All right. It is five o'clock, and I would like to call the order of the Wednesday, June 4th, 2025, looking to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order. Before we start the roll, I just want to thank everybody for coming, because this was a previously unscheduled meeting. We're trying to get some expedited stuff out the door, and there's some stuff that would clock out if you all were not here. So thank you all for coming. I'm incredibly grateful to all of you. Daddy, would you call the roll? - Sure. Elizabeth Mitchell? Ernesto Castaneda? - Here. Daniel Schlegel? - Here. Sam DeSaller? - Here. Reynard Cross? - Here. Jack Baker? - Here. Jeremy Hackard? - Here. Melody Dusner? Duncan Campbell? Karen Duffy? Okay. All right. I would like to hear a motion on the minutes. Does anyone have any changes? I'll move to approve. I have a second. I second. Go to the roll. Okay. Ernesto Castaneda? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Yes. Sam DeSaller? Yes. Raynard Cross? Yes. Jack Baker yes, Jeremy hacker. Yes motion carries six zero We get the statement usually that comes after staff stuff doesn't I could do it now too Okay, all right As far as coa 2530 917 North Fairview Street in the Maple Heights Historic District petitioner is Daniel Weddle in May 2023 petitioner Daniel Weddle received coa 2329 For the construction of an adu in his backyard at 917 North Fairview Work on the project has been ongoing, but the applicant wishes to revise some features of the original plan Including changes to the fenestration patterns and removal of an exterior staircase from the east elevation The building was conditionally approved provided that the applicant continue to work with staff and the Commission to balance creative design with guideline recommendations Several amendments to the original coa have subsequently been approved This request includes alterations to window design on three elevations an alternative choice of garage door And the removal of a proposed exterior staircase The staff approves the planned alterations proposed in coa 2530 the altered plan Plans presented constitute a fairly minor change to the previously approved plans And would be minimally visible from the public right-of-way from the alley to the north of the law Okay is Daniel here Since this is already a staff approved thing it is Are there any other staff? I know just found one. All right, so at this point in the meeting the historic preservation commission We hear petitioners for certificates of appropriateness Followed by demolition delays for each item the historic preservation program manager will first present a staff report We'll then hear if the petitioner has any additional information Followed by a round of questions from each commissioner We ask that petitioners the public and commissioners refrain from speaking and tell a trust by the chair Unless a question is directly addressed to them if a member of the public or a petitioner wishes to comment Please raise your hand until recognized by the chair upon completion of public comments The chair will entertain motions from the commissioners regarding the relevant certificate of appropriateness or demolition delay Once a motion is made by a commissioner the chair then opens up discussion of the item The members of the commission only the chair will call a vote Once each commissioner has been given a chance to comment on the motion. We encourage all commissioners petitioners and Members of the public to be civil and respectful at all times The coa 2526 Petitioner is ace of holly. This is for 1018 East Wiley in the Elm Heights historic district 1018 East Wiley is a two-story brick colonial revival house built in 1930 It demonstrates a high degree of integrity but has some replacement site features including aluminum railings and a steel lamp post The request is and I quote we would like to replace two non-original metal handrails leading up to the sidewalk leading up from the sidewalk to the front yard and from the Front yard steps up to the front entrance. The current ones are very wobbly and seem to be from an inexpensive kit We would like to replace the handrails with black powder covered metal railings Fabricated by the same contractor who recently installed them for our neighbors across the street at 1019 East Wiley The style would be the same as the ones they put in a picture included though. We would probably modify it if needed We would also like to replace the non-original post light next to the handrail on the stairs by the sidewalk Again, the existing one is made from a flimsy inexpensive material We would like to get a sturdier more visually attractive one that would mit match the Georgian style of the home The staff recommends approval of coa 2526 The current railings and lamp post are not likely original to the house and the proposed replacements are of a style material compatible with the house and the district Is the petitioner present This is the petitioner online I See anybody respond all right, let's bump that to the end and see if they show up So moving on 1200 North Lincoln in the Garden Hill Historic District, this is coa 2527 1200 North Lincoln is a small it's not an altered gable. L. It said that in the shard. I don't think it is It's a small altered cottage with an enclosed front front porch Part of the limestone retaining wall has been replaced with cement block and most of the original exterior materials appear to be missing In February 25 a previous proposal for the addition of a second story was denied under coa 2510 There is a limestone retaining wall and two mature trees at the southern end of the lot The proposal outlines the addition To an existing single-story home expanding the bedroom and bathroom count from two bedrooms in one bath To four bedrooms for baths The project will achieve this by adding a small addition to the south side of the house while maintaining the homes Existing footprint using similar exterior materials and ensuring the design remains consistent with the architectural style of the surrounding neighborhood I Not sure if that site plan is the latest one That's not just The latest one should be your packet. Yeah Which reflects as you see here An alternative plan Staff recommends approval of coa 2526 2527 The proposed addition is set back 12 feet 7 inches from the front facade leaving the side window on the gable visible in addition The addition is differentiated from and subordinate to the original house Overall, the addition is slightly under 400 square feet which would bring the total floor area to approximately 1200 square feet The proposed materials are consistent with existing materials on the house and district guidelines Two points that will require careful consideration are the effects of the addition on the massing of that and outlining of the house Some contributing houses in the immediate context like 303 East 16th Street and 1125 North Lincoln have modest side addition set back from the front a Goal with additions visible from the public right-of-way is to avoid overwhelming the scale and proportion of the structure and surrounding buildings Additionally the effect of construction on mature trees and the stone retaining wall would have a not insignificant impact on the streetscape the revised plans presented for COA 2527 Submitted for the June 4th agenda have a more modest effect on the primary facade and landscape Maintaining the overall character of the original house Does the petitioner of anything they'd like to add Questions check no questions. No questions Yes, I was making sure I'm getting them the right house did the do they have a design review committee that weighed in or anything? Okay, I received some comments about The next design that's coming up as well as the previous design for this location That was included in the May 22nd meeting that was wasn't held So I haven't received comments for the design that's presented here I have a question for the petitioner so the rendering Looks significantly different on the front porch than the existing front porch But I wanted to clarify if you go to the plan The bubbled area on the plan. Is that the only portion of the house that's undergoing renovation, right? Thank you. All right Members the public or the design review committee if you want to We thought it was really unattractive And that about sums it up Do you have any Specific criticism other than it being unattractive any constructive Situation we got Within for the only people in this room In the purpose of these buildings which always seem to get lost in these discussions, which Often are about aesthetics, you know Real life That's my comment on 12 I Hear you on the next one as well, sir. Thank you Do I hear a motion I'll move to approve second All right discussion comments And also any comments Daniel comments Not yet Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I know do you have comments? No, but I I Would like to get a better sense though, I know you said you can't add to just on attractive But is there any More that if you try really hard you can Describe what it is about this that turns you off I hate to say this. I don't know if this is under you But there's no landscaping at all. There's nothing to soften this house That retaining wall is going to be all Cement block now and those trees will be gone and it will significantly change The outward appearance of the house and make it more stark Does that help? Yes, thank you Jeremy your comments no Jack I agree with the staff okay, I guess to address some of the resident comments the HPC Sort of has a limited purview about what we can review and what we can't review and we're looking at what happens on the outside of building Not what they stick in there not what the zoning is So we do what we can do But if something Complies with the guidelines and granted I do agree with the comments that this is Lacking a lot of windows and I think the petitioner will eventually be sad. They don't have any windows in their bathrooms That's not something we necessarily have purview over unless it's reflected in the guidelines so At this point, you know, I'm Daniel Was there somebody else over there? No, I thought you wanted wanted to come back to you. Oh sure Certainly, I do notice the difference and in those drawings compared to the existing photographs It looks different. What is if you look at that? Looks like they're modifying the little vestibule entrance on the front of the house Yeah, I actually asked a question earlier to clarify that with the petitioner and the plan at the addition They stated that's the only thing they're modifying Yeah, that's right. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, I mean comments Make right the point where we will call the vote Unless I don't hear anything further. Is there anybody on line or any other members of the public have comments? Okay, you call it we're ready Ernesto Castaneda no Daniel Schlegel Yes Sam de Saller. Yes Renard cross. Yes Jack Baker. Yes Jeremy hacker. Yes motion carries five one Next item same petitioner same district 1202 North Lincoln this is COA 2528 1202 North Lincoln is a significant significantly altered 1926 bungalow with a half enclosed front porch and a rear addition from the 70s The proposal outlines the addition of a second That's Anyway, the proposal here is for a rear addition that I will show you now This is The houses it exists you can see the Later addition on the rear slightly offset to the side The proposed addition will also be somewhat offset from that in the opposite direction Somewhat visible from the street I Staff recommends, I'm sorry. I was looking back at the Okay Staff recommends approval of coa 2528 the proposed rear addition of 1202 North Lincoln Street is modest in scale and Slightly offset from the alignment of the main structure as is recommended in the district guidelines It's minimally visible from the public right of way and would match material design and fenestration Patterns established in the existing house Questions What's the height I Mean it looks like it's gonna be exactly the same there's no major that same as we're where the addition will meet the existing Jack do you have any questions? Yes, this If you could go back a couple of Pages to the point where we have this roof line. It's very hard I just want to ask what happens to that is that being torn off completely redone? I Can't tell from these drawings where it is And putting it together on the elevations it it looks like it disappears and Is a new roof line? That's a very good question Ideally, it would be great if it could be removed and continued on the whole idea Would be to keep the front half of the house the gable and then the porch gable completely intact Ideally, it would be nice to replace that section of kind of scabbed-on looking roof But it could be it could also be left if that was if that was what needed to happen where and then the addition was All the roofing piece that was added. I guess we're open to that And kind of hard to show It was difficult to show that Exists modification and in rendering forms But a good question I'm not suggesting that it remain. In fact, I would suggest it not remain but I'm just trying to resolve it with the The elevations that were being shown here I don't see where it flows into that or if the sides of it are possibly being taken off the roofline maintained or Just how it fits it looks like there's a slight Discontinuity in the roof, but nothing like that so I'm assuming that that's it's coming off of yeah, we're gonna flow into the New addition in a more fluid manner. It would need to come off in that little dormer that you see about halfway back That's facing south would would stay with the new gable roof line that would continue on to the back and cover the addition Mm-hmm, so the appearance of just a longer a longer house you look at the north a little bit, but then the rear gable would be offset with the offset of the addition There's my questions were also related to that as It does look like the the plans which have bumpouts Don't necessarily were are they're not reflected in the elevations or the renderings so I find that the Whole application a little bit confusing as to what it is you're trying to do But I think we can get to that in and the discussion do we have comments from members of the public This was especially unattractive comparing the two I'm worried that the entrance is going to be changed and Probably should be the west elevation in particular Unseen That's This was another case where I think would be helpful to get clarification as to whether this rear addition is going to be The tires go before proposed Are you going to modify the front entry the front porch? The end on the exterior of the home nothing will be touched except for the rear or the additional Everything that you see in that photo Would remain unchanged So I Think we got two choices here I mean My take on this I'm going to be a little bit editorial Is that the packet we have before us does not? reflect Clearly what the petitioner is trying to do and if you would be willing? to come back with some elevations that Described what exactly is you're trying to do with that rear addition and you know clarify that you're not going to How it ties into the existing I think Jack's comment that that Very awkward roof on the back comes off. It would be lovely. I think you'll get a lot of mileage with us if you Maintain those two gables on the north and south sides of the house and then hit into those so because I think those are sort of character defining elements of the house and maintain as many of the existing windows because When I look at the renderings versus the existing photographs, there's a lot of discrepancies between window sizes and roof and bump ins and bump outs So if you'd be willing to look very carefully at your plan Which I don't really have issue with and just make sure that translates to the elevations We had to see you again next time around, okay So we need a motion We can we I mean we can move to what's the clock on this one It's set to expire. I think tomorrow. All right, so I think what we're gonna do without prejudice We're gonna deny you and then you can come back and we'll we'll go through it again That's that's that's just yeah, that's just a Give us time to get over all our ducks in line All right, would you call the roll Ernesto Castaneda This is to do no, oh yes Just to be clear voting to the we're voting to deny but he's able to come back Yeah, this is just we got a reset the clock Made to deny so a yes vote is to deny the petition Come back anybody Same disorder. Yes, Raynard Cross Jack Baker. Yes, Jeremy Hacker Harry motion to deny carry six zero. Thank you. Appreciate it Thank you both for coming in as well appreciate you Thank you Next item COA 25 29. This is for 601 North Morton Street the showers administrative building Petitioner is Lucas Brown The Shower's Furniture Company administrative building is a 1916 office building Is the petitioner here? Oh Luke I don't know. I'll get it. It's good. You're gonna get it But back to the end as well I like that one. I think that one's interesting. Yeah, okay Yeah Here we go COA 25 31 720 West 11th Street in the Maple Heights Historic District Petitioner is here Thomas doglione This is a circa 1900 gabled Owl House With a rear kitchen addition from the mid 20th century Most of its exterior features have been replaced except for the front porch windows and doors It is situated on a corner lot at the intersection of 11th Street and Maple This request is for the replacement of existing windows with White vinyl windows double hung except on the kitchen addition where sliding windows would be used The replacement windows would be within a couple of inches of the dimensions of the windows currently installed So These are the kitchen windows on the addition which would be replaced with sliding windows Of approximately the same dimensions as the overall opening Existing frames for other portions of the house And Location on the corner lot Staff recommends approval of coa 2531 the repose replacement windows would match the dimensions of the existing windows on the house and the sliding windows are proposed for the later rear addition while the Mabel Heights neighborhood association is drafting a more comprehensive list of guidelines that have not yet been approved by the Historic Preservation Commission the current guidelines drafted for the Conservation district are modeled significantly on those of the near westside historic district Which recommend replacement of windows with the same dimensions and configuration if not the same materials Does the petitioner of anything you'd like to know I mean, it's a learning experience over here Really is an adventure Questions Jackie have questions. Yeah couple questions all the windows appear to be like three over ones these things Um store windows And there's no man, I think they're Got the house in like 1950 and he rolled the woodshed onto the house and made it a kitchen I believe is that one in the south bedroom though last original one. Yes Are they all of this type with three upper one lowest they are Every window in the house is that way now And what are there's double payment they have no storm windows where they ask me What style are they? Basically the same style. I guess I should picture that before you There's an existing photograph. Yeah, I mean I think what he's asking is the top Sash divided into three little windows, or are they just like one big window? The three replaced took out the three How we're talking about them Differing in size slightly. I'd like to get a kind of an idea. What does that mean two inches one inch a half inch six inches? The existing rough opening Oh Thank you Okay, thank you very much Then you have questions questions Do we have any comments or anything from the public or anyone online? Oh I guess I retract that do it did the neighborhood have any comments? So they're changing their guidelines up. Yeah, they're updating them. We're meeting with them tomorrow. Oh, are you? Yes, sir I don't know if they show it might be Elm Heights. Yeah This won't really affect what is you're doing but the guidelines in the future if you do another one I Will fill them in but if you want if you want contact information I can give you there's a neighborhood, you know email Sir See it's too crazy or whatever I Think we're at the point where we can entertain emotion Do I have a second Daniel Jeremy and then Daniel second Discussion Meaning to order Jeremy you have thoughts Daniel Yeah, I think I think the only thing I think it's very interesting That it's a woodshed that was propped up against the back of the house Well, you can see there's a Right after I had to replace and I had to build a frame in there because the wood was slack wood Yeah, I had to rebuild a frame to replace a couple. Well, my dad had a grocery store across the street for They had for a year to build the Grocery until like 1965 and he ran it after he got out of World War II That he traded that that was the Christian Center and he traded it for two pieces of property on the street I got the abstract at home It's interesting kind of to read it Well, the grocery is still standing too, which is handy It's apartments now that they kind of run the old building store I had one other question for you. Are you going to sort of keep the trim like it is? Well, I wanted to match when I had the other windows which then I want to have an exterior I would like to keep the wood, but the wood's kind of really Well, just match the size and size of it as on the rest of the existing house Yes Okay, that makes sense Is that fine? That's perfect Okay That's perfect I'd like to keep it that way, but it's so the wood's, you can just put your finger into it Yes, that's time to upgrade it I think if there's no further discussion, I think we can call the roll Okay Ernesto Castaneda Yes Daniel Schlegel Yes Sam DeSaller Yes Bernard Cross Yes Jack Baker Yes Jeremy Hackard Yes Thank you for coming The area is 6-0 I'll get you your certificate I'll get you a lesson It's going to be a lot here, and I don't know what to do from now on Thank you, Noah Yeah, have a good night You too, thank you Take care See you Okay This I believe the petitioner is going to be Attending online, so I've got two online people If you are the petitioner for 703 East 7th Street Would you raise your hand? People online? Okay He did tell me That he was going to be here, so We might have to bump it back Alright Getting no indication No? I've got two people online and I'm getting no indication from you Okay, alright Alright, big ticket items This one's fine Okay, this is COA 2533 For 206 North Walnut Street In the Courthouse Square Historic District The petitioner is Joshua Brownell The Princess Theatre is an outstanding rated building in the Courthouse Square Local and National Historic Districts Bloomington Restorations Inc. has a facade easement on the property Because of loose and damaged tiles on the terracotta facade The City of Bloomington issued an unsafe order on the property Which has apartments on the upper floors and a vacant first floor The property entered new ownership in 2025 And the owner is proposing a restoration of the terracotta facade The proposal is intended to secure a certificate of appropriateness For the restoration of the terracotta cladding on the facade of 206 North Walnut Street In the Courthouse Square Historic District in Bloomington This property is historically known as the Princess Theatre The proposed work description is outlined in the commercial alteration permit C2592 Is based on the reported findings of the structural engineers report from RC Engineers Dated October 10th, 2023 Based on this report our scope of work is listed as follows But also subject to continuing consultation with RC Engineers As we commence deconstruction and gain more insight into the structural integrity of a facade Carefully remove individual terracotta units and prepare for restoration or replication Removal of terracotta will begin at the top of the parapet wall And may continue as far as the lintel above the large windows on the facade Depending on findings and consultation with the structural engineer Removed terracotta units will be inspected and then either repaired on site Or sent to Boston Valley Terracotta in Buffalo, New York Where fabricators will hand sculpt, fire, and glaze each respective piece to match the original architectural integrity and glaze color The lead time on this sort of replication has been quoted at 9 to 12 months from the time they receive the units The terracotta units that are not needed to be replicated will be restored Using specialized contemporary products manufactured by Edison Coatings Inc, Edison Coatings Co. These products are specifically designed for historic preservation and restoration of terracotta exteriors With the specified areas of cladding removed, we will demo and remove the existing structural brick parapet wall Down to location below the existing roof line that is deemed to be structurally sound by a consulting engineer We will replace the structural parapet with CMU block that is reinforced with rebar and grout filled cells The dimensions of rebar and CMU as well as the PSI of the grout will also be consulted by a structural engineer The proposed structural wall on the west elevation will be inspected and a vapor/moisture burial will be installed in accordance with the engineer's recommendations Through wall flashing and water mitigation systems will be installed with weep holes through newly installed cladding During the 9-12 month lead time required for replication of historically accurate terracotta units, the building will be waterproofed and protected with a semi-permanent cladding or membrane In conjunction with this description of work, we will also be providing a proposed material list for the full scope of the project For the structural parapet, CMU block, Type N mortar, structural rebar, Portland grout, and 220 ladder mesh reinforcement For the masonry anchor system, VBT binotized zinc, DW10 galvanized steel, for the terracotta repair, custom 45, elasto wall 351, and spec joint 46 You can see here the location on the western front elevation where structural brick will be removed to 18 inches below the roof line And rebuilt with 12 inch CMU grout block filled with 3/4 inch rebar reinforcements The terracotta cladding will be removed and then restored You can see here indicating the parts of the facade where terracotta is loose and the petitioner is currently planning on removing and doing repairs Staff recommends approval of COA 2533. The proposed restoration can serve the appearance and materials of the theater's facade without removal of historic materials Limited to the brick parapet wall not visible from the facade and of damaged tiles that would be replaced in kind with terracotta replacements The submitted proposal includes plans for flashing, repointing, and the addition of a moisture barrier and weep holes to slow future water related deterioration The proposed water coating is breathable so as to avoid trapping moisture The proposed mortar mix can be mixed softer than the terracotta tiles to avoid damaging tiles and meet National Park Service specifications The compound selected for repairing the tiles is designed for the task and is capable of expanding with a moisture permeability Comparable to the tile substrate and can be colored to match the repaired tiles Care must be taken with the removal and storage of the tiles that they be marked for reinstallation and protected from the elements The collaboration of the easement holder BRI should be sought in the replacement of tiles and color selection for the masonry repair compound Does the petitioner have any additional comments? I received an email today at 207 from Steve Wyatt stating that he approves everything that I've submitted to you, so he says that he is, as speaking on behalf of BRI, is on board with the resolution. Thank you. Questions? Jack? All right, so as I understand it, the majority of the work is in the upper part of the parapet. That will be taken down, redone, back up block, and so on. The tile itself, I understand the sending some tile off for glazing and coloration and that sort of thing. Did I hear that some of the terracotta replacement would not be terracotta but a coating of some sort? It's a compound that... That's what I mean. Well, there's a repair compound that's being suggested for repairing terracotta tiles that are broken but damaged but repairable. And then the ones that can't be repaired, it sounds like, are going to be replaced in kind. I'm not being critical, I'm just trying to understand what's going on. I gotcha. It's a material that will duplicate to a great extent the terracotta look. Like a glorified historic restoration bondo. I gotcha. Better than. Alright, that's all I have. Questions? Questions? Questions? I've got a couple of questions. One is, is the restoration limited to from the lintel up? Yeah, and I wanted to remark on that. The initial drawing is from my original bid. But I believe that we would deconstruct to roughly 8 to 12 inches below those windows. Because the overall lintel that spans the building is not structurally sound. I don't need an engineer to tell me that. So we would like to consult with RC on that. That needs to be addressed too. There are one or two tiles at ground level that are severely damaged. Would you be willing to lock that in there? My plan is to remove those specifically individually, put them back in. Sweet. And then in this 9 to 12 month hiatus, what are we going to see while the tiles are away? Is it just going to be an exposed block up there? I mean, you've got a year of weathering that you've got to deal with. So I'm just curious what we're going to see. The material I'm planning for that has been something remaining towards this old roof. And it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing thing, but it would be wonderful. And it'll keep the weather out. And it's unfortunately the best thing to come up with until we get this restoration back to what it needs to be. I guess my final question is I'm very happy that you're taking all this stacked masonry off the top and replacing it with a CMU. How are you anchoring, or does your engineer figure it out, how they're going to anchor that CMU parapet to the existing load bearing brick wall? I've discussed it. And as far as the building department goes, I've talked about perhaps north and south structural walls, placing a steel beam at an anchoring point. They advise me to turn that in as a secondary alteration, so much of this project depends on getting the coping and the parapet. And also seeing what you get once you dig into it. So if Mr. LaRue is on board, I'm on board, so that's all good. Thank you. Any other questions? Any questions from the public or anyone online? All right, I will entertain a motion. I'll move to approve COA 2533. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you. Okay, Jeremy. Ernesto Castaneda? Yes. Daniel? Do we have comments? Sorry. I didn't hear any comments. I asked for public comments. Yeah, we didn't have comments from the commissioners. So let's hold on that for my apologies. Jeremy, comments? I think it's a great proposal. Thanks for doing all this work to help preserve this. I hope it works out well. I think it's a good project. I hope the building structurally is in good condition. It's had its problems over the years, and I'm hoping the rest of the building, you don't have any problems with that. This is a big enough project. It's a great project. Can't wait to see it's finished. I hope they show some great movies. They're not going to be doing that anymore. I think it's had the scaffolding out front since I moved to town almost four years ago, so I can't wait to see it again like it's supposed to be. I know scaffolding is expensive, so I wish you godspeed. All right. Eddie, thank you for your patience. All right. Ernesto Castaneda. Yes. >> Yes. >> Daniel Schlagle. >> Yes. >> Sam DeSaller. >> Yes. >> Raynard Cross. >> Yes. >> Jack Baker. >> Yes. >> Jeremy Hackard. >> Yes. >> Motion carries 6-0. >> Thank you for coming in. >> May I ask a question? >> Motion to second. >> As far as, can I expect this to kind of move through the rest of the departments this week, or do we have to commence the project? >> With the planning department? Who are you waiting on? >> I think I've talked to everybody. BRI, you guys, and then Bobby's just waiting on, I think, that person. >> Okay, so planning, I think. Do you want to weigh in here? >> Yes. This commission cannot promise you anything with other departments. You'll need to work with them individually before you can use the COA to move forward with the work. >> Building is usually pretty quick, though. >> Next portion of our evening, national register applications. I know Eddie's excited about this one. He doesn't have a name tag because he doesn't believe in them. >> That's Eddie. >> He's got one here going on. >> He's got one on. He doesn't have one of these. Okay. >> I know who I am. >> Located at 2335 Fountain Drive. This is the Hensenburg School, owned by VET Environmental Engineering. Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 23 -- right, the national register application author who is with us is Danielle Bashong-Bell. Built in 1929, the Hensenburg School at 2335 Fountain Drive is a two-story, five-bay brick, two-to-revival elementary school building with limestone detail. The building is listed as notable in the Indiana Historic Sites and Structures Inventory and has been slightly altered with replacement windows and doors, interior finishes, and a rear one-story brick addition by Indianapolis architects McGuire and Shook in 1957, and a metal fire escape in place of the slide that once ran from the second story. Otherwise, the building retains its location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, and association. The building closed in—sorry, the school closed in 1969. The building was bought by Fields Environmental, which was acquired by VET Environmental LLC, the current owner and occupant, and in 2021, the window openings, which had been previously partially covered with vertical siding and one-over-one vinyl windows, were reopened to full size. In order to be eligible for inclusion in the National Register, properties must conform to 36 Code of Federal Regulations, Part 60.4, the criteria for evaluation. The nomination establishes that the district is eligible under Criterion A because this property embodies a pattern of events or historical trend that made a significant contribution to the development of the community. The Henzenberg School is significant to the National Register of Historic Places under Criteria A on the local level. The area of significance is education for its association with primary grade education in Monroe County from its construction in 1929 to its closure in 1969. It is a rare intact example of a local school that accommodated multiple classrooms, a cafeteria, and other activities during the transitional period between small one-room rural schoolhouses and large consolidated schools of the later half of the 20th century. Additionally, Henzenberg School meets the associated historical context of the Indiana Public Common and High School's 1816 to 1945 Multiple Properties Documentation Form as a two or more room consolidated rural school. Henzenberg School is located within the community of Henzenberg, founded in 1889 by James and Carolyn Henson. Historically, the school was surrounded by modest homes, most likely employees of the numerous limestone quarries and mills situated a half mile to the north in what was previously known as Hunter Valley. The Hunter Switch trail rail line to the west of the school provided access for the limestone businesses to the Louisville, New Albany, and Chicago Railroad, later renamed the Monon. As the local industry grew to include other large companies such as Westinghouse, General Electric, and RCA, Henzenberg remained a working class community for employees of these companies. The school was absorbed into the Bloomington Metropolitan School Corporation in 1953 and remained in service for the children of Henzenberg and the surrounding area until 1969. As at fourth in 36 CFR Part 60, staff has notified the property owner and public officials by letter all have been given opportunity to provide the Commission with written comments or objections. A public meeting will be held on, this is out of date, May 22nd, 2025, where the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission will render its decision on the merits of this application. Recommendation, staff recommends, staff supports the nomination and recommends that the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission support the nomination of the Henzenberg School to the National Register of Historic Places based on the substance of the argument and the nomination. It is possible that the Indiana Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology will request further revision of the nomination form during substantive review, which will follow the Commission's action. These revisions should not affect the case for the nomination. Would the petitioner like to add anything? I don't think I have too much to add unless you have questions. Other than did you read that? I have a copy here in case anybody wants to look. And you can see the slide here. It's not in the PowerPoint, but there used to be a slide. Questions? Go through the same process here? Do you have questions, Daniel? I just wish -- I know they did a tour of it not too long ago, and I was out of town, so I missed it, but I'd still love to see the inside. I think it's great to repurpose a building like this. So I'm personally very -- I know it flows in the comments, but I was super excited to see this. So I'm sure everyone knows where my vote will be. Does anyone have questions? No. No questions? Could you put the slide back in? I'm really keen on the slide. There were two of them, actually. There was one on either side, and one -- the door was bricked in a long time ago, but I don't know when -- They had one of those at my school when I was a kid, and we would climb up after hours. Yeah. When Sarah bought the building, I don't know if the slide still existed or not, honestly. I don't know if it was -- It looks like it was replaced with that fire escape. Yeah. I don't -- Like I said, I don't know if they put that fire escape in or if the slide was just gone. I mean, I -- Let me rephrase that. There may not have been anything when they bought the building. Yeah. I think you really want to know where it is. I don't really want to buy it. So you can put it on your house. But I can tell you that those who are now grandparents that went to the school have said that they had to do fire drills. Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. And that it was horrendous to have to go down that slide. That it was really painful. Wax paper. Wax paper. And because they had cinders at the bottom and you'd hit those, you know. I just think that would be correct. They left off the alligator pit, though. Yeah. But I just -- you know, you can get all kinds of stuff. I'd put fire down. You are part of the problem, sir. Jeremy, do you have questions? No, I don't. Jack, questions? Has anyone come out against the historic designation? I haven't heard anybody. And structurally, it looks structurally solid, is it? Does it have any issues we know of? Sarah, her company, they've done a complete rehabilitation of the building inside and out. I mean, it's solid brick. I mean, it's solid as can be, but that is the business location. So it's an excellent condition. When did they do the renovation? Oh, my goodness. It's been a few years now, actually. It was basically completed about the time of the pandemic because that's when she wanted to have the open house, the initial open house. So it was pushed back, like, a couple of years. But they worked very hard to retain as much of the interior, the original interior finishes as possible. Unfortunately, this did first go through a determination of eligibility with D.H.P.A. That's the first step, you know, to make sure that you can go forward with a nomination. And they felt that the interior, because of the windows being replaced and not having the same fenestration, which would have been originally they were metal windows with multiple openings now. The windows were too altered, and they felt like the interior was too altered. The second floor, they opened it up. They took out walls and made it more loft kind of space. So it does not qualify as under architecture, criterion C. You know, once it's listed, it's listed. You know, it's kind of like having a degree. Nobody asks you really where it's from, it's on the password. So, you know, it's just kind of semantics. Thank you. So essentially, the reason that it's, or I guess in my recommendation and Danielle's recommendation that we're considering it eligible has more to do with the history of the building and its role in the community than with its architecture per se, even though it does have to have some degree of architectural integrity. Have any comments or questions from members of the public? Hansenberg School? Yeah. Great place. Yeah, it's on private superlative. But no, I have to take my hat off to Sarah and them for saving it. Years ago, that was the Carpenter's Hall, which helped define it. And Sarah and them have taken a significant amount of integrity just to keep it in regards to the exterior, because there were several discussions when that came up for sale and was done that would never have done what they've done with it. So I didn't catch everything. I just know it's in this little dead-end area that nobody thinks about that still keeps some historical integrity from an individual that just cared, as opposed to saying, well, what can I do? But the inside was altered really ugly prior to. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, what form does the motion take? As we go to approve the nomination support. The nomination support. The motion of support. We're ready to take a break. Make the motion to support. Does anybody want to make the motion? You're making the motion? Yes. I'm going to second the motion. I'll second. Go for the hat trick of seconds. Call the roll, lady. Are we good? Do comments or we're going? No. Did I miss comments again? You did. I don't like comments. I think the comments, we've sort of had some comments. But if anybody has more comments, please have at. Great project. Jeremy. Yeah. Thanks for pursuing this. Bernard. Same. I'm excited. Yeah, it's kind of a love fest. So thank you. Nothing contentious. It's always the fun part. You know, I served on this board for a number of years. I know that felt good. It's nice to have something that's happy. Thank you. OK. OK. So motion of support? Yes means you support. OK. Ernesto Castaneda? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Yes. Sam Vassaler? Yes. Reynarda Cross? Yes. Jack Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hacker? Yes. Motion carries 6-0. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for coming in. Is that the end of program? No, we actually do have a petitioner for a previous item here. I just asked him to unmute. This is for COA 2532, 703 East 7th Street. Michael, are you there? Yes, I am. Just a second. I'm going to get back to your item. So it's 2532. That's right. OK. 703 East 7th Street in the University Courts Historic District. Petitioner is Michael Chambly. This is a 1915 limestone craftsman house with Italianate features. The building has a rear shed addition that the owners and the petitioner are proposing to redo or replace with a larger enclosed single-story addition. The facade is visible from North Fest Avenue and the parking lot and alley to the north of the building. The scope of work for this request includes the demolition of the existing roof structure, which is 6 by 25 feet at the north end of the existing kitchen. Removal of the existing hood and exhaust fan, one existing window, and existing pantry closet. Installation of a new flat roof, entry door, and exterior siding. Installation of a new kitchen hood, exhaust fan, and makeup air systems. Installation of one metal exterior door. Materials to be used include LP smart side siding with an 8 inch reveal, primed wood composite lap siding, and 5 by 4 smart side trim. The roofing will be flat, gray TPO membrane. Mechanical installations will include the kitchen hood exhaust fan, similar to the existing one. Roof mounted on the new flat roof. A makeup air system installed on the ground level with an existing fenced area. One 12 by 12 inch supply duct up and through the wall connected to the kitchen hood. This is the existing rear addition. Staff recommends approval of COA 2532. The proposed rear addition would replace a later addition on the rear of the house and would not obscure a primary facade. It is compatible in scale and materials to the primary structure and is self-supporting and distinguishable from the original house. Adjacent to a parking lot, its impact on the site would be minimal. The replacement addition would be very close in size to the existing addition and the added vent would be inconspicuous and located on a minor elevation. Does the applicant have anything you'd like to add? Is his name Michael? Michael. That's Chambly. He was not muted. Okay. Is the petitioner still with us? Michael? He's still there. Oh, can you hear me? Yes, yes. Now we can hear you. Do you have anything to answer? Yes, I'm available for any questions. Thank you. Well, let's go into questions. Jack, questions? Well, yeah, I went past this, what was this addition used for? It looks like that fan is big enough for a commercial kitchen. It was a six-foot addition to an existing kitchen. And that kitchen was inside the main building? The kitchen was made. Was that original kitchen inside the main building and then this was added on? Well, I assume so, but there are plaster walls on the inside of this addition, so it could be even older, I don't know. And how much larger is the new addition going to be than this is? It won't be any larger, it'll be the same size, we're just going to put a flat roof on and take away the slump roof to get more ceiling height for the kitchen. And you're removing the existing hood and supplies with smaller? No, it will remount to the flat roof, which by the way is similar to the front entry roof, which is flat. And you're going to reuse the fans and as much of, I assume, the AC? No, we are going to replace the exhaust fan and the hood. With the same size capacity? Approximately the same. When do we think this addition was actually put on the building, do you have any idea? No, I really don't. Thank you. Jeremy, you have questions? No questions for me. No questions. Daniel? Did we just prove something? For a front door or lighting in the front on this one or am I thinking? That was a minute ago. Yeah, there was some front door and lighting. That was a couple of years ago. Has it really been that long? Well, unless I'm just meaning which is entirely possible. Okay. At least two years. Questions? I just thought that front look from them, I think we helped with something recently. But I guess it's been over two years from what Jeremy said. Other questions? Yes. Hi, Michael. Hi, Ernesto. Can you tell us a little bit more about the exterior and the finishes of the exterior? Are you going to help route the water out? Is it going to be the siding painted? I was thinking that we would use a lap siding. It's similar to, I mean there is wood siding on the bump out right now, the six foot of bump out. And we would just be replacing the siding with a horizontal siding and insulating the wall and putting new drywall on the end. Are you going to do white again or is it going to be a different color? I would imagine we would just go white because all the trim is white. I see. Okay. Thank you Michael. Okay. And there is some siding on the attic up here on the top. You can see in the, well in the, yeah. Do you have any comments or questions from the public or anyone online? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion. Make the motion to approve COA, was it 2532? Alright, and I see a second from Jeremy. Discussion? Comments? Remembering this time, Jack? Jeremy. Yeah, it's on the back of the building. It's not really affecting the historical significance of it, so I'm in support. No issues. Okay, I've got no issues. I think from the public, we went there. I'm going to call the roll. Okay. Ernesto Castaneda? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Yes. Amanda Soller? Yes. Reynard Cross? Yes. Jack Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hackard? Yes. Motion carries 6-0. Thank you, Michael. Great, thank you very much. Have a good night. You too. Do we have any other cases that we bumped or is that? No, there's two others. So what happens to those two if the people aren't here? If the people aren't here, are they up against the clock? I think it's considered to action and it's bumped. Right. So that resets the clock. Yeah, because it's considered to action. Thank you. Is anybody here for another agenda item? Is anyone online here for another agenda item? All right. Shower. There's the first. Okay, so the two agenda items that we did not hear tonight were COA 2526 for the replacement railings and the light post and COA 2529 for the rear addition to the showers administrative building. So since the petitioner was not here, these will be continued to the next meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission. All business. So, we normally do outstanding violations for the first meeting of the month. Since this was a special meeting, we're actually going to do those for the first regularly scheduled meeting this month. So we're not going to do those this time around. Good morning, updates, everyone. New business, I actually have a few items, mostly Daniel related. The History Center is going to be having an exhibit opening tomorrow evening at 530 for a project that, you know, the History Center and Liz have been working on about African American history on the Midwest side. So I don't know if there's anything you'd want to add about that. It's part of the new walking tour brochure. So no, you just had how many? A lot? I just printed 500. 500 of those? We've given away a bunch. You can bring some more tomorrow. In a good way. Good. We'll need some more. But it's related to that. So we're super excited about that opening. So we hope anyone that's able to make it can make it. It's open to the public and everyone. Feel free to come on out. Does that mean you're booting us out of the conference room at 5.30? Oh yeah, most definitely. There's free food in the conference room. Then we'll stick around, the good stuff. What's happening tomorrow? We have our monthly subcommittee for meetings to talk about district guidelines basically. Which district? This one I think will probably be Elm Heights, yeah? They were invited. They were invited. There's also Maple. Maple Heights? Maple Heights. So anything with Heights in it? It's all fair game. Which site? That's at 4. That's first Thursday of every month at 4 at the History Center so long as they will put up with us. Commissioner comments? My only one is the garage sale coming up that supports the History Center. We sell full-size garages, yes. But it's literally nearly one acre under roof so it is much bigger than a garage but it's a big part of our budget. It's almost 30% of our budget so they're all items donated so it's on Wednesday, June 11th and then public days are the Friday the 13th so just come out just because of that. And then Saturday the 14th from 8 to 4 each of those days. What happens on the 11th? The 11th, if you have a membership to the History Center or all cook employees they get in a day early. And you can't even tell like when you come in on Friday it's so full you can't even tell people are already in there it's nuts. In a good way. On Friday and Saturday it's 8 until 4. And member day just goes later it's 8 until 6. Any Commissioner comments? You had an email just recently that was an event that we could attend. Could you expand on that a bit? Sure. This is going to be in August. Some of you may have attended camp last year at the annual state conference. So this is the National Alliance of Preservation Commissions. Hosts regular sort of sessions and workshops. This summer there's going to be a program for members of Historic Preservation Commissions to learn about a variety of topics related to stuff ranging from review procedures to coming up with guidelines to advocacy and so forth. So if that's something that you're interested in, email me about it and that's something that you can get reimbursement for. This is going to be online. So if you're not able to attend when the talks are being held, if you've signed up for it, then you should be able to view them, view recordings afterwards. And commissioners are supposed to do a certain amount of education. Right, at least half of our commissioners have to be educated in something this year or else I'm in trouble. That's every year. That's every year. I was not in trouble last year. You guys were fine. Is there going to be a preservation conference, the state preservation conference? There will be. It's going to be in September or October. I should get back to you guys. Yeah. So I don't have information about specific events for that yet. There is going to be a commission related event. I remember last year a couple of people got tickets to attend events outside of that, which was great. There's always a lot of really interesting talks. So I want to get more specific information about that. It's going to be in Fort Wayne. I'll send that out to you guys. Great. Thank you. I think that there are no further comments. We are adjourned. Thank you all for coming. Thank you. Thank you. [Music] (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music) (orchestral music)