WEBVTT 00:00:01.122 --> 00:00:10.535 - So, we're actually down the roll call in our new positions yet. So, we're also new to what we're doing. 00:00:10.535 --> 00:00:19.676 - Cammy is new as a co-chair again, but most of us are still new. So, welcome, Michael. I have no idea 00:00:19.676 --> 00:00:29.089 - what's going on. We're learning as we go. So, I just said everyone's name and then you said that you're 00:00:29.089 --> 00:00:30.718 - here. So, Kamara. 00:00:31.426 --> 00:00:43.331 - Yeah. Yes. Here. Um sharing is not here. Um here. And then it's the approval of the agenda. Did everyone 00:00:43.331 --> 00:00:54.783 - still have the agenda from the last email? Take a chance to look over it. We kept it the same as the 00:00:54.783 --> 00:01:01.246 - last meeting. Um if anybody wants to add anything, we'll 00:01:02.850 --> 00:01:31.934 - to do so. I don't have any. Welcome. Welcome all here. 00:01:33.634 --> 00:01:59.070 - They're turned back to roll call for that one. No, we just look at that. No, no, no, no, no. 00:02:03.874 --> 00:02:12.241 - before we move on to reports to the agenda or change anything on the agenda? Not much to report. I think 00:02:12.241 --> 00:02:20.607 - we've been trying to chase down some of the flop things that are happening, but a lot has happened since 00:02:20.607 --> 00:02:28.735 - we haven't met. So yeah, a lot of things have changed and or is going through. They have been in last 00:02:28.735 --> 00:02:32.958 - night, so I would be like anything that I would say. 00:02:33.698 --> 00:02:44.433 - I didn't know if we wanted to do the update now or when we got to the... Yeah, I'm not sure. Probably 00:02:44.433 --> 00:02:55.273 - best to save it for when we get to the hold-down, but that would be the big one. Does anyone else have 00:02:55.273 --> 00:02:58.430 - anything they want to report? 00:03:03.298 --> 00:03:11.890 - Any reports from staff? We're super understaffed right now, but hopefully they're working to try to 00:03:11.890 --> 00:03:20.482 - hire someone in part-time in that journey spot and then get some more people on the team. Hopefully 00:03:20.482 --> 00:03:29.503 - by the summer time, there's a little bit more support. If there's anything we can do as a whole learning 00:03:29.503 --> 00:03:32.510 - how to keep this going. Thank you. 00:03:34.466 --> 00:03:46.634 - I'm in public, but I don't think we have anyone up in there. Okay, old business. The first thing would 00:03:46.634 --> 00:03:58.920 - be the LEAP study and actions that Isabel Piedmont-Smith had been working on. The last time we chatted, 00:03:58.920 --> 00:04:02.110 - Isabel had presented to us 00:04:02.754 --> 00:04:10.447 - all the findings that she had been working on and all the things she had been learning. She was going 00:04:10.447 --> 00:04:17.990 - to conferences to learn about alternatives to 911 or alternatives to helping people through the 911 00:04:17.990 --> 00:04:25.532 - services. So I think there was some documents in our thing about that work, but then also there was 00:04:25.532 --> 00:04:31.038 - money set aside for a study into our actual 911 calls so that they could 00:04:32.034 --> 00:04:40.769 - go through it all and figure out what steps could be taken, or how many times people are being sent 00:04:40.769 --> 00:04:49.766 - for the wrong thing, or if there's ways to hopefully in the future use that to then funnel a different 00:04:49.766 --> 00:04:58.676 - system into the 9-1 dispatch. You have a question? I just wanted to make sure everybody knew where we 00:04:58.676 --> 00:05:00.510 - were at at the time. 00:05:02.178 --> 00:05:11.288 - So that is what we have been talking about a lot with Isabella and also as a commission, helping support 00:05:11.288 --> 00:05:19.965 - that however we can or about the engaging in public comment as a commission, creating other ways to 00:05:19.965 --> 00:05:27.774 - communicate with the public about how this affects public safety. Isabella did email with 00:05:29.762 --> 00:05:36.526 - that they're going to work on two deliberation sessions on September 9th and October 21st to engage 00:05:36.526 --> 00:05:43.425 - the public on the topics of what is public safety and how can the city government best achieve public 00:05:43.425 --> 00:05:50.256 - safety in Wellington. And she said that she would love our help on planning those and or helping her 00:05:50.256 --> 00:05:57.020 - make those happen through the commission. So I have not responded to her on that, but I figured she 00:05:57.020 --> 00:05:58.846 - would have been, she's our 00:05:59.938 --> 00:06:06.819 - our advocate, our city council advocate. So something we can talk about in the next one on how we can 00:06:06.819 --> 00:06:13.699 - help her with that after you respond and get some more details on what that looks like. Because we've 00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:20.783 - talked about doing a public forum about the dispatch or public safety again to figure out how the public 00:06:20.783 --> 00:06:27.663 - is feeling and then we can then digest that and present it as a commission. Yes. Were the finances to 00:06:27.663 --> 00:06:29.822 - do that study, that loop study, 00:06:30.018 --> 00:06:36.371 - like granting already? Is that in motion? There was a thing at the end of the year last year that was 00:06:36.371 --> 00:06:42.787 - expiring. There was money set aside in the budget, and it was expiring, and then it was pushed through 00:06:42.787 --> 00:06:49.202 - before the budget expired. So that money was funded, and I think it's begun, or at least it will begin 00:06:49.202 --> 00:06:55.742 - in the next couple months maybe, and then it's supposed to start. Yeah, it's supposed to start in April. 00:06:56.162 --> 00:07:06.070 - They have the money for it, and they can contact the people to do it. So you should start seeing some 00:07:06.070 --> 00:07:15.882 - information and or some other direction of which way that's going. I don't know what that means, but 00:07:15.882 --> 00:07:25.790 - I think we'll figure that out as we need. And then that gives us a direction to continue helping her. 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:41.235 - I'm just excited to actually see it come to fruition. We've been working on this for a long time to 00:07:41.235 --> 00:07:54.750 - get them involved and especially with the recent incident that happened, I know somebody 00:07:55.042 --> 00:08:04.663 - asked about the recent event and what could something different have been done and with this being done 00:08:04.663 --> 00:08:14.007 - and Lee being involved will be able to see if maybe something different might have been able to have 00:08:14.007 --> 00:08:23.998 - been done with the response. Which recent incident are you going to? That when the woman barricaded herself 00:08:24.226 --> 00:08:31.792 - in her house. Yeah, there's a news story about it. She drugged her partner with some knives. He left 00:08:31.792 --> 00:08:39.583 - the police department like sending drones through the window. And there was a pretty extensive response 00:08:39.583 --> 00:08:47.373 - from our team to be so they could have been handled much more nicely. Is that the one that was labeled? 00:08:47.373 --> 00:08:52.542 - Those are the words that are out there. There is a look at her arms. 00:08:53.218 --> 00:09:00.721 - a hostage thing? I don't know. So the man had left. She was very nice, right? But it wasn't a gun. And 00:09:00.721 --> 00:09:08.079 - he had already exited. And then the police showed up. So I don't think there were hostages involved. 00:09:08.079 --> 00:09:15.655 - And I just remember seeing something in there that was on that weird app, the next door app, where they 00:09:15.655 --> 00:09:21.118 - were like, there's an active hostage in there. And I was like, what? Yeah. 00:09:22.594 --> 00:09:30.966 - I didn't find anything else on them. Yeah, she was tear gassed, I believe. I'm not sure what all the 00:09:30.966 --> 00:09:39.670 - steps are in the response, but I often know that there are steps that have to take place in the response 00:09:39.670 --> 00:09:47.959 - group and the crisis response team, too. Like, the crisis responder can't go into a situation where 00:09:47.959 --> 00:09:51.358 - there are weapons involved on their own. 00:09:51.586 --> 00:09:59.759 - So there has to be someone that's armed in certain situations that responded into the loan. So I don't 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:07.852 - know what the situation was in the outlook before they went in. So that is why we need to be involved 00:10:07.852 --> 00:10:16.422 - so we can see what happened in situations like this and maybe in this situation so we can assess situations 00:10:16.422 --> 00:10:19.358 - so we know for sure what's going on. 00:10:19.522 --> 00:10:26.665 - and what kind of response we need in situations in the future so we know what is the best response. 00:10:26.665 --> 00:10:34.165 - So that's why we do need to come in. Yeah, and that also, in Isabel's study, there were different cities 00:10:34.165 --> 00:10:41.665 - that had different response teams that happened. So there were some that were through the police, others 00:10:41.665 --> 00:10:48.094 - that were outside of the police, others that worked together, and there was lots of other 00:10:48.354 --> 00:10:54.710 - things that are K-dolls exploring those, and that's what this study will help. I may push maybe that 00:10:54.710 --> 00:11:01.003 - we could use a different service, or we could build in a different thing, but also we have Striving 00:11:01.003 --> 00:11:07.296 - Town, which we talked about at extent, and I think their marketing campaign has been working a lot. 00:11:07.296 --> 00:11:13.840 - I've seen it on social media and things, so I know that that's one of the options that is involved I've 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:14.910 - been looking at, 00:11:15.330 --> 00:11:24.521 - potentially incorporated, somehow figuring out how to incorporate that into our emergency response for 00:11:24.521 --> 00:11:33.891 - things that could be for them versus the loose. Do we have this data? It started this month, supposedly. 00:11:33.891 --> 00:11:42.993 - Just this month? Yeah, so there's a couple months out before we can get started, so we don't have too 00:11:42.993 --> 00:11:44.510 - much yet. I see. 00:11:44.898 --> 00:11:54.536 - So we can't really, there's not enough to. They're in the process now of going over the data and act 00:11:54.536 --> 00:12:04.843 - on it. They haven't done it yet. Okay. This should be included in the data. You're saying in the timetable, 00:12:04.843 --> 00:12:06.942 - it says month, month. 00:12:07.298 --> 00:12:14.647 - three and four analysis and stakeholder learning. I wonder if we could have an opportunity to talk with 00:12:14.647 --> 00:12:21.713 - them at that point when they've learned some data and gathered some of the stakeholders. That's one 00:12:21.713 --> 00:12:28.780 - of the things. Right? Yeah. Because I presume we're going to have to wait for seven months. Yeah. I 00:12:28.780 --> 00:12:35.846 - would hope we have some input maybe. Yeah. We would also talk about bringing a dispatcher in when I 00:12:35.846 --> 00:12:37.118 - know that they're 00:12:37.890 --> 00:12:46.570 - understaffed and struggling to build on other dispatch roles, too. Well, yeah. But those two can be 00:12:46.570 --> 00:12:55.511 - nice to have as we engage with the public. We could impose a letter now about the things that we would 00:12:55.511 --> 00:13:04.365 - like to see as stakeholders. We could say that we would like to be stakeholders in the things that we 00:13:04.365 --> 00:13:06.014 - would like to see. 00:13:06.786 --> 00:13:15.646 - It also does say that there are champion meetings on every three weeks. Do you know, does anyone know 00:13:15.646 --> 00:13:24.331 - if everybody knows at all? Because of the situation, no, I'm not trying to dissuade you all because 00:13:24.331 --> 00:13:33.278 - it's not your fault, but because of the situation we're staffing, we have kind of been left out on our 00:13:33.278 --> 00:13:35.710 - own and out on in the blue. 00:13:35.906 --> 00:13:44.944 - I don't really know what's going on with the situation. We've kind of been forgotten in the situation. 00:13:44.944 --> 00:13:53.720 - So, and even before that, it was, it's really hard to get through to the mayor's office. Is Isabel, 00:13:53.720 --> 00:14:02.495 - would that be our appropriate channel we're asked to get? We can definitely try. Yeah, because that 00:14:02.495 --> 00:14:05.566 - was, I had all of the shenanigans. 00:14:05.922 --> 00:14:18.443 - We can respond to that as a perspective. Where can we jump in? How can we become stakeholders in the 00:14:18.443 --> 00:14:30.963 - process of who it goes? Another thing to consider on an organization is stride. I don't know if they 00:14:30.963 --> 00:14:35.550 - should be in on this. Originally, we 00:14:35.682 --> 00:14:44.934 - were the stakeholders that thought out people and then the mayor's office took over of course and like 00:14:44.934 --> 00:14:54.006 - we were invited to the table and then we got this email and then there was a readjustment in the way 00:14:54.006 --> 00:15:03.168 - that things are done with like how we're doing staffing and things like that. The communications that 00:15:03.168 --> 00:15:05.054 - aren't very good now 00:15:06.530 --> 00:15:14.493 - And so I have to catch up. So imagine Stride will be a part of it. I'm sure Stride is. I imagine they're 00:15:14.493 --> 00:15:22.531 - somewhere in there, but maybe that's our last. Because they are an alternative to 911 calls. It's already 00:15:22.531 --> 00:15:30.267 - there. Well, not someone that is well-pitched as well to us already, as the one that they're going to 00:15:30.267 --> 00:15:36.030 - hopefully consider as a model and or the organization that they can go for. 00:15:36.450 --> 00:15:44.668 - Once that's decided, they're in the process of the 9-1-1 breakdown first before moving forward, if that 00:15:44.668 --> 00:15:52.886 - makes sense. OK, it just seems like it should be mentioned in the report. OK. They're probably a little 00:15:52.886 --> 00:16:00.867 - bit. OK. But they also are saying they haven't done the analysis yet, so they can't say that and try 00:16:00.867 --> 00:16:06.398 - to start an agency yet, because they haven't done their analysis yet. 00:16:07.266 --> 00:16:15.274 - So they're looking at the agencies and organizations that are available. So they can't come at the beginning 00:16:15.274 --> 00:16:22.768 - if they, STRIDE is the agency that's gonna be the one that is doing it if they haven't had the chance 00:16:22.768 --> 00:16:30.336 - to look at everything we get and evaluate them. Yeah, because the studies of our 911 calls, not of the 00:16:30.336 --> 00:16:35.038 - STRIDE calls, STRIDE would be the after, how we can incorporate 00:16:35.266 --> 00:16:43.020 - their services into our 911 versus having to set up phone numbers and or building them. So, I imagine 00:16:43.020 --> 00:16:51.002 - they're definitely going to be a part of the information in the end and or like a section of information 00:16:51.002 --> 00:16:58.680 - because they take calls, but they're not like we're studying our dispatch and what percentage of our 00:16:58.680 --> 00:17:04.990 - dispatch would be better for an alternative, which would be strident and or a city 00:17:05.858 --> 00:17:17.716 - creative contracting or a contracted thing. Okay. I'm so sorry. Would it make sense to assign one of 00:17:17.716 --> 00:17:30.278 - us to be a point person to engage about this? I don't know. How we have to operate is kind of interesting. 00:17:30.278 --> 00:17:34.974 - We can't really have our communications 00:17:36.034 --> 00:17:43.027 - You can have like emails with Isabelle on your own and like, but also when there's like we respond to 00:17:43.027 --> 00:17:50.021 - this email with a whole senate, we'd have to do it together during this meeting. Does that make sense 00:17:50.021 --> 00:17:56.945 - to me? From what I understand, right? There's like some weird quorum, open door stuff that starts to 00:17:56.945 --> 00:18:04.144 - get confusing. I noticed for the issue at the beginning of the year was sending the letter to the mayor. 00:18:04.144 --> 00:18:05.310 - The mayor, yeah. 00:18:05.922 --> 00:18:14.667 - It was that a person can't operate independently. It's like an arm of CAPS. We can't send non-series 00:18:14.667 --> 00:18:23.325 - times. I can't speak for CAPS. It's like we could reach out as a non-CAPS member while we're not in 00:18:23.325 --> 00:18:32.416 - CAPS meetings. But we can't represent CAPS, I think. Yeah, unless it's been approved by all of us during 00:18:32.416 --> 00:18:34.494 - a meeting and it's been 00:18:35.106 --> 00:18:46.100 - open door. Visible. So it's a little tricky. But I think if we plan out what we want to set now. I've 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:57.633 - been talking to her about this because I, along with the person's name, made sure it started this project. 00:18:57.633 --> 00:19:03.454 - And so that's how it has been working. And so she has 00:19:04.962 --> 00:19:17.504 - like we helped her find organizations to research originally. And so when she has gotten information, 00:19:17.504 --> 00:19:29.800 - she passed it our way. So that's why we were able to pass the information on to you and that you're 00:19:29.800 --> 00:19:34.718 - getting right now. So I mean, you know, 00:19:35.074 --> 00:19:44.510 - It's just, there's, I don't want to say there's politics involved in what we have. There's... We're 00:19:44.510 --> 00:19:54.041 - navigating it while also participating in events. Maybe we do want to respond to those, you know, as 00:19:54.041 --> 00:20:03.006 - a group today, just as like, we're down to help all over. That's why I was saying that we can, 00:20:03.266 --> 00:20:11.303 - write an email and say that we would like to be stakeholders, and we can say the things that we'd like 00:20:11.303 --> 00:20:19.340 - to be as stakeholders. I'll work on the technical class thing. So we would get the information as soon 00:20:19.340 --> 00:20:27.533 - as possible. Or while we're talking. I can't say that we would get it as soon as possible because things 00:20:27.533 --> 00:20:29.406 - don't move on our line. 00:20:35.426 --> 00:20:47.410 - It would be as soon as the person that had the information felt like they deserved it. Or at least I 00:20:47.410 --> 00:20:59.987 - imagine they're not going to want to always put stuff out before it's actually like all set up so they're 00:20:59.987 --> 00:21:03.902 - like okay we understand our data 00:21:04.162 --> 00:21:13.191 - Now we can share with people. So I imagine they probably get it at the same time as a lot of people, 00:21:13.191 --> 00:21:22.131 - but. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, we probably couldn't use it until it's cleaned up. Oh, 00:21:22.131 --> 00:21:31.964 - yeah. It would just probably look like a labyrinth to us. It's like they do their job of making it accessible 00:21:31.964 --> 00:21:34.110 - visually and data-wise. 00:21:34.690 --> 00:21:46.329 - I imagine it will come to us or if we ask. Oh, once we're approved, like if it's approved that we're 00:21:46.329 --> 00:21:57.853 - a stakeholder, then once we're allowed to communicate, then we will give the information. Once it's 00:21:57.853 --> 00:22:01.886 - approved, then. Okay, quick email. 00:22:02.242 --> 00:22:08.450 - So hello, Isabelle. Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage 00:22:08.450 --> 00:22:14.718 - the public and help however moving forward with their sessions. We are also interested in the lead data 00:22:14.718 --> 00:22:20.865 - as it becomes available to those working on it, if possible, to help guide our sessions in support of 00:22:20.865 --> 00:22:27.013 - the research. Simple. Do you have a specific request to be considered stakeholders? I think we should 00:22:27.013 --> 00:22:31.774 - do that. Okay. So do you know if there'll be, I'm not sure if it's going to be 00:22:32.290 --> 00:22:51.038 - Can we become pretty to the meetings at everything in the waxing or. 00:23:13.666 --> 00:23:35.678 - I mean, I'm not sure if we can get in one of my grades. Yeah, and consider us a stakeholder. 00:23:44.258 --> 00:24:02.124 - We would like to consider stakeholders as a commission and if we could be included in the updated meetings. 00:24:02.124 --> 00:24:06.590 - I'm glad to be here. Okay. 00:24:14.178 --> 00:24:23.102 - Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage the public however 00:24:23.102 --> 00:24:32.288 - we can moving forward with these deliberation sessions. We are also interested in the data as it becomes 00:24:32.288 --> 00:24:41.036 - available to those working on it if it is possible to on it if it is possible to guide our sessions 00:24:41.036 --> 00:24:43.486 - in support of the research. 00:24:44.034 --> 00:24:55.599 - We would like to consider it stakeholders as commission and also attend or access the updated update 00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:05.790 - meetings throughout the process. Please fast forward any other ways we can support this. 00:25:20.482 --> 00:25:33.429 - Thank you for putting it together. Who is this lead group? What do we know about law enforcement officers? 00:25:33.429 --> 00:25:47.102 - I think it's a good question. Who's actually gathering the data? Is it a private group? It's a contracted group. 00:25:47.842 --> 00:25:59.926 - that you all wanted, right? Yeah. So they were the group that the CAP commissioned the research on and 00:25:59.926 --> 00:26:11.657 - the left wing. That's good. There's research on them in our documents and the drives and stuff that 00:26:11.657 --> 00:26:17.406 - we presented on. I see. That's the best company. 00:26:17.506 --> 00:26:28.009 - Yeah. But they worked at it. Yeah. We did research and we presented a presentation on everything. So 00:26:28.009 --> 00:26:38.407 - they stepped in the job and they'd be awesome. Okay. We have a drive. And we should have been given 00:26:38.407 --> 00:26:47.038 - access to it, but also that was a task. Yeah. They're strong and stepped in on it. 00:26:47.234 --> 00:26:59.439 - Hopefully, we'll see how we can be helpful. I still think having a dispatch person would be cool to 00:26:59.439 --> 00:27:12.254 - come speak with, but we'll figure out when that puts into the process, I guess, because we'll just wait. 00:27:13.122 --> 00:27:22.073 - I have a dispatch person. I'm not sure what would stop an individual. I'm a dispatch person. Is that 00:27:22.073 --> 00:27:31.290 - something that we want? I don't see what would stop. It's okay if I ask. I think it's a good idea. Why? 00:27:31.290 --> 00:27:40.241 - Why do we want it? What have we been looking for out of that conversation? Insight to their working. 00:27:40.241 --> 00:27:42.014 - Because I know that 00:27:42.402 --> 00:27:50.165 - The problem, one of the requests of this whole process has been to have dispatch who are also trained, 00:27:50.165 --> 00:27:58.154 - who are not police trained, they're, what's the other word, social workers, or in the social field versus 00:27:58.154 --> 00:28:05.992 - the carceral field. So I know that was the goal of getting two social workers and two dispatch. I don't 00:28:05.992 --> 00:28:10.590 - think they've successfully gotten both of them in there yet. 00:28:11.202 --> 00:28:17.792 - that was part of their like previous plan with the leap and all the other things that had been built 00:28:17.792 --> 00:28:24.773 - by the commission or advisory commission but also is developing working on uh in this in this like subject 00:28:24.773 --> 00:28:31.428 - field but i don't know were those positions approved and just being filled they they have social work 00:28:31.428 --> 00:28:37.822 - is working they have i know they hired one doing one i thought i heard the last time but that was 00:28:38.018 --> 00:28:44.850 - five months ago and everything. I don't know if they had a field, but I'm very... Because they're still... 00:28:44.850 --> 00:28:51.362 - Every time I talk to someone about it, they're still very stressed out about the quality of, or like, 00:28:51.362 --> 00:28:57.938 - keeping people in that position because it is... Very stressful job. Yes. And they haven't figured out 00:28:57.938 --> 00:29:04.451 - how to pay, or like, the quality of the person's job is what they're having trouble, struggling with, 00:29:04.451 --> 00:29:06.430 - I guess, is what I understood. 00:29:07.810 --> 00:29:15.816 - But we could ask those questions. Let's see how anybody supported some. Do you want to try to do that 00:29:15.816 --> 00:29:23.664 - at the next meeting and or whenever they're available within a couple meetings? Yeah. If we were to 00:29:23.664 --> 00:29:31.591 - ask someone to come to a meeting, how would we care about that? Would you all facilitate that for us 00:29:31.591 --> 00:29:36.222 - or would we be reaching out? We can. I believe we can ask. 00:29:36.546 --> 00:29:50.314 - So, we don't have access to that drive. So, that was sent to some party. We might have to figure that 00:29:50.314 --> 00:30:03.678 - out. I think, I mean, I can ask. Who's the manager is Councilor Bloomington Dye. That makes sense. 00:30:04.258 --> 00:30:22.327 - We're looking at our own accounts, not the council account. So that was super. Thank you. Originally, 00:30:22.327 --> 00:30:33.310 - they had it where we could read it. And then they changed it. 00:30:33.762 --> 00:30:39.511 - more questions or things, but. It's just whatever they can give us. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. Isabel's 00:30:39.511 --> 00:30:45.425 - very fast to respond in there. I feel like we're very in there, in the now, in the processes of everything. 00:30:45.425 --> 00:30:50.572 - So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, 00:30:50.572 --> 00:30:56.267 - it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. 00:30:56.267 --> 00:31:01.414 - So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, it's not her. So, 00:31:01.414 --> 00:31:03.166 - it's not her. So, it's not her. 00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:12.241 - So the council members, at that point, the council members had introduced a resolution. It was like 00:31:12.241 --> 00:31:21.008 - 2026-4, a resolution establishing immediate transparency limits and a public review process for automated 00:31:21.008 --> 00:31:29.444 - license, create reader technology and bring it in. And then one of the deadlines in there was for the 00:31:29.444 --> 00:31:33.662 - mayor and the first chief to provide a full report 00:31:33.858 --> 00:31:45.667 - transparency. And that was yesterday. So that happens yesterday. I can give the updated report. The 00:31:45.667 --> 00:31:57.830 - contract was not renewed. With the licensed faith leader providers? Well, the contract was not renewed 00:31:57.830 --> 00:31:59.838 - from months ago. 00:32:00.578 --> 00:32:07.770 - No, they just made this call yesterday, but I think the contract was already up, and now they're letting 00:32:07.770 --> 00:32:14.689 - us know that they're not renewing it. Yeah, they're not renewing the contract. They expired like two 00:32:14.689 --> 00:32:21.881 - months ago. Yeah, but they're still active. They still have to base it out, and like that would be going 00:32:21.881 --> 00:32:28.799 - on through like swing break, and not swing break through a little while. Yeah, because they're going 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:29.758 - to keep using 00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:42.526 - then for the safety of the little 500. But there are certain things that they won't check for. Yeah. 00:32:42.526 --> 00:32:55.162 - And. They put limitations. Yeah, they put limitations on what they'll check for. And then they won't 00:32:55.162 --> 00:32:59.166 - buy any more locked cameras and 00:32:59.682 --> 00:33:09.053 - that they won't make any inquiries that have to do with reproductive health immigration status, gender 00:33:09.053 --> 00:33:18.423 - identity, sexual orientation, or directly through property innovators. Have they been doing that? I... 00:33:18.423 --> 00:33:28.158 - So Block is a company that people have used their data for those things across the board. There's not been 00:33:28.994 --> 00:33:36.424 - transparency of that company specifically on how they were, who they would sell us through and how it 00:33:36.424 --> 00:33:44.146 - is being accessed. So that's where they have never, they're like, we're secure. You can choose how secure 00:33:44.146 --> 00:33:51.650 - you are. You can choose what's done. You can put limitations on things. And yet most, most independent 00:33:51.650 --> 00:33:58.206 - auditors and or tech people who have been following the company and the case can hack it. 00:33:58.914 --> 00:34:06.526 - And moment like once the data exists. Yeah, the data does anyone access or which is where the problem 00:34:06.526 --> 00:34:14.063 - without the main thing with Flock as a company with that they weren't secure and they were unwilling 00:34:14.063 --> 00:34:21.749 - to prove that to their consumers. And then they were being used by ice. Okay, yeah. To target specific 00:34:21.749 --> 00:34:24.958 - populations of interacts with people which 00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:34.278 - bringing along, you know, faster than one-on-one. Is this why the city hits with a pump or does it mean 00:34:34.278 --> 00:34:41.336 - that an earthquake? So the city, we were, for the last few months, there was a lot of conversations, 00:34:41.336 --> 00:34:48.324 - both the resolution and also the protest and there are many communities, basically, where the mayor 00:34:48.324 --> 00:34:55.102 - spoke on it without saying one or the other, like they want to continue to use something because 00:34:55.362 --> 00:35:04.051 - She does believe public safety is involved in those, but also was like, I understand civil liberties 00:35:04.051 --> 00:35:12.653 - are also at risk for me. So they're doing a bit of this. And from the thing last night, I feel like 00:35:12.653 --> 00:35:21.428 - a lot of people left somewhat more confused on how we plan on phasing them out. But it's very written 00:35:21.428 --> 00:35:22.718 - out, but also, 00:35:23.970 --> 00:35:30.565 - They're still on, and when they're still on, that data is still being taken. I suppose that data is 00:35:30.565 --> 00:35:37.159 - just for us now, but that's the main thing that researchers are coming up against is that it's just 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:43.820 - not secure. But also, they just changed their terms and conditions allowing private companies to buy 00:35:43.820 --> 00:35:50.612 - that information from them, that they would sell information to private firms for purchase. So they're 00:35:50.612 --> 00:35:53.118 - back from that. So that's still cool. 00:35:53.314 --> 00:36:05.163 - That's not possible. I think that's their own policy. But then I think the city wants to continue to 00:36:05.163 --> 00:36:17.364 - have something of sorts. But I think there's also a lot of misunderstanding of the thing that they have 00:36:17.364 --> 00:36:22.526 - purchased. So I think that's the next step. 00:36:22.978 --> 00:36:30.711 - I think public opinion work is that they're going to, and also the council's resolution does include 00:36:30.711 --> 00:36:38.674 - when they spoke, the point of the resolution was to get transparency on this and then also to encourage 00:36:38.674 --> 00:36:46.407 - that we have legislation to then control how surveillance is utilized in the community. So hopefully 00:36:46.407 --> 00:36:51.614 - the councils work on that. And then because when they presented it, 00:36:51.906 --> 00:37:00.202 - Again, a nice thing to hear because, well, they want to create long-term legislation that stops us from 00:37:00.202 --> 00:37:08.738 - ever getting into debt with a company that would sell it and then be apt for us even when our city doesn't 00:37:08.738 --> 00:37:16.237 - want that to be done. It would be interesting to collect information on, so I'm assuming when 00:37:16.237 --> 00:37:21.342 - the municipality engaged with FLOC that there was an RFP or RFI 00:37:21.442 --> 00:37:28.521 - that defined the requirements or interests that we had as Bloomington for this service that then Flock 00:37:28.521 --> 00:37:35.601 - responded to and then we came up with a contract, right? It's pretty standard. Would we be able to get 00:37:35.601 --> 00:37:42.543 - access to what the RFP or RFI was? What is the city of Bloomington? Why didn't we go to Flock in the 00:37:42.543 --> 00:37:49.622 - first place? What were we looking to accomplish? Sure. I would imagine it was what they were in. Sure, 00:37:49.622 --> 00:37:51.134 - but I imagine there's 00:37:51.330 --> 00:38:01.935 - there had to be bullet points. But a specific direct. Yeah. Another contract has been made public because 00:38:01.935 --> 00:38:12.239 - you can, it was redacted pretty heavily from when it was denied multiple times across public requests, 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:18.942 - which was another alarm for all people been at nine. So, you know, 00:38:19.234 --> 00:38:28.176 - and then it was released and there was redactions. I don't know what an RFI or anything is, but I imagine 00:38:28.176 --> 00:38:37.118 - you could look that up and you would understand better. Yeah. From the city's perspective, is it possible 00:38:37.118 --> 00:38:45.976 - to access those procurement documents or that contract how that began? It just seems like our commission 00:38:45.976 --> 00:38:49.182 - focused on public safety. It would be 00:38:50.466 --> 00:38:57.400 - Interesting for us to know what it was the city was asking about relating to public safety and why we 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:04.333 - went with flop in the first place. You can get it. Yeah, if it's available. Yeah, and I think you can 00:39:04.333 --> 00:39:11.131 - make those requests as well too. Yeah, as a person of the public. Yeah, awesome. Right. I mentioned 00:39:11.131 --> 00:39:15.006 - that this group can do it a lot better than I can. Nice. 00:39:15.426 --> 00:39:24.460 - Is anyone aware of other companies that do this that have more integrity, more security? I don't know, 00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:33.407 - none. Or maybe take the data differently, maybe? It's weird to want data when it's like, you want the 00:39:33.407 --> 00:39:43.582 - license plate for when a crime is committed, and then you can check in on it, but then you're like collecting data. 00:39:44.290 --> 00:39:51.943 - people do, but I don't know of any companies that are ethical or have more integrity in the surveillance 00:39:51.943 --> 00:39:59.523 - world. I imagine there are many, but also it's like closed-circuit things exist. I'm not a tech person, 00:39:59.523 --> 00:40:07.102 - so. We could look into it for our next meeting, and that would be like a reporter, just like, if anyone 00:40:07.102 --> 00:40:12.350 - has any ideas what they look into. I guess we could look into them, but 00:40:12.866 --> 00:40:19.169 - The lead means maybe they're going to find out. And I think if they're going to choose something, hopefully, 00:40:19.169 --> 00:40:25.125 - then a lot we can advise them. That would be great. If we could see that original document that you're 00:40:25.125 --> 00:40:30.965 - talking about before the next meeting, that's a very likely opportunity. Yeah, because it depends on 00:40:30.965 --> 00:40:36.863 - what they're looking for. If they're saying, if they're specifically saying, well, we want to be able 00:40:36.863 --> 00:40:39.870 - to track license plates from crime baby. OK, right. 00:40:40.962 --> 00:40:48.164 - Is it? No, we want to. We want to be able to follow up, but depending on what we're asking for, there 00:40:48.164 --> 00:40:55.224 - might be other solutions besides full time 24 7 remote surveillance that's clock based. There is an 00:40:55.224 --> 00:41:02.426 - article that said the things that they searched for because they even said that are the officers that 00:41:02.426 --> 00:41:08.286 - searched and when the hours they searched and everything, it was that detailed so. 00:41:08.450 --> 00:41:15.353 - If they can get that specific and say, like, if the officers are searching when they search for the 00:41:15.353 --> 00:41:22.463 - thing, then, I mean, that has to be what they were looking for. Yeah. Is the use of this system or how 00:41:22.463 --> 00:41:29.643 - it was used public knowledge? I mean, it was in an article that I was able to read online. I don't know 00:41:29.643 --> 00:41:37.374 - if the... They have the resolution. They have a resolution on also the memo. Yeah. The flop memo that came out. 00:41:37.538 --> 00:41:48.215 - I've been trying to read through it a little bit, and there's like a little portion about a little bit 00:41:48.215 --> 00:41:58.582 - about why they chose Flock, but then mainly the next steps. I think Flock was just presenting. They 00:41:58.582 --> 00:42:03.454 - went on a rapid, as a company, they were like, 00:42:03.682 --> 00:42:11.708 - We want to provide this everyone. So they went to the each municipality. It's practically a lot. This 00:42:11.708 --> 00:42:19.812 - is very fast. So I don't think a lot of people did or capable of doing tech due diligence because it's 00:42:19.812 --> 00:42:28.152 - such a new field. So that's where I think the reverse creating legislation around it is very, very secure 00:42:28.152 --> 00:42:31.614 - and comfortable to me. Does anyone know why 00:42:32.162 --> 00:42:40.829 - the committee has sustainability, our commission has sustainability included those? I don't know for 00:42:40.829 --> 00:42:49.753 - anything, yeah. I think there's just about, like, they included for public safety, but I don't remember 00:42:49.753 --> 00:42:58.506 - random they have that commission on sustainability is to promote and advance stable policies and they 00:42:58.506 --> 00:43:00.222 - were gonna speak UN 00:43:00.802 --> 00:43:07.404 - development goals. I was lost. I was, I was at the meeting and I think there's just one to take action. 00:43:07.404 --> 00:43:13.943 - And that's where it's like, at least the commission did. But that's what I was trying to back. We were 00:43:13.943 --> 00:43:20.418 - going to co-sign with them before to sort of help them with gathering. But there was, we could get to 00:43:20.418 --> 00:43:27.274 - meet up and talk about it. I don't know if they even spoke with a member of the public and read a statement 00:43:27.274 --> 00:43:28.798 - from a bunch of people. 00:43:29.730 --> 00:43:36.807 - But it was nice to see a group of people concerned about it, because also it went through hand. There 00:43:36.807 --> 00:43:44.161 - was another commission that approved the block cameras originally through the report of police. It didn't 00:43:44.161 --> 00:43:51.099 - go through city council. It didn't go through, because it wasn't required to. It just seems like, I 00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:56.094 - don't know, it has to do with sustainability. Sustainability is keeping 00:43:56.802 --> 00:44:08.202 - I think sustainability is loose enough. If you want people to work here, that's great. I think there's 00:44:08.202 --> 00:44:19.602 - plenty of ways to say it's sustainable. They have pillars, sustainability encompasses equity, justice, 00:44:19.602 --> 00:44:26.686 - democratic. It's pretty broad. I was trying to read through it. 00:44:28.290 --> 00:44:36.812 - That's what it looks like. I could see how that could happen, but this doesn't affect the environment. 00:44:36.812 --> 00:44:45.333 - I mean, they use AI, so yeah, it does. Block uses AI. But they use it not in a way that's been flushed 00:44:45.333 --> 00:44:53.772 - out of it. So they're jumping in on it. It's falsely created profiles through AI for people to go and 00:44:53.772 --> 00:44:56.254 - hold over when it's not when. 00:44:56.482 --> 00:45:04.371 - Is that because of electricity years? And the data centers. Data centers. I mean, AI is harmful in a 00:45:04.371 --> 00:45:12.260 - lot of ways. Sustainable is. It's a step. It's not a step. It's a step. Living is currently building 00:45:12.260 --> 00:45:20.149 - another one. Clear water is going to be drawn from Indianapolis. Sustainability is involved in a lot 00:45:20.149 --> 00:45:26.398 - of it. But also sustainability, I think, includes water sustainability as well. 00:45:26.530 --> 00:45:35.377 - R3DR are well-being. But it's all ample or at least in the right direction. So I think spinning down, 00:45:35.377 --> 00:45:44.310 - paying attention to how we move forward with it is an important program. I think also as a commission, 00:45:44.310 --> 00:45:53.070 - I mean, I think you guys make a promise that maybe we'll find other options that they're going to be 00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:54.718 - able to work with. 00:45:55.874 --> 00:46:03.739 - They owe PRs. If there are other ones to present. I think naturally, if the commission on sustainability 00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:11.230 - is able to provide something, then I feel like we should need more ground to do it similar to that. 00:46:11.230 --> 00:46:18.945 - Hopefully we'll do it, but with the LEED stuff and get some more arranged LEED stuff and get some more 00:46:18.945 --> 00:46:24.638 - information on that. I can attempt to get more information on other things. 00:46:24.834 --> 00:46:47.903 - Yeah. Even individually, I can look into some of the money. Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about 00:46:47.903 --> 00:46:51.934 - about that? Yeah. 00:46:53.890 --> 00:47:00.410 - We put in here a plan for work group sessions. I don't know if we have a need for one right now, and 00:47:00.410 --> 00:47:06.994 - or the capacity with staffing. And maybe once we have more on our next meeting, if we can all come up 00:47:06.994 --> 00:47:13.578 - with the reports on things that we have questions about and kind of bring more things to the table to 00:47:13.578 --> 00:47:19.710 - work on within the lead things, then we'll have potential for needing a work session on stuff. 00:47:20.802 --> 00:47:29.526 - I feel like we should vote on something while we have corn. Well, we wrote an email. And yeah, if we 00:47:29.526 --> 00:47:38.164 - can get whatever the RFI was that we used to engage with, I can certainly review that. I work in IT 00:47:38.164 --> 00:47:46.974 - and tech. I've had a lot of spreads lately. So we're talking words. I don't know what any of that is. 00:47:47.170 --> 00:47:57.142 - A request for proposal or request for information is a formal way to ask a company to bid to put together, 00:47:57.142 --> 00:48:06.648 - like, hey, here are 20 things that we want. Can you respond to those and say, this is how much we can 00:48:06.648 --> 00:48:15.968 - cost schedule scope resources to deploy the kind of stuff? Any topics for future agendas? Are still 00:48:15.968 --> 00:48:17.086 - working on? 00:48:18.914 --> 00:48:29.619 - Well, I want to come back to what you brought up about the case of what seemed like an excessive response 00:48:29.619 --> 00:48:40.426 - by the police department. They went through the approval process, and the police chief put out a statement 00:48:40.426 --> 00:48:48.606 - talking about what had happened step by step. It still seemed awfully excessive. 00:48:49.346 --> 00:48:59.580 - The police do call in and get special requests for use of force like that. Is there a follow-on review 00:48:59.580 --> 00:49:09.616 - process to identify if it was done properly and if it was acceptable that they responded and if they 00:49:09.616 --> 00:49:18.558 - did? Do we know that? I don't know. We should find that out. Yeah. I agree. But moreover, 00:49:18.658 --> 00:49:27.294 - The fact that the police went there shows us that they're still responding to domestic violence. 00:49:27.294 --> 00:49:36.465 - For sure. And I kind of thought that that wasn't supposed to be happening anymore. Or they're supposed 00:49:36.465 --> 00:49:42.430 - to be moving away from them. Probably to have anyone else to send. 00:49:43.618 --> 00:49:52.333 - Yeah, I guess I think if you call 911 and say, my wife almost stabbed me, it's probably going to be 00:49:52.333 --> 00:50:01.310 - the place to show up. I think until there's actual steps and alternatives or different kind of workers 00:50:01.310 --> 00:50:10.200 - hired into the system, I don't know. Would they still like to think if they were forced after that to 00:50:10.200 --> 00:50:12.030 - go with that person, 00:50:12.258 --> 00:50:21.911 - in the future, meaning without. It was the term that was on the research that Isabel did, where it was 00:50:21.911 --> 00:50:31.845 - like, there's without, with, and as a backup kind of thing, there was like different versions of response 00:50:31.845 --> 00:50:41.310 - that someone had to involve the police, but then there was ways to navigate and approach some. Yeah. 00:50:41.602 --> 00:50:56.990 - It would be interesting to learn about. Hopefully. The drone sounds odd, but thinking from a police, 00:50:56.990 --> 00:51:11.006 - I don't know. It's better than them shooting down the door and going in, right? I think so. 00:51:11.106 --> 00:51:18.098 - So a search warrant was secured for the residence in a critical incident response state. CIRT responded 00:51:18.098 --> 00:51:25.022 - to the scene to take the woman into custody. A remotely piloted aerial vehicle was sent into residence 00:51:25.022 --> 00:51:31.813 - to locate. Once located in her living room, she struck the REV down, knocking it out of the air. She 00:51:31.813 --> 00:51:39.006 - then grabbed the RPV and threw it against the wall, crushing it, causing significant damage to the device. 00:51:39.778 --> 00:51:48.696 - It was later taken into custody by members of the CIRT at approximately 1030 P. If I'm having a really 00:51:48.696 --> 00:51:57.354 - city day, if you send them being blind in, I'm going to respond in a positive manner. Right. It's a 00:51:57.354 --> 00:52:02.462 - fascinating thing that you send them in this drone that is 00:52:02.562 --> 00:52:10.147 - Aggressive. Yeah, nice that you have this aggressive boy coming in at me, but I don't speak. I don't 00:52:10.147 --> 00:52:18.032 - know how that really feels for me. That's the key word is toy. Well, every one month on your toy, that's 00:52:18.032 --> 00:52:25.542 - where it should be from. She is going to be charged the thousands of dollars for the destruction of 00:52:25.542 --> 00:52:29.822 - police property. Yeah. What was the drug supposed to do? 00:52:31.554 --> 00:52:38.772 - to give eyes to the police what's going on inside the foreman without risking themselves. When it's 00:52:38.772 --> 00:52:46.423 - something like that, the individual is going to have, like, you're underutilized nowadays for practically 00:52:46.423 --> 00:52:53.714 - anything, right? Like, you're ordered with all sorts of payloads. Yeah, I mean, there's not, like, a 00:52:53.714 --> 00:52:58.622 - piece of paper saying... Also, this woman was having a psychotic... 00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:06.416 - You're gonna send some alien-looking thing flying into the roof? How is that helpful? And it probably 00:53:06.416 --> 00:53:13.520 - broke the window. I'm sure. I don't know how it got in. I mean, it must have. I doubt she ever left 00:53:13.520 --> 00:53:20.766 - the door open, so it must have. They break the window, like these flimsy things. They can be hardened 00:53:20.766 --> 00:53:27.230 - in ways to make them, to militarize versions of them or not. As flimsy as the ones that... 00:53:28.258 --> 00:53:38.676 - So yeah, it's just a fascinating case. It seems like this is a group that would like to know more about 00:53:38.676 --> 00:53:48.694 - it. Yeah. Yeah. Like how are these decisions made? Like what are the parameters that make that, how 00:53:48.694 --> 00:53:58.110 - they make the call? Are we going to send a girl? Is this a good situation for sending a girl? 00:53:58.402 --> 00:54:09.218 - like parameters when they're in a situation with that extent beyond the general information gather they're 00:54:09.218 --> 00:54:19.630 - going to do about 911 calls or that because it's tangential to the call. Yeah, I don't know if we have 00:54:19.630 --> 00:54:26.302 - to deploy the information of the critical response. I don't know. 00:54:27.106 --> 00:54:34.690 - Because I think it could be. Do you have any reasons on that? What does the crisis, what does the crisis 00:54:34.690 --> 00:54:41.985 - negotiation team do? Well, how do they escalate? How do they get involved with the critical incident 00:54:41.985 --> 00:54:49.425 - response team, CIRT? What does that chain come in? Is there approvals required? Do things like sending 00:54:49.425 --> 00:54:55.998 - the drone in? Like, I think there's a lot of information on the website that we've kind of 00:54:56.162 --> 00:55:03.170 - that stuff where they like have to because of public information stuff. So, I think if you dig in there 00:55:03.170 --> 00:55:09.975 - as an IT person, when we're looking at it, it looks overwhelming to me that maybe some of that stuff 00:55:09.975 --> 00:55:16.983 - is in the police services, public reports, and things that are on the city website. Yeah, they're meant 00:55:16.983 --> 00:55:23.721 - to also be arduous to look at. Yeah. The lawyer used to be like, oh, watch, I can do this and I can 00:55:23.721 --> 00:55:25.406 - make them digestible but 00:55:26.178 --> 00:55:32.766 - So you might be able to adjust it better. So maybe that's something that you could. Yeah, for sure. 00:55:32.766 --> 00:55:39.420 - You could check in on and see what information you can gather and then report on. Yeah, that's fine. 00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:46.272 - We understand more about it than we can understand and how we can inform and or advise as a permission. 00:55:46.272 --> 00:55:52.926 - Especially if you consider a separate process, then 9-1-1 procedure only, I mean, it ends up knowing 00:55:52.926 --> 00:55:55.166 - even if the situation is ongoing, 00:55:55.586 --> 00:56:03.499 - Because, I mean, the situation that happened, it must have started with a 911 call, but then at this 00:56:03.499 --> 00:56:11.412 - point, it transitioned when they got a warrant or whatever. So it's not completely the same thing as 00:56:11.412 --> 00:56:19.717 - the week. I think it can be great to work into a warrant. Yeah, for sure. I can certainly bring a report, 00:56:19.717 --> 00:56:24.574 - maybe even a PowerPoint presentation. I'll make it easy, yes. 00:56:25.538 --> 00:56:51.171 - Okay. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. 00:56:51.171 --> 00:56:54.622 - Steps. Steps. 00:56:55.522 --> 00:57:04.187 - to see what people who are, because I think if people are researching are off about this stuff right 00:57:04.187 --> 00:57:13.023 - now because of how far it can harm people. So I think there's gotta be some stuff we can look into and 00:57:13.023 --> 00:57:21.688 - present. Eventually those three items for the next time, which is impressive. Which our next meeting 00:57:21.688 --> 00:57:24.862 - is, what calendar? I don't have one. 00:57:26.882 --> 00:57:34.044 - One, two, yeah, the 21st. The 21st? Yeah. And then if anybody else, people, I've been trying to get 00:57:34.044 --> 00:57:41.422 - people on with us. So I know there's still a couple vacancies. So if you've got people you think would 00:57:41.422 --> 00:57:48.727 - be good to have in the room and are interested, let's try to get them in here. Okay. Because the more 00:57:48.727 --> 00:57:56.606 - the better. Yeah. More hands and then we actually can start to section things off and figure some things out. 00:57:58.434 --> 00:58:07.498 - Sorry, maybe we can get maybe not to have subcommits. Yeah, 21st. Cool. Is everybody good for that one? 00:58:07.498 --> 00:58:16.475 - More with each other? 21st is good. I think I'll have to be virtual a lot of the time. Try to get them 00:58:16.475 --> 00:58:25.278 - remembering, but won't still be following us. That's 21st of May. Yes. Post-graduation, post-policy, 00:58:25.890 --> 00:58:42.657 - what steps get taken after graduation from fall and stuff. The uh the common council has that been released 00:58:42.657 --> 00:58:49.022 - that that's recorded right yes i've been 00:58:56.482 --> 00:59:21.502 - another. Okay, so I guess we can. How do we do that? I motion that we adjourn the meeting. I second it.