WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.800 - Are there any uh proposed revisions to the agenda? 00:00:02.800 --> 00:00:11.440 - Um, I just want to add after items three a will have a report, um 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:15.680 - On legal ramifications of allowing 00:00:15.680 --> 00:00:18.000 - or 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.520 - Negation to the city residency requirement for wars and commissions 00:00:21.520 --> 00:00:23.440 - um 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.560 - That's just an oversight like part b should be discussion 00:00:28.400 --> 00:00:32.960 - Possible changes to allow people from outside the city and then public comment 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:40.080 - Okay, so um we will 00:00:40.080 --> 00:00:44.320 - Go on with them the update section 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:50.200 - And I don't know who from the clerk's office can give an update about public comment, but 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:52.720 - electronic signage. I can do that. Um, 00:00:53.360 --> 00:00:58.640 - So we have created the form shown it to I think most council members 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:04.080 - And there was a little concern about using the qr code for my ts 00:01:04.080 --> 00:01:08.080 - So we've tried to meet with them a couple of times and that has not worked out 00:01:08.080 --> 00:01:14.110 - But with the recent cyber security training that we had I wonder if a qr code is just not ideal and 00:01:14.110 --> 00:01:14.960 - we should just use it 00:01:14.960 --> 00:01:16.880 - I mean url 00:01:16.880 --> 00:01:19.440 - They're just getting half form. Yeah, and so 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:24.400 - Everything is ready to go in terms of using an ipad 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:27.120 - Um, I think that's probably ideal 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:32.320 - I'm not quite sure looking at the calendar if this wednesday is ideal to use 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:35.840 - To test it out. So we let go wrong 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.720 - Oh, yes 00:01:38.720 --> 00:01:44.180 - I think my recommendation would be the 27th 00:01:44.180 --> 00:01:47.360 - Um 00:01:47.360 --> 00:01:50.880 - But I guess it's really up to you all we can discuss if we answer any questions 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:53.520 - I've probably pulled them up to a good one 00:01:53.520 --> 00:02:00.960 - So, um 00:02:00.960 --> 00:02:05.280 - You would be ready to move forward on the 22nd 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.880 - We're ready now 00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:12.070 - But I think there still needs to be some discussion on who is going to be managing calling on the 00:02:12.070 --> 00:02:13.600 - people. Yes, it's 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:19.440 - Ideally we can set it up and the the chair or president would be the one 00:02:19.440 --> 00:02:22.320 - Kind of queuing up the public commenters 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:29.020 - We did that a little bit. You might remember during coven when we first went hybrid or actually all 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:29.680 - virtual 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.480 - um 00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:33.920 - And that tended to work out okay 00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:38.160 - So basically someone would just need to be able to filter that spreadsheet 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:42.240 - Is the public commenter wanting to speak on something on the agenda? 00:02:42.640 --> 00:02:47.140 - If so, then they would wait until that section if it's not then they would have the opportunity to 00:02:47.140 --> 00:02:48.080 - speak at the first public 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.160 - Comment period over the second 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:52.560 - So just be managing that side of it 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:55.680 - And we can have I think 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:57.920 - Longer discussions on that, too 00:02:57.920 --> 00:03:01.840 - I also did ask, um 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:09.180 - Facilities or public works if they had an ipad stand which would be kind of nice because then that 00:03:09.180 --> 00:03:10.240 - removes people from 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:14.080 - Lining up at the podium and taking a lot of time to sign in 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:18.400 - Um, it's secure. It would be locked. So that's another plus 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.440 - But before we buy one 00:03:21.440 --> 00:03:24.480 - We want to make sure that we're going to use this process and not 00:03:24.480 --> 00:03:27.120 - Continue with like paper. So 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:33.910 - That's kind of where we are. I am okay with not going down the qr code. So if you all are I think 00:03:33.910 --> 00:03:35.200 - it makes no sense 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:40.400 - And then we would populate the tiny url in the chat 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.320 - and 00:03:42.320 --> 00:03:44.320 - Really anywhere else we want to but just 00:03:44.320 --> 00:03:47.200 - For those folks who don't want to 00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:50.480 - Type it in they would just hang up to the ipad or computer 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:55.760 - Great 00:03:55.760 --> 00:03:59.840 - Um, they just say there are two ipads. Yes available 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:05.920 - So they're the larger ones. So I think that they would be ideal. We also have a computer 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:12.960 - That could be those so as far as placing that in council chambers you think at the 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.080 - I don't know if it helps to be kind of 00:04:16.080 --> 00:04:18.560 - ironed out 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:22.880 - I do see this is why I think the stand would be nice because you could put it kind of like 00:04:22.880 --> 00:04:28.420 - Away, so it wouldn't necessarily be where the people were speaking and could be over by our desk by 00:04:28.420 --> 00:04:29.360 - the media desk 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.920 - There's a lot of options 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:33.920 - but until we got some sort of 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.160 - Stand or secure way and a little hesitant to just put an ipad a city outpad 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.440 - logged in 00:04:41.440 --> 00:04:44.640 - You know, it's tied to the clerk account. So I don't want someone to lock off a bit 00:04:44.640 --> 00:04:52.080 - So we're trying to see if we can borrow an ipad stand that locks basically that's kind of our right 00:04:52.080 --> 00:04:52.320 - now 00:04:52.320 --> 00:05:00.260 - That would be my preference anyway, but we're welcoming any feedback 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:10.320 - I think it would make sense to wait until the 22nd once we have everything the way it was 00:05:10.320 --> 00:05:17.120 - Especially if it sounds like we're gonna have to get to yeah 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.280 - Um 00:05:21.280 --> 00:05:23.280 - yeah, I think that 00:05:23.280 --> 00:05:25.200 - we'll have to 00:05:25.200 --> 00:05:27.200 - like the thing between the 00:05:27.200 --> 00:05:31.280 - President vice president and parliamentarian have to work out who's going to 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.260 - Monitor it. Yeah, maybe do a test run doesn't say there might just be a small learning curve of how 00:05:37.260 --> 00:05:39.200 - to access that how to filter it 00:05:39.200 --> 00:05:45.600 - I don't think it'll be difficult, but it'd just be a small adjustment. Yeah. Yeah, you know 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.560 - Knowing me 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:52.000 - I'm sure other people do the same way. It's like oh, yeah, right. I forgot. That's my job 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.960 - All right. I forgot I have to do that 00:05:54.960 --> 00:05:57.040 - I think once I'm going to join 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.440 - Excuse me and see if I can 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.560 - Share my screen just to show you briefly here 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:11.260 - What it looks like as a reminder because it is a very it's just a sortable spreadsheet. So is it on 00:06:11.260 --> 00:06:12.480 - the agenda? 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.200 - you'd sort it by 00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:19.200 - The nose first because they would really be wanting to speak during the first 00:06:19.200 --> 00:06:22.960 - Session 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:27.120 - Actually, does anyone have an interest in seeing this 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:38.080 - Or not I'd like to see over here if you don't mind. Yeah, I have it ready to go 00:06:38.080 --> 00:06:47.600 - Maybe 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:56.880 - So the form 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.160 - This is what the form would look like 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:05.060 - More or less, it's always uh changeable 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:08.880 - but uh, there's a brief very brief intro 00:07:08.880 --> 00:07:13.120 - Name, uh, we want to track the player commenting via zoom 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:18.080 - There's um other questions, but basically what i'd like to show you is the spreadsheet 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:21.040 - Is that you will be able to see? 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.680 - So then it'd just be a little prep work ahead of time 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.040 - Um 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.040 - But as you can see this is sorted by 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.920 - Nose first then yeses and then what's nice is over here. It would tell you 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:45.600 - What item was on the agenda and then the president could sort it that way too. Yeah 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:52.400 - And as we use it, it could be tweaked a little bit more. So well, what's nice about a google doc 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.760 - Is that even during the meeting if people are still saying you can still still a bit easily 00:07:57.760 --> 00:08:02.560 - And by what you need and it's in a queue because it's time spent 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:08.800 - And there might be hiccups there might be we call the wrong person first and that can happen 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:14.720 - And if the president wants to bounce back and forth between zoom and in person as well 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:22.160 - But what's nice about this from our point of view in the clerk's office is that we have 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.800 - The correct spelling of names 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.480 - A snapshot and I think it'll just make things a little bit 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.640 - Easier in the long run. There's going to be a learning curve I imagine 00:08:32.640 --> 00:08:36.800 - But I think in the end it will be quite useful 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:43.840 - And other I think other second class cities use similar type of public assignment 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.440 - Systems 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.240 - Oh, yeah, I can share this wrong here I can share this if you all want to 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.680 - Fill it out 00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:06.320 - Anyway, stop shooting 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:12.480 - So the question of whether or not they're on zoom is if you have to scroll to see that um 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:18.000 - It's still on the same spreadsheet, okay. Yeah. Yeah 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.000 - Yeah 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:26.320 - And the other thing sorry the last piece i'll say about the form itself is we don't want to overly 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:27.360 - complicate it for 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.060 - Maybe non-savvy users of technology 00:09:31.060 --> 00:09:34.080 - Which we encounter often 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:42.560 - Yeah, but I we can 00:09:42.560 --> 00:09:44.640 - have any kind of follow-up 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:50.020 - Conversations about it or is it useful if I share the link with folks to fill it out to see what 00:09:50.020 --> 00:09:50.960 - the public sees 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.800 - Council staff included 00:09:54.800 --> 00:09:58.400 - Sure, yeah, okay. I'll send that out 00:09:58.400 --> 00:10:04.880 - Does council staff have any concerns 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:15.680 - You know as always probably my primary concern is just how the technology 00:10:15.680 --> 00:10:21.680 - Flushes together in practice because already there are 00:10:21.680 --> 00:10:26.480 - Four different computers that we operate during the council meeting 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.700 - We have consistently had issues with the podium timer 00:10:31.700 --> 00:10:40.000 - And at any given time it could be an issue with another computer as well 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:46.960 - Yeah, so I want to like work out any chance in advance 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.480 - Yeah, and I mean the other pieces we don't need to go to a 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.200 - Format that we can still use paper 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:56.640 - True 00:10:56.640 --> 00:10:59.200 - But then 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.520 - it brings the issue of when 00:11:01.520 --> 00:11:03.840 - somebody is trying to 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.040 - Make minutes and we're trying to read even though the paper form says 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.720 - Please print logically people. I don't 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:16.960 - I think people get up there and they they literally sign it and I think they just go 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.000 - And so it's really hard for us 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:25.410 - To see and if somebody's trying to do meeting minutes and trying to go back and look at the 00:11:25.410 --> 00:11:25.920 - document 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:29.120 - Then we try to go and we'll have to like fill up a meeting 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:34.160 - And try to figure out who what when where and on top of that too 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:39.360 - There's one member of the public who is quite humorous and misspells their name every time 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.200 - So they've not been around lately, but it's been 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.680 - Very funny 00:11:47.680 --> 00:11:53.360 - Well, I think it would be good if 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.400 - Maybe 00:11:56.400 --> 00:11:58.480 - Courtney myself and hopey 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.680 - Did like a whole practice test run 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:04.160 - and 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.840 - Yes, hopey will 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.440 - Decide which of us is the primary responsible for this 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:15.200 - I feel comfortable with it. I don't mind. That'd be great being in charge of it because 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.720 - I think it's pretty straightforward 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:25.020 - I wasn't i'm not likely, you know distracted trying to organize them. Yeah, that's good thing. So 00:12:25.020 --> 00:12:25.360 - that's fine 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.960 - Right 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.440 - But yeah, we can confer with you and maybe do a test 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.080 - Yep 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.120 - All right, any other comments concerns before we go 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:45.280 - Okay, um 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:51.160 - Proposal for planning and scheduling deliberation sessions. So that was revised a little bit since 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:51.840 - last time 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.800 - Um, lisa, do you have anything to 00:12:54.800 --> 00:13:01.240 - Say, I don't know if we need to um, I don't know. Yeah christine can present on this. We have some 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.000 - revised 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:09.440 - Yeah, there's um, so we included the memo, um with red lines from last time and so basically 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:14.940 - That's pretty similar from the last google form that we had but we just add some like required 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:16.800 - folks including um stage 00:13:16.800 --> 00:13:23.200 - Of that specific legislation discussion if there's like any legislation included in that discussion 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.040 - um, so 00:13:25.040 --> 00:13:29.360 - Which we asked which stage of this legislative process they're in and then 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:34.320 - um also in like what type of meeting and divisions and also 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:41.440 - What type of like public engagement potentially like the deliberation session we had for last month 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.900 - I believe with like the public and like table discussions 00:13:44.900 --> 00:13:48.240 - So sort of like break up groups things like that. So 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:55.120 - um, also whether we mean like facilitators, um, that's also an optional field and 00:13:55.680 --> 00:14:01.440 - Also, sorry required fields and optional fields. There's like we added whether or not 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:08.850 - other cms our council members are actually um sponsoring sponsoring this deliberation section as 00:14:08.850 --> 00:14:10.560 - well and helping with 00:14:10.560 --> 00:14:14.560 - the topic and maybe gathering potential, um 00:14:14.560 --> 00:14:22.140 - Information and documents that packed with materials that we did for that session and I guess, um, 00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:23.520 - that's it. So 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:32.480 - Uh sam and I worked on this and um, really I've really chatted with um is about about 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:37.680 - That's so that also if there's anything else we'd like to add on 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:40.400 - that for 00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:44.240 - Any comments on the form 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.760 - Thank you 00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:52.480 - Um 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:57.520 - Okay, well, what's the next step we would just send this to all council members 00:14:57.520 --> 00:15:05.490 - Yeah, I really so so um, if this form is ready to go, um, we can set that out maybe in an email and 00:15:05.490 --> 00:15:06.160 - then like 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:10.820 - Having the document, um, what's shared with council members 00:15:10.820 --> 00:15:16.800 - Well, that sounds great 00:15:16.800 --> 00:15:21.040 - Thank you very much 00:15:21.040 --> 00:15:23.040 - Um 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:27.600 - Okay, um 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:35.630 - Then uh, the third thing under updates is revision of code to clarify that reports are not just 00:15:35.630 --> 00:15:36.800 - from city offices 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:40.000 - um, so that uh 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.040 - Thank you to the staff who created 00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:47.040 - These legislations so that we can enact that 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.320 - Yeah, so for today's meeting we prepared an ordinance 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:57.200 - with a red line document that shows the change was the addition of 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.840 - the city clerk 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:01.840 - and city boards and commissions 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:12.640 - Anybody have any feedback on that so everybody from the phone 00:16:12.640 --> 00:16:18.080 - Good 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:23.940 - Okay, great, so we can bring that forward 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:33.360 - You mean that was that was my question would you would you want to uh, 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.800 - Introduce this 00:16:36.800 --> 00:16:39.040 - Um, just as we would any other 00:16:39.040 --> 00:16:42.960 - Legislation or at that meeting would you like? 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.480 - To report on that as the chair 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.080 - Or before having the vote on it? 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:54.560 - Just hand it over to the other 00:16:54.560 --> 00:16:58.260 - And our first readings like we normally would any any type of legislation 00:16:58.260 --> 00:17:05.280 - Yeah, let's see. Why not? Okay. Yeah, let me be quick. She goes you're awesome steps 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:11.600 - So for any small change after 00:17:11.600 --> 00:17:14.320 - much discussion about possible other 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.440 - Chairs, often the law is right bad 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:31.120 - All right, so let's move on to the city residency requirement for service on boards and clinicians 00:17:31.120 --> 00:17:34.160 - And there will be a public comment 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:38.320 - section for this topic but first was here from 00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:43.520 - Council staff and thank you so much for preparing this 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.680 - of 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.800 - any of all the boards and commissions and what they 00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:51.840 - Do and what? 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:56.400 - Presidency requirements apply that i'll speak to this initially and then 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:04.800 - Christine can't provide some additional detail. We spent a significant amount of time reviewing 00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:05.520 - this and 00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:12.000 - Working with the clerk's office as well 00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:14.800 - as an overview 00:18:14.800 --> 00:18:18.960 - Boards and commissions 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:26.320 - Have been holistically reviewed. I think in the past with respect to 00:18:26.320 --> 00:18:32.800 - Appointments of county residents largely when we went through and examined 00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:38.240 - Each board and each commission it either have 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:47.680 - Have county representation in some form that many of the boards of commissions do have 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:54.480 - Appointments or or a county official actually makes the appointment 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.520 - in other situations 00:18:57.520 --> 00:18:59.760 - state statute 00:18:59.760 --> 00:19:01.360 - requires 00:19:01.360 --> 00:19:03.360 - city residency 00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:06.560 - On top of any requirement by the building division 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.480 - And then in other situations we saw where there was an aspect 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.480 - of 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.480 - city finances involved 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.960 - such that there 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.120 - Could be a compelling argument for restricting 00:19:23.120 --> 00:19:26.320 - Appointments to city residents 00:19:26.320 --> 00:19:30.240 - Christine put a lot of time into this so I'll let 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.160 - Her speak to it in more specific detail 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.680 - Well, yeah, and also, thank you jennifer for um working with this 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:46.970 - So we went through basically all the boards and commissions which is like 40 something that we have 00:19:46.970 --> 00:19:47.840 - in our city 00:19:47.840 --> 00:19:54.560 - And um, so I won't um go into all these details regarding each board or commission 00:19:54.560 --> 00:20:00.320 - Um, but there's like some findings after looking into this research 00:20:00.320 --> 00:20:02.400 - um, so 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:09.200 - Actually, um, maybe we can just go directly to um the conclusion of this research. We're just in 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:09.920 - page 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:13.520 - 72 off my research document, but it's 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:19.280 - I think it's um page 11 of the packet. No, no, no, I think it was 31 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:21.920 - Yeah, 31. Thank you 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.840 - So, um, I think the first thing is after looking into this 00:20:25.840 --> 00:20:30.160 - Um, just like what lisa said the question of like whether county residents 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:37.040 - Can be included or considered as an application or become like a membership of certain political 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:37.600 - commission 00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:41.520 - I don't even take them into consideration at some point before 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:46.000 - So, um, like you can see in several different boards and commission 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:51.730 - They're already including seats appointed by the county commissioner specifically or they allow 00:20:51.730 --> 00:20:55.280 - like county resident to apply and then going through like 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:01.200 - Common council be appointed by the council or appointed by the mayor's office 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.680 - and so 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.120 - I think um all those other that are not 00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:12.800 - currently allowing like county residents, um, like potentially are 00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:19.660 - Required by state law specifically, uh limited them to be like city residents or other like 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:21.280 - focusing specific on 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:28.480 - city's task or more like responsibility tied indirectly to city fundings, so 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:32.160 - Maybe that's why that although some of those 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.640 - boards and commissions 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.080 - restricted to specifically city resident only 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:42.960 - So we believe that maybe a more practical 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:49.200 - Consideration is that we can see if each board or commission 00:21:49.820 --> 00:21:52.640 - Individually, but for example like our commission that needs 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.200 - um like opening to 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.520 - county residents 00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:59.280 - um, so that's like 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:03.600 - Sort of due to some of the nature of those boards and commissions. So that's 00:22:03.600 --> 00:22:05.200 - Why? 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.600 - It seems not very workable to have a general rule 00:22:09.600 --> 00:22:14.720 - Adding like in chummy residents to each board and commission 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:19.040 - And for our commission specifically I talked with 00:22:19.540 --> 00:22:21.540 - Um genfer about this 00:22:21.540 --> 00:22:28.660 - Um, maybe a potential option for that commission is to like adding an advice receipt 00:22:28.660 --> 00:22:32.900 - for chummy resident in that commission specifically and also 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:38.740 - Another option is to like allow one like county appointment potentially 00:22:38.740 --> 00:22:45.980 - either from mayor or from the council and that kind of purified the issue between like who made 00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:47.780 - that appointment and 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:56.020 - specifically how that appointment being made and um, the last thing that we identified is that um, 00:22:56.020 --> 00:22:59.060 - the general rule, which is the bfc 00:22:59.060 --> 00:23:01.520 - section 00:23:01.520 --> 00:23:08.100 - 2.08.020 that one the residential requirement. Um, there's like some ambiguity there 00:23:08.100 --> 00:23:11.860 - which currently a provision on the state that 00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:18.580 - The city required a city resident requirements are for only boards commissions and councils 00:23:18.580 --> 00:23:25.850 - But not specifically for advisory committees. So we're thinking that for um clarification maybe 00:23:25.850 --> 00:23:28.260 - like adding advisory committees on that 00:23:28.260 --> 00:23:31.060 - provision will be helpful since um 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:36.580 - After my talk with jennifer that there might be a need like for certain advisory committees are 00:23:36.580 --> 00:23:38.420 - still like restricted for 00:23:38.420 --> 00:23:41.860 - city resident families since your task and 00:23:42.020 --> 00:23:43.220 - um 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:49.720 - There's specific city funding regarding that course and commissions. Yeah, I think that's our good 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:50.180 - thing 00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:55.780 - I was gonna say case in point caps. Yeah caps commission is an advisory committee 00:23:55.780 --> 00:23:57.460 - and 00:23:57.460 --> 00:24:00.020 - Therefore that is only tied to 00:24:00.020 --> 00:24:07.360 - Um city residents being able to be a part of that. Um, and I just wanted to interject and also say 00:24:07.360 --> 00:24:07.860 - like 00:24:08.740 --> 00:24:15.540 - Obviously like this came from the situation where it wasn't ideal and sometimes when there's heartburn 00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:16.980 - there's beauty after 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:22.340 - Um situations have come about so this has been a long time coming honestly 00:24:22.340 --> 00:24:26.660 - um, but it was necessary for us to kind of dive in and I think we 00:24:26.660 --> 00:24:31.780 - Um when christina and I like worked together on this collaborative we found 00:24:31.780 --> 00:24:33.780 - that 00:24:33.780 --> 00:24:39.320 - there is some cleanup so to speak, um when it comes to this the other thing that I wanted to point 00:24:39.320 --> 00:24:40.420 - out too is um, 00:24:40.420 --> 00:24:44.900 - initially like i'd already created a spreadsheet that showed 00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:50.420 - all of our boards and commissions in the city and if it had a requirement of 00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:57.060 - Um a city resident or can allow minero county residents to be a part of it as well 00:24:57.060 --> 00:25:02.260 - And if there was indiana code that also ties all into this 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:04.660 - so it was a really fun process and I 00:25:04.660 --> 00:25:09.700 - Appreciate the opportunity to have uh to work with christina on this as well 00:25:09.700 --> 00:25:15.060 - And I do think I an agreement of I think this is definitely a case-by-case basis 00:25:15.060 --> 00:25:19.060 - um, and I think in terms of adding advisory 00:25:19.060 --> 00:25:23.860 - I would maybe even take it a step further since this is coming through the 00:25:23.860 --> 00:25:28.420 - ccp that if you're going to do the take of advisory 00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:35.680 - Then council should be the person to make the advice like should have the advisory seat my personal 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:36.180 - opinion 00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:42.010 - Take it how you want. Um, but I was just thinking about that and that's not to say that we are 00:25:42.010 --> 00:25:42.660 - adding 00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:45.300 - um to the 00:25:45.300 --> 00:25:47.540 - the typical or to or 00:25:47.540 --> 00:25:51.060 - We're not adding more bodies to the board of commission 00:25:51.060 --> 00:25:53.620 - I think that was something else that we had talked about too is 00:25:53.620 --> 00:25:58.260 - if there is a vacancy you can change that vacancy into 00:25:59.140 --> 00:26:03.780 - An advisory seat and obviously we know and when I send out the appointments to 00:26:03.780 --> 00:26:09.650 - People that are taking advisory roles that are council appointments. We also specify that you do 00:26:09.650 --> 00:26:10.740 - not have a voting 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:16.020 - Privilege and that this is sheer advisory. So we make that explicitly clear 00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:19.300 - To everybody and also it's updated on board too 00:26:19.300 --> 00:26:25.180 - So when we go in you'll see that it says voting seat and then some of them say advisory kind of 00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:25.780 - like how 00:26:26.660 --> 00:26:29.700 - chla the commission on hispanic and latin affairs 00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:32.180 - as some council seats that are 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.380 - voting and then some seats that are 00:26:35.380 --> 00:26:37.940 - um advisory seats, too 00:26:37.940 --> 00:26:39.220 - so 00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:40.020 - one 00:26:40.020 --> 00:26:42.660 - Yeah, one additional point to add is that um 00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:48.820 - The spreadsheet that we are preparing actually just reflect kind of all the research that is done 00:26:48.820 --> 00:26:49.140 - here 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:54.100 - And I think that spreadsheet helps to kind of identify like certain 00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.860 - boards for commission that currently like living on 00:26:57.860 --> 00:27:04.180 - county resident or like non-county commissioner appointments and also like 00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:11.380 - identify, um all like um boards and commission that are required by the state law so um 00:27:11.380 --> 00:27:17.050 - Because we are still currently updating this spreadsheet. So, um, potentially that could be put on 00:27:17.050 --> 00:27:18.500 - our next voting packet 00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:20.580 - If we're interested in that 00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:26.420 - And then I just thought of it. Well, i'm sorry. Well i'm working. Um, sorry. Not sorry. Um 00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:33.590 - So I think we had I think I mentioned this before to council member clevon smith when we discussed 00:27:33.590 --> 00:27:33.780 - it 00:27:33.780 --> 00:27:37.700 - And I know that christina and I had a conversation about this last week 00:27:37.700 --> 00:27:45.940 - The residential requirement is in a very odd spot in the bmc. So when i'm regular 00:27:47.380 --> 00:27:52.960 - Gijane and I want to go in and I want to take a look at you know, what's happening and in terms of 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.420 - what qualifies me 00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:59.220 - um as a resident and a community member here in willington 00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:07.220 - I would assume that I would go to the code and go click on boards commissions and councils 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.060 - however 00:28:09.060 --> 00:28:12.840 - When you go and do that, it does not specify residency requirements 00:28:13.380 --> 00:28:18.900 - It's in a very weird spot and it is in the executive branch 00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:25.700 - um area under general provisions and that's where somebody can see where 00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:30.980 - Your residency required stuff. So when we had a lot of 00:28:30.980 --> 00:28:32.900 - um 00:28:32.900 --> 00:28:36.340 - A lot of input rather what happened with appointments of the arts commission 00:28:36.820 --> 00:28:43.140 - Um, people did not know where to find this and so it basically left people to the imagination of 00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:44.020 - well 00:28:44.020 --> 00:28:50.180 - I don't see where this requirement is because it's not here and only you know, the nerds that 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.780 - Look in code a lot every single day and know about heart 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:59.700 - Um know exactly where to find it. So I would also you know recommend too 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:05.860 - I know it title two is still a work in progress, but this is definitely a blaring thing 00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:09.540 - That should be looked at or so. Thank you 00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:13.460 - Yes 00:29:13.460 --> 00:29:20.580 - If you were to revise that section where the residency requirement currently appears 00:29:20.580 --> 00:29:23.460 - Would you also? 00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:31.220 - um amend that portion of the bmc that includes the removal process would would you 00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:36.900 - Put all of that under boards and permissions in there. Yes, I would agree 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:42.260 - I think we talked about this earlier this year when it came to some other council appointments 00:29:42.260 --> 00:29:44.340 - because it's not made clear 00:29:44.340 --> 00:29:47.460 - Under that particular part 00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:53.780 - It talks about how you know the person that is an office and the mayor appointment 00:29:53.780 --> 00:29:58.980 - Um can be removed for just cost. However, there's no really wrong reason 00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:02.500 - when it comes to council appointment and there's really not a 00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:07.300 - Not it's not clearly defined in code like the process or that type of thing 00:30:07.300 --> 00:30:10.580 - and I think that's definitely something that could be 00:30:10.580 --> 00:30:13.780 - put in code for 00:30:13.780 --> 00:30:21.620 - Everybody as well. I think the the language even though it's embedded in the executive branch 00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:30.820 - Applies also to to council appointments, I think all appointments the language refers to all 00:30:30.820 --> 00:30:31.620 - appointments 00:30:31.620 --> 00:30:33.300 - um 00:30:33.300 --> 00:30:36.340 - I can you know, I can only speculate that maybe 00:30:36.340 --> 00:30:44.900 - The uh, the city appointments are housed under the executive branch because 00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.540 - often 00:30:47.540 --> 00:30:49.540 - uh boards and commissions 00:30:49.540 --> 00:30:51.940 - are associated 00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:54.020 - with the executive branch 00:30:54.020 --> 00:31:03.060 - Yeah, but I I I agree that putting all of those requirements and all of that language under boards 00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:03.640 - and commissions 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:09.620 - Makes sense. I've not talked about that with the legal department. I love them 00:31:09.620 --> 00:31:13.380 - I don't know if they have a different opinion 00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:21.940 - Um, the problem with that is that not all boards and commissions are in sync with those 00:31:21.940 --> 00:31:25.300 - Are some of them under cfrd? 00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:27.940 - Yes, some of them are 00:31:27.940 --> 00:31:34.740 - Under 212 which says boards and commissions and councils should all be there 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:42.580 - Anyway, so i'm not sure but see once you clean up one thing because 00:31:44.740 --> 00:31:46.740 - That's not true 00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:52.280 - So when focusing on the residency thing what are some reactions 00:31:52.280 --> 00:32:05.700 - I think the way that christine laid it out made a lot of sense, especially regarding, you know 00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:10.500 - We don't have county seats on boards that are distributing city funds 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:14.420 - So I do I do understand why that would be the case 00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:16.980 - I'm not completely sold that 00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:22.100 - County residents would not also benefit 00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:25.380 - from having a seat on that but it's 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:30.260 - specifically on the arts commission and any other commissions that might 00:32:30.260 --> 00:32:33.860 - Distribute money that would support, you know local 00:32:33.860 --> 00:32:38.100 - I don't want to just say artists, but you know 00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:43.700 - Individuals who may have a hard time being supported by other funds, especially given 00:32:44.340 --> 00:32:46.340 - the federal and state 00:32:46.340 --> 00:32:50.980 - Yes, super senses 00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:59.300 - I agree. Yeah 00:32:59.300 --> 00:33:02.500 - I think it makes sense for 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:06.180 - For some representation obviously in certain areas 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:09.380 - not 00:33:11.860 --> 00:33:15.380 - I think the um, honestly the affordability issue 00:33:15.380 --> 00:33:21.800 - of the fact that there are a lot a significant number of residents in Monroe County that would live 00:33:21.800 --> 00:33:23.540 - in Bloomington if they could afford to 00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:26.900 - um for me like that is 00:33:26.900 --> 00:33:30.580 - A little bit of a 00:33:30.580 --> 00:33:35.620 - Policy failure that doesn't necessarily like rest on anyone's shoulders, but it is a direct result 00:33:35.620 --> 00:33:36.340 - of you know 00:33:36.340 --> 00:33:42.580 - Bloomington is an expensive place to live there are quite a few people in the county would love the 00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:44.020 - opportunity to be able to 00:33:44.020 --> 00:33:47.380 - Contribute to in a positive way to the city 00:33:47.380 --> 00:33:59.060 - I think my initial appreciate all the research and uh information help us think about this. Um my 00:33:59.060 --> 00:33:59.620 - prior 00:33:59.620 --> 00:34:02.500 - input on it had been that I 00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:07.060 - My gut was to prefer a uniform approach and it seems like that's really not feasible 00:34:07.060 --> 00:34:09.460 - for a variety of reasons 00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:12.660 - Uh, and uh, see if it is like a uniform 00:34:12.660 --> 00:34:18.370 - Approach that would be to like a subset of commissions for which we ultimately decided like this is 00:34:18.370 --> 00:34:18.900 - a good idea 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:23.500 - Maybe maybe just like five or six but like still taking maybe the same approach with those five or 00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:24.420 - six or whatever it is 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.300 - um, so that's one 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:29.540 - takeaway, uh, I think y'all 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:33.460 - Present i'm calling case for my camera each apply under rule 00:34:33.460 --> 00:34:35.620 - um 00:34:35.620 --> 00:34:41.100 - Second, I like I share some of the thoughts we shared by uh, for the great members and I i'm sure 00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:42.020 - that makes mine on this 00:34:42.020 --> 00:34:44.900 - And I think it may be another reason why some case-by-case 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.620 - situation is 00:34:47.620 --> 00:34:52.980 - I do have some hesitancy at times with 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:56.020 - when we have political units 00:34:57.140 --> 00:35:01.050 - For a reason the same way we don't let an indiana resident serve on an Illinois redistricting 00:35:01.050 --> 00:35:02.020 - commission or something 00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:06.100 - right, which is like that's a different context it's stating much more stark, but like 00:35:06.100 --> 00:35:11.540 - You know, there's always a case to be made for neighbors having employed and and so I guess 00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:15.630 - I do get a little wrapped up in that sometimes okay, you know, it depends a little bit on the 00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:16.100 - subject matter 00:35:16.100 --> 00:35:18.180 - it depends and I think ours is kind of innocuous and 00:35:18.180 --> 00:35:23.380 - The most uh, like not but not to say it's significant but just like that's not an area where I have 00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:24.180 - a lot of concern about 00:35:24.740 --> 00:35:27.620 - county, uh, resident participation also like 00:35:27.620 --> 00:35:33.060 - Some of those concerns are probably mostly in the realm of the euro and not the practical 00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:37.860 - uh, so I might feel bad too, which all of which to say those are kind of my thoughts on it. I 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:40.820 - I'm curious. Yeah, I think through 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:45.820 - With me like what what a good next step would be uh to advance this conversation also curious if 00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:47.540 - the decision from the mayor's office is still 00:35:47.540 --> 00:35:53.300 - What I haven't showed last meeting to be sort of a uniform opposition to this 00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.220 - um, but 00:35:55.220 --> 00:35:57.220 - It should be around so 00:35:57.220 --> 00:35:59.540 - as a legal matter 00:35:59.540 --> 00:36:01.540 - We didn't see a reason why? 00:36:01.540 --> 00:36:04.020 - and county appointment 00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:07.860 - Could be added on the voteability in part submission. I mean, that's kind of where 00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:10.260 - this started 00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:17.230 - Um, and you have the commission telling you it seems that like the pool within the city isn't big 00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:17.860 - enough 00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:22.440 - To potentially come along with appropriate candidates 00:36:23.540 --> 00:36:24.740 - They say that 00:36:24.740 --> 00:36:27.940 - No, I would say in our experience i'm on the committee that it reads with arts commission 00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:31.540 - They didn't quite the opposite actually like we arts commission is consistently a commission 00:36:31.540 --> 00:36:32.660 - commission with them 00:36:32.660 --> 00:36:35.460 - A lot of high quality applicants have a lot of interest 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.260 - Uh, that's true. Maybe with some other commissions. Um 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:42.890 - But I think it's about the perspectives. It's my understanding. Okay, but I thought there was a 00:36:42.890 --> 00:36:44.440 - reason why they were supporting 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:49.300 - Including a county. Yeah, I think some of the well 00:36:50.020 --> 00:36:54.840 - They expressly, um named affordability as a barrier to access for some folks living in the city. So 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:56.100 - like I think it was about diversifying 00:36:56.100 --> 00:37:01.060 - Uh the pool of potential applicants in the interest of getting more perspectives 00:37:01.060 --> 00:37:02.660 - um 00:37:02.660 --> 00:37:06.260 - but I just wanted to know that's sustained from whether or not we have 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:10.500 - An adequate number of qualified in interest of that thing. Yeah, I think 00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:16.100 - But if you if you want to add a county involvement to the commission 00:37:17.300 --> 00:37:20.020 - I didn't see anything, you know across that 00:37:20.020 --> 00:37:28.260 - Right, and it doesn't seem like they're handling city funds, for example large amounts 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:34.420 - What do you mean? Are they the deciding entity or a recommending entity on grants? Uh 00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:40.260 - I don't think that's the same thing, but 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:44.740 - Again, it's not like public works. Yes 00:37:45.540 --> 00:37:49.060 - um, I was gonna add to I think 00:37:49.060 --> 00:37:54.690 - one of the things that I remember hearing from watching the discussions kind of going back and 00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:59.060 - forth with them is that they're very particular, um, and 00:37:59.060 --> 00:38:04.740 - The voices that are coming in and so they have a niche for somebody who? 00:38:04.740 --> 00:38:07.620 - Um is very good in music 00:38:07.620 --> 00:38:12.100 - They are trying to look for another person who is good in 00:38:12.660 --> 00:38:19.380 - You know different types of arts, so to speak. So they're trying to get like a wide diverse 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:21.940 - background of all 00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:23.700 - types of 00:38:23.700 --> 00:38:29.540 - um affiliates with the arts community and in particular again their conversation is 00:38:29.540 --> 00:38:34.820 - That because they are doing the arts project with the upcoming Bloomington slash Monroe county 00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:36.660 - convention center expansion 00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:41.460 - Um, they thought that having that kind of input could 00:38:41.620 --> 00:38:43.940 - Be a best practice so to speak 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:46.420 - um for a person 00:38:46.420 --> 00:38:48.580 - from accounting to give 00:38:48.580 --> 00:38:50.340 - employee 00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:54.820 - And so instead of given, you know that particular individual voting privilege 00:38:54.820 --> 00:38:58.740 - It was thought of as maybe you can add an advisory suite 00:38:58.740 --> 00:39:05.140 - Julie's do you have anything to add from the second half of this? Sure, should I come on? Yeah, 00:39:05.140 --> 00:39:06.020 - thanks. 00:39:06.180 --> 00:39:08.180 - Yeah 00:39:08.180 --> 00:39:23.220 - Uh, hi everyone i'm felix mitchell, uh the mayor obviously a specialist is my title 00:39:23.220 --> 00:39:30.940 - So yeah me I actually didn't know that christy and jennifer were working on this document and it's 00:39:30.940 --> 00:39:31.540 - great 00:39:31.540 --> 00:39:34.500 - I've just been briefed me a little bit but um 00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:38.580 - Yeah, as far as the mayor's opinion, it's 00:39:38.580 --> 00:39:41.940 - I wouldn't say it's a blanket from no one any 00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:45.220 - Uh county it was just I think the idea was 00:39:45.220 --> 00:39:51.300 - Adding a county resident to every single boarding commission seemed a little much but if the 00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:52.740 - council were to take a 00:39:52.740 --> 00:39:58.570 - Looking at each one individual if I don't think there's a blanket no in place as far as something 00:39:58.570 --> 00:39:59.220 - like that 00:39:59.220 --> 00:40:01.860 - um, I can also speak to the 00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:05.940 - The Wilmington art school a little bit because I kind of interviewed for that 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:11.560 - Vacancy and I said there was there was an abundance actually of really qualified candidates, which 00:40:11.560 --> 00:40:12.580 - is a great problem to have 00:40:12.580 --> 00:40:16.660 - But uh, so it's sort of a shame how many those we had to say 00:40:16.660 --> 00:40:22.980 - How many good Africans we got so that if that's the concern as far as filling vacancies 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:28.100 - I think the Wilmington art space just had a unique and a big a lot of really qualified people 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:35.730 - For the people. So that's my take on that given that I've interviewed for those spots. So i'm 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:36.420 - familiar with that 00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:46.660 - So that's I guess the extended it would be like if we were to look at visa from a from an 00:40:46.660 --> 00:40:48.340 - individual perspective 00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:50.500 - I don't know if the mayor has a 00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:53.220 - I don't know one to say on that 00:40:53.220 --> 00:40:56.100 - But yeah 00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:58.100 - Um 00:40:58.100 --> 00:41:03.220 - You're welcome to stay there 00:41:03.220 --> 00:41:06.500 - And if you have any other questions that i've just 00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:08.740 - forgot some 00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:10.740 - touch on 00:41:10.740 --> 00:41:15.460 - So, um, do you have any I guess i'm going to ask everybody 00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:22.110 - What about this idea of um advisory now so they're not voting but they get to be part of the 00:41:22.110 --> 00:41:22.820 - conversation 00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:24.900 - um 00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:30.600 - That may be a way to approach these bodies like the arts commission that do handle city funds 00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:37.460 - Which is the point of contention with the mayor and maybe some of us I don't know 00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:41.300 - Um, but they can have still have input 00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:43.940 - from people who don't know something else 00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:47.380 - Thoughts 00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:52.580 - Does anyone ever turn down an advisory position? I know when I manage them they have 00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.780 - So the commission on Hispanic and not too many fairs 00:41:55.780 --> 00:42:01.380 - Someone did not want to be an advisor in an advisory seat. It was a council appointment 00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:03.940 - This was years ago, but didn't 00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:05.780 - Recently, you know 00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:07.700 - Usually I see the opposite 00:42:07.700 --> 00:42:13.540 - Um, we always see an hdc and chla are two prime examples because those are ones that have 00:42:13.540 --> 00:42:18.280 - advisory seats if a council appointment is starting off advisory 00:42:18.980 --> 00:42:25.190 - If there is a bonus week today immediately we'll try to switch to see it as if I get stuck in the 00:42:25.190 --> 00:42:25.380 - door 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:35.140 - Yeah, I mean I I see that because I wrote down are there two tiers of service then like somebody's 00:42:35.140 --> 00:42:35.780 - doing 00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:39.220 - The work going on meetings reading packets and everything, but they don't 00:42:39.220 --> 00:42:44.900 - Yeah, that would be my one concern. I just was putting myself in those shoes and thinking 00:42:46.180 --> 00:42:48.660 - How do I feel about something like that? 00:42:48.660 --> 00:42:54.180 - Yeah, I don't know if you're interested to talk to folks who've served in advisory, uh capacity 00:42:54.180 --> 00:42:57.950 - We have a few examples of this including the start preservation commission as well. I'm just 00:42:57.950 --> 00:42:59.700 - getting better opinions about it 00:42:59.700 --> 00:43:02.500 - My guys didn't practice 00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:07.220 - Uh, including experience serving on commissions like it things operate 00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:12.340 - It's rare that like you're having to vote where it's going to be like a six five vote and like 00:43:12.340 --> 00:43:13.780 - somebody not having to vote like 00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:18.500 - Change the outcome like it's much more input discussion consensus base 00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:25.460 - Then the practical aspect of an advisory seat in most cases or in many cases will be 00:43:25.460 --> 00:43:28.100 - Almost indistinguishable. Um 00:43:28.100 --> 00:43:33.430 - And that I do like that, you know, maybe has its safeguards against some of the concerns if there 00:43:33.430 --> 00:43:35.540 - are finances or things like that 00:43:35.540 --> 00:43:37.300 - um 00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:41.380 - And it's not we do have other examples. That's not just on boards of commission, but that conceptually 00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:42.820 - you have you know, we have the 00:43:43.940 --> 00:43:48.840 - The county uh surveyor sits on the planning machine as an advisory no strike. It's nice to see a 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.140 - role 00:43:49.140 --> 00:43:53.080 - I serve on the utility service board, but it's it's a non-voting advisory role in order to have 00:43:53.080 --> 00:43:54.020 - council, you know 00:43:54.020 --> 00:43:59.300 - um lays on essentially an input at times and that kind of thing so it's not 00:43:59.300 --> 00:44:03.060 - Novel you never unique in the 00:44:03.060 --> 00:44:08.100 - In the realm of government, I guess to take this type of approach where there are reasons why 00:44:08.100 --> 00:44:12.100 - Take a member of a political constituency, uh 00:44:12.980 --> 00:44:15.300 - Government being political unit, uh that you know 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:20.550 - They might take that approach. So my only concern with it is it's a yes that it's a committee a 00:44:20.550 --> 00:44:20.900 - little 00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:24.820 - I don't know. It's unwieldy. It sounds like jennifer you were saying that it's actually pretty 00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:30.340 - Manageable, you know and like clearly communicated so I could see potential for challenges there 00:44:30.340 --> 00:44:33.540 - But people not knowing it or you know, there's lots of stuff that could be communicated and 00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:34.180 - administered 00:44:34.180 --> 00:44:39.060 - Well, I think that's probably yeah fine. I think and I think you're absolutely right 00:44:39.060 --> 00:44:42.260 - Usually when we're reaching out to people 00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:48.260 - And i'm scheduled an interview so people hang their seat and it is this type of seat 00:44:48.260 --> 00:44:54.740 - Um, and so I think that is also gone over again when the committee is interviewing the person 00:44:54.740 --> 00:44:58.280 - And then once again when the person is actually appointed 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:03.160 - All of my letters that I send out to everybody specifies 00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:06.260 - Is this a voting seat or is this an advisory seat? 00:45:06.260 --> 00:45:11.460 - And if it's a voting seat, you have voting privileges if it's an advisory seat you have 00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:19.140 - Non-voting you know, so we're pretty clear. I would be shocked if anybody was like I didn't know 00:45:19.140 --> 00:45:21.940 - Maybe you weren't listening 00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:28.260 - But at least about two to three different times before we get to that final stage 00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:33.860 - And they're very clear to an individual that this is the seat that you're going for 00:45:33.860 --> 00:45:37.300 - And on that note, you've done a lot of work too with onboard 00:45:37.300 --> 00:45:42.820 - So someone applying would see that the vacancy is a voting non-voting advisory. Correct 00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:49.520 - Yeah, the one thing that this is like the mayor's opinion this is fine just because I work with 00:45:49.520 --> 00:45:51.540 - these boards and commissions a lot is 00:45:51.540 --> 00:45:53.060 - um 00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:55.060 - sometimes the 00:45:55.060 --> 00:46:00.260 - Like that I would assume as if I were to serve on one of these boards and commissions and advisory 00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:00.820 - work rule 00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:05.540 - Now we're seeing a voting seat open up. We would think this is sort of like a pathway to that 00:46:05.540 --> 00:46:06.100 - voting scene 00:46:06.660 --> 00:46:10.260 - Um, and this might just be my brain thinking like what could go wrong? 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:15.060 - but the idea that you might see that pathway like not explicitly but like sort of 00:46:15.060 --> 00:46:20.820 - Uh, it's sort of implied and then if say this advisor's seat is appointed by council and then they're 00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:22.180 - maybe the mayor does not 00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:24.260 - want to apply to a voting seat 00:46:24.260 --> 00:46:29.950 - I can see like some potential of sort of discontentment there where you would you would assume it's 00:46:29.950 --> 00:46:30.260 - like 00:46:30.260 --> 00:46:36.020 - Clear movement for the advisory of voting, but it might not always be the case. So I just 00:46:36.980 --> 00:46:42.090 - Like the more advisory seats the more potential that this might happen. I would say that it should 00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:43.620 - always serve a purpose 00:46:43.620 --> 00:46:47.220 - You know I have 00:46:47.220 --> 00:46:52.740 - We are pretty explicit in our 00:46:52.740 --> 00:46:58.820 - interview committees about like what it means to even have an advisory seat and how like there's a 00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:00.820 - possibility that they would be 00:47:00.820 --> 00:47:03.940 - bumped up into a voting seat, but that like 00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:10.250 - Our and especially because like there are two different branches that are making appointments that 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:11.460 - were very explicit like 00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:15.380 - This is the seat that we're like, this is the seat that you're interviewing for 00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:21.380 - The other seat has a completely different process and it doesn't give you a leg up but having the 00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:22.500 - experience might help 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:24.980 - But it's not a confirmation 00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:29.060 - So we just did that with jerry barrett for the historic preservation commission 00:47:29.060 --> 00:47:31.860 - Everyday, yeah 00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:35.380 - Yeah 00:47:35.380 --> 00:47:44.570 - On which bodies currently have advisory seats the hpc and um the commission on hispanic and latin 00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:45.140 - air bears 00:47:45.140 --> 00:47:48.100 - Just those two 00:47:48.100 --> 00:47:58.500 - This is a section of the code that describes what an advisory seat is that's 00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:01.140 - Jennifer does it make sense? No 00:48:03.140 --> 00:48:05.140 - Because I think I looked at this 00:48:05.140 --> 00:48:07.860 - when I was trying to figure out how 00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:13.620 - All of this council appointment seats for the hpc were advisory seats 00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:15.380 - so 00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:20.980 - And it talks about how we can have like council behind them more than four advisory seats, but it 00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:21.860 - doesn't really go 00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:26.740 - It I think you definitely should explain that which is another 00:48:26.740 --> 00:48:29.540 - update 00:48:30.100 --> 00:48:36.020 - For the hpc, I think it's that way because for state code the mayor appoints them all correct 00:48:36.020 --> 00:48:38.660 - I don't know if that's the only way to get 00:48:38.660 --> 00:48:46.580 - And then for the chla how many seats on 00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:54.420 - We'll think about three let me go back to see we are multiple like that. Yeah, there's more there's 00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:57.540 - multiple seats. However, um, not 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:04.420 - All of the council seats and going here. We got one two 00:49:04.420 --> 00:49:10.020 - Five five council seats two advisory seats 00:49:10.020 --> 00:49:18.170 - So five voting council or five total seats on that are appointed by the council three that are 00:49:18.170 --> 00:49:20.200 - voting and two that are advising 00:49:25.940 --> 00:49:32.340 - Does anybody know the history of the advisor seats on the hispanic and that's the name first 00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:40.460 - Did you say two voting and three advising I know the other way around so three voting and two 00:49:40.460 --> 00:49:41.060 - advising 00:49:41.060 --> 00:49:49.860 - And I tried to do research on this by looking at um ordinances from years past and I couldn't find 00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.220 - it with them like 00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:59.300 - I'm sure obviously there's a wrong reason for somebody to go to something but I couldn't tap into 00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:01.940 - the reason 00:50:01.940 --> 00:50:08.340 - So how would you how would you all like to proceed with with this 00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:14.100 - We could have 00:50:14.100 --> 00:50:17.140 - Two people 00:50:17.140 --> 00:50:20.180 - Work on it and bring up the proposal next time as far as 00:50:21.940 --> 00:50:27.540 - Which missions might might have advisory seats or or we can just put it 00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:30.420 - We can just further discuss it. I don't know how 00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:35.700 - Christine is um 00:50:35.700 --> 00:50:40.120 - Do we already essentially through your research have a subset of the boards of commissions for 00:50:40.120 --> 00:50:42.260 - which this might be a good question 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:44.980 - That we could kind of you know, yeah 00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:46.980 - Yeah 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:53.620 - Asked about this, um, maybe uh something like putting it into a spreadsheet or just like 00:50:53.620 --> 00:50:58.340 - Overview of all or some commission and what we identified like 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:04.580 - Yeah, it seems like we need to have a handle on like is it this is an eight commissions 11 00:51:04.580 --> 00:51:09.380 - What is it and and once we've got a narrow narrow the set then we can have these figure out 00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:11.540 - Yeah, probably a uniform approach to 00:51:11.940 --> 00:51:17.380 - Engaging them all to ask whether but then form the model we've been thinking and ask them whether 00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:20.740 - Uh, you know their thoughts are about it. Uh, 00:51:20.740 --> 00:51:26.180 - That's going to be the spot that the body state commissions change over time with their makeup 00:51:26.180 --> 00:51:30.620 - Ultimately, it's you know our responsibility to decide which you don't vote but that could help the 00:51:30.620 --> 00:51:30.820 - forum 00:51:30.820 --> 00:51:33.860 - Because there might be unique 00:51:33.860 --> 00:51:39.190 - Vantage is the submissions have to send the arts to machine for wires so that I can go about it. 00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:39.300 - Yeah 00:51:40.340 --> 00:51:45.940 - Yeah, there's several three or four reports and commissions and we identify which potentially 00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:46.660 - without 00:51:46.660 --> 00:51:50.020 - resident department currently and um 00:51:50.020 --> 00:51:56.500 - Maybe like not that city specific or regarding city findings 00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:58.980 - Just very important. Yeah 00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:01.220 - Yeah, or yeah 00:52:01.220 --> 00:52:02.420 - so 00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:04.420 - Not much 00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:07.140 - That's manageable 00:52:07.620 --> 00:52:09.620 - Yeah 00:52:09.620 --> 00:52:12.500 - Yeah 00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:14.980 - From agreement, yeah 00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:18.980 - I like I like I do like the idea of reaching out to those specific 00:52:18.980 --> 00:52:24.260 - Uh boards and commissions to get their feedback up. What's your unique? 00:52:24.260 --> 00:52:28.980 - Perspective 00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:33.940 - So what happens when someone lives in the city and then moves to the county 00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.500 - Uh 00:52:36.500 --> 00:52:39.780 - I guess vice versa wouldn't matter as much 00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:44.100 - That's the question I mean I think we should 00:52:44.100 --> 00:52:52.180 - Ten years on yeah, but I would agree in response. Okay, so now I mean 00:52:52.180 --> 00:52:59.300 - Yeah, and and the the Bloomington municipal code says 00:52:59.300 --> 00:53:03.220 - You have to be a city resident 00:53:03.540 --> 00:53:08.500 - And what does it say? Does it address the question of if you move? No, no, no 00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:14.500 - Right 00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:26.980 - Actually code does specify what needs to happen 00:53:26.980 --> 00:53:28.740 - Uh 00:53:28.740 --> 00:53:32.180 - Again murder here. Um, I haven't already pulled up 00:53:32.180 --> 00:53:36.180 - So in that weird wonky spot under executive branch general provisions 00:53:36.180 --> 00:53:41.940 - It does say in the event of a board of a member of a board commission our council no longer resides 00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:42.500 - in the city 00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:47.300 - The member shall resign immediately and notify the appropriate appointed official or by them 00:53:47.300 --> 00:53:54.020 - Um, so it is specified just in that weird spot that we discussed earlier. What number is it in here? 00:53:54.020 --> 00:53:58.820 - Um, it is number it's after the uh residential requirement number three 00:53:58.820 --> 00:54:01.700 - Oh, I see it 00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:06.340 - And this comes up periodically. Oh even in the year that i've been 00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:13.110 - Council attorney and just this year i've communicated today with different board of commission 00:54:13.110 --> 00:54:15.060 - members on this very topic 00:54:15.060 --> 00:54:18.980 - So 00:54:18.980 --> 00:54:20.980 - for next time we could 00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:24.820 - We could just have the list of the three or four 00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:28.020 - Uh where a county 00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:34.340 - And then maybe we could add a proposal 00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:36.900 - to move 00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:38.900 - this this general provisions 00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:41.700 - about 00:54:41.700 --> 00:54:43.700 - board and commission members 00:54:43.700 --> 00:54:45.780 - into um 00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:47.780 - chapter two 00:54:47.780 --> 00:54:50.100 - What 12? 00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:01.540 - We can talk about it to really sure does that sound like a good plan 00:55:01.540 --> 00:55:04.340 - Next time then we can talk about this 00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:07.300 - next time 00:55:07.300 --> 00:55:11.780 - And then you want to be included. Yeah, that's what i'm just about to say like yeah as my role 00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:18.660 - Um with communication outreach i've typically tried to reach out. Well, typically I do um reach out 00:55:18.660 --> 00:55:19.540 - to um 00:55:19.540 --> 00:55:26.900 - Staff liaisons and whatnot. I can take that if there's only three or four and can work with christine 00:55:27.140 --> 00:55:28.020 - um 00:55:28.020 --> 00:55:31.860 - and anybody rather for like to let people know what they 00:55:31.860 --> 00:55:35.220 - What thoughts are in terms of opening? 00:55:35.220 --> 00:55:37.860 - um a particular seat of two 00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.820 - and a county advisor 00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:43.540 - You can advise them to or ask me 00:55:43.540 --> 00:55:45.540 - So 00:55:45.540 --> 00:56:09.940 - Okay, so 00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:13.060 - Let's move on to public comment on this item 00:56:13.060 --> 00:56:14.580 - Um 00:56:14.580 --> 00:56:16.580 - That's the next thing 00:56:16.580 --> 00:56:24.340 - Is there any public comment on the topic of city residency requirements for service on doors and caches? 00:56:24.340 --> 00:56:30.820 - Somebody else in the room any hands online 00:56:30.820 --> 00:56:40.500 - All right, well let's move on to city council staff processes and I think um, there was some 00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:42.020 - information in the packet 00:56:42.740 --> 00:56:45.540 - I think the goal is just to have us better understand 00:56:45.540 --> 00:56:47.700 - um all the 00:56:47.700 --> 00:56:50.980 - Work that goes into preparing for meetings and such 00:56:50.980 --> 00:56:52.980 - um 00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:54.740 - So who wants to? 00:56:54.740 --> 00:56:57.700 - Yes, like you wanted to I spoke I referred to 00:56:57.700 --> 00:57:00.020 - this topic 00:57:00.020 --> 00:57:04.900 - when I gave the department's budget presentation to council 00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:08.580 - um, and I referred to it as we 00:57:09.540 --> 00:57:14.660 - Increase requirements for meeting support and meeting preparation 00:57:14.660 --> 00:57:18.260 - So we've prepared this to 00:57:18.260 --> 00:57:20.980 - three biggest big page list 00:57:20.980 --> 00:57:23.540 - of the different steps needed to 00:57:23.540 --> 00:57:26.740 - To organize a meeting 00:57:26.740 --> 00:57:28.820 - and those steps occur 00:57:28.820 --> 00:57:33.940 - before during and after the meeting within the last year 00:57:34.740 --> 00:57:42.690 - These have have increased due to changes in in the loss and also we've added steps to be more 00:57:42.690 --> 00:57:43.480 - transparent 00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.940 - in terms of 00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:48.900 - Uh putting presentation materials online before meeting 00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:51.940 - um, or if somebody 00:57:51.940 --> 00:57:55.060 - Handsome to us during the meeting then after the meeting 00:57:55.060 --> 00:57:57.700 - We make those available 00:57:57.700 --> 00:57:58.980 - online 00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:00.420 - so 00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:03.620 - I think these are steps that happen behind the scenes 00:58:03.860 --> 00:58:05.780 - so it 00:58:05.780 --> 00:58:10.340 - Unless you work in the office or in the clerk's office. You're not aware of them 00:58:10.340 --> 00:58:18.340 - um, but I I provide those we provide those in this meeting to to raise awareness about them 00:58:18.340 --> 00:58:23.380 - as I mentioned during my presentation we're starting 00:58:23.380 --> 00:58:25.860 - to 00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:30.360 - Identify possible ways that we can make this more efficient 00:58:31.780 --> 00:58:35.460 - The steps are required whether the meeting lasts 20 minutes or two hours 00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:38.340 - um, and so 00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:42.340 - And we'll probably 00:58:42.340 --> 00:58:46.020 - Uh be speaking in in future meetings potentially 00:58:46.020 --> 00:58:48.740 - about ideas 00:58:48.740 --> 00:58:55.460 - um to perhaps make this work more efficient and effective in an effort to 00:58:55.460 --> 00:59:00.980 - Uh reduce staff time so that we can work in other areas in some respects 00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:07.610 - Um, we've become a victim of our own success in terms of transparency because we do spend a lot of 00:59:07.610 --> 00:59:08.100 - time 00:59:08.100 --> 00:59:10.820 - making materials 00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:13.380 - transparent 00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:15.380 - Which benefits the public? 00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:22.980 - Um, hopefully we can find a way that makes that more efficient than what we're currently doing 00:59:22.980 --> 00:59:27.220 - This this list does not include 00:59:27.220 --> 00:59:30.820 - accessibility 00:59:31.060 --> 00:59:36.520 - Different tasks that we need to perform to make documents accessible 00:59:36.520 --> 00:59:41.060 - And we've started really to work on that in earnest 00:59:41.060 --> 00:59:44.180 - within the last month 00:59:44.180 --> 00:59:46.980 - to five weeks 00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:49.620 - And that's something the accessibility component is something 00:59:49.620 --> 00:59:51.140 - of 00:59:51.140 --> 00:59:54.580 - will explain more about in the future because 00:59:56.180 --> 01:00:03.220 - That will affect council in terms of policies potentially that council might need to adopt 01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:04.820 - regarding 01:00:04.820 --> 01:00:06.100 - um 01:00:06.100 --> 01:00:06.900 - What? 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:13.540 - Form of documents we receive before meeting whether they're accessible when we receive them 01:00:13.540 --> 01:00:17.700 - Um, I think we'll have to set certain requirements on that 01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:21.000 - Because the law will hold council responsible 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.940 - Uh for it 01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:27.220 - um, and this list doesn't include 01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:30.020 - also 01:00:30.020 --> 01:00:33.140 - The various steps that we go through 01:00:33.140 --> 01:00:37.220 - For the packet preparation 01:00:37.220 --> 01:00:45.400 - Colleagues started a really helpful and informative list of instructions 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.740 - That we use internally and how to 01:00:48.740 --> 01:00:51.460 - make documents 01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:54.340 - out how to prepare a packet 01:00:54.340 --> 01:01:00.020 - And uh, it's what christine may be points. I'm sorry. Yeah around 30 pages pages 01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:03.940 - Um, so you know, it's quite a process 01:01:03.940 --> 01:01:07.000 - Um, and and we do it. It's certainly doable 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:08.500 - um 01:01:08.500 --> 01:01:10.500 - But it does add 01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:12.820 - to our workflow 01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:15.220 - Is there anything we'd like to 01:01:15.220 --> 01:01:20.900 - Yeah on christine, um, I think we're probably covered everything. Um, just 01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:26.570 - One thing additionally what i'm thinking like is to create templates what the accessibility 01:01:26.570 --> 01:01:29.620 - requirements under are being looking on so 01:01:29.620 --> 01:01:35.220 - Um, and then our second portfolio file is currently preparing like potential 01:01:35.220 --> 01:01:36.500 - um 01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:44.340 - just templates for like agenda or like cleaning the notice or um legislations ordinances or 01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:46.180 - resolutions, so 01:01:46.180 --> 01:01:51.780 - Um, hopefully those were like maybe that's more efficient on varying these meetings 01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:58.410 - And also, um, we are identifying to identify some of the deadlines internally for like maybe 01:01:58.410 --> 01:01:59.220 - submitting 01:01:59.220 --> 01:02:06.100 - um different kind of materials like for example presentation slides and legislation materials and 01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:06.500 - um, 01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:08.740 - maybe other 01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:10.580 - reports or 01:02:10.580 --> 01:02:11.540 - additional 01:02:11.540 --> 01:02:16.580 - Meeting documents from different entities. Yeah, so these are some 01:02:16.580 --> 01:02:20.500 - Possibilities that we've been discussing and but then she was 01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:26.260 - A lot would christy talks about templates. She's speaking about 01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:32.980 - Um a particular time template that in itself in and of itself is accessible 01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:38.900 - Um, and in fact, um, I met with corporation council last week 01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:47.340 - Suggesting that our office make those available to the legal department to use when they prepare an 01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:48.680 - ordinance or a resolution 01:02:48.680 --> 01:02:52.580 - Um, you can also share those with other departments, too 01:02:52.580 --> 01:02:58.340 - Like the planning staff, for example, um, so 01:02:58.340 --> 01:03:01.380 - We're happy to 01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:07.620 - Have other departments benefit from these templates that we're preparing as well. It may say them 01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:13.140 - There are different layers to the accessibility you start out with the template 01:03:13.140 --> 01:03:15.860 - and then 01:03:15.860 --> 01:03:17.860 - You apply different applications 01:03:17.860 --> 01:03:21.400 - When you're actually preparing the specific document 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:26.980 - Okay 01:03:26.980 --> 01:03:32.820 - So we don't need our any action from the committee at this point 01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:35.860 - simply wanted to 01:03:35.860 --> 01:03:38.580 - Start the the conversation about this 01:03:38.580 --> 01:03:40.580 - process 01:03:40.580 --> 01:03:42.340 - I think 01:03:42.340 --> 01:03:48.020 - We'll put accessibility on the next meeting agenda just to describe 01:03:48.020 --> 01:03:51.380 - What this new law entails? 01:03:51.380 --> 01:03:55.560 - It goes into effect in april in 2026 01:03:55.560 --> 01:04:02.180 - As a result of that, like I said, I think we'll need to prepare 01:04:02.180 --> 01:04:05.560 - uh some policy proposals 01:04:06.580 --> 01:04:09.460 - For council ultimately to review 01:04:09.460 --> 01:04:12.100 - um 01:04:12.100 --> 01:04:15.140 - And you know, maybe maybe adopt we'll have to think through that 01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:18.340 - Okay 01:04:18.340 --> 01:04:19.140 - um 01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:24.770 - That would then become part of the administrative manual we're envisioning as we move through title 01:04:24.770 --> 01:04:25.060 - two 01:04:25.060 --> 01:04:28.020 - Yes, but you for example 01:04:28.020 --> 01:04:35.140 - Uh, we need I I think council should have a policy in place that would apply to third parties 01:04:35.780 --> 01:04:37.940 - Who want to present materials? 01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:40.580 - um 01:04:40.580 --> 01:04:46.850 - In fairness to council and to the public those should be presented to us in a format that is 01:04:46.850 --> 01:04:48.040 - already accessible 01:04:48.040 --> 01:04:54.440 - So that we are not burdened with doing a remediation for each of those documents 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.980 - And then I ultimately I would foresee 01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:05.140 - Uh, and we've already started this um a section on council one of council's 01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:06.660 - um 01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:08.660 - webpages that identifies 01:05:08.660 --> 01:05:11.140 - various policies 01:05:11.140 --> 01:05:17.560 - Including the accessibility policies, uh, and we've been speaking, um with the office of the mayor 01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:19.380 - with respect to the website 01:05:19.380 --> 01:05:21.940 - um 01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:24.420 - But what are you calling that now to release the 01:05:24.420 --> 01:05:27.380 - website overhaul what 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:29.620 - Are you talking about this like level c? 01:05:29.620 --> 01:05:32.260 - Yes 01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:37.860 - No, we're working we're working with the office of the mayor to 01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:42.340 - Improve council's website, but I think it's a city-wide 01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:48.420 - Uh project not just with council's office. It's a rebate review. Yes 01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:57.220 - Yeah, I was just going to say like looking at this too, um, the only thing that I would add 01:05:57.220 --> 01:06:01.620 - Um, I would be remiss if I went and say that like the first part 01:06:02.100 --> 01:06:04.340 - of the this document here 01:06:04.340 --> 01:06:11.990 - Definitely has like clerk's office also does a lot of this stuff too. So like case in point today's 01:06:11.990 --> 01:06:12.420 - meeting 01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:18.180 - Um the ccp and then when it comes to the interview committees 01:06:18.180 --> 01:06:21.540 - that's definitely something to consider because 01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:26.820 - I've been trying to brainstorm and thinking I think christine and I talked about this briefly, but 01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:28.100 - we said that's another 01:06:28.100 --> 01:06:30.580 - hurdle for another day, um 01:06:30.580 --> 01:06:32.660 - To think about this when it comes down 01:06:32.660 --> 01:06:38.900 - Uh comes to um the interview process for boards and commissions because that's it. That's 01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:44.020 - I'll be honest that has been the most in the four years i've been doing this. Um 01:06:44.020 --> 01:06:50.740 - This year has been the most challenging year with respect to doing a lot of the interviewing 01:06:50.740 --> 01:06:52.420 - process and scheduling all of that 01:06:52.420 --> 01:06:55.860 - um, it's been time consuming because 01:06:55.860 --> 01:07:00.020 - We've been trying to figure out schedules for every single person 01:07:00.660 --> 01:07:06.680 - um trying to make sure that two people a respond back to you, um, and they actually show up in 01:07:06.680 --> 01:07:07.300 - person 01:07:07.300 --> 01:07:10.440 - But also when we are doing interviews 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.980 - We have to schedule all 01:07:12.980 --> 01:07:14.820 - everybody's schedule 01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:16.660 - um, so that 01:07:16.660 --> 01:07:18.660 - Is a daunting task 01:07:18.660 --> 01:07:20.660 - um, but I think that also could 01:07:20.660 --> 01:07:24.900 - Be healthily revised as well 01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:29.620 - Yeah, I thought of that too when I was looking at um 01:07:30.580 --> 01:07:37.060 - Um after council meetings as the clerk's office definitely plays a role then too, but we don't 01:07:37.060 --> 01:07:40.180 - Yeah, I usually don't think about it. Oh, we got that now. Yeah 01:07:40.180 --> 01:07:45.220 - I'm sure it's all 01:07:45.220 --> 01:07:51.010 - Goes directly to the record of amendments and I will say do appreciate council staff getting that 01:07:51.010 --> 01:07:51.540 - stuff to us 01:07:51.540 --> 01:07:59.010 - Perfectly because it's not necessarily always been the case, but it's worked well with the word and 01:07:59.010 --> 01:07:59.460 - yeah 01:07:59.700 --> 01:08:01.700 - And so maybe you're welcome 01:08:01.700 --> 01:08:07.300 - No, jennifer's right there there are steps at the beginning of this list for 01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:12.660 - um some uh council committees where the clerk's office 01:08:12.660 --> 01:08:15.380 - reserves, so they're all 01:08:15.380 --> 01:08:17.620 - gets the zoom right etc 01:08:17.620 --> 01:08:21.700 - It's a working project 01:08:21.700 --> 01:08:27.140 - Any questions or comments from the committee members? 01:08:28.100 --> 01:08:30.100 - Um 01:08:30.100 --> 01:08:34.740 - All right, thank you for sharing them for all your work you're welcome 01:08:34.740 --> 01:08:41.840 - All right, next item is order of business at regular sections of council allowing discussion of 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.180 - legislation at first reading 01:08:44.180 --> 01:08:53.220 - So in the packet, uh last document that's proposed 01:08:55.860 --> 01:08:58.900 - Provision of 2.04 like 300 01:08:58.900 --> 01:09:03.380 - To allow discussion at first reading 01:09:03.380 --> 01:09:08.660 - Um, I also 01:09:08.660 --> 01:09:11.300 - Excuse me, uh, I 01:09:11.300 --> 01:09:14.660 - Took a crack at it myself and just 01:09:14.660 --> 01:09:17.380 - Formatted it a little bit differently 01:09:17.380 --> 01:09:19.700 - um 01:09:19.700 --> 01:09:21.140 - so I 01:09:21.140 --> 01:09:25.380 - If you don't mind i'd like to share that it includes all the same language. I think 01:09:25.860 --> 01:09:27.380 - uh 01:09:27.380 --> 01:09:29.380 - See if I can 01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:32.740 - Share 01:09:32.740 --> 01:09:50.980 - Okay, so, um 01:09:55.060 --> 01:09:57.060 - Sorry 01:09:57.060 --> 01:10:05.380 - Okay, um 01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:11.540 - So I was looking at this like, uh 01:10:11.540 --> 01:10:13.780 - a 01:10:13.780 --> 01:10:17.000 - Is for ordinances and b is for resolutions 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:23.700 - And I think staff is kind of going at that that way too because you combined the old item b 01:10:24.180 --> 01:10:27.940 - And with a because that was all having to do with ordinances. Sure 01:10:27.940 --> 01:10:30.420 - um 01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:32.420 - so instead of uh 01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:37.220 - Starting with a dependent clause. I thought we could start with every ordinance 01:10:37.220 --> 01:10:43.620 - Um shall be given two readings before but maybe taking on this passage unless 01:10:43.620 --> 01:10:47.620 - There's unanimous consent of the members present to proceed to 01:10:47.620 --> 01:10:49.620 - oh 01:10:49.620 --> 01:10:51.620 - I don't know about such a vote 01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:54.340 - Proceed to they vote 01:10:54.340 --> 01:10:58.180 - After first reading in that case the two-thirds 01:10:58.180 --> 01:11:02.260 - Two-thirds vote all elected members is required to pass the blocks 01:11:02.260 --> 01:11:08.020 - So that's I believe that's the same language as in the staff version 01:11:08.020 --> 01:11:12.660 - Oh, sure. I'm sorry. I'm going to take a moment and see if I can make it 01:11:12.660 --> 01:11:17.060 - Does anyone know which is a full string? Yeah 01:11:21.140 --> 01:11:23.140 - That's fine, that's better 01:11:23.140 --> 01:11:32.660 - But the sentence starting with the two-thirds vote that is lifted from the indiana code 01:11:32.660 --> 01:11:38.340 - Um, I don't think there's an issue in changing 01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:42.100 - The the sequence of in the phrasing 01:11:42.100 --> 01:11:50.980 - The indiana code doesn't refer to first readings or second reading 01:11:51.860 --> 01:11:53.140 - um 01:11:53.140 --> 01:11:54.420 - that's 01:11:54.420 --> 01:11:55.380 - something 01:11:55.380 --> 01:12:00.100 - I mean intent is the same but in the indiana code there are references to 01:12:00.100 --> 01:12:04.900 - the date when legislation is introduced which is kind of 01:12:04.900 --> 01:12:06.660 - what 01:12:06.660 --> 01:12:10.740 - Bloomington refers to as first readings and that's not uncommon. There are other 01:12:10.740 --> 01:12:16.340 - Second class cities in particular where you use the term first readings. Yeah 01:12:19.700 --> 01:12:21.700 - Um 01:12:21.700 --> 01:12:23.700 - So then uh 01:12:23.700 --> 01:12:28.500 - Next uh text in black font importance 01:12:28.500 --> 01:12:32.660 - May be debated and amended at its first reading 01:12:32.660 --> 01:12:37.140 - And then I added added future readings just to be clear 01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:41.300 - Um 01:12:45.700 --> 01:12:50.100 - Substituting babies better. Yeah 01:12:50.100 --> 01:13:00.360 - And then that last sentence was just the old item b moved today 01:13:00.360 --> 01:13:11.780 - I I always took um, i'm sorry, please drop it. I always took um 01:13:13.140 --> 01:13:20.660 - The unanimous consent for title synopsis only to be as opposed to reading the ordinance in full 01:13:20.660 --> 01:13:23.300 - Which would be the default 01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:28.340 - Is that that was my like that's just what I was when I assumed that section of code met that like 01:13:28.340 --> 01:13:28.660 - we would 01:13:28.660 --> 01:13:34.340 - Actually read the whole ordinance unless all members said we're gonna do title synopsis on 01:13:34.340 --> 01:13:36.980 - um, I don't know if 01:13:36.980 --> 01:13:39.940 - That has an implication here with some of the edits made me think that wasn't a common 01:13:39.940 --> 01:13:40.340 - understanding 01:13:40.980 --> 01:13:43.780 - Oh my god, so I was curious. Yeah, in fact 01:13:43.780 --> 01:13:47.300 - We asked a similar question 01:13:47.300 --> 01:13:54.740 - Like what is the purpose of unanimous consent the thing that concerned me 01:13:54.740 --> 01:13:57.460 - um 01:13:57.460 --> 01:13:59.060 - was 01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:04.620 - If it has to be it makes it sound like there must be unanimous consent for anything to be 01:14:04.620 --> 01:14:05.540 - introduced 01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:13.400 - Like any one council member potentially that could could block um the introduction of legislation 01:14:13.400 --> 01:14:16.180 - by just voting no 01:14:16.180 --> 01:14:18.900 - Yeah, it's not definitely not that and never has been that and it is 01:14:18.900 --> 01:14:23.940 - It just doesn't actually specify what the alternative is if you don't have the unanimous consent 01:14:23.940 --> 01:14:24.580 - for title and 01:14:24.580 --> 01:14:29.140 - uh synopsis only and my assumption is that it's actually a full reading of the ordinance that's 01:14:29.140 --> 01:14:33.930 - And if somebody really wants it to be read in the record, you know, kind of people to hear what's 01:14:33.930 --> 01:14:34.980 - in this thing, you know 01:14:35.540 --> 01:14:39.840 - Um that like that was always the safeguard any one member could essentially demand with the 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:40.980 - ordinance be read full 01:14:40.980 --> 01:14:44.820 - Uh exercising that right if you don't 01:14:44.820 --> 01:14:58.280 - It's not in the indiana crowd, yeah, um, we we talked about that internally 01:14:58.280 --> 01:15:00.500 - um 01:15:00.500 --> 01:15:02.180 - as staff 01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:09.540 - So and I wanted to make sure today to point out this concept of unanimous consent and what it means 01:15:09.540 --> 01:15:12.180 - To you as council members 01:15:12.180 --> 01:15:20.260 - Yeah, i've always seen it where we use it, I mean in the same way the chair might um, 01:15:20.260 --> 01:15:23.700 - You know simply 01:15:23.700 --> 01:15:28.340 - Announce something that would normally be a vote for efficiency sake 01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:33.540 - Saying, you know provided their hands consent. I you know, I've already learned debate this way 01:15:33.540 --> 01:15:34.660 - something like that. It's just like 01:15:34.660 --> 01:15:36.740 - You know 01:15:36.740 --> 01:15:41.130 - It facilitates moving process along while protecting the rights of the minority viewpoint 01:15:41.130 --> 01:15:42.020 - essentially 01:15:42.020 --> 01:15:45.780 - And and that's I think like how it's always been used here as well and we do 01:15:45.780 --> 01:15:51.010 - I mean both properties, you know, you know, unanimous consent for that purpose and we've used it in 01:15:51.010 --> 01:15:51.460 - other 01:15:51.460 --> 01:15:54.080 - Conducts for that reason 01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:58.500 - So, I don't know if it's necessarily strictly we could just specify that um 01:15:59.220 --> 01:16:03.630 - Ordnances, you know should be read by title stops us only and that's just how we do it kind of 01:16:03.630 --> 01:16:04.340 - thing. That's 01:16:04.340 --> 01:16:07.220 - Right. Yes 01:16:07.220 --> 01:16:09.220 - um, I guess the 01:16:09.220 --> 01:16:12.180 - Keyword is in the old language is only 01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:17.140 - Read the ordinance by title only provided there's some things in son 01:16:17.140 --> 01:16:19.780 - which then 01:16:19.780 --> 01:16:23.780 - Leads to your interpretation that the alternative is to read all of them 01:16:24.820 --> 01:16:30.930 - But I don't thought that I'm curious if our problem has a perspective on that was how I was trained. 01:16:30.930 --> 01:16:31.060 - Yeah 01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:36.900 - It was not specified terms not solicit was the entire legislation 01:16:36.900 --> 01:16:44.330 - And you know in this discussion kind of leads into a consent agenda also because some 01:16:44.330 --> 01:16:45.960 - municipalities 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:51.080 - Will use consent agenda for first reading 01:16:52.040 --> 01:16:54.040 - Um 01:16:54.040 --> 01:16:57.480 - So I mean there are many different options 01:16:57.480 --> 01:17:00.760 - I assume they're not um 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.560 - Having any discussion of those items at first reading 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:09.720 - Is just being used for adoption. I need to go back and look at their 01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.760 - procedures 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:17.720 - But yes, I would assume there would be no discussion and of course, I think generally 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:19.720 - um 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:25.960 - One or more council members can take that legislation off of the consent agenda during 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:28.840 - If there needs to be 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.900 - discussion 01:17:30.900 --> 01:17:33.160 - Right 01:17:33.160 --> 01:17:38.760 - So then I add something here under the next section 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:41.960 - I don't know if it's necessary to add this but 01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:47.000 - The next section said that a majority vote of members shall be necessary to adopt any resolution 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.120 - order or ordinance 01:17:48.120 --> 01:17:50.120 - and 01:17:50.120 --> 01:17:51.640 - But we just said 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.440 - That you need two-thirds if it's introduced 01:17:54.440 --> 01:18:00.200 - And voted on the same night. So the ordinance is so so that's the state code requirement 01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:06.760 - Yes, right. So I said that here if there's a vote on ordinance on the same day or at the same 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:07.080 - meeting 01:18:07.080 --> 01:18:10.120 - I just repeated the language that we had in the oh 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:21.750 - All right, so we did that like two hours ago, so I haven't thought about that. I'm sorry about that. 01:18:21.750 --> 01:18:22.200 - So 01:18:22.200 --> 01:18:27.560 - Um, I don't know if there's uh 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:33.240 - If we should have staff review 01:18:33.240 --> 01:18:39.040 - My version if you just want to go with the version that's submitted or if we should just put this 01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:39.320 - off 01:18:40.280 --> 01:18:43.800 - I i'd like an opportunity to yes, that's good. Yeah 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:48.840 - Do other committee members think it's worthwhile for 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:55.910 - Us to consider them an inversion just as long staff release it first. We'll consider it next time. 01:18:55.910 --> 01:18:56.120 - Yes 01:18:56.120 --> 01:19:00.680 - To 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:05.720 - I 01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:12.200 - I guess I saw this is just got reaction to the two. I I kind of favor staff's approach of leading 01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:13.880 - with what the state code requirement is 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:20.200 - Rather than like leading with this idea that we're going to have two readings unless 01:19:20.200 --> 01:19:23.480 - You know 01:19:23.480 --> 01:19:27.000 - I don't know like I feel like the governing thing here is kind of state code and then 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.720 - um 01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:33.800 - The change in practice is really about whether or not we're going to allow ourselves 01:19:35.080 --> 01:19:40.200 - Under what condition we're gonna allow ourselves to um debate the men's things of the street 01:19:40.200 --> 01:19:46.040 - There may be a situation where council really wants to adopt something, right? 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:50.280 - And it may feel like you have no choice. We've done it. Yeah 01:19:50.280 --> 01:19:54.990 - Sometimes things are really kind of sensitive. It's not controversial like it just had to happen 01:19:54.990 --> 01:19:56.040 - this way for a certain reason 01:19:56.040 --> 01:19:59.160 - just the 01:20:01.320 --> 01:20:06.200 - Looking at it from a lay person's and non-legal perspective just reading this 01:20:06.200 --> 01:20:08.680 - it's like 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:13.160 - Okay, this is the where i'm looking in code to see how ordinances and resolutions are 01:20:13.160 --> 01:20:15.560 - read and 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:21.320 - I'm starting out about this exception of two-thirds. Yada. Yada. Yada. It's like, uh, you know 01:20:21.320 --> 01:20:23.400 - it's already 01:20:23.400 --> 01:20:27.240 - Making my head spin before I even get to the main thing like it is 01:20:27.240 --> 01:20:30.040 - That importance 01:20:30.040 --> 01:20:31.480 - Maybe 01:20:31.480 --> 01:20:33.480 - What what if we led with the 01:20:33.480 --> 01:20:38.040 - What if we led with um 01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:46.360 - Then under like m2 readings normally that um of simple majorities were required to like pass 01:20:46.360 --> 01:20:50.760 - Well, that's in this 204 01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.680 - Maybe 01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:59.160 - Flipping the order actually then helps too to be like this is kind of a normal way things are done 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:01.560 - And here's the special exception 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:06.760 - Uh, I don't know. That was just my very planning has been related to if you can also send it around 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.720 - Yeah, i'll send and i'll send everybody 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:12.200 - My version of them we can have 01:21:12.200 --> 01:21:15.960 - Both versions vetted by our legal and then they can talk about it. Yes 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:21.560 - Is there a part of indiana code that combines those two like why is it separated out? 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:26.440 - In our local code or is it separated out in indiana code side? 01:21:27.080 --> 01:21:30.120 - Which parts are being versus both required? 01:21:30.120 --> 01:21:40.200 - Like this ic 36-7 i'll say there there there is no mention of readings in indiana probably so 01:21:40.200 --> 01:21:42.680 - That means we need to know 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:46.280 - We're maintenance. So then could these two sections be combined? 01:21:46.280 --> 01:21:49.320 - Potentially 01:21:49.320 --> 01:21:52.920 - You know to make it simple the resolutions are separated out 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:59.100 - And I think it's important to like draw attention to each of those separately 01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:05.160 - Um, I mean the yes, the vote could be combined with the readings also 01:22:05.160 --> 01:22:07.400 - um 01:22:07.400 --> 01:22:10.520 - I think we were trying since we're hopefully 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:15.400 - going to amend all of title two and we were trying to 01:22:15.400 --> 01:22:21.640 - Minimize the amount of changes now, but maybe maybe that's not possible 01:22:22.120 --> 01:22:25.640 - Maybe we need to that helps him and yeah, it's being amended 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:33.640 - And ma'am, I do have the last room for permission. Okay. Thank you 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:40.120 - Uh, I I think I'm wrong and part of the intention of this was to cut down on some of the like 01:22:40.120 --> 01:22:44.760 - Like beer discussions, right? It was to like streamline the picture a little bit 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.800 - upon reading this it seems like it's just 01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:51.640 - Uh opens the door for like two discussions in the same item 01:22:52.200 --> 01:22:54.360 - Uh, it seems like this would make a lot of sense to like 01:22:54.360 --> 01:22:59.760 - Go in tandem with the consent agenda. Like you discuss it on the first reading with everyone's in 01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:00.200 - favor 01:23:00.200 --> 01:23:05.920 - Uh things that have ended for the next meeting there's some social to cut that off the study which 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.080 - made the same points 01:23:07.080 --> 01:23:08.760 - I know that that's 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:10.760 - something that's been considered before but 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:13.400 - uh, so 01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:16.360 - and I know that one of the like financial and 01:23:17.160 --> 01:23:23.320 - Council with Florida nationals last meeting was that part of the like second the the double reading 01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:25.240 - was that some members of the public would know that 01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:29.080 - Heard it discussed on a note on and so they're gonna 01:23:29.080 --> 01:23:34.520 - Set agenda for next week. It's like something between you know, they were good 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:37.320 - Does that make sense? 01:23:37.320 --> 01:23:42.280 - That there is interplay between the consent agenda and the number of meetings 01:23:42.280 --> 01:23:46.040 - You still though could end up with discussion and debate 01:23:46.040 --> 01:23:48.120 - Maybe yes, if it's not 01:23:48.120 --> 01:23:50.680 - You have us 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:56.120 - Can we postpone the rest of these topics for our next meeting and I both have hard stops at 1 45th 01:23:56.120 --> 01:23:59.960 - Yeah, we need to um, we need to go to public comment 01:23:59.960 --> 01:24:01.720 - and then 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:03.720 - sure 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:07.560 - Uh, so yes, we will take these up again our next meeting 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:10.600 - So any member of the public would like to comment? 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:15.160 - either on discussion of legislation first reading or 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.880 - Any other items? 01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:24.760 - Seeing none 01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:27.720 - Um, yeah, I think uh, is there some 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:31.080 - Have you had a chance to do research on consent agendas? 01:24:31.080 --> 01:24:33.160 - Yeah, okay. Okay 01:24:33.160 --> 01:24:35.160 - So maybe we'll hear that next time 01:24:35.160 --> 01:24:41.740 - And then consider these two issues in conjunction with each other. Another thing while julius was 01:24:41.740 --> 01:24:42.920 - speaking. I I remember 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:46.840 - We had talked about limiting the time the first 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:49.560 - discussion 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.560 - so that we can have like 01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:54.760 - Three hours done two different dates 01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.080 - um 01:24:57.080 --> 01:25:02.520 - Contentious issues because the point was to get to our questions and possible amendments earlier 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:04.600 - um 01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:05.720 - so 01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:06.920 - we can 01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:12.280 - Talk about that further in this time too whether that is a code issue or is a practice issue or 01:25:13.080 --> 01:25:15.080 - But what? 01:25:15.080 --> 01:25:16.600 - um 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:18.920 - anything any final thoughts 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:23.880 - I think we already have our next meeting on schedule. Is that right? 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.960 - Maybe it's the second monday 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:33.880 - That's right, this one was a week early, right? Yeah 01:25:38.200 --> 01:25:46.440 - So somebody had that date well about my number and yes, November 10th, 12 15 in this room 01:25:46.440 --> 01:25:52.200 - Good great. Well, thank you all 01:25:52.200 --> 01:25:56.360 - Thank you so much everyone 01:26:26.360 --> 01:26:29.280 - (orchestral music) 01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:32.200 - (orchestral music) 01:26:32.200 --> 01:26:35.120 - (orchestral music) 01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:38.040 - (orchestral music) 01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:40.960 - (orchestral music) 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.880 - (orchestral music) 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.800 - (orchestral music) 01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.720 - (orchestral music) 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:52.640 - (orchestral music) 01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:55.560 - (orchestral music) 01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.480 - (orchestral music) 01:26:58.480 --> 01:27:01.400 - (orchestral music)