- Well, let's be in order then. What's on our agenda, Clerk? So hello, y'all. You only have the Public
- Transportation Transit Board to discuss. There's one person to be considered for reappointment,
- Kenton Daniel, and he applied for reappointment.
- And there are other two applicants that have also applied. I did end up talking to Kent after the public
- transportation board, because I know it was an interesting meeting. And so he still wanted, because
- there was a comment that was made and an article that basically said,
- He wasn't sure if he wanted to continue. And I was like, I just want to talk to you after the dust has
- settled. Are you still wanting to do that? I think he is still wanting to consider it to be reappointed.
- And I think he was just upset at the situation that transpired. I have a question about the archived
- applications because
- I guess I looked at those in one of the archived applications, just barely got archived. Oh, today,
- literally today. So is that still something that we can consider as well, the archived applications,
- or not so much? Because then there would be a total of four potential applicants. As long as it's not
- been a calendar year since they applied. OK.
- So what are our thoughts here? So Ken wants to continue now, you're saying, and the general feedback
- from the board and Lee and the staff members and everything. Yeah, John Connell had reached out and
- said that he highly recommended him, and that was before the vote that took place. And so, yeah.
- Oh, I would say timeline two is that our next session is September 2nd. So I think if we could just
- get a recommendation, and I think that's totally possible. We have plenty of time if we want to do interviews
- and figure that out still. Yeah, it feels like we have time to do that. So my feeling is that Perry,
- like Perry's a very interesting applicant, but I don't think they bring anything that Ken doesn't bring.
- It would be my take.
- So if they're, then I don't think that Zach is, I don't think would be an upgrade over Kent or Perry.
- So to me it would be between Kent and Perry. And so that would just be the question about whether we
- feel like there'd be some value in considering somebody else. I think that given
- some situation right now with BT, I think that that would certainly be worth interviewing. And I almost,
- I mean, honestly, I kind of want to interview all four, including Hank Duckett application just archived
- to. Yeah, I mean, I just, especially since we had until September to me. Yeah, I mostly think there
- are a lot of qualified candidates where
- I think it'll be hard for me to choose maybe the one and I think it could do the best right now, but
- I think they would all be great. And so maybe there would be some more clarity and some interviewing.
- Yeah, I'm okay with that. I mean, I think that that's part of why I feel that way is that,
- that there's been some shakeup. And I think that all four of those applications look interesting in
- different ways, and that all four of them might be good choices for service. And so I, you know. And
- I'm just saving to be clear, I'd be very happy to reply again.
- And then it sounds like that's the board like that. I mean, he voted the way that I would have hoped
- he voted for the change. I think that he's been a great advocate, I think. And I do think there's an
- argument to be made, which is with this change, assuming that there's nothing else that can be done
- here, having folks who have some understanding about how we got to where we are, it might be very necessary
- consistency factor. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I mean, I, I agree that I, I still think it's worth talking to
- them about. Yeah. And then when do, I mean, also just thinking in the broader sense, because might the
- mayor want to change some of her people
- She has two, right? Is it three and two? Is that four? Three and two. I have a question about that,
- actually, for Crosley. Is right now, Kent's seat with that term is actually from 8-1-26 to 7-31-20-30.
- So in terms of the computer system, that sort of automatically rolls over. But then he's labeled as
- interim, and that's how the system does it right now. Exactly.
- He has up to 90 days after his term expires to still serve until a new appointment or a reappointment
- has been made. So he could still do it while you all are still deliberating on the seat program. Yeah,
- the mayor's two appointments, one expires next July and the other expires next July.
- Yeah, but I'm, if we want to do interviews, happy to, happy to interview them. I don't, like, I, um,
- I am, I love Zach Amherst generally. I, is, do we've, like compared to the other candidates here,
- is it, is it worth the interview again? I'm like, we have two people with professional experience managing
- transit. So it's my only thinking. To me, it should be between Perry and Kent if we're going
- to do interviews, but I also love Hank.
- If we're interviewing, I would like to interview that. I'm looking, I guess, at the description. It
- doesn't say anywhere on here that there needs to be experience in terms of transportation. That would
- be one of those, yeah, maybe it's good, but is it always good or is there some benefit to having
- somebody who has fresh eyes or different. And so that's why I would also advocate for interviewing all
- of them to really understand the, I would like to make sure to get some like good, very kind of specific
- questions related to the responsibilities of the board though. So I don't know, or Crosley, if you could
- help with that just to be able to,
- I guess really assessing in either way. I would also like to ask Hank if he's still interested or since
- it did archive, I don't know if he would have gotten a note about that or not. I just don't know. Yeah,
- I see that too, yeah. But I guess just to see if it's still on his radar or what? I have a reservation.
- not about Hank, but about the dynamics of when we have this conversation a lot with city employees for
- applying for things. In this particular case, it sets a person up who reports to the mayor as appointed
- by council. I don't know if we ever are in a situation where, granted, this last situation, it went.
- Yeah, I have the same concern and it's not specific at all. It is a city employee and that I think it
- would be very hard to not consider your day job. Right.
- supervisor of your day job and making a decision. It's not Hank, it's any person. They're on the flip
- side. I like the idea of being able to have a stronger integration and visibility with Safe Streets
- for All with general things happening and planning and transportation. I think that's a value add. I
- think that those are both good points, but I also want to
- I don't feel like he actually applied for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, so
- that's why I talked about, of course. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we've appointed city employees before.
- The board. This board, to me, is also different. It's like RDC and DT are very different. They have,
- like, different authorities than, yeah, like, FECOS or something. Yeah. Yeah. But, right, I think it'd
- be worth asking about that. And then maybe, I don't know what kind of
- authority we have like maybe there should be like a planner non-voting or someone who shows up at the
- meetings you know because you're right like the input would be nice I don't know maybe the board member
- here can talk about it a little bit when we have public comment don't we do we have a there's a party
- affiliation thing with with with yeah there is oh there is yeah oh yeah
- You remind us what that is. Statute of citations. Different political parties, because Douglas Horn
- is a Republican. No, it's the same as the UEA. You have no more than three of the same parties,
- all right? Correct. Appointed by council? I would all agree.
- Where is this in the state code or is this in the state and city? Yeah. Sorry, I was looking at the,
- I see 36, 9, 4. Well, I just stay 6, 9, 4, 13. Yeah.
- public transportation, corporation management, board of directors, exporting a public transportation
- corporation is under the control of the board of directors. So it says the board of directors must be
- residents of the taxing. The board of director of public transportation is five or seven. It's determined
- by city legislative body. That's something we could have done, y'all, to stop this in the past.
- But we can't do it now. We could have expanded the board to seven. Hey, also, I guess we're doing this
- like the mayor appoints two people. One is for one year and the others for two years. Is that what we
- have on board? Director is appointed by the city legislative body for terms of two, three and four years. And then
- the mayor as. No, these are both years. These are all four years. So this isn't right. Well, well, there's
- that. Right there. That's a lot. Well, so that means that some of these people are to point
- to the appropriately their terms have ended.
- Same here, so C1. Wait a second, also it says two directors are appointed by, oh no, we do have two
- and three. Yeah, we do. So it says our C1 position should be two years. Yeah. C2 should be three and
- C4 should be four. So that means Doug is also up. Yes, according to state law, which we should probably
- start following.
- I'm thinking that would be fun. I mean, but their last vote was that had to have to revisit it because
- they worked them because they're they get 90 days. So but but but one of them, but one of them, the
- two Meryl appointments should both be. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, oh, my. This is a pretty big deal, actually.
- This is actually a pretty big decision being made over there.
- I think that this needs to be taken to city legal. Yes, it does. Yeah. Because it does. Yeah. A pretty
- large problem and then we can kind of on our end, I think move along with some interviewing because
- we do have two seats now that are an interim. How should we take this to city legal? I can take it.
- Yeah. Go ahead and reach out now.
- Thank you so much. Yeah. And of course, I'll move in. Larry? Yes, please. Reading law is so fun. Wow.
- It's right there. Right. And none of that, just FYI, seems to be in our local code. No. And so it might
- be worth updating our local code to actually reflect state code.
- I definitely tend to look at the citations in the local code a little bit more frequently than in state
- code. And it's usually, having looked for things in both of those places, it's way easier to find stuff
- in local code than in state code. And two, I think, too, there's been discussion about directors must
- be residents of the taxing district of the corporation. I think that actually needs to be looked into as well.
- Yeah. Because where you reside and pay your taxes is important for this. All five of these. I don't
- see anything about the Republican. It's under 36-9-4-17. I had to scroll. That's very interesting. Well,
- this was a great meeting.
- Okay, so. So I will, as a member of the committee on council processes, I have to remember the right
- initialism, I will bring up modifying this part of the code to incorporate some of the state requirements
- and bring up the topic of seven directors as opposed to five.
- Um, and I kind of honestly feel like that might make sense because we're a larger city. It seems kind
- of big. So like, shouldn't we maybe have, I don't know. I think I would want more feedback from the
- board about that. It seems to me that it operates okay with five. Um, and sometimes you can be more
- nimble, you know, yeah. How does it break down the 344? Yeah. What is this thing? Okay.
- Political parties, the number of directors belonging to either of the two major political parties does
- not exceed the number belonging to the other by more than one. Right. Yeah. So if we did seven, it would
- be really hard to... Yeah. Also, isn't it saying we need two and three? That's correct. You can't have
- more than... If we have five, we can't have more than three Democrats. So who are the two non-democrats
- right now? The corn.
- And we both have one. And hopefully we could just like keep that because our understanding of everybody
- works out more. Yeah, interesting so and so then the the.
- Mayor's seeds have a term of one and two years, respectfully. So that means the theory McCleary should
- have expired in 25, and Domberfan also should have expired in 25. That's informative. We read the law
- that's happened.
- Yeah. So right. That's a lot of, that's a lot. And I do just think it's up to legal to figure out everything
- around that. We've got folks kind of serving on this board that are no longer appointed. Like at least
- for us with Doug, he, no, he's passed his intern. He's years off now, right? Is that right? Um, no.
- So Doug see, Oh yeah. It's right now. So he and Kent are both interim.
- for 90 days yeah yeah yeah three and four years so two we are doing five years three twenty eight on
- this on this commission on this commission we are just imagine imagine imagine where this opens you
- know i wonder if there's some type of is there some precedent that it's like if you take no action they
- just get reappointed
- There is a weird thing that happened some years ago related to like a mayoral appointment and them not
- doing something and it caused the lawsuit. Right, because that's. Yeah, and that was like the previous
- administration and it was related to like like the Democrat who was the Republican or the Independent
- on there. So I think I don't have to. The argument might be, I mean, the flip side that
- Garry McCary might make is that, is that had she have known that their terms were up that she might
- have reappointed somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. But look at 18. Okay. This is weird vacancies on the aspiration
- of the term of office of a director. The appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of
- four years. Oh, wait a minute.
- until until the director's successor is appointed and qualified. So you stay on until you get until
- another appointee or somebody else is appointed? This doesn't, I don't understand what it means. Okay,
- the appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of four years. Oh, I wondered if these
- vacancies was just about
- Maybe the initial terms are for the start of the art. And then after that, it's four years because those
- initial terms would create a staggered body. Yeah. It does. I would believe in that direction. Yeah.
- So maybe they should all be four years.
- but is it is it what would that would mean that it's only the initial term the very first time it is
- constituted yeah not the first time that somebody's appointed all right exploration that would mean
- that that if we if you reappoint like you wouldn't get a staggered board in some future iteration yeah
- you would no because you could because everybody could there's a time when everybody could quit you
- could remove people there's like lots of reasons that you might end up
- reappointing a whole new board. Let's just have legal look at all of it. Yeah. Maybe it is correct and
- mostly over here we're just interviewing people. So okay, so we want to interview all four candidates?
- That's what I'm in favor of. Great. I'll move that we interview all four candidates and further
- that I would request that we interview them as individual interviews as opposed to one group interview.
- Okay. Sounds good. Like 15 or 20 minutes each, I think is okay. Yeah. And we need to then maybe look
- at our calendars. First, we need a second. Okay. Okay. So Stossberg? Yes. Rosenberger? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
- Okay. 13th. And for the record, to put in, like, the four candidates, you are identifying to interview
- Kent McDaniel, Zachary Amerman, Perry Mull, and Hank Duncan. Correct. Okay. Should we ask the public
- comment or? Yeah.
- Let's have some public comment. Is there anybody who wants to do some public comment? This is very,
- very informative, obviously. Can you say your name for the record? I'm sorry. I'm Nancy Obermeyer. I'm
- actually on the board of directors of Bloomington Transit. Appreciate the opportunity to be here and
- appreciate all this information that you're providing here. So will these interviews be open to the
- public or not? I think they are.
- Yeah, they are. Okay. It's, it's one of those awkward things about each candidate could be in all of
- them. They wanted, you know, but normally it's just the candidate we're interviewing. Just why we haven't
- asked that open interview. Cause it's like, you all could come anyways, if you want them to, right?
- So when, uh, so will you keep me posted on when those interviews will be? They'll be posted publicly
- as they are for all.
- Yes, it was hard to promise that. I cannot do the third. And then we have the budget like the week after
- and I'm away that week. I could maybe do the 11th. I just were going to do a lot of interviews. It makes
- it a little harder, but I could do the 11th.
- Like 2.30. Can't do the 11th anymore because of the 48 hours. So actually, I'm sorry. I personally am
- not available to do that one. I can check to see if other people are, but I'm not available that day.
- 14th. I could do the 14th. I will just
- virtual, which is the thing. I can do 14th anytime before 2. OK. I have to be after 10 on 14th. And
- I need to be at somewhere else at 2. We said before 10. After 10. Oh, after 10. OK. So between 10 and
- 2. Preferably like 10 and 1.30. Yeah, 1.30. OK.
- If on the 13th, I could do pretty, you know, earlier morning hours if we need that. But then I have
- to go to an appointment. So do that in person, the earlier hours of the 13th. Can you do that too? Thursday?
- Thursday. Thursday? Yeah, I can do 13th in the morning. In person?
- Cause I would probably be okay with that before 11, but I may or I might need to be virtual. And I think,
- um, Oh my gosh. I have a plate commission meeting next week. Yeah, I could basically be until 11. That
- works for me. Yeah, I can't believe as well. So what would be your start time on the 13th? Okay. So
- eight till 11.
- Okay. And then on the fourth, you'll have from 10 to 130. Okay. Well, they can be virtual. So yes. Right.
- Hopefully that's enough time. And so because there's four, maybe like what I could do is see if we can
- maybe do two and two on the 13th and the 14th. I'd rather do the more if I'm honest. Okay. Me too. Okay.
- Kind of like a year of them, if we can. Okay. So... Okay. I'll see if people would be available. Between...
- Yeah, it just, like, once I reach out, I'll see who, like, majority of the people would be available,
- because it also depends on, like... Can we have a poll, like we do?
- Well, usually I try to tell them, hey, council has identified this time, you'll be available. And usually
- when I say that, people will work around it. So if there's, yeah. So I can put out the 13th as like
- the first choice. And if we have anybody that's just like, hmm, then I'll see if,
- really can do the 14th or one and you could be remote if you wanted then. Yeah I mean we'll see how
- that feels. Okay so I'll do that I'll work on um I'll put a hold on my arrow. Can I answer this phone
- call? Yeah we're almost done too so yeah go ahead yeah go ahead. All right um any other matters of business?
- That's it. Okay, great. Let's, um, and you were going to at least reach out to Hank Duncan to make sure
- he's still interested. Excellent. That is, um, then we'll call this meeting to the conclusion.
- Thank you. Thank you.