WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.000 - All right. It is five o'clock, and I would like to call the order of the Wednesday, June 4th, 2025, 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.000 - looking to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order. 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:15.470 - Before we start the roll, I just want to thank everybody for coming, because this was a previously 00:00:15.470 --> 00:00:16.000 - unscheduled meeting. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:21.000 - We're trying to get some expedited stuff out the door, and there's some stuff that would clock out 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:22.000 - if you all were not here. 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:28.000 - So thank you all for coming. I'm incredibly grateful to all of you. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.000 - Daddy, would you call the roll? - Sure. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.000 - Elizabeth Mitchell? 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.000 - Ernesto Castaneda? - Here. 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:37.000 - Daniel Schlegel? - Here. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.000 - Sam DeSaller? - Here. 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:41.000 - Reynard Cross? - Here. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.000 - Jack Baker? - Here. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.000 - Jeremy Hackard? - Here. 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.000 - Melody Dusner? 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 - Duncan Campbell? 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.000 - Karen Duffy? 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.000 - Okay. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:01:02.000 - All right. I would like to hear a motion on the minutes. Does anyone have any changes? 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 - I'll move to approve. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.000 - I have a second. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 - I second. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 - Go to the roll. 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:14.000 - Okay. Ernesto Castaneda? 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:15.000 - Yes. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.000 - Daniel Schlegel? 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.000 - Yes. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.000 - Sam DeSaller? 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:20.000 - Yes. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:21.000 - Raynard Cross? 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.000 - Yes. 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:28.560 - Jack Baker yes, Jeremy hacker. Yes motion carries six zero 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:42.960 - We get the statement usually that comes after staff stuff doesn't I could do it now too 00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:50.000 - Okay, all right 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:53.340 - As far as coa 2530 00:01:53.340 --> 00:01:58.120 - 917 North Fairview Street in the Maple Heights Historic District 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.520 - petitioner is Daniel Weddle in 00:02:01.520 --> 00:02:07.600 - May 2023 petitioner Daniel Weddle received coa 2329 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:12.300 - For the construction of an adu in his backyard at 917 North Fairview 00:02:12.300 --> 00:02:17.770 - Work on the project has been ongoing, but the applicant wishes to revise some features of the 00:02:17.770 --> 00:02:18.560 - original plan 00:02:19.320 --> 00:02:24.000 - Including changes to the fenestration patterns and removal of an exterior staircase from the east 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:24.600 - elevation 00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:29.670 - The building was conditionally approved provided that the applicant continue to work with staff and 00:02:29.670 --> 00:02:33.560 - the Commission to balance creative design with guideline recommendations 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:37.800 - Several amendments to the original coa have subsequently been approved 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:50.590 - This request includes alterations to window design on three elevations an alternative choice of 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:51.280 - garage door 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.840 - And the removal of a proposed exterior staircase 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:08.080 - The staff approves the planned alterations proposed in coa 2530 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.960 - the altered plan 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.120 - Plans presented constitute a fairly minor change to the previously approved plans 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.240 - And would be minimally visible from the public right-of-way from the alley to the north of the law 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:29.120 - Okay is Daniel here 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:33.480 - Since this is already a staff approved thing it is 00:03:37.160 --> 00:03:41.760 - Are there any other staff? I know just found one. All right, so at this point in the meeting the 00:03:41.760 --> 00:03:43.760 - historic preservation commission 00:03:43.760 --> 00:03:47.320 - We hear petitioners for certificates of appropriateness 00:03:47.320 --> 00:03:53.990 - Followed by demolition delays for each item the historic preservation program manager will first 00:03:53.990 --> 00:03:55.600 - present a staff report 00:03:55.600 --> 00:03:57.960 - We'll then hear if the petitioner has any additional information 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.400 - Followed by a round of questions from each commissioner 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:06.780 - We ask that petitioners the public and commissioners refrain from speaking and tell a trust by the 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:07.140 - chair 00:04:07.300 --> 00:04:12.190 - Unless a question is directly addressed to them if a member of the public or a petitioner wishes to 00:04:12.190 --> 00:04:12.740 - comment 00:04:12.740 --> 00:04:17.860 - Please raise your hand until recognized by the chair upon completion of public comments 00:04:17.860 --> 00:04:21.960 - The chair will entertain motions from the commissioners regarding the relevant certificate of 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:23.660 - appropriateness or demolition delay 00:04:23.660 --> 00:04:28.300 - Once a motion is made by a commissioner the chair then opens up discussion of the item 00:04:28.300 --> 00:04:31.940 - The members of the commission only the chair will call a vote 00:04:32.460 --> 00:04:36.540 - Once each commissioner has been given a chance to comment on the motion. We encourage all 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:38.660 - commissioners petitioners and 00:04:38.660 --> 00:04:42.120 - Members of the public to be civil and respectful at all times 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:48.060 - The coa 2526 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:54.980 - Petitioner is ace of holly. This is for 1018 East Wiley in the Elm Heights historic district 00:04:54.980 --> 00:05:00.620 - 1018 East Wiley is a two-story brick colonial revival house built in 1930 00:05:01.060 --> 00:05:04.780 - It demonstrates a high degree of integrity but has some replacement site features 00:05:04.780 --> 00:05:07.980 - including aluminum railings and a steel lamp post 00:05:07.980 --> 00:05:15.280 - The request is and I quote we would like to replace two non-original metal handrails leading up to 00:05:15.280 --> 00:05:15.580 - the 00:05:15.580 --> 00:05:18.740 - sidewalk leading up from the sidewalk to the front yard 00:05:18.740 --> 00:05:21.300 - and 00:05:21.300 --> 00:05:22.700 - from the 00:05:22.700 --> 00:05:27.840 - Front yard steps up to the front entrance. The current ones are very wobbly and seem to be from an 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:28.880 - inexpensive kit 00:05:29.260 --> 00:05:33.100 - We would like to replace the handrails with black powder covered metal railings 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:38.210 - Fabricated by the same contractor who recently installed them for our neighbors across the street 00:05:38.210 --> 00:05:39.700 - at 1019 East Wiley 00:05:39.700 --> 00:05:45.900 - The style would be the same as the ones they put in a picture included though. We would probably 00:05:45.900 --> 00:05:46.900 - modify it if needed 00:05:46.900 --> 00:05:56.950 - We would also like to replace the non-original post light next to the handrail on the stairs by the 00:05:56.950 --> 00:05:57.660 - sidewalk 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:01.460 - Again, the existing one is made from a flimsy inexpensive material 00:06:01.460 --> 00:06:05.950 - We would like to get a sturdier more visually attractive one that would mit match the Georgian 00:06:05.950 --> 00:06:06.940 - style of the home 00:06:06.940 --> 00:06:21.780 - The staff recommends approval of coa 2526 00:06:22.300 --> 00:06:28.620 - The current railings and lamp post are not likely original to the house and the proposed replacements 00:06:28.620 --> 00:06:29.580 - are of a style material 00:06:29.580 --> 00:06:31.980 - compatible with the house and the district 00:06:31.980 --> 00:06:36.620 - Is the petitioner present 00:06:36.620 --> 00:06:44.820 - This is the petitioner online 00:06:44.820 --> 00:06:46.820 - I 00:06:46.820 --> 00:06:59.540 - See anybody respond all right, let's bump that to the end and see if they show up 00:06:59.540 --> 00:07:08.940 - So moving on 00:07:10.620 --> 00:07:16.780 - 1200 North Lincoln in the Garden Hill Historic District, this is coa 2527 00:07:16.780 --> 00:07:31.840 - 1200 North Lincoln is a small it's not an altered gable. L. It said that in the shard. I don't 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:32.380 - think it is 00:07:32.380 --> 00:07:34.700 - It's a small 00:07:34.700 --> 00:07:37.380 - altered cottage with an enclosed front front porch 00:07:38.060 --> 00:07:41.920 - Part of the limestone retaining wall has been replaced with cement block and most of the original 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:43.960 - exterior materials appear to be missing 00:07:43.960 --> 00:07:50.540 - In February 25 a previous proposal for the addition of a second story was denied under coa 2510 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:55.540 - There is a limestone retaining wall and two mature trees at the southern end of the lot 00:07:55.540 --> 00:07:59.740 - The proposal outlines the addition 00:07:59.740 --> 00:08:05.880 - To an existing single-story home expanding the bedroom and bathroom count from two bedrooms in one 00:08:05.880 --> 00:08:06.180 - bath 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:08.660 - To four bedrooms for baths 00:08:08.660 --> 00:08:12.880 - The project will achieve this by adding a small addition to the south side of the house while 00:08:12.880 --> 00:08:13.980 - maintaining the homes 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:21.780 - Existing footprint using similar exterior materials and ensuring the design remains consistent with 00:08:21.780 --> 00:08:24.100 - the architectural style of the surrounding neighborhood 00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:26.100 - I 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:40.220 - Not sure if that site plan is the latest one 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:44.060 - That's not just 00:08:44.060 --> 00:08:47.460 - The latest one should be your packet. Yeah 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:51.700 - Which reflects as you see here 00:08:53.420 --> 00:08:55.420 - An alternative plan 00:08:55.420 --> 00:09:12.340 - Staff recommends approval of coa 2526 2527 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:24.160 - The proposed addition is set back 12 feet 7 inches from the front facade leaving the side window on 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:25.540 - the gable visible 00:09:25.540 --> 00:09:27.500 - in addition 00:09:27.500 --> 00:09:31.220 - The addition is differentiated from and subordinate to the original house 00:09:31.220 --> 00:09:35.820 - Overall, the addition is slightly under 400 square feet which would bring the total floor area to 00:09:35.820 --> 00:09:37.780 - approximately 1200 square feet 00:09:37.780 --> 00:09:43.020 - The proposed materials are consistent with existing materials on the house and district guidelines 00:09:43.820 --> 00:09:48.500 - Two points that will require careful consideration are the effects of the addition on the massing 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:50.200 - of that and outlining of the house 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:59.720 - Some contributing houses in the immediate context like 303 East 16th Street and 1125 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:04.100 - North Lincoln have modest side addition set back from the front a 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:09.100 - Goal with additions visible from the public right-of-way is to avoid overwhelming the scale and 00:10:09.100 --> 00:10:11.780 - proportion of the structure and surrounding buildings 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:18.570 - Additionally the effect of construction on mature trees and the stone retaining wall would have a 00:10:18.570 --> 00:10:20.800 - not insignificant impact on the streetscape 00:10:20.800 --> 00:10:24.960 - the revised plans presented for COA 2527 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.300 - Submitted for the June 4th agenda have a more modest effect on the primary facade and landscape 00:10:30.300 --> 00:10:33.300 - Maintaining the overall character of the original house 00:10:33.300 --> 00:10:37.020 - Does the petitioner of anything they'd like to add 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:46.800 - Questions check no questions. No questions 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:58.240 - Yes, I was making sure I'm getting them the right house did the do they have a design review 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.360 - committee that weighed in or anything? 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.740 - Okay, I 00:11:04.740 --> 00:11:06.740 - received some comments about 00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:11.500 - The next design that's coming up as well as the previous design for this location 00:11:12.460 --> 00:11:16.340 - That was included in the May 22nd meeting that was wasn't held 00:11:16.340 --> 00:11:23.980 - So I haven't received comments for the design that's presented here 00:11:23.980 --> 00:11:32.420 - I have a question for the petitioner 00:11:32.420 --> 00:11:35.220 - so the rendering 00:11:35.220 --> 00:11:39.540 - Looks significantly different on the front porch than the existing front porch 00:11:39.540 --> 00:11:41.820 - But I wanted to clarify if you go to the plan 00:11:41.820 --> 00:11:47.830 - The bubbled area on the plan. Is that the only portion of the house that's undergoing renovation, 00:11:47.830 --> 00:11:48.280 - right? 00:11:48.280 --> 00:11:50.900 - Thank you. All right 00:11:50.900 --> 00:11:55.540 - Members the public or the design review committee if you want to 00:11:55.540 --> 00:12:00.820 - We thought it was really unattractive 00:12:00.820 --> 00:12:05.860 - And that about sums it up 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:10.460 - Do you have any 00:12:10.460 --> 00:12:16.220 - Specific criticism other than it being unattractive any constructive 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:33.380 - Situation we got 00:12:33.380 --> 00:12:36.780 - Within for the only people in this room 00:12:36.780 --> 00:12:47.740 - In the purpose of these buildings which always seem to get lost in these discussions, which 00:12:47.740 --> 00:12:51.700 - Often are about aesthetics, you know 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:54.940 - Real life 00:12:54.940 --> 00:13:01.700 - That's my comment on 12 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:04.700 - I 00:13:04.700 --> 00:13:06.900 - Hear you on the next one as well, sir. Thank you 00:13:06.900 --> 00:13:11.700 - Do I hear a motion 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:17.940 - I'll move to approve 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:19.500 - second 00:13:19.500 --> 00:13:21.860 - All right discussion comments 00:13:21.860 --> 00:13:24.660 - And also any comments 00:13:24.660 --> 00:13:28.700 - Daniel comments 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:31.420 - Not yet 00:13:32.180 --> 00:13:35.140 - Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I know do you have comments? 00:13:35.140 --> 00:13:40.980 - No, but I I 00:13:40.980 --> 00:13:52.060 - Would like to get a better sense though, I know you said you can't add to just on attractive 00:13:52.060 --> 00:13:55.620 - But is there any 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:59.580 - More that if you try really hard you can 00:14:00.620 --> 00:14:05.020 - Describe what it is about this that turns you off 00:14:05.020 --> 00:14:19.780 - I hate to say this. I don't know if this is under you 00:14:19.780 --> 00:14:25.980 - But there's no landscaping at all. There's nothing to soften 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:29.340 - this house 00:14:29.900 --> 00:14:34.400 - That retaining wall is going to be all 00:14:34.400 --> 00:14:43.780 - Cement block now and those trees will be gone and it will significantly change 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:49.660 - The outward appearance of the house and make it more stark 00:14:49.660 --> 00:14:53.060 - Does that help? 00:14:53.060 --> 00:14:55.220 - Yes, thank you 00:14:57.220 --> 00:15:00.820 - Jeremy your comments no 00:15:00.820 --> 00:15:07.580 - Jack I agree with the staff 00:15:07.580 --> 00:15:10.500 - okay, I 00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:12.620 - guess to address some of the 00:15:12.620 --> 00:15:15.200 - resident comments the HPC 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:20.750 - Sort of has a limited purview about what we can review and what we can't review and we're looking 00:15:20.750 --> 00:15:23.100 - at what happens on the outside of building 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:26.280 - Not what they stick in there not what the zoning is 00:15:27.280 --> 00:15:29.480 - So we do what we can do 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:33.640 - But if something 00:15:33.640 --> 00:15:41.660 - Complies with the guidelines and granted I do agree with the comments that this is 00:15:41.660 --> 00:15:46.660 - Lacking a lot of windows and I think the petitioner will eventually be sad. They don't have any 00:15:46.660 --> 00:15:48.200 - windows in their bathrooms 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:55.040 - That's not something we necessarily have purview over unless it's reflected in the guidelines 00:15:55.800 --> 00:15:57.800 - so 00:15:57.800 --> 00:16:01.700 - At this point, you know, I'm Daniel 00:16:01.700 --> 00:16:08.980 - Was there somebody else over there? No, I thought you wanted wanted to come back to you. Oh sure 00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:17.400 - Certainly, I do notice the difference and in those drawings compared to the existing photographs 00:16:17.400 --> 00:16:20.040 - It looks different. What is if you look at that? 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:26.200 - Looks like they're modifying the little vestibule entrance on the front of the house 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:32.730 - Yeah, I actually asked a question earlier to clarify that with the petitioner and the plan at the 00:16:32.730 --> 00:16:33.620 - addition 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:36.280 - They stated that's the only thing they're modifying 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:54.300 - Yeah, that's right. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, I mean comments 00:16:54.300 --> 00:16:59.880 - Make right the point where we will call the vote 00:16:59.880 --> 00:17:04.390 - Unless I don't hear anything further. Is there anybody on line or any other members of the public 00:17:04.390 --> 00:17:05.340 - have comments? 00:17:05.340 --> 00:17:13.940 - Okay, you call it we're ready Ernesto Castaneda no 00:17:15.760 --> 00:17:17.520 - Daniel Schlegel 00:17:17.520 --> 00:17:19.080 - Yes 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:21.080 - Sam de Saller. Yes 00:17:21.080 --> 00:17:23.320 - Renard cross. Yes 00:17:23.320 --> 00:17:25.440 - Jack Baker. Yes 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.680 - Jeremy hacker. Yes 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:29.720 - motion carries five one 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:37.920 - Next item 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:39.920 - same petitioner same district 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.320 - 1202 North Lincoln 00:17:42.320 --> 00:17:43.880 - this is 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:45.880 - COA 2528 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.440 - 1202 North Lincoln is a significant significantly altered 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:57.720 - 1926 bungalow with a half enclosed front porch and a rear addition from the 70s 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.820 - The proposal outlines the addition of a second 00:18:01.820 --> 00:18:03.820 - That's 00:18:03.820 --> 00:18:19.740 - Anyway, the proposal here is for a rear addition that I will show you now 00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:25.380 - This is 00:18:25.380 --> 00:18:28.660 - The houses it exists you can see the 00:18:29.620 --> 00:18:34.020 - Later addition on the rear slightly offset to the side 00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:43.440 - The proposed addition will also be somewhat offset from that in the opposite direction 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:48.540 - Somewhat visible from the street 00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:50.540 - I 00:18:50.540 --> 00:19:12.020 - Staff recommends, I'm sorry. I was looking back at the 00:19:16.620 --> 00:19:18.620 - Okay 00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:28.540 - Staff recommends approval of coa 2528 00:19:28.540 --> 00:19:34.340 - the proposed rear addition of 1202 North Lincoln Street is modest in scale and 00:19:34.340 --> 00:19:38.690 - Slightly offset from the alignment of the main structure as is recommended in the district 00:19:38.690 --> 00:19:39.380 - guidelines 00:19:39.380 --> 00:19:46.460 - It's minimally visible from the public right of way and would match material design and fenestration 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:48.700 - Patterns established in the existing house 00:19:48.700 --> 00:20:03.940 - Questions 00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:13.460 - What's the height 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:16.100 - I 00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:22.580 - Mean it looks like it's gonna be exactly the same there's no major that same as we're where the 00:20:22.580 --> 00:20:24.940 - addition will meet the existing 00:20:24.940 --> 00:20:31.620 - Jack do you have any questions? Yes, this 00:20:31.620 --> 00:20:36.500 - If you could go back a couple of 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:40.980 - Pages to the point where we have this roof line. It's very hard 00:20:41.540 --> 00:20:47.740 - I just want to ask what happens to that is that being torn off completely redone? 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:49.700 - I 00:20:49.700 --> 00:20:51.940 - Can't tell from these drawings where it is 00:20:51.940 --> 00:20:57.900 - And putting it together on the elevations it it looks like it disappears and 00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:01.660 - Is a new roof line? That's a very good question 00:21:01.660 --> 00:21:08.020 - Ideally, it would be great if it could be removed and continued on the whole idea 00:21:08.020 --> 00:21:13.240 - Would be to keep the front half of the house the gable and then the porch gable completely intact 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:19.020 - Ideally, it would be nice to replace that section of kind of scabbed-on looking roof 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:25.740 - But it could be it could also be left if that was if that was what needed to happen where and then 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:26.620 - the addition was 00:21:26.620 --> 00:21:31.660 - All the roofing piece that was added. I guess we're open to that 00:21:31.660 --> 00:21:34.860 - And kind of hard to show 00:21:34.860 --> 00:21:36.980 - It was difficult to show that 00:21:37.340 --> 00:21:40.860 - Exists modification and in rendering forms 00:21:40.860 --> 00:21:43.620 - But a good question 00:21:43.620 --> 00:21:50.760 - I'm not suggesting that it remain. In fact, I would suggest it not remain but I'm just trying to 00:21:50.760 --> 00:21:52.300 - resolve it with the 00:21:52.300 --> 00:22:00.980 - The elevations that were being shown here I don't see where it flows into that or 00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:07.100 - if the sides of it are possibly being taken off the roofline maintained or 00:22:07.420 --> 00:22:10.020 - Just how it fits it looks like there's a slight 00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:13.820 - Discontinuity in the roof, but nothing like that 00:22:13.820 --> 00:22:19.660 - so I'm assuming that that's it's coming off of yeah, we're gonna flow into the 00:22:19.660 --> 00:22:25.580 - New addition in a more fluid manner. It would need to come off in that little dormer that you see 00:22:25.580 --> 00:22:26.860 - about halfway back 00:22:26.860 --> 00:22:32.490 - That's facing south would would stay with the new gable roof line that would continue on to the 00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:34.260 - back and cover the addition 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:39.980 - Mm-hmm, so the appearance of just a longer a longer house 00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:47.220 - you look at the north a little bit, but then the rear gable would be offset with the offset of the 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:50.180 - addition 00:22:50.180 --> 00:22:57.540 - There's my questions were also related to that as 00:22:57.540 --> 00:23:03.380 - It does look like the the plans which have bumpouts 00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:10.500 - Don't necessarily were are they're not reflected in the elevations or the renderings so I find that 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:10.860 - the 00:23:10.860 --> 00:23:18.620 - Whole application a little bit confusing as to what it is you're trying to do 00:23:18.620 --> 00:23:29.100 - But I think we can get to that in and the discussion do we have comments from members of the public 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:39.900 - This was especially unattractive comparing the two 00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:48.900 - I'm worried that the entrance is going to be changed and 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:55.460 - Probably should be the west elevation in particular 00:23:55.460 --> 00:23:59.940 - Unseen 00:24:00.620 --> 00:24:02.620 - That's 00:24:02.620 --> 00:24:26.380 - This was another case where I think would be helpful to get clarification as to 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:29.780 - whether this rear addition is going to be 00:24:30.260 --> 00:24:32.260 - The tires go before proposed 00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:36.220 - Are you going to modify the front entry the front porch? 00:24:36.220 --> 00:24:41.780 - The end on the exterior of the home nothing will be touched except for the rear or the additional 00:24:41.780 --> 00:24:44.780 - Everything that you see in that photo 00:24:44.780 --> 00:24:47.540 - Would remain unchanged 00:24:47.540 --> 00:24:52.500 - So I 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:56.540 - Think we got two choices here I 00:24:56.540 --> 00:24:58.900 - mean 00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:01.260 - My take on this I'm going to be a little bit 00:25:01.260 --> 00:25:04.940 - editorial 00:25:04.940 --> 00:25:08.060 - Is that the packet we have before us does not? 00:25:08.060 --> 00:25:10.580 - reflect 00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:15.940 - Clearly what the petitioner is trying to do and if you would be willing? 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:19.980 - to come back with some elevations that 00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:28.260 - Described what exactly is you're trying to do with that rear addition and you know clarify that you're 00:25:28.260 --> 00:25:28.860 - not going to 00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:34.580 - How it ties into the existing I think Jack's comment that that 00:25:34.580 --> 00:25:41.930 - Very awkward roof on the back comes off. It would be lovely. I think you'll get a lot of mileage 00:25:41.930 --> 00:25:43.020 - with us if you 00:25:43.020 --> 00:25:49.700 - Maintain those two gables on the north and south sides of the house and then hit into those 00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:55.940 - so because I think those are sort of character defining elements of the house and 00:25:56.980 --> 00:25:59.380 - maintain as many of the existing windows because 00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:06.140 - When I look at the renderings versus the existing photographs, there's a lot of 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:09.500 - discrepancies between 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:11.500 - window sizes and 00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:14.900 - roof and bump ins and bump outs 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:18.660 - So if you'd be willing to look very carefully at your plan 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:23.220 - Which I don't really have issue with and just make sure that translates to the 00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:26.060 - elevations 00:26:26.620 --> 00:26:29.580 - We had to see you again next time around, okay 00:26:29.580 --> 00:26:37.420 - So we need a motion 00:26:37.420 --> 00:26:42.940 - We can we I mean we can move to what's the clock on this one 00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:49.020 - It's set to expire. I think tomorrow. All right, so I think what we're gonna do without prejudice 00:26:49.020 --> 00:26:53.140 - We're gonna deny you and then you can come back and we'll we'll go through it again 00:26:54.540 --> 00:26:57.300 - That's that's that's just yeah, that's just a 00:26:57.300 --> 00:27:00.540 - Give us time to get over all our ducks in line 00:27:00.540 --> 00:27:14.780 - All right, would you call the roll 00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:21.740 - Ernesto Castaneda 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:23.980 - This is to do no, oh yes 00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:32.080 - Just to be clear voting to the we're voting to deny but he's able to come back 00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:37.220 - Yeah, this is just we got a reset the clock 00:27:37.220 --> 00:27:44.020 - Made to deny so a yes vote is to deny the petition 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:46.180 - Come back anybody 00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:57.780 - Same disorder. Yes, Raynard Cross Jack Baker. Yes, Jeremy Hacker 00:27:57.780 --> 00:28:04.260 - Harry motion to deny carry six zero. Thank you. Appreciate it 00:28:04.260 --> 00:28:08.380 - Thank you both for coming in as well appreciate you 00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:10.900 - Thank you 00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:23.220 - Next item COA 25 29. This is for 601 North Morton Street the showers administrative building 00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:27.260 - Petitioner is Lucas Brown 00:28:27.260 --> 00:28:31.980 - The Shower's Furniture Company administrative building is a 1916 office building 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:35.740 - Is the petitioner here? 00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:37.740 - Oh 00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:48.020 - Luke I don't know. I'll get it. It's good. You're gonna get it 00:28:48.020 --> 00:28:52.860 - But back to the end as well 00:28:52.860 --> 00:29:03.160 - I like that one. I think that one's interesting. Yeah, okay 00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:06.120 - Yeah 00:29:06.120 --> 00:29:10.200 - Here we go COA 25 31 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.880 - 720 West 11th Street in the Maple Heights Historic District 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.480 - Petitioner is here 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.600 - Thomas doglione 00:29:20.600 --> 00:29:23.560 - This is a circa 00:29:23.560 --> 00:29:26.080 - 1900 gabled Owl House 00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:29.160 - With a rear kitchen addition from the mid 20th century 00:29:30.040 --> 00:29:34.440 - Most of its exterior features have been replaced except for the front porch windows and doors 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.820 - It is situated on a corner lot at the intersection of 11th Street and Maple 00:29:38.820 --> 00:29:43.080 - This request is for the replacement of 00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:46.080 - existing windows with 00:29:46.080 --> 00:29:51.640 - White vinyl windows double hung except on the kitchen addition where sliding windows would be used 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.700 - The replacement windows would be within a couple of inches of the dimensions of the windows 00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.000 - currently installed 00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:00.800 - So 00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:08.960 - These are the kitchen windows on the addition which would be replaced with sliding windows 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.720 - Of approximately the same dimensions as the overall opening 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:25.360 - Existing frames for other portions of the house 00:30:25.360 --> 00:30:27.360 - And 00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:32.200 - Location on the corner lot 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.600 - Staff recommends approval of coa 00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:42.560 - 2531 the repose replacement windows would match the dimensions of the existing windows on the house 00:30:42.560 --> 00:30:42.920 - and 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:50.800 - the sliding windows are proposed for the later rear addition while the Mabel Heights neighborhood 00:30:50.800 --> 00:30:51.680 - association is 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.800 - drafting a more comprehensive list of guidelines 00:30:54.360 --> 00:30:58.730 - that have not yet been approved by the Historic Preservation Commission the current guidelines 00:30:58.730 --> 00:30:59.800 - drafted for the 00:30:59.800 --> 00:31:04.720 - Conservation district are modeled significantly on those of the near westside historic district 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:10.160 - Which recommend replacement of windows with the same dimensions and configuration if not the same 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.160 - materials 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.020 - Does the petitioner of anything you'd like to know 00:31:15.020 --> 00:31:17.680 - I mean, it's a learning experience over here 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.300 - Really is an adventure 00:31:22.300 --> 00:31:31.620 - Questions Jackie have questions. Yeah 00:31:31.620 --> 00:31:37.440 - couple questions all the windows appear to be like three over ones 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.220 - these things 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:43.180 - Um store windows 00:31:44.020 --> 00:31:46.020 - And there's no man, I think they're 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:59.600 - Got the house in like 1950 and he rolled the woodshed onto the house and made it a kitchen 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:06.700 - I believe is that one in the south bedroom though last original one. Yes 00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:15.220 - Are they all of this type with three upper one lowest they are 00:32:15.220 --> 00:32:17.880 - Every window in the house is that way now 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:29.580 - And what are there's double payment they have no storm windows where they ask me 00:32:29.580 --> 00:32:32.420 - What style are they? 00:32:32.420 --> 00:32:36.900 - Basically the same style. I guess I should picture that before you 00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:41.860 - There's an existing photograph. Yeah, I mean I think what he's asking is the top 00:32:41.860 --> 00:32:46.580 - Sash divided into three little windows, or are they just like one big window? 00:32:46.580 --> 00:32:50.900 - The three replaced took out the three 00:32:50.900 --> 00:33:06.780 - How we're talking about them 00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:12.260 - Differing in size slightly. I'd like to get a kind of an idea. What does that mean two inches one 00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:14.140 - inch a half inch six inches? 00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:32.700 - The existing rough opening 00:33:33.260 --> 00:33:35.260 - Oh 00:33:35.260 --> 00:33:41.100 - Thank you 00:33:41.100 --> 00:33:46.220 - Okay, thank you very much 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:50.300 - Then you have questions 00:33:50.300 --> 00:33:52.380 - questions 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:57.340 - Do we have any comments or anything from the public or anyone online? Oh 00:33:57.340 --> 00:34:02.540 - I guess I retract that do it did the neighborhood have any comments? 00:34:03.540 --> 00:34:08.930 - So they're changing their guidelines up. Yeah, they're updating them. We're meeting with them 00:34:08.930 --> 00:34:11.480 - tomorrow. Oh, are you? Yes, sir 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:17.940 - I don't know if they show it might be Elm Heights. Yeah 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:26.420 - This won't really affect what is you're doing but the guidelines in the future if you do another 00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:26.860 - one 00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:28.860 - I 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:38.620 - Will fill them in but if you want if you want contact information I can give you there's a 00:34:38.620 --> 00:34:40.980 - neighborhood, you know email 00:34:41.220 --> 00:34:43.220 - Sir 00:34:43.220 --> 00:34:58.540 - See it's too crazy or whatever 00:34:58.540 --> 00:35:00.540 - I 00:35:00.540 --> 00:35:18.380 - Think we're at the point where we can entertain emotion 00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:26.340 - Do I have a second 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.340 - Daniel 00:35:28.340 --> 00:35:30.780 - Jeremy and then Daniel second 00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:34.640 - Discussion 00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:37.180 - Meaning to order 00:35:37.180 --> 00:35:40.660 - Jeremy you have thoughts 00:35:40.660 --> 00:35:45.140 - Daniel 00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:50.300 - Yeah, I think I think the only thing I think it's very interesting 00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:54.580 - That it's a woodshed that was propped up against the back of the house 00:35:54.580 --> 00:35:56.580 - Well, you can see there's a 00:35:56.580 --> 00:36:02.140 - Right after I had to replace and I had to build a frame in there because the wood was slack wood 00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:07.920 - Yeah, I had to rebuild a frame to replace a couple. Well, my dad had a grocery store across the 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.540 - street for 00:36:08.540 --> 00:36:11.180 - They had for a year to build the 00:36:11.180 --> 00:36:16.980 - Grocery until like 1965 and he ran it after he got out of World War II 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:21.540 - That he traded that that was the Christian Center 00:36:22.180 --> 00:36:25.260 - and he traded it for two pieces of property on the street 00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:27.900 - I got the abstract at home 00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:32.900 - It's interesting kind of to read it 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.900 - Well, the grocery is still standing too, which is handy 00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:40.900 - It's apartments now that they kind of run the old building store 00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:45.900 - I had one other question for you. Are you going to sort of keep the trim like it is? 00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:49.900 - Well, I wanted to match when I had the other windows 00:36:49.900 --> 00:36:52.900 - which then I want to have an exterior 00:36:52.900 --> 00:36:55.900 - I would like to keep the wood, but the wood's kind of really 00:36:55.900 --> 00:37:00.900 - Well, just match the size and size of it as on the rest of the existing house 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.900 - Yes 00:37:01.900 --> 00:37:02.900 - Okay, that makes sense 00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:03.900 - Is that fine? 00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:04.900 - That's perfect 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:05.900 - Okay 00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:06.900 - That's perfect 00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:11.900 - I'd like to keep it that way, but it's so the wood's, you can just put your finger into it 00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:15.900 - Yes, that's time to upgrade it 00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:20.900 - I think if there's no further discussion, I think we can call the roll 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:21.900 - Okay 00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.900 - Ernesto Castaneda 00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:25.900 - Yes 00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:27.900 - Daniel Schlegel 00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:28.900 - Yes 00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:29.900 - Sam DeSaller 00:37:29.900 --> 00:37:30.900 - Yes 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.900 - Bernard Cross 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:32.900 - Yes 00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:33.900 - Jack Baker 00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:34.900 - Yes 00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:35.900 - Jeremy Hackard 00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:36.900 - Yes 00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:37.900 - Thank you for coming 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:38.900 - The area is 6-0 00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:39.900 - I'll get you your certificate 00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:40.900 - I'll get you a lesson 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:43.900 - It's going to be a lot here, and I don't know what to do from now on 00:37:43.900 --> 00:37:44.900 - Thank you, Noah 00:37:44.900 --> 00:37:45.900 - Yeah, have a good night 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:46.900 - You too, thank you 00:37:46.900 --> 00:37:47.900 - Take care 00:37:47.900 --> 00:37:48.900 - See you 00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:50.900 - Okay 00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:54.900 - This 00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:57.900 - I believe the petitioner is going to be 00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:00.900 - Attending online, so 00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:03.900 - I've got two online people 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.900 - If you are the petitioner for 00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:09.900 - 703 East 7th Street 00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:11.900 - Would you raise your hand? 00:38:11.900 --> 00:38:13.900 - People online? 00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:14.900 - Okay 00:38:14.900 --> 00:38:25.900 - He did tell me 00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:27.900 - That he was going to be here, so 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.900 - We might have to bump it back 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:30.900 - Alright 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:32.900 - Getting no indication 00:38:32.900 --> 00:38:33.900 - No? 00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:36.900 - I've got two people online and I'm getting no indication from you 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:37.900 - Okay, alright 00:38:37.900 --> 00:38:40.900 - Alright, big ticket items 00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:42.900 - This one's fine 00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:44.900 - Okay, this is COA 2533 00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:46.900 - For 206 North Walnut Street 00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:49.900 - In the Courthouse Square Historic District 00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:51.900 - The petitioner is Joshua Brownell 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:58.880 - The Princess Theatre is an outstanding rated building in the Courthouse Square Local and National 00:38:58.880 --> 00:38:59.900 - Historic Districts 00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:03.900 - Bloomington Restorations Inc. has a facade easement on the property 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.900 - Because of loose and damaged tiles on the terracotta facade 00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:10.900 - The City of Bloomington issued an unsafe order on the property 00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:13.900 - Which has apartments on the upper floors and a vacant first floor 00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:16.900 - The property entered new ownership in 2025 00:39:16.900 --> 00:39:20.900 - And the owner is proposing a restoration of the terracotta facade 00:39:20.900 --> 00:39:25.900 - The proposal is intended to secure a certificate of appropriateness 00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:30.900 - For the restoration of the terracotta cladding on the facade of 206 North Walnut Street 00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.900 - In the Courthouse Square Historic District in Bloomington 00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:37.900 - This property is historically known as the Princess Theatre 00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:43.900 - The proposed work description is outlined in the commercial alteration permit C2592 00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:48.900 - Is based on the reported findings of the structural engineers report from RC Engineers 00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.900 - Dated October 10th, 2023 00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:54.900 - Based on this report our scope of work is listed as follows 00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:58.900 - But also subject to continuing consultation with RC Engineers 00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:04.900 - As we commence deconstruction and gain more insight into the structural integrity of a facade 00:40:04.900 --> 00:40:10.900 - Carefully remove individual terracotta units and prepare for restoration or replication 00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.900 - Removal of terracotta will begin at the top of the parapet wall 00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:17.900 - And may continue as far as the lintel above the large windows on the facade 00:40:17.900 --> 00:40:22.900 - Depending on findings and consultation with the structural engineer 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:25.900 - Removed terracotta units will be inspected and then either repaired on site 00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:29.900 - Or sent to Boston Valley Terracotta in Buffalo, New York 00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:35.330 - Where fabricators will hand sculpt, fire, and glaze each respective piece to match the original 00:40:35.330 --> 00:40:37.900 - architectural integrity and glaze color 00:40:37.900 --> 00:40:43.880 - The lead time on this sort of replication has been quoted at 9 to 12 months from the time they 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:44.900 - receive the units 00:40:44.900 --> 00:40:49.900 - The terracotta units that are not needed to be replicated will be restored 00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:56.900 - Using specialized contemporary products manufactured by Edison Coatings Inc, Edison Coatings Co. 00:40:56.900 --> 00:41:02.900 - These products are specifically designed for historic preservation and restoration of terracotta exteriors 00:41:02.900 --> 00:41:08.990 - With the specified areas of cladding removed, we will demo and remove the existing structural brick 00:41:08.990 --> 00:41:09.900 - parapet wall 00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:15.510 - Down to location below the existing roof line that is deemed to be structurally sound by a 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:16.900 - consulting engineer 00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:23.730 - We will replace the structural parapet with CMU block that is reinforced with rebar and grout 00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:24.900 - filled cells 00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:31.090 - The dimensions of rebar and CMU as well as the PSI of the grout will also be consulted by a 00:41:31.090 --> 00:41:32.900 - structural engineer 00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:38.910 - The proposed structural wall on the west elevation will be inspected and a vapor/moisture burial 00:41:38.910 --> 00:41:41.900 - will be installed in accordance with the engineer's recommendations 00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:46.850 - Through wall flashing and water mitigation systems will be installed with weep holes through newly 00:41:46.850 --> 00:41:47.900 - installed cladding 00:41:47.900 --> 00:41:54.960 - During the 9-12 month lead time required for replication of historically accurate terracotta units, 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.900 - the building will be waterproofed and protected with a semi-permanent cladding or membrane 00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:05.900 - In conjunction with this description of work, we will also be providing a proposed material list 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:08.900 - for the full scope of the project 00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:16.800 - For the structural parapet, CMU block, Type N mortar, structural rebar, Portland grout, and 220 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.900 - ladder mesh reinforcement 00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:43.850 - For the masonry anchor system, VBT binotized zinc, DW10 galvanized steel, for the terracotta repair, 00:42:43.850 --> 00:42:45.900 - custom 45, elasto wall 351, and spec joint 46 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:52.900 - You can see here the location on the western front elevation where structural brick will be removed 00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:55.900 - to 18 inches below the roof line 00:42:55.900 --> 00:43:05.900 - And rebuilt with 12 inch CMU grout block filled with 3/4 inch rebar reinforcements 00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:08.900 - The terracotta cladding will be removed and then restored 00:43:08.900 --> 00:43:19.650 - You can see here indicating the parts of the facade where terracotta is loose and the petitioner is 00:43:19.650 --> 00:43:26.900 - currently planning on removing and doing repairs 00:43:26.900 --> 00:43:39.900 - Staff recommends approval of COA 2533. The proposed restoration can serve the appearance and 00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:39.900 - materials of the theater's facade without removal of historic materials 00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:45.860 - Limited to the brick parapet wall not visible from the facade and of damaged tiles that would be 00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:48.900 - replaced in kind with terracotta replacements 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:54.770 - The submitted proposal includes plans for flashing, repointing, and the addition of a moisture 00:43:54.770 --> 00:43:58.900 - barrier and weep holes to slow future water related deterioration 00:43:58.900 --> 00:44:02.900 - The proposed water coating is breathable so as to avoid trapping moisture 00:44:02.900 --> 00:44:11.120 - The proposed mortar mix can be mixed softer than the terracotta tiles to avoid damaging tiles and 00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:13.900 - meet National Park Service specifications 00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:19.900 - The compound selected for repairing the tiles is designed for the task and is capable of expanding 00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:21.900 - with a moisture permeability 00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:26.900 - Comparable to the tile substrate and can be colored to match the repaired tiles 00:44:26.900 --> 00:44:31.900 - Care must be taken with the removal and storage of the tiles that they be marked for reinstallation 00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:33.900 - and protected from the elements 00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:41.480 - The collaboration of the easement holder BRI should be sought in the replacement of tiles and color 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.900 - selection for the masonry repair compound 00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:46.900 - Does the petitioner have any additional comments? 00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:54.150 - I received an email today at 207 from Steve Wyatt stating that he approves everything that I've 00:44:54.150 --> 00:45:00.560 - submitted to you, so he says that he is, as speaking on behalf of BRI, is on board with the 00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:01.900 - resolution. 00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:08.900 - Thank you. Questions? Jack? 00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:16.900 - All right, so as I understand it, the majority of the work is in the upper part of the parapet. 00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:20.900 - That will be taken down, redone, back up block, and so on. 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:30.250 - The tile itself, I understand the sending some tile off for glazing and coloration and that sort of 00:45:30.250 --> 00:45:30.900 - thing. 00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:38.150 - Did I hear that some of the terracotta replacement would not be terracotta but a coating of some 00:45:38.150 --> 00:45:38.900 - sort? 00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.900 - It's a compound that... 00:45:41.900 --> 00:45:42.900 - That's what I mean. 00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:50.230 - Well, there's a repair compound that's being suggested for repairing terracotta tiles that are 00:45:50.230 --> 00:45:52.900 - broken but damaged but repairable. 00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:57.900 - And then the ones that can't be repaired, it sounds like, are going to be replaced in kind. 00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:01.900 - I'm not being critical, I'm just trying to understand what's going on. 00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:02.900 - I gotcha. 00:46:02.900 --> 00:46:09.900 - It's a material that will duplicate to a great extent the terracotta look. 00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.900 - Like a glorified historic restoration bondo. 00:46:13.900 --> 00:46:15.900 - I gotcha. 00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:17.900 - Better than. 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:20.900 - Alright, that's all I have. 00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:22.900 - Questions? 00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:24.900 - Questions? 00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:26.900 - Questions? 00:46:26.900 --> 00:46:28.900 - I've got a couple of questions. 00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:34.900 - One is, is the restoration limited to from the lintel up? 00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:36.900 - Yeah, and I wanted to remark on that. 00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:39.900 - The initial drawing is from my original bid. 00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:45.900 - But I believe that we would deconstruct to roughly 8 to 12 inches below those windows. 00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:49.900 - Because the overall lintel that spans the building is not structurally sound. 00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:52.900 - I don't need an engineer to tell me that. 00:46:52.900 --> 00:46:57.900 - So we would like to consult with RC on that. 00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:00.900 - That needs to be addressed too. 00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:05.900 - There are one or two tiles at ground level that are severely damaged. 00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:09.900 - Would you be willing to lock that in there? 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:14.900 - My plan is to remove those specifically individually, put them back in. 00:47:14.900 --> 00:47:16.900 - Sweet. 00:47:16.900 --> 00:47:25.900 - And then in this 9 to 12 month hiatus, what are we going to see while the tiles are away? 00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:28.900 - Is it just going to be an exposed block up there? 00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:34.900 - I mean, you've got a year of weathering that you've got to deal with. 00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:36.900 - So I'm just curious what we're going to see. 00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:41.900 - The material I'm planning for that has been something remaining towards this old roof. 00:47:41.900 --> 00:47:46.900 - And it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing thing, but it would be wonderful. 00:47:46.900 --> 00:47:47.900 - And it'll keep the weather out. 00:47:47.900 --> 00:47:53.690 - And it's unfortunately the best thing to come up with until we get this restoration back to what it 00:47:53.690 --> 00:47:54.900 - needs to be. 00:47:54.900 --> 00:48:02.910 - I guess my final question is I'm very happy that you're taking all this stacked masonry off the top 00:48:02.910 --> 00:48:05.900 - and replacing it with a CMU. 00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:12.150 - How are you anchoring, or does your engineer figure it out, how they're going to anchor that CMU 00:48:12.150 --> 00:48:15.900 - parapet to the existing load bearing brick wall? 00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:17.900 - I've discussed it. 00:48:17.900 --> 00:48:25.520 - And as far as the building department goes, I've talked about perhaps north and south structural 00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:29.900 - walls, placing a steel beam at an anchoring point. 00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:36.340 - They advise me to turn that in as a secondary alteration, so much of this project depends on 00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:38.900 - getting the coping and the parapet. 00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:42.900 - And also seeing what you get once you dig into it. 00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:46.900 - So if Mr. LaRue is on board, I'm on board, so that's all good. 00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:50.900 - Thank you. 00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:57.900 - Any other questions? Any questions from the public or anyone online? 00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:01.900 - All right, I will entertain a motion. 00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.900 - I'll move to approve COA 2533. 00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:05.900 - Do I have a second? 00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:06.900 - I'll second. 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.900 - Thank you. 00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:12.900 - Okay, Jeremy. 00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:13.900 - Ernesto Castaneda? 00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:15.900 - Yes. 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:16.900 - Daniel? 00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:18.900 - Do we have comments? 00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:19.900 - Sorry. 00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:27.380 - I didn't hear any comments. I asked for public comments. Yeah, we didn't have comments from the 00:49:27.380 --> 00:49:28.900 - commissioners. 00:49:28.900 --> 00:49:33.900 - So let's hold on that for my apologies. Jeremy, comments? 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:39.160 - I think it's a great proposal. Thanks for doing all this work to help preserve this. I hope it 00:49:39.160 --> 00:49:41.900 - works out well. 00:49:41.900 --> 00:49:46.900 - I think it's a good project. I hope the building structurally is in good condition. 00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:52.750 - It's had its problems over the years, and I'm hoping the rest of the building, you don't have any 00:49:52.750 --> 00:49:53.900 - problems with that. 00:49:53.900 --> 00:49:59.900 - This is a big enough project. 00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:05.900 - It's a great project. Can't wait to see it's finished. I hope they show some great movies. 00:50:05.900 --> 00:50:08.900 - They're not going to be doing that anymore. 00:50:08.900 --> 00:50:15.450 - I think it's had the scaffolding out front since I moved to town almost four years ago, so I can't 00:50:15.450 --> 00:50:18.900 - wait to see it again like it's supposed to be. 00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:24.900 - I know scaffolding is expensive, so I wish you godspeed. 00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:28.900 - All right. Eddie, thank you for your patience. 00:50:28.900 --> 00:50:31.900 - All right. Ernesto Castaneda. Yes. 00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:34.300 - >> Yes. >> Daniel Schlagle. 00:50:34.300 --> 00:50:36.700 - >> Yes. >> Sam DeSaller. 00:50:36.700 --> 00:50:38.940 - >> Yes. >> Raynard Cross. 00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:40.980 - >> Yes. >> Jack Baker. 00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:43.020 - >> Yes. >> Jeremy Hackard. 00:50:43.020 --> 00:50:47.260 - >> Yes. >> Motion carries 6-0. 00:50:47.260 --> 00:50:51.900 - >> Thank you for coming in. >> May I ask a question? 00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:58.950 - >> Motion to second. >> As far as, can I expect this to kind of move through the rest of the 00:50:58.950 --> 00:51:00.100 - departments this week, 00:51:00.100 --> 00:51:07.700 - or do we have to commence the project? >> With the planning department? 00:51:07.700 --> 00:51:13.180 - Who are you waiting on? >> I think I've talked to everybody. 00:51:13.180 --> 00:51:18.580 - BRI, you guys, and then Bobby's just waiting on, I think, that person. 00:51:18.580 --> 00:51:23.060 - >> Okay, so planning, I think. Do you want to weigh in here? 00:51:23.060 --> 00:51:27.460 - >> Yes. This commission cannot promise you anything with other departments. 00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:35.900 - You'll need to work with them individually before you can use the COA to move forward with the work. 00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:50.820 - >> Building is usually pretty quick, though. >> Next portion of our evening, national register 00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:51.780 - applications. 00:51:51.780 --> 00:51:55.940 - I know Eddie's excited about this one. He doesn't have a name tag because he doesn't believe in 00:51:55.940 --> 00:51:56.380 - them. 00:51:56.380 --> 00:52:00.260 - >> That's Eddie. >> He's got one here going on. 00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:05.540 - >> He's got one on. He doesn't have one of these. Okay. 00:52:05.540 --> 00:52:14.900 - >> I know who I am. >> Located at 2335 Fountain Drive. 00:52:14.900 --> 00:52:23.860 - This is the Hensenburg School, owned by VET Environmental Engineering. 00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:33.380 - Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 23 -- right, the national register application author who 00:52:33.380 --> 00:52:39.140 - is with us is Danielle Bashong-Bell. 00:52:39.140 --> 00:52:48.140 - Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 2335 Fountain Drive is a two-story, five-bay brick, two-to-revival 00:52:48.140 --> 00:52:51.820 - elementary school building with limestone detail. 00:52:51.820 --> 00:52:57.000 - The building is listed as notable in the Indiana Historic Sites and Structures Inventory and has 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:02.460 - been slightly altered with replacement windows and doors, interior finishes, and a rear one-story 00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:10.460 - brick addition by Indianapolis architects McGuire and Shook in 1957, and a metal fire escape in 00:53:10.460 --> 00:53:15.100 - place of the slide that once ran from the second story. 00:53:15.100 --> 00:53:20.540 - Otherwise, the building retains its location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, and 00:53:20.540 --> 00:53:21.500 - association. 00:53:21.500 --> 00:53:26.380 - The building closed in—sorry, the school closed in 1969. 00:53:26.380 --> 00:53:33.430 - The building was bought by Fields Environmental, which was acquired by VET Environmental LLC, the 00:53:33.430 --> 00:53:41.250 - current owner and occupant, and in 2021, the window openings, which had been previously partially 00:53:41.250 --> 00:53:50.260 - covered with vertical siding and one-over-one vinyl windows, were reopened to full size. 00:53:50.260 --> 00:53:56.760 - In order to be eligible for inclusion in the National Register, properties must conform to 36 Code 00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:03.100 - of Federal Regulations, Part 60.4, the criteria for evaluation. 00:54:03.100 --> 00:54:09.910 - The nomination establishes that the district is eligible under Criterion A because this property 00:54:09.910 --> 00:54:16.360 - embodies a pattern of events or historical trend that made a significant contribution to the 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.460 - development of the community. 00:54:18.460 --> 00:54:24.650 - The Henzenberg School is significant to the National Register of Historic Places under Criteria A 00:54:24.650 --> 00:54:26.060 - on the local level. 00:54:26.060 --> 00:54:33.490 - The area of significance is education for its association with primary grade education in Monroe 00:54:33.490 --> 00:54:39.780 - County from its construction in 1929 to its closure in 1969. 00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:45.400 - It is a rare intact example of a local school that accommodated multiple classrooms, a cafeteria, 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:51.780 - and other activities during the transitional period between small one-room rural schoolhouses and 00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:56.020 - large consolidated schools of the later half of the 20th century. 00:54:56.020 --> 00:55:05.040 - Additionally, Henzenberg School meets the associated historical context of the Indiana Public 00:55:05.040 --> 00:55:15.430 - Common and High School's 1816 to 1945 Multiple Properties Documentation Form as a two or more room 00:55:15.430 --> 00:55:17.500 - consolidated rural school. 00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:24.430 - Henzenberg School is located within the community of Henzenberg, founded in 1889 by James and 00:55:24.430 --> 00:55:25.820 - Carolyn Henson. 00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:32.330 - Historically, the school was surrounded by modest homes, most likely employees of the numerous limestone 00:55:32.330 --> 00:55:38.340 - quarries and mills situated a half mile to the north in what was previously known as Hunter Valley. 00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:44.610 - The Hunter Switch trail rail line to the west of the school provided access for the limestone 00:55:44.610 --> 00:55:51.460 - businesses to the Louisville, New Albany, and Chicago Railroad, later renamed the Monon. 00:55:51.460 --> 00:55:56.680 - As the local industry grew to include other large companies such as Westinghouse, General Electric, 00:55:56.680 --> 00:56:01.940 - and RCA, Henzenberg remained a working class community for employees of these companies. 00:56:01.940 --> 00:56:08.100 - The school was absorbed into the Bloomington Metropolitan School Corporation in 1953 and remained 00:56:08.100 --> 00:56:14.500 - in service for the children of Henzenberg and the surrounding area until 1969. 00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:21.330 - As at fourth in 36 CFR Part 60, staff has notified the property owner and public officials by 00:56:21.330 --> 00:56:26.220 - letter all have been given opportunity to provide the Commission with written comments or 00:56:26.220 --> 00:56:27.100 - objections. 00:56:27.100 --> 00:56:35.100 - A public meeting will be held on, this is out of date, May 22nd, 2025, where the Bloomington Historic 00:56:35.100 --> 00:56:39.940 - Preservation Commission will render its decision on the merits of this application. 00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:45.610 - Recommendation, staff recommends, staff supports the nomination and recommends that the Bloomington 00:56:45.610 --> 00:56:51.220 - Historic Preservation Commission support the nomination of the Henzenberg School to the National 00:56:51.220 --> 00:56:56.300 - Register of Historic Places based on the substance of the argument and the nomination. 00:56:56.300 --> 00:57:01.350 - It is possible that the Indiana Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology will request 00:57:01.350 --> 00:57:07.670 - further revision of the nomination form during substantive review, which will follow the Commission's 00:57:07.670 --> 00:57:08.460 - action. 00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:12.500 - These revisions should not affect the case for the nomination. 00:57:12.500 --> 00:57:15.940 - Would the petitioner like to add anything? 00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:21.460 - I don't think I have too much to add unless you have questions. 00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:22.980 - Other than did you read that? 00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:26.180 - I have a copy here in case anybody wants to look. 00:57:26.180 --> 00:57:27.460 - And you can see the slide here. 00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:52.620 - It's not in the PowerPoint, but there used to be a slide. 00:57:52.620 --> 00:57:53.620 - Questions? 00:57:53.620 --> 00:57:56.780 - Go through the same process here? 00:57:56.780 --> 00:57:58.380 - Do you have questions, Daniel? 00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:02.340 - I just wish -- I know they did a tour of it not too long ago, and I was out of town, so 00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:04.660 - I missed it, but I'd still love to see the inside. 00:58:04.660 --> 00:58:07.140 - I think it's great to repurpose a building like this. 00:58:07.140 --> 00:58:11.500 - So I'm personally very -- I know it flows in the comments, but I was super excited to 00:58:11.500 --> 00:58:12.500 - see this. 00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:14.580 - So I'm sure everyone knows where my vote will be. 00:58:14.580 --> 00:58:16.580 - Does anyone have questions? 00:58:16.580 --> 00:58:17.580 - No. 00:58:17.580 --> 00:58:18.580 - No questions? 00:58:18.580 --> 00:58:23.580 - Could you put the slide back in? 00:58:23.580 --> 00:58:27.140 - I'm really keen on the slide. 00:58:27.140 --> 00:58:30.140 - There were two of them, actually. 00:58:30.140 --> 00:58:35.740 - There was one on either side, and one -- the door was bricked in a long time ago, but I 00:58:35.740 --> 00:58:39.660 - don't know when -- They had one of those at my school when I was a kid, and we would climb 00:58:39.660 --> 00:58:40.660 - up after hours. 00:58:40.660 --> 00:58:41.660 - Yeah. 00:58:41.660 --> 00:58:46.660 - When Sarah bought the building, I don't know if the slide still existed or not, honestly. 00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:51.700 - I don't know if it was -- It looks like it was replaced with that fire escape. 00:58:51.700 --> 00:58:52.700 - Yeah. 00:58:52.700 --> 00:58:58.500 - I don't -- Like I said, I don't know if they put that fire escape in or if the slide was 00:58:58.500 --> 00:58:59.500 - just gone. 00:58:59.500 --> 00:59:02.700 - I mean, I -- Let me rephrase that. 00:59:02.700 --> 00:59:04.700 - There may not have been anything when they bought the building. 00:59:04.700 --> 00:59:05.700 - Yeah. 00:59:05.700 --> 00:59:06.700 - I think you really want to know where it is. 00:59:06.700 --> 00:59:07.700 - I don't really want to buy it. 00:59:07.700 --> 00:59:08.700 - So you can put it on your house. 00:59:08.700 --> 00:59:15.700 - But I can tell you that those who are now grandparents that went to the school have 00:59:15.700 --> 00:59:18.700 - said that they had to do fire drills. 00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:19.700 - Oh, wow. 00:59:19.700 --> 00:59:20.700 - Mm-hmm. 00:59:20.700 --> 00:59:24.700 - And that it was horrendous to have to go down that slide. 00:59:24.700 --> 00:59:27.700 - That it was really painful. 00:59:27.700 --> 00:59:28.700 - Wax paper. 00:59:28.700 --> 00:59:29.700 - Wax paper. 00:59:29.700 --> 00:59:35.700 - And because they had cinders at the bottom and you'd hit those, you know. 00:59:35.700 --> 00:59:37.700 - I just think that would be correct. 00:59:37.700 --> 00:59:40.700 - They left off the alligator pit, though. 00:59:40.700 --> 00:59:41.700 - Yeah. 00:59:41.700 --> 00:59:43.700 - But I just -- you know, you can get all kinds of stuff. 00:59:43.700 --> 00:59:48.700 - I'd put fire down. 00:59:48.700 --> 00:59:50.700 - You are part of the problem, sir. 00:59:50.700 --> 00:59:51.700 - Jeremy, do you have questions? 00:59:51.700 --> 00:59:52.700 - No, I don't. 00:59:52.700 --> 00:59:54.700 - Jack, questions? 00:59:54.700 --> 00:59:58.700 - Has anyone come out against the historic designation? 00:59:58.700 --> 01:00:00.700 - I haven't heard anybody. 01:00:00.700 --> 01:00:08.700 - And structurally, it looks structurally solid, is it? 01:00:08.700 --> 01:00:14.700 - Does it have any issues we know of? 01:00:14.700 --> 01:00:20.700 - Sarah, her company, they've done a complete rehabilitation 01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:22.700 - of the building inside and out. 01:00:22.700 --> 01:00:24.700 - I mean, it's solid brick. 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:29.700 - I mean, it's solid as can be, but that is the business location. 01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:32.700 - So it's an excellent condition. 01:00:32.700 --> 01:00:34.700 - When did they do the renovation? 01:00:34.700 --> 01:00:36.700 - Oh, my goodness. 01:00:36.700 --> 01:00:39.700 - It's been a few years now, actually. 01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:43.700 - It was basically completed about the time of the pandemic 01:00:43.700 --> 01:00:45.700 - because that's when she wanted to have the open house, 01:00:45.700 --> 01:00:47.700 - the initial open house. 01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:51.700 - So it was pushed back, like, a couple of years. 01:00:51.700 --> 01:00:55.700 - But they worked very hard to retain as much of the interior, 01:00:55.700 --> 01:00:58.700 - the original interior finishes as possible. 01:00:58.700 --> 01:01:02.700 - Unfortunately, this did first go through a determination 01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:04.700 - of eligibility with D.H.P.A. 01:01:04.700 --> 01:01:06.700 - That's the first step, you know, 01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:08.700 - to make sure that you can go forward with a nomination. 01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:13.700 - And they felt that the interior, because of the windows being replaced 01:01:13.700 --> 01:01:16.700 - and not having the same fenestration, 01:01:16.700 --> 01:01:18.700 - which would have been originally they were metal windows 01:01:18.700 --> 01:01:21.700 - with multiple openings now. 01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:23.700 - The windows were too altered, 01:01:23.700 --> 01:01:26.700 - and they felt like the interior was too altered. 01:01:26.700 --> 01:01:28.700 - The second floor, they opened it up. 01:01:28.700 --> 01:01:32.700 - They took out walls and made it more loft kind of space. 01:01:32.700 --> 01:01:38.700 - So it does not qualify as under architecture, criterion C. 01:01:38.700 --> 01:01:41.700 - You know, once it's listed, it's listed. 01:01:41.700 --> 01:01:43.700 - You know, it's kind of like having a degree. 01:01:43.700 --> 01:01:46.700 - Nobody asks you really where it's from, it's on the password. 01:01:46.700 --> 01:01:53.700 - So, you know, it's just kind of semantics. 01:01:53.700 --> 01:01:54.700 - Thank you. 01:01:54.700 --> 01:01:58.700 - So essentially, the reason that it's, or I guess in my recommendation 01:01:58.700 --> 01:02:02.700 - and Danielle's recommendation that we're considering it eligible 01:02:02.700 --> 01:02:05.700 - has more to do with the history of the building 01:02:05.700 --> 01:02:09.700 - and its role in the community than with its architecture per se, 01:02:09.700 --> 01:02:18.700 - even though it does have to have some degree of architectural integrity. 01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:22.700 - Have any comments or questions from members of the public? 01:02:22.700 --> 01:02:23.700 - Hansenberg School? 01:02:23.700 --> 01:02:25.700 - Yeah. 01:02:25.700 --> 01:02:26.700 - Great place. 01:02:26.700 --> 01:02:29.700 - Yeah, it's on private superlative. 01:02:29.700 --> 01:02:35.700 - But no, I have to take my hat off to Sarah and them for saving it. 01:02:35.700 --> 01:02:42.700 - Years ago, that was the Carpenter's Hall, which helped define it. 01:02:42.700 --> 01:02:47.700 - And Sarah and them have taken a significant amount of integrity 01:02:47.700 --> 01:02:50.700 - just to keep it in regards to the exterior, 01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:54.700 - because there were several discussions when that came up for sale 01:02:54.700 --> 01:02:59.700 - and was done that would never have done what they've done with it. 01:02:59.700 --> 01:03:01.700 - So I didn't catch everything. 01:03:01.700 --> 01:03:05.700 - I just know it's in this little dead-end area that nobody thinks about 01:03:05.700 --> 01:03:12.700 - that still keeps some historical integrity from an individual that just cared, 01:03:12.700 --> 01:03:15.700 - as opposed to saying, well, what can I do? 01:03:15.700 --> 01:03:23.700 - But the inside was altered really ugly prior to. 01:03:23.700 --> 01:03:24.700 - Thank you. 01:03:24.700 --> 01:03:28.700 - Mr. Chairman, what form does the motion take? 01:03:28.700 --> 01:03:32.700 - As we go to approve the nomination support. 01:03:32.700 --> 01:03:34.700 - The nomination support. 01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:37.700 - The motion of support. 01:03:37.700 --> 01:03:42.700 - We're ready to take a break. 01:03:42.700 --> 01:03:44.700 - Make the motion to support. 01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:46.700 - Does anybody want to make the motion? 01:03:46.700 --> 01:03:47.700 - You're making the motion? 01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:48.700 - Yes. 01:03:48.700 --> 01:03:49.700 - I'm going to second the motion. 01:03:49.700 --> 01:03:50.700 - I'll second. 01:03:50.700 --> 01:03:57.700 - Go for the hat trick of seconds. 01:03:57.700 --> 01:03:58.700 - Call the roll, lady. 01:03:58.700 --> 01:03:59.700 - Are we good? 01:03:59.700 --> 01:04:00.700 - Do comments or we're going? 01:04:00.700 --> 01:04:01.700 - No. 01:04:01.700 --> 01:04:02.700 - Did I miss comments again? 01:04:02.700 --> 01:04:03.700 - You did. 01:04:03.700 --> 01:04:05.700 - I don't like comments. 01:04:05.700 --> 01:04:07.700 - I think the comments, we've sort of had some comments. 01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:10.700 - But if anybody has more comments, please have at. 01:04:10.700 --> 01:04:11.700 - Great project. 01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:12.700 - Jeremy. 01:04:12.700 --> 01:04:13.700 - Yeah. 01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:14.700 - Thanks for pursuing this. 01:04:14.700 --> 01:04:15.700 - Bernard. 01:04:15.700 --> 01:04:16.700 - Same. 01:04:16.700 --> 01:04:17.700 - I'm excited. 01:04:17.700 --> 01:04:18.700 - Yeah, it's kind of a love fest. 01:04:18.700 --> 01:04:20.700 - So thank you. 01:04:20.700 --> 01:04:22.700 - Nothing contentious. 01:04:22.700 --> 01:04:23.700 - It's always the fun part. 01:04:23.700 --> 01:04:25.700 - You know, I served on this board for a number of years. 01:04:25.700 --> 01:04:28.700 - I know that felt good. 01:04:28.700 --> 01:04:31.700 - It's nice to have something that's happy. 01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:32.700 - Thank you. 01:04:32.700 --> 01:04:33.700 - OK. 01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:34.700 - OK. 01:04:34.700 --> 01:04:36.700 - So motion of support? 01:04:36.700 --> 01:04:38.700 - Yes means you support. 01:04:38.700 --> 01:04:39.700 - OK. 01:04:39.700 --> 01:04:40.700 - Ernesto Castaneda? 01:04:40.700 --> 01:04:41.700 - Yes. 01:04:41.700 --> 01:04:42.700 - Daniel Schlegel? 01:04:42.700 --> 01:04:44.700 - Yes. 01:04:44.700 --> 01:04:45.700 - Sam Vassaler? 01:04:45.700 --> 01:04:46.700 - Yes. 01:04:46.700 --> 01:04:48.700 - Reynarda Cross? 01:04:48.700 --> 01:04:49.700 - Yes. 01:04:49.700 --> 01:04:50.700 - Jack Baker? 01:04:50.700 --> 01:04:51.700 - Yes. 01:04:51.700 --> 01:04:52.700 - Jeremy Hacker? 01:04:52.700 --> 01:04:53.700 - Yes. 01:04:53.700 --> 01:04:55.700 - Motion carries 6-0. 01:04:55.700 --> 01:04:57.700 - Thank you for your patience. 01:04:57.700 --> 01:05:00.700 - Thank you for coming in. 01:05:00.700 --> 01:05:02.700 - Is that the end of program? 01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:05.700 - No, we actually do have a petitioner for a previous item here. 01:05:05.700 --> 01:05:09.700 - I just asked him to unmute. 01:05:09.700 --> 01:05:17.700 - This is for COA 2532, 703 East 7th Street. 01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:20.700 - Michael, are you there? 01:05:20.700 --> 01:05:24.700 - Yes, I am. 01:05:24.700 --> 01:05:25.700 - Just a second. 01:05:25.700 --> 01:05:29.700 - I'm going to get back to your item. 01:05:29.700 --> 01:05:30.700 - So it's 2532. 01:05:30.700 --> 01:05:31.700 - That's right. 01:05:31.700 --> 01:05:34.700 - OK. 01:05:34.700 --> 01:05:39.700 - 703 East 7th Street in the University Courts Historic District. 01:05:39.700 --> 01:05:42.700 - Petitioner is Michael Chambly. 01:05:42.700 --> 01:05:48.700 - This is a 1915 limestone craftsman house with Italianate features. 01:05:48.700 --> 01:05:55.920 - The building has a rear shed addition that the owners and the petitioner are proposing to redo or 01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:00.700 - replace with a larger enclosed single-story addition. 01:06:00.700 --> 01:06:10.190 - The facade is visible from North Fest Avenue and the parking lot and alley to the north of the 01:06:10.190 --> 01:06:11.700 - building. 01:06:11.700 --> 01:06:21.700 - The scope of work for this request includes the demolition of the existing roof structure, which is 01:06:21.700 --> 01:06:27.700 - 6 by 25 feet at the north end of the existing kitchen. 01:06:27.700 --> 01:06:37.700 - Removal of the existing hood and exhaust fan, one existing window, and existing pantry closet. 01:06:37.700 --> 01:06:42.700 - Installation of a new flat roof, entry door, and exterior siding. 01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:47.700 - Installation of a new kitchen hood, exhaust fan, and makeup air systems. 01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:51.700 - Installation of one metal exterior door. 01:06:51.700 --> 01:07:01.880 - Materials to be used include LP smart side siding with an 8 inch reveal, primed wood composite lap 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:10.700 - siding, and 5 by 4 smart side trim. 01:07:10.700 --> 01:07:15.700 - The roofing will be flat, gray TPO membrane. 01:07:15.700 --> 01:07:23.700 - Mechanical installations will include the kitchen hood exhaust fan, similar to the existing one. 01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:25.700 - Roof mounted on the new flat roof. 01:07:25.700 --> 01:07:30.700 - A makeup air system installed on the ground level with an existing fenced area. 01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:44.700 - One 12 by 12 inch supply duct up and through the wall connected to the kitchen hood. 01:07:44.700 --> 01:07:56.700 - This is the existing rear addition. 01:07:56.700 --> 01:08:00.700 - Staff recommends approval of COA 2532. 01:08:00.700 --> 01:08:05.620 - The proposed rear addition would replace a later addition on the rear of the house and would not 01:08:05.620 --> 01:08:07.700 - obscure a primary facade. 01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:14.820 - It is compatible in scale and materials to the primary structure and is self-supporting and 01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:16.700 - distinguishable from the original house. 01:08:16.700 --> 01:08:20.700 - Adjacent to a parking lot, its impact on the site would be minimal. 01:08:20.700 --> 01:08:26.050 - The replacement addition would be very close in size to the existing addition and the added vent 01:08:26.050 --> 01:08:30.700 - would be inconspicuous and located on a minor elevation. 01:08:30.700 --> 01:08:39.700 - Does the applicant have anything you'd like to add? 01:08:39.700 --> 01:08:40.700 - Is his name Michael? 01:08:40.700 --> 01:08:41.700 - Michael. 01:08:41.700 --> 01:08:46.700 - That's Chambly. 01:08:46.700 --> 01:08:48.700 - He was not muted. 01:08:48.700 --> 01:08:51.700 - Okay. 01:08:51.700 --> 01:08:55.700 - Is the petitioner still with us? 01:08:55.700 --> 01:08:58.700 - Michael? 01:08:58.700 --> 01:09:08.700 - He's still there. 01:09:08.700 --> 01:09:09.700 - Oh, can you hear me? 01:09:09.700 --> 01:09:10.700 - Yes, yes. 01:09:10.700 --> 01:09:11.700 - Now we can hear you. 01:09:11.700 --> 01:09:13.700 - Do you have anything to answer? 01:09:13.700 --> 01:09:17.700 - Yes, I'm available for any questions. 01:09:17.700 --> 01:09:20.700 - Thank you. 01:09:20.700 --> 01:09:22.700 - Well, let's go into questions. 01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:23.700 - Jack, questions? 01:09:23.700 --> 01:09:29.700 - Well, yeah, I went past this, what was this addition used for? 01:09:29.700 --> 01:09:34.700 - It looks like that fan is big enough for a commercial kitchen. 01:09:34.700 --> 01:09:43.700 - It was a six-foot addition to an existing kitchen. 01:09:43.700 --> 01:09:46.700 - And that kitchen was inside the main building? 01:09:46.700 --> 01:09:55.700 - The kitchen was made. 01:09:55.700 --> 01:10:01.700 - Was that original kitchen inside the main building and then this was added on? 01:10:01.700 --> 01:10:12.510 - Well, I assume so, but there are plaster walls on the inside of this addition, so it could be even 01:10:12.510 --> 01:10:14.700 - older, I don't know. 01:10:14.700 --> 01:10:20.700 - And how much larger is the new addition going to be than this is? 01:10:20.700 --> 01:10:27.300 - It won't be any larger, it'll be the same size, we're just going to put a flat roof on and take 01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:32.700 - away the slump roof to get more ceiling height for the kitchen. 01:10:32.700 --> 01:10:39.700 - And you're removing the existing hood and supplies with smaller? 01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:50.640 - No, it will remount to the flat roof, which by the way is similar to the front entry roof, which is 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:51.700 - flat. 01:10:51.700 --> 01:10:57.700 - And you're going to reuse the fans and as much of, I assume, the AC? 01:10:57.700 --> 01:11:03.700 - No, we are going to replace the exhaust fan and the hood. 01:11:03.700 --> 01:11:07.700 - With the same size capacity? 01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:13.700 - Approximately the same. 01:11:13.700 --> 01:11:18.700 - When do we think this addition was actually put on the building, do you have any idea? 01:11:18.700 --> 01:11:20.700 - No, I really don't. 01:11:20.700 --> 01:11:22.700 - Thank you. 01:11:22.700 --> 01:11:23.700 - Jeremy, you have questions? 01:11:23.700 --> 01:11:24.700 - No questions for me. 01:11:24.700 --> 01:11:26.700 - No questions. 01:11:26.700 --> 01:11:27.700 - Daniel? 01:11:27.700 --> 01:11:29.700 - Did we just prove something? 01:11:29.700 --> 01:11:33.700 - For a front door or lighting in the front on this one or am I thinking? 01:11:33.700 --> 01:11:37.700 - That was a minute ago. 01:11:37.700 --> 01:11:41.700 - Yeah, there was some front door and lighting. 01:11:41.700 --> 01:11:43.700 - That was a couple of years ago. 01:11:43.700 --> 01:11:44.700 - Has it really been that long? 01:11:44.700 --> 01:11:47.700 - Well, unless I'm just meaning which is entirely possible. 01:11:47.700 --> 01:11:51.700 - Okay. 01:11:51.700 --> 01:11:59.700 - At least two years. 01:11:59.700 --> 01:12:00.700 - Questions? 01:12:00.700 --> 01:12:04.700 - I just thought that front look from them, I think we helped with something recently. 01:12:04.700 --> 01:12:07.700 - But I guess it's been over two years from what Jeremy said. 01:12:07.700 --> 01:12:08.700 - Other questions? 01:12:08.700 --> 01:12:09.700 - Yes. 01:12:09.700 --> 01:12:11.700 - Hi, Michael. 01:12:11.700 --> 01:12:12.700 - Hi, Ernesto. 01:12:12.700 --> 01:12:17.700 - Can you tell us a little bit more about the exterior and the finishes of the exterior? 01:12:17.700 --> 01:12:22.700 - Are you going to help route the water out? 01:12:22.700 --> 01:12:27.700 - Is it going to be the siding painted? 01:12:27.700 --> 01:12:32.700 - I was thinking that we would use a lap siding. 01:12:32.700 --> 01:12:42.700 - It's similar to, I mean there is wood siding on the bump out right now, the six foot of bump out. 01:12:42.700 --> 01:12:48.970 - And we would just be replacing the siding with a horizontal siding and insulating the wall and 01:12:48.970 --> 01:12:51.700 - putting new drywall on the end. 01:12:51.700 --> 01:12:55.700 - Are you going to do white again or is it going to be a different color? 01:12:55.700 --> 01:13:00.700 - I would imagine we would just go white because all the trim is white. 01:13:00.700 --> 01:13:02.700 - I see. 01:13:02.700 --> 01:13:04.700 - Okay. Thank you Michael. 01:13:04.700 --> 01:13:10.700 - Okay. And there is some siding on the attic up here on the top. 01:13:10.700 --> 01:13:17.700 - You can see in the, well in the, yeah. 01:13:17.700 --> 01:13:26.700 - Do you have any comments or questions from the public or anyone online? 01:13:26.700 --> 01:13:30.700 - Hearing none, I will entertain a motion. 01:13:30.700 --> 01:13:34.700 - Make the motion to approve COA, was it 2532? 01:13:34.700 --> 01:13:37.700 - Alright, and I see a second from Jeremy. 01:13:37.700 --> 01:13:44.700 - Discussion? Comments? Remembering this time, Jack? 01:13:44.700 --> 01:13:47.700 - Jeremy. 01:13:47.700 --> 01:13:49.700 - Yeah, it's on the back of the building. 01:13:49.700 --> 01:13:55.700 - It's not really affecting the historical significance of it, so I'm in support. 01:13:55.700 --> 01:13:57.700 - No issues. 01:13:57.700 --> 01:14:00.700 - Okay, I've got no issues. 01:14:00.700 --> 01:14:04.700 - I think from the public, we went there. 01:14:04.700 --> 01:14:05.700 - I'm going to call the roll. 01:14:05.700 --> 01:14:08.700 - Okay. Ernesto Castaneda? 01:14:08.700 --> 01:14:09.700 - Yes. 01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:10.700 - Daniel Schlegel? 01:14:10.700 --> 01:14:12.700 - Yes. 01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:14.700 - Amanda Soller? Yes. 01:14:14.700 --> 01:14:16.700 - Reynard Cross? Yes. 01:14:16.700 --> 01:14:19.700 - Jack Baker? Yes. 01:14:19.700 --> 01:14:21.700 - Jeremy Hackard? Yes. 01:14:21.700 --> 01:14:23.700 - Motion carries 6-0. 01:14:23.700 --> 01:14:25.700 - Thank you, Michael. 01:14:25.700 --> 01:14:27.700 - Great, thank you very much. 01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:29.700 - Have a good night. 01:14:29.700 --> 01:14:32.700 - You too. 01:14:32.700 --> 01:14:34.700 - Do we have any other cases that we bumped or is that? 01:14:34.700 --> 01:14:36.700 - No, there's two others. 01:14:36.700 --> 01:14:39.700 - So what happens to those two if the people aren't here? 01:14:39.700 --> 01:14:42.700 - If the people aren't here, are they up against the clock? 01:14:42.700 --> 01:14:44.700 - I think it's considered to action and it's bumped. 01:14:44.700 --> 01:14:46.700 - Right. 01:14:46.700 --> 01:14:48.700 - So that resets the clock. 01:14:48.700 --> 01:14:53.700 - Yeah, because it's considered to action. 01:14:53.700 --> 01:14:55.700 - Thank you. 01:14:55.700 --> 01:15:05.700 - Is anybody here for another agenda item? 01:15:05.700 --> 01:15:11.700 - Is anyone online here for another agenda item? 01:15:11.700 --> 01:15:14.700 - All right. 01:15:14.700 --> 01:15:16.700 - Shower. 01:15:16.700 --> 01:15:28.700 - There's the first. 01:15:28.700 --> 01:15:38.700 - Okay, so the two agenda items that we did not hear tonight were 01:15:38.700 --> 01:15:44.700 - COA 2526 for the replacement railings and the light post and 01:15:44.700 --> 01:15:54.700 - COA 2529 for the rear addition to the showers administrative building. 01:15:54.700 --> 01:15:58.700 - So since the petitioner was not here, these will be continued to 01:15:58.700 --> 01:16:02.700 - the next meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission. 01:16:02.700 --> 01:16:06.700 - All business. 01:16:06.700 --> 01:16:12.700 - So, we normally do outstanding violations for the first meeting 01:16:12.700 --> 01:16:13.700 - of the month. 01:16:13.700 --> 01:16:16.700 - Since this was a special meeting, we're actually going to do those 01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:20.700 - for the first regularly scheduled meeting this month. 01:16:20.700 --> 01:16:22.700 - So we're not going to do those this time around. 01:16:22.700 --> 01:16:27.700 - Good morning, updates, everyone. 01:16:27.700 --> 01:16:35.700 - New business, I actually have a few items, mostly Daniel related. 01:16:35.700 --> 01:16:40.700 - The History Center is going to be having an exhibit opening tomorrow 01:16:40.700 --> 01:16:46.700 - evening at 530 for a project that, you know, the History Center and 01:16:46.700 --> 01:16:50.700 - Liz have been working on about African American history on the 01:16:50.700 --> 01:16:52.700 - Midwest side. 01:16:52.700 --> 01:16:56.700 - So I don't know if there's anything you'd want to add about that. 01:16:56.700 --> 01:16:58.700 - It's part of the new walking tour brochure. 01:16:58.700 --> 01:17:00.700 - So no, you just had how many? 01:17:00.700 --> 01:17:02.700 - A lot? 01:17:02.700 --> 01:17:03.700 - I just printed 500. 01:17:03.700 --> 01:17:04.700 - 500 of those? 01:17:04.700 --> 01:17:05.700 - We've given away a bunch. 01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:08.700 - You can bring some more tomorrow. 01:17:08.700 --> 01:17:09.700 - In a good way. 01:17:09.700 --> 01:17:10.700 - Good. 01:17:10.700 --> 01:17:11.700 - We'll need some more. 01:17:11.700 --> 01:17:12.700 - But it's related to that. 01:17:12.700 --> 01:17:14.700 - So we're super excited about that opening. 01:17:14.700 --> 01:17:17.700 - So we hope anyone that's able to make it can make it. 01:17:17.700 --> 01:17:18.700 - It's open to the public and everyone. 01:17:18.700 --> 01:17:20.000 - Feel free to come on out. 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.300 - Does that mean you're booting us out of the conference room at 5.30? 01:17:23.300 --> 01:17:24.300 - Oh yeah, most definitely. 01:17:24.300 --> 01:17:26.300 - There's free food in the conference room. 01:17:26.300 --> 01:17:28.300 - Then we'll stick around, the good stuff. 01:17:28.300 --> 01:17:30.300 - What's happening tomorrow? 01:17:30.300 --> 01:17:37.300 - We have our monthly subcommittee for meetings to talk about district guidelines basically. 01:17:37.300 --> 01:17:38.300 - Which district? 01:17:38.300 --> 01:17:41.300 - This one I think will probably be Elm Heights, yeah? 01:17:41.300 --> 01:17:42.300 - They were invited. 01:17:42.300 --> 01:17:43.300 - They were invited. 01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:46.300 - There's also Maple. Maple Heights? 01:17:46.300 --> 01:17:47.300 - Maple Heights. 01:17:47.300 --> 01:17:49.300 - So anything with Heights in it? 01:17:49.300 --> 01:17:51.300 - It's all fair game. 01:17:51.300 --> 01:17:52.300 - Which site? 01:17:52.300 --> 01:17:56.300 - That's at 4. 01:17:56.300 --> 01:18:07.300 - That's first Thursday of every month at 4 at the History Center so long as they will put up with us. 01:18:07.300 --> 01:18:10.300 - Commissioner comments? 01:18:10.300 --> 01:18:18.300 - My only one is the garage sale coming up that supports the History Center. 01:18:18.300 --> 01:18:25.300 - We sell full-size garages, yes. 01:18:25.300 --> 01:18:30.630 - But it's literally nearly one acre under roof so it is much bigger than a garage but it's a big 01:18:30.630 --> 01:18:31.300 - part of our budget. 01:18:31.300 --> 01:18:37.300 - It's almost 30% of our budget so they're all items donated so it's on Wednesday, June 11th 01:18:37.300 --> 01:18:42.300 - and then public days are the Friday the 13th so just come out just because of that. 01:18:42.300 --> 01:18:45.300 - And then Saturday the 14th from 8 to 4 each of those days. 01:18:45.300 --> 01:18:47.300 - What happens on the 11th? 01:18:47.300 --> 01:18:52.730 - The 11th, if you have a membership to the History Center or all cook employees they get in a day 01:18:52.730 --> 01:18:53.300 - early. 01:18:53.300 --> 01:18:58.690 - And you can't even tell like when you come in on Friday it's so full you can't even tell people are 01:18:58.690 --> 01:19:02.300 - already in there it's nuts. 01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:05.300 - In a good way. 01:19:05.300 --> 01:19:10.300 - On Friday and Saturday it's 8 until 4. 01:19:10.300 --> 01:19:19.300 - And member day just goes later it's 8 until 6. 01:19:19.300 --> 01:19:22.300 - Any Commissioner comments? 01:19:22.300 --> 01:19:29.300 - You had an email just recently that was an event that we could attend. 01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:31.300 - Could you expand on that a bit? 01:19:31.300 --> 01:19:35.300 - Sure. This is going to be in August. 01:19:35.300 --> 01:19:44.300 - Some of you may have attended camp last year at the annual state conference. 01:19:44.300 --> 01:19:50.300 - So this is the National Alliance of Preservation Commissions. 01:19:50.300 --> 01:19:54.300 - Hosts regular sort of sessions and workshops. 01:19:54.300 --> 01:20:01.870 - This summer there's going to be a program for members of Historic Preservation Commissions to learn 01:20:01.870 --> 01:20:10.840 - about a variety of topics related to stuff ranging from review procedures to coming up with 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.300 - guidelines to advocacy and so forth. 01:20:14.300 --> 01:20:19.590 - So if that's something that you're interested in, email me about it and that's something that you 01:20:19.590 --> 01:20:21.300 - can get reimbursement for. 01:20:21.300 --> 01:20:33.210 - This is going to be online. So if you're not able to attend when the talks are being held, if you've 01:20:33.210 --> 01:20:38.300 - signed up for it, then you should be able to view them, view recordings afterwards. 01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:43.300 - And commissioners are supposed to do a certain amount of education. 01:20:43.300 --> 01:20:47.610 - Right, at least half of our commissioners have to be educated in something this year or else I'm in 01:20:47.610 --> 01:20:48.300 - trouble. 01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:52.300 - That's every year. That's every year. I was not in trouble last year. You guys were fine. 01:20:52.300 --> 01:20:56.300 - Is there going to be a preservation conference, the state preservation conference? 01:20:56.300 --> 01:21:05.300 - There will be. It's going to be in September or October. I should get back to you guys. 01:21:05.300 --> 01:21:13.070 - Yeah. So I don't have information about specific events for that yet. There is going to be a 01:21:13.070 --> 01:21:14.300 - commission related event. 01:21:14.300 --> 01:21:23.400 - I remember last year a couple of people got tickets to attend events outside of that, which was 01:21:23.400 --> 01:21:24.300 - great. 01:21:24.300 --> 01:21:30.680 - There's always a lot of really interesting talks. So I want to get more specific information about 01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:31.300 - that. 01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:34.300 - It's going to be in Fort Wayne. I'll send that out to you guys. 01:21:34.300 --> 01:21:36.300 - Great. Thank you. 01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:44.300 - I think that there are no further comments. We are adjourned. Thank you all for coming. 01:21:44.300 --> 01:21:46.300 - Thank you. 01:21:46.300 --> 01:21:48.300 - Thank you. 01:21:49.300 --> 01:21:51.300 - [Music] 01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:24.220 - (orchestral music) 01:22:24.740 --> 01:22:27.660 - (orchestral music) 01:22:27.660 --> 01:22:30.580 - (orchestral music) 01:22:30.580 --> 01:22:33.500 - (orchestral music) 01:22:33.500 --> 01:22:36.420 - (orchestral music) 01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:39.340 - (orchestral music) 01:22:39.340 --> 01:22:42.260 - (orchestral music) 01:22:42.260 --> 01:22:45.180 - (orchestral music) 01:22:45.180 --> 01:22:48.100 - (orchestral music)