WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.960 - Let us call this meeting to order. 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:04.060 - I'm the Special Fiscal Committee 00:00:04.060 --> 00:00:07.620 - of Wilmington Common Council for Wednesday, 00:00:07.620 --> 00:00:10.480 - April 30th, 2025. 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.040 - Committee members, if you could just say your name. 00:00:14.040 --> 00:00:15.720 - We'll go around the table. 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:16.600 - Dave. 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:18.120 - Roll. 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.120 - I'm Isabelle Piedmont-Smith. 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:21.120 - Hope Estasberg. 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:22.600 - Esac Vasari. 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:27.040 - All right. Thank you. Then we have staff here. 00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:30.280 - Lisa. Lisa Layner, council attorney. 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:31.440 - Jessica. 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:33.280 - Jessica McClellan, city controller. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.240 - Thank you. 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:35.040 - Sophia. 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:36.280 - Sophia McDowell. 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:37.160 - Sure. 00:00:37.160 --> 00:00:40.520 - [inaudible] 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:44.760 - Of course. Nicole Wolney. 00:00:44.760 --> 00:00:47.120 - Thank you. Two from the clerk's office. 00:00:47.120 --> 00:00:50.600 - We are well-served by our city clerk. 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:57.000 - Are there any issues with the agenda? 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.200 - Does this look good to committee members? 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:05.960 - Okay. So let's go to a report from council member Asari 00:01:05.960 --> 00:01:10.040 - about what the budget task force has been working on. 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.520 - Oh, it's back on there. 00:01:12.520 --> 00:01:20.240 - So we didn't meet this last week because everybody was away. 00:01:20.240 --> 00:01:22.160 - So the main thing that we're still working on, 00:01:22.160 --> 00:01:26.040 - I think maybe I'll just pick up where I had left off last time, 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.360 - that the main thing we're working on and very close 00:01:28.360 --> 00:01:32.720 - to finishing on is guidance to departments 00:01:32.720 --> 00:01:35.320 - around the general process with some recommendations 00:01:35.320 --> 00:01:42.560 - for how we suggest that the budget packet be shaped. 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.160 - And hopefully we'll have that by the end of this week 00:01:47.160 --> 00:01:49.680 - so that we can start circulating. 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.360 - That's maybe you don't report anything new then. 00:01:53.360 --> 00:01:56.200 - And then you have a meeting with a cool person. 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:04.880 - So yeah, so that's it. 00:02:04.880 --> 00:02:06.480 - Did you want to talk a little bit about-- 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.480 - I don't know if it's a good time at this point, 00:02:08.480 --> 00:02:12.000 - but some of the initial explorations around new tech? 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:18.560 - Would you like me to talk about that now? 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.680 - I think we can get into it when we talk more about this meeting. 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.520 - I have a lot of information to share. 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.800 - OK, we'll wait then. 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.160 - Thank you. 00:02:28.160 --> 00:02:37.280 - OK, so as you saw last week, Council President Stossberg 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.040 - sent a survey around to council members 00:02:40.040 --> 00:02:45.200 - after our first discussion about budget priorities on April 9. 00:02:45.200 --> 00:02:49.920 - And if you can show that-- 00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:53.880 - Yep, I'm working on actually bringing the right thing, 00:02:53.880 --> 00:02:57.840 - like opening the right document. 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.960 - And-- 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:03.360 - So she and I worked on compiling the survey information 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.520 - to inform our discussion tonight. 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.560 - And then if I could be-- 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:08.640 - and I already covered this. 00:03:08.640 --> 00:03:13.360 - I said, I'm working on sharing my screen. 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.320 - I'm hoping that I share the right thing. 00:03:17.160 --> 00:03:17.640 - OK. 00:03:17.640 --> 00:03:25.760 - So this is kind of a preview of tonight. 00:03:25.760 --> 00:03:32.160 - And if committee members have input as to how we might-- 00:03:32.160 --> 00:03:32.920 - So-- 00:03:32.920 --> 00:03:34.920 - Discussion tonight, that's welcome. 00:03:34.920 --> 00:03:42.640 - Just to realize that I have to make sure that I'm not 00:03:42.640 --> 00:03:44.560 - on the Zoom screen right now, which I have. 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:48.880 - OK. 00:03:48.880 --> 00:03:51.520 - So let me zoom in. 00:03:51.520 --> 00:04:00.200 - And maybe I should actually back up for the sake of the public 00:04:00.200 --> 00:04:11.240 - and say that based on the discussion that we had in April-- 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.760 - oh, that was just two weeks ago at our April deliberation 00:04:13.760 --> 00:04:17.160 - meeting, council members shared several ideas at that meeting 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:26.920 - and then also shared afterwards via email 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.560 - specific budget priorities and specific ideas for things 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:31.880 - that they wanted to fund. 00:04:31.880 --> 00:04:36.000 - And so then what I did was I put every single one of those things 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.280 - on a slideshow, which then got distributed 00:04:39.280 --> 00:04:43.720 - and then put that into a Google form questionnaire essentially 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:50.000 - and asked council members to rate these ideas on a 1 to 5 star 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:50.960 - rating. 00:04:50.960 --> 00:04:53.880 - And then these are the results. 00:04:53.880 --> 00:04:58.920 - So I just want to give the instructions 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.080 - that council members received in terms of this. 00:05:01.080 --> 00:05:05.600 - So please do not rate items in comparison to each other. 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.160 - Instead, rate the items according 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.040 - to how much you value the project or concept listed 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.280 - specifically for budget year 2026. 00:05:12.280 --> 00:05:14.480 - For example, if you think something is very important 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.040 - and is an urgent need, consider rating it 5 stars. 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:18.580 - If you think something is important, 00:05:18.580 --> 00:05:21.080 - but it doesn't need to be prioritized in 2026, 00:05:21.080 --> 00:05:22.960 - consider rating it lower. 00:05:22.960 --> 00:05:25.120 - If you think it should never be prioritized, 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.360 - then only give it 1 star. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.080 - And I did tell council members that this was not 00:05:30.080 --> 00:05:33.760 - going to be anonymous and that these results were 00:05:33.760 --> 00:05:36.120 - going to be fully discussed. 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.880 - So that's what you see here on this sheet are those 5 stars. 00:05:39.880 --> 00:05:42.880 - So for example, Isabel-- 00:05:42.880 --> 00:05:46.680 - and zoom in on this a little bit more. 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:51.120 - So Isabel rated a bond to fund the Southwest Fire Station a 1, 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.320 - never a priority. 00:05:53.320 --> 00:05:56.200 - Maybe I didn't follow the instructions correctly. 00:05:56.200 --> 00:05:58.400 - Oh, maybe we didn't follow the instructions correctly. 00:05:58.400 --> 00:06:02.200 - I also did not even notice those instructions 00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:05.280 - for whatever it's worth. 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:07.680 - Eventually, I think we probably do need to do it, 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:09.720 - but I don't see that any time soon. 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:10.720 - OK. 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.720 - This is the problem with instruction. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.960 - What is this, people that don't read instructions? 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:18.920 - I remember when I was trained to be a teacher, 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.880 - they said that if you get the wrong response, 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:23.520 - it's actually the teacher's fault, not the student's fault. 00:06:23.520 --> 00:06:26.720 - So you know-- 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.800 - I think that it is an expectation that you 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.160 - can't read the instructions. 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:32.680 - I'm the same, I'm the same. 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:34.880 - You know, I have a master's in Beijing as well. 00:06:34.880 --> 00:06:37.240 - I know, I'm just saying. 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:42.000 - Anyway, so either way, these are the actual survey results 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.280 - on a one through five, and then the average at the bottom. 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:50.240 - Could we, tonight, ask people if they understood the instructions? 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.380 - Because I'm hearing that Isabel did. 00:06:52.380 --> 00:06:54.480 - So do you have others? 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.480 - And therefore, we'll have to read about it. 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.720 - Either way, I think the thing is that five was best. 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.320 - One is the least probably. 00:07:03.320 --> 00:07:05.760 - I think as long as nobody got that backward. 00:07:05.760 --> 00:07:07.120 - Right, exactly. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.680 - As long as nobody got that backward. 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.800 - But I don't think you want to prioritize 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:17.160 - this underlying that you said this should never be funded. 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:19.360 - Well, I said four isn't quite right. 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.160 - Yeah, the idea that most of us think 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.840 - that we should never fund additional incentives 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:25.600 - to recruit or attain police officers, 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.560 - I don't think is something you'd like to say. 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.320 - Nor do I think that that's what was said. 00:07:32.320 --> 00:07:33.600 - Well, we should make assumptions. 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.640 - Maybe the intent isn't-- 00:07:35.640 --> 00:07:38.280 - Precisely, but we should be clear about-- 00:07:38.280 --> 00:07:39.480 - People could state it tonight. 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:39.960 - Exactly. 00:07:39.960 --> 00:07:41.920 - I wanted to-- that's why I specifically 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:45.240 - read the instructions that I had put on the sheet, though. 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.640 - I'm sorry that not everybody read instructions. 00:07:49.640 --> 00:07:53.440 - We'll move on from that. 00:07:53.440 --> 00:07:55.280 - I'll move on from that. 00:07:55.280 --> 00:07:56.600 - That's all I can do. 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:57.560 - That's all I can do. 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.520 - Anyway, so the first section-- and this 00:07:59.520 --> 00:08:01.200 - is something that is we're working 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:04.280 - on, making sure that this is formatted in such a way 00:08:04.280 --> 00:08:08.880 - that it meets all of the guidelines for accessibility 00:08:08.880 --> 00:08:10.960 - in terms of being released in a packed agenda. 00:08:10.960 --> 00:08:13.120 - So that is something that is being worked on today. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:17.680 - So I have all of this. 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.520 - And I think the other piece of information 00:08:20.520 --> 00:08:24.240 - that is interesting, potentially, 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.800 - is that there is another sheet Isabel and I compiled 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.960 - that just takes the over fours and just takes the over threes 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:33.360 - and categorizes them. 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:34.640 - [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:36.440 - No, it's over threes. 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.640 - And then we wrote a letter that includes 00:08:39.640 --> 00:08:43.240 - all of the 3.5s and above. 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.400 - Basically, we just drew a line somewhere in the sand 00:08:45.400 --> 00:08:46.680 - and said, we're going to put these in, 00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:50.100 - and then we'll see what happens in terms of discussion later. 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:52.520 - Because if people didn't read the instructions 00:08:52.520 --> 00:08:55.960 - and they really wanted things to be a slightly different 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.560 - priority, because this is not supposed 00:08:59.560 --> 00:09:03.760 - to be a result, this is supposed to be 00:09:03.760 --> 00:09:06.560 - a guide in producing a result. 00:09:06.560 --> 00:09:15.440 - So we can-- let me see if I can stop this screen shot. 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.200 - Well, OK, do we want to look at any of these 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.400 - individually further down? 00:09:18.400 --> 00:09:20.720 - Does anyone have a specific one they want to look at? 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.880 - Write this second. 00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:26.720 - I think it's very reasonable to say the threes 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.080 - are what's in there across the board, 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.160 - and that's what goes in the left, things like that. 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:36.540 - And then-- hold on, let me see if I can get back to Zoom. 00:09:36.540 --> 00:09:38.840 - All right, I'm going to stop the screen share. 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:46.520 - And then I'm going to find the screen share of the-- 00:09:46.520 --> 00:09:47.200 - there it is. 00:09:50.800 --> 00:09:54.400 - I have a great number of tabs open. 00:09:54.400 --> 00:10:01.600 - There we go. 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.000 - So this is the thing. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.800 - These are the things that got over four and over five. 00:10:07.800 --> 00:10:10.440 - So incorporating government transparency 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:13.160 - throughout all operations, maintaining our government 00:10:13.160 --> 00:10:16.120 - infrastructure, increasing food security, 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.600 - which Isabella and I discussed was really vague. 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.560 - So in the overall letter, that has a little asterisk 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:23.480 - next to it. 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.280 - Are there specific initiatives that 00:10:25.280 --> 00:10:29.160 - can get attached to this in terms of budgeting? 00:10:29.160 --> 00:10:32.080 - Investing in a non-polluting community response team, 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:34.120 - successful hand support programs, 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.520 - partnering with the county on strategic use of opioid 00:10:37.520 --> 00:10:42.000 - settlement funds, expanding the centerstone partnership. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.120 - I'll keep that a little bit. 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:43.500 - But there we go. 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:45.920 - Incorporating equity as a value through all operations. 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:49.840 - Also got a four. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.120 - And then the threes, continue and expand 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.560 - direct grants and assistance that support residents. 00:10:56.560 --> 00:10:59.680 - Specifically $200,000 for co-location of mental health 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:03.560 - services, $200,000 council office investment, 00:11:03.560 --> 00:11:06.920 - $6 to $10 million on priorities and safe streets for all, 00:11:06.920 --> 00:11:09.240 - funding a land bank, doubling Jack Hopkins, 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.840 - housing summit, $8 million for sidewalks. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.280 - And I want to point that one out too, 00:11:13.280 --> 00:11:16.880 - because we have a pretty relatively high priority 00:11:16.880 --> 00:11:18.320 - on that, $8 million for sidewalks, 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.880 - multi-use paths, et cetera. 00:11:19.880 --> 00:11:22.840 - And then also $6 to $10 million on priorities and safe streets 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:23.720 - for all. 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.080 - And those have tremendous overlap in them. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.880 - And so tonight, that's going to be one of those things too, 00:11:28.880 --> 00:11:30.880 - that we can talk about how we can. 00:11:30.880 --> 00:11:34.600 - So what was the line between medium and high cost? 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.440 - When does something go from a high cost? 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.040 - Isabella, do you want to talk about that? 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:44.160 - It was really a big ballpark. 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:49.040 - So it's just like, I was eyeballing it and saying, OK, 00:11:49.040 --> 00:11:54.520 - we want to expand direct grants, assist and support residents. 00:11:54.520 --> 00:11:57.360 - We currently do that maybe with $50,000. 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.440 - So maybe $100,000, that's going to be-- that's medium. 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:05.640 - And my $100,000 report is medium in my view. 00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:07.800 - Low is like government transparency. 00:12:07.800 --> 00:12:11.480 - Well, I don't know, we might get a consultant for $50,000, 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.880 - but it's not going to cost us that much. 00:12:13.880 --> 00:12:19.400 - A high is like a million long term, all time year. 00:12:19.400 --> 00:12:23.400 - I think it's super useful to have that cost sort of estimate 00:12:23.400 --> 00:12:24.080 - of what we think. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.600 - But some of them, I think maybe we 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.000 - want to tease out a little bit because we 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:33.520 - have a mid at $200,000 and then a high at $6 to $10 million, 00:12:33.520 --> 00:12:37.760 - which feels like there's a category in between the $10,000 00:12:37.760 --> 00:12:40.520 - and the $6 to $10 million, right? 00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:45.880 - Yeah, it was just a starting point. 00:12:45.880 --> 00:12:51.360 - Yeah, but I think a super useful is saying this is high priority. 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:56.040 - Seeing things that are high priority, low cost is easy wins. 00:12:56.040 --> 00:12:57.720 - It's essential that we've identified it. 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.600 - And then the others are here are the things, high priority, 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.040 - high cost things are the things that need to form the base. 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:06.280 - We need to spend a lot of time talking about those things 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:09.840 - so that we don't spend all of our time talking about high priority, 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:12.440 - low cost things, like incorporating transparency. 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.920 - We don't need to spend three hours in our negotiations 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:19.000 - with the mayor about it in the same way 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.880 - that we might really want to make sure that we get close to our $6 00:13:22.880 --> 00:13:25.280 - to $10 million on Safe Streets for All as an example. 00:13:25.280 --> 00:13:36.120 - Now, with the transparency, if we're going to look at the graph, 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.520 - the very rough draft memo to the mayor, 00:13:39.520 --> 00:13:41.720 - I don't think there are any specific points under that. 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:42.280 - Right. 00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:43.560 - What do we mean? 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:44.040 - Right. 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:45.000 - Why is that? 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.000 - Right. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:47.720 - What does it really need to be for the government 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:48.680 - to be transparent? 00:13:48.680 --> 00:13:50.920 - And the other thing about the costs that I want to say 00:13:50.920 --> 00:13:55.560 - is, I mean, Isabel estimated those. 00:13:55.560 --> 00:13:57.800 - That was Isabel's contribution to the chart. 00:13:57.800 --> 00:14:00.040 - Actually, Isabel made this whole thing 00:14:00.040 --> 00:14:03.000 - based on what Isabel knows, which is a lot of things. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:03.520 - Yeah. 00:14:03.520 --> 00:14:08.600 - But maybe incorporating government transparency 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.840 - throughout all operations would cost more than Isabel 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:11.920 - thinks that it would cost. 00:14:11.920 --> 00:14:12.680 - Right. 00:14:12.680 --> 00:14:14.320 - And so that is part of-- 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.480 - it's a guess. 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:19.800 - Well, some of these-- 00:14:19.800 --> 00:14:20.600 - Some of these-- 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:21.160 - It's a guess. 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:24.000 - I don't know how much is already being spent. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.520 - Yeah. 00:14:24.520 --> 00:14:27.440 - Like when we say double the road repaying budget, 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.520 - I don't know what it is now. 00:14:29.520 --> 00:14:30.280 - I know it's going to-- 00:14:30.280 --> 00:14:32.480 - I mean, I know that's going to be high. 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.120 - And is that the same as maintain-- 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:36.640 - that's part of government infrastructure. 00:14:36.640 --> 00:14:38.560 - So again, there's overlap. 00:14:38.560 --> 00:14:39.080 - Right. 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.360 - And there's space to tease it out. 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.240 - And so just for the sake of the public, 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:43.680 - I knew going into this that there 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:45.160 - was overlap between these. 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:47.560 - And unless two people, two council members 00:14:47.560 --> 00:14:51.920 - said the exact same thing, I left the overlap. 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:59.040 - I just-- I was not going to try to synthesize two people's 00:14:59.040 --> 00:14:59.800 - thoughts together. 00:14:59.800 --> 00:15:03.200 - I was just going to have two separate similar items. 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:08.280 - So I think that we left off at the $8 million per sidewalk. 00:15:08.280 --> 00:15:10.680 - So additional council staff, which 00:15:10.680 --> 00:15:14.600 - got a little bit lower than that specific-- 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.240 - sorry, that was a specific thing as opposed 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:23.280 - to the more broad $200,000 for council office investment, 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:25.640 - which could be used for additional staff 00:15:25.640 --> 00:15:28.840 - or could be used in other ways in the office. 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.040 - So that's sort of an interesting difference as well. 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:35.080 - Investments related to transportation safety 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.680 - and efficiency, that also overlaps 00:15:37.680 --> 00:15:41.280 - some with that safe streets for all. 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:47.240 - Incentives for small developers, small multi-unit buildings, 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.480 - burning process changes. 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:50.640 - And see, that's where-- 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:52.480 - so in the letter, we didn't put anything 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.440 - on that was underneath this 3.5. 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:00.000 - But, Isaac, you're right, if there's some low-cost things 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.480 - that are close to the border-- 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.320 - I mean, like, limiting Airbnb is like, Dave, 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.560 - that was your idea, and in a big way, 00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:12.000 - that's like a legislative thing. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.240 - We've got to figure out enforcement of it afterwards, 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.520 - but it starts with legislative action. 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:18.560 - And so that's fine. 00:16:18.560 --> 00:16:22.800 - It's a team approach, because we have no enforcement power. 00:16:22.800 --> 00:16:24.960 - So the mayor would have to take that on 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.920 - and have to have an agreement with the department of the board. 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:31.040 - But if we can get legislation as a guide of what this is, 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:33.960 - this is what we want in terms of how to do it, 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.720 - I mean, I think that that's probably 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.440 - the beginning of that lift as opposed to the end. 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:44.600 - I think you all can read. 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.640 - I don't know if you want me to read all of these for you. 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:49.960 - Well, and I think just with the Airbnbs, 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.440 - we definitely need buy-in from the administration. 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.400 - I mean, remember the scooters. 00:16:56.400 --> 00:17:00.640 - We have very clear guidelines for years enforced. 00:17:00.640 --> 00:17:04.640 - So anyway, sorry. 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:06.520 - So I have a question that goes back 00:17:06.520 --> 00:17:09.760 - to what Isabel said before your discussion a moment ago. 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:13.880 - Tris, Isabel misunderstood the ranking. 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:18.760 - And Isabel, you said, it's not that I 00:17:18.760 --> 00:17:20.520 - don't want this to ever happen. 00:17:20.520 --> 00:17:23.960 - I want to-- it's just the temporal nature. 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.560 - How soon do I want it? 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:28.960 - How soon is soon? 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.880 - And I mean, what kind of outlook are we looking at? 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:35.880 - Is this just for this year, or is it-- 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.080 - My instruction said the five should be the things that you 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:42.440 - really want to prioritize as soon 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.320 - as possible, which is funding in fiscal year 2026. 00:17:45.320 --> 00:17:48.760 - I mean, that's what the instruction said. 00:17:48.760 --> 00:17:50.880 - But I mean-- 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:52.040 - So soon is this year. 00:17:52.040 --> 00:17:55.720 - So your outlook was this year, or this. 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:57.480 - OK, just one more time. 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.200 - How do we feel-- and this is not a rhetorical question, 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:08.000 - just genuinely about the way that we're then-- 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:16.760 - so we're prioritizing the collective list, 00:18:16.760 --> 00:18:19.640 - assuming that most people were looking at them 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.120 - not in relation to each other. 00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:25.280 - So assuming most people didn't read the instructions, 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:27.800 - and they're not bad students like me, right? 00:18:27.800 --> 00:18:32.920 - If everybody ranked those things independent 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:37.520 - of the other things, and then we're now ranking them 00:18:37.520 --> 00:18:40.800 - in relationship to each other, we 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:42.240 - didn't first rank them that way. 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:43.600 - Do you see what I mean? 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:44.920 - So how do we-- 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.360 - because there's a different question, which is-- 00:18:48.360 --> 00:18:51.160 - there's sort of like an assumption that it's-- 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.000 - assuming we could do all of the things, how do you rank this 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:00.080 - if we didn't rank them relative to each other? 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:02.800 - Do you see what I'm trying to think through here? 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:05.880 - Well, I think that that is what the conversation and the 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.680 - discussion processes are for, is to rank them 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.360 - in compared to each other. 00:19:10.360 --> 00:19:13.080 - So that's why I felt like this was useful to go like, OK, 00:19:13.080 --> 00:19:19.640 - if-- because I mean, in our minds and what we want to be 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.440 - able to do, we're not constrained in the same way 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.480 - that in practical terms, we're constrained by how much money 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.760 - we have, we're constrained by how much staff we have, 00:19:27.760 --> 00:19:30.440 - we're constrained by how plausible 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:31.960 - it is to enforce things. 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.680 - Even if we had staff, we're constrained 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:35.840 - by Indiana state law. 00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:37.960 - We have all these constraints that 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.600 - have to play into it in real life. 00:19:39.600 --> 00:19:44.880 - But if given-- yeah. 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.640 - But also thinking about the-- 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:50.080 - so one thing we haven't done here, 00:19:50.080 --> 00:19:53.480 - I don't know if we need to, but is then 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.680 - thinking about how these-- 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.200 - where each of these fits. 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.240 - And there's overlap, like we already talked about, 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:05.000 - but where each of these fit within the broader, what 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.720 - do we call them, goal areas, priority areas. 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:12.760 - And so in how we've ranked-- 00:20:12.760 --> 00:20:15.920 - in our first conversation, we ranked those goal areas, 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:17.440 - roughly. 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.840 - Though I don't know if we arrived at an answer, 00:20:19.840 --> 00:20:24.640 - but we at least started to have that conversation. 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:26.960 - Because what I'm trying to say is there may be-- 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.960 - how do you deal with multiple similarly ranked things, 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.400 - like here, so we say, continue to expand direct grants 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.240 - and assistance to support residents. 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.520 - And then maybe those are actually quite similar. 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:44.400 - So maybe actually, I mean, now thinking about this out loud, 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.160 - maybe the process has yielded quite similar things. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.960 - Because things like Double Jack Hopkins, 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:51.600 - all those are ranked quite similarly, 00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:56.320 - and they are all very similar proposals, right? 00:20:56.320 --> 00:20:59.440 - It would fall under the same-- 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.960 - but it's interesting to me, and I'll 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:05.520 - stop after saying this, maybe this informs our conversation 00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:06.640 - for this evening. 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:13.560 - I think that $8 million for sidewalks is one. 00:21:13.560 --> 00:21:16.240 - The number $8 million might have affected 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:18.960 - the score of our priority. 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:20.960 - Whereas some of these are general. 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.120 - If it had said fund sidewalks, I wonder 00:21:23.120 --> 00:21:25.440 - if we would have ranked it higher, question one. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:29.880 - But then do we, even though it's ranked lower in score 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.360 - as continue to expand direct grant and assistance 00:21:32.360 --> 00:21:34.840 - to support residents, is funding sidewalks more 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:38.360 - important to us as a council than direct grants 00:21:38.360 --> 00:21:40.840 - and assistance to support residents, as one example? 00:21:40.840 --> 00:21:45.800 - Just one random example. 00:21:45.800 --> 00:21:48.760 - Well, I'll tell you, my personal answer to number one 00:21:48.760 --> 00:21:52.640 - is that, yeah, sometimes with certain dollar amounts, 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:54.560 - I rated them differently, because I was 00:21:54.560 --> 00:21:57.040 - responding to the dollar amount. 00:21:57.040 --> 00:22:01.600 - Because I was kind of looking at that and going, 00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:03.800 - oh, where's a good one? 00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:08.280 - A good one is not on this list, maybe. 00:22:08.280 --> 00:22:11.800 - Or even maybe the UDO one, the $200,000 to $400,000 00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:12.840 - overhaul the UDO. 00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:15.040 - It's like, I don't know, within 2026, 00:22:15.040 --> 00:22:17.120 - I want to prioritize that money. 00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:19.200 - Instead, I want to do the take steps now 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.560 - toward form-based code than before an eventual UDO overhaul. 00:22:22.560 --> 00:22:24.120 - So it is kind of interesting, actually, 00:22:24.120 --> 00:22:27.440 - that those two things averaged out identical to each other. 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.520 - Because for me, I was going, OK, I 00:22:29.520 --> 00:22:34.520 - don't want to put that dollar number on something. 00:22:34.520 --> 00:22:36.640 - But yes, I do want this overhaul to happen. 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.000 - And we need to take steps toward that right now. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:39.500 - Right. 00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:42.840 - Yeah. 00:22:42.840 --> 00:22:44.480 - These are all good questions. 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.120 - I don't know if there's-- 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:50.120 - I don't know that all council members would agree 00:22:50.120 --> 00:22:53.120 - on the [INAUDIBLE] especially how we filled this out. 00:22:53.120 --> 00:22:55.160 - Right, right, right. 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.440 - We do need to keep that in mind for the discussion tonight 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.840 - so we all understand exactly, OK, what 00:23:01.840 --> 00:23:05.640 - our memo to the mayor, if that's what we want to do, 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:09.440 - what is it saying, like, in what context, 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:15.200 - and is it relative to each other, the priorities? 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:19.320 - Or can we even put in the memo, put some above 00:23:19.320 --> 00:23:21.920 - and say the ones that appear first 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.240 - or have the most support? 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:32.880 - But it's very difficult, the specificity versus the very 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.160 - broad things like improved food security. 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.760 - Like, how much is that? 00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:38.680 - What is it? 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.400 - What is that? 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:46.000 - So we had quite a range in the proposals of specificity. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.320 - So I stopped that share so then I could share the letter next. 00:23:49.320 --> 00:23:50.000 - OK. 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:54.360 - And while she's doing that, I will say-- 00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:56.760 - and I pointed this out in brackets in different points 00:23:56.760 --> 00:23:57.320 - of the letter. 00:23:57.320 --> 00:24:00.120 - Some of these are the same as last year. 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:02.400 - They have the same things last year. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.000 - So that's interesting to note. 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.320 - Yeah, so we used the basic format of the same letters 00:24:11.320 --> 00:24:15.080 - last year in terms of having a little bit of language in here 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:17.040 - that just talks about the budgeting process, 00:24:17.040 --> 00:24:20.280 - mentions SD1 as this kind of piece of uncertainty 00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:24.120 - because it's going to change our revenue outlook, potentially 00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:26.320 - substantially. 00:24:26.320 --> 00:24:29.080 - And so we're going to have to figure out 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:33.840 - a way to respond to that. 00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:39.000 - And yeah, and so then it's very helpfully blue and red 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.480 - depending on the average rating. 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:49.000 - So blue is 4 and above, and then red is the 3 and 1/2 to 4. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.760 - And then it's sort of by outcome area objective investments. 00:24:53.760 --> 00:24:57.560 - And so the government transparency, 00:24:57.560 --> 00:25:01.320 - very broad objective, what are the specific investments? 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:05.080 - And so that's where, as part of the conversation tonight, 00:25:05.080 --> 00:25:07.800 - what are specific investments that we want to put under there? 00:25:07.800 --> 00:25:11.240 - And so for example, it's like I own a better website 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:12.200 - under there. 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.280 - I think that if Eric is somewhere online, which he is, 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:18.560 - he would say something about the open finance portal. 00:25:18.560 --> 00:25:23.480 - But making sure that that is optimized for user interactions 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:28.120 - and accuracy as part of that investment. 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:30.000 - And I think that investments can be time 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:31.320 - and investments can be money. 00:25:31.320 --> 00:25:32.880 - Meantime is money in some ways. 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.680 - But what do we want investments to be? 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.960 - And these are in no particular order, Isabel. 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:39.640 - Is that correct? 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:40.160 - Correct. 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:48.560 - And the notes on the side, I put those in line in the packet 00:25:48.560 --> 00:25:50.760 - that you all are getting via email 00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:54.600 - because I was trying to make it more accessible. 00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:58.000 - I delved into PDF accessibility last night, 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.960 - and it was a nightmare. 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.680 - It helps us all appreciate our staff more. 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:06.180 - Hi. 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.040 - Welcome to my-- 00:26:07.040 --> 00:26:11.400 - I have a question. 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.200 - Yeah. 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.680 - So we're proceeding on our agenda, 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.160 - and I should have mentioned earlier. 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.080 - Jessica, are you going to come tonight? 00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:23.680 - I am open to that. 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:26.320 - I just realized during this meeting 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:28.440 - that it might be useful for me to be there. 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.560 - Well, the reason I-- 00:26:30.560 --> 00:26:34.000 - I just realized now I might be there. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.640 - So you're on the floor on today's agenda now. 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.960 - But I'm sure you have a lot to say about the latest state, 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.200 - the implications of that state. 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.040 - And I'm thinking that's probably going 00:26:47.040 --> 00:26:52.360 - to have some sort of impact on our discussion tonight. 00:26:52.360 --> 00:26:57.320 - In other words, the budget that we assumed was happening 00:26:57.320 --> 00:26:59.120 - may not be happening. 00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:05.480 - And we have some tough decisions to make about whether we're 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.080 - going to-- 00:27:07.080 --> 00:27:08.720 - I mean, I assume we're probably going 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.880 - to have to raise the ED lid. 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.240 - But do we raise it a little bit and then 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.880 - cut the budget concurrently? 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.800 - Because I would like a discussion about that. 00:27:18.800 --> 00:27:21.840 - Is there something we can cut? 00:27:21.840 --> 00:27:25.880 - We could raise the ED lid corresponding to the gap. 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.600 - Or we could raise the ED lid to fill the gap plus more. 00:27:29.600 --> 00:27:34.760 - So this is, of course, a lot of it is great stuff. 00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:38.880 - But it assumes a budget that we formerly were anticipating 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.840 - that we no longer have. 00:27:40.840 --> 00:27:43.280 - So does that make sense that we would-- 00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:44.800 - because I'm going on the assumption 00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:47.840 - that everybody's agreeing that the income tax as it's 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:50.840 - structured is without tiers, without brackets, 00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:52.400 - and it's regressive. 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.680 - And I don't want to-- 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:58.000 - I'm going to be very hesitant about raising taxes at all. 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:02.000 - So anyway, what do you think about it? 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.200 - About coming tonight? 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:04.520 - Well, about coming and discussing 00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:07.080 - the implications of the state budget cuts 00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:11.240 - and maybe just tentatively wages in which we could proceed. 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.520 - I'm prepared to talk to you all about it now a little bit. 00:28:14.520 --> 00:28:17.680 - And that might be a good kind of just like a good practice 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.760 - session before we present it to everyone tonight. 00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:21.920 - We could kind of go over some-- go over what I have. 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.680 - And I could hear what your questions are. 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.400 - And then I'd be better prepared to present 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.320 - to the whole room tonight. 00:28:27.320 --> 00:28:29.720 - And I'd be happy to-- absolutely happy to do that. 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.200 - I've also-- I could also be available tonight 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.440 - to just try to like quickly answer 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.880 - general financial questions. 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.160 - Like how much did we spend on streets and sidewalks and alleys 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.200 - in total in the budget? 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.160 - And how much do we spend? 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.920 - And just in general terms on these various things 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.480 - in the budget, so you have an idea when you want something. 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.760 - If I have any sense of like, are we already doing that? 00:28:52.760 --> 00:28:53.800 - Are we budgeting for that? 00:28:53.800 --> 00:28:55.960 - How much do we normally spend on that? 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.800 - I'd be happy to be there to help. 00:28:57.800 --> 00:29:00.440 - Well, and here's the question. 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.720 - So that wasn't really built into this agenda. 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.560 - But it is built in on May 14 when 00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:10.460 - we have a joint session between council and administration 00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:11.760 - about budget. 00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:16.440 - Was the SB1-- sorry, was SB1 built in tonight? 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:16.680 - No. 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:17.400 - Discussion on that? 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:17.680 - OK. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.200 - No. 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.200 - OK. 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.640 - Because this was done before. 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.840 - I mean, this was all planned in terms of the structure 00:29:24.840 --> 00:29:28.320 - before SB1 passed, before we knew what SB1 was 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:30.560 - going to look like in the end because it had so many changes 00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:31.320 - on it. 00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:34.920 - So I think that's a good question. 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:39.600 - I wonder if-- because if tonight the goal is to figure out 00:29:39.600 --> 00:29:43.000 - councils, like our consensus, essentially, 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.800 - what we agree as priorities, what we want to-- 00:29:46.800 --> 00:29:49.480 - I mean, I think ultimately our original goal of this 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.720 - was to try to prioritize our priorities, right? 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.200 - Which might mean changing the order of this letter, 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.600 - for example, and putting the highest priority things first 00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:00.560 - and then dribbling down, right? 00:30:00.560 --> 00:30:02.760 - Or something like that. 00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:04.120 - And I think that-- 00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:08.880 - I don't know. 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.200 - In my opinion, I think it's still 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.680 - worth to do it kind of the same way that we had been doing it. 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:21.000 - And then in May, when we're trying to, I'll say, 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.460 - find consensus in the administration in terms 00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:24.240 - of reality. 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:29.240 - Because I mean, I still think that this list of ours 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.000 - is still more high level, high in the sky. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.000 - This is what we dream of, as opposed to what 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.880 - are the realities on the ground? 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.960 - What are the practical ends of what we can really 00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.080 - accomplish in terms of how much money we have 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:43.800 - and practical things about enforcement 00:30:43.800 --> 00:30:45.640 - and all of that kind of stuff? 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.600 - But I don't know. 00:30:48.600 --> 00:30:53.120 - Here's a thought, maybe, about how to approach this. 00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:54.480 - And I'm building off of something 00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:02.760 - that Gretchen said at our last fiscal task force meeting, 00:31:02.760 --> 00:31:05.600 - which is that we could think of this document 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:10.800 - as helping us in the first stages of negotiation. 00:31:10.800 --> 00:31:13.720 - So rather than it being here are the things we want in the budget. 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.240 - It's more of us saying, here are certain things 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.720 - that we can sort of-- 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.000 - if you agree with Mayor and team, it's a lot easier. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.160 - We don't need to spend a lot of time talking about it. 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.200 - If you already agree that you like these categories 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.640 - and you already agree that you want funding for sidewalks, 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:33.220 - there is general consensus amongst us 00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:34.440 - that we want those things. 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.640 - And then so it's sort of this is more-- 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.960 - maybe this first letter is more in the terms of sort of setting. 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.400 - It's like the first letter of a negotiation. 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.040 - It's just saying, here's the sort of boundaries 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:48.920 - in which we're hoping to discuss. 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.800 - And because you asked a good question, I think, 00:31:52.800 --> 00:31:55.160 - on the survey, which is like, OK, there 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.320 - weren't any proposals around economic development. 00:31:57.320 --> 00:31:58.120 - What does this mean? 00:31:58.120 --> 00:31:59.680 - And it's like, well, maybe it means 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:01.080 - that we didn't have enough time. 00:32:01.080 --> 00:32:06.480 - Maybe it means that lots of things, we just-- 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.880 - We're not experts in all the things. 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.240 - Yeah, that, right? 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.000 - And so it's like-- so it's not-- 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.160 - I think what I wouldn't want this letter to be is, 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.560 - as it was last year, in our method, it led to this. 00:32:21.560 --> 00:32:23.800 - And I think that was OK, because we had the right method 00:32:23.800 --> 00:32:25.480 - to lead to this output, which is, here 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.560 - are all the things that council members would like to see, 00:32:27.560 --> 00:32:31.400 - or 20 demands, if you will, or 20 requests or something 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.600 - like that, and so meet them. 00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:38.160 - This is more, we're trying to work together 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.120 - and be collaborative on coming up with what outcomes are 00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:44.360 - and the proper ways of achieving those type of outcomes. 00:32:44.360 --> 00:32:47.920 - And here's some of our initial thinking on that. 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.080 - Can I offer, as an observer, going back 00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:57.000 - to council member Rallo's point, it 00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.880 - seems like having some presentation from Jessica 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.040 - tonight about some of these broader issues 00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:08.520 - on the landscape would be helpful to council members 00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:13.600 - and sifting through some of those issues. 00:33:13.600 --> 00:33:17.080 - And then it might give more time for that information 00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:23.160 - to percolate down a separation for the joint meeting. 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.840 - But what I'm also saying, perhaps, 00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:29.360 - is that maybe we just need to put a little bit of uncertainty, 00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:33.560 - if you will, openness to negotiation in the framing, 00:33:33.560 --> 00:33:36.000 - which is to say, and I think you've already 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.240 - done this at the beginning. 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.520 - We get there, these are times. 00:33:39.520 --> 00:33:41.760 - But I think then framing the purpose of this 00:33:41.760 --> 00:33:45.000 - is to start our discussions rather than, 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.360 - this is the last email you will receive from us 00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:49.280 - of these type 20-- you know what I'm saying? 00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:53.080 - Yeah, and we recognize that there may be multiple ways 00:33:53.080 --> 00:33:54.400 - to meet an objective. 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:57.520 - We encourage collaborative deliberation. 00:33:57.520 --> 00:33:59.840 - Recognize that several recommendations will take more 00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:01.760 - than one year to implement. 00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:04.240 - We look forward to our discussion on May 14th. 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.240 - Right. 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.720 - I think this is then, in which case, I think framed super well. 00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:15.000 - And again, to today's point, as these things 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.680 - are evolving better, I think then 00:34:17.680 --> 00:34:21.360 - us having this ranking already, we're 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.800 - a half step towards us putting them in some type of order. 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.960 - But this wasn't something that all of us 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.320 - were really, really wanted. 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:32.040 - And the things that need to be perhaps removed from it 00:34:32.040 --> 00:34:32.760 - are-- 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.160 - give some indication there. 00:34:36.160 --> 00:34:40.640 - I guess I would tend to agree with Lisa 00:34:40.640 --> 00:34:45.560 - that even though we didn't put it on the agenda, 00:34:45.560 --> 00:34:48.280 - I mean, it's an elephant in the room 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.320 - that's going to show up invited or not, that's being won. 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.240 - And I don't want this meeting to feel like we're so out of touch 00:34:55.240 --> 00:34:58.880 - that we're talking about grandiose projects 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.600 - without recognizing the realities 00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:05.000 - of our shrinking finances. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.160 - But I mean, it's up to you then. 00:35:07.160 --> 00:35:10.320 - And the more times you hear about it, the more it'll sink in. 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.520 - Because it is a huge bill. 00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:13.360 - And there are many complicated things in it. 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.160 - So it's not-- 00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:17.040 - I don't want you to just hear it one time 00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:20.680 - and then have to remember it until 2030, 00:35:20.680 --> 00:35:22.760 - when all the things actually get implemented. 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:23.260 - Yeah. 00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:25.280 - So it's very confusing. 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.960 - So I talked to Gretchen already about the representative 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.440 - from Reedy, who was at the panel last week, coming on May 14. 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.600 - And-- 00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:33.760 - We've been communicating. 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.560 - We've been communicating. 00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:35.080 - OK, great. 00:35:35.080 --> 00:35:37.560 - And then maybe there's one other-- 00:35:37.560 --> 00:35:39.640 - Gretchen recommended a whole 'nother meeting, too, 00:35:39.640 --> 00:35:43.880 - just about SB1 stuff, as well, somewhere, 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.640 - which would have to probably happen at a-- 00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:52.320 - not Wednesday night, not at a time that is not currently 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.580 - known. 00:35:54.580 --> 00:35:56.080 - Just a quick question. 00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:56.600 - So-- 00:35:56.600 --> 00:35:58.160 - Actually, hold on. 00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:00.840 - The first item is presentation of compiled information 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.520 - and summary of special fiscal committee discussion, 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:06.240 - which means that that actually could be built 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:11.120 - in with Jessica, a component of SB1, 00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:14.000 - because we literally just talked about it right now. 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.560 - And we're having a presentation next. 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.880 - So that doesn't actually change the agenda. 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.520 - It just might change the timing of how long the meeting lasts. 00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:27.960 - But I also think that the last thing was to final comment/vote 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.360 - on priorities list. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:34.760 - I've not felt like this would be ready for a vote for a week. 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.480 - I just don't think that it's reasonable to think 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.960 - that tonight we're going to consensus around a letter 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.520 - that we want to vote on. 00:36:42.520 --> 00:36:46.200 - I think that maybe we can consensus around ideas 00:36:46.200 --> 00:36:48.760 - that will need to be modified into a final version of a letter 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.840 - to be presented at next week, probably, 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.480 - as part of a council member comment. 00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:00.000 - And you would like unanimity on that, I suppose. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.520 - I mean, there might be council members say, 00:37:02.520 --> 00:37:07.040 - I don't agree with my priorities. 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:10.080 - Amazingly, last year we were able to do it. 00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:12.560 - Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't. 00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:14.840 - I'm definitely wanting to-- 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.720 - You think that we should try for unanimity? 00:37:17.720 --> 00:37:22.000 - And I think that this is like a whole council conversation 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:29.040 - to go, how much do we care about unanimity versus-- 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:31.880 - I mean, I think sometimes to get unanimity, 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.280 - you have to water things down so much that then they're not 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.680 - helpful anymore. 00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:38.040 - So depending on-- 00:37:38.040 --> 00:37:39.880 - so it's like, OK, in order to get unanimity, 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.560 - are we going to have to water things down enough for everybody 00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:43.680 - to agree? 00:37:43.680 --> 00:37:45.200 - Or are we going to say, oh, we'll 00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:49.600 - be OK with five or six votes in a document that's 00:37:49.600 --> 00:37:51.400 - super robust? 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:56.120 - And as a body, what do we want to do? 00:37:56.120 --> 00:37:57.600 - I don't-- 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:01.880 - And do you think that's where the space of us discussing, 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.440 - what is the purpose of this document? 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.640 - That came into play last year during budget, 00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:09.640 - where it was like, OK, we all voted 00:38:09.640 --> 00:38:13.040 - for this, but then clearly, a lot of us were like, well, 00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:14.920 - I mean, yeah, there are things on there that 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.160 - were make or break for me. 00:38:16.160 --> 00:38:17.680 - I was happy for them to be included. 00:38:17.680 --> 00:38:19.320 - I didn't want them to not be included, 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.320 - but that not being included in the budget didn't change. 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.880 - So whereas others said, no, the things that were in this thing 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.920 - was what we all expected, so maybe some conversation 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:34.520 - on what it is that we're adopting or sending, 00:38:34.520 --> 00:38:36.920 - I think, is important, too. 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.640 - Yeah, yeah. 00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:41.600 - But I'm certainly happy. 00:38:41.600 --> 00:38:46.320 - I think personally, and I would advocate for an approach 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.000 - that sort of starts on, whatever is included, 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.820 - does anybody have an objection to the thing being included? 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:55.360 - And if there's an objection, let that be noted, right? 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.480 - But it's sort of like-- 00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:01.040 - That's a good approach. 00:39:01.040 --> 00:39:03.000 - Thank you. 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.120 - I was just going to ask Jessica, what's the hit? 00:39:06.120 --> 00:39:07.800 - What are we going to-- 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.240 - and when does it happen for the city? 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:12.440 - So 37 million-- I don't know anything about this, 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:13.560 - Bill, I'm red. 00:39:13.560 --> 00:39:16.200 - So 37 million over three years, what does that mean? 00:39:16.200 --> 00:39:18.400 - Should that wait until we get through this, and then just-- 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:19.200 - Oh, yeah. 00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:20.320 - You're going to address that. 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:21.080 - OK, yeah. 00:39:21.080 --> 00:39:22.280 - All right, thank you. 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.080 - I mean, this is like the last stage here. 00:39:24.080 --> 00:39:27.480 - OK, yeah, definitely. 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.480 - So high-performing government, maintain government 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.920 - infrastructure, which doesn't have any specific investments 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.240 - under it, and maybe as council members, 00:39:37.240 --> 00:39:38.920 - we have some ideas about that. 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.640 - But maybe we don't, in terms of, say, 00:39:42.640 --> 00:39:45.720 - how much money it costs to maintain different pieces, 00:39:45.720 --> 00:39:47.760 - because that's a very practical on-the-ground thing 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.120 - that the department has now, but we don't necessarily 00:39:50.120 --> 00:39:52.520 - know in terms of dollar amounts. 00:39:52.520 --> 00:39:54.400 - And then improve functionality and work 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.240 - capacity of city council. 00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:58.720 - And then those two specific things 00:39:58.720 --> 00:40:02.080 - was the $200,000 in council office operations, 00:40:02.080 --> 00:40:04.280 - and higher additional council staff. 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.880 - And those were the things that got over the 3.5. 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.360 - But then I think that there was another one that 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:15.280 - was just under 3.5. 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.720 - Got more money for consultants, I think. 00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:20.120 - Something like that. 00:40:20.120 --> 00:40:22.920 - But that could all maybe be rolled into the $200,000, 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.080 - and it's $200,000 the best number. 00:40:25.080 --> 00:40:27.800 - I can't remember who said the $200,000 originally. 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:29.240 - It might have been Flaherty. 00:40:29.240 --> 00:40:30.960 - Yes, it was. 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.360 - And I also don't know how that coincides with the budget 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:35.720 - that you presented. 00:40:35.720 --> 00:40:39.080 - The department budget that I presented to the fiscal 00:40:39.080 --> 00:40:43.680 - committee was less than that. 00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:44.760 - Yeah, and so-- 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:50.120 - It didn't utilize consultants and some strategic contractual 00:40:50.120 --> 00:40:51.960 - components, potentially. 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.320 - Right, and so is that the number-- 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.120 - does that number need to be adjusted? 00:40:57.120 --> 00:40:59.920 - That's the kind of conversation I want to have later. 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:01.840 - Neighborhood livability and social health, 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.560 - increased food security for our residents. 00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:08.560 - Isabel carried that investment over directly from last year 00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:12.040 - about incentives to develop grocery stores and food 00:41:12.040 --> 00:41:18.840 - deserts, and then aiding the low-income residents 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.240 - by doubling Jack Hopkins, expanding, 00:41:21.240 --> 00:41:23.160 - and continuing direct grants. 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:27.640 - So I think mostly-- Isabel, I think mostly you did this work. 00:41:27.640 --> 00:41:31.600 - Thank you to kind of take some of those specific investments 00:41:31.600 --> 00:41:35.960 - and backtrack them into common objectives. 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.200 - And that's very helpful. 00:41:38.200 --> 00:41:43.920 - Public safety, investing in a non-police community response 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.040 - team, and then a slight rephrase from last year's objective 00:41:48.040 --> 00:41:58.200 - about a similar thing, housing and homelessness, 00:41:58.200 --> 00:42:01.320 - maintaining safe housing by continuing hand support 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.000 - programs, and then the housing summit, the bonding 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.280 - or otherwise funding a land bank and trust. 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.160 - And this is, of course, another interesting-- 00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:12.000 - this is maybe the first example of something 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.440 - that I'm going, how much is the city already helping 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.680 - the summit land trust? 00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:19.400 - Are they helping the summit land trust? 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.480 - How is that relationship working right now? 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.600 - Is that a new investment, or do we just 00:42:24.600 --> 00:42:27.640 - need to be more explicitly shown how we're currently 00:42:27.640 --> 00:42:28.960 - investing in that space? 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.240 - And is it making a difference? 00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:31.200 - Do we need to-- 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:36.160 - So this stuff tells with what I was reporting on the last time 00:42:36.160 --> 00:42:42.920 - that we met, is that we primarily 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.040 - have talked about what most people think about 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:49.920 - as investments or enhancements. 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.480 - What we haven't touched on is continuing and stopping 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.040 - this stuff, which would be the other two categories of things. 00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:00.200 - And so to that point-- 00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:01.680 - and that might be useful in framing 00:43:01.680 --> 00:43:04.840 - to say that most of this is about enhancements, 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:09.240 - if you will, and investments we'd like to see happen. 00:43:09.240 --> 00:43:10.800 - And this shouldn't be taken to mean 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.360 - that there's lots of good that happens 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.000 - that we're in support of, but that's 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.360 - been outside of our conversation so far. 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.600 - Yeah, I mean, that's how I saw the government transparency 00:43:21.600 --> 00:43:22.120 - thing. 00:43:22.120 --> 00:43:24.640 - I think the administration is working on that, 00:43:24.640 --> 00:43:26.720 - and I just write them to keep working on it. 00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:28.000 - Well, and I think that we're in-- 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.720 - I mean, legal compliance is usually the lowest bar to jump, 00:43:31.720 --> 00:43:35.640 - but I do think that that is a piece of transparency. 00:43:35.640 --> 00:43:37.320 - We're noticing things. 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.480 - Doors are open. 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:39.440 - It's public. 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.120 - We're not doing things behind closed doors. 00:43:42.120 --> 00:43:45.880 - Which is even more important with a restricted budget. 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:46.840 - Yes. 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.480 - And that also gets to the framing 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:51.320 - you've given here, which is as we're 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:52.680 - having these conversations, I think 00:43:52.680 --> 00:43:55.480 - that one of the ways you might see the transparency is 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:57.400 - that maybe what we are saying is that we 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.560 - want to do more on the transparency front. 00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:03.360 - Maybe that's what we're saying. 00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.480 - And then if so, well, maybe we come up 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.400 - with ideas of how we could accelerate 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.400 - this work on transparency. 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.080 - And so it still is useful to say, look, 00:44:12.080 --> 00:44:14.960 - there's a lot of support around transparency. 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.960 - So if that's the priority, let's push for it. 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.640 - But to your point about the summit, 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:25.640 - that to me also sounds more of a sort of continue in so far as. 00:44:25.640 --> 00:44:30.960 - Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much we're 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.840 - supporting the current land drafts now at all. 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.080 - I mean, I think that they're doing really good work. 00:44:37.080 --> 00:44:39.280 - They disappoint with what they've got. 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.560 - We gave them a chunk of our funds 00:44:42.560 --> 00:44:46.600 - to get started with themselves. 00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:49.480 - Health and Human Services, a couple 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.600 - of things about collaboration, both with Centerstone 00:44:51.600 --> 00:44:54.440 - and the county, and then supporting mental health 00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.880 - services for co-location. 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.680 - And that's another one of those. 00:44:58.680 --> 00:45:03.200 - I have a lot of questions about how much that is currently 00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:05.200 - being worked on in other spaces. 00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:08.040 - I mean, I know that Beacon is working on some co-location 00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:11.200 - in their new building when that gets up and running. 00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:13.440 - And I think that there are some other pieces of that. 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.080 - Could we do more of that? 00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:18.120 - Well, hopefully, Courtney will be there tonight 00:45:18.120 --> 00:45:19.080 - because that was her. 00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:21.160 - She wasn't there at our first discussion. 00:45:21.160 --> 00:45:23.680 - Right. 00:45:23.680 --> 00:45:26.400 - And then equity also scored highly 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:31.480 - to incorporate it as a value without specific investments. 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.600 - There was a specific $200,000 to $400,000. 00:45:37.600 --> 00:45:39.560 - I can't remember how it was framed right now, 00:45:39.560 --> 00:45:44.280 - but that scored below the three, I think. 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:49.920 - So how do we do that? 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.240 - Are we doing that correctly? 00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:53.680 - Do we need to just continue doing it? 00:45:53.680 --> 00:45:57.720 - Do we need to enhance what we're doing, et cetera, et cetera? 00:45:57.720 --> 00:46:01.840 - And then transportation and mobility was all-- 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.840 - all of this was between the three and 3 and 1/2. 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.160 - Improve current safety. 00:46:08.160 --> 00:46:10.360 - I'm sorry to go back to that. 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.000 - I wonder if, as we phrased it, if it isn't actually 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.760 - more of a transparency question than it is an equity question 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:18.760 - per se. 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.720 - Because the ways that we've talked about equity a lot 00:46:21.720 --> 00:46:25.240 - is more about having some way of measuring 00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:27.120 - how we're doing equity. 00:46:27.120 --> 00:46:28.520 - So in all of our decision making, 00:46:28.520 --> 00:46:30.160 - you think about equity and then we 00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:33.120 - can score ourselves on equity and those type of things 00:46:33.120 --> 00:46:35.360 - that would have downstream effects, we would hope, 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.360 - of us actually then putting investments into equity. 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.560 - But that's a good thought there. 00:46:43.560 --> 00:46:45.120 - I don't agree with that. 00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:52.440 - Well, I think that some department has incorporated 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.280 - more just because they understand it or they've 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:55.840 - had more training. 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.200 - And maybe what they do is more obviously related to equity, 00:47:00.200 --> 00:47:06.000 - like CFMD, but I think others really see it 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:06.880 - as a separate thing. 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:11.480 - And if that would be separate, it should not be seen. 00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:13.440 - So I think there's more than transparency there. 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.880 - Exactly, and actually, as you say that too, again, 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.000 - thinking through how useful this is as a document 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.000 - was sent to the office of the mayor, 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.760 - that's a great point of worth saying, look, 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.760 - this is something we want to see. 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.400 - We'd like to talk about how we made that happen. 00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.800 - Why-- where are we-- 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:34.800 - I think it's the Otter there. 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.760 - Wait, what is that? 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.480 - Where is the OK button? 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.160 - It's on the [INAUDIBLE] screen for the other module. 00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:46.200 - It's OK. 00:47:46.200 --> 00:47:52.600 - If someone hit the OK on their Otter, it's [INAUDIBLE] 00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:54.880 - Is it-- it's not this physical device? 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.240 - No, I moved the mouse. 00:47:57.240 --> 00:47:58.200 - It's not on mine, either. 00:47:58.200 --> 00:48:02.720 - Well, we'll work around it. 00:48:02.720 --> 00:48:03.880 - Is Eric in the meeting? 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:04.400 - Yes. 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.280 - And there's another person with an Otter. 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:08.440 - I could remove that. 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.760 - Eric, would you be able to click OK? 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.760 - We're showing a pop-up screen that 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.960 - seems to be related to your Otter. 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.680 - There's also the possibility that he's not in the meeting, 00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:20.640 - that his Otter joined. 00:48:20.640 --> 00:48:21.840 - No, I'm in the meeting. 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.920 - What are you saying? 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.040 - It's auto. 00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:27.000 - Oh, no, it was us. 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.520 - Yeah. 00:48:27.520 --> 00:48:28.440 - Oh, my god. 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.640 - Did we just lose Zoom? 00:48:29.640 --> 00:48:30.360 - No, because it's-- 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.560 - No, you're still there. 00:48:32.560 --> 00:48:36.080 - And my-- so what are you seeing on the screen? 00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:37.080 - I don't mind, Eric. 00:48:37.080 --> 00:48:37.800 - It wasn't you. 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.000 - It was our technical difficulties in the meeting. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:40.880 - OK, thank you. 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:42.000 - Thank you for all your work. 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.520 - He can't see the screen anymore. 00:48:43.520 --> 00:48:47.640 - Just as an FYI to everybody out there online, 00:48:47.640 --> 00:48:49.560 - we can no longer see the big TV. 00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:50.920 - But you can still see us. 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:51.440 - I heard it. 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:52.880 - It made a noise. 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.160 - I'm still-- 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:55.480 - I'm at-- yeah, it's still going. 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:56.520 - I'm still in the meeting. 00:48:56.520 --> 00:48:57.000 - OK. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:57.960 - Yeah, I understand, too. 00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.360 - Oh, there we go. 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:00.640 - Wonderful. 00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:03.120 - I think we do need to move on. 00:49:03.120 --> 00:49:05.120 - I think that transportation mobility is 00:49:05.120 --> 00:49:07.160 - the last one on the letter. 00:49:07.160 --> 00:49:09.200 - So any other-- 00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:12.040 - So we will talk about this tonight. 00:49:12.040 --> 00:49:16.640 - Are there any-- 00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:26.760 - Dave and Asok, do you have any major concerns or advice 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.240 - for tackling this tonight? 00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:31.640 - No concerns. 00:49:31.640 --> 00:49:34.240 - Advice, as I already shared. 00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:36.320 - No, I'm curious to hear what people say. 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:40.400 - I think I'm of the mind that the council really 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.960 - has the most effect in how the budget is 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:49.520 - structured in our requests. 00:49:49.520 --> 00:49:55.600 - If we try to remain a unanimous vote, 00:49:55.600 --> 00:49:58.720 - it's a stronger impact, if we're all willing. 00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:02.280 - And frankly, given that this is-- 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.680 - soon means a year. 00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:07.240 - Maybe we don't get to the Ferris station for another year, 00:50:07.240 --> 00:50:08.720 - or what have you. 00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:12.600 - I think all these priorities were good ones. 00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:15.080 - And they're due. 00:50:15.080 --> 00:50:17.160 - I would be appreciative, though, to hear 00:50:17.160 --> 00:50:20.440 - Jessica's breakdown on things at the beginning, 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:28.000 - just to keep us sober when we're talking about these things. 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.000 - Jessica, I don't know if you're going to talk about this tonight 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.240 - or today, but I'm curious about the ED lid 00:50:34.240 --> 00:50:38.200 - and where it's been going frequently this year. 00:50:38.200 --> 00:50:42.680 - Because we had an objective of putting it in different buckets 00:50:42.680 --> 00:50:44.400 - when we initiated that. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.800 - And so that's part of the discussions. 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:52.200 - Maybe not tonight, but sometime? 00:50:52.200 --> 00:50:55.120 - It was trapped in the budget proposal. 00:50:55.120 --> 00:50:57.560 - Yeah, we have tried to keep it in the budgets and then 00:50:57.560 --> 00:50:59.600 - buckets that you all-- 00:50:59.600 --> 00:51:02.920 - So quality of life, public safety, essential services, 00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.400 - and flying it. 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.120 - OK, and then the other thing is that some of this 00:51:08.120 --> 00:51:10.080 - is discretionary. 00:51:10.080 --> 00:51:13.000 - So when we're talking about maybe cutting funds or shifting 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:17.120 - funds in order to make budget cuts, 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:18.720 - be good to know what you consider, 00:51:18.720 --> 00:51:21.120 - what my colleagues consider to be discretionary 00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:23.080 - or to be essential. 00:51:23.080 --> 00:51:27.320 - Yeah, and that's another thing that everybody 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.040 - will have a different opinion about that. 00:51:30.040 --> 00:51:33.200 - I do want to share that information with you 00:51:33.200 --> 00:51:34.040 - so that you have it. 00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:37.680 - It's so hard to share so much information at one time. 00:51:37.680 --> 00:51:41.880 - But I've got some things to show you today 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.160 - so that you can start to see some general numbers 00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:46.440 - and some ways to slice information. 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:47.080 - It isn't pretty. 00:51:47.080 --> 00:51:51.320 - It's Excel 2013, so there's not a lot you can do. 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.600 - Well, I'm also keeping in mind that we're probably 00:51:53.600 --> 00:51:57.720 - going to be hit by federal budget cuts too. 00:51:57.720 --> 00:52:02.000 - And I'm really concerned about BT, Bloomington Tram. 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.480 - So I don't mean to get there. 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.120 - But just to say that I'm getting very 00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:11.400 - antsy about how we're going to be able to fund things 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.560 - in the next few years. 00:52:13.560 --> 00:52:16.360 - Transit will be very affected by federal cuts. 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.120 - And then most of all of our other federal money 00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:25.760 - goes to the hand department for the CDBG. 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.960 - Let's move-- try to get through our agenda. 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.600 - So let's open it up to public comment 00:52:31.600 --> 00:52:36.640 - on what we've just talked about, the gauging council 00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:40.160 - budget priorities and the structuring our discussion 00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:41.720 - with the mayor's administration. 00:52:41.720 --> 00:52:43.360 - Are there any people in the public 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.160 - who want to comment on that at this point? 00:52:45.160 --> 00:52:52.280 - Yes, Mr. M.G. You want to come to the table 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:53.880 - so you get captured on the-- 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:55.840 - Sure. 00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.560 - Just a couple-- Christopher M.G. from the Greater Bloomington 00:52:58.560 --> 00:53:03.520 - Chamber of Commerce, thank the committee on this. 00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:08.560 - Just one thing to note, I like the cost on the chart 00:53:08.560 --> 00:53:11.160 - with the input from the council members. 00:53:11.160 --> 00:53:15.400 - But put a little X on if it's ongoing or not one time. 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:18.440 - I think the one thing I've learned from the SB 1 00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:22.440 - is that down the line, the cuts get more severe. 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:28.080 - So looking at the budget to limiting your ongoing expenses 00:53:28.080 --> 00:53:29.760 - and your ongoing commitments I think 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.060 - is going to be a big, big deal. 00:53:33.060 --> 00:53:37.000 - And I just want to reiterate Council Member Rallo's statement 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.200 - about the ED-LIT and budget cuts. 00:53:39.200 --> 00:53:43.040 - And we sort of have to have a separate meeting sometime 00:53:43.040 --> 00:53:46.520 - on sort of looking at some hard facts on where we sort of go 00:53:46.520 --> 00:53:48.600 - on that and a strategy moving forward. 00:53:48.600 --> 00:53:51.800 - I know the chamber is looking into where we might kind 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:53.840 - of come across on that. 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:55.560 - But I just want to thank you for your time. 00:53:55.560 --> 00:53:58.200 - And I'll see all of you tonight. 00:53:58.200 --> 00:53:59.800 - Thanks for sharing. 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:00.280 - Thank you. 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.160 - Anybody online care to give a public comment at this time? 00:54:03.160 --> 00:54:08.800 - Don't see any hands raised. 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.760 - So let's turn it over to Comptroller McClellan 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:17.560 - for some reports, maybe some context on SB1. 00:54:17.560 --> 00:54:19.120 - We only have about half an hour left. 00:54:19.120 --> 00:54:21.000 - So I know you have more data than that. 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.440 - But whatever we can get to you. 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.200 - I think talking about SB1 will be the best use 00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:25.680 - of our time. 00:54:25.680 --> 00:54:27.240 - But before I start, I want to let you 00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:30.440 - know that I have an Excel list of all of our fund 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.760 - numbers, and the revenue source, and the authorizing code, 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.640 - and the fund number, and what it can be used for, 00:54:36.640 --> 00:54:38.080 - and the departments that are in it. 00:54:38.080 --> 00:54:40.080 - It was first created by an intern. 00:54:40.080 --> 00:54:41.120 - And then I've checked it. 00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:42.680 - So it says draft on it. 00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:44.160 - So don't take it as gospel yet. 00:54:44.160 --> 00:54:45.600 - I still haven't checked it off. 00:54:45.600 --> 00:54:48.840 - I haven't double checked all the code citations, for one thing. 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:49.800 - But it's pretty good. 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:50.720 - It's a pretty good start. 00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:53.120 - I'll just send that to you. 00:54:53.120 --> 00:54:57.080 - And I also have a debt special, again. 00:54:57.080 --> 00:54:58.900 - It was in the 2024 budget packet. 00:54:58.900 --> 00:55:03.160 - But I've updated it to include the 2024 GO bonds 00:55:03.160 --> 00:55:05.480 - and the Convention Center bonds. 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.120 - So I can just send that to you. 00:55:07.120 --> 00:55:15.720 - And on bonds, a lot of them are paid by property taxes. 00:55:15.720 --> 00:55:17.880 - So that's a separate tax rate. 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.520 - And so that's taken care of. 00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:21.600 - We'll always get a tax rate to cover those. 00:55:21.600 --> 00:55:23.160 - And a lot of them are paid by TIF. 00:55:23.160 --> 00:55:25.200 - So those are always paid out of TIF. 00:55:25.200 --> 00:55:26.800 - Those will be fine. 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.480 - There's the 2022 ED lit bond, the public safety bond. 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.080 - That's one that's in the budget that we have to budget for. 00:55:34.080 --> 00:55:35.800 - And then the Convention Center bonds 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.200 - are kind of their own thing, too. 00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:41.600 - So just bear that in mind when you look at what 00:55:41.600 --> 00:55:43.520 - the debt that is due each year is. 00:55:43.520 --> 00:55:45.960 - I think it's close to $20 million. 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.720 - But that is sort of taken care of by other mechanisms. 00:55:49.720 --> 00:55:51.880 - So it's not affected by SB1 changes? 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:54.720 - And it won't be affected by SB1 changes. 00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:58.600 - Is that just civil city, or is that utilities as well? 00:55:58.600 --> 00:56:00.040 - Not just civil city. 00:56:00.040 --> 00:56:01.600 - Civil city, right. 00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:02.240 - Yeah. 00:56:02.240 --> 00:56:07.840 - Utilities debt has to be funded by-- it is huge. 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.520 - And it has to be funded by their rate. 00:56:09.520 --> 00:56:12.280 - So every time they have a rate study, yes. 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.760 - So that should be also taken care of with that, too. 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.280 - All right. 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.000 - Those are the documents I prepared for you. 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:26.480 - I'm going to go into kind of another SB1 overview. 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:31.480 - I'm not Eric Reedy, but I'll do my best. 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.080 - I'm going to share my screen. 00:56:34.080 --> 00:56:34.880 - Let's see here. 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.080 - It's very slow. 00:56:37.080 --> 00:56:37.960 - Four different times. 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:39.880 - Anything. 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.240 - Share, share, share, share, share. 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:43.720 - You made it out of me. 00:56:43.720 --> 00:56:44.440 - Thank you. 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.560 - [LAUGHS] 00:56:46.560 --> 00:56:48.240 - And then just pick the right screen. 00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:49.320 - I know they're off screen. 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:49.800 - Yeah. 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:51.280 - [LAUGHS] 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:59.200 - I think that's big enough. 00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:00.160 - All right. 00:57:00.160 --> 00:57:04.360 - I'm going to bring my laptop up here, but you didn't change. 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.040 - So I'm going to-- 00:57:08.040 --> 00:57:10.680 - I'm going to talk about Lit with you, 00:57:10.680 --> 00:57:20.280 - but the beginning of my shivu is an overview of what 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.400 - is happening for taxpayers. 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.600 - What's happening, they're getting different homestead 00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:25.640 - credit deductions. 00:57:25.640 --> 00:57:28.640 - They're getting more deductions. 00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:32.360 - '65 and over is getting more of a deduction. 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.480 - All of these are increasing. 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:38.920 - So people who are in the 1% cap to homestead properties, 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.680 - they live in their home, they'll start 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:43.120 - seeing property tax savings. 00:57:43.120 --> 00:57:50.000 - More about that. 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:51.720 - I didn't create these charts. 00:57:51.720 --> 00:57:54.640 - I screenshotted these from one of the presentations 00:57:54.640 --> 00:58:00.040 - that I attended just for my own notes and just for myself. 00:58:00.040 --> 00:58:03.480 - And I think that those are on the ones that got sent out 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.160 - related to the panel last week. 00:58:05.160 --> 00:58:06.240 - Oh, they were? 00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:07.640 - I just think so. 00:58:07.640 --> 00:58:09.520 - They shouldn't have been because I didn't use it. 00:58:09.520 --> 00:58:12.160 - This is my own private Word document that I have. 00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:13.320 - Oh, I think the first two. 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.320 - Because you said you screenshotted those. 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.520 - From a different presentation that was not real. 00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:20.520 - Yeah, and they still haven't looked that interesting. 00:58:20.520 --> 00:58:24.920 - Yeah, this is from a different municipal advisor. 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.920 - 2% personal, 2% there's different standard deductions. 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.520 - You don't really need to worry about this, OK? 00:58:33.520 --> 00:58:35.720 - You have savings for taxpayers. 00:58:35.720 --> 00:58:38.360 - This is great for taxpayers. 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.720 - And here's my notes to myself. 00:58:40.720 --> 00:58:45.000 - Legislative service agencies didn't have an update yet 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:46.920 - as of April 14. 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.600 - Business, personal, and property. 00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:51.280 - All of these things Reedy has looked at and said 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.160 - it's not going to affect us that much, 00:58:54.160 --> 00:58:59.600 - except we will start losing more tax revenue to our cap. 00:58:59.600 --> 00:59:01.760 - Reedy is doing a parcel by parcel analysis 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.400 - of how all of those deductions is 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:07.020 - going to affect our property tax and affect our cap. 00:59:07.020 --> 00:59:11.560 - We're going to find out how much tax revenue we're going to lose. 00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:12.560 - When? 00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:13.560 - Yes. 00:59:13.560 --> 00:59:14.560 - All right. 00:59:14.560 --> 00:59:15.560 - Same question, I think. 00:59:15.560 --> 00:59:16.560 - When? 00:59:16.560 --> 00:59:17.560 - When? 00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:18.560 - Assuming now, we will know. 00:59:18.560 --> 00:59:20.760 - I don't know exactly when, but as soon as possible. 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:21.760 - What does that mean? 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:22.760 - May, you think? 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:23.760 - Yeah. 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.760 - Within May. 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:25.760 - Okay. 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:26.760 - Definitely between May. 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:27.760 - Okay. 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:28.760 - Good. 00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:29.760 - Yeah. 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:35.400 - So there are changes coming to local income tax, and the first thing I think you should 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:40.280 - know is that this is going to be beginning in 2028. 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.320 - So all of our memo buckets for income tax are going to stay the same. 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.520 - We have public safety lit, ED lit, and certified shares. 00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:56.840 - But in 2027, the city council, in 2027, the city council is going to have to vote on the 00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:59.160 - city municipal lit rate. 00:59:59.160 --> 01:00:08.880 - Your max city rate is 1.2%, and all the buckets go away. 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:15.560 - You just get 1.2% of the taxable income in the municipal boundaries of Bloomington. 01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:23.640 - So in with the adjusted gross income of people who live in Bloomington, that's the base for 01:00:23.640 --> 01:00:25.760 - that 1.2%. 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:32.480 - And the trend, the trend in Indiana is that people with more money live out on land and 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:38.880 - the county and unincorporated areas, and people that make a little bit less tend to live on 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.360 - the smaller parcels and the slightly smaller older houses in the city. 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:47.640 - And so we're assuming that we're going to see a drop in our lit because our base is 01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:50.080 - going to be much smaller. 01:00:50.080 --> 01:00:53.280 - So the maximum lit will be 1.2%? 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:54.280 - Yes. 01:00:54.280 --> 01:01:02.280 - What is our, so currently, currently PS lit is? 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:07.600 - Can I switch my screen to another really cool spreadsheet that I made that I think will answer 01:01:07.600 --> 01:01:08.600 - all of your questions? 01:01:08.600 --> 01:01:09.600 - I love your excistions. 01:01:09.600 --> 01:01:10.600 - Alright, stop, share. 01:01:10.600 --> 01:01:11.600 - I'm going to share, share this. 01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:12.600 - Share. 01:01:12.600 --> 01:01:29.760 - Alright, don't, yeah, don't worry about this, can we make the part that we have to worry 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.760 - about bigger? 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:31.760 - Yeah. 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:32.760 - Bigger. 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:33.760 - Bigger. 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:50.940 - Alright, good. 01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:56.400 - So the current is 2.14%. 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:58.320 - And we're in capped at 1.2%? 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:02.360 - Oh, but some of that isn't ours, right, correction, rehab, so. 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.640 - Okay, so we're counting what I've missed. 01:02:05.640 --> 01:02:06.640 - Okay. 01:02:06.640 --> 01:02:13.600 - Currently, currently on, wait, let's talk about on the 8, on the adjusted gross income 01:02:13.600 --> 01:02:22.400 - of the whole county, and the adjusted gross income of the whole county is 4.4 billion. 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:30.560 - And so, 0.948% of 4.4 billion, that's the total collections for certified shares. 01:02:30.560 --> 01:02:35.760 - So for all these different buckets and all these different rates, it's taking from that 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.760 - number. 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:42.480 - And then these are divided, this is divided by property, like your share, property tax 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:47.780 - levy, others are, a couple others are population, most of them are property tax levy. 01:02:47.780 --> 01:02:52.160 - So then these total amounts are distributed out to the other units based on property tax 01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:54.840 - levy or population, yes. 01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:03.800 - So the 0.25% public safety lit is on the whole county, not just on the city of Bloomington. 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:08.480 - And so then that money that gets collected, some of it, well, actually, most of it goes 01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:09.480 - to dispatch. 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:10.480 - So dispatch is county-wide. 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:11.480 - Yeah. 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:21.040 - Some of it's dispatch, it goes to dispatch, some goes to the county, city, I can't remember 01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:23.160 - if Alexville gets any, yes. 01:03:23.160 --> 01:03:24.160 - Okay. 01:03:24.160 --> 01:03:27.000 - All these are, I don't know, broken out to the different units. 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:32.520 - So what is the 1.2% that we're allowed is for the city? 01:03:32.520 --> 01:03:33.520 - Yes. 01:03:33.520 --> 01:03:37.800 - And so what's going to, so this is current, what's going to happen down here is that these 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:42.200 - are all the different rates that are allowed county-wide, but we just did municipal rate 01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:44.720 - 1.2%. 01:03:44.720 --> 01:03:54.480 - And so what I did here is I asked, I said, what if our AGI is only three billion? 01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:55.920 - That's how much we're going to raise. 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.280 - This is how much we're getting now. 01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:03.160 - That's how much three billion we'll raise if our AGI goes down to, we need, we need at 01:04:03.160 --> 01:04:07.680 - least 3.3 billion AGI to get the same amount of width. 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:12.880 - And this is a formula, these are all connected so we can play around with these numbers and 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:18.000 - change the numbers and see how much we're going to get. 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:24.360 - But right now that, that 3 billion for wages within the city limits is just an estimate? 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:25.360 - Total estimate. 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:30.040 - How do we actually find that out or is that something that we can really only find out 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:31.040 - after the fact? 01:04:31.040 --> 01:04:33.800 - Because people like change jobs in the middle of the year. 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:34.800 - Exactly. 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.840 - The DLGF, the DLGF has until 2027 to figure that out. 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.880 - They do not know, they've tested, they're testing it in Hamilton County first. 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:49.240 - But property tax, like what we are going to actually get, say in 2026 of property tax 01:04:49.240 --> 01:04:54.680 - money is already going to change, right? 01:04:54.680 --> 01:04:59.040 - So I read we're going to be down as a county 10 million, approximately, how much of that 01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:00.040 - is you? 01:05:00.040 --> 01:05:05.240 - We're going to be down as a county 37, oh, just next to the other point. 01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:06.240 - I don't know. 01:05:06.240 --> 01:05:10.400 - And then it gets incrementally worse. 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.100 - I don't know how much of that. 01:05:12.100 --> 01:05:13.100 - Yeah. 01:05:13.100 --> 01:05:18.960 - So Jessica, currently we have 1.888%. 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:28.320 - So we add the certified shares, public safety and PS and economic development rates to get 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:29.720 - what our current rate is. 01:05:29.720 --> 01:05:30.720 - Is that correct? 01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:35.440 - Because we, even though we share that with the county, we only get the portion now that's 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.560 - on the county residence, county residence. 01:05:40.560 --> 01:05:44.960 - Our current rate, do I have that somewhere here, right? 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.760 - I'm sharing my screen with them. 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.440 - So wouldn't it make sense that it's those three added together? 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:54.120 - Our city rate, right. 01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:55.120 - It's something like that. 01:05:55.120 --> 01:05:57.240 - It's quite a bit less. 01:05:57.240 --> 01:06:00.280 - It's a higher rate, but it's going to be on a smaller base. 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:04.280 - It's going to be on a smaller gross income, adjusted gross income. 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:14.920 - No, but currently we get 0.948 plus 0.25 plus 0.69, which is 1.888, and we're going to have 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:15.920 - to cut back to 1.2. 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.920 - Oh, I see what you're saying. 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:22.200 - Is that correct? 01:06:22.200 --> 01:06:29.000 - No, well, our actual distributions is what we need to look at. 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:37.880 - That needs to be like a separate calculation, so it's like, we don't get that this creates 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:38.880 - that full amount. 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.760 - Yeah, so we're actually getting a different rate in the city, and I have that somewhere. 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:48.640 - It's all going to be a moot point in a couple of years. 01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:53.500 - We've got to figure out how much money we need and what our AGI is, and then what kind 01:06:53.500 --> 01:06:56.520 - of rate we need to pass in 2027. 01:06:56.520 --> 01:07:01.800 - But for the year 2026, we're just really screwed because our lit's going to stay the same, 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.520 - but we're going to have less property tax revenue. 01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:10.800 - Our lit's going to stay the same, which is good because we're not going to lose any lit. 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:11.800 - We shouldn't lose any lit next year. 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:12.800 - So we're losing property taxes. 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:13.800 - We're going to lose a little bit of property tax. 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:17.800 - We're going to lose a little bit of property tax. 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:18.800 - Yes? 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:19.800 - I have a question. 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:23.360 - Not really my place, but I hear someone in the audience. 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.480 - When you said they need to pass the rate in 2027, is that something that they do at the 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.680 - beginning of the year, or did they do it as part of the budget process? 01:07:30.680 --> 01:07:32.840 - When does that have to happen, or do you know yet? 01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:34.640 - I don't know yet. 01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:38.720 - It hasn't been told, they haven't been talking about it like it's part of the budget process. 01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:43.240 - I think it's definitely going to be a separate process, but I don't know yet. 01:07:43.240 --> 01:07:44.240 - Okay. 01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:48.880 - But yeah, we should plan for them to have some meetings to do that before the budget 01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:49.880 - process. 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:54.040 - We should plan for them to do that before the budget process so that we know how much 01:07:54.040 --> 01:07:58.000 - revenue we're going to get, and that's all, you know, for budgeting. 01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.000 - Yeah. 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:00.000 - Yeah. 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:09.080 - So, that's going to be the last year, if that's not saying, yeah. 01:08:09.080 --> 01:08:16.560 - Okay, this, all this fun stuff over here, it says taxpayer impact based on a taxpayer 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:17.560 - household. 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:26.440 - And this is like, if you, if your household makes $150,000, come all the way down here 01:08:26.440 --> 01:08:36.320 - and see how much, oh my gosh, income tax that household will be paying compared to this 01:08:36.320 --> 01:08:46.480 - is current 3, 3,200 and this would be just at the full, full maximum rate, 43.50. 01:08:46.480 --> 01:08:52.800 - But like the full maximum rate, then there's like nowhere to go after that. 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.800 - Right. 01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:54.800 - Right. 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:56.120 - Then you're really capped. 01:08:56.120 --> 01:08:57.120 - Yeah. 01:08:57.120 --> 01:09:01.560 - So, if you have some additional services that you need, like something else comes online 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.760 - that you want to find revenue for, you know, like the county is doing the jail, they were 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:13.000 - able to use the special jail rates, the city, there's something the city really needs to 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:18.000 - do, or you just shift around what you're already using your revenues for. 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.840 - We can bond with property tax rates, but then of course we need to budget for those payments 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:25.880 - and the interest on bond. 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:26.880 - Yeah. 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:33.080 - I'll go, I'm going to stop share this and go back to that other document to see if there's 01:09:33.080 --> 01:09:49.800 - anything else that we should talk about share this document, share, all right, all right. 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.560 - You are the, you have the power over that lit rate. 01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:57.320 - There's no local income tax council, just the city council will vote on your municipal rate. 01:09:57.320 --> 01:10:00.160 - It's the max is 1.2%. 01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:01.160 - That's starting next year. 01:10:01.160 --> 01:10:06.140 - But no, that's what's started, but you have to vote on in 2027 effective 2028. 01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:08.840 - So as far as PS lit, we'll still have it next year. 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.040 - Yes, we'll still have it. 01:10:10.040 --> 01:10:16.000 - And we'll still have it in 2027, we'll still have it in 2027 too, but both of those years, 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:21.240 - 26 and 27, we're going to have reduced property tax revenue without increased revenue from 01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:22.240 - any other place. 01:10:22.240 --> 01:10:23.240 - Correct. 01:10:23.240 --> 01:10:24.240 - That is correct. 01:10:24.240 --> 01:10:25.240 - You've got it. 01:10:25.240 --> 01:10:32.440 - All right, maximum levy growth quotient was capped again at 4%, even though it was estimated 01:10:32.440 --> 01:10:36.740 - to be a 5% or 6% growth about the cap. 01:10:36.740 --> 01:10:43.720 - So in real numbers, our 2024 property tax levy was $37.2 million and 4% growth will 01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:48.440 - give us $38.6 million, not very much. 01:10:48.440 --> 01:10:49.440 - And then- 01:10:49.440 --> 01:10:51.440 - So that's capped for next year. 01:10:51.440 --> 01:10:52.440 - Yes. 01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:55.640 - So this has been, yeah, this is the cap for next year. 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:58.920 - This has been status quo for the last three years. 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:04.280 - The legislature has capped property tax growth, even though they have this formula that they 01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:10.280 - all agreed on that we're just supposed to take the natural growth of your county and 01:11:10.280 --> 01:11:12.240 - apply it to your growth and property taxes. 01:11:12.240 --> 01:11:15.040 - We don't get that anymore. 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:21.200 - And then another thing that is going to be a big deal for cities and counties is there 01:11:21.200 --> 01:11:27.960 - is another step added to our budget hearings. 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:32.640 - If you want the property tax rate in the levy, well, if you want the property tax rate to 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:37.520 - increase, you have to hold a special hearing that's going to increase over next year. 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:41.960 - You have to hold a special hearing separate from your budget hearing 15 days before your 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:47.600 - budget hearing to approve raising that rate. 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:54.520 - So the thing that's currently capped at 4% will be capped at 0% unless you do this extra 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:55.520 - step. 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:56.520 - No. 01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:13.280 - We're going to have our property taxes capped at $38 million, and your property tax rate 01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:19.360 - is based on your property taxes, the $38 million, your AV, which is like $5 billion for us, 01:12:19.360 --> 01:12:20.960 - assessed 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:21.960 - value. 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:22.960 - Thank you. 01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:23.960 - And that gives you your rate. 01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:28.280 - So when your AV changes, your rate also changes. 01:12:28.280 --> 01:12:39.280 - So to raise the $38 million that you need, you have to apply a rate to your assessed 01:12:39.280 --> 01:12:40.280 - value. 01:12:40.280 --> 01:12:45.840 - If you ever want to raise that rate to get the property taxes that you need to get anyway 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:51.960 - that you are approved to get, you have to have a preliminary public hearing before the 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.080 - budget hearing to do that. 01:12:55.080 --> 01:12:57.960 - Whereas before we could just do that at the budget hearing? 01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:58.960 - Yeah. 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:00.840 - That was not a separate step. 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:03.240 - It just happened as a result of your budget hearing. 01:13:03.240 --> 01:13:07.880 - Your budget hearing was like, that was a chance for taxpayers to come and say, we don't like 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:13.320 - this budget because it raises our tax rate, now they're giving an additional sort of transparency 01:13:13.320 --> 01:13:14.640 - around that rate. 01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:17.880 - And that's the thing where last year, the mayor was like, I don't want to raise the 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:18.880 - rate. 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:22.360 - We're going to make our budget meet the same rate that we're at right now based on what 01:13:22.360 --> 01:13:23.360 - our assessed value was. 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:24.360 - Am I remembering that right? 01:13:24.360 --> 01:13:25.360 - Yeah, you are. 01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:26.360 - Yeah, definitely. 01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:29.880 - Last year, our rate was going to drop because our assessed value improved, and so we got 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:36.960 - the GO bond and that adds to our rate and that kept our rate at the same level. 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:43.680 - So if your assessed value doesn't grow and it drops, your rate is going to go up. 01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:53.520 - So our assessed value tends to keep on rising. 01:13:53.520 --> 01:14:00.360 - So just to cut to the chase, it looks like in 2026, we're going to be short millions 01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:03.360 - of dollars. 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:09.000 - Are you... flush that out for me, because of property taxes, I just want to make sure 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:10.000 - that you are... 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:17.200 - The implications of SB1 on property taxes, about corresponding ability to raise funds 01:14:17.200 --> 01:14:18.200 - through LID. 01:14:18.200 --> 01:14:19.200 - Right. 01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:20.200 - At least we were to... 01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:21.200 - Right. 01:14:21.200 --> 01:14:22.200 - Act quickly or something. 01:14:22.200 --> 01:14:23.200 - Right. 01:14:23.200 --> 01:14:26.640 - But are there any other means to raise revenue? 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:27.640 - Working meters? 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:28.640 - Well, that... 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:29.640 - I don't want to do that either. 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:30.640 - No, nobody wants... 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:34.600 - It's only for people. 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:35.600 - You know, there is a... 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:41.520 - Some of you may know that Parks is doing a capital or a master plan study, and part of 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:46.480 - that is to find true cost of all of their programs and services, and really trying to 01:14:46.480 --> 01:14:52.360 - decide what things do we want to offer at a low cost, like teaching kids to swim. 01:14:52.360 --> 01:14:53.720 - That's just great for our population. 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.120 - We want kids to know how to swim. 01:14:57.120 --> 01:15:02.880 - Giving adult semi-professional swimmers swim classes is something they should pay fully 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:03.880 - for. 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:04.880 - We shouldn't subsidize that. 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:09.440 - There's that balance between what are we providing that's a public good, and what are we providing 01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:10.440 - that's like... 01:15:10.440 --> 01:15:11.440 - It's great. 01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:12.440 - People should just... 01:15:12.440 --> 01:15:17.160 - So, you would do it at the charge of fee, or would you just do... 01:15:17.160 --> 01:15:18.160 - No. 01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:19.160 - Yeah. 01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:24.520 - But also, outside of parking, there's also, to your example, we could increase the cost 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:30.200 - of renting out the pool, and there's lots of levers like that that we have as well. 01:15:30.200 --> 01:15:31.200 - Exactly. 01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:34.120 - It costs like $30 right now to rent a pool with it. 01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:35.120 - You're absolutely right. 01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:36.120 - Right. 01:15:36.120 --> 01:15:37.120 - So, that's a huge... 01:15:37.120 --> 01:15:43.240 - That's not a controller-level task, but that is something that we can pass on to departments. 01:15:43.240 --> 01:15:48.520 - If we want to do that, I think the administration is going to say, "Okay, departments, look 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:52.840 - at your costs, and let's really do a cost analysis of what these programs really cost." 01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:58.000 - The consultant that the parks department is working with for their master planning is 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.480 - really awesome with that. 01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:02.480 - Yeah. 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:09.520 - So, yeah, there are other ways to raise revenue are using your services and partnering with 01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:17.400 - other organizations that do the same work, and so kind of like sharing the load and trying 01:16:17.400 --> 01:16:21.560 - not duplicating efforts, kind of taking a hard look at your budget and trying to decide 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.380 - which, you know, you guys talk about that all the time. 01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:29.920 - I know you're well-nourished and trying to figure out where we are doing things in the 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.760 - budget, doing things other people are already doing. 01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:34.760 - Okay. 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:44.480 - But in theory, hold on, in theory for 2026 though, like assuming our assessed value increases, 01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:49.720 - then we could also increase our percentage, and then that, would that, like couldn't we 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:50.720 - do that? 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:55.560 - Because like last year, we can't, because we're probably not allowed to. 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.240 - We can't, this is, we can't raise more than this. 01:16:58.240 --> 01:16:59.240 - Okay. 01:16:59.240 --> 01:17:02.800 - This is how much property childs we can get, and that's why we do things like we got a 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:03.800 - bond. 01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:04.800 - Okay. 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:09.400 - Problem number 117 in this bill is that bonds. 01:17:09.400 --> 01:17:10.400 - Right. 01:17:10.400 --> 01:17:11.400 - Right. 01:17:11.400 --> 01:17:18.440 - This doesn't have any pretty pictures, so let me try, this is from the Reedy, this is 01:17:18.440 --> 01:17:21.160 - from the Reedy outline. 01:17:21.160 --> 01:17:24.360 - Before you go on, I'm sorry, I wanted to make sure I understood from the previous page. 01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:30.840 - So it's the maximum levy for 2026, $38,693, that's the levy. 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:31.840 - Yes. 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:33.080 - They haven't given that to me yet. 01:17:33.080 --> 01:17:37.680 - That's not their official number, but that's basically what the number will be. 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:39.980 - All right. 01:17:39.980 --> 01:17:45.620 - So last year, we, the only way to raise your rate and get a little bit more property taxes 01:17:45.620 --> 01:17:50.800 - is to get a GO bond, because that's a property tax bond. 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:55.880 - You can have your maximum levy and get some bonds and stabilize your rate. 01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:05.480 - Now all new GO bonds issued after May 1st, after tomorrow of this year, for a short term, 01:18:05.480 --> 01:18:09.840 - five years or less, are subject to a one-year cool-off period. 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:13.600 - That applies to us. 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:20.360 - So we, because we got a bond in 2024, so it is subject to a one-year cool-off period before 01:18:20.360 --> 01:18:23.280 - we get another GO, short-term GO bond. 01:18:23.280 --> 01:18:24.520 - So we couldn't get one in 2025. 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:25.520 - Correct. 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:28.520 - We have to wake up 2026 to get another. 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:29.520 - Correct. 01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:35.000 - The, and this applies to only, bonds aren't subject to referendum. 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:40.160 - So bonds that aren't subject to referendum are your small bonds, your big bonds, they're 01:18:40.160 --> 01:18:45.360 - already subject to referendum, so they have all kinds of other controls at home. 01:18:45.360 --> 01:18:47.280 - They're the big project bonds. 01:18:47.280 --> 01:18:48.280 - Okay. 01:18:48.280 --> 01:18:58.680 - So let's say cool-off, let's see, control projects, threshold, something about the thresholds. 01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.440 - I just copied this for my son. 01:19:01.440 --> 01:19:06.080 - Wait, so schools cannot place project referenda on ballot the same year? 01:19:06.080 --> 01:19:07.080 - Oh yeah. 01:19:07.080 --> 01:19:11.000 - Projects expire, does that mean that schools are going to have a gap year? 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:14.600 - Oh my god. 01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:22.520 - All right, so expect people to run their government and their schools. 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:27.240 - Well, I mean, they seriously can't, I mean, that means that you have to like fire and hire 01:19:27.240 --> 01:19:28.240 - teachers every two years. 01:19:28.240 --> 01:19:29.240 - Like that's... 01:19:29.240 --> 01:19:32.240 - I think I'm basically done with this. 01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:39.160 - I can clean this up for tonight, um, is there anything that... 01:19:39.160 --> 01:19:49.520 - So for the GEO bonds, that's a way to exceed the maximum property tax rate, trying to get 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:50.520 - my terms correct. 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:56.040 - What are you trying to say, that's a way to get like... 01:19:56.040 --> 01:20:00.440 - You said that's a way for us to get more money, we can exceed a certain maximum, what is that 01:20:00.440 --> 01:20:03.000 - maximum that we would be exceeding? 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:04.000 - Our maximum levy. 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:08.120 - We can get a little bit more property taxes than our maximum levy. 01:20:08.120 --> 01:20:11.800 - But we're not going to be able to do that this year. 01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:12.800 - Correct. 01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:18.800 - And then our rate will go down, and the next year we will want our rate to go up, and we'll 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:19.800 - have to do... 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:20.800 - But we won't be able to because we're going to be... 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.800 - The special public hearing, we have to do the special public hearing. 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.960 - But that happens every year? 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:27.960 - Every year. 01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.800 - Yeah, in October, by that October 7th date. 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:31.800 - Yes, you're right. 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:32.800 - Yes. 01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:33.800 - If we want to increase. 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:34.800 - Yes. 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:37.240 - Which we'll end up having to do. 01:20:37.240 --> 01:20:38.240 - Yes. 01:20:38.240 --> 01:20:39.240 - Because... 01:20:39.240 --> 01:20:46.000 - I think that you should just put it on the calendar as a housekeeping item, and yeah, 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:50.840 - just always be prepared to raise the rate. 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:55.240 - Will you help us all remember that when we're setting up the calendar in November and December 01:20:55.240 --> 01:20:56.240 - for next year? 01:20:56.240 --> 01:21:04.080 - My people in this room will have a very large amount into that calendar, so this is my distributing 01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:08.980 - that memory item to everybody in this room. 01:21:08.980 --> 01:21:09.980 - You're welcome. 01:21:09.980 --> 01:21:10.980 - All right. 01:21:10.980 --> 01:21:19.520 - We only have five minutes left, so I'm going to stop here. 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:25.760 - Yes, we need to have time for public comment as well. 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:26.760 - Thank you. 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:27.760 - You're welcome. 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:28.760 - Thank you for that crash course. 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.040 - Thank you for the crummy news. 01:21:31.040 --> 01:21:40.300 - It just helps to hear it a lot, and yeah, there's a lot more information, very complicated. 01:21:40.300 --> 01:21:49.320 - Is there any public comment on the SB1 crash course that we just had? 01:21:49.320 --> 01:22:02.720 - I do not see anybody. 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:06.640 - So back to the committee. 01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:14.200 - Before we adjourn, are there other questions for Jessica at this point? 01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:19.800 - So you'll do a similar presentation tonight, maybe. 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:20.800 - I can do that. 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:21.800 - I feel like... 01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:27.600 - Maybe it was less data on the website. 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.160 - That's very doable. 01:22:30.160 --> 01:22:37.560 - So we're going to talk about LIT, we're going to talk about maximum levy growth compulsion. 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:42.920 - I think it's most important to talk about 2026, because that's what we're specifically 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:48.320 - talking about right now, is going like, okay, we don't know the exact numbers for what's 01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:53.240 - going to happen in 2026, but that concept that we're going to lose property tax revenue 01:22:53.240 --> 01:23:02.800 - and we're not going to have a way to get that back next year. 01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:08.440 - Is there any ballpark of how much of a hit we would take with property tax? 01:23:08.440 --> 01:23:09.440 - I'm trying to remember that. 01:23:09.440 --> 01:23:15.640 - Yeah, I have a ballpark from before it was passed, and I don't think that those numbers 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:18.600 - are changed too much, so I can give a ballpark. 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:19.600 - I don't have enough. 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:20.600 - Yeah. 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.320 - I mean, if you're comfortable, it's giving it something close to what you said. 01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:24.320 - Yeah. 01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:25.320 - Yeah. 01:23:25.320 --> 01:23:28.320 - I'm comfortable giving it as a ballpark. 01:23:28.320 --> 01:23:33.920 - The county, I forwarded something that the county sent us that they have some documentation 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:34.920 - about the big number. 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:39.680 - That's where you got the 10 million, I don't know if they have them. 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:48.660 - And I know that there's other sites that have documented what the schools are going to lose. 01:23:48.660 --> 01:23:58.320 - So those two things can get put together to at least narrow down what city, county, library 01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:06.520 - combined or not and then we're a subset of that. 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:07.520 - Yeah. 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:14.560 - I can't help but think we're going through a time of austerity when you think about triage 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:15.560 - in some ways. 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:20.100 - Well, I'm really concerned about our wait times, our salaries because we increased salaries 01:24:20.100 --> 01:24:23.840 - last year, assuming that we were going to continue that and be able to continue that 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.600 - because of our projected property taxes. 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:31.960 - I have a meeting at 3.30 and I'll stay until 3.30, but I'm going to have to run out here 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:32.960 - right at 3.30. 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:33.960 - Yeah. 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:34.960 - I agree. 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:35.960 - Yes, Lisa? 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:49.520 - Can you point me to maybe a site that explains how the AGI would be estimated? 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:50.520 - Okay. 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.600 - Do you have any information or no information? 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:54.600 - Okay. 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:55.600 - I don't. 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:59.720 - I don't have any, like, googling, you know, some state agencies and seeing if they have 01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:04.120 - anything out there about, like, state budget agency or DLGF. 01:25:04.120 --> 01:25:08.720 - I think those would be the two that have to do it because those are the two that deal 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:09.720 - with it now. 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:10.720 - Yeah. 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:11.720 - Right. 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:12.720 - Yeah. 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:13.720 - Okay. 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:14.720 - Yeah. 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:15.720 - I don't know. 01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:16.720 - I haven't heard anything. 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:17.720 - All right. 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:18.720 - Thank you, Jessica. 01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:19.720 - Thank you. 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:20.720 - Thank you all. 01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:21.720 - Our next meeting is when? 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:22.720 - 14th? 01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:23.720 - Sounds right. 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:24.720 - Two weeks. 01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:33.480 - It's odd timing that we're having a meeting on the 14th and that same evening we have 01:25:33.480 --> 01:25:35.280 - a discussion with the mayor. 01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:44.040 - It seems it would be more helpful to have a meeting the week before, or just next week. 01:25:44.040 --> 01:25:47.160 - I have that held on my calendar for the 7th. 01:25:47.160 --> 01:25:53.440 - Is that feasible for the Office of Committee Members? 01:25:53.440 --> 01:25:54.440 - I can do it. 01:25:54.440 --> 01:25:58.440 - I mean, that's fine. 01:25:58.440 --> 01:26:06.440 - I think that makes more sense even though we'll have a meeting that evening too, but it won't 01:26:06.440 --> 01:26:07.440 - be. 01:26:07.440 --> 01:26:15.700 - At least this way we can make some plans for the meeting with the mayor. 01:26:15.700 --> 01:26:16.700 - Some strategies. 01:26:16.700 --> 01:26:21.520 - So you anticipate 2 to 3.30 again on the 7th? 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.760 - What's the availability with the 7th? 01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:29.280 - We can move that to the 8th. 01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:34.100 - Yeah, we have a meeting on the 7th. 01:26:34.100 --> 01:26:35.600 - Thank you for your flexibility. 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.600 - 2 to 3.30? 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:40.400 - And they're welcoming it right now. 01:26:40.400 --> 01:26:41.400 - Thank you. 01:26:41.400 --> 01:26:43.200 - Lisa doesn't want to be available on that. 01:26:43.200 --> 01:26:46.000 - And so then we're canceling the meeting on the 14th? 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:47.000 - Yeah. 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:50.920 - But we're still keeping the meeting on the 28th? 01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:51.920 - I think so. 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:58.480 - I'm just trying to clear up on my studio. 01:26:58.480 --> 01:27:05.520 - So Sophia, I assume that you'll get that invitation sent out pretty soon, so I don't need to... 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:10.600 - I think there should maybe be a vote to cancel? 01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:11.600 - No? 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:15.000 - I always err on the side of caution. 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:16.000 - I don't know. 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.000 - What, Lisa? 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.580 - As a committee, do we need to decide? 01:27:20.580 --> 01:27:21.580 - I would cancel it. 01:27:21.580 --> 01:27:22.580 - Great. 01:27:22.580 --> 01:27:26.560 - I move to cancel the meeting on... 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:34.480 - I move to reschedule the meeting from May 14th from 2 to 3.30 to May 7th from 2 to 3.30. 01:27:34.480 --> 01:27:35.480 - Okay. 01:27:35.480 --> 01:27:39.160 - All those in favor, say aye. 01:27:39.160 --> 01:27:40.160 - Aye. 01:27:40.160 --> 01:27:41.160 - Aye. 01:27:41.160 --> 01:27:42.160 - Any opposed? 01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:43.160 - All right. 01:27:43.160 --> 01:27:44.160 - We will do that. 01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:45.160 - Thank you. 01:27:45.160 --> 01:27:48.080 - I appreciate you willing to meet with us November. 01:27:48.080 --> 01:27:49.080 - Sure. 01:27:49.080 --> 01:27:55.040 - And it should be a good discussion tonight that we have like, you know, a hundred different 01:27:55.040 --> 01:27:56.040 - things to consider. 01:27:56.040 --> 01:27:59.400 - It'll be interesting, at least. 01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:03.280 - It's depressing, actually, and it's a thing that's happening. 01:28:03.280 --> 01:28:04.280 - All right. 01:28:04.280 --> 01:28:04.720 - We are adjourned.