WEBVTT 00:00:00.546 --> 00:00:07.279 - So this is the Caps Commission meeting, June 18th, 2026, 4 p.m. Just for everybody to be aware, in the 00:00:07.279 --> 00:00:13.882 - original notice it said we were going to be in the Kelly Conference Room. We've posted a sign at the 00:00:13.882 --> 00:00:20.615 - Kelly Conference Room. We're actually meeting in the Allison Conference Room in room 225 of City Hall. 00:00:20.615 --> 00:00:26.302 - Any questions before we begin? No? So I thought it was going to be live. Which it was. 00:00:27.234 --> 00:00:39.656 - I can do that. If you all want to do roll call, if one of the co-chairs wants to call roll, that's great. 00:00:39.656 --> 00:00:51.609 - And then I can go and monitor those. Or just you can go around the room and just announce that you're 00:00:51.609 --> 00:00:56.062 - here. Kyle, co-chair. Michael Burton. 00:00:57.154 --> 00:01:11.199 - Yeah, I'm Lauren Brownsburg. Good to see you. Sharon Rachel Baum, member. I got a question. Evan's our 00:01:11.199 --> 00:01:25.790 - previous guy. All right, did everyone get a chance to... Did everyone get a chance to look over the agenda 00:01:27.586 --> 00:01:35.866 - Yeah. Sorry, I was at the, uh, I was at the eye doctors and they did the drops and so my pupils are 00:01:35.866 --> 00:01:44.228 - all. Yeah. So then we have to do the approval of gender, right? Yes. And that's a boat call. We have 00:01:44.228 --> 00:01:52.590 - everybody, is there anybody joining remotely that's got a commission? I don't think anyone else from 00:01:52.590 --> 00:01:55.902 - the commission is showing up. Yeah, so. 00:01:56.642 --> 00:02:06.323 - We're going to make a motion to approve the agenda. All in favor, say aye. All opposed. And then it's 00:02:06.323 --> 00:02:15.909 - approved. And then reports. Is there any report from Kenny? Do you have anything you want to report? 00:02:15.909 --> 00:02:24.926 - I guess the only thing that would be that we're still figuring out how this all works. We have 00:02:25.346 --> 00:02:35.843 - some hopefully some helping hands and or some directive people and ideas coming to keep this thing moving 00:02:35.843 --> 00:02:45.844 - forward versus where it's been at. A couple of people on top of a couple of people post frustrations 00:02:45.844 --> 00:02:54.558 - of the last meeting stuff, but it seems like maybe as stated, we didn't, the SS3 unique 00:02:56.610 --> 00:03:05.090 - Do any members have anything they want to report? We've been waiting to meet, so. Staff, any reports? 00:03:05.090 --> 00:03:13.819 - No reports from staff, thank you. And then public comment, I don't think we have anyone from the public? 00:03:13.819 --> 00:03:22.548 - There's a couple members. Does anybody from the public want to comment? Please raise your hand. On Zoom, 00:03:22.548 --> 00:03:26.206 - there's no one else in the room, so. Jesse? 00:03:28.674 --> 00:03:36.119 - So the only old business we have, because everything's kind of been ongoing in our jump-skip of meetings, 00:03:36.119 --> 00:03:43.213 - we're trying to hunker them down, the old business is the discussion of law force action partnership 00:03:43.213 --> 00:03:50.307 - study and status. I know the last time we met was a couple months ago, and I know we were waiting on 00:03:50.307 --> 00:03:58.174 - that to start, previously from the other information we'd been given. I do believe that in the packet there was 00:03:58.562 --> 00:04:06.238 - more information given just kind of about the timeline on things, maybe to help answer some questions 00:04:06.238 --> 00:04:13.763 - there. So if anybody has any questions about that, I know we were hopefully one of the stakeholders 00:04:13.763 --> 00:04:21.664 - and it looks like we were in the three, four month area of when that information can start being shared. 00:04:21.664 --> 00:04:28.286 - I don't know what to do next on that. I know that Council Member Isabel P. Monsmith has 00:04:29.026 --> 00:04:35.074 - reached out about some of the information, but I don't know if anything has been really back or if there's 00:04:35.074 --> 00:04:40.726 - been any open doors into that information as they're learning it. I'll take it as staff. We haven't 00:04:40.726 --> 00:04:46.378 - received anything. Council member Daley has any updates on it, but we are happy to look into it. So 00:04:46.378 --> 00:04:47.678 - for your next meeting. 00:04:47.906 --> 00:04:54.036 - You know, we'll also request an update so we can give you an update of where they are in that process. 00:04:54.036 --> 00:05:00.345 - Yeah, I was wanting to make sure that. I have to write an email again, which I don't think anyone enjoys. 00:05:00.345 --> 00:05:06.357 - Yeah, we can do that. Thank you. I appreciate that. We'd love to know what direction it's heading as 00:05:06.357 --> 00:05:12.666 - it's heading so we can also help participate as the citizens. The actual status, yeah. Yeah, I'm assuming 00:05:12.666 --> 00:05:15.582 - they catch the chat and start the process. Yeah. 00:05:16.194 --> 00:05:25.016 - We'll find out where they are in the process. That's great. Thank you very much. Is there anything anyone 00:05:25.016 --> 00:05:33.755 - wants to talk about pertaining to that? I know we're on the wrong road. Can we clarify who is affiliated 00:05:33.755 --> 00:05:42.078 - with us? Is it the council? There was a question about that in our last meeting. What do you think? 00:05:42.306 --> 00:05:47.451 - Yeah, I don't really have to. Do we always have to have a lawyer here with us? You don't always have 00:05:47.451 --> 00:05:52.595 - to. So it's not required by any stretch of the imagination. It's helpful sometimes. I'm here because 00:05:52.595 --> 00:05:57.842 - understanding that your last meeting, one, we didn't have one last time. For what I understood, you'll 00:05:57.842 --> 00:06:02.936 - have questions. And so I want to make sure someone was available to try to answer your questions to 00:06:02.936 --> 00:06:08.131 - the extent I can't answer your questions to respond, to actually go get that information and respond. 00:06:08.131 --> 00:06:11.646 - And you get into it, so you don't have to wait another month for it. 00:06:11.746 --> 00:06:18.140 - In terms of regular functioning, the way there are different ways each commission functions across the 00:06:18.140 --> 00:06:24.472 - city. And this can be either way. Just to be frank, one, you could have a staff of admin staff member 00:06:24.472 --> 00:06:29.438 - assigned. Usually there's a liaison in this case. I think historically has been 00:06:29.570 --> 00:06:35.060 - please correct me if I'm wrong, that has been that legal researcher slash assistant position in the 00:06:35.060 --> 00:06:40.550 - council's office, has been that person to come set up the meeting, take notes, kind of send out the 00:06:40.550 --> 00:06:46.370 - packets to you all, things like that. We don't have that position right now. We have a couple of fellows, 00:06:46.370 --> 00:06:52.025 - one of them's online here, Evan. Evan is one of our wonderful fellows. We have another fellow from IU. 00:06:52.025 --> 00:06:57.844 - They are part-time. They are students. They are here for the experience. And then I am part-time attorney 00:06:57.844 --> 00:06:58.558 - helping out. 00:06:58.786 --> 00:07:04.286 - the council is in the process of hiring full-time staff again. So we anticipate that that will be staffed 00:07:04.286 --> 00:07:09.579 - up and likely, you know, to the extent you want, you can have one of the attorneys come here as well. 00:07:09.579 --> 00:07:14.975 - You can either request it if you don't think you need one all the time or it can be a matter of course. 00:07:14.975 --> 00:07:20.164 - There are some boards that like to have an attorney every single meeting to kind of guide the scope 00:07:20.164 --> 00:07:25.717 - of the work, what the mission is, things like that. And we're definitely, that's a service that we provide 00:07:25.717 --> 00:07:26.910 - and we're happy to be. 00:07:28.098 --> 00:07:33.607 - So, and to the extent I'll be here, my guess is I will be with council office overlap with the new attorneys, 00:07:33.607 --> 00:07:38.866 - the current plan. So I'd likely be here at least for another month and then possibly a little bit beyond 00:07:38.866 --> 00:07:43.925 - for budget and try to help over our transition. So any, I'm asking you questions and anything you're 00:07:43.925 --> 00:07:49.033 - telling me, I'm going to transition that onto the next person so that we don't lose that information. 00:07:49.033 --> 00:07:54.292 - You guys have to go through this all again as a gap in information. So I apologize, that's a long-winded 00:07:54.292 --> 00:07:57.598 - answer. Does that help? Is that helpful to you in terms of, yeah. 00:07:57.922 --> 00:08:03.693 - As a matter of course though, you're correct in terms of the frustrations that were sent out. One, 00:08:03.693 --> 00:08:09.581 - very sorry. I'm very sorry because we just left out here on your own. That's not fair. Two, packets, 00:08:09.581 --> 00:08:15.468 - assemblies of agendas. Our staff should always be working with the co-chairs setting up that agenda. 00:08:15.468 --> 00:08:21.298 - So if you have agenda items, make sure you're working through your co-chairs to make sure that's on 00:08:21.298 --> 00:08:26.078 - the agenda. We'll send out an agenda with a packet if there's external materials. 00:08:26.306 --> 00:08:32.483 - on a regular basis. Ideally, that happens actually more like a week before the meeting as opposed to 00:08:32.483 --> 00:08:38.720 - two or one day before the meeting. Going forward, usually it's at least the time of the notice, which 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:45.019 - is 48 hours before the meeting. It's what we're going to assume at a minimum. But given your scope and 00:08:45.019 --> 00:08:51.502 - what this commission does, I think as a matter of policy, it should be a week before. You all are digging 00:08:51.502 --> 00:08:53.214 - through some dense reports. 00:08:53.410 --> 00:09:00.779 - making recommendations carefully. That's a long, that's a lot to read through. And so it's, it's really 00:09:00.779 --> 00:09:08.077 - unfair. You can only keep it 48 hours. What's happening? That's very helpful. This is one thing we're, 00:09:08.077 --> 00:09:15.233 - we're not sure anything. You know what, man, that's been true to a lot of people. I've seen a lot of 00:09:15.233 --> 00:09:20.830 - faces in the short amount of time. I have no idea. So didn't have the answers. 00:09:23.362 --> 00:09:30.687 - Anything else pertaining to LEAP that anyone wants to chat about? So it's waiting for more information 00:09:30.687 --> 00:09:37.799 - so we can actually chat about it. Okay, cool. Let's move on to new business. I guess this one would 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:45.195 - have been an old business as well, but I didn't catch that. The FOP cameras and contracts, I guess it's 00:09:45.195 --> 00:09:52.094 - still new. We haven't really met. I know the last time we met, we had received notification that 00:09:53.442 --> 00:10:01.987 - contract was not renewed. I know there's been some still some ongoing things with Flock itself that 00:10:01.987 --> 00:10:10.531 - we have contracts for and or are still in a longer contract. Still kind of just sitting through all 00:10:10.531 --> 00:10:19.162 - that stuff and paying attention, but I know that the legislation from council, which kind of spurred 00:10:19.162 --> 00:10:22.494 - the reaction of all this stuff further 00:10:22.594 --> 00:10:30.092 - I think they're working on that, and that should be something that we maybe can help with as that gets 00:10:30.092 --> 00:10:38.100 - solidified. Isabel Piedron-Smith had said that maybe that's a better item for July once it's more formalized, 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:45.816 - so we can actually understand what that looks like and how that legislation or process will go. If anyone 00:10:45.816 --> 00:10:52.222 - has anything to add to that, I know we talked about it pretty a lot there for a minute. 00:10:53.058 --> 00:11:01.318 - Can you help us understand current state? Because my understanding was that the contract was not extended. 00:11:01.318 --> 00:11:09.269 - The last time we talked, two months ago, it was still active. And I had heard that through little five 00:11:09.269 --> 00:11:17.220 - weekends that we would still have the flood cameras active. And it seems like there isn't, as you were 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:22.238 - alluding to, some complexity. It isn't an off or on necessarily. 00:11:22.370 --> 00:11:28.448 - state and that there are other contracts and other ways these might be used. It would be nice to have 00:11:28.448 --> 00:11:34.406 - a breakdown, just like a clear, crisp understanding of what the status of the flock cameras are now 00:11:34.406 --> 00:11:40.782 - and then what the next steps are here. Is that something you can help with? Absolutely. So we have reached 00:11:40.782 --> 00:11:46.740 - out about that information a little bit. We've been trying to gather information generally as well. 00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:52.222 - What we have so far, very similar, like the contracts have been terminated. Those are done. 00:11:52.674 --> 00:11:58.638 - Some flock cameras have been removed. There's an open question about cameras that are stationary around 00:11:58.638 --> 00:12:04.774 - the city and what contractors are governed under, and some that are governed maybe not under flock itself, 00:12:04.774 --> 00:12:10.509 - but maybe under different providers. And so we'll try to get that information. So you actually have 00:12:10.509 --> 00:12:16.243 - some details of what those look like. The other thing is, to your point, we have a council that are 00:12:16.243 --> 00:12:22.494 - working on legislation that would be encompassing regardless of manufacturer or system, potentially regular. 00:12:22.914 --> 00:12:29.605 - And it puts that ends. One of the things that I was curious about, and I just apologize, I don't know 00:12:29.605 --> 00:12:36.166 - how to get to this information, but I was assuming when the flock contract was originally set up or 00:12:36.166 --> 00:12:42.988 - these other contracts with different vendors were set up, that the city probably went through some sort 00:12:42.988 --> 00:12:49.745 - of RPR, RFI process, which indicates that there probably were sometimes some requirements or some sort 00:12:49.745 --> 00:12:52.894 - of expectations going into that review process. 00:12:53.154 --> 00:13:00.603 - I think it's interesting to know what those were and what that RPR5 process was. Certainly political. 00:13:00.603 --> 00:13:08.199 - Request for information or request for quote is a way that an entity can engage with multiple companies 00:13:08.199 --> 00:13:15.648 - to get a quote. I'm like, hey, we have a need for security cameras, right? And they can send out this 00:13:15.648 --> 00:13:22.878 - packet to flock into other people, companies, and they will respond with a presentation or a quote 00:13:23.522 --> 00:13:30.156 - that outlines how they can meet those requirements. And I'm just curious about how that process works 00:13:30.156 --> 00:13:36.725 - and if there's still like a desire to go forward to resolve those requirements in another way. Yeah. 00:13:36.725 --> 00:13:43.229 - And the other issue we're looking into is, because there are other assets in our community, I think 00:13:43.229 --> 00:13:49.798 - that you're well aware of. So by both Monroe County and IU. And so what access does the city have to 00:13:49.798 --> 00:13:51.294 - those systems as well? 00:13:51.522 --> 00:14:00.475 - Yeah, I can pull the out. I don't know if it was an RFP, but if it is, then we'll pull that and have 00:14:00.475 --> 00:14:09.516 - that information for you for next time. Thank you very much. I would guess in this case, it'd be more 00:14:09.516 --> 00:14:18.646 - likely to be an RFP than an RFI, but yeah. Before, there's still some things happening, but I know the 00:14:18.646 --> 00:14:19.710 - replacement 00:14:20.386 --> 00:14:28.233 - We were kind of looking at what other companies are good in that field, and turns out they're not. But 00:14:28.233 --> 00:14:36.156 - I think that's where it's nice that the council is talking about the future, the longevity of the plan, 00:14:36.156 --> 00:14:44.308 - so that it's like, when can tech be, when and how can tech be put into city use without the proper checks? 00:14:44.308 --> 00:14:50.174 - So hopefully, seeing the legislation will be nice too. It's such a powerful, 00:14:51.042 --> 00:15:00.321 - And I know that there are multiple stories and cases where it has been very helpful, right? You know, 00:15:00.321 --> 00:15:09.509 - locating people, finding, you know, identifying cars where there was, you know, potential, you know, 00:15:09.509 --> 00:15:17.150 - kidnapping going on and we knew this crime and it was able to find that car, right? 00:15:20.034 --> 00:15:27.301 - But as we all know, from what we're supposed to be doing with this mission inspector discussing the 00:15:27.301 --> 00:15:34.714 - challenges of that technology and making sure we're comprehending those and that those are taken into 00:15:34.714 --> 00:15:42.199 - consideration because it's such a scary technology as well. I said absolutely nothing about biologics. 00:15:42.199 --> 00:15:48.958 - Yeah, yeah. I was like, if we don't talk about it, then where are we going to figure it out? 00:15:49.858 --> 00:15:56.862 - I think that's on the right direction. Thank you for listening to city council. Yeah, thank you for 00:15:56.862 --> 00:16:03.866 - creating this comprehensive view of it both sides. I don't even know some of the words that we were 00:16:03.866 --> 00:16:10.869 - using earlier, so it's good to learn those things. Yeah, it looks like on the city website there is 00:16:10.869 --> 00:16:17.943 - also like the official FLOC statement as well. And then usually this is, so there's a search channel 00:16:17.943 --> 00:16:19.134 - for the subject. 00:16:20.002 --> 00:16:30.007 - Always more, but excited to see the legislation and see how we can create a better future for everyone 00:16:30.007 --> 00:16:39.817 - with that. Okay, then that's the big one. The next, is everyone cool on the thought conversation? Is 00:16:39.817 --> 00:16:49.822 - there anything anyone else wants to add or pick apart before we get all the information for next time? 00:16:52.002 --> 00:16:57.831 - So what are we expecting to information for next time? Well, it sounds like we're going to get some 00:16:57.831 --> 00:17:03.776 - some of the clarity questions of like, we'll try to give you what's the current status is. So to make 00:17:03.776 --> 00:17:09.896 - sure are there any cameras still existing? What can we gather about any other systems that are in place? 00:17:09.896 --> 00:17:16.074 - Whether there's an original RFP or? Already said there's already been in the report that we got yesterday 00:17:16.074 --> 00:17:20.446 - that there's cameras that still exist and that they share information with 00:17:20.866 --> 00:17:27.865 - that the motor company shares office and I use, they'll have block cameras and then share, that we share 00:17:27.865 --> 00:17:34.597 - information. Just because Bloomington doesn't have that agreement doesn't mean you can't receive it. 00:17:34.597 --> 00:17:41.463 - Yeah, it doesn't mean that they're not still accessing that information through resources. I mean, I'm 00:17:41.463 --> 00:17:48.262 - not starting there. No, no, you're good. I'm just trying to set, these are the, we'll try to put this 00:17:48.262 --> 00:17:49.662 - all together in one, 00:17:49.826 --> 00:17:57.089 - kind of report for you when we come back and kind of verify that, put it all together. Easier to digest 00:17:57.089 --> 00:18:04.142 - when there's actual answers and problems? Shockingly, yeah. That way. Those are the main points that 00:18:04.142 --> 00:18:11.336 - I think we're bringing back to you. And then if there's any update on legislation, we'll also put that 00:18:11.336 --> 00:18:18.878 - up. And does the city of Wilmington have any influence over what IU can do or can't do? I shouldn't say no. 00:18:19.138 --> 00:18:25.469 - It's not zero, but it's not a lot. So IU is a separate statutory entity, obviously. They have their 00:18:25.469 --> 00:18:31.800 - separate police force that they completely govern. So from that standpoint, the city of Bloomington 00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:38.195 - has no authority to tell IU what to do. There is obviously a relationship between the local units of 00:18:38.195 --> 00:18:44.589 - the city, county, and IU. They do meet frequently at an executive level, have those items discussed, 00:18:44.589 --> 00:18:45.982 - so that could also be 00:18:46.210 --> 00:18:52.481 - a point of discussion to hear with and with council is to the extent that, you know, informally, 00:18:52.481 --> 00:18:59.205 - you know, call town-gown meetings. And to the extent that those town-gown meetings have to be an agenda 00:18:59.205 --> 00:19:06.058 - item for, to try to request that the executives have that conversation and then bring us some information 00:19:06.058 --> 00:19:12.846 - as possible. I know that that's not a satisfactory answer, but that's the answer. It's our answer, which 00:19:12.846 --> 00:19:14.462 - we're pretty well, yeah. 00:19:16.930 --> 00:19:30.609 - Thank you for gathering that stuff for us as well. And then the next item is the safety report that 00:19:30.609 --> 00:19:45.246 - was published by the mayor's office recently. We haven't had a chance to read and go over that as a group. 00:19:45.602 --> 00:19:55.801 - I was doing it in the first few reads this week. Once I was reminded of it, did everyone get a chance 00:19:55.801 --> 00:20:06.499 - to read it? It's a lot of statistics, which is hard to totally absorb. Right. I thought it was interesting 00:20:06.499 --> 00:20:14.398 - that crime in general over all of the staff that violent crimes were of. Yeah. 00:20:15.074 --> 00:20:22.560 - I was trying to zoom out to see where it was, and it was pivoted from the ups to the downs, and I was 00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:30.046 - like, wait, what? And so there was a lot of percentages where I was like, I don't... Yeah, I think it 00:20:30.046 --> 00:20:37.458 - was just interesting to... This information's pulled from the dispatch in it. Dispatch was 12 out of 00:20:37.458 --> 00:20:43.550 - the 16 other things, and there were 12 people in the dispatch. Yeah, I was like... 00:20:44.162 --> 00:20:51.071 - I was like, I knew they were missing staff. I didn't realize they were missing the majority of staff. 00:20:51.071 --> 00:20:57.845 - But I guess that's because I don't know much about the dispatch. They were always talking about it, 00:20:57.845 --> 00:21:04.687 - and I was like, hey, maybe that's why they can keep them, because it sounds like maybe they're doing 00:21:04.687 --> 00:21:10.174 - a lot of work. Yeah, which I just thought was intriguing that that large gap was 00:21:11.362 --> 00:21:20.287 - dispatch while we're gaining our gap of the police force. I also know that from a 911 perspective, right, 00:21:20.287 --> 00:21:29.211 - there are a lot of complexities and maybe some vagaries between, like, there isn't just one 911 instance, 00:21:29.211 --> 00:21:37.631 - right? There's different, like, elements of that and understanding how they, I am a little confused 00:21:37.631 --> 00:21:40.830 - by how they interact with each other. 00:21:40.930 --> 00:21:49.549 - you know, once calls come in, how do they get dispatched into it? How do they get dispatched? So I think 00:21:49.549 --> 00:21:57.839 - it's a complex story around how the different dispatch units work together here at Southern Indiana. 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:06.130 - I mean, it obviously does, right? The calls come in and resources get dispatched out, but yeah, it's 00:22:06.130 --> 00:22:10.398 - a little opaque how that system works and what the, 00:22:11.618 --> 00:22:21.161 - So then when it comes to understanding like from the lead effort and how we integrate with that, I think 00:22:21.161 --> 00:22:30.431 - being able to have more clarity about how the discussions work together is going to be helpful for us 00:22:30.431 --> 00:22:39.974 - in understanding what the response is, what they're going to be saying about this. Does that make sense? 00:22:39.974 --> 00:22:41.246 - Sorry. Sorry. 00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:53.095 - Yeah, I think we can look at all these numbers, but we actually providing how the none of us now dispatchers 00:22:53.095 --> 00:23:04.356 - without some kind of like firsthand. Yeah, knowledge and I know we've wanted to talk to someone, especially 00:23:04.356 --> 00:23:11.550 - around the idea that part of dispatch supposed to be social workers. 00:23:12.034 --> 00:23:21.994 - Dispatch work, do the police department. They assign everything. Okay. Because they're part of the non-sworn 00:23:21.994 --> 00:23:31.313 - staffing, right? Yes. Do you know if there's any movement on getting more staffed or how, compared to 00:23:31.313 --> 00:23:40.542 - what it seems like, the effort to incentivize police and the fire department to get them staffed up, 00:23:40.994 --> 00:23:47.238 - Dispatches. Yes, there's been a there's been a coordinated effort to make some updates to dispatch. 00:23:47.238 --> 00:23:53.670 - I know the deputy mayor was just touting some of the Head wake that they made in that regard the other 00:23:53.670 --> 00:24:00.101 - day. I don't know what the current staffing levels. So remember, this is a 20 report about the status. 00:24:00.101 --> 00:24:01.662 - I think it's more staff. 00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:07.239 - and then what's reflected in this report. Once again, we try to obtain more information. If you all 00:24:07.239 --> 00:24:12.803 - would like to potentially invite someone who knows something about dispatch to attend a meeting, invite 00:24:12.803 --> 00:24:18.259 - them to come and give a briefing on that. The other question I have for you all is I know in the past 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:23.983 - you all have written responses to this report over a period of time and published those. Is that something 00:24:23.983 --> 00:24:28.958 - that this board is interested in doing as bringing this back for future meetings, especially 00:24:29.218 --> 00:24:35.265 - Writing your own response to this or is it more just diving into the numbers a little bit more at this 00:24:35.265 --> 00:24:41.605 - point? Are we going to get a new response to our response or is that it? I can't tell you that for certain, 00:24:41.605 --> 00:24:47.769 - but we certainly won't if we don't put a response at it. I guess at the time, I can't even conceptualize 00:24:47.769 --> 00:24:53.698 - doing that based on where we are as a committee anyways, or commission anyways. So it's like hard to 00:24:53.698 --> 00:24:55.870 - imagine being like, oh yeah, we have 00:24:57.378 --> 00:25:02.276 - the time to respond and figure it out without but I guess it's like we could all write on our own and 00:25:02.276 --> 00:25:07.175 - then bring it to each other it's not against to talk about those ideas to then try to formulate stuff 00:25:07.175 --> 00:25:12.121 - or one of the ways that could work so to not violate open door laws of course is if you if you do have 00:25:12.121 --> 00:25:16.923 - something wants about it and then put it on the future agenda if you want to send it to us we could 00:25:16.923 --> 00:25:21.917 - co-link those all together and it could go out and the next packet that that way you could kind of have 00:25:21.917 --> 00:25:23.454 - a look at all around each other 00:25:23.682 --> 00:25:30.571 - and then start to correlate that and give us some direction about how you'd like that to look at the 00:25:30.571 --> 00:25:37.733 - California. If you want more information, please just let us know and we can try. I mean, again, I can't 00:25:37.733 --> 00:25:44.553 - make promises of what I feel we will put out invitations out there and work with council members to 00:25:44.553 --> 00:25:51.647 - potentially get you the information. So my review of the document isn't as comprehensive yet as I would 00:25:51.647 --> 00:25:52.670 - like it to be. 00:25:52.834 --> 00:26:00.421 - like a couple of passes that I made through. I don't see any statistics or information associated with 00:26:00.421 --> 00:26:08.082 - minorities associated with the statistics that we've got. Was it there and I missed it? I think that's, 00:26:08.082 --> 00:26:15.523 - it's not in this one, but I've seen it on the city website as well. Have you done it around the city 00:26:15.523 --> 00:26:21.342 - website? Not yet. But that'd be something that it's in suspicious between some 00:26:21.794 --> 00:26:29.287 - technology forward. When I look at it, it looks like gibberish diving into the files. But the thing 00:26:29.287 --> 00:26:36.781 - is that there was breakdowns of lots of that stuff in there as well, because it has to be on there. 00:26:36.781 --> 00:26:44.274 - So that's in the part of the website. I think you can look up whole sections of things that have to 00:26:44.274 --> 00:26:50.494 - do with the police, the response, all that stuff. I know there's one in here about 00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:57.456 - that I looked through and I started seeing maybe some breakdowns of. What's that URL? It's just the 00:26:57.456 --> 00:27:04.222 - Bloomington.in.gov. And then in the information, yeah, because everything has to be on the website. 00:27:04.222 --> 00:27:11.191 - You have to have the information sharing. I guess there's some things that are hidden until requested, 00:27:11.191 --> 00:27:18.430 - but another police journal is in there. And that was something we looked at previously. OK. I think you'll 00:27:19.234 --> 00:27:27.091 - maybe be able to process and lots of other than us. Honestly, the only mention of minorities in the 00:27:27.091 --> 00:27:35.026 - report is our tradition that we exist, right? Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I know it's somewhere in there. 00:27:35.026 --> 00:27:42.961 - It's a website that I'm still learning. Check that out, because I think that's where I was like, you 00:27:42.961 --> 00:27:48.382 - might be better at digging up when we actually load more information 00:27:48.706 --> 00:27:55.560 - When I go in, it's chaos. Yeah, and my co-host is telling me anything. There is a note that there's 00:27:55.560 --> 00:28:03.579 - a data portal on the City of Millicent's website that usually is all the databases combined. It's data.borgington.io 00:28:03.579 --> 00:28:10.570 - and that'll take you directly there. You can kind of browse a broad category of data. I don't know if 00:28:10.570 --> 00:28:17.150 - that's where you found this, but I'm just looking for it right now, but generally, there we go. 00:28:20.034 --> 00:28:35.832 - helpful in the beginning of the circular flush some of us about sure sure yeah research and research 00:28:35.832 --> 00:28:43.966 - can. What there are variety of data points in that. 00:28:44.162 --> 00:28:51.697 - catalog culture service, accident, citizen points, officer involved shootings, domestic violence, 00:28:51.697 --> 00:28:59.464 - et cetera, that you could go through. And if you do have specific questions, again, please reach out 00:28:59.464 --> 00:29:06.691 - to us. How do I, how does one reach out to you? If you want to reach out to me directly, it's 00:29:06.691 --> 00:29:12.766 - just larry.allen at homington.com. We also do see, we all monitor the council. 00:29:12.866 --> 00:29:22.510 - Council members see that, but also council staff has access. Now we're in a courier council based mission. 00:29:22.510 --> 00:29:31.613 - Yes. Thank you, sir. Yeah, be careful when we're starting threads. Nowadays, we were lost in the sea 00:29:31.613 --> 00:29:35.038 - of threads. I think we'll have a very 00:29:35.618 --> 00:29:41.073 - symbols for each agenda back in and stuff like that. We can look in. As we've talked about for an individual 00:29:41.073 --> 00:29:46.528 - council member, so I just be reaching out, it should be a... I think you can reach out if you have questions 00:29:46.528 --> 00:29:51.732 - personally about anything. I think it's going to start to get a few people in the email, then it starts 00:29:51.732 --> 00:29:56.887 - to break the open door law of mechanic decisions. There's an ambiguity into the open door law with the 00:29:56.887 --> 00:30:02.091 - email. So it's like, you're going to want to email to set up meetings. And I think we can email because 00:30:02.091 --> 00:30:02.942 - we're setting up 00:30:03.458 --> 00:30:09.816 - The agenda, the end. That's why email, like when your feedback for this report, email to us as opposed 00:30:09.816 --> 00:30:16.422 - to each other. So receiving information counts as one of the official functions for the door law purposes. 00:30:16.422 --> 00:30:23.150 - That's why email violates the door law is you are receiving information by sending emails. Agenda scheduling 00:30:23.150 --> 00:30:29.385 - is okay, but typically any other information is prohibited without an official meeting notice. Okay, 00:30:29.385 --> 00:30:30.558 - so the safest way. 00:30:30.754 --> 00:30:36.590 - is to send it directly to us and we can, we can always disseminate information out to you. It's just 00:30:36.590 --> 00:30:42.830 - you sharing information, because I'm not public. The state of India doesn't care if I send you information, 00:30:42.830 --> 00:30:49.070 - but they care if you send each other. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is everybody, is it a requirement now that everyone 00:30:49.070 --> 00:30:55.194 - on the commission is going to have to take the training that was sent out by Jennifer? It would be really 00:30:55.194 --> 00:30:56.350 - ideal, because it's 00:30:56.546 --> 00:31:01.859 - I'll just say it is a long sale, just understanding the various parts, the way the boards function. 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:07.332 - If you don't have time, if you want, if you need other assistance, again, please reach out. We can try 00:31:07.332 --> 00:31:12.698 - to coordinate with you to get you that information or get you at least like the presentation you can 00:31:12.698 --> 00:31:18.277 - look through so you have some information. But if you do have the time and ability to attend it, I would 00:31:18.277 --> 00:31:23.644 - encourage you to do that. What important you met? She sent out the invite to everyone on commission, 00:31:23.644 --> 00:31:25.822 - so you should have had it in your email. 00:31:26.274 --> 00:31:33.144 - with a couple of dates that were the in-person nursing dates. I know they already did. There might be 00:31:33.144 --> 00:31:40.148 - another one. I did it a couple weeks ago. I sent it for the one that came right after our last meeting. 00:31:40.148 --> 00:31:47.085 - The invite for the commission training. I went to one of the in-person, I came to the council hall and 00:31:47.085 --> 00:31:54.494 - did it. It was something really like, oh, well there's the direct answers to a lot of the questions that I've 00:31:54.882 --> 00:32:01.388 - But maybe one, okay. But I know you said they're gonna do it again, probably, and or? I hope so. If 00:32:01.388 --> 00:32:07.960 - they don't, though, we can send you the presentation. Or honestly, if you all missed it, and there's 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:14.661 - enough of you interested, we'll just bring you in, and I can do you the orientation. It's no big deal. 00:32:14.661 --> 00:32:21.362 - Yeah, the PowerPoint was very helpful to set up a slide about open door law things and other questions 00:32:21.362 --> 00:32:22.078 - pertaining 00:32:23.650 --> 00:32:31.580 - And just so you know, that kind of training, whenever you're trying to be a board of commission member, 00:32:31.580 --> 00:32:39.281 - that does not have to be open door law. It's a specific exemption at the board of law. So you can be 00:32:39.281 --> 00:32:47.059 - trained on how to be a board member without violating. Okay. I'm fun at parties, really. Well, for my 00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:51.710 - birthday. You want some open door wall quiz? Whatever, okay. 00:32:51.842 --> 00:33:02.299 - I would say let's get you a better party. Well, this is bright a week before Christmas, so you can do 00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:13.063 - trivia and gifts. That sounds fun. This is the present and a birthday present. I enjoyed it. It's always 00:33:13.063 --> 00:33:21.470 - very helpful. I very much could have missed it. I don't know if I could if I can. 00:33:22.594 --> 00:33:29.419 - I have a note, I put a note here to follow up with Jennifer, and then I'll send an email out to you 00:33:29.419 --> 00:33:36.312 - all about it. I'm also not on this list of officers serving on the committee. Okay. It seems like my 00:33:36.312 --> 00:33:43.614 - name is not here. And while I'm here, can you meet on the website? What's it again? Camilla Brown, Sparks, 00:33:43.614 --> 00:33:50.439 - Robert Fernandes, Day, Eric. Is it the Packard or the website? Packard. I'm so sorry. Thank you for 00:33:50.439 --> 00:33:51.326 - alerting us. 00:33:52.546 --> 00:34:00.065 - Well, yours are your own website, for sure. Okay. And I will have another vacancy, too, so if, you know, 00:34:00.065 --> 00:34:07.798 - a lot of people leave you to mince a joint, it makes this more of a harder conversation, more hand-to-hand, 00:34:07.798 --> 00:34:15.246 - global things. That would be awesome. I've tried. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to spend before, too. Nothing's 00:34:15.246 --> 00:34:18.110 - happening. Sorry. What else do we have? 00:34:20.994 --> 00:34:30.003 - Yeah, right. And Robert couldn't data so longer. I was like, yeah, that's the packet. Yeah, that's the 00:34:30.003 --> 00:34:38.837 - packet. Jason, it's just an old one. So what am I going to do? Five of us now. What? Five of us now. 00:34:38.837 --> 00:34:48.021 - It's Tarsin. Yeah. Did Tarsin leave? No, Tarsin's still, Tarsin's just traveling. Right. But they didn't 00:34:48.021 --> 00:34:50.558 - resign the email that I saw. 00:34:51.714 --> 00:35:01.317 - We got one, which is not, because we need to get more people, we can make it. Some, if we know people. 00:35:01.317 --> 00:35:11.014 - Yeah, spread it out. The last two decades, the same, those three months. Yeah. Okay, do we want to move 00:35:11.014 --> 00:35:20.990 - on from, or move into our next, so I think we can have, maybe read the safety report more, and that's all. 00:35:21.346 --> 00:35:29.077 - start to figure out some other questions that we have about things as they pertain to all the other, 00:35:29.077 --> 00:35:36.808 - because it pertains to FOC as well as the LEAP study and things we're trying to continue to work on. 00:35:36.808 --> 00:35:44.845 - So maybe we'll continue that as one of our threads into everything else. The next business, new business 00:35:44.845 --> 00:35:51.198 - is the resident health and safety issues. We've got two bullet points under there. 00:35:51.618 --> 00:35:59.682 - Um, I just wanted to kind of like keep the, the person who talked a little bit about the death that 00:35:59.682 --> 00:36:07.988 - had happened outside of the bird and the barbershop. Um, I didn't gather much more information because 00:36:07.988 --> 00:36:16.052 - that's what I saw on like Jeremy Hoeven's response and other people's responses, but, um, I'm going 00:36:16.052 --> 00:36:21.374 - to continue to check that out as it pertains to what it is we do. 00:36:22.050 --> 00:36:32.210 - and see where that story goes. But, bummer. Okay, I know winter, we have emergency shelters and other 00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:42.469 - things that our city does help provide, but I know summer, that's something we don't have. The similar 00:36:42.469 --> 00:36:50.238 - response to, especially with the heat and other tornadoes now in high school. 00:36:50.370 --> 00:37:00.040 - I don't think there's an emergency shelter for overnight. And I know the city says that they put out 00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:10.094 - the water stations after a certain temperature, but I know that didn't happen with the ones that climbed 00:37:10.094 --> 00:37:16.126 - up last week. So the more and more as people struggle outside, 00:37:16.386 --> 00:37:24.923 - And with money now, you can't revive all of the other neighbors. Yeah, so I think something to pay attention 00:37:24.923 --> 00:37:32.756 - to is that pertains to how our houseless neighbors and other neighbors are kind of being taken care 00:37:32.756 --> 00:37:40.588 - of through those versus being fully ignored. But I saw the banner in the mayor's office, the TV saw 00:37:40.588 --> 00:37:43.486 - off. So let's hope we're doing that. 00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:53.637 - That's, I just wanted to bring that up as part of the meetings, that it's something that we can continue 00:37:53.637 --> 00:38:01.318 - talking about as we move through summer and also through the responses and alternatives to police and 00:38:01.318 --> 00:38:09.074 - how we can support other folks. I'll keep looking at the case to see what unveils itself and what kind 00:38:09.074 --> 00:38:14.270 - of response we get from the city itself. The next one under that is, 00:38:14.402 --> 00:38:19.901 - I'll see. I did have the drum usage one. Oh yeah, you got some stuff on that? Yeah, I did have set the 00:38:19.901 --> 00:38:25.346 - clock about it for you. Yeah, yeah. So you want to continue through your section and come back to it? 00:38:25.346 --> 00:38:30.684 - Sure. So you want to, after we can, let's see, you want to go to the, or do you want to do this one 00:38:30.684 --> 00:38:36.023 - first? I do not care. There was one in the gym, so we're checking that. I think we put it on there, 00:38:36.023 --> 00:38:41.201 - but. Um, so there's, right, there was- Oh, I skipped it there. I'm sorry, that was my fault. No, 00:38:41.201 --> 00:38:43.390 - it's okay. That's fine. Let's jump back. 00:38:44.034 --> 00:38:50.498 - So this is related to the drug use, and a little bit more about it, too. So the incident was on April 00:38:50.498 --> 00:38:57.215 - 6, 2026, with the woman's name is Heather Engel. There was a six-hour police standoff here in Bloomington 00:38:57.215 --> 00:39:03.869 - that involved a 37-year-old woman who barricaded herself inside a South Rock port home on April 6, after 00:39:03.869 --> 00:39:10.460 - allegedly catching her boyfriend outside with knives, chasing her boyfriend outside with knives. Police 00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:13.502 - used a drone to locate her before the incident. 00:39:14.466 --> 00:39:20.459 - So instead of timeline, there was an initial call. We came in at 4.30 PM. Police were dispatched to 00:39:20.459 --> 00:39:26.571 - the home, the 2,000 block in the south of Brockport Road. A 53-year-old man told dispatchers that the 00:39:26.571 --> 00:39:32.624 - woman, later identified as Heather Eagle, had chased him from the house while armed with two kitchen 00:39:32.624 --> 00:39:38.676 - knives. Arriving officers observed that the woman was inside the residence with a knife. She refused 00:39:38.676 --> 00:39:43.710 - to cooperate or communicate with the crisis negotiation team, locking the barricade 00:39:43.874 --> 00:39:50.090 - her doors. After securing a search warrant, the department's search for the critical incident response 00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:56.487 - team sent a remotely piloted aerial vehicle inside the home to find her location. After the drone located 00:39:56.487 --> 00:40:02.522 - her, she reportedly squandered it down out of the air, grabbed it, and smashed it against the wall, 00:40:02.522 --> 00:40:08.798 - causing significant damage. Officers then deployed chemical gas into the residence to force compliance. 00:40:09.026 --> 00:40:15.605 - At about 1030 p.m., she crawled out of a window and was taken into custody without further physical 00:40:15.605 --> 00:40:22.380 - injury. Charges were, as she was booked into Murrow County Hospital Jail, preliminary charges included 00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:28.959 - intimidation, a Level 5 felony, domestic battery, Class A misdemeanor, and criminal mischief, Class 00:40:28.959 --> 00:40:35.603 - A misdemeanor. So what I was trying to understand, and this might be another area where you can kind 00:40:35.603 --> 00:40:37.182 - of help, right, is that 00:40:37.858 --> 00:40:48.014 - what I was trying to understand is what is the escalation process by which the cert or officers can 00:40:48.014 --> 00:40:58.373 - use things like putting a drone into someone's house or using chemical weapons to get a person out of 00:40:58.373 --> 00:41:04.670 - a facility. What I was able to find is that officers can make 00:41:05.026 --> 00:41:12.233 - decisions in the moment with relatively little escalation and they believe that their personal safety 00:41:12.233 --> 00:41:19.369 - is involved. But the way I was, what I was able to find kind of research wise talked about a more of 00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:26.576 - a circular escalation process than a rather sort of straight up and down process. But it talked about 00:41:26.576 --> 00:41:32.158 - how when we use something like drones or chemical agents as part of an arrest, 00:41:32.418 --> 00:41:40.944 - that there should be some sort of documentation, some sort of post-event evaluation. And I couldn't 00:41:40.944 --> 00:41:49.726 - find that. And I didn't know what the tools were to find such a thing. And so I think it would be, I'm 00:41:49.726 --> 00:41:58.337 - interested in knowing how that works, that we send drones into someone's private residence, tear gas 00:41:58.337 --> 00:42:01.406 - into a private residence, if she is 00:42:02.082 --> 00:42:11.475 - in her house, what is the risk to officer safety at that point? How does that work from a timing perspective? 00:42:11.475 --> 00:42:20.612 - Obviously, these are tools that are, again, very valuable to be used, but it just seemed a little shocking 00:42:20.612 --> 00:42:28.126 - to me that we sent a drone in and it was destroyed. She's obviously going to be made to 00:42:28.674 --> 00:42:37.425 - pay for the drone against our house. I'm sure it's part of the range of the case, but I would love to 00:42:37.425 --> 00:42:46.175 - be able to get more information specifically about the case rather than sort of theory of operations. 00:42:46.175 --> 00:42:55.097 - So about this specific case as opposed to generally how these forces go? Yes. We could do that. I don't 00:42:55.097 --> 00:42:58.014 - have any specific case right now. 00:42:58.178 --> 00:43:06.770 - But that's what I've been able to find out. Do you have any questions for me on that report out? Starting 00:43:06.770 --> 00:43:14.958 - to look like it looks like in the data set that there's some information about the UAVs flight data, 00:43:14.958 --> 00:43:23.145 - but I also can't read it myself. Something I'm not gonna be able to read better if you get in there. 00:43:23.145 --> 00:43:25.982 - It does seem like it might violate 00:43:26.722 --> 00:43:34.238 - rules of search and seizure or something like that? It probably doesn't. So there's going to be two 00:43:34.238 --> 00:43:41.980 - paths, kind of, which is one is imminent threat of danger. So that counts to both yourself and others, 00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:49.497 - potentially. And so that creates what's called an exigent circumstance in which the officers may be 00:43:49.497 --> 00:43:55.134 - able to enter the facility or the building. This would count as an injury. 00:43:55.362 --> 00:44:00.028 - So, you know, and instead of using an officer to enter, you're using another device center. The other 00:44:00.028 --> 00:44:04.694 - path obviously is a warrant. You could potentially get a warrant if she started to heal somebody, you 00:44:04.694 --> 00:44:09.360 - don't believe there's negligence of circumstance. Justifying that, though you have probable, probable 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:14.255 - to crimes but committed, you can go to the judge and apply for a warrant at the time. This sounds probably 00:44:14.255 --> 00:44:18.830 - more like it fit in the, I don't know, I'm not claiming that I know. It sounds like it probably fit 00:44:18.830 --> 00:44:22.398 - more in the exigent circumstances than it did a warrant, just because someone 00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:28.740 - So if someone came running out a threat for their life, if there were statements of threats, generally, 00:44:28.740 --> 00:44:34.711 - and I know this is too much theory and you want more specifics about this, use of force, the reason 00:44:34.711 --> 00:44:40.801 - why you don't see that necessarily is that that is governed a little bit by a novel that use of force 00:44:40.801 --> 00:44:46.772 - with you, typically governed by a standard operating procedure within the police themselves. And so 00:44:46.772 --> 00:44:48.862 - once the use of force is deployed, 00:44:49.026 --> 00:44:55.928 - you know, whether it's lethal or non-lethal use of force, it does have to be documented. It is reviewed 00:44:55.928 --> 00:45:03.029 - by two supervisory officers. If there is, I believe it's injury and or death, so I think it's even injury, 00:45:03.029 --> 00:45:09.665 - but please, I'll double check all of this to make sure that I'm 100% right. I'm just gonna give you 00:45:09.665 --> 00:45:16.766 - my off-the-cuff memory. If it's injury or death, then the supervising officers are to review my Cambridge. 00:45:16.994 --> 00:45:23.362 - at that point to make sure that the use of force is correct. And then they have to sign off on the report 00:45:23.362 --> 00:45:29.430 - on the use of force. But that documentation typically resides within the police force and within the 00:45:29.430 --> 00:45:35.557 - file itself. It's not just put up on the website. So that's one of those issues. I'll try to get more 00:45:35.557 --> 00:45:41.805 - specific information about this case if we can and check it out. It could be that with the way the SOPs 00:45:41.805 --> 00:45:45.470 - are written and work structures are written, processes where 00:45:46.914 --> 00:45:53.278 - I was just, as part of what I do on the caps, it would be nice to follow up and just validate how that 00:45:53.278 --> 00:45:59.457 - process went and have someone check on it. Because I don't know if many people know how to work. So 00:45:59.457 --> 00:46:05.759 - that's what I would like. Yeah, that's great. Sorry, just to make sure if you had something else, I'm 00:46:05.759 --> 00:46:10.270 - going to make sure I capture it. I think that was an ellipsis that time. 00:46:16.642 --> 00:46:28.416 - So I think that's it for me for that report out. But I'm on whatever I'd love to, yeah, get more information 00:46:28.416 --> 00:46:39.433 - and we can maybe see where that goes. Yeah. We'll definitely make the attempt. All right. You want to 00:46:39.433 --> 00:46:46.238 - move on to the next item on the agenda? The next item is about 00:46:46.786 --> 00:46:56.673 - a family reunification while I'm the best of the child. There was a best when Peter Brown, she, well, 00:46:56.673 --> 00:47:06.365 - I guess I would like her to come with me because she can do a better job of time. Yeah, I bet there 00:47:06.365 --> 00:47:16.446 - is. And then we'll turn it on. You could recognize her. Yeah, that's okay. This isn't gonna be an easy. 00:47:17.602 --> 00:47:29.267 - Hello. Hi, thanks for being here. I'm Coyus Murphy. I'm his grandmother. He was the little boy last 00:47:29.267 --> 00:47:41.516 - year in August that was told to watch his little sister breathe when the mother put her in the bed every 00:47:41.516 --> 00:47:47.582 - 10 minutes and made the notes if anybody remembers. 00:47:48.514 --> 00:47:58.117 - And the following day, they found the baby unresponsive, a three-year-old. She got into this drug called 00:47:58.117 --> 00:48:07.538 - Spice, that they had laying in the baby's reach. And Carrie was talking to me with kindness. When they 00:48:07.538 --> 00:48:16.958 - start crawling and reaching, anything from the door knock down, the lost student, everything grows up. 00:48:18.370 --> 00:48:31.468 - She hit the door. And consequences is, we lost a sweet little girl. Pius was taken from us, his father, 00:48:31.468 --> 00:48:44.692 - my son, Rappler. On the 25th of December, 2024, with an alleged, he hit me in the head and consequences, 00:48:44.692 --> 00:48:47.966 - I have a broken ear drum. 00:48:49.602 --> 00:48:57.904 - Prior to that, Caius complained of not hearing me. He couldn't hear. And I was cooking the day that 00:48:57.904 --> 00:49:06.537 - he got injured. My other grandson came downstairs and said, Granny, Caius and Taytay, that's his little 00:49:06.537 --> 00:49:14.839 - brother, Plataeus, are upstairs screaming in each other's ears. And I said, what? I said, and I was 00:49:14.839 --> 00:49:17.246 - on the phone with my friend. 00:49:17.762 --> 00:49:24.365 - And I said, let me go see what the boys are doing. I said, that's not right. I turned the stove off 00:49:24.365 --> 00:49:31.364 - and I was on my way up the stairs and I heard the screaming and she went, oh my God. So Tavius was coming 00:49:31.364 --> 00:49:38.165 - out with his ear and he was sitting there doing his hair and laughing. Then I said, guys, what are you 00:49:38.165 --> 00:49:45.032 - guys doing? And he said, we're just playing, granny. I said, no, no, no, you can rupture your hair down 00:49:45.032 --> 00:49:45.758 - like that. 00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:53.566 - I'm a retired nurse and I told, you can rupture your ear drum with that. You know, and not only that, 00:49:53.566 --> 00:50:00.877 - he had a habit of going in the Q-tips and trying to clean his ears. And so I put him in my room. I caught 00:50:00.877 --> 00:50:07.844 - him coming out of my bedroom, out of my bathroom. And I'm like, what are you doing in my room? Dude, 00:50:07.844 --> 00:50:15.086 - you don't come in here and mistreat me. You know, and I was in the Q-tip and I took it. No, no. A couple 00:50:15.086 --> 00:50:16.190 - of weeks later, 00:50:16.738 --> 00:50:23.321 - I was calling him, and he didn't answer. I said, Kyle, is something you're talking to him? He said, 00:50:23.321 --> 00:50:29.969 - no, Granny, I can't hear. I said, what do you mean you can't hear? Well, I can't hear out of my ear. 00:50:29.969 --> 00:50:36.618 - I said, really? I said, OK, well, I'm going to make you an appointment to see the EMT and see what's 00:50:36.618 --> 00:50:43.464 - going on. And I said, but I think when you guys were screaming, you probably damaged your ear. And then 00:50:43.464 --> 00:50:46.558 - I constantly, I got sick in the midst of that. 00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:55.041 - Christmas day, I saw him. The kids came and got me out of the bed. I had pneumonia, and I was hit real 00:50:55.041 --> 00:51:01.750 - bad, but I was really, really sick. And so they came and got me so I could see them open new gifts. 00:51:01.750 --> 00:51:08.460 - I go downstairs, and I spoke to Congress. I said, you're the only one that didn't give Granny a hug 00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:15.706 - this morning. I said, come give me a hug. And he hugged me, and then I was planting his hair and scratching 00:51:15.706 --> 00:51:17.182 - his head, and I said, 00:51:17.634 --> 00:51:28.036 - Oh, you need a haircut. And he said, yeah, I need a haircut. And we laughed at it. But he offered me 00:51:28.036 --> 00:51:38.336 - nothing about my head hurts. I'm dizzy. I can't hear. Just nothing. There was no bruises, no marks, 00:51:38.336 --> 00:51:45.854 - no anything. At the time, he was nine. He's 10 now. Two days later, DCS, 00:51:46.882 --> 00:51:54.131 - be by my door and the kids came upstairs and they said, mom, it's two people out here with the police. 00:51:54.131 --> 00:52:01.731 - And I said, what? Two people out here with the police? And I said, okay, let me get up. And I go downstairs 00:52:01.731 --> 00:52:08.768 - and Mr. Cummings was the one that was doing all the talking. The other DCS worker said nothing. And 00:52:08.768 --> 00:52:15.102 - there were four state police out there. And I asked them, I said, why are you at my home? 00:52:16.418 --> 00:52:24.060 - We came to remove the Najee and LaVette. And I got irony. I said, like, who you are? For what? And they 00:52:24.060 --> 00:52:31.702 - told me, because of the abuse in the home, I said, where did you get that from? It came from the carer. 00:52:31.702 --> 00:52:39.197 - I found out later it came from the carer's mouth, what she was saying to them. And I said, there's no 00:52:39.197 --> 00:52:46.398 - abuse going on in my home. I can guarantee you that. I said, well, if there is abuse in the home, 00:52:47.266 --> 00:52:54.421 - Why wouldn't the school report something? The neighbor, somebody. I said, I adopted my grandbabies and 00:52:54.421 --> 00:53:01.368 - I've had them for 10 years. Wait, no problem. And all of a sudden now I'm abusing my babies. And so 00:53:01.368 --> 00:53:08.524 - he looked at me, I said, well, the highest was gone. I found that out from the kids. I was like, well, 00:53:08.524 --> 00:53:15.262 - who's on here? And the oldest one told me who was all in the house. I said, where's the highest? 00:53:15.650 --> 00:53:21.740 - He said, Kira came and got him on Christmas Day. I slept for two days. I just straight slept for two 00:53:21.740 --> 00:53:27.769 - days. I missed it. And I said, so what's going on with Coyoteus? And then he stood there. He wasn't 00:53:27.769 --> 00:53:33.376 - saying anything. I said, if you want me to cooperate, you have to cooperate with me. I said, 00:53:33.376 --> 00:53:39.285 - where's Coyoteus? He said, well, he's with his mom. I said, well, what's going on with him? Well, 00:53:39.285 --> 00:53:44.350 - I can't say. I said, well, I bid you a good day. And I tried to go back to my home. 00:53:44.674 --> 00:53:53.567 - And then he started talking. Eventually, my son hit him in the head, and from that, it was supposed 00:53:53.567 --> 00:54:02.460 - to have been a ruptured beard trauma. I said, OK. Mr. Cummings stood there and said, oh, well, when 00:54:02.460 --> 00:54:11.442 - he hit him, he temporarily lost his sight. And I just looked at him. I didn't say anything at first. 00:54:11.442 --> 00:54:13.310 - I just let him talk. 00:54:14.050 --> 00:54:22.002 - He lost his sight, and he got dizzy, and he passed out. And I said, oh, OK. I said, well, let me ask 00:54:22.002 --> 00:54:29.404 - you this. I said, what's today's date, sir? He said, it's the 27th. And I said, two days now. 00:54:29.404 --> 00:54:37.278 - And you said, he what, punched him, slapped him, hit him? What? He said, he punched him and slapped 00:54:37.278 --> 00:54:42.238 - him. I said, OK, two days now? I said, now, in two days' time. 00:54:43.138 --> 00:54:50.724 - If he did all of that, and this child has a rusted eardrum, he shouldn't have a black eye, am I correct? 00:54:50.724 --> 00:54:58.237 - He said nothing. I said, you said he's white. Is there a handprint on my grandbaby's face? And he said, 00:54:58.237 --> 00:55:05.534 - he just stood there. He said, no. I said, you can't accuse him of that type of horrific blow without 00:55:05.534 --> 00:55:12.542 - something. Give me something. Give me a proof, something, other than what you're saying, because 00:55:13.090 --> 00:55:20.140 - cops who was running around playing with the other children. So there was no loss of consciousness. 00:55:20.140 --> 00:55:27.542 - He had no vertigo. He wasn't dizzy. His equilibrium wasn't off. And he was saying that his optic nerves, 00:55:27.542 --> 00:55:34.522 - I said, let me stop you, sir. You do know you're talking to a retired nurse. And his eyes got big. 00:55:34.522 --> 00:55:41.854 - And I said, uh-uh, uh-uh. Give it to me. I said, you're playing with a retired nurse. And I'm just not. 00:55:42.562 --> 00:55:51.650 - I'm a very educated person, is what I told her. And what you're telling me doesn't match what was in 00:55:51.650 --> 00:56:00.648 - my home. She came to a hospital close to Kentucky, this hospital, instead of taking me to IHIT. And 00:56:00.648 --> 00:56:07.486 - Karen did all the talking. And from what I can read, my grandson was wrong. 00:56:08.610 --> 00:56:15.800 - He was willing to say what she needed to get him out of the house. She's been trying to get this child 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:23.200 - away from him. Judge Braver took the babies. When Octavius, as an infant, his head, he got had a fracture 00:56:23.200 --> 00:56:30.390 - skull. She called me when he had this poops egg on his head, wanted me to diagnose him. I said, uh-uh, 00:56:30.390 --> 00:56:37.022 - you take them to the doctor. That's not a tumor. I said, that's a, he's bleeding. Take him in. 00:56:37.474 --> 00:56:44.786 - I said, what happened to him? She said, well, I don't promise that. I said, well, then, if you didn't 00:56:44.786 --> 00:56:52.170 - do anything, take me to the doctor. She braided to the next day, and she took him up to the Children's 00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:59.339 - Hospital. And he took the kids away. And Ralph got Chi Chi. He was what, three, six, something like 00:56:59.339 --> 00:57:06.078 - that. He hadn't been seven years straight, no problem, until the 24th, December 25th of 2024. 00:57:07.138 --> 00:57:14.875 - And she'd been trying all kinds of methods to get them away. Had her not got sick and took that boy 00:57:14.875 --> 00:57:22.767 - to the doctor, this wouldn't be, he's in DCS care now. He went to Cotavius' grandmother first. No, he 00:57:22.767 --> 00:57:30.582 - went to his sister first. And then they took him out of that home and put him in their grandmother's 00:57:30.582 --> 00:57:35.998 - home because she was doing the same drugs that they found in the home 00:57:36.738 --> 00:57:46.911 - of her sister. Then she started getting sick, and they put my brother back in that one's house. So now 00:57:46.911 --> 00:57:57.183 - Ralph doesn't see him. We haven't seen him since 24. And now I'm reduced to talking to him on Thursdays 00:57:57.183 --> 00:58:06.270 - on the phone. I've been asking him, can I see him? And I'm not giving the right to see him. 00:58:06.754 --> 00:58:14.691 - I even went on Christmas. I said, well, can't we just FaceTime? I don't have to physically see him. 00:58:14.691 --> 00:58:23.025 - I just want to say Merry Christmas and give him his gift. No. But then I look on Facebook. He's so dumb. 00:58:23.025 --> 00:58:31.041 - You know, they're giving rights. Ralph isn't giving any. I'm not giving any. I just don't understand 00:58:31.041 --> 00:58:35.486 - it. So they did a drug test on my son, and they said he 00:58:36.418 --> 00:58:46.122 - drop 30 for cocaine, who's not a cocaine user. My son is a flagger. And you know, flaggers are randomly 00:58:46.122 --> 00:58:55.545 - dropped. He also does security. They randomly drop. He's never failed anything, for anything. And so 00:58:55.545 --> 00:59:05.342 - when he asked for the results of that test, it took him four months to get it. They kept putting it off. 00:59:05.538 --> 00:59:13.113 - putting it off. They went into court with that and said that he was dangerous and the judge removed 00:59:13.113 --> 00:59:20.765 - his visitation and they didn't inform him. He had to ask why and then it was, oh well, you know, you 00:59:20.765 --> 00:59:28.340 - have a positive drop of cocaine and he said, what? I heard false calls. He said, what? He said, I'm 00:59:28.340 --> 00:59:32.734 - not going to do any cocaine. Where did you get that from? 00:59:33.602 --> 00:59:40.943 - He said, well, I want a copy of that. Can you email that to me, please? And he was told that they would, 00:59:40.943 --> 00:59:47.935 - and they didn't. When the, after Lindy got hurt, another DCS worker, Mr. Black, was put on the case 00:59:47.935 --> 00:59:55.067 - because that case worker, I believe she was terminated because she didn't do the wellness checks that 00:59:55.067 --> 00:59:59.262 - she should have done, and consequently, that baby got hurt. 00:59:59.490 --> 01:00:07.937 - And Mr. Black was on a case, and we were telling him about it at the court. And I said, he can't even 01:00:07.937 --> 01:00:16.219 - get the copy of the drug test. And they claimed that he failed. He went right into his phone, asked 01:00:16.219 --> 01:00:24.584 - Ralph for his email, and sent it right to me, right there in the neck. Just as simple. So now my son 01:00:24.584 --> 01:00:29.470 - is still fighting this alleged abuse. The MRI in the case, 01:00:29.826 --> 01:00:39.354 - But they still don't charge him. I don't get it. And I told him, I said, well, do what you have to do. 01:00:39.354 --> 01:00:48.604 - They wanted him to do six months of drug testing. And they wanted him to do the parenting. And then 01:00:48.604 --> 01:00:58.686 - the last court date, the prosecutor put his Second Amendment rights down here. And he said, I don't do this. 01:00:59.106 --> 01:01:04.816 - But she's not taking my amendment right away, because this has nothing to do with that. It's just true. 01:01:04.816 --> 01:01:10.472 - You know, because he has to keep his fire on when he does his security. You know, so I was like, well, 01:01:10.472 --> 01:01:15.963 - what does she got for not taking it? He said, Mom, I don't know. He said, I need that for work. Why 01:01:15.963 --> 01:01:21.618 - is she asking for that? I said, I don't know. I said, tell your daughter to ask me. What is she doing? 01:01:21.618 --> 01:01:27.164 - Why did she add that on? And he said, tell her to take it off. You don't just keep adding, you know, 01:01:27.164 --> 01:01:29.086 - things when you're going to court. 01:01:30.338 --> 01:01:36.811 - It's just awful. They asked him to remove himself from my house. He did. When they came, they said, 01:01:36.811 --> 01:01:43.414 - you have to leave the home. He did. And when he was moving, Mr. Cummings came again to talk to me. At 01:01:43.414 --> 01:01:49.758 - that point, he wanted to talk to the Nigerian vet. And I said, well, you know, they're in school. 01:01:49.758 --> 01:01:56.361 - I said, you can go to the school. He said, Tommy, and she's over at Denver. You're welcome to talk to 01:01:56.361 --> 01:01:58.238 - him. I have nothing to hide. 01:01:58.946 --> 01:02:07.528 - Ralph was moving his things next to a neighbor had moved out and he asked him, he said, let me ask you 01:02:07.528 --> 01:02:15.943 - now before I continue to move. Will it be okay or will it be a problem if I move next door? He said, 01:02:15.943 --> 01:02:24.608 - I don't see why it's a problem. Then he used that against us. Kyle's can't come and visit because Ralph 01:02:24.608 --> 01:02:27.774 - was next door. And I told the lawyer, 01:02:28.290 --> 01:02:34.714 - And Mr. Black, with my lawyer sitting there, I said, he did everything that you all have asked of him. 01:02:34.714 --> 01:02:41.014 - I said, and you keep moving your chest. You're playing champions. What are you doing? You're playing 01:02:41.014 --> 01:02:47.376 - champions. I said, you asked him to move. He did. You didn't say go across the street. You didn't say 01:02:47.376 --> 01:02:53.863 - go down the street. You didn't say go around the corner. You didn't say go in another county. You said, 01:02:53.863 --> 01:02:56.670 - get out of my house. And that's what he did. 01:02:57.154 --> 01:03:03.485 - And when he did, I changed my locks. He has no blue key to my home, and I have none to his. He doesn't 01:03:03.485 --> 01:03:09.693 - come over. He has no reason to, and he doesn't. He doesn't come over right now. Every day, I see him 01:03:09.693 --> 01:03:16.085 - leave, and I see him pull back in with that truck. And he, you know, I wait about, you know, if he sees 01:03:16.085 --> 01:03:22.355 - me, I wait. But he doesn't come over for anything. Absolutely nothing. But they, you know, when Ralph 01:03:22.355 --> 01:03:25.182 - swings the door, you kind of can't come over. 01:03:25.314 --> 01:03:34.455 - I said you can't change the rules as you go. He did what you asked, you know, and and they're just every 01:03:34.455 --> 01:03:43.247 - time you turn around it's something different. So the clients can't come to your house and you can't 01:03:43.247 --> 01:03:52.214 - go to whatever it is. And they told me that I have to be monitored. If they give me visitations I have 01:03:52.214 --> 01:03:53.694 - to be monitored. 01:03:55.362 --> 01:04:03.665 - And then it's, you know, once after so long, they're sitting there watching us talk and interact, then 01:04:03.665 --> 01:04:12.128 - it's a minute before they will leave us to ourselves. And I'm like, hold on, I didn't do anything wrong. 01:04:12.128 --> 01:04:20.189 - I don't have a case. And why am I being treated like that? Why would you do that? And he lived with 01:04:20.189 --> 01:04:24.542 - me for seven years. No, Ralph had me for seven years. 01:04:24.930 --> 01:04:32.534 - But Caius was in my home all the time. Even as a little bitty, I taught him, I probably trained him. 01:04:32.534 --> 01:04:40.213 - I probably trained him, LaVette and Denani all together. It was 10, 11, 12. Now it's 13, and Denani's 01:04:40.213 --> 01:04:48.269 - 12 next month, and Caius just turned 10. So he'll be 11 in August. So it was 11, 12, and 10. So I probably 01:04:48.269 --> 01:04:50.302 - trained them all together. 01:04:51.426 --> 01:04:57.861 - And it's, you know, two that I have, especially kids. And it's a toll on, because it really, what if 01:04:57.861 --> 01:05:04.423 - you come home? I don't know. You know, I don't know. Now when we're getting phone calls, yeah, they're 01:05:04.423 --> 01:05:11.177 - excited, because they haven't seen or heard from them. Kaia's found me on Snapchat. And it was, it popped 01:05:11.177 --> 01:05:17.612 - up while I was on my phone on Snapchat saying, hey, granny. I said, hey, granny. So I opened it. And 01:05:17.612 --> 01:05:20.670 - it's good. So I called it, and we were talking. 01:05:21.410 --> 01:05:29.281 - And then he looked up, I said, who's looking, who's standing there with you? And he looked at the same 01:05:29.281 --> 01:05:36.693 - thing, I said, Kaize. He looked at me saying, yeah. I said, who's standing next to her? He said, 01:05:36.693 --> 01:05:44.410 - Aunt KK. I said, oh, I thought nothing of it. She blocked from talking to me. She blocked him. Yeah, 01:05:44.410 --> 01:05:48.766 - it's a mess. You know, I'm like, really? I nurtured him. 01:05:49.474 --> 01:05:56.814 - The tigress was in my home from time to time, and that baby was in my home all the time. I would even, 01:05:56.814 --> 01:06:03.941 - if she go home, and if I missed her, I would call Karen and say, I need Lucy, I need my missus fix. 01:06:03.941 --> 01:06:11.281 - So she would bring her back, and she would stay two or three weeks with me. She was always in my home. 01:06:11.281 --> 01:06:17.054 - And the last time we saw her was for her birthday in 24. Her birthday is June 7. 01:06:17.698 --> 01:06:24.719 - And she was late to her own party. And I'm like, look at you, fast with those things. And when she realized 01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:31.414 - I was standing there, she got excited and was running across the grass. And she was, grandma, grandma, 01:06:31.414 --> 01:06:38.045 - grandma. And the family thought she was talking about Keira's mom because she was standing like right 01:06:38.045 --> 01:06:44.350 - behind me. But she ran and jumped up in my arms. And everybody went, oh, wow. And she hugged me. 01:06:44.610 --> 01:06:52.201 - pushed back and looked at me and smiled, and she hugged me again really, really tight and showed me 01:06:52.201 --> 01:06:59.791 - her tiara. And we were just laughing. I said, come on, let's go pick all the kids you got. And then 01:06:59.791 --> 01:07:07.382 - we walked over. So can you talk about this conviction, a CPS response on Kira Brown? Well, Kira got 01:07:07.382 --> 01:07:13.758 - convicted for negligence. And she only received seven and a half years incarcerated 01:07:14.434 --> 01:07:24.364 - And then she has to do four and a half once she's out. Is she not in the picture right now? Is she not 01:07:24.364 --> 01:07:34.005 - in the picture right now? No, she's in jail. She's doing her time. She's in jail. And DCS is trying 01:07:34.005 --> 01:07:43.550 - to take his and Katya's together when they never work. So they're making a family for him that was 01:07:44.226 --> 01:07:51.809 - because he was always in my home. So they asked me at one time, Mr. Black called me and asked me at 01:07:51.809 --> 01:07:59.391 - one time, would I take the children? And I said, sure. Why wouldn't I? You know, I said, Tay-Tay is 01:07:59.391 --> 01:08:06.974 - always over here. Yeah, I'll take them. And he was going to go pick them up from school, bring them 01:08:06.974 --> 01:08:13.950 - to me. I said, OK. Well, I'm out shopping. I said, I'll get some extra stuff while I'm out. 01:08:14.978 --> 01:08:24.418 - And then there was nothing. Eight o'clock, I decided to text him. And then the supervisor sent for me 01:08:24.418 --> 01:08:33.765 - to call her. And she told me that she decided to place the children in another home because Ralph is 01:08:33.765 --> 01:08:43.390 - next door. I said, well, it didn't seem to be a problem before, so why all of a sudden is it a problem? 01:08:43.554 --> 01:08:52.279 - I got a text message from Kyla's aunt saying that they took kids from me for drugs. And they're over 01:08:52.279 --> 01:09:01.004 - at Katavius' grandmother's house, just so you know. Wow. And so recently, they just put Katavius and 01:09:01.004 --> 01:09:09.902 - Katavius in the home with the aunt. She and I do know for a fact, she and her boyfriend both do drugs. 01:09:09.902 --> 01:09:12.926 - And it seems it doesn't bother me. 01:09:14.114 --> 01:09:24.558 - for some reason. I just don't get it. I don't know why I'm being punished. I haven't done anything wrong. 01:09:24.558 --> 01:09:35.003 - I've always treated his siblings just like everybody else. I made no difference, no preference. Everybody 01:09:35.003 --> 01:09:42.590 - is an equal. Even when it's a discrepancy, arguing or whatever, I settle it. 01:09:42.882 --> 01:09:52.357 - And I tell whoever is wrong and make whoever needs to apologize, I make them apologize. Now you can 01:09:52.357 --> 01:10:02.116 - go play, go, stop it. And that's the end of, I just don't, you don't do kids like that, you treat them 01:10:02.116 --> 01:10:12.254 - equal. So I don't get it. I just don't get it. Carol did tell Mr. Cummings that I was aware of the alleged 01:10:12.354 --> 01:10:19.497 - abuse that Ralph was doing. I said, I don't know what and where you got that from, but that's not true. 01:10:19.497 --> 01:10:26.433 - Ralph works nights, and I have the kids, so that makes no sense, sir. And then when I talked to her, 01:10:26.433 --> 01:10:33.301 - she let it slip. I said, oh, so that came from you? She said, well, that isn't what I said. I said, 01:10:33.301 --> 01:10:40.512 - well, that's what he said you said, and he has no reason to lie on you. Why did he change what you said? 01:10:40.512 --> 01:10:41.886 - I said, Carrie, you 01:10:42.210 --> 01:10:50.518 - For me under the bus to save your own behind, I don't understand. You know, what are you doing? I said, 01:10:50.518 --> 01:10:58.586 - why would you do that to me? She said, but I didn't say that. I said, he has no reason to lie to me. 01:10:58.586 --> 01:11:06.974 - That's what he said, you told him. And that's what they believe. You know, so now my son is, he's quiet. 01:11:09.826 --> 01:11:17.163 - quiet, he doesn't even interact with the family anymore. That's absolutely nice. He goes to court, I 01:11:17.163 --> 01:11:24.499 - still go to court with him to support him in this court case, and we didn't talk about it, you know, 01:11:24.499 --> 01:11:31.836 - and talk about strategies. I said, because we shouldn't even be doing this. Anytime the MRI is done, 01:11:31.836 --> 01:11:37.502 - and then the radiologist gives their finding, and it's really saying that the 01:11:38.370 --> 01:11:45.585 - The ruptured eardrum is not coming from that. There was no swelling in the ear. There was no blood in 01:11:45.585 --> 01:11:52.800 - the ear. There was no drainage in the ear. There was none in the cranial cavity, which says it didn't 01:11:52.800 --> 01:12:00.298 - come from there. He had a ruptured eardrum, but it didn't come from there. And I told that to the lawyer. 01:12:00.298 --> 01:12:07.230 - She was insisting that there is blood. I said, ma'am, you need to read the medical records again. 01:12:08.258 --> 01:12:14.461 - And she said, I read it, and I said, read it again. I said, because I read it once. And to make sure, 01:12:14.461 --> 01:12:20.664 - I read it again. I said, and then I called my aunt, who was a retired x-ray technician, and I read it 01:12:20.664 --> 01:12:26.806 - with her. I said, and she concurred with me. I said, and before you say anything, because she wanted 01:12:26.806 --> 01:12:33.008 - to open her mouth and say, wait, before you say anything, not only is she a retired x-ray technician, 01:12:33.008 --> 01:12:37.630 - I'm a retired. And she just said, yeah, you don't know what you're reading. 01:12:38.114 --> 01:12:45.576 - I said, read the MRI. I said, in the findings, that's the radiologist reading that and giving what he 01:12:45.576 --> 01:12:53.184 - see on the MRI. And it's not matching what was said in the emergency room. I told her, I said, somebody 01:12:53.184 --> 01:13:00.573 - was lying. And it's not the radiologist. X-rays, MRIs, and CT scans, they don't lie. And so she just 01:13:00.573 --> 01:13:06.718 - looked at it. And I told her, I said, to be honest with you, you don't have a case. 01:13:07.650 --> 01:13:17.949 - But they're still trying to make a case. So, and that's where we are. I just talked to guys a little 01:13:17.949 --> 01:13:28.147 - while ago. It's a Thursday, 1.30, the 30 minutes. It's not fair. Not fair. And I miss my grandbaby. 01:13:28.147 --> 01:13:37.630 - I really do. And the kids miss him. The boys miss him. You know, they share a room together. 01:13:38.402 --> 01:13:47.970 - Denaji is always asking, can I try FaceTime? Can I try to get on Snapchat? I said, you guys really aren't 01:13:47.970 --> 01:13:57.087 - supposed to be on Snapchat. She lets him do Snapchat. I said, technically, you guys are not supposed 01:13:57.087 --> 01:14:06.385 - to be on there. I said, but for the sake of some type of communication, we'll be on there until we can 01:14:06.385 --> 01:14:08.190 - physically see him. 01:14:08.610 --> 01:14:17.055 - Um, but no, I told him, don't you try to reach out, let him reach out, you know, because I don't want 01:14:17.055 --> 01:14:25.335 - them saying that we're harassing him or, you know, because it was said that they, they were worried 01:14:25.335 --> 01:14:33.615 - about me trying to, uh, change his mind about his safety. That's not true because if I thought that 01:14:33.615 --> 01:14:38.334 - there was something wrong, my kids know I will speak up. 01:14:39.234 --> 01:14:46.222 - Whether they like it or not, I will speak up. And I will tell my kids when they know. Yeah, I will. 01:14:46.222 --> 01:14:53.419 - I will tell them when they're wrong. If I thought my son, I knew that something was wrong with college 01:14:53.419 --> 01:15:00.616 - prior to. And if I didn't know that, and they told me that, and I thought my son did that, I would not 01:15:00.616 --> 01:15:07.814 - go to court with him. He is on his own, because I couldn't help him. But I knew that boy couldn't hear 01:15:07.814 --> 01:15:08.862 - prior to that. 01:15:09.378 --> 01:15:17.832 - And she used it. She used it to get what she wanted. I testified. I told Judge Harvey prior to. 01:15:17.832 --> 01:15:26.991 - She heard me. She ignored it. I told her on Easter Sunday, the kids were at Kara's place, and they were 01:15:26.991 --> 01:15:37.118 - getting their Easter eggs. And the adults came out. They opened the door. The smoke came out. The adults came out. 01:15:37.314 --> 01:15:46.892 - Then the kids came out and the wind blew it and I told them it was me and my wife. I know what I smell. 01:15:46.892 --> 01:15:56.102 - She ignored it and she put my grandson in her arms. Like she put him in that house and she took him 01:15:56.102 --> 01:16:03.838 - from our son and put him in that house. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you. 01:16:10.626 --> 01:16:22.444 - Yeah, I'm sorry. Is there anything Council Commission can do? Because the CPS system is completely a 01:16:22.444 --> 01:16:31.454 - function of the state, state, through the county boards. You know, this is a 01:16:31.842 --> 01:16:37.270 - the commission largely purviews the boundaries of the city of Wilmington, how we do policing, how we 01:16:37.270 --> 01:16:42.698 - do public safety within the city of Wilmington. So I think it's something you'll note on the record. 01:16:42.698 --> 01:16:48.179 - I don't know if there's other things that you all have discussed in terms of that council members get 01:16:48.179 --> 01:16:53.661 - out for happy to pass out on council members. I don't know if there's anything other than the purview 01:16:53.661 --> 01:16:59.357 - of the CAHPS commission that's raising awareness of these types of issues in our community. We've reached 01:16:59.357 --> 01:17:00.862 - out to everybody. I've left 01:17:01.378 --> 01:17:09.671 - emails with the governor, as well as my friend Tiffany. I called and talked to the upmost of them. It 01:17:09.671 --> 01:17:18.126 - was a dead end. I tried talking to the supervisors at ECS, they all stiffed us because they were trying 01:17:18.126 --> 01:17:26.501 - to fix what was broken. We can't fix it because what you need is in a grave. You can't fix it. I don't 01:17:26.501 --> 01:17:30.078 - care what you do with it, you can't fix it. 01:17:30.658 --> 01:17:38.210 - The problem is in the grave, that little bitty girl. So you can try to cover it up. It's still there. 01:17:38.210 --> 01:17:45.613 - It falls right back where you should have went in that home and made sure those kids were safe. And 01:17:45.613 --> 01:17:53.239 - they didn't do it. And I know the police were not lying when they gave that report because she trashed 01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:59.902 - a trailer the same way when she needed to move from there and didn't know how to do it or 01:18:00.194 --> 01:18:06.449 - what she's going to do. And I said, well, come on. I'm going to sleep with you, though. I'll help you. 01:18:06.449 --> 01:18:12.644 - I'll help you. And I went over and we went in the house. And I looked and I said, what did you all do 01:18:12.644 --> 01:18:18.899 - in here? It was trash the same way. And the stench that they said, it was in that hall. And I had took 01:18:18.899 --> 01:18:25.155 - the teenage boys, my grandsons, with me. And one of them wanted to say something. I covered his mouth. 01:18:25.155 --> 01:18:29.406 - I said, we're not judging. I said, OK, here's what we're going to do. 01:18:29.634 --> 01:18:36.333 - And I took her to, I said, we're going to Walmart. We're going to get gloves. We're going to get bleach 01:18:36.333 --> 01:18:43.031 - and disinfectants. And we're going to get counseling. We're going to clean this place up. And so I told 01:18:43.031 --> 01:18:49.601 - the boys, sleep. Don't touch anything. Sleep. Everything off the window ledges, on the floor. Because 01:18:49.601 --> 01:18:56.042 - the same thing, they said the dog was in their home. It was the same way in the trailer. And I saw. 01:18:56.042 --> 01:18:59.262 - And I said, just sleep. I said, don't just sleep. 01:18:59.682 --> 01:19:05.577 - I said, bring everything to the middle of the house. I had to go back to my home and get hot water, 01:19:05.577 --> 01:19:11.590 - but she had none. She had no water. In order to flush the toilets. Yeah. And I told her, I said, what 01:19:11.590 --> 01:19:17.545 - time does Missy get off work? I said, she's doing the kitchen. I'm not touching that. The same thing 01:19:17.545 --> 01:19:23.617 - they found in her home. They found it in, it was in the trailer. I witnessed the trailer. I never went 01:19:23.617 --> 01:19:29.630 - in the home, but what I heard on the news and what I read in the report, it was the exact same thing. 01:19:29.858 --> 01:19:35.909 - And I said, I don't know what happened after Ted passed away, which is Carol's father. I said, 01:19:35.909 --> 01:19:42.341 - they just, they went down. They went, I don't know what happened. Missy kept a clean house. I don't, 01:19:42.341 --> 01:19:48.774 - I don't get it. You know, I said, well, I know they're not lying because that was in the trailer. It 01:19:48.774 --> 01:19:55.334 - was ripped, it was awful. And my son went over there and took pictures and stuff and to get his washer 01:19:55.334 --> 01:19:57.054 - and dryer and he was just, 01:19:57.346 --> 01:20:04.927 - video on it and i'm like oh my god i said ralph the trailer was the same one when we went over there 01:20:04.927 --> 01:20:12.433 - and well we cleaned it up and we saved her from getting charged in that trailer but she got charged 01:20:12.433 --> 01:20:20.014 - for that apartment yeah and i did everything i could we cleaned it up i bring the truck we loaded it 01:20:20.014 --> 01:20:27.070 - up i went and rented a storage space we put her in a storage space you know and this has been 01:20:27.426 --> 01:20:38.208 - turn around a year and a half later and that part of my son, I was like, well, that was, that's the 01:20:38.208 --> 01:20:49.314 - thing that I get when he knocks. My greatest thing is that, you know, I want my grandson. I want Trace 01:20:49.314 --> 01:20:56.862 - back where he was with us. Cause he was, you know, he was doing good. 01:20:57.730 --> 01:21:05.752 - And when he got the curve, he wound up meeting three therapists. He wound up over there at the Mill 01:21:05.752 --> 01:21:14.014 - Hospital. My daughter was there and she said, Kyus is there. And I'm like, what? What happened? That's 01:21:14.014 --> 01:21:22.196 - the lesson there. I don't know, there was a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of stuff going on. 01:21:22.196 --> 01:21:26.046 - And it was never like that when he was with us. 01:21:26.818 --> 01:21:36.833 - learned when he got with her, it was mental issues that we had never seen before. And I'm like, I don't 01:21:36.833 --> 01:21:46.462 - know where that's coming from. He does not need to be with them. Definitely not. So when Kaylee is, 01:21:46.462 --> 01:21:56.766 - she's using, taking them places and stuff. She was the aunt that, come and I'll take you to the rural area 01:21:57.122 --> 01:22:08.236 - I'll take you to the amusement park. She was that type. She's not a nurturing aunt. She's that aunt 01:22:08.236 --> 01:22:19.684 - that will come and take them off mom's hands and take them somewhere. He just told me they went to the 01:22:19.684 --> 01:22:24.574 - swimming pool, Kings Island, which is nice. 01:22:25.698 --> 01:22:31.646 - So you have the contact information here you know if there are services that the city that you notice 01:22:31.646 --> 01:22:37.652 - that the city can buy please reach out to us yeah but thank you for sharing this with us today i think 01:22:37.652 --> 01:22:43.950 - we only have two two more items just to go over and these are more future agenda topics for future meetings 01:22:43.950 --> 01:22:49.839 - these are both from council member pete mott smith and i don't know if she's talked to the co-chairs 01:22:49.839 --> 01:22:52.638 - about this already i think you had mentioned it 01:22:52.962 --> 01:22:59.037 - in your minutes from last meeting, you all knew these are coming. She's planning on holding deliberation 01:22:59.037 --> 01:23:04.996 - sessions on public safety. The first one, the topic is, what is public safety on September 9th at 6.30 01:23:04.996 --> 01:23:10.897 - PM? The second one is, how can the city advance public safety? That'll be on October 21st at 6.30 PM. 01:23:10.897 --> 01:23:16.913 - Although those feel pretty far out, Councilmember Piedmont-Smith was really hoping that this commission 01:23:16.913 --> 01:23:19.806 - could weigh in on how those should be structured. 01:23:20.098 --> 01:23:27.137 - kind of those agendas, the topics of conversation and get feedback from this commission. She's out for 01:23:27.137 --> 01:23:34.176 - right now, but I think in July, she might be back and be able to attend this and to kind of guide that 01:23:34.176 --> 01:23:41.215 - discussion a little bit more. I just wanted to give you all a heads up that that's coming. It's in the 01:23:41.215 --> 01:23:48.254 - packet, yeah. Yeah, it's in the packet, but we'll reiterate them that are September, October. But it's 01:23:48.254 --> 01:23:49.758 - just to flag you that 01:23:50.242 --> 01:23:56.362 - She's going to ask you for your input, ask you to participate in those. And that should be here in July 01:23:56.362 --> 01:24:02.365 - is the next time. So speak about that. And then that next meeting scheduled currently is July 16th at 01:24:02.365 --> 01:24:08.309 - four or five 30. Now this one is scheduled for the Kelly conference room downstairs, just so you all 01:24:08.309 --> 01:24:14.252 - know. I don't know why maybe they're in conference. Every other one is an absent. Every other one is 01:24:14.252 --> 01:24:19.902 - an absent. But next month for whatever reason is scheduled in Kelly four or five 30, of course, 01:24:20.290 --> 01:24:25.922 - feedback, other questions that you think of outside of the meeting, please send them our way. We're 01:24:25.922 --> 01:24:31.836 - going to work on this. Very similarly, we'll send out our draft agenda. And I may send that out a little 01:24:31.836 --> 01:24:37.468 - bit early to the co-chairs. It's just a draft, just so you can see it and start editing it and have 01:24:37.468 --> 01:24:43.157 - the suggestions that we have lined up for the next meeting. If you all do have individual questions, 01:24:48.930 --> 01:24:58.339 - The last time we met, which was a while ago, we talked about getting results from, I think, from the 01:24:58.339 --> 01:25:07.934 - police department about how many social workers are taking and that sort of thing. And somehow it kind 01:25:07.934 --> 01:25:12.126 - of got dropped. It just fell off the agenda. 01:25:13.058 --> 01:25:24.175 - So how many, can you help me, how many calls social workers are taking generally, or some specific time? 01:25:24.175 --> 01:25:35.186 - At least, yeah. Okay, do you remember when we were going to talk about how effective they are and yeah. 01:25:35.186 --> 01:25:42.174 - Okay, so how effective they are, how many calls are they getting? 01:25:42.562 --> 01:25:48.615 - I think we were, the reason since we answered the question was because we're also tying on the leap 01:25:48.615 --> 01:25:55.032 - questions we had back then, which are still the same questions we had back then. That'll answer, I think, 01:25:55.032 --> 01:26:01.448 - some of those questions, hopefully. We'll find out, like, the actual... Will we get some more information 01:26:01.448 --> 01:26:07.622 - about the idea of being included? I think it feels like it would be included, but also to the list of 01:26:07.622 --> 01:26:11.678 - styles, work data, and information. I'm not sure if that's more... 01:26:11.810 --> 01:26:16.922 - I think in terms of guests, it would probably make sense to space it out. So in terms of priority, would 01:26:16.922 --> 01:26:21.986 - you rather have a dispatcher or a social worker here next time in terms of inviting somebody? We talked 01:26:21.986 --> 01:26:26.952 - about dispatch, how dispatch work and having maybe somebody from there come and visit. Any preference 01:26:26.952 --> 01:26:32.064 - about that? I feel like the dispatch will be helpful if we start to get that information, because that's 01:26:32.064 --> 01:26:36.982 - the person, that's the thing I had the most questions about. But also the dispatch will have answers 01:26:36.982 --> 01:26:37.566 - about who's 01:26:37.794 --> 01:26:46.617 - When social workers, yeah. I just want to make sure our priorities are correct. If you're like, I want 01:26:46.617 --> 01:26:55.355 - to hear from a social worker next time, then one doesn't show up. So we can extend the anxiety plenty 01:26:55.355 --> 01:27:04.264 - of times instead. The discussion I think is probably, yeah. I also reached out to Boris Gilmore to find 01:27:04.264 --> 01:27:07.262 - out what's happening with the new, 01:27:07.394 --> 01:27:13.840 - But if you can get back to me, and I don't know who else to talk to about that. If anyone has any suggestions 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:19.700 - about not making contact to find out what was happening within their building. Well, there are more 01:27:19.700 --> 01:27:25.560 - contacts than Beacon that could, because I know Force is just the one guy on top of this. There's a 01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:31.419 - lot of people in the middle. So I feel like if you reach out, maybe a generic Beacon email, there's 01:27:31.419 --> 01:27:33.822 - kind of something you're ready to, like, 01:27:35.650 --> 01:27:43.222 - about the amount of work they're doing to get that moving. I know lots of the faces, but I don't remember 01:27:43.222 --> 01:27:50.795 - names. So I don't know those keepers kind of send that. Okay. It has approached me to just go over there. 01:27:50.795 --> 01:27:58.081 - I feel like they're upset. It might be a nice. What are the emails that are for you? That takes us to 01:27:58.081 --> 01:28:03.582 - full time. So thank you all for spending an hour and a half with us, Adrian. 01:28:03.842 --> 01:28:13.753 - enduring the chaos of it. In the meantime, we're happy also. Thank you for sharing your story with us. 01:28:13.753 --> 01:28:15.870 - Thanks for your time.