So this is the Caps Commission meeting, June 18th, 2026, 4 p.m. Just for everybody to be aware, in the
original notice it said we were going to be in the Kelly Conference Room. We've posted a sign at the
Kelly Conference Room. We're actually meeting in the Allison Conference Room in room 225 of City Hall.
Any questions before we begin? No? So I thought it was going to be live. Which it was.
I can do that. If you all want to do roll call, if one of the co-chairs wants to call roll, that's great.
And then I can go and monitor those. Or just you can go around the room and just announce that you're
here. Kyle, co-chair. Michael Burton.
Yeah, I'm Lauren Brownsburg. Good to see you. Sharon Rachel Baum, member. I got a question. Evan's our
previous guy. All right, did everyone get a chance to... Did everyone get a chance to look over the agenda
Yeah. Sorry, I was at the, uh, I was at the eye doctors and they did the drops and so my pupils are
all. Yeah. So then we have to do the approval of gender, right? Yes. And that's a boat call. We have
everybody, is there anybody joining remotely that's got a commission? I don't think anyone else from
the commission is showing up. Yeah, so.
We're going to make a motion to approve the agenda. All in favor, say aye. All opposed. And then it's
approved. And then reports. Is there any report from Kenny? Do you have anything you want to report?
I guess the only thing that would be that we're still figuring out how this all works. We have
some hopefully some helping hands and or some directive people and ideas coming to keep this thing moving
forward versus where it's been at. A couple of people on top of a couple of people post frustrations
of the last meeting stuff, but it seems like maybe as stated, we didn't, the SS3 unique
Do any members have anything they want to report? We've been waiting to meet, so. Staff, any reports?
No reports from staff, thank you. And then public comment, I don't think we have anyone from the public?
There's a couple members. Does anybody from the public want to comment? Please raise your hand. On Zoom,
there's no one else in the room, so. Jesse?
So the only old business we have, because everything's kind of been ongoing in our jump-skip of meetings,
we're trying to hunker them down, the old business is the discussion of law force action partnership
study and status. I know the last time we met was a couple months ago, and I know we were waiting on
that to start, previously from the other information we'd been given. I do believe that in the packet there was
more information given just kind of about the timeline on things, maybe to help answer some questions
there. So if anybody has any questions about that, I know we were hopefully one of the stakeholders
and it looks like we were in the three, four month area of when that information can start being shared.
I don't know what to do next on that. I know that Council Member Isabel P. Monsmith has
reached out about some of the information, but I don't know if anything has been really back or if there's
been any open doors into that information as they're learning it. I'll take it as staff. We haven't
received anything. Council member Daley has any updates on it, but we are happy to look into it. So
for your next meeting.
You know, we'll also request an update so we can give you an update of where they are in that process.
Yeah, I was wanting to make sure that. I have to write an email again, which I don't think anyone enjoys.
Yeah, we can do that. Thank you. I appreciate that. We'd love to know what direction it's heading as
it's heading so we can also help participate as the citizens. The actual status, yeah. Yeah, I'm assuming
they catch the chat and start the process. Yeah.
We'll find out where they are in the process. That's great. Thank you very much. Is there anything anyone
wants to talk about pertaining to that? I know we're on the wrong road. Can we clarify who is affiliated
with us? Is it the council? There was a question about that in our last meeting. What do you think?
Yeah, I don't really have to. Do we always have to have a lawyer here with us? You don't always have
to. So it's not required by any stretch of the imagination. It's helpful sometimes. I'm here because
understanding that your last meeting, one, we didn't have one last time. For what I understood, you'll
have questions. And so I want to make sure someone was available to try to answer your questions to
the extent I can't answer your questions to respond, to actually go get that information and respond.
And you get into it, so you don't have to wait another month for it.
In terms of regular functioning, the way there are different ways each commission functions across the
city. And this can be either way. Just to be frank, one, you could have a staff of admin staff member
assigned. Usually there's a liaison in this case. I think historically has been
please correct me if I'm wrong, that has been that legal researcher slash assistant position in the
council's office, has been that person to come set up the meeting, take notes, kind of send out the
packets to you all, things like that. We don't have that position right now. We have a couple of fellows,
one of them's online here, Evan. Evan is one of our wonderful fellows. We have another fellow from IU.
They are part-time. They are students. They are here for the experience. And then I am part-time attorney
helping out.
the council is in the process of hiring full-time staff again. So we anticipate that that will be staffed
up and likely, you know, to the extent you want, you can have one of the attorneys come here as well.
You can either request it if you don't think you need one all the time or it can be a matter of course.
There are some boards that like to have an attorney every single meeting to kind of guide the scope
of the work, what the mission is, things like that. And we're definitely, that's a service that we provide
and we're happy to be.
So, and to the extent I'll be here, my guess is I will be with council office overlap with the new attorneys,
the current plan. So I'd likely be here at least for another month and then possibly a little bit beyond
for budget and try to help over our transition. So any, I'm asking you questions and anything you're
telling me, I'm going to transition that onto the next person so that we don't lose that information.
You guys have to go through this all again as a gap in information. So I apologize, that's a long-winded
answer. Does that help? Is that helpful to you in terms of, yeah.
As a matter of course though, you're correct in terms of the frustrations that were sent out. One,
very sorry. I'm very sorry because we just left out here on your own. That's not fair. Two, packets,
assemblies of agendas. Our staff should always be working with the co-chairs setting up that agenda.
So if you have agenda items, make sure you're working through your co-chairs to make sure that's on
the agenda. We'll send out an agenda with a packet if there's external materials.
on a regular basis. Ideally, that happens actually more like a week before the meeting as opposed to
two or one day before the meeting. Going forward, usually it's at least the time of the notice, which
is 48 hours before the meeting. It's what we're going to assume at a minimum. But given your scope and
what this commission does, I think as a matter of policy, it should be a week before. You all are digging
through some dense reports.
making recommendations carefully. That's a long, that's a lot to read through. And so it's, it's really
unfair. You can only keep it 48 hours. What's happening? That's very helpful. This is one thing we're,
we're not sure anything. You know what, man, that's been true to a lot of people. I've seen a lot of
faces in the short amount of time. I have no idea. So didn't have the answers.
Anything else pertaining to LEAP that anyone wants to chat about? So it's waiting for more information
so we can actually chat about it. Okay, cool. Let's move on to new business. I guess this one would
have been an old business as well, but I didn't catch that. The FOP cameras and contracts, I guess it's
still new. We haven't really met. I know the last time we met, we had received notification that
contract was not renewed. I know there's been some still some ongoing things with Flock itself that
we have contracts for and or are still in a longer contract. Still kind of just sitting through all
that stuff and paying attention, but I know that the legislation from council, which kind of spurred
the reaction of all this stuff further
I think they're working on that, and that should be something that we maybe can help with as that gets
solidified. Isabel Piedron-Smith had said that maybe that's a better item for July once it's more formalized,
so we can actually understand what that looks like and how that legislation or process will go. If anyone
has anything to add to that, I know we talked about it pretty a lot there for a minute.
Can you help us understand current state? Because my understanding was that the contract was not extended.
The last time we talked, two months ago, it was still active. And I had heard that through little five
weekends that we would still have the flood cameras active. And it seems like there isn't, as you were
alluding to, some complexity. It isn't an off or on necessarily.
state and that there are other contracts and other ways these might be used. It would be nice to have
a breakdown, just like a clear, crisp understanding of what the status of the flock cameras are now
and then what the next steps are here. Is that something you can help with? Absolutely. So we have reached
out about that information a little bit. We've been trying to gather information generally as well.
What we have so far, very similar, like the contracts have been terminated. Those are done.
Some flock cameras have been removed. There's an open question about cameras that are stationary around
the city and what contractors are governed under, and some that are governed maybe not under flock itself,
but maybe under different providers. And so we'll try to get that information. So you actually have
some details of what those look like. The other thing is, to your point, we have a council that are
working on legislation that would be encompassing regardless of manufacturer or system, potentially regular.
And it puts that ends. One of the things that I was curious about, and I just apologize, I don't know
how to get to this information, but I was assuming when the flock contract was originally set up or
these other contracts with different vendors were set up, that the city probably went through some sort
of RPR, RFI process, which indicates that there probably were sometimes some requirements or some sort
of expectations going into that review process.
I think it's interesting to know what those were and what that RPR5 process was. Certainly political.
Request for information or request for quote is a way that an entity can engage with multiple companies
to get a quote. I'm like, hey, we have a need for security cameras, right? And they can send out this
packet to flock into other people, companies, and they will respond with a presentation or a quote
that outlines how they can meet those requirements. And I'm just curious about how that process works
and if there's still like a desire to go forward to resolve those requirements in another way. Yeah.
And the other issue we're looking into is, because there are other assets in our community, I think
that you're well aware of. So by both Monroe County and IU. And so what access does the city have to
those systems as well?
Yeah, I can pull the out. I don't know if it was an RFP, but if it is, then we'll pull that and have
that information for you for next time. Thank you very much. I would guess in this case, it'd be more
likely to be an RFP than an RFI, but yeah. Before, there's still some things happening, but I know the
replacement
We were kind of looking at what other companies are good in that field, and turns out they're not. But
I think that's where it's nice that the council is talking about the future, the longevity of the plan,
so that it's like, when can tech be, when and how can tech be put into city use without the proper checks?
So hopefully, seeing the legislation will be nice too. It's such a powerful,
And I know that there are multiple stories and cases where it has been very helpful, right? You know,
locating people, finding, you know, identifying cars where there was, you know, potential, you know,
kidnapping going on and we knew this crime and it was able to find that car, right?
But as we all know, from what we're supposed to be doing with this mission inspector discussing the
challenges of that technology and making sure we're comprehending those and that those are taken into
consideration because it's such a scary technology as well. I said absolutely nothing about biologics.
Yeah, yeah. I was like, if we don't talk about it, then where are we going to figure it out?
I think that's on the right direction. Thank you for listening to city council. Yeah, thank you for
creating this comprehensive view of it both sides. I don't even know some of the words that we were
using earlier, so it's good to learn those things. Yeah, it looks like on the city website there is
also like the official FLOC statement as well. And then usually this is, so there's a search channel
for the subject.
Always more, but excited to see the legislation and see how we can create a better future for everyone
with that. Okay, then that's the big one. The next, is everyone cool on the thought conversation? Is
there anything anyone else wants to add or pick apart before we get all the information for next time?
So what are we expecting to information for next time? Well, it sounds like we're going to get some
some of the clarity questions of like, we'll try to give you what's the current status is. So to make
sure are there any cameras still existing? What can we gather about any other systems that are in place?
Whether there's an original RFP or? Already said there's already been in the report that we got yesterday
that there's cameras that still exist and that they share information with
that the motor company shares office and I use, they'll have block cameras and then share, that we share
information. Just because Bloomington doesn't have that agreement doesn't mean you can't receive it.
Yeah, it doesn't mean that they're not still accessing that information through resources. I mean, I'm
not starting there. No, no, you're good. I'm just trying to set, these are the, we'll try to put this
all together in one,
kind of report for you when we come back and kind of verify that, put it all together. Easier to digest
when there's actual answers and problems? Shockingly, yeah. That way. Those are the main points that
I think we're bringing back to you. And then if there's any update on legislation, we'll also put that
up. And does the city of Wilmington have any influence over what IU can do or can't do? I shouldn't say no.
It's not zero, but it's not a lot. So IU is a separate statutory entity, obviously. They have their
separate police force that they completely govern. So from that standpoint, the city of Bloomington
has no authority to tell IU what to do. There is obviously a relationship between the local units of
the city, county, and IU. They do meet frequently at an executive level, have those items discussed,
so that could also be
a point of discussion to hear with and with council is to the extent that, you know, informally,
you know, call town-gown meetings. And to the extent that those town-gown meetings have to be an agenda
item for, to try to request that the executives have that conversation and then bring us some information
as possible. I know that that's not a satisfactory answer, but that's the answer. It's our answer, which
we're pretty well, yeah.
Thank you for gathering that stuff for us as well. And then the next item is the safety report that
was published by the mayor's office recently. We haven't had a chance to read and go over that as a group.
I was doing it in the first few reads this week. Once I was reminded of it, did everyone get a chance
to read it? It's a lot of statistics, which is hard to totally absorb. Right. I thought it was interesting
that crime in general over all of the staff that violent crimes were of. Yeah.
I was trying to zoom out to see where it was, and it was pivoted from the ups to the downs, and I was
like, wait, what? And so there was a lot of percentages where I was like, I don't... Yeah, I think it
was just interesting to... This information's pulled from the dispatch in it. Dispatch was 12 out of
the 16 other things, and there were 12 people in the dispatch. Yeah, I was like...
I was like, I knew they were missing staff. I didn't realize they were missing the majority of staff.
But I guess that's because I don't know much about the dispatch. They were always talking about it,
and I was like, hey, maybe that's why they can keep them, because it sounds like maybe they're doing
a lot of work. Yeah, which I just thought was intriguing that that large gap was
dispatch while we're gaining our gap of the police force. I also know that from a 911 perspective, right,
there are a lot of complexities and maybe some vagaries between, like, there isn't just one 911 instance,
right? There's different, like, elements of that and understanding how they, I am a little confused
by how they interact with each other.
you know, once calls come in, how do they get dispatched into it? How do they get dispatched? So I think
it's a complex story around how the different dispatch units work together here at Southern Indiana.
I mean, it obviously does, right? The calls come in and resources get dispatched out, but yeah, it's
a little opaque how that system works and what the,
So then when it comes to understanding like from the lead effort and how we integrate with that, I think
being able to have more clarity about how the discussions work together is going to be helpful for us
in understanding what the response is, what they're going to be saying about this. Does that make sense?
Sorry. Sorry.
Yeah, I think we can look at all these numbers, but we actually providing how the none of us now dispatchers
without some kind of like firsthand. Yeah, knowledge and I know we've wanted to talk to someone, especially
around the idea that part of dispatch supposed to be social workers.
Dispatch work, do the police department. They assign everything. Okay. Because they're part of the non-sworn
staffing, right? Yes. Do you know if there's any movement on getting more staffed or how, compared to
what it seems like, the effort to incentivize police and the fire department to get them staffed up,
Dispatches. Yes, there's been a there's been a coordinated effort to make some updates to dispatch.
I know the deputy mayor was just touting some of the Head wake that they made in that regard the other
day. I don't know what the current staffing levels. So remember, this is a 20 report about the status.
I think it's more staff.
and then what's reflected in this report. Once again, we try to obtain more information. If you all
would like to potentially invite someone who knows something about dispatch to attend a meeting, invite
them to come and give a briefing on that. The other question I have for you all is I know in the past
you all have written responses to this report over a period of time and published those. Is that something
that this board is interested in doing as bringing this back for future meetings, especially
Writing your own response to this or is it more just diving into the numbers a little bit more at this
point? Are we going to get a new response to our response or is that it? I can't tell you that for certain,
but we certainly won't if we don't put a response at it. I guess at the time, I can't even conceptualize
doing that based on where we are as a committee anyways, or commission anyways. So it's like hard to
imagine being like, oh yeah, we have
the time to respond and figure it out without but I guess it's like we could all write on our own and
then bring it to each other it's not against to talk about those ideas to then try to formulate stuff
or one of the ways that could work so to not violate open door laws of course is if you if you do have
something wants about it and then put it on the future agenda if you want to send it to us we could
co-link those all together and it could go out and the next packet that that way you could kind of have
a look at all around each other
and then start to correlate that and give us some direction about how you'd like that to look at the
California. If you want more information, please just let us know and we can try. I mean, again, I can't
make promises of what I feel we will put out invitations out there and work with council members to
potentially get you the information. So my review of the document isn't as comprehensive yet as I would
like it to be.
like a couple of passes that I made through. I don't see any statistics or information associated with
minorities associated with the statistics that we've got. Was it there and I missed it? I think that's,
it's not in this one, but I've seen it on the city website as well. Have you done it around the city
website? Not yet. But that'd be something that it's in suspicious between some
technology forward. When I look at it, it looks like gibberish diving into the files. But the thing
is that there was breakdowns of lots of that stuff in there as well, because it has to be on there.
So that's in the part of the website. I think you can look up whole sections of things that have to
do with the police, the response, all that stuff. I know there's one in here about
that I looked through and I started seeing maybe some breakdowns of. What's that URL? It's just the
Bloomington.in.gov. And then in the information, yeah, because everything has to be on the website.
You have to have the information sharing. I guess there's some things that are hidden until requested,
but another police journal is in there. And that was something we looked at previously. OK. I think you'll
maybe be able to process and lots of other than us. Honestly, the only mention of minorities in the
report is our tradition that we exist, right? Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I know it's somewhere in there.
It's a website that I'm still learning. Check that out, because I think that's where I was like, you
might be better at digging up when we actually load more information
When I go in, it's chaos. Yeah, and my co-host is telling me anything. There is a note that there's
a data portal on the City of Millicent's website that usually is all the databases combined. It's data.borgington.io
and that'll take you directly there. You can kind of browse a broad category of data. I don't know if
that's where you found this, but I'm just looking for it right now, but generally, there we go.
helpful in the beginning of the circular flush some of us about sure sure yeah research and research
can. What there are variety of data points in that.
catalog culture service, accident, citizen points, officer involved shootings, domestic violence,
et cetera, that you could go through. And if you do have specific questions, again, please reach out
to us. How do I, how does one reach out to you? If you want to reach out to me directly, it's
just larry.allen at homington.com. We also do see, we all monitor the council.
Council members see that, but also council staff has access. Now we're in a courier council based mission.
Yes. Thank you, sir. Yeah, be careful when we're starting threads. Nowadays, we were lost in the sea
of threads. I think we'll have a very
symbols for each agenda back in and stuff like that. We can look in. As we've talked about for an individual
council member, so I just be reaching out, it should be a... I think you can reach out if you have questions
personally about anything. I think it's going to start to get a few people in the email, then it starts
to break the open door law of mechanic decisions. There's an ambiguity into the open door law with the
email. So it's like, you're going to want to email to set up meetings. And I think we can email because
we're setting up
The agenda, the end. That's why email, like when your feedback for this report, email to us as opposed
to each other. So receiving information counts as one of the official functions for the door law purposes.
That's why email violates the door law is you are receiving information by sending emails. Agenda scheduling
is okay, but typically any other information is prohibited without an official meeting notice. Okay,
so the safest way.
is to send it directly to us and we can, we can always disseminate information out to you. It's just
you sharing information, because I'm not public. The state of India doesn't care if I send you information,
but they care if you send each other. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is everybody, is it a requirement now that everyone
on the commission is going to have to take the training that was sent out by Jennifer? It would be really
ideal, because it's
I'll just say it is a long sale, just understanding the various parts, the way the boards function.
If you don't have time, if you want, if you need other assistance, again, please reach out. We can try
to coordinate with you to get you that information or get you at least like the presentation you can
look through so you have some information. But if you do have the time and ability to attend it, I would
encourage you to do that. What important you met? She sent out the invite to everyone on commission,
so you should have had it in your email.
with a couple of dates that were the in-person nursing dates. I know they already did. There might be
another one. I did it a couple weeks ago. I sent it for the one that came right after our last meeting.
The invite for the commission training. I went to one of the in-person, I came to the council hall and
did it. It was something really like, oh, well there's the direct answers to a lot of the questions that I've
But maybe one, okay. But I know you said they're gonna do it again, probably, and or? I hope so. If
they don't, though, we can send you the presentation. Or honestly, if you all missed it, and there's
enough of you interested, we'll just bring you in, and I can do you the orientation. It's no big deal.
Yeah, the PowerPoint was very helpful to set up a slide about open door law things and other questions
pertaining
And just so you know, that kind of training, whenever you're trying to be a board of commission member,
that does not have to be open door law. It's a specific exemption at the board of law. So you can be
trained on how to be a board member without violating. Okay. I'm fun at parties, really. Well, for my
birthday. You want some open door wall quiz? Whatever, okay.
I would say let's get you a better party. Well, this is bright a week before Christmas, so you can do
trivia and gifts. That sounds fun. This is the present and a birthday present. I enjoyed it. It's always
very helpful. I very much could have missed it. I don't know if I could if I can.
I have a note, I put a note here to follow up with Jennifer, and then I'll send an email out to you
all about it. I'm also not on this list of officers serving on the committee. Okay. It seems like my
name is not here. And while I'm here, can you meet on the website? What's it again? Camilla Brown, Sparks,
Robert Fernandes, Day, Eric. Is it the Packard or the website? Packard. I'm so sorry. Thank you for
alerting us.
Well, yours are your own website, for sure. Okay. And I will have another vacancy, too, so if, you know,
a lot of people leave you to mince a joint, it makes this more of a harder conversation, more hand-to-hand,
global things. That would be awesome. I've tried. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to spend before, too. Nothing's
happening. Sorry. What else do we have?
Yeah, right. And Robert couldn't data so longer. I was like, yeah, that's the packet. Yeah, that's the
packet. Jason, it's just an old one. So what am I going to do? Five of us now. What? Five of us now.
It's Tarsin. Yeah. Did Tarsin leave? No, Tarsin's still, Tarsin's just traveling. Right. But they didn't
resign the email that I saw.
We got one, which is not, because we need to get more people, we can make it. Some, if we know people.
Yeah, spread it out. The last two decades, the same, those three months. Yeah. Okay, do we want to move
on from, or move into our next, so I think we can have, maybe read the safety report more, and that's all.
start to figure out some other questions that we have about things as they pertain to all the other,
because it pertains to FOC as well as the LEAP study and things we're trying to continue to work on.
So maybe we'll continue that as one of our threads into everything else. The next business, new business
is the resident health and safety issues. We've got two bullet points under there.
Um, I just wanted to kind of like keep the, the person who talked a little bit about the death that
had happened outside of the bird and the barbershop. Um, I didn't gather much more information because
that's what I saw on like Jeremy Hoeven's response and other people's responses, but, um, I'm going
to continue to check that out as it pertains to what it is we do.
and see where that story goes. But, bummer. Okay, I know winter, we have emergency shelters and other
things that our city does help provide, but I know summer, that's something we don't have. The similar
response to, especially with the heat and other tornadoes now in high school.
I don't think there's an emergency shelter for overnight. And I know the city says that they put out
the water stations after a certain temperature, but I know that didn't happen with the ones that climbed
up last week. So the more and more as people struggle outside,
And with money now, you can't revive all of the other neighbors. Yeah, so I think something to pay attention
to is that pertains to how our houseless neighbors and other neighbors are kind of being taken care
of through those versus being fully ignored. But I saw the banner in the mayor's office, the TV saw
off. So let's hope we're doing that.
That's, I just wanted to bring that up as part of the meetings, that it's something that we can continue
talking about as we move through summer and also through the responses and alternatives to police and
how we can support other folks. I'll keep looking at the case to see what unveils itself and what kind
of response we get from the city itself. The next one under that is,
I'll see. I did have the drum usage one. Oh yeah, you got some stuff on that? Yeah, I did have set the
clock about it for you. Yeah, yeah. So you want to continue through your section and come back to it?
Sure. So you want to, after we can, let's see, you want to go to the, or do you want to do this one
first? I do not care. There was one in the gym, so we're checking that. I think we put it on there,
but. Um, so there's, right, there was- Oh, I skipped it there. I'm sorry, that was my fault. No,
it's okay. That's fine. Let's jump back.
So this is related to the drug use, and a little bit more about it, too. So the incident was on April
6, 2026, with the woman's name is Heather Engel. There was a six-hour police standoff here in Bloomington
that involved a 37-year-old woman who barricaded herself inside a South Rock port home on April 6, after
allegedly catching her boyfriend outside with knives, chasing her boyfriend outside with knives. Police
used a drone to locate her before the incident.
So instead of timeline, there was an initial call. We came in at 4.30 PM. Police were dispatched to
the home, the 2,000 block in the south of Brockport Road. A 53-year-old man told dispatchers that the
woman, later identified as Heather Eagle, had chased him from the house while armed with two kitchen
knives. Arriving officers observed that the woman was inside the residence with a knife. She refused
to cooperate or communicate with the crisis negotiation team, locking the barricade
her doors. After securing a search warrant, the department's search for the critical incident response
team sent a remotely piloted aerial vehicle inside the home to find her location. After the drone located
her, she reportedly squandered it down out of the air, grabbed it, and smashed it against the wall,
causing significant damage. Officers then deployed chemical gas into the residence to force compliance.
At about 1030 p.m., she crawled out of a window and was taken into custody without further physical
injury. Charges were, as she was booked into Murrow County Hospital Jail, preliminary charges included
intimidation, a Level 5 felony, domestic battery, Class A misdemeanor, and criminal mischief, Class
A misdemeanor. So what I was trying to understand, and this might be another area where you can kind
of help, right, is that
what I was trying to understand is what is the escalation process by which the cert or officers can
use things like putting a drone into someone's house or using chemical weapons to get a person out of
a facility. What I was able to find is that officers can make
decisions in the moment with relatively little escalation and they believe that their personal safety
is involved. But the way I was, what I was able to find kind of research wise talked about a more of
a circular escalation process than a rather sort of straight up and down process. But it talked about
how when we use something like drones or chemical agents as part of an arrest,
that there should be some sort of documentation, some sort of post-event evaluation. And I couldn't
find that. And I didn't know what the tools were to find such a thing. And so I think it would be, I'm
interested in knowing how that works, that we send drones into someone's private residence, tear gas
into a private residence, if she is
in her house, what is the risk to officer safety at that point? How does that work from a timing perspective?
Obviously, these are tools that are, again, very valuable to be used, but it just seemed a little shocking
to me that we sent a drone in and it was destroyed. She's obviously going to be made to
pay for the drone against our house. I'm sure it's part of the range of the case, but I would love to
be able to get more information specifically about the case rather than sort of theory of operations.
So about this specific case as opposed to generally how these forces go? Yes. We could do that. I don't
have any specific case right now.
But that's what I've been able to find out. Do you have any questions for me on that report out? Starting
to look like it looks like in the data set that there's some information about the UAVs flight data,
but I also can't read it myself. Something I'm not gonna be able to read better if you get in there.
It does seem like it might violate
rules of search and seizure or something like that? It probably doesn't. So there's going to be two
paths, kind of, which is one is imminent threat of danger. So that counts to both yourself and others,
potentially. And so that creates what's called an exigent circumstance in which the officers may be
able to enter the facility or the building. This would count as an injury.
So, you know, and instead of using an officer to enter, you're using another device center. The other
path obviously is a warrant. You could potentially get a warrant if she started to heal somebody, you
don't believe there's negligence of circumstance. Justifying that, though you have probable, probable
to crimes but committed, you can go to the judge and apply for a warrant at the time. This sounds probably
more like it fit in the, I don't know, I'm not claiming that I know. It sounds like it probably fit
more in the exigent circumstances than it did a warrant, just because someone
So if someone came running out a threat for their life, if there were statements of threats, generally,
and I know this is too much theory and you want more specifics about this, use of force, the reason
why you don't see that necessarily is that that is governed a little bit by a novel that use of force
with you, typically governed by a standard operating procedure within the police themselves. And so
once the use of force is deployed,
you know, whether it's lethal or non-lethal use of force, it does have to be documented. It is reviewed
by two supervisory officers. If there is, I believe it's injury and or death, so I think it's even injury,
but please, I'll double check all of this to make sure that I'm 100% right. I'm just gonna give you
my off-the-cuff memory. If it's injury or death, then the supervising officers are to review my Cambridge.
at that point to make sure that the use of force is correct. And then they have to sign off on the report
on the use of force. But that documentation typically resides within the police force and within the
file itself. It's not just put up on the website. So that's one of those issues. I'll try to get more
specific information about this case if we can and check it out. It could be that with the way the SOPs
are written and work structures are written, processes where
I was just, as part of what I do on the caps, it would be nice to follow up and just validate how that
process went and have someone check on it. Because I don't know if many people know how to work. So
that's what I would like. Yeah, that's great. Sorry, just to make sure if you had something else, I'm
going to make sure I capture it. I think that was an ellipsis that time.
So I think that's it for me for that report out. But I'm on whatever I'd love to, yeah, get more information
and we can maybe see where that goes. Yeah. We'll definitely make the attempt. All right. You want to
move on to the next item on the agenda? The next item is about
a family reunification while I'm the best of the child. There was a best when Peter Brown, she, well,
I guess I would like her to come with me because she can do a better job of time. Yeah, I bet there
is. And then we'll turn it on. You could recognize her. Yeah, that's okay. This isn't gonna be an easy.
Hello. Hi, thanks for being here. I'm Coyus Murphy. I'm his grandmother. He was the little boy last
year in August that was told to watch his little sister breathe when the mother put her in the bed every
10 minutes and made the notes if anybody remembers.
And the following day, they found the baby unresponsive, a three-year-old. She got into this drug called
Spice, that they had laying in the baby's reach. And Carrie was talking to me with kindness. When they
start crawling and reaching, anything from the door knock down, the lost student, everything grows up.
She hit the door. And consequences is, we lost a sweet little girl. Pius was taken from us, his father,
my son, Rappler. On the 25th of December, 2024, with an alleged, he hit me in the head and consequences,
I have a broken ear drum.
Prior to that, Caius complained of not hearing me. He couldn't hear. And I was cooking the day that
he got injured. My other grandson came downstairs and said, Granny, Caius and Taytay, that's his little
brother, Plataeus, are upstairs screaming in each other's ears. And I said, what? I said, and I was
on the phone with my friend.
And I said, let me go see what the boys are doing. I said, that's not right. I turned the stove off
and I was on my way up the stairs and I heard the screaming and she went, oh my God. So Tavius was coming
out with his ear and he was sitting there doing his hair and laughing. Then I said, guys, what are you
guys doing? And he said, we're just playing, granny. I said, no, no, no, you can rupture your hair down
like that.
I'm a retired nurse and I told, you can rupture your ear drum with that. You know, and not only that,
he had a habit of going in the Q-tips and trying to clean his ears. And so I put him in my room. I caught
him coming out of my bedroom, out of my bathroom. And I'm like, what are you doing in my room? Dude,
you don't come in here and mistreat me. You know, and I was in the Q-tip and I took it. No, no. A couple
of weeks later,
I was calling him, and he didn't answer. I said, Kyle, is something you're talking to him? He said,
no, Granny, I can't hear. I said, what do you mean you can't hear? Well, I can't hear out of my ear.
I said, really? I said, OK, well, I'm going to make you an appointment to see the EMT and see what's
going on. And I said, but I think when you guys were screaming, you probably damaged your ear. And then
I constantly, I got sick in the midst of that.
Christmas day, I saw him. The kids came and got me out of the bed. I had pneumonia, and I was hit real
bad, but I was really, really sick. And so they came and got me so I could see them open new gifts.
I go downstairs, and I spoke to Congress. I said, you're the only one that didn't give Granny a hug
this morning. I said, come give me a hug. And he hugged me, and then I was planting his hair and scratching
his head, and I said,
Oh, you need a haircut. And he said, yeah, I need a haircut. And we laughed at it. But he offered me
nothing about my head hurts. I'm dizzy. I can't hear. Just nothing. There was no bruises, no marks,
no anything. At the time, he was nine. He's 10 now. Two days later, DCS,
be by my door and the kids came upstairs and they said, mom, it's two people out here with the police.
And I said, what? Two people out here with the police? And I said, okay, let me get up. And I go downstairs
and Mr. Cummings was the one that was doing all the talking. The other DCS worker said nothing. And
there were four state police out there. And I asked them, I said, why are you at my home?
We came to remove the Najee and LaVette. And I got irony. I said, like, who you are? For what? And they
told me, because of the abuse in the home, I said, where did you get that from? It came from the carer.
I found out later it came from the carer's mouth, what she was saying to them. And I said, there's no
abuse going on in my home. I can guarantee you that. I said, well, if there is abuse in the home,
Why wouldn't the school report something? The neighbor, somebody. I said, I adopted my grandbabies and
I've had them for 10 years. Wait, no problem. And all of a sudden now I'm abusing my babies. And so
he looked at me, I said, well, the highest was gone. I found that out from the kids. I was like, well,
who's on here? And the oldest one told me who was all in the house. I said, where's the highest?
He said, Kira came and got him on Christmas Day. I slept for two days. I just straight slept for two
days. I missed it. And I said, so what's going on with Coyoteus? And then he stood there. He wasn't
saying anything. I said, if you want me to cooperate, you have to cooperate with me. I said,
where's Coyoteus? He said, well, he's with his mom. I said, well, what's going on with him? Well,
I can't say. I said, well, I bid you a good day. And I tried to go back to my home.
And then he started talking. Eventually, my son hit him in the head, and from that, it was supposed
to have been a ruptured beard trauma. I said, OK. Mr. Cummings stood there and said, oh, well, when
he hit him, he temporarily lost his sight. And I just looked at him. I didn't say anything at first.
I just let him talk.
He lost his sight, and he got dizzy, and he passed out. And I said, oh, OK. I said, well, let me ask
you this. I said, what's today's date, sir? He said, it's the 27th. And I said, two days now.
And you said, he what, punched him, slapped him, hit him? What? He said, he punched him and slapped
him. I said, OK, two days now? I said, now, in two days' time.
If he did all of that, and this child has a rusted eardrum, he shouldn't have a black eye, am I correct?
He said nothing. I said, you said he's white. Is there a handprint on my grandbaby's face? And he said,
he just stood there. He said, no. I said, you can't accuse him of that type of horrific blow without
something. Give me something. Give me a proof, something, other than what you're saying, because
cops who was running around playing with the other children. So there was no loss of consciousness.
He had no vertigo. He wasn't dizzy. His equilibrium wasn't off. And he was saying that his optic nerves,
I said, let me stop you, sir. You do know you're talking to a retired nurse. And his eyes got big.
And I said, uh-uh, uh-uh. Give it to me. I said, you're playing with a retired nurse. And I'm just not.
I'm a very educated person, is what I told her. And what you're telling me doesn't match what was in
my home. She came to a hospital close to Kentucky, this hospital, instead of taking me to IHIT. And
Karen did all the talking. And from what I can read, my grandson was wrong.
He was willing to say what she needed to get him out of the house. She's been trying to get this child
away from him. Judge Braver took the babies. When Octavius, as an infant, his head, he got had a fracture
skull. She called me when he had this poops egg on his head, wanted me to diagnose him. I said, uh-uh,
you take them to the doctor. That's not a tumor. I said, that's a, he's bleeding. Take him in.
I said, what happened to him? She said, well, I don't promise that. I said, well, then, if you didn't
do anything, take me to the doctor. She braided to the next day, and she took him up to the Children's
Hospital. And he took the kids away. And Ralph got Chi Chi. He was what, three, six, something like
that. He hadn't been seven years straight, no problem, until the 24th, December 25th of 2024.
And she'd been trying all kinds of methods to get them away. Had her not got sick and took that boy
to the doctor, this wouldn't be, he's in DCS care now. He went to Cotavius' grandmother first. No, he
went to his sister first. And then they took him out of that home and put him in their grandmother's
home because she was doing the same drugs that they found in the home
of her sister. Then she started getting sick, and they put my brother back in that one's house. So now
Ralph doesn't see him. We haven't seen him since 24. And now I'm reduced to talking to him on Thursdays
on the phone. I've been asking him, can I see him? And I'm not giving the right to see him.
I even went on Christmas. I said, well, can't we just FaceTime? I don't have to physically see him.
I just want to say Merry Christmas and give him his gift. No. But then I look on Facebook. He's so dumb.
You know, they're giving rights. Ralph isn't giving any. I'm not giving any. I just don't understand
it. So they did a drug test on my son, and they said he
drop 30 for cocaine, who's not a cocaine user. My son is a flagger. And you know, flaggers are randomly
dropped. He also does security. They randomly drop. He's never failed anything, for anything. And so
when he asked for the results of that test, it took him four months to get it. They kept putting it off.
putting it off. They went into court with that and said that he was dangerous and the judge removed
his visitation and they didn't inform him. He had to ask why and then it was, oh well, you know, you
have a positive drop of cocaine and he said, what? I heard false calls. He said, what? He said, I'm
not going to do any cocaine. Where did you get that from?
He said, well, I want a copy of that. Can you email that to me, please? And he was told that they would,
and they didn't. When the, after Lindy got hurt, another DCS worker, Mr. Black, was put on the case
because that case worker, I believe she was terminated because she didn't do the wellness checks that
she should have done, and consequently, that baby got hurt.
And Mr. Black was on a case, and we were telling him about it at the court. And I said, he can't even
get the copy of the drug test. And they claimed that he failed. He went right into his phone, asked
Ralph for his email, and sent it right to me, right there in the neck. Just as simple. So now my son
is still fighting this alleged abuse. The MRI in the case,
But they still don't charge him. I don't get it. And I told him, I said, well, do what you have to do.
They wanted him to do six months of drug testing. And they wanted him to do the parenting. And then
the last court date, the prosecutor put his Second Amendment rights down here. And he said, I don't do this.
But she's not taking my amendment right away, because this has nothing to do with that. It's just true.
You know, because he has to keep his fire on when he does his security. You know, so I was like, well,
what does she got for not taking it? He said, Mom, I don't know. He said, I need that for work. Why
is she asking for that? I said, I don't know. I said, tell your daughter to ask me. What is she doing?
Why did she add that on? And he said, tell her to take it off. You don't just keep adding, you know,
things when you're going to court.
It's just awful. They asked him to remove himself from my house. He did. When they came, they said,
you have to leave the home. He did. And when he was moving, Mr. Cummings came again to talk to me. At
that point, he wanted to talk to the Nigerian vet. And I said, well, you know, they're in school.
I said, you can go to the school. He said, Tommy, and she's over at Denver. You're welcome to talk to
him. I have nothing to hide.
Ralph was moving his things next to a neighbor had moved out and he asked him, he said, let me ask you
now before I continue to move. Will it be okay or will it be a problem if I move next door? He said,
I don't see why it's a problem. Then he used that against us. Kyle's can't come and visit because Ralph
was next door. And I told the lawyer,
And Mr. Black, with my lawyer sitting there, I said, he did everything that you all have asked of him.
I said, and you keep moving your chest. You're playing champions. What are you doing? You're playing
champions. I said, you asked him to move. He did. You didn't say go across the street. You didn't say
go down the street. You didn't say go around the corner. You didn't say go in another county. You said,
get out of my house. And that's what he did.
And when he did, I changed my locks. He has no blue key to my home, and I have none to his. He doesn't
come over. He has no reason to, and he doesn't. He doesn't come over right now. Every day, I see him
leave, and I see him pull back in with that truck. And he, you know, I wait about, you know, if he sees
me, I wait. But he doesn't come over for anything. Absolutely nothing. But they, you know, when Ralph
swings the door, you kind of can't come over.
I said you can't change the rules as you go. He did what you asked, you know, and and they're just every
time you turn around it's something different. So the clients can't come to your house and you can't
go to whatever it is. And they told me that I have to be monitored. If they give me visitations I have
to be monitored.
And then it's, you know, once after so long, they're sitting there watching us talk and interact, then
it's a minute before they will leave us to ourselves. And I'm like, hold on, I didn't do anything wrong.
I don't have a case. And why am I being treated like that? Why would you do that? And he lived with
me for seven years. No, Ralph had me for seven years.
But Caius was in my home all the time. Even as a little bitty, I taught him, I probably trained him.
I probably trained him, LaVette and Denani all together. It was 10, 11, 12. Now it's 13, and Denani's
12 next month, and Caius just turned 10. So he'll be 11 in August. So it was 11, 12, and 10. So I probably
trained them all together.
And it's, you know, two that I have, especially kids. And it's a toll on, because it really, what if
you come home? I don't know. You know, I don't know. Now when we're getting phone calls, yeah, they're
excited, because they haven't seen or heard from them. Kaia's found me on Snapchat. And it was, it popped
up while I was on my phone on Snapchat saying, hey, granny. I said, hey, granny. So I opened it. And
it's good. So I called it, and we were talking.
And then he looked up, I said, who's looking, who's standing there with you? And he looked at the same
thing, I said, Kaize. He looked at me saying, yeah. I said, who's standing next to her? He said,
Aunt KK. I said, oh, I thought nothing of it. She blocked from talking to me. She blocked him. Yeah,
it's a mess. You know, I'm like, really? I nurtured him.
The tigress was in my home from time to time, and that baby was in my home all the time. I would even,
if she go home, and if I missed her, I would call Karen and say, I need Lucy, I need my missus fix.
So she would bring her back, and she would stay two or three weeks with me. She was always in my home.
And the last time we saw her was for her birthday in 24. Her birthday is June 7.
And she was late to her own party. And I'm like, look at you, fast with those things. And when she realized
I was standing there, she got excited and was running across the grass. And she was, grandma, grandma,
grandma. And the family thought she was talking about Keira's mom because she was standing like right
behind me. But she ran and jumped up in my arms. And everybody went, oh, wow. And she hugged me.
pushed back and looked at me and smiled, and she hugged me again really, really tight and showed me
her tiara. And we were just laughing. I said, come on, let's go pick all the kids you got. And then
we walked over. So can you talk about this conviction, a CPS response on Kira Brown? Well, Kira got
convicted for negligence. And she only received seven and a half years incarcerated
And then she has to do four and a half once she's out. Is she not in the picture right now? Is she not
in the picture right now? No, she's in jail. She's doing her time. She's in jail. And DCS is trying
to take his and Katya's together when they never work. So they're making a family for him that was
because he was always in my home. So they asked me at one time, Mr. Black called me and asked me at
one time, would I take the children? And I said, sure. Why wouldn't I? You know, I said, Tay-Tay is
always over here. Yeah, I'll take them. And he was going to go pick them up from school, bring them
to me. I said, OK. Well, I'm out shopping. I said, I'll get some extra stuff while I'm out.
And then there was nothing. Eight o'clock, I decided to text him. And then the supervisor sent for me
to call her. And she told me that she decided to place the children in another home because Ralph is
next door. I said, well, it didn't seem to be a problem before, so why all of a sudden is it a problem?
I got a text message from Kyla's aunt saying that they took kids from me for drugs. And they're over
at Katavius' grandmother's house, just so you know. Wow. And so recently, they just put Katavius and
Katavius in the home with the aunt. She and I do know for a fact, she and her boyfriend both do drugs.
And it seems it doesn't bother me.
for some reason. I just don't get it. I don't know why I'm being punished. I haven't done anything wrong.
I've always treated his siblings just like everybody else. I made no difference, no preference. Everybody
is an equal. Even when it's a discrepancy, arguing or whatever, I settle it.
And I tell whoever is wrong and make whoever needs to apologize, I make them apologize. Now you can
go play, go, stop it. And that's the end of, I just don't, you don't do kids like that, you treat them
equal. So I don't get it. I just don't get it. Carol did tell Mr. Cummings that I was aware of the alleged
abuse that Ralph was doing. I said, I don't know what and where you got that from, but that's not true.
Ralph works nights, and I have the kids, so that makes no sense, sir. And then when I talked to her,
she let it slip. I said, oh, so that came from you? She said, well, that isn't what I said. I said,
well, that's what he said you said, and he has no reason to lie on you. Why did he change what you said?
I said, Carrie, you
For me under the bus to save your own behind, I don't understand. You know, what are you doing? I said,
why would you do that to me? She said, but I didn't say that. I said, he has no reason to lie to me.
That's what he said, you told him. And that's what they believe. You know, so now my son is, he's quiet.
quiet, he doesn't even interact with the family anymore. That's absolutely nice. He goes to court, I
still go to court with him to support him in this court case, and we didn't talk about it, you know,
and talk about strategies. I said, because we shouldn't even be doing this. Anytime the MRI is done,
and then the radiologist gives their finding, and it's really saying that the
The ruptured eardrum is not coming from that. There was no swelling in the ear. There was no blood in
the ear. There was no drainage in the ear. There was none in the cranial cavity, which says it didn't
come from there. He had a ruptured eardrum, but it didn't come from there. And I told that to the lawyer.
She was insisting that there is blood. I said, ma'am, you need to read the medical records again.
And she said, I read it, and I said, read it again. I said, because I read it once. And to make sure,
I read it again. I said, and then I called my aunt, who was a retired x-ray technician, and I read it
with her. I said, and she concurred with me. I said, and before you say anything, because she wanted
to open her mouth and say, wait, before you say anything, not only is she a retired x-ray technician,
I'm a retired. And she just said, yeah, you don't know what you're reading.
I said, read the MRI. I said, in the findings, that's the radiologist reading that and giving what he
see on the MRI. And it's not matching what was said in the emergency room. I told her, I said, somebody
was lying. And it's not the radiologist. X-rays, MRIs, and CT scans, they don't lie. And so she just
looked at it. And I told her, I said, to be honest with you, you don't have a case.
But they're still trying to make a case. So, and that's where we are. I just talked to guys a little
while ago. It's a Thursday, 1.30, the 30 minutes. It's not fair. Not fair. And I miss my grandbaby.
I really do. And the kids miss him. The boys miss him. You know, they share a room together.
Denaji is always asking, can I try FaceTime? Can I try to get on Snapchat? I said, you guys really aren't
supposed to be on Snapchat. She lets him do Snapchat. I said, technically, you guys are not supposed
to be on there. I said, but for the sake of some type of communication, we'll be on there until we can
physically see him.
Um, but no, I told him, don't you try to reach out, let him reach out, you know, because I don't want
them saying that we're harassing him or, you know, because it was said that they, they were worried
about me trying to, uh, change his mind about his safety. That's not true because if I thought that
there was something wrong, my kids know I will speak up.
Whether they like it or not, I will speak up. And I will tell my kids when they know. Yeah, I will.
I will tell them when they're wrong. If I thought my son, I knew that something was wrong with college
prior to. And if I didn't know that, and they told me that, and I thought my son did that, I would not
go to court with him. He is on his own, because I couldn't help him. But I knew that boy couldn't hear
prior to that.
And she used it. She used it to get what she wanted. I testified. I told Judge Harvey prior to.
She heard me. She ignored it. I told her on Easter Sunday, the kids were at Kara's place, and they were
getting their Easter eggs. And the adults came out. They opened the door. The smoke came out. The adults came out.
Then the kids came out and the wind blew it and I told them it was me and my wife. I know what I smell.
She ignored it and she put my grandson in her arms. Like she put him in that house and she took him
from our son and put him in that house. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Is there anything Council Commission can do? Because the CPS system is completely a
function of the state, state, through the county boards. You know, this is a
the commission largely purviews the boundaries of the city of Wilmington, how we do policing, how we
do public safety within the city of Wilmington. So I think it's something you'll note on the record.
I don't know if there's other things that you all have discussed in terms of that council members get
out for happy to pass out on council members. I don't know if there's anything other than the purview
of the CAHPS commission that's raising awareness of these types of issues in our community. We've reached
out to everybody. I've left
emails with the governor, as well as my friend Tiffany. I called and talked to the upmost of them. It
was a dead end. I tried talking to the supervisors at ECS, they all stiffed us because they were trying
to fix what was broken. We can't fix it because what you need is in a grave. You can't fix it. I don't
care what you do with it, you can't fix it.
The problem is in the grave, that little bitty girl. So you can try to cover it up. It's still there.
It falls right back where you should have went in that home and made sure those kids were safe. And
they didn't do it. And I know the police were not lying when they gave that report because she trashed
a trailer the same way when she needed to move from there and didn't know how to do it or
what she's going to do. And I said, well, come on. I'm going to sleep with you, though. I'll help you.
I'll help you. And I went over and we went in the house. And I looked and I said, what did you all do
in here? It was trash the same way. And the stench that they said, it was in that hall. And I had took
the teenage boys, my grandsons, with me. And one of them wanted to say something. I covered his mouth.
I said, we're not judging. I said, OK, here's what we're going to do.
And I took her to, I said, we're going to Walmart. We're going to get gloves. We're going to get bleach
and disinfectants. And we're going to get counseling. We're going to clean this place up. And so I told
the boys, sleep. Don't touch anything. Sleep. Everything off the window ledges, on the floor. Because
the same thing, they said the dog was in their home. It was the same way in the trailer. And I saw.
And I said, just sleep. I said, don't just sleep.
I said, bring everything to the middle of the house. I had to go back to my home and get hot water,
but she had none. She had no water. In order to flush the toilets. Yeah. And I told her, I said, what
time does Missy get off work? I said, she's doing the kitchen. I'm not touching that. The same thing
they found in her home. They found it in, it was in the trailer. I witnessed the trailer. I never went
in the home, but what I heard on the news and what I read in the report, it was the exact same thing.
And I said, I don't know what happened after Ted passed away, which is Carol's father. I said,
they just, they went down. They went, I don't know what happened. Missy kept a clean house. I don't,
I don't get it. You know, I said, well, I know they're not lying because that was in the trailer. It
was ripped, it was awful. And my son went over there and took pictures and stuff and to get his washer
and dryer and he was just,
video on it and i'm like oh my god i said ralph the trailer was the same one when we went over there
and well we cleaned it up and we saved her from getting charged in that trailer but she got charged
for that apartment yeah and i did everything i could we cleaned it up i bring the truck we loaded it
up i went and rented a storage space we put her in a storage space you know and this has been
turn around a year and a half later and that part of my son, I was like, well, that was, that's the
thing that I get when he knocks. My greatest thing is that, you know, I want my grandson. I want Trace
back where he was with us. Cause he was, you know, he was doing good.
And when he got the curve, he wound up meeting three therapists. He wound up over there at the Mill
Hospital. My daughter was there and she said, Kyus is there. And I'm like, what? What happened? That's
the lesson there. I don't know, there was a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of stuff going on.
And it was never like that when he was with us.
learned when he got with her, it was mental issues that we had never seen before. And I'm like, I don't
know where that's coming from. He does not need to be with them. Definitely not. So when Kaylee is,
she's using, taking them places and stuff. She was the aunt that, come and I'll take you to the rural area
I'll take you to the amusement park. She was that type. She's not a nurturing aunt. She's that aunt
that will come and take them off mom's hands and take them somewhere. He just told me they went to the
swimming pool, Kings Island, which is nice.
So you have the contact information here you know if there are services that the city that you notice
that the city can buy please reach out to us yeah but thank you for sharing this with us today i think
we only have two two more items just to go over and these are more future agenda topics for future meetings
these are both from council member pete mott smith and i don't know if she's talked to the co-chairs
about this already i think you had mentioned it
in your minutes from last meeting, you all knew these are coming. She's planning on holding deliberation
sessions on public safety. The first one, the topic is, what is public safety on September 9th at 6.30
PM? The second one is, how can the city advance public safety? That'll be on October 21st at 6.30 PM.
Although those feel pretty far out, Councilmember Piedmont-Smith was really hoping that this commission
could weigh in on how those should be structured.
kind of those agendas, the topics of conversation and get feedback from this commission. She's out for
right now, but I think in July, she might be back and be able to attend this and to kind of guide that
discussion a little bit more. I just wanted to give you all a heads up that that's coming. It's in the
packet, yeah. Yeah, it's in the packet, but we'll reiterate them that are September, October. But it's
just to flag you that
She's going to ask you for your input, ask you to participate in those. And that should be here in July
is the next time. So speak about that. And then that next meeting scheduled currently is July 16th at
four or five 30. Now this one is scheduled for the Kelly conference room downstairs, just so you all
know. I don't know why maybe they're in conference. Every other one is an absent. Every other one is
an absent. But next month for whatever reason is scheduled in Kelly four or five 30, of course,
feedback, other questions that you think of outside of the meeting, please send them our way. We're
going to work on this. Very similarly, we'll send out our draft agenda. And I may send that out a little
bit early to the co-chairs. It's just a draft, just so you can see it and start editing it and have
the suggestions that we have lined up for the next meeting. If you all do have individual questions,
The last time we met, which was a while ago, we talked about getting results from, I think, from the
police department about how many social workers are taking and that sort of thing. And somehow it kind
of got dropped. It just fell off the agenda.
So how many, can you help me, how many calls social workers are taking generally, or some specific time?
At least, yeah. Okay, do you remember when we were going to talk about how effective they are and yeah.
Okay, so how effective they are, how many calls are they getting?
I think we were, the reason since we answered the question was because we're also tying on the leap
questions we had back then, which are still the same questions we had back then. That'll answer, I think,
some of those questions, hopefully. We'll find out, like, the actual... Will we get some more information
about the idea of being included? I think it feels like it would be included, but also to the list of
styles, work data, and information. I'm not sure if that's more...
I think in terms of guests, it would probably make sense to space it out. So in terms of priority, would
you rather have a dispatcher or a social worker here next time in terms of inviting somebody? We talked
about dispatch, how dispatch work and having maybe somebody from there come and visit. Any preference
about that? I feel like the dispatch will be helpful if we start to get that information, because that's
the person, that's the thing I had the most questions about. But also the dispatch will have answers
about who's
When social workers, yeah. I just want to make sure our priorities are correct. If you're like, I want
to hear from a social worker next time, then one doesn't show up. So we can extend the anxiety plenty
of times instead. The discussion I think is probably, yeah. I also reached out to Boris Gilmore to find
out what's happening with the new,
But if you can get back to me, and I don't know who else to talk to about that. If anyone has any suggestions
about not making contact to find out what was happening within their building. Well, there are more
contacts than Beacon that could, because I know Force is just the one guy on top of this. There's a
lot of people in the middle. So I feel like if you reach out, maybe a generic Beacon email, there's
kind of something you're ready to, like,
about the amount of work they're doing to get that moving. I know lots of the faces, but I don't remember
names. So I don't know those keepers kind of send that. Okay. It has approached me to just go over there.
I feel like they're upset. It might be a nice. What are the emails that are for you? That takes us to
full time. So thank you all for spending an hour and a half with us, Adrian.
enduring the chaos of it. In the meantime, we're happy also. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
Thanks for your time.