WEBVTT 00:00:00.194 --> 00:00:07.995 - Let's go ahead and call the order of this meeting. The video counts of processes on Thursday, May 21st, 00:00:07.995 --> 00:00:15.646 - 2026. Let's just go around the table and do a call-in roll. We'll start each by left. I hope he stops 00:00:15.646 --> 00:00:23.221 - for district three. Yes, about Piedmont Smith, district one. Sidney Zola, district six. Larry Allen, 00:00:23.221 --> 00:00:29.822 - attorney. Sophia McDowell, clerk's office. Thank you all. So our agenda includes first, 00:00:30.114 --> 00:00:37.641 - Any updates from the clerk's office or committee members? Then we'll talk about council member sponsorship 00:00:37.641 --> 00:00:44.675 - of legislation, consent agendas, and then any time we have left, I thought we could start the Title 00:00:44.675 --> 00:00:51.850 - II review, which has already been reviewed, but many comments and suggestions for changes are already 00:00:51.850 --> 00:00:58.814 - in the red line. And then we can adjourn. Is there, and the adjournment is scheduled for 530. Any, 00:00:59.394 --> 00:01:11.038 - Comments or changes for the agenda? Oh, yeah. All right. So are there any updates? First from the clerk's 00:01:11.038 --> 00:01:22.023 - office. No. Hi. So sorry. Deputy Clint Crossley, I think, will be sharing some information, but she 00:01:22.023 --> 00:01:29.054 - can't be here until about 4.30. OK. So I don't know about that. 00:01:30.146 --> 00:01:38.607 - Any member of updates from committee members? I have one at the meeting last time. I discussed 00:01:38.607 --> 00:01:47.869 - the transportation commission and dates to membership because of the challenge of getting somebody from 00:01:47.869 --> 00:01:56.062 - CCSC on the lived within the city limits. And I managed to get a hold of Dr. Houston, CCSC. 00:01:56.226 --> 00:02:02.887 - Superintendent and so the idea that I proposed for her was to take one of the council seats and make 00:02:02.887 --> 00:02:09.811 - an MCCSCC and have her recommend three options and then have the interview committee interview the three 00:02:09.811 --> 00:02:16.537 - options and then decide and have that be a council seat. I need to talk with the mayor and see if the 00:02:16.537 --> 00:02:23.198 - mayor would be willing to give up a mayor seat instead because then that might be easier in terms of 00:02:23.330 --> 00:02:31.444 - communication between the superintendent position and the seat. But Dr. Winston was super excited to 00:02:31.444 --> 00:02:39.558 - be able to have somebody from her cabinet on it. And she thought that it was basically out of branch 00:02:39.558 --> 00:02:47.833 - of possibility because of the residency. So she thought about doing something to remove that residency 00:02:47.833 --> 00:02:52.894 - that's being blockage. So my next step is to talk to the mayor 00:02:53.122 --> 00:03:00.266 - And also if you guys have any opinions on how we want to write that in, in terms of taking a recommendation 00:03:00.266 --> 00:03:07.146 - from the superintendent. And the reason why I proposed the three is that's basically it's a CCAC, which 00:03:07.146 --> 00:03:14.091 - is like recommend three and then the mayor has to choose which one she wants. So that recommending three 00:03:14.091 --> 00:03:20.574 - and then the council being able to choose which one is kind of the same concept as that, but I'm, 00:03:21.282 --> 00:03:29.498 - open to whatever and it's not been like from her perspective, as long as somebody from her staff get 00:03:29.498 --> 00:03:37.632 - on, she's a different how we do. Any thoughts or opinions on that? I'll contact the Mayor's office. 00:03:37.632 --> 00:03:45.848 - My goal would be, I was looking and actually all those seats are filled right now, but they all look 00:03:45.848 --> 00:03:50.078 - like they expire, at least those four expire 131.7. 00:03:50.178 --> 00:03:59.199 - My goal would be to get this change sometime in the fall or the next cycle when I think it is. So. 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:08.859 - Thank you. Absolutely. Okay. Does anybody have any like reference about whether it's accountancy, whether 00:04:08.859 --> 00:04:17.971 - it's their seat, whether it's the pick three recommendations, like how. I'm, I'm not. Opposed to it 00:04:17.971 --> 00:04:20.158 - being accounts to seat. 00:04:20.578 --> 00:04:29.212 - as it was supposed to be a capsule seed. So that's fine with me. I like the idea of the PEC-3 Foundation. 00:04:29.212 --> 00:04:37.846 - I think that where some I trust, you know, I'm also Mayor Winston. So if we send to Winston to recommend, 00:04:37.846 --> 00:04:46.154 - obviously, for top researchers, you know, we'll be good. So I'm in favor. Thank you, sure, very much. 00:04:46.154 --> 00:04:49.982 - Anybody else have any preferences around this? 00:04:51.170 --> 00:04:57.613 - Any of them? I think it sounds good. Right now the MCCSCC, that's like this list of like preference 00:04:57.613 --> 00:05:04.571 - will be given to and one of those is a council recommendation and one of those is a mayoral recommendation. 00:05:04.571 --> 00:05:11.142 - But it's the only mayoral seat that's like a resident application. The only other mayoral appointment 00:05:11.142 --> 00:05:17.778 - is the CCA. Okay. And so that's why it's like, I don't want to- Yeah, I'm just wondering when we were- 00:05:17.778 --> 00:05:19.518 - Take that from the mayor's 00:05:20.322 --> 00:05:31.229 - hot of recommendations unless the current mayor doesn't care, because it might be easier procedurally 00:05:31.229 --> 00:05:42.029 - for it to be in the PIC 3 scenario. It might be easier procedurally for the PIC 3 to go to the mayor 00:05:42.029 --> 00:05:49.086 - as opposed to the PIC 3 to go to the mayor to then go to council. 00:05:51.362 --> 00:06:03.389 - Has the Transportation Commission been asked about this? I tried to mark about it. I have talked about 00:06:03.389 --> 00:06:15.883 - it too. That one seat on the Transportation Commission, specifically the one from the MCCSC, is be allowed 00:06:15.883 --> 00:06:20.670 - to be subject to this outside sublimits. 00:06:20.770 --> 00:06:26.835 - So right now, there's something for people. We have the chair of the transportation commission happens 00:06:26.835 --> 00:06:32.724 - to be here. So we're not talking about the seat. Yeah. So last, when we created this transportation 00:06:32.724 --> 00:06:38.730 - commission, we have one. Actually, technically, there's two seats, a council seat and a marriage seat 00:06:38.730 --> 00:06:44.618 - that has a list of preferences about their qualifications. And one of those preferences is somebody 00:06:44.618 --> 00:06:48.446 - involved with MCCSE. And so the superintendent of MCCSE actually 00:06:48.898 --> 00:06:54.780 - recommended and pointed, I think, her director of transportation toward applying for that, but they 00:06:54.780 --> 00:07:00.779 - were not eligible for that position because they lived outside of the city limits. And so they could, 00:07:00.779 --> 00:07:06.896 - she couldn't find anybody in that kind of a position within her staff that lived inside the city limits 00:07:06.896 --> 00:07:12.190 - that would be appropriate for the commission. And so that's kind of been a challenge that 00:07:12.578 --> 00:07:21.107 - We've thought all along that somebody very involved with MCCSE transportation would be really important 00:07:21.107 --> 00:07:29.390 - to have on the transportation commission. The commission is full. I know. So all of the seats expire 00:07:29.390 --> 00:07:37.674 - on January 1st of 2027. January 1st of 2027 is when the current seats expire. So it would be kind of 00:07:37.674 --> 00:07:41.118 - like new membership. My proposal would be 00:07:42.210 --> 00:07:52.133 - new membership list that would start with the seats next year. I guess I'm having trouble with who is 00:07:52.133 --> 00:08:02.250 - the current member whose seat you're talking about. I'm not technically sure. It's either, let me find. 00:08:02.250 --> 00:08:11.006 - There are two mayoral seats. One is the CCA and one is. It would be C1, C2, or C3. Or M2. 00:08:12.802 --> 00:08:20.569 - Okay. But I thought we had kind of agreed it would be a. I'm going to ask the mayor and see if she cares. 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:27.969 - Okay. We've just got that seat filled. Yeah. So when like I started talking about this, I think that 00:08:27.969 --> 00:08:35.370 - there was still an empty seat and that's just taken a bit, but all C1, C2, C3 and Bound 2 all expire 00:08:35.370 --> 00:08:41.598 - 131-27. So it would be something that would take effect starting for the next cycle. 00:08:42.082 --> 00:08:52.001 - of appointments so that nobody who is currently assigned would get kid prof. But that would stay effective 00:08:52.001 --> 00:09:02.106 - in January. Yeah. OK. Yeah. February 1st. Right. Sure. Does that make sense? Yeah. Do you have any questions 00:09:02.106 --> 00:09:11.006 - about that? I don't. OK. I'll go back to my sit-up. OK. Well. Yeah. And I'm happy to have that. 00:09:11.682 --> 00:09:17.816 - It's funny that you're here right now because it was one of those things I first wanted to talk to the 00:09:17.816 --> 00:09:23.832 - committee about it. And then when the committee was like, yeah, sure, go ahead and do it. And then I 00:09:23.832 --> 00:09:29.966 - wanted to talk to the superintendent about it. And so the superintendent was like, go ahead and do it. 00:09:29.966 --> 00:09:35.922 - And then it's like reporting back to all of the other trickle downs of who that needs to. Because I 00:09:35.922 --> 00:09:41.342 - also need to communicate with staff liaisons for Transportation Management too about that. 00:09:42.082 --> 00:09:50.486 - And that's all kind of in the next step category. All right, thank you for that update. Now that Deputy 00:09:50.486 --> 00:09:58.971 - Clerk Crossley is here, do you have an update from the supplies as well? I do, actually. So my apologies 00:09:58.971 --> 00:10:07.375 - for being a little tardy. Today's the last day, and I had to go pick up the last kid on their last day. 00:10:07.375 --> 00:10:10.526 - Oh, I'm so old. And yeah, so I'm here. 00:10:10.722 --> 00:10:18.264 - Update that I have for you all is 1 just completed the staff liaison training. So we had 2 sessions 00:10:18.264 --> 00:10:26.182 - 1 just ended. We had 1 last Monday. We had another 1 on Wednesday feedback that we've received is pretty 00:10:26.182 --> 00:10:33.799 - great. Actually, and we have 1 person come by the office today and said they couldn't understand how 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.006 - we all existed. 00:10:35.202 --> 00:10:45.047 - Um, this entire time with boards and commissions and not having anybody be over that. So I, I agree. 00:10:45.047 --> 00:10:54.990 - Uh, so, you know, so, yeah, so that that's it there. And then we have two dates that are coming up in 00:10:54.990 --> 00:11:00.254 - June for board members and commissioners as well. Um, 00:11:00.802 --> 00:11:10.089 - I would like to give a little bit of an update. I know council members had gave a. In the meeting yesterday, 00:11:10.089 --> 00:11:18.950 - an update about staff or council member liaisons and just kind of wanted to remind everybody like. It's 00:11:18.950 --> 00:11:24.062 - it's a really good role if we just really use those to the. 00:11:24.258 --> 00:11:33.329 - Like, advantage of what they can be. So I just encourage you all to keep encouraging everybody that 00:11:33.329 --> 00:11:42.400 - hasn't had a chance to reach out or if you have, and it's been a while. To reach out in particular, 00:11:42.400 --> 00:11:49.566 - I think it would be handy for. Council member daily, especially like. We have. 00:11:49.730 --> 00:11:56.256 - I know you're the liaison for CAPS. And so I know you got the email that, or you might not have had 00:11:56.256 --> 00:12:02.913 - a chance to look at it, because you've also been busy. So there was an email that I sent, and I think 00:12:02.913 --> 00:12:09.569 - Council Member Pimot-Smith was attached to it as well. There's just a communication issue with one of 00:12:09.569 --> 00:12:16.291 - the commissions. And so that you have staff liaison. I keep calling it staff liaison. That you are the 00:12:16.291 --> 00:12:19.358 - liaison too. And so that's just on your radar. 00:12:20.258 --> 00:12:27.513 - The last thing that I kind of wanted to bring to the attention of you all, I know we've talked about 00:12:27.513 --> 00:12:34.769 - this before, but I want to bring it up again because we just had another, I just got word today that 00:12:34.769 --> 00:12:42.168 - another council appointment for the environmental commission, they have their meeting tonight and that 00:12:42.168 --> 00:12:49.854 - individual is also going to be resigning after tonight. So the mayor's office already has one, two, three, 00:12:50.114 --> 00:12:56.221 - Can you share who the individual is? It's Shannon Gake, and she just got reappointed this year. So I 00:12:56.221 --> 00:13:02.449 - am reaching out to her tomorrow once I send out her thank you letter after everything is gone, because 00:13:02.449 --> 00:13:08.979 - I don't want to do a prenatal or in case she decides to change her mind. But in the event that she doesn't, 00:13:08.979 --> 00:13:15.631 - what I'm going to start doing is kind of like an exit interview. And people would like to or feel comfortable 00:13:15.631 --> 00:13:19.198 - in giving that information to us, because I'd like to know 00:13:19.746 --> 00:13:26.792 - what's happening with people if they are willing to give that information to us as to why, you know, 00:13:26.792 --> 00:13:33.838 - they're deciding to resign and she just got reappointed. So I'm curious to know like what that's all 00:13:33.838 --> 00:13:41.232 - about, if there's anything that we can do on our end to make anything better, a smooth process for people 00:13:41.232 --> 00:13:48.767 - with boards and commissions related, that kind of thing. But that means that this commission as of tomorrow 00:13:48.767 --> 00:13:49.534 - will have, 00:13:53.186 --> 00:14:00.233 - for vacancies. And I bring that up because I think the NOVAC report had mentioned probably condensing 00:14:00.233 --> 00:14:07.418 - the EC with B cost there. And I'm not saying that anybody should condense it or merge the two together. 00:14:07.418 --> 00:14:14.465 - However, what I am saying is because this could affect their core room, which ultimately could affect 00:14:14.465 --> 00:14:21.374 - the business that they're doing. I think this committee should start thinking about possibly making 00:14:21.474 --> 00:14:29.588 - this commission a little bit smaller with the vacancies. I think the mayor's office, I think ideally 00:14:29.588 --> 00:14:37.702 - would be okay with that. As of right now, we don't have any applications for this. The press release 00:14:37.702 --> 00:14:45.976 - went out earlier this week to highlight the mayor's vacancies before we knew Shannon is resigning, but 00:14:45.976 --> 00:14:47.422 - we don't have it. 00:14:48.290 --> 00:14:59.512 - So I just wanted to, you know, bring that to your attention as well. How many is it right now? 12. Yeah. 00:14:59.512 --> 00:15:10.734 - Yeah. It's, it's a pretty big, um, commission. Yeah. Yeah. Do you happen to know why there were 12 seats 00:15:10.734 --> 00:15:13.406 - on them? No, not at all. 00:15:17.954 --> 00:15:26.150 - I mean, it was created in 1971, so who knows? Maybe an hour barrier? Maybe 12. Maybe there were nine 00:15:26.150 --> 00:15:34.589 - and then there were 12, and then who knows how many times it fluctuated or changed for whatever reason. 00:15:34.589 --> 00:15:42.866 - Yeah, but it just looks like this commission, and I've been here almost a little over four years now, 00:15:42.866 --> 00:15:45.950 - has never really seen full occupancy. 00:15:46.370 --> 00:15:58.821 - when it comes to all the seats being filled. Okay, well that's something to consider then to maybe decrease 00:15:58.821 --> 00:16:10.465 - the number of spots then. It's, what is the breakdown? It just looks like six. Mayor, there was six. 00:16:10.465 --> 00:16:14.270 - But it makes sense for it to be, 00:16:15.650 --> 00:16:22.703 - an odd number of people. Most commissions are. Yeah. I would think that maybe reduce it to 90. You think 00:16:22.703 --> 00:16:29.957 - that that might. That too. Yeah. I think that could be a good number because remember that's also something 00:16:29.957 --> 00:16:36.808 - that you all did as a committee for CAPS. Because remember CAPS was in a similar situation where they 00:16:36.808 --> 00:16:43.390 - would have people resign and it was hard to backfill, which ultimately made corn issues for them. 00:16:43.714 --> 00:16:54.424 - As a result, it was condensed, I think from like 12 to nine. Oh, which committee has going to transit 00:16:54.424 --> 00:17:05.028 - board, not the transportation, but the transit board. That's a thank you. When I tell you, I already 00:17:05.028 --> 00:17:12.798 - know that is all in my memory. It is all over here to have some comments. 00:17:14.178 --> 00:17:24.838 - Okay, because those there are some seats that will be up and July. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So. Sure, we put 00:17:24.838 --> 00:17:35.710 - a pin on the in this for the next time to perhaps have a proposal to reduce the number of seats on the 00:17:35.710 --> 00:17:41.726 - seat or something that you feel we should do right away. 00:17:43.810 --> 00:17:51.168 - Well, is there even time to divert right away in terms of having those meetings we have left, but also 00:17:51.168 --> 00:17:58.455 - in the sense of sitting together? No. I mean, we would, the legislation would need to be ready, like, 00:17:58.455 --> 00:18:05.742 - correct ready by next Friday to vote on it before the break. Cause we would need, unless we wanted to 00:18:05.742 --> 00:18:12.958 - do a, to try to get it all through on a first reading on June 10th, but I've got, I don't think that 00:18:13.090 --> 00:18:23.173 - It's a big enough deal that this is not the first thing that we should use. I first vote on first training 00:18:23.173 --> 00:18:32.879 - for especially how bad is the quorum issue? Are we gonna stop them from meeting all summer if we don't 00:18:32.879 --> 00:18:40.606 - do this before? See, it depends because with summer people go on summer break and 00:18:41.954 --> 00:18:51.211 - I think there's another liaison that will step in for the current liaison. She's out, but it depends, 00:18:51.211 --> 00:19:00.831 - because I think I see a lot of people during the summer that travel and they either will attend virtually 00:19:00.831 --> 00:19:10.814 - or they won't come at all. So if those seated people don't show up, then ultimately that could affect horror. 00:19:11.074 --> 00:19:19.268 - I think we've brought this up before, but I believe the mayor's administration and council, past council 00:19:19.268 --> 00:19:27.306 - attorneys have had a different interpretation of what or it's. So the council attorneys have said it's 00:19:27.306 --> 00:19:35.344 - a majority plus one of members appointed. Whereas I've heard people in the mayor's administration say, 00:19:35.344 --> 00:19:38.622 - no, it's a majority plus one of the seats 00:19:40.002 --> 00:19:46.492 - So if it's of the ones appointed, they wouldn't have as much trouble before. And I think that has changed. 00:19:46.492 --> 00:19:52.618 - I think everybody has now settled on it being a majority plus one of appointed and not the number of 00:19:52.618 --> 00:19:58.805 - seats. I think literally the agreement between the attorneys shifted. So there was a former agreement 00:19:58.805 --> 00:20:04.446 - that was number of seats, and now it's the number of appointed. Is that what you understand? 00:20:04.770 --> 00:20:12.943 - Yes, then we're slightly concerned about making. Yeah, so they would just, if they have 8 members. They 00:20:12.943 --> 00:20:20.959 - would be 5 in that case. I said that maybe it does not need to happen. So, why don't we just put this 00:20:20.959 --> 00:20:29.132 - to our next meeting? We'll have legislation that we go over that review. Is this somebody want to reach 00:20:29.132 --> 00:20:30.782 - out to that you see. 00:20:31.138 --> 00:20:37.465 - Well, do you want to piggyback that with the transportation commission change and how does that change 00:20:37.465 --> 00:20:43.609 - in board and commission membership stuff? Yeah, that sounds great. Because especially if there's no 00:20:43.609 --> 00:20:49.936 - rush on the alarm out kind of thing, then like, you know, my goal for that was to, especially now that 00:20:49.936 --> 00:20:56.140 - like the January thing, to send it through like July, August. So whenever we come back to the break, 00:20:56.140 --> 00:20:58.782 - having that be in the first time sometime. 00:20:59.970 --> 00:21:08.499 - If you prepare so as long as we're good at that time. If you could possibly do any issue with doing 00:21:08.499 --> 00:21:17.028 - it after the break. Okay, anything else from the clerk's office. No, that's it. I think the only of 00:21:17.028 --> 00:21:25.642 - it. Well, there is the only other addition that I would say with the boards and commission leaves on 00:21:25.642 --> 00:21:28.030 - training for board members. 00:21:28.290 --> 00:21:35.084 - and commissioners is I'm actually a little bit more excited than I was with the staff liaisons because 00:21:35.084 --> 00:21:41.945 - just kind of given some of the circumstances that we've kind of seen recently with quite a few, I think 00:21:41.945 --> 00:21:49.069 - they will definitely benefit from the training, especially when it comes to, I know there's been a question 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:55.006 - of does the chair set the agenda or does the staff liaison set the agenda? The answer is, 00:21:55.426 --> 00:22:03.634 - Chair Sensi, but that person is also in works with the staff liaison and the staff liaison should not 00:22:03.634 --> 00:22:11.922 - just be taking it all. So I think as we're open this past training session with staff, and I think the 00:22:11.922 --> 00:22:20.452 - goal for me is hopefully the intent is people will all know now what is expected of them. And then that's 00:22:20.452 --> 00:22:24.958 - also when we will roll out the code of conduct as well. 00:22:25.506 --> 00:22:35.348 - So that is it. Wonderful. Thank you so much. You're welcome. All right. Let's move on to council member 00:22:35.348 --> 00:22:45.285 - sponsorship of legislation. So I did a meet with Deputy Mayor Gretchen Knapp to talk about this proposal 00:22:45.285 --> 00:22:54.654 - that we discussed at our last meeting. She is concerned that this will add to more work for staff. 00:22:55.778 --> 00:23:05.420 - But, you know, she was kind of resigned. This is what we think will be better for council. This is what 00:23:05.420 --> 00:23:14.784 - we're going to do and they'll deal with it. But she was concerned that having to get a sponsor, that 00:23:14.784 --> 00:23:23.870 - person may, you know, ask for changes or ask for meetings and that will add some more staff time. 00:23:25.378 --> 00:23:31.595 - She was, on the other hand, she was not at all concerned about finding sponsors. This whole idea that 00:23:31.595 --> 00:23:37.690 - we had, like, oh, we'll make a list of who is most interested in sponsoring what. She was like, the 00:23:37.690 --> 00:23:44.212 - department heads know who was interested and who they would reach out to. It didn't sound like she thought 00:23:44.212 --> 00:23:50.551 - that would be necessary at all. So, it takes less staff time to find a council sponsorship than it does 00:23:50.551 --> 00:23:54.878 - to present to council and have it failed. They didn't talk to anybody. 00:23:55.106 --> 00:24:01.121 - Or on it, I mean, I feel like that that would be less stressful than having like, I mean, sometimes 00:24:01.121 --> 00:24:07.316 - there's a million questions that kind of like almost like contention Russian asking like, or the whole 00:24:07.316 --> 00:24:13.572 - like, didn't you think of this? And then they look stupid sort of thing. Like, I mean, I feel like I've 00:24:13.572 --> 00:24:19.767 - heard that concern with staff before after presentations and feeling like, wow, that was really tough. 00:24:19.767 --> 00:24:24.158 - And they weren't anticipating that kind of reaction and that that didn't 00:24:24.930 --> 00:24:34.824 - Like that made me feel kind of hopeful. This would be, we can kind of paint it as like a, this is actually 00:24:34.824 --> 00:24:44.164 - meant to increase communication, not make your life harder. Yeah. To increase communication upfront. 00:24:44.164 --> 00:24:50.174 - Instead of in front of a camera. It's the whole community. Yeah. 00:24:55.810 --> 00:25:03.500 - If we look at the actual legislation in the packet, I did combine two whereas clauses as was recommended 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:10.897 - in our last meeting. And then I did put an exception sentence. So now it says, no proposed ordinance 00:25:10.897 --> 00:25:18.660 - or resolution shall be considered by the council unless sponsored by a member of the council. Exceptions, 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:24.958 - no council member sponsorship shall be required for annual budget related legislation 00:25:25.346 --> 00:25:33.579 - nor for appropriation ordinances brought forward outside the annual budget process. Do you all think 00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:41.812 - that covers what we discussed last night? And I'm also looking at, Larry, if that language meets the 00:25:41.812 --> 00:25:50.045 - legalese standards. I mean, I think it's the way you have it, and it's clear enough that at least we 00:25:50.045 --> 00:25:55.262 - know what you want to accept it out of the rules. And we could. 00:25:56.386 --> 00:26:06.007 - If we're concerned about what does annual budget related legislation mean, because that is the rules 00:26:06.007 --> 00:26:15.723 - and procedure. Oh, sure. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. And thanks for changing it in the synopsis too. 00:26:15.723 --> 00:26:25.534 - I think that will make it clearer. So, is this okay to move this forward? I mean, given scheduling it. 00:26:25.826 --> 00:26:35.655 - May or may not come forward for recess. Sure. I move that we, the CCP, recommend, well, I guess it's 00:26:35.655 --> 00:26:45.679 - not an ordinance yet. Disordinance. To be considered by the full council. Second. All right, let's go. 00:26:45.679 --> 00:26:53.854 - We both second. Okay. Courtney can take it. It's fine. Okay. I'm the second second. 00:26:55.426 --> 00:27:05.759 - Okay, we all like it. Give it to bolden. All right, let's do a roll call those council members like, 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:16.092 - yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I will vote yes. Yeah, thank you very much. You're an ideal Oh my goodness, 00:27:16.092 --> 00:27:20.798 - we're supposed to go to public comment first. 00:27:21.122 --> 00:27:45.178 - Darn it. I apologize. A retroactive public public online public. All right. Moving on to consent agendas. 00:27:45.178 --> 00:27:50.398 - So, um, I did ask, um, 00:27:51.362 --> 00:27:59.930 - Larry Allen to look at the legislation that we talked about previously. Do you have any feedback for 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:08.583 - us, Larry? Yes, a little bit. So in terms of the legislation as it's currently written, I think there 00:28:08.583 --> 00:28:17.406 - are two questions posed to me. One was about the language of the catch-all language in consent agendas. 00:28:17.698 --> 00:28:23.677 - So the other non-controversial and administrative actions is what it reads right now. That language 00:28:23.677 --> 00:28:29.836 - is basically trying to mirror Robert's rules, which is the entire genesis of consent agendas. They are 00:28:29.836 --> 00:28:36.114 - commonly used for boards and commissions. Under Robert's rules, they refer to this as a consent calendar 00:28:36.114 --> 00:28:42.572 - instead of a consent agenda, but it's the exact same idea. It does that thing. We don't know what happened. 00:28:42.572 --> 00:28:45.502 - Oh, OK. We'll find out in 25 seconds. All right. 00:28:45.826 --> 00:28:52.282 - I got distracted with that. Sorry. No, it's fine. So under Robert's rules, the way that that portion 00:28:52.282 --> 00:28:58.994 - reads, I'll just read it to you so you have a sense of how it's mirroring it, if that's OK. Legislature, 00:28:58.994 --> 00:29:05.770 - city, town, or county councils, or other assemblies which have a heavy workload, including a large number 00:29:05.770 --> 00:29:12.226 - of routine or non-controversial matters, may find a consent calendar or agenda useful tool, a useful 00:29:12.226 --> 00:29:15.166 - tool for disposing of such items or business. 00:29:15.330 --> 00:29:21.668 - the rules behind it. So I think in terms of a catch-all language, I think that's a good idea. Not because 00:29:21.668 --> 00:29:27.767 - the list that you all have already have in there is a prescriptive view of consent agendas is faulty, 00:29:27.767 --> 00:29:33.806 - but it does give you some flexibility if you have a project where you end up having to contract with 00:29:33.806 --> 00:29:34.942 - somebody directly. 00:29:35.042 --> 00:29:40.901 - Or if you have decided to do some sort of personnel thing that you've already discussed, you know everybody 00:29:40.901 --> 00:29:46.434 - is on the same page and you just want to move it through on the agenda. It's really anything in there 00:29:46.434 --> 00:29:50.014 - that is clearly agreed upon everybody it just takes a quick vote. 00:29:50.082 --> 00:29:56.052 - The other thing to keep in mind, I'm sure you heard this before key to consent agendas is any 1 council 00:29:56.052 --> 00:30:01.849 - member who wants to have something removed from the consent agenda. And so you just request for that 00:30:01.849 --> 00:30:07.647 - item to be removed from the consent agenda. And then it gets, it just gets placed in its normal part 00:30:07.647 --> 00:30:11.550 - of the agenda. So, I, if it's if it's an ordinance or a resolution. 00:30:11.714 --> 00:30:17.432 - potentially, if you did something like that. If it was a resolution, it would go to whatever reading 00:30:17.432 --> 00:30:23.206 - it is in the agenda, and that's where it falls in the type of agenda. If it's a report, it's going to 00:30:23.206 --> 00:30:29.264 - go into the report section right after you do the consent agenda, that kind of thing. An exciting feature. 00:30:29.264 --> 00:30:35.038 - I don't think we knew about that. No, we didn't. So, at this point, it changed the order of business. 00:30:35.746 --> 00:30:41.445 - to do approval of consent agenda and then consideration of items from the consent agenda right after 00:30:41.445 --> 00:30:47.088 - it. Yeah, I think that that's unnecessary, that consideration of items removed from consent agenda, 00:30:47.088 --> 00:30:52.956 - unless they really don't fall within something of your calendar or that agenda order as it is, but that 00:30:52.956 --> 00:30:58.712 - probably isn't necessary to have in there unless you really, you can of course, these are your rules, 00:30:58.712 --> 00:31:00.574 - so if you want to have a special 00:31:00.738 --> 00:31:07.310 - area and everybody's up front about that's the rules, that's how we do this. Is there any special designated 00:31:07.310 --> 00:31:13.399 - section of the agenda for items removed from the consent agenda? Yes, we can do that. If you want to 00:31:13.399 --> 00:31:19.548 - simplify it and just have a consent agenda, period, then anything that's removed from that would just 00:31:19.548 --> 00:31:25.698 - go out to the normal agenda portion. That's typically how it works with others. I'd prefer that. That 00:31:25.698 --> 00:31:29.918 - it just reverts back to where it would go. That makes sense. So then. 00:31:30.274 --> 00:31:36.894 - So then we reinstate approval of minutes. Yeah, I guess I. Appointments to boards and commissions. Just 00:31:36.894 --> 00:31:43.388 - to include anything in the consent agenda. Right. So I guess then I prefer the way that we had it. So 00:31:43.388 --> 00:31:50.263 - then we could get rid of the approval of minutes and get rid of the appointments to boards and commissions. 00:31:50.263 --> 00:31:54.846 - But those would come after immediately anyway. No, but they come after. 00:31:56.034 --> 00:32:03.205 - Yes, all the support we have reports in the middle and then sometimes there's that weird thing like 00:32:03.205 --> 00:32:10.520 - when we have to accept reports specifically, especially when like it gets funky sometimes. Oh, sorry. 00:32:10.520 --> 00:32:17.763 - Well, my only question, and this is actually maybe I should hold off. This is opening the new can of 00:32:17.763 --> 00:32:23.070 - worms. So God. Well, I was going to totally open the can of worms because 00:32:23.202 --> 00:32:31.613 - I am actually having second thoughts about this whole thing, because if we have something, if we, first 00:32:31.613 --> 00:32:39.701 - of all, I overall in the scope of our work, I just don't think it's that important to institute and 00:32:39.701 --> 00:32:47.951 - such. Secondly, I think it could be very obnoxious for staff who have to be there in case the item on 00:32:47.951 --> 00:32:52.318 - the consent agenda is pulled from the consent agenda. 00:32:53.090 --> 00:33:02.035 - I just think it's going to be confusing. Who decides whether something is not controversial? Even though 00:33:02.035 --> 00:33:10.554 - I put in here routine interlocal agreements, well, what if we don't like the way that Monroe County 00:33:10.554 --> 00:33:19.158 - Building Department has done the building inspections even though we've had them do it for 20 years. 00:33:19.158 --> 00:33:20.862 - In the hierarchy of 00:33:20.994 --> 00:33:27.928 - What is important to me to change in Title II? This is pretty fun. I think it would help us save some 00:33:27.928 --> 00:33:34.794 - time, but I definitely do think that those are other questions that need to be answered before we do 00:33:34.794 --> 00:33:42.068 - this, which is, how are we still going to manage to respect staff time? Because we have kind of introduced 00:33:42.068 --> 00:33:48.798 - this, now staff has to be in first and second reading, we've increased staff time already. And so, 00:33:49.890 --> 00:33:56.724 - If we're gonna do this, we need to make sure that it actually decreases staff time in a meaningful way. 00:33:56.724 --> 00:34:03.361 - Well, it decreases meeting time in a meaningful way. I don't necessarily think decrease meeting time 00:34:03.361 --> 00:34:09.998 - in a meaningful way. I mean, they're already like approval of minutes and boards and commissions are 00:34:09.998 --> 00:34:16.832 - pretty fast. Yes. And everything else that's kind of on this list, the SWARF routine, does seldom, like 00:34:16.832 --> 00:34:19.198 - we just don't have them very often. 00:34:20.098 --> 00:34:25.502 - And it almost might be, I can just imagine things being pulled off the consent agenda because somebody's 00:34:25.502 --> 00:34:30.649 - also like, wait a minute, what is that again? And then, cause if it's not a consent agenda, then we 00:34:30.649 --> 00:34:35.847 - can't talk about it at all, right? Is that right? There's no debate. Yeah, there's like no debate or 00:34:35.847 --> 00:34:41.148 - discussion on consent agenda items. And so then like, if anybody has any questions about what anything 00:34:41.148 --> 00:34:46.398 - is and like, can't you imagine somebody having a question about an inter-local agreement that's like, 00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:52.654 - super small and light and then we have to move to take it off the consent agenda and then we have to 00:34:52.654 --> 00:34:59.021 - put it in somewhere else and then it's like making a bigger deal and like I could just imagine it taking 00:34:59.021 --> 00:35:05.085 - more time as much as I can imagine at the saving time. Yeah and my can of worms was I guess kind of 00:35:05.085 --> 00:35:11.149 - related to the question asking but like public comment time. Yeah right. Public wants to comment on 00:35:11.149 --> 00:35:14.302 - do we just then say they're allowed to do it during 00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:20.579 - Hearing a public comment, you know, at what point do they get to, right? When do they get to make comment 00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:26.286 - on anything on there? Well, and then, and then like some of those funky things are actually like in 00:35:26.286 --> 00:35:31.993 - terms of acceptance of certain types of reports and things like that. Some of those are required by 00:35:31.993 --> 00:35:37.985 - the state to have a public comment time. So we can't put them on the consent agenda item anyway, because 00:35:37.985 --> 00:35:43.806 - we have to have the public comment and we don't have a good space on our agenda for things like that. 00:35:44.194 --> 00:35:53.447 - Like it's funky. Well, why don't we revisit this in like six months and see if we're still feeling the 00:35:53.447 --> 00:36:02.790 - same way. And then at that point, we cannot. I think we have some stuff coming up that maybe this isn't 00:36:02.790 --> 00:36:12.222 - a priority, but we can, yeah, we could re-discuss it maybe in November or as a new CCP next year. Right. 00:36:12.322 --> 00:36:18.913 - Between now and then, could we, like, kind of highlight things on, like, each agenda going, you know, 00:36:18.913 --> 00:36:25.698 - like, how many things on this agenda would go on a consent agenda? And maybe take a note of, like, well, 00:36:25.698 --> 00:36:32.484 - these are all of the things that we expected to be non-controversial. Like, right, yeah, go. In advance. 00:36:32.484 --> 00:36:38.558 - Exactly. I say we actually table this until the December, until our last meeting of the year. 00:36:38.818 --> 00:36:53.693 - For the rest of the year, we'll pay attention, do a very unscientific survey between the four of us. 00:36:53.693 --> 00:37:06.654 - There's a reason I said unscientific. Okay, so I moved to table this until our December 00:37:07.362 --> 00:37:18.683 - Uh, CCP meeting second. All right. Uh, let's vote on that council members. Yes. That's a member daily. 00:37:18.683 --> 00:37:30.334 - Yes. Council member Stossberg. Yes. I will vote. Yes. Okay. Um, to be slightly out of order. I apologize. 00:37:30.334 --> 00:37:35.390 - Uh, did you all. Yeah, we just, you did, but. 00:37:35.810 --> 00:37:46.817 - One question is, did you receive a comparative analysis of what other municipalities are doing? Did 00:37:46.817 --> 00:37:58.595 - you actually get that? I do have something like that. Can you share with me and then what I would suggest? 00:37:58.595 --> 00:38:02.558 - I can find that it actually exists. 00:38:02.722 --> 00:38:09.211 - it together for you in a more concrete. So when you take it back up in December, you can have 00:38:09.211 --> 00:38:15.769 - some comparators as well. Because some places do it differently where they consider ordinances 00:38:15.769 --> 00:38:22.672 - and resolutions of all their consent agenda, not just these types of limits. The other thing that I 00:38:22.672 --> 00:38:28.126 - was going to kind of pass Larry about, and that if anybody else is interested, 00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:36.208 - Would we be allowed to have a shared Google Doc where the four of us kind of write notes around that? 00:38:36.208 --> 00:38:43.657 - No. OK. I mean, yes and no. So here's the way it could work. We could set up a system where you all 00:38:43.657 --> 00:38:51.553 - can write. And this is actually something, just a spoiler, that we're actively working on. It's something 00:38:51.553 --> 00:38:52.894 - you could submit. 00:38:52.994 --> 00:39:00.108 - The issue with Google Docs is because the potential of you could all simultaneously edit it, that the 00:39:00.108 --> 00:39:07.223 - violation of open door law. However, if it's a locked document, so you submit it to your portal, it's 00:39:07.223 --> 00:39:14.337 - one way and you can read it on a document, but not live edit it together, that complies. So if one of 00:39:14.337 --> 00:39:21.521 - us created it and made the others commenters? No, because you're still receiving information that way. 00:39:21.521 --> 00:39:22.846 - But if one of you, 00:39:23.554 --> 00:39:29.108 - create it, there might be a way, let us, I think you'll find that the way we're working is that there 00:39:29.108 --> 00:39:34.717 - would be a submission portal through like a survey that automatically uploads to a doctor that you can 00:39:34.717 --> 00:39:40.162 - read. Unfortunately, it's not Indiana, you know, just because we want to have this done in the open 00:39:40.162 --> 00:39:46.206 - doesn't allow us to take a stand. So I know that that's the modern way of working, but it's not Indiana's way. 00:39:46.370 --> 00:39:51.740 - Like, I just hate to think like, oh, like Sydney analyzed whatever, and she came to this conclusion, 00:39:51.740 --> 00:39:57.056 - and then Isabelle did the exact same thing. Well, and that's what we're trying to combat as well is 00:39:57.056 --> 00:40:02.373 - because I think that's why I know it sounds more complicated, but to have a place where you all can 00:40:02.373 --> 00:40:07.849 - look and see what everybody else has asked and questions, I think that that's okay as long as it's not 00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:13.485 - why that didn't break the public answers counselor piece. Okay, so just let us know if that. It is coming 00:40:13.485 --> 00:40:14.814 - imminently. It is built. 00:40:14.978 --> 00:40:22.217 - We are in the testing phase. And so we hope to be rolling it out in the next couple of weeks. So I apologize, 00:40:22.217 --> 00:40:28.929 - it's time a little bit time. My purpose of that is just to maximize our collective time so that we're 00:40:28.929 --> 00:40:35.773 - not too creating. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you. Nobody wants to. Is there any member of the public 00:40:35.773 --> 00:40:42.814 - who would like to give their opinion on consented at this? Please join us. It just needs to be on the owl. 00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:55.273 - I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth. Great. Steve Wolf. I think Consentogen is a good idea. It's 00:40:55.273 --> 00:41:05.456 - a tool that is useful. You don't have to use them. You just can have them. Like, if you don't have them 00:41:05.456 --> 00:41:14.366 - now, why not have it? My favorite example of what's good for Consentogen is the Jag Grant. 00:41:14.882 --> 00:41:22.671 - It's never been controversial in the history of the council, but every year it comes up for reauthorization. 00:41:22.671 --> 00:41:29.817 - No one ever comments on it. It's as anodyne as it gets. It's a good example of legislation that can 00:41:29.817 --> 00:41:37.320 - be done through consent agenda. I think the biggest issue is just that like many other tools in Roberts, 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:43.966 - this council just long had a habit of doing things in a sort of a bespoke way with a limited 00:41:44.418 --> 00:41:55.095 - portion of Roberts, and it's a pleasure to see you all rediscovering, you know, Roberts. I'm grateful 00:41:55.095 --> 00:42:05.667 - for it. But, you know, I think maybe the committee might be a little overly worried about, like, the 00:42:05.667 --> 00:42:08.702 - consent agenda would require 00:42:09.378 --> 00:42:18.609 - members, as a courtesy to other members, to let their concerns be known before a meeting, say, I'm planning 00:42:18.609 --> 00:42:27.499 - on taking this off the consent agenda. I am going to just confess here that as a member, I, in my early 00:42:27.499 --> 00:42:36.218 - days, did not always read the packet and would be reactive to issues during the meeting, only when it 00:42:36.218 --> 00:42:38.782 - came up. And that's a kind of 00:42:39.394 --> 00:42:45.895 - approach as a council member that I want to discourage in my successors. You know, like if you do your 00:42:45.895 --> 00:42:52.207 - homework, you won't have any train wrecks in the meeting. And I confess here, I didn't always do my 00:42:52.207 --> 00:42:58.581 - homework. I just wanted to seek kind of absolutions for giving this near for my homework. But that's 00:42:58.581 --> 00:43:05.019 - really what this is about. The consent agenda would call out members who aren't doing their homework. 00:43:05.019 --> 00:43:07.102 - And that's really, I think, what 00:43:07.682 --> 00:43:14.917 - you know, might affect its use. So I wouldn't be afraid of it. I don't think it's what you've done is 00:43:14.917 --> 00:43:22.010 - the motion to table is fine, but it's nothing to be afraid of. It's just an extra tool, but it does 00:43:22.010 --> 00:43:29.174 - sort of expose the collaborative habits of the various members of council. So I don't want you to, I 00:43:29.174 --> 00:43:36.338 - want to encourage you not to be afraid of the idea. Like it's just an extra tool. Thanks. Thank you. 00:43:36.338 --> 00:43:37.118 - Thank you. 00:43:37.762 --> 00:43:47.832 - and we don't have any other public. So we shall move along to Title II review. So this is something 00:43:47.832 --> 00:43:58.002 - that was initiated by Council Member Asare in February of last year. He wrote up a whole big item of 00:43:58.002 --> 00:44:07.166 - legislation and sent it to the council staff and said, here are my revisions for Title II. 00:44:08.386 --> 00:44:18.402 - they were not in a red line version. I put them into a red line version a couple of months later. Then 00:44:18.402 --> 00:44:28.223 - last summer, I did meet with council staff and clerk staff, I think twice, to talk about some of the 00:44:28.223 --> 00:44:35.710 - recommended changes. What we did instead of just relying on the changes that 00:44:35.938 --> 00:44:44.699 - Isak brought forward, we kind of just started at the top of the chapter on Common Council in code and 00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:53.631 - started going down the list and looking at his changes, but also considering other changes. And so that 00:44:53.631 --> 00:45:02.563 - is what you have here in the packet with a lot of red line and comments. And of course, this was mainly 00:45:02.563 --> 00:45:05.054 - done by Christine Chang, who 00:45:06.114 --> 00:45:14.306 - of who's no longer with the council office, but we have a good start here, I think. I figured since 00:45:14.306 --> 00:45:23.071 - we've knocked out some agenda items this year for this committee, we could just come back to the committee 00:45:23.071 --> 00:45:31.427 - and take a look and see which we might want to go ahead and proceed with. Accompanying this red line, 00:45:31.427 --> 00:45:32.574 - Chapter 2.04, 00:45:33.090 --> 00:45:40.934 - is another document, rules of procedure. So here we took things out of Title IV and put them into, 00:45:40.934 --> 00:45:48.856 - or 2.04, and put them to a separate document. So the idea is we don't need all the detail of how we 00:45:48.856 --> 00:45:56.937 - administrate if we do things in code. And we want to be a little more flexible and put them into just 00:45:56.937 --> 00:46:03.038 - a document that guides our procedures that's separate, that can be reviewed. 00:46:03.234 --> 00:46:14.342 - Yeah, it's been referenced in code. So yes, preliminary questions, please. So in this red line document, 00:46:14.342 --> 00:46:24.921 - there's a couple of different colors. What do they mean? Well, I'm not sure since Christine is here 00:46:24.921 --> 00:46:29.470 - to explain it. I think that where it's not 00:46:32.226 --> 00:46:42.161 - a suggested change. Oh, you can't see that. Okay. I think the, the red bold, the bright red bold is 00:46:42.161 --> 00:46:52.195 - from ESOCK. And then the darker red is something that's things that we subsequently. Like the staff. 00:46:52.195 --> 00:47:01.534 - There's also a purple. Yeah. Well, I think that purple is what's being counted as the darker. 00:47:03.650 --> 00:47:13.906 - Do you want to share it on the screen at all? I think that's because she was compiling one document 00:47:13.906 --> 00:47:24.367 - from a couple different ones. And I know that like Lisa had these changes like on paper, like she had 00:47:24.367 --> 00:47:30.110 - a paper copy of code that she had been making notes on. 00:47:31.746 --> 00:47:37.834 - But the color differences that you're seeing are more dates of when they're added as opposed to persons. 00:47:37.834 --> 00:47:43.923 - I believe you that these are different changes for different people. It's not, I'm sorry, I'm not trying 00:47:43.923 --> 00:47:50.127 - to. I'm just looking at the original Google Docs. So like, purple's in October, bright red is in November. 00:47:50.127 --> 00:47:56.215 - You know, it's kind of. I found the purple setting. I thought that. Oh yes, it's like a line down there. 00:47:56.215 --> 00:48:01.086 - Yeah. I thought that you were thinking of the purple as kind of like a purpley red. 00:48:01.410 --> 00:48:15.925 - The maroon, maroon, maroon. There's some in green that I did. So if we go through here, the duties of 00:48:15.925 --> 00:48:30.014 - president, that first change, the bright, bold red color, I believe, is Hermeson. Because it's not 00:48:31.106 --> 00:48:38.232 - It's not a suggestion, right? You click on it in, okay, you guys have a PDF. I'm in the Google Doc, 00:48:38.232 --> 00:48:45.430 - and you click on it, and it doesn't reflect any, that anybody made a change. So I think that was- So 00:48:45.430 --> 00:48:52.556 - that would have been your original document. That was I, I was trying to find the link to join. You 00:48:52.556 --> 00:48:57.758 - created for us. I didn't see when you counted them, right? Really? Yeah. 00:49:00.514 --> 00:49:13.203 - That's why I was trying to find the email. First, I was checking the document. It is on the forward-facing 00:49:13.203 --> 00:49:26.366 - one, just on the internal one. I will send the beginning. Is that OK? So one thing I do want to go back and do 00:49:26.882 --> 00:49:35.923 - is compare this to what Isaka originally sent. But I just think if memory serves, I think his changes 00:49:35.923 --> 00:49:45.406 - are in here in one way or another. I think, I mean, what I remember of that is that it was mostly crossing 00:49:45.406 --> 00:49:54.358 - a whole lot of things out. Yes. Yes. And did you create then the start of this administrative manual 00:49:54.358 --> 00:49:55.422 - at the end? 00:49:56.706 --> 00:50:20.082 - No, Christine did an IAS. Okay, so Christine is the one that started that. The PDF didn't include any 00:50:20.082 --> 00:50:26.270 - comments, did it? Correct. 00:50:27.746 --> 00:50:35.576 - The workaround for that is you have to download it to a Word document and then convert it to a PDF. 00:50:35.576 --> 00:50:43.563 - Oh, it's complicated. It's very niche knowledge. I'm impressed that you know that. I know everything. 00:50:43.563 --> 00:50:51.628 - So is somebody going to share this or should I? I think Larry's going to share his screen. OK, and can 00:50:51.628 --> 00:50:55.230 - you share the Google Doc, Larry? OK, perfect. 00:50:57.666 --> 00:51:11.915 - Oh, no. Are you blocked? Sun City computers allow and others do not. OK, yeah, you're good. Well, that 00:51:11.915 --> 00:51:26.718 - is helpful with the comments, actually. Yes, I'm sorry. I didn't realize the comments didn't come through. 00:51:27.906 --> 00:51:39.595 - Okay. So is it okay if we just start going through this? I'm good with it. All right. So delete and 00:51:39.595 --> 00:51:51.284 - employees because this section doesn't talk about employees of council. That's pretty evident. Then 00:51:51.284 --> 00:51:57.246 - duties of the president. It said it shall preserve 00:51:57.602 --> 00:52:06.024 - Order and decorum. We strike that out and say, ensure that council goals and procedures are followed. 00:52:06.024 --> 00:52:14.364 - That's more specific. And then that last phrase, in the absence of the president, the vice president 00:52:14.364 --> 00:52:22.704 - shall preside. We took that out because we created a new paragraph duties of vice president. Now the 00:52:22.704 --> 00:52:24.190 - sergeant at arms, 00:52:26.722 --> 00:52:33.347 - Yeah, why did all that get deleted? Because we do not follow it. So it says, the chief police or his 00:52:33.347 --> 00:52:40.104 - designee shall act as sergeant at arms, shall be the duty of sergeant at arms to preserve order in the 00:52:40.104 --> 00:52:46.795 - council chambers under the direction of presiding officer, to act as a messenger of the council under 00:52:46.795 --> 00:52:51.518 - the direction of the city clerk by serving notices of special meetings. 00:52:52.770 --> 00:53:02.057 - upon council members and to procure the attendance of absent council members when the board is not present. 00:53:02.057 --> 00:53:10.741 - Procure the attendance. I've told my kids before, if they're like, don't go to city council tonight, 00:53:10.741 --> 00:53:18.910 - don't go. I'll be like, oh man, the police will show up and drag me. I gotta go. That is true. 00:53:19.042 --> 00:53:26.465 - I said that I don't want to strike that thing though because we are doing part of it and that we do 00:53:26.465 --> 00:53:34.185 - have a designee survey in the chamber as security and that if if there was a problem with actually last 00:53:34.185 --> 00:53:41.830 - year the year before I mean the sergeant of arms that has had to remove unruly public from the chamber 00:53:41.830 --> 00:53:46.878 - under direction of the president but does it work and and it's it's 00:53:46.978 --> 00:53:53.406 - extraordinarily rare, but they're having cases where the sergeant in arms, we just haven't had one. 00:53:53.406 --> 00:53:59.834 - So would that make it a problem if we have it codified about a sergeant in arms and there isn't one 00:53:59.834 --> 00:54:06.133 - available for us? Well, we do have it codified. Well, yeah, there isn't. So should we have? Well, 00:54:06.133 --> 00:54:12.947 - I mean, say the meeting cannot proceed if there is no sergeant in arms. The last sentence is the craziest 00:54:12.947 --> 00:54:15.582 - to me. To surrender any dangerous weapon 00:54:15.682 --> 00:54:25.189 - Other than a firearm. Well, that's because they can't do that. I know. I know. I just like the way that 00:54:25.189 --> 00:54:34.788 - it's well, but it does say further down that a gun cannot be intentioned with this blade. Yeah. Is there 00:54:34.788 --> 00:54:41.278 - any state code that does say as to, oh, that's firearm. Yeah. Is this? 00:54:43.138 --> 00:54:49.687 - I mean, I assume it's not in state code that we have to have a slide committee on this, because else 00:54:49.687 --> 00:54:56.235 - Christine wouldn't have crossed that out. But I know, I understand what you're saying, Hopi, that we 00:54:56.235 --> 00:55:02.849 - do like to have a police officer there. And the only reason why they're there is because- To preserve 00:55:02.849 --> 00:55:09.527 - order, we could just keep the first part. We can take out the part where they have to act as messenger 00:55:09.527 --> 00:55:12.510 - and go cure the attendance of absent members. 00:55:13.058 --> 00:55:21.138 - When a quorum is not present. I do actually remember what in 2023, when there was a certain member who 00:55:21.138 --> 00:55:29.296 - was delayed because of something about bicycle parking and a scooter that like lost power or something. 00:55:29.296 --> 00:55:37.298 - Then the quorum was not reached and the meetings had to start like 20 minutes late. Yes. I don't know 00:55:37.298 --> 00:55:41.534 - if the Sargent of Art is in for keyword check or not. 00:55:42.754 --> 00:55:50.274 - They also don't serve notices. Right. Yeah. Under the direction of a city clerk. And if we keep the 00:55:50.274 --> 00:55:57.794 - first sentence, most of the second sentence, and I suppose the last sentence we should leave in for 00:55:57.794 --> 00:56:05.464 - safety. Absolutely. I mean, the fact is, I don't feel safe if there's not a search. Yeah. And I mean, 00:56:05.464 --> 00:56:09.374 - there was, I can't remember why anymore, but there, 00:56:09.570 --> 00:56:15.206 - was at least one meeting when I was president that there wasn't a sergeant in arms and I messaged the 00:56:15.206 --> 00:56:20.788 - chief was like, why isn't there anybody here? And it was because the usual person was out. And so it 00:56:20.788 --> 00:56:26.424 - was just a coordination issue and so he came at late, but. Yeah, there was an issue recently where we 00:56:26.424 --> 00:56:32.005 - had like a big crowd of people there and we didn't have one. I got up and I moved a little bit and I 00:56:32.005 --> 00:56:37.531 - said, yeah, I don't, we can't do this. They're not okay. And she called them and got somebody to go 00:56:37.531 --> 00:56:38.526 - right away. Yeah. 00:56:38.978 --> 00:56:45.146 - So what if we just keep the chief of police or his designee, or their designee, I don't need to close 00:56:45.146 --> 00:56:51.314 - my mask. Yes. Shall act as sergeant at arms. It shall be the duty of the sergeant at arms to preserve 00:56:51.314 --> 00:56:57.483 - order in the council chambers and to the direction of the presiding officer. The sergeant at arms may 00:56:57.483 --> 00:57:03.590 - request any person at attendance at a council meeting to surrender any dangerous weapon other than a 00:57:03.590 --> 00:57:08.670 - firearm is to find at any unknown. Perfect. Yes, I think that's it. Now, do we need 00:57:08.770 --> 00:57:18.208 - to keep employees then in the title because Sergeant Adams is an employee of the city. But they're not 00:57:18.208 --> 00:57:27.371 - one of ours. Not an employee of council though. This is the chapter that has common council. Member 00:57:27.371 --> 00:57:36.718 - of council either though. Isn't that an officer? There you go. Officer? I don't know, but the officer 00:57:36.718 --> 00:57:37.726 - here is an 00:57:38.082 --> 00:57:44.656 - Is implied that it's a president vice president. Yeah. Maybe we just need to put a little star by there 00:57:44.656 --> 00:57:51.166 - and rethink this whole title. The title is not binding on anything in terms of the interpretation. So, 00:57:51.166 --> 00:57:57.676 - whether it says employees or not, it doesn't really, it's not going to, no one's going to be like, oh, 00:57:57.676 --> 00:58:03.934 - this entire title is legally invalid because it didn't say employees. It actually does not matter. 00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:12.364 - I don't get it. If I saw employees, I would assume it would have our counsel attorney in there. Oh, 00:58:12.364 --> 00:58:20.599 - I know. I agree. I'm just wondering because it has that sergeant at arms as if we keep the sergeant 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:29.245 - arms in there and change that title or maybe have maybe move the sergeant arms into a different article. 00:58:29.245 --> 00:58:30.398 - I don't know. 00:58:30.946 --> 00:58:38.751 - If we put it under meetings and rules of procedure, then the sergeant at arms shall be present at all 00:58:38.751 --> 00:58:46.403 - regular and special meetings of the full council. Because if we move it under meetings and rules of 00:58:46.403 --> 00:58:54.284 - procedure, then we would have to, I think, specify that the sergeant at arms is only expected for full 00:58:54.284 --> 00:58:59.870 - meetings of council. If we put it under the language that we required to 00:59:00.450 --> 00:59:07.599 - not have a meeting there. If one is not, if we have another scenario where they're outside, are we required 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:14.219 - to shut the meeting? I would just leave the bird is. All right. But we can, I mean, maybe play with 00:59:14.219 --> 00:59:21.235 - this. This is the first pass. I'm sure that when we get a clean up bird, we can say something. All right. 00:59:21.235 --> 00:59:27.855 - There's just a lot of stuff in here. I want to make sure that we don't get caught up in that stuff, 00:59:27.855 --> 00:59:30.238 - but it's not super legally binding. 00:59:30.498 --> 00:59:39.375 - Okay, so then we decided to delete all this duties of city clerk, basically because it's under common 00:59:39.375 --> 00:59:48.253 - council. City clerk is not under the common council. And then I guess we, you know, we can invite the 00:59:48.253 --> 00:59:57.217 - city clerk to tell us if any of this needs to be in our code. And then we put it in a new chapter, our 00:59:57.217 --> 01:00:00.350 - city clerk. So I welcome the clerk. 01:00:00.770 --> 01:00:07.485 - Yeah, we'll defer to Cliff Holden, but I think so much is already codified in the state code that there 01:00:07.485 --> 01:00:14.006 - may not be a reason to duplicate it. So it would be things outside of state code, perhaps. That's my 01:00:14.006 --> 01:00:20.721 - suspicion. Is there any way that it makes sense to have our code refer to state code? Possibly. Because 01:00:20.721 --> 01:00:27.306 - of the responsibilities of this. But I think maybe this is a question, but if code is silent, then it 01:00:27.306 --> 01:00:29.566 - does default to state code anyway. 01:00:29.922 --> 01:00:37.079 - So it might not be necessary to say less is more, maybe. First pass. OK. You do have to have a problem. 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:43.960 - There's no catch-all. So state code's updated. Then this becomes, if this stuff's deferred to state 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:50.979 - code, state code's going to control it. But then this is going to be out of date. It creates updating 01:00:50.979 --> 01:00:55.934 - problems. That happens. Yeah, for sure. You did a lot of it again. Yes. 01:00:58.114 --> 01:01:07.081 - Okay, then we added duties of the parliamentarian. I like that. I think it makes sense. There's no vice 01:01:07.081 --> 01:01:15.875 - president duties. I didn't have a problem with the text. Okay, and then we go to article two. Another 01:01:15.875 --> 01:01:24.670 - thing about this whole session is that it has articles. No other part of municipal code has articles. 01:01:25.698 --> 01:01:35.531 - And so I find it rather strange. So we have 2.04. And then we have 2.0. It just continues 2.04. Yeah. 01:01:35.531 --> 01:01:45.268 - I mean, I don't know if we want to think about relabeling some of these numbers. But anyway, that's. 01:01:45.268 --> 01:01:55.294 - Could I add one piece of information to you? So we will be working on making the online code accessible 01:01:55.970 --> 01:02:02.671 - So a lot of that numbering system is going to be updated. Timeline, there's three phases in my head, 01:02:02.671 --> 01:02:09.438 - one year, two year, and three year. I think it'll be done in three years if it's done well. So that's 01:02:09.438 --> 01:02:16.404 - the goal. But some of the not using them in numerals, a lot of the accessibility stuff that our codifier 01:02:16.404 --> 01:02:23.437 - is not doing, we will be doing. If you wanted to mirror the rest of code, we'll just call these chapters. 01:02:23.437 --> 01:02:24.830 - And it will be like, 01:02:24.962 --> 01:02:37.443 - chapter 2.04, chapter 2.04. Right, but even, see, it's all 2.04. I think a lot of this is under logistics, 01:02:37.443 --> 01:02:49.340 - which maybe would be better suited for a second pass through. Yeah. Okay. So regular meetings. I have 01:02:49.340 --> 01:02:52.606 - a hard time with 531. Okay. 01:02:55.522 --> 01:03:03.450 - So this is a little strange. Yeah, I had a little note on this, that this seems sparse and no longer 01:03:03.450 --> 01:03:11.377 - seems to make sense in context. The only sentence in A is the council made by majority vote dispense 01:03:11.377 --> 01:03:19.226 - with any regular session or to change the date of the meeting, but at least one meeting is healthy. 01:03:19.226 --> 01:03:22.366 - Maybe it doesn't give any context about 01:03:25.026 --> 01:03:34.978 - what it is that we're talking about. I don't know, it's weird. We maybe change it to at least one meeting 01:03:34.978 --> 01:03:44.554 - is held, at least one regular session meeting is held each month, generally at 6.30 on, I don't know, 01:03:44.554 --> 01:03:52.158 - the first Wednesday to third Wednesday, or if we want to say that, and then say, 01:03:52.546 --> 01:04:04.290 - The council may by majority vote dispense any regular sessions or to change the date of a meeting. Yeah, 01:04:04.290 --> 01:04:15.811 - that makes no sense. The council will need at least. I mean, sure. And we'll adopt an annual schedule. 01:04:15.811 --> 01:04:19.390 - Yeah. Yeah. Is like, should we? 01:04:20.802 --> 01:04:31.650 - Should we put in code that we will adopt an annual schedule? Yes, by December 31st of the previous year. 01:04:31.650 --> 01:04:42.497 - And then. Basically, we can change it as we want. If you already have this, this is kind of if you could 01:04:42.497 --> 01:04:50.142 - have a, I mean, you should definitely have the floor for what's required. 01:04:51.074 --> 01:05:01.822 - Yeah, and see, that's because in E, it started out by saying that we can schedule a summer recess. Like, 01:05:01.822 --> 01:05:12.058 - E was specific to summer recess and then on the edit to it, it changed. So we can probably actually 01:05:12.058 --> 01:05:19.838 - strike all of E as long as we put in the annual schedule approval, but the. 01:05:21.026 --> 01:05:29.190 - Um, so it will be something like the council will meet at least once per month and will adopt an annual 01:05:29.190 --> 01:05:37.512 - schedule prior to the start of each calendar year. Council may by majority vote dispense with any regular 01:05:37.512 --> 01:05:45.833 - session or change the date of the meeting provided. Yeah, no, period. Yeah, and then see 1st pass, right? 01:05:45.833 --> 01:05:49.758 - 1st pass council should not be down the holidays. 01:05:50.914 --> 01:05:57.757 - Well, and then if the schedule meeting falls on a legal holiday, the council may majority vote reschedule 01:05:57.757 --> 01:06:04.536 - the meeting. Is that kind of a move point? Because if we do the annual schedule, we look for that. Yeah. 01:06:04.536 --> 01:06:11.186 - And we already have an A that we can change the set of the date if we need to. So we just need to keep 01:06:11.186 --> 01:06:17.706 - the council shall not be on legal holidays as defined in Indiana code. Yeah. And maybe do we want to 01:06:17.706 --> 01:06:19.966 - keep that specific code reference? 01:06:20.578 --> 01:06:37.950 - Is that code runtime still all applicable? I think that's just a mistake. It's just that you should 01:06:37.950 --> 01:06:48.894 - because it's where the legal holidays are listed. OK. And then 01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:57.677 - The current PD, oh, yeah, we can get rid of that. Okay, so then see. The year following its election, 01:06:57.677 --> 01:07:05.145 - the council shall hold its 1st, regular meeting. No later than the 2nd of January. So here we're. The 01:07:05.145 --> 01:07:12.758 - goal was to try to be less specific in case we decide we're going to start meeting Thursday. You things 01:07:12.758 --> 01:07:16.126 - are going to start meeting at 7 or, you know. 01:07:16.386 --> 01:07:23.772 - You'd have to plan that like two years in advance. That would like the trickle-down effect of like changing 01:07:23.772 --> 01:07:30.748 - Harvey V. United would change every county council screwed and then. Well, yeah, but even other folks 01:07:30.748 --> 01:07:37.929 - that use council chambers like ECA meets on Thursday nights and Plain Commission meets on Monday nights. 01:07:37.929 --> 01:07:42.238 - Like, oh my gosh, the trickle-down effect. Well, anyway. Yeah. 01:07:42.690 --> 01:07:53.909 - We're trying to remove specificity so that it's not as hard to change if we. Yeah. Like that, that makes 01:07:53.909 --> 01:08:05.448 - sense. Okay. So here it tries to address the situation we had in January of 2024 when the Council President 01:08:05.448 --> 01:08:12.606 - of the biggest year was not a member. Right. My question here was, 01:08:13.026 --> 01:08:20.646 - Why shouldn't it first be the VP from the year before? Because there may not be a member either. And 01:08:20.646 --> 01:08:28.341 - so it's best as a catch-all to say whoever has the greatest number of total years of service. I mean, 01:08:28.341 --> 01:08:35.734 - I don't think any VP is going to be offended if it goes to somebody who's been there long enough. 01:08:35.734 --> 01:08:39.582 - I mean, it's like 10 minutes of the first meeting. 01:08:40.290 --> 01:08:48.426 - It's also just like presiding over an election, and like really any of us could do it. I think that 01:08:48.426 --> 01:08:56.643 - just needs someone. Just a way to make it a fair designation without any debate. The longest tenure, 01:08:56.643 --> 01:09:05.430 - like there's always an answer. Unless, and I'm seven for this. Christine did put it in the notes somewhere. 01:09:05.430 --> 01:09:08.766 - What if everybody on the council is new? 01:09:09.410 --> 01:09:15.590 - But I think we can cross that bridge when and if we ever get there. Oh my God. This is all just extra 01:09:15.590 --> 01:09:21.831 - nice to do from India state code. So the state code says you shall elect your officers. It doesn't say 01:09:21.831 --> 01:09:27.951 - the mayor, but you have to do it. So yeah. OK. All right. Then we can just make it. Well, do we need 01:09:27.951 --> 01:09:34.010 - to define at all who's going to preside over this? That's what I was going to say. We can just make 01:09:34.010 --> 01:09:38.494 - it so vague that by tradition, the president does. Do we just scratch it? 01:09:39.138 --> 01:09:46.415 - No, because I think what Courtney said is important unless we just put it into the rules of procedure. 01:09:46.415 --> 01:09:53.622 - But I think it is important to designate who will do this so that it's not like, oh, my buddy here is 01:09:53.622 --> 01:10:01.041 - going to preside and give me more time. I mean, we want to make it impartial. OK. Yes, I hear you. Well, 01:10:01.041 --> 01:10:08.318 - good, because I thought I was saying the same thing you were saying. No, actually, I was trying to say 01:10:08.450 --> 01:10:13.846 - in your spirit of keeping it vague, like updates, I was like, why can't we keep this vague? So that's 01:10:13.846 --> 01:10:19.242 - not a huge, I was actually saying the opposite, but I understand your argument. Yeah, but I would say 01:10:19.242 --> 01:10:24.532 - that too. I would say, well, if we just scratch it out entirely and don't define it, then it's kind 01:10:24.532 --> 01:10:30.034 - of assumed that it would be the president from the prior year or the vice president from the prior year 01:10:30.034 --> 01:10:35.483 - and like going down. Well, I would rather not have those assumptions, but I wouldn't mind putting that 01:10:35.483 --> 01:10:37.758 - in the rules of procedure around the code. 01:10:37.922 --> 01:10:45.719 - I think we just need to say it somewhere, just so that like, that's fine. Whenever there's a new council 01:10:45.719 --> 01:10:53.220 - body, like, you know, what's expected. Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel precious about the topic. It's okay. 01:10:53.220 --> 01:11:00.646 - Okay. D, in subsequent years, the council shall hold its first meeting no later than the second. We 01:11:00.646 --> 01:11:05.918 - continue to elect officers, the council president. Okay. E, we decided 01:11:06.914 --> 01:11:21.029 - We don't need to eat because it's been covered. Right. Because it's just the holidays and gee, I'm so 01:11:21.029 --> 01:11:29.886 - thankful to get rid of G because that nearly created a problem. 01:11:30.850 --> 01:11:41.872 - In terms of the potential of vetoes and the lab to over a resource. So. Yeah, I like getting rid of 01:11:41.872 --> 01:11:53.004 - the members residents to. Do not show up at my house. But in the emergency meetings, I like the cost 01:11:53.004 --> 01:11:58.846 - off. Oh, I notice left in the members. Yeah, that's. 01:11:59.074 --> 01:12:19.255 - But I was actually like wondering if we should put. Personal notification on there or something to allow 01:12:19.255 --> 01:12:26.366 - for. Oh, no, I guess it's in person. 01:12:28.002 --> 01:12:35.094 - Yeah, I don't know. I guess I was wondering if we should have snail mail in there. That was the thing. 01:12:35.094 --> 01:12:42.185 - It was like, what if, I mean, we're not actually going to write snail mail, but like a paper document, 01:12:42.185 --> 01:12:49.277 - like handing somebody a paper document, like if we should keep that in there as a possibility, or like 01:12:49.277 --> 01:12:56.300 - mailing a paper document or, I don't know, because what if all the technology dies and the only thing 01:12:56.300 --> 01:12:57.470 - that's worth it? 01:12:57.634 --> 01:13:08.593 - So just adding writing. Yeah, so we could change email to by writing either written communication. So 01:13:08.593 --> 01:13:17.726 - we can say written communication instead of for email right because couldn't that be 01:13:18.178 --> 01:13:25.014 - a paper document or an email, if you just say written communication? Yeah, I mean, if I'm contract drafting, 01:13:25.014 --> 01:13:30.721 - I'm going to say in writing electronically or, you know, like I'm going to cover both. OK. 01:13:30.721 --> 01:13:37.180 - But. Electronically or physically? Yeah. Yeah. So in person, in writing, which makes it clunky. Right. 01:13:37.180 --> 01:13:43.828 - Or by telephone. And does that imply it could be text or code? I think you're covered by both the writing 01:13:43.828 --> 01:13:48.030 - and the telephone. Yeah. Oh, true. That's what I was saying. Yeah. 01:13:48.514 --> 01:13:57.525 - Yes, text messages are in writing. Unless you do a voice. Unless you do a voice now, which also is. 01:13:57.525 --> 01:14:06.535 - Oh, I see when you were voicemail though. Yeah. But I guess we're going to send a voicemail message 01:14:06.535 --> 01:14:16.177 - over the telephone, sort of. I don't know. So keeping us on track. Yeah, and we still have public comment. 01:14:16.177 --> 01:14:17.438 - All right. So 01:14:18.114 --> 01:14:28.169 - Budget meetings, deleted. Because it's in state code, that's what we do. And the details of how we do 01:14:28.169 --> 01:14:38.027 - it can be a little smaller. First procedure. The council shall perform its duties. No, really? Yes. 01:14:38.027 --> 01:14:46.110 - Yes, we should. Should we specify that in any way in terms of the annual meeting? 01:14:46.242 --> 01:14:54.450 - schedule that's going to get referenced up in A of the 2.0405 to say something like the annual meeting 01:14:54.450 --> 01:15:02.737 - schedule includes the regular meetings, no special sessions, and budget meetings. I could go into rules 01:15:02.737 --> 01:15:10.945 - of procedure. Let's see. Yeah. Budget meetings. See, we put this, if you look at the rules for a major 01:15:10.945 --> 01:15:15.646 - document. I mean, putting it in here where you modified A, 01:15:15.906 --> 01:15:22.999 - the 2.04050A to add in that note about approving the annals of medical meetings, that the annals of 01:15:22.999 --> 01:15:30.093 - medical meetings will include regular meetings, non-special session. Yeah, I don't think we need to 01:15:30.093 --> 01:15:37.611 - add that there. Okay. But if you feel- I just want to make sure that it's there somewhere so that there's 01:15:37.611 --> 01:15:44.350 - an understanding that this is something that council is responsible for. Well, if you look at, 01:15:44.706 --> 01:15:50.958 - most for rules of procedure page 27 of the packet. Right. I have under council meetings, adoption of 01:15:50.958 --> 01:15:57.271 - annual schedule. Yeah. Meetings generally first and third Wednesday, no legislation for first reading 01:15:57.271 --> 01:16:03.770 - and the last session of the year. Right. So I think there we could put the details of the schedule shall 01:16:03.770 --> 01:16:10.145 - include budget meetings. I guess I'm wondering where are these rules of procedure going to be kept and 01:16:10.145 --> 01:16:12.126 - so like for a community member, 01:16:12.674 --> 01:16:23.646 - They would be on this website, I think. They posted it, yeah. But if they're reading BMC, is they going 01:16:23.646 --> 01:16:34.407 - to be able to know where to go from there? We can add, at the very start of this chapter, a paragraph 01:16:34.407 --> 01:16:41.054 - that says, more specific rules, a procedure can be found here. 01:16:41.826 --> 01:16:49.372 - are in a separate document that can be requested from the council office or I don't know how, but can 01:16:49.372 --> 01:16:56.992 - we allow it to link in GMC Sophia? I'm sorry, say that again. Are we allowed to link within GMC? Yeah. 01:16:56.992 --> 01:17:04.464 - I would just say refer to them so people can ask. It's also behavior change. I think they'll know to 01:17:04.464 --> 01:17:10.974 - not look at code after a certain point. You can make the announcement at each meetings. 01:17:11.074 --> 01:17:17.383 - the rules for procedure here. Yeah. I think what I would say is I would add a specific reference to 01:17:17.383 --> 01:17:23.756 - it. Like this may be found as the rules and proceedings as adopted by so they know like you can have 01:17:23.756 --> 01:17:30.570 - multiple forms and then it's on your front facing webpage kind of pie rules and procedure council meetings. 01:17:30.570 --> 01:17:37.195 - And that's probably sufficient. Links and code, links get broken too often. Site changes all that stuff. 01:17:37.195 --> 01:17:38.078 - And it's also 01:17:39.106 --> 01:17:52.144 - You'd have to have the full URL or otherwise to code. Well, speaking of which look 2.04.075 and council 01:17:52.144 --> 01:18:04.931 - rules procedure. Council shall adopt and maintain a council rules procedure document. So there we go. 01:18:04.931 --> 01:18:08.190 - I don't know if you think 01:18:08.290 --> 01:18:18.458 - Y'all think we should put that higher up? I think probably we should put it higher up, but this is the 01:18:18.458 --> 01:18:26.750 - first pass. Right. So I mean, for my like personal processing, it would be helpful. 01:18:27.010 --> 01:18:33.471 - to like for changing the order of things to not have a red line version where you're doing that. So 01:18:33.471 --> 01:18:39.933 - then it's like, so it can be read without all the cross-throughs and then go, okay, like this makes 01:18:39.933 --> 01:18:46.588 - sense up here and like these two things relate to each other, but they're far away. Yeah. So we'll get 01:18:46.588 --> 01:18:53.372 - us to hash out once we've hashed out all of the. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then we have parliamentary authority, 01:18:53.372 --> 01:18:56.926 - which crossed out and put into the rules of procedure. 01:18:58.722 --> 01:19:06.649 - Oh, is that where, is that a note on the side that it's crossed out and then move to rules and procedure? 01:19:06.649 --> 01:19:14.426 - Yes. Okay. Yeah, it's hard because it really would benefit to have the notes on your screen at the same 01:19:14.426 --> 01:19:21.979 - time so you'd see that, yes, move to rules and procedure. And the same with amendment and suspension 01:19:21.979 --> 01:19:24.222 - of rules. Then we have forum. 01:19:26.754 --> 01:19:33.886 - The presiding officer shall take the chair, the hour designated, that thought was not necessary to put 01:19:33.886 --> 01:19:40.879 - in code. Do we need to keep that the city clerk needs to call a roll though? No, that'll be in rules 01:19:40.879 --> 01:19:48.081 - of procedure as part of it. It's already in our agenda. Or if it's a section, if there's a new- There's 01:19:48.081 --> 01:19:54.174 - a collection of the clerk, yeah. Then we have majority members, the council constitute, 01:20:00.930 --> 01:20:09.703 - Again, delete, the sergeant at arms procures the attendance. That was really strict. And then seating 01:20:09.703 --> 01:20:18.649 - up members, limits on debate, a move to annul the procedure. Asks us for meeting, I added that the city 01:20:18.649 --> 01:20:27.594 - clerk should also be informed. I thought that was actually a rule. I'm surprised it wasn't there. Yeah. 01:20:27.594 --> 01:20:28.798 - Sorry, Weary. 01:20:28.994 --> 01:20:40.764 - At the end of this paragraph on absence from meeting, there's two. Yeah, they're a little. Well, we 01:20:40.764 --> 01:20:53.123 - crossed out. We skipped a whole page there. Yeah, we crossed out CDF members. Yeah, because that's going 01:20:53.123 --> 01:20:55.006 - to go into the. 01:20:55.522 --> 01:21:04.462 - Rules and procedures and the limits on debate is going to go into rules and procedures. Correct. Then 01:21:04.462 --> 01:21:13.489 - we're at absence from meeting. Then we have- There's two periods that they don't apply right now. Yes. 01:21:13.489 --> 01:21:22.604 - It's gone. My God, people. Nobody's criticizing. I'm helping. There's two periods that they don't apply 01:21:22.604 --> 01:21:24.094 - right now. Okay. 01:21:24.898 --> 01:21:35.244 - Conflict of interest, orderliness of members, is that move too? Yes. How about orderliness of CCP members? 01:21:35.244 --> 01:21:45.009 - That's not required. This is true. Wait a minute, orderliness of members. I don't think we put that. 01:21:45.009 --> 01:21:51.294 - No, we did. We did put that in there. Okay. All right. And then, 01:21:51.458 --> 01:21:59.768 - We should probably go to public comment. Wait, where did we leave off? Is everything that's crossed 01:21:59.768 --> 01:22:08.410 - out in entirety moved into the rules and procedures document? Unfortunately, I can't say that for sure. 01:22:08.410 --> 01:22:16.720 - I looked and no. No. Some of them are just covered up. We need to do a comparison then. Yeah. Where 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.958 - did we leave off? Conflict of interest. 150. Okay. 01:22:22.530 --> 01:22:30.898 - Well, let's leave off there and go to public comment. Is there anybody in the public who would like 01:22:30.898 --> 01:22:39.433 - to comment on the Title II revisions? Is this why you're here today? Yes. We're happy to actually get 01:22:39.433 --> 01:22:47.885 - it. Well, we'll have up to three minutes. Excuse me if I'm bothering you. Alice, the conference room 01:22:47.885 --> 01:22:50.814 - is. So fair. Thank you. Of course. 01:22:52.194 --> 01:23:00.724 - Hi, Steve Wolin. I have quite a few things to say, but they could all be summarized by maybe don't be 01:23:00.724 --> 01:23:09.086 - so. There's a lot of wisdom in the code. I'm going to hear you speak for the code, that a lot of it 01:23:09.086 --> 01:23:17.532 - was there for a reason. There's clearly plenty of it that needs to be cut. But for example, I'm just 01:23:17.532 --> 01:23:21.630 - stunned that you would cut the sergeant at arms. 01:23:21.730 --> 01:23:28.910 - Like, um, uh, I know, but, but just the, you know, to take the sergeant arms out of the text when you 01:23:28.910 --> 01:23:35.949 - need it, you need it, even if you never, I mean, and I'll also point out that, uh, uh, when it came 01:23:35.949 --> 01:23:42.988 - to the question of who should preside 1971, there was a wholesale turnover of the council. Charles, 01:23:42.988 --> 01:23:47.774 - it was elected president of the council when she had no experience. 01:23:48.258 --> 01:23:56.545 - You can may have that. What happens to this body? Look how long these rules have lasted and through 01:23:56.545 --> 01:24:04.915 - how many different types of councils and philosophies. If it's a wholesale turnover of council, what 01:24:04.915 --> 01:24:13.533 - kind of rules will they have? Shacking structure rules of procedure is a good idea, but I'd be hesitant 01:24:13.533 --> 01:24:18.174 - to offload as much as you all are thinking about doing. 01:24:18.658 --> 01:24:26.051 - I always thought that the clerk was the clerk of the common council and that's why their official duties 01:24:26.051 --> 01:24:33.443 - were listed in that section. I don't know that necessarily binds the clerk inappropriately to note that. 01:24:33.443 --> 01:24:40.554 - I do agree about the end of the year and veto overrides that rule can go. I've got a lot of opinions 01:24:40.554 --> 01:24:48.158 - and I'm going to be following you all this with interest, but the specificity of these rules was the point. 01:24:48.386 --> 01:24:55.055 - The council isn't supposed to be flexible. You all just noticed that everybody else bases their schedule 01:24:55.055 --> 01:25:01.723 - on council meetings. Why do you want to be more flexible for your own convenience? Or, I mean, the point 01:25:01.723 --> 01:25:08.583 - is that you're a deliberative body. You're deliberating. The rules are supposed to be literally deliberate. 01:25:08.583 --> 01:25:14.934 - The word has those two meanings, but they're in the same word for a reason. So how's my time doing? 01:25:14.934 --> 01:25:18.046 - What time do I have left? 45 seconds. All right. 01:25:19.394 --> 01:25:25.315 - It's impossible for me to comment on everything that's going on. It's all going so fast, I'm going to 01:25:25.315 --> 01:25:31.410 - have to read and maybe submit something in writing. But just one last thing, I'll point out the conflict 01:25:31.410 --> 01:25:37.215 - of interest section. If you take it out of what it rules of procedure, it says to the public, maybe 01:25:37.215 --> 01:25:43.252 - it's not as important to you all. Maybe there's a reason it's in code that it sends a message that this 01:25:43.252 --> 01:25:46.270 - is what the council is willing to put into the law. 01:25:48.418 --> 01:25:54.632 - you get my message. I don't know, just take things a little, nevermind, I'll stop. Thank you. 01:25:54.632 --> 01:26:01.574 - Thank you. So next steps with code revisions, was this helpful or was this too many cooks in the kitchen 01:26:01.574 --> 01:26:08.317 - here today? Because we could have another session like this and just keep it. I think it was helpful. 01:26:08.317 --> 01:26:14.928 - I think it was helpful. I do kind of echo Steve. I did run this question out, what's the benefit to 01:26:14.928 --> 01:26:18.366 - having this in a separate document versus the code? 01:26:18.754 --> 01:26:27.356 - And I think that we should really ask ourselves that in terms of which things we should keep in code 01:26:27.356 --> 01:26:36.043 - versus remove from code. And I think that question of why are we trying to give ourselves flexibility 01:26:36.043 --> 01:26:44.645 - is good. Like, what's the purpose of the flexibility? And if we want to do something that I can't do 01:26:44.645 --> 01:26:47.966 - now, then allowing that specific thing 01:26:48.770 --> 01:26:57.119 - are might be a better path to follow. If there's something specific, like for example, the defining 01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:05.968 - exactly when summer recesses and exactly when you can't meet over recesses, exactly when winter recesses, 01:27:05.968 --> 01:27:14.567 - to make that more flexible, there's a really good solid reason for that. It's a just in case. Is there 01:27:14.567 --> 01:27:17.406 - anything else that we need to do? 01:27:18.242 --> 01:27:27.967 - I don't think so. When is our next meeting? I think we already have scheduled after recess, right? The 01:27:27.967 --> 01:27:37.880 - clerk's office, no offhand. Let me check. I don't believe so. I think that one is scheduled. Okay. Well, 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:45.150 - this time of the week is still good for people. Yes. Come back after recess. 01:27:47.170 --> 01:27:55.376 - Yeah. So that's the third. So we're not having another meeting until after recess. And would that be 01:27:55.376 --> 01:28:03.338 - August? If you could send it to the first email, we can get it noticed and scheduled. Okay, fine. 01:28:03.338 --> 01:28:11.463 - Thank you. Thank you. Are we usually meeting on the third Wednesday? Is that what we're asking now? 01:28:11.463 --> 01:28:17.150 - This is the third Wednesday. Third? Thursday. Oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. 01:28:17.378 --> 01:28:28.447 - Thursday, it would be the 16th of July, but there are five Thursdays in July. Let's try for the 23rd 01:28:28.447 --> 01:28:39.626 - of July. So that will work for people. Yeah, because I'll be on vacation the 16th. Yeah, it's the day 01:28:39.626 --> 01:28:42.366 - after a regular session. 01:28:45.762 --> 01:28:58.131 - And that is also the day before our first fiscal committee meeting after recess. And 4 to 5.30. Yeah, 01:28:58.131 --> 01:29:10.499 - that's the preference of crates. And it's also the day after quote one registration for Kelly Direct. 01:29:10.499 --> 01:29:14.622 - So, you know, be fragile with me. 01:29:14.850 --> 01:29:17.022 - All right, thank you all.