- This is the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission, Thursday, October 9. If you would, please
- call the roll. Sure. Duncan Campbell. Drew Herron. Oh, if you want to sit at the table. Oh, sure. Our
- newest commissioner. This is my first time. Please welcome our newest commissioner.
- Nice to meet you. Thanks for being here. Karen Duffy. Elizabeth Mitchell. Ernesto Castaneda. Here. Daniel
- Schlegel. Here. Sam DeSolar. Renard Cross. Here. Jack Baker. Here. Jeremy Hackard. Melody Dusner. Here.
- Thank you. And it appears we have a quorum. All right. I think at this point, do we normally read the
- statement? I've got to find it first before I can read it. It's in there. Yes, it is. And I just am
- not finding it.
- So we normally read this at the beginning of our meeting. For each item, the Historic Preservation Program
- Manager will first present a staff report. We will then hear if the petitioner has any additional
- information, followed by a round of questions from each commissioner. We ask that the petitioners, the
- public and commissioners refrain from speaking.
- until addressed by the chair unless a question is directly addressed to them. If a member of the public
- or a petitioner wishes to comment, please raise your hand until recognized by the chair. And once a
- motion is made, we will open up the discussion of the item for members of the commission. We encourage
- all commissioners, petitioners, and members of the public to be civil and respectful at all times. And
- now I think we ask for approval of the minutes.
- All right. Ernesto Castaneda? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Let me get a motion to approve meeting notes from
- last hearing. I'll second. All right. All right, if you would please call the roll. Thank you. Ernesto
- Castaneda? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? I'll abstain. OK. Bernard Cross? Yes.
- Jack Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hacker? Melanie Dusner? Yes. You have four? Nope, motion carried. So starting
- off with certificates of appropriateness, we have one staff approved application today. This is COA 2567.
- 4908 South Rogers in the McDole Historic District. Petitioner is Sam Parmenter. The request is for the
- installation of rooftop solar panels and staff approved COA 2567. Because the proposed rooftop solar
- array places panels on contours that fit the pitch of the roof and
- The current roofing material is asphalt shingle. There's no additional concern about damaging or obscuring
- more significant character defining roofing material. All right. Thank you. That's all I have for that.
- OK. Then we'll move on. OK. Moving on to commission review for certificates of appropriateness.
- First item, 702 West Kirkwood in the Near West Side Historic District. Do we have anybody either present
- or in person or online for this item? I believe we do have somebody online. Yes, please. Hello. Yes,
- Jennifer Milner. Good evening.
- 702 West Kirkwood is a slightly altered T plan cottage with a five sided L. In 2025, the owner removed
- forward frame double hung windows on the front facing L and replaced them with double hung vinyl divided
- light windows topped with transom lights. A COA application for retroactive approval was denied and
- so the petitioners are returning with a proposal to install windows that match the originals. The request
- to whom it may concern
- We will replace the windows with windows that are the same dimensions and look as the original windows.
- Materials to be used are windows and wood. Further clarification was added that the openings of the
- replaced windows are 84 and 5 eighths inches by 34 and a half inches and the width of the old windows
- and the replacements would be
- 78 inches by 31 inches. Staff recommends approval of COA 2559. Although clarification will be needed
- on the exterior trim of the windows proposed, replacing the former windows with custom windows built
- to size and the configuration of the originals, which still exist elsewhere in the house, would resolve
- the outstanding violation on this property.
- for a second, we have duplicate COA numbers on the agenda. And I just want to clarify maybe by address
- what case we're talking about. Staff review and the 212S Kirkwood card listed as the same COA number.
- At least on the agenda. Oh, on the agenda. Oh, I'm sorry, on the agenda. And this one is correct. Sorry.
- No, I'm sorry about that. No, it's the next one. Sorry. So for clarity, we're on 708.25-50. Yes. And
- this is correctly numbered. I apologize. Does the petitioner have anything that she would like to add?
- I guess I'm confused. Are you just going to be ruling on if I have till the next meeting
- provide you with the samples? Right. The petitioner couldn't be present today in person. I mean, there's
- the option of tabling this. There's going to be a vote one way or another. And right now, it's on the
- item that's been submitted. I think we should go around and let our commissioners ask some questions.
- see how they feel about it at this point. Let's start. If you have questions, please. No. Did we receive
- any specifications on the windows themselves and how they're going to do the installation of the trim
- on the outside? That would be something that we would like to see. Aside from the dimensions, not yet.
- Question. I guess I'll try to put this as a question. Didn't we talk about this at the last meeting
- and decide that we had to have those things before we could vote on the proposal? Yes. So why are we
- seeing it again if they don't have the material yet? Good point. I don't know who that question is directed
- to. Maybe you know of. But if we don't have the stuff we requested,
- Well, I mean, because the vote was to continue, it's back on the agenda. But we don't, or I don't have
- any new information. Why is it back on the agenda if we haven't received the information that we requested?
- Well, it wasn't voted. There wasn't a yes or no vote. So this application, it wasn't denied at the last
- meeting. It was tabled. So it's back and we just don't have the new information. My understanding was
- it was tabled
- in lieu of receiving this information. We have not received the information for some time, though, from
- the petitioner. So that's what we need. So I think we're out of time. Did I miss something? No. It seems
- to me we're at the point of either denying the petition or passing it on to the next meeting with the
- expectation that we would get information, but we haven't gotten information to this point. We've asked,
- I think, a couple times for clarifications and materials. I intend to go around with questioning, let
- commissioners go ahead and ask for what we have specifically needed again. Why don't we continue with
- that and then perhaps we want to make a motion at that point to do something.
- Can we make a motion to deny until they come back with the proper information? I believe we could. I
- believe we could. All right. Motion on the floor to deny and a second at this point. All right. I think
- at this point we call the roll. So real quick, just so I understand. So yes vote.
- would deny it, and so they would come back with appropriate. I missed the last meeting. They'd have
- to come back with the new COA. This one would be dead. They need to come back, hopefully informed with
- the things that you all want to look at so they can include that with their new COA request. And just
- a question. How long has this matter been before the HBC, the violation? I believe since March or April. OK.
- Would anyone agree that it's about time that we look into treating this like a violation? And does that
- need a vote, or does that just automatically happen? I mean, it's been, what, six months, and we haven't
- even gotten the information that we need. I think it's already a violation. Oh, OK. That's why we got
- here in the first place.
- I beg your pardon. So with the denial, we are done with this until they come back with a new COA and
- a new request. I have a further follow-up question. Today, the petitioner understands what is required
- so that, you know, trying to help them understand what is required so next time they come in front of
- the Commission, they bring the necessary information.
- The petitioner hasn't been available for the meetings previously. I wonder if we should, do you care
- to hear from her now? No. OK. OK, so let's be clear. We've got a motion and a second on the table. We're
- going to break with our usual practice, which is usually to do comments, let people talk from the public
- or the commissioner talk, and then go into our motion. But we've already got a motion. So we're going
- to go ahead and let her speak, even though it's a little bit out of turn.
- and out of the way we usually do things, just so we can make sure that this is the motion you all want
- it to come. Let me ask commissioners before we do that, if the commissioners have any additional comments
- they'd like to make before we go to a vote or a denial. All right. Let's let her speak. Hello. Yes.
- Can everybody hear me? Yes, you can. Oh, OK.
- So yes, I apologize this has taken so long. I'm trying to follow what all you guys are saying. I had
- let Noah know that the problem has been that my father is 85 years old and having a lot of health problems.
- He lives 100 miles from here. So I was hoping to be able to get you your information by the next meeting.
- That was what I had told Noah to ask you guys.
- That's really about all I have to say about it. I don't have an excuse. That's why we don't have it.
- My husband has been very resistant about the whole thing, and so it's all fallen on me to try to get
- all this done. And then with my dad's health problems, this has been going on for several months, it's
- really made it very difficult for me. With this vote, if the vote is positive, which is a denial, you
- would be required to come back
- with a new COA, in other words, start the process over. OK. I guess I'm just confused as to, well, it
- just seems like that's going to make it take longer, but we can do it. You know, you guys are in charge.
- If that's what we need to do, that's what I'll do.
- And the vote's taking place because we have not received the materials that we've asked for over the
- past several meetings. So we think it's appropriate at this point to at least put out for a vote whether
- we want to deny or not. So with that, let's call the roll. This is on the motion to deny. So a yes vote
- means to deny this application. All right. Ernesto? Yes. Daniel?
- Jack? Yes. Melody? Yes. Motion carries. All right, motion passes. Thank you. So Jack, should we wrap
- up with this petitioner really quickly? So ma'am, you have an opportunity to submit a new application.
- Yes. You know what the commission has requested.
- So that should be part of your new application that you submit, hopefully in a very timely fashion,
- since you think you'll have the materials by the next meeting. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
- Thank you. All right. To move on. All right. Moving on to our next item. COA application 2568 for 212
- West Kirkwood in the Courthouse Square Historic District.
- The petitioner is Ron Walker. Built in 1882, the Bundy Hotel, or the Irish Lion building, retains all
- of its original iron work with its pressed cornice and brackets and medallions and the cast iron columns
- with their fluting and detailed bases and crowns. Limestone coins at the ground level separate the two
- sections of the building, which are also reflected in the brickwork at the cornice.
- This request is for the replacement of windows in the building. As part of the renovation of the former
- Irish Lion, we seek to replace 14 exterior windows. This narrative does not include the windows on the
- first floor south elevation exterior, which is the main entrance. We plan to address the main entrance
- area in a separate narrative that is also going to be sent as a follow-up.
- We are seeking to replace the existing windows with windows that match the pre-1980s windows, which
- are one over one with no mountains. None of the current windows being replaced are original to the building.
- We believe that the current windows were installed in the 1980s. These wood windows have suffered significant
- deterioration and need to be replaced. The description below aligns with the, sorry, during the operation
- of the Irish lion. Okay, going back.
- Skipped a bit, okay. All proposed windows will be pine clad and the color will be black. During the
- operation of the Irish lion, the East Alley windows did not actually function as windows. A couple of
- windows were covered with plywood and one window opening was actually a solid door that was not utilized
- as an entrance or exit and that we are also converting into a window.
- The description below aligns with the Pella proposal attached as part of this application, which you
- can find in your packet. See here images of what the building looked like around the turn of the century
- as well as in 1978 after it was acquired by the previous owner. So that's what the original windows
- would have looked like.
- Staff recommends approval of COA 2568. While the Irish Lion building was acquired and renovated in the
- 1980s, replacement wood windows were installed with the six-over-six configuration. Photographs of the
- building dating back to at least the turn of the century depict one-over-one double-hung, double or
- single-hung windows on the primary elevation. When this application was first submitted on September 26,
- Custom windows have been designed to match the later appearance, but have since been changed to a design
- more imitative of the originals based on evidence that has been subsequently presented. Some openings
- on the alley side have been boarded up for years and are missing their original fenestration.
- In this case, reopening these spaces and installing windows is encouraged. While unclad wooden window
- frames would bring the new windows more in line with the original appearance of the building, the original
- windows are not being replaced in this instance.
- Is the petitioner present? Yes. Do you have anything you'd like to add at this point? I think
- your description was very good, so thank you. We're here to answer any questions you might have, but
- we're really excited about.
- the improvements to the property and getting it backing to being a contributing place of business in
- the historic square. So our crew is working on that. The work is being done, by the way, by Pritchett
- Brothers Construction, which is the firm that Cook has used for probably 40, 50 years to do the other
- historic renovation and preservation projects we've had around town. So we feel confident in there.
- assessments as well as their quality of work. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. All right. So we're back to
- commissioners. Let's do a round of questions. Drew, would you like to start if you have any questions
- at all? I don't have any questions. Melody? Karen? Any questions? Daniel?
- Anything? None here? Then we could, how about comments? There has to be a motion. Yes, that's right.
- Sorry. So at this point, we can put a motion on the floor. Would anybody? OK. Make your motion, please.
- I'll move to approve. All right. Let me have a second. OK. All right. Let's go around and any comments
- that you have. No, I don't have any comments.
- Thank you. Token anything? Just glad to see it happening. Been worried about this building ever since
- Larry McKinney let go of it. Glad to see it's in good hands. I'm just excited as well. I can't wait
- to see the finished product. Same on that point. And also I want to thank you for
- the clear materials and all the photographs, historic, present. It was just a joy to look at it, really.
- I'm glad to see the boarded-up windows and closed-up areas coming back into use. Laura, I like it. It's
- a blessing. You think, Ruth?
- I think the proposal is great and especially with all the details that they went into to outline the
- project itself is fantastic so I don't have any other comments. Ron, thank you. Looks like a great project
- to me and that building, I know it needs a lot of work but we don't want to see that building ever go
- away. I have high hopes for it at some point. I loved it as a bar. I thought it was a true pub in the
- city and rather than a bar, it was a true pub.
- Enjoyed it for that. So with that, I think we're ready to call the roll. All righty. Ernesta? Yes. Daniel?
- Yes. Renard? Yes. Jack? Yes. Melody? Yes. Motion to. All right. Thank you for coming in. Thank you so
- much. Thanks to you all. All right.
- We are now ready for some DD work, are we? Yes, we have one demolition delay this evening. Demolition
- delay 2525. Address is 503 North Rogers. The petitioner is Kim Lee and Horne, represented tonight,
- I believe, by Carmen Deaton. Is that right? Yes, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Perfect.
- So this includes three contributing resources on the lot at 503 North Rogers, which at one point was
- the Shawnee Stone Company Mill. The mill building is no longer standing. Anyway, more background.
- In 1916, Irving Fell purchased the Shawnee Stone Company Mill and quarried
- and used the land to start a company buying and selling iron and steel. The company was sued in 1988
- by the US Environmental Protection Agency for PCB contamination. In the early 1990s, 27,000 tons of
- soil were removed from the site, transported to a landfill in Utah. In 1996, Harold Dooms bought the
- company and renamed it Wilmington Iron and Metal. There are three contributing structures at the site
- A two-story stone and steel girder loading dock by the B line, which I'm sorry, there's a lot of foliage.
- This is the best picture I could take without trespassing. This built circa 1895. A steel roof shed
- on wood posts. Again, not the best picture. It's sort of open air right now, but there have been a number
- of changes
- to that building over the years. And a 1953 cement block, one-story office building. Just to show you
- a little background on the site, this is the property after it was acquired and turned into a scrap
- metal yard. And at a point at which all the resources that we're looking at are still in place, but
- older ones have been demolished.
- So this is what the tin roof shed looks like, approximate location of the two-story loading bay and
- the office. Does the petitioner have anything that she would like to have? No.
- I think you covered it really well, Noah. And I know there's a few other people online, too, just from
- the development team. I can unmute them. Yeah. Anyway, the staff recommends release of demo delay 2525.
- Thank you. Well, let's ask questions from commissioners. I have a question.
- Do we know what's the future line use after these buildings are done? Can we ask that? I don't think
- we can really ask that. You can ask that. That can't be an element of your consideration. I answer my
- own question. I mean, if you're curious, I guess. I digress. Thank you. Well, as someone who is interested
- in the history of the limestone industry and
- you know, slightly more than an amateur expert on it. I always am trying to get people to look at saving
- whatever remnants aren't particularly in their way and in a way as a way to commemorate sites and a
- lot of almost every mill site in Bloomington we had
- over 18 mills at one time in the city limits. Almost all of them are gone. There's one extant and it's
- probably not going to last long. So I guess my question is would it be possible to particularly the
- iron loading dock configuration up by the trail seems to be marginally on the margin of the property
- and I wonder if it would be possible to
- save that as a way of commemorating the site and the industry that has clearly put Bloomington on the
- map. That's an interesting question. Daniel? Oh, I didn't know. Is that a question for the owner?
- I guess I will, if you could unmute John. Okay, yeah, he's on mute or two. So say I'll let him kind
- of speak to this too, if he's good at all then. Yeah, thank you for having us today and our application.
- And sorry, I was not able to answer the previous question in time about what the future use here is
- proposed is a multifamily development. And our current plan here has
- fire access lane going in this location, as well as there's utilities in this location. So I am not
- sure at this time that the site plan or the utility plan will allow for preservation of this item or
- the other two items. I was particularly interested in that one because it seemed like it might be relocated.
- And the other ones I don't consider as significant historically.
- I wasn't talking about all three of them, I was just asking about that one specifically. Okay. Yeah,
- and I don't have a lot of details on the one there north to the beeline, its size or its current condition.
- Our current plan, like I said, does have utilities in that area, as well as a fire access lane, so if
- it being saved and relocated is a possibility, we'd just like to
- understand more what you all would be looking to do with that and what we're placing that will be proposed
- at. Thank you. Yeah, I'll say mine was very my question would be very similar to Duncan's is with all
- the quarries and the metals that we had here is
- there's gonna be any sort of representation or acknowledgement of what the site was. Somehow just because
- like Duncan said, I mean, this is really what put Bloomington on the map and attracted the start to
- a lot of stuff. So even if you can't save some of the stuff, would anything like from the site or either
- inspired by or repurposing some of the items, is that at all possible or something you'd look into?
- Yes, it's something we could look into. We're always looking to make sure that our proposed buildings
- integrate into the community. And taking the history of this site is always something that we try to
- do when possible. So if there's something that could be done here, we would be open to that. OK. I just
- think it'd be very twisted irony to put up brick buildings on the Stone Quarry site. So that's also
- my opinion.
- I don't have any questions. I like that thought and I'm wondering if it couldn't be treated more as
- a sculptural element and if it has to be removed, moved, moved somewhere else on the property.
- I'm inclined to transfer this down perhaps to another meeting and give our petitioners time to look
- into this and see if it is a distinct possibility to retain this and put it elsewhere on the property
- or leave it where it is. Does that make sense to anyone else? Yeah, I guess I have.
- because it's no acknowledge the photograph is not very clear and I don't really have a sense of the
- full scale of the object. And so I don't, you know, I ask the question, you know, with some hopefulness,
- but I don't really have a personal opinion about whether it's actually possible to move it. So I don't
- really want to set conditions on something that, or delay something that, you know, is in progress,
- but because I think
- I think that the other two buildings, at least in my mind, are not historically significant on this
- site. But that is, and so I'm not sure what the right procedure would be to, you know, as he said, he
- would look into it, and I'm not sure how you, you know, maybe Noah can follow up with them, you know,
- or I don't know. I mean, extending it might get the answer, but you're only talking about a couple of weeks,
- You know, development projects take a lot longer than that to develop, so. But I was thinking about
- the Johnson Creamery when we redeveloped that. We took the compressors that were used in the first,
- really the very first iteration of commercial refrigeration and put them in the landscape, you know,
- which some people didn't like it, but they're still there. So that's the kind of thing I was thinking
- of. I think it's a reasonable idea.
- if the petitioner is willing to take some additional time and look into the quality and condition of
- the loading dock. Is the petitioner willing to do that? Yes, we'd be willing to take a look at it, making
- sure it's something that could be safely
- relocated our request would just be that we're under the understanding that it is something that you
- know there's a currently proposed use in this location and that we just ask that the path we go down
- be just related to a relocation of it somewhere on site and preserving what we can. I know that we do
- have components on site of open space and green space where we generally like to try to
- install some sort of art installation. And this could be something that we do in an open space that
- we have on the project. So we'd be open to taking a look at it and seeing it from a structural and safety
- perspective. It's something that could be salvaged. And something you could give us some rough answer
- on next meeting, which would be about two weeks from now. That same reason?
- It's possible. I need to talk to a few other folks to see what their schedules are. So maybe I'd ask
- for slightly more time than two weeks, but it's possible that we could have an indication and then get
- with no ups in that point of time. And then maybe if we could possibly be at your meeting four weeks
- from now. Well, I mean, the way that demolitions delays work is if it isn't released or recommended
- for designation to council,
- It will keep coming up until the period ends. So whether you want to come back at the next meeting on
- the 23rd or at the subsequent meeting on the second Thursday of November, either option would be available
- to you. OK, that works well. So you could accept a motion to continue this item until November 13.
- Do you all hear that? Yeah. Is anyone willing to make a motion? Motion and second. I'm sorry I didn't
- see who seconded. So we have a motion and second. Any additional comments? Can I request for the Commission to
- to have better photographs? Can we have access to the property and take the proper photographs? Or can
- the petitioner provide those photographs as part of the next documentation? I think the question is,
- is the petitioner the current owner? Only the owner would be able to grant that. I think it's right
- on the trail. Yeah, we are not the current landowner here. But we could request access for when we do our
- structural analysis and more than likely take additional photos. There is a lot of trees in this location,
- so the photos will probably be better than what we have, but just with the understanding that there
- will still be trees in the area. Understood. Thank you. Would you do that, please? Yes. All right. Any
- other questions, comments?
- I think we can call the roll. Okay. Ernesto? Yes. Daniel? Yes. Renard? Yes. Jack? Yes. Melody? Yes.
- Motion carries. All right, motion passes. Thank you. All right, we are at the point. The peers of violations.
- Let me see, I don't have
- I'm sorry, I didn't have updates prepared for you today. Sucks. If I may. Yes. Just revisit the issue
- of the 702 West Kirkwood. You said it's been an issue before the HPC fall, about six months, since April,
- and when I
- asked if we're gonna treat this as a violation. I think there's some misunderstanding. Yes, I got that,
- the violation brought it here, but it's been before us for six months. The COE, we denied it because
- the information that we asked for has not been presented. How long are we willing to wait on the petitioner
- to come back to us before we start taking, or before any kind of action is taken?
- with regards to being in violation. In terms of starting to levy fines? Yes. Because by right, four
- months from now, we could get nothing. So there is not, we've been kind of looking at our rules and
- regulations, and there isn't a particular plaque on when
- things start to accrue or when you would issue fines. It's really open-ended. And NOAA has been doing
- some research, and all the cities handle it differently. So it's really up to your discretion at this
- point, just given what we have in writing, to make that request to the director of HAND, who then works
- with the director of the legal department to determine if that's something that the city is going to
- pursue. So right now, the petitioner has been asked to come back with the new COA.
- And I think if that doesn't happen within a time frame that you think is appropriate, then maybe you
- do want to make a formal request or a motion to request that fines start to be assessed on it. But there
- really isn't guidance or any firm rule in terms of how that is supposed to happen or when that is supposed
- to happen, Bernard. Well, I would petition the chair to coordinate it with the city.
- I think next meeting would be appropriate. If we don't get to see away with the information by the next
- meeting, then we give representation to the city department, which deals with this thing. And we move
- on it. That would be me. And so then we'll try to look at it. Let's give her until the next meeting.
- And then at that point, we'll have a conversation with our legal team.
- Thank you. I think the other thing that, I mean, please move on to new business, because this flows
- right into the next item, which is. OK, great. I sent all of you an email about this, where city council
- has finally agreed or extended an offer, I guess, on their part to have a meeting with us to discuss.
- really any topics related to the historic preservation or the Historic Preservation Commission. I came
- up with council member Cindy Zulek a number of topics that we might want to discuss. There were mostly
- things that she had had questions about, but this is also an opportunity if you have questions or concerns
- that you'd like to raise during this meeting to bring up to city council, including some of these
- again, ongoing questions we've had about enforcement, getting new commissioners, things like that. So
- anything you want to bring up during this, at this point, or you want to reach out to me about, we can
- try and get that addressed in this meeting. It'll be on October 15th at 6.30 p.m. in city council chambers.
- So the invited parties would be anybody who's on the Historic Preservation Commission, as well as anybody
- who's in the city council and our staff here. Unfortunately, Anna won't be able to make it. I mean,
- Anna, Kelly, and Hanson. I don't know if you'll be able to make it. Other Anna will be able to make it.
- What sort of a format will it have? Is it going to be formal with city council? It's more of a round
- table. As long as I've been here, the HPC has wanted to have a work session with city council. So I
- think it's a really good opportunity to kind of have that open dialogue between you both. It might help
- in a lot of ways. So I'm hopeful. The structure right now, as it's presented, the agenda is pretty loose.
- I've put together
- sort of a PowerPoint that breaks it down basically by these categories so that there's an opportunity
- to discuss sort of each little bit rather than sort of getting off into tangents. And some of these
- we may have more that we need to discuss than for other issues. So also I think, you know, just as a
- heads up, start thinking about anything that you might want to discuss at this upcoming meeting.
- And obviously, as many of you as can make it, I'd be happy to have. And I think, like Duncan says, it's
- important that people show up to these things. Members of the public? Yes. It's a putter on me. And
- it's been posted for you all, as well as for the committee, as well as for the council, because we expect
- that we may have a quorum.
- participated in a deliberative session. Can you characterize the format? If it's open to the public,
- which I assume it has to be. Yeah, it absolutely is.
- You know, they've done a variety of work sessions, sort of deliberative sessions like this. The most
- recent one, I think, was last month when it was on housing. The public was invited. And the council
- members had groups of public. And they kind of ran through an agenda and just received feedback to compile
- so that they're taking it under consideration as they're moving forward with their business. So this
- is going to be more of a roundtable setup, I understand.
- I haven't been to a round table, but my understanding is that they've done that previously with budget
- deliberations where everybody just kind of sits around the table. There will be members of the public
- in council chambers that can comment and or listen to what is going on. So, you know, the agenda I saw
- looked pretty good. I mean, it was a very interesting was not inflammatory. So it looks like.
- The agenda that was presented public comment is at the end, so after the roundtable discussion. If I'm
- understanding it correctly. It's a good opportunity. I think so. Most of the Council has given the HPC
- a lot of latitude in setting its own processes.
- by establishing rules and regulations, and that flows down from state law. So we do have state law,
- which gives parameters. We have our code, which gives our municipal parameters. But you all really have
- the nuts and bolts of how things happen in your rules and regulations. So while we may want to look
- at addressing some of those things, there may be some changes that rise to the level of the code amendment.
- And it would be really helpful to have a councilwoman
- who's invited you to come to a joint meeting to help us usher that through should you want to pursue
- a code change and need to get that approved by the city council. So this really is an opportunity to
- work with the council member who's expressed some interest in the issues that you all deal with. Questions?
- This is not an easy code to change because of state enabling and federal enabling.
- That's very true. It was a largely misunderstood point. Even in their invitation, it was misunderstood.
- Well, it included some materials to send out that include the state enabling legislation, because most
- of what we have in our code comes straight from that. I think a lot of this is an educational opportunity
- on both sides, too. From their perspective, what they hear, what they have to deal with. From
- your perspective, what you hear, what you have to deal with.
- what the regulations are. So just, it's a level set conversation, I would imagine. It closes the gap
- a bit between two organizations. Exactly. We tend to be not at opposites necessarily, but aloof. And
- it's always better to get to know your person on the other side. Oh, sorry. Colleague. Okay. Move on then to
- Commissioner comments? Anyone? All right. We have... I would like to welcome Drew. I said hello on the
- way in, but let's give you a formal hello. Nice to see you here tonight. It's nice to meet you all and
- thanks for having me. Are you here as a voting member or are you... Non-voting. Okay. Good. I'm so happy
- to have your comments.
- You and Duncan and Karen all help us out. Yeah, absolutely. Put us back on the straight and narrow.
- Thank you. Also, if I could get a head count of who thinks that they might want to attend the session
- next week.
- Okay. I heard back in an email from Sam, so it should be a good show. Yes. Yeah, I would say everybody
- needs to be there. I'd assume Jeremy, he likes to try and make things. I don't know if I should ask
- this or not. I wonder if we should have any identification ourselves.
- distinguish us from the general audience. Is that important? You'll be sitting at the table, and we
- can bring your name tents. That'd be a good idea. All right. There is no public. And with that, I think
- we can adjourn. Thank you.