- So this is the Caps Commission meeting, June 18th, 2026, 4 p.m. Just for everybody to be aware, in the
- original notice it said we were going to be in the Kelly Conference Room. We've posted a sign at the
- Kelly Conference Room. We're actually meeting in the Allison Conference Room in room 225 of City Hall.
- Any questions before we begin? No? So I thought it was going to be live. Which it was.
- I can do that. If you all want to do roll call, if one of the co-chairs wants to call roll, that's great.
- And then I can go and monitor those. Or just you can go around the room and just announce that you're
- here. Kyle, co-chair. Michael Burton.
- Yeah, I'm Lauren Brownsburg. Good to see you. Sharon Rachel Baum, member. I got a question. Evan's our
- previous guy. All right, did everyone get a chance to... Did everyone get a chance to look over the agenda
- Yeah. Sorry, I was at the, uh, I was at the eye doctors and they did the drops and so my pupils are
- all. Yeah. So then we have to do the approval of gender, right? Yes. And that's a boat call. We have
- everybody, is there anybody joining remotely that's got a commission? I don't think anyone else from
- the commission is showing up. Yeah, so.
- We're going to make a motion to approve the agenda. All in favor, say aye. All opposed. And then it's
- approved. And then reports. Is there any report from Kenny? Do you have anything you want to report?
- I guess the only thing that would be that we're still figuring out how this all works. We have
- some hopefully some helping hands and or some directive people and ideas coming to keep this thing moving
- forward versus where it's been at. A couple of people on top of a couple of people post frustrations
- of the last meeting stuff, but it seems like maybe as stated, we didn't, the SS3 unique
- Do any members have anything they want to report? We've been waiting to meet, so. Staff, any reports?
- No reports from staff, thank you. And then public comment, I don't think we have anyone from the public?
- There's a couple members. Does anybody from the public want to comment? Please raise your hand. On Zoom,
- there's no one else in the room, so. Jesse?
- So the only old business we have, because everything's kind of been ongoing in our jump-skip of meetings,
- we're trying to hunker them down, the old business is the discussion of law force action partnership
- study and status. I know the last time we met was a couple months ago, and I know we were waiting on
- that to start, previously from the other information we'd been given. I do believe that in the packet there was
- more information given just kind of about the timeline on things, maybe to help answer some questions
- there. So if anybody has any questions about that, I know we were hopefully one of the stakeholders
- and it looks like we were in the three, four month area of when that information can start being shared.
- I don't know what to do next on that. I know that Council Member Isabel P. Monsmith has
- reached out about some of the information, but I don't know if anything has been really back or if there's
- been any open doors into that information as they're learning it. I'll take it as staff. We haven't
- received anything. Council member Daley has any updates on it, but we are happy to look into it. So
- for your next meeting.
- You know, we'll also request an update so we can give you an update of where they are in that process.
- Yeah, I was wanting to make sure that. I have to write an email again, which I don't think anyone enjoys.
- Yeah, we can do that. Thank you. I appreciate that. We'd love to know what direction it's heading as
- it's heading so we can also help participate as the citizens. The actual status, yeah. Yeah, I'm assuming
- they catch the chat and start the process. Yeah.
- We'll find out where they are in the process. That's great. Thank you very much. Is there anything anyone
- wants to talk about pertaining to that? I know we're on the wrong road. Can we clarify who is affiliated
- with us? Is it the council? There was a question about that in our last meeting. What do you think?
- Yeah, I don't really have to. Do we always have to have a lawyer here with us? You don't always have
- to. So it's not required by any stretch of the imagination. It's helpful sometimes. I'm here because
- understanding that your last meeting, one, we didn't have one last time. For what I understood, you'll
- have questions. And so I want to make sure someone was available to try to answer your questions to
- the extent I can't answer your questions to respond, to actually go get that information and respond.
- And you get into it, so you don't have to wait another month for it.
- In terms of regular functioning, the way there are different ways each commission functions across the
- city. And this can be either way. Just to be frank, one, you could have a staff of admin staff member
- assigned. Usually there's a liaison in this case. I think historically has been
- please correct me if I'm wrong, that has been that legal researcher slash assistant position in the
- council's office, has been that person to come set up the meeting, take notes, kind of send out the
- packets to you all, things like that. We don't have that position right now. We have a couple of fellows,
- one of them's online here, Evan. Evan is one of our wonderful fellows. We have another fellow from IU.
- They are part-time. They are students. They are here for the experience. And then I am part-time attorney
- helping out.
- the council is in the process of hiring full-time staff again. So we anticipate that that will be staffed
- up and likely, you know, to the extent you want, you can have one of the attorneys come here as well.
- You can either request it if you don't think you need one all the time or it can be a matter of course.
- There are some boards that like to have an attorney every single meeting to kind of guide the scope
- of the work, what the mission is, things like that. And we're definitely, that's a service that we provide
- and we're happy to be.
- So, and to the extent I'll be here, my guess is I will be with council office overlap with the new attorneys,
- the current plan. So I'd likely be here at least for another month and then possibly a little bit beyond
- for budget and try to help over our transition. So any, I'm asking you questions and anything you're
- telling me, I'm going to transition that onto the next person so that we don't lose that information.
- You guys have to go through this all again as a gap in information. So I apologize, that's a long-winded
- answer. Does that help? Is that helpful to you in terms of, yeah.
- As a matter of course though, you're correct in terms of the frustrations that were sent out. One,
- very sorry. I'm very sorry because we just left out here on your own. That's not fair. Two, packets,
- assemblies of agendas. Our staff should always be working with the co-chairs setting up that agenda.
- So if you have agenda items, make sure you're working through your co-chairs to make sure that's on
- the agenda. We'll send out an agenda with a packet if there's external materials.
- on a regular basis. Ideally, that happens actually more like a week before the meeting as opposed to
- two or one day before the meeting. Going forward, usually it's at least the time of the notice, which
- is 48 hours before the meeting. It's what we're going to assume at a minimum. But given your scope and
- what this commission does, I think as a matter of policy, it should be a week before. You all are digging
- through some dense reports.
- making recommendations carefully. That's a long, that's a lot to read through. And so it's, it's really
- unfair. You can only keep it 48 hours. What's happening? That's very helpful. This is one thing we're,
- we're not sure anything. You know what, man, that's been true to a lot of people. I've seen a lot of
- faces in the short amount of time. I have no idea. So didn't have the answers.
- Anything else pertaining to LEAP that anyone wants to chat about? So it's waiting for more information
- so we can actually chat about it. Okay, cool. Let's move on to new business. I guess this one would
- have been an old business as well, but I didn't catch that. The FOP cameras and contracts, I guess it's
- still new. We haven't really met. I know the last time we met, we had received notification that
- contract was not renewed. I know there's been some still some ongoing things with Flock itself that
- we have contracts for and or are still in a longer contract. Still kind of just sitting through all
- that stuff and paying attention, but I know that the legislation from council, which kind of spurred
- the reaction of all this stuff further
- I think they're working on that, and that should be something that we maybe can help with as that gets
- solidified. Isabel Piedron-Smith had said that maybe that's a better item for July once it's more formalized,
- so we can actually understand what that looks like and how that legislation or process will go. If anyone
- has anything to add to that, I know we talked about it pretty a lot there for a minute.
- Can you help us understand current state? Because my understanding was that the contract was not extended.
- The last time we talked, two months ago, it was still active. And I had heard that through little five
- weekends that we would still have the flood cameras active. And it seems like there isn't, as you were
- alluding to, some complexity. It isn't an off or on necessarily.
- state and that there are other contracts and other ways these might be used. It would be nice to have
- a breakdown, just like a clear, crisp understanding of what the status of the flock cameras are now
- and then what the next steps are here. Is that something you can help with? Absolutely. So we have reached
- out about that information a little bit. We've been trying to gather information generally as well.
- What we have so far, very similar, like the contracts have been terminated. Those are done.
- Some flock cameras have been removed. There's an open question about cameras that are stationary around
- the city and what contractors are governed under, and some that are governed maybe not under flock itself,
- but maybe under different providers. And so we'll try to get that information. So you actually have
- some details of what those look like. The other thing is, to your point, we have a council that are
- working on legislation that would be encompassing regardless of manufacturer or system, potentially regular.
- And it puts that ends. One of the things that I was curious about, and I just apologize, I don't know
- how to get to this information, but I was assuming when the flock contract was originally set up or
- these other contracts with different vendors were set up, that the city probably went through some sort
- of RPR, RFI process, which indicates that there probably were sometimes some requirements or some sort
- of expectations going into that review process.
- I think it's interesting to know what those were and what that RPR5 process was. Certainly political.
- Request for information or request for quote is a way that an entity can engage with multiple companies
- to get a quote. I'm like, hey, we have a need for security cameras, right? And they can send out this
- packet to flock into other people, companies, and they will respond with a presentation or a quote
- that outlines how they can meet those requirements. And I'm just curious about how that process works
- and if there's still like a desire to go forward to resolve those requirements in another way. Yeah.
- And the other issue we're looking into is, because there are other assets in our community, I think
- that you're well aware of. So by both Monroe County and IU. And so what access does the city have to
- those systems as well?
- Yeah, I can pull the out. I don't know if it was an RFP, but if it is, then we'll pull that and have
- that information for you for next time. Thank you very much. I would guess in this case, it'd be more
- likely to be an RFP than an RFI, but yeah. Before, there's still some things happening, but I know the
- replacement
- We were kind of looking at what other companies are good in that field, and turns out they're not. But
- I think that's where it's nice that the council is talking about the future, the longevity of the plan,
- so that it's like, when can tech be, when and how can tech be put into city use without the proper checks?
- So hopefully, seeing the legislation will be nice too. It's such a powerful,
- And I know that there are multiple stories and cases where it has been very helpful, right? You know,
- locating people, finding, you know, identifying cars where there was, you know, potential, you know,
- kidnapping going on and we knew this crime and it was able to find that car, right?
- But as we all know, from what we're supposed to be doing with this mission inspector discussing the
- challenges of that technology and making sure we're comprehending those and that those are taken into
- consideration because it's such a scary technology as well. I said absolutely nothing about biologics.
- Yeah, yeah. I was like, if we don't talk about it, then where are we going to figure it out?
- I think that's on the right direction. Thank you for listening to city council. Yeah, thank you for
- creating this comprehensive view of it both sides. I don't even know some of the words that we were
- using earlier, so it's good to learn those things. Yeah, it looks like on the city website there is
- also like the official FLOC statement as well. And then usually this is, so there's a search channel
- for the subject.
- Always more, but excited to see the legislation and see how we can create a better future for everyone
- with that. Okay, then that's the big one. The next, is everyone cool on the thought conversation? Is
- there anything anyone else wants to add or pick apart before we get all the information for next time?
- So what are we expecting to information for next time? Well, it sounds like we're going to get some
- some of the clarity questions of like, we'll try to give you what's the current status is. So to make
- sure are there any cameras still existing? What can we gather about any other systems that are in place?
- Whether there's an original RFP or? Already said there's already been in the report that we got yesterday
- that there's cameras that still exist and that they share information with
- that the motor company shares office and I use, they'll have block cameras and then share, that we share
- information. Just because Bloomington doesn't have that agreement doesn't mean you can't receive it.
- Yeah, it doesn't mean that they're not still accessing that information through resources. I mean, I'm
- not starting there. No, no, you're good. I'm just trying to set, these are the, we'll try to put this
- all together in one,
- kind of report for you when we come back and kind of verify that, put it all together. Easier to digest
- when there's actual answers and problems? Shockingly, yeah. That way. Those are the main points that
- I think we're bringing back to you. And then if there's any update on legislation, we'll also put that
- up. And does the city of Wilmington have any influence over what IU can do or can't do? I shouldn't say no.
- It's not zero, but it's not a lot. So IU is a separate statutory entity, obviously. They have their
- separate police force that they completely govern. So from that standpoint, the city of Bloomington
- has no authority to tell IU what to do. There is obviously a relationship between the local units of
- the city, county, and IU. They do meet frequently at an executive level, have those items discussed,
- so that could also be
- a point of discussion to hear with and with council is to the extent that, you know, informally,
- you know, call town-gown meetings. And to the extent that those town-gown meetings have to be an agenda
- item for, to try to request that the executives have that conversation and then bring us some information
- as possible. I know that that's not a satisfactory answer, but that's the answer. It's our answer, which
- we're pretty well, yeah.
- Thank you for gathering that stuff for us as well. And then the next item is the safety report that
- was published by the mayor's office recently. We haven't had a chance to read and go over that as a group.
- I was doing it in the first few reads this week. Once I was reminded of it, did everyone get a chance
- to read it? It's a lot of statistics, which is hard to totally absorb. Right. I thought it was interesting
- that crime in general over all of the staff that violent crimes were of. Yeah.
- I was trying to zoom out to see where it was, and it was pivoted from the ups to the downs, and I was
- like, wait, what? And so there was a lot of percentages where I was like, I don't... Yeah, I think it
- was just interesting to... This information's pulled from the dispatch in it. Dispatch was 12 out of
- the 16 other things, and there were 12 people in the dispatch. Yeah, I was like...
- I was like, I knew they were missing staff. I didn't realize they were missing the majority of staff.
- But I guess that's because I don't know much about the dispatch. They were always talking about it,
- and I was like, hey, maybe that's why they can keep them, because it sounds like maybe they're doing
- a lot of work. Yeah, which I just thought was intriguing that that large gap was
- dispatch while we're gaining our gap of the police force. I also know that from a 911 perspective, right,
- there are a lot of complexities and maybe some vagaries between, like, there isn't just one 911 instance,
- right? There's different, like, elements of that and understanding how they, I am a little confused
- by how they interact with each other.
- you know, once calls come in, how do they get dispatched into it? How do they get dispatched? So I think
- it's a complex story around how the different dispatch units work together here at Southern Indiana.
- I mean, it obviously does, right? The calls come in and resources get dispatched out, but yeah, it's
- a little opaque how that system works and what the,
- So then when it comes to understanding like from the lead effort and how we integrate with that, I think
- being able to have more clarity about how the discussions work together is going to be helpful for us
- in understanding what the response is, what they're going to be saying about this. Does that make sense?
- Sorry. Sorry.
- Yeah, I think we can look at all these numbers, but we actually providing how the none of us now dispatchers
- without some kind of like firsthand. Yeah, knowledge and I know we've wanted to talk to someone, especially
- around the idea that part of dispatch supposed to be social workers.
- Dispatch work, do the police department. They assign everything. Okay. Because they're part of the non-sworn
- staffing, right? Yes. Do you know if there's any movement on getting more staffed or how, compared to
- what it seems like, the effort to incentivize police and the fire department to get them staffed up,
- Dispatches. Yes, there's been a there's been a coordinated effort to make some updates to dispatch.
- I know the deputy mayor was just touting some of the Head wake that they made in that regard the other
- day. I don't know what the current staffing levels. So remember, this is a 20 report about the status.
- I think it's more staff.
- and then what's reflected in this report. Once again, we try to obtain more information. If you all
- would like to potentially invite someone who knows something about dispatch to attend a meeting, invite
- them to come and give a briefing on that. The other question I have for you all is I know in the past
- you all have written responses to this report over a period of time and published those. Is that something
- that this board is interested in doing as bringing this back for future meetings, especially
- Writing your own response to this or is it more just diving into the numbers a little bit more at this
- point? Are we going to get a new response to our response or is that it? I can't tell you that for certain,
- but we certainly won't if we don't put a response at it. I guess at the time, I can't even conceptualize
- doing that based on where we are as a committee anyways, or commission anyways. So it's like hard to
- imagine being like, oh yeah, we have
- the time to respond and figure it out without but I guess it's like we could all write on our own and
- then bring it to each other it's not against to talk about those ideas to then try to formulate stuff
- or one of the ways that could work so to not violate open door laws of course is if you if you do have
- something wants about it and then put it on the future agenda if you want to send it to us we could
- co-link those all together and it could go out and the next packet that that way you could kind of have
- a look at all around each other
- and then start to correlate that and give us some direction about how you'd like that to look at the
- California. If you want more information, please just let us know and we can try. I mean, again, I can't
- make promises of what I feel we will put out invitations out there and work with council members to
- potentially get you the information. So my review of the document isn't as comprehensive yet as I would
- like it to be.
- like a couple of passes that I made through. I don't see any statistics or information associated with
- minorities associated with the statistics that we've got. Was it there and I missed it? I think that's,
- it's not in this one, but I've seen it on the city website as well. Have you done it around the city
- website? Not yet. But that'd be something that it's in suspicious between some
- technology forward. When I look at it, it looks like gibberish diving into the files. But the thing
- is that there was breakdowns of lots of that stuff in there as well, because it has to be on there.
- So that's in the part of the website. I think you can look up whole sections of things that have to
- do with the police, the response, all that stuff. I know there's one in here about
- that I looked through and I started seeing maybe some breakdowns of. What's that URL? It's just the
- Bloomington.in.gov. And then in the information, yeah, because everything has to be on the website.
- You have to have the information sharing. I guess there's some things that are hidden until requested,
- but another police journal is in there. And that was something we looked at previously. OK. I think you'll
- maybe be able to process and lots of other than us. Honestly, the only mention of minorities in the
- report is our tradition that we exist, right? Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I know it's somewhere in there.
- It's a website that I'm still learning. Check that out, because I think that's where I was like, you
- might be better at digging up when we actually load more information
- When I go in, it's chaos. Yeah, and my co-host is telling me anything. There is a note that there's
- a data portal on the City of Millicent's website that usually is all the databases combined. It's data.borgington.io
- and that'll take you directly there. You can kind of browse a broad category of data. I don't know if
- that's where you found this, but I'm just looking for it right now, but generally, there we go.
- helpful in the beginning of the circular flush some of us about sure sure yeah research and research
- can. What there are variety of data points in that.
- catalog culture service, accident, citizen points, officer involved shootings, domestic violence,
- et cetera, that you could go through. And if you do have specific questions, again, please reach out
- to us. How do I, how does one reach out to you? If you want to reach out to me directly, it's
- just larry.allen at homington.com. We also do see, we all monitor the council.
- Council members see that, but also council staff has access. Now we're in a courier council based mission.
- Yes. Thank you, sir. Yeah, be careful when we're starting threads. Nowadays, we were lost in the sea
- of threads. I think we'll have a very
- symbols for each agenda back in and stuff like that. We can look in. As we've talked about for an individual
- council member, so I just be reaching out, it should be a... I think you can reach out if you have questions
- personally about anything. I think it's going to start to get a few people in the email, then it starts
- to break the open door law of mechanic decisions. There's an ambiguity into the open door law with the
- email. So it's like, you're going to want to email to set up meetings. And I think we can email because
- we're setting up
- The agenda, the end. That's why email, like when your feedback for this report, email to us as opposed
- to each other. So receiving information counts as one of the official functions for the door law purposes.
- That's why email violates the door law is you are receiving information by sending emails. Agenda scheduling
- is okay, but typically any other information is prohibited without an official meeting notice. Okay,
- so the safest way.
- is to send it directly to us and we can, we can always disseminate information out to you. It's just
- you sharing information, because I'm not public. The state of India doesn't care if I send you information,
- but they care if you send each other. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is everybody, is it a requirement now that everyone
- on the commission is going to have to take the training that was sent out by Jennifer? It would be really
- ideal, because it's
- I'll just say it is a long sale, just understanding the various parts, the way the boards function.
- If you don't have time, if you want, if you need other assistance, again, please reach out. We can try
- to coordinate with you to get you that information or get you at least like the presentation you can
- look through so you have some information. But if you do have the time and ability to attend it, I would
- encourage you to do that. What important you met? She sent out the invite to everyone on commission,
- so you should have had it in your email.
- with a couple of dates that were the in-person nursing dates. I know they already did. There might be
- another one. I did it a couple weeks ago. I sent it for the one that came right after our last meeting.
- The invite for the commission training. I went to one of the in-person, I came to the council hall and
- did it. It was something really like, oh, well there's the direct answers to a lot of the questions that I've
- But maybe one, okay. But I know you said they're gonna do it again, probably, and or? I hope so. If
- they don't, though, we can send you the presentation. Or honestly, if you all missed it, and there's
- enough of you interested, we'll just bring you in, and I can do you the orientation. It's no big deal.
- Yeah, the PowerPoint was very helpful to set up a slide about open door law things and other questions
- pertaining
- And just so you know, that kind of training, whenever you're trying to be a board of commission member,
- that does not have to be open door law. It's a specific exemption at the board of law. So you can be
- trained on how to be a board member without violating. Okay. I'm fun at parties, really. Well, for my
- birthday. You want some open door wall quiz? Whatever, okay.
- I would say let's get you a better party. Well, this is bright a week before Christmas, so you can do
- trivia and gifts. That sounds fun. This is the present and a birthday present. I enjoyed it. It's always
- very helpful. I very much could have missed it. I don't know if I could if I can.
- I have a note, I put a note here to follow up with Jennifer, and then I'll send an email out to you
- all about it. I'm also not on this list of officers serving on the committee. Okay. It seems like my
- name is not here. And while I'm here, can you meet on the website? What's it again? Camilla Brown, Sparks,
- Robert Fernandes, Day, Eric. Is it the Packard or the website? Packard. I'm so sorry. Thank you for
- alerting us.
- Well, yours are your own website, for sure. Okay. And I will have another vacancy, too, so if, you know,
- a lot of people leave you to mince a joint, it makes this more of a harder conversation, more hand-to-hand,
- global things. That would be awesome. I've tried. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to spend before, too. Nothing's
- happening. Sorry. What else do we have?
- Yeah, right. And Robert couldn't data so longer. I was like, yeah, that's the packet. Yeah, that's the
- packet. Jason, it's just an old one. So what am I going to do? Five of us now. What? Five of us now.
- It's Tarsin. Yeah. Did Tarsin leave? No, Tarsin's still, Tarsin's just traveling. Right. But they didn't
- resign the email that I saw.
- We got one, which is not, because we need to get more people, we can make it. Some, if we know people.
- Yeah, spread it out. The last two decades, the same, those three months. Yeah. Okay, do we want to move
- on from, or move into our next, so I think we can have, maybe read the safety report more, and that's all.
- start to figure out some other questions that we have about things as they pertain to all the other,
- because it pertains to FOC as well as the LEAP study and things we're trying to continue to work on.
- So maybe we'll continue that as one of our threads into everything else. The next business, new business
- is the resident health and safety issues. We've got two bullet points under there.
- Um, I just wanted to kind of like keep the, the person who talked a little bit about the death that
- had happened outside of the bird and the barbershop. Um, I didn't gather much more information because
- that's what I saw on like Jeremy Hoeven's response and other people's responses, but, um, I'm going
- to continue to check that out as it pertains to what it is we do.
- and see where that story goes. But, bummer. Okay, I know winter, we have emergency shelters and other
- things that our city does help provide, but I know summer, that's something we don't have. The similar
- response to, especially with the heat and other tornadoes now in high school.
- I don't think there's an emergency shelter for overnight. And I know the city says that they put out
- the water stations after a certain temperature, but I know that didn't happen with the ones that climbed
- up last week. So the more and more as people struggle outside,
- And with money now, you can't revive all of the other neighbors. Yeah, so I think something to pay attention
- to is that pertains to how our houseless neighbors and other neighbors are kind of being taken care
- of through those versus being fully ignored. But I saw the banner in the mayor's office, the TV saw
- off. So let's hope we're doing that.
- That's, I just wanted to bring that up as part of the meetings, that it's something that we can continue
- talking about as we move through summer and also through the responses and alternatives to police and
- how we can support other folks. I'll keep looking at the case to see what unveils itself and what kind
- of response we get from the city itself. The next one under that is,
- I'll see. I did have the drum usage one. Oh yeah, you got some stuff on that? Yeah, I did have set the
- clock about it for you. Yeah, yeah. So you want to continue through your section and come back to it?
- Sure. So you want to, after we can, let's see, you want to go to the, or do you want to do this one
- first? I do not care. There was one in the gym, so we're checking that. I think we put it on there,
- but. Um, so there's, right, there was- Oh, I skipped it there. I'm sorry, that was my fault. No,
- it's okay. That's fine. Let's jump back.
- So this is related to the drug use, and a little bit more about it, too. So the incident was on April
- 6, 2026, with the woman's name is Heather Engel. There was a six-hour police standoff here in Bloomington
- that involved a 37-year-old woman who barricaded herself inside a South Rock port home on April 6, after
- allegedly catching her boyfriend outside with knives, chasing her boyfriend outside with knives. Police
- used a drone to locate her before the incident.
- So instead of timeline, there was an initial call. We came in at 4.30 PM. Police were dispatched to
- the home, the 2,000 block in the south of Brockport Road. A 53-year-old man told dispatchers that the
- woman, later identified as Heather Eagle, had chased him from the house while armed with two kitchen
- knives. Arriving officers observed that the woman was inside the residence with a knife. She refused
- to cooperate or communicate with the crisis negotiation team, locking the barricade
- her doors. After securing a search warrant, the department's search for the critical incident response
- team sent a remotely piloted aerial vehicle inside the home to find her location. After the drone located
- her, she reportedly squandered it down out of the air, grabbed it, and smashed it against the wall,
- causing significant damage. Officers then deployed chemical gas into the residence to force compliance.
- At about 1030 p.m., she crawled out of a window and was taken into custody without further physical
- injury. Charges were, as she was booked into Murrow County Hospital Jail, preliminary charges included
- intimidation, a Level 5 felony, domestic battery, Class A misdemeanor, and criminal mischief, Class
- A misdemeanor. So what I was trying to understand, and this might be another area where you can kind
- of help, right, is that
- what I was trying to understand is what is the escalation process by which the cert or officers can
- use things like putting a drone into someone's house or using chemical weapons to get a person out of
- a facility. What I was able to find is that officers can make
- decisions in the moment with relatively little escalation and they believe that their personal safety
- is involved. But the way I was, what I was able to find kind of research wise talked about a more of
- a circular escalation process than a rather sort of straight up and down process. But it talked about
- how when we use something like drones or chemical agents as part of an arrest,
- that there should be some sort of documentation, some sort of post-event evaluation. And I couldn't
- find that. And I didn't know what the tools were to find such a thing. And so I think it would be, I'm
- interested in knowing how that works, that we send drones into someone's private residence, tear gas
- into a private residence, if she is
- in her house, what is the risk to officer safety at that point? How does that work from a timing perspective?
- Obviously, these are tools that are, again, very valuable to be used, but it just seemed a little shocking
- to me that we sent a drone in and it was destroyed. She's obviously going to be made to
- pay for the drone against our house. I'm sure it's part of the range of the case, but I would love to
- be able to get more information specifically about the case rather than sort of theory of operations.
- So about this specific case as opposed to generally how these forces go? Yes. We could do that. I don't
- have any specific case right now.
- But that's what I've been able to find out. Do you have any questions for me on that report out? Starting
- to look like it looks like in the data set that there's some information about the UAVs flight data,
- but I also can't read it myself. Something I'm not gonna be able to read better if you get in there.
- It does seem like it might violate
- rules of search and seizure or something like that? It probably doesn't. So there's going to be two
- paths, kind of, which is one is imminent threat of danger. So that counts to both yourself and others,
- potentially. And so that creates what's called an exigent circumstance in which the officers may be
- able to enter the facility or the building. This would count as an injury.
- So, you know, and instead of using an officer to enter, you're using another device center. The other
- path obviously is a warrant. You could potentially get a warrant if she started to heal somebody, you
- don't believe there's negligence of circumstance. Justifying that, though you have probable, probable
- to crimes but committed, you can go to the judge and apply for a warrant at the time. This sounds probably
- more like it fit in the, I don't know, I'm not claiming that I know. It sounds like it probably fit
- more in the exigent circumstances than it did a warrant, just because someone
- So if someone came running out a threat for their life, if there were statements of threats, generally,
- and I know this is too much theory and you want more specifics about this, use of force, the reason
- why you don't see that necessarily is that that is governed a little bit by a novel that use of force
- with you, typically governed by a standard operating procedure within the police themselves. And so
- once the use of force is deployed,
- you know, whether it's lethal or non-lethal use of force, it does have to be documented. It is reviewed
- by two supervisory officers. If there is, I believe it's injury and or death, so I think it's even injury,
- but please, I'll double check all of this to make sure that I'm 100% right. I'm just gonna give you
- my off-the-cuff memory. If it's injury or death, then the supervising officers are to review my Cambridge.
- at that point to make sure that the use of force is correct. And then they have to sign off on the report
- on the use of force. But that documentation typically resides within the police force and within the
- file itself. It's not just put up on the website. So that's one of those issues. I'll try to get more
- specific information about this case if we can and check it out. It could be that with the way the SOPs
- are written and work structures are written, processes where
- I was just, as part of what I do on the caps, it would be nice to follow up and just validate how that
- process went and have someone check on it. Because I don't know if many people know how to work. So
- that's what I would like. Yeah, that's great. Sorry, just to make sure if you had something else, I'm
- going to make sure I capture it. I think that was an ellipsis that time.
- So I think that's it for me for that report out. But I'm on whatever I'd love to, yeah, get more information
- and we can maybe see where that goes. Yeah. We'll definitely make the attempt. All right. You want to
- move on to the next item on the agenda? The next item is about
- a family reunification while I'm the best of the child. There was a best when Peter Brown, she, well,
- I guess I would like her to come with me because she can do a better job of time. Yeah, I bet there
- is. And then we'll turn it on. You could recognize her. Yeah, that's okay. This isn't gonna be an easy.
- Hello. Hi, thanks for being here. I'm Coyus Murphy. I'm his grandmother. He was the little boy last
- year in August that was told to watch his little sister breathe when the mother put her in the bed every
- 10 minutes and made the notes if anybody remembers.
- And the following day, they found the baby unresponsive, a three-year-old. She got into this drug called
- Spice, that they had laying in the baby's reach. And Carrie was talking to me with kindness. When they
- start crawling and reaching, anything from the door knock down, the lost student, everything grows up.
- She hit the door. And consequences is, we lost a sweet little girl. Pius was taken from us, his father,
- my son, Rappler. On the 25th of December, 2024, with an alleged, he hit me in the head and consequences,
- I have a broken ear drum.
- Prior to that, Caius complained of not hearing me. He couldn't hear. And I was cooking the day that
- he got injured. My other grandson came downstairs and said, Granny, Caius and Taytay, that's his little
- brother, Plataeus, are upstairs screaming in each other's ears. And I said, what? I said, and I was
- on the phone with my friend.
- And I said, let me go see what the boys are doing. I said, that's not right. I turned the stove off
- and I was on my way up the stairs and I heard the screaming and she went, oh my God. So Tavius was coming
- out with his ear and he was sitting there doing his hair and laughing. Then I said, guys, what are you
- guys doing? And he said, we're just playing, granny. I said, no, no, no, you can rupture your hair down
- like that.
- I'm a retired nurse and I told, you can rupture your ear drum with that. You know, and not only that,
- he had a habit of going in the Q-tips and trying to clean his ears. And so I put him in my room. I caught
- him coming out of my bedroom, out of my bathroom. And I'm like, what are you doing in my room? Dude,
- you don't come in here and mistreat me. You know, and I was in the Q-tip and I took it. No, no. A couple
- of weeks later,
- I was calling him, and he didn't answer. I said, Kyle, is something you're talking to him? He said,
- no, Granny, I can't hear. I said, what do you mean you can't hear? Well, I can't hear out of my ear.
- I said, really? I said, OK, well, I'm going to make you an appointment to see the EMT and see what's
- going on. And I said, but I think when you guys were screaming, you probably damaged your ear. And then
- I constantly, I got sick in the midst of that.
- Christmas day, I saw him. The kids came and got me out of the bed. I had pneumonia, and I was hit real
- bad, but I was really, really sick. And so they came and got me so I could see them open new gifts.
- I go downstairs, and I spoke to Congress. I said, you're the only one that didn't give Granny a hug
- this morning. I said, come give me a hug. And he hugged me, and then I was planting his hair and scratching
- his head, and I said,
- Oh, you need a haircut. And he said, yeah, I need a haircut. And we laughed at it. But he offered me
- nothing about my head hurts. I'm dizzy. I can't hear. Just nothing. There was no bruises, no marks,
- no anything. At the time, he was nine. He's 10 now. Two days later, DCS,
- be by my door and the kids came upstairs and they said, mom, it's two people out here with the police.
- And I said, what? Two people out here with the police? And I said, okay, let me get up. And I go downstairs
- and Mr. Cummings was the one that was doing all the talking. The other DCS worker said nothing. And
- there were four state police out there. And I asked them, I said, why are you at my home?
- We came to remove the Najee and LaVette. And I got irony. I said, like, who you are? For what? And they
- told me, because of the abuse in the home, I said, where did you get that from? It came from the carer.
- I found out later it came from the carer's mouth, what she was saying to them. And I said, there's no
- abuse going on in my home. I can guarantee you that. I said, well, if there is abuse in the home,
- Why wouldn't the school report something? The neighbor, somebody. I said, I adopted my grandbabies and
- I've had them for 10 years. Wait, no problem. And all of a sudden now I'm abusing my babies. And so
- he looked at me, I said, well, the highest was gone. I found that out from the kids. I was like, well,
- who's on here? And the oldest one told me who was all in the house. I said, where's the highest?
- He said, Kira came and got him on Christmas Day. I slept for two days. I just straight slept for two
- days. I missed it. And I said, so what's going on with Coyoteus? And then he stood there. He wasn't
- saying anything. I said, if you want me to cooperate, you have to cooperate with me. I said,
- where's Coyoteus? He said, well, he's with his mom. I said, well, what's going on with him? Well,
- I can't say. I said, well, I bid you a good day. And I tried to go back to my home.
- And then he started talking. Eventually, my son hit him in the head, and from that, it was supposed
- to have been a ruptured beard trauma. I said, OK. Mr. Cummings stood there and said, oh, well, when
- he hit him, he temporarily lost his sight. And I just looked at him. I didn't say anything at first.
- I just let him talk.
- He lost his sight, and he got dizzy, and he passed out. And I said, oh, OK. I said, well, let me ask
- you this. I said, what's today's date, sir? He said, it's the 27th. And I said, two days now.
- And you said, he what, punched him, slapped him, hit him? What? He said, he punched him and slapped
- him. I said, OK, two days now? I said, now, in two days' time.
- If he did all of that, and this child has a rusted eardrum, he shouldn't have a black eye, am I correct?
- He said nothing. I said, you said he's white. Is there a handprint on my grandbaby's face? And he said,
- he just stood there. He said, no. I said, you can't accuse him of that type of horrific blow without
- something. Give me something. Give me a proof, something, other than what you're saying, because
- cops who was running around playing with the other children. So there was no loss of consciousness.
- He had no vertigo. He wasn't dizzy. His equilibrium wasn't off. And he was saying that his optic nerves,
- I said, let me stop you, sir. You do know you're talking to a retired nurse. And his eyes got big.
- And I said, uh-uh, uh-uh. Give it to me. I said, you're playing with a retired nurse. And I'm just not.
- I'm a very educated person, is what I told her. And what you're telling me doesn't match what was in
- my home. She came to a hospital close to Kentucky, this hospital, instead of taking me to IHIT. And
- Karen did all the talking. And from what I can read, my grandson was wrong.
- He was willing to say what she needed to get him out of the house. She's been trying to get this child
- away from him. Judge Braver took the babies. When Octavius, as an infant, his head, he got had a fracture
- skull. She called me when he had this poops egg on his head, wanted me to diagnose him. I said, uh-uh,
- you take them to the doctor. That's not a tumor. I said, that's a, he's bleeding. Take him in.
- I said, what happened to him? She said, well, I don't promise that. I said, well, then, if you didn't
- do anything, take me to the doctor. She braided to the next day, and she took him up to the Children's
- Hospital. And he took the kids away. And Ralph got Chi Chi. He was what, three, six, something like
- that. He hadn't been seven years straight, no problem, until the 24th, December 25th of 2024.
- And she'd been trying all kinds of methods to get them away. Had her not got sick and took that boy
- to the doctor, this wouldn't be, he's in DCS care now. He went to Cotavius' grandmother first. No, he
- went to his sister first. And then they took him out of that home and put him in their grandmother's
- home because she was doing the same drugs that they found in the home
- of her sister. Then she started getting sick, and they put my brother back in that one's house. So now
- Ralph doesn't see him. We haven't seen him since 24. And now I'm reduced to talking to him on Thursdays
- on the phone. I've been asking him, can I see him? And I'm not giving the right to see him.
- I even went on Christmas. I said, well, can't we just FaceTime? I don't have to physically see him.
- I just want to say Merry Christmas and give him his gift. No. But then I look on Facebook. He's so dumb.
- You know, they're giving rights. Ralph isn't giving any. I'm not giving any. I just don't understand
- it. So they did a drug test on my son, and they said he
- drop 30 for cocaine, who's not a cocaine user. My son is a flagger. And you know, flaggers are randomly
- dropped. He also does security. They randomly drop. He's never failed anything, for anything. And so
- when he asked for the results of that test, it took him four months to get it. They kept putting it off.
- putting it off. They went into court with that and said that he was dangerous and the judge removed
- his visitation and they didn't inform him. He had to ask why and then it was, oh well, you know, you
- have a positive drop of cocaine and he said, what? I heard false calls. He said, what? He said, I'm
- not going to do any cocaine. Where did you get that from?
- He said, well, I want a copy of that. Can you email that to me, please? And he was told that they would,
- and they didn't. When the, after Lindy got hurt, another DCS worker, Mr. Black, was put on the case
- because that case worker, I believe she was terminated because she didn't do the wellness checks that
- she should have done, and consequently, that baby got hurt.
- And Mr. Black was on a case, and we were telling him about it at the court. And I said, he can't even
- get the copy of the drug test. And they claimed that he failed. He went right into his phone, asked
- Ralph for his email, and sent it right to me, right there in the neck. Just as simple. So now my son
- is still fighting this alleged abuse. The MRI in the case,
- But they still don't charge him. I don't get it. And I told him, I said, well, do what you have to do.
- They wanted him to do six months of drug testing. And they wanted him to do the parenting. And then
- the last court date, the prosecutor put his Second Amendment rights down here. And he said, I don't do this.
- But she's not taking my amendment right away, because this has nothing to do with that. It's just true.
- You know, because he has to keep his fire on when he does his security. You know, so I was like, well,
- what does she got for not taking it? He said, Mom, I don't know. He said, I need that for work. Why
- is she asking for that? I said, I don't know. I said, tell your daughter to ask me. What is she doing?
- Why did she add that on? And he said, tell her to take it off. You don't just keep adding, you know,
- things when you're going to court.
- It's just awful. They asked him to remove himself from my house. He did. When they came, they said,
- you have to leave the home. He did. And when he was moving, Mr. Cummings came again to talk to me. At
- that point, he wanted to talk to the Nigerian vet. And I said, well, you know, they're in school.
- I said, you can go to the school. He said, Tommy, and she's over at Denver. You're welcome to talk to
- him. I have nothing to hide.
- Ralph was moving his things next to a neighbor had moved out and he asked him, he said, let me ask you
- now before I continue to move. Will it be okay or will it be a problem if I move next door? He said,
- I don't see why it's a problem. Then he used that against us. Kyle's can't come and visit because Ralph
- was next door. And I told the lawyer,
- And Mr. Black, with my lawyer sitting there, I said, he did everything that you all have asked of him.
- I said, and you keep moving your chest. You're playing champions. What are you doing? You're playing
- champions. I said, you asked him to move. He did. You didn't say go across the street. You didn't say
- go down the street. You didn't say go around the corner. You didn't say go in another county. You said,
- get out of my house. And that's what he did.
- And when he did, I changed my locks. He has no blue key to my home, and I have none to his. He doesn't
- come over. He has no reason to, and he doesn't. He doesn't come over right now. Every day, I see him
- leave, and I see him pull back in with that truck. And he, you know, I wait about, you know, if he sees
- me, I wait. But he doesn't come over for anything. Absolutely nothing. But they, you know, when Ralph
- swings the door, you kind of can't come over.
- I said you can't change the rules as you go. He did what you asked, you know, and and they're just every
- time you turn around it's something different. So the clients can't come to your house and you can't
- go to whatever it is. And they told me that I have to be monitored. If they give me visitations I have
- to be monitored.
- And then it's, you know, once after so long, they're sitting there watching us talk and interact, then
- it's a minute before they will leave us to ourselves. And I'm like, hold on, I didn't do anything wrong.
- I don't have a case. And why am I being treated like that? Why would you do that? And he lived with
- me for seven years. No, Ralph had me for seven years.
- But Caius was in my home all the time. Even as a little bitty, I taught him, I probably trained him.
- I probably trained him, LaVette and Denani all together. It was 10, 11, 12. Now it's 13, and Denani's
- 12 next month, and Caius just turned 10. So he'll be 11 in August. So it was 11, 12, and 10. So I probably
- trained them all together.
- And it's, you know, two that I have, especially kids. And it's a toll on, because it really, what if
- you come home? I don't know. You know, I don't know. Now when we're getting phone calls, yeah, they're
- excited, because they haven't seen or heard from them. Kaia's found me on Snapchat. And it was, it popped
- up while I was on my phone on Snapchat saying, hey, granny. I said, hey, granny. So I opened it. And
- it's good. So I called it, and we were talking.
- And then he looked up, I said, who's looking, who's standing there with you? And he looked at the same
- thing, I said, Kaize. He looked at me saying, yeah. I said, who's standing next to her? He said,
- Aunt KK. I said, oh, I thought nothing of it. She blocked from talking to me. She blocked him. Yeah,
- it's a mess. You know, I'm like, really? I nurtured him.
- The tigress was in my home from time to time, and that baby was in my home all the time. I would even,
- if she go home, and if I missed her, I would call Karen and say, I need Lucy, I need my missus fix.
- So she would bring her back, and she would stay two or three weeks with me. She was always in my home.
- And the last time we saw her was for her birthday in 24. Her birthday is June 7.
- And she was late to her own party. And I'm like, look at you, fast with those things. And when she realized
- I was standing there, she got excited and was running across the grass. And she was, grandma, grandma,
- grandma. And the family thought she was talking about Keira's mom because she was standing like right
- behind me. But she ran and jumped up in my arms. And everybody went, oh, wow. And she hugged me.
- pushed back and looked at me and smiled, and she hugged me again really, really tight and showed me
- her tiara. And we were just laughing. I said, come on, let's go pick all the kids you got. And then
- we walked over. So can you talk about this conviction, a CPS response on Kira Brown? Well, Kira got
- convicted for negligence. And she only received seven and a half years incarcerated
- And then she has to do four and a half once she's out. Is she not in the picture right now? Is she not
- in the picture right now? No, she's in jail. She's doing her time. She's in jail. And DCS is trying
- to take his and Katya's together when they never work. So they're making a family for him that was
- because he was always in my home. So they asked me at one time, Mr. Black called me and asked me at
- one time, would I take the children? And I said, sure. Why wouldn't I? You know, I said, Tay-Tay is
- always over here. Yeah, I'll take them. And he was going to go pick them up from school, bring them
- to me. I said, OK. Well, I'm out shopping. I said, I'll get some extra stuff while I'm out.
- And then there was nothing. Eight o'clock, I decided to text him. And then the supervisor sent for me
- to call her. And she told me that she decided to place the children in another home because Ralph is
- next door. I said, well, it didn't seem to be a problem before, so why all of a sudden is it a problem?
- I got a text message from Kyla's aunt saying that they took kids from me for drugs. And they're over
- at Katavius' grandmother's house, just so you know. Wow. And so recently, they just put Katavius and
- Katavius in the home with the aunt. She and I do know for a fact, she and her boyfriend both do drugs.
- And it seems it doesn't bother me.
- for some reason. I just don't get it. I don't know why I'm being punished. I haven't done anything wrong.
- I've always treated his siblings just like everybody else. I made no difference, no preference. Everybody
- is an equal. Even when it's a discrepancy, arguing or whatever, I settle it.
- And I tell whoever is wrong and make whoever needs to apologize, I make them apologize. Now you can
- go play, go, stop it. And that's the end of, I just don't, you don't do kids like that, you treat them
- equal. So I don't get it. I just don't get it. Carol did tell Mr. Cummings that I was aware of the alleged
- abuse that Ralph was doing. I said, I don't know what and where you got that from, but that's not true.
- Ralph works nights, and I have the kids, so that makes no sense, sir. And then when I talked to her,
- she let it slip. I said, oh, so that came from you? She said, well, that isn't what I said. I said,
- well, that's what he said you said, and he has no reason to lie on you. Why did he change what you said?
- I said, Carrie, you
- For me under the bus to save your own behind, I don't understand. You know, what are you doing? I said,
- why would you do that to me? She said, but I didn't say that. I said, he has no reason to lie to me.
- That's what he said, you told him. And that's what they believe. You know, so now my son is, he's quiet.
- quiet, he doesn't even interact with the family anymore. That's absolutely nice. He goes to court, I
- still go to court with him to support him in this court case, and we didn't talk about it, you know,
- and talk about strategies. I said, because we shouldn't even be doing this. Anytime the MRI is done,
- and then the radiologist gives their finding, and it's really saying that the
- The ruptured eardrum is not coming from that. There was no swelling in the ear. There was no blood in
- the ear. There was no drainage in the ear. There was none in the cranial cavity, which says it didn't
- come from there. He had a ruptured eardrum, but it didn't come from there. And I told that to the lawyer.
- She was insisting that there is blood. I said, ma'am, you need to read the medical records again.
- And she said, I read it, and I said, read it again. I said, because I read it once. And to make sure,
- I read it again. I said, and then I called my aunt, who was a retired x-ray technician, and I read it
- with her. I said, and she concurred with me. I said, and before you say anything, because she wanted
- to open her mouth and say, wait, before you say anything, not only is she a retired x-ray technician,
- I'm a retired. And she just said, yeah, you don't know what you're reading.
- I said, read the MRI. I said, in the findings, that's the radiologist reading that and giving what he
- see on the MRI. And it's not matching what was said in the emergency room. I told her, I said, somebody
- was lying. And it's not the radiologist. X-rays, MRIs, and CT scans, they don't lie. And so she just
- looked at it. And I told her, I said, to be honest with you, you don't have a case.
- But they're still trying to make a case. So, and that's where we are. I just talked to guys a little
- while ago. It's a Thursday, 1.30, the 30 minutes. It's not fair. Not fair. And I miss my grandbaby.
- I really do. And the kids miss him. The boys miss him. You know, they share a room together.
- Denaji is always asking, can I try FaceTime? Can I try to get on Snapchat? I said, you guys really aren't
- supposed to be on Snapchat. She lets him do Snapchat. I said, technically, you guys are not supposed
- to be on there. I said, but for the sake of some type of communication, we'll be on there until we can
- physically see him.
- Um, but no, I told him, don't you try to reach out, let him reach out, you know, because I don't want
- them saying that we're harassing him or, you know, because it was said that they, they were worried
- about me trying to, uh, change his mind about his safety. That's not true because if I thought that
- there was something wrong, my kids know I will speak up.
- Whether they like it or not, I will speak up. And I will tell my kids when they know. Yeah, I will.
- I will tell them when they're wrong. If I thought my son, I knew that something was wrong with college
- prior to. And if I didn't know that, and they told me that, and I thought my son did that, I would not
- go to court with him. He is on his own, because I couldn't help him. But I knew that boy couldn't hear
- prior to that.
- And she used it. She used it to get what she wanted. I testified. I told Judge Harvey prior to.
- She heard me. She ignored it. I told her on Easter Sunday, the kids were at Kara's place, and they were
- getting their Easter eggs. And the adults came out. They opened the door. The smoke came out. The adults came out.
- Then the kids came out and the wind blew it and I told them it was me and my wife. I know what I smell.
- She ignored it and she put my grandson in her arms. Like she put him in that house and she took him
- from our son and put him in that house. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you.
- Yeah, I'm sorry. Is there anything Council Commission can do? Because the CPS system is completely a
- function of the state, state, through the county boards. You know, this is a
- the commission largely purviews the boundaries of the city of Wilmington, how we do policing, how we
- do public safety within the city of Wilmington. So I think it's something you'll note on the record.
- I don't know if there's other things that you all have discussed in terms of that council members get
- out for happy to pass out on council members. I don't know if there's anything other than the purview
- of the CAHPS commission that's raising awareness of these types of issues in our community. We've reached
- out to everybody. I've left
- emails with the governor, as well as my friend Tiffany. I called and talked to the upmost of them. It
- was a dead end. I tried talking to the supervisors at ECS, they all stiffed us because they were trying
- to fix what was broken. We can't fix it because what you need is in a grave. You can't fix it. I don't
- care what you do with it, you can't fix it.
- The problem is in the grave, that little bitty girl. So you can try to cover it up. It's still there.
- It falls right back where you should have went in that home and made sure those kids were safe. And
- they didn't do it. And I know the police were not lying when they gave that report because she trashed
- a trailer the same way when she needed to move from there and didn't know how to do it or
- what she's going to do. And I said, well, come on. I'm going to sleep with you, though. I'll help you.
- I'll help you. And I went over and we went in the house. And I looked and I said, what did you all do
- in here? It was trash the same way. And the stench that they said, it was in that hall. And I had took
- the teenage boys, my grandsons, with me. And one of them wanted to say something. I covered his mouth.
- I said, we're not judging. I said, OK, here's what we're going to do.
- And I took her to, I said, we're going to Walmart. We're going to get gloves. We're going to get bleach
- and disinfectants. And we're going to get counseling. We're going to clean this place up. And so I told
- the boys, sleep. Don't touch anything. Sleep. Everything off the window ledges, on the floor. Because
- the same thing, they said the dog was in their home. It was the same way in the trailer. And I saw.
- And I said, just sleep. I said, don't just sleep.
- I said, bring everything to the middle of the house. I had to go back to my home and get hot water,
- but she had none. She had no water. In order to flush the toilets. Yeah. And I told her, I said, what
- time does Missy get off work? I said, she's doing the kitchen. I'm not touching that. The same thing
- they found in her home. They found it in, it was in the trailer. I witnessed the trailer. I never went
- in the home, but what I heard on the news and what I read in the report, it was the exact same thing.
- And I said, I don't know what happened after Ted passed away, which is Carol's father. I said,
- they just, they went down. They went, I don't know what happened. Missy kept a clean house. I don't,
- I don't get it. You know, I said, well, I know they're not lying because that was in the trailer. It
- was ripped, it was awful. And my son went over there and took pictures and stuff and to get his washer
- and dryer and he was just,
- video on it and i'm like oh my god i said ralph the trailer was the same one when we went over there
- and well we cleaned it up and we saved her from getting charged in that trailer but she got charged
- for that apartment yeah and i did everything i could we cleaned it up i bring the truck we loaded it
- up i went and rented a storage space we put her in a storage space you know and this has been
- turn around a year and a half later and that part of my son, I was like, well, that was, that's the
- thing that I get when he knocks. My greatest thing is that, you know, I want my grandson. I want Trace
- back where he was with us. Cause he was, you know, he was doing good.
- And when he got the curve, he wound up meeting three therapists. He wound up over there at the Mill
- Hospital. My daughter was there and she said, Kyus is there. And I'm like, what? What happened? That's
- the lesson there. I don't know, there was a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of stuff going on.
- And it was never like that when he was with us.
- learned when he got with her, it was mental issues that we had never seen before. And I'm like, I don't
- know where that's coming from. He does not need to be with them. Definitely not. So when Kaylee is,
- she's using, taking them places and stuff. She was the aunt that, come and I'll take you to the rural area
- I'll take you to the amusement park. She was that type. She's not a nurturing aunt. She's that aunt
- that will come and take them off mom's hands and take them somewhere. He just told me they went to the
- swimming pool, Kings Island, which is nice.
- So you have the contact information here you know if there are services that the city that you notice
- that the city can buy please reach out to us yeah but thank you for sharing this with us today i think
- we only have two two more items just to go over and these are more future agenda topics for future meetings
- these are both from council member pete mott smith and i don't know if she's talked to the co-chairs
- about this already i think you had mentioned it
- in your minutes from last meeting, you all knew these are coming. She's planning on holding deliberation
- sessions on public safety. The first one, the topic is, what is public safety on September 9th at 6.30
- PM? The second one is, how can the city advance public safety? That'll be on October 21st at 6.30 PM.
- Although those feel pretty far out, Councilmember Piedmont-Smith was really hoping that this commission
- could weigh in on how those should be structured.
- kind of those agendas, the topics of conversation and get feedback from this commission. She's out for
- right now, but I think in July, she might be back and be able to attend this and to kind of guide that
- discussion a little bit more. I just wanted to give you all a heads up that that's coming. It's in the
- packet, yeah. Yeah, it's in the packet, but we'll reiterate them that are September, October. But it's
- just to flag you that
- She's going to ask you for your input, ask you to participate in those. And that should be here in July
- is the next time. So speak about that. And then that next meeting scheduled currently is July 16th at
- four or five 30. Now this one is scheduled for the Kelly conference room downstairs, just so you all
- know. I don't know why maybe they're in conference. Every other one is an absent. Every other one is
- an absent. But next month for whatever reason is scheduled in Kelly four or five 30, of course,
- feedback, other questions that you think of outside of the meeting, please send them our way. We're
- going to work on this. Very similarly, we'll send out our draft agenda. And I may send that out a little
- bit early to the co-chairs. It's just a draft, just so you can see it and start editing it and have
- the suggestions that we have lined up for the next meeting. If you all do have individual questions,
- The last time we met, which was a while ago, we talked about getting results from, I think, from the
- police department about how many social workers are taking and that sort of thing. And somehow it kind
- of got dropped. It just fell off the agenda.
- So how many, can you help me, how many calls social workers are taking generally, or some specific time?
- At least, yeah. Okay, do you remember when we were going to talk about how effective they are and yeah.
- Okay, so how effective they are, how many calls are they getting?
- I think we were, the reason since we answered the question was because we're also tying on the leap
- questions we had back then, which are still the same questions we had back then. That'll answer, I think,
- some of those questions, hopefully. We'll find out, like, the actual... Will we get some more information
- about the idea of being included? I think it feels like it would be included, but also to the list of
- styles, work data, and information. I'm not sure if that's more...
- I think in terms of guests, it would probably make sense to space it out. So in terms of priority, would
- you rather have a dispatcher or a social worker here next time in terms of inviting somebody? We talked
- about dispatch, how dispatch work and having maybe somebody from there come and visit. Any preference
- about that? I feel like the dispatch will be helpful if we start to get that information, because that's
- the person, that's the thing I had the most questions about. But also the dispatch will have answers
- about who's
- When social workers, yeah. I just want to make sure our priorities are correct. If you're like, I want
- to hear from a social worker next time, then one doesn't show up. So we can extend the anxiety plenty
- of times instead. The discussion I think is probably, yeah. I also reached out to Boris Gilmore to find
- out what's happening with the new,
- But if you can get back to me, and I don't know who else to talk to about that. If anyone has any suggestions
- about not making contact to find out what was happening within their building. Well, there are more
- contacts than Beacon that could, because I know Force is just the one guy on top of this. There's a
- lot of people in the middle. So I feel like if you reach out, maybe a generic Beacon email, there's
- kind of something you're ready to, like,
- about the amount of work they're doing to get that moving. I know lots of the faces, but I don't remember
- names. So I don't know those keepers kind of send that. Okay. It has approached me to just go over there.
- I feel like they're upset. It might be a nice. What are the emails that are for you? That takes us to
- full time. So thank you all for spending an hour and a half with us, Adrian.
- enduring the chaos of it. In the meantime, we're happy also. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
- Thanks for your time.