- Since I'm in person, I guess I'll pull this out. Let's go ahead and do the roll call. So we'll start
- with Zoom people. Kim? Here. All right. Jason? Here. All right. Robert? Here. Parshin? Here. Ted? Here.
- Yeah. Eric? Yeah. All right. Is everybody here? Hopefully, everybody will move on to section two. Hopefully,
- everybody's got a chance to look at the agenda in minutes. I hope to propose a minor change to the agenda,
- and that is to move
- the new business, which is the presentation from council member Piedmont Smith after the reports. So
- basically we would flip section four and five. So we do new business before old business. That was good.
- And I always forget if we need to do a quick vote on that, but it looks like it was seconded, so.
- All right, so I guess we'll do a quick vote for approval on that. So, Jason? Yes, approve. Me? Oh, aye.
- Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. So now we'll move on to the reports. So let's start out
- with co-chairs. I guess.
- Do you want me to go first? Whichever, go for it. Yeah, so in terms of my report as a co-chair, I don't
- know if our time as co-chairs is officially coming up, but we should, I think we should consider electing
- new co-chairs next
- next meeting. Part of the reason for that, and I'll announce mine, is that I don't plan on renewing
- my application to be on the commission for next year because I'm taking on some roles and being on this,
- I don't think it's responsible for me to be on this commission.
- Although I will still be in Bloomington and still be available to speak to things from previous iterations
- of the commission as needed. In terms of the current work that we're doing, I've been informally in
- talks about the report, but not acting on behalf of the commission. But I think that,
- as long as we get in place some of the things that we've been trying to do that will still move forward.
- I think that's all for me. So for me, I actually have basically a similar announcement. My appointment
- comes up in January.
- And I'm not going to be renewing because I'm going to be relocating. And so, and I was going to talk
- about the co-chairs, so I'm actually glad that we are wanting to bring that up for the next time. I
- think that that should definitely be done. I think that that's it.
- for that. Does anybody from the other members need to report out on anything? No. All right. Do we have
- any standing committees? So we'll move on to our staff liaison. So you guys have anything to report on?
- Go ahead. So we noticed that there's a meeting on December 18th that's already scheduled, but due to
- our staff schedule and the upcoming end of the year process and procedure that we have to go through
- with council's office,
- we won't be able to operate that meeting update. So we are thinking it might be easier to schedule another
- manually reschedule that meeting to January directly. And we'd like to see if we can discuss this, this
- meeting and then find a date that's available for everyone.
- Yeah, that does kind of. I think a little bit with other memberships ending. Those are at the end of
- January. Oh.
- Oh, sorry. I shared somebody in the hall. I believe that even though it officially ends, we've had members
- that it expired at the end of the year and they were, I think staff at that time told us that they were
- still able to be on the commission until their chairs were filled. So as long as staff could confirm
- that, I would,
- Just personally saying that I would be open to having something in January. Okay. And it actually does
- say it actually expires on January 31st. So that should work pretty nice though then. So yeah, so we
- should be able to, unless anybody else has any misgivings, I feel that we should be able to. Would that
- mean that we have two in January then?
- the makeup one and another one, or are we combining them into one? We will suggest that combining that
- two meeting in one in January. I heard from another board
- that there might be like a training for commissions, annual boards, like some kind of like
- release conversation about training on how these work or an overarching, anything like that? Is that
- something that are developed like training, but there's the discussing coding from that? Yeah, I think
- we're maybe- For boards and commissions, but do you ever just working on them? Yeah. We, yeah.
- learning as we lose our two chairs. But yeah, we'll confirm with um and if there is any further information
- we provide.
- There's a suggestion to move to January. Do we need to put that on the floor? Yes, if we wanted to vote
- on it now, but I believe that the suggestion was to talk about it this meeting. Yeah, because if we
- can't vote on next meeting, because it's about next meeting.
- meeting. I don't see a problem with that, especially with our 10 years end at the end of January. We
- have to do it if we don't really have another option. Yeah, exactly. So I suppose unless there's any
- vociferous objection, we should
- And then we would just move the next meeting for January. Yes. Unless you wanted to formalize the move
- motion to cancel the December meeting. I think then that would, that would be.
- It would show procedural history. I make a motion to cancel the December meeting and reschedule it for
- January. I second that motion. Sounds good to me. Jason, you're in a cold roll. Yeah. Robert? Aye. Cammie?
- Aye. Jason? Aye. Cale? Yeah. Aaron? Aye.
- Harsin? Ah. Brigitte? Ah. All right. And Sinemis. All right. So now we'll move on to public comment.
- Anyone else here? Is there anything you want to add in addition to the presentation? OK. So since we
- moved on to
- Since we flipped around some of the points, now we can give the floor to council member Piedmont Smith.
- Let's do this. So I said a couple of documents too.
- Christine, and she's going to display them. So if we could just start with the overview of community
- responder program. So I've been through a training course, meetings with local progress, which is a
- national organization of local progressive elective leaders about community response programs.
- which is an emergency. We keep hearing. Yeah, remote people may want to mute just in case. So community
- responder program is an emergency response service that's an alternative to police and it's staffed
- by mental health professionals. So it's often there's
- a mental health professional plus a peer counselor on the team. And sometimes there is an empty and
- by peer counselor, I mean somebody who has experience either with mental health issues themselves or
- with substance use disorder issues or other issues that they have gone through. So they might be able
- to relate well to people who are struggling. So it's,
- can be read directly by local government or can be contracted to nonprofit. And I have a link there.
- I think this document will be shared with committee members. So some of the benefits include that it's
- really a more effective response if somebody is having a mental health crisis to have somebody who is
- trained to deal with mental health crisis rather than having an armed police officer.
- And it reduces the exposure to armed police, obviously, in these situations. So it decreases the likelihood
- of the use of force and entanglement of the person with the criminal justice system when really they're
- having a health crisis and not committing a crime.
- And in particular, low income people and people of color are historically over-policed in our society.
- Yes, we still do have a lot of socioeconomic segregation, and police tend to focus on certain geographic
- areas and cities. So those are particularly harmed with police interactions sometimes. And so this is
- a good alternative to food.
- Situations where there's not a crime, but there's somebody just in distress and acting in a strange
- way. And it allows police to focus on responding to investigating and solving violent crime, actual
- criminal situations. And it reduces criminalization of behavior that stems from mental health. I mentioned
- that it's really not a police matter.
- and shouldn't be arrested just because you're hearing voices and you're talking to somebody who's there
- to not hurt somebody. It also diverse calls from the fire department, emergency medical services, and
- from emergency rooms, thus reducing costs overall. As everybody knows, as soon as you step in an emergency
- room, the price, the cost of that to the system,
- to individuals' estimates very quickly. So common features of the community responder programs across
- the country are, like I said, teams of two or three responders. Usually includes social workers, somebody
- else with clinical training in working with mental health clients, peer counselor, and sometimes they
- also have an EMT
- They are generally dispatched through the 911 system. So this also requires training of dispatchers
- so that they know that there's this other option. So they have a new set of questions they have to ask
- people who call 911. So they can determine, well, if there's no weapon, if there's nobody actually
- perpetrating violence or displaying a weapon, then we can send this other
- or people to deal with a situation or somebody is having a mental health issue. Usually the teams, the
- community responder teams are limited. There are very few cities where they're 24 hours a day, just
- because it costs so much money to staff 24 hours a day. But there are some cities that are building
- up to that.
- And the CRP team always takes time to not only resolve the emergency, but connect the person to services
- and there's always follow ups. So it's not just one and done checking with the person in two days and
- a week and two weeks. Three or four follow ups results in most of the systems. Um,
- When not on specific emergency calls, the teams are out in the community building relationships with
- people to become kind of a trusted face, a familiar face among people who are unhoused or people who
- are often out and about so that there's more trust there when emergency happens. And there's always
- some kind of radio contact with police because
- a situation may escalate, maybe somebody does have a gun that they pull out, then you want the police
- to come. So most programs have found that the call for police backup is very rare, but it does happen.
- There are many cities, there are dozens of cities that have these programs here, just a few of them.
- And we'll talk a little bit more about some of these on the next slide, the next document.
- Um, currently Bloomington, uh, we have, um, we have the stride mobile, uh, service that's run by center
- stone, which is a big nonprofit, um, mental health services provider. Uh, but it's not hooked into nine
- one one. So you have to know their number, uh, separately, um, to, uh, to ask for that team to come.
- And there's not that connection between the team and the police, but they're not on the same radio frequency
- or anything like that. So we kind of have a community responder program, but not really, because it's
- not integrated into our emergency response. Can I briefly add, they're doing a kind of an ad campaign
- now where there's a couple of billboards, but for other people who are noticing the billboards. Stratas
- billboards is what you're saying? Correct.
- Yeah, okay, thank you. So if we can go on to the next document, makes that figure out. I want to give
- you some examples and compare some of the programs that are out there. I don't have to read that, sorry.
- There we go.
- Okay, so these are some of the ones I've learned about. And in some cases, I've talked to people who
- are involved in those programs. So in Evanston, Illinois, they have, they all have acronyms.
- So the care team, don't ask me what it stands for, but they're all community responder programs.
- In Evanston, it's unusual because it's through the Parks and Recreation Department. Because the Parks
- and Recreation Department already had like a use outreach program where
- They had, well, they have community centers where youth can come and hang out. And then they had outreach
- staff there who also went in the community and talked with at-risk youth, who they call opportunity
- cases. I like the positive spin there. And so that kind of evolved into, well, we're doing outreach
- to these young people, but there are a lot of other people who need help where they are, you know, on
- the streets.
- public. And so they decided to launch the community responder program in 2024. Their parks and rec department
- is now following something else, slow down community services. So it's more indicative of what it includes.
- Their teams are comprised of two people. The annual call volume is
- they've only been around for a year. So I'm sure this will increase, but it's 1,816, which is 24 per
- 1,000 people in that city. And it's about 78,000. So it's just a little bit smaller than we're going
- to. If we can scroll down further down, there's another down, you know. Up a little. Up to the top of
- the video.
- There you go. You can just use the arrows maybe to go to the next page. So 4,000 residents. Their initial
- program budget was $400,000, which is not really that much in the context of the city budget.
- Um, the calls come in through central dispatch. Um, the, uh, presenter at the conference I went to said
- dispatch is our number one champion. So they, um, the, the people that work for central dispatch were
- on board. They thought this was a good idea. They were engaged in the training, um, and, um, dispatches
- run by the city. Um, in Monroe County, you may know the dispatch.
- is collaboration between the city and the county government, but it is run by the city. Those are city
- inputs. So if we talk about co-response, that means the community response team goes out at the same
- time as police. So that does happen in Evanston. They either go out with the police or they go out without
- police, depending on the situation.
- For some of these, I have various bits of financial information. So one thing about Evanston, they did
- not move any funds out of the police response. This was an addition. And very interesting, they had
- partnered with a local community college to develop the training that their team members get. So they
- were like, we're starting this new program, but we don't, can you help us by training folks?
- rather than just employing people we have on integrated social work or other clinical financials already.
- I mean, they do look for people with experience of some sort, but they put them through this, you know,
- I don't know, it was 10 or 12 week training program. So that was an interesting part of their program.
- Did they get an idea how long the term is going to last? I don't remember. It's longer than a regular
- semester. Less than 50 weeks. Okay. Yeah, feel free to stop me. I obviously. So if you could go back
- up to the top and look at another example.
- Durham, North Carolina has one of the older programs that's been around for longer than others. Their
- community, the city has looked bigger than Bloomington. So they had a lot of problems with gang violence
- and youth violence. And so they started with a program that they, it's called the Violence Interrupter
- Program. It's basically saying teaching kids, you know, there are other ways to resolve problems other
- than violence. And then that,
- moved into a study of the 9-1-1 falls, which three years worth of 9-1-1 falls were analyzed. They looked
- at use of force to see which situations use of force came about by the police and tried to hone in on
- those situations where they really could have used unarmed intervention.
- a mental health professional group. Instead of police, they had a lot of focus groups, surveys of police
- and first responders who were involved as the program was developed. 2022, okay, well, that's not that
- long. I think I was getting an extent with a bunch of it. But anyway, the oldest program in the country
- was in Springfield, Oregon, in UP, Oregon, which has been around since like,
- 1989. Eugene, Oregon has cut that program because they don't have money. Springfield, which is a neighboring
- smaller city, still has it. Anyway. It's in Durham, North Carolina. It's housed in the Community Safety
- Department. They have a department called Community Safety. Interesting. They have three people on their
- teams. They have an annual call volume of about 8,000.
- 28 per 1,000 population. So we can scroll down. Their budget is $2 million. Their calls also come in
- through some of the dispatch. They have somebody from the HART team that works in dispatch. So if the
- dispatchers aren't sure, here's what's going on.
- the HART team member who's been out in the field can say, yeah, it's okay to send HART. We deal with
- those situations. So they do have co-responsive police, small response on their own. They actually did
- move some vacant police positions into the HART program. So- And that was how they funded the 2 million
- partially was- Partially was, yeah. Using some lines and police.
- at the police budget and moving those. So their examination of 911 data showed that 90% of calls, I
- think that was supposed to be calls, didn't have anything to do with violent crime. So there were a
- lot of calls that could be eligible for hurricanes, what they found when they did their analysis.
- And less than 1% of calls are to the program. It ended with a test. So the police time was really spent
- on a lot of things. And since the program started, of course, the police have gained some of that time
- back as part of the response. Next example, I think, is Denver, a big city. That program is called STAR.
- So they started out with a program within the police department that paired a police officer with a
- mental health professional. And then it expanded into just being a mental health professional community
- responder team. Started in 2020, it's through the city health department. They have a contract. So these
- people in this community responder program in Denver do not work for the city of Denver, work for a
- mental health provider.
- that has a contra net with significant. Is that change of training at all? Like is it done separately
- and then we just? Yeah, I think so. So the the the mental health nonprofit for provide the training.
- Uh, so they have two people on each team that they send out. Their annual call volume is 7067, so that's.
- lower per person than some of the others, only 11 per one passing population. They have a much bigger
- budget, the city, a lot of area to cover. They go through central dispatch. Sometimes they go with police,
- sometimes they go on their own. As I said, they have a contract
- mental health center, Denver. Yeah. Is that, is the mental health center a nonprofit profit or a fee?
- Yes, it's nonprofit. Yeah. And in the first four years of the program, 41% of individuals served or
- referred to mental health, to formal mental health or substance use services. So that's actually
- seems low to me, but, and 38% were actually transported. So they were driven to a resource so that they
- could go there, get food, get through that, whatever they needed. A lot of what STI does as well, locally
- as well, we'll get you to know. It is useful. All right, the next one.
- is Olympia, Washington. So that is population 55,000. That's small in Burlington. It is the capital
- of the state of Washington. So a little bit different, just demographics that we have. They got grant
- funds there. State of Washington Police and Sheriff's Association actually gave them a grant to have
- a community responder program. That is perhaps why
- They are housed within a police department. Their people work for the police department. Let me see.
- Their teams are two people. They answer a lot of calls, 2,000 for their community. That's a lot for
- a year. That's 36 for 1,000 population. Their budget is pretty small, 550,000.
- their calls come through central dispatch. And yeah, they also have their teams, the crew teams help
- identify which calls should answer them. They have both teams that go with police and teams that go
- out to do the calls. So they started out as being
- Contracted the contract of the service to nonprofit and now they have cities taking those over their
- cities. Um, There are parts of, um, yeah, where the routines will not go without police. So I thought
- that was interesting that they some haven't judged that
- It's likely to end in violence if you're going to that neighborhood. I don't know what they base that
- on, but there are a couple of neighborhoods they won't go on their own. Since these staff people are
- out of the police department, are they sworn officers? They are not sworn officers, yeah. They're dressed
- like what we're doing, because we don't have our downtown resources.
- still look like officers. Well, they are for officers. Yeah, they are officers. Sounds like I'm learning
- how they're dressed or how they're perceived by those neighborhoods no matter what. Yeah. I think I
- saw a photo of them herding a team and it was like polo showers. Scary. Scary. So just up the highway
- to Indianapolis,
- as a community resonder program. It's called the CLCR, clinician-led response. They started by having
- a team within the police department called MCAT, not to be confused with that exam we have to take on
- their law school. They started with that, and then community activists said, no, we want an option that does not
- called police. And part of that is because a couple of mental health crises were met with police and
- the person died. The person was shot or tased in the case of Hermann Whitefield. He was tased and he
- died. So there was a lot of activism, especially among the black community, to create a non-police book.
- So it was run through the Office of Public Health and Safety.
- through a contract with a non-profit. Their teams are made up of two people. We're gonna scroll a little
- bit. So they're pretty low on the number of responses. They do not cover all of Indianapolis yet. They
- are gradually expanding. They started with just downtown. Now they've added several other neighborhoods.
- So it's only one per 1,000 population right now, not great. But they are trying to stay home. Their
- most recent program budget, I could find, is $2 million. They are dispatched through the 911 system.
- They cannot go with the police. They are on their own, open, because the police don't have their end cafes.
- So the contract is with an agency called Stepping Stones Therapy Center. And I guess the unique thing
- is that they do have this police entity where police and social worker go together and separate from
- the community stronger holding police. Which kind of takes us to Bloomington, which is the last column.
- And we sort of have that as well. So I think everybody here has sort of stride, stride mobile. The Stride
- Center developed with private and public support as, first of all, not just a location, a third option
- when somebody's in a mental health crisis and they encounter, you know, somebody calls the police or
- they encounter the police.
- The community wanted a third option between sending them to the hospital or sending them to jail because
- they needed to be connected with help, social services, mental health care center. So that's how Stride
- came to be in 2020 and then Stride local developed from there in 2023. It's the only one I've come across
- where it's not, has no connection with city or county.
- own independent thing. And they have two people teams, our specialist and peer counselor. So the data
- I got from them is about a year old. So they, with the marketing campaign and everything, these numbers
- are probably going up, but they had 518 responses in here.
- what their budget is. Their calls do not come in through central dispatch. You have to call a temperature
- number. They sometimes do respond with police. Sometimes police will actually look on a scene and they
- see that it's a mental health situation. So they sometimes are responding with. Our population
- That's less than one per 1,000. I suggest that there will probably be more in the dispatch system. I
- think for sure. Do we know? Has this ever been discussed? Do we know if there's a history and why it
- might not have been yet? Do we know anything about that? Was there like forces in the city? Are there like...
- that we could reassess or maybe this is something I've been talking to city leaders about for a couple
- of years. And these types of programs feature prominently in the 2023 report that this commission wrote,
- right? Yeah, community response programs and the,
- Tammy and Jason can speak to this as well, but you know, the number one recommendation was to investigate
- whether it would make sense to have a Department of Community Safety, some sort, raising all right.
- Yeah. Department of Community Safety and Resilience. Resilience, yes, thank you. And so it's been like
- pulling teeth to even get the city to consider
- creating such an inferment, which would start with a study of our 911 folks. So, you know, Hamilton,
- John Hamilton's administration was in its waning months when the report came out, so they weren't gonna
- take the initiative. Mayor Thompson has indicated some interest, but is very wary of replicating what
- already exists.
- The police department here, as you probably know, imports more social workers. And actually the mayor
- just came out with a report today about how her administration has dealt with homelessness. And there's
- a section in there about non-police response where she talks about stride. So I don't know why that
- connection hasn't been made between stride getting into the dispatch
- But I think it also has to do with our central dispatch being disarrayed. I mean, that's kind of inside
- baseball and I don't know the details, but there have been some staff, tremendous staff shortages, dispatch
- and some management problems. So I think the Thompson administration has been focusing on just stabilizing
- that before asking them to weigh in on
- Could we route these calls to you? And I had, I did meet with Linda Drowfall from Centerstone who,
- you know, overseas drive a few months ago. And I don't think they're averse to, I don't, didn't get
- the feeling she would, you know, think it was a bad thing to go through dispatch, but she's also part
- of a multi-stakes big,
- non-profit organization that has their own procedures, their own governments. So, you know, we would
- have to hash out a contract with them and say, what are they going to do? What are we going to do? How's
- the interaction going to work? So there are a lot of things to think through. I just think our community
- hasn't gotten to it yet. And that's, that contract would then be with Center or STEM.
- In theory. In theory. And they're the multi-state, yeah. I didn't realize they were multi-state.
- Oh yeah, they just added a couple more states. I wonder if they do have contracts with other states
- as a template. Do you know what they're, or is there a range, even if it's not like, is it exactly like
- stride and other things, or is it changing depending on the cities of the land?
- It's very, I'm not a city, I'm not a city. Almost all of your research of all the different cities,
- is there things that you've learned that with our current system of stride being where they're at and
- where the city's at, are there like recommendations that you've learned as you've studied the different cities?
- going through stride being the good thing or thinking elsewhere or like as you've worked through different
- cities, seen the positives and the cons, is there any recommendations you have for our city that you
- like a few foundational ones or anything? Other experts have said that it's most beneficial for the
- the employees of the community responder program to be city employees. There's more stability in that.
- You should get better applicants from that. The city has a well-established entity that has some credibility
- in the community and has good benefits like that. But there are also communities like Pittsburgh, Allegheny
- County, which is where Pittsburgh is.
- Although city Pittsburgh doesn't participate, but Allegheny County has a community responder program.
- And they speak very highly of the nonprofit that they have contracted with and really think that they've
- done a great job in storage training. I think that it could go either way. If you're contracting, that
- will see the details.
- to have enough say, the city to have enough say in it. So they're not micromanaging the mental health
- professionals. City administrators are not expert at that. And yet they're still adhering to the same
- principles as that. So I think most could work. I mean, here we have stride. They're doing it. I think
- going in a different direction would be
- There was something at the bottom of that document about Stride and that they are a five county operation.
- Stride served five counties. So those numbers were over five counties. Now, most of them were in Monroe
- County. They have a Stride location also in Montgomery County, Columbus, Indiana. So a lot of the calls
- were there too, but
- So when you look at the numbers as compared with other cities, these are so low. And, you know, I, Linda
- Grove Hall got a little bit defensive and saying, we can handle it, you know, because I was like, oh,
- it's great. You're going to do the most marketing, but what about people? She's like, oh, we can hire more.
- If they're really, if we're really going to go through central dispatch, I think the number of calls
- that we would want to send their way is going to increase extra naturally. They would have to be ready
- for that. And I don't, I don't know what they're asking. Do we know when they get their money? Just
- thinking ahead, whether they will have funding in the long term or how that
- I think they can rely on some brain. So I don't know how stable their funding is. Yeah. The coming years.
- Let's try global is being held up in the state as an example for other communities as well. Yes.
- So I did. I was looking through the
- Addendum with the 911 report that was in the packet. One of the options implementing the social worker
- and dispatch. It says that it is funded, but because of those staffing problems, do we know if that
- is one of the positions that still is not filled because of those issues? Do we know that often?
- Okay. It was vacant for a long time. Well, and I thought I remembered that too, but I didn't know. I
- don't know. So it sounds like some kind of follow up might be good to get a pulse on that current dispatch
- situation. That's something. Yeah.
- Oh, I thought they had the first position filled and they were trying to find the second social worker.
- Um, yeah, they, I don't know how many vacancies they had, but the specific position, I guess that Robert
- was asking about is the one in the central dispatch. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they were still having problems
- filling it, but I'm not sure. Yeah.
- Yeah, I don't know why. Because it was in dispatch and our dispatch was a little bit discombobulating
- salary. But just to remind you, because I think that we indicated this before. So we do in the 2025
- budget, there is $10,000.
- that is supposed to go towards a study of our 911 calls and whether they could be addressed by non-police.
- I've been nagging deputy mayor for months now to try to get that money spent on a contract to do that
- stuff, and I still don't.
- So they're looking at two different entities that do that kind of thing. And I still don't know whether
- they decided on one and I'm going forward. That's not something that we as a body have much power to
- try to push that. Is that where you could support that push? Yeah. I don't have this thing. You know, send
- a memo or a message to the mayor's office. It came from your 2023 report. Yeah. This was the first step.
- It's in the first. Yeah. You could vote to send a message to the mayor's office and inquire about it.
- I second that. For the 2025 budget.
- What happens to that if we don't, if it's not used, does it go, like, does that, it goes away? It's
- not reallotted? Oh, shoot. The fiscal year for the 2025 budget ends when? So, I mean, the work obviously
- doesn't have to be done in 2025, but contrasting the size and the purchase order. Is that something?
- the, is this message or memo that we send, is that something that we can do separate from each other
- and then all create a problem and like email and send or something. I know we can vote on making it
- here, but what's that like? Cause we're not gonna have a meeting in December, I was just saying. The
- thing that now we've got a pickle that we're not meeting in December, but this could be a good one.
- We all share it with each other and then, you know, what's that? We can't deliberate. Yeah. Yeah. How
- much time would it take us to divide one now? Is that a naive question? Like, is that, I mean, it could
- be very simple. Yeah, right. It could be simple, right? Yeah. I'm also wondering, because as a commission,
- we've coordinated and spoken up at,
- city meetings, specifically the ones deciding the budget. I'm wondering, since we've sent backchannel
- communications with the mayor's office and have kind of gotten those plans kicked down the road because
- the Carey administration wasn't willing to look at them right now, would it be effective to show up at a
- at a city council meeting to get that on record, to either speak on behalf of the commission or as private
- individuals referencing the report, would that add a little heat to kind of considering that or looking
- at that? It wouldn't hurt, but then you're talking to the city council, not make them do both. Yeah,
- I'll show it to anybody. I'm showing you the thing tomorrow.
- You can write a letter to the mayor and write a letter to the editor. The editor.
- We want to do that. That's a hard decision to make. We can always send our simple thing first, and then
- if we don't see a response, then if we want to follow up with it in a different way, we could. I wouldn't
- be OK with that. Other thoughts? First, for any initial action, we have to meet in person if we wanted
- to draft an initial letter to the mayor, and then for the next session,
- No, you don't. You can write the email, send it out, have people add what they think should go on to
- it or what they like or what they don't like or how they think the email should go. You can send that
- around and everybody can comment on it and then write it up as an email after everybody has commented on it.
- That sounds like deliberation though. I thought we could do that. We've done it before. No. Yeah,
- we don't. We think that that's sort of like receiving information between members. So that should be
- during our meeting officially here. That's just right now.
- Or we can have maybe co-shares to draft that and send it out. Yeah, I think in the past we've done things.
- We've sent out a draft for people to consider and then bring their comments to the next meeting. Rather
- than the ratio, right? That's a change. That's right. I know. I'm just saying that's probably what...
- Right. Yeah.
- Are you writing something? I think my guy here has attempted something with the pressure on. I'm definitely
- down to get something out while we're out here. Yeah, I mean, what do we have to lose? And again, this
- might be a part of what I'm new to this.
- Yeah, if we don't try or if we have like what do we have to ask tools by asking, right? And also that's
- the suggested by the previous and then also ties in all the ones that we've, we want to see. Yeah. Yeah.
- In several discussions it has come up that we, that, you know, it'll be a resource for the future too. So yeah.
- Robert, do you want any book help? Okay. I can talk while they're, I cannot formulate sentences. I find
- that hard too. All right. Are you ready? Yeah. Yes. Nice guy. Yeah, look up there. Pretend like I'm
- looking at you. Okay. Possible note.
- So we can address that if we want, but it is our... Again, it is our understanding that the 2025 budget
- allotted money to perform a study of the city's 911 calls. We're hoping to get a follow-up or update
- on this process in light of the end of year approaching. We would appreciate any update you could give.
- Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next year? Love, you guys.
- Perfect. It's great. Exes, you know, cats. Yeah. So that's my- Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas,
- Happy Kwanzaa. That is awesome. Maybe we can add that with like any solution that we're thinking about
- kind of stops at this having this critical data, right? To make it like- Yeah, I referenced it in 2023
- or 4. Yeah, this data is critical to our work.
- Yes, for our 2023 report. Yeah, for our 2023 report. We're not just writing to annoy you. I do that
- every day anyway. It's my job. All right. So, yeah.
- It is our understanding that the 2025 budget allotted money to perform a study of City's 9-1-1 calls.
- We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in light of the end of the year approaching.
- We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next year?
- This study would be critical for our work related to our 2023 report, so would appreciate your assistance.
- I would add that this study is critical to our work, to our mission. Gap per the 2023 study.
- Gap per report. Or report, yeah. All right. I second that. You're not going to need that edit.
- The only thing I have to think about is that last sentence. It would be funny to be able to move forward
- to next year if the contract is not drafted by the end of the fifth year or something like that. Put
- a little bit of pressure on, get it done, but also into the question of if you're not going, if you're
- not planning to, but I don't know, maybe. If it's not completed by the end of the fifth full year. Yeah.
- Yes, Moodle, but don't just do that for us. We were going to just finish up. All right. I mean,
- those changes, shall I read it again? One more time and then we vote on it? Yeah. Can you write the
- as that we
- Okay, that it was also not just per the report, but also the special committee meetings that we had
- with her. Yeah. Because I had, I sat in several special committee meetings that we had with her and
- it was discussed in them as well. Okay, so like her 2023 report and the special committee meetings.
- That we had directly with her.
- Yeah, we have record. Okay. You ready? Yes. Hopefully I will trip over my own tongue here.
- It is our understanding that the 2025 budget allotted money to perform a study of the city's 911 calls.
- We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in white at the end of the year approaching.
- We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next
- year if a contract isn't completed by end of the year? This study would be critical
- our mission for our 2023 report and special meetings members of our committee had with the mayor's office
- so we would appreciate your assistance. The wording contract completed does that mean the contract has
- like I'm not a lawyer but what does that mean the contract has to be signed or does it mean the contract
- has to be fulfilled. I would say, yeah, I don't like the word completed. I would use effective or executed.
- Executed. Can we suggest that the funds completed or something, right? Executed. Executed.
- Like the contract being executed would mean that the contractor has done the work and that's not going
- to happen, right? No. That's an enemy's sign. Oh, good. A sign. Oh, yeah. It's enforceable. Oh, you're
- a lawyer? Oh, good. Sorry, lawyer. Good. I'm happier, though. Thank you. She knows some lawyers.
- All right. So I have that as a draft.
- I change that one word to execute it. Shall I read it one more time or are we satisfied enough to put
- this to a vote? One more time. I think at one point you used the word committee, but this is a commission.
- First permission. Yes. It's because it was called, because it was a special committee,
- that met with her for the commission. It was called a special committee meeting that we had with her
- because it was a special committee on behalf of the commission. I think I can read that. It
- is our understanding that it's 2025 budget. A lot of you need to perform a study of the city's number
- one calls.
- We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in light of the end of year approaching.
- We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next
- year if a contract isn't executed by end of the year? This study would be critical for our mission per
- our 2023 report
- and special meetings members of our commission had with the mayor's office. So we would appreciate your
- assistance. Good enough. Yeah. I move that we accept this email to send to the mayor's office.
- I second that. Me too. All right. While I'm writing and saving this,
- Call. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. We'll start on the other side of the table and go back for us this
- time. Brigitte? Yes. Tarsin? Yes. Erin? Yes. Robert? I. Kale? Yes. Cami? Yay. Jason? Yay.
- It is passed unanimously. All right. Is this something that, I guess, who is sending this? Probably,
- it should be coming from one of our co-chairs. Yes, that means it's me, since I'm on notes.
- You can burn bridges if you're relocating anyway. What is the email? What is the email to? Mayor at
- Bloomington.in. Mayor at indiana.in.
- I will send that in the next day or so. Here's Dar. Excellent.
- We can call the mayor's office. Okay. We might want to wait and see what response you get. Yeah. When
- is the next city council meeting? Summer. Okay. So in the next day or so, I will send with my account
- as a commission person to the mayor's office.
- And as far as reporting back, I should be able to just forward that to everybody, but not expect responses.
- And that covers, since we're not deliberating over it, that's my thought. And of course, CC,
- you fine folks, just keep everything transparent and not be up and up. Sounds good.
- All right. Well, I know we did not get to the old business, but in some ways, I feel like that kind
- of a little bit got covered with this. Would you agree with that, Jason? Yeah, that's what I was going
- to suggest. That kind of addresses that. Yeah, which means our, yeah, I think even our business is now
- kind of covered with this. So,
- I guess in the interest of time, since it's two minutes after, I move to adjourn this meeting.
- I second it. All right. So we'll start with the remotes. Maybe. Kamie, do you? Yay. Yay. Jason? Yay.
- Okay. Yay. Bridget? Yay.
- Carson? Yay. Aaron? Yay. Robert says yay. Winning a juror. Thanks everybody for being here. Especially
- thank you. I don't think you have to vote about the juror. We did. I'm making stuff up. We never do
- it passive.
- For sure.