WEBVTT 00:00:00.354 --> 00:00:14.078 - turn it off hold on. i'm use my bad finger I can't. 00:00:30.370 --> 00:00:40.679 - If anybody needs, I can switch between the different pages for the scoring, and they really do. I like 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:50.887 - that first overview, just to see how it all. And then we all hit the right totals. You did. Oh, yeah. 00:00:50.887 --> 00:00:59.294 - Good job. Oh, yes. I made sure to message people back, if anything, without a line. 00:01:00.706 --> 00:01:12.542 - Did you get a you're out of line? Tyler was the worst. Hello. 00:01:38.978 --> 00:01:50.001 - been over to the council office forever and I wasn't, I just walked by and going to the gym the other 00:01:50.001 --> 00:02:01.239 - day and it made me so happy to see that painting, that piece of art hung. Oh, it's so happy. Yeah, it's 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.886 - where it's, that's very fun. That's right. 00:02:12.802 --> 00:02:20.855 - Do you want to come down here so you can see the screen? Oh, sure. We've got room. Where's Matt today? 00:02:20.855 --> 00:02:28.829 - He's on Zoom. I'm right here. Hey, Matt. Hey, Mitch. Are you on some fun tropical place like you were 00:02:28.829 --> 00:02:36.648 - last year? I'm in Miramar, Florida. OK, that's close. We're here. It's fine. Yeah, it's a beautiful 00:02:36.648 --> 00:02:41.886 - place. Yeah, it is actually really nice. I am wondering. Oh, yeah. 00:02:42.018 --> 00:02:52.598 - So are we ready to go? One, two, three, four. Cory is supposed to be showing up still. Oh. Well, 00:02:52.598 --> 00:03:03.723 - maybe we've, I'm going to ask how, if we could, since you were so good, could you start this? And the 00:03:03.723 --> 00:03:11.358 - reason is, and then maybe could we do the summons help since I can't, 00:03:12.898 --> 00:03:21.165 - You need to recuse yourself. Yeah, we can do that once Corey gets here. Yeah. Mitch, I saw you somewhere 00:03:21.165 --> 00:03:29.432 - this week, but now I can't remember where it was. Very good. Yes, that is where I'm popular with. That's 00:03:29.432 --> 00:03:38.014 - a great event. I did too. You were there too, right? The CDNI? Yes. Oh yeah, I had to leave early. And then? 00:03:38.178 --> 00:03:45.266 - left to go to the same place. And then it was funny because, you know, this happened all the time too 00:03:45.266 --> 00:03:52.284 - with me as I leave and then someone from the panel says, hey, I'd like to recognize. And then all of 00:03:52.284 --> 00:03:59.442 - the faces went to where you were sitting. Wait, they recognized me after I left? Oh, I'm sorry. Do you 00:03:59.442 --> 00:04:04.862 - remember what she was being recognized for? Just for being awesome, I demand. 00:04:06.018 --> 00:04:14.083 - Any new city council member there, probably. Uh, cause it was that panel that had Eddie and, um, and 00:04:14.083 --> 00:04:22.227 - the other two folks. So it was on the affordable housing. So it must have been something that you did 00:04:22.227 --> 00:04:30.771 - with either the medical debt or the other, or some of the housing. Maybe the housing updates or something. 00:04:30.771 --> 00:04:33.246 - I don't know. But that's nice. 00:04:33.410 --> 00:04:38.813 - Of course, I got to shake hands to Kela with her other partner in class. Yes, yes, he was there. I know, 00:04:38.813 --> 00:04:44.061 - I'm sorry, I had to miss out. I had a conflict, but I wanted to be there. I don't know how many times 00:04:44.061 --> 00:04:49.567 - I've said with various people, well, as soon as Trent gets into office, as soon as Trent gets into office, 00:04:49.567 --> 00:04:54.970 - as soon as Trent gets into office, as soon as Trent gets into office, as soon as Trent gets into office, 00:04:54.970 --> 00:05:00.373 - as soon as Trent gets into office, as soon as Trent gets into office, as soon as Trent gets into office, 00:05:00.373 --> 00:05:02.174 - as soon as Trent gets into office, 00:05:02.658 --> 00:05:24.143 - Yeah, so we're excited, too. Oh, is Michael doing just fine? I saw you, too. I was coming back. I was 00:05:24.143 --> 00:05:27.934 - leaving my class. 00:05:28.354 --> 00:05:37.888 - in between the Hyper and the art museum. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then out to 7th Street where college 00:05:37.888 --> 00:05:47.062 - is broken loose. Wow. It's the college weekend. Oh, the homecoming. But it's the ESPN college weekend 00:05:47.062 --> 00:05:55.966 - thing. If you watch football, I learned this. I wound up at the one in Michigan once. It's bedlam. 00:05:56.226 --> 00:06:03.710 - Big, giant tour buses, TV, it's a thing. There's also an incredibly huge international DJ playing at 00:06:03.710 --> 00:06:11.342 - the Speedway tonight. It's become a new thing. I mean, I don't know how the county feels about it, but 00:06:11.342 --> 00:06:19.122 - I think it was great. I don't know how the county feels either, but when they started making these plans 00:06:19.122 --> 00:06:21.790 - and they were looking for places, I 00:06:21.890 --> 00:06:30.779 - posted at some point and was like, if it's in the city, not outside, like, I still have nightmares from 00:06:30.779 --> 00:06:39.669 - past events like this. But anyway, I have to think it's not particularly welcomed by all the residents. 00:06:39.669 --> 00:06:48.387 - Last time they had one of these, they had people out, like, because people walk in the road. This old 00:06:48.387 --> 00:06:51.550 - lady almost cashed in her VIP ticket 00:06:51.714 --> 00:07:00.237 - um code because i'm so excited about that music even if it's for rat and sorority yeah i i think um 00:07:00.237 --> 00:07:09.016 - there's no like there's no infrastructure out there and so people are walking the street and it's dark 00:07:09.016 --> 00:07:13.278 - gosh and all the neighbors are like what is going 00:07:13.602 --> 00:07:19.987 - Oh my gosh. We don't want to know. I could hear it from my house. Oh yeah, I think Lily went to my house 00:07:19.987 --> 00:07:26.312 - too. Oh yeah. I hear the concerts too. I probably haven't in those. Well yeah. Get over there you guys. 00:07:26.312 --> 00:07:32.576 - Dance it out. I can dance on my bed. I know we can hear the speedway too, although I'll have to listen 00:07:32.576 --> 00:07:38.718 - to see if I can actually get the music. I haven't noticed. The last one in the summer we could hear. 00:07:38.946 --> 00:07:47.030 - Wow. Well, I wouldn't be missing her. I wouldn't mind missing her. You're missing her all the time. 00:07:47.030 --> 00:07:55.276 - Sorry for the sidebar. All right. So do I have to say any special words to start the meeting if we're 00:07:55.276 --> 00:08:03.441 - going to start with Summit Hill discussion? Do I say this hearing is opening? No, because it's not a 00:08:03.441 --> 00:08:07.806 - public hearing this time. It's just a public meeting. 00:08:07.970 --> 00:08:16.821 - This is just us. Well, this public meeting is taking place right now. All right. So we have discussed 00:08:16.821 --> 00:08:26.106 - are there just discussion in general broadly about anything or questions that anyone needed to ask broadly 00:08:26.106 --> 00:08:35.044 - about about any of what we went through. It was kind of what we like the process or anything that came 00:08:35.044 --> 00:08:36.606 - up. We needed the 00:08:37.026 --> 00:08:51.123 - clarify before we get into the specifics. Question maybe about the Centerstone allocation. It looks 00:08:51.123 --> 00:09:05.502 - like almost everybody allocated their original ask. Can you scroll over to show? I think it's the 13. 00:09:05.858 --> 00:09:25.283 - It's the third line down, 13,300, almost all across the board. But Matt sent an update yesterday with 00:09:25.283 --> 00:09:33.662 - their updated ASC, which was 15,925. And so 00:09:35.202 --> 00:09:45.771 - Hey, Matt, can you move the sheet over a little bit? We can't see the names. To the left, to the left. 00:09:45.771 --> 00:09:56.236 - So before we start discussion, I wanted to ask if your intention was to fully fund Centerstone, would 00:09:56.236 --> 00:10:04.958 - you like to bring your recommendation up to that $15,925? Oh, I guess that question. 00:10:05.794 --> 00:10:16.165 - But let me legally do that since in the application, they amended it. We didn't give others an opportunity 00:10:16.165 --> 00:10:26.149 - to update their figures. So I thought we had to go with what was in the application. Matt, what do you 00:10:26.149 --> 00:10:32.062 - say? So the only other time I got asked this time around for 00:10:33.090 --> 00:10:42.033 - being able to change that amount was from Life Designs. Now they did do that before the full application 00:10:42.033 --> 00:10:50.635 - was due, but it was after the pre-app was submitted. And I did reopen the section for them and allow 00:10:50.635 --> 00:10:59.663 - them to amend that amount. It's only allowable, but completely up to you guys as a whole. OK. You allowed 00:10:59.663 --> 00:11:03.070 - Centerstone to amend their application? 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:12.351 - I allow life designs to amend their pre-application. Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned that, I mean, other 00:11:12.351 --> 00:11:20.732 - applicants may have also gotten updated quotes and didn't know that they could amend their application. 00:11:20.732 --> 00:11:29.194 - Well, I guess my question is like it was more than an updated quote. They had to pivot to do a different 00:11:29.194 --> 00:11:31.934 - project. No, that's life designs. 00:11:32.226 --> 00:11:38.997 - Yeah. Life Design switched the houses. Yeah. Centerstone, it was the same project. It was a different 00:11:38.997 --> 00:11:45.701 - estimate for the fencing. Correct. Because she had different numbers in her application, so we asked 00:11:45.701 --> 00:11:52.538 - about it. Life Design had to go back and switch up the houses. Right. They switched up the houses, but 00:11:52.538 --> 00:11:58.910 - we asked Centerstone for the follow-up because they had different numbers in their application. 00:11:59.586 --> 00:12:09.493 - And so we asked for clarity. And so this is clarifying. Sorry. It's really the fence. One thing that 00:12:09.493 --> 00:12:19.401 - I might just point out is that if that conversation happened on the public record during the meeting 00:12:19.401 --> 00:12:29.406 - where all of the applicants were present, then that would have indicated that they could have amended 00:12:30.690 --> 00:12:36.944 - But no, because the presenter from Centerstone wasn't sure. She was surprised when we pointed out the 00:12:36.944 --> 00:12:43.198 - discrepancy in the application. And so she said, I have to go back and check. So I don't think it was 00:12:43.198 --> 00:12:49.513 - clear that, oh, if you go back and check and it's the higher figure, we will accept the higher figure. 00:12:49.513 --> 00:12:55.706 - I don't feel like we said that. No. Or it could take the miniature production and say offense, isn't 00:12:55.706 --> 00:12:58.526 - that a high priority as appliances, so I just 00:12:58.978 --> 00:13:07.933 - You can also add in to the contingency language that that would be the first that you would raise with 00:13:07.933 --> 00:13:16.627 - additional funding if it's available. I mean, yeah, we can do that, but I guess my my question was. 00:13:16.627 --> 00:13:25.495 - Are we sticking with the 13 three or are we allowing the amendment to 1595 before we open discussion? 00:13:25.495 --> 00:13:28.190 - What number are we going with? 00:13:29.826 --> 00:13:39.811 - Is that something the body could consider? Yeah. I would say take it to a vote. All right. Well, it's 00:13:39.811 --> 00:13:49.991 - really sort of a two-fold vote because somewhere that's going to have to reduce something else. I mean, 00:13:49.991 --> 00:13:54.494 - it's a zero-sum game, and if they didn't have 00:13:55.682 --> 00:14:03.509 - the opportunity, if everybody didn't have the opportunity to land, then somebody's right. It just, I 00:14:03.509 --> 00:14:11.414 - also like we're splitting hairs over $3,000. Right. That's the thing too. One thing though that could 00:14:11.414 --> 00:14:19.319 - be done is if there were a motion to entertain officially updating the center stone request to 15925, 00:14:19.319 --> 00:14:21.566 - I'm guessing from this, then 00:14:21.890 --> 00:14:29.267 - it's still up for discussion as to how everyone allocates. It's just, are we considering that to be 00:14:29.267 --> 00:14:36.644 - their official request, or are we considering the official request to be 13.3? To me, because we're 00:14:36.644 --> 00:14:44.094 - still going to have to have, like, whether or not they get the full funding or not is up for ongoing 00:14:44.094 --> 00:14:51.102 - conversation. It's more of like, are we considering their request, this number or that number? 00:14:51.298 --> 00:15:01.464 - And there's a change required either way, potentially. Right. So does anyone have a motion they want 00:15:01.464 --> 00:15:11.933 - to make regarding our acknowledgement of the request amount that's coming from Center South? Yeah, I'll 00:15:11.933 --> 00:15:18.878 - move that. We consider their official request to be $13,300. Second. 00:15:20.034 --> 00:15:37.503 - All in favor of that motion? Aye. All opposed? No. Any objections? Right. Anything else we need to sort 00:15:37.503 --> 00:15:46.238 - out broadly? So it's now not the time to talk about 00:15:46.754 --> 00:15:56.120 - the fact that that line under Courtney's column will have to come down. I mean, it'll all get adjusted. 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:05.307 - Yeah. It gets adjusted later. It's also $3,000. Yeah. Okay. So who do we want to start with? So we're 00:16:05.307 --> 00:16:14.313 - going to start with Summit Hill because Mitch is recusing himself from that session. So let's start 00:16:14.313 --> 00:16:15.934 - with Summit Hill. 00:16:26.114 --> 00:16:35.254 - It looks like you were the only one to fully fund them. Yes, I did fully fund them. Great question. 00:16:35.254 --> 00:16:44.486 - Actually, now that you mentioned this, this is the one I was going to take down on 250. I should put 00:16:44.486 --> 00:16:53.717 - 249.5. 249.5 is what I really should put in there. Yes, I did fully fund them. The main reason I did 00:16:53.717 --> 00:16:54.814 - was because 00:16:55.874 --> 00:17:05.435 - My it's really my philosophy around CBG. You know, one of the things that I think CBG physical improvements 00:17:05.435 --> 00:17:15.262 - has the opportunity to do is to improve like a community wide asset. And we have that whole conversation about 00:17:15.522 --> 00:17:23.330 - the utilities and how some of Hill owns their own utilities, which is a little bit unusual when it comes 00:17:23.330 --> 00:17:30.914 - to sewers and storm water. And this was something that was just sort of the way it was because of the 00:17:30.914 --> 00:17:37.086 - way that those agreements were made back when BHA established this development and 00:17:37.218 --> 00:17:44.739 - So to me, this was an opportunity for CDBG to go to support something that, yes, was put in 00:17:44.739 --> 00:17:52.423 - by an organization outside of the city, but was also for the common good to prevent flooding, 00:17:52.423 --> 00:18:00.598 - sewage leaching, all sorts of other issues that might come up in a situation where there's a little 00:18:00.598 --> 00:18:06.974 - bit of a nuanced gray area about who should be or should not be operating the 00:18:07.106 --> 00:18:19.098 - utilities there. I appreciate that framing and I think I shared that mostly, but I just didn't feel 00:18:19.098 --> 00:18:31.089 - like it merited half of the entire budget that I wanted to allow there to be more funding for other 00:18:31.089 --> 00:18:36.126 - projects. And what really struck me about 00:18:37.090 --> 00:18:49.816 - Senate Hill's presentation was part of the risk of mold was a big factor. So I felt like at $1.65, I 00:18:49.816 --> 00:19:01.912 - still funded it really well. If you take Mitch's $69,000 out of it, the rest of us, our average 00:19:01.912 --> 00:19:05.566 - recommendation was $179,000. 00:19:06.754 --> 00:19:16.120 - My thinking, I actually did that one last. And my thinking was, I wanted to give them as much as possible. 00:19:16.120 --> 00:19:25.136 - 250 is half. Yeah. So I, you know, that was sort of where my head was at, was it wasn't, they couldn't 00:19:25.136 --> 00:19:34.239 - give us a, like, per downspout rate. And so it was sort of like, I know that they will find the funding 00:19:34.239 --> 00:19:35.902 - somewhere else to, 00:19:36.354 --> 00:19:43.706 - bridge the gap, but certainly I felt like it impacts a lot of people. It's unfair that they have to 00:19:43.706 --> 00:19:51.131 - own all of it. It could have pretty big health ramifications. I didn't get the impression they would 00:19:51.131 --> 00:19:58.557 - be able to fund the gap. I had the impression they were just going to do as much as they got funding 00:19:58.557 --> 00:20:05.982 - for. So maybe they'll come back next year and ask for more, but I don't know that they have a lot of 00:20:06.146 --> 00:20:14.919 - opportunities to, I don't remember them mentioning other funding options. She did say that they would 00:20:14.919 --> 00:20:23.949 - scale the project comparative to what they received. Right. Yeah, that's what I recall. I'm sorry, being 00:20:23.949 --> 00:20:32.636 - the new person on this committee, maybe you've already considered doing things this way, but I would 00:20:32.636 --> 00:20:34.270 - love to hear about 00:20:35.458 --> 00:20:46.070 - The applications that got a zero recommendation first, because of course they're all dependent on the 00:20:46.070 --> 00:20:56.579 - other. If we agree as a group, my sister's closet doesn't get any funding, then I'd be happy to give 00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:04.798 - more funding to Summit Hill. Does that make sense that we can maybe talk about 00:21:05.762 --> 00:21:12.014 - I think the first applicant in the list, none of us wanted to give money to, so we probably don't need 00:21:12.014 --> 00:21:18.327 - to spend much time on them. But moving to cooperative living and my sister's closet had members of this 00:21:18.327 --> 00:21:24.762 - committee that felt like they should not get any funding. And so I would love to start with understanding 00:21:24.762 --> 00:21:29.982 - that reasoning. Yeah. And Kyle, I don't know if you want to speak about BCL first or? 00:21:30.082 --> 00:21:39.983 - I can. Well, we want Mitch to be back because he comes back for these discussions. So we can we can 00:21:39.983 --> 00:21:50.180 - move from Summit Hill and then he'll leave when we make the final. Sounds good. Decision. You guys can 00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:58.398 - go through the list as many times as you want. So there's no limit on readjusting. 00:21:58.786 --> 00:22:06.789 - I mean, Isabel, was your allocation for BHA basically what was left over? Yes, exactly. Was there some 00:22:06.789 --> 00:22:14.638 - magic number to get you to win a 19? That wasn't, it was just- No, because they didn't parse it out. 00:22:14.638 --> 00:22:22.719 - You would be willing to come up if there was other money left. Michael, are you in a similar situation? 00:22:22.719 --> 00:22:27.614 - Yes, that number was just to make it. It's just what was left. 00:22:27.746 --> 00:22:38.114 - Yeah, and I was kind of in the same place. Obviously, I had more to give. But yeah, you wanted to fully 00:22:38.114 --> 00:22:48.183 - fund them. Yeah, although I am like, I'm also practical about, like, I'm not like, if we don't fully 00:22:48.183 --> 00:22:56.158 - fund VHA, I'm starting out. I do have a procedural question, and Mitch is back. 00:22:56.482 --> 00:23:04.131 - So in the spreadsheet, the number on Mitch's column by Summit Hill is in red. And how does it work? 00:23:04.131 --> 00:23:11.934 - Is that a leftover number from your other allocation? Mitch is just a placeholder so that my formulas 00:23:11.934 --> 00:23:18.206 - work. If I didn't put something in there, it didn't work. So that's why it's red. 00:23:18.530 --> 00:23:29.323 - Ignore it. No, it's a non-number. It's a non-number, which is why I reallocate. I recalculated our total 00:23:29.323 --> 00:23:40.425 - for Summit Hill and it's closer to 179,000 rather than the- 176, 156, 82 is the average. 16 of R5 together. 00:23:40.425 --> 00:23:47.518 - What was the average? 176, 156, 82. Then we've got a conflict there. 00:23:50.306 --> 00:24:02.702 - Wait, sorry. Wait a minute. One too many. 179, 206. 179, 206, 84. Yeah, sorry, 84. Okay. I think you're 00:24:02.702 --> 00:24:14.860 - right. I think we leave that number for now and then we come back. Unless Jane, did you feel strongly 00:24:14.860 --> 00:24:18.078 - about your 186? I'm right. 00:24:18.978 --> 00:24:28.662 - I feel flexible about it. I did feel like it merited significant funding, but I also appreciate kind 00:24:28.662 --> 00:24:38.922 - of Isabella, you didn't say this exactly, but like we would anticipate that they may come back for another 00:24:38.922 --> 00:24:48.606 - round of funding for the project. Okay. Well, maybe let's sort of leave the 179206 as a placeholder. 00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:58.456 - for that for now, knowing that we will likely come back to it? Is that? That sounds like a plan. And 00:24:58.456 --> 00:25:07.682 - then do we want to just officially knock out behavioral housing solutions? Yeah. So Mitch, you're back 00:25:07.682 --> 00:25:16.639 - in the meeting. And actually, you can run this until you have to leave again. All right. Well, I'll 00:25:16.639 --> 00:25:18.878 - yield to Corey. Awesome. 00:25:19.074 --> 00:25:27.552 - Anyone opposed to allocating zero dollars to BHS? Great. Next. Let's talk about... Sorry, I just want 00:25:27.552 --> 00:25:36.362 - to say for the record in case people are watching it that we're sensitive to the work that they're trying 00:25:36.362 --> 00:25:44.757 - to accomplish. And for me, it was mostly about the lack of site control for the project and the lack 00:25:44.757 --> 00:25:48.414 - of like the organization is still emerging. 00:25:48.578 --> 00:26:00.852 - and it feels like there's a lot of networking work to do. I put notes in my response to that effect 00:26:00.852 --> 00:26:13.126 - to help them maybe take the next steps. Okay, thanks. Very good. We all agree. Yeah. BCL. Kyla, why 00:26:13.126 --> 00:26:18.526 - did you do Xero? I did Xero in part because 00:26:19.746 --> 00:26:28.992 - When I looked at the overall asks, so here's how I'll just tell you my methodology. This will probably 00:26:28.992 --> 00:26:38.059 - shed some light. When I look at the asks, I scored them in the system. So all those scores are held. 00:26:38.059 --> 00:26:48.382 - The higher of the scores, I mean, most of my scores that had awards were at like 85 or so or up basically for the, 00:26:49.058 --> 00:27:02.347 - Organizations that were asking for a relatively small amount of money, I generally put that in first. 00:27:02.347 --> 00:27:16.158 - So the 13-3 and the 62 went in as funded. The others I then look at based on requests and past experience 00:27:16.158 --> 00:27:17.982 - and all that. 00:27:18.114 --> 00:27:28.417 - Bloomington Cooperative Living, I was super concerned about their lack of occupancy permit, but they're 00:27:28.417 --> 00:27:38.919 - using their property for occupancy. I think that that's a bad precedent to have a situation where there's 00:27:38.919 --> 00:27:45.854 - a violation of city code, but we're looking at them as a recipient of 00:27:46.082 --> 00:27:54.302 - these dollars. So that was a red flag for me in the presentation. I also, and maybe my memory might 00:27:54.302 --> 00:28:02.605 - be too fuzzy. I believe in their application they had cited like two other CDBG grants. Did they not 00:28:02.605 --> 00:28:08.030 - have more than just those two that they cited in the application? 00:28:08.962 --> 00:28:17.445 - They've had two other CDBG awards for different properties that have been handled by volunteers that 00:28:17.445 --> 00:28:26.264 - lived in the property. So does that mean they had two additional on top of what was in their application 00:28:26.264 --> 00:28:34.998 - or they've only had two total? They've only had two total. Okay. All right. Because I thought they were 00:28:34.998 --> 00:28:37.854 - with us last year. But maybe not. 00:28:38.690 --> 00:28:49.564 - I can look and see if they apply it. I don't remember at this point. Oops, I got rid of the spreadsheet. 00:28:49.564 --> 00:29:00.024 - But based on the calculation, it looked like it was going to potentially benefit 10 people. And when 00:29:00.024 --> 00:29:07.998 - taking some of those other factors, taking those smaller requests out of the 00:29:08.450 --> 00:29:24.865 - mix, it just seemed like not that many people benefited compared to the other proposals. Michael, you 00:29:24.865 --> 00:29:35.326 - recommended the second least smallest allocation. For BCL? Yeah. 00:29:36.962 --> 00:29:48.452 - I say 105. Those things that Kayla mentioned, particularly the low number of immediate beneficiaries. 00:29:48.452 --> 00:29:59.942 - But my concern is often a lack of diversity in their funding constellation. If they're relying on CVG 00:29:59.942 --> 00:30:06.814 - almost exclusively, it just gets to be problematic, I think. 00:30:07.074 --> 00:30:15.574 - in a number of ways. And I think they have the capacity to do it. I had other concerns, though, too. 00:30:15.574 --> 00:30:24.748 - Like, what are they going to do to the people that live in there now if they're going to call it renovation? 00:30:24.748 --> 00:30:33.332 - Where's the staff member? That would not be open to relocation expenses, right? Well, they would have 00:30:33.332 --> 00:30:36.446 - to buy a little federal block of CVG 00:30:36.802 --> 00:30:45.858 - required so then we so then we just spend a bunch more money around if if if that requires that well 00:30:45.858 --> 00:30:54.915 - that's what i'm asking is whether it requires it i know that in general cdbg requires relocation but 00:30:54.915 --> 00:31:04.151 - i didn't know if in this specific project it would good question matt so if if the level of renovation 00:31:04.151 --> 00:31:05.406 - requires them 00:31:05.826 --> 00:31:13.658 - whoever is staying at the property to be relocated for any period of time, they would have to follow 00:31:13.658 --> 00:31:21.490 - the Uniform Relocation Act and provide other lodging for the people that are currently living in the 00:31:21.490 --> 00:31:29.632 - home. Is that something we ask in the application? It is. So what did they say? I believe they indicated 00:31:29.632 --> 00:31:34.750 - that they could shift people around and make provisions for that. 00:31:37.090 --> 00:31:50.262 - I can look. They already have. Yeah, that can get expensive. I mean, there goes $105,000. What do you 00:31:50.262 --> 00:32:03.175 - mean? I mean, that could easily be where $100,000 goes. $100,000? Have you tried to rent a place in 00:32:03.175 --> 00:32:05.758 - Bloomington lately? 00:32:06.882 --> 00:32:14.529 - Well, they are going to be doing parts of the house. It sounded like to me, I thought they were doing 00:32:14.529 --> 00:32:22.026 - some major, depending on they were going to do that whole first level in the kitchen and balcony. I 00:32:22.026 --> 00:32:29.748 - would also add, I'm at least hoping there aren't 10 people in there right now. I was sort of under the 00:32:29.748 --> 00:32:34.846 - impression it might've been like a couple of people. Yeah. Um, but, 00:32:36.418 --> 00:32:44.652 - I might, if it's okay, I might speak to why I'm the next smallest here. I saw it was 120, which I felt 00:32:44.652 --> 00:32:52.726 - like was a significant contribution. But I shared Kyla's concern about the lack of occupancy permit. 00:32:52.726 --> 00:33:01.200 - I assume that as soon as that is flagged with staff, which it was, we had multiple staff members present, 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.998 - that that would be followed up on. 00:33:04.514 --> 00:33:12.420 - Register they registered and it has been expected for at least a run. Okay, great. Um, so that gives 00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:20.326 - me some comfort to the point about 10 units. I wrestled with this a little bit and not because there 00:33:20.326 --> 00:33:28.545 - is more significant, you know, higher number of units with some of the other projects. But I think these 00:33:28.545 --> 00:33:33.790 - types of units, I value them really highly because they meet these 00:33:34.082 --> 00:33:41.491 - extremely low and LMI thresholds, but they don't have the same barriers and they don't have the same 00:33:41.491 --> 00:33:45.086 - apparatus as like a lie tech project, these are. 00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:51.816 - managed in a different way that drives down affordability. I think it is a really important missing 00:33:51.816 --> 00:33:58.287 - piece that is both helping prevent people from slipping into homelessness or helping them emerge out 00:33:58.287 --> 00:34:04.949 - of it. They have said, not in this meeting, so I don't know whether it can be considered, but it's just 00:34:04.949 --> 00:34:11.484 - knowledge I have of the organization, that they are supportive. It's not a halfway house, but they've 00:34:11.484 --> 00:34:13.982 - been able to support residents who are 00:34:14.146 --> 00:34:21.570 - recovering from substance use disorder who are moving into their places, I think it's just really beneficial 00:34:21.570 --> 00:34:28.517 - for these kind of flexible reasons and these kind of softer reasons. So that's why I felt even though 00:34:28.517 --> 00:34:35.327 - it's only 10 units, I feel like they're really pretty important and they're pretty cheap. Yeah. Was 00:34:35.327 --> 00:34:42.206 - it 10 units or too bad? I think it's the same thing. It's the same. Yeah. Well, and if they took the 00:34:42.434 --> 00:34:51.399 - upstairs, that would be a pair. So anyway, that's where I'm interested with it. So I didn't fund it 00:34:51.399 --> 00:35:00.363 - totally, but I felt like they'd get a lot done for that amount. There are other applicants who also 00:35:00.363 --> 00:35:09.866 - only serve like the Centerstone, that's eight, one better. Life Designs, that's nine people. So if that's 00:35:09.866 --> 00:35:11.838 - the criteria, I think 00:35:12.962 --> 00:35:21.391 - Wooding other projects as well. The number of the lower asking for less. Yeah, significantly less. 00:35:21.391 --> 00:35:30.330 - I mean, I felt like funding the 1st phase of their project. For a couple of reasons, I felt like funding 00:35:30.330 --> 00:35:38.078 - all 3 phases might be a little bit more than they handle administrative. I also felt like. 00:35:38.338 --> 00:35:45.564 - Keeping them engaged with the city is probably the best route to find things like compliance in the 00:35:45.564 --> 00:35:52.861 - future, even if they aren't compliant right now, which sounds like it's literally already happening, 00:35:52.861 --> 00:36:00.087 - whether we give them any money or not, which is great. I also agree that this is the missing middle 00:36:00.087 --> 00:36:02.110 - that we often look towards. 00:36:02.562 --> 00:36:09.474 - in the Bloomington Housing Solutions that we don't always get applications like this. And so I do feel 00:36:09.474 --> 00:36:16.319 - like it is a good opportunity, even though I don't, I just, I don't think the capacity of funding all 00:36:16.319 --> 00:36:23.366 - three phases is really what they're capable of. I do feel like giving them the allotment for their first 00:36:23.366 --> 00:36:30.345 - phase would help them to continue the mission, but then also keep them engaged. So that's kind of where 00:36:30.345 --> 00:36:31.486 - I just did that. 00:36:31.586 --> 00:36:41.629 - that first phase ask. I did the same. Well, and for me, why I chose $200,000 was, I know, but I do agree 00:36:41.629 --> 00:36:51.577 - with Cory. I didn't agree that at the end of me, there's lots of needs. And one was the upstairs suite, 00:36:51.577 --> 00:36:59.038 - which I have no doubt will benefit a couple. But, and then, you know, having, 00:36:59.714 --> 00:37:07.582 - You know, on the flip side as to why they're asking for 200 is you gotta look at it in this way too 00:37:07.582 --> 00:37:15.528 - is, I mean, homes are very expensive in women's homes. So they probably found this home really cheap 00:37:15.528 --> 00:37:23.789 - because it needed a lot of work. You know, had they bought a house for $400,000, it might be only coming 00:37:23.789 --> 00:37:28.510 - here for $50,000. So to me, that's kind of a way, you know, 00:37:29.122 --> 00:37:37.493 - And I think that, yeah, you know, to search at people that are in a vulnerable spot, this fits a niche 00:37:37.493 --> 00:37:45.620 - in the middle. But I'm okay, too, with just doing first phase. And the law is not kicking them out, 00:37:45.620 --> 00:37:54.071 - you know, in the cold for a time where they have to then go apply for that second phase. I wasn't quite 00:37:54.071 --> 00:37:57.566 - sure maybe Matt could add clarity on that. 00:37:58.658 --> 00:38:11.587 - in the pre-chain occupancy if they just do that first phase? That I'm not sure. I think that would be 00:38:11.587 --> 00:38:24.389 - a question directly for them, what they think the first phase will get them. So I'm not sure exactly 00:38:24.389 --> 00:38:28.318 - how they answer that for them. 00:38:29.410 --> 00:38:36.354 - because I don't know the current condition of the home versus what the first phase of rehab we get them 00:38:36.354 --> 00:38:43.098 - to. Well, Christina, you said that they passed inspection. Well, no, it is. It's been registered and 00:38:43.098 --> 00:38:49.775 - they went out on their first inspection. Oh, OK. They will have you re-inspected and everything. If 00:38:49.775 --> 00:38:56.652 - I look at this here, I wrote in my comments, Bundle 1 first destabilized the building, and then number 00:38:56.652 --> 00:38:59.390 - 2 was convert the home to the SRO units. 00:38:59.746 --> 00:39:08.103 - That's my own. I'm still old, so I use several of those. Three is add other units. It does sound like 00:39:08.103 --> 00:39:16.295 - they could be converted, maybe not have the full 10 for safety and security. It was a group on also 00:39:16.295 --> 00:39:24.734 - in its previous slide. I don't know if you guys know that. I'm not sure who operated it. I believe you 00:39:24.734 --> 00:39:26.782 - if that's what you know. 00:39:27.394 --> 00:39:37.096 - So it was almost like a, like a NOAA project, kind of a natural or natural for any verbal housing. And 00:39:37.096 --> 00:39:46.892 - that I know still needs money to keep it. Yeah, I'm looking for that question, Matt, because I thought, 00:39:46.892 --> 00:39:55.934 - like you said, there was a question about. The application doesn't follow up, which I think I'm 00:39:56.162 --> 00:40:04.786 - think I will change that. But I believe he, I feel like he said it in his presentation that they had 00:40:04.786 --> 00:40:14.093 - other spots for people. But I mean, they have been made aware that if they do have to, if the rehabilitation 00:40:14.093 --> 00:40:22.887 - would take such a level that they would have to move people out that they have to find places for them 00:40:22.887 --> 00:40:25.278 - to live. They do know that. 00:40:28.066 --> 00:40:38.471 - Well, they did. So they have put aside $30,000 of their own funds. So if they can only do phase one, 00:40:38.471 --> 00:40:48.876 - that would be $20,000 extra dollars that they have that could help pay for temporary housing if they 00:40:48.876 --> 00:40:57.118 - don't have availability in their other buildings. Is there any other questions? 00:40:58.210 --> 00:41:09.191 - I would just say when I first started doing my calculations, I started with that first phase for them. 00:41:09.191 --> 00:41:20.492 - So that's not, I don't think out of reach in my imagination, but I wanted to fund BHA fully. Does someone 00:41:20.492 --> 00:41:27.422 - want to make a motion? Make a motion to fund BCL at $130,916.80. 00:41:28.194 --> 00:41:36.162 - But are they in their second for them? You know, I would feel more comfortable if we discuss all of 00:41:36.162 --> 00:41:44.129 - them first. Is that not how it's been done? Because we might have to recalibrate. Yeah, we can hold 00:41:44.129 --> 00:41:52.177 - the 130, 916. Matt, could you hold that cell so we remember that is the second? I don't think I have 00:41:52.177 --> 00:41:56.798 - this. No, I wanted to say that before there was a second. 00:41:57.666 --> 00:42:07.227 - I purposely did that. It's sneaky. I'm sneaky. Yes, that's fine. I'm sorry. If you guys can look at 00:42:07.227 --> 00:42:16.978 - the chat, I posted the response from the person that filled out the application or her question about 00:42:16.978 --> 00:42:21.950 - that specific question of the occupancy. Oh, sweet. 00:42:28.962 --> 00:42:42.988 - Okay, that's good. Yeah. Okay. So they do have a plan for that, but it might not come out of their expenses. 00:42:42.988 --> 00:42:56.112 - Okay. Okay. Well, let's discuss this center stone and my experience being a city administrator is the 00:42:56.112 --> 00:42:58.686 - biggest dollar most 00:42:58.786 --> 00:43:10.203 - are the quickest to pass but the smallest one since to be the ones that that's not the most of the time. 00:43:10.203 --> 00:43:20.097 - I'm fine coming down to the 13.3. Since I'm the one that went broke her, I guess I am too. 00:43:20.097 --> 00:43:24.990 - So there you go. 13.3 plus older. All right. 00:43:25.442 --> 00:43:33.837 - Should we go to Life Designs or should we go down to My Sister's Closet? It looked like My Sister's 00:43:33.837 --> 00:43:42.317 - Closet was another zebra. There's a couple of scrapings there. Do we want to talk about Life Designs 00:43:42.317 --> 00:43:50.712 - because it looks less complicated, Mary? It does look. We're more in the ballpark. But I think it's 00:43:50.712 --> 00:43:54.910 - dancing with My Sister's Closet, spending pounds. 00:43:56.258 --> 00:44:05.525 - That one is kind of dependent on the other for me. So I only funded one of the houses, the North Dunn 00:44:05.525 --> 00:44:15.064 - Street Porsche Rehab for life designs. On the other hand, I gave more to my sister's closet than anybody 00:44:15.064 --> 00:44:24.239 - else. Mitch, were you thinking just one of the houses as well? Michael, you did a 50. Yeah, it might 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.238 - have been a rounding. 00:44:26.338 --> 00:44:36.388 - situation by then. Not error, but just what you got to, yeah. I'm completely, they had, if memory serves, 00:44:36.388 --> 00:44:46.059 - they had theirs broken out in Fairbanks. Yeah, and they would receive quite a few of these awards, so 00:44:46.059 --> 00:44:52.222 - we know they're capable of administering and executing the work. 00:44:53.762 --> 00:45:00.940 - Yeah. I mean, I had money left over from not funding my sister's class. Yeah. I went the full amount 00:45:00.940 --> 00:45:08.332 - just because I was really, I don't know, the floor and water, maybe concern and just make anything that 00:45:08.332 --> 00:45:15.724 - is mold can have such critical secondary health issues. It can, it can be really problematic for people 00:45:15.724 --> 00:45:21.054 - who are in, in it for an extended period of time. So that just creating a. 00:45:21.250 --> 00:45:29.435 - Really usable outdoor space too. Yeah. It felt to me like a priority that oftentimes is overlooked. 00:45:29.435 --> 00:45:37.866 - Well, I'm comfortable with moving now. I am too. I might. I'm fine. I'm Isabelle. I think I would like 00:45:37.866 --> 00:45:46.460 - to also talk about my sister deposit where we stick to a number of life designs. But Kyla, did you weigh 00:45:46.460 --> 00:45:48.670 - in on life design? I just. 00:45:49.186 --> 00:46:00.761 - I'm looking at the impact and the amount requested. I just automatically give them the full now. Okay. 00:46:00.761 --> 00:46:11.550 - Well, maybe we'll put a placeholder in there and move to my sister's closet. Okay. Corey. Okay. 00:46:11.906 --> 00:46:21.729 - I like my sister's closet. I think they have a big impact. They serve a niche in the community that 00:46:21.729 --> 00:46:31.749 - no one else serves. They have proved that they can use these allocations well. My biggest concern was 00:46:31.749 --> 00:46:39.902 - the scope of work. I felt like the purpose of the money is to get to a point where 00:46:40.770 --> 00:46:49.468 - the spaces, the physical spaces are usable by the community. And by the scope of work, it felt like 00:46:49.468 --> 00:46:58.601 - they needed twice as much as they were asking us, which they did not have secured yet, to even get close 00:46:58.601 --> 00:47:07.300 - to opening the doors. And so to me, it just felt like we could give them partial funding for like a 00:47:07.300 --> 00:47:09.822 - couple of beams, but I just, 00:47:09.986 --> 00:47:19.281 - I was really struggling with, and I like, I know they have a very big backing and a lot of big donors. 00:47:19.281 --> 00:47:28.395 - I was just really, really struggling with partial funding. I was really struggling with full funding 00:47:28.395 --> 00:47:37.600 - because I just, it was inconceivable to me to even prep the space and get the structure out. And then 00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:39.134 - it just be like, 00:47:40.034 --> 00:47:48.420 - a framed in square and like no walls on each back. Like I just was really struggling with that. And 00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:56.891 - I going back to my philosophy about like this money directly impacting people. I just felt like this 00:47:56.891 --> 00:47:59.742 - was so little of their full need. 00:48:00.834 --> 00:48:06.983 - that it was hard for me that I would encourage them to come back next year when they have the other 00:48:06.983 --> 00:48:13.316 - funding secured and they're ready and like, it's just closer. And they are just starting, they're just 00:48:13.316 --> 00:48:19.526 - starting work on last year's funding like now. So like, I don't know, I just was sort of like, maybe 00:48:19.526 --> 00:48:25.675 - they could come back with the same ass next year. That's really similar to my perspective. And I'll 00:48:25.675 --> 00:48:29.118 - just add that I, because I'm new to the group, I asked, 00:48:29.314 --> 00:48:37.214 - Matt, a couple clarifying questions about timing because I know that they wouldn't get this award until 00:48:37.214 --> 00:48:45.113 - a year from now. And then our thinking was, or not our, I don't know, what I deduced from that was that 00:48:45.113 --> 00:48:52.785 - like, well, they wouldn't likely be able to, what do they say, turn dirt until the spring. So spring 00:48:52.785 --> 00:48:57.950 - of 28, but then the project is supposed to be up and running by the 00:48:58.210 --> 00:49:05.552 - end of the year, so serving people. So for me, I think it's a hugely important project. I have just 00:49:05.552 --> 00:49:13.041 - tons of respect for Sandy and the organization. I know they will get it done. I think that this needs 00:49:13.041 --> 00:49:20.456 - to come back as a request for last dollars in, not first dollars in, and then they'll be on a better 00:49:20.456 --> 00:49:27.358 - timeline. So that was the gist of it. And then in terms of other risks, I just felt like the, 00:49:27.618 --> 00:49:34.953 - Fundraising timeline is a risk, like they'll get it done, but how long will it take? And with 00:49:34.953 --> 00:49:43.301 - the environmental needing to be done, that is a giant unknown that could push that, could further compress 00:49:43.301 --> 00:49:51.104 - that construction timeline. And I have to say, I was the least certain about this one of all of the 00:49:51.104 --> 00:49:56.254 - applicants. And Corey, you were very eloquent about the research. 00:49:57.186 --> 00:50:06.787 - And all the things everybody else said, I would be comfortable lowering my original one. I wanted to 00:50:06.787 --> 00:50:16.388 - fund it because I think it's good for them and us, them and the city to be a participant in it. It's 00:50:16.388 --> 00:50:26.654 - important. It's been growing, blah, blah, blah. They're all over the place now. But I share those concerns. 00:50:27.138 --> 00:50:35.115 - They, you know, they, I don't know, everybody else has to go out and borrow money to build a new building. 00:50:35.115 --> 00:50:42.570 - I don't know, I think it's time for them to consider more options and just hit us in the usual way. 00:50:42.570 --> 00:50:50.025 - Yeah, last dollars. Yeah, I like the last dollars. Hey man, in their application, did they have any 00:50:50.025 --> 00:50:56.734 - dollar amounts for, you know, cause this is an addition. So is there any pre-development? 00:50:57.154 --> 00:51:02.864 - work that they need to do. I mean, I'd be fine with, you know, they say, well, we need to hire an architect 00:51:02.864 --> 00:51:07.834 - and engineer. Yeah. Or we can get a grading done or something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was 00:51:07.834 --> 00:51:13.121 - some groundwork. I feel like it was pretty small, though. But don't they still have heat? Yeah. I'm 00:51:13.121 --> 00:51:18.566 - sure they have that. I don't think that they parsed that out specifically. But, I mean, with anything, 00:51:18.566 --> 00:51:20.734 - there's going to be development dollars. 00:51:20.994 --> 00:51:28.688 - this organization is not a construction company, so they would be farming any and all of that out. They're 00:51:28.688 --> 00:51:35.880 - working with people on the current renovation that is, you know, running the project for them. So I 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:43.143 - would assume that we continue on in that manner. I feel like I would feel more comfortable funding a 00:51:43.143 --> 00:51:50.046 - environmental report, you know, like an architecture design and like some grading or, you know, 00:51:50.466 --> 00:51:58.461 - They do have $60,000 for architectural services. They're not asking us for that, but that's in their 00:51:58.461 --> 00:52:06.772 - budget. But I would feel comfortable with that. I would totally feel. Matt, could they re-scope to scope 00:52:06.772 --> 00:52:14.846 - way down to just that for this year? Yeah. Just so you guys know, we almost always tweak the scope of 00:52:14.846 --> 00:52:17.854 - things once we get to agreement time. 00:52:18.018 --> 00:52:25.102 - we're talking about these projects now and then they don't get funded and agreements written for another 00:52:25.102 --> 00:52:31.848 - year, eight months to a year. So things get adjusted and changed. We always do our best to keep the 00:52:31.848 --> 00:52:38.595 - spirit of the original project in mind and make it happen, but things almost always do get adjusted 00:52:38.595 --> 00:52:44.734 - and changed. So that would be very normal to adjust the scope down to something like that. 00:52:46.466 --> 00:52:53.366 - Question about that though. Why I mean are they do they not have it in the request for this funding 00:52:53.366 --> 00:53:00.404 - because they have already? They already have funding that's specifically covering that. That's a good 00:53:00.404 --> 00:53:07.443 - question. I can look through the application to see what they have. If it denotes that. I wouldn't be 00:53:07.443 --> 00:53:15.102 - surprised if they don't already have preliminary drawings that were done with the drawings for the renovation. 00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:31.456 - Can I just ask a clarifying question on timeline again? So if the project were to be partially funded 00:53:31.456 --> 00:53:44.443 - or an earlier phase of some part of the work, would it still be required to be community serving by 00:53:44.443 --> 00:53:46.910 - the same deadline? 00:53:47.682 --> 00:53:56.389 - I think that feels really good as a middle ground, but I'm just concerned about compliance. Yeah, I 00:53:56.389 --> 00:54:05.532 - think if it was a project that we had not given any prior funding to or wasn't already an up and running 00:54:05.532 --> 00:54:14.239 - operation, that would come into play. But we funded them before for the same property and they will 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:15.806 - be up and running 00:54:16.322 --> 00:54:24.753 - and serving a national objective on that property to satisfy the previous grant award. So I think that's 00:54:24.753 --> 00:54:33.345 - less of a worry in this instance, instead of like, say, if we were doing the first one that got no funding 00:54:33.345 --> 00:54:41.374 - where they don't have an award, the project's not already agreeing to serve the national objective. 00:54:41.374 --> 00:54:45.630 - I think that would be a different way to look at it. 00:54:45.730 --> 00:54:55.524 - You are also able to fund development costs. And as long as the project is viewed as likely to be completed 00:54:55.524 --> 00:55:04.593 - and to serve the national objective, you are able to fund that. And even if it eventually would not 00:55:04.593 --> 00:55:13.752 - go through, as long as up until that point, it was viable that it could and would serve the national 00:55:13.752 --> 00:55:14.750 - objective. 00:55:15.010 --> 00:55:25.181 - able to be funded if all that made sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we funded them and say 60,000, 00:55:25.181 --> 00:55:34.868 - that's a much smaller portion of the overall allocation. The percentage of funding that has already 00:55:34.868 --> 00:55:43.198 - gone out, it wouldn't affect that as much either. You mean like their previous? Yeah. 00:55:43.746 --> 00:55:51.828 - Because by the spring, don't we have to have a certain percentage of the total allocation already out 00:55:51.828 --> 00:55:59.830 - the door? Yeah, our timeliness measure is not to have more than one and a half times our allocation. 00:55:59.830 --> 00:56:07.991 - And we still have to spend down quite a bit. We're working on it and getting very close. And actually, 00:56:07.991 --> 00:56:12.190 - my sister's closet will be a big part of that there. 00:56:12.674 --> 00:56:22.737 - getting ready to begin the renovation, and they will spend money rather quickly. They've been sitting 00:56:22.737 --> 00:56:32.799 - waiting for the go-ahead. Yeah. But if we fund them a smaller amount, it'll be a smaller debt in that 00:56:32.799 --> 00:56:42.270 - as well. Well, in there, the attachment of, let's see, under project details, project timeline, 00:56:43.106 --> 00:56:53.314 - The attachment does talk about site prep and funding for site prep estimated at $115,000 to be funded 00:56:53.314 --> 00:57:03.421 - by the Big Gala in February. So I mean, there is site prep that needs to be done. Maybe that's what, 00:57:03.421 --> 00:57:09.726 - maybe we pivot and look at 115. I mean, somewhere between that 00:57:10.530 --> 00:57:19.112 - I mean, 60,000 architecture, 115 site prep somewhere in there. I find it sort of confusing. Like, why 00:57:19.112 --> 00:57:28.030 - didn't they put that site prep in their funding list? Maybe they thought they were going to do it before. 00:57:29.218 --> 00:57:35.847 - Like if they were going to prep the site, they were going to do that before they get this funding released. 00:57:35.847 --> 00:57:42.231 - Cause that's, that's the hard part. I mean, I, I, I empathize with the struggle of the timeline because 00:57:42.231 --> 00:57:48.676 - it's you're looking way ahead. I mean, yes, maybe just a year, but you're looking like pretty far ahead. 00:57:48.676 --> 00:57:55.183 - And if you're actively working on a site, the likelihood that they want to do the site prep while they're 00:57:55.183 --> 00:57:57.822 - doing other things, maybe with their first 00:57:58.274 --> 00:58:06.498 - funding from, or the last funding that came in last year. I could see them thinking through this in 00:58:06.498 --> 00:58:14.969 - a timely way where it's like, if we could get everything ready, then when this funding kicked in, they 00:58:14.969 --> 00:58:23.934 - could actually move forward with the next phases. So would we be hampering them inadvertently by giving them 00:58:25.506 --> 00:58:34.367 - like early phase funding that they don't get access to until late 2027. I think it sounds like, Matt, 00:58:34.367 --> 00:58:43.663 - they get to talk about the scope changes. I mean, like if they get, let's say, pulling a number completely 00:58:43.663 --> 00:58:48.702 - out of thin air, they get $100,000, then they're going to 00:58:50.210 --> 00:58:57.780 - They're going to talk about the scope when those adjustments are made. So we're not locking them into 00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:05.201 - what that scope is. We're just saying based on what we understand this project to be, we think that 00:59:05.201 --> 00:59:12.919 - this funding would be used in a good way towards the effort. Yeah. So the scope can change. We all like 00:59:12.919 --> 00:59:18.782 - them. They can decide. I mean, I'm coming around to the idea that their impact 00:59:19.234 --> 00:59:29.600 - is as much tied to their ask last year as it is to this ask, that they will technically be serving people 00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:40.162 - on this site. Thank you. I mean, from what Matt was saying about meeting the timeline of 18 months wouldn't 00:59:40.162 --> 00:59:48.670 - be such a big deal because on the same site, they already would have done the serving. 00:59:50.306 --> 00:59:58.883 - Christina's laptop died and she's on the verge of dying, so she's coming back. Or was it manna? Do we 00:59:58.883 --> 01:00:07.376 - need to pause? No. Christina, I'm sorry. Do we need to pause the meeting then, man? Or do we need to 01:00:07.376 --> 01:00:16.542 - make a report again? Yeah, sorry, I didn't realize. We have the power. Oh, now we have the power. The power. 01:00:19.458 --> 01:00:27.043 - I don't think it lets me start the recording. You should have a request now. Oh, nope, it did. Okay. 01:00:27.043 --> 01:00:34.552 - Okay, continue. We're good. So, is it all considered one site? This is my question. Because they're 01:00:34.552 --> 01:00:42.287 - building a new structure. Yeah, that's definitely not how it is. Is it flat out as two sites or as one 01:00:42.287 --> 01:00:44.990 - site? Thinking about it originally. 01:00:45.602 --> 01:00:55.244 - It will be all on one site. The new construction is an add-on to the building on the same location. 01:00:55.244 --> 01:01:05.368 - Okay. So it is one site. I know. I was thinking of this as truly an improvement. It's not a from scratch 01:01:05.368 --> 01:01:14.142 - activity. This request is an improvement upon the existing. But it is a separate building. 01:01:15.106 --> 01:01:22.761 - It's an addition that will be breaking ground, but it will be connected to the current building. Well, 01:01:22.761 --> 01:01:30.342 - I still like the $60,000 idea. I'm digging it. Because it is in their list as architectural. And that 01:01:30.342 --> 01:01:38.072 - list is going to be altered from how much they get from United Way or their fundraiser, all that stuff. 01:01:38.072 --> 01:01:41.342 - And I look at it too in terms of being old. 01:01:41.634 --> 01:01:49.232 - They're good at funding, but it also helps to show funders that, you know. And they got something. Yeah. 01:01:49.232 --> 01:01:56.614 - Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I meant when I said it's good for us to be involved. Because it 01:01:56.614 --> 01:02:03.850 - exponentially helps them with other grant applications when they can show local support. And that's 01:02:03.850 --> 01:02:10.942 - one of the things. This is really good for them. I'd be OK with funding $60,000 as a placeholder. 01:02:11.330 --> 01:02:21.280 - Jane, how do you pick a color for my placeholders? Thumbs up. This conversation helped me feel confident 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:30.851 - about it. Okay. We're on new hope for families. We should probably put something in as a placeholder 01:02:30.851 --> 01:02:40.990 - for VCR, right? We put 1391680. We should probably put that in. What was that number? One. Okay, go ahead. 01:02:41.186 --> 01:02:56.479 - Sorry, 139.16 and 80 cents. Okay. 139.016. No, 130. 130.916.80. Basically, it's Cory's entry. Yeah. 01:02:56.479 --> 01:03:05.502 - But I'm a rebel for now. Me too. Sorry, I missed that one. 01:03:05.986 --> 01:03:24.028 - Okay. You're never going to believe it. New Hope for Families. Where are we at? Our average recommendation 01:03:24.028 --> 01:03:35.326 - is $91,000. So $80,000 gives them the playground equipment and not 01:03:35.650 --> 01:03:47.754 - the cabinets. Right. I like cabinets. In fact, I was thinking cabinets would be more important than 01:03:47.754 --> 01:04:00.222 - playground equipment. I think there's more opportunities to get that funded in a different way. I have 01:04:00.770 --> 01:04:07.260 - Have they reached out to Walmart or somebody to sponsor our cats? They used to be a group from GE that 01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:13.812 - would do that stuff. But I agree with you. The outdoor classrooms, I was riding by there the other day, 01:04:13.812 --> 01:04:20.365 - I'm like, they look great. It'd be great to hang out there. But you can, even if they did, they shabby. 01:04:20.365 --> 01:04:27.422 - I volunteered, they're not that great. Well, good, bad, or indifferent, you can only use them part of the year. 01:04:28.578 --> 01:04:43.344 - Yeah. Programs, the cutoff is 25 degrees. So they go out. Like a philosophical thing. I mean, they, 01:04:43.344 --> 01:04:54.270 - they get out there. They are party children, not even winter. Yeah. Yeah. 01:04:54.690 --> 01:05:02.578 - One of the questions we have about shifting to funding the outdoor playground, wasn't it last year when 01:05:02.578 --> 01:05:10.845 - they came to us or two years ago, they spoke about, you know, there were different levels of early childcare 01:05:10.845 --> 01:05:14.334 - in Indiana and in order to, if you have like, 01:05:15.170 --> 01:05:22.601 - an outdoor, you know, it's not just play equipment, but it's all approved, you know, something that 01:05:22.601 --> 01:05:30.404 - enables you to niche to this level. And then that would be a little higher. Very few level one. So maybe 01:05:30.404 --> 01:05:38.207 - this is the reason, and I'm just talking to myself, to justify the fun, the playground equipment, rather 01:05:38.207 --> 01:05:45.118 - than the cabinets, because I agree. Well, you could maybe go to the Home Depot's foundation. 01:05:45.250 --> 01:05:52.738 - I mean, if we give them 80,000, they will decide what they want to spend it on. And she did say, depending 01:05:52.738 --> 01:06:00.016 - on what they got, they would adjust. They could just kill them. As needed, whether it was half and half 01:06:00.016 --> 01:06:06.454 - or whatever. Yeah, I thought that they had prioritized the player to have to commit them in 01:06:06.454 --> 01:06:13.522 - their application. So they might just. It's a level three currently. Yeah, they're probably striving 01:06:13.522 --> 01:06:14.782 - for a level four. 01:06:14.978 --> 01:06:22.474 - which they'll get probably if they do the outdoor thing and this other stuff. And I'm fine with it. 01:06:22.474 --> 01:06:30.120 - They were one where it was one of those situations I would have fully funded it except that obviously 01:06:30.120 --> 01:06:37.842 - I had to put all my full funds in the one basket. I'd like to give it my best effort to pitch you guys 01:06:37.842 --> 01:06:40.990 - on funding that bedroom cabinetry though. 01:06:41.826 --> 01:06:48.833 - I don't know that it's going to be very inspirational, but okay, so there are 12 bedrooms and the case 01:06:48.833 --> 01:06:55.976 - that they're making the problem statement is about how difficult it is to live in a home where you don't 01:06:55.976 --> 01:07:01.214 - have storage to keep your things off the floor and I can attest to this are. 01:07:01.474 --> 01:07:08.117 - Bathroom towel racks are all gone right now. We're redoing some stuff. And so our towels are all on 01:07:08.117 --> 01:07:14.959 - the floor and they're draped all over our bedroom and things get dirty. And I can just see this as one 01:07:14.959 --> 01:07:21.601 - of those frictions. The people who are in the shelter have already experienced a lot of friction in 01:07:21.601 --> 01:07:27.646 - their life. And this is supposed to be a respite for them as they prepare themselves to be 01:07:28.290 --> 01:07:34.998 - independent and moving out on their own. And so with all the challenges that they're trying to navigating, 01:07:34.998 --> 01:07:41.329 - people might be at school and also applying for jobs or dealing with lots of complications. And then 01:07:41.329 --> 01:07:47.724 - to have this just kind of insulting nuisance friction as part of their regular day. And it seems like 01:07:47.724 --> 01:07:54.494 - I would really like to prioritize addressing that. And then the cabinets themselves, they're saying they're 01:07:54.690 --> 01:08:01.766 - durable institutional cabinetry. So even though it's only 12 bedrooms right now, we can imagine that 01:08:01.766 --> 01:08:08.982 - that'll be impacting a lot of people over time as they turn over since they're intended to be a little 01:08:08.982 --> 01:08:16.478 - bit more temporary housing units. So that's my best case for the full 120. I mean, I agree. In my previous 01:08:16.478 --> 01:08:23.134 - role at Banneker, I put about $250,000 for the cabinets in that building. And let me tell you, 01:08:23.458 --> 01:08:34.407 - The difference was wild. But that one's very expensive, especially ones that are going to last decades. 01:08:34.407 --> 01:08:45.672 - There's lots and lots of use and lots and lots of use. My argument would be that two projects for $120,000 01:08:45.672 --> 01:08:52.094 - is maybe a little ambitious. Maybe a little what? Ambitious. 01:08:52.930 --> 01:09:02.257 - And if they really are going to do both projects right, they probably need closer to $120,000 for both 01:09:02.257 --> 01:09:11.856 - projects. So they wait for each? Yeah. So it's not like full kitchen cabinets. It is we intend to install 01:09:11.856 --> 01:09:21.726 - open base cabinets and two open wall-mounted cabinets. So it's just two downs and ups. And so that's 30,000. 01:09:21.826 --> 01:09:33.086 - 300 a bedroom, I guess, if it's 40,000 or the cabinets divided by 12 is 3,333. And I'm looking at you 01:09:33.086 --> 01:09:44.235 - because I've never installed that. Well, one way to look at it is that if we fully fund New Hope, we 01:09:44.235 --> 01:09:51.742 - only have 115,681 left for Summit Hill. Yeah, and this is when I... 01:09:52.098 --> 01:09:59.507 - flooding and sewage to me is like more pressing than, and I love, I actually, I don't care. Like from 01:09:59.507 --> 01:10:06.771 - my perspective with New Hope, I think both of their projects are like equally important to me. It's 01:10:06.771 --> 01:10:14.615 - like whether they do cabinets or they do a playground equipment. I think both of those are really important 01:10:14.615 --> 01:10:20.862 - projects, but in my pursuit to try to tend to the summit hill thing, I had to reduce. 01:10:21.186 --> 01:10:32.848 - Yeah, those other areas. So, okay. Thanks for listening everyone to my television show. And then if 01:10:32.848 --> 01:10:44.510 - it goes back to 80 or new hope, then that leaves by my math, 155, 680, 120 for Summit Hill, which I 01:10:44.510 --> 01:10:49.758 - guess Mitch does. You didn't apply anything. 01:10:50.274 --> 01:11:04.929 - Yeah. This is just gossip now. Which I think is okay. They can come back in a future year. And the cabinets 01:11:04.929 --> 01:11:18.633 - and stuff, that's made a good point that there's other opportunities. Really cool, I guess. Sorry, I 01:11:18.633 --> 01:11:20.126 - meant 155. 01:11:20.610 --> 01:11:27.753 - pay would, in my view, would be enough for Summit Hill. Yeah, I'd be done with that too. Yeah. And we 01:11:27.753 --> 01:11:34.825 - did see in those motions, like down below, that if there's funding that is exceeding this amount, we 01:11:34.825 --> 01:11:41.968 - can put priority on, you know. I want to say the last three years, our motion has been, add any extra 01:11:41.968 --> 01:11:46.590 - money to VHA. It does feel like this. Has there been extra money? 01:11:47.394 --> 01:12:00.474 - I think there's been a windfall or anything. Given that I have to recuse myself from voting, is it possible 01:12:00.474 --> 01:12:12.705 - to do a motion without BHA, some until, and then that gets down so I can. Yeah. We can make a motion 01:12:12.705 --> 01:12:16.702 - about all of the other projects. 01:12:17.186 --> 01:12:29.429 - And then we can make a separate motion about BHA. And then we would make the additional motions on the 01:12:29.429 --> 01:12:41.314 - additional or less than funding, which would also probably be irrecusable. All right. So with that, 01:12:41.314 --> 01:12:45.950 - is there any further discussion before 01:12:46.946 --> 01:12:58.577 - We entertain emotion. See how it gets you, you have to know. Okay, so I'm sure you know further 01:12:58.577 --> 01:13:10.935 - in discussion, I will entertain emotion. Oh, well, we don't. Okay. I think we need to put, what do we 01:13:10.935 --> 01:13:15.902 - have for new hope? 80,000. For new hope. 01:13:16.290 --> 01:13:33.915 - which brings HH 155, 6, 8, 1, 20. What was that? I'm sorry. Yeah, the 26. 155, 681, 20. Hey, 01:13:33.915 --> 01:13:45.854 - look at that, the right number. I can make a motion to approve 01:13:46.658 --> 01:13:58.903 - Um, the figures as shown on the screen for lines four, five, six, seven, and eight. There's a motion 01:13:58.903 --> 01:14:11.027 - by the bell. Second. Second. Second by Corey discussion. There is no discussion. All those in favor 01:14:11.027 --> 01:14:15.998 - say aye. Aye. All those against say nay. 01:14:16.994 --> 01:14:27.369 - Motion passes. There is another motion then, I'll entertain another motion for Summit Hill. Oh yeah, 01:14:27.369 --> 01:14:37.949 - go ahead. I move we approve an allocation of $155,681 and 20 cents for BHA slash Summit Hill Community 01:14:37.949 --> 01:14:46.270 - Development. Second floor. As well, seconded by Michael. Any further discussion? 01:14:47.330 --> 01:15:01.297 - We're going to offer discussion, take an entertainer aye for this vote. Aye. All those against say nay. 01:15:01.297 --> 01:15:16.606 - Motion carries. All in motion is needed to exceed. I move that if CDBG funding for physical improvements exceeds, 01:15:17.186 --> 01:15:34.484 - $505,890.45. The additional funding will be used to fully to fund BHA. Technically, I think it's 502706. 01:15:34.484 --> 01:15:43.710 - I was going to say this is from last year. Yeah. Sorry. 01:15:47.490 --> 01:16:01.175 - I'm now remembering that we should designate an addition if for some reason there is enough money to 01:16:01.175 --> 01:16:16.350 - fully fund BHA, we should designate somewhere else for that money to go. I recommend that money go to New Hope. 01:16:19.778 --> 01:16:35.445 - And then we can do my sister's closet or ACL, which neither were fully funded. I like that order. So 01:16:35.445 --> 01:16:49.406 - you said Summit Hill, New Hope, and then what? Summit Hill, New Hope. My sister's closet. 01:16:50.402 --> 01:17:01.980 - And BCL. Yeah. In that order. There's the motion on the floor, right? I can't cancel that because I 01:17:01.980 --> 01:17:08.926 - got the number wrong. Yeah, we have to start over. Okay. If 01:17:09.602 --> 01:17:22.822 - CDBG for physical improvements exceeds $502,706. The additional funding will be used to fully fund Summit 01:17:22.822 --> 01:17:36.166 - Hill slash BHA and then New Hope for Families and then My Sister's Closet and then Bloomington Cooperative 01:17:36.166 --> 01:17:38.910 - Living in that order. 01:17:43.618 --> 01:17:50.985 - I second that. And that point of clarification, you mean fully fund them, right? Yep. Correct. So if 01:17:50.985 --> 01:17:58.353 - we can make up the difference between blah, blah, blah and quarter of a million, only then do we get 01:17:58.353 --> 01:18:05.720 - money. Correct. OK. Yep. OK. I agree. I agree. I second that. Yes, I second that. Yeah. So all those 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:13.598 - in favor, say aye. Aye. All those against, say nay. I should note I abstain from both previous two motions. 01:18:14.818 --> 01:18:27.495 - So there will be one in case the 502706 gets reduced, what should be taken. Well, is it or is it just 01:18:27.495 --> 01:18:40.918 - the reverse? Well, the problem is, is that the, if it's, the problem is, is it's like, it could potentially 01:18:40.918 --> 01:18:42.782 - be everything. 01:18:43.458 --> 01:18:51.991 - So when you reduce, you could reduce the entire amount that's being granted to an organization. So if 01:18:51.991 --> 01:19:00.440 - there's one on here that we think should be up for the potentially full reduction, that would be the 01:19:00.440 --> 01:19:08.972 - first one. But if we want to minimize the reduction, then we have to spell it out like the way it was 01:19:08.972 --> 01:19:13.406 - in this previous example. It started with the first, 01:19:14.402 --> 01:19:25.751 - 12,000 and then went to potentially could have been full production. I mean, I would propose we fold 01:19:25.751 --> 01:19:38.112 - it when it be a CL and then that way then any remaining monies record those cascading with some intelligence. 01:19:38.112 --> 01:19:42.494 - Well, so, okay, so if say we only have 01:19:42.850 --> 01:19:50.585 - 500,000 even, and there's 2,700 that needs to come from somewhere, it would come from BCL. They wouldn't 01:19:50.585 --> 01:19:58.026 - lose their 130. They would just lose the whatever, 2,000, 10,000, whatever. So we wouldn't take away 01:19:58.026 --> 01:20:05.614 - the whole 130 and then give it to someone else. May I ask a question? And this is maybe more of a math 01:20:05.614 --> 01:20:09.150 - question, but does this happen? And if it does, 01:20:09.282 --> 01:20:19.200 - Is it like two or $3,000 or is it $100,000? There's no good answer for that. Yes, it does happen. We 01:20:19.200 --> 01:20:29.118 - never get the exact same amount. Usually, it stays within the realm of what you get the year before. 01:20:29.118 --> 01:20:39.134 - I think last year's allocation was only $3,000 less than the previous year for physical improvements. 01:20:39.554 --> 01:20:50.119 - It's usually very close. I don't see an increase coming. If we do, it'd be very minimal. But I also 01:20:50.119 --> 01:21:01.001 - don't see a large decrease. So I mean, again, we could lose maybe a few thousand dollars. And that can 01:21:01.001 --> 01:21:05.438 - be due to reduced federal funding or more 01:21:05.634 --> 01:21:15.073 - participating jurisdictions or other ones that maybe they've performed well, so they granted more money 01:21:15.073 --> 01:21:24.240 - versus other people. There's a lot of things to the metric, but usually it's not a large difference. 01:21:24.240 --> 01:21:32.318 - Go ahead, Ask. Well, thanks for that. I would propose doing it completely different way. 01:21:32.450 --> 01:21:39.905 - elected to fund these amounts because we think these are valid projects. We have allocated this money 01:21:39.905 --> 01:21:47.506 - pretty deliberately. So what I would do is if it's a $2,700 reduction, like using that math, that would 01:21:47.506 --> 01:21:55.107 - be a 0.537 percentage reduction. So I would reduce everyone accordingly. And it isn't that complicated. 01:21:55.107 --> 01:22:02.270 - Yeah, and we could definitely do that. My other thinking, and I'll take a second to advocate for, 01:22:03.170 --> 01:22:12.563 - BCL. I think there are certain projects where you could reduce and not experience a major shift. My 01:22:12.563 --> 01:22:22.238 - sister's closet comes to mind, mostly because we sort of somewhat arbitrarily have assigned the amount 01:22:22.238 --> 01:22:28.062 - based on our best estimate of what they could do, whereas BCL 01:22:28.738 --> 01:22:37.129 - that calculation is based on like truly achieving that first. Okay. Yes. And so it'd be good to keep 01:22:37.129 --> 01:22:45.769 - that intact. And if my sister's closet was a figure that was more like, we're hoping they might be able 01:22:45.769 --> 01:22:53.662 - to do this and this with it, but it's not really tied to a phase. I, in my opinion, I'd rather 01:22:53.858 --> 01:23:00.737 - reduce from there just simply because of the fact that I think they can still do good work with it. 01:23:00.737 --> 01:23:07.685 - And I would worry that reduction, which hopefully would be minimal, but I would worry that reduction 01:23:07.685 --> 01:23:11.262 - based on a phase calculation could upend something. 01:23:11.522 --> 01:23:18.504 - This is so fascinating. We have the project impact-based reduction, we have the project risk-based reduction, 01:23:18.504 --> 01:23:25.486 - and then we have the- And then we have the FAIR. Yes. The FAIR. The FAIR. The FAIR. That is FAIR. Percentage. 01:23:25.486 --> 01:23:31.960 - Yeah. And it is hard because you would think you could just reverse the two. I mean, it seems like it 01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:38.878 - would be easy enough to just go based on our ranking. And we have three numbers that are somewhat arbitrary. 01:23:39.042 --> 01:23:48.751 - We have my sister's closet, we have BHA, and we have New Hoover families that are sort of rough, 01:23:48.751 --> 01:23:59.061 - you know, if we're doing that math. I don't know, Michael, did you do this percentage allocation? What 01:23:59.061 --> 01:24:04.766 - percentage they got of their request? Do that, would do. 01:24:06.274 --> 01:24:13.147 - Again, we might just be talking about a couple thousand dollars. Yes, we maybe don't need to belabor 01:24:13.147 --> 01:24:20.021 - it, but I think the project risk is pretty important. I agree. Last year was only $5,000 difference. 01:24:20.021 --> 01:24:27.098 - So yeah, the year before and then two years before that was just three. So I'm gonna, can I take a stab 01:24:27.098 --> 01:24:31.998 - at one based on a project risk method? So if CDBG, if CD, okay, I move. 01:24:32.674 --> 01:24:40.810 - I'm going to make a motion that if CDBG funding for physical improvements is less than $502,706, funding 01:24:40.810 --> 01:24:48.946 - shall be reduced as follows. Oh, we said actual amounts. Well, at that time we did, and there's probably 01:24:48.946 --> 01:24:56.927 - a really specific reason why we did that. That doesn't have to be followed. It can be done however you 01:24:56.927 --> 01:24:58.942 - want. You do what you do. 01:25:00.034 --> 01:25:10.337 - The balance of the reduction in the overall budget shall be, what would I say? Taken from the allocation 01:25:10.337 --> 01:25:20.248 - for my sister's closet first. And if it's greater than the $60,000 allocated for my sister's closet, 01:25:20.248 --> 01:25:29.374 - it would then, what do we do next? Sorry, I messed up my line. DHA or new home for families. 01:25:32.322 --> 01:25:50.427 - I mean, yeah. I would go to BHA. You'd go to what? BHA. Yeah. I agree. And I think that in the same 01:25:50.427 --> 01:26:02.014 - way that we put them first to receive, to have that potentially 01:26:02.146 --> 01:26:09.758 - be a reduction too, I think. So you think we would wipe my sister? I don't think so. 01:26:09.890 --> 01:26:16.560 - And then, no, I don't think it will either. But then it would go my sister's closet. Do we want to set 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:23.229 - a limit at my sister's closet? That's when I paused. I was like, if it exceeds $20,000. That's why you 01:26:23.229 --> 01:26:29.770 - see that $12,000 there, because we probably decided we didn't want to go less than, probably because 01:26:29.770 --> 01:26:37.022 - of a project viability issue. We were like, if we go under that $12,000, it'll be too much. I got this. I move. 01:26:37.250 --> 01:26:47.487 - that if CBBG funding for physical improvements is less than $502,706, funding shall be reduced as follows. 01:26:47.487 --> 01:26:57.532 - The first $20,000 will be taken from my sister's closet and anything exceeding that amount will be taken 01:26:57.532 --> 01:27:06.334 - from Summit Hill Community Development. Second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. 01:27:06.530 --> 01:27:16.730 - Aye. All those against nay, and I abstain. All right. Is there any other business before us I would 01:27:16.730 --> 01:27:27.032 - yield to Matt? That will wrap it up. If you give me a second to put your wording on the spreadsheet, 01:27:27.032 --> 01:27:35.294 - you guys can read through everything. Once again, make sure that I have what you 01:27:36.258 --> 01:27:46.016 - want on there. And if you guys have nothing further to discuss, then you guys can dismiss. But let me 01:27:46.016 --> 01:27:55.583 - get everything down on paper so that you guys can see it and make sure it's what you want. And then 01:27:55.583 --> 01:28:05.246 - we don't have to get any other approvals afterwards. So one moment, please. Talk amongst yourselves. 01:28:05.922 --> 01:28:15.174 - Yeah, so we used to not be clauses, but then we didn't have to get email and never have to email back 01:28:15.174 --> 01:28:23.701 - and confirm. And then when the allocation came through, then we would have to email it again. 01:28:23.701 --> 01:28:32.318 - I don't know. It was a mess. It was kind of a nice thing. And we'll just get it all done with. 01:28:32.962 --> 01:28:40.615 - Especially while it's fresh in your mind. It feels like a lot, but it's a lot better than an email thread 01:28:40.615 --> 01:28:48.052 - thing that happens six months later, and you're like, I don't remember why we decided. Who's this Matt 01:28:48.052 --> 01:28:55.416 - guy? Matt, I just chatted that to you if you want to copy it. It's done. If you're talking to me, I'm 01:28:55.416 --> 01:29:00.542 - not listening. Sorry. I just chatted you that language if you want to. 01:29:00.738 --> 01:29:13.484 - Okay, let me look at that. That'll be a lot easier. Now you see what I work with every day. 01:29:13.484 --> 01:29:28.030 - This is honest. Just Isabelle to say that BCL has until November for re-inscription. They're in process. 01:29:28.130 --> 01:29:54.302 - I was trying to remember if I was in the room or not. We did it. We're very cold and ruthless. 01:29:56.194 --> 01:30:21.854 - Okay, guys, if you can please read through that and make sure that that is top to bottom what you guys want. 01:30:24.930 --> 01:30:33.520 - You have funding shall be reduced as follows in there twice. Well, I really want to make sure you guys 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:42.277 - get that part. Other than that, it looks good. Yeah, that looks right. And the other one, but with that, 01:30:42.277 --> 01:30:49.950 - I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second? Second. All right, motion to adjourn.