WEBVTT 00:00:00.994 --> 00:00:11.450 - As as people are filtering in if if we're gonna go ahead and get this meeting started I'd like to call 00:00:11.450 --> 00:00:21.703 - this deliberation session of the Bloomington Common Council here on September 10th to order with the 00:00:21.703 --> 00:00:28.606 - clerk, please call the roll Councilmember here Rallo Hey Matt Smith 00:00:30.018 --> 00:00:40.682 - Stasberg? Here. Daly? Zulek? Here. Rosenberger? Here. Asari? Here. Great. Thank you so much. I just 00:00:40.682 --> 00:00:46.974 - realized that I don't have my agenda right in front of me. 00:00:47.106 --> 00:00:52.808 - So tonight first of all, thank everybody for coming because this is a wonderful crowd in here and I'm 00:00:52.808 --> 00:00:58.735 - super super excited so in terms of our kind of usual order of meeting stuff the first thing on the agenda 00:00:58.735 --> 00:01:04.381 - is to go over the agenda summation and So I'm gonna do a brief introduction of what it is that we're 00:01:04.381 --> 00:01:09.972 - doing here tonight and the purpose Then we're gonna get into these breakout groups that some people 00:01:09.972 --> 00:01:15.674 - are kind of already in And have some facilitated dialogue with staff and council members. We're gonna 00:01:15.674 --> 00:01:17.072 - come back as a whole for 00:01:17.072 --> 00:01:26.890 - some group reporting and debriefing, and then we'll adjourn right around 830. So in terms of my introduction, 00:01:26.890 --> 00:01:28.318 - let me find it. 00:01:29.602 --> 00:01:35.773 - All right, so tonight is part one of two deliberation sessions focused on housing needs in Bloomington. 00:01:35.773 --> 00:01:42.122 - This particular session will focus on sharing your personal experiences related to finding and maintaining 00:01:42.122 --> 00:01:48.056 - whatever housing you currently have and how your needs are or are not being met. The purpose of the 00:01:48.056 --> 00:01:54.287 - session this evening is not to debate specific types of housing or housing policies, but to get a better 00:01:54.287 --> 00:01:59.390 - understanding of what needs are and are not being met with our current housing market 00:01:59.522 --> 00:02:04.813 - based on the personal experiences of those here. And it is an opportunity for both planning staff and 00:02:04.813 --> 00:02:10.104 - council members to learn as well as each of you to build understanding with community members who may 00:02:10.104 --> 00:02:15.291 - not live near you or who may have very different housing needs than you do. Part two is planned for 00:02:15.291 --> 00:02:20.582 - November 12th and will include a summary of what was heard through this and other related discussions 00:02:20.582 --> 00:02:25.874 - that are ongoing through the planning department. There will likely be more specific policy proposals 00:02:25.874 --> 00:02:27.326 - for discussion in November. 00:02:28.066 --> 00:02:34.208 - So just a couple words about shared expectations and community agreements. First, housing can be a triggering 00:02:34.208 --> 00:02:39.904 - conversation and so please enter the space as neutrally and non-judgmentally as possible. Facilitator 00:02:39.904 --> 00:02:45.488 - questions are designed to allow participants to share experiences and all experiences are valuable. 00:02:45.488 --> 00:02:51.407 - And it is reality that two different people going through the same process will experience it differently 00:02:51.407 --> 00:02:54.590 - and both of those perspectives matter and have validity. 00:02:55.362 --> 00:03:00.298 - Second, in terms of shared vocabulary, when considering your neighborhood, it is the place where you 00:03:00.298 --> 00:03:05.186 - live, work, or play. Whether it's a multi-family structure, an urban block, a suburban subdivision, 00:03:05.186 --> 00:03:10.220 - or some other space, that is your neighborhood, and the people living near you are your neighbors, and 00:03:10.220 --> 00:03:12.126 - there are many types of neighborhoods. 00:03:12.674 --> 00:03:18.588 - Last, as an organizer, and I'm hoping that this goal was met, my goal was to attract a wide diversity 00:03:18.588 --> 00:03:24.501 - of participants in hopes that many voices and experiences are represented. So I'm really hopeful that 00:03:24.501 --> 00:03:30.821 - we have that there tonight, and I'm really thrilled that so many people came out to share their experiences. 00:03:30.821 --> 00:03:32.734 - So as we move into these groups, 00:03:32.834 --> 00:03:39.005 - First of all, if you have not already added your demographic information over there on the table, there 00:03:39.005 --> 00:03:44.939 - are some containers to put in puff balls to mark whether you rent or whether you own, and then also 00:03:44.939 --> 00:03:50.992 - how long you have been in Bloomington, and then there is a big map over there so you can put a pin in 00:03:50.992 --> 00:03:56.985 - where you live. And the purpose of that is at the end to go, how well did we diversify? Do we have a 00:03:56.985 --> 00:04:02.800 - good renter to owner? Do we have people who've lived here the full spread of time in Bloomington? 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:08.891 - Do we have people from all over Bloomington or mostly in different sectors? So then as we continue this 00:04:08.891 --> 00:04:14.982 - process in these discussions, we can make deliberate outreach and planning can make deliberate outreach 00:04:14.982 --> 00:04:20.838 - into population groups that might not be represented here or through their other efforts. So that's 00:04:20.838 --> 00:04:25.758 - the purpose of that. So if you haven't already done that, please do so. And lastly, 00:04:26.210 --> 00:04:32.111 - We're gonna have seven small groups for facilitated conversation, and I haven't counted. I think that 00:04:32.111 --> 00:04:38.127 - the groups ended up with six or seven chairs each. We might need to add some chairs, okay? There's five 00:04:38.127 --> 00:04:44.201 - groups. There's five groups in here, and there's two out in the hall. And each group will be facilitated 00:04:44.201 --> 00:04:50.333 - by a city staff member and a council member as a co-facilitation team. And so for this to be a productive 00:04:50.333 --> 00:04:56.176 - time of sharing, it's also important to try to diversify those inner groups as much as possible too. 00:04:56.176 --> 00:05:01.998 - hard to say that, right, because just by looking at somebody you don't necessarily know what their housing 00:05:01.998 --> 00:05:07.493 - needs are. But, for example, if you came with someone with whom you share housing, consider going to 00:05:07.493 --> 00:05:13.097 - different groups, okay, and also try to disperse yourself so that no group is maybe all younger or all 00:05:13.097 --> 00:05:18.810 - older, just to kind of do our best in terms of making sure that within those groups we have differences, 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:20.606 - because part of this is to share 00:05:20.706 --> 00:05:28.165 - Different experiences so that we all can get a better grasp of understanding what the different needs 00:05:28.165 --> 00:05:35.478 - are Yeah, so that is my introduction Oh, no, not quite if you're an online participant this evening 00:05:35.478 --> 00:05:42.792 - There is a Google form and so now is the moment that hopefully staff is going to share that QR code 00:05:42.792 --> 00:05:45.278 - online and also a link to that so 00:05:46.114 --> 00:05:50.884 - so that any online participants can also share their experiences related to housing. There's 00:05:50.884 --> 00:05:56.322 - not a conversation option available online, but through the forum, you'll have the opportunity to address 00:05:56.322 --> 00:06:01.451 - the prompts and questions that in-room facilitators are going to be asking. Similarly, if you're in 00:06:01.451 --> 00:06:04.734 - the room but don't feel comfortable sharing in the small group, 00:06:04.930 --> 00:06:10.920 - also feel free to use this form instead. So that even if you're in the room and you're like, I don't 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:17.028 - know if I wanna share, but I want somebody to know what it is that I'm thinking, go ahead and use that 00:06:17.028 --> 00:06:23.077 - form and that's fine. At the end of the event, there will also be like a reflections form that people 00:06:23.077 --> 00:06:29.067 - can fill out too in terms of this event. So there'll be another QR code. And I think that that is my 00:06:29.067 --> 00:06:30.846 - whole introduction. Okay, so. 00:06:31.426 --> 00:06:39.673 - Council members, did you all get my email with what group you are? Great, so I think that this is going 00:06:39.673 --> 00:06:47.841 - one, two, three, is that four over there? That's five over there, four is here, and then six and seven 00:06:47.841 --> 00:06:55.850 - are out in the hall. So yeah, go to your small groups and write about 755. I'll try to gavel us back 00:06:55.850 --> 00:07:00.766 - into one big group again. Okay, yes, Council Member Flaherty. 00:07:01.282 --> 00:07:07.352 - Related to capacity. I guess it looks like we may have more people than chairs allowed within the groups 00:07:07.352 --> 00:07:13.596 - You mentioned getting more chairs just logistically want to make sure that we create a space for everybody. 00:07:13.596 --> 00:07:19.493 - So how do we? Ensure that we just Bring a chair with you and just expand the circles So that's it and 00:07:19.493 --> 00:07:25.390 - I'm not sure that anybody is sitting outside right now in the chairs that are okay. Perfect So that's 00:07:25.390 --> 00:07:29.726 - it. Just try to you know, distribute that as as best as possible Thank you 00:07:30.882 --> 00:07:38.663 - One two three four five six seven are in the hall Gosh Yeah, all right. Oh, this is close. Wonderful. 00:07:38.663 --> 00:07:46.521 - Thank you All right We are on to the debriefing part of this now and so in the debriefing part of this 00:07:46.521 --> 00:07:54.455 - we need our different groups to report out All right. Yeah. Well, maybe you should have read your email 00:07:54.455 --> 00:07:56.286 - councilmember. Sorry. I 00:07:56.930 --> 00:08:06.382 - I know, right? So many emails. So facilitators. There were two facilitators in each group, so hopefully 00:08:06.382 --> 00:08:16.289 - one of you can volunteer right now to report out just for a couple minutes about similarities or differences 00:08:16.289 --> 00:08:26.014 - that you heard in your groups and areas of common ground or areas of difference. So who wants to go first? 00:08:28.770 --> 00:08:36.128 - Go for it. I'm not going to make Group 1 go first. That's so cruel. Group 3 is going to go first. Jamie, 00:08:36.128 --> 00:08:43.276 - thank you so much. All right. I'm with Group 3. My name is Jamie, and I co-facilitated with Hopi. And 00:08:43.276 --> 00:08:50.565 - I'll do my best to summarize as concisely as possible. So in terms of how housing is meeting everyone's 00:08:50.565 --> 00:08:53.438 - need, most people in our group felt that 00:08:53.634 --> 00:09:00.098 - Housing was meeting their needs for some of the renters We felt maybe like the rent is a little bit 00:09:00.098 --> 00:09:06.821 - high but also fair relative to other rents that we see around the city It was definitely expressed that 00:09:06.821 --> 00:09:13.350 - there are different preferences especially for different phases in life, so Some people express that 00:09:13.350 --> 00:09:20.073 - the house they're in right now is currently meeting their needs but depending on how their life changes 00:09:20.073 --> 00:09:22.142 - in the future that could change 00:09:22.242 --> 00:09:28.165 - We talked about yards a little bit. So some people had different preferences Liking a big yard that 00:09:28.165 --> 00:09:34.147 - they could maintain themselves. Some people didn't like to have a yard that they'd have to maintain. 00:09:34.147 --> 00:09:40.189 - So that was an interesting Difference or just people like to have the option and then we talked about 00:09:40.189 --> 00:09:46.231 - the short-term rentals and ad use so as far as short-term rentals we did have a perspective of having 00:09:46.231 --> 00:09:48.126 - some investors in our group and 00:09:48.226 --> 00:09:54.467 - And we didn't really hear any negative experiences from people If they maybe only had like one short-term 00:09:54.467 --> 00:10:00.354 - renter rental property in their neighborhood So there weren't really negative experiences expressed 00:10:00.354 --> 00:10:06.300 - with that and then as far as ad use there wasn't a ton of firsthand experience with ad use It seemed 00:10:06.300 --> 00:10:12.894 - like maybe they were too expensive, but it was an interesting option that people wanted to learn more about and 00:10:17.218 --> 00:10:30.814 - Thank you, who's next? Councilmember Rosenberger? Councilmember Zulek? She had to know who I was. Hello 00:10:30.814 --> 00:10:35.390 - everyone, thank you for having us. 00:10:36.610 --> 00:10:42.887 - I was in group six, best group ever. We had realtors, we had builders, we had homeowners, we had renters, 00:10:42.887 --> 00:10:47.742 - we had Monroe County residents, Bloomington residents, so we got some good stuff. 00:10:48.130 --> 00:10:54.447 - Everyone had some pretty similar ideals for what they were looking for when they approached housing 00:10:54.447 --> 00:11:00.765 - So there were some people whose needs were met because they were getting them and some people whose 00:11:00.765 --> 00:11:07.335 - needs were not met because they weren't and that is all about housing affordability walkability ability 00:11:07.335 --> 00:11:10.430 - to live near loved ones ability to own a home or 00:11:10.626 --> 00:11:16.590 - A lot of what we encountered was there was a lot of people who enjoy the Bryant Park neighborhood and 00:11:16.590 --> 00:11:22.612 - the different neighborhoods near campus where they can walk to work. And unfortunately, the affordable 00:11:22.612 --> 00:11:28.517 - housing is not necessarily near there, especially if you're looking to buy. And so that was a lot of 00:11:28.517 --> 00:11:34.656 - what we talked about in terms of what we look for in housing. And then we ran up against a couple issues 00:11:34.656 --> 00:11:35.358 - in terms of 00:11:35.458 --> 00:11:43.528 - ad use and just ability to build ad use and then sell them once they're built due to lot sizes, which 00:11:43.528 --> 00:11:51.598 - is a very complicated issue that I am probably not the best person to explain to you, but we will get 00:11:51.598 --> 00:11:53.022 - there someday and 00:11:53.314 --> 00:12:00.041 - Essentially we talked a lot about how we are missing the middle ground housing and that there are a 00:12:00.041 --> 00:12:07.038 - lot of different people who are looking for around the $300,000 range maybe older folks who are looking 00:12:07.038 --> 00:12:13.765 - to size down or Younger folks who are looking to buy their first home a lot of them are looking for 00:12:13.765 --> 00:12:20.560 - the exact same kind of type of housing and that is what Limits it as well. So a lot of it is density 00:12:20.560 --> 00:12:21.502 - and Thank you 00:12:21.666 --> 00:12:31.649 - That's my presentation. I'm so glad to see so many of you here Thank You council members who look who's 00:12:31.649 --> 00:12:41.631 - next Come on up Hi, I'm David Brant as I'm a zoning planner here at the city so we had we had a variety 00:12:41.631 --> 00:12:50.654 - of different takes on Housing issues in our group. We did have majority homeowners as well as 00:12:50.978 --> 00:13:00.360 - a couple of renters, but it was majority home owners. And then some of them expressed that they felt 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:09.650 - a little bit trapped. Maybe they wanted to get away from crime in their neighborhood or they wanted 00:13:09.650 --> 00:13:15.038 - to be in a larger house or have more access to sidewalks. 00:13:15.202 --> 00:13:22.621 - Transit more restaurants or amenities like close by so some of that public infrastructure Is what they 00:13:22.621 --> 00:13:29.824 - were looking for? and then we also noted that just amongst everyone in the group there was a strong 00:13:29.824 --> 00:13:37.459 - desire to live within the city So they did they did like their They did like being in the city and wanted 00:13:37.459 --> 00:13:44.158 - to stay there but when we were talking about moving around to different parts of the city of 00:13:45.122 --> 00:13:51.848 - price was an issue of finding the right housing type that they wanted at that particular time. So we 00:13:51.848 --> 00:13:58.774 - discussed kind of a lack of options or lack of stepping stones to the goal of home ownership, if that's 00:13:58.774 --> 00:14:05.700 - your goal, or to own a different type of home. Maybe that's a single family home in a neighborhood that 00:14:05.700 --> 00:14:11.294 - has more influence and is able to get those amenities that they want and, you know, 00:14:11.426 --> 00:14:20.764 - the maintenance of their infrastructure that they would desire at their neighborhood's standards. And 00:14:20.764 --> 00:14:29.919 - then we talked a little bit about ADUs. People seem pretty open to the ideas of ADUs, both from the 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:35.870 - landlord's side and from the renter's side. And then, let's see. 00:14:40.930 --> 00:14:48.670 - Think I think that about sums it up I apologize if I missed something from our group that wasn't included 00:14:48.670 --> 00:14:56.411 - in the summary But it's in the notes. So thank you so much Thank you, who's next come on up councilmember 00:14:56.411 --> 00:14:57.214 - Flaherty I 00:15:06.466 --> 00:15:12.326 - All right, thank you. Thank you everyone so much for being here this evening. We were group seven out 00:15:12.326 --> 00:15:18.243 - in the hallway, and thank you to Gabriel for facilitating that group. We had 16 folks, 14 of whom were 00:15:18.243 --> 00:15:24.046 - homeowners, two renters, also had one apartment and one condo represented among those, but otherwise 00:15:24.046 --> 00:15:29.963 - all single-family homes. The majority of folks said housing was meeting their needs, a few said it was 00:15:29.963 --> 00:15:34.846 - not. There were themes of both, I have too much house and I don't have enough house, 00:15:35.234 --> 00:15:41.452 - right-sizing issues, folks feeling they were under-housed relative to their family's needs. Generally, 00:15:41.452 --> 00:15:47.549 - appreciation and love for the neighborhoods and the surrounding amenities. I had some shout-outs and 00:15:47.549 --> 00:15:53.646 - praise for traffic calming that made neighborhoods more bikeable and walkable. Also, improvements in 00:15:53.646 --> 00:15:59.924 - recent years like along 17th Street, the multi-use path that has really improved neighborhood cohesion, 00:15:59.924 --> 00:16:03.486 - walkability to transit, et cetera. But some concerns about 00:16:03.778 --> 00:16:09.554 - And this is kind of where people's minds went on what they liked about their housing. They really kind 00:16:09.554 --> 00:16:15.218 - of went to the neighborhood is where the discussion went. And concerns that the connectivity did not 00:16:15.218 --> 00:16:20.994 - always extend beyond the neighborhood, so they felt kind of enclosed, that the arterials were trapping 00:16:20.994 --> 00:16:26.938 - them in because they weren't safe or comfortable to cross. Let's see. As far as amenities and what people 00:16:26.938 --> 00:16:30.078 - appreciated additionally, community centers, mixed use, 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:37.622 - The ability to be near a school or a trail or a grocery store. Some folks expressed desire for a park 00:16:37.622 --> 00:16:44.889 - and didn't have that nearby or didn't have any food amenities nearby. They felt they were in a food 00:16:44.889 --> 00:16:52.229 - desert. So those were some of the areas where folks were expressing desires. Also some discussion of 00:16:52.229 --> 00:16:57.534 - safety and perceptions of safety both along trails and in neighborhoods. 00:16:57.890 --> 00:17:03.941 - and so desire for a greater feeling of safety in the neighborhoods. Let's see, with respect to where 00:17:03.941 --> 00:17:09.813 - folks wish they could live if the neighborhood wasn't meeting their need or wasn't their optimal, 00:17:09.813 --> 00:17:15.984 - affordability was definitely a barrier to moving to a more desirable place that would be closer to the 00:17:15.984 --> 00:17:21.976 - types of amenities they wanted. There was fairly widespread agreement that a mixed-use neighborhood 00:17:21.976 --> 00:17:26.110 - with a diversity of housing types and nearby amenities, walkability, 00:17:26.274 --> 00:17:31.950 - was highly desirable. Many nods of agreement when folks were expressing that, a desire for accessing 00:17:31.950 --> 00:17:37.738 - missing middle housing, especially that would be walkable or mixed use and could be an entry point for 00:17:37.738 --> 00:17:43.414 - them or the next step on the rung for housing. In general, feeling that that doesn't really exist in 00:17:43.414 --> 00:17:49.202 - Bloomington. We're having a hard time even naming neighborhoods that kind of met that need. Folks were 00:17:49.202 --> 00:17:54.878 - referring to Renwick as that has some of those things, or maybe neighborhoods close to the downtown. 00:17:55.618 --> 00:18:01.024 - As far as diversity of housing types, a lot of folks in our group did live in neighborhoods that either 00:18:01.024 --> 00:18:06.275 - had a diversity of housing types or had diversity very nearby in terms of the housing types. So even 00:18:06.275 --> 00:18:11.785 - if there weren't apartment buildings in their neighborhood, they were adjacent to it and they appreciated 00:18:11.785 --> 00:18:17.035 - that. Not exactly a housing typology thing, but some concern about the July to July lease cycle with 00:18:17.035 --> 00:18:21.662 - rental properties being a real barrier for a lot of folks. When it came to ADUs, I think 00:18:21.890 --> 00:18:27.368 - As far as those questions, do you support it? About half our group, not support it, but would you consider 00:18:27.368 --> 00:18:32.640 - it? About half our group would consider building one, about half our group would consider renting one. 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:37.913 - I asked a third question about the ownership requirement we have here in Bloomington and whether folks 00:18:37.913 --> 00:18:43.135 - support that. It was also kind of a mixed answer. There was concerns about resale and alienability of 00:18:43.135 --> 00:18:48.766 - property. Also concerns about impacts in a college town with a lot of rentals of not having that requirement. 00:18:49.506 --> 00:18:54.913 - Finally, just briefly on short-term rentals, again, diversity of perspectives here. Some folks thought 00:18:54.913 --> 00:19:00.321 - it met some specific needs in the Bloomington community, others concerned about it displacing valuable 00:19:00.321 --> 00:19:05.886 - and limited housing for local residents. I also asked a question about regulation via inspection, whether 00:19:05.886 --> 00:19:11.398 - that was something we should consider, and most folks felt no, that the rating system in Airbnb is doing 00:19:11.398 --> 00:19:13.918 - that for us. So, that was our group, thank you. 00:19:24.866 --> 00:19:31.881 - Good afternoon, everyone. Evening. Our group included renters and homeowners, and the message was clear 00:19:31.881 --> 00:19:39.030 - amongst us. I think that Bloomington faces lots of pressures on housing and straining families, students, 00:19:39.030 --> 00:19:45.775 - neighborhoods. Affordability was at the heart of it, of the things that we discussed. Single-family 00:19:45.775 --> 00:19:52.722 - homes now being out of reach for many, medium home prices, far outpacing income growth, property taxes 00:19:52.722 --> 00:19:54.206 - doubling since COVID. 00:19:54.370 --> 00:20:00.912 - Etc One of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about our neighborhood concerns have those 00:20:00.912 --> 00:20:04.734 - are adding to the pressures lots of investor-owned rentals 00:20:04.834 --> 00:20:11.833 - changing to the character of blocks. We also talked a little bit that came up questions, sort of these 00:20:11.833 --> 00:20:18.832 - overlapping questions about encampments and safety concerns, concerns around city projects, et cetera. 00:20:18.832 --> 00:20:26.034 - So we had a broad, wide-ranging conversation around sort of our interest and needs in housing. We offered 00:20:26.034 --> 00:20:32.897 - a wide range of solutions and ideas for the future. In terms of housing supply and diversity, people 00:20:32.897 --> 00:20:34.800 - talked about starter homes, 00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:43.228 - diversity of houses, condominiums, duplexes, family-friendly rentals, not just student housing, interest 00:20:43.228 --> 00:20:51.495 - a little bit in density in particular places, though not interest in taller buildings, so some tension 00:20:51.495 --> 00:20:59.522 - there. Policy tools, we talked about things like land trust, land banks, rental caps, limits on how 00:20:59.522 --> 00:21:03.294 - many homes can be owned by investors, parking, 00:21:03.938 --> 00:21:10.838 - permitting questions, particularly for houses without driveways near campus. I think there is more on 00:21:10.838 --> 00:21:17.602 - the side of people concerned about us building houses without parking minimums, accessible loans to 00:21:17.602 --> 00:21:24.705 - new people, and even rent control, even though that's illegal. Forum-based zoning was discussed to shape 00:21:24.705 --> 00:21:31.604 - the look and feel of neighborhoods, loosening restrictions to allow density where it makes sense, and 00:21:31.604 --> 00:21:33.904 - streamlining the planning process 00:21:33.904 --> 00:21:40.067 - projects so that the projects aren't delayed for years, sort of raising costs. We talked also about 00:21:40.067 --> 00:21:46.538 - stronger cooperation between Bloomington, IU, and Ellitsville, thinking sort of of the broader ecosystem 00:21:46.538 --> 00:21:52.886 - of housing. We talked about short-term rentals, and some participants called for requiring permits and 00:21:52.886 --> 00:21:59.049 - collecting better data on occupancy, while others expressed concern about property rights. In some, 00:21:59.049 --> 00:22:03.856 - residents agreed that Bloomington needs more housing, but not just more units 00:22:03.856 --> 00:22:09.401 - that we need affordable, diverse, well-planned options that are paired with the infrastructure 00:22:09.401 --> 00:22:12.670 - and partnerships that will allow our community to grow. 00:22:13.442 --> 00:22:20.725 - while protecting the character of our neighborhoods. And so I'll end just by saying this last point 00:22:20.725 --> 00:22:28.518 - that Chad GPT suggested, which is that a home is more than four walls. It's the foundation of opportunity, 00:22:28.518 --> 00:22:35.874 - the wellspring of community, and the promise we make to everyone, to another, that everyone belongs. 00:22:35.874 --> 00:22:43.230 - Thank you. AI makes everything sound so good. I think we have two groups that still need to present. 00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:06.558 - Okay, we were group number five and we had a good mix of runners and owners As far as if housing was 00:23:06.558 --> 00:23:13.556 - meeting the need most owners did say that Their housing was meeting their needs, especially if they 00:23:13.556 --> 00:23:20.554 - were smaller houses if there were larger houses They felt like maybe it was not meeting their needs 00:23:20.554 --> 00:23:27.692 - or they would like the opportunity to downsize But they were stuck by golden handcuffs right now with 00:23:27.692 --> 00:23:29.022 - low interest rates 00:23:29.186 --> 00:23:38.045 - as far as neighborhood characteristics that they liked Being walkable having a diverse neighborhood 00:23:38.045 --> 00:23:47.435 - of a mix of rentals and Ownership models really not skewed to one size or one side or the other a careful 00:23:47.435 --> 00:23:56.826 - balance Making sure that there was access to parks and trails Being close to grocery stores was important 00:23:56.826 --> 00:23:58.686 - for many in addition 00:23:58.818 --> 00:24:06.526 - If the neighborhood met the needs generally owners wanted to stay where they were renters for the most 00:24:06.526 --> 00:24:14.458 - part wanted to live closer to amenities they've been forced to be further out due to the price associated 00:24:14.458 --> 00:24:16.030 - that they would pay. 00:24:16.162 --> 00:24:24.518 - As far as the diversity of housing Some neighborhoods had the diversity and some did not the amenities 00:24:24.518 --> 00:24:32.793 - again That they would like to see would be again being close to the grocery stores being able to walk 00:24:32.793 --> 00:24:40.176 - or bike Trails gardens that kind of thing Do you have anything that you would like to add? 00:24:40.176 --> 00:24:44.638 - on the neighborhood side of things just that I think I 00:24:45.698 --> 00:24:53.955 - those the idea that Neighborhoods were the diversity of housing types and In demographics in a neighborhood 00:24:53.955 --> 00:25:01.678 - was generally just agreed on that was a strong and that was an amenity and in of itself to have that 00:25:01.678 --> 00:25:09.706 - that diversity in a in a neighborhood as opposed to you know, we had someone our group who do who didn't 00:25:09.706 --> 00:25:15.134 - have that and and expressed that as a down of significant downside and 00:25:16.546 --> 00:25:23.365 - And some of the runners did mention that because they've been forced to live further out they don't 00:25:23.365 --> 00:25:30.456 - have the opportunity to walk to a grocery store. And we're really wanting to see potentially pharmacies 00:25:30.456 --> 00:25:34.206 - or other businesses being close by as far as 80 years. 00:25:34.722 --> 00:25:42.128 - If the lot was big enough we had about a good split where half would be interested In a potential adu 00:25:42.128 --> 00:25:49.388 - on their lot if they could fit it. Otherwise some had no interest in renting or participating in an 00:25:49.388 --> 00:25:56.794 - adu And as far as the short-term rental market everyone was pretty Uniform in saying that the current 00:25:56.794 --> 00:26:03.038 - short-term rentals are skewing our market and are problematic I would just add on the 00:26:03.330 --> 00:26:11.208 - Generally speaking on the adu question issue in our group There was a lot of disinterest in having anything 00:26:11.208 --> 00:26:18.940 - to do with it either living one or having one or building one But generally everybody was very supportive 00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:26.380 - of the idea of adu's and no one had any I remember anyone having any objections to the idea and There 00:26:26.380 --> 00:26:31.486 - was a discussion about when it was mentioned that 80% of Airbnb's are 00:26:33.090 --> 00:26:40.724 - The no one lives in the house their whole house Airbnb rentals that may be something akin to ad use 00:26:40.724 --> 00:26:48.739 - having a requirement that the resident a resident live either in the ad you the owner the property owner 00:26:48.739 --> 00:26:56.601 - you live in the ad you or the or the main structure that maybe there was some way to have ad use where 00:26:56.601 --> 00:27:02.174 - Someone was living there. So they weren't unoccupied 90% of the time and 00:27:02.818 --> 00:27:09.598 - And people kind of got excited about that idea. Maybe some way to do that So it would still service 00:27:09.598 --> 00:27:16.378 - housing year-round For at least part of the unit part of the structure I would also say that as far 00:27:16.378 --> 00:27:23.158 - as meeting needs one of the themes that I saw was that when People were happy with the housing type 00:27:23.158 --> 00:27:30.209 - that they're in right now They also were able to purchase them for 60 or 75 thousand dollars many years 00:27:30.209 --> 00:27:31.294 - ago and adapted 00:27:31.458 --> 00:27:39.332 - House to be what they want it to be now currently that's not an option And I think we'd be remiss not 00:27:39.332 --> 00:27:47.437 - to mention that in our group there was some concern expressed by both renters and homeowners about Crime 00:27:47.437 --> 00:27:54.462 - and safety generally. I mean it did come up at a couple points in our group discussion and 00:28:01.666 --> 00:28:15.503 - I'm really glad we didn't have to follow chat GPT. So thank you for that Anna We had a really nice mix 00:28:15.503 --> 00:28:25.310 - of renters and homeowners we had folks who live downtown quite a few who 00:28:25.506 --> 00:28:33.093 - Live in walking distance of the downtown and some from farther out We have most people while we kind 00:28:33.093 --> 00:28:40.681 - of had a little mini crisis of discussion about what exactly does it mean to meet our needs? because 00:28:40.681 --> 00:28:47.742 - all of us, you know, we can eat and we have the things we need but You know thinking thinking 00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:54.813 - Largely, you know, maybe it meets our needs now but there we have future needs and future transitions 00:28:54.813 --> 00:29:01.521 - and life transitions that where we're not totally happy where we're at and so we have folks who you 00:29:01.521 --> 00:29:03.198 - know own a house because 00:29:03.362 --> 00:29:10.350 - They kicked out of their condo or got priced out of their condo, I should say, and would prefer to live 00:29:10.350 --> 00:29:17.136 - in condos, but there's just not many of them. A couple people who prefer a condo. We have folks that 00:29:17.136 --> 00:29:23.855 - love their single family home and don't want to move, but it's maybe too big for them at this stage 00:29:23.855 --> 00:29:30.910 - in life. And so they've had to adapt and change to make it work for them, but they still have visions of 00:29:31.170 --> 00:29:39.660 - bigger changes, more units, bringing more people in. There's a lot of talk about businesses, so just 00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:48.318 - more small pubs and local businesses to interrupt the solid neighborhood and residential housing, more 00:29:48.318 --> 00:29:56.891 - places to gather, more third spaces. Housing policy that doesn't focus just on the core neighborhoods 00:29:56.891 --> 00:30:00.926 - where all the attention and the transit is just 00:30:01.410 --> 00:30:09.019 - going towards the downtown area, but is more equally spread and other neighborhoods are taken 00:30:09.019 --> 00:30:17.276 - into consideration more with certain amenities. Folks, a good landlord can make all the difference in 00:30:17.276 --> 00:30:25.694 - your experience and your housing. We have a renter who would prefer to rent the rest of their life, but 00:30:25.922 --> 00:30:35.408 - Is going to be an issue and most of the renter all of the renters in the group I believe they're their 00:30:35.408 --> 00:30:44.709 - house are there the cost of renting goes up every single year So it's just a question of how long is 00:30:44.709 --> 00:30:53.182 - it going to be till I have to move somewhere else What else do you add let's see oh We love 00:30:53.282 --> 00:31:04.447 - porches more porches and yes, I think the The key I think in this group and maybe this town and like 00:31:04.447 --> 00:31:15.722 - chats GPT already summarized is diversity more options And more creativity with housing Thank you all 00:31:15.722 --> 00:31:22.686 - I just want to give us all a big round of applause right now I 00:31:29.026 --> 00:31:34.937 - I thank you to the facilitators for facilitating conversations and thank you to all of the participants 00:31:34.937 --> 00:31:40.791 - who've come today to share stuff. Lastly, I want to give an opportunity for you to share more if there 00:31:40.791 --> 00:31:46.589 - are individuals out there who thought to themselves, I really want to make sure the whole group hears 00:31:46.589 --> 00:31:49.374 - this point that didn't quite get in the summary. 00:31:49.666 --> 00:31:56.004 - And then attached to that there is another Google form if staff could bring that up that is like a reflection 00:31:56.004 --> 00:32:01.997 - Google form in terms of Sharing your big takeaways from discussion this evening things that you learned 00:32:01.997 --> 00:32:07.990 - and what do you hope can come from this session? So this would be one for everybody who is in this room 00:32:07.990 --> 00:32:12.830 - right now I would love it if you would fill this out because that would really help 00:32:15.042 --> 00:32:21.372 - moving forward in terms of success of how this went, whether you felt like you were able to share the 00:32:21.372 --> 00:32:27.577 - things that you wanted to share, and then any kind of takeaways. So while you're all doing that, is 00:32:27.577 --> 00:32:32.542 - there anybody who wants to share anything verbally right now? Come on up, Anna. 00:32:48.354 --> 00:32:56.725 - We had some shared some shared visions that we want to make sure got on the table is putting together 00:32:56.725 --> 00:33:04.932 - condo associations or shared living cooperative living situations that are not rentals. So building 00:33:04.932 --> 00:33:13.138 - equity collectively. Yes. Yeah. I know Bloomington has a little bit of oh sorry. I know Bloomington 00:33:13.138 --> 00:33:17.406 - has a little bit of co-housing infrastructure. Wow. 00:33:17.762 --> 00:33:25.308 - I'm usually used to, I know Bloomington has a little bit of a co-housing infrastructure, but it's really 00:33:25.308 --> 00:33:32.711 - more you're kind of renting a room with a lot of common space. And so you're not building that equity. 00:33:32.711 --> 00:33:39.970 - I know Chicago has a little bit more of a robust infrastructure for that. It would be interesting if 00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:46.366 - Bloomington were to try to explore that and see how that might work in a town this size. 00:33:52.674 --> 00:34:01.761 - Anybody else? Looks like Jeff would like to come forward and individually report out. Not individually, 00:34:01.761 --> 00:34:11.109 - just to supplement. Just briefly, my plea is for the city, the county, and the university to work together 00:34:11.109 --> 00:34:17.662 - on some kind of plan together on housing. I think that's really incredibly 00:34:19.202 --> 00:34:26.181 - Negligent on part of all the different parties that we haven't found a way to do that I'm not putting 00:34:26.181 --> 00:34:33.160 - blame on anyone, but I just feel that this is something that We don't need it tomorrow But we need to 00:34:33.160 --> 00:34:40.345 - think about where we want to be in five to ten years and I think all three entities need to get together 00:34:40.345 --> 00:34:47.392 - and Work collaboratively in a positive forward-looking way and I hope it happens in my lifetime. Thank 00:34:47.392 --> 00:34:48.350 - you Thank you 00:34:49.154 --> 00:34:58.849 - Anybody else have individual things that they want to make sure to stay allowed right now? Come on So 00:34:58.849 --> 00:35:09.020 - I came to IU with Jeff in the 70s I believe Jeff was before me I worked for the city throughout my college 00:35:09.020 --> 00:35:18.430 - years and I worked at the courthouse for Judge Hill in delinquency prevention kinds of capacity so 00:35:18.626 --> 00:35:29.146 - I've seen a lot of sides of development and crime and university life and growing with the city and 00:35:29.146 --> 00:35:39.665 - through PCBs. And so what surprises me, given our education of those who have lived here longer, is 00:35:39.665 --> 00:35:47.134 - that this crisis didn't happen overnight. And I don't understand where 00:35:47.554 --> 00:35:55.691 - when the curves and turns took a turn, how someone didn't say, wait a minute, this is going in a wrong 00:35:55.691 --> 00:36:03.749 - turn. And so as we work together in the future, I'd like to have more older people as part of the mix 00:36:03.749 --> 00:36:11.728 - who have been in Bloomington and saw a lot of change over the 70s, what worked and what didn't work. 00:36:11.728 --> 00:36:13.150 - And then I'd like 00:36:13.410 --> 00:36:21.772 - before it just all started with what are we gonna do next, because it's always let's do, let's do. I 00:36:21.772 --> 00:36:30.134 - really liked, my major was sociology and anthropology. I'd really like to see a cultural look at how 00:36:30.134 --> 00:36:38.496 - Bloomington evolved, because a little piece of me doesn't understand, no, a big piece of me, doesn't 00:36:38.496 --> 00:36:42.718 - understand how it happened, how we could come here 00:36:42.882 --> 00:36:52.180 - 1970 I could rent Sublet an apartment at Grant and 4th Street for $45 a month When I was living on a 00:36:52.180 --> 00:37:01.569 - dollar 25 an hour In the city, I think was paying one of the better rates But so some things going on 00:37:01.569 --> 00:37:09.854 - because I could go to the IGA I could buy a can of beans for 15 cents and a loaf of bread 00:37:10.082 --> 00:37:17.831 - 475 and I could live on beans and chips and Bread sandwiches, which are great So I just would like to 00:37:17.831 --> 00:37:25.504 - know how we got here so that we can decide where Because we don't know where we made mistakes. We're 00:37:25.504 --> 00:37:33.405 - just gonna keep doing it and doing it again So I'd really like to see how it more of an acknowledgement 00:37:33.405 --> 00:37:39.710 - of how we got here so we don't make the same mistakes at an important juncture and 00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:50.664 - when it comes time to decide. And I think we need to figure out when those decision points were, so 00:37:50.664 --> 00:38:01.303 - we don't do them again. Thank you. Any other, like, come on up. We'll do maybe one more, OK? Because 00:38:01.303 --> 00:38:10.046 - I don't want to keep you all here all night. Howdy. Am I coming through all right? 00:38:11.202 --> 00:38:18.419 - Gotcha. Mine's gonna be a rather short comment. It's simply to express the urgency I think that there 00:38:18.419 --> 00:38:25.566 - is to this and to like magnify that. As somebody who has, I wasn't born in Bloomington. I moved here 00:38:25.566 --> 00:38:32.642 - closer to 16 or 17, but I've now been living here for about 14 years, I wanna say. And I've noticed 00:38:32.642 --> 00:38:40.638 - amongst the folks that I went to high school with and the folks that I went to college, there has been a flight. 00:38:41.122 --> 00:38:49.140 - There are a large number of folks who I went to high school with who have had to move from Bloomington 00:38:49.140 --> 00:38:57.157 - and a large number of folks who came to college here at IU and loved the place, loved Bloomington, but 00:38:57.157 --> 00:39:05.019 - could not make a go of it as a place to be a home. And as I look forward and consider the future for 00:39:05.019 --> 00:39:09.534 - myself and my two little siblings are starting to age out 00:39:09.634 --> 00:39:17.803 - get to college themselves, I don't know how much longer I will be trying to stick it out here, because 00:39:17.803 --> 00:39:26.131 - I've been sticking here to see them through that stage of their life, and I don't think they are either. 00:39:26.131 --> 00:39:34.300 - So I think if we want to keep folks around who are, you know, the city on a practical level is pouring 00:39:34.300 --> 00:39:39.614 - resources into them through the high school and through, you know, 00:39:40.066 --> 00:39:50.864 - If we want to keep folks around accessible housing Multi like that that missing middle things like that. 00:39:50.864 --> 00:40:00.222 - I just I can't see a way forward without that as part of the solution. Thank you Thank you 00:40:00.514 --> 00:40:05.865 - So I just want to thank everybody for being here again tonight. Please fill out the reflection survey. 00:40:05.865 --> 00:40:11.111 - And so if you do have something that you're like, oh, I really wish that I could have said that, put 00:40:11.111 --> 00:40:16.306 - it on there. All of that survey data will ultimately be made available to the public. It is part of 00:40:16.306 --> 00:40:20.254 - the public record. Those surveys do ask for names, but don't require names. 00:40:20.354 --> 00:40:27.455 - I think, but any names would be disassociated in terms of public record with comments, just because 00:40:27.455 --> 00:40:34.556 - I think that that piece of privacy matters. And then lastly, before adjournment, as I said earlier, 00:40:34.556 --> 00:40:41.728 - November 12th will kind of be part two of this in terms of coming back together to kind of summarize 00:40:41.728 --> 00:40:48.900 - not just the things that were shared tonight, but also our director of planning has been having kind 00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:50.320 - of similar meetings 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:58.735 - to different groups trying to get similar types of feedback. And so that feedback will end up ultimately 00:40:58.735 --> 00:41:06.750 - consolidated to some degree with some policy proposal changes. And so November 12th will be a night 00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:15.486 - that will have some of those summaries and potentially some of those proposal or potential change proposals. 00:41:15.650 --> 00:41:22.561 - Thank you all again for being here If you did not by the way when you came in get your pin on the map 00:41:22.561 --> 00:41:29.539 - and your demographic info in there I think that there's still time to do that and we'll make sure that 00:41:29.539 --> 00:41:34.078 - we have that count facilitators if if you I need all of your notes 00:41:34.306 --> 00:41:41.808 - Okay, so if you took those notes on your electronic device, you can email those. If you did it on paper 00:41:41.808 --> 00:41:49.238 - and you feel so led as to put that into an electronic device, I would love that. But if you don't have 00:41:49.238 --> 00:41:56.524 - time to do that, I guess I will. Or I will maybe have staff help with that. So thank you so much and 00:41:56.524 --> 00:41:57.822 - we are adjourned.