WEBVTT 00:00:00.194 --> 00:00:08.928 - and so we will go ahead and get started. So I will call our meeting to order. This is the joint county 00:00:08.928 --> 00:00:16.645 - council and city council along with our mayor and we have a commissioner joining us today. 00:00:16.645 --> 00:00:25.209 - Today is Thursday, June 11th, 2026, and the time is 6.03. And so we have a quorum of county council. 00:00:25.209 --> 00:00:29.534 - To my right here, we have counselors Wilts, Henry, 00:00:29.858 --> 00:00:36.570 - We also have Deckard and Fidel and joining us virtually we have councilmember Hawk and I will kick it 00:00:36.570 --> 00:00:43.150 - over to the City Council Vice President Sydney Zulek. Thank you Can we have the clerk call the roll 00:00:43.150 --> 00:00:50.059 - or should I just okay? Nope, I will announce people Okay, we have councilmembers Rallo Stasberg Flaherty 00:00:50.059 --> 00:00:56.837 - Zulek Daly and Ruff in attendance with us today and I'll kick it back to councilmember Crossley. Thank 00:00:56.837 --> 00:00:57.758 - you very much 00:00:58.882 --> 00:01:08.633 - game of kickball. Okay, before we go ahead and get started with this, I want to go ahead and have a 00:01:08.633 --> 00:01:15.166 - conversation with saying thank you to our city colleagues who have 00:01:15.586 --> 00:01:22.683 - taken to the invitation to come with us together. I also want to give a special thank you to Mayor Kerry 00:01:22.683 --> 00:01:29.442 - Thompson for joining us. But the other thing that I want to make sure that we also note as well too 00:01:29.442 --> 00:01:36.404 - is that we do have a county commissioner, Commissioner Madera, that is joining us as well. I know I've 00:01:36.404 --> 00:01:42.014 - gotten some questions about who was invited and who's not. And so I wanted to say, 00:01:42.306 --> 00:01:48.197 - as we had discussed on the 26th when we were making our decisions that we wanted to have a 00:01:48.197 --> 00:01:54.671 - joint collaboration with our city colleagues, with us here in the county as well. We did invite the 00:01:54.671 --> 00:02:01.403 - commissioners and the sheriffs as well. However, we do have commissioner Madeira here. Some individuals 00:02:01.403 --> 00:02:08.395 - respectfully declined to participate, but nonetheless, we have what we need here to keep doing the business 00:02:08.395 --> 00:02:10.078 - at hand. So we have that. 00:02:10.626 --> 00:02:16.516 - Council President Crossley? Yes. I got a note that Councilmember Piedmont-Smith is on Teams. Oh, I am 00:02:16.516 --> 00:02:22.810 - so sorry. No problem. I didn't notice either. Just wanted to read it for the record. Yay, we have everybody. 00:02:22.810 --> 00:02:24.254 - Or just about everybody. 00:02:24.354 --> 00:02:30.178 - wanted to make sure that we are saying this. Because in our last meeting, I know we kept saying, we're 00:02:30.178 --> 00:02:35.833 - saying no to things, but we're saying yes. And saying yes is having this conversation, much as what 00:02:35.833 --> 00:02:41.487 - we've had tonight. I think I dreamed about something like this, much so than we did a few years ago 00:02:41.487 --> 00:02:47.255 - when the convention center expansion conversation was happening. We got in a bigger room to talk. And 00:02:47.255 --> 00:02:53.758 - I think we need to do more of this. And I appreciated that. That was actually something that Mayor Kerry had said. 00:02:53.858 --> 00:03:01.695 - way back when and I appreciate that. So without further ado, I will also say tonight's conversation 00:03:01.695 --> 00:03:09.689 - is going to be a little different. I am not going to be chairing this meeting, but I think one of the 00:03:09.689 --> 00:03:17.526 - biggest things that I wanted to do is sometimes leaders kind of have to take a step back and really 00:03:17.526 --> 00:03:23.326 - try to look at some good things and people that really do some good work. 00:03:23.426 --> 00:03:33.849 - And so I have asked for a co-facilitator, Kate Wiltz and Mayor Carey to collaborate together. And we 00:03:33.849 --> 00:03:44.272 - will do this together in a collaborative approach. And they both said yes to this and I will kick it 00:03:44.272 --> 00:03:51.806 - back over to them. So thank you very much. Thank you. I can get started. 00:03:51.938 --> 00:04:03.794 - I want to start by just saying that while I am happy to help facilitate discussion here, this meeting 00:04:03.794 --> 00:04:15.883 - is is really a collaboration session to see how the city can assist the county in getting a jail built. 00:04:15.883 --> 00:04:17.278 - The jail is 00:04:17.506 --> 00:04:26.064 - the county's project, obviously, the county runs the jail, the county will build the jail. But obviously, 00:04:26.064 --> 00:04:34.299 - the jail impacts our entire community. And so while the mayor does not per se have oversight over the 00:04:34.299 --> 00:04:41.726 - jail, nor does the city council. This is something that impacts our entire community. And I 00:04:42.690 --> 00:04:53.978 - I won't speak for my council colleagues, but they have taken official action to express their desire 00:04:53.978 --> 00:04:59.454 - to support innovative solutions around the jail. 00:04:59.746 --> 00:05:08.393 - I am here likewise to make sure that we do everything we possibly can to make sure that when this new 00:05:08.393 --> 00:05:17.126 - jail gets built, and that is a foregone conclusion, we need a new jail, that we carry that project out 00:05:17.126 --> 00:05:25.773 - in the best way possible. And so to that end, we have a couple of framing questions that we wanted to 00:05:25.773 --> 00:05:28.062 - pose to the group tonight. 00:05:28.290 --> 00:05:38.857 - If we can, oh, I get to kick it over to Kate, who's gonna go through our operating assumptions and rules. 00:05:38.857 --> 00:05:49.025 - Our community rules. Community rules. Two things. I agree that this is meant to be very deliberative, 00:05:49.025 --> 00:05:57.598 - very collaborative, and I really appreciate the support that the city colleagues here 00:05:58.082 --> 00:06:07.483 - have shown just by even coming tonight. But what I'd like to make sure that we do is especially for 00:06:07.483 --> 00:06:16.977 - the county side of the table. But we've all taken time on this issue and said a lot of things. And I 00:06:16.977 --> 00:06:26.942 - think we've been pretty clear on our opinions. And today I would respectfully ask that we stay focused on 00:06:27.138 --> 00:06:37.916 - the questions that we're here to answer, and that we have goals at hand, which are coming in a moment. 00:06:37.916 --> 00:06:49.112 - The other thing is, of course, respect and try to pass the little talkie baton, so to speak, in a generous 00:06:49.112 --> 00:06:55.390 - manner. So we'll try to keep everybody on task, and we will 00:06:55.522 --> 00:07:06.380 - try to keep us focused, and I just ask for your assistance with both those things. So when I was talking 00:07:06.380 --> 00:07:16.823 - with Councilor Crossley and Mayor Thompson about what our goal today is, the things that came to the 00:07:16.823 --> 00:07:25.406 - surface are we want to make sure that we, as a collective group here, align around 00:07:25.826 --> 00:07:37.779 - where we are in this process and what's happening next. And in order to do that, I think we need to 00:07:37.779 --> 00:07:50.449 - discuss and lay out next steps and a timeline for that and identify the actions each of us as individuals 00:07:50.449 --> 00:07:55.230 - and collectively need to take to get to 00:07:55.522 --> 00:08:04.225 - a jail, a construction of a jail, to be specific. So between today and jail construction, I'd like for 00:08:04.225 --> 00:08:12.674 - us to think about what our roles are, what needs to happen, and we have some ideas on what needs to 00:08:12.674 --> 00:08:21.461 - happen. That doesn't have to be whole cloth, but I think getting some agreement around how we get there 00:08:21.461 --> 00:08:23.742 - and doing so in a way that 00:08:24.546 --> 00:08:34.178 - we can maybe make a formal commitment together to work on what we come up with as those items. That's 00:08:34.178 --> 00:08:43.809 - a lot of words. Usually goals are more succinct than that. But I want, first of all, to see if anyone 00:08:43.809 --> 00:08:49.758 - has an edit or a concern around that purpose for this meeting. 00:08:54.946 --> 00:09:07.133 - So I always have questions. So this one is, is there a timeline with which we think we're working? Yes. 00:09:07.133 --> 00:09:18.852 - I think that what we need to do is get there as fast as we can and talk about what that looks like. 00:09:18.852 --> 00:09:23.422 - So I think that our meeting won't have 00:09:23.970 --> 00:09:33.339 - much impact if we don't leave having made some official decisions on next steps that we can agree to. 00:09:33.339 --> 00:09:43.443 - Those steps may have steps on the city part and on the county part. And while it's great to have deliberative 00:09:43.443 --> 00:09:48.862 - dialogue, we really are in a position now where the county 00:09:49.314 --> 00:10:00.625 - has to make some decisions. And so I would just ask that as we're talking, we're talking tangibly about 00:10:00.625 --> 00:10:11.501 - how we can participate in moving this forward and what that will look like for each entity, each of 00:10:11.501 --> 00:10:17.918 - four entities. Hi. To that end, I think it might be useful 00:10:18.338 --> 00:10:26.473 - for, in sort of a brainstorming way, us to go around and each identify something that you see that needs 00:10:26.473 --> 00:10:34.297 - to be done to get us toward the construction of the jail, and meaning that you don't have to come up 00:10:34.297 --> 00:10:42.277 - with the full list yourself. Come up with one tangible item, we'll list the items, assuming that there 00:10:42.277 --> 00:10:45.918 - are markers. Are there markers for that thing? 00:10:46.786 --> 00:10:55.520 - Did we just get a white board with nothing? Sorry, that was cut from the budget. Don't worry, this is 00:10:55.520 --> 00:11:04.255 - my time to take over with pink. Is that like an eraser? White board. Oh, that's rough. I thought that 00:11:04.255 --> 00:11:12.818 - was a black pad. Yeah, it looks like we are getting some. Yeah, they're getting some. All right. In 00:11:12.818 --> 00:11:16.414 - the meantime, I will write it on a paper. 00:11:20.738 --> 00:11:30.454 - I can't even introduce myself with one thing. Well, okay. I think we need a shared vision of what it 00:11:30.454 --> 00:11:40.267 - is we're building. That has been elusive on the county side. The city partners, of course, don't have 00:11:40.267 --> 00:11:49.598 - a direct say in that, but ultimately when we say jail, which is what we were being sued over, or 00:11:49.730 --> 00:12:00.860 - challenged about that is not a lot of the other things that have been added on over the past designs, 00:12:00.860 --> 00:12:11.771 - right? So what is required versus what's desired, I think, and understanding that. Make sure we all 00:12:11.771 --> 00:12:17.118 - share and understand that. Commissioner Madeira? 00:12:19.138 --> 00:12:26.589 - I would say to build on that, we need that within a certain period of time. So we don't have forever, 00:12:26.589 --> 00:12:33.968 - and it's not according to community preference. We also have that third party in the room. We need a 00:12:33.968 --> 00:12:41.054 - deadline, but we also need something that's not just community preferable, but court preferable. 00:12:48.962 --> 00:12:56.581 - So I'll state the obvious, which is location, location, location, because that obviously plays into 00:12:56.581 --> 00:13:04.200 - a lot of things. But I won't take up too much longer because I think Councilmember Henry said it as 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:11.971 - well is what do we need, what's required and go from there. I'm going to jump on to location as well. 00:13:11.971 --> 00:13:18.142 - And in the premise that I hear it from a lot of folks in the community that say, 00:13:18.722 --> 00:13:25.447 - they're not sure we have exhaustively put a call to the community for any and all location that fits 00:13:25.447 --> 00:13:32.372 - kind of a criteria within the city. And so I would sort of say that to all of us. What are those places 00:13:32.372 --> 00:13:39.164 - that are not places that, or what are those places that could be viable, perhaps could be viable with 00:13:39.164 --> 00:13:45.822 - a slight relook from where they are now. And for us to think a little bit exhaustively around that, 00:13:45.954 --> 00:13:52.464 - with the demands that we have, which is that it's access to resources, et cetera, so that we're thinking 00:13:52.464 --> 00:13:58.727 - creatively. And it could be the real estate communities engaged on that. It could be just some other 00:13:58.727 --> 00:14:04.989 - folks not in this room. But truly, what is the end-all, be-all list of places that might factor into 00:14:04.989 --> 00:14:11.438 - this so that we're not just siloed into, oh, we've been talking about that for a long time, so I'm just 00:14:11.438 --> 00:14:15.902 - gonna keep saying that word. So that's what I thought. So I think size. 00:14:16.066 --> 00:14:25.485 - I think we have to agree on what size of a facility we need and what's. So I think size, what size do 00:14:25.485 --> 00:14:34.903 - we need and what is going to be in the facility, right? Oh, mine's not working. Might need to pull it 00:14:34.903 --> 00:14:41.182 - as close as possible. So if I didn't need to say it again, size and 00:14:41.346 --> 00:14:50.379 - What is the purpose of the size of the facility? What purposes are gonna be in the facility? Is it just 00:14:50.379 --> 00:14:59.065 - the jail? What is it that's gonna be in the facility? Thanks. Is this working? Yes. Okay. I'll just 00:14:59.065 --> 00:15:07.751 - cut to the chase. My preference has always been for a jail to be proximal to downtown or within the 00:15:07.751 --> 00:15:09.054 - city at least. 00:15:09.378 --> 00:15:16.562 - I voted against the Fullerton option. I'm open-minded about various options, but I've always thought 00:15:16.562 --> 00:15:23.817 - for decades now that Thompson was the site, the preferred site. So, I mean, I'm in a position perhaps 00:15:23.817 --> 00:15:31.214 - of a site location and zoning as, you know, any approval by council. And, you know, I'm looking forward 00:15:31.214 --> 00:15:39.038 - to working with you to that end. But I'm sort of a tabula rasa if you have ideas about where else it might go 00:15:39.266 --> 00:15:46.965 - You know, what we can do. I'm open for that. North Park is not preferred by me, and I appreciate the 00:15:46.965 --> 00:15:54.588 - efforts that has been done to preclude that. Thank you. I have to jump on the location bandwagon. I 00:15:54.588 --> 00:16:02.211 - think that that seems to be a huge question right now, and we need to figure out where something is 00:16:02.211 --> 00:16:04.574 - going to go and go from there. 00:16:06.850 --> 00:16:13.669 - I think some combination of several of county council colleagues, specifically what is required for 00:16:13.669 --> 00:16:20.830 - a location. I think Councilor Feidl was getting at that. So depending on what your assumptions are about 00:16:20.830 --> 00:16:27.717 - what is required as a bare minimum and on what timeline, that's going to dictate how creative we can 00:16:27.717 --> 00:16:34.605 - be about location. And so narrowly scoping that to keep, I think, the locational options as flexible 00:16:34.605 --> 00:16:36.446 - and as many as possible as 00:16:37.250 --> 00:16:43.931 - Well, that's not a tangible step. That's a preference. But that's where I was going. I'm going to take 00:16:43.931 --> 00:16:50.547 - us a different route. I am curious as to the number of beds that we actually need and how that number 00:16:50.547 --> 00:16:57.033 - might change with different prevention efforts. I think that prevention is one of the opportunities 00:16:57.033 --> 00:17:03.779 - that the city has to better collaborate with the county. If we decrease the amount of beds, the project 00:17:03.779 --> 00:17:05.790 - is, in theory, less expensive. 00:17:10.466 --> 00:17:18.459 - Kind of going back to the, you know, pulling back further what we need between now and the end of this 00:17:18.459 --> 00:17:26.220 - process, you know, and other things that we need to kind of keep in mind and put on the table is we 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:34.058 - need community buy-in. We also need buy-in, you know, and support from the sheriff's office as well. 00:17:34.058 --> 00:17:39.102 - We need to take their viewpoints all into consideration as well. 00:17:39.746 --> 00:17:47.620 - Do you have to hold your finger on it the entire time? No. You just talk. Just talk. So there's probably 00:17:47.620 --> 00:17:55.194 - 1,000 people in this town that know far more about this issue than I do, the practical nature of it, 00:17:55.194 --> 00:18:02.918 - the history of it, the needs, everything. So I say this in all humility to weigh in in any way, shape, 00:18:02.918 --> 00:18:05.918 - or form. But I think with any location, 00:18:06.530 --> 00:18:15.871 - I really want to see, I would like to see, the community needs to see some, what I would call full cost 00:18:15.871 --> 00:18:23.326 - accounting of what the full costs are. Not just construction costs, but impacts on 00:18:23.426 --> 00:18:29.963 - incarcerated folks, their families, all the coming, environmental impacts of all the comings and goings, 00:18:29.963 --> 00:18:36.189 - not just environmental impacts of materials and construction, of decades and decades of comings and 00:18:36.189 --> 00:18:42.726 - goings compared to where it is now. Impacts on existing users in whatever area it might go. Put a dollar 00:18:42.726 --> 00:18:49.076 - value to all these things. Some, I know it's hard, but come up with some kind of dollar value that if 00:18:49.076 --> 00:18:53.310 - we move and build a new facility in a new place, it's going to have 00:18:53.538 --> 00:19:04.412 - some real impacts on existing users and users, residents, business, whoever's there, any institution 00:19:04.412 --> 00:19:15.825 - like this. And so I would really like to see accounting for those costs when we actually make comparisons 00:19:15.825 --> 00:19:20.670 - for different possible locations. Thank you. 00:19:22.818 --> 00:19:34.263 - I know we have two members who are joining virtually. Council member Hawk, would you like to offer input? 00:19:34.263 --> 00:19:45.815 - Yes. What I'd like to make sure is for this is making noises here. I'd like to make sure that we recognize 00:19:45.815 --> 00:19:50.782 - the purpose of this meeting was for location. 00:19:50.978 --> 00:19:58.543 - At least that's what the agenda showed me. And I think that if you're ever going to get to the end of 00:19:58.543 --> 00:20:06.035 - what we need to do, we have to start. And the start is finding the right location. And certainly, we 00:20:06.035 --> 00:20:13.526 - already have property that's paid for. If we can make that work, I would like to see it there. If it 00:20:13.526 --> 00:20:18.718 - doesn't work there, then I would like for us to move on to Fullerton. 00:20:19.458 --> 00:20:30.564 - But what we need to see is which of those two would the county council and city council agree to because 00:20:30.564 --> 00:20:41.141 - we know that planning has to help with that. And we also need to make sure that we are in agreement 00:20:41.141 --> 00:20:48.862 - on that. And we understand starting the process is not having to do with 00:20:48.994 --> 00:21:01.131 - what's going to be in the jail. It has to do with the location. We need to get that started first. 00:21:01.131 --> 00:21:14.617 - Thank you. And Council Member Piedmont-Smith. Yes, thank you. I would just add concurrent to the construction 00:21:14.617 --> 00:21:15.966 - of a jail. 00:21:16.162 --> 00:21:26.088 - there should be continued collaboration on prevention efforts and also on well this is more just county 00:21:26.088 --> 00:21:35.633 - but continued support of the current jail and immediate remedies to any unconstitutional aspects of 00:21:35.633 --> 00:21:44.318 - the current jail because whatever it is that we agree to no matter how fast we go it'll be 00:21:44.610 --> 00:21:56.380 - a few years before there's a new jail. Thank you. Have any other council members joined online that 00:21:56.380 --> 00:22:08.386 - have not been called upon yet? No, we're good. Okay. I'll add my two cents. I would agree location is 00:22:08.386 --> 00:22:10.622 - the most important 00:22:10.818 --> 00:22:20.378 - thing for us to figure out that is, of course, impacted by the various other questions that have been 00:22:20.378 --> 00:22:30.500 - brought up by these bodies. And I would say the way I would frame the location would be we need to expedite 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:36.030 - the process for a single alternative location. And I would 00:22:36.354 --> 00:22:46.480 - I frankly recommend doing that with a smaller body that comes back to a larger body, because with the 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:57.400 - court case as it is, we've already run out of time. And so an exhaustive process on many different properties 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:05.342 - is probably unrealistic, especially because that process would warrant a design 00:23:05.602 --> 00:23:18.005 - specific to each one of those sites. And so I think if we want to make some progress, my two cents would 00:23:18.005 --> 00:23:30.173 - be, let's pick a single alternative site fairly quickly. Not in this meeting, to be clear. Thanks. And 00:23:30.173 --> 00:23:35.134 - I think one of my... You should carry it. 00:23:35.586 --> 00:23:48.036 - I think what the mayor said actually kind of sums up a lot of what's here, not everything of course. 00:23:48.036 --> 00:24:00.979 - That in order to streamline our work tonight, that we should focus on how we get to the location because 00:24:00.979 --> 00:24:03.198 - that's a tangible 00:24:03.298 --> 00:24:13.626 - that we know we have to have before we can go any further. And we have a lot of information from the 00:24:13.626 --> 00:24:24.260 - work that our transition teams have done. And so we do have a lot of information about size and related 00:24:24.260 --> 00:24:33.054 - purposes for the design that exists. And we know kind of preferences from the various 00:24:33.570 --> 00:24:42.987 - county departments involved in a justice center and what they have said they need and the scaled back 00:24:42.987 --> 00:24:52.404 - version of what they say they need as well given, you know, budget constraints. So we've had a lot of 00:24:52.404 --> 00:25:01.913 - that information gathered. I totally see how that is related to and will inform what happens on a site 00:25:01.913 --> 00:25:03.390 - that we choose. 00:25:04.322 --> 00:25:14.343 - But we need to get to a site. And in order to vet sites or a site, there are probably some key things 00:25:14.343 --> 00:25:24.168 - that have to be either discussed, decided, or just have happen. I'm thinking around, I think it was 00:25:24.168 --> 00:25:33.502 - Councilor Aralo who said something along the lines of zoning. We know that there are processes 00:25:33.634 --> 00:25:44.095 - If we are looking in city limits, and I'm kind of gathering that from the letter, from what I've heard, 00:25:44.095 --> 00:25:54.355 - that is a preference that we build in city limits. If we can make that assumption as a boundary, then 00:25:54.355 --> 00:26:03.006 - we can take a next step and look at what are the processes and steps that get us from 00:26:03.810 --> 00:26:13.816 - Just having some ideas around what properties might work to building on a site. Reactions and thoughts 00:26:13.816 --> 00:26:23.530 - about that. So are we looking for factors for a site? I honestly don't think that we can... I think 00:26:23.530 --> 00:26:33.438 - we've already... I think we've vetted a lot of the factors already. And that's what a lot of this is. 00:26:33.794 --> 00:26:41.122 - Really? Yeah. I don't see a whole lot up there that I would put on a list. So I would summarize six 00:26:41.122 --> 00:26:48.670 - factors for a site just to be bold. I will take notes on those. I would say that we need site control. 00:26:48.670 --> 00:26:55.997 - The county owns it and can acquire it immediately. I think we need legal permissibility. The zoning 00:26:55.997 --> 00:26:58.782 - or permitting path is clear and fast. 00:26:59.554 --> 00:27:10.089 - I think we need construction feasibility. There's no or few known utility, road, environmental, geotechnical, 00:27:10.089 --> 00:27:19.953 - or design barriers that cause major delay. The second is, so we need site control or county ownership, 00:27:19.953 --> 00:27:28.094 - legal permissibility, or clear zoning or permitting paths, construction feasibility, 00:27:28.866 --> 00:27:38.294 - So no known utility road, environmental, geotechnical, design, major delays. We need operational adequacy. 00:27:38.294 --> 00:27:47.633 - In other words, sheriff and design professionals confirm that it can support their needs, classification, 00:27:47.633 --> 00:27:56.797 - circulation, intake. We need a fiscal path. Can we fund it and vote on a timeline? And is it defensible 00:27:56.797 --> 00:27:57.854 - to a court? 00:27:58.402 --> 00:28:07.507 - In other words, can council present it as a reasonable, timely remedy in federal litigation? I'm guessing 00:28:07.507 --> 00:28:16.441 - that six hangs on the rest of them. Yeah. But I think that that's a good independent consideration too. 00:28:16.441 --> 00:28:25.374 - Can I ask a clear question? Is that OK? That's related. And pardon my ignorance on this, because I just 00:28:26.050 --> 00:28:34.121 - Don't follow this issue as closely as you all do, of course. Implicit in a lot of what's being talked 00:28:34.121 --> 00:28:42.351 - about is that the urgency of ensuring we have a constitutional justice or jail and that we need to have 00:28:42.351 --> 00:28:50.263 - a plan in place. Is it impossible or is it possible? And how much have you all explored? And again, 00:28:50.263 --> 00:28:55.486 - I don't mean to derail. I'm just curious because it informs this. 00:28:55.682 --> 00:29:02.823 - flexible that timeline is, not based only on what the plan is, but how much we are resourcing an existing 00:29:02.823 --> 00:29:09.763 - building that may be unconstitutional in this level of care now. I don't know. But I guess I'm asking, 00:29:09.763 --> 00:29:16.904 - is it possible with a real investment, several million a year, I don't know, something, to buy yourselves 00:29:16.904 --> 00:29:24.382 - two years while you think more creatively? So I'm seeing a head shaking no, so someone thinks it's impossible. 00:29:25.122 --> 00:29:33.806 - Can we kick that back to our county attorney who probably knows the answer to that? Molly's right there, 00:29:33.806 --> 00:29:42.656 - so. Yeah. So just to make sure I understand the question, is your question inquiring whether it's possible 00:29:42.656 --> 00:29:51.341 - to remedy the current conditions to an essence by time on building the lawsuit? Yes, even on a temporary 00:29:51.341 --> 00:29:53.822 - basis. OK. So let me pull up. 00:29:56.322 --> 00:30:04.516 - In 2020, the county had a study commissioned by Mr. Kinray. And that study lists several unconstitutional 00:30:04.516 --> 00:30:12.787 - or conditions that would need remedied. I haven't read that. Most of those conditions require the addition 00:30:12.787 --> 00:30:20.595 - of space. And so I don't think that it would be possible to add space to the current facility. There 00:30:20.595 --> 00:30:25.310 - is a cost, and I can try to find it, a cost analysis of what 00:30:25.954 --> 00:30:33.892 - of those conditions we could fix, what it would cost. If you give me a second, I can try to find it. 00:30:33.892 --> 00:30:41.909 - I think Mr. Cockrell is going to come way in while I look for that document. Maybe the consensus view 00:30:41.909 --> 00:30:50.398 - of county elected officials is that it's impossible to buy time through investment in the current facility. 00:30:50.658 --> 00:30:56.897 - I see some heads going either way. I guess my response, and Jeff Cockrell, County Attorney, my response 00:30:56.897 --> 00:31:03.496 - is there's probably not a way to avoid additional litigation, but I would anticipate that once the litigation 00:31:03.496 --> 00:31:09.735 - begins, if we had some kind of settlement agreement, there would be some interim steps. I mean, I think 00:31:09.735 --> 00:31:14.174 - it's been mentioned before, we're not going to be able to build this jail 00:31:15.106 --> 00:31:21.461 - in the next few years, right? So there has to be some interim steps that we could take as that process 00:31:21.461 --> 00:31:27.755 - is going forward. What those are, I mean, that's a matter that we'll have to get to. Does that answer 00:31:27.755 --> 00:31:34.048 - your question? It is very helpful. Thank you. Again, I didn't mean to derail. It sounds like there is 00:31:34.048 --> 00:31:40.280 - a little bit of a diversity of viewpoint. It has bearing just like how many beds has bearing on site 00:31:40.280 --> 00:31:44.414 - selection. And so I'm not in a position to say one way or another. 00:31:44.866 --> 00:31:53.604 - If that's possible. But I wanted to ask. Thank you. I have a different clarifying question. I've heard 00:31:53.604 --> 00:32:02.258 - different. All on you next. Councilmember Rallo. Go ahead. That's OK. I just actually following up on 00:32:02.258 --> 00:32:11.166 - Councilmember Flaherty's his question. There was overflow of space located in the county parking garage. 00:32:11.426 --> 00:32:20.399 - Is that being utilized right now, and is there any possibility for that to be expanded on? I don't think 00:32:20.399 --> 00:32:28.945 - that they're really... That's where the Stride Center is, and there's no other space allotted to... 00:32:28.945 --> 00:32:38.174 - Okay. Just checking. Thanks. It's not significant square footage either. Is Thompson zoned for a jail? Yes. 00:32:41.186 --> 00:32:49.803 - I don't know if everyone else is thinking this, but that does seem like one of the more appealing properties 00:32:49.803 --> 00:32:57.709 - out of the ones that we have. And it's currently on the table, so it might be worth starting there. 00:32:57.709 --> 00:33:05.773 - I'd like to make a public motion that we stop referring to it as the Thompson property. It's Thompson 00:33:05.773 --> 00:33:11.070 - with a P. It's not Thompson with a P. Did somebody else have their 00:33:11.906 --> 00:33:19.744 - hand up now that we missed. Okay. Yeah. I'll just go ahead and say, I think the idea for us, because 00:33:19.744 --> 00:33:27.738 - which is why I'm kind of not kind of, I am glad that we have our city colleagues here is the fact that 00:33:27.738 --> 00:33:35.809 - we've heard so much assumptions of what the city's process is. And so for me personally, I kind of want 00:33:35.809 --> 00:33:41.086 - to hear from the city in terms of like, what is the process because 00:33:41.346 --> 00:33:49.502 - you all know best, especially if we're talking about properties within city limits, what does that look 00:33:49.502 --> 00:33:57.658 - like? Because we need to know. I think everybody needs to know. And it would be great to hear from city 00:33:57.658 --> 00:34:05.578 - to say like, you know, from county's perspective, this is what we need from you all in order to make 00:34:05.578 --> 00:34:07.774 - things work. Because again, 00:34:08.002 --> 00:34:16.537 - There's been a lot of assumptions and a lot of things that have been said maybe not by city. And I'd 00:34:16.537 --> 00:34:25.240 - like to hear from city how that would work. The process and how long it takes depends entirely on what 00:34:25.240 --> 00:34:32.254 - kind of zoning changes need to be made. And so, you know, some things can get done 00:34:32.930 --> 00:34:41.310 - at the administrative level. Other things have to go to plan commission and even council. I have and 00:34:41.310 --> 00:34:49.690 - will recommit to the administrative side being as expedited as we possibly can. We would put this at 00:34:49.690 --> 00:34:55.166 - the top of the stack and absolutely work in an expedited fashion. 00:34:55.298 --> 00:35:05.276 - And I'll leave it to council colleagues to reflect on their process. But it really is site dependent 00:35:05.276 --> 00:35:15.254 - and what's going on that site. Thank you. I maybe want to put a hypothetical out in the room because 00:35:15.254 --> 00:35:23.454 - we need to test how a plan commission in the city would take a request. And I know 00:35:23.554 --> 00:35:29.877 - Councilmembers Rallo and Ruff were on council, I think, when the county purchased the Curry Building, 00:35:29.877 --> 00:35:36.448 - which is right next to the current Zillow Building. In 2003 and 2005, the county committed to investments 00:35:36.448 --> 00:35:42.771 - in that building to add it into the justice system. We had the family court in there. Suppose we said 00:35:42.771 --> 00:35:46.366 - that we owned that property, Curry and Fight, what is now 00:35:46.626 --> 00:35:53.395 - the garage, but was to fight this building. We said, look, if we were to level that and build a vertical 00:35:53.395 --> 00:36:00.036 - or a different jail, compact urban form in that space. We own the property. It's right next door. It's 00:36:00.036 --> 00:36:06.612 - surrounded by probation and clerks. And it's down here. But it's urban. It would clearly be a problem 00:36:06.612 --> 00:36:12.414 - with Ingrassi Egress for a while to do such a build verse in the Knott Thompson property. 00:36:13.282 --> 00:36:18.671 - What would that look like coming to the city where if the county were to say, we own this property, 00:36:18.671 --> 00:36:24.060 - it's in the urban core, it's next to our justice building, it has a historical piece to it with the 00:36:24.060 --> 00:36:29.880 - Curry building being a historical building. What does that mean for plan commission, historic preservation? 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:35.377 - Like to me that, like let me just throw that out there to test what that sounds like across the table 00:36:35.377 --> 00:36:36.670 - if that was a solution. 00:36:40.386 --> 00:36:46.566 - Is it a historically designated building right now? I believe the Curry part is, or at least the facade, 00:36:46.566 --> 00:36:52.570 - but I'd have to check that, yeah. It can be undesignated through request of the owner, I believe, but 00:36:52.570 --> 00:36:58.514 - that's a process that has criteria. That's a few weeks. What's that? That's like weeks or months. My 00:36:58.514 --> 00:37:04.636 - gut would be a couple of months, maybe faster if expedited. I think I'd have to go through HPC and then 00:37:04.636 --> 00:37:08.638 - to the city council. That's my... I'm not certain of that, I guess. 00:37:08.930 --> 00:37:17.021 - I am the Historic Preservation Commission liaison. I'm happy to check with our staff liaison and the 00:37:17.021 --> 00:37:25.272 - chair of the commission and get back to you on that. I'm sorry. I was just going to say the other part 00:37:25.272 --> 00:37:29.758 - of that site is I don't actually know what the downtown 00:37:29.858 --> 00:37:36.164 - zoning layer says about jails. I mean, I know the jail is currently listed there, but I'm not sure what 00:37:36.164 --> 00:37:42.289 - it says now in terms of something being new. So I don't know if that would be. So I mean, I'm trying 00:37:42.289 --> 00:37:48.474 - to look it up right now, but UDO is really long, and I don't usually look at that overlay layer. It's 00:37:48.474 --> 00:37:54.659 - kind of in a different spot than what I end up usually being faced with. I feel very favorable toward 00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:57.630 - it personally. I wonder if the proposal would be 00:37:57.762 --> 00:38:07.055 - And this might add to expense, of course, to maintain some kind of the historic facade of the building 00:38:07.055 --> 00:38:16.257 - might be possible. And that might expedite it too with the HPC, et cetera, but. Zulek? Oh, I was just 00:38:16.257 --> 00:38:23.294 - wondering if there were any types of grants for that type of thing. No, okay. 00:38:26.242 --> 00:38:33.387 - Councilmember Piedmont-Smith has her hand raised. Thank you. Councilmember Piedmont-Smith. Yes, 00:38:33.387 --> 00:38:41.276 - thank you. I wanted to go back to the Thompson site. I'm sorry, I don't know what else to call it, Mayor. 00:38:41.276 --> 00:38:48.123 - But I did want to relay some information that I received from the City Director of Planning 00:38:48.123 --> 00:38:50.654 - and Transportation, David Hittle. 00:38:51.042 --> 00:38:57.414 - So he said, a jail is allowed as a permitted by right use in tract D in the Thompson PUD via approval 00:38:57.414 --> 00:39:03.848 - of case PUD 1202, which amended the original Thompson PUD. One condition of approval requires that the 00:39:03.848 --> 00:39:10.470 - site plan for any jail must be approved by the plan commission, unlike other by right uses, which require 00:39:10.470 --> 00:39:12.094 - only approval from staff. 00:39:12.802 --> 00:39:20.436 - Another condition of approval states, quote, any jail facility will be a public, not a private facility 00:39:20.436 --> 00:39:27.923 - and will generally conform to the size, location and population density proposed by the petitioner at 00:39:27.923 --> 00:39:35.263 - this time. And the associated staff report references plans showing an approximately 170,000 square 00:39:35.263 --> 00:39:40.254 - foot, 400 bed jail. So I just wanted to relay that information. So, 00:39:41.282 --> 00:39:48.323 - It was a conditional approval that it would be similar in size to what I just said. I don't know. 00:39:48.323 --> 00:39:56.010 - I mean, I think if it went back through planning commission, like the site plan has to go through planning 00:39:56.010 --> 00:40:03.267 - commission anyway. So I don't know if a PUD amendment would be required to go to planning commission 00:40:03.267 --> 00:40:09.086 - first, if you don't stay within the 170,000 and 400 beds. And I don't know what, 00:40:09.378 --> 00:40:18.187 - uh, the latest proposal of the size of the jail is, but I wanted to relay that information. Thank you. 00:40:18.187 --> 00:40:26.996 - The council member Stossberg kind of related to that. Um, if we're talking about the, uh, uh, site off 00:40:26.996 --> 00:40:31.358 - Roger street, formerly known as the Thompson site, 00:40:31.586 --> 00:40:37.320 - that anything there would have to go to planning commission simply because it's above a certain size, 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.941 - so it has to go through planning commission. And as long as you work with staff and tick the boxes, 00:40:42.941 --> 00:40:48.619 - I mean, we had one last night that essentially it was by right because it checked all the boxes, but 00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:54.409 - because it was more than a certain size, it had to have that public hearing piece. Planning commission 00:40:54.409 --> 00:41:00.030 - tends to have two hearings is kind of a thing. You can always waive the second hearing depending on 00:41:00.258 --> 00:41:07.286 - what the build is, how well it ticks the boxes. If you come at the first hearing and it's like an impeccable 00:41:07.286 --> 00:41:13.734 - plan and it meets all of the necessary guidelines related to design and all of those things for the 00:41:13.734 --> 00:41:20.376 - zoning, often they do end up skipping the second hearing. We just waive the second hearing and approve 00:41:20.376 --> 00:41:26.888 - it through. That is a process that doesn't involve council at all. It only involves plan commission. 00:41:26.888 --> 00:41:29.790 - If something has to have a change of zoning, 00:41:30.082 --> 00:41:36.105 - which I don't think the Thompson site would actually need a change of zoning, then it would have to 00:41:36.105 --> 00:41:42.249 - go through planning commission and then through council to approve a zoning change because council is 00:41:42.249 --> 00:41:48.633 - the body that has to approve the zoning changes, but it has to come as a recommendation from the planning 00:41:48.633 --> 00:41:54.837 - commission. So it really does, as Mayor Thompson said earlier, depend on which site you want to do and 00:41:54.837 --> 00:41:57.246 - what the current zoning is of the site. 00:41:57.602 --> 00:42:04.414 - as the member of the planning commission from council, I don't think that that body would be a crazy 00:42:04.414 --> 00:42:11.226 - impediment, especially depending once again on the zoning and how well it kind of ticks all of those 00:42:11.226 --> 00:42:18.308 - boxes that are pretty standard. It just takes working with our planning and zoning staff or our planning 00:42:18.308 --> 00:42:20.062 - and transportation staff. 00:42:20.226 --> 00:42:28.081 - to help you do those guidelines because, I mean, the UDO is complex, just as the county development 00:42:28.081 --> 00:42:36.408 - ordinance is also complex, and those staff members are the best ones to help lead any development project 00:42:36.408 --> 00:42:44.341 - through. Mr. Madera? So in the interest of process and getting back to the purposes of this meeting, 00:42:44.341 --> 00:42:45.598 - I would like to 00:42:45.730 --> 00:42:52.863 - suggest that we move on from discussion of specific properties to discussion of the process. I do think 00:42:52.863 --> 00:42:59.791 - that the power lines property is going to be a political fig leaf that ultimately buys us six months 00:42:59.791 --> 00:43:06.718 - of process before it collapses before a federal judge because of the two years of poll moving that I 00:43:06.882 --> 00:43:14.241 - think that we have at the end. I spoke with Duke on Monday, and I'm happy to go into that at a later 00:43:14.241 --> 00:43:21.672 - time. I do think that that's something we need to discuss in front of a smaller body at a later time. 00:43:21.672 --> 00:43:29.176 - But that is, I think, outside the ambits of this meeting. But I would like to hear more about the city 00:43:29.176 --> 00:43:32.382 - process. And going back to Mayor Thompson's 00:43:32.514 --> 00:43:40.509 - comment about putting us at the top of the stack. When we are at the top of the stack, what happens 00:43:40.509 --> 00:43:49.063 - from that point on? How long is that process? Assuming we would need to go through the Planning Commission 00:43:49.063 --> 00:43:57.297 - and then through the City Council. If you had everything in, if the file was absolutely complete, when 00:43:57.297 --> 00:44:02.494 - it was submitted, I would say the fastest we could probably, and 00:44:02.754 --> 00:44:13.792 - somehow waived the second plan commission. And the council now can discuss on first reading, which means 00:44:13.792 --> 00:44:24.831 - they, in theory, could decide on a first reading. So if all of those things happened feasibly, you could 00:44:24.831 --> 00:44:29.982 - get through in four months. That's a lot of ifs. 00:44:30.466 --> 00:44:37.995 - But that is, I would say that's the fastest expedited process that I would anticipate. Council Member 00:44:37.995 --> 00:44:45.598 - Crossley? Yeah, so I'm glad you mentioned that because we got the current plan commission person here, 00:44:45.598 --> 00:44:53.201 - or council member here, Council Member Susberg, because that was going to be my next question, because 00:44:53.201 --> 00:44:57.630 - we've heard so many times it's a six to nine month process. 00:44:58.018 --> 00:45:04.542 - But from what I gather, what you just said, if there's no changes that needs to happen, it technically 00:45:04.542 --> 00:45:10.877 - doesn't have to have the two-prong approach where it goes for planning and then it goes to council. 00:45:10.877 --> 00:45:17.401 - Is that my understanding? If there's no need for a zoning change, it doesn't go to council. If there's 00:45:17.401 --> 00:45:23.862 - a zoning change need, then it does have to go to council because council's the only one that can make 00:45:23.862 --> 00:45:26.206 - that kind of legislative change. OK. 00:45:26.466 --> 00:45:34.630 - Including an adjustment to the PUD. So just because a jail is allowed, if you change the size, that 00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:42.793 - is a change to the PUD, which does have to go to counsel. But not the false evidence appearing real 00:45:42.793 --> 00:45:50.957 - factor of an idea of it going beyond a six to nine month process. It really does depend on how much 00:45:50.957 --> 00:45:53.406 - you have your ducks in a row. 00:45:53.762 --> 00:46:01.688 - in the beginning because there are boxes to check in terms of staff and bringing things to plan commission. 00:46:01.688 --> 00:46:09.175 - Until the package is complete, staff won't bring it to plan commission. It just really depends on how 00:46:09.175 --> 00:46:16.734 - well you have your ducks in a row in terms of that six to nine month. Mayor Thompson said four months. 00:46:16.834 --> 00:46:22.831 - I would say that that almost could be faster if you really have your ducks in a row. There's a planning 00:46:22.831 --> 00:46:28.598 - commission meeting every month, and except for summer recess, there's at least two council meetings 00:46:28.598 --> 00:46:34.364 - a month that it can get dealt with. If there was a great deal of transparency and communication, if 00:46:34.364 --> 00:46:40.361 - there did have to be a zoning change, thus necessitating it going through council, if there was a great 00:46:40.361 --> 00:46:41.630 - deal of communication 00:46:41.762 --> 00:46:49.233 - with both plan commission and city council kind of at the same time, so when city council gets it, it's 00:46:49.233 --> 00:46:56.417 - not like starting from scratch, then that process part can be expedited too in terms of the minimum 00:46:56.417 --> 00:47:03.672 - amount of turnaround between plan commission and council. Because I mean, sometimes, you know, and I 00:47:03.672 --> 00:47:11.646 - as the plan commission person, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna be strategic about when this goes to council because, 00:47:12.386 --> 00:47:18.597 - it's something big, or I think that council is going to want to put amendments on it. And so let's give 00:47:18.597 --> 00:47:24.570 - it a little bit more time before it goes to council. If council is really aware of it, then I mean, 00:47:24.570 --> 00:47:30.662 - it can go to council pretty quickly after the planning commission meeting. And it really just depends 00:47:30.662 --> 00:47:37.112 - on how good the communication is beforehand, and then just timing the process out in terms of when meetings 00:47:37.112 --> 00:47:41.950 - are. I'll tell you, it would be kind of rough to try to throw this in in August. 00:47:42.114 --> 00:47:50.535 - because of budgets. Right. So some of that has some dependency to in terms of council schedule. So I'm 00:47:50.535 --> 00:47:59.038 - going to encourage us to move out of the nitty gritty details of a planning process. And it may be that 00:47:59.038 --> 00:48:01.246 - you ask for commitments on 00:48:01.474 --> 00:48:07.810 - you know, expediting to the best of our ability and engaging, et cetera. But I think for the purpose 00:48:07.810 --> 00:48:14.145 - of this meeting, we'll get bogged down in a lot of details that may or may not need to happen. And I 00:48:14.145 --> 00:48:20.732 - think we have some sort of broad timelines. And so I'm going to invite Council Members Zulik to comment. 00:48:20.732 --> 00:48:27.130 - Sure. Question. Thank you. Would it, at this point in time, be best to set up a working group to work 00:48:27.130 --> 00:48:30.078 - through some of the more nitty gritty details? 00:48:33.506 --> 00:48:45.469 - I think that is a that would be one of a positive a group of positive outcomes from this meeting. Yeah 00:48:45.469 --> 00:48:57.199 - Do you want do you want to make a proposal on delegation to that group Like yeah, how many from each 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:03.006 - body who needs to be on it, etc I would recommend 00:49:03.842 --> 00:49:14.243 - a city executive, if somebody from county executive wants to be a part of it as well. And then of course, 00:49:14.243 --> 00:49:24.545 - representative from city and county council, I would think sounds good. Good plan. I would agree. County 00:49:24.545 --> 00:49:30.334 - executive as well. You mentioned. Okay. More people. Yeah. 00:49:31.522 --> 00:49:39.315 - unless other people have other objectives. Because I think sometimes when we have bigger, bigger groups 00:49:39.315 --> 00:49:46.884 - of things, it's not to say that we can't have the smaller working group come back to the larger body 00:49:46.884 --> 00:49:54.527 - and have a conversation. But I think that could happen where we have a smaller working group that has 00:49:54.527 --> 00:49:57.150 - the task of what we are all saying 00:49:57.378 --> 00:50:07.743 - and taken from this meeting, go work on it, and then bring it back to the larger body, unless anybody 00:50:07.743 --> 00:50:17.905 - else has any other suggestions. I think that would be. And is that larger body this group, or is it 00:50:17.905 --> 00:50:24.510 - the county council, county commissioners? What is the next step? 00:50:25.954 --> 00:50:35.752 - I think it would be worth meeting all together again. Okay. I'm going to suggest that while we're proposing 00:50:35.752 --> 00:50:45.097 - this, we make it time bound so that we know we're getting a team together that's available in the near 00:50:45.097 --> 00:50:52.446 - term and whoever's volunteering can make appropriate time commitments. So, Kate? 00:50:54.562 --> 00:51:00.990 - Yeah, I was just going to ask that because what would the subgroup of four, what would their purpose 00:51:00.990 --> 00:51:07.354 - be? Because I think Councilmember Zulek said like for that nitty gritty kind of detail stuff. So is 00:51:07.354 --> 00:51:13.909 - that like a site selection? And then you go, okay, like on this site, what would the steps all be? And 00:51:13.909 --> 00:51:20.528 - is that the same subgroup that we should have discussing what those sites are? Do you know what I mean? 00:51:20.528 --> 00:51:23.646 - Do you know what I'm asking? Or should there be? 00:51:23.906 --> 00:51:31.966 - I guess I'm kind of looking at that and going, should we only have a subgroup of those four debating 00:51:31.966 --> 00:51:40.504 - or discussing the different possible locations versus a subgroup of those four running through the details 00:51:40.504 --> 00:51:48.963 - of the chosen possible locations? Sounds reasonable. But should there be? I think for highest efficiency, 00:51:48.963 --> 00:51:51.038 - my proposal would be that 00:51:51.202 --> 00:52:02.081 - that subgroup is going to propose the best two or three locations and come equipped with the zoning 00:52:02.081 --> 00:52:12.959 - and other implications of each of those sites for a larger group to make a single recommendation to 00:52:12.959 --> 00:52:21.118 - move forward? I think that there are only two or three locations possible. 00:52:21.282 --> 00:52:31.244 - not saying that there can't suddenly be from the ether someone arriving with another location, but in 00:52:31.244 --> 00:52:41.499 - all of our discussions, it has narrowed to really only two or three, three or four max maybe, that could 00:52:41.499 --> 00:52:49.214 - possibly work if we are talking about within city limits. Councilmember Henry. 00:52:49.506 --> 00:52:55.912 - I would add, and this is more procedural, to help that group conduct its business. We have two types 00:52:55.912 --> 00:53:02.255 - of government sitting in the room here. A strong mayor system can release notes from your office on 00:53:02.255 --> 00:53:08.661 - your administrative tasks. The County Council has never been privy to the full set of notes that the 00:53:08.661 --> 00:53:15.003 - Board of Commissioners have used to determine and disqualify sites over the past six months. I have 00:53:15.003 --> 00:53:18.238 - really asked the Board of Commissioners to release 00:53:18.402 --> 00:53:25.184 - all the documentation from executive session to that body so it can look and not reinvent the wheel 00:53:25.184 --> 00:53:30.270 - and duplicate effort that's already been done to dismiss or include sites. 00:53:30.786 --> 00:53:36.489 - We've never seen that material. And so, Commissioner Redire, I just ask respectfully if we can take 00:53:36.489 --> 00:53:42.191 - that back to your peers. It would be rather great to see those notes because we did bring, I think, 00:53:42.191 --> 00:53:47.951 - up to six sites between January and May that never came into the public view. They were an executive 00:53:47.951 --> 00:53:53.710 - session. You all need to know that. Otherwise, you're going to be flying blind. We need to see those 00:53:53.710 --> 00:53:57.246 - notes. Jeff, have those been released? Are they on the drive? 00:54:08.258 --> 00:54:14.705 - I'm not aware of any executive session that the commissioners have to discuss property that didn't involve 00:54:14.705 --> 00:54:20.911 - the county council. So I guess I'd start with that. I don't know what we're talking about with the six 00:54:20.911 --> 00:54:26.334 - sites. I mean, I will tell you, I get emails every, I got emails a couple weeks ago about 00:54:27.330 --> 00:54:33.090 - People who say, hey, what about this site? What about that site? I guess maybe I'm missing what you're 00:54:33.090 --> 00:54:38.961 - asking. Yeah, well, I'll ask it again. And if I have to go as far as actually naming the sites we talked 00:54:38.961 --> 00:54:44.553 - about in the executive session, I'll do it. I mean, we brought multiple sites to those meetings and 00:54:44.553 --> 00:54:50.257 - discussed them. They were eliminated for different factors. One, I believe, had a DLZ overlay that we 00:54:50.257 --> 00:54:52.158 - never saw made public off of TAP. 00:54:52.386 --> 00:54:58.193 - I think was one of the properties. So those are the list of properties that our peers would need to 00:54:58.193 --> 00:55:04.291 - look at so they're not flying blind and making the same assumptions and reinventing the wheel. I thought 00:55:04.291 --> 00:55:10.447 - I heard that there was meetings outside the council that had... It's loud in here, Jeff. And I apologize. 00:55:10.447 --> 00:55:16.196 - I'm screaming over a fan. But I guess I have no problem having those. I mean, we have those notes. 00:55:16.196 --> 00:55:20.958 - I mean, you have those notes. I think we can share them with the group as long as 00:55:21.794 --> 00:55:27.356 - We have legal guidance not to share those, but if we can get those released is what I'm asking. This 00:55:27.356 --> 00:55:32.974 - is in the weeds, but all I'm asking is that we provide that subcommittee the same information so they 00:55:32.974 --> 00:55:38.591 - don't reinvent the wheel. I guess from my perspective, some of those are held by private individuals. 00:55:38.591 --> 00:55:44.429 - I would want to reach out to them first to make sure they're aware that we're releasing that information. 00:55:44.429 --> 00:55:47.678 - I'm not sure any of them will have any concerns with that. 00:55:47.970 --> 00:55:56.604 - But that's just the courtesy that I would do, to let them know that that is occurring. That doesn't 00:55:56.604 --> 00:56:05.238 - stop it from occurring. It's just reaching out to them first. OK, so I'm going to assume that legal 00:56:05.238 --> 00:56:14.132 - counsel will make an attempt to release all possible documents. And we have Zulek Flaherty. Thank you. 00:56:14.132 --> 00:56:17.758 - Overall, I think the thrust of where this 00:56:18.562 --> 00:56:25.355 - the structure that's being proposed could work. To make it effective, it seems like we need to spend 00:56:25.355 --> 00:56:32.485 - more time in this meeting trying to at least get a fuzzy universe of assumptions that are shared, because 00:56:32.485 --> 00:56:39.210 - it seems like the different tangible steps that people were outlining all impact any site location. 00:56:39.210 --> 00:56:46.071 - So flexibility of timeline, number of beds, these kinds of things. And then Commissioner Madeira kind 00:56:46.071 --> 00:56:46.878 - of laid out 00:56:47.042 --> 00:56:53.047 - her six factors as a synthesis of that. But I think there's a diversity of opinions. So one factor, 00:56:53.047 --> 00:56:59.293 - like acreage. Is there a minimum assumption that people have in mind about acreage? And does that vary? 00:56:59.293 --> 00:57:05.478 - Is there anything credible we can actually all agree on for that committee to be working with? I don't 00:57:05.478 --> 00:57:11.063 - know how much progress we can make on those types of questions. I still have questions about 00:57:11.063 --> 00:57:14.846 - the constitutionality thing. And if it's mainly space related, 00:57:15.234 --> 00:57:20.762 - What are outside the box options of transporting some people or, you know, in the near term? Maybe that's 00:57:20.762 --> 00:57:25.976 - not possible. Again, but just like putting it on the table is like, if we're talking about creative 00:57:25.976 --> 00:57:31.347 - solutions like Councillor Deckard encouraged at the beginning, knowing how much those factors can move 00:57:31.347 --> 00:57:36.875 - depending on some different pieces really impacts a lot the viability and possibility of different sites. 00:57:36.875 --> 00:57:39.326 - And so if we can't like get somewhere on that, 00:57:39.618 --> 00:57:46.173 - Or at least people can't, at minimum, I'd love for the county electeds to all kind of share what they 00:57:46.173 --> 00:57:52.728 - think are the requirements, kind of in a similar way that Commissioner Madera did, so we can at least 00:57:52.728 --> 00:57:59.604 - get that out there and hear the viewpoints and see what Koala. I'm going to just take a point of privilege 00:57:59.604 --> 00:58:01.982 - in response to that, that I think it 00:58:02.306 --> 00:58:10.925 - To that end, it would be good to have at least to invite and I know we invited sheriff tonight, but 00:58:10.925 --> 00:58:14.718 - somebody from the sheriff's team and judge. 00:58:15.106 --> 00:58:21.415 - if they're able to participate. They are the insiders who have the most knowledge about the building 00:58:21.415 --> 00:58:28.035 - and how things operate. And so while we're getting creative, it would be good to have at least invitation 00:58:28.035 --> 00:58:34.281 - extended to members of those two groups, I believe. Council Member Zulek. Thank you. Council Member 00:58:34.281 --> 00:58:40.528 - Daly and I both have to leave at 7.15, and I realize that we will no longer have quorum for council 00:58:40.528 --> 00:58:43.838 - at that point in time. So I just want to raise that. 00:58:50.114 --> 00:58:58.554 - Thank you for letting us know. Council Member Rallo. So this may be a naive question, but have you all 00:58:58.554 --> 00:59:06.829 - resolved on the county side whether everything needs to be co-located because you were talking about 00:59:06.829 --> 00:59:15.351 - a site location where it would be a campus. But does it preclude things like having courts here, having 00:59:15.351 --> 00:59:19.038 - the Curry Building utilized, phasing things? 00:59:19.138 --> 00:59:28.476 - In other words, then attending to the justice building, renovating that, then having another site in 00:59:28.476 --> 00:59:37.999 - process that could then expand occupancy of the jail. Is that part of the menu here, or are we looking 00:59:37.999 --> 00:59:45.118 - at one single site for everything? Where are we? So I'll take a hit at that. 00:59:46.338 --> 00:59:54.278 - Listed into the general conversation of everybody in county government, I think there is a strong desire 00:59:54.278 --> 01:00:02.219 - to co-locate because we see the needs for having everything in one particular location. We see the need, 01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:09.630 - as we have it so good right now currently downtown, of ensuring that attorneys, public defenders, 01:00:09.986 --> 01:00:16.897 - You know, everybody in the same area would be able to get to certain things, because I understand caseloads 01:00:16.897 --> 01:00:23.424 - and things like that. With people kind of going back and forth, it's a lot. With co-location, and I'm 01:00:23.424 --> 01:00:29.951 - not saying one way or another, so if somebody hears something, please don't at me or send me an email 01:00:29.951 --> 01:00:36.414 - about it. I'm just saying the general question, since you asked it. What I think I've heard concerns 01:00:36.414 --> 01:00:39.166 - from colleagues is the co-location amount. 01:00:39.490 --> 01:00:46.906 - I think a long time ago, I think the idea and the crystal ball was to have everything all at once right 01:00:46.906 --> 01:00:54.322 - where. And then SB1 came into the situation and kind of changed the game for a lot of different things. 01:00:54.322 --> 01:01:01.667 - I think maybe the idea, and colleagues can jump in if I say anything different, was to try to do that. 01:01:01.667 --> 01:01:08.798 - And then SB1 with the restrictions of a lot of different things really kind of put a pause on that. 01:01:09.186 --> 01:01:17.583 - Plus, the cost, as we talked about so many different times, with everybody wanting certain things that 01:01:17.583 --> 01:01:25.817 - we've asked for, that just kept ballooning. And so right now, I think the general consensus is, what 01:01:25.817 --> 01:01:33.969 - does that look like? Because it goes back to the beginning of what is required in this whole ordeal 01:01:33.969 --> 01:01:38.942 - versus what we need to bring along with it in the beginning. 01:01:39.266 --> 01:01:47.274 - The idea is to try to potentially do things in phases, maybe to get to that co-location. But again, 01:01:47.274 --> 01:01:55.282 - I think it also depends on the location aspect of everything as well. And again, colleagues, please 01:01:55.282 --> 01:02:03.451 - feel free to jump in if I need to add anything or misspoke. One thing we know from our system is that 01:02:03.451 --> 01:02:06.814 - even if you choose not to do co-location, 01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:14.783 - you're still managing and paying for not being co-located. So when Councilor President Crosley talks 01:02:14.783 --> 01:02:22.710 - about that proximity and location, you've got everything from transportation to transportation of your 01:02:22.710 --> 01:02:30.483 - prosecutors, your public defenders, and every other apparatus to it. And so while the SB1 has set us 01:02:30.483 --> 01:02:35.870 - back on how we would do this, we know the county will be figuring out 01:02:36.386 --> 01:02:44.011 - all of those details alongside every elected official in the system. Council funds it, but they will 01:02:44.011 --> 01:02:51.711 - have to figure out the management and logistical system because we've been co-located since, well, at 01:02:51.711 --> 01:02:59.487 - least since they've been in the Justice Building and maybe even when they were near the old City Hall. 01:02:59.487 --> 01:03:03.262 - I'm going to jump in because we know we will lose 01:03:03.362 --> 01:03:15.938 - city council quorum in 10 minutes and suggest that someone might want to make a formal resolution for 01:03:15.938 --> 01:03:28.391 - the record on our next steps that we can commit to. I think we have some elements up there. We still 01:03:28.391 --> 01:03:32.830 - haven't talked about a timeline for 01:03:33.314 --> 01:03:41.484 - when this group would have its first meeting and then when it would be prepared to come back to the 01:03:41.484 --> 01:03:50.389 - larger group? I think that it would be a good idea for the working group to evaluate two to three locations, 01:03:50.389 --> 01:03:59.294 - assess the pros and cons of each of them, and come back to this body with a recommendation on a location and 01:03:59.586 --> 01:04:06.489 - and an explanation on the thresholds and the criteria that were considered. Commissioner Medeira? Yes, 01:04:06.489 --> 01:04:13.393 - and I'll just note that since I'm the only commissioner present tonight, I will have to take this back 01:04:13.393 --> 01:04:20.162 - to my colleagues and consult with them as well. Thank you. But to be fair, though, we can still move 01:04:20.162 --> 01:04:26.462 - forward with the working group. OK, all right. That's what I want to make sure because, yeah. 01:04:26.626 --> 01:04:32.859 - And since we have a working motion that we're drafting here, I would add to President Zulik's comments 01:04:32.859 --> 01:04:38.911 - that if any of the entities specified, Commissioner, Mayor, County Commissioner, Bloomington Common 01:04:38.911 --> 01:04:44.963 - Council, Sheriff, or judges for any reason cannot participate or opt out, that the commission would 01:04:44.963 --> 01:04:49.502 - continue its work under the timeline to come back. I propose three months. 01:04:50.274 --> 01:05:00.753 - Okay, do you have a clarifying question? I was just wondering if the working group would be public meetings 01:05:00.753 --> 01:05:10.455 - or not, just as a logistical. I don't think there's likely to be a requirement of that because it's 01:05:10.455 --> 01:05:14.142 - not going to be a quorum of any body. 01:05:19.458 --> 01:05:26.294 - Just to tell you, I'm concerned about that approach. I think the public's going to demand more transparency 01:05:26.294 --> 01:05:32.878 - and more knowledge about just the whole process of selecting these locations and a small group bringing 01:05:32.878 --> 01:05:40.094 - forward. We've already said here that location is the critical element. I just have concerns about that approach. 01:05:45.698 --> 01:05:51.821 - I'll just say that I kind of share those concerns, but I think on the timeline that we're doing, I don't 01:05:51.821 --> 01:05:57.711 - think that it's necessarily practical to have all of those meetings public. And that was kind of why 01:05:57.711 --> 01:06:04.126 - I was asking is that, you know, if they did have to be public, then that would, I think, change our timeline. 01:06:04.450 --> 01:06:11.935 - some kind of mix of those in terms of that transparency of going here's our big list and then privately 01:06:11.935 --> 01:06:19.276 - whittle down to a smaller list and here's the smaller list and why might be a compromise on that kind 01:06:19.276 --> 01:06:26.545 - of thing that could make sure that the public is well informed about what is happening. Daley? Yeah, 01:06:26.545 --> 01:06:33.886 - I think that sounds reasonable as long as like the reasoning for each of the locations, why they were 01:06:34.786 --> 01:06:50.238 - looked at and why they were rejected or moved forward. So would this magic group take input from the 01:06:50.238 --> 01:07:00.030 - public? I think we need to make it public who is on that group. 01:07:02.562 --> 01:07:09.100 - You should probably come to the microphone. I can summarize what Jeff's going to say. I think the attorneys 01:07:09.100 --> 01:07:15.214 - in the room conferred, and I believe if you formally form this group, it's subject to open doors. So 01:07:15.214 --> 01:07:21.388 - these have to be public meetings. It's not true even if there's only one council member on the group, 01:07:21.388 --> 01:07:27.562 - or do there have to be two city council members in order for it to have to be public? But regardless, 01:07:27.562 --> 01:07:31.134 - why would it not be public? Why would that slow this down? 01:07:31.458 --> 01:07:39.715 - you just advertise a series of meetings once a week for the next six weeks and then come back. 01:07:39.715 --> 01:07:48.493 - And to me, you just do it. And I realized- So who will be doing that? What body is going to publicly 01:07:48.493 --> 01:07:57.706 - notice? I think much like we did this meeting today, it would be a joint effort, like working with county 01:07:57.706 --> 01:08:01.182 - council and then working in tandem with 01:08:01.506 --> 01:08:08.274 - I know the clerk's office has to do the notices and staff also has, we have to make sure that the biggest 01:08:08.274 --> 01:08:14.658 - thing is making sure that staff is available to be at these meetings before, we can commit to that, 01:08:14.658 --> 01:08:21.107 - but the biggest thing that we need to make sure is that staff from county and city clerk's office is 01:08:21.107 --> 01:08:27.619 - available for those as well too. Okay, so it's been decided that there's going to be public meetings. 01:08:27.619 --> 01:08:29.790 - We know who's doing the noticing. 01:08:29.954 --> 01:08:37.573 - I think we're down to four minutes and I think we have a somewhat formed resolution, but I haven't heard 01:08:37.573 --> 01:08:44.830 - it. What is the deadline for? I would. Is it realistic that the group could meet for the first time 01:08:44.830 --> 01:08:52.449 - within one week from today? An initial meeting that I think that goes to who which which council members 01:08:52.449 --> 01:08:59.198 - should be on the group? I mean, it's pretty we don't even know who we're talking about here. 01:08:59.298 --> 01:09:05.982 - And then Commissioner Madeira, of course, has to go back to the commissioners. So maybe that doesn't 01:09:05.982 --> 01:09:12.798 - matter. But is there a particular county council member or city council member that anybody would like 01:09:12.798 --> 01:09:19.945 - to nominate or self nominate or think makes most sense in this working group? Councilor Decker. I recommend 01:09:19.945 --> 01:09:26.828 - that we trust the presidents of both of the councils to appoint a member. Those presidents would likely 01:09:26.828 --> 01:09:28.350 - pull their members and 01:09:28.610 --> 01:09:36.294 - The rest would take care of itself. City Council has no more regular sessions, and so somebody has to 01:09:36.294 --> 01:09:43.827 - do it now. I'm happy to do it. I'm also happy to appoint one of you. I'm in town for all of recess, 01:09:43.827 --> 01:09:51.435 - so I am available. I'm not in town for all of recess, but I'm wondering how much my involvement with 01:09:51.435 --> 01:09:58.366 - Plan Commission matters right now. I can keep you informed. Supplemental. Yes, that's true. 01:10:00.546 --> 01:10:08.113 - Would you guys have recusal issues? What? Sorry? Would you guys have recusal issues? So for example, 01:10:08.113 --> 01:10:15.756 - if Hopi served and this later came before the plan commission, would there be recusal issues? I think 01:10:15.756 --> 01:10:23.248 - it's been decided that Zulik's serving. OK, great. I will keep you informed. OK. And I will appoint 01:10:23.248 --> 01:10:30.366 - myself to serve on the working group. But I believe we have to have a motion first to actually 01:10:31.010 --> 01:10:41.566 - formed the working group? When I agreed at the fairly last minute that I would sit here and help facilitate, 01:10:41.566 --> 01:10:51.832 - I admitted that Robert's Rules was not my thing. There was a motion. I'll move. On city council's behalf, 01:10:51.832 --> 01:10:59.870 - I'll move to participate in a working group with the other Monroe County officials 01:11:00.578 --> 01:11:07.008 - that are in the mayor. I don't know how to say it. I mean, Monroe County. Technically, she's the mayor 01:11:07.008 --> 01:11:13.251 - of Bloomington. She also lives in Monroe County. So anyway, to have a county council member or city 01:11:13.251 --> 01:11:19.619 - council member on the working group, as is listed on the whiteboard right now. How about that? That's 01:11:19.619 --> 01:11:26.050 - a long motion. I know. Right. It was horrible. Did you get that? Really? Sorry, Clerk Bolden. We can't 01:11:26.050 --> 01:11:28.734 - hear you guys because of the fans. Oh, oh. 01:11:29.602 --> 01:11:38.947 - Sorry, I'm not used to this room. So I'm moving that that city council participate in the working group 01:11:38.947 --> 01:11:48.113 - as is listed on the white board right now. And so we call for a vote of just city council once we get 01:11:48.113 --> 01:11:57.459 - a second on that. Yes, we can second daily seconded. Will the clerk please call the roll? Sure. Council 01:11:57.459 --> 01:11:59.166 - member Rallo. Yes. 01:12:00.386 --> 01:12:08.248 - Sasberg? Yes. Clarity? Yes. Zulik? Yes. Daly? Yes. Ruff? Yes. Piedmont? I can't see the white board, 01:12:08.248 --> 01:12:16.109 - so I'm going to pass. Thank you. OK, thank you. That passes, and I will appoint myself to be on that 01:12:16.109 --> 01:12:24.594 - working group. I also just want to note that we should add the prosecutor's office and the public defender's 01:12:24.594 --> 01:12:29.342 - office to that group to be invited. Uh-oh, does that change? 01:12:30.978 --> 01:12:38.424 - And can I also say, Hopi, Councilmember Salzberg mentioned sort of what she called a compromise approach 01:12:38.424 --> 01:12:45.729 - to being very public on the larger number of sites and the accessibility to information for why a site 01:12:45.729 --> 01:12:52.821 - was selected or rejected, and then taken to the smaller group. Yeah, but then I think the attorneys 01:12:52.821 --> 01:12:58.494 - decided they all had to be public meetings, so it doesn't really apply anymore. 01:12:58.658 --> 01:13:05.377 - And so we also need to have a motion from our side. So I'm looking into my colleagues to see how that 01:13:05.377 --> 01:13:12.360 - will work. I'll do my best here. And I do this, Madam President, in the spirit that this moves us towards 01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:19.013 - resolution in collaboration with our city partners who are graciously here today. Thank you. I would 01:13:19.013 --> 01:13:25.666 - move that the county council similarly appoint a representative via the appointment of the president 01:13:25.666 --> 01:13:26.654 - of the council 01:13:26.754 --> 01:13:34.022 - to join with the other county entities, Commissioner, the sheriff, judges, prosecutor, public defender, 01:13:34.022 --> 01:13:41.011 - as well as the mayor and the Bloomington City Council to make recommendation on moving this forward 01:13:41.011 --> 01:13:48.349 - towards two to three locations with a recommendation of one second. Other timelines. OK, we got a motion 01:13:48.349 --> 01:13:55.198 - and a second. Is there any other further discussion from council colleagues on this? Seeing none. 01:13:55.682 --> 01:14:08.270 - Michelle, may we please have a roll call vote? I didn't hear who seconded. It was Councilmember Henry. 01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:20.614 - Thank you. Councilor Crossley or Deckard? Yes. Councilor Fiddle? Yes. Councilor Hawk? Yes. Councilor 01:14:20.614 --> 01:14:24.158 - Henry? Yes. Councilor Wilts? 01:14:24.386 --> 01:14:32.972 - Yes, motion passes unanimous. And so before we end, would it be okay for us to say within the next, 01:14:32.972 --> 01:14:42.072 - let's have a goal line of maybe no later than one month to reconvene since I know there's travel sessions 01:14:42.072 --> 01:14:51.774 - and you all are on council recess, but you will be here so that we can get back in the saddle of things. So yes. 01:14:52.450 --> 01:15:02.804 - I think that's a great suggestion. I just want to maybe clarify a little bit. In one month, this body 01:15:02.804 --> 01:15:12.954 - will reconvene to hear the recommendation on a site from the subcommittee that we just formed. That 01:15:12.954 --> 01:15:21.278 - sounds correct. Got it. Want to make sure I had it understood. It might be worse. 01:15:21.442 --> 01:15:28.083 - meeting several times to one talk about the criteria that we decided on and then come back to it as 01:15:28.083 --> 01:15:34.923 - a group, have that discussion, and then go back in and apply it to those site plans just so that we're 01:15:34.923 --> 01:15:41.697 - all on the same page with what we decided on immediately. I don't think we have time. But I think the 01:15:41.697 --> 01:15:46.014 - idea for us right now for this subgroup and for the Tomland that 01:15:46.146 --> 01:15:52.821 - we are kind of on is making sure that we get this done and reconvene within the next month. Does that? 01:15:52.821 --> 01:15:59.366 - So the subgroup was going to meet, and then we could all come back and meet, right? Correct. Is that 01:15:59.366 --> 01:16:06.040 - what you were getting at? Yeah, the subgroup will meet as many times as they want between now and then 01:16:06.040 --> 01:16:12.650 - in public meetings, figuring out. There is so much information that hasn't been shared publicly about 01:16:12.650 --> 01:16:14.270 - sites that are possible. 01:16:14.530 --> 01:16:25.033 - And I have a feeling if we can work through that, to Councillor Henry's point, and share it with that 01:16:25.033 --> 01:16:35.536 - small group and hopefully the public, that will change the trajectory of all of this. Because it will 01:16:35.536 --> 01:16:43.774 - become clear, I think, what the negotiables are and what the pros and cons are. 01:16:44.930 --> 01:16:52.057 - I mean, that's all I can really say. Sure. I have faith. Ms. Sherman, do you have a question? So I'll 01:16:52.057 --> 01:16:59.324 - just reiterate the position of my colleagues that as we get closer to litigation, we will be consulting 01:16:59.324 --> 01:17:06.311 - with litigation counsel. And that litigation counsel will also have reflections on the property and 01:17:06.311 --> 01:17:12.670 - the propriety of characteristics. So that will also come into the conversation. Thank you. 01:17:12.930 --> 01:17:18.940 - keeping that in mind, but also knowing that we still have a work in progress to do. So with that being, 01:17:18.940 --> 01:17:24.835 - yeah. Are you appointing somebody now? That's what I was just going to ask. Do we know who that who's 01:17:24.835 --> 01:17:30.846 - going to volunteer so I can put that in our notes? Are you working on that tonight? President Crossley, 01:17:30.846 --> 01:17:37.087 - are you going to appoint somebody tonight? I will look at two colleagues to see who would like to volunteer 01:17:37.087 --> 01:17:38.590 - themselves. It is not me. 01:17:43.170 --> 01:17:52.057 - Step up if no one else wants to. Okay. Or no one else can. I'm available. Does anybody have any objections? 01:17:52.057 --> 01:18:00.286 - No objections? Okay. Tag your council member title. Thank you. All right. Clerk Bolden, can I get a 01:18:00.286 --> 01:18:08.515 - read on exactly what the resolutions said about is it a member of the administration or is it me in 01:18:08.515 --> 01:18:09.502 - particular? 01:18:11.938 --> 01:18:24.778 - that's gonna participate in this body. My calendar can be prohibitive to rapid fire public meetings 01:18:24.778 --> 01:18:37.746 - with less than a month's notice. Okay, I had heard it as a member of the administration. So shall we 01:18:37.746 --> 01:18:41.726 - just make sure that we clarify 01:18:42.114 --> 01:18:52.388 - that we are happy to accept a delegate from your office. The mayor or her designee? That's a good word. 01:18:52.388 --> 01:19:02.267 - And I'll note that my motion was what was on the board, and the board did get truncated in a couple 01:19:02.267 --> 01:19:11.454 - of ways. So the mayor, admin, and commiss will just, yeah. I would similarly say on our end, 01:19:11.906 --> 01:19:19.599 - that we would. That's awesome. And that we would accept the commissioners and their designee as well 01:19:19.599 --> 01:19:27.367 - in the spirit that we're moving collaboratively to move this forward. Yep. That is the goal. And that 01:19:27.367 --> 01:19:35.365 - was the goal of this meeting. Do we have a motion for adjournment? So moved. Second. Thank you. Awesome. 01:19:35.365 --> 01:19:41.534 - Thank you, everyone, for your collaboration tonight. Do you all have to vote to? 01:19:41.730 --> 01:19:47.038 - Leave. Thank you. Thank you.