So, we're actually down the roll call in our new positions yet. So, we're also new to what we're doing.
Cammy is new as a co-chair again, but most of us are still new. So, welcome, Michael. I have no idea
what's going on. We're learning as we go. So, I just said everyone's name and then you said that you're
here. So, Kamara.
Yeah. Yes. Here. Um sharing is not here. Um here. And then it's the approval of the agenda. Did everyone
still have the agenda from the last email? Take a chance to look over it. We kept it the same as the
last meeting. Um if anybody wants to add anything, we'll
to do so. I don't have any. Welcome. Welcome all here.
They're turned back to roll call for that one. No, we just look at that. No, no, no, no, no.
before we move on to reports to the agenda or change anything on the agenda? Not much to report. I think
we've been trying to chase down some of the flop things that are happening, but a lot has happened since
we haven't met. So yeah, a lot of things have changed and or is going through. They have been in last
night, so I would be like anything that I would say.
I didn't know if we wanted to do the update now or when we got to the... Yeah, I'm not sure. Probably
best to save it for when we get to the hold-down, but that would be the big one. Does anyone else have
anything they want to report?
Any reports from staff? We're super understaffed right now, but hopefully they're working to try to
hire someone in part-time in that journey spot and then get some more people on the team. Hopefully
by the summer time, there's a little bit more support. If there's anything we can do as a whole learning
how to keep this going. Thank you.
I'm in public, but I don't think we have anyone up in there. Okay, old business. The first thing would
be the LEAP study and actions that Isabel Piedmont-Smith had been working on. The last time we chatted,
Isabel had presented to us
all the findings that she had been working on and all the things she had been learning. She was going
to conferences to learn about alternatives to 911 or alternatives to helping people through the 911
services. So I think there was some documents in our thing about that work, but then also there was
money set aside for a study into our actual 911 calls so that they could
go through it all and figure out what steps could be taken, or how many times people are being sent
for the wrong thing, or if there's ways to hopefully in the future use that to then funnel a different
system into the 9-1 dispatch. You have a question? I just wanted to make sure everybody knew where we
were at at the time.
So that is what we have been talking about a lot with Isabella and also as a commission, helping support
that however we can or about the engaging in public comment as a commission, creating other ways to
communicate with the public about how this affects public safety. Isabella did email with
that they're going to work on two deliberation sessions on September 9th and October 21st to engage
the public on the topics of what is public safety and how can the city government best achieve public
safety in Wellington. And she said that she would love our help on planning those and or helping her
make those happen through the commission. So I have not responded to her on that, but I figured she
would have been, she's our
our advocate, our city council advocate. So something we can talk about in the next one on how we can
help her with that after you respond and get some more details on what that looks like. Because we've
talked about doing a public forum about the dispatch or public safety again to figure out how the public
is feeling and then we can then digest that and present it as a commission. Yes. Were the finances to
do that study, that loop study,
like granting already? Is that in motion? There was a thing at the end of the year last year that was
expiring. There was money set aside in the budget, and it was expiring, and then it was pushed through
before the budget expired. So that money was funded, and I think it's begun, or at least it will begin
in the next couple months maybe, and then it's supposed to start. Yeah, it's supposed to start in April.
They have the money for it, and they can contact the people to do it. So you should start seeing some
information and or some other direction of which way that's going. I don't know what that means, but
I think we'll figure that out as we need. And then that gives us a direction to continue helping her.
I'm just excited to actually see it come to fruition. We've been working on this for a long time to
get them involved and especially with the recent incident that happened, I know somebody
asked about the recent event and what could something different have been done and with this being done
and Lee being involved will be able to see if maybe something different might have been able to have
been done with the response. Which recent incident are you going to? That when the woman barricaded herself
in her house. Yeah, there's a news story about it. She drugged her partner with some knives. He left
the police department like sending drones through the window. And there was a pretty extensive response
from our team to be so they could have been handled much more nicely. Is that the one that was labeled?
Those are the words that are out there. There is a look at her arms.
a hostage thing? I don't know. So the man had left. She was very nice, right? But it wasn't a gun. And
he had already exited. And then the police showed up. So I don't think there were hostages involved.
And I just remember seeing something in there that was on that weird app, the next door app, where they
were like, there's an active hostage in there. And I was like, what? Yeah.
I didn't find anything else on them. Yeah, she was tear gassed, I believe. I'm not sure what all the
steps are in the response, but I often know that there are steps that have to take place in the response
group and the crisis response team, too. Like, the crisis responder can't go into a situation where
there are weapons involved on their own.
So there has to be someone that's armed in certain situations that responded into the loan. So I don't
know what the situation was in the outlook before they went in. So that is why we need to be involved
so we can see what happened in situations like this and maybe in this situation so we can assess situations
so we know for sure what's going on.
and what kind of response we need in situations in the future so we know what is the best response.
So that's why we do need to come in. Yeah, and that also, in Isabel's study, there were different cities
that had different response teams that happened. So there were some that were through the police, others
that were outside of the police, others that worked together, and there was lots of other
things that are K-dolls exploring those, and that's what this study will help. I may push maybe that
we could use a different service, or we could build in a different thing, but also we have Striving
Town, which we talked about at extent, and I think their marketing campaign has been working a lot.
I've seen it on social media and things, so I know that that's one of the options that is involved I've
been looking at,
potentially incorporated, somehow figuring out how to incorporate that into our emergency response for
things that could be for them versus the loose. Do we have this data? It started this month, supposedly.
Just this month? Yeah, so there's a couple months out before we can get started, so we don't have too
much yet. I see.
So we can't really, there's not enough to. They're in the process now of going over the data and act
on it. They haven't done it yet. Okay. This should be included in the data. You're saying in the timetable,
it says month, month.
three and four analysis and stakeholder learning. I wonder if we could have an opportunity to talk with
them at that point when they've learned some data and gathered some of the stakeholders. That's one
of the things. Right? Yeah. Because I presume we're going to have to wait for seven months. Yeah. I
would hope we have some input maybe. Yeah. We would also talk about bringing a dispatcher in when I
know that they're
understaffed and struggling to build on other dispatch roles, too. Well, yeah. But those two can be
nice to have as we engage with the public. We could impose a letter now about the things that we would
like to see as stakeholders. We could say that we would like to be stakeholders in the things that we
would like to see.
It also does say that there are champion meetings on every three weeks. Do you know, does anyone know
if everybody knows at all? Because of the situation, no, I'm not trying to dissuade you all because
it's not your fault, but because of the situation we're staffing, we have kind of been left out on our
own and out on in the blue.
I don't really know what's going on with the situation. We've kind of been forgotten in the situation.
So, and even before that, it was, it's really hard to get through to the mayor's office. Is Isabel,
would that be our appropriate channel we're asked to get? We can definitely try. Yeah, because that
was, I had all of the shenanigans.
We can respond to that as a perspective. Where can we jump in? How can we become stakeholders in the
process of who it goes? Another thing to consider on an organization is stride. I don't know if they
should be in on this. Originally, we
were the stakeholders that thought out people and then the mayor's office took over of course and like
we were invited to the table and then we got this email and then there was a readjustment in the way
that things are done with like how we're doing staffing and things like that. The communications that
aren't very good now
And so I have to catch up. So imagine Stride will be a part of it. I'm sure Stride is. I imagine they're
somewhere in there, but maybe that's our last. Because they are an alternative to 911 calls. It's already
there. Well, not someone that is well-pitched as well to us already, as the one that they're going to
hopefully consider as a model and or the organization that they can go for.
Once that's decided, they're in the process of the 9-1-1 breakdown first before moving forward, if that
makes sense. OK, it just seems like it should be mentioned in the report. OK. They're probably a little
bit. OK. But they also are saying they haven't done the analysis yet, so they can't say that and try
to start an agency yet, because they haven't done their analysis yet.
So they're looking at the agencies and organizations that are available. So they can't come at the beginning
if they, STRIDE is the agency that's gonna be the one that is doing it if they haven't had the chance
to look at everything we get and evaluate them. Yeah, because the studies of our 911 calls, not of the
STRIDE calls, STRIDE would be the after, how we can incorporate
their services into our 911 versus having to set up phone numbers and or building them. So, I imagine
they're definitely going to be a part of the information in the end and or like a section of information
because they take calls, but they're not like we're studying our dispatch and what percentage of our
dispatch would be better for an alternative, which would be strident and or a city
creative contracting or a contracted thing. Okay. I'm so sorry. Would it make sense to assign one of
us to be a point person to engage about this? I don't know. How we have to operate is kind of interesting.
We can't really have our communications
You can have like emails with Isabelle on your own and like, but also when there's like we respond to
this email with a whole senate, we'd have to do it together during this meeting. Does that make sense
to me? From what I understand, right? There's like some weird quorum, open door stuff that starts to
get confusing. I noticed for the issue at the beginning of the year was sending the letter to the mayor.
The mayor, yeah.
It was that a person can't operate independently. It's like an arm of CAPS. We can't send non-series
times. I can't speak for CAPS. It's like we could reach out as a non-CAPS member while we're not in
CAPS meetings. But we can't represent CAPS, I think. Yeah, unless it's been approved by all of us during
a meeting and it's been
open door. Visible. So it's a little tricky. But I think if we plan out what we want to set now. I've
been talking to her about this because I, along with the person's name, made sure it started this project.
And so that's how it has been working. And so she has
like we helped her find organizations to research originally. And so when she has gotten information,
she passed it our way. So that's why we were able to pass the information on to you and that you're
getting right now. So I mean, you know,
It's just, there's, I don't want to say there's politics involved in what we have. There's... We're
navigating it while also participating in events. Maybe we do want to respond to those, you know, as
a group today, just as like, we're down to help all over. That's why I was saying that we can,
write an email and say that we would like to be stakeholders, and we can say the things that we'd like
to be as stakeholders. I'll work on the technical class thing. So we would get the information as soon
as possible. Or while we're talking. I can't say that we would get it as soon as possible because things
don't move on our line.
It would be as soon as the person that had the information felt like they deserved it. Or at least I
imagine they're not going to want to always put stuff out before it's actually like all set up so they're
like okay we understand our data
Now we can share with people. So I imagine they probably get it at the same time as a lot of people,
but. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, we probably couldn't use it until it's cleaned up. Oh,
yeah. It would just probably look like a labyrinth to us. It's like they do their job of making it accessible
visually and data-wise.
I imagine it will come to us or if we ask. Oh, once we're approved, like if it's approved that we're
a stakeholder, then once we're allowed to communicate, then we will give the information. Once it's
approved, then. Okay, quick email.
So hello, Isabelle. Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage
the public and help however moving forward with their sessions. We are also interested in the lead data
as it becomes available to those working on it, if possible, to help guide our sessions in support of
the research. Simple. Do you have a specific request to be considered stakeholders? I think we should
do that. Okay. So do you know if there'll be, I'm not sure if it's going to be
Can we become pretty to the meetings at everything in the waxing or.
I mean, I'm not sure if we can get in one of my grades. Yeah, and consider us a stakeholder.
We would like to consider stakeholders as a commission and if we could be included in the updated meetings.
I'm glad to be here. Okay.
Thank you for your counsel and work on these matters. We would love to help engage the public however
we can moving forward with these deliberation sessions. We are also interested in the data as it becomes
available to those working on it if it is possible to on it if it is possible to guide our sessions
in support of the research.
We would like to consider it stakeholders as commission and also attend or access the updated update
meetings throughout the process. Please fast forward any other ways we can support this.
Thank you for putting it together. Who is this lead group? What do we know about law enforcement officers?
I think it's a good question. Who's actually gathering the data? Is it a private group? It's a contracted group.
that you all wanted, right? Yeah. So they were the group that the CAP commissioned the research on and
the left wing. That's good. There's research on them in our documents and the drives and stuff that
we presented on. I see. That's the best company.
Yeah. But they worked at it. Yeah. We did research and we presented a presentation on everything. So
they stepped in the job and they'd be awesome. Okay. We have a drive. And we should have been given
access to it, but also that was a task. Yeah. They're strong and stepped in on it.
Hopefully, we'll see how we can be helpful. I still think having a dispatch person would be cool to
come speak with, but we'll figure out when that puts into the process, I guess, because we'll just wait.
I have a dispatch person. I'm not sure what would stop an individual. I'm a dispatch person. Is that
something that we want? I don't see what would stop. It's okay if I ask. I think it's a good idea. Why?
Why do we want it? What have we been looking for out of that conversation? Insight to their working.
Because I know that
The problem, one of the requests of this whole process has been to have dispatch who are also trained,
who are not police trained, they're, what's the other word, social workers, or in the social field versus
the carceral field. So I know that was the goal of getting two social workers and two dispatch. I don't
think they've successfully gotten both of them in there yet.
that was part of their like previous plan with the leap and all the other things that had been built
by the commission or advisory commission but also is developing working on uh in this in this like subject
field but i don't know were those positions approved and just being filled they they have social work
is working they have i know they hired one doing one i thought i heard the last time but that was
five months ago and everything. I don't know if they had a field, but I'm very... Because they're still...
Every time I talk to someone about it, they're still very stressed out about the quality of, or like,
keeping people in that position because it is... Very stressful job. Yes. And they haven't figured out
how to pay, or like, the quality of the person's job is what they're having trouble, struggling with,
I guess, is what I understood.
But we could ask those questions. Let's see how anybody supported some. Do you want to try to do that
at the next meeting and or whenever they're available within a couple meetings? Yeah. If we were to
ask someone to come to a meeting, how would we care about that? Would you all facilitate that for us
or would we be reaching out? We can. I believe we can ask.
So, we don't have access to that drive. So, that was sent to some party. We might have to figure that
out. I think, I mean, I can ask. Who's the manager is Councilor Bloomington Dye. That makes sense.
We're looking at our own accounts, not the council account. So that was super. Thank you. Originally,
they had it where we could read it. And then they changed it.
more questions or things, but. It's just whatever they can give us. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully. Isabel's
very fast to respond in there. I feel like we're very in there, in the now, in the processes of everything.
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So the council members, at that point, the council members had introduced a resolution. It was like
2026-4, a resolution establishing immediate transparency limits and a public review process for automated
license, create reader technology and bring it in. And then one of the deadlines in there was for the
mayor and the first chief to provide a full report
transparency. And that was yesterday. So that happens yesterday. I can give the updated report. The
contract was not renewed. With the licensed faith leader providers? Well, the contract was not renewed
from months ago.
No, they just made this call yesterday, but I think the contract was already up, and now they're letting
us know that they're not renewing it. Yeah, they're not renewing the contract. They expired like two
months ago. Yeah, but they're still active. They still have to base it out, and like that would be going
on through like swing break, and not swing break through a little while. Yeah, because they're going
to keep using
then for the safety of the little 500. But there are certain things that they won't check for. Yeah.
And. They put limitations. Yeah, they put limitations on what they'll check for. And then they won't
buy any more locked cameras and
that they won't make any inquiries that have to do with reproductive health immigration status, gender
identity, sexual orientation, or directly through property innovators. Have they been doing that? I...
So Block is a company that people have used their data for those things across the board. There's not been
transparency of that company specifically on how they were, who they would sell us through and how it
is being accessed. So that's where they have never, they're like, we're secure. You can choose how secure
you are. You can choose what's done. You can put limitations on things. And yet most, most independent
auditors and or tech people who have been following the company and the case can hack it.
And moment like once the data exists. Yeah, the data does anyone access or which is where the problem
without the main thing with Flock as a company with that they weren't secure and they were unwilling
to prove that to their consumers. And then they were being used by ice. Okay, yeah. To target specific
populations of interacts with people which
bringing along, you know, faster than one-on-one. Is this why the city hits with a pump or does it mean
that an earthquake? So the city, we were, for the last few months, there was a lot of conversations,
both the resolution and also the protest and there are many communities, basically, where the mayor
spoke on it without saying one or the other, like they want to continue to use something because
She does believe public safety is involved in those, but also was like, I understand civil liberties
are also at risk for me. So they're doing a bit of this. And from the thing last night, I feel like
a lot of people left somewhat more confused on how we plan on phasing them out. But it's very written
out, but also,
They're still on, and when they're still on, that data is still being taken. I suppose that data is
just for us now, but that's the main thing that researchers are coming up against is that it's just
not secure. But also, they just changed their terms and conditions allowing private companies to buy
that information from them, that they would sell information to private firms for purchase. So they're
back from that. So that's still cool.
That's not possible. I think that's their own policy. But then I think the city wants to continue to
have something of sorts. But I think there's also a lot of misunderstanding of the thing that they have
purchased. So I think that's the next step.
I think public opinion work is that they're going to, and also the council's resolution does include
when they spoke, the point of the resolution was to get transparency on this and then also to encourage
that we have legislation to then control how surveillance is utilized in the community. So hopefully
the councils work on that. And then because when they presented it,
Again, a nice thing to hear because, well, they want to create long-term legislation that stops us from
ever getting into debt with a company that would sell it and then be apt for us even when our city doesn't
want that to be done. It would be interesting to collect information on, so I'm assuming when
the municipality engaged with FLOC that there was an RFP or RFI
that defined the requirements or interests that we had as Bloomington for this service that then Flock
responded to and then we came up with a contract, right? It's pretty standard. Would we be able to get
access to what the RFP or RFI was? What is the city of Bloomington? Why didn't we go to Flock in the
first place? What were we looking to accomplish? Sure. I would imagine it was what they were in. Sure,
but I imagine there's
there had to be bullet points. But a specific direct. Yeah. Another contract has been made public because
you can, it was redacted pretty heavily from when it was denied multiple times across public requests,
which was another alarm for all people been at nine. So, you know,
and then it was released and there was redactions. I don't know what an RFI or anything is, but I imagine
you could look that up and you would understand better. Yeah. From the city's perspective, is it possible
to access those procurement documents or that contract how that began? It just seems like our commission
focused on public safety. It would be
Interesting for us to know what it was the city was asking about relating to public safety and why we
went with flop in the first place. You can get it. Yeah, if it's available. Yeah, and I think you can
make those requests as well too. Yeah, as a person of the public. Yeah, awesome. Right. I mentioned
that this group can do it a lot better than I can. Nice.
Is anyone aware of other companies that do this that have more integrity, more security? I don't know,
none. Or maybe take the data differently, maybe? It's weird to want data when it's like, you want the
license plate for when a crime is committed, and then you can check in on it, but then you're like collecting data.
people do, but I don't know of any companies that are ethical or have more integrity in the surveillance
world. I imagine there are many, but also it's like closed-circuit things exist. I'm not a tech person,
so. We could look into it for our next meeting, and that would be like a reporter, just like, if anyone
has any ideas what they look into. I guess we could look into them, but
The lead means maybe they're going to find out. And I think if they're going to choose something, hopefully,
then a lot we can advise them. That would be great. If we could see that original document that you're
talking about before the next meeting, that's a very likely opportunity. Yeah, because it depends on
what they're looking for. If they're saying, if they're specifically saying, well, we want to be able
to track license plates from crime baby. OK, right.
Is it? No, we want to. We want to be able to follow up, but depending on what we're asking for, there
might be other solutions besides full time 24 7 remote surveillance that's clock based. There is an
article that said the things that they searched for because they even said that are the officers that
searched and when the hours they searched and everything, it was that detailed so.
If they can get that specific and say, like, if the officers are searching when they search for the
thing, then, I mean, that has to be what they were looking for. Yeah. Is the use of this system or how
it was used public knowledge? I mean, it was in an article that I was able to read online. I don't know
if the... They have the resolution. They have a resolution on also the memo. Yeah. The flop memo that came out.
I've been trying to read through it a little bit, and there's like a little portion about a little bit
about why they chose Flock, but then mainly the next steps. I think Flock was just presenting. They
went on a rapid, as a company, they were like,
We want to provide this everyone. So they went to the each municipality. It's practically a lot. This
is very fast. So I don't think a lot of people did or capable of doing tech due diligence because it's
such a new field. So that's where I think the reverse creating legislation around it is very, very secure
and comfortable to me. Does anyone know why
the committee has sustainability, our commission has sustainability included those? I don't know for
anything, yeah. I think there's just about, like, they included for public safety, but I don't remember
random they have that commission on sustainability is to promote and advance stable policies and they
were gonna speak UN
development goals. I was lost. I was, I was at the meeting and I think there's just one to take action.
And that's where it's like, at least the commission did. But that's what I was trying to back. We were
going to co-sign with them before to sort of help them with gathering. But there was, we could get to
meet up and talk about it. I don't know if they even spoke with a member of the public and read a statement
from a bunch of people.
But it was nice to see a group of people concerned about it, because also it went through hand. There
was another commission that approved the block cameras originally through the report of police. It didn't
go through city council. It didn't go through, because it wasn't required to. It just seems like, I
don't know, it has to do with sustainability. Sustainability is keeping
I think sustainability is loose enough. If you want people to work here, that's great. I think there's
plenty of ways to say it's sustainable. They have pillars, sustainability encompasses equity, justice,
democratic. It's pretty broad. I was trying to read through it.
That's what it looks like. I could see how that could happen, but this doesn't affect the environment.
I mean, they use AI, so yeah, it does. Block uses AI. But they use it not in a way that's been flushed
out of it. So they're jumping in on it. It's falsely created profiles through AI for people to go and
hold over when it's not when.
Is that because of electricity years? And the data centers. Data centers. I mean, AI is harmful in a
lot of ways. Sustainable is. It's a step. It's not a step. It's a step. Living is currently building
another one. Clear water is going to be drawn from Indianapolis. Sustainability is involved in a lot
of it. But also sustainability, I think, includes water sustainability as well.
R3DR are well-being. But it's all ample or at least in the right direction. So I think spinning down,
paying attention to how we move forward with it is an important program. I think also as a commission,
I mean, I think you guys make a promise that maybe we'll find other options that they're going to be
able to work with.
They owe PRs. If there are other ones to present. I think naturally, if the commission on sustainability
is able to provide something, then I feel like we should need more ground to do it similar to that.
Hopefully we'll do it, but with the LEED stuff and get some more arranged LEED stuff and get some more
information on that. I can attempt to get more information on other things.
Yeah. Even individually, I can look into some of the money. Yeah. Anything else you want to talk about
about that? Yeah.
We put in here a plan for work group sessions. I don't know if we have a need for one right now, and
or the capacity with staffing. And maybe once we have more on our next meeting, if we can all come up
with the reports on things that we have questions about and kind of bring more things to the table to
work on within the lead things, then we'll have potential for needing a work session on stuff.
I feel like we should vote on something while we have corn. Well, we wrote an email. And yeah, if we
can get whatever the RFI was that we used to engage with, I can certainly review that. I work in IT
and tech. I've had a lot of spreads lately. So we're talking words. I don't know what any of that is.
A request for proposal or request for information is a formal way to ask a company to bid to put together,
like, hey, here are 20 things that we want. Can you respond to those and say, this is how much we can
cost schedule scope resources to deploy the kind of stuff? Any topics for future agendas? Are still
working on?
Well, I want to come back to what you brought up about the case of what seemed like an excessive response
by the police department. They went through the approval process, and the police chief put out a statement
talking about what had happened step by step. It still seemed awfully excessive.
The police do call in and get special requests for use of force like that. Is there a follow-on review
process to identify if it was done properly and if it was acceptable that they responded and if they
did? Do we know that? I don't know. We should find that out. Yeah. I agree. But moreover,
The fact that the police went there shows us that they're still responding to domestic violence.
For sure. And I kind of thought that that wasn't supposed to be happening anymore. Or they're supposed
to be moving away from them. Probably to have anyone else to send.
Yeah, I guess I think if you call 911 and say, my wife almost stabbed me, it's probably going to be
the place to show up. I think until there's actual steps and alternatives or different kind of workers
hired into the system, I don't know. Would they still like to think if they were forced after that to
go with that person,
in the future, meaning without. It was the term that was on the research that Isabel did, where it was
like, there's without, with, and as a backup kind of thing, there was like different versions of response
that someone had to involve the police, but then there was ways to navigate and approach some. Yeah.
It would be interesting to learn about. Hopefully. The drone sounds odd, but thinking from a police,
I don't know. It's better than them shooting down the door and going in, right? I think so.
So a search warrant was secured for the residence in a critical incident response state. CIRT responded
to the scene to take the woman into custody. A remotely piloted aerial vehicle was sent into residence
to locate. Once located in her living room, she struck the REV down, knocking it out of the air. She
then grabbed the RPV and threw it against the wall, crushing it, causing significant damage to the device.
It was later taken into custody by members of the CIRT at approximately 1030 P. If I'm having a really
city day, if you send them being blind in, I'm going to respond in a positive manner. Right. It's a
fascinating thing that you send them in this drone that is
Aggressive. Yeah, nice that you have this aggressive boy coming in at me, but I don't speak. I don't
know how that really feels for me. That's the key word is toy. Well, every one month on your toy, that's
where it should be from. She is going to be charged the thousands of dollars for the destruction of
police property. Yeah. What was the drug supposed to do?
to give eyes to the police what's going on inside the foreman without risking themselves. When it's
something like that, the individual is going to have, like, you're underutilized nowadays for practically
anything, right? Like, you're ordered with all sorts of payloads. Yeah, I mean, there's not, like, a
piece of paper saying... Also, this woman was having a psychotic...
You're gonna send some alien-looking thing flying into the roof? How is that helpful? And it probably
broke the window. I'm sure. I don't know how it got in. I mean, it must have. I doubt she ever left
the door open, so it must have. They break the window, like these flimsy things. They can be hardened
in ways to make them, to militarize versions of them or not. As flimsy as the ones that...
So yeah, it's just a fascinating case. It seems like this is a group that would like to know more about
it. Yeah. Yeah. Like how are these decisions made? Like what are the parameters that make that, how
they make the call? Are we going to send a girl? Is this a good situation for sending a girl?
like parameters when they're in a situation with that extent beyond the general information gather they're
going to do about 911 calls or that because it's tangential to the call. Yeah, I don't know if we have
to deploy the information of the critical response. I don't know.
Because I think it could be. Do you have any reasons on that? What does the crisis, what does the crisis
negotiation team do? Well, how do they escalate? How do they get involved with the critical incident
response team, CIRT? What does that chain come in? Is there approvals required? Do things like sending
the drone in? Like, I think there's a lot of information on the website that we've kind of
that stuff where they like have to because of public information stuff. So, I think if you dig in there
as an IT person, when we're looking at it, it looks overwhelming to me that maybe some of that stuff
is in the police services, public reports, and things that are on the city website. Yeah, they're meant
to also be arduous to look at. Yeah. The lawyer used to be like, oh, watch, I can do this and I can
make them digestible but
So you might be able to adjust it better. So maybe that's something that you could. Yeah, for sure.
You could check in on and see what information you can gather and then report on. Yeah, that's fine.
We understand more about it than we can understand and how we can inform and or advise as a permission.
Especially if you consider a separate process, then 9-1-1 procedure only, I mean, it ends up knowing
even if the situation is ongoing,
Because, I mean, the situation that happened, it must have started with a 911 call, but then at this
point, it transitioned when they got a warrant or whatever. So it's not completely the same thing as
the week. I think it can be great to work into a warrant. Yeah, for sure. I can certainly bring a report,
maybe even a PowerPoint presentation. I'll make it easy, yes.
Okay. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps. Steps.
Steps. Steps.
to see what people who are, because I think if people are researching are off about this stuff right
now because of how far it can harm people. So I think there's gotta be some stuff we can look into and
present. Eventually those three items for the next time, which is impressive. Which our next meeting
is, what calendar? I don't have one.
One, two, yeah, the 21st. The 21st? Yeah. And then if anybody else, people, I've been trying to get
people on with us. So I know there's still a couple vacancies. So if you've got people you think would
be good to have in the room and are interested, let's try to get them in here. Okay. Because the more
the better. Yeah. More hands and then we actually can start to section things off and figure some things out.
Sorry, maybe we can get maybe not to have subcommits. Yeah, 21st. Cool. Is everybody good for that one?
More with each other? 21st is good. I think I'll have to be virtual a lot of the time. Try to get them
remembering, but won't still be following us. That's 21st of May. Yes. Post-graduation, post-policy,
what steps get taken after graduation from fall and stuff. The uh the common council has that been released
that that's recorded right yes i've been
another. Okay, so I guess we can. How do we do that? I motion that we adjourn the meeting. I second it.