- As as people are filtering in if if we're gonna go ahead and get this meeting started I'd like to call
- this deliberation session of the Bloomington Common Council here on September 10th to order with the
- clerk, please call the roll Councilmember here Rallo Hey Matt Smith
- Stasberg? Here. Daly? Zulek? Here. Rosenberger? Here. Asari? Here. Great. Thank you so much. I just
- realized that I don't have my agenda right in front of me.
- So tonight first of all, thank everybody for coming because this is a wonderful crowd in here and I'm
- super super excited so in terms of our kind of usual order of meeting stuff the first thing on the agenda
- is to go over the agenda summation and So I'm gonna do a brief introduction of what it is that we're
- doing here tonight and the purpose Then we're gonna get into these breakout groups that some people
- are kind of already in And have some facilitated dialogue with staff and council members. We're gonna
- come back as a whole for
- some group reporting and debriefing, and then we'll adjourn right around 830. So in terms of my introduction,
- let me find it.
- All right, so tonight is part one of two deliberation sessions focused on housing needs in Bloomington.
- This particular session will focus on sharing your personal experiences related to finding and maintaining
- whatever housing you currently have and how your needs are or are not being met. The purpose of the
- session this evening is not to debate specific types of housing or housing policies, but to get a better
- understanding of what needs are and are not being met with our current housing market
- based on the personal experiences of those here. And it is an opportunity for both planning staff and
- council members to learn as well as each of you to build understanding with community members who may
- not live near you or who may have very different housing needs than you do. Part two is planned for
- November 12th and will include a summary of what was heard through this and other related discussions
- that are ongoing through the planning department. There will likely be more specific policy proposals
- for discussion in November.
- So just a couple words about shared expectations and community agreements. First, housing can be a triggering
- conversation and so please enter the space as neutrally and non-judgmentally as possible. Facilitator
- questions are designed to allow participants to share experiences and all experiences are valuable.
- And it is reality that two different people going through the same process will experience it differently
- and both of those perspectives matter and have validity.
- Second, in terms of shared vocabulary, when considering your neighborhood, it is the place where you
- live, work, or play. Whether it's a multi-family structure, an urban block, a suburban subdivision,
- or some other space, that is your neighborhood, and the people living near you are your neighbors, and
- there are many types of neighborhoods.
- Last, as an organizer, and I'm hoping that this goal was met, my goal was to attract a wide diversity
- of participants in hopes that many voices and experiences are represented. So I'm really hopeful that
- we have that there tonight, and I'm really thrilled that so many people came out to share their experiences.
- So as we move into these groups,
- First of all, if you have not already added your demographic information over there on the table, there
- are some containers to put in puff balls to mark whether you rent or whether you own, and then also
- how long you have been in Bloomington, and then there is a big map over there so you can put a pin in
- where you live. And the purpose of that is at the end to go, how well did we diversify? Do we have a
- good renter to owner? Do we have people who've lived here the full spread of time in Bloomington?
- Do we have people from all over Bloomington or mostly in different sectors? So then as we continue this
- process in these discussions, we can make deliberate outreach and planning can make deliberate outreach
- into population groups that might not be represented here or through their other efforts. So that's
- the purpose of that. So if you haven't already done that, please do so. And lastly,
- We're gonna have seven small groups for facilitated conversation, and I haven't counted. I think that
- the groups ended up with six or seven chairs each. We might need to add some chairs, okay? There's five
- groups. There's five groups in here, and there's two out in the hall. And each group will be facilitated
- by a city staff member and a council member as a co-facilitation team. And so for this to be a productive
- time of sharing, it's also important to try to diversify those inner groups as much as possible too.
- hard to say that, right, because just by looking at somebody you don't necessarily know what their housing
- needs are. But, for example, if you came with someone with whom you share housing, consider going to
- different groups, okay, and also try to disperse yourself so that no group is maybe all younger or all
- older, just to kind of do our best in terms of making sure that within those groups we have differences,
- because part of this is to share
- Different experiences so that we all can get a better grasp of understanding what the different needs
- are Yeah, so that is my introduction Oh, no, not quite if you're an online participant this evening
- There is a Google form and so now is the moment that hopefully staff is going to share that QR code
- online and also a link to that so
- so that any online participants can also share their experiences related to housing. There's
- not a conversation option available online, but through the forum, you'll have the opportunity to address
- the prompts and questions that in-room facilitators are going to be asking. Similarly, if you're in
- the room but don't feel comfortable sharing in the small group,
- also feel free to use this form instead. So that even if you're in the room and you're like, I don't
- know if I wanna share, but I want somebody to know what it is that I'm thinking, go ahead and use that
- form and that's fine. At the end of the event, there will also be like a reflections form that people
- can fill out too in terms of this event. So there'll be another QR code. And I think that that is my
- whole introduction. Okay, so.
- Council members, did you all get my email with what group you are? Great, so I think that this is going
- one, two, three, is that four over there? That's five over there, four is here, and then six and seven
- are out in the hall. So yeah, go to your small groups and write about 755. I'll try to gavel us back
- into one big group again. Okay, yes, Council Member Flaherty.
- Related to capacity. I guess it looks like we may have more people than chairs allowed within the groups
- You mentioned getting more chairs just logistically want to make sure that we create a space for everybody.
- So how do we? Ensure that we just Bring a chair with you and just expand the circles So that's it and
- I'm not sure that anybody is sitting outside right now in the chairs that are okay. Perfect So that's
- it. Just try to you know, distribute that as as best as possible Thank you
- One two three four five six seven are in the hall Gosh Yeah, all right. Oh, this is close. Wonderful.
- Thank you All right We are on to the debriefing part of this now and so in the debriefing part of this
- we need our different groups to report out All right. Yeah. Well, maybe you should have read your email
- councilmember. Sorry. I
- I know, right? So many emails. So facilitators. There were two facilitators in each group, so hopefully
- one of you can volunteer right now to report out just for a couple minutes about similarities or differences
- that you heard in your groups and areas of common ground or areas of difference. So who wants to go first?
- Go for it. I'm not going to make Group 1 go first. That's so cruel. Group 3 is going to go first. Jamie,
- thank you so much. All right. I'm with Group 3. My name is Jamie, and I co-facilitated with Hopi. And
- I'll do my best to summarize as concisely as possible. So in terms of how housing is meeting everyone's
- need, most people in our group felt that
- Housing was meeting their needs for some of the renters We felt maybe like the rent is a little bit
- high but also fair relative to other rents that we see around the city It was definitely expressed that
- there are different preferences especially for different phases in life, so Some people express that
- the house they're in right now is currently meeting their needs but depending on how their life changes
- in the future that could change
- We talked about yards a little bit. So some people had different preferences Liking a big yard that
- they could maintain themselves. Some people didn't like to have a yard that they'd have to maintain.
- So that was an interesting Difference or just people like to have the option and then we talked about
- the short-term rentals and ad use so as far as short-term rentals we did have a perspective of having
- some investors in our group and
- And we didn't really hear any negative experiences from people If they maybe only had like one short-term
- renter rental property in their neighborhood So there weren't really negative experiences expressed
- with that and then as far as ad use there wasn't a ton of firsthand experience with ad use It seemed
- like maybe they were too expensive, but it was an interesting option that people wanted to learn more about and
- Thank you, who's next? Councilmember Rosenberger? Councilmember Zulek? She had to know who I was. Hello
- everyone, thank you for having us.
- I was in group six, best group ever. We had realtors, we had builders, we had homeowners, we had renters,
- we had Monroe County residents, Bloomington residents, so we got some good stuff.
- Everyone had some pretty similar ideals for what they were looking for when they approached housing
- So there were some people whose needs were met because they were getting them and some people whose
- needs were not met because they weren't and that is all about housing affordability walkability ability
- to live near loved ones ability to own a home or
- A lot of what we encountered was there was a lot of people who enjoy the Bryant Park neighborhood and
- the different neighborhoods near campus where they can walk to work. And unfortunately, the affordable
- housing is not necessarily near there, especially if you're looking to buy. And so that was a lot of
- what we talked about in terms of what we look for in housing. And then we ran up against a couple issues
- in terms of
- ad use and just ability to build ad use and then sell them once they're built due to lot sizes, which
- is a very complicated issue that I am probably not the best person to explain to you, but we will get
- there someday and
- Essentially we talked a lot about how we are missing the middle ground housing and that there are a
- lot of different people who are looking for around the $300,000 range maybe older folks who are looking
- to size down or Younger folks who are looking to buy their first home a lot of them are looking for
- the exact same kind of type of housing and that is what Limits it as well. So a lot of it is density
- and Thank you
- That's my presentation. I'm so glad to see so many of you here Thank You council members who look who's
- next Come on up Hi, I'm David Brant as I'm a zoning planner here at the city so we had we had a variety
- of different takes on Housing issues in our group. We did have majority homeowners as well as
- a couple of renters, but it was majority home owners. And then some of them expressed that they felt
- a little bit trapped. Maybe they wanted to get away from crime in their neighborhood or they wanted
- to be in a larger house or have more access to sidewalks.
- Transit more restaurants or amenities like close by so some of that public infrastructure Is what they
- were looking for? and then we also noted that just amongst everyone in the group there was a strong
- desire to live within the city So they did they did like their They did like being in the city and wanted
- to stay there but when we were talking about moving around to different parts of the city of
- price was an issue of finding the right housing type that they wanted at that particular time. So we
- discussed kind of a lack of options or lack of stepping stones to the goal of home ownership, if that's
- your goal, or to own a different type of home. Maybe that's a single family home in a neighborhood that
- has more influence and is able to get those amenities that they want and, you know,
- the maintenance of their infrastructure that they would desire at their neighborhood's standards. And
- then we talked a little bit about ADUs. People seem pretty open to the ideas of ADUs, both from the
- landlord's side and from the renter's side. And then, let's see.
- Think I think that about sums it up I apologize if I missed something from our group that wasn't included
- in the summary But it's in the notes. So thank you so much Thank you, who's next come on up councilmember
- Flaherty I
- All right, thank you. Thank you everyone so much for being here this evening. We were group seven out
- in the hallway, and thank you to Gabriel for facilitating that group. We had 16 folks, 14 of whom were
- homeowners, two renters, also had one apartment and one condo represented among those, but otherwise
- all single-family homes. The majority of folks said housing was meeting their needs, a few said it was
- not. There were themes of both, I have too much house and I don't have enough house,
- right-sizing issues, folks feeling they were under-housed relative to their family's needs. Generally,
- appreciation and love for the neighborhoods and the surrounding amenities. I had some shout-outs and
- praise for traffic calming that made neighborhoods more bikeable and walkable. Also, improvements in
- recent years like along 17th Street, the multi-use path that has really improved neighborhood cohesion,
- walkability to transit, et cetera. But some concerns about
- And this is kind of where people's minds went on what they liked about their housing. They really kind
- of went to the neighborhood is where the discussion went. And concerns that the connectivity did not
- always extend beyond the neighborhood, so they felt kind of enclosed, that the arterials were trapping
- them in because they weren't safe or comfortable to cross. Let's see. As far as amenities and what people
- appreciated additionally, community centers, mixed use,
- The ability to be near a school or a trail or a grocery store. Some folks expressed desire for a park
- and didn't have that nearby or didn't have any food amenities nearby. They felt they were in a food
- desert. So those were some of the areas where folks were expressing desires. Also some discussion of
- safety and perceptions of safety both along trails and in neighborhoods.
- and so desire for a greater feeling of safety in the neighborhoods. Let's see, with respect to where
- folks wish they could live if the neighborhood wasn't meeting their need or wasn't their optimal,
- affordability was definitely a barrier to moving to a more desirable place that would be closer to the
- types of amenities they wanted. There was fairly widespread agreement that a mixed-use neighborhood
- with a diversity of housing types and nearby amenities, walkability,
- was highly desirable. Many nods of agreement when folks were expressing that, a desire for accessing
- missing middle housing, especially that would be walkable or mixed use and could be an entry point for
- them or the next step on the rung for housing. In general, feeling that that doesn't really exist in
- Bloomington. We're having a hard time even naming neighborhoods that kind of met that need. Folks were
- referring to Renwick as that has some of those things, or maybe neighborhoods close to the downtown.
- As far as diversity of housing types, a lot of folks in our group did live in neighborhoods that either
- had a diversity of housing types or had diversity very nearby in terms of the housing types. So even
- if there weren't apartment buildings in their neighborhood, they were adjacent to it and they appreciated
- that. Not exactly a housing typology thing, but some concern about the July to July lease cycle with
- rental properties being a real barrier for a lot of folks. When it came to ADUs, I think
- As far as those questions, do you support it? About half our group, not support it, but would you consider
- it? About half our group would consider building one, about half our group would consider renting one.
- I asked a third question about the ownership requirement we have here in Bloomington and whether folks
- support that. It was also kind of a mixed answer. There was concerns about resale and alienability of
- property. Also concerns about impacts in a college town with a lot of rentals of not having that requirement.
- Finally, just briefly on short-term rentals, again, diversity of perspectives here. Some folks thought
- it met some specific needs in the Bloomington community, others concerned about it displacing valuable
- and limited housing for local residents. I also asked a question about regulation via inspection, whether
- that was something we should consider, and most folks felt no, that the rating system in Airbnb is doing
- that for us. So, that was our group, thank you.
- Good afternoon, everyone. Evening. Our group included renters and homeowners, and the message was clear
- amongst us. I think that Bloomington faces lots of pressures on housing and straining families, students,
- neighborhoods. Affordability was at the heart of it, of the things that we discussed. Single-family
- homes now being out of reach for many, medium home prices, far outpacing income growth, property taxes
- doubling since COVID.
- Etc One of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about our neighborhood concerns have those
- are adding to the pressures lots of investor-owned rentals
- changing to the character of blocks. We also talked a little bit that came up questions, sort of these
- overlapping questions about encampments and safety concerns, concerns around city projects, et cetera.
- So we had a broad, wide-ranging conversation around sort of our interest and needs in housing. We offered
- a wide range of solutions and ideas for the future. In terms of housing supply and diversity, people
- talked about starter homes,
- diversity of houses, condominiums, duplexes, family-friendly rentals, not just student housing, interest
- a little bit in density in particular places, though not interest in taller buildings, so some tension
- there. Policy tools, we talked about things like land trust, land banks, rental caps, limits on how
- many homes can be owned by investors, parking,
- permitting questions, particularly for houses without driveways near campus. I think there is more on
- the side of people concerned about us building houses without parking minimums, accessible loans to
- new people, and even rent control, even though that's illegal. Forum-based zoning was discussed to shape
- the look and feel of neighborhoods, loosening restrictions to allow density where it makes sense, and
- streamlining the planning process
- projects so that the projects aren't delayed for years, sort of raising costs. We talked also about
- stronger cooperation between Bloomington, IU, and Ellitsville, thinking sort of of the broader ecosystem
- of housing. We talked about short-term rentals, and some participants called for requiring permits and
- collecting better data on occupancy, while others expressed concern about property rights. In some,
- residents agreed that Bloomington needs more housing, but not just more units
- that we need affordable, diverse, well-planned options that are paired with the infrastructure
- and partnerships that will allow our community to grow.
- while protecting the character of our neighborhoods. And so I'll end just by saying this last point
- that Chad GPT suggested, which is that a home is more than four walls. It's the foundation of opportunity,
- the wellspring of community, and the promise we make to everyone, to another, that everyone belongs.
- Thank you. AI makes everything sound so good. I think we have two groups that still need to present.
- Okay, we were group number five and we had a good mix of runners and owners As far as if housing was
- meeting the need most owners did say that Their housing was meeting their needs, especially if they
- were smaller houses if there were larger houses They felt like maybe it was not meeting their needs
- or they would like the opportunity to downsize But they were stuck by golden handcuffs right now with
- low interest rates
- as far as neighborhood characteristics that they liked Being walkable having a diverse neighborhood
- of a mix of rentals and Ownership models really not skewed to one size or one side or the other a careful
- balance Making sure that there was access to parks and trails Being close to grocery stores was important
- for many in addition
- If the neighborhood met the needs generally owners wanted to stay where they were renters for the most
- part wanted to live closer to amenities they've been forced to be further out due to the price associated
- that they would pay.
- As far as the diversity of housing Some neighborhoods had the diversity and some did not the amenities
- again That they would like to see would be again being close to the grocery stores being able to walk
- or bike Trails gardens that kind of thing Do you have anything that you would like to add?
- on the neighborhood side of things just that I think I
- those the idea that Neighborhoods were the diversity of housing types and In demographics in a neighborhood
- was generally just agreed on that was a strong and that was an amenity and in of itself to have that
- that diversity in a in a neighborhood as opposed to you know, we had someone our group who do who didn't
- have that and and expressed that as a down of significant downside and
- And some of the runners did mention that because they've been forced to live further out they don't
- have the opportunity to walk to a grocery store. And we're really wanting to see potentially pharmacies
- or other businesses being close by as far as 80 years.
- If the lot was big enough we had about a good split where half would be interested In a potential adu
- on their lot if they could fit it. Otherwise some had no interest in renting or participating in an
- adu And as far as the short-term rental market everyone was pretty Uniform in saying that the current
- short-term rentals are skewing our market and are problematic I would just add on the
- Generally speaking on the adu question issue in our group There was a lot of disinterest in having anything
- to do with it either living one or having one or building one But generally everybody was very supportive
- of the idea of adu's and no one had any I remember anyone having any objections to the idea and There
- was a discussion about when it was mentioned that 80% of Airbnb's are
- The no one lives in the house their whole house Airbnb rentals that may be something akin to ad use
- having a requirement that the resident a resident live either in the ad you the owner the property owner
- you live in the ad you or the or the main structure that maybe there was some way to have ad use where
- Someone was living there. So they weren't unoccupied 90% of the time and
- And people kind of got excited about that idea. Maybe some way to do that So it would still service
- housing year-round For at least part of the unit part of the structure I would also say that as far
- as meeting needs one of the themes that I saw was that when People were happy with the housing type
- that they're in right now They also were able to purchase them for 60 or 75 thousand dollars many years
- ago and adapted
- House to be what they want it to be now currently that's not an option And I think we'd be remiss not
- to mention that in our group there was some concern expressed by both renters and homeowners about Crime
- and safety generally. I mean it did come up at a couple points in our group discussion and
- I'm really glad we didn't have to follow chat GPT. So thank you for that Anna We had a really nice mix
- of renters and homeowners we had folks who live downtown quite a few who
- Live in walking distance of the downtown and some from farther out We have most people while we kind
- of had a little mini crisis of discussion about what exactly does it mean to meet our needs? because
- all of us, you know, we can eat and we have the things we need but You know thinking thinking
- Largely, you know, maybe it meets our needs now but there we have future needs and future transitions
- and life transitions that where we're not totally happy where we're at and so we have folks who you
- know own a house because
- They kicked out of their condo or got priced out of their condo, I should say, and would prefer to live
- in condos, but there's just not many of them. A couple people who prefer a condo. We have folks that
- love their single family home and don't want to move, but it's maybe too big for them at this stage
- in life. And so they've had to adapt and change to make it work for them, but they still have visions of
- bigger changes, more units, bringing more people in. There's a lot of talk about businesses, so just
- more small pubs and local businesses to interrupt the solid neighborhood and residential housing, more
- places to gather, more third spaces. Housing policy that doesn't focus just on the core neighborhoods
- where all the attention and the transit is just
- going towards the downtown area, but is more equally spread and other neighborhoods are taken
- into consideration more with certain amenities. Folks, a good landlord can make all the difference in
- your experience and your housing. We have a renter who would prefer to rent the rest of their life, but
- Is going to be an issue and most of the renter all of the renters in the group I believe they're their
- house are there the cost of renting goes up every single year So it's just a question of how long is
- it going to be till I have to move somewhere else What else do you add let's see oh We love
- porches more porches and yes, I think the The key I think in this group and maybe this town and like
- chats GPT already summarized is diversity more options And more creativity with housing Thank you all
- I just want to give us all a big round of applause right now I
- I thank you to the facilitators for facilitating conversations and thank you to all of the participants
- who've come today to share stuff. Lastly, I want to give an opportunity for you to share more if there
- are individuals out there who thought to themselves, I really want to make sure the whole group hears
- this point that didn't quite get in the summary.
- And then attached to that there is another Google form if staff could bring that up that is like a reflection
- Google form in terms of Sharing your big takeaways from discussion this evening things that you learned
- and what do you hope can come from this session? So this would be one for everybody who is in this room
- right now I would love it if you would fill this out because that would really help
- moving forward in terms of success of how this went, whether you felt like you were able to share the
- things that you wanted to share, and then any kind of takeaways. So while you're all doing that, is
- there anybody who wants to share anything verbally right now? Come on up, Anna.
- We had some shared some shared visions that we want to make sure got on the table is putting together
- condo associations or shared living cooperative living situations that are not rentals. So building
- equity collectively. Yes. Yeah. I know Bloomington has a little bit of oh sorry. I know Bloomington
- has a little bit of co-housing infrastructure. Wow.
- I'm usually used to, I know Bloomington has a little bit of a co-housing infrastructure, but it's really
- more you're kind of renting a room with a lot of common space. And so you're not building that equity.
- I know Chicago has a little bit more of a robust infrastructure for that. It would be interesting if
- Bloomington were to try to explore that and see how that might work in a town this size.
- Anybody else? Looks like Jeff would like to come forward and individually report out. Not individually,
- just to supplement. Just briefly, my plea is for the city, the county, and the university to work together
- on some kind of plan together on housing. I think that's really incredibly
- Negligent on part of all the different parties that we haven't found a way to do that I'm not putting
- blame on anyone, but I just feel that this is something that We don't need it tomorrow But we need to
- think about where we want to be in five to ten years and I think all three entities need to get together
- and Work collaboratively in a positive forward-looking way and I hope it happens in my lifetime. Thank
- you Thank you
- Anybody else have individual things that they want to make sure to stay allowed right now? Come on So
- I came to IU with Jeff in the 70s I believe Jeff was before me I worked for the city throughout my college
- years and I worked at the courthouse for Judge Hill in delinquency prevention kinds of capacity so
- I've seen a lot of sides of development and crime and university life and growing with the city and
- through PCBs. And so what surprises me, given our education of those who have lived here longer, is
- that this crisis didn't happen overnight. And I don't understand where
- when the curves and turns took a turn, how someone didn't say, wait a minute, this is going in a wrong
- turn. And so as we work together in the future, I'd like to have more older people as part of the mix
- who have been in Bloomington and saw a lot of change over the 70s, what worked and what didn't work.
- And then I'd like
- before it just all started with what are we gonna do next, because it's always let's do, let's do. I
- really liked, my major was sociology and anthropology. I'd really like to see a cultural look at how
- Bloomington evolved, because a little piece of me doesn't understand, no, a big piece of me, doesn't
- understand how it happened, how we could come here
- 1970 I could rent Sublet an apartment at Grant and 4th Street for $45 a month When I was living on a
- dollar 25 an hour In the city, I think was paying one of the better rates But so some things going on
- because I could go to the IGA I could buy a can of beans for 15 cents and a loaf of bread
- 475 and I could live on beans and chips and Bread sandwiches, which are great So I just would like to
- know how we got here so that we can decide where Because we don't know where we made mistakes. We're
- just gonna keep doing it and doing it again So I'd really like to see how it more of an acknowledgement
- of how we got here so we don't make the same mistakes at an important juncture and
- when it comes time to decide. And I think we need to figure out when those decision points were, so
- we don't do them again. Thank you. Any other, like, come on up. We'll do maybe one more, OK? Because
- I don't want to keep you all here all night. Howdy. Am I coming through all right?
- Gotcha. Mine's gonna be a rather short comment. It's simply to express the urgency I think that there
- is to this and to like magnify that. As somebody who has, I wasn't born in Bloomington. I moved here
- closer to 16 or 17, but I've now been living here for about 14 years, I wanna say. And I've noticed
- amongst the folks that I went to high school with and the folks that I went to college, there has been a flight.
- There are a large number of folks who I went to high school with who have had to move from Bloomington
- and a large number of folks who came to college here at IU and loved the place, loved Bloomington, but
- could not make a go of it as a place to be a home. And as I look forward and consider the future for
- myself and my two little siblings are starting to age out
- get to college themselves, I don't know how much longer I will be trying to stick it out here, because
- I've been sticking here to see them through that stage of their life, and I don't think they are either.
- So I think if we want to keep folks around who are, you know, the city on a practical level is pouring
- resources into them through the high school and through, you know,
- If we want to keep folks around accessible housing Multi like that that missing middle things like that.
- I just I can't see a way forward without that as part of the solution. Thank you Thank you
- So I just want to thank everybody for being here again tonight. Please fill out the reflection survey.
- And so if you do have something that you're like, oh, I really wish that I could have said that, put
- it on there. All of that survey data will ultimately be made available to the public. It is part of
- the public record. Those surveys do ask for names, but don't require names.
- I think, but any names would be disassociated in terms of public record with comments, just because
- I think that that piece of privacy matters. And then lastly, before adjournment, as I said earlier,
- November 12th will kind of be part two of this in terms of coming back together to kind of summarize
- not just the things that were shared tonight, but also our director of planning has been having kind
- of similar meetings
- to different groups trying to get similar types of feedback. And so that feedback will end up ultimately
- consolidated to some degree with some policy proposal changes. And so November 12th will be a night
- that will have some of those summaries and potentially some of those proposal or potential change proposals.
- Thank you all again for being here If you did not by the way when you came in get your pin on the map
- and your demographic info in there I think that there's still time to do that and we'll make sure that
- we have that count facilitators if if you I need all of your notes
- Okay, so if you took those notes on your electronic device, you can email those. If you did it on paper
- and you feel so led as to put that into an electronic device, I would love that. But if you don't have
- time to do that, I guess I will. Or I will maybe have staff help with that. So thank you so much and
- we are adjourned.