probably Felisa would back this, but for small businesses especially, 00:37:37.596 --> 00:37:40.926 - is doing that administrative work and calculating all the stuff. 00:37:41.090 --> 00:37:47.549 - So yeah, whatever, give them the option of whatever's easy for them. We need to absorb that complexity 00:37:47.549 --> 00:37:53.819 - on the staff side. I think we can do that. I like Brad's idea of a Google form. And I don't want to 00:37:53.819 --> 00:38:00.090 - dominate because I'm curious about the resistance to counting volunteer match hours. I don't really 00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:06.360 - have a dog in the fight other than just keep it simple for the applicants. I think where my primary 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.182 - concern would be is not so much that I think 00:38:09.794 --> 00:38:17.007 - We need to make it easy to go get volunteers to do these projects if we're talking about business grants. 00:38:17.007 --> 00:38:23.880 - But if I'm a business owner and I don't pay myself a salary, then I don't have a hard labor cost for 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:30.820 - the time that I'm putting in. So I think we need to have some mechanism where we can say, this wasn't 00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:37.693 - a hard cost because I didn't take a paycheck last week. But I still contributed in kind the value of 00:38:37.693 --> 00:38:39.326 - my time to the project. 00:38:41.538 --> 00:38:49.088 - I just feel like if we have a max limit, we're going to assume that if it's available, the businesses 00:38:49.088 --> 00:38:56.490 - are going to take the max. I don't think that's a huge issue if we've got, because again, policing, 00:38:56.490 --> 00:39:03.966 - the bean counting, who has time for that, right? And there can be mistakes. There can be things that 00:39:03.966 --> 00:39:10.110 - you forget. There can be things that you slip. And I feel like we just don't have, 00:39:10.338 --> 00:39:15.941 - Now, if we were talking millions and billions of dollars, absolutely. But even to me, up to $40,000 00:39:15.941 --> 00:39:21.545 - or $50,000, if the max is maybe, let's say a percentage, I would be more comfortable saying the max 00:39:21.545 --> 00:39:27.484 - would be a percentage, but I'm not sure what the federal guidance would be, the percentage on each grant. 00:39:27.484 --> 00:39:29.950 - So let's say if we could just, max would be 00:39:30.402 --> 00:39:36.283 - 12% of the grant that you could do whatever this in-kind thing is, then we assume that the businesses 00:39:36.283 --> 00:39:42.222 - and the organizations are going to probably take the max because they would like the cash or whatever. 00:39:42.222 --> 00:39:48.045 - And we can't worry about that. I mean, if there's a situation where there needs to be some auditing, 00:39:48.045 --> 00:39:53.869 - hopefully we won't have to be reactive and do some things. But I think if we can set a percentage of 00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:58.078 - the grant for the in-kind amount, we have to trust that maybe in a year, 00:39:58.242 --> 00:40:02.905 - we do some internal auditing and see how it worked out, and then we can scrap it if it doesn't work. 00:40:02.905 --> 00:40:07.613 - But I just think there's so many things that a business can forget. And like to Brad's point, I mean, 00:40:07.613 --> 00:40:12.230 - you don't always, as an owner, you don't always pay yourself for consistent. There can be all sorts 00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:16.939 - of things, but it doesn't mean you didn't do the work, or it doesn't mean your spouse or your partner 00:40:16.939 --> 00:40:21.693 - or your whoever, you know? So I don't know, I think we just need to set a percentage in. Keep in mind, 00:40:21.693 --> 00:40:26.910 - we're talking about credit towards the match, right? Right. Not paying people real dollars. Right, right, right. 00:40:27.010 --> 00:40:33.583 - we could decide we don't require a match at all, right? So that's completely within our purview to decide 00:40:33.583 --> 00:40:40.033 - how we give credit for the match. I can definitely write up a few options for you guys and kind of talk 00:40:40.033 --> 00:40:46.420 - about percentages, things like that. Is there a percentage that you have in mind? Anywhere grants I've 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:52.932 - worked with, they move anywhere from 15% to 50% of the grand match, typically. And that's just depending 00:40:52.932 --> 00:40:55.102 - on the agency and for total match. 00:40:55.714 --> 00:41:01.139 - For the total match, you can use up to like 50% of your match could be in kind. That's not uncommon. 00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:06.510 - But then I've also seen as low as 15. So you're asking for a percentage. I'm asking for the board's 00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:12.043 - opinion on a percentage. Just rough estimates and not asking you to vote on anything. I'm just meaning 00:41:12.043 --> 00:41:17.629 - for this proposal, I'm going to put together for you. What would you like to see? I think it would have 00:41:17.629 --> 00:41:22.302 - to be based on what's the max grant we give typically. 10,000 on this one. 10,000? OK. 00:41:22.562 --> 00:41:29.819 - The max, if we did what? 20% would be $2,000. So I think we need to think about it that way. That's, 00:41:29.819 --> 00:41:37.291 - I don't know, this makes it easier for me and my brain, but I don't know. Yeah, suggestion. So say it's 00:41:37.291 --> 00:41:44.477 - an $8,000 ask with a $2,000. Well, I'm saying percentage, so it's going to be variable based on the 00:41:44.477 --> 00:41:51.518 - grant, right? So if it's $8,000, then it would be $1,600. $8,000 is the work and $2,000 is the... 00:41:53.570 --> 00:42:03.092 - What are we calling this? Additional expenses? It matches 50%, right? Right. So that would be a $20,000 00:42:03.092 --> 00:42:12.431 - project. Yeah. We would be matched. OK. So that would be providing $4,000 worth of labor. We'll match 00:42:12.431 --> 00:42:21.953 - it. OK. Is there any other considerations you'd like me to include in this next round of things? I have 00:42:21.953 --> 00:42:23.326 - one unrelated. 00:42:23.714 --> 00:42:31.701 - And it's just the very first sentence of the language here. I think we talked a few times at previous 00:42:31.701 --> 00:42:39.610 - meetings and maybe I missed where we changed our mind on this, but I thought we decided we wanted to 00:42:39.610 --> 00:42:47.753 - make it clear in that first line that it's not only businesses and nonprofit organizations in the zone, 00:42:47.753 --> 00:42:50.494 - but also those who primarily serve 00:42:51.170 --> 00:43:13.175 - You are correct. That language does need to be updated. I'm so sorry about that. Yes, that is correct. 00:43:13.175 --> 00:43:17.662 - Any other questions? 00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:25.566 - comments on this, so it sounds like you'll do a 2.0 version for us and come back and then we'll have 00:43:25.566 --> 00:43:33.008 - something maybe at that point where we can vote on and then implement into the application process. 00:43:33.008 --> 00:43:40.747 - Nobody mentioned option one. We did kind of skip over option one. Option one and option two effectively 00:43:40.747 --> 00:43:44.542 - do the same thing. They're just, it's just kind of 00:43:45.282 --> 00:43:51.436 - using it as ineligible or listing it as eligible. It just kind of depends on the verb. If you wanted, 00:43:51.436 --> 00:43:57.469 - I just wanted to include both options because I didn't want someone to be like, whoa, can it not be 00:43:57.469 --> 00:44:03.804 - ineligible or vice versa. It's effectively the same thing. Yeah. I always think defining what's eligible 00:44:03.804 --> 00:44:08.510 - seems to be a little bit better because then it's really clear as to what you 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:16.371 - Because there's always some gray area in what you can't. But if you can't, this is the. So if there's, 00:44:16.371 --> 00:44:23.722 - since we're clearly saying there are going to be eligible labor costs, I think that that is, as a board 00:44:23.722 --> 00:44:31.215 - we're saying. And based on the approval for Wonder Lab, we've agreed there are times when that definitely 00:44:31.215 --> 00:44:38.142 - makes sense. So to me, that is then stated. So maybe language around the eligible along with the, 00:44:38.370 --> 00:44:46.262 - clarification on them in kind and match would be would be good for a second version if everyone is good 00:44:46.262 --> 00:44:53.850 - with that. Thank you for putting this together. This is this is really helpful. This is kind of you 00:44:53.850 --> 00:45:01.514 - know helps us move the discussion along and make a decision on this. Yeah I mean and in the end this 00:45:01.514 --> 00:45:04.094 - makes this easier for when we are 00:45:04.450 --> 00:45:11.286 - Presenting grants to all of you, we can very clearly say, this is what's going on. And that's not to 00:45:11.286 --> 00:45:18.122 - say that we shouldn't have discussion about the applications, but then it keeps us from getting kind 00:45:18.122 --> 00:45:25.026 - of like pigeonholed into just like one area of cost or whatnot. And I'm hoping that this kind of like 00:45:25.026 --> 00:45:31.997 - expedites some of the things that we do within the board meetings when we're reviewing grants. So. The 00:45:31.997 --> 00:45:34.366 - only thing I would add is I wonder 00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:43.759 - later we need to be any more specific on primarily serving zoned residents because we did have that 00:45:43.759 --> 00:45:52.596 - insurance company out by Culver's that we were like that nexus did not feel close enough. So I don't 00:45:52.596 --> 00:46:01.608 - know. So we did. So and Brad just brought this up as far as like the verbiage as far as like who we're 00:46:01.608 --> 00:46:03.358 - serving and that is 00:46:04.098 --> 00:46:13.046 - So for some organizations, when we're talking about nonprofits for the most part, it's actually easier 00:46:13.046 --> 00:46:21.907 - for them to be able to say, oh, well, this is the activity that we do because they're keeping numbers 00:46:21.907 --> 00:46:28.510 - for reporting reasons and all of that. We do have the scoring rubric, which 00:46:28.674 --> 00:46:34.535 - I think that I hope that everybody's taking a look at it. It's not required that everybody has to fill 00:46:34.535 --> 00:46:40.396 - it out, but it is a good guideline to get you through when you're looking at the grants before we come 00:46:40.396 --> 00:46:46.201 - to a meeting. I think that, for instance, First Christian Church, they do a lot of work for the zone, 00:46:46.201 --> 00:46:52.005 - and they're not technically in it. Right. I think the witness needs to say something like, located in 00:46:52.005 --> 00:46:53.086 - the zone, or who's 00:46:53.218 --> 00:47:00.386 - Primary service is provided in the zone. We have the three criteria that were out. That's where we landed. 00:47:00.386 --> 00:47:07.487 - So we need to include those three specific criteria. I'm trying to look through my files. I'm not finding 00:47:07.487 --> 00:47:11.774 - it right away. I think that comes right out of the bylaws. Yes. 00:47:11.842 --> 00:47:18.322 - kind of lays that out. And so that's part of like our decision making and the rubric too. So I think 00:47:18.322 --> 00:47:24.738 - those three, those three things will be updated need to be. So there is proximity, but it has these 00:47:24.738 --> 00:47:31.154 - three other factors that go into it. And it is about serving residents of the zone. And it has like 00:47:31.154 --> 00:47:36.094 - an economic and there's like two, there's three different, and I'm sorry, my 00:47:36.226 --> 00:47:42.839 - brain is not remembering but I think if you can pull that language D and that's definitely back in our 00:47:42.839 --> 00:47:49.452 - minutes when we were discussing that and how we approved it that then allows us to consider grants for 00:47:49.452 --> 00:47:55.937 - businesses and nonprofits out of the zone if they're meeting that other criteria that is our part of 00:47:55.937 --> 00:48:02.486 - our bylaw language. Yes and I also think you know with with the times that we live in and the we have 00:48:02.486 --> 00:48:05.118 - a lot of organizations that are you know 00:48:05.890 --> 00:48:13.302 - not necessarily struggling, but they're definitely in survival mode. Everybody is in a bit of a survival 00:48:13.302 --> 00:48:20.361 - mindset. And I think the greater our reach can be, the better off we all are as an organization and 00:48:20.361 --> 00:48:28.126 - what we can do and the people we can service. So I am really grateful that the thought process is thinking of 00:48:28.898 --> 00:48:35.688 - thinking of organizations that are just outside that do have such an impact that are so very important. 00:48:35.688 --> 00:48:42.283 - Because if we were to go by this invisible line consistently, I think that there are a lot of people 00:48:42.283 --> 00:48:49.073 - that need help that we wouldn't be helping. So I appreciate that decision by the board. And I will make 00:48:49.073 --> 00:48:56.190 - sure that all that language is updated. I think I may have updated half the grants and maybe got distracted. 00:48:58.978 --> 00:49:08.738 - Very good. Thank you, Dee. Thank you both for the work on this and we'll have a 2.0 version next time 00:49:08.738 --> 00:49:18.690 - to discuss. All right. I didn't see anything. Did we get everything on our... That is everything. Yeah, 00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:19.934 - I pulled the 00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:27.947 - grant application that was originally in there because we're still waiting on estimates for that historic 00:49:27.947 --> 00:49:35.285 - facade grant. So hopefully we will, this is the second meeting I've tried to put it in. I've been missing 00:49:35.285 --> 00:49:42.483 - that piece. So hopefully next meeting we can look at a historic facade grant. And yeah, hopefully we'll 00:49:42.483 --> 00:49:48.990 - just have a ton more grants next meeting. All right, very well. In that case, if there's any, 00:49:50.082 --> 00:49:58.543 - for the go to the cause. I just have a quick question about the arts and culture grants. Does this group 00:49:58.543 --> 00:50:06.600 - approve those grants or does that go to the BAC? That goes to the BAC. So yeah, all of those grants 00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:15.061 - go through their committees and their approval process. They have specific reverse to complete all that. 00:50:15.061 --> 00:50:16.350 - We do the final 00:50:16.482 --> 00:50:24.335 - approval though we do get an overview yeah it's like an omnibus at the end yeah of each cycle yeah so 00:50:24.335 --> 00:50:32.342 - we are final approval so there is each organization or individuals listed kind of like a little excerpt 00:50:32.342 --> 00:50:40.118 - of what the grant and then the amount and so as the over fiduciary oversight this board does approve 00:50:40.118 --> 00:50:46.046 - the final disbursement uh felicia did you have something to say yes i did um 00:50:46.786 --> 00:51:05.215 - So for the 2.0 discussion or idea of the grants, so I know a lot of chairs have been refilled since 00:51:05.215 --> 00:51:15.166 - the time of when I began on the board. We had changed 00:51:15.682 --> 00:51:25.653 - before a lot of you came on the board that we did not do the match grant. We had stopped a lot of the 00:51:25.653 --> 00:51:35.722 - match grants. Somewhere, somehow, the match grant came back. And that's fine, you know. We had speared 00:51:35.722 --> 00:51:43.934 - away from that because we wanted to start the culture of being away from what banks 00:51:44.258 --> 00:51:54.392 - and other lenders were because we were grants. We were set aside from everything else because we were 00:51:54.392 --> 00:52:05.121 - giving out grants to small businesses that couldn't get loans. We were the hope for companies that couldn't 00:52:05.121 --> 00:52:13.566 - sit in front of a lender that couldn't speak the language of a bank lender or a loan 00:52:13.922 --> 00:52:23.170 - advisor or anything of that such. And we spoke their language to speak to our community and give the 00:52:23.170 --> 00:52:32.418 - grants for what they needed in their business. So we didn't we didn't need them to match anything to 00:52:32.418 --> 00:52:42.398 - get access to what they needed in small portions. So we stepped away from telling them you need this amount. 00:52:42.978 --> 00:52:52.524 - to get this amount. And I understand none of you were here for that, but it breaks my heart to see it 00:52:52.524 --> 00:53:02.069 - come back. And also, as a business owner and seeing the times change and even get harder for business 00:53:02.069 --> 00:53:10.398 - owners and watch us time after time, watch business after business after business close. 00:53:12.034 --> 00:53:22.548 - and watch people say the resources aren't there. And watch us sit around this table once a month and 00:53:22.548 --> 00:53:33.270 - decide where resources go, who gets what, and decide how we get it or how we're giving it to them. And 00:53:33.270 --> 00:53:41.182 - talk to business owners that just can't get their hands around the smallest 00:53:41.506 --> 00:53:52.142 - thing to keep their life on and tell them that you can come to this group of people that understands. 00:53:52.142 --> 00:54:02.883 - I sit at that table. I know what it is. We're giving this where we're helping with these resources and 00:54:02.883 --> 00:54:10.078 - to be telling them this knowing that they may not have access to it. 00:54:10.434 --> 00:54:18.118 - Because they don't have the resources to match what I'm telling them they can have access to. You know 00:54:18.118 --> 00:54:25.579 - what I mean? I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm sitting telling them and being a liar. I'm being 00:54:25.579 --> 00:54:33.188 - a liar to the fact that on one side, I'm a business owner who struggles with them. On the other side, 00:54:33.188 --> 00:54:40.350 - I sit at this table with you guys, and y'all don't understand the struggles of a business owner 00:54:40.610 --> 00:54:51.425 - and this economy that goes through these everyday struggles, that grinds in and out, that has street 00:54:51.425 --> 00:55:02.239 - closures, that may stop your clientele, that may stop your business for two or three days of a week, 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:10.270 - when it peaks season, that you don't make revenue, that if you don't work, 00:55:10.434 --> 00:55:25.989 - you don't eat, and you don't pay yourself for months, but you still gotta keep these lights on. And 00:55:25.989 --> 00:55:39.678 - then you say, this grant money has to be matched to get it. So what I'm telling you is, 00:55:40.770 --> 00:55:52.316 - That's not an option for some business owners. That's not the case in some situations. Open your eyes 00:55:52.316 --> 00:56:03.861 - to see the economy right now. When some of you go to work, y'all know y'all gonna get a check because 00:56:03.861 --> 00:56:07.710 - you showed up. We don't clock in. 00:56:16.258 --> 00:56:26.881 - And I'm not saying this for pity. I'm not saying this for any of y'all to feel bad. I just want you 00:56:26.881 --> 00:56:38.036 - to understand and implement that into what we're doing here once a month. Like really know that we can't 00:56:38.036 --> 00:56:46.110 - keep doing this. We can't keep putting these type of restrictions on people 00:56:46.338 --> 00:56:58.695 - who don't clock in to get a check every week or twice a week. That don't happen. When they're fixing 00:56:58.695 --> 00:57:11.419 - things in their business, even if they're renting, they don't get that money back. That's all. So think 00:57:11.419 --> 00:57:16.190 - about that the next time we're saying, 00:57:18.818 --> 00:57:27.391 - We want to match it. Let's think about that when we put this 2.0 into place. Do all the grants have 00:57:27.391 --> 00:57:36.135 - matches? No. I thought this was one of the only ones. The minor repair grant does not, and that's for 00:57:36.135 --> 00:57:45.822 - up to $1,000. The safety and security has a 50. The building improvement has a 50, and the accessibility has 25. 00:57:48.034 --> 00:57:54.950 - We steered away from that for that reason. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for sharing. Thank you, Melissa. 00:57:54.950 --> 00:58:02.212 - That is before my time on the committee. Mine as well. And so I didn't realize that that was a practice. 00:58:02.212 --> 00:58:09.128 - That was a, the former board when I started, that was pretty much the requirement that they gave me 00:58:09.128 --> 00:58:16.598 - that like, well, we have to, the businesses have to have some skin in the game and that's how I constructed 00:58:16.598 --> 00:58:17.566 - it. So, yeah. 00:58:18.306 --> 00:58:25.274 - But the board is free to change any of the things that are within the grant guidelines. Just because 00:58:25.274 --> 00:58:32.173 - it's that way doesn't mean it has to be that way. There's nothing that legally says that we have to 00:58:32.173 --> 00:58:39.141 - do that. All we have to do is have a vote and change it. With the option we discussed, I would put a 00:58:39.141 --> 00:58:44.798 - no match section in this section 2.0. Because as a grant administrator, formally, 00:58:45.538 --> 00:58:50.522 - I think that in-kind without administration is essentially no match. To me, it's essentially the same 00:58:50.522 --> 00:58:55.554 - thing. You're just adding administrative burden on both sides. And that's a very just honest response. 00:58:55.554 --> 00:59:00.489 - Because if you're not, you know, we don't really have right now the grounds to kind of foresee these 00:59:00.489 --> 00:59:05.619 - things and to police them. And we don't want to be the police. You know, that's not our role. So I would 00:59:05.619 --> 00:59:08.990 - love to include that in the 2.0, if that is what you're looking for. 00:59:09.698 --> 00:59:16.453 - All right, let's do that. No match requirement, yeah. I will include the combined option and then the 00:59:16.453 --> 00:59:23.472 - no match option. That way we can kind of discuss that. And I will include kind of what the administrative 00:59:23.472 --> 00:59:30.293 - burden would look like on both sides of that. And we can kind of discuss what that'll be. That's fair. 00:59:30.293 --> 00:59:37.246 - Thank you. Thank you, Melissa. Appreciate your comments. Thank you, Melissa. Absolutely. You're welcome. 00:59:37.602 --> 00:59:43.496 - Thank you guys for listening. You're welcome. Always. Absolutely. All right. Y'all, we're at 102, so. 00:59:43.496 --> 00:59:48.638 - All right. Meeting adjourned. All right. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everyone. Thank you.