- All right. It is five o'clock, and I would like to call the order of the Wednesday, June 4th, 2025,
- looking to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order.
- Before we start the roll, I just want to thank everybody for coming, because this was a previously
- unscheduled meeting.
- We're trying to get some expedited stuff out the door, and there's some stuff that would clock out
- if you all were not here.
- So thank you all for coming. I'm incredibly grateful to all of you.
- Daddy, would you call the roll? - Sure.
- Elizabeth Mitchell?
- Ernesto Castaneda? - Here.
- Daniel Schlegel? - Here.
- Sam DeSaller? - Here.
- Reynard Cross? - Here.
- Jack Baker? - Here.
- Jeremy Hackard? - Here.
- Melody Dusner?
- Duncan Campbell?
- Karen Duffy?
- Okay.
- All right. I would like to hear a motion on the minutes. Does anyone have any changes?
- I'll move to approve.
- I have a second.
- I second.
- Go to the roll.
- Okay. Ernesto Castaneda?
- Yes.
- Daniel Schlegel?
- Yes.
- Sam DeSaller?
- Yes.
- Raynard Cross?
- Yes.
- Jack Baker yes, Jeremy hacker. Yes motion carries six zero
- We get the statement usually that comes after staff stuff doesn't I could do it now too
- Okay, all right
- As far as coa 2530
- 917 North Fairview Street in the Maple Heights Historic District
- petitioner is Daniel Weddle in
- May 2023 petitioner Daniel Weddle received coa 2329
- For the construction of an adu in his backyard at 917 North Fairview
- Work on the project has been ongoing, but the applicant wishes to revise some features of the
- original plan
- Including changes to the fenestration patterns and removal of an exterior staircase from the east
- elevation
- The building was conditionally approved provided that the applicant continue to work with staff and
- the Commission to balance creative design with guideline recommendations
- Several amendments to the original coa have subsequently been approved
- This request includes alterations to window design on three elevations an alternative choice of
- garage door
- And the removal of a proposed exterior staircase
- The staff approves the planned alterations proposed in coa 2530
- the altered plan
- Plans presented constitute a fairly minor change to the previously approved plans
- And would be minimally visible from the public right-of-way from the alley to the north of the law
- Okay is Daniel here
- Since this is already a staff approved thing it is
- Are there any other staff? I know just found one. All right, so at this point in the meeting the
- historic preservation commission
- We hear petitioners for certificates of appropriateness
- Followed by demolition delays for each item the historic preservation program manager will first
- present a staff report
- We'll then hear if the petitioner has any additional information
- Followed by a round of questions from each commissioner
- We ask that petitioners the public and commissioners refrain from speaking and tell a trust by the
- chair
- Unless a question is directly addressed to them if a member of the public or a petitioner wishes to
- comment
- Please raise your hand until recognized by the chair upon completion of public comments
- The chair will entertain motions from the commissioners regarding the relevant certificate of
- appropriateness or demolition delay
- Once a motion is made by a commissioner the chair then opens up discussion of the item
- The members of the commission only the chair will call a vote
- Once each commissioner has been given a chance to comment on the motion. We encourage all
- commissioners petitioners and
- Members of the public to be civil and respectful at all times
- The coa 2526
- Petitioner is ace of holly. This is for 1018 East Wiley in the Elm Heights historic district
- 1018 East Wiley is a two-story brick colonial revival house built in 1930
- It demonstrates a high degree of integrity but has some replacement site features
- including aluminum railings and a steel lamp post
- The request is and I quote we would like to replace two non-original metal handrails leading up to
- the
- sidewalk leading up from the sidewalk to the front yard
- and
- from the
- Front yard steps up to the front entrance. The current ones are very wobbly and seem to be from an
- inexpensive kit
- We would like to replace the handrails with black powder covered metal railings
- Fabricated by the same contractor who recently installed them for our neighbors across the street
- at 1019 East Wiley
- The style would be the same as the ones they put in a picture included though. We would probably
- modify it if needed
- We would also like to replace the non-original post light next to the handrail on the stairs by the
- sidewalk
- Again, the existing one is made from a flimsy inexpensive material
- We would like to get a sturdier more visually attractive one that would mit match the Georgian
- style of the home
- The staff recommends approval of coa 2526
- The current railings and lamp post are not likely original to the house and the proposed replacements
- are of a style material
- compatible with the house and the district
- Is the petitioner present
- This is the petitioner online
- I
- See anybody respond all right, let's bump that to the end and see if they show up
- So moving on
- 1200 North Lincoln in the Garden Hill Historic District, this is coa 2527
- 1200 North Lincoln is a small it's not an altered gable. L. It said that in the shard. I don't
- think it is
- It's a small
- altered cottage with an enclosed front front porch
- Part of the limestone retaining wall has been replaced with cement block and most of the original
- exterior materials appear to be missing
- In February 25 a previous proposal for the addition of a second story was denied under coa 2510
- There is a limestone retaining wall and two mature trees at the southern end of the lot
- The proposal outlines the addition
- To an existing single-story home expanding the bedroom and bathroom count from two bedrooms in one
- bath
- To four bedrooms for baths
- The project will achieve this by adding a small addition to the south side of the house while
- maintaining the homes
- Existing footprint using similar exterior materials and ensuring the design remains consistent with
- the architectural style of the surrounding neighborhood
- I
- Not sure if that site plan is the latest one
- That's not just
- The latest one should be your packet. Yeah
- Which reflects as you see here
- An alternative plan
- Staff recommends approval of coa 2526 2527
- The proposed addition is set back 12 feet 7 inches from the front facade leaving the side window on
- the gable visible
- in addition
- The addition is differentiated from and subordinate to the original house
- Overall, the addition is slightly under 400 square feet which would bring the total floor area to
- approximately 1200 square feet
- The proposed materials are consistent with existing materials on the house and district guidelines
- Two points that will require careful consideration are the effects of the addition on the massing
- of that and outlining of the house
- Some contributing houses in the immediate context like 303 East 16th Street and 1125
- North Lincoln have modest side addition set back from the front a
- Goal with additions visible from the public right-of-way is to avoid overwhelming the scale and
- proportion of the structure and surrounding buildings
- Additionally the effect of construction on mature trees and the stone retaining wall would have a
- not insignificant impact on the streetscape
- the revised plans presented for COA 2527
- Submitted for the June 4th agenda have a more modest effect on the primary facade and landscape
- Maintaining the overall character of the original house
- Does the petitioner of anything they'd like to add
- Questions check no questions. No questions
- Yes, I was making sure I'm getting them the right house did the do they have a design review
- committee that weighed in or anything?
- Okay, I
- received some comments about
- The next design that's coming up as well as the previous design for this location
- That was included in the May 22nd meeting that was wasn't held
- So I haven't received comments for the design that's presented here
- I have a question for the petitioner
- so the rendering
- Looks significantly different on the front porch than the existing front porch
- But I wanted to clarify if you go to the plan
- The bubbled area on the plan. Is that the only portion of the house that's undergoing renovation,
- right?
- Thank you. All right
- Members the public or the design review committee if you want to
- We thought it was really unattractive
- And that about sums it up
- Do you have any
- Specific criticism other than it being unattractive any constructive
- Situation we got
- Within for the only people in this room
- In the purpose of these buildings which always seem to get lost in these discussions, which
- Often are about aesthetics, you know
- Real life
- That's my comment on 12
- I
- Hear you on the next one as well, sir. Thank you
- Do I hear a motion
- I'll move to approve
- second
- All right discussion comments
- And also any comments
- Daniel comments
- Not yet
- Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I know do you have comments?
- No, but I I
- Would like to get a better sense though, I know you said you can't add to just on attractive
- But is there any
- More that if you try really hard you can
- Describe what it is about this that turns you off
- I hate to say this. I don't know if this is under you
- But there's no landscaping at all. There's nothing to soften
- this house
- That retaining wall is going to be all
- Cement block now and those trees will be gone and it will significantly change
- The outward appearance of the house and make it more stark
- Does that help?
- Yes, thank you
- Jeremy your comments no
- Jack I agree with the staff
- okay, I
- guess to address some of the
- resident comments the HPC
- Sort of has a limited purview about what we can review and what we can't review and we're looking
- at what happens on the outside of building
- Not what they stick in there not what the zoning is
- So we do what we can do
- But if something
- Complies with the guidelines and granted I do agree with the comments that this is
- Lacking a lot of windows and I think the petitioner will eventually be sad. They don't have any
- windows in their bathrooms
- That's not something we necessarily have purview over unless it's reflected in the guidelines
- so
- At this point, you know, I'm Daniel
- Was there somebody else over there? No, I thought you wanted wanted to come back to you. Oh sure
- Certainly, I do notice the difference and in those drawings compared to the existing photographs
- It looks different. What is if you look at that?
- Looks like they're modifying the little vestibule entrance on the front of the house
- Yeah, I actually asked a question earlier to clarify that with the petitioner and the plan at the
- addition
- They stated that's the only thing they're modifying
- Yeah, that's right. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, I mean comments
- Make right the point where we will call the vote
- Unless I don't hear anything further. Is there anybody on line or any other members of the public
- have comments?
- Okay, you call it we're ready Ernesto Castaneda no
- Daniel Schlegel
- Yes
- Sam de Saller. Yes
- Renard cross. Yes
- Jack Baker. Yes
- Jeremy hacker. Yes
- motion carries five one
- Next item
- same petitioner same district
- 1202 North Lincoln
- this is
- COA 2528
- 1202 North Lincoln is a significant significantly altered
- 1926 bungalow with a half enclosed front porch and a rear addition from the 70s
- The proposal outlines the addition of a second
- That's
- Anyway, the proposal here is for a rear addition that I will show you now
- This is
- The houses it exists you can see the
- Later addition on the rear slightly offset to the side
- The proposed addition will also be somewhat offset from that in the opposite direction
- Somewhat visible from the street
- I
- Staff recommends, I'm sorry. I was looking back at the
- Okay
- Staff recommends approval of coa 2528
- the proposed rear addition of 1202 North Lincoln Street is modest in scale and
- Slightly offset from the alignment of the main structure as is recommended in the district
- guidelines
- It's minimally visible from the public right of way and would match material design and fenestration
- Patterns established in the existing house
- Questions
- What's the height
- I
- Mean it looks like it's gonna be exactly the same there's no major that same as we're where the
- addition will meet the existing
- Jack do you have any questions? Yes, this
- If you could go back a couple of
- Pages to the point where we have this roof line. It's very hard
- I just want to ask what happens to that is that being torn off completely redone?
- I
- Can't tell from these drawings where it is
- And putting it together on the elevations it it looks like it disappears and
- Is a new roof line? That's a very good question
- Ideally, it would be great if it could be removed and continued on the whole idea
- Would be to keep the front half of the house the gable and then the porch gable completely intact
- Ideally, it would be nice to replace that section of kind of scabbed-on looking roof
- But it could be it could also be left if that was if that was what needed to happen where and then
- the addition was
- All the roofing piece that was added. I guess we're open to that
- And kind of hard to show
- It was difficult to show that
- Exists modification and in rendering forms
- But a good question
- I'm not suggesting that it remain. In fact, I would suggest it not remain but I'm just trying to
- resolve it with the
- The elevations that were being shown here I don't see where it flows into that or
- if the sides of it are possibly being taken off the roofline maintained or
- Just how it fits it looks like there's a slight
- Discontinuity in the roof, but nothing like that
- so I'm assuming that that's it's coming off of yeah, we're gonna flow into the
- New addition in a more fluid manner. It would need to come off in that little dormer that you see
- about halfway back
- That's facing south would would stay with the new gable roof line that would continue on to the
- back and cover the addition
- Mm-hmm, so the appearance of just a longer a longer house
- you look at the north a little bit, but then the rear gable would be offset with the offset of the
- addition
- There's my questions were also related to that as
- It does look like the the plans which have bumpouts
- Don't necessarily were are they're not reflected in the elevations or the renderings so I find that
- the
- Whole application a little bit confusing as to what it is you're trying to do
- But I think we can get to that in and the discussion do we have comments from members of the public
- This was especially unattractive comparing the two
- I'm worried that the entrance is going to be changed and
- Probably should be the west elevation in particular
- Unseen
- That's
- This was another case where I think would be helpful to get clarification as to
- whether this rear addition is going to be
- The tires go before proposed
- Are you going to modify the front entry the front porch?
- The end on the exterior of the home nothing will be touched except for the rear or the additional
- Everything that you see in that photo
- Would remain unchanged
- So I
- Think we got two choices here I
- mean
- My take on this I'm going to be a little bit
- editorial
- Is that the packet we have before us does not?
- reflect
- Clearly what the petitioner is trying to do and if you would be willing?
- to come back with some elevations that
- Described what exactly is you're trying to do with that rear addition and you know clarify that you're
- not going to
- How it ties into the existing I think Jack's comment that that
- Very awkward roof on the back comes off. It would be lovely. I think you'll get a lot of mileage
- with us if you
- Maintain those two gables on the north and south sides of the house and then hit into those
- so because I think those are sort of character defining elements of the house and
- maintain as many of the existing windows because
- When I look at the renderings versus the existing photographs, there's a lot of
- discrepancies between
- window sizes and
- roof and bump ins and bump outs
- So if you'd be willing to look very carefully at your plan
- Which I don't really have issue with and just make sure that translates to the
- elevations
- We had to see you again next time around, okay
- So we need a motion
- We can we I mean we can move to what's the clock on this one
- It's set to expire. I think tomorrow. All right, so I think what we're gonna do without prejudice
- We're gonna deny you and then you can come back and we'll we'll go through it again
- That's that's that's just yeah, that's just a
- Give us time to get over all our ducks in line
- All right, would you call the roll
- Ernesto Castaneda
- This is to do no, oh yes
- Just to be clear voting to the we're voting to deny but he's able to come back
- Yeah, this is just we got a reset the clock
- Made to deny so a yes vote is to deny the petition
- Come back anybody
- Same disorder. Yes, Raynard Cross Jack Baker. Yes, Jeremy Hacker
- Harry motion to deny carry six zero. Thank you. Appreciate it
- Thank you both for coming in as well appreciate you
- Thank you
- Next item COA 25 29. This is for 601 North Morton Street the showers administrative building
- Petitioner is Lucas Brown
- The Shower's Furniture Company administrative building is a 1916 office building
- Is the petitioner here?
- Oh
- Luke I don't know. I'll get it. It's good. You're gonna get it
- But back to the end as well
- I like that one. I think that one's interesting. Yeah, okay
- Yeah
- Here we go COA 25 31
- 720 West 11th Street in the Maple Heights Historic District
- Petitioner is here
- Thomas doglione
- This is a circa
- 1900 gabled Owl House
- With a rear kitchen addition from the mid 20th century
- Most of its exterior features have been replaced except for the front porch windows and doors
- It is situated on a corner lot at the intersection of 11th Street and Maple
- This request is for the replacement of
- existing windows with
- White vinyl windows double hung except on the kitchen addition where sliding windows would be used
- The replacement windows would be within a couple of inches of the dimensions of the windows
- currently installed
- So
- These are the kitchen windows on the addition which would be replaced with sliding windows
- Of approximately the same dimensions as the overall opening
- Existing frames for other portions of the house
- And
- Location on the corner lot
- Staff recommends approval of coa
- 2531 the repose replacement windows would match the dimensions of the existing windows on the house
- and
- the sliding windows are proposed for the later rear addition while the Mabel Heights neighborhood
- association is
- drafting a more comprehensive list of guidelines
- that have not yet been approved by the Historic Preservation Commission the current guidelines
- drafted for the
- Conservation district are modeled significantly on those of the near westside historic district
- Which recommend replacement of windows with the same dimensions and configuration if not the same
- materials
- Does the petitioner of anything you'd like to know
- I mean, it's a learning experience over here
- Really is an adventure
- Questions Jackie have questions. Yeah
- couple questions all the windows appear to be like three over ones
- these things
- Um store windows
- And there's no man, I think they're
- Got the house in like 1950 and he rolled the woodshed onto the house and made it a kitchen
- I believe is that one in the south bedroom though last original one. Yes
- Are they all of this type with three upper one lowest they are
- Every window in the house is that way now
- And what are there's double payment they have no storm windows where they ask me
- What style are they?
- Basically the same style. I guess I should picture that before you
- There's an existing photograph. Yeah, I mean I think what he's asking is the top
- Sash divided into three little windows, or are they just like one big window?
- The three replaced took out the three
- How we're talking about them
- Differing in size slightly. I'd like to get a kind of an idea. What does that mean two inches one
- inch a half inch six inches?
- The existing rough opening
- Oh
- Thank you
- Okay, thank you very much
- Then you have questions
- questions
- Do we have any comments or anything from the public or anyone online? Oh
- I guess I retract that do it did the neighborhood have any comments?
- So they're changing their guidelines up. Yeah, they're updating them. We're meeting with them
- tomorrow. Oh, are you? Yes, sir
- I don't know if they show it might be Elm Heights. Yeah
- This won't really affect what is you're doing but the guidelines in the future if you do another
- one
- I
- Will fill them in but if you want if you want contact information I can give you there's a
- neighborhood, you know email
- Sir
- See it's too crazy or whatever
- I
- Think we're at the point where we can entertain emotion
- Do I have a second
- Daniel
- Jeremy and then Daniel second
- Discussion
- Meaning to order
- Jeremy you have thoughts
- Daniel
- Yeah, I think I think the only thing I think it's very interesting
- That it's a woodshed that was propped up against the back of the house
- Well, you can see there's a
- Right after I had to replace and I had to build a frame in there because the wood was slack wood
- Yeah, I had to rebuild a frame to replace a couple. Well, my dad had a grocery store across the
- street for
- They had for a year to build the
- Grocery until like 1965 and he ran it after he got out of World War II
- That he traded that that was the Christian Center
- and he traded it for two pieces of property on the street
- I got the abstract at home
- It's interesting kind of to read it
- Well, the grocery is still standing too, which is handy
- It's apartments now that they kind of run the old building store
- I had one other question for you. Are you going to sort of keep the trim like it is?
- Well, I wanted to match when I had the other windows
- which then I want to have an exterior
- I would like to keep the wood, but the wood's kind of really
- Well, just match the size and size of it as on the rest of the existing house
- Yes
- Okay, that makes sense
- Is that fine?
- That's perfect
- Okay
- That's perfect
- I'd like to keep it that way, but it's so the wood's, you can just put your finger into it
- Yes, that's time to upgrade it
- I think if there's no further discussion, I think we can call the roll
- Okay
- Ernesto Castaneda
- Yes
- Daniel Schlegel
- Yes
- Sam DeSaller
- Yes
- Bernard Cross
- Yes
- Jack Baker
- Yes
- Jeremy Hackard
- Yes
- Thank you for coming
- The area is 6-0
- I'll get you your certificate
- I'll get you a lesson
- It's going to be a lot here, and I don't know what to do from now on
- Thank you, Noah
- Yeah, have a good night
- You too, thank you
- Take care
- See you
- Okay
- This
- I believe the petitioner is going to be
- Attending online, so
- I've got two online people
- If you are the petitioner for
- 703 East 7th Street
- Would you raise your hand?
- People online?
- Okay
- He did tell me
- That he was going to be here, so
- We might have to bump it back
- Alright
- Getting no indication
- No?
- I've got two people online and I'm getting no indication from you
- Okay, alright
- Alright, big ticket items
- This one's fine
- Okay, this is COA 2533
- For 206 North Walnut Street
- In the Courthouse Square Historic District
- The petitioner is Joshua Brownell
- The Princess Theatre is an outstanding rated building in the Courthouse Square Local and National
- Historic Districts
- Bloomington Restorations Inc. has a facade easement on the property
- Because of loose and damaged tiles on the terracotta facade
- The City of Bloomington issued an unsafe order on the property
- Which has apartments on the upper floors and a vacant first floor
- The property entered new ownership in 2025
- And the owner is proposing a restoration of the terracotta facade
- The proposal is intended to secure a certificate of appropriateness
- For the restoration of the terracotta cladding on the facade of 206 North Walnut Street
- In the Courthouse Square Historic District in Bloomington
- This property is historically known as the Princess Theatre
- The proposed work description is outlined in the commercial alteration permit C2592
- Is based on the reported findings of the structural engineers report from RC Engineers
- Dated October 10th, 2023
- Based on this report our scope of work is listed as follows
- But also subject to continuing consultation with RC Engineers
- As we commence deconstruction and gain more insight into the structural integrity of a facade
- Carefully remove individual terracotta units and prepare for restoration or replication
- Removal of terracotta will begin at the top of the parapet wall
- And may continue as far as the lintel above the large windows on the facade
- Depending on findings and consultation with the structural engineer
- Removed terracotta units will be inspected and then either repaired on site
- Or sent to Boston Valley Terracotta in Buffalo, New York
- Where fabricators will hand sculpt, fire, and glaze each respective piece to match the original
- architectural integrity and glaze color
- The lead time on this sort of replication has been quoted at 9 to 12 months from the time they
- receive the units
- The terracotta units that are not needed to be replicated will be restored
- Using specialized contemporary products manufactured by Edison Coatings Inc, Edison Coatings Co.
- These products are specifically designed for historic preservation and restoration of terracotta exteriors
- With the specified areas of cladding removed, we will demo and remove the existing structural brick
- parapet wall
- Down to location below the existing roof line that is deemed to be structurally sound by a
- consulting engineer
- We will replace the structural parapet with CMU block that is reinforced with rebar and grout
- filled cells
- The dimensions of rebar and CMU as well as the PSI of the grout will also be consulted by a
- structural engineer
- The proposed structural wall on the west elevation will be inspected and a vapor/moisture burial
- will be installed in accordance with the engineer's recommendations
- Through wall flashing and water mitigation systems will be installed with weep holes through newly
- installed cladding
- During the 9-12 month lead time required for replication of historically accurate terracotta units,
- the building will be waterproofed and protected with a semi-permanent cladding or membrane
- In conjunction with this description of work, we will also be providing a proposed material list
- for the full scope of the project
- For the structural parapet, CMU block, Type N mortar, structural rebar, Portland grout, and 220
- ladder mesh reinforcement
- For the masonry anchor system, VBT binotized zinc, DW10 galvanized steel, for the terracotta repair,
- custom 45, elasto wall 351, and spec joint 46
- You can see here the location on the western front elevation where structural brick will be removed
- to 18 inches below the roof line
- And rebuilt with 12 inch CMU grout block filled with 3/4 inch rebar reinforcements
- The terracotta cladding will be removed and then restored
- You can see here indicating the parts of the facade where terracotta is loose and the petitioner is
- currently planning on removing and doing repairs
- Staff recommends approval of COA 2533. The proposed restoration can serve the appearance and
- materials of the theater's facade without removal of historic materials
- Limited to the brick parapet wall not visible from the facade and of damaged tiles that would be
- replaced in kind with terracotta replacements
- The submitted proposal includes plans for flashing, repointing, and the addition of a moisture
- barrier and weep holes to slow future water related deterioration
- The proposed water coating is breathable so as to avoid trapping moisture
- The proposed mortar mix can be mixed softer than the terracotta tiles to avoid damaging tiles and
- meet National Park Service specifications
- The compound selected for repairing the tiles is designed for the task and is capable of expanding
- with a moisture permeability
- Comparable to the tile substrate and can be colored to match the repaired tiles
- Care must be taken with the removal and storage of the tiles that they be marked for reinstallation
- and protected from the elements
- The collaboration of the easement holder BRI should be sought in the replacement of tiles and color
- selection for the masonry repair compound
- Does the petitioner have any additional comments?
- I received an email today at 207 from Steve Wyatt stating that he approves everything that I've
- submitted to you, so he says that he is, as speaking on behalf of BRI, is on board with the
- resolution.
- Thank you. Questions? Jack?
- All right, so as I understand it, the majority of the work is in the upper part of the parapet.
- That will be taken down, redone, back up block, and so on.
- The tile itself, I understand the sending some tile off for glazing and coloration and that sort of
- thing.
- Did I hear that some of the terracotta replacement would not be terracotta but a coating of some
- sort?
- It's a compound that...
- That's what I mean.
- Well, there's a repair compound that's being suggested for repairing terracotta tiles that are
- broken but damaged but repairable.
- And then the ones that can't be repaired, it sounds like, are going to be replaced in kind.
- I'm not being critical, I'm just trying to understand what's going on.
- I gotcha.
- It's a material that will duplicate to a great extent the terracotta look.
- Like a glorified historic restoration bondo.
- I gotcha.
- Better than.
- Alright, that's all I have.
- Questions?
- I've got a couple of questions.
- One is, is the restoration limited to from the lintel up?
- Yeah, and I wanted to remark on that.
- The initial drawing is from my original bid.
- But I believe that we would deconstruct to roughly 8 to 12 inches below those windows.
- Because the overall lintel that spans the building is not structurally sound.
- I don't need an engineer to tell me that.
- So we would like to consult with RC on that.
- That needs to be addressed too.
- There are one or two tiles at ground level that are severely damaged.
- Would you be willing to lock that in there?
- My plan is to remove those specifically individually, put them back in.
- Sweet.
- And then in this 9 to 12 month hiatus, what are we going to see while the tiles are away?
- Is it just going to be an exposed block up there?
- I mean, you've got a year of weathering that you've got to deal with.
- So I'm just curious what we're going to see.
- The material I'm planning for that has been something remaining towards this old roof.
- And it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing thing, but it would be wonderful.
- And it'll keep the weather out.
- And it's unfortunately the best thing to come up with until we get this restoration back to what it
- needs to be.
- I guess my final question is I'm very happy that you're taking all this stacked masonry off the top
- and replacing it with a CMU.
- How are you anchoring, or does your engineer figure it out, how they're going to anchor that CMU
- parapet to the existing load bearing brick wall?
- I've discussed it.
- And as far as the building department goes, I've talked about perhaps north and south structural
- walls, placing a steel beam at an anchoring point.
- They advise me to turn that in as a secondary alteration, so much of this project depends on
- getting the coping and the parapet.
- And also seeing what you get once you dig into it.
- So if Mr. LaRue is on board, I'm on board, so that's all good.
- Thank you.
- Any other questions? Any questions from the public or anyone online?
- All right, I will entertain a motion.
- I'll move to approve COA 2533.
- Do I have a second?
- I'll second.
- Thank you.
- Okay, Jeremy.
- Ernesto Castaneda?
- Yes.
- Daniel?
- Do we have comments?
- Sorry.
- I didn't hear any comments. I asked for public comments. Yeah, we didn't have comments from the
- commissioners.
- So let's hold on that for my apologies. Jeremy, comments?
- I think it's a great proposal. Thanks for doing all this work to help preserve this. I hope it
- works out well.
- I think it's a good project. I hope the building structurally is in good condition.
- It's had its problems over the years, and I'm hoping the rest of the building, you don't have any
- problems with that.
- This is a big enough project.
- It's a great project. Can't wait to see it's finished. I hope they show some great movies.
- They're not going to be doing that anymore.
- I think it's had the scaffolding out front since I moved to town almost four years ago, so I can't
- wait to see it again like it's supposed to be.
- I know scaffolding is expensive, so I wish you godspeed.
- All right. Eddie, thank you for your patience.
- All right. Ernesto Castaneda. Yes.
- >> Yes. >> Daniel Schlagle.
- >> Yes. >> Sam DeSaller.
- >> Yes. >> Raynard Cross.
- >> Yes. >> Jack Baker.
- >> Yes. >> Jeremy Hackard.
- >> Yes. >> Motion carries 6-0.
- >> Thank you for coming in. >> May I ask a question?
- >> Motion to second. >> As far as, can I expect this to kind of move through the rest of the
- departments this week,
- or do we have to commence the project? >> With the planning department?
- Who are you waiting on? >> I think I've talked to everybody.
- BRI, you guys, and then Bobby's just waiting on, I think, that person.
- >> Okay, so planning, I think. Do you want to weigh in here?
- >> Yes. This commission cannot promise you anything with other departments.
- You'll need to work with them individually before you can use the COA to move forward with the work.
- >> Building is usually pretty quick, though. >> Next portion of our evening, national register
- applications.
- I know Eddie's excited about this one. He doesn't have a name tag because he doesn't believe in
- them.
- >> That's Eddie. >> He's got one here going on.
- >> He's got one on. He doesn't have one of these. Okay.
- >> I know who I am. >> Located at 2335 Fountain Drive.
- This is the Hensenburg School, owned by VET Environmental Engineering.
- Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 23 -- right, the national register application author who
- is with us is Danielle Bashong-Bell.
- Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 2335 Fountain Drive is a two-story, five-bay brick, two-to-revival
- elementary school building with limestone detail.
- The building is listed as notable in the Indiana Historic Sites and Structures Inventory and has
- been slightly altered with replacement windows and doors, interior finishes, and a rear one-story
- brick addition by Indianapolis architects McGuire and Shook in 1957, and a metal fire escape in
- place of the slide that once ran from the second story.
- Otherwise, the building retains its location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, and
- association.
- The building closed in—sorry, the school closed in 1969.
- The building was bought by Fields Environmental, which was acquired by VET Environmental LLC, the
- current owner and occupant, and in 2021, the window openings, which had been previously partially
- covered with vertical siding and one-over-one vinyl windows, were reopened to full size.
- In order to be eligible for inclusion in the National Register, properties must conform to 36 Code
- of Federal Regulations, Part 60.4, the criteria for evaluation.
- The nomination establishes that the district is eligible under Criterion A because this property
- embodies a pattern of events or historical trend that made a significant contribution to the
- development of the community.
- The Henzenberg School is significant to the National Register of Historic Places under Criteria A
- on the local level.
- The area of significance is education for its association with primary grade education in Monroe
- County from its construction in 1929 to its closure in 1969.
- It is a rare intact example of a local school that accommodated multiple classrooms, a cafeteria,
- and other activities during the transitional period between small one-room rural schoolhouses and
- large consolidated schools of the later half of the 20th century.
- Additionally, Henzenberg School meets the associated historical context of the Indiana Public
- Common and High School's 1816 to 1945 Multiple Properties Documentation Form as a two or more room
- consolidated rural school.
- Henzenberg School is located within the community of Henzenberg, founded in 1889 by James and
- Carolyn Henson.
- Historically, the school was surrounded by modest homes, most likely employees of the numerous limestone
- quarries and mills situated a half mile to the north in what was previously known as Hunter Valley.
- The Hunter Switch trail rail line to the west of the school provided access for the limestone
- businesses to the Louisville, New Albany, and Chicago Railroad, later renamed the Monon.
- As the local industry grew to include other large companies such as Westinghouse, General Electric,
- and RCA, Henzenberg remained a working class community for employees of these companies.
- The school was absorbed into the Bloomington Metropolitan School Corporation in 1953 and remained
- in service for the children of Henzenberg and the surrounding area until 1969.
- As at fourth in 36 CFR Part 60, staff has notified the property owner and public officials by
- letter all have been given opportunity to provide the Commission with written comments or
- objections.
- A public meeting will be held on, this is out of date, May 22nd, 2025, where the Bloomington Historic
- Preservation Commission will render its decision on the merits of this application.
- Recommendation, staff recommends, staff supports the nomination and recommends that the Bloomington
- Historic Preservation Commission support the nomination of the Henzenberg School to the National
- Register of Historic Places based on the substance of the argument and the nomination.
- It is possible that the Indiana Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology will request
- further revision of the nomination form during substantive review, which will follow the Commission's
- action.
- These revisions should not affect the case for the nomination.
- Would the petitioner like to add anything?
- I don't think I have too much to add unless you have questions.
- Other than did you read that?
- I have a copy here in case anybody wants to look.
- And you can see the slide here.
- It's not in the PowerPoint, but there used to be a slide.
- Questions?
- Go through the same process here?
- Do you have questions, Daniel?
- I just wish -- I know they did a tour of it not too long ago, and I was out of town, so
- I missed it, but I'd still love to see the inside.
- I think it's great to repurpose a building like this.
- So I'm personally very -- I know it flows in the comments, but I was super excited to
- see this.
- So I'm sure everyone knows where my vote will be.
- Does anyone have questions?
- No.
- No questions?
- Could you put the slide back in?
- I'm really keen on the slide.
- There were two of them, actually.
- There was one on either side, and one -- the door was bricked in a long time ago, but I
- don't know when -- They had one of those at my school when I was a kid, and we would climb
- up after hours.
- Yeah.
- When Sarah bought the building, I don't know if the slide still existed or not, honestly.
- I don't know if it was -- It looks like it was replaced with that fire escape.
- Yeah.
- I don't -- Like I said, I don't know if they put that fire escape in or if the slide was
- just gone.
- I mean, I -- Let me rephrase that.
- There may not have been anything when they bought the building.
- Yeah.
- I think you really want to know where it is.
- I don't really want to buy it.
- So you can put it on your house.
- But I can tell you that those who are now grandparents that went to the school have
- said that they had to do fire drills.
- Oh, wow.
- Mm-hmm.
- And that it was horrendous to have to go down that slide.
- That it was really painful.
- Wax paper.
- And because they had cinders at the bottom and you'd hit those, you know.
- I just think that would be correct.
- They left off the alligator pit, though.
- Yeah.
- But I just -- you know, you can get all kinds of stuff.
- I'd put fire down.
- You are part of the problem, sir.
- Jeremy, do you have questions?
- No, I don't.
- Jack, questions?
- Has anyone come out against the historic designation?
- I haven't heard anybody.
- And structurally, it looks structurally solid, is it?
- Does it have any issues we know of?
- Sarah, her company, they've done a complete rehabilitation
- of the building inside and out.
- I mean, it's solid brick.
- I mean, it's solid as can be, but that is the business location.
- So it's an excellent condition.
- When did they do the renovation?
- Oh, my goodness.
- It's been a few years now, actually.
- It was basically completed about the time of the pandemic
- because that's when she wanted to have the open house,
- the initial open house.
- So it was pushed back, like, a couple of years.
- But they worked very hard to retain as much of the interior,
- the original interior finishes as possible.
- Unfortunately, this did first go through a determination
- of eligibility with D.H.P.A.
- That's the first step, you know,
- to make sure that you can go forward with a nomination.
- And they felt that the interior, because of the windows being replaced
- and not having the same fenestration,
- which would have been originally they were metal windows
- with multiple openings now.
- The windows were too altered,
- and they felt like the interior was too altered.
- The second floor, they opened it up.
- They took out walls and made it more loft kind of space.
- So it does not qualify as under architecture, criterion C.
- You know, once it's listed, it's listed.
- You know, it's kind of like having a degree.
- Nobody asks you really where it's from, it's on the password.
- So, you know, it's just kind of semantics.
- Thank you.
- So essentially, the reason that it's, or I guess in my recommendation
- and Danielle's recommendation that we're considering it eligible
- has more to do with the history of the building
- and its role in the community than with its architecture per se,
- even though it does have to have some degree of architectural integrity.
- Have any comments or questions from members of the public?
- Hansenberg School?
- Yeah.
- Great place.
- Yeah, it's on private superlative.
- But no, I have to take my hat off to Sarah and them for saving it.
- Years ago, that was the Carpenter's Hall, which helped define it.
- And Sarah and them have taken a significant amount of integrity
- just to keep it in regards to the exterior,
- because there were several discussions when that came up for sale
- and was done that would never have done what they've done with it.
- So I didn't catch everything.
- I just know it's in this little dead-end area that nobody thinks about
- that still keeps some historical integrity from an individual that just cared,
- as opposed to saying, well, what can I do?
- But the inside was altered really ugly prior to.
- Thank you.
- Mr. Chairman, what form does the motion take?
- As we go to approve the nomination support.
- The nomination support.
- The motion of support.
- We're ready to take a break.
- Make the motion to support.
- Does anybody want to make the motion?
- You're making the motion?
- Yes.
- I'm going to second the motion.
- I'll second.
- Go for the hat trick of seconds.
- Call the roll, lady.
- Are we good?
- Do comments or we're going?
- No.
- Did I miss comments again?
- You did.
- I don't like comments.
- I think the comments, we've sort of had some comments.
- But if anybody has more comments, please have at.
- Great project.
- Jeremy.
- Yeah.
- Thanks for pursuing this.
- Bernard.
- Same.
- I'm excited.
- Yeah, it's kind of a love fest.
- So thank you.
- Nothing contentious.
- It's always the fun part.
- You know, I served on this board for a number of years.
- I know that felt good.
- It's nice to have something that's happy.
- Thank you.
- OK.
- So motion of support?
- Yes means you support.
- OK.
- Ernesto Castaneda?
- Yes.
- Daniel Schlegel?
- Yes.
- Sam Vassaler?
- Yes.
- Reynarda Cross?
- Yes.
- Jack Baker?
- Yes.
- Jeremy Hacker?
- Yes.
- Motion carries 6-0.
- Thank you for your patience.
- Thank you for coming in.
- Is that the end of program?
- No, we actually do have a petitioner for a previous item here.
- I just asked him to unmute.
- This is for COA 2532, 703 East 7th Street.
- Michael, are you there?
- Yes, I am.
- Just a second.
- I'm going to get back to your item.
- So it's 2532.
- That's right.
- OK.
- 703 East 7th Street in the University Courts Historic District.
- Petitioner is Michael Chambly.
- This is a 1915 limestone craftsman house with Italianate features.
- The building has a rear shed addition that the owners and the petitioner are proposing to redo or
- replace with a larger enclosed single-story addition.
- The facade is visible from North Fest Avenue and the parking lot and alley to the north of the
- building.
- The scope of work for this request includes the demolition of the existing roof structure, which is
- 6 by 25 feet at the north end of the existing kitchen.
- Removal of the existing hood and exhaust fan, one existing window, and existing pantry closet.
- Installation of a new flat roof, entry door, and exterior siding.
- Installation of a new kitchen hood, exhaust fan, and makeup air systems.
- Installation of one metal exterior door.
- Materials to be used include LP smart side siding with an 8 inch reveal, primed wood composite lap
- siding, and 5 by 4 smart side trim.
- The roofing will be flat, gray TPO membrane.
- Mechanical installations will include the kitchen hood exhaust fan, similar to the existing one.
- Roof mounted on the new flat roof.
- A makeup air system installed on the ground level with an existing fenced area.
- One 12 by 12 inch supply duct up and through the wall connected to the kitchen hood.
- This is the existing rear addition.
- Staff recommends approval of COA 2532.
- The proposed rear addition would replace a later addition on the rear of the house and would not
- obscure a primary facade.
- It is compatible in scale and materials to the primary structure and is self-supporting and
- distinguishable from the original house.
- Adjacent to a parking lot, its impact on the site would be minimal.
- The replacement addition would be very close in size to the existing addition and the added vent
- would be inconspicuous and located on a minor elevation.
- Does the applicant have anything you'd like to add?
- Is his name Michael?
- Michael.
- That's Chambly.
- He was not muted.
- Okay.
- Is the petitioner still with us?
- Michael?
- He's still there.
- Oh, can you hear me?
- Yes, yes.
- Now we can hear you.
- Do you have anything to answer?
- Yes, I'm available for any questions.
- Thank you.
- Well, let's go into questions.
- Jack, questions?
- Well, yeah, I went past this, what was this addition used for?
- It looks like that fan is big enough for a commercial kitchen.
- It was a six-foot addition to an existing kitchen.
- And that kitchen was inside the main building?
- The kitchen was made.
- Was that original kitchen inside the main building and then this was added on?
- Well, I assume so, but there are plaster walls on the inside of this addition, so it could be even
- older, I don't know.
- And how much larger is the new addition going to be than this is?
- It won't be any larger, it'll be the same size, we're just going to put a flat roof on and take
- away the slump roof to get more ceiling height for the kitchen.
- And you're removing the existing hood and supplies with smaller?
- No, it will remount to the flat roof, which by the way is similar to the front entry roof, which is
- flat.
- And you're going to reuse the fans and as much of, I assume, the AC?
- No, we are going to replace the exhaust fan and the hood.
- With the same size capacity?
- Approximately the same.
- When do we think this addition was actually put on the building, do you have any idea?
- No, I really don't.
- Thank you.
- Jeremy, you have questions?
- No questions for me.
- No questions.
- Daniel?
- Did we just prove something?
- For a front door or lighting in the front on this one or am I thinking?
- That was a minute ago.
- Yeah, there was some front door and lighting.
- That was a couple of years ago.
- Has it really been that long?
- Well, unless I'm just meaning which is entirely possible.
- Okay.
- At least two years.
- Questions?
- I just thought that front look from them, I think we helped with something recently.
- But I guess it's been over two years from what Jeremy said.
- Other questions?
- Yes.
- Hi, Michael.
- Hi, Ernesto.
- Can you tell us a little bit more about the exterior and the finishes of the exterior?
- Are you going to help route the water out?
- Is it going to be the siding painted?
- I was thinking that we would use a lap siding.
- It's similar to, I mean there is wood siding on the bump out right now, the six foot of bump out.
- And we would just be replacing the siding with a horizontal siding and insulating the wall and
- putting new drywall on the end.
- Are you going to do white again or is it going to be a different color?
- I would imagine we would just go white because all the trim is white.
- I see.
- Okay. Thank you Michael.
- Okay. And there is some siding on the attic up here on the top.
- You can see in the, well in the, yeah.
- Do you have any comments or questions from the public or anyone online?
- Hearing none, I will entertain a motion.
- Make the motion to approve COA, was it 2532?
- Alright, and I see a second from Jeremy.
- Discussion? Comments? Remembering this time, Jack?
- Jeremy.
- Yeah, it's on the back of the building.
- It's not really affecting the historical significance of it, so I'm in support.
- No issues.
- Okay, I've got no issues.
- I think from the public, we went there.
- I'm going to call the roll.
- Okay. Ernesto Castaneda?
- Yes.
- Daniel Schlegel?
- Yes.
- Amanda Soller? Yes.
- Reynard Cross? Yes.
- Jack Baker? Yes.
- Jeremy Hackard? Yes.
- Motion carries 6-0.
- Thank you, Michael.
- Great, thank you very much.
- Have a good night.
- You too.
- Do we have any other cases that we bumped or is that?
- No, there's two others.
- So what happens to those two if the people aren't here?
- If the people aren't here, are they up against the clock?
- I think it's considered to action and it's bumped.
- Right.
- So that resets the clock.
- Yeah, because it's considered to action.
- Thank you.
- Is anybody here for another agenda item?
- Is anyone online here for another agenda item?
- All right.
- Shower.
- There's the first.
- Okay, so the two agenda items that we did not hear tonight were
- COA 2526 for the replacement railings and the light post and
- COA 2529 for the rear addition to the showers administrative building.
- So since the petitioner was not here, these will be continued to
- the next meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission.
- All business.
- So, we normally do outstanding violations for the first meeting
- of the month.
- Since this was a special meeting, we're actually going to do those
- for the first regularly scheduled meeting this month.
- So we're not going to do those this time around.
- Good morning, updates, everyone.
- New business, I actually have a few items, mostly Daniel related.
- The History Center is going to be having an exhibit opening tomorrow
- evening at 530 for a project that, you know, the History Center and
- Liz have been working on about African American history on the
- Midwest side.
- So I don't know if there's anything you'd want to add about that.
- It's part of the new walking tour brochure.
- So no, you just had how many?
- A lot?
- I just printed 500.
- 500 of those?
- We've given away a bunch.
- You can bring some more tomorrow.
- In a good way.
- Good.
- We'll need some more.
- But it's related to that.
- So we're super excited about that opening.
- So we hope anyone that's able to make it can make it.
- It's open to the public and everyone.
- Feel free to come on out.
- Does that mean you're booting us out of the conference room at 5.30?
- Oh yeah, most definitely.
- There's free food in the conference room.
- Then we'll stick around, the good stuff.
- What's happening tomorrow?
- We have our monthly subcommittee for meetings to talk about district guidelines basically.
- Which district?
- This one I think will probably be Elm Heights, yeah?
- They were invited.
- There's also Maple. Maple Heights?
- Maple Heights.
- So anything with Heights in it?
- It's all fair game.
- Which site?
- That's at 4.
- That's first Thursday of every month at 4 at the History Center so long as they will put up with us.
- Commissioner comments?
- My only one is the garage sale coming up that supports the History Center.
- We sell full-size garages, yes.
- But it's literally nearly one acre under roof so it is much bigger than a garage but it's a big
- part of our budget.
- It's almost 30% of our budget so they're all items donated so it's on Wednesday, June 11th
- and then public days are the Friday the 13th so just come out just because of that.
- And then Saturday the 14th from 8 to 4 each of those days.
- What happens on the 11th?
- The 11th, if you have a membership to the History Center or all cook employees they get in a day
- early.
- And you can't even tell like when you come in on Friday it's so full you can't even tell people are
- already in there it's nuts.
- In a good way.
- On Friday and Saturday it's 8 until 4.
- And member day just goes later it's 8 until 6.
- Any Commissioner comments?
- You had an email just recently that was an event that we could attend.
- Could you expand on that a bit?
- Sure. This is going to be in August.
- Some of you may have attended camp last year at the annual state conference.
- So this is the National Alliance of Preservation Commissions.
- Hosts regular sort of sessions and workshops.
- This summer there's going to be a program for members of Historic Preservation Commissions to learn
- about a variety of topics related to stuff ranging from review procedures to coming up with
- guidelines to advocacy and so forth.
- So if that's something that you're interested in, email me about it and that's something that you
- can get reimbursement for.
- This is going to be online. So if you're not able to attend when the talks are being held, if you've
- signed up for it, then you should be able to view them, view recordings afterwards.
- And commissioners are supposed to do a certain amount of education.
- Right, at least half of our commissioners have to be educated in something this year or else I'm in
- trouble.
- That's every year. That's every year. I was not in trouble last year. You guys were fine.
- Is there going to be a preservation conference, the state preservation conference?
- There will be. It's going to be in September or October. I should get back to you guys.
- Yeah. So I don't have information about specific events for that yet. There is going to be a
- commission related event.
- I remember last year a couple of people got tickets to attend events outside of that, which was
- great.
- There's always a lot of really interesting talks. So I want to get more specific information about
- that.
- It's going to be in Fort Wayne. I'll send that out to you guys.
- Great. Thank you.
- I think that there are no further comments. We are adjourned. Thank you all for coming.
- Thank you.
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