WEBVTT 00:00:00.386 --> 00:00:12.550 - Well, let's be in order then. What's on our agenda, Clerk? So hello, y'all. You only have the Public 00:00:12.550 --> 00:00:24.112 - Transportation Transit Board to discuss. There's one person to be considered for reappointment, 00:00:24.112 --> 00:00:30.014 - Kenton Daniel, and he applied for reappointment. 00:00:30.562 --> 00:00:41.569 - And there are other two applicants that have also applied. I did end up talking to Kent after the public 00:00:41.569 --> 00:00:52.052 - transportation board, because I know it was an interesting meeting. And so he still wanted, because 00:00:52.052 --> 00:00:59.390 - there was a comment that was made and an article that basically said, 00:00:59.778 --> 00:01:08.536 - He wasn't sure if he wanted to continue. And I was like, I just want to talk to you after the dust has 00:01:08.536 --> 00:01:17.464 - settled. Are you still wanting to do that? I think he is still wanting to consider it to be reappointed. 00:01:17.464 --> 00:01:26.052 - And I think he was just upset at the situation that transpired. I have a question about the archived 00:01:26.052 --> 00:01:27.838 - applications because 00:01:28.482 --> 00:01:36.950 - I guess I looked at those in one of the archived applications, just barely got archived. Oh, today, 00:01:36.950 --> 00:01:45.502 - literally today. So is that still something that we can consider as well, the archived applications, 00:01:45.502 --> 00:01:54.139 - or not so much? Because then there would be a total of four potential applicants. As long as it's not 00:01:54.139 --> 00:01:57.950 - been a calendar year since they applied. OK. 00:02:05.858 --> 00:02:14.761 - So what are our thoughts here? So Ken wants to continue now, you're saying, and the general feedback 00:02:14.761 --> 00:02:23.576 - from the board and Lee and the staff members and everything. Yeah, John Connell had reached out and 00:02:23.576 --> 00:02:32.126 - said that he highly recommended him, and that was before the vote that took place. And so, yeah. 00:02:34.722 --> 00:02:41.260 - Oh, I would say timeline two is that our next session is September 2nd. So I think if we could just 00:02:41.260 --> 00:02:48.452 - get a recommendation, and I think that's totally possible. We have plenty of time if we want to do interviews 00:02:48.452 --> 00:02:55.056 - and figure that out still. Yeah, it feels like we have time to do that. So my feeling is that Perry, 00:02:55.056 --> 00:03:01.921 - like Perry's a very interesting applicant, but I don't think they bring anything that Ken doesn't bring. 00:03:01.921 --> 00:03:03.294 - It would be my take. 00:03:04.706 --> 00:03:14.290 - So if they're, then I don't think that Zach is, I don't think would be an upgrade over Kent or Perry. 00:03:14.290 --> 00:03:23.779 - So to me it would be between Kent and Perry. And so that would just be the question about whether we 00:03:23.779 --> 00:03:31.390 - feel like there'd be some value in considering somebody else. I think that given 00:03:32.162 --> 00:03:40.762 - some situation right now with BT, I think that that would certainly be worth interviewing. And I almost, 00:03:40.762 --> 00:03:49.363 - I mean, honestly, I kind of want to interview all four, including Hank Duckett application just archived 00:03:49.363 --> 00:03:57.554 - to. Yeah, I mean, I just, especially since we had until September to me. Yeah, I mostly think there 00:03:57.554 --> 00:04:00.830 - are a lot of qualified candidates where 00:04:02.434 --> 00:04:12.359 - I think it'll be hard for me to choose maybe the one and I think it could do the best right now, but 00:04:12.359 --> 00:04:22.383 - I think they would all be great. And so maybe there would be some more clarity and some interviewing. 00:04:22.383 --> 00:04:31.326 - Yeah, I'm okay with that. I mean, I think that that's part of why I feel that way is that, 00:04:31.490 --> 00:04:41.295 - that there's been some shakeup. And I think that all four of those applications look interesting in 00:04:41.295 --> 00:04:51.197 - different ways, and that all four of them might be good choices for service. And so I, you know. And 00:04:51.197 --> 00:04:57.374 - I'm just saving to be clear, I'd be very happy to reply again. 00:04:59.074 --> 00:05:06.310 - And then it sounds like that's the board like that. I mean, he voted the way that I would have hoped 00:05:06.310 --> 00:05:13.545 - he voted for the change. I think that he's been a great advocate, I think. And I do think there's an 00:05:13.545 --> 00:05:20.709 - argument to be made, which is with this change, assuming that there's nothing else that can be done 00:05:20.709 --> 00:05:28.446 - here, having folks who have some understanding about how we got to where we are, it might be very necessary 00:05:28.578 --> 00:05:40.087 - consistency factor. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I mean, I, I agree that I, I still think it's worth talking to 00:05:40.087 --> 00:05:51.709 - them about. Yeah. And then when do, I mean, also just thinking in the broader sense, because might the 00:05:51.709 --> 00:05:56.222 - mayor want to change some of her people 00:05:59.202 --> 00:06:06.650 - She has two, right? Is it three and two? Is that four? Three and two. I have a question about that, 00:06:06.650 --> 00:06:14.322 - actually, for Crosley. Is right now, Kent's seat with that term is actually from 8-1-26 to 7-31-20-30. 00:06:14.322 --> 00:06:21.770 - So in terms of the computer system, that sort of automatically rolls over. But then he's labeled as 00:06:21.770 --> 00:06:26.462 - interim, and that's how the system does it right now. Exactly. 00:06:27.138 --> 00:06:37.142 - He has up to 90 days after his term expires to still serve until a new appointment or a reappointment 00:06:37.142 --> 00:06:47.245 - has been made. So he could still do it while you all are still deliberating on the seat program. Yeah, 00:06:47.245 --> 00:06:55.582 - the mayor's two appointments, one expires next July and the other expires next July. 00:06:56.578 --> 00:07:06.325 - Yeah, but I'm, if we want to do interviews, happy to, happy to interview them. I don't, like, I, um, 00:07:06.325 --> 00:07:15.783 - I am, I love Zach Amherst generally. I, is, do we've, like compared to the other candidates here, 00:07:15.783 --> 00:07:26.110 - is it, is it worth the interview again? I'm like, we have two people with professional experience managing 00:07:26.338 --> 00:07:35.532 - transit. So it's my only thinking. To me, it should be between Perry and Kent if we're going 00:07:35.532 --> 00:07:39.486 - to do interviews, but I also love Hank. 00:08:01.186 --> 00:08:09.383 - If we're interviewing, I would like to interview that. I'm looking, I guess, at the description. It 00:08:09.383 --> 00:08:17.743 - doesn't say anywhere on here that there needs to be experience in terms of transportation. That would 00:08:17.743 --> 00:08:25.694 - be one of those, yeah, maybe it's good, but is it always good or is there some benefit to having 00:08:27.042 --> 00:08:35.167 - somebody who has fresh eyes or different. And so that's why I would also advocate for interviewing all 00:08:35.167 --> 00:08:43.450 - of them to really understand the, I would like to make sure to get some like good, very kind of specific 00:08:43.450 --> 00:08:51.733 - questions related to the responsibilities of the board though. So I don't know, or Crosley, if you could 00:08:51.733 --> 00:08:54.494 - help with that just to be able to, 00:08:56.610 --> 00:09:06.454 - I guess really assessing in either way. I would also like to ask Hank if he's still interested or since 00:09:06.454 --> 00:09:16.298 - it did archive, I don't know if he would have gotten a note about that or not. I just don't know. Yeah, 00:09:16.298 --> 00:09:26.142 - I see that too, yeah. But I guess just to see if it's still on his radar or what? I have a reservation. 00:09:26.434 --> 00:09:35.176 - not about Hank, but about the dynamics of when we have this conversation a lot with city employees for 00:09:35.176 --> 00:09:44.002 - applying for things. In this particular case, it sets a person up who reports to the mayor as appointed 00:09:44.002 --> 00:09:52.574 - by council. I don't know if we ever are in a situation where, granted, this last situation, it went. 00:09:52.738 --> 00:10:01.391 - Yeah, I have the same concern and it's not specific at all. It is a city employee and that I think it 00:10:01.391 --> 00:10:06.142 - would be very hard to not consider your day job. Right. 00:10:06.306 --> 00:10:13.023 - supervisor of your day job and making a decision. It's not Hank, it's any person. They're on the flip 00:10:13.023 --> 00:10:19.608 - side. I like the idea of being able to have a stronger integration and visibility with Safe Streets 00:10:19.608 --> 00:10:26.259 - for All with general things happening and planning and transportation. I think that's a value add. I 00:10:26.259 --> 00:10:30.078 - think that those are both good points, but I also want to 00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:36.348 - I don't feel like he actually applied for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, so 00:10:36.348 --> 00:10:42.486 - that's why I talked about, of course. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we've appointed city employees before. 00:10:42.486 --> 00:10:48.564 - The board. This board, to me, is also different. It's like RDC and DT are very different. They have, 00:10:48.564 --> 00:10:54.762 - like, different authorities than, yeah, like, FECOS or something. Yeah. Yeah. But, right, I think it'd 00:10:54.762 --> 00:10:58.974 - be worth asking about that. And then maybe, I don't know what kind of 00:10:59.074 --> 00:11:06.881 - authority we have like maybe there should be like a planner non-voting or someone who shows up at the 00:11:06.881 --> 00:11:14.841 - meetings you know because you're right like the input would be nice I don't know maybe the board member 00:11:14.841 --> 00:11:22.647 - here can talk about it a little bit when we have public comment don't we do we have a there's a party 00:11:22.647 --> 00:11:28.158 - affiliation thing with with with yeah there is oh there is yeah oh yeah 00:11:28.898 --> 00:11:40.065 - You remind us what that is. Statute of citations. Different political parties, because Douglas Horn 00:11:40.065 --> 00:11:50.786 - is a Republican. No, it's the same as the UEA. You have no more than three of the same parties, 00:11:50.786 --> 00:11:57.598 - all right? Correct. Appointed by council? I would all agree. 00:11:58.114 --> 00:12:10.515 - Where is this in the state code or is this in the state and city? Yeah. Sorry, I was looking at the, 00:12:10.515 --> 00:12:17.022 - I see 36, 9, 4. Well, I just stay 6, 9, 4, 13. Yeah. 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:28.088 - public transportation, corporation management, board of directors, exporting a public transportation 00:12:28.088 --> 00:12:34.994 - corporation is under the control of the board of directors. So it says the board of directors must be 00:12:34.994 --> 00:12:42.170 - residents of the taxing. The board of director of public transportation is five or seven. It's determined 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:48.670 - by city legislative body. That's something we could have done, y'all, to stop this in the past. 00:12:48.802 --> 00:12:58.143 - But we can't do it now. We could have expanded the board to seven. Hey, also, I guess we're doing this 00:12:58.143 --> 00:13:07.393 - like the mayor appoints two people. One is for one year and the others for two years. Is that what we 00:13:07.393 --> 00:13:17.822 - have on board? Director is appointed by the city legislative body for terms of two, three and four years. And then 00:13:21.122 --> 00:13:32.375 - the mayor as. No, these are both years. These are all four years. So this isn't right. Well, well, there's 00:13:32.375 --> 00:13:42.050 - that. Right there. That's a lot. Well, so that means that some of these people are to point 00:13:42.050 --> 00:13:46.782 - to the appropriately their terms have ended. 00:13:47.010 --> 00:13:55.903 - Same here, so C1. Wait a second, also it says two directors are appointed by, oh no, we do have two 00:13:55.903 --> 00:14:04.885 - and three. Yeah, we do. So it says our C1 position should be two years. Yeah. C2 should be three and 00:14:04.885 --> 00:14:14.134 - C4 should be four. So that means Doug is also up. Yes, according to state law, which we should probably 00:14:14.134 --> 00:14:15.646 - start following. 00:14:16.482 --> 00:14:24.281 - I'm thinking that would be fun. I mean, but their last vote was that had to have to revisit it because 00:14:24.281 --> 00:14:31.853 - they worked them because they're they get 90 days. So but but but one of them, but one of them, the 00:14:31.853 --> 00:14:39.879 - two Meryl appointments should both be. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, oh, my. This is a pretty big deal, actually. 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:44.574 - This is actually a pretty big decision being made over there. 00:14:46.146 --> 00:14:54.781 - I think that this needs to be taken to city legal. Yes, it does. Yeah. Because it does. Yeah. A pretty 00:14:54.781 --> 00:15:03.164 - large problem and then we can kind of on our end, I think move along with some interviewing because 00:15:03.164 --> 00:15:11.548 - we do have two seats now that are an interim. How should we take this to city legal? I can take it. 00:15:11.548 --> 00:15:14.398 - Yeah. Go ahead and reach out now. 00:15:14.946 --> 00:15:25.604 - Thank you so much. Yeah. And of course, I'll move in. Larry? Yes, please. Reading law is so fun. Wow. 00:15:25.604 --> 00:15:36.470 - It's right there. Right. And none of that, just FYI, seems to be in our local code. No. And so it might 00:15:36.470 --> 00:15:43.262 - be worth updating our local code to actually reflect state code. 00:15:43.650 --> 00:15:50.629 - I definitely tend to look at the citations in the local code a little bit more frequently than in state 00:15:50.629 --> 00:15:57.608 - code. And it's usually, having looked for things in both of those places, it's way easier to find stuff 00:15:57.608 --> 00:16:04.453 - in local code than in state code. And two, I think, too, there's been discussion about directors must 00:16:04.453 --> 00:16:11.902 - be residents of the taxing district of the corporation. I think that actually needs to be looked into as well. 00:16:12.130 --> 00:16:24.249 - Yeah. Because where you reside and pay your taxes is important for this. All five of these. I don't 00:16:24.249 --> 00:16:36.975 - see anything about the Republican. It's under 36-9-4-17. I had to scroll. That's very interesting. Well, 00:16:36.975 --> 00:16:40.126 - this was a great meeting. 00:16:40.418 --> 00:16:51.602 - Okay, so. So I will, as a member of the committee on council processes, I have to remember the right 00:16:51.602 --> 00:17:03.340 - initialism, I will bring up modifying this part of the code to incorporate some of the state requirements 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:10.206 - and bring up the topic of seven directors as opposed to five. 00:17:10.946 --> 00:17:18.201 - Um, and I kind of honestly feel like that might make sense because we're a larger city. It seems kind 00:17:18.201 --> 00:17:25.314 - of big. So like, shouldn't we maybe have, I don't know. I think I would want more feedback from the 00:17:25.314 --> 00:17:32.427 - board about that. It seems to me that it operates okay with five. Um, and sometimes you can be more 00:17:32.427 --> 00:17:38.686 - nimble, you know, yeah. How does it break down the 344? Yeah. What is this thing? Okay. 00:17:39.682 --> 00:17:46.492 - Political parties, the number of directors belonging to either of the two major political parties does 00:17:46.492 --> 00:17:53.435 - not exceed the number belonging to the other by more than one. Right. Yeah. So if we did seven, it would 00:17:53.435 --> 00:18:00.245 - be really hard to... Yeah. Also, isn't it saying we need two and three? That's correct. You can't have 00:18:00.245 --> 00:18:07.121 - more than... If we have five, we can't have more than three Democrats. So who are the two non-democrats 00:18:07.121 --> 00:18:08.510 - right now? The corn. 00:18:08.834 --> 00:18:24.177 - And we both have one. And hopefully we could just like keep that because our understanding of everybody 00:18:24.177 --> 00:18:32.734 - works out more. Yeah, interesting so and so then the the. 00:18:36.386 --> 00:18:47.534 - Mayor's seeds have a term of one and two years, respectfully. So that means the theory McCleary should 00:18:47.534 --> 00:18:58.574 - have expired in 25, and Domberfan also should have expired in 25. That's informative. We read the law 00:18:58.574 --> 00:19:00.414 - that's happened. 00:19:01.186 --> 00:19:09.044 - Yeah. So right. That's a lot of, that's a lot. And I do just think it's up to legal to figure out everything 00:19:09.044 --> 00:19:16.470 - around that. We've got folks kind of serving on this board that are no longer appointed. Like at least 00:19:16.470 --> 00:19:23.679 - for us with Doug, he, no, he's passed his intern. He's years off now, right? Is that right? Um, no. 00:19:23.679 --> 00:19:28.798 - So Doug see, Oh yeah. It's right now. So he and Kent are both interim. 00:19:30.050 --> 00:19:39.041 - for 90 days yeah yeah yeah three and four years so two we are doing five years three twenty eight on 00:19:39.041 --> 00:19:47.943 - this on this commission on this commission we are just imagine imagine imagine where this opens you 00:19:47.943 --> 00:19:57.201 - know i wonder if there's some type of is there some precedent that it's like if you take no action they 00:19:57.201 --> 00:19:59.070 - just get reappointed 00:19:59.202 --> 00:20:06.958 - There is a weird thing that happened some years ago related to like a mayoral appointment and them not 00:20:06.958 --> 00:20:14.714 - doing something and it caused the lawsuit. Right, because that's. Yeah, and that was like the previous 00:20:14.714 --> 00:20:22.395 - administration and it was related to like like the Democrat who was the Republican or the Independent 00:20:22.395 --> 00:20:29.022 - on there. So I think I don't have to. The argument might be, I mean, the flip side that 00:20:29.154 --> 00:20:37.266 - Garry McCary might make is that, is that had she have known that their terms were up that she might 00:20:37.266 --> 00:20:46.026 - have reappointed somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. But look at 18. Okay. This is weird vacancies on the aspiration 00:20:46.026 --> 00:20:54.219 - of the term of office of a director. The appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of 00:20:54.219 --> 00:20:56.734 - four years. Oh, wait a minute. 00:20:56.898 --> 00:21:04.711 - until until the director's successor is appointed and qualified. So you stay on until you get until 00:21:04.711 --> 00:21:12.759 - another appointee or somebody else is appointed? This doesn't, I don't understand what it means. Okay, 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:20.573 - the appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of four years. Oh, I wondered if these 00:21:20.573 --> 00:21:22.526 - vacancies was just about 00:21:35.042 --> 00:21:46.513 - Maybe the initial terms are for the start of the art. And then after that, it's four years because those 00:21:46.513 --> 00:21:57.548 - initial terms would create a staggered body. Yeah. It does. I would believe in that direction. Yeah. 00:21:57.548 --> 00:22:01.918 - So maybe they should all be four years. 00:22:02.114 --> 00:22:08.387 - but is it is it what would that would mean that it's only the initial term the very first time it is 00:22:08.387 --> 00:22:14.597 - constituted yeah not the first time that somebody's appointed all right exploration that would mean 00:22:14.597 --> 00:22:20.994 - that that if we if you reappoint like you wouldn't get a staggered board in some future iteration yeah 00:22:20.994 --> 00:22:27.205 - you would no because you could because everybody could there's a time when everybody could quit you 00:22:27.205 --> 00:22:31.614 - could remove people there's like lots of reasons that you might end up 00:22:31.842 --> 00:22:39.819 - reappointing a whole new board. Let's just have legal look at all of it. Yeah. Maybe it is correct and 00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:47.795 - mostly over here we're just interviewing people. So okay, so we want to interview all four candidates? 00:22:47.795 --> 00:22:55.230 - That's what I'm in favor of. Great. I'll move that we interview all four candidates and further 00:22:55.330 --> 00:23:05.099 - that I would request that we interview them as individual interviews as opposed to one group interview. 00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:14.587 - Okay. Sounds good. Like 15 or 20 minutes each, I think is okay. Yeah. And we need to then maybe look 00:23:14.587 --> 00:23:24.638 - at our calendars. First, we need a second. Okay. Okay. So Stossberg? Yes. Rosenberger? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:23:24.802 --> 00:23:38.474 - Okay. 13th. And for the record, to put in, like, the four candidates, you are identifying to interview 00:23:38.474 --> 00:23:51.881 - Kent McDaniel, Zachary Amerman, Perry Mull, and Hank Duncan. Correct. Okay. Should we ask the public 00:23:51.881 --> 00:23:54.270 - comment or? Yeah. 00:23:54.850 --> 00:24:01.696 - Let's have some public comment. Is there anybody who wants to do some public comment? This is very, 00:24:01.696 --> 00:24:08.747 - very informative, obviously. Can you say your name for the record? I'm sorry. I'm Nancy Obermeyer. I'm 00:24:08.747 --> 00:24:15.661 - actually on the board of directors of Bloomington Transit. Appreciate the opportunity to be here and 00:24:15.661 --> 00:24:22.507 - appreciate all this information that you're providing here. So will these interviews be open to the 00:24:22.507 --> 00:24:24.766 - public or not? I think they are. 00:24:24.994 --> 00:24:31.630 - Yeah, they are. Okay. It's, it's one of those awkward things about each candidate could be in all of 00:24:31.630 --> 00:24:38.595 - them. They wanted, you know, but normally it's just the candidate we're interviewing. Just why we haven't 00:24:38.595 --> 00:24:45.166 - asked that open interview. Cause it's like, you all could come anyways, if you want them to, right? 00:24:45.166 --> 00:24:51.802 - So when, uh, so will you keep me posted on when those interviews will be? They'll be posted publicly 00:24:51.802 --> 00:24:53.182 - as they are for all. 00:24:53.410 --> 00:25:05.228 - Yes, it was hard to promise that. I cannot do the third. And then we have the budget like the week after 00:25:05.228 --> 00:25:17.045 - and I'm away that week. I could maybe do the 11th. I just were going to do a lot of interviews. It makes 00:25:17.045 --> 00:25:22.110 - it a little harder, but I could do the 11th. 00:25:24.802 --> 00:25:37.185 - Like 2.30. Can't do the 11th anymore because of the 48 hours. So actually, I'm sorry. I personally am 00:25:37.185 --> 00:25:49.567 - not available to do that one. I can check to see if other people are, but I'm not available that day. 00:25:49.567 --> 00:25:54.302 - 14th. I could do the 14th. I will just 00:25:54.434 --> 00:26:06.144 - virtual, which is the thing. I can do 14th anytime before 2. OK. I have to be after 10 on 14th. And 00:26:06.144 --> 00:26:18.089 - I need to be at somewhere else at 2. We said before 10. After 10. Oh, after 10. OK. So between 10 and 00:26:18.089 --> 00:26:23.710 - 2. Preferably like 10 and 1.30. Yeah, 1.30. OK. 00:26:24.898 --> 00:26:35.505 - If on the 13th, I could do pretty, you know, earlier morning hours if we need that. But then I have 00:26:35.505 --> 00:26:47.067 - to go to an appointment. So do that in person, the earlier hours of the 13th. Can you do that too? Thursday? 00:26:47.067 --> 00:26:54.174 - Thursday. Thursday? Yeah, I can do 13th in the morning. In person? 00:26:55.138 --> 00:27:04.768 - Cause I would probably be okay with that before 11, but I may or I might need to be virtual. And I think, 00:27:04.768 --> 00:27:14.126 - um, Oh my gosh. I have a plate commission meeting next week. Yeah, I could basically be until 11. That 00:27:14.126 --> 00:27:23.211 - works for me. Yeah, I can't believe as well. So what would be your start time on the 13th? Okay. So 00:27:23.211 --> 00:27:24.574 - eight till 11. 00:27:24.738 --> 00:27:33.573 - Okay. And then on the fourth, you'll have from 10 to 130. Okay. Well, they can be virtual. So yes. Right. 00:27:33.573 --> 00:27:42.158 - Hopefully that's enough time. And so because there's four, maybe like what I could do is see if we can 00:27:42.158 --> 00:27:50.910 - maybe do two and two on the 13th and the 14th. I'd rather do the more if I'm honest. Okay. Me too. Okay. 00:27:51.010 --> 00:28:02.570 - Kind of like a year of them, if we can. Okay. So... Okay. I'll see if people would be available. Between... 00:28:02.570 --> 00:28:13.488 - Yeah, it just, like, once I reach out, I'll see who, like, majority of the people would be available, 00:28:13.488 --> 00:28:20.766 - because it also depends on, like... Can we have a poll, like we do? 00:28:21.058 --> 00:28:30.432 - Well, usually I try to tell them, hey, council has identified this time, you'll be available. And usually 00:28:30.432 --> 00:28:39.275 - when I say that, people will work around it. So if there's, yeah. So I can put out the 13th as like 00:28:39.275 --> 00:28:46.526 - the first choice. And if we have anybody that's just like, hmm, then I'll see if, 00:28:46.658 --> 00:28:54.230 - really can do the 14th or one and you could be remote if you wanted then. Yeah I mean we'll see how 00:28:54.230 --> 00:29:01.953 - that feels. Okay so I'll do that I'll work on um I'll put a hold on my arrow. Can I answer this phone 00:29:01.953 --> 00:29:10.206 - call? Yeah we're almost done too so yeah go ahead yeah go ahead. All right um any other matters of business? 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:17.555 - That's it. Okay, great. Let's, um, and you were going to at least reach out to Hank Duncan to make sure 00:29:17.555 --> 00:29:23.826 - he's still interested. Excellent. That is, um, then we'll call this meeting to the conclusion. 00:29:23.826 --> 00:29:25.278 - Thank you. Thank you.