Well, let's be in order then. What's on our agenda, Clerk? So hello, y'all. You only have the Public
Transportation Transit Board to discuss. There's one person to be considered for reappointment,
Kenton Daniel, and he applied for reappointment.
And there are other two applicants that have also applied. I did end up talking to Kent after the public
transportation board, because I know it was an interesting meeting. And so he still wanted, because
there was a comment that was made and an article that basically said,
He wasn't sure if he wanted to continue. And I was like, I just want to talk to you after the dust has
settled. Are you still wanting to do that? I think he is still wanting to consider it to be reappointed.
And I think he was just upset at the situation that transpired. I have a question about the archived
applications because
I guess I looked at those in one of the archived applications, just barely got archived. Oh, today,
literally today. So is that still something that we can consider as well, the archived applications,
or not so much? Because then there would be a total of four potential applicants. As long as it's not
been a calendar year since they applied. OK.
So what are our thoughts here? So Ken wants to continue now, you're saying, and the general feedback
from the board and Lee and the staff members and everything. Yeah, John Connell had reached out and
said that he highly recommended him, and that was before the vote that took place. And so, yeah.
Oh, I would say timeline two is that our next session is September 2nd. So I think if we could just
get a recommendation, and I think that's totally possible. We have plenty of time if we want to do interviews
and figure that out still. Yeah, it feels like we have time to do that. So my feeling is that Perry,
like Perry's a very interesting applicant, but I don't think they bring anything that Ken doesn't bring.
It would be my take.
So if they're, then I don't think that Zach is, I don't think would be an upgrade over Kent or Perry.
So to me it would be between Kent and Perry. And so that would just be the question about whether we
feel like there'd be some value in considering somebody else. I think that given
some situation right now with BT, I think that that would certainly be worth interviewing. And I almost,
I mean, honestly, I kind of want to interview all four, including Hank Duckett application just archived
to. Yeah, I mean, I just, especially since we had until September to me. Yeah, I mostly think there
are a lot of qualified candidates where
I think it'll be hard for me to choose maybe the one and I think it could do the best right now, but
I think they would all be great. And so maybe there would be some more clarity and some interviewing.
Yeah, I'm okay with that. I mean, I think that that's part of why I feel that way is that,
that there's been some shakeup. And I think that all four of those applications look interesting in
different ways, and that all four of them might be good choices for service. And so I, you know. And
I'm just saving to be clear, I'd be very happy to reply again.
And then it sounds like that's the board like that. I mean, he voted the way that I would have hoped
he voted for the change. I think that he's been a great advocate, I think. And I do think there's an
argument to be made, which is with this change, assuming that there's nothing else that can be done
here, having folks who have some understanding about how we got to where we are, it might be very necessary
consistency factor. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I mean, I, I agree that I, I still think it's worth talking to
them about. Yeah. And then when do, I mean, also just thinking in the broader sense, because might the
mayor want to change some of her people
She has two, right? Is it three and two? Is that four? Three and two. I have a question about that,
actually, for Crosley. Is right now, Kent's seat with that term is actually from 8-1-26 to 7-31-20-30.
So in terms of the computer system, that sort of automatically rolls over. But then he's labeled as
interim, and that's how the system does it right now. Exactly.
He has up to 90 days after his term expires to still serve until a new appointment or a reappointment
has been made. So he could still do it while you all are still deliberating on the seat program. Yeah,
the mayor's two appointments, one expires next July and the other expires next July.
Yeah, but I'm, if we want to do interviews, happy to, happy to interview them. I don't, like, I, um,
I am, I love Zach Amherst generally. I, is, do we've, like compared to the other candidates here,
is it, is it worth the interview again? I'm like, we have two people with professional experience managing
transit. So it's my only thinking. To me, it should be between Perry and Kent if we're going
to do interviews, but I also love Hank.
If we're interviewing, I would like to interview that. I'm looking, I guess, at the description. It
doesn't say anywhere on here that there needs to be experience in terms of transportation. That would
be one of those, yeah, maybe it's good, but is it always good or is there some benefit to having
somebody who has fresh eyes or different. And so that's why I would also advocate for interviewing all
of them to really understand the, I would like to make sure to get some like good, very kind of specific
questions related to the responsibilities of the board though. So I don't know, or Crosley, if you could
help with that just to be able to,
I guess really assessing in either way. I would also like to ask Hank if he's still interested or since
it did archive, I don't know if he would have gotten a note about that or not. I just don't know. Yeah,
I see that too, yeah. But I guess just to see if it's still on his radar or what? I have a reservation.
not about Hank, but about the dynamics of when we have this conversation a lot with city employees for
applying for things. In this particular case, it sets a person up who reports to the mayor as appointed
by council. I don't know if we ever are in a situation where, granted, this last situation, it went.
Yeah, I have the same concern and it's not specific at all. It is a city employee and that I think it
would be very hard to not consider your day job. Right.
supervisor of your day job and making a decision. It's not Hank, it's any person. They're on the flip
side. I like the idea of being able to have a stronger integration and visibility with Safe Streets
for All with general things happening and planning and transportation. I think that's a value add. I
think that those are both good points, but I also want to
I don't feel like he actually applied for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, so
that's why I talked about, of course. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we've appointed city employees before.
The board. This board, to me, is also different. It's like RDC and DT are very different. They have,
like, different authorities than, yeah, like, FECOS or something. Yeah. Yeah. But, right, I think it'd
be worth asking about that. And then maybe, I don't know what kind of
authority we have like maybe there should be like a planner non-voting or someone who shows up at the
meetings you know because you're right like the input would be nice I don't know maybe the board member
here can talk about it a little bit when we have public comment don't we do we have a there's a party
affiliation thing with with with yeah there is oh there is yeah oh yeah
You remind us what that is. Statute of citations. Different political parties, because Douglas Horn
is a Republican. No, it's the same as the UEA. You have no more than three of the same parties,
all right? Correct. Appointed by council? I would all agree.
Where is this in the state code or is this in the state and city? Yeah. Sorry, I was looking at the,
I see 36, 9, 4. Well, I just stay 6, 9, 4, 13. Yeah.
public transportation, corporation management, board of directors, exporting a public transportation
corporation is under the control of the board of directors. So it says the board of directors must be
residents of the taxing. The board of director of public transportation is five or seven. It's determined
by city legislative body. That's something we could have done, y'all, to stop this in the past.
But we can't do it now. We could have expanded the board to seven. Hey, also, I guess we're doing this
like the mayor appoints two people. One is for one year and the others for two years. Is that what we
have on board? Director is appointed by the city legislative body for terms of two, three and four years. And then
the mayor as. No, these are both years. These are all four years. So this isn't right. Well, well, there's
that. Right there. That's a lot. Well, so that means that some of these people are to point
to the appropriately their terms have ended.
Same here, so C1. Wait a second, also it says two directors are appointed by, oh no, we do have two
and three. Yeah, we do. So it says our C1 position should be two years. Yeah. C2 should be three and
C4 should be four. So that means Doug is also up. Yes, according to state law, which we should probably
start following.
I'm thinking that would be fun. I mean, but their last vote was that had to have to revisit it because
they worked them because they're they get 90 days. So but but but one of them, but one of them, the
two Meryl appointments should both be. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, oh, my. This is a pretty big deal, actually.
This is actually a pretty big decision being made over there.
I think that this needs to be taken to city legal. Yes, it does. Yeah. Because it does. Yeah. A pretty
large problem and then we can kind of on our end, I think move along with some interviewing because
we do have two seats now that are an interim. How should we take this to city legal? I can take it.
Yeah. Go ahead and reach out now.
Thank you so much. Yeah. And of course, I'll move in. Larry? Yes, please. Reading law is so fun. Wow.
It's right there. Right. And none of that, just FYI, seems to be in our local code. No. And so it might
be worth updating our local code to actually reflect state code.
I definitely tend to look at the citations in the local code a little bit more frequently than in state
code. And it's usually, having looked for things in both of those places, it's way easier to find stuff
in local code than in state code. And two, I think, too, there's been discussion about directors must
be residents of the taxing district of the corporation. I think that actually needs to be looked into as well.
Yeah. Because where you reside and pay your taxes is important for this. All five of these. I don't
see anything about the Republican. It's under 36-9-4-17. I had to scroll. That's very interesting. Well,
this was a great meeting.
Okay, so. So I will, as a member of the committee on council processes, I have to remember the right
initialism, I will bring up modifying this part of the code to incorporate some of the state requirements
and bring up the topic of seven directors as opposed to five.
Um, and I kind of honestly feel like that might make sense because we're a larger city. It seems kind
of big. So like, shouldn't we maybe have, I don't know. I think I would want more feedback from the
board about that. It seems to me that it operates okay with five. Um, and sometimes you can be more
nimble, you know, yeah. How does it break down the 344? Yeah. What is this thing? Okay.
Political parties, the number of directors belonging to either of the two major political parties does
not exceed the number belonging to the other by more than one. Right. Yeah. So if we did seven, it would
be really hard to... Yeah. Also, isn't it saying we need two and three? That's correct. You can't have
more than... If we have five, we can't have more than three Democrats. So who are the two non-democrats
right now? The corn.
And we both have one. And hopefully we could just like keep that because our understanding of everybody
works out more. Yeah, interesting so and so then the the.
Mayor's seeds have a term of one and two years, respectfully. So that means the theory McCleary should
have expired in 25, and Domberfan also should have expired in 25. That's informative. We read the law
that's happened.
Yeah. So right. That's a lot of, that's a lot. And I do just think it's up to legal to figure out everything
around that. We've got folks kind of serving on this board that are no longer appointed. Like at least
for us with Doug, he, no, he's passed his intern. He's years off now, right? Is that right? Um, no.
So Doug see, Oh yeah. It's right now. So he and Kent are both interim.
for 90 days yeah yeah yeah three and four years so two we are doing five years three twenty eight on
this on this commission on this commission we are just imagine imagine imagine where this opens you
know i wonder if there's some type of is there some precedent that it's like if you take no action they
just get reappointed
There is a weird thing that happened some years ago related to like a mayoral appointment and them not
doing something and it caused the lawsuit. Right, because that's. Yeah, and that was like the previous
administration and it was related to like like the Democrat who was the Republican or the Independent
on there. So I think I don't have to. The argument might be, I mean, the flip side that
Garry McCary might make is that, is that had she have known that their terms were up that she might
have reappointed somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. But look at 18. Okay. This is weird vacancies on the aspiration
of the term of office of a director. The appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of
four years. Oh, wait a minute.
until until the director's successor is appointed and qualified. So you stay on until you get until
another appointee or somebody else is appointed? This doesn't, I don't understand what it means. Okay,
the appointing authority shall appoint a director for a term of four years. Oh, I wondered if these
vacancies was just about
Maybe the initial terms are for the start of the art. And then after that, it's four years because those
initial terms would create a staggered body. Yeah. It does. I would believe in that direction. Yeah.
So maybe they should all be four years.
but is it is it what would that would mean that it's only the initial term the very first time it is
constituted yeah not the first time that somebody's appointed all right exploration that would mean
that that if we if you reappoint like you wouldn't get a staggered board in some future iteration yeah
you would no because you could because everybody could there's a time when everybody could quit you
could remove people there's like lots of reasons that you might end up
reappointing a whole new board. Let's just have legal look at all of it. Yeah. Maybe it is correct and
mostly over here we're just interviewing people. So okay, so we want to interview all four candidates?
That's what I'm in favor of. Great. I'll move that we interview all four candidates and further
that I would request that we interview them as individual interviews as opposed to one group interview.
Okay. Sounds good. Like 15 or 20 minutes each, I think is okay. Yeah. And we need to then maybe look
at our calendars. First, we need a second. Okay. Okay. So Stossberg? Yes. Rosenberger? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Okay. 13th. And for the record, to put in, like, the four candidates, you are identifying to interview
Kent McDaniel, Zachary Amerman, Perry Mull, and Hank Duncan. Correct. Okay. Should we ask the public
comment or? Yeah.
Let's have some public comment. Is there anybody who wants to do some public comment? This is very,
very informative, obviously. Can you say your name for the record? I'm sorry. I'm Nancy Obermeyer. I'm
actually on the board of directors of Bloomington Transit. Appreciate the opportunity to be here and
appreciate all this information that you're providing here. So will these interviews be open to the
public or not? I think they are.
Yeah, they are. Okay. It's, it's one of those awkward things about each candidate could be in all of
them. They wanted, you know, but normally it's just the candidate we're interviewing. Just why we haven't
asked that open interview. Cause it's like, you all could come anyways, if you want them to, right?
So when, uh, so will you keep me posted on when those interviews will be? They'll be posted publicly
as they are for all.
Yes, it was hard to promise that. I cannot do the third. And then we have the budget like the week after
and I'm away that week. I could maybe do the 11th. I just were going to do a lot of interviews. It makes
it a little harder, but I could do the 11th.
Like 2.30. Can't do the 11th anymore because of the 48 hours. So actually, I'm sorry. I personally am
not available to do that one. I can check to see if other people are, but I'm not available that day.
14th. I could do the 14th. I will just
virtual, which is the thing. I can do 14th anytime before 2. OK. I have to be after 10 on 14th. And
I need to be at somewhere else at 2. We said before 10. After 10. Oh, after 10. OK. So between 10 and
2. Preferably like 10 and 1.30. Yeah, 1.30. OK.
If on the 13th, I could do pretty, you know, earlier morning hours if we need that. But then I have
to go to an appointment. So do that in person, the earlier hours of the 13th. Can you do that too? Thursday?
Thursday. Thursday? Yeah, I can do 13th in the morning. In person?
Cause I would probably be okay with that before 11, but I may or I might need to be virtual. And I think,
um, Oh my gosh. I have a plate commission meeting next week. Yeah, I could basically be until 11. That
works for me. Yeah, I can't believe as well. So what would be your start time on the 13th? Okay. So
eight till 11.
Okay. And then on the fourth, you'll have from 10 to 130. Okay. Well, they can be virtual. So yes. Right.
Hopefully that's enough time. And so because there's four, maybe like what I could do is see if we can
maybe do two and two on the 13th and the 14th. I'd rather do the more if I'm honest. Okay. Me too. Okay.
Kind of like a year of them, if we can. Okay. So... Okay. I'll see if people would be available. Between...
Yeah, it just, like, once I reach out, I'll see who, like, majority of the people would be available,
because it also depends on, like... Can we have a poll, like we do?
Well, usually I try to tell them, hey, council has identified this time, you'll be available. And usually
when I say that, people will work around it. So if there's, yeah. So I can put out the 13th as like
the first choice. And if we have anybody that's just like, hmm, then I'll see if,
really can do the 14th or one and you could be remote if you wanted then. Yeah I mean we'll see how
that feels. Okay so I'll do that I'll work on um I'll put a hold on my arrow. Can I answer this phone
call? Yeah we're almost done too so yeah go ahead yeah go ahead. All right um any other matters of business?
That's it. Okay, great. Let's, um, and you were going to at least reach out to Hank Duncan to make sure
he's still interested. Excellent. That is, um, then we'll call this meeting to the conclusion.
Thank you. Thank you.