WEBVTT 00:00:00.290 --> 00:00:08.077 - I'll call this meeting to order. And, um, I guess one thing about attendance first. This is Interview 00:00:08.077 --> 00:00:16.093 - Committee student. I am Councilmember Sidney Zulek, District 6. And I'm going to put my phone on silent. 00:00:16.093 --> 00:00:24.185 - Councilmember is about Pete Mott Smith, District 1. Jennifer Crossley, Deputy Clerk. David Aloe, District 00:00:24.185 --> 00:00:29.758 - 4 Council. Great. So real quick, you have an interview that's coming up. 00:00:30.210 --> 00:00:38.414 - I almost said two. There were supposed to be two people, Sarah and Rebecca. Sarah Brinkman emailed back 00:00:38.414 --> 00:00:46.538 - after going back and forth with me a couple of different times and has decided to not attend tonight's 00:00:46.538 --> 00:00:54.584 - meeting. I wanted to clarify, does that mean she's withdrawing her application? And I'm still waiting 00:00:54.584 --> 00:00:58.686 - to hear back, so. OK, you only have Rebecca at six. 00:00:58.946 --> 00:01:12.640 - Yes, I agree. Great. Okay. If we only have one appointment. Correct. And is that the seat who currently 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:26.334 - holds that? That's the seat that's currently occupied by Matt Austin. Okay. Thank you. Well, I was just 00:01:27.234 --> 00:01:36.955 - don't have it in front of me but there was a uh at the last because meeting there was um a list of of 00:01:36.955 --> 00:01:47.153 - because members and matt austin was on it and it seemed that he was reappointed and i i remember otherwise 00:01:47.153 --> 00:01:54.110 - but i do see that his term runs from 48 wait a minute his term runs from 00:01:54.306 --> 00:02:04.346 - April 8th, 2026 to April 8th, 2026. Why everybody's dead. What does that mean? That's probably just 00:02:04.346 --> 00:02:14.385 - that he had 90 days to. Well, that's today's day. Yes, it is. So was it me? I'm looking actually at 00:02:14.385 --> 00:02:22.718 - the site of commissioners. Oh, and on board it says. He is an interim appointment. 00:02:23.074 --> 00:02:33.281 - to 126 to 131 28. Yeah, okay. Interim appointment until when? Well, that's weird that it's showing like 00:02:33.281 --> 00:02:43.292 - that because technically his term was up at the end of January of this year. And so onboard does this 00:02:43.292 --> 00:02:46.334 - weird automatic thing where it 00:02:46.562 --> 00:02:54.019 - If you haven't been appointed by that date, it used to say carryover. And so IT switched the term to 00:02:54.019 --> 00:03:01.551 - show that this technically is basically saying that they've not been reappointed yet. And so it looks 00:03:01.551 --> 00:03:09.230 - like if he were to be reappointed, that would be his new term, which would be 2-1 of this year and goes 00:03:09.230 --> 00:03:15.358 - through 1-31 of 2028. Right. And we have 30 days from January 31st to thrill them. 00:03:15.586 --> 00:03:24.685 - Or 90 days? 90. So that would be April 30th. Correct. Okay. So he has that like 90 day buffer day. Okay, 00:03:24.685 --> 00:03:33.437 - I understand. I have a couple other things that we need to talk about in the 10 minutes before. One, 00:03:33.437 --> 00:03:42.276 - Raynard Cross, who previously served on the Historic Preservation Commission as a mayoral appointment 00:03:42.276 --> 00:03:44.702 - in addition to Sam DeSolar, 00:03:45.186 --> 00:03:51.763 - they were not reappointed by Mayor Thompson. And I reached out to both of them because I've worked with 00:03:51.763 --> 00:03:58.213 - both of them just because of the planning that I've done with the deliberation sessions and I'm their 00:03:58.213 --> 00:04:04.600 - new liaison. And so I knew both of them. I asked both of them if they would be interested in serving 00:04:04.600 --> 00:04:11.114 - in a council role, even in spite of the fact that it's a non-voting seat just to continue on the board 00:04:11.114 --> 00:04:14.782 - and continue giving them perspective. Sam turned me down. 00:04:14.882 --> 00:04:23.602 - and said that he did not want to do it if he didn't have a vote, which I completely understand. Reynard 00:04:23.602 --> 00:04:32.406 - called me back last week and said that he was interested. If either of you would be interested in making 00:04:32.406 --> 00:04:41.126 - a motion to reappoint him, his application is already in there. We wouldn't need to. Yeah, we have zero 00:04:41.126 --> 00:04:43.390 - council members right now. 00:04:43.714 --> 00:04:58.183 - Historic preservation. His application is in here. Yes, scroll down. Reynard Cross. It's in the archived 00:04:58.183 --> 00:05:13.342 - on board. Yeah, since technically he was the mayoral appointment. Well, how long has he served? I don't know. 00:05:14.114 --> 00:05:23.546 - But so he, he knows the ropes. He comes with your recommendation. Yes. Okay. Cause I don't know that. 00:05:23.546 --> 00:05:32.792 - Looks like he's served since 2020. Two terms, two non-consecutive terms. No, those are consecutive. 00:05:32.792 --> 00:05:41.854 - 2020. 2020. Oh, you're right. It's a consecutive. Yeah. He's been on since the beginning of 2020. 00:05:46.338 --> 00:05:56.956 - That's fine with me. What's his name? Reynard Cross, R-E-Y-N-A-R-T. Yeah, I think I remember him from 00:05:56.956 --> 00:06:07.366 - our druggy meeting. Yes. Yes. I'm in a realty and property management company. I was impressed with 00:06:07.366 --> 00:06:16.318 - him. Yeah, I think he always has really thoughtful pieces to bring to the discussion. 00:06:17.602 --> 00:06:29.074 - Good. We don't have any other perhaps. You got a new one that came through and then remember Cassie 00:06:29.074 --> 00:06:41.005 - Shelton was one that we didn't know her address and so now that we confirmed it that she does live with 00:06:41.005 --> 00:06:43.070 - that city limits. 00:06:44.450 --> 00:06:53.421 - So we should look at both of those as well. And we have four slots. I think we decided that we I think 00:06:53.421 --> 00:07:02.305 - we decided that we wanted to interview Cassie if she did live in city limits. Okay. And then can you? 00:07:02.305 --> 00:07:09.534 - And then there's a new one, James Hutchinson. Oh, not much information here. Okay. 00:07:13.282 --> 00:07:22.800 - Does this resume your birth certificate? No. Department. Holds a B.A. in history, Texas State University, 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:31.240 - pursuing a M.A. in history. Hmm. Experience with park interpretation, historical programming, 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:40.219 - social media. Yeah. Well, I think that would at least be a different perspective to bring. We could 00:07:40.219 --> 00:07:41.566 - interview him. 00:07:42.850 --> 00:07:51.813 - And it looks like 530 North Lincoln Street, Apartment 5. I think that's almost certainly a renter. And 00:07:51.813 --> 00:08:00.689 - it would be awesome to have a renter on HPC. 530 North Lincoln, that may even be a historic district. 00:08:00.689 --> 00:08:07.998 - I think that might be Cottage Grove. The one that's coming to us. Yeah, I think so. 00:08:10.466 --> 00:08:23.635 - Sure, let's talk to James and Cassie. Would you like to make a motion? I will move that we invite James 00:08:23.635 --> 00:08:36.425 - Hutchison and Cassie Shelton to interview for the HPC. Second. So since all of you are here, you can 00:08:36.425 --> 00:08:40.350 - do a voice vote. All in favor? 00:08:40.738 --> 00:08:52.227 - of appointing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison. No, of interviewing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison 00:08:52.227 --> 00:09:03.497 - for the Historic Preservation Commission. Aye. All opposed? Great. I'll make another motion to appoint 00:09:03.497 --> 00:09:10.718 - Raynard Cross to seat C1 of the Historic Preservation Commission. 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:24.571 - Certainly if I can see just became vacant because remember drew hair was in there. Oh Yes All in favor 00:09:24.571 --> 00:09:38.454 - I all opposed Sam sign that passes and That concludes our business for the Historic Preservation Commission 00:09:38.454 --> 00:09:40.382 - Something else 00:09:40.482 --> 00:09:48.606 - that I have been recently been made aware of just because I know we all have our own feelings about 00:09:48.606 --> 00:09:56.893 - the arts commission and someone being removed because they were a county resident. I've recently been 00:09:56.893 --> 00:10:05.098 - made aware that the president of the board of transit or the BT's board lives in Florida. What? Like 00:10:05.098 --> 00:10:09.566 - it owns property in Bloomington but made a stink about 00:10:10.786 --> 00:10:19.519 - paying Indiana taxes because Florida doesn't charge us a child's access. Where do they declare the residency 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:27.691 - in Florida? Yeah. Is that one of ours? No, it's one of Mayor Thompson's. No, but it's that board, one 00:10:27.691 --> 00:10:35.783 - of our boards. We make appointments to it. Oh, well, I think it's- No, we don't make appointments to 00:10:35.783 --> 00:10:40.350 - Bloomington Transit, but I wanted to bring it up because 00:10:40.738 --> 00:10:50.032 - I'm curious to what your thoughts are. I'm happy to talk to Gary, but you guys are my interview team, 00:10:50.032 --> 00:10:59.234 - so I wanted to see what you guys thought first. Yeah, I would say that's not appropriate. You've got 00:10:59.234 --> 00:11:07.070 - to be a resident in Bloomington. I would expect. I guess they do the migration thing. 00:11:08.354 --> 00:11:15.174 - retired people do, where they spend half of the year. Yeah, the year in Florida. Well, that's what I 00:11:15.174 --> 00:11:22.130 - was asking. Yeah, but he- There's a primary residence, is it here or is it there? Something to inquire 00:11:22.130 --> 00:11:29.017 - about, I suppose. But these people get a stipend for their work, and so that was why he asked for the 00:11:29.017 --> 00:11:35.230 - Florida tax instead of the Indiana tax that he was receiving from BT to serve on the board. 00:11:38.466 --> 00:11:48.885 - Is this James McCleary? Yes. Wow. He's been serving on it on time. Yes, he is. From what I know, he's 00:11:48.885 --> 00:11:59.304 - fairly anti-transit. He's very focused on turning everything into micro-transit. Well, I think that's 00:11:59.304 --> 00:12:06.046 - worth looking into. Yeah, he's in the middle of a four-year term. 00:12:06.338 --> 00:12:15.313 - He was very recently reaffirmed it. It says his term was 8-1-24. Yeah, August. August of 2024. Yeah. 00:12:15.313 --> 00:12:24.556 - Somebody from Mayor Thompson's office should call and find out where he declares his primary residence. 00:12:24.556 --> 00:12:34.153 - Yeah. I mean, yeah. But it's really not up to her to do it. Yeah. Or her office to do it. I guess- Couldn't 00:12:34.153 --> 00:12:35.486 - fall to- Yeah. 00:12:36.354 --> 00:12:43.860 - I just wanted to see what you guys thought, because for me, it's frustrating to have someone who's across 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:50.942 - the street from the city being denied representation on a board. Now we've got someone who lives in 00:12:50.942 --> 00:12:58.378 - a completely other state sharing a board that makes really impactful decisions for all of our residents. 00:12:58.378 --> 00:13:06.238 - I just wanted to bring it up. I'm happy to talk to Mayor Thompson about it. I just wanted to talk to you both. 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:17.653 - First. Yeah, I think it's he should be made aware of. OK, right. Thank you. I would just leave has. 00:13:17.653 --> 00:13:29.162 - Has everybody had a chance to touch base with the? Entities you're liaising with. Yes. Yes, I need to 00:13:29.162 --> 00:13:34.014 - reach out to the new chair of the Pulitzer 00:13:45.026 --> 00:13:57.189 - Is that going OK for everybody? Yeah, I mean, I. I'm supposed to be liaison to the RTC. You know they 00:13:57.189 --> 00:14:09.352 - keep having these executive sessions, so I don't really know what's going on. Hello, we definitely in 00:14:09.352 --> 00:14:14.718 - the right spot. 150 and 160 clean it. Sorry. 00:14:14.882 --> 00:14:21.844 - Oh, that's fine. Welcome. Yeah, that's fine. Welcome. I love your big phone case. Ah, thanks. Circle 00:14:21.844 --> 00:14:28.875 - around it. Sure. I'm gonna back up, by the way. Hi, nice to meet you. I'm Isabelle P. Mott Smith. Hi, 00:14:28.875 --> 00:14:35.837 - nice to meet you, as well. I'm Dave. Hi, Dave. Rollo. And I'm Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. Hello, nice to 00:14:35.837 --> 00:14:43.006 - officially meet you. Thank you. Welcome. So this is gonna be informal. Just gonna ask you a couple, um, 00:14:43.298 --> 00:14:50.881 - subject matter questions and then logistical questions. And then in a few weeks, no matter what the 00:14:50.881 --> 00:14:58.465 - outcome is, you will hear back from our lovely deputy clerk, Ms. Jennifer Crossley. And then you're 00:14:58.465 --> 00:15:06.124 - welcome to ask us any questions. Does anyone want to get started? I can ask what I always have as my 00:15:06.124 --> 00:15:10.750 - first question, and that's what made you decide to apply for 00:15:11.074 --> 00:15:19.909 - position on the Commission on Sustainability and Resilience? Yeah. I guess I've always been civic-minded 00:15:19.909 --> 00:15:28.913 - and always feel a call to participate and be active in my community. I spotted the notice in the newspaper 00:15:28.913 --> 00:15:37.496 - that the city was looking for seats on a variety of boards. I just took a minute and read through it. 00:15:37.496 --> 00:15:40.862 - This commission sounds like right up my 00:15:40.994 --> 00:15:50.006 - Allie in terms of the things I personally care about and what I want for my community as well and where 00:15:50.006 --> 00:15:58.671 - I live. So, yeah. All right. What are the things that interest you most about sustainability? Well, 00:15:58.671 --> 00:16:07.509 - I'm a mother, so I have children that I would like to be able to experience the world in the same way 00:16:07.509 --> 00:16:09.502 - or in the same sort of 00:16:09.602 --> 00:16:19.736 - good way that I've been able to experience it. So I have this desire to pass along a world that my kids 00:16:19.736 --> 00:16:29.968 - and other people can drive in. So part of that requires keeping our environment, our systems sustainable 00:16:29.968 --> 00:16:39.518 - and resilient so that we can continue to improve them and not have to worry about repairing them. 00:16:40.354 --> 00:16:50.870 - I'm a huge hiker. I came from Colorado. The natural environment is near and dear to my heart. I want 00:16:50.870 --> 00:17:01.698 - to be able to share that to everybody. That's the other side of the same coin. I understand that I have 00:17:01.698 --> 00:17:05.758 - the opportunities to take advantage of 00:17:06.306 --> 00:17:13.691 - Like our built environment in our natural environment, but not everybody does. So the equity piece of 00:17:13.691 --> 00:17:21.004 - sustainability and resilience. Resiliency is also kind of high on top of my mind. Great. Yeah, yeah, 00:17:21.004 --> 00:17:28.317 - you're an educator, right? You're with Purdue Extension. So I'm a Health and Human Sciences educator 00:17:28.317 --> 00:17:34.110 - in Lawrence County, so Bedford Mitchell. And so that's been a really wonderful. 00:17:36.258 --> 00:17:42.360 - You know, it's a rural population. And so it's been a great sort of all my work up to date has been. 00:17:42.360 --> 00:17:48.886 - I mean, I've, I've had a lot of experience working with municipalities. My, my background is urban planning 00:17:48.886 --> 00:17:55.230 - in alternative modes, actually. But then I got grew interested in the intersection of like public health 00:17:55.230 --> 00:18:01.634 - and urban planning. And so recently got my degree in public health and wanted to do like community health 00:18:01.634 --> 00:18:03.870 - and vitality. And so anyway down and 00:18:04.610 --> 00:18:12.242 - Lawrence County, it's been my first opportunity to work with rural population, which is different. 00:18:12.242 --> 00:18:19.951 - I mean, it's just different than a more, I wouldn't say Bloomington is cosmopolitan, but it's a lot 00:18:19.951 --> 00:18:27.660 - bigger than. We like to think we have, but yeah. It's just different. The assets are different down 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:32.286 - there. The motivating factors are different. I'm not saying 00:18:32.642 --> 00:18:39.256 - worse, they're just different. So it's been a really good opportunity to get some exposure to that and 00:18:39.256 --> 00:18:45.807 - try to make an impact there as it relates to community health. But you live here in Bloomington? I do 00:18:45.807 --> 00:18:52.550 - live here in Bloomington, yeah. So I'm a Hoosier. I grew up in Indianapolis, but I spent all my summers, 00:18:52.550 --> 00:18:59.036 - all my childhood summers in a little town called Huron, which is in Lawrence County, the very bottom 00:18:59.036 --> 00:18:59.742 - by Shoals. 00:18:59.906 --> 00:19:09.564 - Yeah, it's right off 50. Yeah, it's tiny. Lawrence County has all, in fact, we, my collective family, 00:19:09.564 --> 00:19:19.222 - still owns property down in here on about 75 acres that we have in forest conservation. I don't know, 00:19:19.222 --> 00:19:27.838 - I just felt a pull to go down there. It's awesome. Sometimes working in your community is, 00:19:28.482 --> 00:19:37.859 - that has its own set of challenges compared to if you go and be an outsider. So that was actually, yeah, 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:47.058 - it's worked well for me. Cool. So what do you think are the major threats to sustainability? Well, are 00:19:47.058 --> 00:19:57.150 - you asking for Bloomington proper or just? It could be global for that matter. I mean, we're all connected, but. 00:19:57.506 --> 00:20:10.304 - You said this is 20 minute interview. How I would answer that is, not everybody is on the same page 00:20:10.304 --> 00:20:23.998 - as it relates to where we are with the need for sustainability and resiliency planning or resilient plans. 00:20:24.098 --> 00:20:30.711 - you know, got a lot of deniers out there about some of the things that are, that we know for a fact 00:20:30.711 --> 00:20:37.588 - are actually influencing sustainability. So I feel like that's a pretty big problem. Just the fact that 00:20:37.588 --> 00:20:44.598 - we kind of have, there's not a united outlook on it, which is, you know, not like, there's lots of things 00:20:44.598 --> 00:20:51.409 - that where there's disagreement on what the issue is or what the reality is. But I do feel like that's 00:20:51.409 --> 00:20:52.798 - a huge, I mean, the, 00:20:52.962 --> 00:21:02.382 - Climate denial, for example, that's a very huge barrier, especially when we're seeing it in political 00:21:02.382 --> 00:21:11.986 - realms that have the ability to affect policy or made policy. I feel like that's a hurdle. I don't know 00:21:11.986 --> 00:21:21.406 - what that would require. I don't know how you would persuade or inform somebody that is so set on not 00:21:22.978 --> 00:21:32.802 - I guess, reading the science or seeing the live reality of some of the things that are affecting our 00:21:32.802 --> 00:21:42.722 - planet right now, like heat waves and droughts. I would say collectively, that's a big one. We're not 00:21:42.722 --> 00:21:52.254 - all believers yet. That interests me because I've grown really tired of this polarity in society. 00:21:52.610 --> 00:21:59.733 - um and so I've joined a couple groups that are filled with people across the political spectrum and 00:21:59.733 --> 00:22:07.070 - what I found is that there is some commonality so and anyway I'll get to this question in a second but 00:22:07.070 --> 00:22:14.478 - like for instance like microplastics it's amazing how many MAGA people eat organic food because they're 00:22:14.478 --> 00:22:19.678 - worried about it and of course there was just a nature vapor that showed 00:22:20.290 --> 00:22:27.475 - know cadaver brain cadavers have the equivalent of a plastic spoon but it's in everything in your brain 00:22:27.475 --> 00:22:34.798 - uh and it's growing by 50 every eight years and so that they're aware of they're threatened by ai because 00:22:34.798 --> 00:22:41.775 - they're worried about their jobs so you know there are points of agreement and then there are points 00:22:41.775 --> 00:22:45.022 - where you know it's very polarized but i'm i'm 00:22:45.378 --> 00:22:56.505 - Do you think that your work there and your background in health can bridge that? I would like to think 00:22:56.505 --> 00:23:07.525 - that as an educator and an informer. Yeah, I guess you never stop trying to spread the knowledge. And 00:23:07.525 --> 00:23:12.062 - we know information changes all the time. 00:23:12.354 --> 00:23:24.012 - I feel like being an educator, I feel like I'm responsible for keeping up with what the science is saying. 00:23:24.012 --> 00:23:35.126 - Who else do you look to for information about what's impacting our environment in this sense? It's my 00:23:35.126 --> 00:23:40.574 - responsibility to keep seeking the most, I guess, 00:23:41.762 --> 00:23:50.658 - vetted information, most credible information to share that. Back to the polarity thing, it's everywhere. 00:23:50.658 --> 00:23:59.386 - It's not just on the topic of sustainability. I face it every single day, just even on a personal level 00:23:59.386 --> 00:24:07.779 - because my personal values with the majority of the people I'm down teaching in Lawrence County are 00:24:07.779 --> 00:24:08.702 - different. 00:24:09.218 --> 00:24:16.931 - But I just have to remind myself that, like, you know, in my role as an educator and using evidence-based 00:24:16.931 --> 00:24:24.281 - information coming from Purdue University, like, I feel good about that, that I am sharing out what, 00:24:24.281 --> 00:24:31.631 - you know, is pretty objective information, despite the fact that, like, I'm among people that, like, 00:24:31.631 --> 00:24:38.398 - work night and day on our personal outlets. So, I mean, yeah, hilarity, like, that's a huge, 00:24:39.202 --> 00:24:47.190 - It's a huge obstacle, but I think it's like, you know, on the time spectrum, maybe that the polarity 00:24:47.190 --> 00:24:55.258 - gap closes as information comes out. The only way to do it is to keep talking. I agree. Yeah. And you 00:24:55.258 --> 00:25:03.167 - seem to be doing that. So I'm very impressed by that. Well, thank you. I feel passionate. You know, 00:25:03.167 --> 00:25:04.670 - it's like you it's 00:25:04.930 --> 00:25:12.682 - I think about, I'm going to use an example. I actually quite like Orange County. I don't share your 00:25:12.682 --> 00:25:20.976 - values, but I can see that there's a lot of well-meaning people down there and what drives their decisions 00:25:20.976 --> 00:25:28.727 - and the way they think is different than the way I do it. That's the way we all roll in this world. 00:25:28.727 --> 00:25:31.518 - But if I think about something like 00:25:31.778 --> 00:25:39.375 - you know, a topic like a controversial topic, like, well, I feel like it's becoming more controversial, 00:25:39.375 --> 00:25:47.046 - but prescribed birds, you know, like there's a lot of the hunters down there are like, please, you know, 00:25:47.046 --> 00:25:54.643 - click, maintain these forests for us because it, you know, they see the value in that. And then there's 00:25:54.643 --> 00:26:00.926 - other, you know, there's other opinions on prescribed burns that just don't see don't 00:26:01.186 --> 00:26:08.080 - I guess it would feel like the hunters wouldn't, like that's one issue where the hunters are sort of 00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:14.428 - in my camp. Not to call it my camp, but like, I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can 00:26:14.428 --> 00:26:21.663 - find commonalities. You just, they just, you ride out of limit or I guess, yeah, unusual ways. And that's 00:26:21.663 --> 00:26:28.694 - been my trick. It's like, I mean, who doesn't want to feel well and live optimally? Like, I think most 00:26:28.694 --> 00:26:29.854 - of us want that. 00:26:30.402 --> 00:26:38.762 - To me, it's just like we have to get there. Our language may be different, but we can still try to talk 00:26:38.762 --> 00:26:46.882 - and think about it. The constituent meeting and people were against the prescribed burn or they were 00:26:46.882 --> 00:26:54.438 - skeptical. But my background in biology says it's a good thing. It reduces ticks, by the way. 00:26:54.438 --> 00:26:59.422 - But in any case, I know that's dynamic. It's interesting that 00:26:59.618 --> 00:27:06.955 - I mean, I was for deer hunting in Griffey because of ecological, because it was crashing in terms of 00:27:06.955 --> 00:27:14.510 - its biodiversity, because of deer overpopulation. And I ran into, people were very sympathetic to deer. 00:27:14.510 --> 00:27:21.774 - And it was quite a clash, but I was, the hunters understood it. Now we have it, now they donate all 00:27:21.774 --> 00:27:28.094 - to the food bank. Anyway, there are ways in which we can, we intersect and we can talk 00:27:28.482 --> 00:27:36.116 - to each other, I think, and I'm impressed that you do that, and so that's really cool. I'm not really 00:27:36.116 --> 00:27:43.825 - well-informed about prescribed burns, so maybe I picked them up. That's not the specialization at this 00:27:43.825 --> 00:27:50.636 - point. That's what I was trying to relay. You will not have to make that type of decision. 00:27:50.636 --> 00:27:58.046 - My point was, yeah, you can find some unexpected common ground if you just communicate. So anyway. 00:27:58.466 --> 00:28:06.365 - Well, Council member Roland serves on the commission. You would be working with him appointed to you. 00:28:06.365 --> 00:28:14.342 - Can you talk about the logistics? Because I don't remember the exact day. It's the second Tuesday from 00:28:14.342 --> 00:28:22.241 - six until 7.30. It's really pretty. I mean, we adjourned exactly at 7.30. I appreciate that. It means 00:28:22.241 --> 00:28:25.726 - that we're really officially by Justin Bass. 00:28:26.370 --> 00:28:36.141 - We've taken on topics lately of toxic chemicals in the community, particularly what the city is using, 00:28:36.141 --> 00:28:46.007 - understanding and looking at that. We've been focused on local food and trying to promote that. There's 00:28:46.007 --> 00:28:56.062 - a lot going on in our subcommittees. Generally, what you do then is you might land in a subcommittee with 00:28:56.162 --> 00:29:03.885 - or three other people kind of working on something, kind of researching and bringing back that information 00:29:03.885 --> 00:29:11.391 - to the group. And lately the group's been very interested in bringing either legislation like chickens, 00:29:11.391 --> 00:29:18.681 - that's another thing they want to explain, chicken flocks, to resolutions to the council. So they've 00:29:18.681 --> 00:29:20.702 - been very active and really 00:29:20.994 --> 00:29:27.284 - The commissions go like that sometimes in terms of who's on it and how busy they are and what they're 00:29:27.284 --> 00:29:33.513 - interested in. But this one has really got a lot of cohesion right now. It's really working a lot of 00:29:33.513 --> 00:29:39.680 - good stuff. It's encouraging. Yeah. Can you commit to that time? Yes, I already. I did notice there 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:45.847 - was one conflict that I might have farther or later in the year. Okay. But otherwise, I'm free. You 00:29:45.847 --> 00:29:48.190 - mean just for a single meeting? Yeah. 00:29:48.290 --> 00:29:58.215 - Oh yeah, that's not a problem. And you could zoom. I have two kids going off to college, so I don't 00:29:58.215 --> 00:30:08.238 - know how in the fall that I'm doing some drop-offs and that was the one. So, and then subcommittees, 00:30:08.238 --> 00:30:14.590 - maybe you might want to land on one that serves your interests. 00:30:14.914 --> 00:30:35.923 - What are the subcommittees? Just one on waste reduction. You have one on transportation. I'm sorry. 00:30:35.923 --> 00:30:38.654 - My brain is. 00:30:38.946 --> 00:30:45.268 - Anyway, you can find it. Have you been to any meetings or have you seen it online? I've been poking 00:30:45.268 --> 00:30:51.652 - around. I think the dashboard is awesome. Check it out. I can send you information. Then I read some 00:30:51.652 --> 00:30:57.974 - other resolutions, but I don't know if I drilled down into the subcommittees. I don't know if I saw 00:30:57.974 --> 00:31:04.485 - or where to go for that. So is the commission, what size is it? How many people are on the commission? 00:31:04.485 --> 00:31:07.646 - I think 14. Yeah, it's bigger than it used to be. 00:31:08.898 --> 00:31:18.676 - because we had it coming and so many different universities there. Okay. Some of them are in the big 00:31:18.676 --> 00:31:28.745 - commission actually. Yeah, so it's really active conditional. I think we've made some really good gains 00:31:28.745 --> 00:31:38.814 - in terms of sustainability. Isabel was all about it for many years in the green buildings and so forth. 00:31:39.522 --> 00:31:49.494 - We've done chickens. They've started this commission back in 2003. It was very controversial in 2003. 00:31:49.494 --> 00:31:59.466 - In 2003. 2003. I graduated from IU in 1996. I've been around here since 1985. When did the commission 00:31:59.466 --> 00:32:09.438 - begin? I started it in 2005. I just said it's 20th anniversary. I don't have any children, but that's 00:32:09.666 --> 00:32:17.975 - My child. Yeah, I have a few kids. Well, let me say your child is probably cheaper than looking at the 00:32:17.975 --> 00:32:26.283 - college tuition. Where are they going anyway? My son is going to Western Washington, so I couldn't get 00:32:26.283 --> 00:32:34.753 - the Western portion of the nation out of him because we we moved here in 2019. So I've been in the front 00:32:34.753 --> 00:32:36.286 - range of Colorado. 00:32:36.386 --> 00:32:45.202 - Since I graduated in 96 so but then moved back to help my aging parents. So he's going to Western Washington 00:32:45.202 --> 00:32:49.246 - and then my daughter is going to DePaul, which is 00:32:49.474 --> 00:32:57.139 - up in Chicago, which is usually because she was looking at schools in England. I'm very grateful that 00:32:57.139 --> 00:33:04.653 - she's not going across the pond. She's from my motherly heart. A few hours away. Yeah. I've been in 00:33:04.653 --> 00:33:12.318 - Bloomington for seven years. Yeah, I have. You went to school here. I got my bachelor's here and then 00:33:12.318 --> 00:33:19.006 - a master's here. Then I got a master's in public health at IUB. Then I got a master's in 00:33:19.362 --> 00:33:26.542 - Urban and regional planning at University of Colorado Denver. So, so I was just gonna say, so I wanted 00:33:26.542 --> 00:33:33.861 - to go back to Dave's question, but focus it more on Bloomington. Are there certain sustainability things 00:33:33.861 --> 00:33:41.250 - or benchmarks that you think Bloomington should focus on? Well, I know that hands are tied to some degree 00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:43.550 - because of state legislation and 00:33:43.778 --> 00:33:52.956 - But the electric car incentives, I feel like we missed the boat, especially if we compare it to Colorado, 00:33:52.956 --> 00:34:02.133 - because I have siblings that still live in Colorado, and they both had amazing incentives to buy. They're 00:34:02.133 --> 00:34:10.878 - paying $19 a month for the newest, I don't know, one of the newest electric model cars. $19 a month? 00:34:11.842 --> 00:34:22.636 - least, but I mean, that's actually incredible. And their infrastructure is, you know, they've got, they 00:34:22.636 --> 00:34:33.222 - have prioritized, you know, electric refuelings, or, you know, electric stations, plugins. So I would 00:34:33.222 --> 00:34:36.958 - say like, you know, that seems like 00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:45.617 - Okay, nothing's low hanging fruit, but like the electric car. And if you look at the automobile industry, 00:34:45.617 --> 00:34:53.436 - I feel like we should jump on that as a community to the extent that that's possible. But like I said, 00:34:53.436 --> 00:35:01.028 - I know there's some other streamless plane, the inevitability of that. So the electric vehicles and 00:35:01.028 --> 00:35:02.622 - then solar panels. I 00:35:04.226 --> 00:35:12.306 - I feel like the campaign to go solar in Boulder when I was there was just like in your face. And so 00:35:12.306 --> 00:35:20.628 - it was in a good way. So it was like, yeah, just go ahead and get solar. Everybody's doing it. So it's 00:35:20.628 --> 00:35:28.870 - kind of like the seatbelt campaign. Eventually, it was just like, you just get solar. Not quite that. 00:35:28.870 --> 00:35:31.294 - I mean, back to equity stuff. 00:35:31.970 --> 00:35:39.049 - not quite as simple as just putting your seatbelt on, but I'm just saying like the knowledge out there, 00:35:39.049 --> 00:35:46.264 - the campaigning around it and it's important and how easy it is or could be to you and all the incentives 00:35:46.264 --> 00:35:53.070 - like that seemed like a real easy push that the communities rolled out there. So we have done quite 00:35:53.070 --> 00:36:00.013 - a bit. Yes. And I don't mean to sound like critical of anything done or not done. I wish we could see 00:36:00.013 --> 00:36:00.830 - more solar. 00:36:01.122 --> 00:36:09.201 - So we actually have business development grants to do solar for local businesses in certain areas in 00:36:09.201 --> 00:36:17.520 - the community. But we could definitely expand that. The other thing is like our comps just aren't there 00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:25.519 - when it comes to making people aware of the opportunities that are available. So something I'd love 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.278 - to see. And the state is more backward, I see. 00:36:30.402 --> 00:36:39.500 - They've gone back on solar. We could have expanded it more for legislation. I know. Well, I was going 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:48.419 - to ask, so when I first moved back in 2019, I worked for the Monroe County Planning Department. I'm 00:36:48.419 --> 00:36:57.606 - just curious about your relationship with, I was thinking about I actually permitted some solar panels 00:36:57.606 --> 00:36:59.390 - for a church off of 00:37:02.082 --> 00:37:10.567 - One of the east-west streets that has three names down south. A rural road. Something or Moores Pike 00:37:10.567 --> 00:37:19.220 - or- Moores Pike Hillside Country Club. Something like, yeah, all that. It has one road. Yeah. How does 00:37:19.220 --> 00:37:27.874 - your commission, I mean, I know you're an ally or hopefully are an ally, but how does your commission, 00:37:27.874 --> 00:37:30.142 - what's the dynamic between 00:37:30.626 --> 00:37:39.240 - the commission and like zoning and permitted use type stuff. Like when it comes to like solar panels 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:47.940 - or backyard chickens or flock chickens or. Right. Well, I mean, they have been involved. The council, 00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:56.981 - the commission has been involved in the UDL and then things like that. And actually we're doing revisions 00:37:56.981 --> 00:38:00.222 - on the UDL soon. And I think, I mean, 00:38:00.386 --> 00:38:08.391 - I assume that they'll be involved in the process. David Hittle, who's the Director of Planning 00:38:08.391 --> 00:38:16.985 - and Transportation is coming with us on various UDO amendments and it'd be interesting to see if some 00:38:16.985 --> 00:38:25.749 - of this stuff gets inserted as well. Do you have an opinion about it? I think that the commission could 00:38:25.749 --> 00:38:30.046 - be an advocate for some of the zoning changes that 00:38:30.786 --> 00:38:38.540 - would increase sustainability. Yeah, I mean, I know it's a hot, hot button, but just the whole, 00:38:38.540 --> 00:38:46.940 - the AVU, like, you know, allowing even, I mean, I'm more familiar with Monroe County's zoning ordinance 00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:55.259 - than I am, City of Bloomington's, but like the duplexes or granny flats, like, I mean, all of that is, 00:38:55.259 --> 00:38:58.974 - you know, in the direction of sustainability. 00:38:59.170 --> 00:39:07.600 - But it's hard to get some of that zoned or it's hard to push that through some of the regulations that 00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:15.785 - are on the books at the moment. So just curious about if the commission has encountered that in any 00:39:15.785 --> 00:39:24.542 - of their initiatives. Something you could discuss, actually. Seriously, but I know David Hittle is looking 00:39:24.706 --> 00:39:31.330 - um for instance uh 80 years and expanding with us finding ways in which those could be because it's 00:39:31.330 --> 00:39:38.484 - been tested and people are now accustomed to the only thing that we could continue expanding for propensity 00:39:38.484 --> 00:39:45.241 - purposes uh that's good to hear yeah yeah i mean there i i was on the other side of the of the of the 00:39:45.241 --> 00:39:51.998 - zoning up zoning um but we don't have to talk about that right now but but i was coming i had a mixed 00:39:52.834 --> 00:40:01.194 - Yeah. Because I saw it threatening some of the housing stuff. Yeah. Well, I feel like we have the added 00:40:01.194 --> 00:40:09.233 - complication of the university. Yeah. That's a big one. Which has muddy the water on this, I think, 00:40:09.233 --> 00:40:17.593 - for just various reasons. But I mean, I can see where you might have some concerns about high intensity 00:40:17.593 --> 00:40:18.718 - as it relates 00:40:18.882 --> 00:40:25.521 - potentially more traffic if there's no other infrastructure there that's like alternative mode related 00:40:25.521 --> 00:40:32.288 - you know like it's it's a bit complicated but i think that you know i find points of agreement certainly 00:40:32.288 --> 00:40:38.927 - with higher density because more density you have less volume so i've always been in favor of like but 00:40:38.927 --> 00:40:45.630 - you know as you said the university kind of distorts the whole thing because you end up with like large 00:40:45.890 --> 00:40:55.848 - multi-family and things like that. Are they sustainable? Well, they probably have a 20-year lifespan, 00:40:55.848 --> 00:41:06.099 - honestly, and things like that. I'm critical to the university in terms of that they might have operated 00:41:06.099 --> 00:41:14.398 - differently. But anyway, I'll leave it there. We have no control over ideal. I know. 00:41:14.658 --> 00:41:21.936 - But just to let you know, there is an appointee on this commission from the Monroe County commissioners 00:41:21.936 --> 00:41:29.145 - so that there is a county voice on the commission. Are you allowed to say who? It's Ross Carlson right 00:41:29.145 --> 00:41:32.574 - now? I don't know him. I feel like I've been out 00:41:32.706 --> 00:41:39.434 - like I left in 2020 to finish my- I don't know. It's not necessarily a staff member from county government. 00:41:39.434 --> 00:41:45.664 - It may just be somebody that was interested that they appointed, but- Okay. Yeah. There is a little 00:41:45.664 --> 00:41:52.144 - bit of- Well, I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. Hopefully, he comes to the meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. 00:41:52.144 --> 00:41:58.810 - We've had somebody from IU. Right. IU sent somebody as well. At least there's some people- They're active. 00:41:58.810 --> 00:42:02.174 - It's a good group and it's cohesive and we get along. 00:42:03.106 --> 00:42:10.613 - I mean, yeah, that's great for 14. Yeah. My concern, I mean, I think everyone's concern is how do we 00:42:10.613 --> 00:42:18.342 - have a sustainable community, but it's impulsive over everybody because more and more low income people 00:42:18.342 --> 00:42:26.072 - are just being pushed in. Yeah. And that's a real dilemma that the commission is concerned about. Yeah, 00:42:26.072 --> 00:42:31.646 - I can get behind that because I think I mentioned equity at the top of the 00:42:31.938 --> 00:42:43.749 - conversation because I just feel that so acutely in Lawrence County on not necessarily sustainability 00:42:43.749 --> 00:42:55.907 - topics, but in other ways. It's very much like I'm very mindful, I guess aware of how easy it can happen 00:42:55.907 --> 00:43:01.118 - in equity. That is definitely something that 00:43:02.274 --> 00:43:11.486 - I would, I hope it's like kind of front and center and all the big things that I, you know, consider 00:43:11.486 --> 00:43:20.971 - or support or get behind. So yeah, it's kind of, I mean, planning can be very, can be very exclusionary 00:43:20.971 --> 00:43:30.457 - sometimes or at least the whole way of doing it. Well, we're, we're struggling with Hopewell right now. 00:43:30.457 --> 00:43:32.190 - So you know, yeah. 00:43:32.578 --> 00:43:39.503 - I mean, I want to set the bar high in terms of including people. But, you know, I don't want to get 00:43:39.503 --> 00:43:46.774 - in the weeds on that right now. Just to say that it's something that I think we need to do for not going 00:43:46.774 --> 00:43:54.044 - to do it this time. We need to do it next iteration or something. Because, you know, I mean, just across 00:43:54.044 --> 00:44:01.246 - the street, you saw people are being evicted, right? North. And right across Second Street, the county, 00:44:01.410 --> 00:44:12.004 - Oh, yes. Jennifer's had to, you know. Oh, I thought those were like businesses, like insurance agencies. 00:44:12.004 --> 00:44:22.597 - They're being evicted. Because there's a land swap with the Capital Improvement Board for the Convention 00:44:22.597 --> 00:44:29.054 - Center. Oh, that Convention Center. Just kidding. Okay. Anyway. 00:44:29.346 --> 00:44:38.570 - Well, I will say that the complexities of working for a community are not lost on me. They're part of 00:44:38.570 --> 00:44:47.976 - it. I will say to the other lens that I'm using a lot these days is that I mentioned that we moved here 00:44:47.976 --> 00:44:55.934 - to care for my aging parents and my dad ended up passing a few months after we arrived. 00:44:56.322 --> 00:45:03.368 - He had Parkinson's and then my mother shortly after his passing. I mean, she's now got Lewy body and 00:45:03.368 --> 00:45:10.554 - Parkinson's like and so. Where? My sibling, my I have. Not to give you my whole life story, but I have 00:45:10.554 --> 00:45:18.088 - two siblings still in Colorado. We all and I have three siblings. We all ended up in Colorado for different 00:45:18.088 --> 00:45:23.390 - reasons after graduating. Locally anyway, two are out there and then me and 00:45:23.778 --> 00:45:31.785 - my oldest brother are here helping my mom. She's still in her house. The three of us live and walk in 00:45:31.785 --> 00:45:39.714 - distance to each other, which was deliberate. But everything I do now, I am thinking about the aging 00:45:39.714 --> 00:45:47.800 - cohort, the frail and fragile, which she wasn't always frail and fragile. She got to that point on the 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.510 - spectrum pretty quickly. But I think about she can't drive. 00:45:52.930 --> 00:45:59.884 - So that immediately kicks in like what are transportation, you know, viable transportation options for 00:45:59.884 --> 00:46:06.094 - my mom and, you know, proximity to, or even just access to good healthcare. So I feel like, 00:46:06.094 --> 00:46:12.980 - and you know, this stuff does, it does lead over into sustainability. Um, especially if we're looking 00:46:12.980 --> 00:46:19.934 - at, you know, community vitality, which if you're, if you don't have vitality in your community, then, 00:46:20.834 --> 00:46:28.139 - It's all well and good to strive for sustainability, but you're missing a big piece of why you want 00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:35.444 - that. It's the people and the systems, I think, that are the two big pieces of sustainability. That 00:46:35.444 --> 00:46:43.040 - is why we're focusing on sustainability, for the people and for the system. Yeah, maximizing what human 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:48.446 - well-being. Yeah. I just noticed another lens that in addition to equity, 00:46:49.090 --> 00:46:59.094 - that those among us that don't have the resources, don't have the physical faculties, don't want to 00:46:59.094 --> 00:47:09.298 - leave behind. That's most vulnerable. Definitely. Exactly. Least choices, most vulnerable. Yes. Well, 00:47:09.298 --> 00:47:18.302 - thank you very much. Well, thank you all. Next regularly scheduled meeting is April 22nd. 00:47:18.498 --> 00:47:26.144 - We'll make a recommendation today and then our entire council will vote on it. Okay. At that time, and 00:47:26.144 --> 00:47:33.567 - then you should hear from the deputy clerk shortly after. So I just sit tight then? Yes. Okay. That 00:47:33.567 --> 00:47:40.989 - sounds good. I can do that. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you all as well. I really appreciate it. 00:47:40.989 --> 00:47:46.334 - So best of luck. Nice to meet you. We are past-past-past, if not. Yeah. 00:47:46.658 --> 00:47:56.158 - Maybe I'll see you on the farmers market or something. Yeah. Yeah. Take care. See y'all. Have a good 00:47:56.158 --> 00:48:06.317 - one. Bye. All right. I think she's great. I think she's great. She's nearly the first class. It's heartfelt 00:48:06.317 --> 00:48:16.382 - for her. Yeah. It goes a long way. It's not just an emotional thing. Well, I'm happy to entertain emotion. 00:48:16.610 --> 00:48:28.197 - I move that we recommend to the full council the appointment of Rebecca Payne to see C3 of the Commission 00:48:28.197 --> 00:48:39.455 - of Sustainability and Resilience. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? That passes. We will 00:48:39.455 --> 00:48:44.702 - make a recommendation to appoint Rebecca Payne. 00:48:45.186 --> 00:49:13.534 - I think that's where the Novak report comes in where it's saying, I know people have fill-ins about 00:49:15.010 --> 00:49:23.911 - merging environmental and now because our or like if you don't merge, I think it also talked about maybe 00:49:23.911 --> 00:49:32.473 - kind of reducing the number of people because I think it could hurt like corn. Yeah. So that's where 00:49:32.473 --> 00:49:41.374 - that yeah, not advocating for anything. Just saying. Thank you. Anything else for the good of the order? 00:49:42.562 --> 00:49:52.159 - He took care of the appointments. If y'all could just get together and we can send an email 00:49:52.159 --> 00:50:02.799 - about availability because I can reach out to Cassidy and James for sure. Could we do before our next 00:50:02.799 --> 00:50:10.622 - meeting on the 15th by 45 to 60 support liberation session? It's the 15th. 00:50:11.042 --> 00:50:21.634 - Next question. Yes. Before deliberation, yeah. What time? 5.45. Not sure. Because it's just one interview. 00:50:21.634 --> 00:50:31.632 - Did we want to do them together as a group interview or separate? I don't know. I think we typically 00:50:31.632 --> 00:50:38.462 - interview for the same thing together. It usually works pretty well. 00:50:39.522 --> 00:50:48.429 - Can we see if that works for both of them? Yep. Thank you very much. And does that work for you? Yeah, 00:50:48.429 --> 00:50:57.422 - it'll be. Okay. Yeah, next Wednesday. Yes. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Team C. Team C. They 00:50:57.422 --> 00:51:05.118 - have t-shirts. Team C. Team C. Next Wednesday's texted. Yeah. Is that a call by account? 00:51:05.474 --> 00:51:13.285 - Yeah, but other than that, that's it for our team seed. Yay! So we don't have any other vacancies except 00:51:13.285 --> 00:51:20.874 - for the, you know, there's a bifurcation. How are things going with everything since we're, you know, 00:51:20.874 --> 00:51:28.462 - we're without a staff? You know, honestly, I think it's fine. I think we are obviously trying to work 00:51:28.462 --> 00:51:29.950 - with the council to 00:51:30.082 --> 00:51:38.580 - like do packet and things like that. So I think that's honestly working just fine. Yeah, we really, 00:51:38.580 --> 00:51:47.079 - yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a teamwork and I know we got scheduling meeting in the morning. So yeah, you 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:55.662 - just want to adjourn. You're all set. Okay. No objections? No. Time for chow. Feeding is? Feeding my 00:51:55.662 --> 00:51:57.022 - cat. Adjourned.