I'll call this meeting to order. And, um, I guess one thing about attendance first. This is Interview
Committee student. I am Councilmember Sidney Zulek, District 6. And I'm going to put my phone on silent.
Councilmember is about Pete Mott Smith, District 1. Jennifer Crossley, Deputy Clerk. David Aloe, District
4 Council. Great. So real quick, you have an interview that's coming up.
I almost said two. There were supposed to be two people, Sarah and Rebecca. Sarah Brinkman emailed back
after going back and forth with me a couple of different times and has decided to not attend tonight's
meeting. I wanted to clarify, does that mean she's withdrawing her application? And I'm still waiting
to hear back, so. OK, you only have Rebecca at six.
Yes, I agree. Great. Okay. If we only have one appointment. Correct. And is that the seat who currently
holds that? That's the seat that's currently occupied by Matt Austin. Okay. Thank you. Well, I was just
don't have it in front of me but there was a uh at the last because meeting there was um a list of of
because members and matt austin was on it and it seemed that he was reappointed and i i remember otherwise
but i do see that his term runs from 48 wait a minute his term runs from
April 8th, 2026 to April 8th, 2026. Why everybody's dead. What does that mean? That's probably just
that he had 90 days to. Well, that's today's day. Yes, it is. So was it me? I'm looking actually at
the site of commissioners. Oh, and on board it says. He is an interim appointment.
to 126 to 131 28. Yeah, okay. Interim appointment until when? Well, that's weird that it's showing like
that because technically his term was up at the end of January of this year. And so onboard does this
weird automatic thing where it
If you haven't been appointed by that date, it used to say carryover. And so IT switched the term to
show that this technically is basically saying that they've not been reappointed yet. And so it looks
like if he were to be reappointed, that would be his new term, which would be 2-1 of this year and goes
through 1-31 of 2028. Right. And we have 30 days from January 31st to thrill them.
Or 90 days? 90. So that would be April 30th. Correct. Okay. So he has that like 90 day buffer day. Okay,
I understand. I have a couple other things that we need to talk about in the 10 minutes before. One,
Raynard Cross, who previously served on the Historic Preservation Commission as a mayoral appointment
in addition to Sam DeSolar,
they were not reappointed by Mayor Thompson. And I reached out to both of them because I've worked with
both of them just because of the planning that I've done with the deliberation sessions and I'm their
new liaison. And so I knew both of them. I asked both of them if they would be interested in serving
in a council role, even in spite of the fact that it's a non-voting seat just to continue on the board
and continue giving them perspective. Sam turned me down.
and said that he did not want to do it if he didn't have a vote, which I completely understand. Reynard
called me back last week and said that he was interested. If either of you would be interested in making
a motion to reappoint him, his application is already in there. We wouldn't need to. Yeah, we have zero
council members right now.
Historic preservation. His application is in here. Yes, scroll down. Reynard Cross. It's in the archived
on board. Yeah, since technically he was the mayoral appointment. Well, how long has he served? I don't know.
But so he, he knows the ropes. He comes with your recommendation. Yes. Okay. Cause I don't know that.
Looks like he's served since 2020. Two terms, two non-consecutive terms. No, those are consecutive.
2020. 2020. Oh, you're right. It's a consecutive. Yeah. He's been on since the beginning of 2020.
That's fine with me. What's his name? Reynard Cross, R-E-Y-N-A-R-T. Yeah, I think I remember him from
our druggy meeting. Yes. Yes. I'm in a realty and property management company. I was impressed with
him. Yeah, I think he always has really thoughtful pieces to bring to the discussion.
Good. We don't have any other perhaps. You got a new one that came through and then remember Cassie
Shelton was one that we didn't know her address and so now that we confirmed it that she does live with
that city limits.
So we should look at both of those as well. And we have four slots. I think we decided that we I think
we decided that we wanted to interview Cassie if she did live in city limits. Okay. And then can you?
And then there's a new one, James Hutchinson. Oh, not much information here. Okay.
Does this resume your birth certificate? No. Department. Holds a B.A. in history, Texas State University,
pursuing a M.A. in history. Hmm. Experience with park interpretation, historical programming,
social media. Yeah. Well, I think that would at least be a different perspective to bring. We could
interview him.
And it looks like 530 North Lincoln Street, Apartment 5. I think that's almost certainly a renter. And
it would be awesome to have a renter on HPC. 530 North Lincoln, that may even be a historic district.
I think that might be Cottage Grove. The one that's coming to us. Yeah, I think so.
Sure, let's talk to James and Cassie. Would you like to make a motion? I will move that we invite James
Hutchison and Cassie Shelton to interview for the HPC. Second. So since all of you are here, you can
do a voice vote. All in favor?
of appointing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison. No, of interviewing Cassie Shelton and James Hutchison
for the Historic Preservation Commission. Aye. All opposed? Great. I'll make another motion to appoint
Raynard Cross to seat C1 of the Historic Preservation Commission.
Certainly if I can see just became vacant because remember drew hair was in there. Oh Yes All in favor
I all opposed Sam sign that passes and That concludes our business for the Historic Preservation Commission
Something else
that I have been recently been made aware of just because I know we all have our own feelings about
the arts commission and someone being removed because they were a county resident. I've recently been
made aware that the president of the board of transit or the BT's board lives in Florida. What? Like
it owns property in Bloomington but made a stink about
paying Indiana taxes because Florida doesn't charge us a child's access. Where do they declare the residency
in Florida? Yeah. Is that one of ours? No, it's one of Mayor Thompson's. No, but it's that board, one
of our boards. We make appointments to it. Oh, well, I think it's- No, we don't make appointments to
Bloomington Transit, but I wanted to bring it up because
I'm curious to what your thoughts are. I'm happy to talk to Gary, but you guys are my interview team,
so I wanted to see what you guys thought first. Yeah, I would say that's not appropriate. You've got
to be a resident in Bloomington. I would expect. I guess they do the migration thing.
retired people do, where they spend half of the year. Yeah, the year in Florida. Well, that's what I
was asking. Yeah, but he- There's a primary residence, is it here or is it there? Something to inquire
about, I suppose. But these people get a stipend for their work, and so that was why he asked for the
Florida tax instead of the Indiana tax that he was receiving from BT to serve on the board.
Is this James McCleary? Yes. Wow. He's been serving on it on time. Yes, he is. From what I know, he's
fairly anti-transit. He's very focused on turning everything into micro-transit. Well, I think that's
worth looking into. Yeah, he's in the middle of a four-year term.
He was very recently reaffirmed it. It says his term was 8-1-24. Yeah, August. August of 2024. Yeah.
Somebody from Mayor Thompson's office should call and find out where he declares his primary residence.
Yeah. I mean, yeah. But it's really not up to her to do it. Yeah. Or her office to do it. I guess- Couldn't
fall to- Yeah.
I just wanted to see what you guys thought, because for me, it's frustrating to have someone who's across
the street from the city being denied representation on a board. Now we've got someone who lives in
a completely other state sharing a board that makes really impactful decisions for all of our residents.
I just wanted to bring it up. I'm happy to talk to Mayor Thompson about it. I just wanted to talk to you both.
First. Yeah, I think it's he should be made aware of. OK, right. Thank you. I would just leave has.
Has everybody had a chance to touch base with the? Entities you're liaising with. Yes. Yes, I need to
reach out to the new chair of the Pulitzer
Is that going OK for everybody? Yeah, I mean, I. I'm supposed to be liaison to the RTC. You know they
keep having these executive sessions, so I don't really know what's going on. Hello, we definitely in
the right spot. 150 and 160 clean it. Sorry.
Oh, that's fine. Welcome. Yeah, that's fine. Welcome. I love your big phone case. Ah, thanks. Circle
around it. Sure. I'm gonna back up, by the way. Hi, nice to meet you. I'm Isabelle P. Mott Smith. Hi,
nice to meet you, as well. I'm Dave. Hi, Dave. Rollo. And I'm Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. Hello, nice to
officially meet you. Thank you. Welcome. So this is gonna be informal. Just gonna ask you a couple, um,
subject matter questions and then logistical questions. And then in a few weeks, no matter what the
outcome is, you will hear back from our lovely deputy clerk, Ms. Jennifer Crossley. And then you're
welcome to ask us any questions. Does anyone want to get started? I can ask what I always have as my
first question, and that's what made you decide to apply for
position on the Commission on Sustainability and Resilience? Yeah. I guess I've always been civic-minded
and always feel a call to participate and be active in my community. I spotted the notice in the newspaper
that the city was looking for seats on a variety of boards. I just took a minute and read through it.
This commission sounds like right up my
Allie in terms of the things I personally care about and what I want for my community as well and where
I live. So, yeah. All right. What are the things that interest you most about sustainability? Well,
I'm a mother, so I have children that I would like to be able to experience the world in the same way
or in the same sort of
good way that I've been able to experience it. So I have this desire to pass along a world that my kids
and other people can drive in. So part of that requires keeping our environment, our systems sustainable
and resilient so that we can continue to improve them and not have to worry about repairing them.
I'm a huge hiker. I came from Colorado. The natural environment is near and dear to my heart. I want
to be able to share that to everybody. That's the other side of the same coin. I understand that I have
the opportunities to take advantage of
Like our built environment in our natural environment, but not everybody does. So the equity piece of
sustainability and resilience. Resiliency is also kind of high on top of my mind. Great. Yeah, yeah,
you're an educator, right? You're with Purdue Extension. So I'm a Health and Human Sciences educator
in Lawrence County, so Bedford Mitchell. And so that's been a really wonderful.
You know, it's a rural population. And so it's been a great sort of all my work up to date has been.
I mean, I've, I've had a lot of experience working with municipalities. My, my background is urban planning
in alternative modes, actually. But then I got grew interested in the intersection of like public health
and urban planning. And so recently got my degree in public health and wanted to do like community health
and vitality. And so anyway down and
Lawrence County, it's been my first opportunity to work with rural population, which is different.
I mean, it's just different than a more, I wouldn't say Bloomington is cosmopolitan, but it's a lot
bigger than. We like to think we have, but yeah. It's just different. The assets are different down
there. The motivating factors are different. I'm not saying
worse, they're just different. So it's been a really good opportunity to get some exposure to that and
try to make an impact there as it relates to community health. But you live here in Bloomington? I do
live here in Bloomington, yeah. So I'm a Hoosier. I grew up in Indianapolis, but I spent all my summers,
all my childhood summers in a little town called Huron, which is in Lawrence County, the very bottom
by Shoals.
Yeah, it's right off 50. Yeah, it's tiny. Lawrence County has all, in fact, we, my collective family,
still owns property down in here on about 75 acres that we have in forest conservation. I don't know,
I just felt a pull to go down there. It's awesome. Sometimes working in your community is,
that has its own set of challenges compared to if you go and be an outsider. So that was actually, yeah,
it's worked well for me. Cool. So what do you think are the major threats to sustainability? Well, are
you asking for Bloomington proper or just? It could be global for that matter. I mean, we're all connected, but.
You said this is 20 minute interview. How I would answer that is, not everybody is on the same page
as it relates to where we are with the need for sustainability and resiliency planning or resilient plans.
you know, got a lot of deniers out there about some of the things that are, that we know for a fact
are actually influencing sustainability. So I feel like that's a pretty big problem. Just the fact that
we kind of have, there's not a united outlook on it, which is, you know, not like, there's lots of things
that where there's disagreement on what the issue is or what the reality is. But I do feel like that's
a huge, I mean, the,
Climate denial, for example, that's a very huge barrier, especially when we're seeing it in political
realms that have the ability to affect policy or made policy. I feel like that's a hurdle. I don't know
what that would require. I don't know how you would persuade or inform somebody that is so set on not
I guess, reading the science or seeing the live reality of some of the things that are affecting our
planet right now, like heat waves and droughts. I would say collectively, that's a big one. We're not
all believers yet. That interests me because I've grown really tired of this polarity in society.
um and so I've joined a couple groups that are filled with people across the political spectrum and
what I found is that there is some commonality so and anyway I'll get to this question in a second but
like for instance like microplastics it's amazing how many MAGA people eat organic food because they're
worried about it and of course there was just a nature vapor that showed
know cadaver brain cadavers have the equivalent of a plastic spoon but it's in everything in your brain
uh and it's growing by 50 every eight years and so that they're aware of they're threatened by ai because
they're worried about their jobs so you know there are points of agreement and then there are points
where you know it's very polarized but i'm i'm
Do you think that your work there and your background in health can bridge that? I would like to think
that as an educator and an informer. Yeah, I guess you never stop trying to spread the knowledge. And
we know information changes all the time.
I feel like being an educator, I feel like I'm responsible for keeping up with what the science is saying.
Who else do you look to for information about what's impacting our environment in this sense? It's my
responsibility to keep seeking the most, I guess,
vetted information, most credible information to share that. Back to the polarity thing, it's everywhere.
It's not just on the topic of sustainability. I face it every single day, just even on a personal level
because my personal values with the majority of the people I'm down teaching in Lawrence County are
different.
But I just have to remind myself that, like, you know, in my role as an educator and using evidence-based
information coming from Purdue University, like, I feel good about that, that I am sharing out what,
you know, is pretty objective information, despite the fact that, like, I'm among people that, like,
work night and day on our personal outlets. So, I mean, yeah, hilarity, like, that's a huge,
It's a huge obstacle, but I think it's like, you know, on the time spectrum, maybe that the polarity
gap closes as information comes out. The only way to do it is to keep talking. I agree. Yeah. And you
seem to be doing that. So I'm very impressed by that. Well, thank you. I feel passionate. You know,
it's like you it's
I think about, I'm going to use an example. I actually quite like Orange County. I don't share your
values, but I can see that there's a lot of well-meaning people down there and what drives their decisions
and the way they think is different than the way I do it. That's the way we all roll in this world.
But if I think about something like
you know, a topic like a controversial topic, like, well, I feel like it's becoming more controversial,
but prescribed birds, you know, like there's a lot of the hunters down there are like, please, you know,
click, maintain these forests for us because it, you know, they see the value in that. And then there's
other, you know, there's other opinions on prescribed burns that just don't see don't
I guess it would feel like the hunters wouldn't, like that's one issue where the hunters are sort of
in my camp. Not to call it my camp, but like, I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can
find commonalities. You just, they just, you ride out of limit or I guess, yeah, unusual ways. And that's
been my trick. It's like, I mean, who doesn't want to feel well and live optimally? Like, I think most
of us want that.
To me, it's just like we have to get there. Our language may be different, but we can still try to talk
and think about it. The constituent meeting and people were against the prescribed burn or they were
skeptical. But my background in biology says it's a good thing. It reduces ticks, by the way.
But in any case, I know that's dynamic. It's interesting that
I mean, I was for deer hunting in Griffey because of ecological, because it was crashing in terms of
its biodiversity, because of deer overpopulation. And I ran into, people were very sympathetic to deer.
And it was quite a clash, but I was, the hunters understood it. Now we have it, now they donate all
to the food bank. Anyway, there are ways in which we can, we intersect and we can talk
to each other, I think, and I'm impressed that you do that, and so that's really cool. I'm not really
well-informed about prescribed burns, so maybe I picked them up. That's not the specialization at this
point. That's what I was trying to relay. You will not have to make that type of decision.
My point was, yeah, you can find some unexpected common ground if you just communicate. So anyway.
Well, Council member Roland serves on the commission. You would be working with him appointed to you.
Can you talk about the logistics? Because I don't remember the exact day. It's the second Tuesday from
six until 7.30. It's really pretty. I mean, we adjourned exactly at 7.30. I appreciate that. It means
that we're really officially by Justin Bass.
We've taken on topics lately of toxic chemicals in the community, particularly what the city is using,
understanding and looking at that. We've been focused on local food and trying to promote that. There's
a lot going on in our subcommittees. Generally, what you do then is you might land in a subcommittee with
or three other people kind of working on something, kind of researching and bringing back that information
to the group. And lately the group's been very interested in bringing either legislation like chickens,
that's another thing they want to explain, chicken flocks, to resolutions to the council. So they've
been very active and really
The commissions go like that sometimes in terms of who's on it and how busy they are and what they're
interested in. But this one has really got a lot of cohesion right now. It's really working a lot of
good stuff. It's encouraging. Yeah. Can you commit to that time? Yes, I already. I did notice there
was one conflict that I might have farther or later in the year. Okay. But otherwise, I'm free. You
mean just for a single meeting? Yeah.
Oh yeah, that's not a problem. And you could zoom. I have two kids going off to college, so I don't
know how in the fall that I'm doing some drop-offs and that was the one. So, and then subcommittees,
maybe you might want to land on one that serves your interests.
What are the subcommittees? Just one on waste reduction. You have one on transportation. I'm sorry.
My brain is.
Anyway, you can find it. Have you been to any meetings or have you seen it online? I've been poking
around. I think the dashboard is awesome. Check it out. I can send you information. Then I read some
other resolutions, but I don't know if I drilled down into the subcommittees. I don't know if I saw
or where to go for that. So is the commission, what size is it? How many people are on the commission?
I think 14. Yeah, it's bigger than it used to be.
because we had it coming and so many different universities there. Okay. Some of them are in the big
commission actually. Yeah, so it's really active conditional. I think we've made some really good gains
in terms of sustainability. Isabel was all about it for many years in the green buildings and so forth.
We've done chickens. They've started this commission back in 2003. It was very controversial in 2003.
In 2003. 2003. I graduated from IU in 1996. I've been around here since 1985. When did the commission
begin? I started it in 2005. I just said it's 20th anniversary. I don't have any children, but that's
My child. Yeah, I have a few kids. Well, let me say your child is probably cheaper than looking at the
college tuition. Where are they going anyway? My son is going to Western Washington, so I couldn't get
the Western portion of the nation out of him because we we moved here in 2019. So I've been in the front
range of Colorado.
Since I graduated in 96 so but then moved back to help my aging parents. So he's going to Western Washington
and then my daughter is going to DePaul, which is
up in Chicago, which is usually because she was looking at schools in England. I'm very grateful that
she's not going across the pond. She's from my motherly heart. A few hours away. Yeah. I've been in
Bloomington for seven years. Yeah, I have. You went to school here. I got my bachelor's here and then
a master's here. Then I got a master's in public health at IUB. Then I got a master's in
Urban and regional planning at University of Colorado Denver. So, so I was just gonna say, so I wanted
to go back to Dave's question, but focus it more on Bloomington. Are there certain sustainability things
or benchmarks that you think Bloomington should focus on? Well, I know that hands are tied to some degree
because of state legislation and
But the electric car incentives, I feel like we missed the boat, especially if we compare it to Colorado,
because I have siblings that still live in Colorado, and they both had amazing incentives to buy. They're
paying $19 a month for the newest, I don't know, one of the newest electric model cars. $19 a month?
least, but I mean, that's actually incredible. And their infrastructure is, you know, they've got, they
have prioritized, you know, electric refuelings, or, you know, electric stations, plugins. So I would
say like, you know, that seems like
Okay, nothing's low hanging fruit, but like the electric car. And if you look at the automobile industry,
I feel like we should jump on that as a community to the extent that that's possible. But like I said,
I know there's some other streamless plane, the inevitability of that. So the electric vehicles and
then solar panels. I
I feel like the campaign to go solar in Boulder when I was there was just like in your face. And so
it was in a good way. So it was like, yeah, just go ahead and get solar. Everybody's doing it. So it's
kind of like the seatbelt campaign. Eventually, it was just like, you just get solar. Not quite that.
I mean, back to equity stuff.
not quite as simple as just putting your seatbelt on, but I'm just saying like the knowledge out there,
the campaigning around it and it's important and how easy it is or could be to you and all the incentives
like that seemed like a real easy push that the communities rolled out there. So we have done quite
a bit. Yes. And I don't mean to sound like critical of anything done or not done. I wish we could see
more solar.
So we actually have business development grants to do solar for local businesses in certain areas in
the community. But we could definitely expand that. The other thing is like our comps just aren't there
when it comes to making people aware of the opportunities that are available. So something I'd love
to see. And the state is more backward, I see.
They've gone back on solar. We could have expanded it more for legislation. I know. Well, I was going
to ask, so when I first moved back in 2019, I worked for the Monroe County Planning Department. I'm
just curious about your relationship with, I was thinking about I actually permitted some solar panels
for a church off of
One of the east-west streets that has three names down south. A rural road. Something or Moores Pike
or- Moores Pike Hillside Country Club. Something like, yeah, all that. It has one road. Yeah. How does
your commission, I mean, I know you're an ally or hopefully are an ally, but how does your commission,
what's the dynamic between
the commission and like zoning and permitted use type stuff. Like when it comes to like solar panels
or backyard chickens or flock chickens or. Right. Well, I mean, they have been involved. The council,
the commission has been involved in the UDL and then things like that. And actually we're doing revisions
on the UDL soon. And I think, I mean,
I assume that they'll be involved in the process. David Hittle, who's the Director of Planning
and Transportation is coming with us on various UDO amendments and it'd be interesting to see if some
of this stuff gets inserted as well. Do you have an opinion about it? I think that the commission could
be an advocate for some of the zoning changes that
would increase sustainability. Yeah, I mean, I know it's a hot, hot button, but just the whole,
the AVU, like, you know, allowing even, I mean, I'm more familiar with Monroe County's zoning ordinance
than I am, City of Bloomington's, but like the duplexes or granny flats, like, I mean, all of that is,
you know, in the direction of sustainability.
But it's hard to get some of that zoned or it's hard to push that through some of the regulations that
are on the books at the moment. So just curious about if the commission has encountered that in any
of their initiatives. Something you could discuss, actually. Seriously, but I know David Hittle is looking
um for instance uh 80 years and expanding with us finding ways in which those could be because it's
been tested and people are now accustomed to the only thing that we could continue expanding for propensity
purposes uh that's good to hear yeah yeah i mean there i i was on the other side of the of the of the
zoning up zoning um but we don't have to talk about that right now but but i was coming i had a mixed
Yeah. Because I saw it threatening some of the housing stuff. Yeah. Well, I feel like we have the added
complication of the university. Yeah. That's a big one. Which has muddy the water on this, I think,
for just various reasons. But I mean, I can see where you might have some concerns about high intensity
as it relates
potentially more traffic if there's no other infrastructure there that's like alternative mode related
you know like it's it's a bit complicated but i think that you know i find points of agreement certainly
with higher density because more density you have less volume so i've always been in favor of like but
you know as you said the university kind of distorts the whole thing because you end up with like large
multi-family and things like that. Are they sustainable? Well, they probably have a 20-year lifespan,
honestly, and things like that. I'm critical to the university in terms of that they might have operated
differently. But anyway, I'll leave it there. We have no control over ideal. I know.
But just to let you know, there is an appointee on this commission from the Monroe County commissioners
so that there is a county voice on the commission. Are you allowed to say who? It's Ross Carlson right
now? I don't know him. I feel like I've been out
like I left in 2020 to finish my- I don't know. It's not necessarily a staff member from county government.
It may just be somebody that was interested that they appointed, but- Okay. Yeah. There is a little
bit of- Well, I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. Hopefully, he comes to the meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.
We've had somebody from IU. Right. IU sent somebody as well. At least there's some people- They're active.
It's a good group and it's cohesive and we get along.
I mean, yeah, that's great for 14. Yeah. My concern, I mean, I think everyone's concern is how do we
have a sustainable community, but it's impulsive over everybody because more and more low income people
are just being pushed in. Yeah. And that's a real dilemma that the commission is concerned about. Yeah,
I can get behind that because I think I mentioned equity at the top of the
conversation because I just feel that so acutely in Lawrence County on not necessarily sustainability
topics, but in other ways. It's very much like I'm very mindful, I guess aware of how easy it can happen
in equity. That is definitely something that
I would, I hope it's like kind of front and center and all the big things that I, you know, consider
or support or get behind. So yeah, it's kind of, I mean, planning can be very, can be very exclusionary
sometimes or at least the whole way of doing it. Well, we're, we're struggling with Hopewell right now.
So you know, yeah.
I mean, I want to set the bar high in terms of including people. But, you know, I don't want to get
in the weeds on that right now. Just to say that it's something that I think we need to do for not going
to do it this time. We need to do it next iteration or something. Because, you know, I mean, just across
the street, you saw people are being evicted, right? North. And right across Second Street, the county,
Oh, yes. Jennifer's had to, you know. Oh, I thought those were like businesses, like insurance agencies.
They're being evicted. Because there's a land swap with the Capital Improvement Board for the Convention
Center. Oh, that Convention Center. Just kidding. Okay. Anyway.
Well, I will say that the complexities of working for a community are not lost on me. They're part of
it. I will say to the other lens that I'm using a lot these days is that I mentioned that we moved here
to care for my aging parents and my dad ended up passing a few months after we arrived.
He had Parkinson's and then my mother shortly after his passing. I mean, she's now got Lewy body and
Parkinson's like and so. Where? My sibling, my I have. Not to give you my whole life story, but I have
two siblings still in Colorado. We all and I have three siblings. We all ended up in Colorado for different
reasons after graduating. Locally anyway, two are out there and then me and
my oldest brother are here helping my mom. She's still in her house. The three of us live and walk in
distance to each other, which was deliberate. But everything I do now, I am thinking about the aging
cohort, the frail and fragile, which she wasn't always frail and fragile. She got to that point on the
spectrum pretty quickly. But I think about she can't drive.
So that immediately kicks in like what are transportation, you know, viable transportation options for
my mom and, you know, proximity to, or even just access to good healthcare. So I feel like,
and you know, this stuff does, it does lead over into sustainability. Um, especially if we're looking
at, you know, community vitality, which if you're, if you don't have vitality in your community, then,
It's all well and good to strive for sustainability, but you're missing a big piece of why you want
that. It's the people and the systems, I think, that are the two big pieces of sustainability. That
is why we're focusing on sustainability, for the people and for the system. Yeah, maximizing what human
well-being. Yeah. I just noticed another lens that in addition to equity,
that those among us that don't have the resources, don't have the physical faculties, don't want to
leave behind. That's most vulnerable. Definitely. Exactly. Least choices, most vulnerable. Yes. Well,
thank you very much. Well, thank you all. Next regularly scheduled meeting is April 22nd.
We'll make a recommendation today and then our entire council will vote on it. Okay. At that time, and
then you should hear from the deputy clerk shortly after. So I just sit tight then? Yes. Okay. That
sounds good. I can do that. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you all as well. I really appreciate it.
So best of luck. Nice to meet you. We are past-past-past, if not. Yeah.
Maybe I'll see you on the farmers market or something. Yeah. Yeah. Take care. See y'all. Have a good
one. Bye. All right. I think she's great. I think she's great. She's nearly the first class. It's heartfelt
for her. Yeah. It goes a long way. It's not just an emotional thing. Well, I'm happy to entertain emotion.
I move that we recommend to the full council the appointment of Rebecca Payne to see C3 of the Commission
of Sustainability and Resilience. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? That passes. We will
make a recommendation to appoint Rebecca Payne.
I think that's where the Novak report comes in where it's saying, I know people have fill-ins about
merging environmental and now because our or like if you don't merge, I think it also talked about maybe
kind of reducing the number of people because I think it could hurt like corn. Yeah. So that's where
that yeah, not advocating for anything. Just saying. Thank you. Anything else for the good of the order?
He took care of the appointments. If y'all could just get together and we can send an email
about availability because I can reach out to Cassidy and James for sure. Could we do before our next
meeting on the 15th by 45 to 60 support liberation session? It's the 15th.
Next question. Yes. Before deliberation, yeah. What time? 5.45. Not sure. Because it's just one interview.
Did we want to do them together as a group interview or separate? I don't know. I think we typically
interview for the same thing together. It usually works pretty well.
Can we see if that works for both of them? Yep. Thank you very much. And does that work for you? Yeah,
it'll be. Okay. Yeah, next Wednesday. Yes. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Team C. Team C. They
have t-shirts. Team C. Team C. Next Wednesday's texted. Yeah. Is that a call by account?
Yeah, but other than that, that's it for our team seed. Yay! So we don't have any other vacancies except
for the, you know, there's a bifurcation. How are things going with everything since we're, you know,
we're without a staff? You know, honestly, I think it's fine. I think we are obviously trying to work
with the council to
like do packet and things like that. So I think that's honestly working just fine. Yeah, we really,
yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a teamwork and I know we got scheduling meeting in the morning. So yeah, you
just want to adjourn. You're all set. Okay. No objections? No. Time for chow. Feeding is? Feeding my
cat. Adjourned.