- 2025 meeting of the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission to order. Would you call the roll?
- Certainly. Duncan Campbell. Karen Duffy. Here. Drew Heron. Jack Baker. Here. Jeremy Hacker. Here. Ernesto
- Castaneda. Renard Cross. Here. Sam DeSolar. Here. Melanie Duesner. Daniel Schlabel. Here. We have quorum.
- I will entertain a motion on the minutes. I move to approve. I'll second. Call the roll. Sorry. The
- motion second was Daniel. Yes. Yeah. OK. We'll go ahead and call roll for the approval of the minutes
- from October 23rd. Jack Baker. Yes. Jeremy Hackard. Yes. Raynard Cross. Yes. Sam DeSolar. Abstain. Daniel
- Schlegel. Yes.
- That is four. Minutes are approved. Move on to COAs. So we're going to start off tonight with some staff
- approved COAs. First up, COA 2572 for 118 North Walnut Street in the Courthouse Square Historic District.
- Petitioner is Eric Stanley.
- This is the Wiley Building in 1900, circa 1900 commercial building with a severely altered storefront.
- Within the last 10 years, the standard unoriginal double doors have been replaced with a double casement
- window. The request, this application is being submitted for the proposed removal
- of a limited portion of the existing storefront at 118 North Walnut Street, comprised of a transaction
- window with a glass transom above to be replaced with a single pane of glass. The proposed replacement
- glass pane is the center of the three-pane section of the storefront. The removal of the transom in
- addition to the transaction style window would allow the new pane to align with the height of the adjacent
- exiting panes.
- The proposed new glass is to be the same color as the adjacent glass. If any portion of the storefront
- jams or sill require replacement or refurbishing, once the transaction window is removed, the aluminum
- storefront will be replaced in kind in both color and profile to match the existing storefront. Sincerely,
- DLR Group, Eric Stanley, AIA. Staff approves COA 2572.
- The alteration proposed to this non-contributing window would maintain the existing scale materials
- and overall appearance of the storefront, with the exception of converting the double casement windows
- into a single pane. Although this design would not attempt to replicate the building's historic appearance,
- it would be more consistent with historic storefront window configurations found in the district. OK.
- Moving on, another staff approval COA
- 2574 at 208 East 15th Street in the Garden Hill Historic District. Petitioner is Tina Sums. The request
- here is for a rear privacy fence. 208 East 15th Street is a side table, 1928. Minimal traditional house
- with a classical portico. It retains a high degree of integrity. This proposal out.
- the plan for the installation of a six foot pine privacy fence on the above reference property. The
- project is intended to enhance the property's privacy and provide a safe and secure outdoor space for
- pets and children. The fence would be a severe weather doggie or privacy fence, six feet unpainted wood.
- It would be installed along the property line entirely within the designated setback area and not extending
- into the front yard setback.
- A site plan is attached for visual reference. There will be two four-foot gates. The fence would not
- be installed within the front yard setback, which limits opaque fences to 42 inches in height. The fence
- would not obscure visibility on roads or sidewalks. All necessary permits will be obtained prior to
- construction. The following documents are included in your packet. A site plan showing the exact location
- and dimensions of the proposed fence
- A diagram or image of the six-foot fence style. A couple of bids. We believe that this project aligns
- with local ordinances and will serve as a safe and aesthetic improvement to the property. We are available
- to meet with the Planning and Transportation Department to discuss the proposal further. Respectfully,
- Tina Sims. Staff approve COA 2574.
- The proposed privacy fence would be set back from the front elevation, not obscuring the house. It would
- meet the unified development ordinance guidelines. I believe that leaves one more staff approval, COA.
- COA 2575 for 818 East 3rd Street, the Tri-Delta House. Petitioner is Leila Taylor. The Indiana University
- Tri-Delta House is an individually listed
- as a local historical district. The building demonstrates a high degree of integrity. On July 24th,
- COA 2542 was issued for the installation of a standing sign. However, the dimensions of the proposed
- sign have changed from 60 by 18 inches to 50 by 36 inches. They will still be installed on 48 inch wood
- posts. You can see on the right the previously
- approved design on the left, the modified design, and staff approved COA 2575. The proposed sign is
- modest in scale and design, similar to many other signs on the IU campus. Its location on the lot does
- not obscure or damage any historic features, and the alteration proposed for the design are no less
- appropriate than the previous design. Procedural statement, sure.
- At this point in the meeting, the Historic Preservation Commission will hear petitions for certificates
- of appropriateness, followed by demolition delays. For each item, the Historic Preservation Program
- Manager will first present a staff report, then hear if the petitioner has any additional information,
- followed by a round of questions from each commissioner. To ask the petitioners, the public,
- and commissioners refrain from speaking until addressed by the chair, unless a question is directly
- addressed to them. If a member of the public or a petitioner wishes to comment,
- Please raise your hand until recognized by the chair. Upon completion of public comments, the chair
- will entertain motions from the commissioners regarding relevant certificate of appropriateness or demolition
- to life. Once a motion is made by a commissioner, the chair then opens up a discussion of the item for
- members of the commission only. The chair will call for a vote once each commissioner has been given
- the chance to comment on the motion. We encourage all commissioners, petitioners, and members of the
- public to be civil and respectful at all times.
- Okay. Our first commission review COA of the evening is COA 2570 for 212 West Kirkwood in the Courthouse
- Square Historic District. Petitioner is Ron Walker. Built in 1882, the Bundy Hotel or Irish Lion...
- Is the petitioner present? Yes. Okay, thank you. The Bundy Hotel or Irish Lion building retains all
- of its original ironwork with its pressed cornice and brackets.
- with its pressed cornice of brackets and medallions and the cast iron columns with their fluting and
- detailed bases and crowns. Limestone coins at the ground level separate the two sections of the building,
- which is also reflected in the brickwork at the cornice. On October 9th, the COA was approved for the
- replacement of the existing windows. This follow-up proposal was submitted for the October 23rd meeting
- of the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission and continued at the request of the
- petitioner wish to change the proposed mullion arrangement for the storefront windows. The request,
- as part of the renovation of the former Irish lion, we seek to make modifications to the storefront,
- the first floor south exterior. In summary, we seek to take two primary actions. One, remove the nonhistoric
- architectural feature, the door and alcove,
- that objects on the left west end of the storefront and align the double door entrance so that the doors
- are centered in between the two columns. As part of this, we would replace the windows so that they
- were even and balanced or symmetrical on each side. The existing storefront consists of single pane
- glass. The wood construction was most likely installed when the Irish lion was created in the early
- 1980s. The current glass is not energy efficient.
- and the wood construction is in poor condition and has not been maintained. Our intention is to replicate
- the trim with new construction while centering the double doors, creating a symmetrical facade. New
- doors would be constructed to match the existing doors. The only difference will be insulated glass
- panels will replace the stained glass that was added by the Irish lion. The intent is to provide maximum
- daylight to the interior.
- In summary, the front facade will be rebuilt with energy efficient material while matching the existing
- wood trim and profile dimension. And the existing black color of the doors will be located to make the
- front symmetrical. Although not depicted in this rendering, the pediments and other details on the front
- door will be replicated. The wall tile and the vestibule is to be replaced with tile imitating the historic
- tile on each wall of the exterior entrance.
- and staff recommends approval of COA 2570. Comparing the oldest available photographs of the Bundy Hotel
- with its appearance from the same angle in 2025, the primary entrance appears to have been moved off
- center in the last century. During this time, the storefront has undergone several changes, including
- the addition of an alcove door on the west end of the facade and the addition and removal of a canopy.
- The current fenestration pattern and materials, as well as the proposed alterations,
- do appear very similar to the building's original appearance. The front double doors were already in
- place when the building was last renovated and are most likely original. Old holes and impressions in
- the doorway indicate, however, that they may have originally been hung differently. The stained glass
- was installed at a later date as well. Overall, the condition of the doors have deteriorated and repairs
- may be difficult or ineffective where wood is missing.
- Does the petitioner have anything that he would like to add at this point? Hi, Ron Walker with
- CFC Properties. We continue our work on the property and I wish I could describe what we were doing
- as eloquently as you just did.
- But our goal, we have two. One is to maintain the front feature as much as we can. But we also wanted
- to achieve symmetry there. That was an important point for us. And if any of you have ever been to the
- Irish Lion, I've probably went too much for a period in my 20s.
- You never use the front doors, the main front doors. You always use the side door. And we really want
- to make that a more accessible entrance. We want to bring more light into the first floor of the building.
- And we really intend to replicate, save where we can, but replicate where else where we need to what
- you see currently and what you've been accustomed to seeing for decades.
- down to the pediments and every feature that we can. That is our goal here. We think we'll use more
- energy efficient materials. Some of it will be newly constructed. That's our goal with this property.
- I think this could be our last request. I'm not sure if we would have anything else that we would be
- doing in this property that would require one. Thank you.
- Uh, questions. Jack, you have questions? No more questions. Jeremy, you have questions? Uh, Noah, just
- in terms of the doors being centered for buildings like this, was it ever common for the buildings to,
- or the doors to be originally offset like that? Or can we say for certain that it's definitely something
- that happened later? Um, I mean, at least for this building, we can tell that it was done later, um, because,
- I wish I had a better comparison photo in here, but you can see the sort of like Edwardian looking picture.
- It doesn't have that alcove in the side. And the double doors are more centered than they are now. Also,
- there's a few more details. I went out to the property with Ron and had a closer look at the alcove.
- You can see there's some modern two by fours in here where that alcove was
- built at a later date. Probably, I don't know if this was when the Irish line was put in or before then.
- And also where some of the older trim has been covered up where that alcove was added. So, I mean, it
- does look like, yeah, these doors were originally centered. Okay. And then my other question is for
- the petitioner in terms of the double doors themselves.
- You're saying you're going to have to replace them completely. So what are the current issues with the
- two existing ones? If you were to look at them, you would see how they've been patched together. They're
- not a complete door now. There's some modern hardware on them that is not historic. Some of the original
- main piece of the door has just been
- augmented significantly, obviously. We think probably late 70s, early 80s. With the Irish line. Yeah,
- we think so. And it's just there's not a lot of structural, what's the word I'm looking for, integrity
- to them anymore. And so we've looked at them, but our carpenters, the Pritchett brothers, don't believe
- that they can be maintained if they're going to actually be used as a burrow away. OK, so. Thank you. Karen?
- Will, I have a follow-up question to Jeremy's. Is your plan then to find historic hardware to put on
- the replica doors? You mentioned the current hardware is not just enough. Yeah. We could look for that.
- Yeah. I think that'd be very welcome if we could do that. That's all? Yeah. Any questions? Daniel, questions?
- Okay, I've got a couple of questions. So it sounds like you're replacing the front doors. The existing
- front doors have this sort of ornamental applique on the outside and they have it's sort of a half three
- quarter like a wood door. One of the things I'm a little concerned about is like you say, you're going
- to replicate a lot of stuff. So would you just walk through? Are you going to
- replicate the how about the sill meets the ground that little knee wall under the the existing windows
- that you're planning on replicating the profiles and the the wainscot on the exterior of that yes okay
- and then the trim above the door in between the transom and the double doors and then you're using like
- a wood replacement door for the double doors yes okay
- Okay. Absolutely. And are you planning to replicate the applique or just like plain wood double doors
- or what's the? We're planning to replicate for the most part exactly what you see there. Okay. Yeah.
- And I guess the other question I've got is in plan, I'm assuming you're going to go back to where those
- windows are, sans the alcove.
- So you're matching that line. You have the columns, which are staying in place. And then there's that
- whole line of stuff. And you're centering the doors, which are basically the same size. Yes. Yeah, yeah,
- yeah. Yeah, you're correct with that. OK. Yes. I think that's all I got. OK. Yeah, good question. We
- do plan to go back and stay in that line with the entire front. Yeah, I'm totally behind this. So I
- just wanted to check in and not my eyes. Good, thank you. Do we have any questions or comments from
- the public?
- Yep, over there. What are you going to do with this stained glass? I don't know. It's green. Yeah,
- it is. I was wondering that myself. We haven't gotten to that point yet. But we may try to use it in
- the next use of the building. Anybody online have a question? I don't see anybody standing around.
- Thank you. I will entertain a motion on this one.
- I recommend approval of COA 25-70. Do we have a second? I'll second. Thank you one, Daniel.
- There's a race. Jam me on the schedule. Comments? I'm excited with the photos to see it re-centered
- again like it should be. I think it's going to be good stuff, so I'm excited for this. Thank you.
- You know? Oh, I like it. If you don't mind me asking, what are you going to use the building for?
- The concept is still to be determined, but we, exact concept, it's gonna be open for future food and
- beverage. Okay, cool. Yeah. Karen, come in. Oh, I like it too. I think the centering makes a huge difference
- visually. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for taking care of this building. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah,
- I'll pass that on. Glad to see it's going back in something of an original form. I've always enjoyed
- looking at the building
- that has nice, just nice characteristics and I'm glad that we're keeping them and keeping them up to
- date, modernizing and at the same time weatherproofing and taking good care of the building. Thank you.
- I want to thank you for taking good care of this. I think it doesn't exactly match the historic photographs
- but more light, not a bad thing and you know you're keeping with the spirit of the building and
- It's definitely an improvement on what's there, so I greatly appreciate what you're doing. I think we
- can call the roll for a vote. There's been a motion and a second to approve the COA. We'll go ahead
- and vote. Jeff Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hacker? Yes. Reynard Cross? Yes. Sam DeSolar? Yes. Daniel Schlegel?
- Yes. This motion passes 5-0. Thank you for coming in. Thanks to you all. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
- Thanks, Noah.
- Okay, next item I heard from the petitioner that she's traveling today and won't be able to attend.
- So unless I hear otherwise and somebody shows up for this item, it may have to be continued to the next
- meeting. This is 2573. Just in case, would you like to kick this to the end of here? Sure.
- Next item, COA 2576. Is the petitioner present? Yes. That's right. OK. 200 East Kirkwood. This is the
- People's State Bank. Built in 1961 by Monocle and Wolverton, Inc. The Bloomington National Savings and
- Loan Association building is rated notable as an international style commercial building. It was designated
- as a local historic district in 2022. And several stories have since been added.
- for the building's conversion into a hotel. The request is for the installation of a backlit sign onto
- a marble curtain wall. I subsequently received some more information about this proposal in an email
- from the petitioner, so I'll go ahead and read that application. Please note that the existing Blackstone has been
- has several patched drill holes from the previous bank signage, hard to see in these images. Note that
- a single half-inch hole with power stubbed through it already exists that will be used for the signage
- power. Most importantly, note that the new signage, unlike previous signs, will be anchored to the wall
- through vertical mortar joists so as not to add further damage to the blackstone panels.
- This will easily allow for the signage to be removed and changed in the future without leaving a bunch
- of holes. And furthermore note that the signs are cabinet signs, not individual letters. So it is easy
- to drill mounting anchors at the joints and not create a shotgun of holes in the stone face. The hotel
- is in the midst of amending our lease to include a lot of common space area that would include the Washington
- Street side of the building.
- Once this is done, we will be requesting that signage be allowed on the Washington Street side as well.
- This was the original plan, but due to our lease space on the blueprint, the city said that we cannot
- hang a sign there. We will be seeking that permission once I have the drawings. That being said, can
- we request at this meeting, should the city approve that signage in the future, that we may hang a sign
- on the Washington Street frontage in the same manner as the Kirkwood Avenue frontage. Thank you for
- your time and I will see you Thursday.
- This email was in part a response to the staff recommendation, which was against approval of
- this application, sort of out of concern for protecting the black marble curtain wall. The building's
- curtain walls and large plate glass window make sign placement a challenge, particularly if the marble
- wall is to be protected. One way to prevent further damage to this material would be to attach the sign
- to the awning.
- Since the building itself is modern and the scale of the sign is not obtrusive, staff does not find
- an issue with the design proposed. I will say what's proposed in this follow-up email, and sorry for
- sort of jumping back and forth, for anchoring into the joists between the stones is different from the
- proposal from Sign Solutions that you see in your packet.
- So I think that may have to be a topic for conversation tonight. At this point, do you have anything
- else you'd like to add? No, I think you said it very well. I mean, yeah, the Science Solution people
- have told us that they, instead of putting into the black marble, Teresa, a better way to not
- To protect it more would be to go through the joints so that there would be minimal damage, if any,
- to that. So I felt like this was a really good solution to what was proposed. All right. Questions?
- Shannon? I just wanted to make sure. So you said in your follow-up.
- I couldn't read it back here. That there's already power through one of the previously drilled holes?
- Yeah, you can see in the sign, when the hotel did theirs, you can see a little dot on that picture.
- Yeah, right there, there is actually power that's already been put there. The hotel did that, I think,
- when they were building out. I just want to make sure I understood that. Yeah, so the power is already
- there. We don't have to. That won't be another hole in addition. No. OK. There's like a junction box
- there. Perfect. OK. I think that's the only question I had.
- We're not. No. Karen. No. Karen. Just forgive me if I missed this, but there's already kind of like
- a, like I said, awning with a posh sign that's hanging down. Is there not, is it not like a possibility
- to have it hanging from? Not according to the owner of the building. Ah. Maybe they kind of lost it.
- I see. And we also didn't have it powered. I mean, that wasn't an option when we were doing this. I see.
- So there's no power that would be, we would have to, I think I put in an email to Noah earlier was that
- we would have to move the posh sign because our sign is square and it would definitely look funnier.
- We'd have to put two of our signs and I did inform the owner to ask if that was a possibility and his
- response was absolutely not.
- So nope, I'm sorry to say. Thank you. The smacks of the signage issue we had with the donut shop down
- the street. Question of sign with light. Seems to me we had similar questions. How does this fit with
- city code on signage, especially the lighted signage?
- Is it allowed? What about light levels, that sort of thing? I'm questioning that. Do we want light at
- signage here? Is this a question for planning? I think it would be a good question for planning to find
- out if light at signage is allowed, first of all. Well, we have somebody from planning here. Yes, Joe
- Patterson, zoning along the range of planner.
- in our review of this. Yeah, we reviewed the lighting aspects and the character of the area and we felt
- that due to the variety of signage in the area, you know, with your CVS, the freestanding sign across
- the street with the church and the posh signage and other uses on Washington Street, we felt that the
- signage kind of
- the end with that variety of signage and the lighting. So we did not see any issue with that. Not an
- issue with brightness. It's a backlit sign. So it won't be nearly as bright as you would have, I think.
- They can be. Yeah, they can be, but no. That's why I'm asking questions. I don't think it will be. No
- more questions. All right.
- So how wide is the mortar joint? An estimation, probably about an inch. I don't think so. I mean, oh.
- Quarter inch? Could be. So the anchors are a quarter inch in diameter.
- I mean, this is a modernist building. And when you get past that, there are 3 eighths of an inch. But
- of this era, they can be a quarter. They can be an eighth. So my big concern here is that if you start
- drilling even into the joint, that you're going to damage the panels. And that's original material.
- All of the storefront, all of the spandrel panels,
- That's all new stuff. And I am much less concerned about mounting anything there. But I have concerns
- about mounting on the original marble wall. Would you be amenable to putting signage either on or behind
- the windows or the spandrel panels? I would have to.
- consult the owner, for sure, on that. Not the owner of Gables Bagels, but the owner. Of the building.
- Yeah, of the building. I think it would, by putting a sign like that on the window itself, a backlit
- sign, it's going to not let light into the building. I mean, the natural light of these huge windows
- that are there now, to put it on that window, I think, is going to create a... Do you know what I'm
- saying when I talk about spandrel panels? No.
- So would you go to the elevation if there's a... Wait, this elevation? The picture of the elevation
- on Kirkwood. And zoom in on it, if you can. So that black stuff above the other, you can't see through
- that. Correct. That's all spandrel panel.
- That's what I'm talking about. Oh, up high. Up higher. Oh, I was still looking at the marble there.
- I was like... No. See, all the marble is original material. All of the aluminum storefront, all of that
- glass, all of the spiral panel, which is the window you can't see through that covers up the floor plate,
- that's new stuff. So that's less precious. Sure. I get that. I understand that. That makes sense.
- I guess my question for that would be that the point of signage is to be seen. And like in this photo
- in particular, it would be difficult to see with the trees. And we have leaves on the trees nine months
- of the year. And so that's going to make it less impactful for us. Is that glass to the left or the right?
- Those are windows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the store is. That's where they are. That's where
- the store is actually. You can actually sign on the inside of the glass. Well, I don't know that we
- can. It's pretty wide. I mean, it's from what I've seen, I think it's six inches wide. To put it inside,
- it won't fit in that panel width. If you know what I mean, the window panel is not wide enough,
- I don't think, for the
- Well, the sign hasn't been made yet, has it? It is in production, yes. I mean, that was what the owner
- of the building told us to do. He wanted that. I'll also speak from the planning department's perspective.
- Window signage cannot cover more than 25% of an individual pan. OK. Thank you.
- That's fine. But it's a huge pain, though. Yeah, it's a big pain. It is a big pain. It is a big pain.
- Do we have any idea of the weight of the sign? I do not. Are we 50 pounds, 25 pounds, 15? It is a cabinet
- sign, so it's made out of mostly aluminum. So it's pretty thin, or it's pretty light. It probably has
- some depth to contain light. Correct.
- That's what I said. I feel like one of the things I saw on there said it was like six inches wide. Six
- inches deep. Yeah, sorry, not wide. So I couldn't tell you what that was. I think what I'm getting at
- is if it's not too heavy, if it were 100 pounds signed, that would be one thing. But if it's going to
- be on the order of I
- would guess it could be, what is it, roughly 40 inches by 18, something like that. It's 50 by 24. That
- it'll be light enough that if we weren't worried about the joint, a smaller holder in the joint and
- a 20 pound sign, I don't worry too much about.
- something heavier than that, I would. I'm just trying to get around what this really is and what damage
- it might cause. Yeah. I had to go over and check the joint size before I came here tonight, but I did
- not get that done. So I think we can do a couple of things. We can say, let's table this until the next
- time around, and I'll go check the joint sizes. And if it's not a problem, it's not a problem.
- And if it's not going to damage the joints, I'm not going to have issues with it. I would like to hear
- from anybody if anybody else would have issues. How risky is it to be going into those joints with that
- sort of like black marble material? If the joint is over a quarter of an inch, it's not a problem. If
- it's a quarter of an inch, it's a problem. And those joints can be anywhere from 3 eighths to a 16th.
- depending, I just don't know what it is. They are an expansion joint type, aren't they? No. No, they're
- just mortar joints. So you put them in, apply mortar, that's what holds them in place. There is no expansion
- to them, so there's no real damage to anything beside it or above it. So in other words, it's not putting
- pressure on it. If you're drilling into that, you're just getting rid of the mortar.
- Provided that the joint has the width. And these tapcon question for you, there's no sleeve on these,
- right? It's just. I don't believe there is, at least. That's not what was given to me, the information.
- Oh, yeah. OK. So if you're using quarter-inch tapcons. Yeah, I don't see any mention of a sleeve in
- this. No, they shouldn't have sleeves. OK.
- So we can either do this, we can continue it, check the joints out, or we can say conditional approval
- based on joint size, or we can deny it and suggest somewhere else to go. So I think I've gotten a little
- off track. I think I will entertain a motion of where we need to go.
- Well, a conditional approval would be approval for basically what was described in the follow-up email,
- drilling into those joints, and essentially would be accepting that the holes might be wider than the
- joints. But we simply don't have that information right now.
- I'm looking at the manufacturer's website for Tapcom. And for a quarter inch anchor, you use a quarter
- inch bit, right? And if it's a quarter inch, that's actually kind of problematic. So it's got to be
- at least 3 eighths of an inch for this to work. Well, it worked for me anyway.
- Or bigger. I mean, the other thing you could do is go back to your sign manufacturer and can you use
- more anchors that are three sixteenths? Depending on the size of the sign and patient. But what we've
- gotten here from you is like a quarter inch. And that worries me. I mean, I'm happy to go back and ask him that.
- I don't know why that wouldn't be a possibility to be able to do that, to do the smaller anchors, but
- it would be more holes. I think he was trying to stay away from more holes. It's the holes in the marble
- we care about. Yeah, I get it. Not the holes in the grout or the mortar. If you can get more holes that
- are smaller, not a problem. I think we might be able to do a conditional approval
- based on compatibility with at least a 16th of an inch smaller anchors than joint size. Verified by
- no loaders. Verified by no loaders. Are you comfortable with that? Yeah, if I could get some follow-up
- information afterwards. OK. You're done with that? Sure. OK. I'm going to do a trial balloon here. I'm
- going to move me forward to our next meeting.
- with the understanding that we'll be looking at joint sizes and possibilities for CAPCOMs or other kind
- of holders for the sign. And we will resolve it by the next meeting and could go on from there. So we
- have a motion on the table. Do I have a second to continue? All right. You second? OK. Would you call
- the roll? Just a comment. Comment.
- made my motion, no comments. Yeah, I think just figuring out the physics here is really important, at
- least to me, because I think if we can drill in there and not harm the marble, then it's like, OK, this
- is fine. I think we just need a little bit more information. OK, works for me. Karen? Yeah, sounds like
- a good strategy to table it. Yeah. The motion, just to make sure I got it right, was just
- get more information for the next meeting. And to find out if more anchors will work for the sign or
- if they'll do it slightly. I'm going to have to get technical with this for a bit. Per our rules and
- procedures, because this would go over 30 days and the commission's had an opportunity to hear it,
- Continuing it to the next meeting would require assent from the petitioner. So you would have to agree
- as well. So if you have an objection to continuing this, or would you be all right with continuing this?
- Well, I guess if this means that I don't get a sign, if I do object, then yes, I guess I will agree.
- I thought we'd be done today, so. It's hard to know sometimes. All right, so I heard that as an assent.
- Is that clear? Yes. All right. Any additional comments from planning? Nothing else from planning. I
- just got to make sure to seek public comment as well. Do we have anything from the public? Anybody in
- line? I'm not seeing the person online raising their hand.
- So the motion is to continue to the next meeting, pending information on connections and joint size.
- Would you call the roll? Yes. OK. And this is for COA 2576, the motion to continue this to the next
- meeting. For more information from the petitioner, Jack Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hacker? Yes. Bernard Cross?
- Yes. Sam DeSolar? Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Yes.
- So that motion to continue is approved 5-0. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. We'll work through it.
- See you next February. Thank you for your patience. Next item, COA 2577 for 703 East 7th Street in the
- University Courts Historic District. Petitioner is Michael Chambly. Is the petitioner present?
- Okay. I can probably unmute him as well. Okay. 703 Seventh Street is a two-story limestone craftsman
- house with Italianate features. The facade is visible from North Fest and the parking lot and alley
- to the north of the building. In June 2025, the property owner received COA 2532 for the replacement
- of the rear single-story
- shed addition. The fire marshal has since requested a revision to the proposed rear addition which would
- allow more clearance for the kitchen exhaust which would extend the addition north another five feet
- into what is now the parking lot. This proposal also includes the construction of a wooden deck and
- ramp at the northeast corner of the first floor of the building. Just walking through this.
- So to sum up in the architect's words from the previous application on May 15th, the scope of work includes
- the demolition of the existing. Hi, can you hear me?
- So I guess in short this involves the demolition of the existing rear addition, building a new rear
- addition with a flat roof, entry door, installation of a new kitchen hood with an exhaust fan and air
- system, installation of a metal exterior door,
- be used LP smart siding with an 8-inch reveal. And this new proposal also includes the construction
- of a deck at the northeast corner of the property.
- The staff recommends approval of COA 2577. The proposed rear addition would replace the later addition
- on the rear of the house and would not obscure the primary facade. It is compatible in scale and materials
- to the original structure and is self-supporting and distinguishable from the original house. Adjacent
- to a parking lot, its impact on the site would be minimal. The replacement addition would be very close
- in size to the existing addition, and the added vent would be inconspicuous and located on a minor elevation.
- The deck likewise would be minimally visible from the street and is appropriately scaled to the building.
- Is there anything the petitioner would like to add? Is the volume up enough? I'm typing with him to
- see if he's able to hear us in the meeting. And he is unmuted.
- in the chat from typing. He might not be that familiar with Zoom. I cannot hear him. OK, he's not hearing.
- OK. We have audio shared. Yeah. Picking that up. Yeah, the microphone is registering things. Yeah. There's
- one thing in the chat. Is that not? Yeah, we're typing.
- volume on your end. We're getting a statement via the chat. Yeah. And then I'll add, I'm just going
- to do that, too. Why don't we wait, can we get two minutes? Is there a courtroom with them? Yeah,
- there is a. You're going to have to pause. Two minutes? Sure.
- Figure out this chat thing and then go back to the items. Michael, we just heard you.
- So he says he's turned up his speaker volume, but no sound. Are you able to hear this right now? You
- might be able to turn on the transcript if you click on the three dots in the corner and then for more
- and then transcript. Are you telling me this? Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. It should have been more clear.
- So I should be typing this to him? Yeah.
- I'm happy to have him call my phone and I could have him on the phone.
- speaker as well. I'm a little bit worried that we can't actually communicate with the petitioner. Yeah.
- And I don't mind as long as, I mean, he can just call my cell phone number and I'll put it on speaker.
- I mean, tell him that. Will that be fine? I can put it up to a microphone. Yeah, let's just try that.
- And we can repeat it if it's not clear. Yeah.
- That's odd. So he's... Currently he's muted. Ask him to unmute again. Thank you.
- Michael, you are unmuted. Will you try again? Nothing. Okay.
- This is a Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Yes, this is Michael Chamblee. Oh, we're hearing
- you on. That's great. We can hear you through Zoom. So would you prefer to talk through Zoom instead
- of on the phone? Do you want to try speaking again? I don't know what's been said because I don't have
- any sound. Oh, so I can't speak. OK, then I'm going to put you on speaker so you can hear us. And then
- you just let me know.
- So you're on speaker phone right now. I can hear him. Yeah. OK. That should be fine. OK. So I guess
- he didn't get my presentation in that case. Let's see. Oh, I muted him. Yeah.
- Okay. So Michael, you received a copy of this packet for this meeting, right? I did. Okay. I clicked
- the link and I went through everything, but it just doesn't have any sound. I see the video.
- That's good. So I just basically did a presentation where I went through my staff recommendation and
- what you submitted.
- Is there anything else that you'd like to add before commissioner questions? I'm sorry? Is there anything
- you'd like to add before the commissioners ask questions? No, that's fine. I'm open for questions if
- y'all need any. Okay. Great. So, Sam. All right.
- Questions. Well, I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. So I'm going to ask questions about the sighting.
- It looks like it appears we have a stair and sitting under it is
- part of the existing building that's being renovated, but I can't tell, am I looking on the north elevation,
- the new work, is it defined by some sort of lap siding or what am I looking at there? Right, we were
- gonna use kind of a horizontal lap siding. Smart side, it's a synthetic kind of a wood siding.
- It looks like wood. Because that's what they have now is basically horizontal siding on that addition.
- And we're just making the addition that was made to the building in the past years of four feet more
- towards the north. Yes. OK. All right. I'll save my questions and I'll have the commissioners to ask now. OK.
- or Jeremy, no questions? No. Karen, questions? No questions. Bernard, questions? No questions. I think
- you can go back around that way. Unless you want to get your steps in. Get your steps in. Do we have
- any comments or questions from the public or anyone online? All right, I will entertain a motion. I
- move to approve COA 2577.
- Do I have a second? Daniel seconds. OK. Comments, Jack? No, it seems it's a matter of moving a wall
- basically three, four, five feet. If I understand correctly, I have no real issues with what they're
- doing. Chairman? It's not interfering with the really sort of the significant elements of the property.
- It's on the backside. I have no problem with it. Chairman? No problem.
- I know. Yeah, I feel it cleans up the property a bit, so I have no objections. I think we are at a point
- where we have any comments from the public. I think we can call the roll. OK. And so this is on COA
- 2577. We'll go ahead with voting. Jack Baker? Yes. Jeremy Hacker? Yes. Renard Cross? Yes. Sam DeSolar?
- Yes. Daniel Schlegel? Yes. That motion passes.
- 5-0. Thank you for coming in. All right, so you got that, Michael? Yeah, it's great. Thank you so much.
- Great. All right, have a good evening. Mm-hmm. OK, thank you. Bye. Oh, I'm on that. Thank you.
- Thank you, Tom. Sure. We have one demolition delay for this evening. It's a demo delay, 25-25, which
- we've seen before.
- The petitioner has let me know that they're still waiting to hear back from a structural engineer, so
- they're not going to be attending this meeting tonight. I mean, you can consider it whether they're
- here or not, but they would like to come back on the December meeting, which is still within their time frame.
- So does anybody have objections to, is it continuing this one? Is that the thing? I think we can just
- continue it. We're within the 90-day demolition delight period. Do we need to vote to do that?
- I think so. Yeah, why don't we go ahead and do a motion? So move to continue. Second. Renard, second.
- Jeremy, first. I'm sorry, who seconded? Renard. Thank you.
- It's been moved and seconded to continue demolition delay 25-25 to the next HPC meeting. We'll go ahead
- and take a vote. Jack Baker? Yeah. Jeremy Hacker? Yes. Bernard Cross? Yes. Sandra Soler? Yes.
- Daniel Schlegel? Yes. That motion to continue approves 5-0. Do we have anybody online or in the audience
- for the Tri-Delta? Right. Application? There's nobody online. All right, so I think that one
- We continue that one as well. Is that still within the time frame? It is, but I mean, regardless, if
- they don't come, then that doesn't count for the time running out. OK. Good enough. All right. We are
- through our DD. Do we have any business? Do you want updates on violations? Oh, yeah. I love updates
- on violations.
- So there are two pressing violations right now. 702 West Kirkwood, I've sent a letter requesting that
- fines be paid within a 30-day time frame from when the letter is sent. So they have received that. I've
- received an application from a contractor working for the property owner for installing a trim around
- the window
- I'd like to get the issue of the fine resolved first. Do we have information on the actual windows yet?
- Oh, they haven't sent a proposal for replacing those windows. OK, just the trims. And also, I need to
- get sort of a final sign off from my troika on sending out the violation, notice of violation, or sorry,
- not notice of violation, the request for fines for
- 301 East Glendora, but that one will also be going out. Are you all familiar with that one? This is
- the basement window which was put in retro. Have you heard anything from them about actually coming
- forward with COAs or anything like that?
- They had stopped responding to my emails, and they didn't respond to the notice of violations. OK. So.
- Well, they might start responding to fine. The finest, very appropriate message. OK. That was blatant.
- Yeah. What else we have? OK, that was. New business. New business. Have I got new things? The tour?
- Did you want to try the tour? Oh, we have the Near West Side Tour on this coming Saturday through the
- History Center.
- John Summerlot's going to give a presentation at Banneker for about 20, 25 minutes plus question and
- answer for half an hour and then an hour and a half-ish walk with our new educator, Luke Anderson. So
- it's free. It's open to the public. We just ask that we just get RSVP, so just reach out or call the
- History Center and let us know. It's in conjunction with our exhibit about historic neighborhoods on
- our second floor through the end of the year.
- My understanding, too, is that this is the first of a series that you're going to do in other neighborhoods.
- Is that correct? Potentially. We're going to see how it goes. Yes. So let's make this a success. Bring
- them in this. That's what I said. It's this coming Saturday. Oh, it's a Saturday? Oh, damn it.
- Saturday at 1. Yeah. OK. If it's getting dark so early, we can't do that. Yeah. Good luck with that.
- 20 minutes for John talking.
- You're familiar with this person? Oh, I know John, yeah. OK. He's a really, really smart guy who knows
- his stuff, but he'll talk about it. A short update on Cottage Grove. They had a meeting on Monday at
- the library. I think they are just about through the public meeting process. It wasn't very well attended,
- but there were some interesting history. It turned out Hoagy Carmichael's house used to be there before
- it was torn down.
- among other things but it's good meeting and I think do we have a lot of meetings this is number four
- of the required three yeah so I think they're at least covered on that one and theoretically though
- gonna be coming before council do they have a date yet do they have a date for their house
- to take it to council, I think first reading is on December 3rd, right? I thought December 3rd, but
- I just didn't get it. This is for the House, yeah? This is for the House. This is not for the district.
- Not for the district. December 3rd is first reading then, right? Yes. But then, do you know when they
- might be bringing stuff to the commission for the larger district? I haven't heard from them about that.
- Yeah, they need to get a book together. Yeah, I was just wondering if they had a time limit or not.
- I mean, by the way, second reading's generally the important reading for an ordinance, so.
- Do you know when that would be? Would it be two weeks out?
- Try and be there. Oh, I have to be there for that. Yeah. No, I'm trying. It's my job. In partnership
- with the owner, not over the owners. Right. Yeah. This is not a contentious elevation. All right. So
- I think that's all the news that I got. Does anybody else have anything? All right. Public comments?
- All right, I think that's it. We are adjourned. Thank you all for coming in.