All right. Good evening everybody So I'll call to order this meeting of the Bloomington Commission on sustainability and resilience at 5 30 p.m. And we'll start with the roll call Tara Dunderdale here Justin Vassel. I'm here Rebecca pain here Christopher miles Here Zach Omerman here Dave Rallo Here Quentin Gilly Alex York here Maria Arstad Sheng hua shu Not here Diana ogre dusky here and Ross Carlson And not here and do we have any commissioners in the zoom Okay, okay Well, we have a quorum. So we'll go ahead and get started and Good evening. Good evening everybody. Welcome. Thanks for being here with us for this special meeting of our commission So we're going to do things a little bit differently than we do most of the time tonight We're going to be hearing from a team of students at the IU O'Neill school they spent this past semester working with our Commission as a client on a capstone research project and their charge was to assess the feasibility of a sustainable energy utility here in Bloomington Tonight's presentation is something we've been looking forward to all semester But just a quick word on why this project matters to us as a commission So our commission exists to promote and advance sustainable policies and practices across environmental social and economic dimensions Energy touches on every one of those dimensions Electricity generation in particular is one of the biggest factors in whether the city can meet the goals laid out in our climate action plan So it's not an abstract question for us The students analysis will be foundational for the recommendations that we will then hopefully go on to develop for city leaders here in Bloomington. So just a quick note on format. We have an hour for the presentation and some Q&A hopefully. So we'll need to adjourn by 630. The findings for commissioners here the findings will come back with us and it'll be on a future agenda. So we'll have an opportunity to discuss this in more detail amongst ourselves at a future meeting. So tonight's really going to be focused around questions and answers for the students. So with that I'll hand it over to Commissioner Alex York who served as our point of contact on this project For a few remarks and to introduce our guests Thank You Justin Um, yeah, this is something that I have been very curious about the results on I first thought of it listening to the volts podcast which for any energy nerds out there who don't listen to this I recommend but I heard the podcast I think last year in August and then talking to people, I was given the idea, it's like, what if SPIA could do a capstone on this? And I immediately reached out to a number of professors that I had during my days at SPIA, at O'Neill School, SPIA for me forever. And a special thank you to two of them here, Professor Nikos and John. Nikos, I know this was your first capstone, so thank you for trying that out to experience this. A lot of professors don't like doing that. And John, for coming out of retirement, I think that without your engagement and participation, this wouldn't have happened. I know that we have a time limit, and I'm excited to get going. But a quick extra thank you also to Justin, who helped me with some of the early ideas on this and believing in me and telling me that it was a good idea to try it. And thank you to Jolie, one of our staff liaisons, for helping with some of the logistics that points through the project. And big thank you to the students for the hard work. And now, on to them. All right. Thank you for that introduction. So yeah, like you said, we're a graduate capstone class. My name is Bronwyn Meldrum. I'm the project manager, and I'm joined presenting today by Suso Badrai, Evie Sellers, and Miles Powell. And we were tasked in January with analyzing the feasibility of that sustainable energy utility, which is a community owned model of providing electricity found on energy generation and conservation and the use of renewables. So we've provided a copy of that full report to you. And also we have provided digital copies as well. And there's an accompanying appendix that has valuable information tools and methodology to supplement the report. And each of you also has a copy of the executive summary, which is a shortened version of the report that has the most vital information but is lacking some of the details. So definitely still worth looking through that report. But the presentation will follow the format of the executive summary, so you can follow along if you'd like. So we were asked to examine the feasibility of implementing a sustainable energy utility. Here it is. All righty. Perfect. OK. in Bloomington inspired by the one being piloted in Ann Arbor and similar initiatives in D.C. and Delaware. So early in our research we determined that That sort of framework is not going to be feasible in Bloomington due to the regulatory frameworks in Indiana So without permission from Duke Energy, we couldn't do that sort of Ann Arbor style But that led us to questions two and three which focus on what else could we do instead to still meet climate action goals? So alternative sets of actions called scenarios were developed and analyzed that could still allow Bloomington to move towards those carbon emissions goals and these scenarios range from low complexity and low additional Investment to more complex and requiring increased capacity and collaboration To see how these scenarios compare we selected the criteria of the five pillars of electric utility service Which are outlined by the Indiana utility regulatory commission. These are reliability affordability resiliency stability and environmental sustainability and we'll explain those in more detail later and The project began with extensive background research, which Miles will be giving a brief overview of, and then moved into three key analyses, evaluating the scenario pillar alignment, risk, and stakeholder impact analysis. So each will be discussed in turn and then integrated to evaluate overall scenario outcomes. And we'll have time for questions at the end, like Alex mentioned. So I'm going to turn the time over to Miles. We'll begin first with a little bit of background and first specifically with the city of Bloomington itself the climate action plan the city has has specific targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions Getting the citywide emissions below 2018 levels by 2030 and reducing achieving carbon neutrality by 2050 and this was kind of the impetus for this project the energy and built environment sector accounts for the largest amount of citywide emissions and Because of that the city has a variety of existing programs to attempt to address that BG hip seal Bloomington energy works and the sustainable neighborhood grants program But progress has been fairly limited on that front because energy is provided and generated by Duke energy Electricity is provided by Duke energy The city has very little control over what and how Duke chooses to produce that energy and in fact Duke's most recent Integrated resource plan actually shows that they are not Intending to switch to renewable energy fast enough for the city to meet its sustainability goals So that leads us to a sustainable energy utility the idea is to provide a hundred percent renewable energy to the customers and No more coal and natural gas all solar panels wind geothermal well possible There are examples as we mentioned in Ann Arbor, Michigan Washington DC and the state of Delaware and Ann Arbor is kind of our primary point of comparison as it's a similar Flag city with the flagship University of the state The idea would be to create a municipally owned and operated electricity utility and this the sustainable energy and the municipally owned aspect of it is Provide different incentives than the traditional investor-owned utilities like Duke IOUs are more concerned about profit and Certainly their public image in the regulatory structure But their primary goal is to produce profits for shareholders a sustainable energy utility certainly has to deal with a public image in the regulatory landscape, but Is not going to be concerned about profits. They're gonna be concerned about producing renewable energy exclusively This leads us to the five pillars Previously mentioned these are codified into Indiana code utilities are regulated at the state level and It's a very big deal nationally that Indiana has these And they provide guidance to the Indiana utility regulatory commission for the decisions in approving or denying certain utility Aspects so first is reliability, which is the ability to meet user demand at all times affordability is the ability to minimize the cost to the consumer and reduce energy burden. Energy burden is the percent of household monthly income that is spent on energy. And above 6% is considered a high energy burden being energy insecure. Resiliency is the ability to adapt to varying conditions and recover quickly in the case of an outage. Stability is the ability to maintain standard voltage flows, AKA avoid an outage to begin with. And environmental sustainability, which Certainly is going to be the most important one for a sustainable energy utility is both about the impacts of regulation on the cost For end users as well as meeting the demand for sustainable energy among customers So as we mentioned we can't exactly do and are in our burst style sustainable energy utility in Bloomington there are certainly financial and technical challenges, but the primary limiting factor is the utility code in Indiana. Indiana utility code gives a single entity the sole right to furnish retail electric service in its territory, which is fairly limiting. In Ann Arbor, the Michigan code allows them to compete with the IOU. They created their sustainable energy utility in parallel to the existing structure, and so customers can choose to sign up for the municipal energy Knowing that it is green energy While also still having their previous utility provider There are however other options that we found in the legal research There was a section of code that allows explicitly for the creation of a municipal electric utility but it does require that the municipality buy out all of the infrastructure of the incumbent IOU and Which we determined was prohibitively expensive for the city to actually implement Instead there were two other sections that we did pursue more One that allows behind the meter generation meaning you can generate energy for yourself this includes a municipal entity generating energy and sharing it across multiple buildings for municipal purposes and a statute that allows for alternative regulatory plans this one has a lot of potential essentially a utility company can approach the IURC with a alternative plan to what is currently in place and as long as that plan actually Improves some aspect of the five pillars. It generally gets approved There's not usually a lot of pushback from the IURC as long as it meets one of those pillars This means that the city would be able to do just about anything they could get Duke to agree with this does involve though negotiations with the party that has different interests than the city and And those last two in particular inform a lot of our scenarios. All right, hi everybody. So because we determined that the establishment of an SEU is unfortunately not feasible in the current legal and regulatory landscape, we developed and analyzed four alternative scenarios through which the city could make progress towards their climate action plan goals and support the ongoing deployment of renewable energy for both its own municipal operations as well as the benefit of the larger Bloomington community. So these four scenarios, which I will go into in more detail in just a moment, are business as usual, enhanced programming, a municipal microgrid, and community solar. Hello, there we go. All right, so scenario one, business as usual, is business as usual. It assumes the continuation of current programs such as BGHIP and SEAL at a consistent rate, and it serves as the baseline and comparison standard for the other scenarios and our analysis of their impact. Scenario 2 would involve expanding current city programming, but would not create dramatic change to the way the energy is generated and delivered in Bloomington. Under the scenario, we analyzed the potential impact of 50%, 100%, and 200% increase in projects funded under existing programs, such as SEAL and BGHIP. We also considered some new program and policy offerings, such as a peak demand response model. scenario 3 our municipal microgrid is established under that idea that miles spoke to that state law allows municipalities with the approval of the legislative body to furnish power to the municipality for municipal purposes so long as it doesn't disrupt sales relating to an existing contract and With this scenario using ArcGIS, our team identified 10 viable municipal microgrid nodes, which can be seen in the map on this slide, by applying a 1,000 foot campus scale buffer radius around existing facilities and solar sites. This specific 1,000 foot distance was chosen as a strict technical limit to prevent severe voltage drop issues across the distribution lines while ensuring that multiple buildings could efficiently share power. And finally, our scenario four is the community solar model modeled after the pending Doug Otto United Way project in Columbus, Indiana. This scenario involves the city of Bloomington financing building and managing a community solar grid with cooperation from Duke Energy. The electricity produced from this array would be split 50-50 with Duke. So 50% would be sold to the grid, after which the proceeds would be deposited into a municipally owned escrow account and be redistributed to local consumers as bill credits. The other 50 percent would be retained for municipal use. This scenario would target low and moderate income households who face disproportionate energy burden for energy credits and is broken into community solar array sizes of one one point two and two megawatts for the purpose of our analysis and comparison. Hello, everyone. So, before I jump into the result, I want to highlight how we build this analysis. So, to start with, our analysis is morally inclined with both quantitative and qualitative measurements. So, we started with using the capacity and determining the capacity factors through the Android app tools for of Bloomington in terms of solar energy. And then for the three of the five pillars, reliability, stability, and resilience pillars, we developed an Excel-based model called B-SIT, which stands for Bloomington Energy Impact Scenario Assessment. So it generally evaluates the peak load reductions, outage survival, and hour-to-hour grid stability. So in terms of affordability pillars, we try to look upon the energy burden, particularly for the low income household and the low to moderate income household, and calculate the levelized cost of electricity. look for the net present value for each of the proposed scenarios. Similarly, for the environmental sustainability pillars, we used several of the tools like EPA Cobra, EPA eGrid in order to evaluate the emission factors for the city of Bloomington. So in terms of the data where the numbers could not present so well, we did the qualitative analysis, like to get the data, like to get the information on historical language impacts and ecological system. So to continue with, firstly, I would like to briefly explain how our analysis table works on by using one of the examples. Those So this is for the Scenarios 3. So on this, across the columns, it represents a scaling pathway scenarios on the basis of different scale and system size. Similarly, the each roads correspond to the five pillars, Indiana's pillars, reliability, affordability, resilience, stability, and environmental resilience. I will start, I'm gonna start, I'll briefly go through the every of the scenarios. So some of the scenarios signs in some certain aspects and sort falls out in some. certain way. So to start with our baseline scenarios. So this is basically, it assumes the Bloomington continues its current programs at the current pace with the rollover out over the projected times. So at the initial conditions, the performance is certainly limited across the pillars. So in overall, these scenarios has the lowest risk and also the lowest impact. So moving on, on the second scenario we have enhanced programming where we scale the existing program like busy heaps sales by 50, 100 and 200 percentage. So to start with in terms of reliability, In terms of reliability, peak load reduction is quite reduced around 100 kilowatts, which is relatively small to the system demands. Similarly, in terms of resilience, it do have an outer survival time of around 36 hours, but they are mostly disintegrated to the individual household, so it doesn't contributes for the community resilience. So we recorded as a low impact over here. So talking about the stability too, since it's like disconnected from the grid itself, so it doesn't have impacts on the stability and also with the increments of the programs, there is a certainly gap between the solar generation and grid resilience. So for affordability, these programs continue to provide a strong benefit for the participants, reducing the energy burden from the range of 14% to 32% of that group to 0% to 8%. But even at the full expansion, the program only reaches to 30 households per year, so it is very small compared to the total eligible population on that group. So basically, in terms of environmental sustainability, the carbon emission rate is quite minimal, which doesn't impact mostly with the city's climate action goal. And it's the same case for the monetary health impacts through the COBRA analysis. Going down to the another scenario, Scenarios 3, the municipal microgrid. So these scenarios increases the municipal solar capacity and connect the facilities through a shared micro system with the battery storage and power setting for the municipal facilities during the time of a peak hour demand to supply the energy during a peak hour demand. So here we can see a good number of progress in terms of reliability like the peak load is reduced almost like a 40% when we have a coverage of 200% of current to the baseline scenarios and also In terms of resilience, it increases from like 0.3 hours, which is the current baseline, to nearly 30 hours at the highest capacity. That shows that the system ability for sustaining during the critical loads and powering up during the backup period. However, in terms of stability, it shows the different pattern. Like I said before, it initially improved the stability with the hourly variability, but then worsened at the highest capacity because the volatile load behavior from the solar synchronized battery discharge and the sharp transitions between the solar generations and the grid resilience. So like for this municipal microgrid, it's kind of a high upfront investment. But when we try to assist through the affordability models, we could find a good result over there. of affordability, like the scenarios requires around 4.5 million for a baseline, up to 26.9 million in terms of a high capacity. But when we try to assess it with the annual savings, it could generate up to 1.5 million per year and then achieve a net positive present value by the 50% coverage only. So over here, too, at the highest capacity, do show some of the good reduction in carbon emissions, like it would contribute around 10 percent of the city's, reduce the 10 percent of the city's goal targets on emissions. And same with the monetary value. It can save around 55,000 in annual monetary health service, saving through the analysis we did through the COBRA analysis. So the fourth, so in overall, it has the highest performance, but it too comes with the higher initial cost. So we find this solution as one of the optimal solutions in terms of three of the other scenarios. Finally, the scenario four. Scenario four is the community solar. So it focuses on improving the affordability and access rather than the system control itself. So in this scenario, the solar energy is generated and exported directly to the grid. So the local reliability, resilience, and stability are not significantly affected. However, this scenario shows strong benefits in terms of affordability, like we can see at 2 megawatt scale, it reduces the energy burden for the low-income household from about 21 percent to 6 percent, while it also, like, we try to assist it with a household of around 350 households, where we can find that it can generate $1,000 annual bill credits. It's at 2,000 kilowatts of monthly energy consumption. So environmentally, this scenario has a minimal impact since it does come with land use impact. So the environmental impact emission is quite not significant in this scenario. So in overall, this scenario is mostly beneficial for low income household, but need the coordinated approach with the utility company for the grid synchronization. Thank you. technical difficulties. Yes, thank you. Yes. All right, so now that we're back. So we undertook a risk analysis and a stakeholder analysis in addition to Identify other potential areas of impact for each scenario So the risk analysis was undertaken to identify the main barriers that could limit the feasibility of each scenario The risks were identified by the capstone team based on the information We gathered during our background phase and then were analyzed by the scenario leads and our risk analysis lead Let's see All right So this summary figure models the risk analysis results, which perhaps unsurprisingly suggests that the more ambitious the scenario, the riskier it is, technically, financially, legally, and environmentally. To understand this figure and break it down a bit, the top right red zone in each quadrant indicates the highest risk, and the bottom left blue zone in each indicates the lowest risk in terms of their combined magnitude of impact and likelihood of occurrence, which are the two axes for each figure. The black dots are labeled with each of the identified risks for each scenario, the codes for which are defined both in the full report and in the appendix. As an example of what these risks entail, RF4 represents local budget constraints, which is a very important risk for every scenario, which is why it applies to all of them. As we can see in this figure, some risks apply across multiple scenarios, and it's important to consider that compounded impact. Based on this analysis alone, the business as usual scenario is unsurprisingly the safest. It's very low risk to keep doing what you're already doing. But we note that it offers limited progress to Bloomington's goals. So the enhanced programming scenario is the most balanced in terms of the potential risks compared to the potential benefits it provides. All right, we also conducted a stakeholder analysis since many relevant stakeholders exist across the public, private, and nonprofit sectors who could serve as allies or obstacles within our identified scenario options. So this is quite a figure, and I promise I will break it down. So the stakeholder key shows the full list of stakeholders compiled by our stakeholder analysis team, and it was basically everyone we could think of who might have a vested interest in this. All of these stakeholders were analyzed individually to determine their levels of interest and influence in each scenario, which are the two axes on each quadrant in the figure. These analyses are accompanied by written descriptions in the full report that provide the evidence and reasoning behind the positions and levels that we assign to each stakeholder. That analysis was then mapped on this pretty figure to determine the key stakeholders, those with the highest influence and highest interest, whether that be in support or opposition. So to go one by one, the key stakeholders in the business as usual scenario in that beautiful blue number one up there are the city of Bloomington and Electrify Indiana. The city supports its own current programs and policies and it is city bodies both legislative and administrative that formulate and implement them. So it's no surprise that they ended up pretty high up on this list. Electrify Indiana was isolated with stronger influence and interest than its fellow nonprofits due to its current status as a partner of the city's Department of Economic and Sustainable Development through their partnership in the Bloomington Energy Works program. To move on to the enhanced programming scenario, which is our lovely green over there, are again the Citi Electrify Indiana and SIREN. Stakeholders who may be of greater importance, depending on the specifics of this programming, include Centerpoint Energy and the Indiana Energy Association or the IEA. The Citi and Electrify Indiana largely hold the same positions and reasoning as they do in business as usual. to break down a little bit more why Centerpoint and the IEA were isolated in this scenario. They may stand in opposition to the enhanced programming depending on the specific programming that is pursued. So Centerpoint provides natural gas, which is used for HVAC heating and cooling and not electricity. However, if adoption of heat pump HVAC technology is further incentivized in enhanced programming, They may stand in opposition due to the potential threat posed to their services. To continue moving down this path, the key stakeholders in the municipal microgrid scenario, our red one down in the bottom left to me, I think left to everyone, I digress, are the city, Duke Energy, the IEA, and the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission, or the IURC, who I will be referring to by the acronym so I don't mess it up again. Bloomington's municipal government, who is strongly in support of energy and climate action, as you can see in what we're already doing, woohoo, would have the single largest influence over this project, given that it involves the connection of municipal buildings. Duke could try and challenge this project either legally or through lobbying with the General Assembly, and as the legally recognized sole provider of electricity service in Bloomington, they would have a right to do so. The IEA as a trade association of which Duke is a part would be expected to support Duke's positions and the IURC would be involved in any potential legal challenges, though they are mandated to be a neutral party in their application of state law. All right, I promise you're almost done hearing my voice. Finally, the key stakeholders in the community solar scenario, our final pink, are Duke, the city of Bloomington, and the IURC. Duke and the city are the stakeholders of the utmost importance for the scenario, as they are the two parties who would need to negotiate an agreement under which Duke would allow construction of community solar under the aforementioned negotiated management and financial plan. This plan would then need to be presented before the IURC, who hold the final say on whether to approve or deny the project. There we go. So bringing it all together there are complexities and limitations inherent in all of the analyses. So they are further discussed in the report and they should be taken into account when interpreting the results and when making decisions. But the business as usual served primarily as a baseline for comparison and as we discussed performs fairly poorly across the pillars. It has the lowest risk but also the lowest reward and is not aggressive enough to make meaningful progress towards Bloomington's sustainable sustainability and city climate action goals. That being said these programs have positive impacts. So we're focusing on an expansion and certainly not on removing any beneficial programs. So analysis suggested the enhanced programming pathway would yield some greenhouse gas emissions emissions reductions But only modest improvements in electric service focusing only on expanding existing programs has drawbacks because Funding is uncertain and this approach does not provide benefits from aggregated renewable generation or storage only increasing separated solar generation or electrics and electricity Sorry efficiency Programming so as such enhanced programming would serve best as a complement to other initiatives while the city should also consider Ways to expand resident and business facing programs to new areas like peak demand response For the municipal microgrid scenario at the highest capacity it results in substantial progress towards city climate goals in renewable energy expansion and emissions reduction and It requires a large initial investment. But if implemented incrementally, this cost can be spread out over time while still obtaining benefits until economies of scale improve return on investment. Unfortunately, since this scenario focuses only on city owned buildings, it falls short of distributing the benefits directly to Bloomington residents. While future financial savings could potentially be redistributed throughout the local economy using programming expansions, it is crucial to recognize the inherent trade offs in this scenario. For number four community solar it has a greater direct impact on house income low-income households But it does have a significant obstacle for this scenario to be an option Duke must agree to be a partner While this is a challenge the precedent set in Columbus has made it much more of a possibility the city should start to develop a relationship with Duke to warm them up to the idea of a partnership and begin engaging with community nonprofits to find a third party that could facilitate a community solar array Glaringly our recommendations are optimistic about city funding and staff capacity, which we know are strained These recommendations should be taken as a set of options that can be ready for when federal funding opens up or when other grant opportunities Arise as well as making efforts to implement them as possible in the present so because of these constraints incremental implementation is suggested for all actions and To take what steps are possible at the time and still make progress towards full scenario project goals. That being said, recommendations are organized into short-term and long-term processes depending on whether Bloomington could begin implementation soon or whether they require more external planning or collaboration that would require more time. Within these timeframes, recommendations are rank ordered based on highest to lowest potential impact. So for our short-term recommendations, these are possible. They could be started within three years First we recommend expansion of the municipal solar and battery capacity to prepare for future implementation of a microgrid and reduce city emissions in the meantime The second and third are also in preparation of a microgrid and involve further evaluating the feasibility of a municipal microgrid through refined cost and benefit estimates and Paired with bar certified legal review because while our research team team did a very thorough job We don't have the training or certification to ensure legality for you So our fourth recommendation is to expand support for residents solar and energy efficiency initiatives through increased resource allocation to BG hip seal and other relevant energy programming and Number five, Bloomington should seek additional grants and external funding from governments, nonprofits, philanthropic organizations, and community institutions like Indiana University to increase financial capacity for energy related programs. Our sixth recommendation is to evaluate the potential impacts of a city administered peak demand response program to reduce grid strain and high wholesale prices, which could curry favor with Duke Energy. Since they are the ones paying those higher wholesale prices during times of peak demand Along that vein the last two short-term Recommendations comprise developing positive interactions with Duke and finding a trusted community partner to facilitate community solar which can ease the way for a longer term action So along that sense our first long-term recommendation is to partner with Duke on community solar and And then to so to develop a proposal to do so and then actually implement it. It would be high-impact and a long-term action plan for Bloomington to work towards Duke may reject attempts at partnership and the iurc will likely side with the utility in the case of a dispute the iurc tends to side with the utility in anything so if Bloomington or if Duke wants to go along with it The IORC should approve it. But if they fight back, the IORC will likely side with them on that as well. So in this case, it may be necessary to develop a plan for formal legal action to challenge the current monopoly utility regulations in conjunction with other Indiana entities like municipalities, industry consumers, and nonprofits like the Citizens Action Coalition, which recently filed a complaint against the IORC. So our second long-term recommendation is to develop a municipal microgrid distribution infrastructure, and that would involve piloting a microgrid framework in one of the identified nodes, connecting only a handful of buildings at a time to sort of trial a microgrid. This would significantly decrease upfront capital required, minimize risk, and allow Bloomington to learn from any potential growing pains before implementing it citywide. If the city does see net benefits with this initiative microgrids could then be expanded to other identified nodes. This phased implementation allows for significant flexibility in the timeline limiting the severity of financial uncertainty. Savings from this program could then be put towards other actions such as increasing funding for energy programming or just towards increasing and expanding the microgrid further. As these processes take shape, Bloomington can develop best practices that can be used as an inspiration or template for other cities or energy users with large facilities like IU, Nova Nordic, Nordisk, or Cook, much like how the inspiration for a local SEU came from Ann Arbor and how the community solar installation in Columbus has potentially opened a pathway for the same in Bloomington. Success here could open, could serve to create impacts much larger than could be advanced or achieved by one city alone. So we have some ongoing recommendations as well. We recommend that Bloomington follow future Indiana General Counsel legislative sessions to be aware of changes that are proposed or passed and that the city advocate for policies that allow community solar installations and other sustainable energy development independent of the incumbent utilities discretion. All of the scenarios and recommended actions also require some level of external support. So the city should continue to be working to engage with stakeholders to increase support, mitigate risks, and create opportunities for future collaboration. This includes public campaigns for residents to raise awareness about programs, communication with Duke to soften them for partnership, and outreach to community nonprofits and philanthropic organizations for funding or collaborative opportunities. So we appreciate your time and attention and would like to acknowledge those who have helped us create this report. We'd like first to thank you, the commission, for providing this project. It's been an excellent opportunity to dive into sustainable energy and to develop new skills and analytical techniques. We'd also like to thank our advisors, Professors John Rupp and Nico Seragiannis, as well as the many consultants who provided insights, direction, and advice throughout the project's development. So finally, we turn our remaining time over to you for questions. Thank you. Well, thank you very much for that wonderful presentation. And I just want to say this is a really impressive body of work, and this is going to be very useful for us. It gives us a lot to think about, a lot to digest, and we're looking forward to diving into it. So congratulations on a well a job well done and and thank you for all the effort that you've put into it and Those things also extend to everyone else who is involved who you acknowledged the faculty who supported it our star staff here on the commission and with the city So now with that I will open it up to the rest of the commissioners for questions. Is there anyone who would like to begin? Commissioner Dunderdale Yeah, I just want to echo this isn't a phenomenal amount of work and I have been I've given these kinds of presentations, both as a student and professional, and this is one of the best ones I've seen. It's incredible work. And I'm going to actually ask an education-related question. This is the first time our commission has done this. I think that any of our commissions in the city have done this. And I would love to hear about this experience as a student. This is not a trick question. I want to know, would you recommend that students sign up for another capstone like this if our commission or any other commission decides to propose another project. Yeah. And it's OK to say no. It's really not a trick question. I mean personally I'm sure everyone has different opinions but it was nice to be working on a project that we would present to a local you know a local commission that could actually take it and make recommendations for real changes in our community that we could see. So that aspect of it was I think beneficial for me and helped motivate me to do good work because I cared about the results. Yeah, and I'll add that there are multiple students in this group who work for the city as fellows So it was nice to connect what we're doing in the office to this project It was nice to have people who are like, oh, I know that one. I know that one or I know who to talk to So I think Opening up to more Commission led capstones is certainly not a bad idea if other offices want to get in on this action I think it's a great idea for some Experiential learning it was a challenge, but we certainly learned a lot both from the aspect of skills development and teamwork and Certainly in the area of subject matter expertise because I had never heard the acronym se you in my life And now I know so much All right any other questions from commissioners and throw your hand up so I can see it if you do I Yeah, Alex, go ahead. Yeah, on the community solar project with Duke, the 50-50 split, I was just wondering why a 50-50 split with Duke and if other arrangements were also considered. So a lot of the details about the community solar project were just based on what they did in Columbus. Certainly some differences in that a lot of the details there were based on an EPA grant program that no longer exists So a lot of those specifically but the understanding of the people involved in In that project is that for that grant program 50% of the energy had to specifically 50% of the revenues had to help low-income households and So there was some of that generation that goes to the United Way Center in Columbus and then the money that gets The profits from selling the energy back to Duke is then distributed into bill credits for a few hundred low-income households in Columbus So that was really the reason for the 50-50 split is just that is the example that we had that's what they did and to meet the requirements of the program that they were getting funding from Yeah, Zach. You mentioned during the community solar component that the environmental benefits were negligible or minimal because of land use impacts. I'm curious, did you quantify how many acres for each percentage, how many acres would be impacted? I'm just curious about that. Would there be any impact on a tree canopy? For example, I am going to call our lovely live Myers to the stand as the lead on the environmental Sustainability pillar and provide you so many wonderful details in that department. Awesome. Thank you I anticipated some questions about the ecological impacts And I was not able to find any data on acreage, so I went off of literature review, so scientific articles, and then taking what I learned from those articles and making assumptions. So what you read within the appendix as well as the project are just assumptions and recommendations based off of the scientific literature, which is cited. So I could not find any quantifiable data. You're a very important person. Did you ever fall out? I thought it was done. I'm so sorry. If you're the sustainability person, I'd like to ask you a few questions while you're up there. So first of all, I just wanted to say I am also impressed by the robustness and the professional depth of this study. I appreciate that you did work on, it's probably not the correct term, but electrical engineering questions, among other things. I'm impressed. I had a few different questions. Some of them are about definition, just for clarity. So I couldn't find anywhere that environmental impact or sustainability were explicitly defined or outlined in these materials. Can you do that for me? Or is there a place where you have done so that I'm not finding My thought, and I was not a member of the legal team, so I might have to call somebody else to the stand, pun somewhat intended, is that the pillars are codified in Indiana state law with environmental sustainability being one of them. So there might be a statutory definition provided. I don't know if that's accurate. So that definition lives in Indiana state law, and that's what you used as your metric. OK, I appreciate that. Maybe a similar question that you may or may not be in a position to answer. In your stakeholder key, it's very thorough. I'm impressed by that. I noticed that things like other species, flora, fauna, non-human actors, and people, so non-institutional players, are not identified there. Was there a reason for that? I hate to take it to another person, but I was not a part of the stakeholder analysis. It's me again. So that is a wonderful point, and I'm going to be honest with you, it was not something that I thought of and is something that I would definitely incorporate into a future version of that analysis. I knew that Liv was incorporating some aspects of ecological analysis and ecological impact into her work, so I wasn't entirely sure how much would be covered there. That is a wonderful point. And yeah, in a future version of this or in future recommendations that would be created based on this, I think that should absolutely be incorporated. Adding onto that a little bit, in terms of the ecological impacts, the main concerns that I was looking at were habitat fragmentation, as well as just land use and land cover change over time, especially with deployment of solar arrays. So not specifically what species are being displaced, because we don't have, I know we have an idea and suggestions of places, but I think moving forward, doing a deeper ecological dive and maybe a conservation index of what species will be impacted in each deployment area should be considered. Thank you. I have a question about conclusions, but I can wait, because these were themed, and I can pass it on. Sounds good. Are there any other questions from commissioners? Yeah. Alex? Yeah. I was wondering, going back to the community solar land use. I'm in the hot seat tonight, yes. It occurred to me the idea of modeling that there's land use degradation when you go to solar. Was it at all considered to do something like agrifoltaics, where you're still utilizing the land in some other way, or putting the solar on already disturbed land, brownfields or existing buildings? And what are the environmental impacts then when we're not using pristine land that's being disturbed? So in terms of other land use, we considered brownfields. And once again, I'm going to call on Vinny, because he did a lot of research on brownfields. And he'd have a lot more information, because in my ecological impact write-up, we had different quantifiable measures that we were looking at. And Vinny's had more concern about brownfields. Yeah, sure. Thanks. For the Brownfields aspect of it, a lot of the research that went into it was what is available. And so looking on the Indiana Brownfields program list, what currently exists in the state, in Bloomington in particular, is quite competitive with other projects, both private and public. There wasn't a whole lot of information Regarding the actual characteristics of the site in particular the sizes of them is that would play a most important role in how much energy would actually end up be generated The largest sites on the list was somewhere around 70 acres however, this one was just recently purchased by a biopharmaceutical company for large-scale manufacturing plant So in the case of brownfields as a whole We kind of look to avoid that in the analysis Primarily due to the lack of information on the both the availability and from what it looked like other purchasers of the land already for ongoing projects Yeah I'm just wondering how in-depth you looked at Ann Arbor's specific program and the reason why I ask is my understanding is and this is just a cursory I don't understand it in depth that I was I was I'm wondering My understanding is their legal constraints are fairly similar to what we have in Indiana while the political constraints are different They're obviously at the bluer state than here's they have different political constraints the legal framework my understanding at least is it's fairly similar to Indiana yet They found a way to work around it To create an se you I'm wondering How different what is what makes us different here? the the primary difference in Michigan is a the foot act which has been interpreted by state courts to allow for competition and So it is set up similarly in the basic like code But this specific legislation has been interpreted by the state Supreme Court to allow for a parallel utility Which is what Ann Arbor actually did? Just a brief follow-up if I may My understanding though of the Ann Arbor program that is is that it's more complementary and less and direct competition With their version of Duke. I think it's called deep something DTE. Yeah is that correct or But yeah by competition, I mean in the economic sense of the word that there can be another utility operating in the same space So it is in a way complementary. They're not replacing the existing IOU. They're just working in parallel Yeah, Quentin We did not know Yeah, that was we did consider it but we decided that was outside of the scope of our project which was more based on research and feasibility analysis So we we left that up to the city and the Commission to actually contact you can start those relationships And I'm sure this will be I this may be covered in the full report but I in considering environmental impact are you does your analysis include the the sort of outsourced impacts of solar so the rare earth mining that's happening somewhere else the cost to the emissions related to getting it here and then the cost of repair and replace of the infrastructure over time So within the report, our scope was just based on greenhouse gas emissions as well as regional pollutants or criteria pollutants within the area. And the data that we used from that was the EPA eGrid 2023 data. So I collected the data for Indiana specifically for power plant emissions. So a whole bunch of criteria pollutants and created a range and then average based off of that. So within the report I have to mention that there are limitations to some of the numbers that you will read because they are based on Monroe County and not Bloomington specifically. So outside sources weren't considered. It was just 20 23 power plant data for regional criteria pollutants. All right. We were getting pretty close to time. Are there any last minute quick questions. Alex. Last one going back to CEU legality. I'm not arguing that it's not I'm not arguing that it is legal but we talked about community solar not being currently permitted. But if you have the utilities agreement you can do pretty much anything. Would it be your understanding that if Duke were amenable to it that the city could do an SEU. Because I know that in Ann Arbor's case that DTE did not fight it and that they have been a partner So if the city could secure that partnership, do you think that? the se you could potentially move forward Yes, our understanding is that? Basically any option that you can get Duke to agree with would be legally feasible The question is what you can get them to agree to and that's why we pursued other options We did not think that was Especially realistic, but it's certainly something that could be worth pursuing All right, I lied about that being the last question we have one more quick one from Christopher Very quickly. Um, so I appreciate that Immediately after starting this you pretty much identified that you're hamstrung by straight state law in terms of what you're doing That can't be a fun discovery to instantly make but along the lines of sort of possibilities and constraints going forward it sounds like the conclusions are local municipalities are significantly constrained in what they can do. Would you therefore say that your conclusion from this research is that state or federal level legislative change or other forms of more fundamentally structural, political, ecological transformation are necessary to achieve meaningful sustainability transitions? Yes. Yes, I would. In the stakeholder analysis, in the full thing, I discuss the congressional representatives for both in the Senate, Indiana as a whole, in the House, the Bloomington general area, as well as the state legislative representatives. And it was clear, looking into their voting records, that there were things in there that could have made a project like this a lot easier, a lot more feasible. There's been bills introduced in the state legislature to allow community solar, I believe, for the last two or three years, it's all in there. But it's been shot down every time. And a lot of that has to do with lobbying and outside influence and things that I will not get into at the moment. But yes, and on the other end, too, at the federal level, not only is federal policy a huge, huge, huge player, but federal funding is a huge player. The only, well, not the only, but a large part of why the project in Columbus could go anywhere was because there was EPA funding. We know very well that that does not exist anymore for the time being. But in a future where these things are not obstacles in the state house, are not obstacles at the federal level, I think they're A bright future ahead. I'm choosing to believe there's a bright future ahead anyway. But yes, I think the state and federal policy play a huge role in what the municipalities can do. We learned that real quick. And as much as I would love to recommend all the bills that I think should be passed to make this happen, it's out of the scope and potentially unrealistic for a while. But all that to say, yes. Accomplished a lot within the time that you had to put this work together and it really is an incredible piece of work that we deeply appreciate So thank you very much again for all the hard work that you've put into it and for everybody who was who played a role in that As a quick note before y'all leave anyone who spoke at the podium today If you could just see our secretary Tara before you leave just so she can get down your name for the record And other than that I will just note that our next regular business meeting of this Commission will be on Tuesday May 12th at 6 30 p.m. In the McCloskey room down the hall I'm sorry 6 p.m. And We are at the end of the scheduled time. So with that we are adjourned at 6 30 Thank you