Since I'm in person, I guess I'll pull this out. Let's go ahead and do the roll call. So we'll start
with Zoom people. Kim? Here. All right. Jason? Here. All right. Robert? Here. Parshin? Here. Ted? Here.
Yeah. Eric? Yeah. All right. Is everybody here? Hopefully, everybody will move on to section two. Hopefully,
everybody's got a chance to look at the agenda in minutes. I hope to propose a minor change to the agenda,
and that is to move
the new business, which is the presentation from council member Piedmont Smith after the reports. So
basically we would flip section four and five. So we do new business before old business. That was good.
And I always forget if we need to do a quick vote on that, but it looks like it was seconded, so.
All right, so I guess we'll do a quick vote for approval on that. So, Jason? Yes, approve. Me? Oh, aye.
Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. So now we'll move on to the reports. So let's start out
with co-chairs. I guess.
Do you want me to go first? Whichever, go for it. Yeah, so in terms of my report as a co-chair, I don't
know if our time as co-chairs is officially coming up, but we should, I think we should consider electing
new co-chairs next
next meeting. Part of the reason for that, and I'll announce mine, is that I don't plan on renewing
my application to be on the commission for next year because I'm taking on some roles and being on this,
I don't think it's responsible for me to be on this commission.
Although I will still be in Bloomington and still be available to speak to things from previous iterations
of the commission as needed. In terms of the current work that we're doing, I've been informally in
talks about the report, but not acting on behalf of the commission. But I think that,
as long as we get in place some of the things that we've been trying to do that will still move forward.
I think that's all for me. So for me, I actually have basically a similar announcement. My appointment
comes up in January.
And I'm not going to be renewing because I'm going to be relocating. And so, and I was going to talk
about the co-chairs, so I'm actually glad that we are wanting to bring that up for the next time. I
think that that should definitely be done. I think that that's it.
for that. Does anybody from the other members need to report out on anything? No. All right. Do we have
any standing committees? So we'll move on to our staff liaison. So you guys have anything to report on?
Go ahead. So we noticed that there's a meeting on December 18th that's already scheduled, but due to
our staff schedule and the upcoming end of the year process and procedure that we have to go through
with council's office,
we won't be able to operate that meeting update. So we are thinking it might be easier to schedule another
manually reschedule that meeting to January directly. And we'd like to see if we can discuss this, this
meeting and then find a date that's available for everyone.
Yeah, that does kind of. I think a little bit with other memberships ending. Those are at the end of
January. Oh.
Oh, sorry. I shared somebody in the hall. I believe that even though it officially ends, we've had members
that it expired at the end of the year and they were, I think staff at that time told us that they were
still able to be on the commission until their chairs were filled. So as long as staff could confirm
that, I would,
Just personally saying that I would be open to having something in January. Okay. And it actually does
say it actually expires on January 31st. So that should work pretty nice though then. So yeah, so we
should be able to, unless anybody else has any misgivings, I feel that we should be able to. Would that
mean that we have two in January then?
the makeup one and another one, or are we combining them into one? We will suggest that combining that
two meeting in one in January. I heard from another board
that there might be like a training for commissions, annual boards, like some kind of like
release conversation about training on how these work or an overarching, anything like that? Is that
something that are developed like training, but there's the discussing coding from that? Yeah, I think
we're maybe- For boards and commissions, but do you ever just working on them? Yeah. We, yeah.
learning as we lose our two chairs. But yeah, we'll confirm with um and if there is any further information
we provide.
There's a suggestion to move to January. Do we need to put that on the floor? Yes, if we wanted to vote
on it now, but I believe that the suggestion was to talk about it this meeting. Yeah, because if we
can't vote on next meeting, because it's about next meeting.
meeting. I don't see a problem with that, especially with our 10 years end at the end of January. We
have to do it if we don't really have another option. Yeah, exactly. So I suppose unless there's any
vociferous objection, we should
And then we would just move the next meeting for January. Yes. Unless you wanted to formalize the move
motion to cancel the December meeting. I think then that would, that would be.
It would show procedural history. I make a motion to cancel the December meeting and reschedule it for
January. I second that motion. Sounds good to me. Jason, you're in a cold roll. Yeah. Robert? Aye. Cammie?
Aye. Jason? Aye. Cale? Yeah. Aaron? Aye.
Harsin? Ah. Brigitte? Ah. All right. And Sinemis. All right. So now we'll move on to public comment.
Anyone else here? Is there anything you want to add in addition to the presentation? OK. So since we
moved on to
Since we flipped around some of the points, now we can give the floor to council member Piedmont Smith.
Let's do this. So I said a couple of documents too.
Christine, and she's going to display them. So if we could just start with the overview of community
responder program. So I've been through a training course, meetings with local progress, which is a
national organization of local progressive elective leaders about community response programs.
which is an emergency. We keep hearing. Yeah, remote people may want to mute just in case. So community
responder program is an emergency response service that's an alternative to police and it's staffed
by mental health professionals. So it's often there's
a mental health professional plus a peer counselor on the team. And sometimes there is an empty and
by peer counselor, I mean somebody who has experience either with mental health issues themselves or
with substance use disorder issues or other issues that they have gone through. So they might be able
to relate well to people who are struggling. So it's,
can be read directly by local government or can be contracted to nonprofit. And I have a link there.
I think this document will be shared with committee members. So some of the benefits include that it's
really a more effective response if somebody is having a mental health crisis to have somebody who is
trained to deal with mental health crisis rather than having an armed police officer.
And it reduces the exposure to armed police, obviously, in these situations. So it decreases the likelihood
of the use of force and entanglement of the person with the criminal justice system when really they're
having a health crisis and not committing a crime.
And in particular, low income people and people of color are historically over-policed in our society.
Yes, we still do have a lot of socioeconomic segregation, and police tend to focus on certain geographic
areas and cities. So those are particularly harmed with police interactions sometimes. And so this is
a good alternative to food.
Situations where there's not a crime, but there's somebody just in distress and acting in a strange
way. And it allows police to focus on responding to investigating and solving violent crime, actual
criminal situations. And it reduces criminalization of behavior that stems from mental health. I mentioned
that it's really not a police matter.
and shouldn't be arrested just because you're hearing voices and you're talking to somebody who's there
to not hurt somebody. It also diverse calls from the fire department, emergency medical services, and
from emergency rooms, thus reducing costs overall. As everybody knows, as soon as you step in an emergency
room, the price, the cost of that to the system,
to individuals' estimates very quickly. So common features of the community responder programs across
the country are, like I said, teams of two or three responders. Usually includes social workers, somebody
else with clinical training in working with mental health clients, peer counselor, and sometimes they
also have an EMT
They are generally dispatched through the 911 system. So this also requires training of dispatchers
so that they know that there's this other option. So they have a new set of questions they have to ask
people who call 911. So they can determine, well, if there's no weapon, if there's nobody actually
perpetrating violence or displaying a weapon, then we can send this other
or people to deal with a situation or somebody is having a mental health issue. Usually the teams, the
community responder teams are limited. There are very few cities where they're 24 hours a day, just
because it costs so much money to staff 24 hours a day. But there are some cities that are building
up to that.
And the CRP team always takes time to not only resolve the emergency, but connect the person to services
and there's always follow ups. So it's not just one and done checking with the person in two days and
a week and two weeks. Three or four follow ups results in most of the systems. Um,
When not on specific emergency calls, the teams are out in the community building relationships with
people to become kind of a trusted face, a familiar face among people who are unhoused or people who
are often out and about so that there's more trust there when emergency happens. And there's always
some kind of radio contact with police because
a situation may escalate, maybe somebody does have a gun that they pull out, then you want the police
to come. So most programs have found that the call for police backup is very rare, but it does happen.
There are many cities, there are dozens of cities that have these programs here, just a few of them.
And we'll talk a little bit more about some of these on the next slide, the next document.
Um, currently Bloomington, uh, we have, um, we have the stride mobile, uh, service that's run by center
stone, which is a big nonprofit, um, mental health services provider. Uh, but it's not hooked into nine
one one. So you have to know their number, uh, separately, um, to, uh, to ask for that team to come.
And there's not that connection between the team and the police, but they're not on the same radio frequency
or anything like that. So we kind of have a community responder program, but not really, because it's
not integrated into our emergency response. Can I briefly add, they're doing a kind of an ad campaign
now where there's a couple of billboards, but for other people who are noticing the billboards. Stratas
billboards is what you're saying? Correct.
Yeah, okay, thank you. So if we can go on to the next document, makes that figure out. I want to give
you some examples and compare some of the programs that are out there. I don't have to read that, sorry.
There we go.
Okay, so these are some of the ones I've learned about. And in some cases, I've talked to people who
are involved in those programs. So in Evanston, Illinois, they have, they all have acronyms.
So the care team, don't ask me what it stands for, but they're all community responder programs.
In Evanston, it's unusual because it's through the Parks and Recreation Department. Because the Parks
and Recreation Department already had like a use outreach program where
They had, well, they have community centers where youth can come and hang out. And then they had outreach
staff there who also went in the community and talked with at-risk youth, who they call opportunity
cases. I like the positive spin there. And so that kind of evolved into, well, we're doing outreach
to these young people, but there are a lot of other people who need help where they are, you know, on
the streets.
public. And so they decided to launch the community responder program in 2024. Their parks and rec department
is now following something else, slow down community services. So it's more indicative of what it includes.
Their teams are comprised of two people. The annual call volume is
they've only been around for a year. So I'm sure this will increase, but it's 1,816, which is 24 per
1,000 people in that city. And it's about 78,000. So it's just a little bit smaller than we're going
to. If we can scroll down further down, there's another down, you know. Up a little. Up to the top of
the video.
There you go. You can just use the arrows maybe to go to the next page. So 4,000 residents. Their initial
program budget was $400,000, which is not really that much in the context of the city budget.
Um, the calls come in through central dispatch. Um, the, uh, presenter at the conference I went to said
dispatch is our number one champion. So they, um, the, the people that work for central dispatch were
on board. They thought this was a good idea. They were engaged in the training, um, and, um, dispatches
run by the city. Um, in Monroe County, you may know the dispatch.
is collaboration between the city and the county government, but it is run by the city. Those are city
inputs. So if we talk about co-response, that means the community response team goes out at the same
time as police. So that does happen in Evanston. They either go out with the police or they go out without
police, depending on the situation.
For some of these, I have various bits of financial information. So one thing about Evanston, they did
not move any funds out of the police response. This was an addition. And very interesting, they had
partnered with a local community college to develop the training that their team members get. So they
were like, we're starting this new program, but we don't, can you help us by training folks?
rather than just employing people we have on integrated social work or other clinical financials already.
I mean, they do look for people with experience of some sort, but they put them through this, you know,
I don't know, it was 10 or 12 week training program. So that was an interesting part of their program.
Did they get an idea how long the term is going to last? I don't remember. It's longer than a regular
semester. Less than 50 weeks. Okay. Yeah, feel free to stop me. I obviously. So if you could go back
up to the top and look at another example.
Durham, North Carolina has one of the older programs that's been around for longer than others. Their
community, the city has looked bigger than Bloomington. So they had a lot of problems with gang violence
and youth violence. And so they started with a program that they, it's called the Violence Interrupter
Program. It's basically saying teaching kids, you know, there are other ways to resolve problems other
than violence. And then that,
moved into a study of the 9-1-1 falls, which three years worth of 9-1-1 falls were analyzed. They looked
at use of force to see which situations use of force came about by the police and tried to hone in on
those situations where they really could have used unarmed intervention.
a mental health professional group. Instead of police, they had a lot of focus groups, surveys of police
and first responders who were involved as the program was developed. 2022, okay, well, that's not that
long. I think I was getting an extent with a bunch of it. But anyway, the oldest program in the country
was in Springfield, Oregon, in UP, Oregon, which has been around since like,
1989. Eugene, Oregon has cut that program because they don't have money. Springfield, which is a neighboring
smaller city, still has it. Anyway. It's in Durham, North Carolina. It's housed in the Community Safety
Department. They have a department called Community Safety. Interesting. They have three people on their
teams. They have an annual call volume of about 8,000.
28 per 1,000 population. So we can scroll down. Their budget is $2 million. Their calls also come in
through some of the dispatch. They have somebody from the HART team that works in dispatch. So if the
dispatchers aren't sure, here's what's going on.
the HART team member who's been out in the field can say, yeah, it's okay to send HART. We deal with
those situations. So they do have co-responsive police, small response on their own. They actually did
move some vacant police positions into the HART program. So- And that was how they funded the 2 million
partially was- Partially was, yeah. Using some lines and police.
at the police budget and moving those. So their examination of 911 data showed that 90% of calls, I
think that was supposed to be calls, didn't have anything to do with violent crime. So there were a
lot of calls that could be eligible for hurricanes, what they found when they did their analysis.
And less than 1% of calls are to the program. It ended with a test. So the police time was really spent
on a lot of things. And since the program started, of course, the police have gained some of that time
back as part of the response. Next example, I think, is Denver, a big city. That program is called STAR.
So they started out with a program within the police department that paired a police officer with a
mental health professional. And then it expanded into just being a mental health professional community
responder team. Started in 2020, it's through the city health department. They have a contract. So these
people in this community responder program in Denver do not work for the city of Denver, work for a
mental health provider.
that has a contra net with significant. Is that change of training at all? Like is it done separately
and then we just? Yeah, I think so. So the the the mental health nonprofit for provide the training.
Uh, so they have two people on each team that they send out. Their annual call volume is 7067, so that's.
lower per person than some of the others, only 11 per one passing population. They have a much bigger
budget, the city, a lot of area to cover. They go through central dispatch. Sometimes they go with police,
sometimes they go on their own. As I said, they have a contract
mental health center, Denver. Yeah. Is that, is the mental health center a nonprofit profit or a fee?
Yes, it's nonprofit. Yeah. And in the first four years of the program, 41% of individuals served or
referred to mental health, to formal mental health or substance use services. So that's actually
seems low to me, but, and 38% were actually transported. So they were driven to a resource so that they
could go there, get food, get through that, whatever they needed. A lot of what STI does as well, locally
as well, we'll get you to know. It is useful. All right, the next one.
is Olympia, Washington. So that is population 55,000. That's small in Burlington. It is the capital
of the state of Washington. So a little bit different, just demographics that we have. They got grant
funds there. State of Washington Police and Sheriff's Association actually gave them a grant to have
a community responder program. That is perhaps why
They are housed within a police department. Their people work for the police department. Let me see.
Their teams are two people. They answer a lot of calls, 2,000 for their community. That's a lot for
a year. That's 36 for 1,000 population. Their budget is pretty small, 550,000.
their calls come through central dispatch. And yeah, they also have their teams, the crew teams help
identify which calls should answer them. They have both teams that go with police and teams that go
out to do the calls. So they started out as being
Contracted the contract of the service to nonprofit and now they have cities taking those over their
cities. Um, There are parts of, um, yeah, where the routines will not go without police. So I thought
that was interesting that they some haven't judged that
It's likely to end in violence if you're going to that neighborhood. I don't know what they base that
on, but there are a couple of neighborhoods they won't go on their own. Since these staff people are
out of the police department, are they sworn officers? They are not sworn officers, yeah. They're dressed
like what we're doing, because we don't have our downtown resources.
still look like officers. Well, they are for officers. Yeah, they are officers. Sounds like I'm learning
how they're dressed or how they're perceived by those neighborhoods no matter what. Yeah. I think I
saw a photo of them herding a team and it was like polo showers. Scary. Scary. So just up the highway
to Indianapolis,
as a community resonder program. It's called the CLCR, clinician-led response. They started by having
a team within the police department called MCAT, not to be confused with that exam we have to take on
their law school. They started with that, and then community activists said, no, we want an option that does not
called police. And part of that is because a couple of mental health crises were met with police and
the person died. The person was shot or tased in the case of Hermann Whitefield. He was tased and he
died. So there was a lot of activism, especially among the black community, to create a non-police book.
So it was run through the Office of Public Health and Safety.
through a contract with a non-profit. Their teams are made up of two people. We're gonna scroll a little
bit. So they're pretty low on the number of responses. They do not cover all of Indianapolis yet. They
are gradually expanding. They started with just downtown. Now they've added several other neighborhoods.
So it's only one per 1,000 population right now, not great. But they are trying to stay home. Their
most recent program budget, I could find, is $2 million. They are dispatched through the 911 system.
They cannot go with the police. They are on their own, open, because the police don't have their end cafes.
So the contract is with an agency called Stepping Stones Therapy Center. And I guess the unique thing
is that they do have this police entity where police and social worker go together and separate from
the community stronger holding police. Which kind of takes us to Bloomington, which is the last column.
And we sort of have that as well. So I think everybody here has sort of stride, stride mobile. The Stride
Center developed with private and public support as, first of all, not just a location, a third option
when somebody's in a mental health crisis and they encounter, you know, somebody calls the police or
they encounter the police.
The community wanted a third option between sending them to the hospital or sending them to jail because
they needed to be connected with help, social services, mental health care center. So that's how Stride
came to be in 2020 and then Stride local developed from there in 2023. It's the only one I've come across
where it's not, has no connection with city or county.
own independent thing. And they have two people teams, our specialist and peer counselor. So the data
I got from them is about a year old. So they, with the marketing campaign and everything, these numbers
are probably going up, but they had 518 responses in here.
what their budget is. Their calls do not come in through central dispatch. You have to call a temperature
number. They sometimes do respond with police. Sometimes police will actually look on a scene and they
see that it's a mental health situation. So they sometimes are responding with. Our population
That's less than one per 1,000. I suggest that there will probably be more in the dispatch system. I
think for sure. Do we know? Has this ever been discussed? Do we know if there's a history and why it
might not have been yet? Do we know anything about that? Was there like forces in the city? Are there like...
that we could reassess or maybe this is something I've been talking to city leaders about for a couple
of years. And these types of programs feature prominently in the 2023 report that this commission wrote,
right? Yeah, community response programs and the,
Tammy and Jason can speak to this as well, but you know, the number one recommendation was to investigate
whether it would make sense to have a Department of Community Safety, some sort, raising all right.
Yeah. Department of Community Safety and Resilience. Resilience, yes, thank you. And so it's been like
pulling teeth to even get the city to consider
creating such an inferment, which would start with a study of our 911 folks. So, you know, Hamilton,
John Hamilton's administration was in its waning months when the report came out, so they weren't gonna
take the initiative. Mayor Thompson has indicated some interest, but is very wary of replicating what
already exists.
The police department here, as you probably know, imports more social workers. And actually the mayor
just came out with a report today about how her administration has dealt with homelessness. And there's
a section in there about non-police response where she talks about stride. So I don't know why that
connection hasn't been made between stride getting into the dispatch
But I think it also has to do with our central dispatch being disarrayed. I mean, that's kind of inside
baseball and I don't know the details, but there have been some staff, tremendous staff shortages, dispatch
and some management problems. So I think the Thompson administration has been focusing on just stabilizing
that before asking them to weigh in on
Could we route these calls to you? And I had, I did meet with Linda Drowfall from Centerstone who,
you know, overseas drive a few months ago. And I don't think they're averse to, I don't, didn't get
the feeling she would, you know, think it was a bad thing to go through dispatch, but she's also part
of a multi-stakes big,
non-profit organization that has their own procedures, their own governments. So, you know, we would
have to hash out a contract with them and say, what are they going to do? What are we going to do? How's
the interaction going to work? So there are a lot of things to think through. I just think our community
hasn't gotten to it yet. And that's, that contract would then be with Center or STEM.
In theory. In theory. And they're the multi-state, yeah. I didn't realize they were multi-state.
Oh yeah, they just added a couple more states. I wonder if they do have contracts with other states
as a template. Do you know what they're, or is there a range, even if it's not like, is it exactly like
stride and other things, or is it changing depending on the cities of the land?
It's very, I'm not a city, I'm not a city. Almost all of your research of all the different cities,
is there things that you've learned that with our current system of stride being where they're at and
where the city's at, are there like recommendations that you've learned as you've studied the different cities?
going through stride being the good thing or thinking elsewhere or like as you've worked through different
cities, seen the positives and the cons, is there any recommendations you have for our city that you
like a few foundational ones or anything? Other experts have said that it's most beneficial for the
the employees of the community responder program to be city employees. There's more stability in that.
You should get better applicants from that. The city has a well-established entity that has some credibility
in the community and has good benefits like that. But there are also communities like Pittsburgh, Allegheny
County, which is where Pittsburgh is.
Although city Pittsburgh doesn't participate, but Allegheny County has a community responder program.
And they speak very highly of the nonprofit that they have contracted with and really think that they've
done a great job in storage training. I think that it could go either way. If you're contracting, that
will see the details.
to have enough say, the city to have enough say in it. So they're not micromanaging the mental health
professionals. City administrators are not expert at that. And yet they're still adhering to the same
principles as that. So I think most could work. I mean, here we have stride. They're doing it. I think
going in a different direction would be
There was something at the bottom of that document about Stride and that they are a five county operation.
Stride served five counties. So those numbers were over five counties. Now, most of them were in Monroe
County. They have a Stride location also in Montgomery County, Columbus, Indiana. So a lot of the calls
were there too, but
So when you look at the numbers as compared with other cities, these are so low. And, you know, I, Linda
Grove Hall got a little bit defensive and saying, we can handle it, you know, because I was like, oh,
it's great. You're going to do the most marketing, but what about people? She's like, oh, we can hire more.
If they're really, if we're really going to go through central dispatch, I think the number of calls
that we would want to send their way is going to increase extra naturally. They would have to be ready
for that. And I don't, I don't know what they're asking. Do we know when they get their money? Just
thinking ahead, whether they will have funding in the long term or how that
I think they can rely on some brain. So I don't know how stable their funding is. Yeah. The coming years.
Let's try global is being held up in the state as an example for other communities as well. Yes.
So I did. I was looking through the
Addendum with the 911 report that was in the packet. One of the options implementing the social worker
and dispatch. It says that it is funded, but because of those staffing problems, do we know if that
is one of the positions that still is not filled because of those issues? Do we know that often?
Okay. It was vacant for a long time. Well, and I thought I remembered that too, but I didn't know. I
don't know. So it sounds like some kind of follow up might be good to get a pulse on that current dispatch
situation. That's something. Yeah.
Oh, I thought they had the first position filled and they were trying to find the second social worker.
Um, yeah, they, I don't know how many vacancies they had, but the specific position, I guess that Robert
was asking about is the one in the central dispatch. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they were still having problems
filling it, but I'm not sure. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know why. Because it was in dispatch and our dispatch was a little bit discombobulating
salary. But just to remind you, because I think that we indicated this before. So we do in the 2025
budget, there is $10,000.
that is supposed to go towards a study of our 911 calls and whether they could be addressed by non-police.
I've been nagging deputy mayor for months now to try to get that money spent on a contract to do that
stuff, and I still don't.
So they're looking at two different entities that do that kind of thing. And I still don't know whether
they decided on one and I'm going forward. That's not something that we as a body have much power to
try to push that. Is that where you could support that push? Yeah. I don't have this thing. You know, send
a memo or a message to the mayor's office. It came from your 2023 report. Yeah. This was the first step.
It's in the first. Yeah. You could vote to send a message to the mayor's office and inquire about it.
I second that. For the 2025 budget.
What happens to that if we don't, if it's not used, does it go, like, does that, it goes away? It's
not reallotted? Oh, shoot. The fiscal year for the 2025 budget ends when? So, I mean, the work obviously
doesn't have to be done in 2025, but contrasting the size and the purchase order. Is that something?
the, is this message or memo that we send, is that something that we can do separate from each other
and then all create a problem and like email and send or something. I know we can vote on making it
here, but what's that like? Cause we're not gonna have a meeting in December, I was just saying. The
thing that now we've got a pickle that we're not meeting in December, but this could be a good one.
We all share it with each other and then, you know, what's that? We can't deliberate. Yeah. Yeah. How
much time would it take us to divide one now? Is that a naive question? Like, is that, I mean, it could
be very simple. Yeah, right. It could be simple, right? Yeah. I'm also wondering, because as a commission,
we've coordinated and spoken up at,
city meetings, specifically the ones deciding the budget. I'm wondering, since we've sent backchannel
communications with the mayor's office and have kind of gotten those plans kicked down the road because
the Carey administration wasn't willing to look at them right now, would it be effective to show up at a
at a city council meeting to get that on record, to either speak on behalf of the commission or as private
individuals referencing the report, would that add a little heat to kind of considering that or looking
at that? It wouldn't hurt, but then you're talking to the city council, not make them do both. Yeah,
I'll show it to anybody. I'm showing you the thing tomorrow.
You can write a letter to the mayor and write a letter to the editor. The editor.
We want to do that. That's a hard decision to make. We can always send our simple thing first, and then
if we don't see a response, then if we want to follow up with it in a different way, we could. I wouldn't
be OK with that. Other thoughts? First, for any initial action, we have to meet in person if we wanted
to draft an initial letter to the mayor, and then for the next session,
No, you don't. You can write the email, send it out, have people add what they think should go on to
it or what they like or what they don't like or how they think the email should go. You can send that
around and everybody can comment on it and then write it up as an email after everybody has commented on it.
That sounds like deliberation though. I thought we could do that. We've done it before. No. Yeah,
we don't. We think that that's sort of like receiving information between members. So that should be
during our meeting officially here. That's just right now.
Or we can have maybe co-shares to draft that and send it out. Yeah, I think in the past we've done things.
We've sent out a draft for people to consider and then bring their comments to the next meeting. Rather
than the ratio, right? That's a change. That's right. I know. I'm just saying that's probably what...
Right. Yeah.
Are you writing something? I think my guy here has attempted something with the pressure on. I'm definitely
down to get something out while we're out here. Yeah, I mean, what do we have to lose? And again, this
might be a part of what I'm new to this.
Yeah, if we don't try or if we have like what do we have to ask tools by asking, right? And also that's
the suggested by the previous and then also ties in all the ones that we've, we want to see. Yeah. Yeah.
In several discussions it has come up that we, that, you know, it'll be a resource for the future too. So yeah.
Robert, do you want any book help? Okay. I can talk while they're, I cannot formulate sentences. I find
that hard too. All right. Are you ready? Yeah. Yes. Nice guy. Yeah, look up there. Pretend like I'm
looking at you. Okay. Possible note.
So we can address that if we want, but it is our... Again, it is our understanding that the 2025 budget
allotted money to perform a study of the city's 911 calls. We're hoping to get a follow-up or update
on this process in light of the end of year approaching. We would appreciate any update you could give.
Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next year? Love, you guys.
Perfect. It's great. Exes, you know, cats. Yeah. So that's my- Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas,
Happy Kwanzaa. That is awesome. Maybe we can add that with like any solution that we're thinking about
kind of stops at this having this critical data, right? To make it like- Yeah, I referenced it in 2023
or 4. Yeah, this data is critical to our work.
Yes, for our 2023 report. Yeah, for our 2023 report. We're not just writing to annoy you. I do that
every day anyway. It's my job. All right. So, yeah.
It is our understanding that the 2025 budget allotted money to perform a study of City's 9-1-1 calls.
We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in light of the end of the year approaching.
We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next year?
This study would be critical for our work related to our 2023 report, so would appreciate your assistance.
I would add that this study is critical to our work, to our mission. Gap per the 2023 study.
Gap per report. Or report, yeah. All right. I second that. You're not going to need that edit.
The only thing I have to think about is that last sentence. It would be funny to be able to move forward
to next year if the contract is not drafted by the end of the fifth year or something like that. Put
a little bit of pressure on, get it done, but also into the question of if you're not going, if you're
not planning to, but I don't know, maybe. If it's not completed by the end of the fifth full year. Yeah.
Yes, Moodle, but don't just do that for us. We were going to just finish up. All right. I mean,
those changes, shall I read it again? One more time and then we vote on it? Yeah. Can you write the
as that we
Okay, that it was also not just per the report, but also the special committee meetings that we had
with her. Yeah. Because I had, I sat in several special committee meetings that we had with her and
it was discussed in them as well. Okay, so like her 2023 report and the special committee meetings.
That we had directly with her.
Yeah, we have record. Okay. You ready? Yes. Hopefully I will trip over my own tongue here.
It is our understanding that the 2025 budget allotted money to perform a study of the city's 911 calls.
We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in white at the end of the year approaching.
We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next
year if a contract isn't completed by end of the year? This study would be critical
our mission for our 2023 report and special meetings members of our committee had with the mayor's office
so we would appreciate your assistance. The wording contract completed does that mean the contract has
like I'm not a lawyer but what does that mean the contract has to be signed or does it mean the contract
has to be fulfilled. I would say, yeah, I don't like the word completed. I would use effective or executed.
Executed. Can we suggest that the funds completed or something, right? Executed. Executed.
Like the contract being executed would mean that the contractor has done the work and that's not going
to happen, right? No. That's an enemy's sign. Oh, good. A sign. Oh, yeah. It's enforceable. Oh, you're
a lawyer? Oh, good. Sorry, lawyer. Good. I'm happier, though. Thank you. She knows some lawyers.
All right. So I have that as a draft.
I change that one word to execute it. Shall I read it one more time or are we satisfied enough to put
this to a vote? One more time. I think at one point you used the word committee, but this is a commission.
First permission. Yes. It's because it was called, because it was a special committee,
that met with her for the commission. It was called a special committee meeting that we had with her
because it was a special committee on behalf of the commission. I think I can read that. It
is our understanding that it's 2025 budget. A lot of you need to perform a study of the city's number
one calls.
We are hoping to get a follow-up or update on this process in light of the end of year approaching.
We would appreciate any update you could give. Will this funding be able to be moved forward to next
year if a contract isn't executed by end of the year? This study would be critical for our mission per
our 2023 report
and special meetings members of our commission had with the mayor's office. So we would appreciate your
assistance. Good enough. Yeah. I move that we accept this email to send to the mayor's office.
I second that. Me too. All right. While I'm writing and saving this,
Call. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. We'll start on the other side of the table and go back for us this
time. Brigitte? Yes. Tarsin? Yes. Erin? Yes. Robert? I. Kale? Yes. Cami? Yay. Jason? Yay.
It is passed unanimously. All right. Is this something that, I guess, who is sending this? Probably,
it should be coming from one of our co-chairs. Yes, that means it's me, since I'm on notes.
You can burn bridges if you're relocating anyway. What is the email? What is the email to? Mayor at
Bloomington.in. Mayor at indiana.in.
I will send that in the next day or so. Here's Dar. Excellent.
We can call the mayor's office. Okay. We might want to wait and see what response you get. Yeah. When
is the next city council meeting? Summer. Okay. So in the next day or so, I will send with my account
as a commission person to the mayor's office.
And as far as reporting back, I should be able to just forward that to everybody, but not expect responses.
And that covers, since we're not deliberating over it, that's my thought. And of course, CC,
you fine folks, just keep everything transparent and not be up and up. Sounds good.
All right. Well, I know we did not get to the old business, but in some ways, I feel like that kind
of a little bit got covered with this. Would you agree with that, Jason? Yeah, that's what I was going
to suggest. That kind of addresses that. Yeah, which means our, yeah, I think even our business is now
kind of covered with this. So,
I guess in the interest of time, since it's two minutes after, I move to adjourn this meeting.
I second it. All right. So we'll start with the remotes. Maybe. Kamie, do you? Yay. Yay. Jason? Yay.
Okay. Yay. Bridget? Yay.
Carson? Yay. Aaron? Yay. Robert says yay. Winning a juror. Thanks everybody for being here. Especially
thank you. I don't think you have to vote about the juror. We did. I'm making stuff up. We never do
it passive.
For sure.