I am going to call this meeting to order and we'll just do a quick attendance. So I am the chair of
this committee and my name is Sydney Zolik. I represent the downtown district, which is district six.
Matt, Larry and I are represented on the council. Go ahead. That's okay. I'm Jennifer from the clerk's
office. And I'm Dave Ferrello, council district four.
I just forgot. Hello, and then we have Triana and Joseph with us. Can you hear us okay, Joseph? Oh,
yeah. Hi, everyone. Hello. So I'll just, the way that we're going to do this interview is each of us
are going to ask a question or two, and we're going to start with a different person each time so that
No one is put on the spot too much. Um, and I guess I'll start with my colleagues. Oh, sure. Yeah. Time
to start. Uh, maybe, so we have your applications with a little bit of information about you and you're
interested in serving in the city's commission on status of children and youth. Could you tell us a
bit more about, uh, your interest and why you decided to apply? And we could start with Trayana here
in the room for the first round and then alternate thereafter. Yeah. So I'm interested in.
serving on this commission because of my passion for helping others and for my passion of, I guess,
the children in Bloomington. I work
As a I'm a mentor of the first year experiences. So I work with people who aren't exactly at the youth
level anymore. But however, they are at the level of transitioning into adulthood. So I do know like
things about being a youth specifically. For me, I do look for volunteer positions around Bloomington.
I do have a lot of volunteer hours and I thought this would be a really good place for me to volunteer at.
a little bit about my background. I'm also from Indianapolis, Indiana, and I went to Pike High School.
Thank you. Joseph? Same question, go ahead. I'm sorry, could you please repeat the question? Yeah,
no problem. Just a bit more about your interest and what made you want to serve on the commission. Yeah,
so I'm interested in the commission because of its mission and it also aligns with my lived experience
and the work that I kind of
do in Bloomington. So when I first arrived here in Bloomington as a refugee, I kind of struggled with
orientation, lack of resources in the MCCSC school system. And I kind of saw how if a young person,
if they're not given a voice, then they can kind of be discouraged and fall through the cracks and stuff.
And the commission's purpose is to empower
empower and nurture every youth in Bloomington. So I kind of want to bring my perspective to make sure
that when policies and things like that are being made, I want to make sure that immigrant and refugee
students are also being, you know, thought into consideration when decisions like that are being made.
So. Excellent. Thank you.
the turnover today. Oh, sure. Thank you for those answers. Joseph, this is a segue from what you were
referring to, and that is, are there particular problems, issues, or challenges for children in Bloomington
that you would focus on? I mean, it might not just be limited to one, but does anything come to mind?
Should we start with Joseph this time? Yeah.
So I guess this would be more of what MCCSE can do, but especially from my personal experience, when
I first came to the States as a sophomore and enrolled at Bloomington High School South, there wasn't
like any resources or like didn't sit down with me to kind of go over like how the US school system
works, like what social events like prom or homecoming.
and such things like that, or what GPAs are, or what honors AP classes are, or even how to apply to
colleges, and the scholarships out there that are giving full right to very talented young individuals
who are undocumented and also immigrant and refugee students. So I guess that would be one of the things
that I can think of right now,
either MCCIC or also the commission can also, you know, can work towards building these resources for
that community, yeah. Great, thank you. I would focus on equity, leveling the playing grounds for students
within Bloomington specifically. I feel like sometimes I, well, I volunteer with this,
community of individuals who have disabilities as well. So I feel like leveling the playground for them
specifically. I know when I talk to a lot of them, they talk about how they have such dreams and passions,
but however, sometimes they're missed because just because of the simple fact that they have
these disabilities as well. So I would focus on equity for that community and for all the students.
Thank you. I have a question that's in a similar vein.
a little bit different. So it's a two-part question and that is what do you think is the most important
thing to keep in mind when making recommendations to organizations to support healthy child development
and what skills do you think that you have that would help you in accomplishing that goal? Okay so repeat
the first one. Yes absolutely. What do you think
Someone should take into consideration when making a recommendation to organizations that support healthy
childhood development. A lot of times,
So from what I heard from your answer as well, so a lot of times we're learning about in social work
right now, the way that a lot of these recommendations are Western centric and they focus on the Western
population more than they focused on the people who are minorities as well. Like there are a lot of
different backgrounds that are taken into consideration when these choices are made. So I would say
they need to keep in mind that everybody isn't raised the same, everybody doesn't have the same beliefs
as well. So it's bringing a more holistic
recommendation based when recommend, when recommend, sorry. To these communities as well, like rather
like you can recommend something that is good for I guess the whole but however you need to take into
account those minorities and those people who aren't playing on the same level grounds as well. Is that
a question please? Yes, absolutely.
What skills do you have that would help you in that? The skills that I have in this is I study social
work. So I have a very wholesome idea of, I guess, what the disadvantage is, like, compensate. So I
feel like those are skills that I have within that. And I also continue learning, like, outside of my
curriculum. Like, I like to expose myself to different populations and different things as well. So
outside of what
experience I have and outside of what the schools are teaching me, I'll also seek to have different
understandings of different people's lives. Thank you. Joseph, go ahead. I'm sorry, could you please
repeat that? Yes, absolutely. It was a long question. What do you think is important to keep in mind
when making recommendations to organizations that support childhood development? And what skills do
you have that would help you
accomplished that? I think for the first question to also kind of go over what has already been said
but I think it's also very important is representation of every voice that you know let's say they're
making a specific decision about something in that line then we could we should like look at that line
and see what youth are being affected and then gain their
first-hand personal perspective. And another thing is also getting an expert's perspective on how decisions
should be handled. So maybe a professor who is an expert in that field. And what was the second question?
I'm sorry. What skills do you have that would help you do that? Oh, so I would say
very involved in my own community. I serve as the MCCSE Superintendents Youth Advisory Board. So I kind
of have the skills to get everyone's perspective and also get quote unquote data. It's not data, but
talking to students and see what their problems are or what issues they're facing. I also am a part
of Monroe County Youth Council, so that
has also given me experiences and skills that will, I think, help me with working with the youth. Yeah.
Thank you. OK. Does anyone else have any content questions before we go to the logistical? I was going
to move into logistical. Oh, I know. Sorry. Which is just a bit more about the commissions and your
ability to participate and attend.
This commission meets once a month, I believe it's the third Tuesday of the month at 5.30 p.m. There's
sometimes a little bit of work outside of the commission meetings themselves as well, maybe a few hours
a month. And while occasionally a remote attendance option is permitted, in general, we need people
to be in person and be able to regularly attend so we can have a quorum and the commissions can conduct
their business, all of that, which is sometimes a challenge. And so I wanted to confirm with both of
you if you
Are there, well, regularly at Tuesdays at 5.30, if you anticipate any challenges or problems in your
own schedule in terms of being able to consistently attend meetings and participate? So actually, Joseph,
to you first, any anticipated challenges in being able to actively attend and participate?
I have a question. So when does the work actually start? So we will be
I believe that we have a couple regular sessions left in which we can actually make the appointment
before the end of the year. I believe we should be voting on this on December 3rd as a full council.
And so Jennifer, our lovely deputy clerk, will be sending everyone an email in the few days after. At
that point in time, the work would begin.
Given that it will be December, I'm going to guess there will be a little bit of a lull period, just
because a lot of the boards and commissions meet less during the holiday season. So I would expect to
really start the bulk of the work in January. Oh, yeah, I asked that question because right now I'm
a senior at the Academy.
Right now I'm applying to colleges and stuff and everything is due by December 31st. So before January.
So that would give me a lot more flexibility. And also I am in the MCCSE online curriculum. So my scheduling
is a bit more flexible and yeah, much more flexible. By the bill. Yeah. Okay. Great. Thank you.
Yeah. I'll just wrap it up with next steps. I know that I said a little bit earlier, but once the two
of you leave, we'll have a small deliberation session and make a recommendation to the council to be
approved by the full body at which point the appointment will go through. The whole process takes about
two to three weeks, like I said, and regardless of
what the answer is you will hear from Deputy Claire Crossley. So I would expect first week, first two
weeks of December, you should have an answer. Okay. Okay. Well, thank you both so much. Thank you. Could
I ask one more question? Jennifer, is this appointment for two years? Yes. This doesn't necessarily
disqualify you, but to what extent could you serve that term?
of two years. I mean, are you looking to, you know, Joseph, you're looking to apply to colleges, so
you may be leaving. What's your schedule looking like in terms of the horizon of two years? So I turn
the book first? Yeah. I will be only 10th for the next two years. So you'll be in Bloomington. Okay.
I'll be available again. All right. And Joseph, are you, is it sort of uncertain right now about your
Um, I am talking with my parents, but it seems like the decision is not made, but 90%. It's sure that
I'll be going, going to IU. So, and this seat is for, um, up through.
January 31st of 2026. So it is not technically a full two-year term. It's actually almost over. It's
a vacant two-year term. What we would probably do almost immediately re-appoint. Yes. It would be like
a two-year and one-month term. Okay. Thank you both so much for your interest. We really appreciate
meeting you. Thank you, Joseph. Thank you. Bye. Have a good night. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Nice to meet you all. And do you know how to get out of here? I actually don't think
I do, but I don't think I always do. Thank you. I'm not doing that. No, there's no question. Great to
meet you. Thank you. I'm going to see you later. Bye. Nice to meet you.
Well, next up we have Zachary and this bird because I think Zachary might be in the hallway. Um, I haven't
heard from Chris. So he's going to show up in person. Okay.
Next interview begins at 6 10. Okay. Do we want to discuss real quick? Sounds like both will generally
be here. So, and are generally able to, um, display actively. They're both pretty great. To toss up
for me. Okay. In that case, let's think about.
maybe the perspectives that are already on the commission. You can say I know much about the mayoral
appointments. Our appointments are Fred Schick, Aaron Reynolds, and Tatiana Peters. Okay. I thought
they were both great. I know Joseph from
work that we've done together talking about how to better support refugees and immigrants in the global
solar systems. So that trail was great. And I think that, well, the good thing is we can't make a bad
decision. That's the good thing. There aren't any mayoral vacancies? The only thing that I was going
to say is there are one, two,
I count them that way. One, two, three. Three seats that are up at the end of January. Maybe. Right.
If somebody doesn't read the line. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Twenty twenty six is literally. That's right. Yeah.
I was thinking I know I had to like double check myself. You know, that's because, you know, if the
rate things turn over,
We could just. We could just. We could make a decision and then write the other person and say, you're
really tough notch. Yeah. And if another position opens.
I mean, I don't think we need to even deliberate again or call it. Yeah, we need to make a recommendation
or an individual person could do it, not on behalf of the committee officially. We've kind of done that
type of thing before. Yeah. Hey, we all discussed this previously. We did not vote on this person, but
we all agreed they were great. I'm individually making a recommendation if it becomes a barrier in terms
of timeline. But yeah, we'll be meeting a bunch in a year anyway. So actually, I might not be on this
commission to this committee anymore. I shouldn't have. I didn't plucked for another one. OK. I slightly
lean Joseph.
for the reason of... It's a different perspective. Well, and in particular, the youth council piece,
the currently in high school piece, and he's not going to be in high school for super long, but he has
another semester. And then if he's still here, that might help establish additional connections and
maintain continuity with the Menorah County Youth Council, for instance, which is high school students.
So if he's part of it now,
and then like knows the people there. So even in the transition, like that kind of like helps create
a bridge of sorts. That's just my theorizing, but maybe that could be helpful. That seems like an attractive
element, I guess to me. I would agree. And when we were walking out, Triana asked if I knew of any social
work internships. And so I do think that like there are other paths forward.
I think we can also say like, you two are both people that we want to see on this commission. When January
31st hits, please reapply. Or I think I would consider applications in this. Yeah. To be active enough.
Fabulous. Yeah. Fabulous. But I'm, okay. Should I make a motion then? We're feeling that way? Is that
all right with you? I can go with no. Okay. I would like to move that we recommend,
joseph shane for appointment to see c2 of the commission on the status of children and youth second
and brahlo yes yes clarity yes okay um okay is that something that we can touch on it in the email to
her that we would
We have students that are up very soon. We are very excited about her. And for an example, if the one
council appointment does not reapply, that's a seat that will be vacant starting at the beginning of
February. So you can always do that. And then also, usually what happens is, and this actually just
happened with
friend um he applied for there's another person that applied for something else there wasn't an opening
um at all the mayor's office had an appointment or an opening and i expressed yeah i talked to them
and um they seemed really interested and they appointed them so they you know she also came from and
another student came from
I think it was in September, I did a talk on campus about getting involved with boards and commissions.
And immediately after that, we got emails about, hey, you talked to us about this. How can I apply with
Next Steps? So she's applied for several of them. So it's interesting to see where else. And talking
with her over the phone, her first passion she mentioned was students and youth. The other one was,
uh, folks with disabilities and some of our senior residents as well, which she had mentioned too. So
she actually, she applied for the commission of an agent too. Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Let's keep that in
mind and maybe communicate to her that we've interested in potential appointment if the scene opens
up in the near future. Which committee appoints to commission an agent? I believe that is A or team A. Okay.
That would be, I think, Esau Cain and Isabelle. She communicates about it. She's an exemplary candidate.
All right. Hey, I'm going to go get our guest. OK. And I'm still not seeing Chris at all. So not so
great. Well, what happened in there?
Yeah. Hi there. Where would you like me? Anywhere you'd like. Anywhere is good, yeah. And you're Zachary,
is that right? Yes, that's right. And it seems like maybe we don't have. Nope, not. We don't have any
queue folks. Not yet.
Well, while we're waiting, I think we can do introductions. I'm seeing the representatives of district
six, and I'm the chair of this committee. Okay. Welcome. Thank you. I'm at 30, I'm an at-large
representative, also member of the committee. John Fagrassoli from the clerk's office. Nice to see you
again. Nice to see you. Thank you for all of city council, district four. Nice to see you.
Great to meet you. Great. Okay, so
I guess we don't have our own person, so it looks like it's just you and me. So we're going to get started,
and we're each going to ask a couple of questions, and then we're going to talk about, like, a logistical
aspect of being audited. Does anyone want to start? I can't, sure. So this is the Commission
on Sustainability, which has been around since about 2005. We also have an economic and sustainable
development department.
Sustainability can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Can you tell us a little bit more about
what sustainability means to you, how you think about sustainability, and what drove your interest in
applying to this commission? Well, I'm extremely interested in sustainability. Most of my passions are
related to sustainability or environmentalism in some way.
I'm very passionate, as I think you know about transportation issues, I emailed you about transportation
issues, which I know this doesn't directly intersect with, but that's one thing I'm interested
in. Sustainable transportation, composting, lots of wildlife protection, things of that nature, are
all things I'm very interested in. My job is I'm an independent map maker, and a lot of my maps and
graphic designs and things that I do are nature, science, and environmental related.
So it's like a huge fashion of mine, anything having to do with the environment or nature or sustainability,
so yeah. Okay, great. Yeah, well, we'd like to ask the next question. Yeah, well, just following up
on, you mentioned wildlife protection. What does that mean? Well, I think, I fundamentally think that
cities and wildlife are 100% compatible and there's nothing, there's no reason why they can't, you can't
invite wildlife into the city and increase biodiversity.
there are different ways you can do that. And I'm not sure, one of my questions actually, I don't know
if there's going to be a chance for questions or not, is the overlap between this commission and other
commissions? Because I know there's an environmental commission, and I know obviously there's transportation
commission and transportation and land use policy are in sustainability policy maybe, but there's also
those commissions. So I know there's going to be some overlap. What, how much does this deal with different
issues compared to others? That's one question I have. I don't know if it's, yeah.
You know, environmental commission, sustainability commission often have similar goals and relate and
sometimes join forces and things. Clearly they're both concerned about climate change and so forth.
But I guess where I'm going with that is, so there's a, here, I'll just give you an example. There's
a policy right now for a deer haunted griffey. Is that compatible with
you know, wildlife protection, because it's an ecosystem, it's done for ecosystem purposes. Is it? Yes,
I think it is, personally. I think, I mean, the ideal scenario would be to have predators around, but
obviously that's not going to be happening anytime in the near future, and that's absolutely in Bloomington,
can do with the city. But because there's a lack of that, you have to, I think, hunch to control the
deer population, so. Okay. Yeah, I'm totally in on it. Right in there, yeah.
Dave says the right answer. No, I mean, it wouldn't disqualify you if you said, you know, I'm towards
protecting deer, but, you know, there is a difference, right? I mean, you know, do you say deer are
more important than birds because that affects birds and for certain things. Yeah. So that's,
that's all I. And you have that as an ecosystem in an entirety and not just one system. Yeah. I have
a question based on your
application. It's been a while. One of the things that you dealt with in DC was environmental racism.
Obviously, Wilmington is a lot more white than DC. But I guess what, I'm curious, what do you think
are the differences between the obstacles that DC versus here faces? And that's a very high level question.
So if you can't answer, don't worry.
And then how would you use those skills to tackle it here? Yeah. So the case I was talking about was
in my neighborhood, my old neighborhood, I used to, I was a former low level elected official in D.C.
The neighborhood that I lived in has a residential park and other people use all the time that the local
transit agency in the 90s
took soil from a site that they later found out had World War I era chemical weapons and buried it in
the park there for, and it's been there for 20 years and people have known about it that it was there.
And they keep finding chemical weapons materials in the park. And so when I was, it was in my district.
And so one of the reasons why I ran was to drive up awareness about that because that's a crazy, it's
nuts that there's chemical weapons buried in a residential park and people have just been ignoring it
for decades. And there has been reason to know that it was there
from the very beginning, from the 1990s. So I actually, I met with Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton
several times, who was our D.C.'s delegate to Congress, and got her to actually write several letters
to the Biden administration and now the Trump administration requesting additional funding to basically
turn it into a superfine site to try to get it fixed. So that's why I brought up, that's something that
I've worked on is environmental racism. I don't think there's anything of that
And hopefully nothing at that level in Bloomington that I would have to work on. But we are always surprised.
Yeah, I know. We have our share of Superfund sites, PCPs, and... In poor neighborhoods. Yeah, that tends
to be where they are, yeah. So the reason that's why I brought that up is that I have some experience
working on, especially within an advisory role, the local form of government that I was
an elected official and doesn't really exist anywhere else. It's an advisory role, kind of similar to
this commission. An advisory that provides advice. Nobody actually has to listen to your advice. So
it was a similar role. So what I tried to do instead of being able, because I couldn't actually get
anything done through voting or passing things, although we did vote and pass some things, was to drive
up public awareness and get it in the news, which I did several times. It's been in several local news
stories and I got a local congresswoman to act too. So I'm very proud.
I mean, it's still there, it's still unresolved, but I drove a lot of awareness about that and I'm proud
of that work. How that connects to Bloomington, obviously, so DC is not a state, it's a federal government,
it's under federal occupation right now as we speak. And so that obviously has its own challenges. And
I think it's not out.
out of the question that Bloomington might have some National Guard troops sent in or something.
I don't know, but I don't think that would affect sustainability issues very much, hopefully. But because
of DC not being a state, there are so many issues that go back to that. And that is one of them, because
that was a national park plot of land. And since we don't have any representation of Congress that can
vote at least, we don't have anybody that could do anything about it directly. So anyway, sorry, I'm
rambling a little bit.
I was actually just in DC last week. Yeah. For Crooked Con. Okay, cool. Pots of America. Cool, cool.
Yeah, that's fun. That's really interesting. Thank you for sharing, baby. So does anyone have any substance
questions? I have a logistic question and I was going to answer Zachary's question as well
about intersections. Dave and I have both served on the Commission on Sustainability. I think both as
residents and as council members, maybe only as a council member in your case. Yes.
I served on it as a resident previously and I served as a council member. The city's climate action
plan and then the UN sustainable development goals are kind of the frameworks that the commission uses
to think about sustainability, which extends much more broadly to like social equity and economic issues.
Though I think there does tend to be a strong intersectional component with environment type of things,
but you'll see the environmental commission doing more like air quality stuff or habitat corridors or
things like that, right? Like pollinator friendly habitat. So a little different, even though there's
intersections.
Um, I think the other thing I would just say, by the way, the commissions work, um, is that with all
commissions, actually, it's useful for folks to know this is that it's pretty open-ended in terms of
they can shape for themselves what the priority areas are, how they want to engage this particular
commission. Actually, the environmental commission has weighed in on development, you know, and land
use proposals. There's no reason that commission on sustainability couldn't do that. Also, I think they
even have on a few occasions, similar transportation issues. Yes, we have a transportation commission
that is charged with sustainability as one of its.
Pillars for how they make decisions, but I think the synergies and cross commission interaction and
engagement is like really positive. So like, don't feel like you have to stay in your, I guess, like
those lanes aren't closed. Like, it's just finding the right fit for like commission collaboration or
how to engage on those topics. My logistical question is just that I think this commission meets once a month.
Uh, on Tuesdays at like six to seven 30. And then I think they've been in that haven't recently in the
last year or so of also having what work sessions. So maybe twice a month, actually, you know, if you're
in one of the working groups. Um, and so just generally important that folks are able to attend in person
most of the time, uh, for, you know, the group step or I'm able to conduct their business and not get
bogged down. So just confirming, I guess your availability and commitment to be able to.
serve in that capacity. Yeah. And it's the first Tuesday of the month, is that right? The second Tuesday
of the month, 6 PM. Yeah. I mean, theoretically, that shouldn't be an issue at all. Like I said, I'm
my own boss, so I can move my... I have a lot of work, but I can move it around. So it shouldn't be
an issue. Thank you. Right. Yeah. So in that case, this interview has concluded. Just real quick, it's
a two-year appointment, but how long is the seat?
before we reappoint. Also, like the other one, this one is up at 26. Okay. Just wondering about your
availability for the horizon of two years. Do you think you can serve the term? Yeah. Should be. That's
the only reason why I wouldn't be able to. Okay. Terrific. Yeah. I mean, obviously, things come up in
life. Sure, of course. But as of right now, yes. It's not a hard and fast commitment, but just we tend
to meet a lot to appoint people. Yeah.
So after this, we will deliberate and make a recommendation to the council as a full body. That will
probably be voted on on December 3rd. And so you should hear from Deputy Clerk Cross in the first two
weeks of December. And it's likely that your work would start in January. Yes. Well, thank you so much.
It's so fun to learn from you.
We're going to meet you. Yeah, you too. Yeah. Thank you. How many more you guys have today? We'll see.
That's it. We're heading to a meeting. Oh, OK. Yeah. It's a deliberation session on the housing. Oh,
OK. It's from 630 to 830. Oh, yeah. I think I saw about that. OK. You know all the chairs we set up
for? Yeah, we've got rooms, so. Yeah, that might stick around. OK, what time is it? 630? 630 to 830.
OK, cool. That might stick around. Cool. All right, thank you. Yeah, sure.
He's great to meet you. So Christopher just sent an email two minutes ago and said he did not get the
calendar notification. His calendar notification did not alert him. And he just realized the meeting
is right now. Is it too late to swing up there? Yes. I'm assuming so, but I'm willing to run if it's
a possibility. Well, we do have two vanities.
Um, the other thing is there's a C and Sean actually interview both of them. So, um, technically staff
has already interviewed. I see MCC appointment, but that's, that's the, um, usually been an ex officio
seat from them in our County environmental council, essentially. And that's vacant. And then there's.
Council vacancy at CCC 5, but I don't see any others. And I've been asking about the county's appointment
and surprise, surprise, I've not heard. Oh, it's not MCC, it's the commissioners. Right, but normally
they've made that appointment as somebody from the Monroe County Environmental Council is how they've
typically built that CEO. Yeah, it was no one had it for a long time.
It also works for utilities. Okay, so should we make a recommendation on Zachary? I think that's closer.
I'm happy to do that. Yeah, I feel good about it. Without interviewing Christopher. I'm a little bit
like, I don't know, we scheduled the meeting. I feel bad. Other things might come up. I'd be happy to
reconsider him. People make mistakes. There are two up in 26. There are two others up in 26, and that's
not Austin and Zeno Rose.
So there is the opportunity for us to either re-interview the two people that may re-apply and Chris,
but I do think given Jennifer's email, that they are looking for us to make the appointment on December
3rd. Does that count? Yes, I'm okay with Zachary. I just wanted to know. I mean, mistakes happen. We
didn't get to meet Christopher.
Yeah, there are quite a few things open in 26 on our side and the mayor's side, so six seats total open.
And actually, I do believe, I think Zero might be resigning. Okay. So I got an email. I think it was
mentioned to staff that he might be resigning, but I've not seen anything. So. Well, only two months
left. I mean, that would be a pretty simple transition.
Yeah, I've heard that there might be another resolution to it, but I'm not sure. So, um, I'll make the,
um, motion to appoint, uh, Zachary. To see five. Okay. Uh, clarity. Yes. And then that's it. Okay. Fabulous.
In that case, this meeting is adjourned.