- So, we're actually down the roll call in our new positions yet. So, we're also new to what we're doing.
- Cammy is new as a co-chair again, but most of us are still new. So, welcome, Michael. I have no idea
- what's going on. We're learning as we go. So, I just said everyone's name and then you said that you're
- here. So, Kamara.
- Yeah. Yes. Here. Um sharing is not here. Um here. And then it's the approval of the agenda. Did everyone
- still have the agenda from the last email? Take a chance to look over it. We kept it the same as the
- last meeting. Um if anybody wants to add anything, we'll
- to do so. I don't have any. Welcome. Welcome all here.
- They're turned back to roll call for that one. No, we just look at that. No, no, no, no, no.
- before we move on to reports to the agenda or change anything on the agenda? Not much to report. I think
- we've been trying to chase down some of the flop things that are happening, but a lot has happened since
- we haven't met. So yeah, a lot of things have changed and or is going through. They have been in last
- night, so I would be like anything that I would say.
- I didn't know if we wanted to do the update now or when we got to the... Yeah, I'm not sure. Probably
- best to save it for when we get to the hold-down, but that would be the big one. Does anyone else have
- anything they want to report?
- Any reports from staff? We're super understaffed right now, but hopefully they're working to try to
- hire someone in part-time in that journey spot and then get some more people on the team. Hopefully
- by the summer time, there's a little bit more support. If there's anything we can do as a whole learning
- how to keep this going. Thank you.
- I'm in public, but I don't think we have anyone up in there. Okay, old business. The first thing would
- be the LEAP study and actions that Isabel Piedmont-Smith had been working on. The last time we chatted,
- Isabel had presented to us
- all the findings that she had been working on and all the things she had been learning. She was going
- to conferences to learn about alternatives to 911 or alternatives to helping people through the 911
- services. So I think there was some documents in our thing about that work, but then also there was
- money set aside for a study into our actual 911 calls so that they could
- go through it all and figure out what steps could be taken, or how many times people are being sent
- for the wrong thing, or if there's ways to hopefully in the future use that to then funnel a different
- system into the 9-1 dispatch. You have a question? I just wanted to make sure everybody knew where we
- were at at the time.
- So that is what we have been talking about a lot with Isabella and also as a commission, helping support
- that however we can or about the engaging in public comment as a commission, creating other ways to
- communicate with the public about how this affects public safety. Isabella did email with
- that they're going to work on two deliberation sessions on September 9th and October 21st to engage
- the public on the topics of what is public safety and how can the city government best achieve public
- safety in Wellington. And she said that she would love our help on planning those and or helping her
- make those happen through the commission. So I have not responded to her on that, but I figured she
- would have been, she's our
- our advocate, our city council advocate. So something we can talk about in the next one on how we can
- help her with that after you respond and get some more details on what that looks like. Because we've
- talked about doing a public forum about the dispatch or public safety again to figure out how the public
- is feeling and then we can then digest that and present it as a commission. Yes. Were the finances to
- do that study, that loop study,
- like granting already? Is that in motion? There was a thing at the end of the year last year that was
- expiring. There was money set aside in the budget, and it was expiring, and then it was pushed through
- before the budget expired. So that money was funded, and I think it's begun, or at least it will begin
- in the next couple months maybe, and then it's supposed to start. Yeah, it's supposed to start in April.
- They have the money for it, and they can contact the people to do it. So you should start seeing some
- information and or some other direction of which way that's going. I don't know what that means, but
- I think we'll figure that out as we need. And then that gives us a direction to continue helping her.
- I'm just excited to actually see it come to fruition. We've been working on this for a long time to
- get them involved and especially with the recent incident that happened, I know somebody
- asked about the recent event and what could something different have been done and with this being done
- and Lee being involved will be able to see if maybe something different might have been able to have
- been done with the response. Which recent incident are you going to? That when the woman barricaded herself
- in her house. Yeah, there's a news story about it. She drugged her partner with some knives. He left
- the police department like sending drones through the window. And there was a pretty extensive response
- from our team to be so they could have been handled much more nicely. Is that the one that was labeled?
- Those are the words that are out there. There is a look at her arms.
- a hostage thing? I don't know. So the man had left. She was very nice, right? But it wasn't a gun. And
- he had already exited. And then the police showed up. So I don't think there were hostages involved.
- And I just remember seeing something in there that was on that weird app, the next door app, where they
- were like, there's an active hostage in there. And I was like, what? Yeah.
- I didn't find anything else on them. Yeah, she was tear gassed, I believe. I'm not sure what all the
- steps are in the response, but I often know that there are steps that have to take place in the response
- group and the crisis response team, too. Like, the crisis responder can't go into a situation where
- there are weapons involved on their own.
- So there has to be someone that's armed in certain situations that responded into the loan. So I don't
- know what the situation was in the outlook before they went in. So that is why we need to be involved
- so we can see what happened in situations like this and maybe in this situation so we can assess situations
- so we know for sure what's going on.
- and what kind of response we need in situations in the future so we know what is the best response.
- So that's why we do need to come in. Yeah, and that also, in Isabel's study, there were different cities
- that had different response teams that happened. So there were some that were through the police, others
- that were outside of the police, others that worked together, and there was lots of other
- things that are K-dolls exploring those, and that's what this study will help. I may push maybe that
- we could use a different service, or we could build in a different thing, but also we have Striving
- Town, which we talked about at extent, and I think their marketing campaign has been working a lot.
- I've seen it on social media and things, so I know that that's one of the options that is involved I've
- been looking at,
- potentially incorporated, somehow figuring out how to incorporate that into our emergency response for
- things that could be for them versus the loose. Do we have this data? It started this month, supposedly.
- Just this month? Yeah, so there's a couple months out before we can get started, so we don't have too
- much yet. I see.
- So we can't really, there's not enough to. They're in the process now of going over the data and act
- on it. They haven't done it yet. Okay. This should be included in the data. You're saying in the timetable,
- it says month, month.
- three and four analysis and stakeholder learning. I wonder if we could have an opportunity to talk with
- them at that point when they've learned some data and gathered some of the stakeholders. That's one
- of the things. Right? Yeah. Because I presume we're going to have to wait for seven months. Yeah. I
- would hope we have some input maybe. Yeah. We would also talk about bringing a dispatcher in when I
- know that they're
- understaffed and struggling to build on other dispatch roles, too. Well, yeah. But those two can be
- nice to have as we engage with the public. We could impose a letter now about the things that we would
- like to see as stakeholders. We could say that we would like to be stakeholders in the things that we
- would like to see.
- It also does say that there are champion meetings on every three weeks. Do you know, does anyone know
- if everybody knows at all? Because of the situation, no, I'm not trying to dissuade you all because
- it's not your fault, but because of the situation we're staffing, we have kind of been left out on our
- own and out on in the blue.
- I don't really know what's going on with the situation. We've kind of been forgotten in the situation.
- So, and even before that, it was, it's really hard to get through to the mayor's office. Is Isabel,
- would that be our appropriate channel we're asked to get? We can definitely try. Yeah, because that
- was, I had all of the shenanigans.
- We can respond to that as a perspective. Where can we jump in? How can we become stakeholders in the
- process of who it goes? Another thing to consider on an organization is stride. I don't know if they
- should be in on this. Originally, we
- were the stakeholders that thought out people and then the mayor's office took over of course and like
- we were invited to the table and then we got this email and then there was a readjustment in the way
- that things are done with like how we're doing staffing and things like that. The communications that
- aren't very good now
- And so I have to catch up. So imagine Stride will be a part of it. I'm sure Stride is. I imagine they're
- somewhere in there, but maybe that's our last. Because they are an alternative to 911 calls. It's already
- there. Well, not someone that is well-pitched as well to us already, as the one that they're going to
- hopefully consider as a model and or the organization that they can go for.
- Once that's decided, they're in the process of the 9-1-1 breakdown first before moving forward, if that
- makes sense. OK, it just seems like it should be mentioned in the report. OK. They're probably a little
- bit. OK. But they also are saying they haven't done the analysis yet, so they can't say that and try
- to start an agency yet, because they haven't done their analysis yet.
- So they're looking at the agencies and organizations that are available. So they can't come at the beginning
- if they, STRIDE is the agency that's gonna be the one that is doing it if they haven't had the chance
- to look at everything we get and evaluate them. Yeah, because the studies of our 911 calls, not of the
- STRIDE calls, STRIDE would be the after, how we can incorporate
- their services into our 911 versus having to set up phone numbers and or building them. So, I imagine
- they're definitely going to be a part of the information in the end and or like a section of information
- because they take calls, but they're not like we're studying our dispatch and what percentage of our
- dispatch would be better for an alternative, which would be strident and or a city
- creative contracting or a contracted thing. Okay. I'm so sorry. Would it make sense to assign one of
- us to be a point person to engage about this? I don't know. How we have to operate is kind of interesting.
- We can't really have our communications
- You can have like emails with Isabelle on your own and like, but also when there's like we respond to
- this email with a whole senate, we'd have to do it together during this meeting. Does that make sense
- to me? From what I understand, right? There's like some weird quorum, open door stuff that starts to
- get confusing. I noticed for the issue at the beginning of the year was sending the letter to the mayor.
- The mayor, yeah.
- It was that a person can't operate independently. It's like an arm of CAPS. We can't send non-series
- times. I can't speak for CAPS. It's like we could reach out as a non-CAPS member while we're not in
- CAPS meetings. But we can't represent CAPS, I think. Yeah, unless it's been approved by all of us during
- a meeting and it's been
- open door. Visible. So it's a little tricky. But I think if we plan out what we want to set now. I've
- been talking to her about this because I, along with the person's name, made sure it started this project.
- And so that's how it has been working. And so she has
- like we helped her find organizations to research originally. And so when she has gotten information,
- she passed it our way. So that's why we were able to pass the information on to you and that you're
- getting right now. So I mean, you know,
- It's just, there's, I don't want to say there's politics involved in what we have. There's... We're
- navigating it while also participating in events. Maybe we do want to respond to those, you know, as
- a group today, just as like, we're down to help all over. That's why I was saying that we can,
- write an email and say that we would like to be stakeholders, and we can say the things that we'd like
- to be as stakeholders. I'll work on the technical class thing. So we would get the information as soon
- as possible. Or while we're talking. I can't say that we would get it as soon as possible because things
- don't move on our line.
- It would be as soon as the person that had the information felt like they deserved it. Or at least I
- imagine they're not going to want to always put stuff out before it's actually like all set up so they're
- like okay we understand our data
- Now we can share with people. So I imagine they probably get it at the same time as a lot of people,
- but. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, we probably couldn't use it until it's cleaned up. Oh,
- yeah. It would just probably look like a labyrinth to us. It's like they do their job of making it accessible
- visually and data-wise.
- I imagine it will come to us or if we ask. Oh, once we're approved, like if it's approved that we're
- a stakeholder, then once we're allowed to communicate, then we will give the information. Once it's
- approved, then. Okay, quick email.
- So hello, Isabelle. Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage
- the public and help however moving forward with their sessions. We are also interested in the lead data
- as it becomes available to those working on it, if possible, to help guide our sessions in support of
- the research. Simple. Do you have a specific request to be considered stakeholders? I think we should
- do that. Okay. So do you know if there'll be, I'm not sure if it's going to be
- Can we become pretty to the meetings at everything in the waxing or.
- I mean, I'm not sure if we can get in one of my grades. Yeah, and consider us a stakeholder.
- We would like to consider stakeholders as a commission and if we could be included in the updated meetings.
- I'm glad to be here. Okay.
- Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage the public however
- we can moving forward with these deliberation sessions. We are also interested in the data as it becomes
- available to those working on it if it is possible to on it if it is possible to guide our sessions
- in support of the research.
- We would like to consider it stakeholders as commission and also attend or access the updated update
- meetings throughout the process. Please fast forward any other ways we can support this.
- Thank you for putting it together. Who is this lead group? What do we know about law enforcement officers?
- I think it's a good question. Who's actually gathering the data? Is it a private group? It's a contracted group.
- that you all wanted, right? Yeah. So they were the group that the CAP commissioned the research on and
- the left wing. That's good. There's research on them in our documents and the drives and stuff that
- we presented on. I see. That's the best company.
- Yeah. But they worked at it. Yeah. We did research and we presented a presentation on everything. So
- they stepped in the job and they'd be awesome. Okay. We have a drive. And we should have been given
- access to it, but also that was a task. Yeah. They're strong and stepped in on it.
- Hopefully, we'll see how we can be helpful. I still think having a dispatch person would be cool to
- come speak with, but we'll figure out when that puts into the process, I guess, because we'll just wait.
- I have a dispatch person. I'm not sure what would stop an individual. I'm a dispatch person. Is that
- something that we want? I don't see what would stop. It's okay if I ask. I think it's a good idea. Why?
- Why do we want it? What have we been looking for out of that conversation? Insight to their working.
- Because I know that
- The problem, one of the requests of this whole process has been to have dispatch who are also trained,
- who are not police trained, they're, what's the other word, social workers, or in the social field versus
- the carceral field. So I know that was the goal of getting two social workers and two dispatch. I don't
- think they've successfully gotten both of them in there yet.
- that was part of their like previous plan with the leap and all the other things that had been built
- by the commission or advisory commission but also is developing working on uh in this in this like subject
- field but i don't know were those positions approved and just being filled they they have social work
- is working they have i know they hired one doing one i thought i heard the last time but that was
- five months ago and everything. I don't know if they had a field, but I'm very... Because they're still...
- Every time I talk to someone about it, they're still very stressed out about the quality of, or like,
- keeping people in that position because it is... Very stressful job. Yes. And they haven't figured out
- how to pay, or like, the quality of the person's job is what they're having trouble, struggling with,
- I guess, is what I understood.
- But we could ask those questions. Let's see how anybody supported some. Do you want to try to do that
- at the next meeting and or whenever they're available within a couple meetings? Yeah. If we were to
- ask someone to come to a meeting, how would we care about that? Would you all facilitate that for us
- or would we be reaching out? We can. I believe we can ask.
- So, we don't have access to that drive. So, that was sent to some party. We might have to figure that
- out. I think, I mean, I can ask. Who's the manager is Councilor Bloomington Dye. That makes sense.
- We're looking at our own accounts, not the council account. So that was super. Thank you. Originally,
- they had it where we could read it. And then they changed it.
- more questions or things, but. It's just whatever they can give us. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. Isabel's
- very fast to respond in there. I feel like we're very in there, in the now, in the processes of everything.
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- So the council members, at that point, the council members had introduced a resolution. It was like
- 2026-4, a resolution establishing immediate transparency limits and a public review process for automated
- license, create reader technology and bring it in. And then one of the deadlines in there was for the
- mayor and the first chief to provide a full report
- transparency. And that was yesterday. So that happens yesterday. I can give the updated report. The
- contract was not renewed. With the licensed faith leader providers? Well, the contract was not renewed
- from months ago.
- No, they just made this call yesterday, but I think the contract was already up, and now they're letting
- us know that they're not renewing it. Yeah, they're not renewing the contract. They expired like two
- months ago. Yeah, but they're still active. They still have to base it out, and like that would be going
- on through like swing break, and not swing break through a little while. Yeah, because they're going
- to keep using
- then for the safety of the little 500. But there are certain things that they won't check for. Yeah.
- And. They put limitations. Yeah, they put limitations on what they'll check for. And then they won't
- buy any more locked cameras and
- that they won't make any inquiries that have to do with reproductive health immigration status, gender
- identity, sexual orientation, or directly through property innovators. Have they been doing that? I...
- So Block is a company that people have used their data for those things across the board. There's not been
- transparency of that company specifically on how they were, who they would sell us through and how it
- is being accessed. So that's where they have never, they're like, we're secure. You can choose how secure
- you are. You can choose what's done. You can put limitations on things. And yet most, most independent
- auditors and or tech people who have been following the company and the case can hack it.
- And moment like once the data exists. Yeah, the data does anyone access or which is where the problem
- without the main thing with Flock as a company with that they weren't secure and they were unwilling
- to prove that to their consumers. And then they were being used by ice. Okay, yeah. To target specific
- populations of interacts with people which
- bringing along, you know, faster than one-on-one. Is this why the city hits with a pump or does it mean
- that an earthquake? So the city, we were, for the last few months, there was a lot of conversations,
- both the resolution and also the protest and there are many communities, basically, where the mayor
- spoke on it without saying one or the other, like they want to continue to use something because
- She does believe public safety is involved in those, but also was like, I understand civil liberties
- are also at risk for me. So they're doing a bit of this. And from the thing last night, I feel like
- a lot of people left somewhat more confused on how we plan on phasing them out. But it's very written
- out, but also,
- They're still on, and when they're still on, that data is still being taken. I suppose that data is
- just for us now, but that's the main thing that researchers are coming up against is that it's just
- not secure. But also, they just changed their terms and conditions allowing private companies to buy
- that information from them, that they would sell information to private firms for purchase. So they're
- back from that. So that's still cool.
- That's not possible. I think that's their own policy. But then I think the city wants to continue to
- have something of sorts. But I think there's also a lot of misunderstanding of the thing that they have
- purchased. So I think that's the next step.
- I think public opinion work is that they're going to, and also the council's resolution does include
- when they spoke, the point of the resolution was to get transparency on this and then also to encourage
- that we have legislation to then control how surveillance is utilized in the community. So hopefully
- the councils work on that. And then because when they presented it,
- Again, a nice thing to hear because, well, they want to create long-term legislation that stops us from
- ever getting into debt with a company that would sell it and then be apt for us even when our city doesn't
- want that to be done. It would be interesting to collect information on, so I'm assuming when
- the municipality engaged with FLOC that there was an RFP or RFI
- that defined the requirements or interests that we had as Bloomington for this service that then Flock
- responded to and then we came up with a contract, right? It's pretty standard. Would we be able to get
- access to what the RFP or RFI was? What is the city of Bloomington? Why didn't we go to Flock in the
- first place? What were we looking to accomplish? Sure. I would imagine it was what they were in. Sure,
- but I imagine there's
- there had to be bullet points. But a specific direct. Yeah. Another contract has been made public because
- you can, it was redacted pretty heavily from when it was denied multiple times across public requests,
- which was another alarm for all people been at nine. So, you know,
- and then it was released and there was redactions. I don't know what an RFI or anything is, but I imagine
- you could look that up and you would understand better. Yeah. From the city's perspective, is it possible
- to access those procurement documents or that contract how that began? It just seems like our commission
- focused on public safety. It would be
- Interesting for us to know what it was the city was asking about relating to public safety and why we
- went with flop in the first place. You can get it. Yeah, if it's available. Yeah, and I think you can
- make those requests as well too. Yeah, as a person of the public. Yeah, awesome. Right. I mentioned
- that this group can do it a lot better than I can. Nice.
- Is anyone aware of other companies that do this that have more integrity, more security? I don't know,
- none. Or maybe take the data differently, maybe? It's weird to want data when it's like, you want the
- license plate for when a crime is committed, and then you can check in on it, but then you're like collecting data.
- people do, but I don't know of any companies that are ethical or have more integrity in the surveillance
- world. I imagine there are many, but also it's like closed-circuit things exist. I'm not a tech person,
- so. We could look into it for our next meeting, and that would be like a reporter, just like, if anyone
- has any ideas what they look into. I guess we could look into them, but
- The lead means maybe they're going to find out. And I think if they're going to choose something, hopefully,
- then a lot we can advise them. That would be great. If we could see that original document that you're
- talking about before the next meeting, that's a very likely opportunity. Yeah, because it depends on
- what they're looking for. If they're saying, if they're specifically saying, well, we want to be able
- to track license plates from crime baby. OK, right.
- Is it? No, we want to. We want to be able to follow up, but depending on what we're asking for, there
- might be other solutions besides full time 24 7 remote surveillance that's clock based. There is an
- article that said the things that they searched for because they even said that are the officers that
- searched and when the hours they searched and everything, it was that detailed so.
- If they can get that specific and say, like, if the officers are searching when they search for the
- thing, then, I mean, that has to be what they were looking for. Yeah. Is the use of this system or how
- it was used public knowledge? I mean, it was in an article that I was able to read online. I don't know
- if the... They have the resolution. They have a resolution on also the memo. Yeah. The flop memo that came out.
- I've been trying to read through it a little bit, and there's like a little portion about a little bit
- about why they chose Flock, but then mainly the next steps. I think Flock was just presenting. They
- went on a rapid, as a company, they were like,
- We want to provide this everyone. So they went to the each municipality. It's practically a lot. This
- is very fast. So I don't think a lot of people did or capable of doing tech due diligence because it's
- such a new field. So that's where I think the reverse creating legislation around it is very, very secure
- and comfortable to me. Does anyone know why
- the committee has sustainability, our commission has sustainability included those? I don't know for
- anything, yeah. I think there's just about, like, they included for public safety, but I don't remember
- random they have that commission on sustainability is to promote and advance stable policies and they
- were gonna speak UN
- development goals. I was lost. I was, I was at the meeting and I think there's just one to take action.
- And that's where it's like, at least the commission did. But that's what I was trying to back. We were
- going to co-sign with them before to sort of help them with gathering. But there was, we could get to
- meet up and talk about it. I don't know if they even spoke with a member of the public and read a statement
- from a bunch of people.
- But it was nice to see a group of people concerned about it, because also it went through hand. There
- was another commission that approved the block cameras originally through the report of police. It didn't
- go through city council. It didn't go through, because it wasn't required to. It just seems like, I
- don't know, it has to do with sustainability. Sustainability is keeping
- I think sustainability is loose enough. If you want people to work here, that's great. I think there's
- plenty of ways to say it's sustainable. They have pillars, sustainability encompasses equity, justice,
- democratic. It's pretty broad. I was trying to read through it.
- That's what it looks like. I could see how that could happen, but this doesn't affect the environment.
- I mean, they use AI, so yeah, it does. Block uses AI. But they use it not in a way that's been flushed
- out of it. So they're jumping in on it. It's falsely created profiles through AI for people to go and
- hold over when it's not when.
- Is that because of electricity years? And the data centers. Data centers. I mean, AI is harmful in a
- lot of ways. Sustainable is. It's a step. It's not a step. It's a step. Living is currently building
- another one. Clear water is going to be drawn from Indianapolis. Sustainability is involved in a lot
- of it. But also sustainability, I think, includes water sustainability as well.
- R3DR are well-being. But it's all ample or at least in the right direction. So I think spinning down,
- paying attention to how we move forward with it is an important program. I think also as a commission,
- I mean, I think you guys make a promise that maybe we'll find other options that they're going to be
- able to work with.
- They owe PRs. If there are other ones to present. I think naturally, if the commission on sustainability
- is able to provide something, then I feel like we should need more ground to do it similar to that.
- Hopefully we'll do it, but with the LEED stuff and get some more arranged LEED stuff and get some more
- information on that. I can attempt to get more information on other things.
- Yeah. Even individually, I can look into some of the money. Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about
- about that? Yeah.
- We put in here a plan for work group sessions. I don't know if we have a need for one right now, and
- or the capacity with staffing. And maybe once we have more on our next meeting, if we can all come up
- with the reports on things that we have questions about and kind of bring more things to the table to
- work on within the lead things, then we'll have potential for needing a work session on stuff.
- I feel like we should vote on something while we have corn. Well, we wrote an email. And yeah, if we
- can get whatever the RFI was that we used to engage with, I can certainly review that. I work in IT
- and tech. I've had a lot of spreads lately. So we're talking words. I don't know what any of that is.
- A request for proposal or request for information is a formal way to ask a company to bid to put together,
- like, hey, here are 20 things that we want. Can you respond to those and say, this is how much we can
- cost schedule scope resources to deploy the kind of stuff? Any topics for future agendas? Are still
- working on?
- Well, I want to come back to what you brought up about the case of what seemed like an excessive response
- by the police department. They went through the approval process, and the police chief put out a statement
- talking about what had happened step by step. It still seemed awfully excessive.
- The police do call in and get special requests for use of force like that. Is there a follow-on review
- process to identify if it was done properly and if it was acceptable that they responded and if they
- did? Do we know that? I don't know. We should find that out. Yeah. I agree. But moreover,
- The fact that the police went there shows us that they're still responding to domestic violence.
- For sure. And I kind of thought that that wasn't supposed to be happening anymore. Or they're supposed
- to be moving away from them. Probably to have anyone else to send.
- Yeah, I guess I think if you call 911 and say, my wife almost stabbed me, it's probably going to be
- the place to show up. I think until there's actual steps and alternatives or different kind of workers
- hired into the system, I don't know. Would they still like to think if they were forced after that to
- go with that person,
- in the future, meaning without. It was the term that was on the research that Isabel did, where it was
- like, there's without, with, and as a backup kind of thing, there was like different versions of response
- that someone had to involve the police, but then there was ways to navigate and approach some. Yeah.
- It would be interesting to learn about. Hopefully. The drone sounds odd, but thinking from a police,
- I don't know. It's better than them shooting down the door and going in, right? I think so.
- So a search warrant was secured for the residence in a critical incident response state. CIRT responded
- to the scene to take the woman into custody. A remotely piloted aerial vehicle was sent into residence
- to locate. Once located in her living room, she struck the REV down, knocking it out of the air. She
- then grabbed the RPV and threw it against the wall, crushing it, causing significant damage to the device.
- It was later taken into custody by members of the CIRT at approximately 1030 P. If I'm having a really
- city day, if you send them being blind in, I'm going to respond in a positive manner. Right. It's a
- fascinating thing that you send them in this drone that is
- Aggressive. Yeah, nice that you have this aggressive boy coming in at me, but I don't speak. I don't
- know how that really feels for me. That's the key word is toy. Well, every one month on your toy, that's
- where it should be from. She is going to be charged the thousands of dollars for the destruction of
- police property. Yeah. What was the drug supposed to do?
- to give eyes to the police what's going on inside the foreman without risking themselves. When it's
- something like that, the individual is going to have, like, you're underutilized nowadays for practically
- anything, right? Like, you're ordered with all sorts of payloads. Yeah, I mean, there's not, like, a
- piece of paper saying... Also, this woman was having a psychotic...
- You're gonna send some alien-looking thing flying into the roof? How is that helpful? And it probably
- broke the window. I'm sure. I don't know how it got in. I mean, it must have. I doubt she ever left
- the door open, so it must have. They break the window, like these flimsy things. They can be hardened
- in ways to make them, to militarize versions of them or not. As flimsy as the ones that...
- So yeah, it's just a fascinating case. It seems like this is a group that would like to know more about
- it. Yeah. Yeah. Like how are these decisions made? Like what are the parameters that make that, how
- they make the call? Are we going to send a girl? Is this a good situation for sending a girl?
- like parameters when they're in a situation with that extent beyond the general information gather they're
- going to do about 911 calls or that because it's tangential to the call. Yeah, I don't know if we have
- to deploy the information of the critical response. I don't know.
- Because I think it could be. Do you have any reasons on that? What does the crisis, what does the crisis
- negotiation team do? Well, how do they escalate? How do they get involved with the critical incident
- response team, CIRT? What does that chain come in? Is there approvals required? Do things like sending
- the drone in? Like, I think there's a lot of information on the website that we've kind of
- that stuff where they like have to because of public information stuff. So, I think if you dig in there
- as an IT person, when we're looking at it, it looks overwhelming to me that maybe some of that stuff
- is in the police services, public reports, and things that are on the city website. Yeah, they're meant
- to also be arduous to look at. Yeah. The lawyer used to be like, oh, watch, I can do this and I can
- make them digestible but
- So you might be able to adjust it better. So maybe that's something that you could. Yeah, for sure.
- You could check in on and see what information you can gather and then report on. Yeah, that's fine.
- We understand more about it than we can understand and how we can inform and or advise as a permission.
- Especially if you consider a separate process, then 9-1-1 procedure only, I mean, it ends up knowing
- even if the situation is ongoing,
- Because, I mean, the situation that happened, it must have started with a 911 call, but then at this
- point, it transitioned when they got a warrant or whatever. So it's not completely the same thing as
- the week. I think it can be great to work into a warrant. Yeah, for sure. I can certainly bring a report,
- maybe even a PowerPoint presentation. I'll make it easy, yes.
- Okay. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps.
- Steps. Steps.
- to see what people who are, because I think if people are researching are off about this stuff right
- now because of how far it can harm people. So I think there's gotta be some stuff we can look into and
- present. Eventually those three items for the next time, which is impressive. Which our next meeting
- is, what calendar? I don't have one.
- One, two, yeah, the 21st. The 21st? Yeah. And then if anybody else, people, I've been trying to get
- people on with us. So I know there's still a couple vacancies. So if you've got people you think would
- be good to have in the room and are interested, let's try to get them in here. Okay. Because the more
- the better. Yeah. More hands and then we actually can start to section things off and figure some things out.
- Sorry, maybe we can get maybe not to have subcommits. Yeah, 21st. Cool. Is everybody good for that one?
- More with each other? 21st is good. I think I'll have to be virtual a lot of the time. Try to get them
- remembering, but won't still be following us. That's 21st of May. Yes. Post-graduation, post-policy,
- what steps get taken after graduation from fall and stuff. The uh the common council has that been released
- that that's recorded right yes i've been
- another. Okay, so I guess we can. How do we do that? I motion that we adjourn the meeting. I second it.