WEBVTT 00:00:00.354 --> 00:00:06.592 - to all city employees. And what do you do about people who work in utilities plants, right? Or like 00:00:06.592 --> 00:00:13.204 - places where the value of a free parking space is the same as the value of a free parking space downtown. 00:00:13.204 --> 00:00:19.816 - So that does add some complicating factors. I'm not saying a straight up cash out is the right structure. 00:00:19.816 --> 00:00:26.054 - And what was settled on was something like what exists now, some kind of dollar benefit. I think it 00:00:26.054 --> 00:00:30.046 - changed once or twice. Like there was a slight iteration on the 00:00:30.530 --> 00:00:38.582 - the policy design. So equity is kind of the central purpose. I would characterize it as a TDM policy 00:00:38.582 --> 00:00:46.635 - of sorts, but I don't know, probably any HR benefit, like healthcare. I don't know, there's lots of, 00:00:46.635 --> 00:00:54.687 - I guess, I don't have an opinion about where to live, respectfully. I mean, but that's super helpful 00:00:54.687 --> 00:00:59.550 - because if it is that, and it's not about changing behavior, 00:00:59.714 --> 00:01:06.888 - that makes a lot of things work. Like that already is a huge amount of clarity. And other kinds of HR 00:01:06.888 --> 00:01:14.132 - benefits, for example, quitting smoking or wellness, those have direct impacts on our health insurance 00:01:14.132 --> 00:01:21.446 - rate. And so it's a perfect day to live in HR because HR has an interest in keeping our pool as healthy 00:01:21.446 --> 00:01:28.549 - as possible for all kinds of reasons. And also costs. So we look at what's the goal and who's in the 00:01:28.549 --> 00:01:29.534 - best position 00:01:30.242 --> 00:01:36.527 - you know, make that happen. And, and, and HR also looking at, you know, how can we make administering 00:01:36.527 --> 00:01:42.750 - these various different kinds of programs simple for them and also clear to employees. Like what are 00:01:42.750 --> 00:01:48.973 - all the things and does everybody understand what they're for and why? Yeah. So one of the talks you 00:01:48.973 --> 00:01:55.319 - actually might be Hannah Drakovich as well, because she ran the programs at IU formerly. They did this 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.262 - and they had a structure that's a little more traditional where 00:01:59.842 --> 00:02:05.948 - Like a good policy, it's like basically you forego the parking spot benefit and usually to make it workable 00:02:05.948 --> 00:02:11.602 - for folks. There's some like, you can buy up to 20 day passes a year with a certain spot, you know, 00:02:11.602 --> 00:02:17.312 - some flexibility, right? Or things like that. But generally, the idea is you're giving off a benefit 00:02:17.312 --> 00:02:22.966 - that are not taking advantage of a benefit that other folks get and you get this other benefit in a 00:02:22.966 --> 00:02:28.733 - sense. You're picking your benefit, basically. And it's hard to visualize the parking benefit because 00:02:28.733 --> 00:02:29.694 - we own the land. 00:02:30.050 --> 00:02:36.239 - and we're not quantifying the budget. Just for awareness of everyone in this room, you know, whenever 00:02:36.239 --> 00:02:42.306 - we bring up, whenever there's, whenever anyone has access to something that someone else feels that 00:02:42.306 --> 00:02:48.676 - they cannot have access to, different questions and equity get raised. And so we have a ton of employees 00:02:48.676 --> 00:02:55.047 - who live in the county, like Wilmington organizations. And occasionally, occasionally we hear from those 00:02:55.047 --> 00:02:59.294 - folks who are like, well, it's unfair because I have no other option. 00:02:59.682 --> 00:03:04.113 - but they get the free parking benefits and they have it. They do, but their point is you want me to 00:03:04.113 --> 00:03:08.544 - work for you and Ergo, you should give me a parking spot because there's no bus option and it's too 00:03:08.544 --> 00:03:13.196 - far to ride by for, you know, whatever the other reasons are. Go and listen to everybody in the carpool. 00:03:13.196 --> 00:03:17.627 - It doesn't have to be a parking spot. It doesn't have to be a parking spot. It doesn't have to be a 00:03:17.627 --> 00:03:22.102 - parking spot. It doesn't have to be a parking spot. It doesn't have to be a parking spot. It doesn't 00:03:22.102 --> 00:03:26.666 - have to be a parking spot. It doesn't have to be a parking spot. It doesn't have to be a parking spot. 00:03:26.666 --> 00:03:28.350 - It doesn't have to be a parking spot. 00:03:28.802 --> 00:03:35.531 - Even if it's $4 a day, someone somewhere is like, man, that $4 a day. So just for your awareness, they're 00:03:35.531 --> 00:03:41.816 - not lobbying you. No, I understand. I wonder about from an educational standpoint and a behavioral 00:03:41.816 --> 00:03:48.292 - standpoint, I think packaging these things has always made sense to me. It's like when you're talking 00:03:48.292 --> 00:03:54.894 - about here's how to get a parking spot for the year, the conversation changes. It's like, here are your 00:03:54.894 --> 00:03:56.926 - transportation benefit options. 00:03:57.058 --> 00:04:01.600 - you can choose a free parking space in downtown Bloomington, or you can choose a $500 cash out, 00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:06.331 - or you can, you know, like those are your options, and these are roughly similar value. So based on 00:04:06.331 --> 00:04:11.157 - your own situation, you pick the benefit you want and need. Well, I'll sort of say, because the other 00:04:11.157 --> 00:04:15.936 - thing that I had been thinking about as we were looking at it is, you know, you're checking this off 00:04:15.936 --> 00:04:20.809 - in a time track, and let's say it even lives in HR, is that really the way to do it, or should it just 00:04:20.809 --> 00:04:26.014 - be a $500 once a year, once you start something committed and say, this is what I'm doing, and I commit that, 00:04:26.338 --> 00:04:33.555 - you know, 50, 50% of the days of the year, I'm going to, or I'm going to take a parking pass or, 00:04:33.555 --> 00:04:41.292 - or yeah, um, that would be another way to try it. That's actually, that's actually a really good route. 00:04:41.292 --> 00:04:48.806 - Somebody who lives in Ann County, it could say, make a choice to not have a parking pass and arrange 00:04:48.806 --> 00:04:51.038 - to park at the mall, carpool. 00:04:51.170 --> 00:04:58.346 - You know, like somebody could literally like park in some other public parking like like there's always 00:04:58.346 --> 00:05:03.038 - tons of mall parking spots open Friday and then like take a bus in. 00:05:03.138 --> 00:05:11.776 - I mean, I'm just saying that that's a choice that they make. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. 00:05:11.776 --> 00:05:20.501 - Just the messenger to be the voice of your family. You have kids to have to be in daycare with this. 00:05:20.501 --> 00:05:23.870 - Oh, yeah. Oh, we work at this one now. 00:05:24.130 --> 00:05:29.423 - And then you have a meeting that's off-site that's five minutes after that. Sometimes driving is your 00:05:29.423 --> 00:05:34.872 - only option. Oh, yeah. And the best benefit for you is the green working space. Right. The green working 00:05:34.872 --> 00:05:40.114 - space. Yeah. It's that you could, you know, in that scenario, though, go, like, oh, I don't have all 00:05:40.114 --> 00:05:45.615 - these other priority factors. So I will choose to park somewhere farther away. And then, like, I actually 00:05:45.615 --> 00:05:50.078 - had a friend who didn't want to get enough pay for the ID parking spot, who was like, 00:05:50.338 --> 00:05:55.261 - I think your house and then leave my car at your house. If I cannot be paid, I will think that that's 00:05:55.261 --> 00:06:00.135 - fine with me. And I'm sure you've also had a person who might go just so we're aware, too. You know, 00:06:00.135 --> 00:06:04.961 - public works recently sent out a reminder that, you know, you don't need to park invalidated in the 00:06:04.961 --> 00:06:09.884 - trade district, just because you're having to, you're inviting someone to a meeting and you want them 00:06:09.884 --> 00:06:14.806 - to park before you, so just, you know, we are being diligent about it, charging people for parking in 00:06:14.806 --> 00:06:16.254 - the trade district. They are. 00:06:16.642 --> 00:06:22.015 - Anyway, so very helpful. This is Neil and Anna are two recommendations for people to talk to you as 00:06:22.015 --> 00:06:27.872 - Anna has professional expertise and background at IU. And Neil has been here long enough that he understands 00:06:27.872 --> 00:06:33.568 - the iterations of the program. That's great. Thank you. Appreciate the opportunity to have that. I recall 00:06:33.568 --> 00:06:39.210 - the wording excluded walkers. So I walked for about four years. I think it was very specific. Oh, that's 00:06:39.210 --> 00:06:44.798 - absurd. That's weird. Is it an old program? It could be an old bike. Yeah, might have been an old bike. 00:06:44.930 --> 00:06:50.670 - I didn't follow that because I didn't like it at all. That's terrible. Yeah, that is terrible. Yeah, 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:56.693 - actually, right now, I'm literally reading from the employee handbook. The sustainable commuter incentive 00:06:56.693 --> 00:07:02.660 - allows any regular employee to receive a taxable $4 incentive up to a total amount, annual amount, $500. 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:08.797 - But each time, they sustainably commute to and from the work site for this scheduled shift. Which accounts. 00:07:08.797 --> 00:07:14.878 - And I'm sure that that's recycled from, you know, whatever HR caravans are now ready for that piece of it. 00:07:14.978 --> 00:07:21.289 - That's great. This is very lovely. If anyone wants to follow us. And lastly, Jeff Jackson, he might 00:07:21.289 --> 00:07:27.600 - have insights on like best practices for parking and cash out policies. He's an expert on that. You 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:33.911 - were talking about parking pass. You know, whether you're going to get a parking pass or not. Yeah. 00:07:33.911 --> 00:07:40.285 - I mean, one way to, I mean, I know you're on the honor system and I don't suspect cheating, but when 00:07:40.285 --> 00:07:44.766 - you have an incentive to cheat, people might. Maybe parking passes are 00:07:45.570 --> 00:07:51.527 - are given, but they're not, but you have a place where you can verify. In other words, if you're, if 00:07:51.527 --> 00:07:57.484 - you've got it in your car, you're, you know, you're not gonna bring it in, but you could bring it in 00:07:57.484 --> 00:08:03.500 - and check it in and say, I'm, I'm biking today. And that would validate that. I mean, I think we need 00:08:03.500 --> 00:08:09.398 - to make it as simple as possible and clear. And so I think, I mean, I'll talk to Sean about it, but 00:08:09.398 --> 00:08:11.934 - I think the idea of, I think the one time, 00:08:12.482 --> 00:08:20.076 - Some other system then adding up to time track is probably best practice practice. It's really confusing. 00:08:20.076 --> 00:08:27.526 - Anything that we can take out of time track is a benefit to everyone. So, all right, thank you so much. 00:08:27.526 --> 00:08:34.762 - Yes, thank you guys. Council was one to help shift the program to be more about focusing on insuring 00:08:34.762 --> 00:08:41.854 - equity in terms of access and all for whatever your situation is. And then how it was administered 00:08:42.850 --> 00:08:52.931 - We weren't going to be involved and I wasn't particularly a fan. I think part of it was that the controller 00:08:52.931 --> 00:09:02.453 - under Mayor Hamilton was insisting that there was no way to do it. And that the tax implications were 00:09:02.453 --> 00:09:11.134 - too complicated and it was like, we can't do the parking action. Well, I mean, it's taxable. 00:09:11.362 --> 00:09:17.014 - one time thing, but I remember what that was. Some places do have, so I'm pretty sure parking passes 00:09:17.014 --> 00:09:22.834 - paid by employer, like they're like providing you a parking pass that is a tax-free benefit, federally, 00:09:22.834 --> 00:09:28.430 - and I don't think other, like maybe like some, like this isn't an issue of like our train passes or 00:09:28.430 --> 00:09:34.306 - transit passes, a tax-free benefit as well, like exactly what the federal landscape is on that. So there 00:09:34.306 --> 00:09:40.350 - are tax implications, but worst case, yes, this is a taxable benefit for this case and not the other thing. 00:09:41.058 --> 00:09:47.812 - Yeah, yeah, we should probably keep moving because it is 910. No, I think that it's that it's fine, 00:09:47.812 --> 00:09:55.175 - because I also think that it's maybe a shorter discussion, the next one and then we talked about scheduling. 00:09:55.175 --> 00:10:02.064 - So I think this is just going to have to be a super short discussion right now about the proposed new 00:10:02.064 --> 00:10:04.158 - text, but we are moving on to. 00:10:04.450 --> 00:10:10.234 - the elected official compensation framework. We met in Visibel. What do you want to say about your proposed 00:10:10.234 --> 00:10:15.751 - new tax career guiding principles, which also actually has some process attached to it, which kind of, 00:10:15.751 --> 00:10:21.268 - you know, goes into that, you know, basis of salary setting part, I think. So basis for salary setting 00:10:21.268 --> 00:10:26.731 - and the process for salary setting seem to be like related. So which one of you wants to talk? I have 00:10:26.731 --> 00:10:32.301 - to agree with this, though, because she's the one predominantly working on restructuring, but developed 00:10:32.301 --> 00:10:33.854 - by the committee previously. 00:10:34.434 --> 00:10:43.047 - And I just gave a small, I reviewed it in a small, I could be back and edit. Yeah, I mean, the guiding 00:10:43.047 --> 00:10:51.493 - principles, I'm basically, like I said a month ago at this meeting, I felt like the first three were 00:10:51.493 --> 00:11:00.190 - the values and then the last two are more about how we make the decisions. So that's, I separated those 00:11:00.190 --> 00:11:02.782 - two out into those two chunks. 00:11:03.138 --> 00:11:11.654 - And then I just filled in some language to explain better what we mean by accessibility, a closed service 00:11:11.654 --> 00:11:20.009 - and quality community service because they did seem pretty similar and it was hard for me to understand 00:11:20.009 --> 00:11:28.364 - what the difference was. So I put those one after the other and tried to describe them in a little more 00:11:28.364 --> 00:11:32.542 - detail. And then in the process, informed decisions 00:11:33.026 --> 00:11:43.341 - I've kind of added what, based on relevant objective data, and then I added such as budgetary limitations, 00:11:43.341 --> 00:11:53.078 - city compensation models, comparison with other cities, historical events. So this is things that we 00:11:53.078 --> 00:12:02.622 - may consider in making up informed speeds. And the rest, I think, is transparency and consistency. 00:12:03.266 --> 00:12:13.582 - So that reflected what used to be transparent and document a process. Also emphasizing that we need 00:12:13.582 --> 00:12:24.208 - to make it clear to the public what the basis is for our decisions. I think that's pretty much it. I'm 00:12:24.208 --> 00:12:32.254 - going to assume. We're good. Yeah, I like it, too. I like it, too. All right. 00:12:32.386 --> 00:12:40.225 - You're reviewing that, Matt, any other things? I mean, I appreciate, I guess I'll expand a little bit. 00:12:40.225 --> 00:12:47.835 - I appreciate the, it does feel like between accessibility of service and quality community service, 00:12:47.835 --> 00:12:55.522 - you've defined some, like what we need to engage might mean that defined attainability and that type 00:12:55.522 --> 00:13:01.534 - of thing. Well, and breaking it up into the values of the process needs to be, 00:13:02.306 --> 00:13:11.742 - add clarity as well, so. Yeah, I mean, so accessibility, I think I focused on the office was financially 00:13:11.742 --> 00:13:20.819 - viable. So somebody at various income levels could say, I could do this, the time I've spent on this 00:13:20.819 --> 00:13:28.638 - would make me enough money that maybe along with something else, I could pay my bills. 00:13:29.122 --> 00:13:37.923 - And then the quality of community service is more about officials are paid at a rate that motivates 00:13:37.923 --> 00:13:46.813 - them to prioritize their city work to put in time to do their best work. And the compensation levels 00:13:46.813 --> 00:13:55.614 - lead to highly qualified people. So it's still kind of related, but still the distinction, I think, 00:13:55.614 --> 00:13:57.374 - that is well clear. 00:13:59.522 --> 00:14:08.878 - I appreciate your time. Thanks. So if there are no edits or complaints or concerns, then I'll call that 00:14:08.878 --> 00:14:18.503 - good and that will end up getting put into, probably I think what I'll do is do a report to all of council 00:14:18.503 --> 00:14:27.499 - with as much as possible in terms of updated stuff before sound recess. But that's maybe especially 00:14:27.499 --> 00:14:29.118 - keyed. All right. 00:14:29.634 --> 00:14:37.527 - So comparison cities, Dana and I got together, we don't have quite as much process going as you can 00:14:37.527 --> 00:14:45.735 - see maybe, but we got together, we trimmed down the number of cities. So Port Fulton, they're hopefully 00:14:45.735 --> 00:14:53.628 - shared first spreadsheet again with all of the second class cities. And so we trimmed down to fewer 00:14:53.628 --> 00:14:57.022 - second class cities that seems to be more, 00:14:57.506 --> 00:15:05.303 - act to be like the comparisons either because of the population or other aspects of the city. And then 00:15:05.303 --> 00:15:13.101 - we also selected some entities that are from outside or that are either not second class cities within 00:15:13.101 --> 00:15:20.747 - Indiana, like Monroe County and Ellsfield because they're close to us or from other states. And then 00:15:20.747 --> 00:15:26.046 - also like Indiana state reps and Indiana state senators as like other 00:15:26.242 --> 00:15:34.317 - similar maybe types of positions, just as like curiosity. And then we split those up between us in terms 00:15:34.317 --> 00:15:42.162 - of who's gonna look up all of the information about them. And as you can see, that's the part that we 00:15:42.162 --> 00:15:50.391 - haven't totally flipped in. One of the helpful things from the clerk's original sheet was this calculation 00:15:50.391 --> 00:15:55.774 - of like salary per meeting for legislative bodies. And so we kind of, 00:15:56.514 --> 00:16:03.616 - further down, kind of drew that out a little bit, thinking the number of regular meetings per year averaged 00:16:03.616 --> 00:16:10.390 - over the last three years. And that's just like regularly scheduled meetings, not counting things that 00:16:10.390 --> 00:16:17.097 - haven't come up. And then also looking at like number of committees and other appointments and things 00:16:17.097 --> 00:16:23.673 - like that to try to calculate that. And then percentage of those three against each other, at least 00:16:23.673 --> 00:16:26.238 - for the certain class cities. And then 00:16:27.778 --> 00:16:35.764 - Um, so I didn't adjust that percentage part once with the other, um, with the comparison with the other 00:16:35.764 --> 00:16:43.443 - cities, but that, or the other state and types of things. But that's the, that's the essence of the 00:16:43.443 --> 00:16:51.275 - data that we are going to collect and then kind of see where it leads us. Um, so I guess they, do you 00:16:51.275 --> 00:16:54.270 - have anything you want to add to that? 00:16:54.626 --> 00:17:02.808 - In summary, I would just say one question I have for the group is, you know, when it was proposed last 00:17:02.808 --> 00:17:10.752 - time we were, the proposal would place this as pretty much an outlier relative to other EDM cities. 00:17:10.752 --> 00:17:19.411 - However, when we go through and look at, as Hope said, the amount of work that we're giving to the customers 00:17:19.411 --> 00:17:22.430 - due to relative to other communities, 00:17:22.754 --> 00:17:32.526 - in terms of meetings, meetings and so forth. You know, we will have much more work than both communities. 00:17:32.526 --> 00:17:41.928 - The question I have is with public, taxpayers say, are you creating more work for yourself? You know, 00:17:41.928 --> 00:17:50.686 - in order to basically place yourself in a higher salary bracket. So that's just something that 00:17:51.682 --> 00:17:59.294 - Because we are more or less self-directed and in charge of, and we have some obligations in terms of, 00:17:59.294 --> 00:18:06.831 - you know, statutory what we approve in the hearings and things. But there are many things that we do 00:18:06.831 --> 00:18:14.369 - that we've added on to be more effective. And so that's just the debate. I don't know how to resolve 00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:19.966 - at this moment, but I think that I am my money, right, as it goes forward. 00:18:21.186 --> 00:18:29.221 - Well, it's not like we suddenly created, like, I think that the number of other meetings and stuff we've 00:18:29.221 --> 00:18:36.874 - had for a long time. We always have this long list of council members that serve as representatives 00:18:36.874 --> 00:18:43.838 - to, you know, the account development commission, all these other long list of committees. 00:18:44.930 --> 00:18:51.450 - So I think that there's some history that we could follow up on and say, it's not like we're just creating 00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:57.666 - this. Well, maybe in order to get more money. But there is bureaucratic free, too, over time. I mean, 00:18:57.666 --> 00:19:03.760 - your analyses tend to bloat, and then people say, well, Carmel can do it with half the meetings, or 00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:10.097 - why are you meeting so often? Yeah, right. And that's, I think, the main thing is the number of regular 00:19:10.097 --> 00:19:14.302 - meetings, not as much as the committee is in the other appointments. 00:19:14.722 --> 00:19:21.096 - Some of the other entities like it at least it had, and this is where like Dave and I were like we actually 00:19:21.096 --> 00:19:27.058 - don't reach out to these cities and like in their meeting schedules and that kind of thing, which is 00:19:27.058 --> 00:19:33.196 - why it's gonna take a little bit of time and you know average those beads over over three years in case 00:19:33.196 --> 00:19:35.262 - there's some weird stuff going on. 00:19:35.426 --> 00:19:40.337 - for goldens like original charges have like whether they meet like once a month or twice a month or 00:19:40.337 --> 00:19:45.445 - for whatever, you of course tend to meet three times a month and some others, other second class cities 00:19:45.445 --> 00:19:50.356 - only meet once a month. And so then it ends up what we end up getting like paid roughly the same as 00:19:50.356 --> 00:19:55.414 - the ones we're meeting once a month. And so then when we looked at it like per meeting, other entities 00:19:55.414 --> 00:20:00.571 - get paid a lot more per meeting than we do. And so that's what everybody's talking about. But then we've 00:20:00.571 --> 00:20:04.254 - also talked about the expectation that is maybe on the maintenance council 00:20:04.386 --> 00:20:11.177 - around the creation of legislation that is not necessarily on other councils, like in some other places, 00:20:11.177 --> 00:20:17.644 - the legislation primarily just comes from the executive branch and that's not an expectation, but I 00:20:17.644 --> 00:20:24.370 - think that is an expectation of council members. And so that's some of that, like, so that's why I have 00:20:24.370 --> 00:20:31.614 - like at the bottom of the second chart adding in responsibilities specific to legislation creation for council. 00:20:32.226 --> 00:20:40.526 - just to be like, you know, what is that expectation? And kind of the overall job, which is also gonna, 00:20:40.526 --> 00:20:48.664 - you know, require conversations and understanding of these other places. So it'll take a little bit. 00:20:48.664 --> 00:20:56.964 - What does the heading number of other appointments mean? Like total for our council members or for our 00:20:56.964 --> 00:20:58.334 - council members? 00:20:58.498 --> 00:21:05.542 - Overall, so the number of council committees is there, there are eight council committees. And that 00:21:05.542 --> 00:21:12.726 - includes three interviews, at least for us. So the total, the number of other appointments, it's like 00:21:12.726 --> 00:21:20.122 - a planning commission, it's utility service board, it's, it's ENOC development, it's. Yeah, like there's 00:21:20.122 --> 00:21:27.166 - all, there are all those things that we like, appoint or vote on about like first weekends of year. 00:21:27.650 --> 00:21:34.477 - And I kind of assume that other entities have similar types of appointments. And that's something that 00:21:34.477 --> 00:21:41.437 - I haven't quite figured out. It's pretty easy to just go, okay, council member paid for regular meeting, 00:21:41.437 --> 00:21:48.529 - you just divide, but we add in those other commitments. And I did actually fill in the one for Bloomington 00:21:48.529 --> 00:21:55.422 - just after I needed to turn this in. And so what I decided is added the committees and the appointments 00:21:55.554 --> 00:22:03.222 - to the number of regular meetings kind of on this assumption that each of those just adds one meeting 00:22:03.222 --> 00:22:11.417 - per council member per year, which is not accurate necessarily, right? But I, there needs to be a consistent 00:22:11.417 --> 00:22:19.161 - way that that can stun. Yeah, but, but all nine council members aren't on all eight committees, right? 00:22:19.161 --> 00:22:24.574 - Yeah. And so that's where it was kind of like, like there's no good way 00:22:24.834 --> 00:22:31.763 - to piece out the number of appointments that each council member might have, because that's shifting 00:22:31.763 --> 00:22:38.829 - in here. And if somebody has a great idea of how they want me to do that, like let me know. Otherwise, 00:22:38.829 --> 00:22:45.964 - I think that I'll just kind of add those to the number of regular meetings per year. I assume it's like 00:22:45.964 --> 00:22:53.099 - one, which is just not accurate, but it's maybe, at least it's a consistent way to. As long as you have 00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:54.814 - data, do the same thing. 00:22:55.074 --> 00:23:05.649 - and right here. That's going to be a lot of work. I would volunteer to take a few cities if you want. 00:23:05.649 --> 00:23:16.327 - OK. Let's see what happens over the next month or so. Any other comments? So to anything that you guys 00:23:16.327 --> 00:23:21.822 - want us to investigate from these others? All right. 00:23:22.594 --> 00:23:29.906 - Because of time, I want to go to public comment. And let's go ahead and take public comment on anything 00:23:29.906 --> 00:23:37.148 - that we discussed, including fund balance stuff and the feeder method and any of the spaces for salary 00:23:37.148 --> 00:23:44.250 - setting. So if there are any members of the public, there are none in the room. If anybody's online, 00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:51.070 - let's do that. Go ahead and raise your hands. And I will time you on my watch for three minutes. 00:23:51.202 --> 00:24:04.960 - There's also some chats that came in. If you chatted with me, you're going to have to mention it in 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:17.342 - the comment. So who has raised hands up there? I can't find it. I have invited on my own. 00:24:19.938 --> 00:24:28.282 - It looks like I just see a hand raised from Mr. Kehoe. There we go. Mr. Kehoe, whenever you're unmuted, 00:24:28.282 --> 00:24:36.305 - you can go ahead and state your record and then we'll hold up to three minutes. Kevin Kehoe. I want 00:24:36.305 --> 00:24:44.890 - to talk about the compensation framework currently in discussion. The issue of maybe a closed loop system, 00:24:44.890 --> 00:24:46.334 - maybe a red flag, 00:24:46.882 --> 00:24:55.128 - Unfortunately, our political environment has become a one-party monopoly, where the primary effectively 00:24:55.128 --> 00:25:03.532 - serves as the general election. This week's primary results are case in point. There are some good races. 00:25:03.532 --> 00:25:11.619 - But the people who vote in the primary, we need to just acknowledge that they're fewer in number than 00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:13.918 - the actual general election. 00:25:14.146 --> 00:25:22.506 - So this comes into effect, and you're not middle management or employees, you're fiduciaries, but we 00:25:22.506 --> 00:25:30.783 - start using pay ranges, market rates. There might be, I'm just suggesting there may be, the council 00:25:30.783 --> 00:25:39.391 - pay may create this false sense of equivalence, and you're really not getting that independence I think 00:25:39.391 --> 00:25:40.798 - you really want. 00:25:41.026 --> 00:25:47.466 - And again, back to this closed-loop political system where these market competitive salaries or whatever 00:25:47.466 --> 00:25:53.600 - you pay risk incentivizing candidates to view these seats as a career path rather than a sacrifice, 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:59.795 - and this professionalization of the council may deepen the divide between government and those being 00:25:59.795 --> 00:26:03.230 - government. I'm just asking for a reasonableness check. 00:26:03.458 --> 00:26:10.703 - just asking you to reject this HR style benchmarking. Again, I've said before, just look at what the 00:26:10.703 --> 00:26:17.876 - median income is and what people you serve. I think we deserve a council that values fiduciary duty 00:26:17.876 --> 00:26:25.192 - of the office more than a paycheck. Let's ensure this compensation model remains a modest stipend for 00:26:25.192 --> 00:26:32.222 - services, keeping your interest aligned with the citizens, not the payroll. Thank you. Thank you. 00:26:35.746 --> 00:26:46.250 - Are there any other members of the public who wants comments? Let's see, any other hands? So those are 00:26:46.250 --> 00:26:56.754 - public comments. Then move on to scheduling notes. So I did put in at the end of our packet today, the 00:26:56.754 --> 00:27:04.606 - little scheduling calendar thing, because we are getting to like the ends of 00:27:05.218 --> 00:27:12.616 - this first session in some ways. I didn't particularly add anything to the budget-related notes up there 00:27:12.616 --> 00:27:19.943 - above. Jeff, do you have anything that should be added to the 2027 budget notes, or is that pretty much 00:27:19.943 --> 00:27:27.200 - set as is? Yeah, I don't think we have anything else right now, just to let you know that we did have. 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:32.766 - All departments have now turned in their very first initial cut at the budget. 00:27:33.058 --> 00:27:41.189 - I haven't even had a chance to dig into them. It was due yesterday, so. Perfect. We have two more meetings 00:27:41.189 --> 00:27:48.940 - of this schedule. The next one was on May 22nd and then June 12th. In theory, going on our thing, the 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:56.766 - 22nd would be something from the administration. The 12th would be something council physical business 00:27:56.766 --> 00:27:58.590 - related just because of 00:27:58.786 --> 00:28:05.952 - dates and times, et cetera, the 12th direction of Marataka, having sanitation and having that discussion 00:28:05.952 --> 00:28:12.981 - about sanitation rates and that kind of stuff on the 12th, which isn't really administrative and isn't 00:28:12.981 --> 00:28:19.873 - really counseled, but it's kind of like both. But Jeff, do you have something that you were thinking 00:28:19.873 --> 00:28:23.422 - of that would be appropriate for the 22nd or? Well, 00:28:24.194 --> 00:28:30.624 - Yes, at some point we need to kind of return to the reading plan and engage with that. So that may be 00:28:30.624 --> 00:28:36.991 - the best. I can't guarantee that I can get somebody from reading, but I think that discussing, let's 00:28:36.991 --> 00:28:43.610 - just say discussing the financial plan. Okay. All right. So wonderful. So we will say, if I wasn't sure, 00:28:43.610 --> 00:28:50.229 - I was like, should we cancel that? Should we need to brainstorm some data from? So that means that right 00:28:50.229 --> 00:28:53.822 - now we're setting our next two meeting dates and topics. 00:28:53.986 --> 00:28:59.571 - And then I also wanted to consider how this two meetings per month is working for everybody. 00:28:59.571 --> 00:29:05.757 - And if we're set, I'll tell you from my standpoint, it's a little bit like I get done with one meeting 00:29:05.757 --> 00:29:11.883 - and then I have to figure out the attendance stuff for the next meeting. And that's okay, I think, as 00:29:11.883 --> 00:29:18.009 - long as you guys, I'm trying to do better about getting that stuff posted a little bit earlier, which 00:29:18.009 --> 00:29:23.774 - means my communicating with the clerk's office a little bit earlier. And that's probably would, 00:29:24.802 --> 00:29:32.509 - have a little bit less lifetime if we had more staff right now but we don't so yeah and then should 00:29:32.509 --> 00:29:40.217 - we meet over summer recess at all and then our next our first regular session meeting with the full 00:29:40.217 --> 00:29:47.924 - council after summer recess is july 22nd which means the first right july 23rd so we could consider 00:29:47.924 --> 00:29:54.398 - basically having a fiscal break from june 12th to july 24th and that might actually 00:29:54.754 --> 00:30:02.747 - My thought was that would give us a good long summer to do the research that might be needed for those 00:30:02.747 --> 00:30:10.817 - pure city comparisons, and then come back on July 24th to talk about the results from that pretty well, 00:30:10.817 --> 00:30:18.732 - but I wanted to know what other people thought. Yeah. And we like the two meetings a month. Yeah. And 00:30:18.732 --> 00:30:21.758 - this time is still good for everybody. 00:30:21.986 --> 00:30:27.964 - Um, so I'll then work on, uh, with the clerk's office on getting those scheduled and posted, starting 00:30:27.964 --> 00:30:33.824 - again every other week, starting on July 24th. Does that sound good to you as well, Jeff? Okay. And 00:30:33.824 --> 00:30:39.978 - there might, the only thing that I, that I might say, Jeff, I'll, I'll talk with you about it, um, when, 00:30:39.978 --> 00:30:45.838 - uh, during like the budget week and stuff, and those two weeks of budget weeks, I might think about 00:30:45.838 --> 00:30:51.230 - skipping a week or something like that, just because that would be a lot, um, for everybody 00:30:51.458 --> 00:31:00.236 - to deal with, especially our controller, so. Okay, wonderful. Anything else that go to the order? Just 00:31:00.236 --> 00:31:08.844 - a comment. I think where we're at in terms of counts of salaries right now is much more run with the 00:31:08.844 --> 00:31:17.623 - median area. So we're going to check just FYI. What do you mean in the line of what? Well, it's within 00:31:17.623 --> 00:31:20.350 - a closer minus $1,000 per year. 00:31:20.802 --> 00:31:37.201 - I think it's more than that. It depends on what we're talking about. I don't think it's like super far 00:31:37.201 --> 00:31:47.390 - off. I guess what I'm saying is it could be another comparator. 00:31:48.226 --> 00:31:58.126 - But it's 50% of AMI. Everything ends up feeling completely arbitrary. Yeah, and actually, that's 80%. 00:31:58.126 --> 00:32:08.025 - I think 80% of AMI for one person in Bloomington right now is $60,700. That was for fiscal year 2020. 00:32:08.025 --> 00:32:11.422 - First thing over tomorrow? Really? 00:32:13.218 --> 00:32:22.239 - That's the low income category. I think the low income is, and can't remember if that's 120 or there's 00:32:22.239 --> 00:32:30.997 - a percentage that's implicit there. Maybe that's the 120 percent, but I think that low income is 80 00:32:30.997 --> 00:32:40.894 - percent. Remember, Emily Hansen said the other night that essentially the spectrum of AMR is not relevant or not 00:32:41.762 --> 00:32:52.795 - It's really challenging. Because we've got so many students that don't have income, particularly from 00:32:52.795 --> 00:33:03.719 - their parents. Or just don't have it. Right. Right. They're being supported in some way. Or taking a 00:33:03.719 --> 00:33:08.478 - debt, but either way, it creates that data. 00:33:09.282 --> 00:33:17.796 - Um, that would be a very good conversation for, uh, for her day to figure out that kind of consideration 00:33:17.796 --> 00:33:26.878 - and there'll be more of these. So anyway, anything else? So there's the order. Thank you all very much. Thanks.