- I'll call this meeting to order. And, um, I guess one thing about attendance first. This is Interview
- Committee student. I am Councilmember Sidney Zulek, District 6. And I'm going to put my phone on silent.
- Councilmember is about Pete Mott Smith, District 1. Jennifer Crossley, Deputy Clerk. David Aloe, District
- 4 Council. Great. So real quick, you have an interview that's coming up.
- I almost said two. There were supposed to be two people, Sarah and Rebecca. Sarah Brinkman emailed back
- after going back and forth with me a couple of different times and has decided to not attend tonight's
- meeting. I wanted to clarify, does that mean she's withdrawing her application? And I'm still waiting
- to hear back, so. OK, you only have Rebecca at six.
- Yes, I agree. Great. Okay. If we only have one appointment. Correct. And is that the seat who currently
- holds that? That's the seat that's currently occupied by Matt Austin. Okay. Thank you. Well, I was just
- don't have it in front of me but there was a uh at the last because meeting there was um a list of of
- because members and matt austin was on it and it seemed that he was reappointed and i i remember otherwise
- but i do see that his term runs from 48 wait a minute his term runs from
- April 8th, 2026 to April 8th, 2026. Why everybody's dead. What does that mean? That's probably just
- that he had 90 days to. Well, that's today's day. Yes, it is. So was it me? I'm looking actually at
- the site of commissioners. Oh, and on board it says. He is an interim appointment.
- to 126 to 131 28. Yeah, okay. Interim appointment until when? Well, that's weird that it's showing like
- that because technically his term was up at the end of January of this year. And so onboard does this
- weird automatic thing where it
- If you haven't been appointed by that date, it used to say carryover. And so IT switched the term to
- show that this technically is basically saying that they've not been reappointed yet. And so it looks
- like if he were to be reappointed, that would be his new term, which would be 2-1 of this year and goes
- through 1-31 of 2028. Right. And we have 30 days from January 31st to thrill them.
- Or 90 days? 90. So that would be April 30th. Correct. Okay. So he has that like 90 day buffer day. Okay,
- I understand. I have a couple other things that we need to talk about in the 10 minutes before. One,
- Raynard Cross, who previously served on the Historic Preservation Commission as a mayoral appointment
- in addition to Sam DeSolar,
- they were not reappointed by Mayor Thompson. And I reached out to both of them because I've worked with
- both of them just because of the planning that I've done with the deliberation sessions and I'm their
- new liaison. And so I knew both of them. I asked both of them if they would be interested in serving
- in a council role, even in spite of the fact that it's a non-voting seat just to continue on the board
- and continue giving them perspective. Sam turned me down.
- and said that he did not want to do it if he didn't have a vote, which I completely understand. Reynard
- called me back last week and said that he was interested. If either of you would be interested in making
- a motion to reappoint him, his application is already in there. We wouldn't need to. Yeah, we have zero
- council members right now.
- Historic preservation. His application is in here. Yes, scroll down. Reynard Cross. It's in the archived
- on board. Yeah, since technically he was the mayoral appointment. Well, how long has he served? I don't know.
- But so he, he knows the ropes. He comes with your recommendation. Yes. Okay. Cause I don't know that.
- Looks like he's served since 2020. Two terms, two non-consecutive terms. No, those are consecutive.
- 2020. 2020. Oh, you're right. It's a consecutive. Yeah. He's been on since the beginning of 2020.
- That's fine with me. What's his name? Reynard Cross, R-E-Y-N-A-R-T. Yeah, I think I remember him from
- our druggy meeting. Yes. Yes. I'm in a realty and property management company. I was impressed with
- him. Yeah, I think he always has really thoughtful pieces to bring to the discussion.
- Good. We don't have any other perhaps. You got a new one that came through and then remember Cassie
- Shelton was one that we didn't know her address and so now that we confirmed it that she does live with
- that city limits.
- So we should look at both of those as well. And we have four slots. I think we decided that we I think
- we decided that we wanted to interview Cassie if she did live in city limits. Okay. And then can you?
- And then there's a new one, James Hutchinson. Oh, not much information here. Okay.
- Does this resume your birth certificate? No. Department. Holds a B.A. in history, Texas State University,
- pursuing a M.A. in history. Hmm. Experience with park interpretation, historical programming,
- social media. Yeah. Well, I think that would at least be a different perspective to bring. We could
- interview him.
- And it looks like 530 North Lincoln Street, Apartment 5. I think that's almost certainly a renter. And
- it would be awesome to have a renter on HPC. 530 North Lincoln, that may even be a historic district.
- I think that might be Cottage Grove. The one that's coming to us. Yeah, I think so.
- Sure, let's talk to James and Cassie. Would you like to make a motion? I will move that we invite James
- Hutchison and Cassie Shelton to interview for the HPC. Second. So since all of you are here, you can
- do a voice vote. All in favor?
- of appointing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison. No, of interviewing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison
- for the Historic Preservation Commission. Aye. All opposed? Great. I'll make another motion to appoint
- Raynard Cross to seat C1 of the Historic Preservation Commission.
- Certainly if I can see just became vacant because remember drew hair was in there. Oh Yes All in favor
- I all opposed Sam sign that passes and That concludes our business for the Historic Preservation Commission
- Something else
- that I have been recently been made aware of just because I know we all have our own feelings about
- the arts commission and someone being removed because they were a county resident. I've recently been
- made aware that the president of the board of transit or the BT's board lives in Florida. What? Like
- it owns property in Bloomington but made a stink about
- paying Indiana taxes because Florida doesn't charge us a child's access. Where do they declare the residency
- in Florida? Yeah. Is that one of ours? No, it's one of Mayor Thompson's. No, but it's that board, one
- of our boards. We make appointments to it. Oh, well, I think it's- No, we don't make appointments to
- Bloomington Transit, but I wanted to bring it up because
- I'm curious to what your thoughts are. I'm happy to talk to Gary, but you guys are my interview team,
- so I wanted to see what you guys thought first. Yeah, I would say that's not appropriate. You've got
- to be a resident in Bloomington. I would expect. I guess they do the migration thing.
- retired people do, where they spend half of the year. Yeah, the year in Florida. Well, that's what I
- was asking. Yeah, but he- There's a primary residence, is it here or is it there? Something to inquire
- about, I suppose. But these people get a stipend for their work, and so that was why he asked for the
- Florida tax instead of the Indiana tax that he was receiving from BT to serve on the board.
- Is this James McCleary? Yes. Wow. He's been serving on it on time. Yes, he is. From what I know, he's
- fairly anti-transit. He's very focused on turning everything into micro-transit. Well, I think that's
- worth looking into. Yeah, he's in the middle of a four-year term.
- He was very recently reaffirmed it. It says his term was 8-1-24. Yeah, August. August of 2024. Yeah.
- Somebody from Mayor Thompson's office should call and find out where he declares his primary residence.
- Yeah. I mean, yeah. But it's really not up to her to do it. Yeah. Or her office to do it. I guess- Couldn't
- fall to- Yeah.
- I just wanted to see what you guys thought, because for me, it's frustrating to have someone who's across
- the street from the city being denied representation on a board. Now we've got someone who lives in
- a completely other state sharing a board that makes really impactful decisions for all of our residents.
- I just wanted to bring it up. I'm happy to talk to Mayor Thompson about it. I just wanted to talk to you both.
- First. Yeah, I think it's he should be made aware of. OK, right. Thank you. I would just leave has.
- Has everybody had a chance to touch base with the? Entities you're liaising with. Yes. Yes, I need to
- reach out to the new chair of the Pulitzer
- Is that going OK for everybody? Yeah, I mean, I. I'm supposed to be liaison to the RTC. You know they
- keep having these executive sessions, so I don't really know what's going on. Hello, we definitely in
- the right spot. 150 and 160 clean it. Sorry.
- Oh, that's fine. Welcome. Yeah, that's fine. Welcome. I love your big phone case. Ah, thanks. Circle
- around it. Sure. I'm gonna back up, by the way. Hi, nice to meet you. I'm Isabelle P. Mott Smith. Hi,
- nice to meet you, as well. I'm Dave. Hi, Dave. Rollo. And I'm Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. Hello, nice to
- officially meet you. Thank you. Welcome. So this is gonna be informal. Just gonna ask you a couple, um,
- subject matter questions and then logistical questions. And then in a few weeks, no matter what the
- outcome is, you will hear back from our lovely deputy clerk, Ms. Jennifer Crossley. And then you're
- welcome to ask us any questions. Does anyone want to get started? I can ask what I always have as my
- first question, and that's what made you decide to apply for
- position on the Commission on Sustainability and Resilience? Yeah. I guess I've always been civic-minded
- and always feel a call to participate and be active in my community. I spotted the notice in the newspaper
- that the city was looking for seats on a variety of boards. I just took a minute and read through it.
- This commission sounds like right up my
- Allie in terms of the things I personally care about and what I want for my community as well and where
- I live. So, yeah. All right. What are the things that interest you most about sustainability? Well,
- I'm a mother, so I have children that I would like to be able to experience the world in the same way
- or in the same sort of
- good way that I've been able to experience it. So I have this desire to pass along a world that my kids
- and other people can drive in. So part of that requires keeping our environment, our systems sustainable
- and resilient so that we can continue to improve them and not have to worry about repairing them.
- I'm a huge hiker. I came from Colorado. The natural environment is near and dear to my heart. I want
- to be able to share that to everybody. That's the other side of the same coin. I understand that I have
- the opportunities to take advantage of
- Like our built environment in our natural environment, but not everybody does. So the equity piece of
- sustainability and resilience. Resiliency is also kind of high on top of my mind. Great. Yeah, yeah,
- you're an educator, right? You're with Purdue Extension. So I'm a Health and Human Sciences educator
- in Lawrence County, so Bedford Mitchell. And so that's been a really wonderful.
- You know, it's a rural population. And so it's been a great sort of all my work up to date has been.
- I mean, I've, I've had a lot of experience working with municipalities. My, my background is urban planning
- in alternative modes, actually. But then I got grew interested in the intersection of like public health
- and urban planning. And so recently got my degree in public health and wanted to do like community health
- and vitality. And so anyway down and
- Lawrence County, it's been my first opportunity to work with rural population, which is different.
- I mean, it's just different than a more, I wouldn't say Bloomington is cosmopolitan, but it's a lot
- bigger than. We like to think we have, but yeah. It's just different. The assets are different down
- there. The motivating factors are different. I'm not saying
- worse, they're just different. So it's been a really good opportunity to get some exposure to that and
- try to make an impact there as it relates to community health. But you live here in Bloomington? I do
- live here in Bloomington, yeah. So I'm a Hoosier. I grew up in Indianapolis, but I spent all my summers,
- all my childhood summers in a little town called Huron, which is in Lawrence County, the very bottom
- by Shoals.
- Yeah, it's right off 50. Yeah, it's tiny. Lawrence County has all, in fact, we, my collective family,
- still owns property down in here on about 75 acres that we have in forest conservation. I don't know,
- I just felt a pull to go down there. It's awesome. Sometimes working in your community is,
- that has its own set of challenges compared to if you go and be an outsider. So that was actually, yeah,
- it's worked well for me. Cool. So what do you think are the major threats to sustainability? Well, are
- you asking for Bloomington proper or just? It could be global for that matter. I mean, we're all connected, but.
- You said this is 20 minute interview. How I would answer that is, not everybody is on the same page
- as it relates to where we are with the need for sustainability and resiliency planning or resilient plans.
- you know, got a lot of deniers out there about some of the things that are, that we know for a fact
- are actually influencing sustainability. So I feel like that's a pretty big problem. Just the fact that
- we kind of have, there's not a united outlook on it, which is, you know, not like, there's lots of things
- that where there's disagreement on what the issue is or what the reality is. But I do feel like that's
- a huge, I mean, the,
- Climate denial, for example, that's a very huge barrier, especially when we're seeing it in political
- realms that have the ability to affect policy or made policy. I feel like that's a hurdle. I don't know
- what that would require. I don't know how you would persuade or inform somebody that is so set on not
- I guess, reading the science or seeing the live reality of some of the things that are affecting our
- planet right now, like heat waves and droughts. I would say collectively, that's a big one. We're not
- all believers yet. That interests me because I've grown really tired of this polarity in society.
- um and so I've joined a couple groups that are filled with people across the political spectrum and
- what I found is that there is some commonality so and anyway I'll get to this question in a second but
- like for instance like microplastics it's amazing how many MAGA people eat organic food because they're
- worried about it and of course there was just a nature vapor that showed
- know cadaver brain cadavers have the equivalent of a plastic spoon but it's in everything in your brain
- uh and it's growing by 50 every eight years and so that they're aware of they're threatened by ai because
- they're worried about their jobs so you know there are points of agreement and then there are points
- where you know it's very polarized but i'm i'm
- Do you think that your work there and your background in health can bridge that? I would like to think
- that as an educator and an informer. Yeah, I guess you never stop trying to spread the knowledge. And
- we know information changes all the time.
- I feel like being an educator, I feel like I'm responsible for keeping up with what the science is saying.
- Who else do you look to for information about what's impacting our environment in this sense? It's my
- responsibility to keep seeking the most, I guess,
- vetted information, most credible information to share that. Back to the polarity thing, it's everywhere.
- It's not just on the topic of sustainability. I face it every single day, just even on a personal level
- because my personal values with the majority of the people I'm down teaching in Lawrence County are
- different.
- But I just have to remind myself that, like, you know, in my role as an educator and using evidence-based
- information coming from Purdue University, like, I feel good about that, that I am sharing out what,
- you know, is pretty objective information, despite the fact that, like, I'm among people that, like,
- work night and day on our personal outlets. So, I mean, yeah, hilarity, like, that's a huge,
- It's a huge obstacle, but I think it's like, you know, on the time spectrum, maybe that the polarity
- gap closes as information comes out. The only way to do it is to keep talking. I agree. Yeah. And you
- seem to be doing that. So I'm very impressed by that. Well, thank you. I feel passionate. You know,
- it's like you it's
- I think about, I'm going to use an example. I actually quite like Orange County. I don't share your
- values, but I can see that there's a lot of well-meaning people down there and what drives their decisions
- and the way they think is different than the way I do it. That's the way we all roll in this world.
- But if I think about something like
- you know, a topic like a controversial topic, like, well, I feel like it's becoming more controversial,
- but prescribed birds, you know, like there's a lot of the hunters down there are like, please, you know,
- click, maintain these forests for us because it, you know, they see the value in that. And then there's
- other, you know, there's other opinions on prescribed burns that just don't see don't
- I guess it would feel like the hunters wouldn't, like that's one issue where the hunters are sort of
- in my camp. Not to call it my camp, but like, I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can
- find commonalities. You just, they just, you ride out of limit or I guess, yeah, unusual ways. And that's
- been my trick. It's like, I mean, who doesn't want to feel well and live optimally? Like, I think most
- of us want that.
- To me, it's just like we have to get there. Our language may be different, but we can still try to talk
- and think about it. The constituent meeting and people were against the prescribed burn or they were
- skeptical. But my background in biology says it's a good thing. It reduces ticks, by the way.
- But in any case, I know that's dynamic. It's interesting that
- I mean, I was for deer hunting in Griffey because of ecological, because it was crashing in terms of
- its biodiversity, because of deer overpopulation. And I ran into, people were very sympathetic to deer.
- And it was quite a clash, but I was, the hunters understood it. Now we have it, now they donate all
- to the food bank. Anyway, there are ways in which we can, we intersect and we can talk
- to each other, I think, and I'm impressed that you do that, and so that's really cool. I'm not really
- well-informed about prescribed burns, so maybe I picked them up. That's not the specialization at this
- point. That's what I was trying to relay. You will not have to make that type of decision.
- My point was, yeah, you can find some unexpected common ground if you just communicate. So anyway.
- Well, Council member Roland serves on the commission. You would be working with him appointed to you.
- Can you talk about the logistics? Because I don't remember the exact day. It's the second Tuesday from
- six until 7.30. It's really pretty. I mean, we adjourned exactly at 7.30. I appreciate that. It means
- that we're really officially by Justin Bass.
- We've taken on topics lately of toxic chemicals in the community, particularly what the city is using,
- understanding and looking at that. We've been focused on local food and trying to promote that. There's
- a lot going on in our subcommittees. Generally, what you do then is you might land in a subcommittee with
- or three other people kind of working on something, kind of researching and bringing back that information
- to the group. And lately the group's been very interested in bringing either legislation like chickens,
- that's another thing they want to explain, chicken flocks, to resolutions to the council. So they've
- been very active and really
- The commissions go like that sometimes in terms of who's on it and how busy they are and what they're
- interested in. But this one has really got a lot of cohesion right now. It's really working a lot of
- good stuff. It's encouraging. Yeah. Can you commit to that time? Yes, I already. I did notice there
- was one conflict that I might have farther or later in the year. Okay. But otherwise, I'm free. You
- mean just for a single meeting? Yeah.
- Oh yeah, that's not a problem. And you could zoom. I have two kids going off to college, so I don't
- know how in the fall that I'm doing some drop-offs and that was the one. So, and then subcommittees,
- maybe you might want to land on one that serves your interests.
- What are the subcommittees? Just one on waste reduction. You have one on transportation. I'm sorry.
- My brain is.
- Anyway, you can find it. Have you been to any meetings or have you seen it online? I've been poking
- around. I think the dashboard is awesome. Check it out. I can send you information. Then I read some
- other resolutions, but I don't know if I drilled down into the subcommittees. I don't know if I saw
- or where to go for that. So is the commission, what size is it? How many people are on the commission?
- I think 14. Yeah, it's bigger than it used to be.
- because we had it coming and so many different universities there. Okay. Some of them are in the big
- commission actually. Yeah, so it's really active conditional. I think we've made some really good gains
- in terms of sustainability. Isabel was all about it for many years in the green buildings and so forth.
- We've done chickens. They've started this commission back in 2003. It was very controversial in 2003.
- In 2003. 2003. I graduated from IU in 1996. I've been around here since 1985. When did the commission
- begin? I started it in 2005. I just said it's 20th anniversary. I don't have any children, but that's
- My child. Yeah, I have a few kids. Well, let me say your child is probably cheaper than looking at the
- college tuition. Where are they going anyway? My son is going to Western Washington, so I couldn't get
- the Western portion of the nation out of him because we we moved here in 2019. So I've been in the front
- range of Colorado.
- Since I graduated in 96 so but then moved back to help my aging parents. So he's going to Western Washington
- and then my daughter is going to DePaul, which is
- up in Chicago, which is usually because she was looking at schools in England. I'm very grateful that
- she's not going across the pond. She's from my motherly heart. A few hours away. Yeah. I've been in
- Bloomington for seven years. Yeah, I have. You went to school here. I got my bachelor's here and then
- a master's here. Then I got a master's in public health at IUB. Then I got a master's in
- Urban and regional planning at University of Colorado Denver. So, so I was just gonna say, so I wanted
- to go back to Dave's question, but focus it more on Bloomington. Are there certain sustainability things
- or benchmarks that you think Bloomington should focus on? Well, I know that hands are tied to some degree
- because of state legislation and
- But the electric car incentives, I feel like we missed the boat, especially if we compare it to Colorado,
- because I have siblings that still live in Colorado, and they both had amazing incentives to buy. They're
- paying $19 a month for the newest, I don't know, one of the newest electric model cars. $19 a month?
- least, but I mean, that's actually incredible. And their infrastructure is, you know, they've got, they
- have prioritized, you know, electric refuelings, or, you know, electric stations, plugins. So I would
- say like, you know, that seems like
- Okay, nothing's low hanging fruit, but like the electric car. And if you look at the automobile industry,
- I feel like we should jump on that as a community to the extent that that's possible. But like I said,
- I know there's some other streamless plane, the inevitability of that. So the electric vehicles and
- then solar panels. I
- I feel like the campaign to go solar in Boulder when I was there was just like in your face. And so
- it was in a good way. So it was like, yeah, just go ahead and get solar. Everybody's doing it. So it's
- kind of like the seatbelt campaign. Eventually, it was just like, you just get solar. Not quite that.
- I mean, back to equity stuff.
- not quite as simple as just putting your seatbelt on, but I'm just saying like the knowledge out there,
- the campaigning around it and it's important and how easy it is or could be to you and all the incentives
- like that seemed like a real easy push that the communities rolled out there. So we have done quite
- a bit. Yes. And I don't mean to sound like critical of anything done or not done. I wish we could see
- more solar.
- So we actually have business development grants to do solar for local businesses in certain areas in
- the community. But we could definitely expand that. The other thing is like our comps just aren't there
- when it comes to making people aware of the opportunities that are available. So something I'd love
- to see. And the state is more backward, I see.
- They've gone back on solar. We could have expanded it more for legislation. I know. Well, I was going
- to ask, so when I first moved back in 2019, I worked for the Monroe County Planning Department. I'm
- just curious about your relationship with, I was thinking about I actually permitted some solar panels
- for a church off of
- One of the east-west streets that has three names down south. A rural road. Something or Moores Pike
- or- Moores Pike Hillside Country Club. Something like, yeah, all that. It has one road. Yeah. How does
- your commission, I mean, I know you're an ally or hopefully are an ally, but how does your commission,
- what's the dynamic between
- the commission and like zoning and permitted use type stuff. Like when it comes to like solar panels
- or backyard chickens or flock chickens or. Right. Well, I mean, they have been involved. The council,
- the commission has been involved in the UDL and then things like that. And actually we're doing revisions
- on the UDL soon. And I think, I mean,
- I assume that they'll be involved in the process. David Hittle, who's the Director of Planning
- and Transportation is coming with us on various UDO amendments and it'd be interesting to see if some
- of this stuff gets inserted as well. Do you have an opinion about it? I think that the commission could
- be an advocate for some of the zoning changes that
- would increase sustainability. Yeah, I mean, I know it's a hot, hot button, but just the whole,
- the AVU, like, you know, allowing even, I mean, I'm more familiar with Monroe County's zoning ordinance
- than I am, City of Bloomington's, but like the duplexes or granny flats, like, I mean, all of that is,
- you know, in the direction of sustainability.
- But it's hard to get some of that zoned or it's hard to push that through some of the regulations that
- are on the books at the moment. So just curious about if the commission has encountered that in any
- of their initiatives. Something you could discuss, actually. Seriously, but I know David Hittle is looking
- um for instance uh 80 years and expanding with us finding ways in which those could be because it's
- been tested and people are now accustomed to the only thing that we could continue expanding for propensity
- purposes uh that's good to hear yeah yeah i mean there i i was on the other side of the of the of the
- zoning up zoning um but we don't have to talk about that right now but but i was coming i had a mixed
- Yeah. Because I saw it threatening some of the housing stuff. Yeah. Well, I feel like we have the added
- complication of the university. Yeah. That's a big one. Which has muddy the water on this, I think,
- for just various reasons. But I mean, I can see where you might have some concerns about high intensity
- as it relates
- potentially more traffic if there's no other infrastructure there that's like alternative mode related
- you know like it's it's a bit complicated but i think that you know i find points of agreement certainly
- with higher density because more density you have less volume so i've always been in favor of like but
- you know as you said the university kind of distorts the whole thing because you end up with like large
- multi-family and things like that. Are they sustainable? Well, they probably have a 20-year lifespan,
- honestly, and things like that. I'm critical to the university in terms of that they might have operated
- differently. But anyway, I'll leave it there. We have no control over ideal. I know.
- But just to let you know, there is an appointee on this commission from the Monroe County commissioners
- so that there is a county voice on the commission. Are you allowed to say who? It's Ross Carlson right
- now? I don't know him. I feel like I've been out
- like I left in 2020 to finish my- I don't know. It's not necessarily a staff member from county government.
- It may just be somebody that was interested that they appointed, but- Okay. Yeah. There is a little
- bit of- Well, I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. Hopefully, he comes to the meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.
- We've had somebody from IU. Right. IU sent somebody as well. At least there's some people- They're active.
- It's a good group and it's cohesive and we get along.
- I mean, yeah, that's great for 14. Yeah. My concern, I mean, I think everyone's concern is how do we
- have a sustainable community, but it's impulsive over everybody because more and more low income people
- are just being pushed in. Yeah. And that's a real dilemma that the commission is concerned about. Yeah,
- I can get behind that because I think I mentioned equity at the top of the
- conversation because I just feel that so acutely in Lawrence County on not necessarily sustainability
- topics, but in other ways. It's very much like I'm very mindful, I guess aware of how easy it can happen
- in equity. That is definitely something that
- I would, I hope it's like kind of front and center and all the big things that I, you know, consider
- or support or get behind. So yeah, it's kind of, I mean, planning can be very, can be very exclusionary
- sometimes or at least the whole way of doing it. Well, we're, we're struggling with Hopewell right now.
- So you know, yeah.
- I mean, I want to set the bar high in terms of including people. But, you know, I don't want to get
- in the weeds on that right now. Just to say that it's something that I think we need to do for not going
- to do it this time. We need to do it next iteration or something. Because, you know, I mean, just across
- the street, you saw people are being evicted, right? North. And right across Second Street, the county,
- Oh, yes. Jennifer's had to, you know. Oh, I thought those were like businesses, like insurance agencies.
- They're being evicted. Because there's a land swap with the Capital Improvement Board for the Convention
- Center. Oh, that Convention Center. Just kidding. Okay. Anyway.
- Well, I will say that the complexities of working for a community are not lost on me. They're part of
- it. I will say to the other lens that I'm using a lot these days is that I mentioned that we moved here
- to care for my aging parents and my dad ended up passing a few months after we arrived.
- He had Parkinson's and then my mother shortly after his passing. I mean, she's now got Lewy body and
- Parkinson's like and so. Where? My sibling, my I have. Not to give you my whole life story, but I have
- two siblings still in Colorado. We all and I have three siblings. We all ended up in Colorado for different
- reasons after graduating. Locally anyway, two are out there and then me and
- my oldest brother are here helping my mom. She's still in her house. The three of us live and walk in
- distance to each other, which was deliberate. But everything I do now, I am thinking about the aging
- cohort, the frail and fragile, which she wasn't always frail and fragile. She got to that point on the
- spectrum pretty quickly. But I think about she can't drive.
- So that immediately kicks in like what are transportation, you know, viable transportation options for
- my mom and, you know, proximity to, or even just access to good healthcare. So I feel like,
- and you know, this stuff does, it does lead over into sustainability. Um, especially if we're looking
- at, you know, community vitality, which if you're, if you don't have vitality in your community, then,
- It's all well and good to strive for sustainability, but you're missing a big piece of why you want
- that. It's the people and the systems, I think, that are the two big pieces of sustainability. That
- is why we're focusing on sustainability, for the people and for the system. Yeah, maximizing what human
- well-being. Yeah. I just noticed another lens that in addition to equity,
- that those among us that don't have the resources, don't have the physical faculties, don't want to
- leave behind. That's most vulnerable. Definitely. Exactly. Least choices, most vulnerable. Yes. Well,
- thank you very much. Well, thank you all. Next regularly scheduled meeting is April 22nd.
- We'll make a recommendation today and then our entire council will vote on it. Okay. At that time, and
- then you should hear from the deputy clerk shortly after. So I just sit tight then? Yes. Okay. That
- sounds good. I can do that. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you all as well. I really appreciate it.
- So best of luck. Nice to meet you. We are past-past-past, if not. Yeah.
- Maybe I'll see you on the farmers market or something. Yeah. Yeah. Take care. See y'all. Have a good
- one. Bye. All right. I think she's great. I think she's great. She's nearly the first class. It's heartfelt
- for her. Yeah. It goes a long way. It's not just an emotional thing. Well, I'm happy to entertain emotion.
- I move that we recommend to the full council the appointment of Rebecca Payne to see C3 of the Commission
- of Sustainability and Resilience. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? That passes. We will
- make a recommendation to appoint Rebecca Payne.
- I think that's where the Novak report comes in where it's saying, I know people have fill-ins about
- merging environmental and now because our or like if you don't merge, I think it also talked about maybe
- kind of reducing the number of people because I think it could hurt like corn. Yeah. So that's where
- that yeah, not advocating for anything. Just saying. Thank you. Anything else for the good of the order?
- He took care of the appointments. If y'all could just get together and we can send an email
- about availability because I can reach out to Cassidy and James for sure. Could we do before our next
- meeting on the 15th by 45 to 60 support liberation session? It's the 15th.
- Next question. Yes. Before deliberation, yeah. What time? 5.45. Not sure. Because it's just one interview.
- Did we want to do them together as a group interview or separate? I don't know. I think we typically
- interview for the same thing together. It usually works pretty well.
- Can we see if that works for both of them? Yep. Thank you very much. And does that work for you? Yeah,
- it'll be. Okay. Yeah, next Wednesday. Yes. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Team C. Team C. They
- have t-shirts. Team C. Team C. Next Wednesday's texted. Yeah. Is that a call by account?
- Yeah, but other than that, that's it for our team seed. Yay! So we don't have any other vacancies except
- for the, you know, there's a bifurcation. How are things going with everything since we're, you know,
- we're without a staff? You know, honestly, I think it's fine. I think we are obviously trying to work
- with the council to
- like do packet and things like that. So I think that's honestly working just fine. Yeah, we really,
- yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a teamwork and I know we got scheduling meeting in the morning. So yeah, you
- just want to adjourn. You're all set. Okay. No objections? No. Time for chow. Feeding is? Feeding my
- cat. Adjourned.