WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.160 - Good evening seen as we have a quorum and it is 630. I'm gonna go ahead and call this 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:13.180 - Deliberation session of the Bloomington Common Council to order here on Wednesday, April 9th. Will 00:00:13.180 --> 00:00:15.120 - the clerk please call the roll? 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:25.320 - Councilmember Flaherty here Ruff here Rallo here Piedmont Smith here Stossberg 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:28.560 - Daly is absent Zulek here 00:00:29.560 --> 00:00:32.060 - Rosenberger here and Asari 00:00:32.060 --> 00:00:35.720 - Thank you 00:00:35.720 --> 00:00:37.720 - I've been trying to start out most meetings 00:00:37.720 --> 00:00:40.560 - this year with some 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.040 - items of historical interest I 00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:47.600 - Skipped that last week because we were trying really really hard to have a really fast meeting 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.680 - Which we accomplished very well 00:00:50.680 --> 00:00:53.840 - So but today I am going to start off with 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.560 - This little tidbit related to black culture in Bloomington 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:01.000 - so in the early 1970s 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:05.840 - Dr. Herman C. Hudson oversaw several developments related to black culture on the IU campus 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.860 - including founding the black studies department 00:01:07.860 --> 00:01:14.160 - Opening the black culture center and the afro-american arts institute and that includes the african-american 00:01:14.160 --> 00:01:15.040 - dance company 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.500 - And I wanted to highlight that tonight because this weekend they are having their 50th anniversary 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:24.830 - Two-part performance on Friday and Saturday night at the bus car chumbly. So I just thought that 00:01:24.830 --> 00:01:27.040 - that was something important to note 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:31.920 - Especially in this moment where it seems like there's a lot of pieces of culture that are trying to 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.600 - be canceled 00:01:32.600 --> 00:01:38.270 - This is something this weekend that is going to continue to be highlighted. Hopefully for at least 00:01:38.270 --> 00:01:39.280 - another 50 years 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:45.200 - So on to our agenda summation 00:01:45.800 --> 00:01:51.560 - Since last week's meeting was very brief. We're gonna start with a period of councilmember reports 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:52.040 - tonight 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.920 - Then we are gonna have a council discussion related to budget priorities for 2026 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:01.880 - We're gonna have public comment related to budget priorities some notes on council schedule and 00:02:01.880 --> 00:02:03.000 - then adjournment 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:05.360 - So we will start on 00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:09.040 - My right with councilmember reports councilmember Flaherty 00:02:09.040 --> 00:02:12.240 - Thank You councilmember rough 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:19.060 - Councilmember Rallo. Yes, just to announce that councilmember Ruff and I have our monthly 00:02:19.060 --> 00:02:24.660 - constituent meeting this Saturday at 10 a.m. Which is April 00:02:24.660 --> 00:02:28.360 - 12 I believe 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:35.500 - So you can find a link at the council website Bloomington dot ion dot gov slash council and 00:02:35.500 --> 00:02:38.200 - You're welcome to join us 00:02:38.200 --> 00:02:39.960 - Thank you 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:41.960 - Thank You councilmember Piedmont Smith 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:43.960 - Yes 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.080 - Yes 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.400 - As many of you know, there was a large 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:54.000 - Demonstration here in Bloomington and many cities throughout the country on Saturday a hands-off 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:54.440 - rally 00:02:54.440 --> 00:03:00.640 - to let the federal government and especially Donald Trump's administration know that 00:03:00.640 --> 00:03:04.040 - We value 00:03:04.040 --> 00:03:08.720 - Social justice we value integrity. We value the rights of 00:03:08.720 --> 00:03:11.920 - people from all walks of life 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.280 - value diversity equity and inclusion 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:20.120 - And many other things that that were addressed during the rally 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:25.020 - And I just wanted to mention that and there was a good turnout and councilmember Zulek and I spoke 00:03:25.020 --> 00:03:26.700 - and councilmember Asari as well 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:32.400 - and some of our colleagues from the county and state governments as well and 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.270 - It's just very important for us to keep speaking out about what's happening in our federal 00:03:37.270 --> 00:03:40.560 - government because it is not normal and it is not acceptable 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:43.200 - For 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:49.440 - Myself, I do have a constituent meeting this Saturday is always the second Saturday of the month 00:03:49.440 --> 00:03:52.520 - It'll be at 11 a.m. 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.560 - And since the farmers market has started back up 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.760 - in 00:03:58.760 --> 00:04:03.440 - In front of City Hall, there will be an in-person component. So it'll be a hybrid meeting 00:04:03.440 --> 00:04:07.680 - I will be in person in the McCloskey room of City Hall from 11 to 12 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.140 - 11 to 12, but you can also join via zoom and 00:04:11.140 --> 00:04:14.080 - There will be a link 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:20.090 - As for councilmembers are all own rough. There's a link on the City Council web page to that zoom 00:04:20.090 --> 00:04:20.700 - meeting 00:04:20.700 --> 00:04:23.560 - Thank you 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:28.590 - Great. Thank you going down to the other end councilmember. Sorry no report. Thanks. That's member 00:04:28.590 --> 00:04:29.120 - Rosenberger 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.800 - councilmember Zulek 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:39.480 - My my new newsletter will be releasing on Monday. So if you'd like to subscribe you can go to tiny 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:39.780 - URL 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:41.880 - calm 00:04:41.880 --> 00:04:45.260 - Civic zoo. I hope to be interesting. Thanks 00:04:45.260 --> 00:04:47.640 - Thank you 00:04:47.640 --> 00:04:51.920 - and I have a small report I 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:53.880 - also want to 00:04:53.880 --> 00:04:58.140 - Make sure to announce my constituent meeting well in advance. It is not this Saturday. It is next 00:04:58.140 --> 00:04:59.840 - Saturday April 19th 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:05.680 - And it will be here right down the hall in the McCloskey room at 11 from 11 to 12 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.280 - And then also this Saturday in addition to a councilmember Piedmont Smith's constituent meeting 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:16.200 - There's actually the Indiana Democratic Party has organized a people's town hall here 00:05:16.200 --> 00:05:18.600 - in City Hall from 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.680 - 10 to 1130 and there will be various 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:27.230 - Democratic officials there having that town hall. So that is the second thing that I wanted to 00:05:27.230 --> 00:05:27.520 - share 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.620 - and then this transitions us into our discussion tonight, so 00:05:32.620 --> 00:05:40.970 - We have a little community survey which is linked to a QR code that I believe our council attorney 00:05:40.970 --> 00:05:41.520 - is going to get up 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:43.200 - on the screen 00:05:43.200 --> 00:05:45.920 - That is a very simple survey 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.300 - Of what we are starting to talk about tonight, which is 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:54.400 - budget outcome areas and budget outcomes 00:05:54.400 --> 00:05:59.210 - We are shifting to outcome based budgeting and so part of the idea with that is to prioritize our 00:05:59.210 --> 00:05:59.800 - outcomes 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:03.280 - What kind of outcomes do we want so before we ever have any discussion about it? 00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:07.460 - I want members of the public to take this little survey and take like three four minutes. It is 00:06:07.460 --> 00:06:08.000 - literally 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:13.480 - Your top five 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:20.470 - Outcome areas without any other additional information right now in terms of what any of that means 00:06:20.470 --> 00:06:20.840 - or 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:27.040 - What might fit into those areas and it's you can this is what this is what happens when you have a 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:27.720 - teacher in charge 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:34.040 - Of things is the teacher gives you a pretest. So this is like a pretest. I'm sorry, not really 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:34.180 - though 00:06:34.180 --> 00:06:39.720 - So 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.810 - This is the moment where council pauses for just a second to give the public just a minute to do 00:06:44.810 --> 00:06:46.560 - that survey while 00:06:47.520 --> 00:06:52.600 - Council members can also think about that because we had a whole little budget worksheet that we 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.780 - were supposed to work on 00:06:54.780 --> 00:07:01.980 - And hopefully we will be prepared for that conversation next 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:15.780 - Take this little survey that's probably okay, too, but we're gonna talk about it. So 00:07:15.780 --> 00:07:17.780 - So 00:07:17.780 --> 00:07:38.820 - I'm sorry what no 00:07:38.820 --> 00:07:45.740 - That that would have been that would have been fun if I thought of that earlier 00:07:45.740 --> 00:07:47.740 - I 00:07:47.740 --> 00:07:51.820 - For for 00:07:51.820 --> 00:07:55.580 - Just to review the process by which we're going to 00:07:55.580 --> 00:08:00.580 - Manage this year's budget conversations for those of you who maybe were not 00:08:00.580 --> 00:08:06.700 - We're not at the meeting last week tonight's discussion sort of starts off 00:08:06.700 --> 00:08:13.540 - This process of prioritization of council and so we're going to have a conversation tonight 00:08:14.340 --> 00:08:19.050 - Next week at the Fiscal Committee meeting the Fiscal Committee is charged with kind of synthesizing 00:08:19.050 --> 00:08:22.160 - the conversation tonight and building a priority 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.860 - lists like like a 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:27.460 - priority, oh my gosh a 00:08:27.460 --> 00:08:32.540 - Prioritized list of council budget priorities and 00:08:32.540 --> 00:08:37.620 - Then we will come back as a full council on the 30th to 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:40.340 - Vote on that list from the Fiscal Committee 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:44.590 - Basically, it'll be a test to see if the Fiscal Committee managed to synthesize the conversation. 00:08:44.590 --> 00:08:44.660 - Well 00:08:44.660 --> 00:08:52.530 - So so this is just the beginning of the conversation and so at the Fiscal Committee meeting next 00:08:52.530 --> 00:08:54.160 - week there will certainly be the 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:56.620 - results of this 00:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.420 - And I appreciate the the seven responses that have come in so far 00:09:00.420 --> 00:09:04.820 - Eight responses that have come in so far fantastic 00:09:04.820 --> 00:09:07.500 - That will be open 00:09:08.140 --> 00:09:13.380 - I'll leave it open for a little while longer, but I really did want to kind of get like a pre look 00:09:13.380 --> 00:09:14.720 - from people 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:21.600 - and I kind of do expect that things might might change after hearing discussion and after 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.220 - this whole process tonight, but I 00:09:25.220 --> 00:09:30.140 - Think 00:09:30.140 --> 00:09:32.740 - That we're gonna move on right now 00:09:33.020 --> 00:09:39.260 - To our actual conversation. So in terms of council members and how we're gonna facilitate this 00:09:39.260 --> 00:09:39.660 - today 00:09:39.660 --> 00:09:43.060 - We're gonna start with that conversation of step one 00:09:43.060 --> 00:09:47.540 - Choosing and defining outcome areas with everybody being able to kind of 00:09:47.540 --> 00:09:53.960 - Talk about their top one or two or three and the reasons why they chose those those outcome areas 00:09:53.960 --> 00:10:01.220 - I'm hoping that that takes I believe oh, I forgot to write my times down on my cheat sheet here 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:04.780 - I believe that that was 20 to 30 minutes set aside for that part 00:10:04.780 --> 00:10:10.460 - And then we're gonna move on to part two, which is facilitating discussions of specific budget 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:12.060 - interest or items 00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:17.410 - Okay, so specific things that council members go. Yes, I definitely want that in and then we're 00:10:17.410 --> 00:10:20.420 - kind of gonna have a break slash community engagement activity 00:10:20.420 --> 00:10:24.600 - so if you're in chambers, you'll notice that there's some big sheets of paper there over on the 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.620 - side and on those sheets of paper are the 00:10:27.300 --> 00:10:34.620 - 12 items that were on that survey and that were in the packet as examples of outcome areas 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:40.460 - So our task for the community and council members to during that break is to think of a specific 00:10:40.460 --> 00:10:42.340 - program activity 00:10:42.340 --> 00:10:48.290 - Something that the city does that you personally just think is really really valuable or is really 00:10:48.290 --> 00:10:48.700 - important 00:10:48.700 --> 00:10:52.340 - It can be something really big or it can be you know, something really small 00:10:52.580 --> 00:10:57.630 - Write it on a post-it note and then stick it under whichever particular area. It is that you think 00:10:57.630 --> 00:10:58.420 - it fits under 00:10:58.420 --> 00:11:01.340 - after that we're going to 00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:07.890 - Council's gonna come back together and have the discussion of step to the broad goals and the kind 00:11:07.890 --> 00:11:10.580 - of specific measurable outcomes that we think 00:11:10.580 --> 00:11:13.380 - That we've thought of already 00:11:13.380 --> 00:11:18.340 - then we'll have a period of general public comment around the budget items and 00:11:18.340 --> 00:11:21.820 - That will essentially be our meeting. Okay 00:11:22.820 --> 00:11:27.180 - Does anybody have any questions about what we're doing here tonight before we start? 00:11:27.180 --> 00:11:36.340 - Great so who wants to start by telling me or us their 00:11:36.340 --> 00:11:42.460 - Top one or two or three outcome areas 00:11:47.260 --> 00:11:52.060 - Yeah, say the bullets you picked say why you picked them like order them if you can like I know 00:11:52.060 --> 00:11:53.780 - like I personally kind of 00:11:53.780 --> 00:11:58.860 - Have a number one and a number one a and one B and then a number two and a number three 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:03.300 - So, I don't know how everybody else did it. But yeah sharing those things and the wise 00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:07.040 - Who wants to start or do I need to just like go down the list that? 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:12.460 - All right, go ahead councilmember Rosenberger 00:12:13.140 --> 00:12:16.060 - What I put on the list on the QR code 00:12:16.060 --> 00:12:19.660 - I'm just looking at the worksheet that I filled out 00:12:19.660 --> 00:12:25.110 - And you're looking you're asking us about the number step one choose or define outcome areas. Yes. 00:12:25.110 --> 00:12:26.660 - So my top three I think were 00:12:26.660 --> 00:12:28.820 - affordable housing 00:12:28.820 --> 00:12:34.300 - and homelessness transportation and mobility and public safety, I guess I would say 00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:36.700 - I 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:39.540 - chose those in general because I 00:12:40.300 --> 00:12:42.860 - think they are the areas where 00:12:42.860 --> 00:12:45.620 - things are in crisis and 00:12:45.620 --> 00:12:54.250 - I think they are the areas where we have the ability via our code and as councilmembers to make the 00:12:54.250 --> 00:12:55.080 - most impact 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:59.940 - In terms like, you know the work we're legally allowed to do here 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:08.260 - Okay, I want to put a hat or put a 00:13:08.260 --> 00:13:10.260 - I 00:13:10.260 --> 00:13:15.850 - Think I want to ask you said those are the areas where you think council members can have the most 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:16.620 - impact and 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:22.260 - I'm not sure if right now I want to have that specific discussion, but maybe in a little bit 00:13:22.260 --> 00:13:26.180 - I want to know what specific impact do you think council members can have in those areas? 00:13:26.180 --> 00:13:32.780 - Who's next 00:13:32.780 --> 00:13:36.940 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith 00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:45.340 - So I had I was also thinking of what the most dire needs of our community are and 00:13:45.340 --> 00:13:48.900 - So I had 00:13:48.900 --> 00:13:50.900 - affordable housing homelessness 00:13:50.900 --> 00:13:52.940 - Then I had Health and Human Services 00:13:52.940 --> 00:13:58.940 - thinking mostly of mental health care and substance use disorder treatment and 00:13:58.940 --> 00:14:05.220 - Then I had public safety which is of course those three are all tied together as well 00:14:05.660 --> 00:14:08.380 - Now equity was one item in the list 00:14:08.380 --> 00:14:13.220 - But I I have a hard time thinking of that as a separate thing 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:16.180 - I think that that should be interwoven with all the other goals 00:14:16.180 --> 00:14:25.820 - Great who wants to go next 00:14:25.820 --> 00:14:29.860 - Councilmember sorry, I 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:33.540 - Think to me one of the 00:14:34.620 --> 00:14:37.880 - I think one of the one of the things that's maybe not 00:14:37.880 --> 00:14:42.180 - Directly reflected often our budget is maybe the way I was I was thinking about it 00:14:42.180 --> 00:14:44.780 - But I'm economic health and jobs is something that 00:14:44.780 --> 00:14:47.780 - You know, I'd like to see us 00:14:47.780 --> 00:14:51.140 - Prioritizing was probably I think has a lot of downstream 00:14:51.140 --> 00:14:54.300 - Effects on a lot of other things affordable housing 00:14:54.300 --> 00:14:57.480 - Probably, you know 1a or or 2 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:02.140 - And neighborhood livability and social health. That's why I said it's three 00:15:02.140 --> 00:15:07.320 - I was just say sort of maybe to also maybe I don't know be provocative or open it up for a further 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:08.680 - conversation as well that 00:15:08.680 --> 00:15:10.580 - the I 00:15:10.580 --> 00:15:15.020 - Think there's some discussion about whether these I mean, I think these are interesting 00:15:15.020 --> 00:15:19.250 - Suggestions of the categories and like, you know, maybe there's some overlap with some of them as 00:15:19.250 --> 00:15:19.860 - well, you know 00:15:19.860 --> 00:15:24.860 - And you know, obviously helped to help had had a hand in and making this list, right? 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:26.860 - but I but I think it's an interesting question of 00:15:26.860 --> 00:15:30.620 - Even like what we might define as our buckets 00:15:30.620 --> 00:15:34.780 - I think there's a really good start there, but I think there's some overlap. I think as councilmember 00:15:34.780 --> 00:15:36.340 - Piedmont Smith 00:15:36.340 --> 00:15:38.640 - Mentioned as well 00:15:38.640 --> 00:15:44.520 - Yeah, those those probably mine. I think sort of my my one one star is economic health and jobs 00:15:44.520 --> 00:15:51.140 - Affordable housing and then neighborhood livability and social health which to me sort of involves 00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:53.360 - transportation and public safety and things like that as well 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:57.340 - Great thank you 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:04.220 - I'll just say my number one priority is affordable housing and I think that a lot of 00:16:04.220 --> 00:16:08.420 - these categories tie into each other and sometimes if 00:16:08.420 --> 00:16:11.020 - taking care of one 00:16:11.020 --> 00:16:13.580 - Some of the other things will be taken care of as well 00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:19.580 - For example public safety. We know that when people have the resources that they need crime goes 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:20.000 - down 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:25.380 - stuff like that, and so I think everything is pretty intertwined, but 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:32.420 - Making sure that everyone has an affordable place to live and then I would say to 00:16:32.420 --> 00:16:36.340 - a and to be our transportation mobility and 00:16:36.340 --> 00:16:42.750 - Neighborhood livability and social health. I think they all tie in together as to what like a 00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:43.920 - healthy successful 00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:45.540 - life 00:16:45.540 --> 00:16:47.540 - Looks like 00:16:47.540 --> 00:16:51.180 - Thank you who's next down here at the other end 00:16:53.300 --> 00:16:57.500 - Councilor Barallo sure I I picked five actually 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:03.600 - And then prioritize them, but I couldn't I could winnow it down to three that would where I could 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.240 - apply specific budget 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:14.500 - Well, and some are more related to policy directions than actual expenditures, but public safety 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:17.500 - housing 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:19.500 - economic development 00:17:20.300 --> 00:17:24.780 - equity health and human services sort of together on that one and 00:17:24.780 --> 00:17:28.600 - Environment sustainability 00:17:28.600 --> 00:17:34.180 - Great thank you next 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:38.420 - Comes member Flaherty 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:45.620 - Like my colleagues I would say, you know, a lot of these topics are intersectional 00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:50.700 - So it feels a bit arbitrary to prioritize them. I think they're all important but 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:54.500 - In naming a few I think I would focus on 00:17:54.500 --> 00:17:59.660 - Where we're struggling the most and have the most need for making change from where we are now 00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:02.780 - Number one for me would be transportation and mobility 00:18:02.780 --> 00:18:07.580 - Specifically, we've adopted a goal of zero deaths and serious injuries in our streets 00:18:07.580 --> 00:18:11.280 - We have had hundreds and hundreds of serious injuries in our streets and quite a few deaths in the 00:18:11.280 --> 00:18:11.980 - last five years 00:18:11.980 --> 00:18:15.460 - I would also call that the biggest public safety problem we have 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:18.060 - So pretty similar 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:23.760 - Affordable housing and homelessness and then equity and would just again 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:27.020 - Yeah echo that those are those are like 00:18:27.020 --> 00:18:32.590 - Transportation equities about how we improve safety for marginalized users of our roadways things 00:18:32.590 --> 00:18:33.100 - like that 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:38.520 - Changes to our zoning code and how we increase housing supply more diverse housing types housing 00:18:38.520 --> 00:18:40.980 - affordability, etc. That's a housing equity issue 00:18:42.380 --> 00:18:47.260 - Etc, but I think equity for me is and I guess if I have to name the three it's transportation 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:47.740 - mobility 00:18:47.740 --> 00:18:50.220 - affordable housing and homelessness and equity 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:52.580 - and then last note is just that 00:18:52.580 --> 00:18:56.810 - Again sustainability and action on climate implement our climate action plan is deeply intersectional 00:18:56.810 --> 00:18:58.180 - with those as well. Thank you 00:18:58.180 --> 00:19:10.340 - Councilmember sorry, what's your question? Yeah, I'm just reflecting as well. I think I agree with 00:19:10.340 --> 00:19:11.620 - councilmember Flaherty 00:19:11.620 --> 00:19:13.620 - and 00:19:13.620 --> 00:19:19.700 - Thought and in terms of thought experiment one thing that I'm thinking a lot about is I 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:23.100 - Think we might all prioritize 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:29.010 - You know affordable housing as an example, but we don't see that often reflected in our budget per 00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:30.060 - se and I think you know 00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:36.820 - Maybe the the levers that we have for that are perhaps more policy-based or less 00:19:36.820 --> 00:19:40.620 - Let's budgetary but but I'm interested in sort of thinking thinking through that too 00:19:40.620 --> 00:19:45.930 - which is like, you know, what where are the things that we can have I think to the to the question 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:46.260 - of like 00:19:46.260 --> 00:19:48.620 - what are our prior I like the like what are the 00:19:48.620 --> 00:19:56.120 - The the word that you used our big pain points our emergency areas, right but it's like 00:19:56.120 --> 00:20:04.820 - What what can we do in those spaces with with money and so I maybe was thinking about this too from 00:20:04.820 --> 00:20:05.700 - the perspective of 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:12.540 - You know, which of these areas can the city make big moves in putting influxes of cash into? 00:20:12.540 --> 00:20:18.580 - Yeah, that's an interesting thing to differentiate 00:20:18.580 --> 00:20:24.380 - Councilmember rough do you want to go or do you want me to go? 00:20:24.380 --> 00:20:33.500 - You know, I agree with everybody's very hard to rank these I didn't really have a success doing it 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:34.500 - and they are so 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:36.740 - inner 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:42.420 - You know, they're also interconnected. I'm at like councilman Flaherty's comment and councilmember 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:42.620 - sorry 00:20:42.620 --> 00:20:47.700 - I think also suggested look, you know, we're looking at the ones the areas where 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:53.100 - We've come up shortest and in other words if they're all relatively equally important 00:20:53.100 --> 00:20:56.480 - but some we may be doing better than other areas, which is 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:01.620 - Where we would want to start to maybe focus on where we can make the biggest difference. I think as 00:21:01.620 --> 00:21:02.820 - customer 30 00:21:02.820 --> 00:21:05.380 - suggested but to me 00:21:05.540 --> 00:21:09.740 - And I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but this this idea the high-performing government, 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:10.300 - right? 00:21:10.300 --> 00:21:14.580 - That's the delivery of government services and that's what really is fundamentally about 00:21:14.580 --> 00:21:17.540 - so I 00:21:17.540 --> 00:21:22.860 - You know a lot of this falls under to me this idea of a high-performing 00:21:22.860 --> 00:21:27.020 - government, that's what that's what people look to us for and 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:29.620 - That's what? 00:21:29.620 --> 00:21:32.380 - You know business looks to have secure 00:21:33.220 --> 00:21:37.380 - Something that can rely on a high-performing government to make investment in the community 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:42.460 - And so looking at areas where maybe we're not as high-performing 00:21:42.460 --> 00:21:48.940 - Whether it's things like street maintenance of the streets, you know, I'm interested in 00:21:48.940 --> 00:21:53.420 - Possibly the idea of bringing back the leaf pickup program for example 00:21:53.420 --> 00:21:59.220 - Sort of basic some basic services. Anyway, that that was my only real comment. So thank you for 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:00.540 - giving me an opportunity 00:22:02.540 --> 00:22:07.230 - Thanks, I would like to put a pin in the leaf pickup thing too because that should be under a 00:22:07.230 --> 00:22:08.700 - specific budget item 00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:13.060 - Interest in the part two of the discussion. So I want to make sure that that gets put under there 00:22:13.060 --> 00:22:23.040 - I'll go ahead and share mine if I can find them 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:30.100 - So I also thought that they were really 00:22:31.620 --> 00:22:33.620 - Intersectional of course and I 00:22:33.620 --> 00:22:38.820 - kind of put my number one as neighborhood livability and social health kind of feeling like if 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:39.980 - people are 00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:42.940 - doing well and 00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:46.860 - There's livability and general social health then 00:22:46.860 --> 00:22:52.660 - That will start a ripple effect through lots of other things and so kind of like a 1 1a and a 1b 00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:53.820 - under that is 00:22:53.820 --> 00:22:58.180 - affordable housing and public safety because if we really want people if we want neighborhoods to 00:22:58.180 --> 00:22:59.820 - be livable and we want people to be 00:23:00.780 --> 00:23:02.780 - socially mentally healthy then 00:23:02.780 --> 00:23:07.180 - They need to have a place to live and they need to feel safe in that place 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:13.780 - And that encompasses I think both things like fire and police response, but also of councilmember Flaherty 00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:16.260 - you mentioned the I think it was you 00:23:16.260 --> 00:23:20.100 - transportation related or maybe it was councilmember Rosenberger I 00:23:20.100 --> 00:23:22.620 - Can't remember who mentioned it first now 00:23:22.620 --> 00:23:27.460 - Just in terms of safety and security. It's not all about policing or fire protection. It's also 00:23:27.460 --> 00:23:27.740 - about 00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:32.060 - Feeling safe to like go for a walk that you're not gonna get hit by a car or you know 00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:36.540 - Drive a car and you're not gonna get into an accident because people are driving well, so and the 00:23:36.540 --> 00:23:38.720 - roads are designed nicely. Um, and 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.380 - so then 00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:46.220 - if that was my number one with those two little caveats then 00:23:46.220 --> 00:23:51.600 - my number two was transportation and mobility partly because of how that ties into public safety 00:23:51.600 --> 00:23:52.860 - and 00:23:52.860 --> 00:23:56.860 - Livability in terms of being able to get to where you need to go 00:23:56.860 --> 00:23:59.700 - and then number three was economic health and jobs kind of 00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:04.900 - For what councilmember Asari said in terms of that trickle-down effect of like if people have jobs 00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:11.580 - Then they're more likely to be able to you know, go to the doctor and access other pieces 00:24:11.580 --> 00:24:17.260 - of the community and have stable housing and that kind of thing 00:24:17.260 --> 00:24:24.700 - So I 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:27.540 - Think right now just to help out the Fiscal Committee 00:24:27.540 --> 00:24:36.660 - What did people here were were areas that we had in common if we had to do a top three 00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:40.900 - for all of council what did council members here that 00:24:40.900 --> 00:24:49.360 - That we all had in common I'm gonna make you guys think so the Fiscal Committee has some help next 00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:49.920 - week 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.980 - Housing 00:24:54.620 --> 00:24:56.620 - Does everybody agree with that 00:24:56.620 --> 00:25:00.580 - Yes, does anybody not agree with that 00:25:00.580 --> 00:25:10.170 - I don't think that I necessarily said to rank but just try to do like three that that everybody 00:25:10.170 --> 00:25:11.280 - kind of agreed with 00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:20.210 - I neglected to mention one that I added myself. Can I just throw this out? Yeah basic 00:25:20.210 --> 00:25:22.540 - infrastructure. That is 00:25:23.900 --> 00:25:31.520 - Road paving stormwater sidewalks thinks that it's up to us to deliver to the to the public 00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:36.760 - But I know I'm fine with housing being as one of the top priorities 00:25:36.760 --> 00:25:40.940 - We can talk about what type of housing later 00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:44.900 - Yeah, I also I want to put a pin in the basic infrastructure too 00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:50.040 - Because I kind of thought of that under specific budget things in terms of 00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:56.100 - Maintenance, so let's make sure that that gets brought up again, too. So generally speaking though 00:25:56.100 --> 00:25:58.820 - We agree that housing should go 00:25:58.820 --> 00:26:01.420 - Maybe on the list. I 00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:04.020 - do want to ask though 00:26:04.020 --> 00:26:06.260 - what we think in terms of 00:26:06.260 --> 00:26:11.780 - What was mentioned already that difference between like 00:26:11.780 --> 00:26:16.940 - Investing dollars 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:21.000 - versus like legislated legislation and 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:27.600 - If we could talk about that in context of housing maybe for just a minute in terms of like 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:30.740 - and I also think maybe it's helpful to 00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:36.520 - To councilman Flaherty's point that I mean at the moment. This is like we said, I mean, it's a 00:26:36.520 --> 00:26:36.940 - little arbitrary 00:26:36.940 --> 00:26:40.300 - prioritizing them per se I mean as 00:26:42.100 --> 00:26:48.600 - And councilman Rosenberger was just saying some good things. You should say them feel welcome to 00:26:48.600 --> 00:26:49.420 - but the 00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:53.940 - you know, maybe we want to cycle back to the question of 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:59.390 - Ranking and prioritization as we talked through about specific things. We want to see in the budget 00:26:59.390 --> 00:27:00.300 - pertinent to this 00:27:00.300 --> 00:27:06.840 - Because I mean to your point it's like if there are things we can fund for to improve affordable 00:27:06.840 --> 00:27:07.260 - housing 00:27:08.060 --> 00:27:13.910 - And that is our priority already in the general sense. It's there's like there's a conversation of 00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:15.060 - like what our general priorities 00:27:15.060 --> 00:27:19.280 - Comprehensive plans and things like that. But then there's also the question of like what's our 00:27:19.280 --> 00:27:21.300 - priority for this budget specifically? 00:27:21.300 --> 00:27:28.180 - Comes Barbara Rosenberger, did you want to share something? 00:27:34.700 --> 00:27:39.220 - I was just there was a question on this end that about 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:44.700 - How could we fund afford like what could we fund in terms of affordable housing and housing affordability? 00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:48.060 - So I just like shot out some ideas, but I don't know that it's time, you know 00:27:48.060 --> 00:27:54.980 - Like one example was just 00:27:54.980 --> 00:27:59.900 - Like incentivizing like some kind of program like down payment assistance 00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:04.940 - but for small developers who are maybe wanting to build like 10 unit apartment buildings or 00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:09.100 - you know a 10 unit apartment building that is affordable and so like 00:28:09.100 --> 00:28:10.860 - incentivizing 00:28:10.860 --> 00:28:15.460 - The types of housing we want to see that we're not seeing because it's not financially feasible 00:28:15.460 --> 00:28:16.740 - basically right now 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:23.820 - Of course, the other part would be opening that up in the UDO so that people can build them as well 00:28:23.820 --> 00:28:25.820 - You 00:28:25.820 --> 00:28:33.860 - Talked you have something down. Yeah, I mean I mean for I mean for that matter though 00:28:33.860 --> 00:28:38.270 - I think what's pertinent to a lot of recent conversation that we've had it's that you know at the 00:28:38.270 --> 00:28:38.580 - end of 00:28:38.580 --> 00:28:42.620 - At the end of last budget session when planning was here the conversation 00:28:42.620 --> 00:28:48.620 - Directly was are we going to what what what are we doing in this budget to move towards a form-based 00:28:48.620 --> 00:28:48.940 - UDO? 00:28:48.940 --> 00:28:50.940 - And they said well, we'll put that in next year's budget 00:28:51.540 --> 00:28:56.690 - As as as an example of another thing we can find there should be prioritized if if that's the 00:28:56.690 --> 00:28:57.960 - direction we're trying to take 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:06.580 - Other thoughts on housing as something that we had in common 00:29:06.580 --> 00:29:10.780 - Councilmember all oh 00:29:10.780 --> 00:29:12.660 - Yes, I think 00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:18.860 - Housing generally or an agreement type of housing. I think maybe we differ. I don't know 00:29:19.780 --> 00:29:23.900 - But that's something we need to discuss some of its policy related 00:29:23.900 --> 00:29:27.740 - I've wondered for a long time a lot of this 00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:31.740 - owner occupied potential single-family homes 00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:38.060 - Are now occupied by Airbnb something to the order of 900. I know West Lafayette has 00:29:38.060 --> 00:29:46.400 - Code that prohibits or caps it at least I don't know if that's possible still 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.340 - I 00:29:48.340 --> 00:29:49.620 - think 00:29:49.620 --> 00:29:54.740 - You know, we're apartment rich community, but we're a owner occupied poor community 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:57.740 - so the type of housing really does matter and 00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:03.740 - I'm interested in all types that could be owner occupied and I'm certainly versed to 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.380 - Policy that would remove 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:11.500 - Affordable 00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:17.460 - Single-family or owner occupied homes from the market. So these there's more to say 00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.460 - I mean in terms of investment 00:30:19.460 --> 00:30:24.640 - I would be interested in bonding for a land bank in order to 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:30.560 - Provide space that we could dictate the type of housing that we need for the community things like 00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:30.860 - that 00:30:30.860 --> 00:30:34.580 - It's been discussed before Councilman Flaherty's mentioned it. So I think there are points of 00:30:34.580 --> 00:30:36.420 - agreement. There are points of difference 00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:40.340 - But I think I've said enough so 00:30:41.580 --> 00:30:46.260 - As a follow-up to that, how does that relate to the summit land trust or are you kind of talking 00:30:46.260 --> 00:30:47.420 - about types of things? 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:49.420 - Like the summit land trust as being something 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:52.000 - That you would be interested in 00:30:52.000 --> 00:31:00.540 - You said that you were interested in bonding for a land bank 00:31:00.540 --> 00:31:07.260 - And my follow-up question to that was like how is that like or different from the summit land trust? 00:31:07.260 --> 00:31:10.040 - and so is it really that you're like interested in 00:31:10.520 --> 00:31:12.520 - in 00:31:12.520 --> 00:31:19.480 - Providing more support to that land trust movement. Yes, I think that would be one one way to go 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:26.760 - I don't know exactly what types of control that we actually have. I think I need to 00:31:26.760 --> 00:31:30.800 - Review that but the point is is that 00:31:30.800 --> 00:31:38.650 - the market doesn't seem to be delivering the the type of housing that is in demand and the housing 00:31:38.650 --> 00:31:39.480 - study of 00:31:40.320 --> 00:31:41.520 - 2019 00:31:41.520 --> 00:31:49.140 - Indicated that that's what people wanted was to purchase and build equity in homes rather than rent 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.060 - because people are trapped in a rent trap and 00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:55.120 - Then there's much more to say about 00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:57.880 - rental housing in this community, too 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:04.800 - Whether or not these large structures are even fully occupied I understand that they're not 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.440 - Anyhow, so sorry to Terry on that 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:17.460 - But I do think I mean, I'm sorry go for it like 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:21.840 - It's it's this tension here. I think that's getting at the the main point 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:27.840 - I mean if the if the core question is what is it that we want to see reflected in this budget? 00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:33.020 - In terms of areas that we'd really like to see funded 00:32:33.020 --> 00:32:35.840 - I 00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:37.960 - Feel like a lot of yeah 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.720 - I mean the most most a lot of those things are in the policy realm, right and so 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:50.470 - How do we hone out like how do we tease out the things that we actually want to get funded in each 00:32:50.470 --> 00:32:51.520 - of these areas? 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:06.950 - So anybody else have anything that they want to add about housing as an area of commonality councilmember 00:33:06.950 --> 00:33:08.000 - Piedmont Smith 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.720 - Well, I just don't want to leave out the other part of that which is homelessness 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.680 - housing and homelessness, I 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:19.720 - mean, I guess 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.440 - there's there's been a long long-standing tension between 00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:33.900 - Addressing homeless people helping people who are unhoused now and using funds for that 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:38.100 - versus building solutions so that eventually we'll have 00:33:38.100 --> 00:33:41.220 - Hardly any unhoused people at all 00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:46.260 - And I think both are important I mean I 00:33:46.260 --> 00:33:52.770 - But I I don't want to lose sight of you know, we need to make sure nobody dies homeless on our 00:33:52.770 --> 00:33:53.240 - streets 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.240 - I 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:01.830 - Do think it might be worth splitting those two just because they do require two very different 00:34:01.830 --> 00:34:03.280 - things and 00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:10.640 - Funding for one looks very different than funding for the other even if they are intertwined 00:34:10.640 --> 00:34:18.200 - Well as a follow-up on that I 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:25.280 - Mean we have it as affordable housing and homelessness and even if we split those then it's 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:26.520 - affordable housing 00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:31.040 - Which is maybe different from just housing 00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:40.360 - So is it that we have housing in common or that we have affordable housing in common 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.800 - Well, right 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.800 - You 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:58.040 - Well that that may come out in further 00:34:58.040 --> 00:35:00.600 - Talking about what? 00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:06.760 - Councilmember Osari said as far as where do we actually want to spend money in 2026? 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.920 - So that might be teased out a little more when we get to that level 00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:16.320 - Members Oh, I'll just point out that in different 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.760 - community engagement events with 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.280 - Different 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.940 - organizations who work with who work closely with the unhoused a lot of what we've talked about is 00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:28.220 - that 00:35:28.220 --> 00:35:35.440 - four to eight hundred dollar a month gap that's really missing in the zero to four hundred as 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.600 - well and 00:35:37.600 --> 00:35:43.360 - There are units available that are just going for way higher than then 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:49.790 - Really the majority of people in Bloomington can afford and so I would say it's not a housing 00:35:49.790 --> 00:35:50.480 - problem 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.480 - It is an affordable housing problem 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:58.440 - Other thoughts on the housing that we had in common 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:06.790 - All right, what else did anybody hear that there was also I think transportation came up in almost 00:36:06.790 --> 00:36:07.360 - all of our 00:36:07.600 --> 00:36:10.200 - And what do we call it transportation and mobility? 00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:19.050 - All right, does everybody agree or does anybody disagree about putting transportation and mobility 00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:20.280 - as a priority 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:30.300 - Can I have a question I ask a question so are we ranking all of those 00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:36.480 - Are they all going to be prioritized to some degree or are we just choosing a subset? How is this? 00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:38.960 - I think right now. This is kind of a thought exercise 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:45.640 - And I would actually suggest on that point like maybe we should move on and cycle back to the 00:36:45.640 --> 00:36:47.600 - question of you know with 00:36:47.600 --> 00:36:50.360 - because I think when we talk about specifics as 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.610 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith said I think it will help it will help tease out it'll answer for 00:36:55.610 --> 00:36:57.240 - itself this question. I 00:36:57.240 --> 00:37:04.560 - Agree, I think we may have different things in mind regarding these topics and 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:11.840 - By informing each other one might rise above another or fall relative to each other 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.800 - So maybe we should proceed in that way 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:30.000 - So we want to move on to the next stage in my 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.480 - Facilitation which is discussion of specific budget items 00:37:34.120 --> 00:37:36.640 - Because that does I mean it it could play in 00:37:36.640 --> 00:37:39.760 - We've already kind of been talking about that a little bit 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.440 - Well, if we do that, why don't we 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:50.180 - Stick with the transportation and mobility the council members already cited that we have in common 00:37:50.180 --> 00:37:50.520 - and 00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:57.160 - Does anybody have any specific budget items that they were interested in related to transportation 00:37:57.160 --> 00:37:58.000 - and mobility? 00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:06.680 - Downtown circulator. I would like to see us fund a downtown circulator 00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:10.200 - Okay 00:38:10.200 --> 00:38:21.140 - All right, so we have a downtown circulator on the 00:38:21.140 --> 00:38:27.480 - On the list of things that people want to fund 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.160 - Related to transportation. Are there other things related to transportation? 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:42.800 - I'll say this and I mean I know that I mean that's open up to this conversation. We have a 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.800 - transportation plan. So, you know 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:52.040 - Let's how about how about transportation plan be in the budget? 00:39:00.720 --> 00:39:02.720 - Did anybody 00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:08.230 - Does anybody want to cite specific pieces of the transportation plan that they want to councilmember 00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:10.400 - Flaherty? Yeah a 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:17.340 - Number of these areas we're not starting from whole cloth. We do have plans policies 00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:19.960 - goals in place already 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:24.520 - The transportation plan and the safety action plan under safe streets for all both should be 00:39:24.520 --> 00:39:26.240 - guiding transportation decision-making 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.880 - In implementation we had a high priority network that we have not finished building out the 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:33.640 - timeline for which ends this year 00:39:33.640 --> 00:39:39.320 - So we did relatively well, maybe 70 80 percent but failed to fully implement the priority network 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:46.730 - Established in the transportation plan so continuing to fund that and or updating that and funding 00:39:46.730 --> 00:39:48.600 - an update that might be 00:39:48.600 --> 00:39:54.500 - More informed by the safe streets for all safety action plan would be one approach 00:39:54.720 --> 00:40:00.080 - we've also chronically underfunded sidewalks for I don't know decades and 00:40:00.080 --> 00:40:05.920 - Pushed for more funding secured a very small amount of increased funding this year in the council 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.080 - sidewalk budget 00:40:07.080 --> 00:40:13.440 - Sidewalk committee budget of 500k that's still almost nothing relative to the needs and relative to 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.600 - what our stated values and goals are 00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:21.080 - So I think we need to see considerable increases in funding across it. I think of it in multiple 00:40:21.080 --> 00:40:21.600 - buckets 00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:23.840 - This is kind of evolved over time. I think of sidewalks 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.480 - I think of multi-use paths which serve both pedestrians and wheeled mobility users 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.720 - I think of protected bicycle infrastructure and increasingly I've been thinking about intersection 00:40:31.720 --> 00:40:34.920 - treatments as well. So shorter crossing distances 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:39.800 - Accessibility curb ramps. Those are kind of distinct from any of those other buckets 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:47.320 - So again multi-use path protective bicycle infrastructure sidewalks and intersections and we really 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:47.920 - need 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.080 - Annual capital funding for these things. I mean we had a discussion last year about 00:40:53.120 --> 00:40:54.920 - You know 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.370 - bonding for capital expenditures, which is which is all well and good, but when it's a recurring 00:40:59.370 --> 00:41:00.880 - need and it's it's needed annually 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.660 - More or less in perpetuity or at least for decades before we're gonna, you know dig ourselves out 00:41:05.660 --> 00:41:06.240 - of the hole 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:09.200 - Or possibly achieve our vision zero goals 00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:14.170 - I think the general budget is a perfectly appropriate place for for this type of capital 00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:14.760 - expenditure 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.800 - That's going to be recurring it would allow a level of planning and implementation that we simply 00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:18.880 - haven't been able to achieve 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.120 - I 00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:25.560 - Mean, we'll see what's possible. I think eight million dollars is a figure that is reasonable 00:41:25.560 --> 00:41:27.520 - relative to the ambition and goals 00:41:27.520 --> 00:41:29.680 - We have again to eliminate deaths on our streets 00:41:29.680 --> 00:41:32.600 - and 00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:36.960 - You know relative to the progress we've been able to make so far 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:41.750 - I tried to get into the numbers a little bit last year with the city engineer and actually assess 00:41:41.750 --> 00:41:42.840 - the capital outlay 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.960 - Remaining to implement some of these things on the timelines 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.280 - We said we were going to and then estimating what the local match would need to be 00:41:49.640 --> 00:41:53.250 - Assuming we're gonna be leveraging MPO dollars and everything else that we do to the maximum, you 00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:54.380 - know ability to 00:41:54.380 --> 00:41:56.960 - The maximum we can max we can 00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.840 - So I don't know those are those are some of the things informing my thinking on it 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.200 - The different categories of things we need to be investing in for a complete streets approach, 00:42:06.200 --> 00:42:07.780 - which is what our city policy is 00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:10.480 - and to 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.360 - Essentially make progress on our vision zero goal 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.560 - Like that is going to require a pretty radical shift in how we think about and fund infrastructure 00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:17.920 - if we're serious about it 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.800 - Second 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:25.920 - Can I ask you a follow-up on that real quick you threw out that eight million dollar number 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.730 - Is that what you think probably needs to be spent like per year right now on that kind of 00:42:30.730 --> 00:42:32.000 - infrastructure? 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.800 - like generally speaking in an ongoing way or until we catch up or 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:41.680 - Was that just kind of a no, I think I mentioned four buckets 00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:44.880 - You could think of that as maybe approximately two million two million in each bucket 00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:49.600 - That would maybe equate to something like 60/40 in favor of 00:42:49.600 --> 00:42:54.590 - Pedestrians over wheeled mobility users in terms of like who's the primary beneficiary in each of 00:42:54.590 --> 00:42:56.000 - those different buckets 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:00.710 - Two million would be four times the the council sidewalk budget right now for sidewalks 00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:01.780 - specifically for instance 00:43:01.780 --> 00:43:05.800 - It would allow us to actually start addressing things like the South Walnut Street Pike 00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.760 - Missing sidewalk where a pedestrian was killed a couple years ago 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.800 - Lots of other sidewalk gaps like that in the community that we are not making progress on 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.880 - And so we need to plan to coordinate the action 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.880 - But yes, I think that's like a reasonable like achievable level. We could certainly spend more 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.200 - There's plenty more to you know to be done 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:27.960 - But I think if you sustain that level of investment over a couple of decades 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.960 - We would see real transformative change 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.840 - That's my brother I 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.600 - Think councilmember Rosenberger had her 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.170 - I was just gonna get a little more nitty-gritty and just how the climate action plan is and you can 00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:47.520 - just it's really I mean 00:43:47.520 --> 00:43:51.840 - I think it's quite fun and exciting to read our goals because when we look at the transportation 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.720 - part of the climate action plan 00:43:53.720 --> 00:43:55.720 - Just like it's you know 00:43:55.720 --> 00:44:02.520 - Increased transit utilization by ten percent over 2018 by 2030 00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:07.560 - increased shared mobility like carpooling by three percent of work commutes 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.120 - Encouraged density and increased housing options and affordability with the goal of increasing 00:44:12.120 --> 00:44:16.180 - gross density by three percent of 2018 values 00:44:16.180 --> 00:44:19.100 - That one isn't about cars. It's about housing 00:44:19.100 --> 00:44:22.280 - obviously 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.600 - But I'm just saying like so we have all these right we have these goals that it's great that we don't 00:44:26.600 --> 00:44:27.700 - like reinvent any wheels 00:44:27.700 --> 00:44:30.960 - unintended because 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:36.520 - Reduce reduce single occupancy automobile used by eight percent of 2018 values, right? 00:44:36.520 --> 00:44:40.440 - So all these climate action plan goals are also just so 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.160 - intertwined with our transportation 00:44:43.160 --> 00:44:47.160 - Outcome in itself, you know and safe streets for all 00:44:47.160 --> 00:44:55.320 - I also to some degree want to put a pin in that too 00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:01.800 - Or just note that that also relates to like the step three of specific outcomes of measurable 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.400 - results 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.620 - Because all of those things are also measurable results that you know, we want to see that come out 00:45:06.620 --> 00:45:07.360 - of those plans 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.360 - And now the climate action plan is kind of full of those 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:17.640 - Yeah, I wanted to mention that and these are interconnected as we said 00:45:17.640 --> 00:45:23.240 - but when I was thinking of an ask this year for basic infrastructure and 00:45:23.240 --> 00:45:27.140 - Mayor Thompson, I think alluded to it during the state of the city 00:45:27.140 --> 00:45:31.040 - It was to pave neglected streets 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:33.040 - I 00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:37.410 - Mean it doesn't do a bicyclist any good to hit a pothole. In fact, they're probably gonna be far 00:45:37.410 --> 00:45:37.720 - more damaged than a 00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:41.720 - car hitting a pothole. Well that might break you break an axle 00:45:41.720 --> 00:45:47.160 - I'm aware. I've been around long enough to know that 00:45:47.160 --> 00:45:51.360 - I've asked many many times public works 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:57.560 - What is the street paving schedule and I've been variably told that it's a 12-day paving schedule 00:45:58.080 --> 00:46:01.460 - And I've been variably told that it's a 20-year cycle 00:46:01.460 --> 00:46:06.650 - however, I know I've been here long enough to know that there are streets that haven't been paved 00:46:06.650 --> 00:46:07.620 - in 40 years and 00:46:07.620 --> 00:46:14.080 - They're crumbling and yet, you know, I hate to beat this horse 00:46:14.080 --> 00:46:18.020 - But if a greenway goes in where there's crumbling 00:46:18.020 --> 00:46:24.080 - Street I I think that that sends the wrong signal 00:46:24.080 --> 00:46:26.800 - Especially one that's not necessary 00:46:27.080 --> 00:46:29.080 - to the public and that is that 00:46:29.080 --> 00:46:35.520 - Our priorities are scrambled. So that's this is one of my top I think 00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:40.820 - Requests this year of the mayor of the administration is 00:46:40.820 --> 00:46:48.680 - The maintenance of our streets and can we get on it? Can we can we repair the the ones that are 00:46:48.680 --> 00:46:50.280 - most affected and 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.080 - Crumbling and then can we get on a 20-year cycle? 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.400 - Is that conceivable in and have some dedicated fund for that purpose? 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.060 - So it doesn't get neglected in the future 00:47:03.060 --> 00:47:09.880 - Thank you councilmember Piedmont Smith, I saw your hand up earlier does she wanna 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.760 - Okay 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:18.760 - Go for it comment councilmember Ruff I 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.160 - Wanted I appreciate that councilmember Flaherty's, you know 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.400 - obviously spent some time on the numbers and 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.100 - Coming up come out with some estimates of what? 00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:33.480 - Could oh the numbers of what the cost would be to 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.480 - increase 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.120 - progress in 00:47:37.120 --> 00:47:39.120 - the areas of transportation that 00:47:39.120 --> 00:47:46.040 - That he was talking about my question is for councilmember Flaherty because I'm interested in 00:47:46.040 --> 00:47:50.920 - Might be a relative to the cost of the actual capital investment. It might not be 00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:54.440 - As significant, but do you envision? 00:47:54.440 --> 00:48:00.800 - additional staffing in planning transportation and engineering would be 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.920 - necessary to 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:05.920 - Maintain sort of a have a year after year 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.840 - increase in 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.840 - dedicated 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:12.760 - Investment and 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.760 - progress in construction and 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.480 - development of the of the transportation that you see would it would probably require 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.520 - additional 00:48:22.520 --> 00:48:24.520 - folks 00:48:24.520 --> 00:48:28.200 - Madam president 00:48:28.200 --> 00:48:35.650 - Good question. I met with city engineering agency board this morning for a good period of time 00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:37.780 - talking about this and some other things 00:48:37.780 --> 00:48:42.600 - And we talked about that specific question. I think it's possible. Yes 00:48:42.600 --> 00:48:48.580 - I think cities that have taken their vision zero goal seriously tend to have vision zero positions 00:48:48.580 --> 00:48:51.420 - I a good friend of mine is the lead vision zero engineer for the city of Chicago 00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:55.620 - Formally city Seattle before that smaller communities also have these positions though 00:48:55.620 --> 00:49:00.830 - And so yeah, maybe something like that in the planning department ultimately would be needed and 00:49:00.830 --> 00:49:02.220 - then not on the engineering side 00:49:02.220 --> 00:49:07.370 - There are constraints that we run into relative to the ability to manage projects. Some of that can 00:49:07.370 --> 00:49:07.800 - be managed by 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:12.360 - Contracting out the projects, but they're still require a level of oversight and project management 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.960 - that I think can be a factor 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.280 - I 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.470 - Know they're trying to hire right now another traffic engineer position that should help with some 00:49:21.470 --> 00:49:21.800 - of that 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.680 - And I've had some other restructuring in the department to help 00:49:24.680 --> 00:49:32.680 - Reformulate positions and have them better suited to do that type of management. So I think some of 00:49:32.680 --> 00:49:34.380 - that's already in motion. I think 00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:39.300 - Also, yes, it's possible. This would warrant a position or two 00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:42.160 - Additionally possibly one in each department 00:49:42.160 --> 00:49:44.720 - If we're able to make those kind of commitments 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.480 - You 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:50.440 - Thank you other 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:57.060 - Specific funding proposals related to transportation before we move on to like other specific 00:49:57.060 --> 00:49:58.240 - funding things 00:49:58.240 --> 00:50:03.560 - Okay 00:50:03.560 --> 00:50:08.560 - Other specific funding things like at all like wait 00:50:08.560 --> 00:50:11.320 - I asked somebody to put a pin in something earlier and I don't remember what it was 00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:18.680 - Was it was it maybe it was councilmember Rallo with the maintenance and that already got in here 00:50:18.680 --> 00:50:22.840 - Yeah, you did 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.520 - We already talked about yours a little bit, yeah 00:50:26.520 --> 00:50:32.140 - Other specific councilmember Piedmont Smith 00:50:32.140 --> 00:50:38.940 - Yeah, I mean we've talked about housing as an overall issue that we all agree is important in one 00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:39.760 - way or another 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.520 - So I had 00:50:44.520 --> 00:50:45.720 - I 00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:51.640 - had an idea more specific idea for for that topic and that is 00:50:51.640 --> 00:50:57.960 - To fund a housing summit to discuss strategies with builders and funders of affordable housing 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:04.640 - So that would be the cost of the event the staff time the follow-up possibly 00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:08.680 - Consultant to 00:51:09.200 --> 00:51:14.500 - Either run such a summit or follow up with some kind of action plan 00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:21.300 - But I think that's long overdue. I mean we've had housing studies, but have we ever actually 00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:23.900 - invited people who build housing to these things? 00:51:23.900 --> 00:51:27.080 - Who fund affordable housing? 00:51:27.080 --> 00:51:31.440 - I think that would be a great first step 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:41.760 - I also think that we should maybe look into funding a potential change to the UDO. I've heard that 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.420 - there are some hesitancies in 00:51:43.420 --> 00:51:46.240 - terms of 00:51:46.240 --> 00:51:52.040 - Pursuing different UDO changes because it's so expensive and I think if we went into the next year 00:51:52.040 --> 00:51:53.720 - knowing that like this is a priority 00:51:53.720 --> 00:51:57.360 - For us that maybe some of those hesitancies would 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.440 - Be alleviated 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.520 - Yeah, I would like to concur with that I said it since last year 00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:13.840 - But also I mean it has played into decisions that we've made in the last several weeks even that 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.640 - that the 00:52:14.640 --> 00:52:19.390 - Potential of that happening. So I would be like absolutely. I would very much want to see that in 00:52:19.390 --> 00:52:20.480 - the in the budget 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:25.960 - What kind of funding do you think is needed for UDO changes? 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.690 - I mean last year last year, I think if somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think director Hiddle 00:52:30.690 --> 00:52:31.080 - said 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.840 - something to the extent of 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.000 - $300,000 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:45.790 - To do what exactly I think to get consultants to actually start the the process instead of you know 00:52:45.790 --> 00:52:46.920 - instead of this like 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.280 - changing around the edges, but actually 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:56.840 - Starting okay, so it's like the full sort of yeah proposal. Okay, I 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.080 - Don't think that sort of ends in one year, but it to start that process. I think that 00:53:02.080 --> 00:53:11.120 - Okay, um, I want to thank the 00:53:11.120 --> 00:53:16.520 - Community member who just texted me and reminded me that leaf pickup was what a pin got put in 00:53:16.520 --> 00:53:18.420 - earlier from councilmember ruff 00:53:18.420 --> 00:53:27.200 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith 00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:29.720 - Yeah, I mean I think that 00:53:29.720 --> 00:53:34.520 - The idea of overhauling the UDO 00:53:34.520 --> 00:53:39.120 - Has some merit I 00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:44.720 - Think for the benefit of the public it and maybe for for colleagues as well 00:53:44.720 --> 00:53:49.080 - I would like to hear what you mean by that and why that's going to be helpful 00:53:53.200 --> 00:54:00.480 - I can happily I mean, I mean the in short I think that we we need a form-based UDO 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.080 - rather than a Euclidean one, so I would be 00:54:05.080 --> 00:54:08.600 - Writing a form-based UDO 00:54:08.600 --> 00:54:16.580 - Okay, sure for the benefit of the public so Euclidean UDO starts with the you know, there's three 00:54:16.580 --> 00:54:18.760 - elements to planning right land use 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:25.710 - Management and and then form form-based UDO starts with form then does management then does land 00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:26.000 - use 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.360 - it's and you know to the question of why it's 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:36.160 - perhaps I mean one it's I mean, it's the direction that that 00:54:36.160 --> 00:54:39.040 - cities are moving in but I think the 00:54:39.040 --> 00:54:44.480 - the main reason why to say succinctly is that it allows us to 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.960 - To deal with I think the sort of snake of 00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.130 - Bloomington development, which is things like permitting the feedback that we've got from a lot of 00:54:54.130 --> 00:54:54.880 - developers 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.880 - I'm into the point of wanting to do a summit 00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:02.600 - Is that is that even though is it basically that our rules are quite complex here? 00:55:02.600 --> 00:55:04.120 - It's difficult to do business here 00:55:04.120 --> 00:55:08.100 - So it makes it a lot easier for developers makes it a lot easier for people wanting to be in the 00:55:08.100 --> 00:55:08.680 - community 00:55:08.680 --> 00:55:10.680 - but it also then allows us the 00:55:10.680 --> 00:55:13.120 - capabilities of having the provisions to 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.920 - Keep certain characteristics that people might want while also allowing more housing to be built 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:29.770 - If I may just follow up I think that that would go well with a housing summit where we would have a 00:55:29.770 --> 00:55:31.000 - housing summit first 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.000 - and we would invite input from 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.600 - people who build housing and 00:55:35.600 --> 00:55:38.200 - people in the community who have 00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:42.480 - concerns as well as expertise in this area and 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:44.440 - that 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.440 - May well lead us to 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.620 - Some concrete things we would want to see in a UDO revision. I totally agree would agree. Yeah 00:55:52.620 --> 00:55:55.320 - As a follow-up 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.840 - Councilmember, sorry if you spoken with our planning department one-on-one about that concept 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.280 - Yes, and and also publicly in these meetings. Yes 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:12.080 - All right other specific 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.060 - Budget lines comes member Flaherty. Thank you 00:56:16.060 --> 00:56:21.760 - Yeah, I want to develop on the same thread I'd written in my list of specific proposals here 200 to 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.160 - 400,000 00:56:23.160 --> 00:56:26.840 - For contract work to create a plan to change the Unified Development Ordinance in line with the 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:27.840 - existing city policies 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:33.060 - Seeking to increase housing supply diversity of housing types and housing affordability both subsidized 00:56:33.060 --> 00:56:33.900 - and market rate 00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:37.920 - I think that could be a form-based code change 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:43.200 - I think getting clarity on that point and the buy-in from the administration is critical 00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:45.720 - because my recollection is that 00:56:45.720 --> 00:56:48.920 - I've been advocating a reform-based code for at least eight years 00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:53.400 - I think it was the approach we should have taken in 2019 when we updated the UDO 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:58.460 - We did not we have kind of a hybrid. We have some form-based elements, but it's still highly 00:56:58.460 --> 00:56:59.240 - segregated by 00:56:59.240 --> 00:57:02.120 - uses 00:57:02.120 --> 00:57:07.200 - My understanding from director Hittle when he spoke on this last year was that 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:14.800 - It felt early or premature relative to the age of the UDO and when that was done to make a 00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.240 - large switch to a form-based code 00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:20.400 - And that that might be like five plus years out yet 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:26.400 - That's a really important thing to nail down with specificity specifically from the mayor 00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.360 - and 00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:33.120 - in writing if possible because there's been a lot of wiggle room and like kind of like 00:57:33.120 --> 00:57:36.520 - Shifting on what I've heard from the administration over time on some of these things 00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:38.520 - um 00:57:38.520 --> 00:57:43.560 - Various changes we've looked at worked with staff staff on that staff understands is good policy 00:57:43.560 --> 00:57:44.000 - experts 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.120 - Understand our good policy that they fully supported are things like adjusting lot size minimums to 00:57:49.120 --> 00:57:49.940 - accord with 00:57:49.940 --> 00:57:52.800 - existing form of neighborhoods 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:58.440 - existing adjusting setbacks to align with existing form of neighborhoods to have that control over 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.040 - the type of building that 00:58:00.040 --> 00:58:02.400 - Style of development what it looks like 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.800 - But at the same time to enable more modest housing to be built specifically in that case 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.400 - It would probably enable a lot of single-family owner occupied housing 00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.680 - But those are form-based changes that we can make and make progress on 00:58:15.680 --> 00:58:21.960 - In interim steps forward in the absence of a full-on commitment to an overhaul of the UDO 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.720 - starting next year and like 00:58:24.720 --> 00:58:28.960 - Repeatedly my understanding from staff was that we are not ready for that overhaul now 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:34.160 - We're hearing something different. And so I think getting clarity on that's really quite critical 00:58:34.160 --> 00:58:37.600 - as we talk about what budget expenditures could look like 00:58:37.600 --> 00:58:45.940 - I mean so so in the question and answers for for the budget 00:58:45.940 --> 00:58:50.280 - I wrote I'm intrigued by the possibility of moving towards a form-based code in the future 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:54.370 - Could you elaborate on the timeline the potential cost associated with this shift how this 00:58:54.370 --> 00:58:56.800 - transition improve the housing development outcomes? 00:58:57.200 --> 00:59:03.380 - And the answer was a transition to a true post Euclidean form-based code would require a full overhaul 00:59:03.380 --> 00:59:03.800 - of the UDO 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:08.320 - That would involve a relatively specialized ordinance rewrite and they said 300 to 500 K 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:14.080 - And a timeline of approximately 12 to 24 months. I mean, so this is in writing 00:59:14.080 --> 00:59:17.480 - Right, but but I agree, but but I agree 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:23.720 - I mean to the point I very much agree with what councilmember Flaherty is saying that that as as 00:59:24.120 --> 00:59:30.070 - Pertains to the budget and then and then the follow-on policy that that we may want to pursue or 00:59:30.070 --> 00:59:30.760 - not pursue 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:32.760 - I think that that 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.440 - Just echoing that comment that I think the the conversation has to be had and this is the time 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:38.640 - where we get to have this 00:59:38.640 --> 00:59:42.560 - Is is that actually a commitment and that's why we put money towards it, right? 00:59:42.560 --> 00:59:47.320 - So so that's the point that I'm making is that I mean if we're gonna put money towards it so that 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:47.940 - it happens 00:59:47.940 --> 00:59:50.200 - Is the way that I would view that? 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:56.680 - Actually ask a clarifying question from what yeah, sorry just quoted the 12 to 24 month timeline 00:59:56.680 --> 00:59:57.200 - that all makes sense 00:59:57.200 --> 01:00:02.200 - But did you did it say a starting time like when we would implement that or was that not part and 01:00:02.200 --> 01:00:03.120 - if you recall? 01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:08.320 - When during during the meeting that was one of I mean you have no reason to recall this, right? 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.200 - I mean we asked quadrillion questions over, you know two weeks 01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:17.780 - But I asked I asked during the meeting to director Hiddle that question specifically and and the 01:00:17.780 --> 01:00:18.720 - answer was 01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:22.180 - That we expect to put this in the budget for next year. So 01:00:22.180 --> 01:00:27.320 - So, I mean they're different, but yeah getting clarity on this point would be helpful. Thank you 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:33.410 - I've had a more recent conversation with him about that and I think the five-year timeline at least 01:00:33.410 --> 01:00:33.680 - is 01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:36.200 - is 01:00:36.200 --> 01:00:38.200 - includes things like 01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:40.280 - I 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.480 - think the one to two year timeline is literally like writing it as opposed to 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:50.790 - all of the public input and all of the community understanding and greater education about what 01:00:50.790 --> 01:00:52.440 - form-based code is and how it's different from 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.440 - what we have now and 01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.720 - That I think the actual writing of it is probably the easy part and the hard part is all of that 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:01.240 - other stuff 01:01:01.240 --> 01:01:03.240 - That is a little bit grayer 01:01:03.240 --> 01:01:07.600 - And would probably cost more in time than it would in money exactly 01:01:07.600 --> 01:01:11.880 - But that's why I asked earlier if you had talked to him about that directly recently because I've 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:13.520 - talked to him about that within the last 01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:15.240 - Yeah 01:01:15.240 --> 01:01:18.320 - But I do think I do think as as pertains to the budget, right? 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.600 - I mean the and and you know this tension that we're walking between 01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:26.000 - Policy changes and other priorities that we might have versus budgetary priorities 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:30.170 - I think that councilmember Flaherty's question is the guiding question and I think that the answer 01:01:30.170 --> 01:01:31.080 - to that determines 01:01:31.080 --> 01:01:34.160 - All of the answers to some of these other things that we're discussing 01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:40.200 - All right councilmember as murder 01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:46.760 - Thanks, I too would love to see a form-based code the idea of having a restaurant that looks like a 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:47.980 - house next door to my house 01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:50.600 - Is a dream I would say 01:01:50.600 --> 01:01:55.280 - So I don't have to cook things all the time and it smells good all the time in my backyard 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.600 - So that's very exciting 01:01:58.600 --> 01:02:04.080 - From recent conversations. I also have had with director Hiddle. I 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:11.680 - Was told kind of like a four to five to ten year timeline, which ten seems not not right 01:02:11.680 --> 01:02:15.080 - but four to five and then also that 01:02:15.080 --> 01:02:21.680 - in that in those five years that also like making updates to our current UDO our 01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:26.760 - Steps in the direction of a form-based code too. So as we allow more 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:34.360 - options in our zones that is getting people more ready for an entire form-based code because 01:02:34.720 --> 01:02:35.960 - I 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:41.510 - Think most people out there don't know what a form-based code is, which is you know, why why should 01:02:41.510 --> 01:02:42.520 - anyone and I? 01:02:42.520 --> 01:02:47.140 - Think there will be of course like some major pushback about the ideas of like what could go in 01:02:47.140 --> 01:02:48.120 - your neighborhood 01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:52.420 - If it looks like what is next door to it will be startling to some people 01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:58.620 - But so just a note to still encourage and say what I said in the beginning 01:02:58.620 --> 01:03:03.040 - To some of you that I want both and I want a form-based code and I want to make 01:03:03.640 --> 01:03:08.560 - Immediate changes to our UDO to help our housing supply problem 01:03:08.560 --> 01:03:13.920 - Could I say another specific thing may be moving on to more things on the list? 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.640 - Hang on to that just a second though because comes from repeat month Smith 01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:22.700 - Did you have a specific budget thing or did you want to add something on to the UDO conversation? I 01:03:22.700 --> 01:03:27.080 - Had another budget thing relating to housing. Okay, great then 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:33.840 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith, why don't you go with that and then we'll come back to you well 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:38.480 - We have to recognize that the federal landscape and support for affordable housing from the federal 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.880 - government is very different this year as it 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:44.760 - Than it was in the past and we have some very important 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:49.100 - Programs that are already funded by HUD that the city runs 01:03:49.100 --> 01:03:52.260 - like homeowner repair programs 01:03:52.260 --> 01:03:57.230 - Individual rental assistance down payment assistance. These are all going to face cuts from the 01:03:57.230 --> 01:03:58.360 - federal government 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:03.520 - And I think we need to spend some local money to keep these programs going 01:04:03.520 --> 01:04:08.540 - Because they keep people in their in their current affordable housing 01:04:08.540 --> 01:04:11.680 - So I'd like to see money 01:04:11.680 --> 01:04:14.160 - Go towards that 01:04:14.160 --> 01:04:16.440 - Great. Thank you 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.760 - Councilmember sorry, what was your on the on the train of housing? 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:28.160 - The question of permitting in this last year's budget we put money towards updated software 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:31.440 - That could then and then we did that interlocal agreement all those good things with the county 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:36.940 - I'd like to see us fund and I'll just for the sake of calling it something like a 01:04:36.940 --> 01:04:42.140 - Permitting concierge service or something like that or piloting something like that 01:04:42.140 --> 01:04:48.720 - Also funding updates to web presence web tools web-based tools 01:04:48.720 --> 01:04:51.680 - to facilitate 01:04:51.680 --> 01:04:55.920 - the permitting process I think both for building for 01:04:56.520 --> 01:04:58.520 - business creation 01:04:58.520 --> 01:05:01.800 - You know for art installation you name it 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:04.520 - Okay 01:05:04.520 --> 01:05:12.280 - Other specific budget things before we move on to our activity of what currently councilor Flaherty 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:12.460 - I 01:05:12.460 --> 01:05:17.040 - Had two other things so four things total one was 01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:20.440 - Just voicing support for 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:25.600 - Appropriate funding for the council office to function. Well, yep, you know 01:05:26.200 --> 01:05:28.340 - I think we're working through 01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:33.520 - Some potential reclassification of positions to allow us to competitively attract and retain staff, 01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:34.840 - which has been a challenge 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.440 - as well as 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:41.520 - Potentially the need for outside council, you know on retainer for some issues 01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:46.000 - We have unique questions unique needs as the city's legislative and fiscal body 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:51.520 - Sometimes there are interpretations from the corporation council that are very favorable to the 01:05:51.520 --> 01:05:52.720 - opinion of the mayor 01:05:52.720 --> 01:05:55.200 - But might be counter to the council's interests. We have a different 01:05:56.160 --> 01:05:59.120 - Set of interests and a different need to explore some of those things 01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:03.080 - Additionally, I think that type of funding need can extend into 01:06:03.080 --> 01:06:07.720 - Other types of contracted support beyond legal 01:06:07.720 --> 01:06:10.160 - potentially 01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:12.680 - You know, I think fiscal 01:06:12.680 --> 01:06:18.420 - Expertise has been mentioned previously again for for kind of consulting services or advisory 01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:20.560 - services to the council as well as 01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:26.020 - Even like public engagement support if we're going if we are going to try to lead 01:06:26.020 --> 01:06:28.800 - processes where the mayor 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:33.080 - Doesn't want to or is choosing not to but it's a priority to the council if we want to do that 01:06:33.080 --> 01:06:37.680 - Well, it we frankly can't do that with with the staffing we have and the expectations for council 01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:38.640 - members without it being 01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:41.600 - Simply unsustainable. So I think I 01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:47.070 - Wrote 200k. I don't know what that actually looks like. Maybe that's a high peg for like what would 01:06:47.070 --> 01:06:47.680 - be needed 01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:51.960 - But I think it is important to evolve our budget to reflect that so that's one 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:56.080 - I can say the second thing or I can go for it. Go for the second thing. The second thing was 01:06:56.080 --> 01:06:59.680 - Again, I put this at 200 to 400 K. Maybe it's high 01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:03.880 - But to integrate and operationalize equity in the whole of city government 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:09.360 - Including with deep community collaboration, especially equity and justice focused organizations 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.880 - and groups and with council involvement 01:07:14.080 --> 01:07:18.830 - Last year, we talked about the possibility of staffing for this. I've you know, and we've kind of 01:07:18.830 --> 01:07:19.720 - discussed it in two places 01:07:19.720 --> 01:07:21.520 - That was the budget 01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:25.530 - Conversations in which the administration said well, no, we need to take stock. We're not gonna 01:07:25.530 --> 01:07:26.880 - hire anybody. We want to take stock 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.480 - We agree. This is important. We're gonna look internally create a plan create a team, etc 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.400 - So that was the commitment at 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:38.280 - August of last year and then also the council's process committee looked at this 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.700 - I kind of led a survey review of leading cities and what they're doing as well as leading entities 01:07:42.700 --> 01:07:45.080 - like the government alliance and racial equity 01:07:45.080 --> 01:07:48.880 - and kind of there's a range of options from 01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.430 - You know framework development and tool development to use in the legislative and policy 01:07:53.430 --> 01:07:55.960 - development process budgeting, etc to 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.360 - staffing and resourcing to training 01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:02.840 - You know that we commit to on an ongoing basis. So there's a variety of options 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:08.640 - Out there, but it was clear in that survey because I also looked at our city policies and plans 01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:14.700 - That it's very scattershot. There's no unifying framework or holistic vision or even definitions of 01:08:14.700 --> 01:08:16.120 - what types of equity or justice 01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:20.520 - We're talking about it kind of barely appears in the in the comprehensive plan 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:24.880 - so I think if we're serious about those values and 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:30.920 - I think most of us are it takes again probably contracted support. We don't have 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:34.120 - To the extent that we do have staff expertise in house 01:08:34.120 --> 01:08:39.750 - It's not their primary job that you know, they're running departments or doing other things and 01:08:39.750 --> 01:08:40.840 - engage with the community 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.720 - So if we're serious about actually taking a whole of government approach to equity and policy 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:52.280 - Development community engagement, etc. I do think that will take a plan and dedicated support 01:08:52.280 --> 01:08:55.440 - And that was my ballpark of what it could look like 01:08:55.440 --> 01:08:58.400 - So that's my other item. Thank you 01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:00.840 - Thank you 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.660 - Before we we're gonna move on to the activity now, but I realized that I haven't said mine 01:09:05.660 --> 01:09:11.730 - Though it relates to some other things totally agree with councilmember Piedmont Smith about those 01:09:11.730 --> 01:09:14.220 - direct grants and assistant programs that support residents 01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:17.660 - I think they're really important and that we should figure out a way to fund those and if they're 01:09:17.660 --> 01:09:18.920 - not going to be federally funded then 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.820 - Then we should see if we can do that somehow in-house 01:09:22.820 --> 01:09:25.640 - and then I also agree with 01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:31.080 - Councilmember Rallo about 01:09:31.080 --> 01:09:36.360 - The maintenance stuff and I kind of have this question that that I need to ask our controller 01:09:36.360 --> 01:09:40.680 - like how much money do we actually spend right now on annual maintenance and 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:47.240 - Kind of like just to like keep things going at this like basic level of infrastructure 01:09:47.240 --> 01:09:49.760 - funding and 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.760 - then I 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:54.480 - Also think that we need to invest in a crosswalk plan 01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:57.600 - because 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:01.560 - And I've talked with us in planning before they're not all maintained 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:06.060 - There's not actually a plan for like how often they get repainted and there's so many crosswalks 01:10:06.060 --> 01:10:07.480 - all over town that you just can barely 01:10:07.480 --> 01:10:09.480 - even see anymore and 01:10:09.480 --> 01:10:14.130 - I've actually had constituents reach out about different locations that don't have crosswalks at 01:10:14.130 --> 01:10:15.340 - all that maybe need them 01:10:15.340 --> 01:10:22.070 - Because there is this implied thing like every corner in theory as a pedestrian you have the right 01:10:22.070 --> 01:10:22.600 - to cross 01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:28.720 - But I mean cars barely stop for crosswalks as it is. They're not gonna stop at corners that don't 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:29.760 - even have them 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:33.280 - And 01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:36.200 - This to some degree leads us 01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:38.920 - into 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:43.920 - This activity. So once again, I and I want council members to do it too if they want to 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:48.200 - Okay, there are post-it notes over on the council table 01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:52.370 - If somebody over there could hold up a pack of post-it notes and there's some pens so if you are in 01:10:52.370 --> 01:10:53.200 - chambers right now 01:10:53.200 --> 01:10:57.040 - You get to get up and move around and I want you to think about 01:10:57.040 --> 01:10:59.720 - programs activities 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:07.680 - Etc things that the city currently does right currently funds that matter to you personally 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:13.410 - That you utilize personally that that makes a big difference in your life or something that you 01:11:13.410 --> 01:11:13.720 - have 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:19.800 - Utilize an example. I'll give is we are giving like rebates essentially right now 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.720 - For electric bicycles for residents and at the state of the city 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.960 - There was actually a recipient of one of those who stood up and was like this has changed my life 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.600 - So sometimes those little things change people's lives 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:36.390 - So I want you to write that program or that activity or whatever it is, you know, it could be a 01:11:36.390 --> 01:11:36.840 - park program 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:40.120 - You could go coach basketball at Twin Lakes 01:11:40.120 --> 01:11:42.880 - and 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.640 - You know that matters to you a lot and your family a lot 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.880 - so I want you to write that down on a post-it note and I want you to put it under the 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.600 - budget 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:56.040 - Outcome area as 01:11:56.040 --> 01:12:00.240 - You know those those 12 areas that were defined earlier 01:12:00.240 --> 01:12:00.800 - Okay 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.680 - now if you're on zoom right now and you also want to participate in this I 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:09.240 - Would like you to if you can type a chat message to the host 01:12:09.480 --> 01:12:14.000 - Saying what your activity is and then in parentheses is what? 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:19.160 - What outcome area it belongs in so we're just gonna take maybe 10 01:12:19.160 --> 01:12:24.140 - 15 minutes move around the room a little bit and think of some of those very specific things that 01:12:24.140 --> 01:12:25.760 - the city currently does 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.400 - That really matters to you 01:12:27.400 --> 01:12:30.840 - And so if you're on zoom and you chat those things those will all end up getting 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.960 - Recorded and for the person who earlier mentioned is there gonna be a record of this? 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:39.780 - This is also something that will end up at the fiscal committee meeting next week 01:12:39.780 --> 01:12:51.680 - So thank you for that little break and move around and little bit of conversation and 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:56.790 - one of the things that I was thinking about as I was watching people in chambers put up post-it 01:12:56.790 --> 01:12:58.200 - notes as I was reflecting on 01:12:58.200 --> 01:13:01.800 - The places that didn't have any and reflecting on some 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:08.240 - Because the activity was supposed to be to think about things that the city already does 01:13:08.240 --> 01:13:14.140 - that you like and that you support and that you really want to keep or increase funding to and one 01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:14.960 - of the things that we 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.400 - Talked about earlier was that idea of? 01:13:17.400 --> 01:13:20.160 - identifying places where 01:13:20.160 --> 01:13:26.290 - That we think are important, but we are lacking in so that's that's kind of an interesting way to 01:13:26.290 --> 01:13:27.040 - use this too 01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:31.240 - It's not only to go like oh look at all the things that people love and the areas that we're doing 01:13:31.240 --> 01:13:32.080 - well in but also 01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:37.020 - What are some places that maybe we identified as important that don't? 01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:44.740 - Don't have as much in them and how can we do better at that? So it's kind of a two-pronged activity 01:13:44.740 --> 01:13:50.280 - So the last piece of our conversation tonight 01:13:50.280 --> 01:13:56.800 - Before we go to public comment and so I want to go to public comment no later than 815 01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:04.410 - is talking about some of those big broad goals of vision or policy direction and then also some of 01:14:04.410 --> 01:14:05.200 - those specific 01:14:05.200 --> 01:14:11.760 - Outcomes and I am gonna note again that one of those specific outcomes 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:16.760 - that councilmember Rosenberger already kind of said was she was 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:21.440 - reading some very specific measurable outcomes from the 01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:25.520 - from the climate action plan, and so I just want to note that that 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:27.720 - That 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.640 - We talked about that and 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:38.300 - Those are that needs to be a piece of what gets identified in terms of some of those specific 01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:39.960 - outcomes from our 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.440 - specific plans, so 01:14:42.440 --> 01:14:46.160 - Broad goals vision or policy direction 01:14:46.160 --> 01:14:52.560 - Specific outcomes measurable results. I think whoever wants to speak to either or both of those 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:53.040 - things 01:14:54.280 --> 01:14:56.280 - Councilmember Rallo 01:14:56.280 --> 01:15:00.680 - I'll just drill down on a couple specific budget items and 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:08.520 - So one is public safety related and this is 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:15.120 - To provide adequate fire response to the southwest quadrant of Bloomington 01:15:15.120 --> 01:15:19.280 - Since the 2002 growth policies plan 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:22.480 - we were to 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.760 - Build a fire station in that location 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:27.840 - We were 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:32.960 - Assured that we would have land from the summit development. So we have the land to do it 01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.240 - But we will probably need to bond for that 01:15:36.240 --> 01:15:42.520 - Fire station, but I think it's a high priority because the population has been growing 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.600 - Steadily and now it's going to explode in that area and 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.800 - already 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:50.800 - my understanding is that 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:53.680 - The fire department has difficulty 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:57.220 - Getting there with a response time that they would like 01:15:57.220 --> 01:15:59.920 - And I should say to that part 01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:03.440 - Extending into the county 01:16:03.440 --> 01:16:05.280 - so 01:16:05.280 --> 01:16:08.220 - So I think that's a that's a high priority for me 01:16:08.220 --> 01:16:12.160 - Another is 01:16:12.160 --> 01:16:19.700 - Yeah, so is that under broad goals then in terms of no, that's a specific budget item 01:16:20.360 --> 01:16:25.020 - Or it's a specific budget. It's not going to be in the budget per se, but it should be 01:16:25.020 --> 01:16:27.720 - Probably a bond that would be 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:32.790 - You know presented by the administration that we would okay. So you were adding something on to 01:16:32.790 --> 01:16:34.040 - what we talked about earlier 01:16:34.040 --> 01:16:38.320 - Yeah instead of yeah, I've covered the broad goals 01:16:38.320 --> 01:16:43.240 - So I thought it would just hit a couple of the specific budget items. Can I mention another? 01:16:43.240 --> 01:16:47.160 - Maybe two I 01:16:47.160 --> 01:16:49.160 - Don't have to cover everything. Well, we 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:54.160 - We had already talked about those and and you hadn't said it at the time, but go ahead 01:16:54.160 --> 01:16:58.120 - Yes, you just said specifics 01:16:58.120 --> 01:17:04.300 - No, I said broad goals and then and then measurable outcomes like the specific measurable results 01:17:04.300 --> 01:17:08.520 - All right. So but the broad goal is public safety 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.360 - the 01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:12.800 - specific 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:20.240 - Request is for a bond for a southwest fire station along tap road somewhere there in that area 01:17:20.240 --> 01:17:23.660 - Obviously the specific outcome it would be 01:17:23.660 --> 01:17:27.620 - To to to ensure 01:17:27.620 --> 01:17:32.400 - Response time 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:38.750 - Needed for that area and also anticipating another ten or twelve thousand people living in that 01:17:38.750 --> 01:17:40.780 - area with the summit development 01:17:40.940 --> 01:17:42.940 - I 01:17:42.940 --> 01:17:49.580 - Regarding I kind of mashed these together the equity and health and human services 01:17:49.580 --> 01:17:53.100 - as a broad goal 01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:55.460 - in 01:17:55.460 --> 01:17:57.740 - particularly as councilmember Piedmont Smith 01:17:57.740 --> 01:18:06.060 - Described which is that we need to prepare for not only potentially economic dislocation of people 01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:08.460 - But the lack of federal funding 01:18:09.100 --> 01:18:15.220 - Which has already been cut year by year CDBG block grants have been falling year by year 01:18:15.220 --> 01:18:19.420 - I put it on the remember I presented that a year or so ago 01:18:19.420 --> 01:18:22.500 - so 01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:26.540 - Understanding that that is coming. I think that we need to double Jack Hopkins 01:18:26.540 --> 01:18:29.500 - Spending 01:18:29.500 --> 01:18:31.100 - We're spending half a million now 01:18:31.100 --> 01:18:36.340 - We should spend a million and that would just put us where we used to be about 20 years ago 01:18:36.340 --> 01:18:40.220 - Frankly with federal and local social service spending 01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:44.520 - And obviously the you know this 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:51.020 - so that outcome would be it reestablishes social service spending from the past and 01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:55.860 - Then I'll just mention one last one 01:18:55.860 --> 01:19:00.860 - Since it we haven't talked about it. Well, we talked a little bit about sustainability and climate 01:19:00.860 --> 01:19:01.860 - change and so forth, but 01:19:01.860 --> 01:19:04.740 - specific to Bloomington 01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:06.980 - And this is an ever-growing problem 01:19:06.980 --> 01:19:10.340 - Reducing invasive plants 01:19:10.340 --> 01:19:12.660 - We have a code 01:19:12.660 --> 01:19:14.660 - It's supposed to be followed 01:19:14.660 --> 01:19:18.660 - The developers many of them some do many of them don't 01:19:18.660 --> 01:19:25.340 - Maybe they put in something that's a native. They maybe it fails. They put in fountain grass and 01:19:25.340 --> 01:19:27.020 - then it spreads everywhere 01:19:27.020 --> 01:19:32.740 - So those are propagules. It spreads from into the county into the environment 01:19:33.260 --> 01:19:40.500 - The only way that's going to be addressed is a specific budget item, which is to have higher one FTE 01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:41.700 - in planning 01:19:41.700 --> 01:19:46.340 - for non-native enforcement and education and 01:19:46.340 --> 01:19:51.140 - Obviously the outcome would be 01:19:51.140 --> 01:19:56.520 - That we would at least mitigate if not diminish 01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:00.140 - The invasive 01:20:01.660 --> 01:20:03.660 - I'll quit there 01:20:03.660 --> 01:20:06.540 - Talk about many more things, but I 01:20:06.540 --> 01:20:13.580 - Do want to say to all councilmembers if there's something that like you don't quite get to tonight 01:20:13.580 --> 01:20:14.740 - because there's only so much time 01:20:14.740 --> 01:20:21.180 - That we have this evening like please email that to myself and councilmember Piedmont Smith as a 01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:24.180 - chair of the fiscal 01:20:24.180 --> 01:20:29.660 - Committee so that then we can incorporate those comments next week councilmember Rosenberger 01:20:30.700 --> 01:20:32.700 - This is gonna be anything right? 01:20:32.700 --> 01:20:38.220 - Anything so I mean it's hard because again we have four 01:20:38.220 --> 01:20:44.300 - Big plans with tons of goals and metrics for measurement in them 01:20:44.300 --> 01:20:49.940 - I mean talking about climate action plan again. It's just really what I have on top right now. I 01:20:49.940 --> 01:20:56.180 - Guess I'm thinking too about what we've talked about in the budget before so 01:20:57.060 --> 01:21:02.780 - The this is the goal of increasing organics diversion by 40% of 2018 01:21:02.780 --> 01:21:09.470 - Values in our waste okay waste reduction. We don't even have a composting option for residents 01:21:09.470 --> 01:21:10.060 - anymore 01:21:10.060 --> 01:21:15.680 - We've never had it publicly a public service and now we don't have a private service, which I call 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:17.420 - it a very embarrassing thing 01:21:17.420 --> 01:21:25.580 - There are all these like sub plans like things to do food scraps bag pilot 01:21:26.580 --> 01:21:32.940 - Certification for businesses to go zero waste so some budget thoughts would be to stop subsidizing 01:21:32.940 --> 01:21:34.580 - our trash pickup 01:21:34.580 --> 01:21:40.640 - Because we do that. I think it's about a million a year and use this money to start composting 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:46.570 - Also look at a pay-as-you-throw program which helps people think more about what they're putting 01:21:46.570 --> 01:21:49.580 - into their trash cans and whether or not they want 01:21:49.580 --> 01:21:54.940 - to like consume less or put their can out less, right and 01:21:55.580 --> 01:21:59.020 - That might mean upgrading our system 01:21:59.020 --> 01:22:02.500 - I have no idea to keep track of each pickup because right now we do 01:22:02.500 --> 01:22:07.700 - I don't know that we do that, but I think all of our bins do have scan tags on them 01:22:07.700 --> 01:22:11.540 - That's a little thing 01:22:11.540 --> 01:22:20.060 - Thank you others broad goals specific outcomes measurable results 01:22:22.740 --> 01:22:25.400 - Councilmember councilmember, sorry 01:22:25.400 --> 01:22:33.530 - One one thing that I'd love to see is and this sort of falls in a lot of categories is some some at 01:22:33.530 --> 01:22:34.900 - least pilots around 01:22:34.900 --> 01:22:38.580 - Food security 01:22:38.580 --> 01:22:42.660 - So so I'll go through it with with that framework. I mean thinking 01:22:42.660 --> 01:22:49.820 - About neighborhood livability and social health. I'd like to see some type of funding 01:22:50.380 --> 01:22:55.780 - initiatives around community gardens mobile markets, perhaps meal delivery pantry partnerships 01:22:55.780 --> 01:23:01.200 - type of things with specific outcomes for example of 01:23:01.200 --> 01:23:07.640 - Increasing the number of households with access to fresh produce within walking distance by 25 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:08.280 - percent 01:23:08.280 --> 01:23:10.780 - That's an example 01:23:10.780 --> 01:23:15.820 - Or reducing in food and security rates. I don't know if we actually are measuring that but 01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:21.820 - In targeted neighborhoods like Crescent as an example by 15 percent or something like that 01:23:21.820 --> 01:23:24.460 - I think similarly under 01:23:24.460 --> 01:23:30.940 - I'll skip that one under like economic health 01:23:30.940 --> 01:23:37.520 - You know thinking about like food business microgrants is something I'd be interested in piloting 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:38.460 - and 01:23:38.460 --> 01:23:43.320 - Looking for example to increase the number of food based small businesses launched or expanded 01:23:43.320 --> 01:23:45.620 - next year by 01:23:45.620 --> 01:23:49.660 - X-percent, I think there's you know zero so increase would be maybe easier to measure 01:23:49.660 --> 01:23:56.450 - Or in increased gross sales at local farmers market at the farmers market by 25 percent something 01:23:56.450 --> 01:23:56.980 - like that 01:23:56.980 --> 01:24:03.440 - And I have others in other categories, but you know just I know we're short on time 01:24:03.440 --> 01:24:15.600 - Members do look I think it would be worth looking into how we could invest in how the city communicates 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:17.040 - With the rest of the community 01:24:17.040 --> 01:24:22.880 - There are quite a lot of really great programs at the city that when I go out and I talk to my 01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:23.240 - constituents 01:24:23.240 --> 01:24:30.300 - Like they don't know about and there's only so much that services that aren't being utilized can do 01:24:30.300 --> 01:24:31.920 - for our community 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.360 - so I think 01:24:34.360 --> 01:24:37.080 - It would be worth putting real money behind that so that 01:24:37.080 --> 01:24:41.980 - People could take advantage of the programs that we do currently have and then the programs that we've 01:24:41.980 --> 01:24:42.800 - talked about 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.960 - pursuing 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:50.240 - Thank you 01:24:50.240 --> 01:24:55.440 - Councilmember Flaherty sure 01:24:55.440 --> 01:25:01.960 - I had a little bit of hard time grappling with with some aspects of this. I think I 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:08.840 - Support the idea of outcomes based budgeting and holding ourselves accountable to outcomes. I think 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:10.820 - it's been mentioned. I mean 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:17.020 - We do have a variety of city plans that were developed with input of hundreds of residents informed 01:25:17.020 --> 01:25:17.960 - by expertise 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:20.200 - You know that set goals and outcomes 01:25:20.200 --> 01:25:24.470 - I think sometimes those aren't always the best goals like our comprehensive plan doesn't really 01:25:24.470 --> 01:25:26.440 - have like smart goals for instances of frameworks and 01:25:26.440 --> 01:25:29.610 - Everything's not always like the most measurable. I think there's some improvement that could 01:25:29.610 --> 01:25:32.980 - happen there. I'm a little wary of us like introducing 01:25:32.980 --> 01:25:36.260 - new outcomes or new metrics 01:25:37.240 --> 01:25:41.880 - Maybe if it's in the area where we don't have plans in place already, but it feels like 01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:45.000 - I'm not sure 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:49.540 - Council members just sort of like throwing out their own ideas here. It's like I don't know there's 01:25:49.540 --> 01:25:51.320 - limits to that and also like in a 01:25:51.320 --> 01:25:55.500 - We're sort of broadly talking about a theory of change of some kind 01:25:55.500 --> 01:25:57.840 - Another way to think about that 01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:02.750 - It's like a logic model that traces inputs to outcomes and impact and there's steps in between you 01:26:02.750 --> 01:26:03.680 - go from inputs 01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:09.760 - Which is the resourcing to activities and outputs that come before outcomes and and it 01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:14.740 - So I'm very familiar with those frameworks and like we're sort of missing the middle pieces here, 01:26:14.740 --> 01:26:18.060 - which is basically policy policy development implementation 01:26:18.060 --> 01:26:23.760 - Some level of outputs that might have indicators of their own that lead to outcomes. So like 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:24.320 - increased 01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:28.840 - miles of sidewalk for instance might lead to other outcomes like increased, you know 01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.480 - pedestrian mode share 01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:35.240 - Additionally, the other thing I'm worried about is like the time scales of some of these things 01:26:35.240 --> 01:26:37.420 - relative to like an annual budgeting cycle 01:26:37.420 --> 01:26:40.080 - and so I 01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:44.520 - Think we didn't do a great job necessarily in our comp plan of like tracking the most useful 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:48.960 - Indicators and in particular lead indicators not lag indicators 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:53.670 - So often we're measuring things on a lag that does that is too late to be actionable and kind of 01:26:53.670 --> 01:26:54.200 - just like 01:26:54.200 --> 01:26:56.440 - It's like did this happen or not? 01:26:56.440 --> 01:27:01.180 - But what we really want to lead is sorry what we really want to measure. I think are the outputs 01:27:01.180 --> 01:27:03.040 - and things that we produce 01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:08.100 - That will that based on evidence from other places will lead to the outcomes that we're looking for 01:27:08.100 --> 01:27:10.720 - and 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:12.720 - so I 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:14.720 - Don't know 01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:18.160 - And then and if so, I think like that's like that's the framework 01:27:18.160 --> 01:27:22.090 - I'm kind of bringing to this and it feels like we're I know we're just iterating on a process and 01:27:22.090 --> 01:27:22.800 - kind of like 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:24.880 - learning our way forward through doing 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:29.890 - But those are two things that kind of concerned me about I guess like how we're approaching this is 01:27:29.890 --> 01:27:31.920 - one like if it's too divorced from 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:37.840 - Existing city policy, which certainly had a lot more public input and buy in across branches of 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:39.340 - government here 01:27:39.340 --> 01:27:44.160 - then then like what we're starting with this process and then second is kind of like 01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:48.440 - Some of the some of the pieces that might be missing from the framework 01:27:48.440 --> 01:27:53.850 - So that's not you know, those aren't suggested that I mean zero deaths in our streets or one that I 01:27:53.850 --> 01:27:54.840 - mentioned earlier, right? 01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:58.460 - Like we could talk about like increase in housing starts for certain types of housing 01:27:58.460 --> 01:28:04.320 - You know that we'd like to see that our plans except so like there's there's progress to be made on 01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:04.560 - this 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:09.240 - But I don't know this feels a little divorced for me from like existing policy and plans 01:28:09.240 --> 01:28:14.160 - Sorry, I realize that's like not helpful it's just a reflection 01:28:14.160 --> 01:28:24.140 - I think everything everything you just said is so helpful. And I think the very I mean 01:28:24.620 --> 01:28:26.060 - That is I wish you know 01:28:26.060 --> 01:28:28.900 - I kind of wish we had got to that point earlier in the conversation, right? 01:28:28.900 --> 01:28:35.300 - Like I think that that's in my mind was the was the appropriate outcome of this conversation. It's 01:28:35.300 --> 01:28:35.760 - that 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:40.780 - You know, I think the the real like let's talk about the outcomes 01:28:40.780 --> 01:28:46.100 - We want with try to change this our budget process is to directly tie our 01:28:46.100 --> 01:28:52.790 - Our spending and our policy that follows two things that we've already got a lot of public input to 01:28:52.790 --> 01:28:53.860 - and and I think 01:28:53.900 --> 01:28:58.840 - So I wholeheartedly I think second what councilmember Flaherty said, I think that 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:02.480 - Yeah, I think I think you hit the nail on the head with that. I agree 01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:07.930 - Yeah, I would also say probably that a lot of the thing probably not all of the things we've talked 01:29:07.930 --> 01:29:08.900 - about tonight 01:29:08.900 --> 01:29:10.660 - but a lot of them 01:29:10.660 --> 01:29:15.150 - Were really familiar sounding to me from things that I've read in the comp plan when I read it and 01:29:15.150 --> 01:29:16.420 - just going like oh, yeah 01:29:16.420 --> 01:29:20.540 - Like we said we wanted to do this thing. How much money is being invested in it right now? 01:29:20.540 --> 01:29:24.660 - How much could we invest in it? And with some things I feel like even if we do invest 01:29:24.660 --> 01:29:30.450 - Money in it like that's not necessarily the solution that it needs like it doesn't necessarily need 01:29:30.450 --> 01:29:31.460 - money right now 01:29:31.460 --> 01:29:36.820 - I need something different and so I think teasing those things apart could be useful generally 01:29:36.820 --> 01:29:37.840 - speaking 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:47.660 - I'm not sure who I should go to right now because I had three people express interest in speaking 01:29:47.660 --> 01:29:49.920 - so councilmember Ruff 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:51.920 - quick 01:29:51.920 --> 01:30:01.680 - Your mics off the the high-performing government broad goal, you know 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:07.600 - so paying our city employees a commensurate 01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:14.510 - On par with other Midwestern peer cities. I just don't see how we can deliver a high-performing 01:30:14.510 --> 01:30:15.180 - government 01:30:15.180 --> 01:30:19.800 - If we aren't paying to get hyper to keep high-performing 01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:26.040 - Employees and you know the side benefit of that is we hope it would have a slight 01:30:26.040 --> 01:30:30.240 - upward pressure on general wages in the city the better we pay a 01:30:30.240 --> 01:30:35.660 - Fairly large employer like planning. So that's that's important to me. And then the last thing I'll 01:30:35.660 --> 01:30:36.680 - say real quick is 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:39.520 - Be interesting to do this exercise 01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:45.780 - Coming from the other perspective like everything we've talked about is going to require some 01:30:45.780 --> 01:30:46.640 - investment 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.940 - It's there's the wish kind of a wish list. Well, we're gonna need to raise taxes or 01:30:50.940 --> 01:30:55.740 - Cut reduce our investment in some other things. So we kind of interesting to have this kind of 01:30:55.740 --> 01:30:57.760 - discussion about where do we think? 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:03.440 - We would invest less or we would put less into anyway, that's all. Thank you 01:31:03.440 --> 01:31:11.760 - We have about two minutes before I want to go public comment councilmember Piedmont Smith 01:31:14.480 --> 01:31:18.960 - This is the last five minutes have been extremely interesting 01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:21.520 - what I 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:23.000 - wanted to mention 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:29.600 - From my list is something that we don't really have a community plan on and maybe we should I don't 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:29.980 - know 01:31:29.980 --> 01:31:34.760 - I think it it is something that kind of you know follows from other 01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:42.720 - Community values that have been stated but that's on the in the realm of public safety 01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:46.080 - And so I had two desired outcomes related to that 01:31:46.080 --> 01:31:52.520 - One was the increase the capacity of stride mobile community responder program to handle all nonviolent 01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:55.280 - mental health emergency calls through central 01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:57.280 - dispatch by the end of 01:31:57.280 --> 01:31:59.520 - 2027 and 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:01.320 - then 01:32:01.320 --> 01:32:07.540 - Following that decouple central dispatch from the BPD and trained dispatchers to send non-police 01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:13.660 - Community responder units to address mental health emergencies as appropriate by the end of 2028 01:32:13.660 --> 01:32:23.040 - Great councilmember Rosenberger, did you have one last thing to say before we go to public comment? 01:32:23.040 --> 01:32:26.360 - Okay 01:32:26.360 --> 01:32:28.680 - Councilmember Allah 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:30.720 - Very briefly 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.720 - great discussion I 01:32:33.200 --> 01:32:39.370 - When I was looking through priorities when I was looking at specific budget items, I was keeping in 01:32:39.370 --> 01:32:39.760 - mind 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:42.720 - where's the money coming from and 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:51.920 - I'm very very reticent to increase the Edie lit in very uncertain times for people 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:55.280 - Because unfortunately, it's a regressive tax 01:32:55.280 --> 01:32:58.940 - It seems to be the only thing available to us 01:32:58.940 --> 01:33:03.080 - So 01:33:03.120 --> 01:33:05.120 - I'm looking at 01:33:05.120 --> 01:33:07.280 - very I 01:33:07.280 --> 01:33:09.940 - Guess I was prioritizing in terms of maintenance 01:33:09.940 --> 01:33:12.520 - public safety 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:14.520 - common good items that 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:21.400 - Really need attention as priorities. I mean certainly there's a lot of things that could be funded 01:33:21.400 --> 01:33:30.020 - So anyway, that's something that we need to maybe curb our enthusiasm about some of these items 01:33:32.480 --> 01:33:34.480 - Thank you 01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:38.860 - With that let's go ahead and go to a period of public comment on 01:33:38.860 --> 01:33:46.960 - Budget 2026 on how the city spends money on whatever people out there want to talk about in terms 01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:47.440 - of budget 01:33:47.440 --> 01:33:51.000 - So if you are in council chambers, you can make your way to the podium 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.920 - You can sign in state your name for the record and then you'll have three minutes 01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:59.920 - If you're online you can raise your hand using the raise hand function 01:33:59.920 --> 01:34:06.360 - or you can send a chat message to the host and we do have somebody here in chambers who would like 01:34:06.360 --> 01:34:07.000 - to speak so 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:09.520 - When you're ready 01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:12.160 - You can go ahead and state your name 01:34:12.160 --> 01:34:17.480 - These things start a little earlier than I remember 01:34:17.480 --> 01:34:22.560 - From everything that you guys have talked about tonight it sounds like 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:28.890 - Government performance and how you deliver services is the thing that matters most to you from the 01:34:28.890 --> 01:34:31.320 - simple service of maintaining roadways to 01:34:31.320 --> 01:34:34.200 - Really just anything 01:34:34.200 --> 01:34:39.660 - housing is important and I feel like that's a separate issue entirely from people who are unhoused 01:34:39.660 --> 01:34:39.960 - and 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:43.360 - You guys will touch on that later 01:34:43.360 --> 01:34:48.040 - I imagine and hopefully I can be a little more engaged and I've been over the last 10 years 01:34:48.040 --> 01:34:51.680 - going forward as the city transitions to a 01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.960 - new age 01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.520 - Whatever it should be called here 01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:04.220 - Something that I have personally been affected by recently is something not many of you may be able 01:35:04.220 --> 01:35:05.460 - to elaborate on 01:35:05.460 --> 01:35:08.240 - As I drive uber part-time 01:35:08.240 --> 01:35:15.130 - The city recently decided that it should seasonally have a permanent closure of the Kirkwood and 01:35:15.130 --> 01:35:15.920 - corridors 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:19.840 - I think that's a fascinating idea and it has its place here 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.180 - However between the downtown and places 01:35:23.180 --> 01:35:25.960 - of the university 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:28.840 - There's an issue with getting around to pick up 01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:35.550 - The majority of the users are students, but I myself am also a user of uber on the weekends as it's 01:35:35.550 --> 01:35:36.700 - a lot 01:35:36.700 --> 01:35:38.700 - Wiser to not drink and drive 01:35:38.700 --> 01:35:43.840 - But in my thinking 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:49.720 - Having been asked to not stop and wait for a rider at the back end of the spia building 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.580 - And having to navigate now the downtown 01:35:53.580 --> 01:35:58.740 - Why could we not utilize some of the spaces with like bike lanes? 01:35:58.740 --> 01:36:01.720 - bus stops to have an 01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:04.640 - uber and Lyft 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:09.320 - Shared space so users can kind of have a common ground to come to you 01:36:09.320 --> 01:36:14.180 - I think also as they utilize the lime scooters. I don't know if that's even what they are anymore 01:36:14.180 --> 01:36:14.880 - around here 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.480 - I'd like to do those myself downtown 01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:19.980 - Just don't let me do it in Nashville, Tennessee 01:36:19.980 --> 01:36:22.320 - I 01:36:22.320 --> 01:36:28.070 - Think as those things continue to gain popularity and frequent use both from residents and from 01:36:28.070 --> 01:36:29.100 - students alike 01:36:29.100 --> 01:36:31.760 - Especially the lower-income who may not 01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:34.240 - May not get to use them every day 01:36:34.240 --> 01:36:38.560 - Just putting those pieces together and 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:44.560 - In a safe spot. I know we lost someone a couple years ago using a scooter 01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:50.210 - and again the the main street of town being Walnut Street is heavily trafficked over the weekends 01:36:50.210 --> 01:36:52.800 - with uber and Lyft drivers alike and 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:57.480 - Sometimes it's hard for drivers who are just trying to get through to get by and it makes it very 01:36:57.480 --> 01:36:57.880 - unsafe 01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:03.600 - So maybe having like I don't know ten cars length of distance for drivers to be able to stop 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:07.610 - I pay insurance to be an uber driver to drive people around so they get to where they need to go 01:37:07.610 --> 01:37:08.320 - safely and 01:37:08.320 --> 01:37:11.780 - I kind of expect the same for my driver. So thank you 01:37:14.080 --> 01:37:18.840 - Thank you for your comment are there other people in chambers who would wish to make a comment 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:25.420 - Go ahead and state your name for the record and you'll have three minutes 01:37:25.420 --> 01:37:31.300 - Good evening, madam president. I'm gonna write my name and say good evening at the same time 01:37:31.300 --> 01:37:34.000 - It's Christopher energy from the greater limited chamber of commerce 01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:41.320 - I'm gonna get out of my main soapbox. I have been which is sort of personnel costs, but to reader 01:37:41.320 --> 01:37:41.880 - it was 01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:46.520 - Councilmember Rallo said that you know money is tight 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:52.400 - we're heading through what looks to be could be a recession coming in with decreased revenue and 01:37:52.400 --> 01:38:00.900 - Decreased means of getting revenue with SP one and some other items that the state has before us 01:38:00.900 --> 01:38:07.250 - I want to sort of piggyback on a couple things that were said. I think councilmember Rosenberger 01:38:07.250 --> 01:38:08.440 - had the 01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:12.960 - statement early which is where does council make the biggest difference and 01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:18.280 - One of the things she says which I think was kind of a good one, which was housing 01:38:18.280 --> 01:38:23.440 - Well housing and sort of the unhoused are huge issues. Those are big lifts and what council can do 01:38:23.440 --> 01:38:26.280 - I think is to a varying degree is 01:38:26.280 --> 01:38:29.800 - is limited but having sort of 01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:32.640 - council actions that spur 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:38.400 - Economic development that spur investment from the from the private sector with its developers 01:38:38.440 --> 01:38:43.620 - That's something important to look at and I think councilmember Flaherty mentioned quite a bit on 01:38:43.620 --> 01:38:44.880 - what I 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:48.680 - Think was a good agreement with everyone and what does the city do? 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.280 - Well what it can do which is the mobility and transportation aspect 01:38:52.280 --> 01:38:56.160 - I think that investment in sidewalks and some other areas within 01:38:56.160 --> 01:38:59.500 - potholes and road maintenance is just the basic 01:38:59.500 --> 01:39:02.840 - essential services of government 01:39:04.280 --> 01:39:09.200 - We've talked about outcome based budgeting and I look back. I think that was I don't it was that 01:39:09.200 --> 01:39:13.840 - 2021 with the the lit increase that was 19 million dollars 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.920 - What have what is the outcomes on that particular? 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:22.540 - Tax increasing sort of look at specifically that we had them in buckets and different things within 01:39:22.540 --> 01:39:24.320 - the buckets and buckets within buckets 01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:29.360 - So I think that would be a good place to sort of look at from you know, from point a to point B 01:39:29.360 --> 01:39:31.960 - beginning and some of that and 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.960 - One thing that's come up a lot. We I did a parks 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:38.760 - focus group last week. Thank you 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:43.680 - Tim Street for that for putting that on and and one thing that from the group of business leaders 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:49.300 - We came up with which is a sort of overriding issue is asset management as parks has grown the need 01:39:49.300 --> 01:39:51.240 - for upkeep on that is great 01:39:51.240 --> 01:39:56.160 - What are we looking at on that and we have a lot of great wonderful, you know 01:39:56.160 --> 01:40:01.340 - Banneker Center and all of these parks I sort of went on my high horse on turf fields at Winslow 01:40:01.340 --> 01:40:02.440 - Field which are 01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:05.520 - Get flooding just by looking at the forecast 01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:10.860 - So we have a lot of work to do within that and that's not going into the Buzzkirk Theatre 01:40:10.860 --> 01:40:16.540 - The Waldron Center all these wonderful city assets that just need upkeep. We're only as good as 01:40:16.540 --> 01:40:16.920 - that 01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:22.490 - Those things quickly deteriorate with deferred maintenance only causes, you know a ripple effect as 01:40:22.490 --> 01:40:23.440 - far as that goes 01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:30.860 - Housing summit really like that idea and my time all of a sudden is up. But thank you for your time 01:40:30.860 --> 01:40:35.760 - Do we have anybody on zoom who would wish to make a comment? 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:42.420 - Okay, thank you, is there anybody else in chambers who would wish to make a comment 01:40:42.420 --> 01:40:48.360 - Come on up, please sign in state your name for the record and you'll have three minutes 01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.240 - My name is Gerard glom I teach economics at the University 01:40:57.240 --> 01:41:02.360 - But I'm speaking on my own behalf when I go to social functions when people ask me what to do 01:41:02.360 --> 01:41:08.640 - I say I'm an economist their response is supply and demand and then there's dead silence 01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:12.520 - Evidently people think economics is very very boring 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:18.680 - Ever since January 20 economics has gone up in the excitement scale through the roof 01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:22.160 - immigration cuts the Medicaid 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:24.520 - cuts the research 01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:26.640 - misinformation about vaccines 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:34.240 - Communicable diseases all of those are exciting economic issues. The problem is there's a lot of 01:41:34.240 --> 01:41:37.360 - misinformation bad information 01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:43.820 - Silly formulas that are used to fund policy to justify policy 01:41:43.820 --> 01:41:47.360 - So I guess my comments come under the hitting 01:41:49.280 --> 01:41:54.600 - Performing government because I'm going to make something available to all of you for free 01:41:54.600 --> 01:42:00.640 - You're all invited to Saturday afternoon 2 o'clock to come to the downtown library 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:07.990 - Professor Michael Hicks from Ball State will give a presentation on how terrorists influence jobs 01:42:07.990 --> 01:42:09.040 - for Hoosiers 01:42:09.040 --> 01:42:11.840 - I imagine you're part of Indiana 01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:18.640 - Terrorists will have a big impact on this community. So all of you your staff to write a community 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:20.440 - is invited to learn about 01:42:20.440 --> 01:42:28.040 - How tariffs might excellent influence the quality of our lives here in Bloomington, Monroe County 01:42:28.040 --> 01:42:29.720 - in the rest of this state 01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.320 - So again 2 o'clock 01:42:32.320 --> 01:42:34.880 - downtown library auditorium 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:39.560 - Professor Michael Hicks from all state. I hope you can all be there 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:43.880 - Yeah, that was this Saturday 01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:48.620 - Thank you for that comment next in chambers 01:42:48.620 --> 01:42:53.460 - Please sign in state your name for the record and you have three minutes 01:42:53.460 --> 01:43:03.920 - Steve Olin as a member of the 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:09.280 - Late lamented Parking Commission. One of the things that we had to do was 01:43:10.480 --> 01:43:12.480 - try to identify 01:43:12.480 --> 01:43:19.340 - Costs of parking across departments because even though there is now a parking services division 01:43:19.340 --> 01:43:22.280 - there is the 01:43:22.280 --> 01:43:29.240 - parking costs and revenues cut across multiple departments and so we asked for transaction level 01:43:29.240 --> 01:43:30.480 - registers of 01:43:30.480 --> 01:43:35.040 - Departmental budgets and there's an awful lot to learn in 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:41.240 - Doing so and I have to admit that as a council member doing regular business 01:43:41.240 --> 01:43:47.680 - It never occurred to me that it was worth my time to look at literal 01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.760 - every transaction in a department's 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:55.860 - Annual budget but it turned out that you can learn an awful lot from doing it 01:43:55.860 --> 01:43:59.200 - So the first thing I'd like to encourage you all since we are talking about 01:43:59.200 --> 01:44:02.600 - budgets here tonight is that you 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:11.210 - take adopt an apartment and ask the controller for every transaction they conducted in the last 01:44:11.210 --> 01:44:11.660 - year and 01:44:11.660 --> 01:44:14.720 - Just explore it with Excel 01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:22.000 - You're going to learn a lot, but I would go further and say that I don't think that's enough 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:26.120 - I think that it's time that council think about 01:44:26.120 --> 01:44:29.120 - literally auditing departments 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:36.710 - Part of the issue is that no matter what the esteem you hold a department head in or the the people 01:44:36.710 --> 01:44:38.000 - of a department in 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:43.140 - They may be unaware that they could be doing things more efficiently 01:44:43.140 --> 01:44:48.660 - You may be unaware that there is a department or a division that is wasting money 01:44:48.660 --> 01:44:55.460 - But you have no way to know it except through the administration. And so I would suggest that you 01:44:56.200 --> 01:45:01.960 - Seek to start putting money into you the council budget specifically to hire an outside auditor 01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:06.240 - to work on behalf of the council to do an independent audit of 01:45:06.240 --> 01:45:08.840 - departments over a period of time 01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:11.520 - maybe not all at once, but 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:18.320 - You know like no matter what you're going to learn an awful lot from the audit 01:45:18.320 --> 01:45:24.920 - An audit is not necessarily an effort to punish. It's a way to verify to understand to 01:45:25.320 --> 01:45:26.520 - you 01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:28.520 - Know to really dig into 01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:31.080 - the details of a given 01:45:31.080 --> 01:45:33.480 - department or division 01:45:33.480 --> 01:45:37.200 - But I've heard enough just tonight in the various 01:45:37.200 --> 01:45:43.320 - Areas that the council is concerned about that. I think that it's time that you think about 01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:49.810 - Adding money for an independent auditor to work on behalf of council to analyze how the city is 01:45:49.810 --> 01:45:51.280 - doing. Thank you 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:57.580 - Thank you, do we have anybody online who's raised their hand at this point 01:45:57.580 --> 01:46:03.590 - Okay, looks like we have another comment or in chambers. Go ahead and sign in state your name for 01:46:03.590 --> 01:46:03.920 - the record 01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:05.920 - And then you'll have up to three minutes 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.840 - Hi, I'm Greg Alexander 01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:15.530 - As you've heard me say we are missing sidewalks around the edge of the city pretty consistently you 01:46:15.530 --> 01:46:16.160 - get about 01:46:16.160 --> 01:46:20.160 - Quarter mile from the courthouse you start noticing little gaps and then you get a half mile 01:46:20.160 --> 01:46:24.080 - You notice big gaps in a mile and the network becomes just a few choices 01:46:24.080 --> 01:46:30.400 - That's not a coincidence providing basic city services to a low density population is not 01:46:30.400 --> 01:46:31.480 - financially plausible 01:46:31.480 --> 01:46:37.800 - They are in a city. They deserve basic city services, but aren't enough people living there to pay 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:40.320 - taxes to support things like sidewalks 01:46:40.320 --> 01:46:44.560 - So, you know 01:46:47.120 --> 01:46:52.860 - You get it from the other side too when you pay city staff you have to pay them a competitive wage 01:46:52.860 --> 01:46:54.860 - But really you have to pay them enough to live here 01:46:54.860 --> 01:46:57.800 - They have to be able to pay rent. They have to be able to pay a mortgage 01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.820 - They have to imagine that they could stay and actually buy a house 01:47:00.820 --> 01:47:06.650 - Housing is everything you do our wages are inflated because there isn't housing our tax burden is 01:47:06.650 --> 01:47:08.400 - inflated because there isn't housing 01:47:08.400 --> 01:47:11.760 - We need housing and then we can solve these financial problems 01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:18.250 - But the life and death of cities is housing and without enough housing to sustain the tax burden 01:47:18.250 --> 01:47:19.100 - that we have 01:47:19.100 --> 01:47:23.000 - We're only going to be able to overtax people and under deliver. Thank you 01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:31.200 - Thank you, is there anybody else in chambers who would like to make a comment about the budget 01:47:31.200 --> 01:47:33.620 - money finances economics 01:47:33.620 --> 01:47:37.600 - Did anybody end up raising their hand on zoom 01:47:39.160 --> 01:47:46.680 - Great. Thank you. Welcome back to council then for just if anybody has any last comments on this 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:48.720 - that they want to add in 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.920 - for consideration at this point 01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:55.320 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith 01:47:55.320 --> 01:47:59.760 - I'm trying to wrap my head around 01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:01.760 - how 01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:03.760 - this discussion is 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:06.900 - Really outcome based budgeting 01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:13.000 - So, I mean we all kind of set our ideas and our priorities and all that so 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:18.080 - Just kind of thinking out loud I heard a lot of 01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:22.400 - Colleagues say we need to look at the city plans 01:48:22.400 --> 01:48:28.520 - That already outline our goals and the outcomes we want to see so maybe that's one way 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:32.400 - to focus on outcomes, but other than that I've 01:48:32.400 --> 01:48:35.280 - heard 01:48:35.280 --> 01:48:38.400 - it as chair of the fiscal committee, I'm 01:48:38.400 --> 01:48:41.720 - Envisioning it to be very difficult 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:46.040 - To pull from these diverse ideas up here 01:48:46.040 --> 01:48:53.060 - Certain outcome priorities, so I just wanted to state that and see what people think 01:48:53.060 --> 01:48:58.200 - Any responses to that 01:48:58.200 --> 01:49:03.590 - Well, maybe it would be helpful to talk about what the rest of the process is I mean because this 01:49:03.590 --> 01:49:04.240 - this is very 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:06.680 - early on and 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:12.200 - Earlier than we started last year as well. So what what is ahead in terms of? 01:49:12.200 --> 01:49:15.600 - communication around 01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:18.600 - Budget plans what happens next? 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:24.600 - Is the fiscal committee 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:32.640 - Gets together a week from now. I believe next Wednesday and has a discussion about trying to 01:49:34.040 --> 01:49:39.970 - Prioritize the priorities so last year if you recall we had the budget advance meeting and we had 01:49:39.970 --> 01:49:41.480 - these ideas thrown out 01:49:41.480 --> 01:49:43.040 - and then we had a 01:49:43.040 --> 01:49:48.880 - List of budget priorities that was given to the administration, but that list was not a prioritized 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:51.000 - list that list was was 01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:58.710 - we can call it a randomized list and so this year there was I think most people most council 01:49:58.710 --> 01:50:00.240 - members thought like well 01:50:00.240 --> 01:50:06.880 - we should it would be more helpful to have a prioritized list of priorities so that then the 01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:11.580 - Administration has greater understanding of what our priorities actually are and I personally kind 01:50:11.580 --> 01:50:12.820 - of identified that as really 01:50:12.820 --> 01:50:20.640 - Highly challenging from the beginning because we are as a body 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:24.720 - I think really diverse in a lot of ways in terms of how we 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:30.640 - of what our priorities are in terms of of 01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:36.600 - Of how we should invest our money, so I guess I kind of as another member of the fiscal committee 01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:38.600 - I kind of share that sentiment 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:46.600 - That like how does the fiscal committee even start trying to prioritize what are really different? 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:50.600 - Different inputs from 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:52.520 - all nine council members 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:57.760 - So but that's that's in theory what what we're trying to do is we're trying to have a little bit 01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:58.180 - more 01:50:58.180 --> 01:51:04.400 - If so 01:51:04.400 --> 01:51:10.700 - So the the next meeting is of the fiscal committee and the goal of that meeting is for the fiscal 01:51:10.700 --> 01:51:11.740 - committee to put together 01:51:11.740 --> 01:51:19.480 - a sort of draft document of how we understand priorities to be what happens with that document my 01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:25.440 - Let me ask three more questions. So then so then you can just answer at length, which is I think 01:51:25.440 --> 01:51:26.960 - the point is that 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.480 - I think to 01:51:29.480 --> 01:51:33.320 - Councilmember Piedmont Smith's point is that you know 01:51:33.320 --> 01:51:39.680 - What other inputs do we need in order to move that process ahead? I think is the is the sort of 01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:42.560 - guiding question here 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.160 - Yeah, I mean what happens to that like 01:51:45.160 --> 01:51:50.240 - Prioritization list as it comes back to council at a special meeting on April 30th 01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:52.640 - April 30th 01:51:52.640 --> 01:52:00.780 - We have another deliberation session then and then it's a it's categorized as a special session 01:52:00.780 --> 01:52:04.840 - Because we would have to actually vote on the list of priorities 01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:14.000 - That's just for us and then after we have that kind of established 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:19.700 - Prioritization list then our next deliberative session in May is with the administration because in 01:52:19.700 --> 01:52:22.360 - the meantime while we're trying to develop our priorities 01:52:22.360 --> 01:52:27.420 - The administration is also developing their priorities. So then on the 14th of May it can be like, 01:52:27.420 --> 01:52:28.980 - hey, these are council priorities 01:52:28.980 --> 01:52:33.960 - These are mayor priorities. Where do they overlap? Where do they not overlap? How can we? 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:38.880 - Make all the things happen that people want to make happen 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:45.160 - So then so then the question I think to councilmember Puma Smith's point, I mean what what what 01:52:45.160 --> 01:52:47.200 - input would be useful to you as the chair? 01:52:47.200 --> 01:52:49.760 - To help move that process forward 01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:54.520 - Because we can do that, you know, we can do that asynchronously 01:52:54.520 --> 01:53:02.440 - We started talking about 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:08.840 - Points of agreement and we just talked about housing and then we talked about transportation. Well, 01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:11.560 - we started to talk about transportation and mobility 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:17.440 - but there were a lot of other things mentioned, so I guess the I 01:53:17.440 --> 01:53:22.560 - Don't know I don't even know 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:30.640 - Because like if I had to now, you know work with my three colleagues on the committee to prioritize 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:32.640 - I wouldn't know where to start 01:53:33.480 --> 01:53:37.430 - Because I also know that there are probably things that colleagues didn't even mention because we 01:53:37.430 --> 01:53:39.560 - didn't get to them, right? So 01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:43.160 - So here's my plan on where to start 01:53:43.160 --> 01:53:47.560 - and so my thought on where to start us is to 01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:50.480 - consolidate 01:53:50.480 --> 01:53:53.120 - notes and information basically and there are a couple of 01:53:53.120 --> 01:53:58.580 - very nice volunteers in the audience today who helped take notes with this and so to receive those 01:53:58.580 --> 01:53:59.760 - notes and and try to 01:54:02.120 --> 01:54:04.120 - Put together what all the council members 01:54:04.120 --> 01:54:10.960 - said into the different outcome areas and so my intention is to kind of do a bunch of preparation 01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:11.560 - in 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:16.580 - terms of consolidation of what I heard tonight in preparation for the Fiscal Committee next week so 01:54:16.580 --> 01:54:18.120 - that then the 01:54:18.120 --> 01:54:20.960 - Information is already 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:27.400 - Consolidated even if the thoughts are really different and so that might help the Fiscal Committee 01:54:27.400 --> 01:54:28.080 - next week 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:32.520 - That's my hope 01:54:32.520 --> 01:54:35.640 - And to similarly take the survey data 01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:41.400 - The community survey data just to be like what is it that people think is important? 01:54:41.400 --> 01:54:47.640 - My colleagues to send 01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:50.480 - Myself and councilmember Stossberg 01:54:50.480 --> 01:54:55.100 - Your completed worksheets for tonight if you completed them 01:54:55.100 --> 01:54:57.680 - And if you didn't complete them, I 01:54:57.680 --> 01:55:00.280 - recommend you do or 01:55:01.040 --> 01:55:05.990 - Do some substitute so that we have something from you because I know that we didn't all get to 01:55:05.990 --> 01:55:07.760 - everything on the our list 01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.760 - That would be helpful 01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:13.680 - I wrote some things on my worksheet that were like 01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:17.720 - See comprehensive plan or see climate action plan. I mean 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:21.120 - do you want me to like draw like 01:55:21.120 --> 01:55:26.280 - specific outcomes from there that I plug into the worksheet or like I 01:55:26.280 --> 01:55:28.920 - Mean, those are big plans obviously so it is 01:55:29.920 --> 01:55:32.440 - In my opinion, I think that 01:55:32.440 --> 01:55:35.760 - If 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:40.120 - I'm assuming that there's something say specific in the climate action plan or in the comp plan 01:55:40.120 --> 01:55:44.860 - That you're looking at, you know a certain part of it and you're going we need to implement this 01:55:44.860 --> 01:55:45.400 - part of it 01:55:45.400 --> 01:55:47.400 - Is that a correct assumption? 01:55:47.400 --> 01:55:49.040 - I 01:55:49.040 --> 01:55:50.920 - Don't know I think 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.880 - Not exactly like I didn't that's not where I started 01:55:54.160 --> 01:56:00.170 - So thinking about the inputs to go back to the transportation example and the different types of I 01:56:00.170 --> 01:56:00.320 - mean 01:56:00.320 --> 01:56:03.520 - It was guided by the transportation plan some of the infrastructure that we've said we want to 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:03.800 - build out 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:06.600 - It was guided by the safety action plan and some of the goals we've set for ourselves 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:10.980 - And the changes that will necessitate and the development of a sidewalk plan. So all those things 01:56:10.980 --> 01:56:12.320 - are kind of happening and informing 01:56:12.320 --> 01:56:14.880 - the input the requested input 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:18.480 - but as far as the outcomes I 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:24.320 - Think there's probably a bunch scattered across several plans that I could like pull in that sort 01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:25.360 - of all support that 01:56:25.360 --> 01:56:28.400 - Like it's not just one 01:56:28.400 --> 01:56:33.580 - Like not just one plan not just one plan and not just one outcome. Yeah 01:56:33.580 --> 01:56:39.840 - I don't know. Maybe I just need to go through the exercise to see what the limitations are like it's 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:41.060 - more granularity 01:56:41.060 --> 01:56:43.920 - I think that right now we need to just do our best 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:51.200 - Yeah, and recognize that that what we're trying to do as a body and as a city is a transition to 01:56:51.200 --> 01:56:56.280 - Outcome based budgeting and that it's it involves kind of a whole 01:56:56.280 --> 01:57:01.000 - different mindset and a whole different like 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:08.680 - Formatting almost in terms of what we've seen before so it and and my understanding is that this is 01:57:09.360 --> 01:57:15.240 - Kind of a I mean what councilmember sorry, this was your original like brainchild in some ways 01:57:15.240 --> 01:57:21.400 - So what like two to three years? I think is what was kind of cited right originally in that 01:57:21.400 --> 01:57:25.160 - Resolution in terms of a transition, so we're like 01:57:25.160 --> 01:57:30.120 - This is really the first year that we've really tried to do this in a serious way 01:57:30.120 --> 01:57:32.600 - So I guess my answer is do the best you can 01:57:34.080 --> 01:57:38.790 - Okay, is that a good enough answer? Yes, it comes over Piedmont Smith. Is that a good enough answer 01:57:38.790 --> 01:57:39.920 - for your needs as chair? 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:43.280 - Yes, it would be wonderful if you could pull those 01:57:43.280 --> 01:57:49.260 - Items outcomes from the plans, but I understand that we all have time limitations 01:57:49.260 --> 01:57:59.400 - Berallo well, it seems like this is going to be I 01:58:00.360 --> 01:58:05.640 - Mean we're focused on this budget this year, and I think that this discussion has 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:08.400 - refined my thinking about 01:58:08.400 --> 01:58:13.320 - Being very specific and for brevity having short 01:58:13.320 --> 01:58:18.400 - Priorities not not having extensive priorities because there's going to be a lot to wade through 01:58:18.400 --> 01:58:20.920 - and I think that you know 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:24.120 - we ought to prioritize things and then think about specifics and 01:58:25.040 --> 01:58:30.520 - That would help the process. It seems to me sort through rather than having tomes to 01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:33.160 - To try to read through and evaluate 01:58:33.160 --> 01:58:38.280 - So anyway, that's just my suggestion keep it brief 01:58:38.280 --> 01:58:45.600 - Maybe just two two two general thoughts 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:50.420 - I mean the though the one is for us not to get super and I think this is to council member Flaherty's 01:58:50.420 --> 01:58:51.000 - earlier point 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:55.760 - It's for us not to get super caught up in you know, or disconnected 01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:59.730 - I mean, it's very easy to just throw out numbers and metrics and then just you know start from 01:58:59.730 --> 01:59:01.280 - there and move backwards 01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:03.400 - That's not really the goal. I think that 01:59:03.400 --> 01:59:09.360 - One thing that we've that we've sort of found here is that nobody had any critiques outside of the 01:59:09.360 --> 01:59:11.380 - housing and homelessness separation 01:59:11.380 --> 01:59:14.120 - Of any of the proposed categories 01:59:14.120 --> 01:59:19.110 - I think these are almost directly reflective of like what other cities like Fort Collins have done 01:59:19.110 --> 01:59:19.600 - with them 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:23.620 - I mean that might be an area where if you if you have a strong feeling we're actually like no 01:59:23.620 --> 01:59:24.760 - I don't think you know 01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:29.780 - I mean equity or something is not something that needs to be a separate area and in the budget but 01:59:29.780 --> 01:59:30.780 - rather we want that 01:59:30.780 --> 01:59:34.860 - You know throughout I think that's input that we probably still need 01:59:34.860 --> 01:59:38.640 - But but I think one thing that's that's useful 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:41.160 - you know the core of 01:59:41.160 --> 01:59:43.960 - implementing outcome-based budgeting like 01:59:44.240 --> 01:59:50.700 - Is is is often what people call like offers or the sort of sales element of it that people come and 01:59:50.700 --> 01:59:51.480 - they ask for things 01:59:51.480 --> 01:59:56.190 - And then you and the council the legislative body the budgetary body. I'm sorry it makes offers of 01:59:56.190 --> 01:59:56.760 - those things 01:59:56.760 --> 01:59:59.320 - and importantly 01:59:59.320 --> 02:00:04.370 - What we're really talking about there's I mean the vast majority of our budget is what you might 02:00:04.370 --> 02:00:05.960 - think of as just a continuing offer 02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:08.480 - and so I don't know if we need to 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:13.860 - Spend a lot of time thinking about the things that we already do that needs to just continue 02:00:13.860 --> 02:00:14.800 - happening, right? 02:00:14.800 --> 02:00:20.870 - I mean paying the lights at bills as you will and so it's that it's that space outside those what 02:00:20.870 --> 02:00:21.600 - people would call 02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:27.610 - Enhancement offers the you know the things that we want to see happen in that flexible space of our 02:00:27.610 --> 02:00:28.400 - budget 02:00:28.400 --> 02:00:31.400 - which is I think the 02:00:31.400 --> 02:00:35.440 - you know in terms of limiting we don't need a 02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:41.910 - What we don't need from everybody at this moment is not, you know, every single outcome you'd like 02:00:41.910 --> 02:00:42.880 - to see in the budget 02:00:42.880 --> 02:00:44.880 - but things you'd like to 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:49.480 - See either enhanced included that have not been included 02:00:49.480 --> 02:00:52.840 - Increased so the type of conversation that 02:00:52.840 --> 02:00:58.600 - Comes morello brought up, you know this, you know, we're doing well with with Jack Hopkins. We want 02:00:58.600 --> 02:00:59.320 - to increase that 02:00:59.320 --> 02:01:04.970 - that's that I think the sort of minds the the space that we need to be in and then have some like 02:01:04.970 --> 02:01:06.080 - theory of change that 02:01:06.080 --> 02:01:10.360 - That as councilman Fleury was saying like, you know, the reason why we think this should happen is 02:01:10.360 --> 02:01:11.040 - yeah 02:01:11.040 --> 02:01:15.400 - And so that helps us then in that final conversation of the okay 02:01:15.400 --> 02:01:20.970 - Where is this money coming from if we think that it's that it's you know, our argument is by 02:01:20.970 --> 02:01:22.200 - funding Jack Hopkins 02:01:22.200 --> 02:01:24.200 - We will achieve 02:01:24.200 --> 02:01:29.240 - Said outcome what other things are trying to do that right now and and when we put those in 02:01:29.240 --> 02:01:30.120 - contrast 02:01:30.120 --> 02:01:34.040 - Which of these is more worth the money in this context for this year 02:01:34.280 --> 02:01:38.990 - So I think that sort of limits what we're talking about here. It's not you know, the whole the 02:01:38.990 --> 02:01:40.440 - entirety of everything 02:01:40.440 --> 02:01:42.440 - we're just talking about those sort of enhancements and 02:01:42.440 --> 02:01:46.240 - Increases if you will 02:01:46.240 --> 02:01:54.200 - Does anybody else have any other things to add 02:01:54.200 --> 02:02:00.240 - Okay 02:02:00.240 --> 02:02:05.160 - Thank you all for this conversation. Thank you to the public who've involved themselves in various 02:02:05.160 --> 02:02:05.560 - ways 02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:09.580 - I want to take a couple notes on council schedule 02:02:09.580 --> 02:02:15.280 - First of all has has already been mentioned the fiscal committee will meet next week April 16th 02:02:15.280 --> 02:02:19.220 - At 2 in the afternoon to kind of synthesize this discussion 02:02:19.220 --> 02:02:22.760 - So if this was interesting to you that might be a meeting that you want to tune into 02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:29.600 - It will be in person and online. It'll be a hybrid meeting 02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:34.800 - So there will be a zoom link and I think right now it's scheduled to be in Allison 02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:39.330 - But that might change to McCloskey not totally sure but you can that'll be updated on the calendar 02:02:39.330 --> 02:02:40.040 - if it changes 02:02:40.040 --> 02:02:43.760 - And then we'll have another special session on April 30th 02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:48.760 - About budget again, and hopefully there'll be this prioritized list 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:52.320 - Other things going on that I wanted to be sure to mention tomorrow night 02:02:52.320 --> 02:02:56.520 - The Parks Department is having a master planning work session at 6 o'clock in Allison conference 02:02:56.520 --> 02:02:58.240 - room. So there was a couple messages 02:02:58.840 --> 02:03:00.840 - references to parks programs 02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:06.560 - And I know that I will be at that and I believe one or two other council members will as well 02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:09.600 - So that'll be interesting and then I also wanted to highlight on 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:16.430 - April 23rd the Hopewell Commons grand opening is happening starting at 330 in the afternoon and 02:03:16.430 --> 02:03:18.600 - lasting I think until about 6 so 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:21.080 - Those are things that you could put on your schedule 02:03:21.080 --> 02:03:25.400 - Our next regular session will be next week on April 16th 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:29.320 - Are there other notes to add to the schedule councilmember Piedmont Smith? 02:03:29.320 --> 02:03:38.320 - Processes is meeting on Monday April 14th 12 15 to 145 in the Allison conference room 02:03:38.320 --> 02:03:42.400 - Thank you very much. Any other committee meetings to announce today 02:03:42.400 --> 02:03:51.780 - The fiscal task force is meeting next Wednesday on on April 16th at what time 02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:56.560 - At 9 a.m. And so the difference with the budget task force 02:03:56.560 --> 02:04:00.760 - Oh 8 a.m. Sorry the budget task force versus the fiscal committee 02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:05.640 - They do slightly different things related to this transition to outcome based budgeting 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:10.650 - So if you want more details on that just email me and I'll clue you and thank you if there's 02:04:10.650 --> 02:04:11.400 - nothing else 02:04:11.400 --> 02:04:13.920 - We are adjourned 02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:46.840 - (orchestral music) 02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:49.760 - (orchestral music) 02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:52.680 - (orchestral music) 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:55.600 - (orchestral music) 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:58.520 - (orchestral music) 02:04:58.520 --> 02:05:01.440 - (orchestral music) 02:05:01.440 --> 02:05:04.360 - (orchestral music)