WEBVTT 00:00:00.770 --> 00:00:07.854 - Well, we now have an in-person quorum, so we can start the meeting today's Thursday, July 16th, 4 p.m. 00:00:07.854 --> 00:00:14.801 - This is the meeting of the communities, I agree, on Public Safety Commission. We're gonna first take 00:00:14.801 --> 00:00:21.885 - roll call. My name is Larry Allen. I'm representing the city council, I'm an attorney. And to my left, 00:00:21.885 --> 00:00:28.763 - Michael Burton, board member. Kamala Brown-Sparks, board member. Commissioner. Sharon Weishelbauer, 00:00:28.763 --> 00:00:29.726 - commissioner. 00:00:30.434 --> 00:00:37.469 - Hello, Lorraine, Commissioner. Member of the public. Shall we? Just the character. Welcome. You're still 00:00:37.469 --> 00:00:44.303 - here. Lovely to have you. We have a few people online as well. You don't want to join the commission? 00:00:44.303 --> 00:00:51.070 - No, I'm good. We have some spaces. Next, there is no need for an approval on this unless anybody has 00:00:51.070 --> 00:00:57.904 - corrections. The attaches of memorandum from the previous meeting, Thursday, June 18th, 2026. You can 00:00:57.904 --> 00:00:59.646 - find that in your packet. 00:00:59.810 --> 00:01:06.473 - The difference between memorandum and minutes is fairly slim. Memorandum is required by law. So actively 00:01:06.473 --> 00:01:13.135 - as we go through this meeting, we will take notes about everything that happens. It can be as bare bones 00:01:13.135 --> 00:01:19.607 - as just having the agenda and any official votes taken on it. So this is just a memorandum. We didn't 00:01:19.607 --> 00:01:26.270 - convert that to, it reads like more distinct minutes, but just FYI, so that's more for your information. 00:01:26.626 --> 00:01:34.876 - It's certainly approval. We do have an agenda for today. Does everybody, did anybody have any additions 00:01:34.876 --> 00:01:43.286 - or changes to today's agenda that they would like to move that we alter? So all in favor adopting today's 00:01:43.286 --> 00:01:51.219 - agenda, say aye. Aye. All opposed? Fantastic. Now we move on to reports. Do either of the co-chairs 00:01:51.219 --> 00:01:55.582 - have a report that they would like to give? I did not. 00:01:55.778 --> 00:02:02.463 - Other individual members, do you all have any reports you'd like to make? No reports. Okay, this is 00:02:02.463 --> 00:02:09.348 - where I give a Shakespearean soliloquy, if you'd like. We're ready. Okay, fantastic. We gave you a lot 00:02:09.348 --> 00:02:16.100 - of work to do. Well, yeah, and these will be relatively short reports, unfortunately, but we do have 00:02:16.100 --> 00:02:18.974 - a few updates. So first, just so you know, 00:02:19.138 --> 00:02:24.998 - We had asked if you all wanted to submit feedback on the public safety report. We didn't receive anything 00:02:24.998 --> 00:02:30.582 - in our email yet. The commission, obviously, you're free to do that if you'd like, so just send that 00:02:30.582 --> 00:02:36.220 - to the council email address. We'll compile that and talk about it at future meetings. We just didn't 00:02:36.220 --> 00:02:41.749 - receive anything, but I just want to let you all know that. You had asked about the LEAF study that 00:02:41.749 --> 00:02:45.342 - is still in progress. They have just started the advocacy or the 00:02:45.666 --> 00:02:51.660 - the phase in which they're interviewing interested parties among the cities, among the cities. So they 00:02:51.660 --> 00:02:57.537 - have gotten through their initial phase, and now they're on kind of phase two, the very beginning of 00:02:57.537 --> 00:03:03.531 - phase two. That's the process. It's not much else to look forward to. Did they have a plan? Yes. Yeah. 00:03:03.531 --> 00:03:09.525 - And there's, and I could share that with you all, because it kind of gives just a rough timeline. It's 00:03:09.525 --> 00:03:13.598 - just not detailed. High level milestones. Very high level milestones. 00:03:15.842 --> 00:03:29.788 - I will do that. Let me actually, I want to think of, no, not my own good space, so I can actually jot 00:03:29.788 --> 00:03:43.870 - down what I missed. We'll be included in the Membrano. Yeah, we can do that. Thank you all, very good. 00:03:45.922 --> 00:03:53.741 - Next, we had talked about an incident in Wilmington where a drone or an unmanned vehicle was deployed. 00:03:53.741 --> 00:04:01.485 - A person had barricaded themselves in their home and posed a threat. There was questions raised about 00:04:01.485 --> 00:04:09.076 - what the city of Wilmington's drone policy is. There is a general UAV policy that we have linked in 00:04:09.076 --> 00:04:14.846 - the agenda for you all to review. Essentially, the way that policy works is 00:04:15.298 --> 00:04:21.727 - Any of the pilots have to be licensed. They have to be fully licensed pilots. They also have to report 00:04:21.727 --> 00:04:28.031 - any time they deploy and use a drone. When we went to the data center to look at the latest updates, 00:04:28.031 --> 00:04:34.336 - it looks like updates have not been provided to that list regularly. Other departments were updating 00:04:34.336 --> 00:04:39.454 - things. So whenever utilities has used a UAV or something like that, some sort of 00:04:39.970 --> 00:04:47.062 - vehicle or drone, they have updated that, but police and fire have not with their uses of it. So that's 00:04:47.062 --> 00:04:54.427 - something just if you go to, it is on the page there that I sent you to, so there's a link to a spreadsheet 00:04:54.427 --> 00:04:57.086 - so you can see what is reported there. 00:04:57.794 --> 00:05:04.847 - Law enforcement, so speaking about law enforcement very specifically, law enforcement use of these vehicles 00:05:04.847 --> 00:05:11.378 - is governed by a statute, at least Indiana Code 35-3359 governs the use of that, and essentially it 00:05:11.378 --> 00:05:18.366 - breaks down into two ways, which is not dissimilar from what we talked about last time. One is essentially 00:05:18.594 --> 00:05:25.169 - it counts as surveillance or almost like a search, so almost like an entry into a home. And so if you're 00:05:25.169 --> 00:05:31.430 - going to do that, if you're law enforcement, you have to obtain a warrant, unless there are exigent 00:05:31.430 --> 00:05:37.754 - circumstances warranting the use of it. So exigent circumstances are a very special category, a term 00:05:37.754 --> 00:05:44.078 - of art in the law, which includes emergency situations. So if it's basically a flight for death, the 00:05:44.078 --> 00:05:47.710 - police have reason to believe that they absolutely cannot 00:05:47.842 --> 00:05:54.724 - obtain a warrant in time to prevent a dangerous situation. They likely would have exigent circumstances 00:05:54.724 --> 00:06:01.739 - to use in that case. When we're talking about the deployment here in this particular instance, the police 00:06:01.739 --> 00:06:08.688 - did, they sent out a press release afterwards, the way it was worded. So once they arrived on the scene, 00:06:08.688 --> 00:06:15.438 - they were apprised, they were told what was happening. There was a dangerous situation. However, they 00:06:15.438 --> 00:06:16.894 - did obtain a warrant. 00:06:17.218 --> 00:06:24.796 - both for the arrest of the person, but also entry into the home. And so once they obtained that warrant, 00:06:24.796 --> 00:06:32.014 - sorry, we have a comment online. Eric, your note taker should have already been admitted. So I show 00:06:32.014 --> 00:06:39.376 - it as admitted right now. Sorry, your chat just came through. They obtained a warrant. There were two 00:06:39.376 --> 00:06:45.150 - actual drones that were deployed. There was one on the outside of the building. 00:06:45.282 --> 00:06:52.086 - And then there is a specialty one that was deployed by an officer that is specifically designed to be 00:06:52.086 --> 00:06:57.822 - able to go indoors. And that is the one that was trying to locate the subject inside. 00:06:57.986 --> 00:07:03.711 - The subject was able to hit it and destroy it. So that was actually one of the charges brought against 00:07:03.711 --> 00:07:09.437 - them, is that they destroyed the property to $1,000, is that they basically threw the unmanned vehicle 00:07:09.437 --> 00:07:15.106 - against the wall and destroyed it. The other one was outside and could see in and wait until the door 00:07:15.106 --> 00:07:19.998 - was open to make sure it was safe for, this was an incident that required the CERT team 00:07:20.098 --> 00:07:25.943 - to be called out. So the critical incident response team, otherwise colloquially known as SWAT teams, 00:07:25.943 --> 00:07:31.673 - was called out to this situation. And so kind of to help give them some safety, they know where the 00:07:31.673 --> 00:07:37.518 - person is. They were also looking for two specific weapons. This person had threatened another person 00:07:37.518 --> 00:07:43.305 - with knives. So there were knives that they were searching for so that they could see if that person 00:07:43.305 --> 00:07:49.150 - was armed, potential danger to themselves or potential danger to the officer. So that is more or less 00:07:49.474 --> 00:07:56.357 - how this went down. So in terms of their policy, they did follow a state statute. In this case, they 00:07:56.357 --> 00:08:03.786 - did obtain the warrant for the use of it. There are circumstances by state law that they could theoretically 00:08:03.786 --> 00:08:10.601 - use it if there's a cause for that. But it seems like our police are following that procedure where 00:08:10.601 --> 00:08:14.622 - they did obtain the warrant for use. Questions about that? 00:08:16.930 --> 00:08:22.810 - Is there follow up from a city or council to have them regularly updating when they do use it so that 00:08:22.810 --> 00:08:28.633 - as there is public law, but I'm like record like every other department. I don't know about that. So 00:08:28.633 --> 00:08:33.822 - that was one of the calls of the questions we have in specifically. So who was originally 00:08:34.082 --> 00:08:39.948 - watching after this was the city's risk department. So specifically because of how it would play into 00:08:39.948 --> 00:08:46.275 - the city's insurance policy. So one of the things, one of the calls we have out to, it's the risk management, 00:08:46.275 --> 00:08:52.084 - find out what's being reported, what's not, whether they're requiring that anymore. Thank you. Would 00:08:52.084 --> 00:08:57.835 - it be possible to get an update on that by our next week? Yes, I think so. It's more a matter of if 00:08:57.835 --> 00:09:02.494 - they're giving us an understandable. I'm just a point of clarification question. 00:09:03.682 --> 00:09:10.155 - Was the warrant, was there a date time stamp of the warrant that was before the breach? That's a good 00:09:10.155 --> 00:09:16.819 - question. I basically have what's publicly available from that. What I don't have is the warrant itself. 00:09:16.819 --> 00:09:23.165 - So I haven't been able to, because I'm not involved as an attorney on the criminal case or anything 00:09:23.165 --> 00:09:26.782 - like that, I don't have access to that warrant document. 00:09:27.042 --> 00:09:34.216 - Okay, necessarily. We could try to find out more information about the specific timing of when the warrant 00:09:34.216 --> 00:09:41.189 - is. And the reason why I'm answering it that way is I'm going off the press release as well. And I love 00:09:41.189 --> 00:09:48.162 - public official writing. It is often in passive voice. And so this is in passive voice. So I can't tell 00:09:48.162 --> 00:09:52.990 - you with 100% certainty. The order of operations in which it was stated 00:09:53.986 --> 00:10:00.577 - made it seem like a warrant was obtained, the CERT team were spotted, the drug was issued or launched. 00:10:00.577 --> 00:10:07.040 - And I imagine by that time the person who was out of the house was out of danger. The person who was 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:13.503 - out of the house was out of danger. There's still a question. I mean, the person who remained in the 00:10:13.503 --> 00:10:18.622 - house barricaded themselves was reported to have been going through potentially 00:10:18.786 --> 00:10:28.791 - a crisis for some time. And so there was there's a question about whether they're finding themselves 00:10:28.791 --> 00:10:38.895 - are still with the data. So I'm not a law enforcement professional. Does it does it does it seem like 00:10:38.895 --> 00:10:48.702 - a situation where right? One has threatened male who has left the residence and she has barricaded 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:56.899 - barricaded as an arresting term. Was the door just locked or was there? That's a good question. Yeah, 00:10:56.899 --> 00:11:04.555 - that's the term that's being used in the release of the standard report. Does a SWAT team or a SIRT 00:11:04.555 --> 00:11:12.364 - team response to that seem reasonable? Yes. The reason why I would say yes from my perspective as I'm 00:11:12.364 --> 00:11:18.718 - reading it is because you just don't, you don't quite know what that situation is. 00:11:18.882 --> 00:11:26.052 - The way we've historically used the CERT team, it's not necessarily like just for them to blast their 00:11:26.052 --> 00:11:33.151 - way into a building. It's also because they have the ability to kind of, well, one, as you all know, 00:11:33.151 --> 00:11:40.320 - the Bloomington Police Department has the Bearcat vehicle, which I know is a hot topic of debate. One 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:46.014 - of the benefits to that vehicle specifically is that it can put a safety barrier 00:11:46.210 --> 00:11:52.881 - between the house and any responding individuals. And so if for some reason there was a firearm involved, 00:11:52.881 --> 00:11:59.425 - which I don't think they know 100% for sure at that point. I mean, they knew about the knives for sure. 00:11:59.425 --> 00:12:05.719 - It creates a barrier, a level of safety. And then you have the people who are also on the CERT team 00:12:05.719 --> 00:12:07.166 - are not just there for 00:12:08.226 --> 00:12:14.247 - use of extreme force, they're also part of your negotiators. So they're your negotiating team to help 00:12:14.247 --> 00:12:20.328 - people in crisis and to try to de-escalate the situation. So they are trained specifically in a crisis 00:12:20.328 --> 00:12:26.644 - situation to respond to that. So those are the two things I would say most positively. And then of course, 00:12:26.644 --> 00:12:32.548 - if you do need some sort of region that happens, they're also trained for that kind of being on the 00:12:32.548 --> 00:12:36.798 - level of a regular responding. I have one follow up question. Is there, 00:12:37.058 --> 00:12:47.822 - Is it available via public records when we would look at to be able to build a table in using AI that 00:12:47.822 --> 00:12:58.797 - says, um, the cert team was deployed and then negotiation was the tool solution used versus force used. 00:12:58.797 --> 00:13:06.078 - Yeah. So there is, there, there already is another data spreadsheet. 00:13:06.242 --> 00:13:13.418 - on the city's website that exists currently, that is referred to as a use of force spreadsheet. That 00:13:13.418 --> 00:13:20.878 - spreadsheet, it's not what it's not going to have. It does not have details about this is who the person 00:13:20.878 --> 00:13:28.053 - was, this is everything that's going on. What it generally has is this is the state of the person or 00:13:28.053 --> 00:13:33.950 - the intoxicated or not or having an issue. Then it does have several categories of 00:13:34.050 --> 00:13:40.822 - potential use of force from non-lethal tasers, obviously firearms, deployment of special teams. So there 00:13:40.822 --> 00:13:47.594 - is kind of that level. The most recent data I saw on that, because I checked that spreadsheet too before 00:13:47.594 --> 00:13:54.044 - this meeting, the most recent data I saw on that spreadsheet was from December of last year. So for 00:13:54.044 --> 00:14:00.558 - some reason, there's not data updated through today of 2026. That may be when they uploaded, I'm not 00:14:00.558 --> 00:14:02.622 - 100% sure. So that's something. 00:14:02.978 --> 00:14:08.687 - the deputy mayor had reached out after our previous meeting. And so one of my extra tasks is to follow 00:14:08.687 --> 00:14:14.395 - up with her specifically and kind of have a conversation just about this is why we're looking for this 00:14:14.395 --> 00:14:20.325 - information. This is what we're looking for and try to understand a little bit better about what's updated 00:14:20.325 --> 00:14:26.034 - when and why certain things are updated. Thank you very much. You've done a very excellent job looking 00:14:26.034 --> 00:14:31.576 - into this for us. Thank you. I'm happy to try to get it. And also credit to, we have two fellows on 00:14:31.576 --> 00:14:32.574 - council's office. 00:14:32.770 --> 00:14:38.352 - Uh, one, his name is Michael. He helped with the drum policy and then we're going to get into the flock 00:14:38.352 --> 00:14:43.880 - and Evan, who was online, uh, went into the flock policy. So I really appreciate that because they did 00:14:43.880 --> 00:14:49.515 - a lot of good work, like we're getting what was hopefully available. And I was kind of working together. 00:14:49.515 --> 00:14:54.936 - I think here seems like it's horribly wrong. It's just an interesting opportunity for us. I, for me, 00:14:54.936 --> 00:15:00.464 - at least by pressure test and maybe it's one of the things that we should be doing in this commission. 00:15:00.464 --> 00:15:01.054 - It's just. 00:15:01.538 --> 00:15:08.043 - understanding individual cases like this to see and to find out things like, Oh, that hasn't been updated 00:15:08.043 --> 00:15:14.793 - since December. Yeah. I think that's, that's important too. And that's what I was also trying to communicate. 00:15:14.793 --> 00:15:21.052 - And what we're trying to communicate is we're trying to get information to the public as well so that 00:15:21.052 --> 00:15:24.734 - they understand the process. Cause these are fairly opaque. 00:15:25.090 --> 00:15:30.546 - And I know before I worked in city government and you asked me, and I would have had a picture of a 00:15:30.546 --> 00:15:36.111 - movie in my head with like smoke and firearms everywhere and that kind of thing. And so understanding 00:15:36.111 --> 00:15:41.731 - the different tactics and what's used and how they deploy it and how it's, it's an escalator. I'm just 00:15:41.731 --> 00:15:47.678 - very hopeful. It's certainly very educational for me. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? 00:15:56.226 --> 00:16:04.287 - I think that on the agenda is this very long report from the parking commission. Oh, it's just reference 00:16:04.287 --> 00:16:12.271 - to block after we do all that stuff. Okay. Reference to LPRs and I just included everything. Thank you. 00:16:12.271 --> 00:16:20.025 - Yeah. So once it was put on the agenda, I decided there's a website dedicated to this, which I think 00:16:20.025 --> 00:16:25.246 - I also linked to for the parking study with. Yeah, it's like there. 00:16:25.442 --> 00:16:30.307 - I just see you all didn't have to hunt for it. I just went ahead and attached the report, the memo. 00:16:30.307 --> 00:16:35.221 - It is huge. It's way more information than you need. I totally understand that. But I just wanted to 00:16:35.221 --> 00:16:40.086 - have it once paid in one place since we're referencing it in the packet. OK. If in the future you'd 00:16:40.086 --> 00:16:45.049 - like me to pare that down, I'm happy to do it. I was going to give it a thumbs up. Nice to have it if 00:16:45.049 --> 00:16:49.914 - you want other information, if you want to dig out a problem. And it's kind of memorializes at this 00:16:49.914 --> 00:16:54.974 - point in time. Like, this is what we talked about. This is what we are considering. But all that stuff. 00:16:55.106 --> 00:17:02.977 - Is that enforcement technology? Yes. Yeah. I'm going to click to that in the new business tab. So next, 00:17:02.977 --> 00:17:10.545 - just update on the FLOC ALPR camera status. After our conversation, last time, as I mentioned, Evan 00:17:10.545 --> 00:17:17.054 - put together some good information for us. We did have the administration reached out 00:17:18.146 --> 00:17:26.675 - After our conversation to say that the statement that they give at city council that report is their 00:17:26.675 --> 00:17:35.710 - updated report. They kind of reiterated that to us to go through what what. Largely you will already know. 00:17:36.738 --> 00:17:43.922 - The city announced that it's not renewing those contracts. One of the contracts had already expired, 00:17:43.922 --> 00:17:51.177 - but by the time they announced they weren't renewing it, so it was good for two years, and it started 00:17:51.177 --> 00:17:58.290 - in the spring of 2024, and it expired sometime in March of 2026, so that was one of them. There was 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:03.198 - another contract for two mobile units that was entered into in 2025. 00:18:03.298 --> 00:18:09.954 - I just from practical knowledge, I think these mobile units were deployed at very particular high call 00:18:09.954 --> 00:18:16.416 - volume areas in the city. So outside specific apartment complexes, those have been removed at least 00:18:16.416 --> 00:18:23.265 - from those sites where they used to be, mainly because I live near one of them and I noticed that there's 00:18:23.265 --> 00:18:29.727 - no longer a mobile unit that's right outside my neighborhood. The other one I also believe has been 00:18:29.727 --> 00:18:32.958 - removed or I haven't seen it there. I don't know. 00:18:33.538 --> 00:18:39.282 - where those have gone in terms of we didn't get an update about, okay, those mobile units have been 00:18:39.282 --> 00:18:45.198 - shipped back to flock. They're not in storage anywhere or anything like that. But as far as I can tell 00:18:45.198 --> 00:18:50.999 - from that public, just the public view, those are not being used at this point. They're not deployed 00:18:50.999 --> 00:18:56.857 - throughout the city. There are some differing numbers out there. And you may have seen this, this has 00:18:56.857 --> 00:19:01.854 - been publicly reported. So if you look at the contracts that the city had, there were, 00:19:02.114 --> 00:19:09.066 - 11 mounted automated license plate reader cameras that were deployed throughout the city. And then there 00:19:09.066 --> 00:19:15.820 - were four other mounted video cameras around the city. And then there are four mobile trailer systems 00:19:15.820 --> 00:19:22.574 - that had not only license plate readers, but also could go to video potential gunshot detection. That 00:19:22.574 --> 00:19:29.328 - is the contract that was ended and that was not renewed. So that those should all no longer be active 00:19:29.328 --> 00:19:30.718 - in terms of actively 00:19:30.882 --> 00:19:36.838 - reported data and things like that. Have they been removed from Street Bulls? I know that it's also 00:19:36.838 --> 00:19:43.092 - been widely reported that there are still existing cameras on certain areas. The question would be whose 00:19:43.092 --> 00:19:49.048 - cameras are those? And I think that that's one of the difficulties we had at even obtaining kind of 00:19:49.048 --> 00:19:55.063 - an update for you about that. There's a website that helps with that as well, but it's still kind of 00:19:55.063 --> 00:20:00.126 - people-based. So I think it's like, is it what the fuck? Yeah. Thank you for adding. 00:20:00.866 --> 00:20:07.737 - So, and one of the difficulties because Monroe County has some that are deployed at particular intersections. 00:20:07.737 --> 00:20:14.108 - The count that we saw on, again, this is kind of a public information request that's been gathered by 00:20:14.108 --> 00:20:20.542 - university. It looked like there are eight by Monroe County at various intersections that I don't know 00:20:20.542 --> 00:20:27.163 - the details about where those intersections are. And then at minimum five are with IU. Indiana University 00:20:27.163 --> 00:20:28.350 - has at least five. 00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:34.263 - That same source reported Bloomington potentially had as many as 40 in deployment. That does not match 00:20:34.263 --> 00:20:40.019 - the contract amount, but what I have a suspicion for is some like those mobile units that we had, had 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:45.776 - more than one camera attached to it. And so it's potentially they're counting every individual camera 00:20:45.776 --> 00:20:51.533 - as opposed to deployment. So if you had a light pole and it has three cameras pointed different ways, 00:20:51.533 --> 00:20:56.894 - it's gonna count as three cameras, but here it's only gonna count as one location potentially. 00:20:57.026 --> 00:21:04.012 - Um, so that's one of the clarifying comments again, uh, appreciate members of the administration reaching 00:21:04.012 --> 00:21:10.800 - out, but that's one of the follow-up just questions for them about how that works. And, and if there's 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:17.785 - any more details that they could share at this point, um, try to see, but to your point, there are public 00:21:17.785 --> 00:21:24.639 - websites. People are just going around pointing to that. Yeah. Hey, I see one right here. This is where 00:21:24.639 --> 00:21:26.814 - it should be. Yeah. And I think. 00:21:27.042 --> 00:21:32.754 - This will tie into the new business. And what was also reported is the difference between potential 00:21:32.754 --> 00:21:38.466 - handheld license plate readers versus automated license plate readers. And it seemed to me like the 00:21:38.466 --> 00:21:44.407 - parking operations, and this is true by you as well, because their parking operations use this handheld 00:21:44.407 --> 00:21:50.633 - license plate readers that they use to give out tickets to monitor how long a vehicle's been in a particular 00:21:50.633 --> 00:21:55.774 - space, as opposed to the old chalk method, if you remember that from way back in the day. 00:21:56.098 --> 00:22:02.018 - So it sounds like that's the recommendation on the parking side is to potentially use those handheld 00:22:02.018 --> 00:22:07.586 - ones for staff to use as opposed to necessarily automated ones. But that's going to be a topic 00:22:07.586 --> 00:22:13.623 - for conversation that we'll get to in new business. Any questions in terms of the flocking? I'm sorry, 00:22:13.623 --> 00:22:19.484 - that's a little bit looser of an update. And I appreciate Evan doing great work on this. Thank you, 00:22:19.484 --> 00:22:22.590 - Evan. Yeah, thank you, Evan. Would they be valuable? 00:22:23.330 --> 00:22:32.116 - ask for things that involve just a whole bunch of this network that doesn't really have much of a payoff. 00:22:32.116 --> 00:22:40.487 - But I'm curious what we think as a group, would there be value or interest if we could get a list of 00:22:40.487 --> 00:22:48.527 - all of the flock requests which were made by the police department and what their purposes were? 00:22:48.527 --> 00:22:53.086 - I'm not sure. I know other places have that available. 00:22:53.282 --> 00:23:03.880 - but I'm not sure how that process goes, like requesting that from the specific landing thing, right? 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:14.373 - Maybe I'm not so interested in each individual request, but in their evaluation, if they think it's 00:23:14.373 --> 00:23:19.934 - worthwhile, worth the money, and I don't know, just, 00:23:20.258 --> 00:23:30.512 - justified to keep some of them. We still have some in use, right? They were in the process of terminating 00:23:30.512 --> 00:23:40.670 - the rest of them. There was a short-term extension used for Little Five on some things that were counter 00:23:40.670 --> 00:23:44.926 - put that were used and ended up being used. 00:23:45.474 --> 00:23:52.163 - And we also talked about cameras elsewhere in the city that are subject to the same thing. So they have 00:23:52.163 --> 00:23:58.916 - not, if they're relying on their statement in the report given to council previously, the administration 00:23:58.916 --> 00:24:05.348 - has not ruled out using this technology of the future from another vendor. But I will also tell you 00:24:05.348 --> 00:24:10.686 - city council is currently exploring and actively in conversations about regulating 00:24:11.522 --> 00:24:17.719 - those technology as a whole, so not limited to automated license plate readers, but anything that's 00:24:17.719 --> 00:24:23.917 - AI-empowered that potentially has a survey of interest too. So there are council members who are at 00:24:23.917 --> 00:24:30.486 - least in talks and working on ways of regulating that and developing policies within the city to regulate 00:24:30.486 --> 00:24:36.931 - the needs. I see. So it's really a more point right now as to whether the police think it's worthwhile. 00:24:36.931 --> 00:24:40.030 - I think what I would be interested in knowing is, 00:24:40.642 --> 00:24:46.867 - not as much about individual police and politics, but like, were they responding to ICE requests? Were 00:24:46.867 --> 00:24:52.971 - there external agency requests coming in that they were processing? I think there's like people like 00:24:52.971 --> 00:24:59.317 - Sheriff Marte and other people have like said they would not, but the issue that everyone was predicting 00:24:59.317 --> 00:25:05.481 - was that there's not necessarily, ICE doesn't need to request, even if there are boundaries in there, 00:25:05.481 --> 00:25:08.926 - people can hack, at least they still need to be boarded. 00:25:09.314 --> 00:25:15.777 - I just couldn't obtain things because of the way it was being stored. So that was me. So I think the 00:25:15.777 --> 00:25:22.176 - issue that was coming from the people in the city that they were like, why this company and why? So 00:25:22.176 --> 00:25:28.703 - why no boundaries? And I think the city would turn around and was like, we don't and we will not, but 00:25:28.703 --> 00:25:35.294 - it's also been proven by many people within that company who are like, I can check it right now if you 00:25:35.294 --> 00:25:38.558 - want. So there were a lot of back doors. Yeah. OK. 00:25:38.818 --> 00:25:44.508 - there wasn't a security that could be proven, that could be stated, but it wasn't like no one was going 00:25:44.508 --> 00:25:50.034 - into audits, no one was going into, they weren't like, oh yeah, we'll prove that it's secure. People 00:25:50.034 --> 00:25:55.615 - were like, let me audit it, or let's do independent audits, and there was a lot of pushback, nothing, 00:25:55.615 --> 00:26:01.359 - so. Yeah, because this is one of the points also, the BPDs explicitly updated the use policy even before 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:06.174 - they gave their report to council, which stated that they would not use this technology 00:26:06.338 --> 00:26:14.769 - for either immigration request or for anybody who may be exercising their right to an abortion or something. 00:26:14.769 --> 00:26:22.580 - So those are two very explicit things that they need that they're prohibiting all use from, at least 00:26:22.580 --> 00:26:30.392 - from the BPD side, to basically, I think, to thwart off at least official requests to other agencies 00:26:30.392 --> 00:26:34.878 - for those two purposes. But then the question remains of, 00:26:35.074 --> 00:26:42.467 - Could the federal government then serve a potential warrant or request on flock itself and get access 00:26:42.467 --> 00:26:49.715 - to this data? And that has been an open question. I will say, you know, the Supreme Court ruling in 00:26:49.715 --> 00:26:51.454 - terms of the geofencing 00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:57.407 - that was occurring. So geofence search of phones also throws a wrench into this, which is now the Supreme 00:26:57.407 --> 00:27:03.001 - Court has acknowledged that you need a search warrant for those things. So that ups the level of proof 00:27:03.001 --> 00:27:08.758 - before the government can request those kinds of things from tech companies that may also apply to Flock. 00:27:08.758 --> 00:27:14.244 - I mean, it's going to be a technology by technology thing, but certainly you could extrapolate if it 00:27:14.244 --> 00:27:19.675 - applies to something like geofencing, which is anonymous data of your cell phone that's provided in 00:27:19.675 --> 00:27:21.630 - the aggregate by Google or whoever. 00:27:21.762 --> 00:27:28.030 - Uh, you certainly would see that that it should apply to something like flock. So I'm not that's not 00:27:28.030 --> 00:27:34.421 - me saying it's a guaranteed. That's just the update in the wall. So, for sure. I'm just trying to give 00:27:34.421 --> 00:27:40.751 - information just to be, you know, question these new technologies to. They're here and we didn't, uh, 00:27:40.751 --> 00:27:47.267 - we didn't understand boundaries or the however, so, and I guess I don't. This is more of a philosophical 00:27:47.267 --> 00:27:50.494 - question than about the, what this commission does. 00:27:50.946 --> 00:28:02.792 - and its placement as an official commission for the council. Again, I'm new to this, so your clarification 00:28:02.792 --> 00:28:13.862 - would be helpful. I'm also so very new. If an agency says at press release, yes, we did it fine, is 00:28:13.862 --> 00:28:20.062 - it our position to accept that or do we have, we're not 00:28:20.194 --> 00:28:28.070 - But do we have the ability to ask additional questions, clarifications, requests for validation of that? 00:28:28.070 --> 00:28:35.721 - Yes, you do. And I think one of the things that's helpful, so just in terms of going through, this is 00:28:35.721 --> 00:28:43.372 - one of the reasons why we put the goals and purposes of the commission. So there's two things. Do you 00:28:43.372 --> 00:28:47.198 - have the power as situated to issue subpoenas? No. 00:28:47.458 --> 00:28:53.429 - Right, right. So, I mean, just practically speaking. So if you're saying like, I would like data about 00:28:53.429 --> 00:28:59.400 - this, of course, you could always get the answer is no, or for years, for years reason, you don't have 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:05.254 - a lot of legal recourse, but what, but there's obviously value in asking the question. And then also 00:29:05.254 --> 00:29:05.950 - in terms of 00:29:06.338 --> 00:29:11.448 - providing recommendations to also counsel and presenting, hey, here's what the public thinks about what's 00:29:11.448 --> 00:29:16.268 - going on with these technologies. Here are the questions we feel like are unanswered. Let's present 00:29:16.268 --> 00:29:21.136 - this to counsel. And these are the questions we asked. These are the responses we got. These are the 00:29:21.136 --> 00:29:26.101 - responses we got. And this is what we'd like to know more about. And then going up the chain, I think, 00:29:26.101 --> 00:29:30.922 - is very important. Imposing those either directly to the administration or to counsel themselves as 00:29:30.922 --> 00:29:35.742 - a follow-up is very important. And that's what we can do as staff is kind of relay that information 00:29:35.938 --> 00:29:41.518 - Or you can also do it formally. So if you all wanted to gather language about one of these technologies, 00:29:41.518 --> 00:29:47.044 - so if you wanted to say something about FLOG, for instance, and say we would like to draft a resolution 00:29:47.044 --> 00:29:52.518 - or a letter that would go to council to make a recommendation that they investigate further, they take 00:29:52.518 --> 00:29:57.991 - particular regulatory steps, or just to inform them, hey, here's our public opinion about what's going 00:29:57.991 --> 00:30:03.358 - on with this. That's a very in the wheelhouse of this particular commission way of going about them. 00:30:03.938 --> 00:30:10.434 - Thank you for the clarification. It's great to have you. Okay. And I think the the legislation the council's 00:30:10.434 --> 00:30:16.393 - working on is like we can, you know, that's where like they'll take our advice or help however, but 00:30:16.393 --> 00:30:22.531 - also they're working really hard on that. So if you have questions for them, take an e-mail about what 00:30:22.531 --> 00:30:28.491 - they're thinking because I know at least the two of them have a lot of information that they've and 00:30:28.491 --> 00:30:33.854 - a lot of work they've done on understanding Flock as well as what it would mean to govern 00:30:34.434 --> 00:30:41.995 - new technologies showing we haven't done yet. So again, this will be something if you all like to add, 00:30:41.995 --> 00:30:49.777 - just keep it on the agenda too. So as we get updates about it, if the legislation's introduced and things 00:30:49.777 --> 00:30:57.191 - like that, we can report back on what that looks like. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Any other 00:30:57.191 --> 00:31:02.110 - questions, comments about FLOC? Anything else? Good. Are there any 00:31:02.242 --> 00:31:14.874 - reports from members of the public or anybody want to give public comments, anything in particular, 00:31:14.874 --> 00:31:27.506 - if you're on Zoom and you'd like to give public comment, just raise your hand and I can acknowledge 00:31:27.506 --> 00:31:31.422 - you. I don't see anyone. Okay. 00:31:32.418 --> 00:31:39.367 - We don't have any old business, because mainly that was covered in our staffing reports. So the next 00:31:39.367 --> 00:31:46.453 - piece of new business is the Bloomington Parking Study that was conducted by Walker Consultants, which 00:31:46.453 --> 00:31:53.539 - is included in your magnitude. Yeah, I haven't included it in whole, but I've read through most of it, 00:31:53.539 --> 00:32:00.419 - but mainly it's page 72 about the technologies. So it was in relation to, as we're dealing with our 00:32:00.419 --> 00:32:01.726 - fallback on ALPRs, 00:32:02.338 --> 00:32:07.663 - seeing someone suggests, you know, and then I was like, I was like, what is this technology? What does 00:32:07.663 --> 00:32:12.834 - it differ? And you answered that a little bit, but I hope they just didn't help because it was like 00:32:12.834 --> 00:32:18.056 - a car with a big gas can. But I was like, that's not a handheld. They're just going to grab around a 00:32:18.056 --> 00:32:23.640 - car and scan everyone's information. I was like, that's, so I was just, I was intrigued on that as bringing 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:29.068 - it in and maybe reading about the technology part just so that we have, because that would also be under 00:32:29.068 --> 00:32:30.878 - the same legislation probably that 00:32:31.362 --> 00:32:39.564 - If it involves a cloud server and storing people's information, how is that governed? And where does 00:32:39.564 --> 00:32:47.766 - council's legislation land that is coming through? Well, they're going to raise parking prices more, 00:32:47.766 --> 00:32:55.886 - but. I would just say that. Yeah, that's a stop. It does require active councils. Yeah. But there's 00:32:55.886 --> 00:33:00.190 - a big, that's why we kind of address parking prices. 00:33:00.898 --> 00:33:07.306 - infrastructure around our parking. So I just found it intriguing. I was like, I don't know, we got a 00:33:07.306 --> 00:33:14.095 - parking van. I was like, oh, because it's, it adds a lot of things. So it's mainly why I wanted to include 00:33:14.095 --> 00:33:20.567 - it so that we didn't see another technology coming while we're still going to do all the posts of the 00:33:20.567 --> 00:33:26.467 - first technology. Also, so this, this report was released kind of, uh, it was brought before 00:33:26.467 --> 00:33:30.718 - the Transportation Commission. One of the things in your packet is 00:33:30.850 --> 00:33:37.359 - And then from the parking service, the director, Michelle Wall, responding to the transportation commission's 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.632 - feedback as well. This report has not formally been presented to council in a meeting yet. It's something 00:33:43.632 --> 00:33:49.549 - that council's still working on, is trying to find a time when parking services could come and give 00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:55.526 - kind of a presentation to council. I think at least they wanted to have, the parking services wanted 00:33:55.526 --> 00:33:58.366 - to provide the written report to council first. 00:33:58.498 --> 00:34:04.470 - So there may be a date that I would watch out for in the near future. It's not going to happen next 00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:10.621 - Wednesday, but potentially the Wednesday after that, or just before budget. It's possible that Parking 00:34:10.621 --> 00:34:16.653 - Services gives their report. So these are questions that I'm happy to pass along to council as well, 00:34:16.653 --> 00:34:22.864 - so that if that report happens, these questions can be answered, or asked at least about the technology 00:34:22.864 --> 00:34:27.582 - and how that can work. I went down a bit, and I see that they actually do need 00:34:28.002 --> 00:34:41.448 - all the parking garages and I'm wondering if that's going to change when the new county, the new building. 00:34:41.448 --> 00:34:54.014 - Convention center. Yeah, they're going to have parking there too, I think. That's an open question. 00:34:54.114 --> 00:35:00.867 - Uh, still, as far as I, the last layer, it has been in talks about having a dedicated, you're talking 00:35:00.867 --> 00:35:07.619 - about a dedicated parking garage for the convention center. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that has been part, 00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:14.769 - it was at least part of the recommended. This is several years old when we did the public on the convention 00:35:14.769 --> 00:35:17.086 - center, which was a long time ago. 00:35:17.250 --> 00:35:23.134 - It was recommended that one of the county lots be converted, potentially it could be converted to a 00:35:23.134 --> 00:35:29.077 - parking garage if you needed that extra parking. That would be through the Capital Improvement Board 00:35:29.077 --> 00:35:35.078 - because that piece of property is currently county owned and so it would be probably a county project 00:35:35.078 --> 00:35:41.374 - or a Capital Improvement Board project. Capital Improvement Board, a separate entity that has members from 00:35:41.730 --> 00:35:47.474 - the city that's pointed by the mayor and the county. Technically, it's a county board because they have 00:35:47.474 --> 00:35:53.053 - control interest in it. But they are independent. And you probably also saw that they announced from 00:35:53.053 --> 00:35:58.853 - this week that they have at least tentatively selected a hotelier to go on the southern parcel, so south 00:35:58.853 --> 00:36:04.597 - of the convention center on current county-owned plots. And there was mention of parking being included 00:36:04.597 --> 00:36:09.182 - as part of that hotel as well, so an underground level on potentially first floor. 00:36:09.698 --> 00:36:16.135 - Okay, so there's some parking options and obviously we have the fourth street garage, which is there 00:36:16.135 --> 00:36:22.572 - to serve. A long time ago there were questions about whether you connect the fourth street garage to 00:36:22.572 --> 00:36:29.009 - anything. I don't know that that's currently under talks. We do have parking close by that is fairly 00:36:29.009 --> 00:36:33.470 - substantial. Sorry, I have not, yeah, it's a lot of information, but. 00:36:33.762 --> 00:36:41.443 - I haven't heard anything on the update about whether they're going to build a dedicated to a site partner. 00:36:41.443 --> 00:36:48.765 - It wouldn't surprise me either way. I still can't forget all the land stuff. So yeah, that's a tricky 00:36:48.765 --> 00:36:56.375 - one. I see. Do you have a concern there specifically about? No, but I just think that if it's, if they're 00:36:56.375 --> 00:37:02.046 - sort of evaluating how many spots there are, kind of counting spots, then that 00:37:02.946 --> 00:37:09.625 - That would be something to consider. It's not too far in the future. Yeah, so this report is limited 00:37:09.625 --> 00:37:16.237 - only to those that are city-owned and operated. So parking services has no operational control over 00:37:16.237 --> 00:37:23.048 - what the county does in their county. So also similarly, like the Justice Center parking garage, which 00:37:23.048 --> 00:37:29.792 - is right across the street on Morton, is excluded from the study. And I think there's 260 spots there 00:37:29.792 --> 00:37:30.718 - to start. OK. 00:37:32.674 --> 00:37:40.735 - Yeah, there are questions or topics of conversation. Okay. Yeah, let me just wanted to talk from technology. 00:37:40.735 --> 00:37:48.131 - That was a that's great. So, yeah, we'll pass along the city council. I know they're on it. So stay 00:37:48.131 --> 00:37:56.414 - on with them. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I knew technology is part of it, but if there's another part of the parking. 00:37:56.898 --> 00:38:02.513 - accessibility and the leap study that's still not ready to to report it just turns what i said it's 00:38:02.513 --> 00:38:08.128 - in process there's nothing finalized for it yet there's so there's still areas trying to gather the 00:38:08.128 --> 00:38:13.856 - information before they put the study together maybe we're on phase two out of five i think of it and 00:38:13.856 --> 00:38:19.134 - i'll circulate what those dates were roughly it was like uh the first two months were kind of 00:38:19.266 --> 00:38:25.797 - setting the ground, laying the groundwork, setting up what the report's gonna be. This part is interviewing 00:38:25.797 --> 00:38:32.025 - stakeholders and doing some analysis. Yeah, it's a long, it's a long process. It's how consultants get 00:38:32.025 --> 00:38:38.193 - paid. And they get paid to get by too. New business. We had talked about this as future new business. 00:38:38.193 --> 00:38:44.239 - I'm just putting it on here if you all wanna have a discussion about it real quick. My thought was, 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.086 - so right now, 00:38:45.410 --> 00:38:50.623 - Council Member Pippa Smith is still out, so she's on vacation and she gets back next week, so that's 00:38:50.623 --> 00:38:55.887 - why she's not here today. I'm going to bring this up so she can hopefully attend the next meeting for 00:38:55.887 --> 00:39:01.203 - you all and have a more robust conversation about this, but I just wanted to bring it up ahead of time 00:39:01.203 --> 00:39:06.880 - if you had all thought about it. How you like these deliberation sessions to work? Were there any suggestions 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.145 - right now? And if not, no big deal, which is for your thoughts. I just want to open it up and I'll be 00:39:12.145 --> 00:39:13.022 - happy to provide 00:39:13.538 --> 00:39:21.191 - Councilman P. Mossman with whatever suggestions you have. Katie, I was intrigued to hear what Councilman 00:39:21.191 --> 00:39:28.480 - P. Mossman's suggestions have been because I've never gotten, I've been to a couple of deliberation 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:35.842 - sessions for different things, but never like helped organize it or create information around it. So 00:39:35.842 --> 00:39:42.110 - like what our role, like how, you know, you're playing that in our meetings, is there 00:39:43.234 --> 00:39:56.232 - things we can do one more way to bring back to help with the first one. Yeah. Okay. I've just watched 00:39:56.232 --> 00:40:09.485 - spark a Sun wreck. So different, uh, different area. I did my top three, a patent multiples filibuster. 00:40:09.485 --> 00:40:12.926 - That was, that was higher. 00:40:13.218 --> 00:40:24.640 - The last time we met, I said that I was going to contact Beacon to find out progress on the new site. 00:40:24.640 --> 00:40:35.951 - And I have not been able to. I emailed Forrest Gilmore in just the general Beacon email. They have a 00:40:35.951 --> 00:40:40.766 - contact form, but nobody's got back to me. 00:40:42.626 --> 00:40:51.997 - I don't know. It would be good to know what's going on. And it seems to me that there are not fewer 00:40:51.997 --> 00:41:01.743 - people who can't wander around. In need of their services. Yeah. Would you like that? Is that something 00:41:01.743 --> 00:41:11.582 - you'd like to put on as far as maybe a member report for the future? Yeah, I would like to know numbers. 00:41:12.226 --> 00:41:20.401 - I imagine they'll get back to you. They're always so quick to so many things. I'm intrigued why they 00:41:20.401 --> 00:41:28.495 - haven't, but I know they also are very busy. So you can, I don't know, maybe they don't know who to 00:41:28.495 --> 00:41:36.670 - forward the email to. I don't know. I'll try Mary Morgan, thanks. There you go. Just knock them off. 00:41:36.670 --> 00:41:40.798 - And always feel free to reach out to us if we can. 00:41:40.994 --> 00:41:51.035 - I'll back you up on something. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We're hoping maybe by the next time you meet, council 00:41:51.035 --> 00:42:00.784 - will have more staff at that point, at least maybe at least one person hired. So that would be. Oh, 00:42:00.784 --> 00:42:10.046 - really? In August? Yeah, hopefully. Okay. Other thoughts, recommendations for future business? 00:42:10.658 --> 00:42:16.361 - Should we be aware of or anything else? I guess these two filaments should probably take up a chunk 00:42:16.361 --> 00:42:22.234 - of, since we don't know what we're doing. That'll probably, yeah, so I didn't put them here, but yeah, 00:42:22.234 --> 00:42:27.937 - I think for the next one, I'll just communicate to Council Member Huma Smith, kind of, you all like 00:42:27.937 --> 00:42:33.696 - kind of a structure for it, and then to be able to know where you could best work with her on it, so 00:42:33.696 --> 00:42:39.456 - she'll be ready for that. Yeah. I don't know if we can talk about it while we're meeting, but we can 00:42:39.456 --> 00:42:40.254 - go out there. 00:42:40.546 --> 00:42:50.101 - Exactly. Yeah, sorry. We also had, I'm sorry if I missed it already in the agenda someplace. We were 00:42:50.101 --> 00:42:59.750 - talking about getting someone from the call center. Yeah. And that was one of the things that we need 00:42:59.750 --> 00:43:08.926 - to have some follow-up conversations all day. They expressed some concern. They're very busy and 00:43:09.026 --> 00:43:16.066 - that said that it needs to be a follow-up conversation with them of what the benefit and the potential 00:43:16.066 --> 00:43:22.902 - is. Well, I guess that's a reasonable question. What would be the benefit? That's for us to kind of 00:43:22.902 --> 00:43:30.010 - define, right? It is. I think the other thing, it is just good to know how it operates and what's going 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:34.590 - on. And also the partnership, I don't think everybody understands. 00:43:34.722 --> 00:43:41.424 - usually a magic black box and you call 911, you're just assuming it works and you don't know how it 00:43:41.424 --> 00:43:48.328 - works. Sure. I know city versus county and they cover for each other and things can go back and forth, 00:43:48.328 --> 00:43:55.366 - state as well. There's overlapping jurisdictions when you're talking about law enforcement, then there's 00:43:55.366 --> 00:44:02.671 - mutual aid agreements between fire departments in terms of where you help out in the county. The dispatchers 00:44:02.671 --> 00:44:04.414 - themselves, it's a joint, 00:44:04.642 --> 00:44:11.951 - task force. It's managed by a city employee, but it is paid for by both the county and city. So it's 00:44:11.951 --> 00:44:19.622 - all together in one. So that is, that is coordinated enough for everybody. And there are a lot of layers. 00:44:19.622 --> 00:44:27.582 - And then how would a social worker flows through that process with providing support for any particular call? 00:44:28.418 --> 00:44:34.396 - Yeah, so typically, at least what I know from the prior presentations, and again, I would rather you 00:44:34.396 --> 00:44:40.669 - hear this from the actual experts themselves. Social workers will be dispatched with an officer initially 00:44:40.669 --> 00:44:46.647 - so that they're covered just in case the situation turns out to be slightly different than what they 00:44:46.647 --> 00:44:52.684 - understand through the dispatch, et cetera, et cetera. Then after maybe securing and finding out what 00:44:52.684 --> 00:44:57.182 - the on-the-ground information is, sometimes that social worker will be left 00:44:57.602 --> 00:45:06.439 - there and the police officer will peel off. Yeah. I'm not as concerned about that process. I mean, 00:45:06.439 --> 00:45:15.544 - I am, but for the sake of this question, as you're being ping ponged around the various call centers, 00:45:15.544 --> 00:45:24.827 - how does the request for a person who is a social worker, does that flow through with that as they call 00:45:24.827 --> 00:45:27.326 - police from place to place? 00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:34.696 - I guess I, what do you mean by ping pong around the different calls? So you call in, you get to, 00:45:34.696 --> 00:45:41.466 - you get to, you get to county and then that gets, that gets transferred to another. It goes through 00:45:41.466 --> 00:45:48.303 - one central dispatch. So there is no county dispatcher cities. It goes through the one joint central 00:45:48.303 --> 00:45:50.334 - dispatch based on where that. 00:45:50.594 --> 00:45:56.527 - Yeah, basically where that call is coming from, they will then deploy the nearest. So if it's within 00:45:56.527 --> 00:46:02.754 - city limits, they're going to deploy BPD first, and BPD can't handle that, then they may call for backup. 00:46:02.754 --> 00:46:08.864 - As far as I know, and just to clarify this, that's the jurisdictional limits of also the social workers 00:46:08.864 --> 00:46:14.797 - and the city. I'm sorry, I don't mean that. No, no, no, that's great. Thank you. Yeah, I think we'll 00:46:14.797 --> 00:46:19.262 - find out a lot with the leaps of time. I don't think being a sort of social 00:46:20.066 --> 00:46:26.143 - that's what they're trying to like, as it so occurs to be the dispatch. So that we then have a better 00:46:26.143 --> 00:46:32.459 - direction for dispatch, but then also how to incorporate the alternative. They're like, whether we create 00:46:32.459 --> 00:46:38.595 - one, whether we, is there any, you know, that's what the links and this is what we're trying to figure 00:46:38.595 --> 00:46:44.792 - out. Cause Piedmont Smith gave us a whole presentation on their findings from all the other cities that 00:46:44.792 --> 00:46:49.022 - had created programs and had really cool events and I drive somewhere. 00:46:50.210 --> 00:46:56.517 - kind of like shown how they responded. It was like, well, as some people are always worth a pop and 00:46:56.517 --> 00:47:03.076 - a social worker or just the social worker. And there was like different statistics that they had gotten 00:47:03.076 --> 00:47:09.510 - through all that stuff. So that was a cool presentation to see. And we have one or two social workers 00:47:09.510 --> 00:47:15.817 - now. I would think they're the brief ones right at night. I don't know that they work day and night 00:47:15.817 --> 00:47:18.718 - shift, but I do. Part of what they do also is 00:47:18.882 --> 00:47:23.909 - they do a lot of follow-up. So one of the benefits of having the social workers, and I don't think I 00:47:23.909 --> 00:47:29.236 - was speaking out of school here, one of the benefits of having social workers is not only can they respond 00:47:29.236 --> 00:47:34.313 - to the immediate call and kind of help with that situation, they do follow-up with those individuals. 00:47:34.313 --> 00:47:39.390 - So because so many of the calls are with somebody who maybe just needs help with services, just needs 00:47:39.390 --> 00:47:44.567 - some practical advice, or working in navigating other services that are available to them so they don't 00:47:44.567 --> 00:47:46.110 - get into a position of crisis, 00:47:46.242 --> 00:47:51.996 - And so what our social workers are amazing at doing is that they log those and then they'll do a couple 00:47:51.996 --> 00:47:57.638 - of days later, follow up calls. Hey, did you get connected with Centerstone or are you connected with 00:47:57.638 --> 00:48:03.337 - this service? And do you know about that? How are you doing? And go on for at least a little bit until 00:48:03.337 --> 00:48:09.090 - they have reasonable security of knowing that that person kind of stably connected with other services. 00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:14.014 - So that's one of their great benefits is that kind of follow up. And what it does is it, 00:48:14.274 --> 00:48:19.923 - it actually cuts down. And this is the idea of the program. It cuts down on repeat calls for someone 00:48:19.923 --> 00:48:25.851 - kind of suffering from the same type of crisis who just really needs connection to services. Very similar 00:48:25.851 --> 00:48:31.612 - to how people try to lower the number of emergency room visits by maybe connecting you with, you know, 00:48:31.612 --> 00:48:37.484 - a good healthcare provider and so forth. So you don't have class emergency care. So it's like the mobile 00:48:37.484 --> 00:48:42.462 - response by the fire department is what you're saying. A little bit there. They're very, 00:48:42.690 --> 00:48:53.492 - Related, not the same, because they do similar things, but very related types of services, exactly. 00:48:53.492 --> 00:49:04.293 - And honestly, it's a really cool thing. Anything else? Well, thank you all. Thanks for sharing with 00:49:04.293 --> 00:49:10.558 - us, and thanks for showing up today. Like I said, I think 00:49:10.914 --> 00:49:16.447 - Councilmember Piemont-Smith will definitely be here for the next meeting to see if we can get you more 00:49:16.447 --> 00:49:21.873 - information on the social workers and see if we can actually make that happen. Okay, that's the case 00:49:21.873 --> 00:49:23.646 - then we're adjourned. Thank you.