WEBVTT 00:00:00.162 --> 00:00:10.508 - Let's call this meeting of the most excellent hiring committee of the City Council to order on April 00:00:10.508 --> 00:00:21.059 - 2nd, it is 5.35. With us, we have the Honorable Isabel Piedmont-Smith, and the Honorable Sidney Zubik, 00:00:21.059 --> 00:00:23.518 - and the Honorable Clerk 00:00:23.906 --> 00:00:33.196 - Nicole Bolton and the chief deputy clerk and the honorable Dave Rallo and the most experienced person 00:00:33.196 --> 00:00:42.487 - in the room with the questions that we're talking about. I don't know what your last name is now that 00:00:42.487 --> 00:00:44.126 - I think about it. 00:00:44.930 --> 00:00:53.175 - Today, hopefully a pretty straightforward agenda. We have the immediate action of needing just to go 00:00:53.175 --> 00:01:01.337 - through the comments that HR made and just make sure that we action all of them. It's been approved 00:01:01.337 --> 00:01:09.827 - and then we can then start the process of giving that to you. You're going to sit there the whole time. 00:01:09.827 --> 00:01:14.398 - Sorry to give you my back then. I'm going to sit there. 00:01:14.978 --> 00:01:22.883 - So, so we'll go through that and then here's no, no, I'm good. Nobody minds. And then I had hoped to 00:01:22.883 --> 00:01:30.709 - have two letters of engagement at least for us. I have one in concept and then one actual letter of 00:01:30.709 --> 00:01:33.214 - engagement that we can discuss. 00:01:33.314 --> 00:01:41.300 - and if those two are not enough information, we can continue discussing about part-time staff, and then 00:01:41.300 --> 00:01:48.979 - as time permits, we can talk about the retained search possibilities. That seemed like a good idea. 00:01:48.979 --> 00:01:56.735 - Could we also talk about the current individuals working for the Common Council? Yes. Because we got 00:01:56.735 --> 00:02:00.574 - that note from- Yes. That would be a great point. 00:02:00.962 --> 00:02:10.345 - them whiting down their time. Exactly. Exactly. Because they have three weeks, basically. Anything else 00:02:10.345 --> 00:02:19.368 - that we'd like to add to today's agenda? Sound good? OK. So I'm just going to pull up here. And let 00:02:19.368 --> 00:02:28.480 - me join the Zoom meeting. Chief Deputy Clerk, are you able to share your screen? And then I can edit 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:30.014 - it on this side. 00:02:30.946 --> 00:02:44.473 - A bit faster. What am I pulling up? The actual redlined text that was in our packet. Actually, will 00:02:44.473 --> 00:02:58.270 - you do it on your computer, join with Zoom, and then load up on there? Yeah. It's packet one from us. 00:03:00.066 --> 00:03:08.202 - Addendum, the first addendum, right? Or if it doesn't matter. There was the edit in the second addendum, 00:03:08.202 --> 00:03:16.027 - do you prefer that one? Yeah, there's just that, it's inconsequential for us, but we do also need to 00:03:16.027 --> 00:03:24.008 - pull up solvers. And if somebody could, I'll pull this up on a separate sheet, because we need to also 00:03:24.008 --> 00:03:28.734 - look at the hiring memo, because we mentioned that there was 00:03:29.218 --> 00:03:43.070 - there was a discrepancy. So, okay, so once you have it all, you're probably this one. Oh, it's cold. 00:03:43.070 --> 00:03:57.470 - We tried to turn off the heat looks like it shouldn't be doing it. Yeah, you want me to do it like that? 00:03:57.666 --> 00:04:13.807 - Oh, I'm going to just. It should be okay. It's like Councilmember Rosenberger was using one of them 00:04:13.807 --> 00:04:15.582 - a lot ago. 00:04:16.866 --> 00:04:24.468 - Well, while they're, while they're pulling that up, does anybody remember, um, what comes from over 00:04:24.468 --> 00:04:32.070 - Strasburg had, um, the points? Yeah. What, what, what was the thing that was missing? So we can add 00:04:32.070 --> 00:04:39.749 - that. The bottom of page two, we need to cross out non-essential. Yeah. It's like the only shift. Is 00:04:39.749 --> 00:04:44.766 - that the only one? Did you see it? Yep. Right there. Yep. Got it. 00:04:47.266 --> 00:04:54.451 - Okay, so we'll just go through it this way. You can also see their notes on the side, which made up 00:04:54.451 --> 00:05:01.635 - the memo. Sorry again for not catching if that wasn't in there, but those don't print out. Okay, so 00:05:01.635 --> 00:05:07.742 - just the title. We're all okay with that. They gave us the answer for the job grade. 00:05:13.282 --> 00:05:18.914 - The incumbent serves as the principal legal advisor to the common council while directing the operations 00:05:18.914 --> 00:05:24.440 - of the common council office. This position provides strategic leadership and administrative oversight 00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:30.018 - to ensure effective governance continuity and the efficient functioning of council activities. The role 00:05:30.018 --> 00:05:35.544 - operates in both legal council and executive leadership capacities in support of the council. No typos 00:05:35.544 --> 00:05:36.670 - or any issues there. 00:05:42.050 --> 00:05:53.923 - And then fixing primary. Added paragraph here. That's just minor editing. Serves as the council administrator 00:05:53.923 --> 00:06:05.257 - attorney for council. That's just being consistent with the name. Did we want to put in a minimum number 00:06:05.257 --> 00:06:10.654 - of years? I put in a minimum of five years prior. 00:06:12.130 --> 00:06:32.613 - It's fine. Yeah, that's what HR recommended. They asked to take away the adjective there. That's taken 00:06:32.613 --> 00:06:37.982 - away. Not putting this in. 00:06:40.130 --> 00:06:46.078 - I just removed, oh, sorry, I'm sorry, let me, I shouldn't have actioned that that way. Well, I've resolved 00:06:46.078 --> 00:06:52.081 - it. They said that they said that they said that we shouldn't have the explicit sentence may make revisions 00:06:52.081 --> 00:06:57.639 - subverted job description organization to improve council office effectiveness because there's like 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:03.198 - a whole extra set of processes that have to happen to do that. And that's that that's already like, 00:07:03.554 --> 00:07:14.940 - I mean, we can mention it during the interviews. Exactly. Yeah. I think their point was that it's a 00:07:14.940 --> 00:07:26.440 - tautology anyway. So that's everything. Right. I mean, we have to. So again, now also one thing that 00:07:26.440 --> 00:07:32.702 - I'll just say what Shar did bring up is that she feels 00:07:32.866 --> 00:07:42.371 - like we have, and I think you've done this on purpose. So I think that, I think it's okay, I'm just 00:07:42.371 --> 00:07:52.350 - saying it again, that she feels like many of the things that she can glean from the past exit interviews 00:07:52.350 --> 00:08:01.950 - and interactions with past council staff members, that we have kept many of those things in the job. 00:08:02.210 --> 00:08:15.412 - You mean things that are problematic? Yes. I know, wow. Yeah, I mean, I think we sort of opted for that 00:08:15.412 --> 00:08:28.107 - with the awareness that we know things can change. And the idea being that we get this chief person 00:08:28.107 --> 00:08:29.630 - in and then 00:08:30.786 --> 00:08:37.407 - if necessary, we can adjust some things. I think, I will say the one area where I think that we've been 00:08:37.407 --> 00:08:43.837 - a little bit more flexible, and I just think we should be cognizant of it, is that we tried to shift 00:08:43.837 --> 00:08:50.267 - the burden from, you know, does the packets to, you know, make sure that the packets are done, which 00:08:50.267 --> 00:08:55.806 - I think gives a little bit more space, which is to say that we come up with, you know, 00:08:56.578 --> 00:09:06.306 - an improving process that so thankful for, for first Williamson and McDonald for just where we're making 00:09:06.306 --> 00:09:12.606 - this a little bit smoother and faster for everyone, which is great. 00:09:13.282 --> 00:09:18.358 - So, I think we'll come up with some process there, but it's like to say, yeah, it defaults to this person 00:09:18.358 --> 00:09:23.194 - if nobody else is available to do this type of thing, which so I think that's going to ease a lot of 00:09:23.194 --> 00:09:28.318 - tension. I think that we've also been clear about reporting lines here a little bit better. And we started 00:09:28.318 --> 00:09:33.202 - to think about that way. I think we can still institute a lot of change around that just generally in 00:09:33.202 --> 00:09:34.878 - our, in our own council processes. 00:09:35.426 --> 00:09:43.117 - but I just wanted to make sure that we said that out loud, right? That so we're cognizant of some of 00:09:43.117 --> 00:09:50.732 - these things that we may still need to address as we go through this process. All right, so motion, 00:09:50.732 --> 00:09:58.652 - there was a motion to approve second. Any discussion on that? Okay, so all those in favor say aye. Aye. 00:09:58.652 --> 00:10:03.678 - Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries, honorable clerk. Okay, so, 00:10:03.906 --> 00:10:13.153 - Let's now move to... When would we expect this to be posted? So they said this in the, let's see, let 00:10:13.153 --> 00:10:22.399 - us see here. They said hiring timeline and process will provide access to NeoGov and arrange training 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:31.737 - for those who prefer to review applications electronically. Alternatively, let me send this to you all 00:10:31.737 --> 00:10:32.734 - so you can 00:10:32.930 --> 00:10:40.434 - It was in the memo. You're reading from the memo from Char. Yes. Yes. So they recommend keeping the 00:10:40.434 --> 00:10:47.937 - position open for 20 business days. But it doesn't say how quickly. Wait a minute. Once HR receives 00:10:47.937 --> 00:10:55.666 - the finalized job description, it typically takes up to five business days. So we're talking about it. 00:10:55.666 --> 00:11:02.494 - Talking about it. Posting next Friday, basically. And then 20-ish days. So basically we're 00:11:02.690 --> 00:11:09.900 - basically like end of May. End of April. End of April. End of April. Leaving it open, no, but leaving 00:11:09.900 --> 00:11:17.040 - it open for 20 days means that we get, we start the interview process end of April, right? Yes. Yes. 00:11:17.040 --> 00:11:24.179 - My apologies. I did not know what you meant by that. And so, so that, you know, best, best estimates 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:28.350 - would be like, if everything went really, really well, um, 00:11:28.802 --> 00:11:35.927 - You know, we might have identified the candidate by sort of end of May. That'd be nice because like 00:11:35.927 --> 00:11:42.839 - beginning with Frank, they have a couple weeks to like you can send to it. Yes, allegedly. Yeah, 00:11:42.839 --> 00:11:49.964 - so they so, you know, if we afford it. Yeah. That's exactly it. That's a lot of the lights that you 00:11:49.964 --> 00:11:53.598 - said. Yeah. Okay. That was that seemed seem right. 00:11:55.458 --> 00:12:05.766 - So, I'm going to share with you all. So, the way that we had to do and the reason why we had to bring 00:12:05.766 --> 00:12:16.478 - that additional motion yesterday about hiring was that Margie and Beagle had advised that without setting 00:12:16.578 --> 00:12:24.376 - clear settings of, you know, the not to exceed amounts and all that stuff that we actually weren't authorized 00:12:24.376 --> 00:12:31.677 - to do anything because we didn't have amounts attached to it. So luckily, City Legal was very, I mean, 00:12:31.677 --> 00:12:38.979 - very, very helpfully, they used their budget to hire our external council yesterday. And so that's how 00:12:38.979 --> 00:12:43.870 - we were able to do it so quickly. But now that we have that ability, 00:12:44.770 --> 00:12:54.414 - We have three options, one that you're aware of, which is these people, the Robert Half people. The 00:12:54.414 --> 00:13:04.058 - second option is that Larry Allen, former Deputy Mayor and City Attorney, has said that he would be 00:13:04.058 --> 00:13:12.062 - very willing to work with us. I was talking to him today after our vote yesterday. 00:13:20.514 --> 00:13:29.135 - He is interested in one of two type of engagements, and we're going to talk tonight at age, and then 00:13:29.135 --> 00:13:37.926 - he's going to send an actual engagement letter. But he said that he would be willing to work for about 00:13:37.926 --> 00:13:46.461 - 15 hours per week. And then he says in parentheses, not including evening meeting times to save you 00:13:46.461 --> 00:13:50.046 - all some money. It's a nice thing to say. 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:58.736 - And then that he could come on as a sort of part-time temp employee and then anything above those sort 00:13:58.736 --> 00:14:07.096 - of 15 hours then paying sort of separately. So you'd have a sort of rate for the temp employee at 15 00:14:07.096 --> 00:14:09.662 - hours and then we'd be able to 00:14:09.826 --> 00:14:17.483 - ask him to do more at a different rate. So the idea would be, and what he's thrown out, so his current 00:14:17.483 --> 00:14:25.065 - hourly rate at the firm is $350 an hour, which is in line with the type of rates that we've seen, and 00:14:25.065 --> 00:14:32.797 - I actually should show you all that. But he said that he would do, if we do it as the temp hourly, that 00:14:32.797 --> 00:14:34.878 - he'll do it at 150 an hour, 00:14:35.714 --> 00:14:42.989 - Um, but if we want to do just just contracting that he would do 250 an hour, but if you want to sort 00:14:42.989 --> 00:14:50.192 - of steady, you know, 15 hours a week, he said 150 an hour. So that is generous. And, and I think, I 00:14:50.192 --> 00:14:57.467 - think really good. Um, let me share system. Did, um, were you all copied in on the engagement letter 00:14:57.467 --> 00:15:04.382 - from Clark Quinn? Maybe you all worked. Okay. So let me, let me share that. And I'm sorry that. 00:15:04.642 --> 00:15:19.719 - I'm sorry, I'll do my best. How long is Larryville? That is a good question that I'll ask him tonight. 00:15:19.719 --> 00:15:28.062 - But when we initially talked, his part of the reason why 00:15:28.482 --> 00:15:34.357 - Like one of the reasons why I had reached out to him and one of the things that he said is that, 00:15:34.357 --> 00:15:40.595 - you know, he's very happy to work through the budget process with us. So, you know, understanding. And 00:15:40.595 --> 00:15:46.773 - I think that, I think to me, like, that's just like, yeah, because he gets how it works. He knows how 00:15:46.773 --> 00:15:52.950 - he knows all the other city employees, you know, he's already in the system. Right. So, yeah, we also 00:15:52.950 --> 00:15:55.070 - wouldn't have to because he's, um, 00:15:55.202 --> 00:16:02.682 - So he's already working for a contractor with the city with West law. Um, and so, um, so he'd be covered 00:16:02.682 --> 00:16:09.876 - under city legal's insurance. Um, so again, like, like, basically, like there, it's, it would have a 00:16:09.876 --> 00:16:17.142 - very minimal hit on the budget relative to us going with external counsel just continually for day to 00:16:17.142 --> 00:16:21.630 - day, um, type of things. Yes, has already engaged by the city. 00:16:21.858 --> 00:16:27.707 - Is so that he my understanding is that he can work under the already existing sort of umbrella thing 00:16:27.707 --> 00:16:33.787 - where we would then have a city council engagement letter with him specifically. So they basically point 00:16:33.787 --> 00:16:40.040 - is that the overall cost to us would be I mean, basically we're getting what we would get from contracting, 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:46.005 - which means you don't have to go all the over. But at a very low rate. So I'm just concerned. Is there 00:16:46.005 --> 00:16:48.958 - any potential conflict of interest if he's already 00:16:49.090 --> 00:16:57.155 - If his firm is working for the mayor, I'll find out. I'll find out. And actually, so I also have a list. 00:16:57.155 --> 00:17:05.373 - Yeah, we can do that. Yeah. So and they'll tell you to stay at the end contract. Do I speak loudly enough? 00:17:05.373 --> 00:17:13.207 - No. OK, I just realized when you were like going, most law firms will do a conflict check before they 00:17:13.207 --> 00:17:18.046 - do that. Yeah, they have mechanisms for doing it. Makes sense. 00:17:19.650 --> 00:17:29.319 - I'm gonna put into the same folder, Colleen, our engagement letter with Clark and Beno, because we'll 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:38.798 - want, if we wanna have a conversation about them, we'll wanna have a similar engagement letter just 00:17:38.798 --> 00:17:47.614 - actually executed by council instead of executed by them. I'm putting it in the addenda bit. 00:17:50.146 --> 00:17:59.144 - No, sorry, I'll just put it in the general Wednesday, the first place, and it's just it's called Clark 00:17:59.144 --> 00:18:07.006 - Quinn engage on letter. Now, one thing that I thought would be useful for us to do is to. 00:18:07.394 --> 00:18:12.326 - Is, is that if we wanted to engage with somebody, if we wanted to engage with somebody like Larry and 00:18:12.326 --> 00:18:17.015 - I think I think we all agree that there's lots of real benefits for that especially just on the, 00:18:17.015 --> 00:18:20.158 - you know, he gets all things right and he's very happy to do it. 00:18:20.322 --> 00:18:26.555 - Is that we can also continue to work with, like, Clark when, for example, on our ongoing conversations 00:18:26.555 --> 00:18:32.667 - about the PD, right? We're already contracted with them about that. And then they can be our sort of 00:18:32.667 --> 00:18:38.961 - additional, you know, anytime that we need, hey, we just need a legal opinion. You know, type of people 00:18:38.961 --> 00:18:44.286 - in addition to, you know, whatever, we already have this engagement letter. Right. And. 00:18:44.674 --> 00:18:52.429 - And I think we should use that sparingly. I mean, like, as you noted, like, I asked them to go home 00:18:52.429 --> 00:19:00.261 - halfway through the meeting just because it's like, I mean, you know, it's expensive, right? And now 00:19:00.261 --> 00:19:08.248 - they have a very good rate there. So you can see here, and this is the type of engagement letter we'll 00:19:08.248 --> 00:19:09.566 - have with Larry. 00:19:11.554 --> 00:19:19.383 - if, again, assuming that that's what you'd want to do. So their time, they split it amongst different 00:19:19.383 --> 00:19:27.212 - things. So if you look at the fees section here, it says, the firm shall keep and record its time and 00:19:27.212 --> 00:19:35.041 - client will be billed at an hourly rate for services related to the project. By the way, this reminds 00:19:35.041 --> 00:19:40.798 - me of the thing I forgot. We have to, next time, Sydney, we have to motion 00:19:40.930 --> 00:19:47.421 - during council meeting to approve us to review invoices. To approve them so that we don't have to constantly 00:19:47.421 --> 00:19:53.495 - take them back to the whole council. Each attorney's rate depends on his or her experience and skills 00:19:53.495 --> 00:19:59.689 - for the type of work required and the novelty and complexity of the issues involved. Rates are reviewed 00:19:59.689 --> 00:20:05.644 - semi-annually. Time spent on a project are recorded daily except as otherwise provided herein. It's 00:20:05.644 --> 00:20:10.110 - expected that most if not all of the legal services related to the project 00:20:10.242 --> 00:20:18.522 - and will be performed by Clark-Kurtman at the rate of $350 per hour. Other attorneys from the firm may 00:20:18.522 --> 00:20:26.962 - be assigned tasks by Clark-Kurtman relative to the services, and then none of those rates will be higher 00:20:26.962 --> 00:20:35.805 - than 350. So, and then they have legal and paralegal billed at 90 to 185. So... It's a pretty big difference. 00:20:35.805 --> 00:20:39.422 - Yes, but that's the same as like Lady Green. 00:20:39.618 --> 00:20:48.943 - Yeah, and it's also the difference of how we pay a legal researcher. So our attorney makes $116, and 00:20:48.943 --> 00:20:58.545 - our legal researcher makes like $45. OK. Not even? No, she makes more than that. How much does it make? 00:20:58.545 --> 00:21:04.638 - Isn't it closer to $70 something? Oh, really? $60 something. $60. 00:21:05.186 --> 00:21:17.726 - It's over 50. It wasn't full time. No, it was. It was just created really low. So that has gone up. Yeah. 00:21:18.562 --> 00:21:31.038 - I think the grade 6, I think it begins 55 to 70 or something like that. I bring this up only to talk 00:21:31.038 --> 00:21:41.662 - about how we're assessing this is that the savings of our, we have budgetary savings, 00:21:41.762 --> 00:21:48.117 - from not having these positions filled. And so as long as this is sort of somewhat equitable to the 00:21:48.117 --> 00:21:54.725 - ways that you would, you wouldn't be paying the person who would work your full time, right? But you'll 00:21:54.725 --> 00:22:01.271 - note that this cost the 350 an hour, if you were to ask them to do 40 hours a week, you'd very quickly 00:22:01.271 --> 00:22:07.689 - get rid of all of your things and you used a lot of hours for Hopewell over the last week, you know, 00:22:07.689 --> 00:22:09.214 - so. Yeah, it seems like 00:22:09.410 --> 00:22:16.448 - As soon as we can get the contract with Larry Allen, we should probably switch to him. Well, maybe not 00:22:16.448 --> 00:22:23.418 - for the PD. Exactly. That's right. I was going to ask a question. Yeah, please. Do you have an hourly 00:22:23.418 --> 00:22:30.593 - breakdown for the salary of your current employee, including the additional compensation they get beyond 00:22:30.593 --> 00:22:38.110 - their salary, but also the cost of the medical insurance and other benefits, so their entire benefit package? 00:22:38.498 --> 00:22:48.538 - Because while you made like the salaries for staff or say the 50,000, but the additional costs, I don't 00:22:48.538 --> 00:22:58.384 - know if the other people think in those terms, but it may help you guys as you're making them longer. 00:22:58.384 --> 00:23:06.686 - Exactly. It helps us understand how much we have in our budget that's not being used. 00:23:06.882 --> 00:23:21.275 - That's why we set the not to exceed at 50. If everything goes well, we're not talking about a very long 00:23:21.275 --> 00:23:36.222 - time here. If you think about 150, where are we? Looking at Larry's proposal, 150 times 15 is 2,250 a week. 00:23:37.026 --> 00:23:46.595 - How many months are we saying? Let's say in two months. Maybe three. He said he was going to help us. 00:23:46.595 --> 00:23:55.977 - Through budget time. That would be four or five. Let's call it four months. Four months is how many 00:23:55.977 --> 00:24:04.702 - weeks? Four point three. 16, roughly. You're talking about 18,000. That's what we call a 17. 00:24:04.834 --> 00:24:13.212 - So we're talking about like 40K, right? And so that was, and then if you imagine that we have a little 00:24:13.212 --> 00:24:21.835 - bit of a continued engagement with Clarkton Quinn for any other sort of additional things here and there, 00:24:21.835 --> 00:24:30.295 - I think we'll be well within that space. And we're able to pay them out of the 30K that we've set aside 00:24:30.295 --> 00:24:33.630 - for external counsel in the first place. 00:24:33.794 --> 00:24:42.300 - Are you thinking that Larry Allen's service might overlap with the new person? I think that would be 00:24:42.300 --> 00:24:50.721 - the best possible thing because then it also means that there's a handover. There's the possibility 00:24:50.721 --> 00:24:59.227 - Larry Allen might want to apply for the position, but it's a possibility. If that person can overlap 00:24:59.227 --> 00:25:02.174 - and then he gets some handover and 00:25:02.754 --> 00:25:09.962 - I think that would be amazing. Is there any chance that Christine Chang might reapply for something 00:25:09.962 --> 00:25:17.170 - that we haven't yet? She emailed me about something else, so I'll see. Yeah, I had no communication 00:25:17.170 --> 00:25:24.378 - with her, so. I'll check. Is she back yet? Yeah, she is. Something good needs, yeah. But that's one 00:25:24.378 --> 00:25:27.550 - of those things of, you know, we'll have to 00:25:28.290 --> 00:25:35.020 - I mean, the person. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But we could we could. I mean, there's we we we 00:25:35.020 --> 00:25:41.818 - did. We are authorized to bring on any type of temp position was the motion. We said it as broadly as 00:25:41.818 --> 00:25:48.681 - possible. So, you know, if, you know, if if somebody like that wanted to come in as right in some temp 00:25:48.681 --> 00:25:55.545 - position, we could do that as well. Yeah. And I also will say just for just for everybody's awareness, 00:25:55.545 --> 00:25:56.478 - I have talked 00:25:56.578 --> 00:26:05.851 - both with the mayor and deputy mayor and with HR and with Jeff and probably somebody else. But they're 00:26:05.851 --> 00:26:15.393 - also willing if we're thinking about if we need additional appropriation or anything like that, vis-a-vis 00:26:15.393 --> 00:26:24.126 - clerk's office, they're also open to that as well. Thank you. Yeah. So we have a lot of options. 00:26:24.674 --> 00:26:33.017 - Like if we wanted to say, hire a tab admin in the clerk's office, or if we wanted to have discussions 00:26:33.017 --> 00:26:41.359 - around them, I don't know, other things like they're willing to engage with us at this point as well. 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:46.430 - We just want to go. A goat. Maybe we set up a new lawn mower. 00:26:46.498 --> 00:26:57.012 - You know? Plus, we would have the benefit of being able to feed our residents, which is something I 00:26:57.012 --> 00:27:07.632 - know Councilmember Raul was interested in doing. Hey guys, I'm so sorry. So the question just now is 00:27:07.632 --> 00:27:16.464 - like, are you all okay with us moving forward with, I mean, assuming that it's that 00:27:16.464 --> 00:27:23.719 - stays within the parameters that I read to you. Are you okay with us moving forward with the conversation 00:27:23.719 --> 00:27:30.563 - with Larry Allen? Yes. Yes. Would you all like me once I have an engagement letter to bring it back 00:27:30.563 --> 00:27:37.750 - to the committee so we vote on it or can I use the discretion of this is within the bounds of what we've 00:27:37.750 --> 00:27:44.663 - been authorized to do and actually move forward with bringing him on board? As long as the rates are 00:27:44.663 --> 00:27:45.758 - the same. Yeah. 00:27:45.922 --> 00:27:54.717 - That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I don't think it needs to come back. I mean, I don't have to see me. 00:27:54.717 --> 00:28:03.426 - Make it soon. That's okay. Where do we feel? Because he talked about 150 as the base and then 250 for 00:28:03.426 --> 00:28:12.220 - things above and beyond that 15 hours. Are we okay with that framing? Is he just purely looking at the 00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:15.294 - number of hours or is he looking at 00:28:15.458 --> 00:28:21.942 - at the level of complexity of the work. That's a thing that we have not discussed. The way that he presented 00:28:21.942 --> 00:28:28.010 - it, and as I interpret it, is more about number of hours. The conversation we've had has included, he 00:28:28.010 --> 00:28:33.959 - knows all the things that the council attorney does. He himself is the one who said, and I can have 00:28:33.959 --> 00:28:40.027 - a budget, and I can help with, I will be at meetings, and all of those type of things. Those 15 hours 00:28:40.027 --> 00:28:43.358 - were not included in the meetings? That's what he said. 00:28:43.554 --> 00:28:49.721 - No, no, I think we should be judicious. Well, that's something I was going to say, though, is that, 00:28:49.721 --> 00:28:55.888 - you know, I whether whether you all felt because I I don't I don't it's it's it's nice for somebody 00:28:55.888 --> 00:29:02.486 - to do that in like service to the city or something. Is that is that ethical? I don't think that's ethical 00:29:02.486 --> 00:29:08.776 - for us to we need to count that time. Correct. And that's that's how I feel. Right. And so if that if 00:29:08.776 --> 00:29:13.278 - he wants a different rate or something like that, fine. But I think that 00:29:13.378 --> 00:29:19.721 - Um, you know, so that to the point that we also need to be thoughtful about, do we need the person here? 00:29:19.721 --> 00:29:25.823 - Do we not need the person here? We certainly don't, you certainly don't want to pay a person $150 an 00:29:25.823 --> 00:29:32.106 - hour, $250 an hour, $350 an hour to, you know, run a zoom meeting, um, for example. And so I, you know, 00:29:32.106 --> 00:29:38.269 - I'm just, I'm just thinking about, you know, um, like how we, and I just think we need to think about 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:42.558 - like the, the structure of what, you know. And can I improve, stay on? 00:29:42.690 --> 00:29:50.669 - I don't think the students can. So, I mean, that's the, cause they're, they're gone in May. So. And 00:29:50.669 --> 00:29:59.207 - they will probably have a complex finals week. Right. Just the same. Exactly. You mean our newly scheduled 00:29:59.207 --> 00:30:07.745 - next Hopewell meeting. So, so what are, so, so that was my next question. It's like, what are our thoughts 00:30:07.745 --> 00:30:08.702 - around, um, 00:30:10.306 --> 00:30:19.382 - What's the way forward with the overly complex setup of our Zoom, for example? Is it overly, 00:30:19.382 --> 00:30:29.337 - is it unnecessarily complex? It's not that it's like, it is, yes, it's unnecessarily, but I would say 00:30:29.337 --> 00:30:33.534 - unnecessarily because it's built, it's not 00:30:33.666 --> 00:30:40.215 - It's not one ton, right? Like it's, um, it's just that because there's, there's like the cap system 00:30:40.215 --> 00:30:47.353 - and the zoom system and the mainframe computer. So you're basically having to like jump in between different 00:30:47.353 --> 00:30:54.491 - computers is essentially what's happening. The cat cats. So like, so it's like all meeting to get connected. 00:30:54.491 --> 00:31:00.254 - So they need to like have the video and they have this. And so my understanding if I'm. 00:31:00.322 --> 00:31:06.375 - You tell me, you know, better is that it's basically like 2 different computers and the timer. So 1 00:31:06.375 --> 00:31:12.671 - quick solution would be to get a. Yeah, that's it. Get rid of the time. Get one computer is really just 00:31:12.671 --> 00:31:18.967 - used for the timer at the podium. Not the time. The old school at the podium is actually more efficient 00:31:18.967 --> 00:31:21.630 - because the blue sky timer breaks off them. 00:31:21.826 --> 00:31:27.700 - Yep. Just stick it on there, just slap it, go, and then they can see it right there. Everyone knows 00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:33.750 - that thing. That's true. Yeah. So that's the thing. The people I'm on wouldn't be able to see. You can 00:31:33.750 --> 00:31:39.624 - still run it on Zoom, but that only thing the older people in your audience do is display it to the 00:31:39.624 --> 00:31:45.910 - podium. To the screen. The screen. That's the only thing a computer does. That's one of the more important 00:31:45.910 --> 00:31:48.318 - things. So running a whole timer system. 00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:55.157 - I can show you what it would look like right here. In Zoom, you guys know how to edit on Zoom? You do, 00:31:55.157 --> 00:32:01.122 - right? Yeah. If you go to More and then click Apps. I'm just going to stop sharing for a second. I know 00:32:01.122 --> 00:32:07.029 - this was something that Ashley tried to do in the meeting and that it was in the middle of the meeting 00:32:07.029 --> 00:32:12.822 - and we just never had to do it again, but I would love to know. There's no reason why we can't do it 00:32:12.822 --> 00:32:16.894 - right now. Anyway, more tools or I don't remember any more host tools. 00:32:17.058 --> 00:32:23.679 - No, that's right there. Timer. That's now you have a timer and then set it, set it for three minutes, 00:32:23.679 --> 00:32:30.494 - right? Or whatever. Yeah. And then, and then click start. Um, and then set it for, set it for less time. 00:32:30.494 --> 00:32:36.985 - Um, so take it down, minimize the screen for a second. Cause it's right. It should be right behind. 00:32:36.985 --> 00:32:39.646 - Okay. Let me give myself some time here. 00:32:49.826 --> 00:32:58.317 - Well, that's what it looks like to you. Oh, that's not what it looks like. Oh, can you show them? 00:32:58.317 --> 00:33:06.982 - I can't see. Okay, so it kind of overlays over the other dimensions. And then it turned yellow. And 00:33:06.982 --> 00:33:12.094 - so you can un-mirror, you can un- and then it plays music. 00:33:13.730 --> 00:33:23.556 - which is nicer than me having to go back real time. I can go for your time. Exactly. So that's a simple 00:33:23.556 --> 00:33:33.192 - solution. Great. So what are our options for getting people there? This is the question that's on the 00:33:33.192 --> 00:33:41.790 - table. We could hire a 10 person. We can beg and plead with the clerks. We can take codes. 00:33:42.274 --> 00:33:54.218 - We can write a law that says that personally the clerk Nicole Bolton will do it. We can do lots of things. 00:33:54.218 --> 00:34:05.827 - And I strongly recommend that question. It does make sense to ask the clerk's office if they're willing 00:34:05.827 --> 00:34:11.966 - and if there needs to be an additional preparation for 00:34:12.898 --> 00:34:22.508 - somebody in the clerk's office to get that to pay or something. Or if there's just not capacity for 00:34:22.508 --> 00:34:32.118 - simple, do something else. I actually remember. I'm so sorry. This is the problem with late nights, 00:34:32.118 --> 00:34:40.094 - early mornings, brain kind of freeze up. I think it's something that we rushed on, 00:34:40.802 --> 00:34:48.180 - didn't dig into the weeds in as an office because of not really knowing what direction we all were going 00:34:48.180 --> 00:34:55.277 - in and wanting to kind of have a better sense of what we need to actually discuss in terms of office 00:34:55.277 --> 00:35:02.515 - capacity. I know there are some limitations on evening hours for staff already. So we usually plan out 00:35:02.515 --> 00:35:06.590 - our schedules for the office at least two months out just 00:35:06.850 --> 00:35:12.808 - Especially this time of year. Especially this time of year. So, I agree with you. I don't think it's 00:35:12.808 --> 00:35:18.707 - impossible, but I would like to be able to touch base with them and because it's holiday weekend, I 00:35:18.707 --> 00:35:24.606 - really won't know for sure until Monday, the earliest. Not opposed to it. I think it's something we 00:35:24.606 --> 00:35:29.502 - can at least make happen until you can get a 10 person in and get them trained up. 00:35:29.602 --> 00:35:38.906 - That's a figuring tentative, like, uh, I think that's a good argument for us getting a temp. I mean, 00:35:38.906 --> 00:35:48.486 - like, uh, you know, hiring, hiring a temporary, uh, you know, legal researcher who, who also does that. 00:35:48.486 --> 00:35:58.526 - Now I, I have to say, I'm, I'm a little hesitant about that because I already feel like it's been difficult. 00:35:59.682 --> 00:36:06.262 - for our staff currently and for council members to know who was in charge of our staff then, who was 00:36:06.262 --> 00:36:13.038 - communicating with them all the time. What, you know, I've heard from Hopi that they, you know, they're 00:36:13.038 --> 00:36:19.618 - a little bit at sea and, you know, we all have other obligations. Nobody, I don't even understand if 00:36:19.618 --> 00:36:26.263 - it's, if it's you, Esau, who is the main point of contact, if it's Courtney, because at some point we 00:36:26.263 --> 00:36:28.478 - said it was going to be Courtney. 00:36:28.770 --> 00:36:37.149 - I'm very confused. So I don't want to add to the confusion by saying, oh, let's hire another person 00:36:37.149 --> 00:36:46.031 - to be confused. Yeah. Well, so here's my assessment on the current staff, which is they have my telephone 00:36:46.031 --> 00:36:54.661 - number. And I was like, text me if you have an issue. I will immediately write you back. And they have 00:36:54.661 --> 00:36:57.342 - never once called or texted me. 00:36:57.442 --> 00:37:03.048 - And then, and so, so then, and then they'll, they were gone for like, not like after spring break, they 00:37:03.048 --> 00:37:08.493 - were gone and Ari is like, not really here. And then Evan was like gone for a couple of days without 00:37:08.493 --> 00:37:13.937 - telling us he was going to be gone. And then came back and was like, I'm going to do the packet now. 00:37:13.937 --> 00:37:17.118 - And we were like, sorry, we already made plans to do that. 00:37:17.282 --> 00:37:25.196 - and then they both shut up from the meeting. So that's like the current state of things is that they're 00:37:25.196 --> 00:37:32.883 - sort of making their own choices and even when given direction, do other things is the current state 00:37:32.883 --> 00:37:40.569 - of affairs. Well, and also when I sent stuff for the patent agenda, I think Clark Baldwin got mad at 00:37:40.569 --> 00:37:41.406 - me because 00:37:41.666 --> 00:37:50.219 - The clerk was supposed to do it and I sent it to council staff and copied the clerk email. Just to clarify, 00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:58.377 - I will tell you very directly if I'm angry, but my writing style tends to be very formal. So sometimes 00:37:58.377 --> 00:38:06.455 - people read that as angry where it's not. Clarification is not the same thing as anger in emails. And 00:38:06.455 --> 00:38:10.494 - when I said people are capable of doing something, 00:38:12.226 --> 00:38:17.539 - I want to make sure that my staff who may read those emails don't think that their capacity or their 00:38:17.539 --> 00:38:23.010 - understanding of their duties is being questioned, which even in fact can be questioned. Sometimes not. 00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:28.744 - Well, again, it's a personal thing. It's just to say, they know what they're doing. They're good. Everything 00:38:28.744 --> 00:38:34.162 - else, that's not. Well, that would inform me that packing it down. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Which 00:38:34.162 --> 00:38:37.950 - is we can have better communication maybe on ESOP that way. Yeah, sure. 00:38:38.146 --> 00:38:46.249 - But I know you're like 29. Exactly. And that's exactly right. Because I think what the four of us have 00:38:46.249 --> 00:38:54.195 - discussed, we're thinking about, OK, these students are not going to be here in three weeks. We have 00:38:54.195 --> 00:39:02.692 - one more meeting with them, and then they're gone. So we're trying to set up a system that works regardless 00:39:02.692 --> 00:39:07.806 - of where our staffing situation is, while also, sorry, go ahead. 00:39:08.386 --> 00:39:16.275 - Oh, but to clarify, and one of the things that we're doing for all council members, because they all 00:39:16.275 --> 00:39:24.242 - asked varying versions of your question as well, is we're just writing up a simple SOP for everybody. 00:39:24.242 --> 00:39:31.038 - This is what you need for packet materials. This is what you need if you want to reach 00:39:32.578 --> 00:39:38.066 - and then she's sitting and cackling over her phone, you know, laughing. Like everybody will kind of 00:39:38.066 --> 00:39:43.608 - have a rough day, not super detailed because I'm pretty sure all of you get like five million emails 00:39:43.608 --> 00:39:49.205 - a day, but something very basic that you can reference and be like, oh, I've got this, I have to send 00:39:49.205 --> 00:39:54.803 - it to this person. Oh, I've got this, I have to send this to this person. Because I think part of the 00:39:54.803 --> 00:40:00.510 - difficulty is you guys are all also trying to communicate without hitting up against serial meetings or 00:40:00.866 --> 00:40:08.143 - and staff and everything else, I think it's helpful to have that kind of point where we're there. Well, 00:40:08.143 --> 00:40:15.279 - you know, Monday through Friday, eight to five, we're there. After that, it's probably better to just 00:40:15.279 --> 00:40:22.276 - reach out to me and I'll be like, I got it, it's there. Or at least we can reserve rooms and do the 00:40:22.276 --> 00:40:29.482 - basics until everybody gets together and we say, do you have this? Just to clarify for clerks that are 00:40:29.482 --> 00:40:30.462 - in that room, 00:40:30.914 --> 00:40:37.220 - If I sent an email in the evening or on the weekends, I do not expect a response. And I hope you're 00:40:37.220 --> 00:40:43.590 - not even going to see it. We do not see it. That's just when I have time. Would it be helpful for me 00:40:43.590 --> 00:40:50.148 - to be on the Zoom so you don't have to keep looking over and asking, are there any people raising their 00:40:50.148 --> 00:40:57.022 - hand during public movement? I'm happy to do that. I mean, I've always felt like I wish there was just a way 00:40:57.218 --> 00:41:03.653 - to just have the Zoom in front of us. Like, I mean, that feels like it. It depends on who is council 00:41:03.653 --> 00:41:10.280 - president. I want to do it. Having that, all of that there depends on the tech savviness of the current 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:16.779 - council president. But can you run the Zoom from- They just move things. I don't see why not. Because 00:41:16.779 --> 00:41:23.533 - that in many ways solves many of the problems, which is- Let's explain the one piece to it. So the reason 00:41:23.533 --> 00:41:26.974 - one of the computers is dedicated to Zoom is to avoid 00:41:27.330 --> 00:41:33.900 - the chat being visible to everyone and then any Zoom bombing, which really doesn't happen anymore. And 00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:40.470 - then there's more reasons to why they originally designed it that way. So part of it was the audio and 00:41:40.470 --> 00:41:47.104 - the video. Do you remember when we were doing the testing of the systems and trying to figure out where 00:41:47.104 --> 00:41:53.547 - we could run the Zoom? And then appulate to the... Council members actually all used to log into the 00:41:53.547 --> 00:41:57.310 - Zoom regularly when we started doing the virtual meetings. 00:41:57.538 --> 00:42:04.265 - you too would remember when we were doing completely virtual meetings and everybody was logged in. So 00:42:04.265 --> 00:42:11.058 - all the council members would log in and they would all automatically be co-hosts because if there was 00:42:11.058 --> 00:42:17.851 - a Zoom bombing or anything else, well, I don't think most of the council members actually actively did 00:42:17.851 --> 00:42:24.050 - it, but they could. So you can all log in and see those things. It's like an extra, you know, 00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:26.622 - half a beat, but I know it's hard also 00:42:26.754 --> 00:42:32.972 - You got the packets, you're taking notes, you're triangulating. Yeah, I would want an extra spring. 00:42:32.972 --> 00:42:39.189 - I wouldn't want to take a flight. Yeah. You know, I mean, I use my computer, so I don't need little 00:42:39.189 --> 00:42:45.718 - attachment monitors and stuff like that. I don't know, but it is something. But it is something, I mean, 00:42:45.718 --> 00:42:52.060 - to Sydney's point. Like, if we actually could, I mean, this is both a cost-saving and a people-saving 00:42:52.060 --> 00:42:56.350 - effort is that, you know, you could have the computer and, you know, 00:42:56.994 --> 00:43:03.905 - There's a person who's chairing and a person who's on the computer. I mean, that's, you know, I, but 00:43:03.905 --> 00:43:11.158 - I also personally, I could be on the computer and run the meeting at the same time. It'd be like teaching 00:43:11.158 --> 00:43:15.742 - a class that's hybrid. It's not not enjoyable, but possible. Yeah. 00:43:16.290 --> 00:43:22.974 - To be clear, are you talking about just doing Zoom or also the AV things? Because those, I don't know 00:43:22.974 --> 00:43:29.592 - if they're going to be the same. What AV things? So tell us the other three things. Just so everyone 00:43:29.592 --> 00:43:36.210 - knows, I have to leave in 12 minutes. I would like to make a decision before that. If you want to do 00:43:36.210 --> 00:43:42.238 - that, then I can. Make the decision that's necessary here. This decision, can we make? Yes? 00:43:42.914 --> 00:43:50.736 - Don't we need to decide if we're going to engage a recruitment firm? Yes, we did say we would have that 00:43:50.736 --> 00:43:58.408 - conversation as well. So maybe we can have that. I can show you if you want in the afterwards. Do you 00:43:58.408 --> 00:44:06.079 - all want to, like, I guess the question is whether we did say that we would like to do this. Would we 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.862 - like to make this a retained search? 00:44:09.730 --> 00:44:16.742 - My thinking is the following with that. It is that you might want to phase that, which is we post it 00:44:16.742 --> 00:44:23.824 - under normal, like the normal way. And then if you're not getting a lot of traction, you turn it into 00:44:23.824 --> 00:44:30.766 - a retained search. And I'll explain why. I think you get the most value out of a retained search if 00:44:30.766 --> 00:44:38.334 - the people are also helping you shape the description of the job in the first place. I think that us sort of 00:44:38.754 --> 00:44:44.355 - We already decided the direction we're going to go in, we came up with the job description, we posted 00:44:44.355 --> 00:44:47.870 - job description, getting a company to do the retain search now. 00:44:47.970 --> 00:44:56.635 - It's not worth 33% of like the reason they pay so much because they also consult you along the process 00:44:56.635 --> 00:45:05.721 - of how do I make this type of job attractive to this type of person? And so my recommendation, particularly 00:45:05.721 --> 00:45:12.030 - because we have a very great external law firm we can work with. We have a 00:45:12.162 --> 00:45:19.413 - very great candidate who is local, who knows all of our processes, who's willing to stay through budget. 00:45:19.413 --> 00:45:26.318 - Of course, things could change. I mean, a good move for something. But I think that because we have 00:45:26.318 --> 00:45:33.569 - the support necessary, I just don't know if it's worth pursuing at this time. I agree. I agree. It feels 00:45:33.569 --> 00:45:40.958 - like a waste. Yeah, I agree at this point. If we do not get qualified applicants, we might want to engage. 00:45:41.218 --> 00:45:46.945 - a recruitment firm, it might not be the same level of contract, you know, to focus. And I think at that 00:45:46.945 --> 00:45:52.507 - point, you know, if we put this out on the market and it's like nothing, like we're getting nothing, 00:45:52.507 --> 00:45:58.234 - I think then it's back to the drawing board. It's like, look, there's something, there's something that 00:45:58.234 --> 00:46:03.851 - we're dealing with here that's beyond, you know, so we want to address that in some different way. In 00:46:03.851 --> 00:46:09.854 - terms of timing, are you going to, if the job is open through the end of April, will you be doing interviews 00:46:09.986 --> 00:46:19.227 - and route that time and if so, we'll need to schedule those. That's a really important question is whether 00:46:19.227 --> 00:46:28.037 - we want to, yeah, so whether you would all want to do it in a rolling basis or whether we want to set 00:46:28.037 --> 00:46:36.674 - a date by which we look at things and make decisions. Or if you get applicants. For the interviews, 00:46:36.674 --> 00:46:38.142 - interview during 00:46:38.306 --> 00:46:45.573 - the time period that the application is open. Well, so let's say that we do that. We have done that. 00:46:45.573 --> 00:46:52.839 - We've done both, yeah. We did both. If we get it out on the 10th, it should be ready by the 30th, so 00:46:52.839 --> 00:46:59.962 - we could look at years in the first two weeks of May. So you would want to wait until it's closed. 00:46:59.962 --> 00:47:05.790 - I would. Yeah, I think that's preferable, unless we're in a big, really big hub. 00:47:06.146 --> 00:47:15.467 - I mean, wait, wait, wait till closest interview. Yeah. So that we can actually compare candidates and 00:47:15.467 --> 00:47:24.879 - not just say, oh, this one looks great. We compare them as, you know, as the process of state applied. 00:47:24.879 --> 00:47:30.270 - I mean, the hypotheticals that you get, you get, you know, 00:47:30.370 --> 00:47:37.467 - let's just give them a score, a person who scores an 80 on our value thing. And we're like, great, let's 00:47:37.467 --> 00:47:44.293 - interview this person. We like them. And then we wait and we wait and wait. Week goes by, and then a 00:47:44.293 --> 00:47:51.052 - person with a 98 applies. And now we've made significant motion toward the person who is an 80. The 00:47:51.052 --> 00:47:58.622 - software that the HR department uses for reviewing applications allows for ranking candidates and scoring them. 00:47:58.722 --> 00:48:04.595 - So when you guys all get your training on that software to look at the applicants, which you can do 00:48:04.595 --> 00:48:10.820 - at any given time, you can all individually go through and look at it. And then when we get some guidance 00:48:10.820 --> 00:48:16.692 - about the whole serial needy thing again, but you can do some sort of rankings so that when you get 00:48:16.692 --> 00:48:22.741 - in here and you can say everybody who got ranked above the three is who we're going to at least do our 00:48:22.741 --> 00:48:26.206 - initial phone interviews with before you then go into your 00:48:26.786 --> 00:48:34.285 - first real interviews because he may talk to somebody on the phone and, you know, find out they're that 00:48:34.285 --> 00:48:41.784 - person. If there's a qualified candidate, a phone interview while it's open could be possible. But then 00:48:41.784 --> 00:48:49.139 - a formal interview would not happen until after it's closed. Or you could just wait until it's closed 00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:51.518 - and do phone interviews and just 00:48:51.874 --> 00:48:58.593 - Yeah. So flip side under the argument is that if we get a very good candidate applying, what we wouldn't 00:48:58.593 --> 00:49:04.992 - want to happen is that they apply and then they get another offer in the time. Exactly. And so. Can 00:49:04.992 --> 00:49:11.711 - we play it by ear as we get candidates in? If three of us feel like we want to interview somebody early, 00:49:11.711 --> 00:49:18.302 - then yeah. I think that's appropriate. I guess I brought it up in terms of scheduling. So in speaking, 00:49:18.302 --> 00:49:19.966 - I know you need to leave. 00:49:20.194 --> 00:49:28.548 - Does this committee want to meet again? And if so, can we schedule that before you leave? Yeah, please. 00:49:28.548 --> 00:49:36.981 - So I think should we also schedule out, like, interview times, like, and all those things at this point? 00:49:36.981 --> 00:49:45.014 - We could also set a poll. Yeah, yeah. So what's our next point of business? Do we have any business 00:49:45.014 --> 00:49:47.102 - before we get applicants? 00:49:47.586 --> 00:49:55.490 - You're going to have to figure out what you're doing for your Zoom stuff, um, moving forward after the 00:49:55.490 --> 00:50:03.164 - 22nd. So that's going to be your next point as far as I know. We want a tent, but yeah. The tent or 00:50:03.164 --> 00:50:10.838 - some sort of agreement with the clerk staff or, um, if you want more participation. So in terms of, 00:50:10.838 --> 00:50:16.670 - or pass an ordinance to name clinical and do it first of all, specifically. 00:50:17.858 --> 00:50:24.777 - I mean, again, if you all are happy to, I'm happy to work through the process of making all of that 00:50:24.777 --> 00:50:31.766 - happen. Like, I don't think we need to necessarily reach to figure out how we're going to run a Zoom 00:50:31.766 --> 00:50:38.685 - meeting. Well, but I think we would need to meet if we're gonna decide to spend money on an interim 00:50:38.685 --> 00:50:45.605 - administrative person. Yeah. So how about assuming the conversation goes well this evening with the 00:50:45.605 --> 00:50:46.366 - candidate? 00:50:47.042 --> 00:51:05.672 - Then our next meeting is on April 15th. Would you all like to meet on the 14th? That's Tuesday? 00:51:05.672 --> 00:51:16.734 - What time? This time, 5.30. That would work for me. Yes. 00:51:19.010 --> 00:51:37.912 - Yeah. I have to speak at a school in Indianapolis that morning, so I don't know if I'm going to come 00:51:37.912 --> 00:51:48.766 - back, but I'm going to stay. Hopefully by then have hired 00:51:49.122 --> 00:51:55.369 - hire the temp attorney and then we'll know whether or not they're willing to staff the things around 00:51:55.369 --> 00:52:01.739 - the zoom if if they're not then we can do the question of about if that's happening um and we can find 00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:07.986 - out if kelly from it could continue to be there now right because i think we need do need two people 00:52:07.986 --> 00:52:14.356 - at the desk as long as we keep the timer but they just said if you get rid of the timer you don't need 00:52:14.356 --> 00:52:17.758 - two people right would you agree with that call we can 00:52:19.234 --> 00:52:25.937 - Well, I think depends on how much you want the, how in depth the meeting is as well. I'm sure you want 00:52:25.937 --> 00:52:32.639 - to be trying to be having this. It's not just also having also have people who are like. Eating things 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:39.407 - in a chat that you have to respond to as well, especially during those high volume meetings, where he's 00:52:39.407 --> 00:52:44.222 - really want your extension. Yeah. Yeah. So there's sort of nonstop. It's. 00:52:44.802 --> 00:52:51.199 - And you at least have to continue to keep checking kind of how we do here as we look at the participants. 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:57.415 - It's kind of easier to have somebody don't look at them and that kind of initiates not looking. I see, 00:52:57.415 --> 00:53:03.570 - I see. Yeah, that makes sense. So I see where you need two people. Okay. All right, we'll see you all 00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:09.665 - on the 14th and we can move forward with the decision of a 10th person. So you couldn't stop asking. 00:53:09.665 --> 00:53:11.838 - Bye Gigi. Yeah, I'll find that out. 00:53:14.562 --> 00:53:19.870 - So thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. We're adjourned.