WEBVTT 00:00:00.194 --> 00:00:08.637 - All right, it's 5 o'clock. I'm calling to order the May 28th meeting of the Bloomington Historic Preservation 00:00:08.637 --> 00:00:16.543 - Commission. Staff, please call the roll. Right now across. Oh, sorry. Commissioner Cross. Commissioner 00:00:16.543 --> 00:00:24.219 - Baker. Here. Commissioner, Treasurer Butler. Here. Either one. Commissioner Castaneda. Commissioner 00:00:24.219 --> 00:00:29.438 - Duesner. Here. Commissioner Duffy. Here. Commissioner Golden. Here. 00:00:29.794 --> 00:00:37.406 - Chair Hacker. Here. Commissioner Schlegel. Here. We have quorum. Excellent. Next up, approval of the 00:00:37.406 --> 00:00:45.245 - minutes from May 14th. Does anybody have any edits? Is there a motion? I'll take move. OK. Commissioner 00:00:45.245 --> 00:00:53.159 - Golden is moved to approve. It was seconded by Commissioner Butler. Any discussion? Seeing done, I think 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:59.038 - we're ready to call the vote. OK. Co-chair Baker. Yes. Treasurer Butler. Yes. 00:00:59.202 --> 00:01:06.973 - Commissioner Duesner? Yes. Commissioner Duffy? Yes. Commissioner Golden? Yes. Chair Hacker? Yes. Commissioner 00:01:06.973 --> 00:01:14.037 - Schlegel? Yes. Minutes are approved. Excellent. Next up, we have staff review for two COAs. Mr. St. 00:01:14.037 --> 00:01:21.242 - Louis, take it away. So starting off, our first COA of the evening, 2630 for 902 West Kirkwood Avenue 00:01:21.242 --> 00:01:26.046 - in the near west side historic district. Petitioner is Bobby Booze. 00:01:26.786 --> 00:01:33.823 - This is a request for the installation of solar panels. The property in question was built in phases 00:01:33.823 --> 00:01:40.931 - between the 1960s and 1970s. 902 West Kirkwood is an L-shaped concrete block commercial building with 00:01:40.931 --> 00:01:47.898 - two wings built around a parking lot at the southwest corner. There are solar panels on the roof of 00:01:47.898 --> 00:01:55.284 - the wing parallel to the road and the large picture window on the gable end of the building perpendicular 00:01:55.284 --> 00:01:56.190 - to the road. 00:01:57.634 --> 00:02:06.003 - The owners are proposing to install additional solar panels on the west-facing roof, which you can see 00:02:06.003 --> 00:02:14.535 - indicated here. Current solar installation is located up here, and staff approves COA 2630. The proposed 00:02:14.535 --> 00:02:22.904 - solar installation is set close to the roof surface, and the pitch would not obscure damage or, sorry, 00:02:22.904 --> 00:02:27.454 - and would not obscure or damage any historical features 00:02:32.514 --> 00:02:43.191 - Okay, next item, COA 2632 for 642 North Madison Street in the Showers Furniture Historic District. Petitioner 00:02:43.191 --> 00:02:53.091 - is Dawn Gray from Spring Point Architects. Built in 1915, the Showers Brothers Furniture Planing Mill 00:02:53.091 --> 00:02:58.526 - has been substantially rehabilitated into office space. 00:02:59.554 --> 00:03:06.281 - In February 2026, the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission staff approved COA 2613 00:03:06.281 --> 00:03:13.968 - for the installation of a rooftop heat pump. It was subsequently determined, however, that the exterior 00:03:13.968 --> 00:03:21.656 - unit location proposed was too far from interior components to function properly. Formally, the request 00:03:21.656 --> 00:03:27.422 - was to install it on the roof at this location, which has now been amended to 00:03:28.290 --> 00:03:38.418 - Installing the same unit on the eastern alley facing wall And staff approved coa 2632 The new mechanical 00:03:38.418 --> 00:03:48.160 - equipment will be located close to other mechanical equipment on the mills alley facing elevation as 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:54.622 - discussed with petitioners both in their petition and subsequently 00:03:55.170 --> 00:04:02.367 - Attaching the unit at mortar joints will minimize damage to the existing brick. All right, next up we 00:04:02.367 --> 00:04:09.423 - have certificates of appropriateness for commission review, followed by demolition delays. For each 00:04:09.423 --> 00:04:16.761 - item on the agenda, the Historic Preservation Program Manager will first present a staff report, filled 00:04:16.761 --> 00:04:24.382 - in here if the petitioner has any additional information about their request, followed by a public comment. 00:04:24.930 --> 00:04:29.719 - Public comment concludes commissioners will be able to ask questions to staff, the petitioner, 00:04:29.719 --> 00:04:35.214 - and the public. We ask that petitioners, the public, and commissioners refrain from speaking until addressed 00:04:35.214 --> 00:04:40.255 - by the chair unless the question is directly addressed to them. Following commission questions, the 00:04:40.255 --> 00:04:45.296 - chair will entertain a motion from a commissioner regarding the petition. Once a motion is made, we 00:04:45.296 --> 00:04:49.278 - will then open up a discussion of the item for members of the commission only. 00:04:49.506 --> 00:04:58.104 - Finally, once the commissioners have each had a chance to speak, the commission will vote on the petition. 00:04:58.104 --> 00:05:06.221 - We encourage all commissioners, petitioners, and members of the public to be civil and respectful at 00:05:06.221 --> 00:05:13.694 - all times. So first up, we have COA 2631. Is the petitioner present? Is there anyone online? 00:05:13.986 --> 00:05:23.187 - We have a not the petitioner. We have a Maggie petty John for value built any person named Eric. OK, 00:05:23.187 --> 00:05:32.480 - well, if the petitioner is not here, we can move this to the end of the agenda. So I guess next up we 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:41.681 - would hear demolition delay, so that'd be demolition delay 2607. And is petitioner here for this? It 00:05:41.681 --> 00:05:43.230 - could be coming. 00:05:43.842 --> 00:05:54.618 - The petitioner listed here is 1301 North Walnut LLC. Yeah, they don't have to be here for demolition 00:05:54.618 --> 00:06:05.714 - delay. I was just checking. But we can check for that. I noticed that on the DD report, it doesn't have 00:06:05.714 --> 00:06:11.582 - the address. It doesn't? I found it in the agenda. OK. 00:06:13.410 --> 00:06:23.915 - I guess I just had not included it. Wow. Okay. All right. So the address, as you can see on your agenda, 00:06:23.915 --> 00:06:34.219 - is 527 North Prow Avenue. Built in 1945 by developer and auctioneer F. Harold Hancock, this 450 square 00:06:34.219 --> 00:06:40.222 - foot gable front house sits on the cement block foundation. 00:06:40.930 --> 00:06:47.635 - An open pedimented portico fronts the entrance. There's a small rear shed addition. Most of the exterior 00:06:47.635 --> 00:06:54.211 - materials have been replaced. Hancock and his wife, Mary, lived in this house for several years before 00:06:54.211 --> 00:07:00.150 - renting it out. From 1957 through 2002, the house was rented by Sarah Swift, who attended IU 00:07:00.150 --> 00:07:06.535 - for approximately 10 years before taking an archiving job with the university. Her mother, Dorothy, 00:07:06.535 --> 00:07:10.366 - a draftswoman for Indiana University facilities department, 00:07:11.106 --> 00:07:18.215 - moved in with her after her retirement in 1970. Sarah Swift bought the house from Hancock in 1975 and 00:07:18.215 --> 00:07:25.254 - lived there until her death. Staff recommends the release of demolition delay 2607. All right, thank 00:07:25.254 --> 00:07:32.293 - you very much. Would the petitioner like to add anything to the staff report? So we have a, is value 00:07:32.293 --> 00:07:38.078 - bill then the petitioner? Yeah. Okay, thank you. I've asked that person to unmute. 00:07:41.826 --> 00:07:48.971 - to have anything they wish to add. You don't have to. My microphone was not working. That's okay. The 00:07:48.971 --> 00:07:56.256 - only information that I can provide that they've given me is that I'm not quite sure but likely a small 00:07:56.256 --> 00:08:03.611 - house due to the size of the lot will be in place there. That's all I've got. Okay, thank you. Are there 00:08:03.611 --> 00:08:10.755 - any members of the public who would like to comment on this demolition delay? There's none in person, 00:08:10.755 --> 00:08:11.806 - anyone online? 00:08:13.442 --> 00:08:21.290 - Nobody online. All right. Hearing none, let's turn to Commissioner Comments. We'll start with Commissioner 00:08:21.290 --> 00:08:28.771 - Schlegel. Do you have any questions? Any questions? Questions, sorry. None at this time. Commissioner 00:08:28.771 --> 00:08:36.399 - Baker, any questions? No questions. Commissioner Butler, questions? This is such a small house. I mean, 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.526 - historically, it's not super 00:08:38.690 --> 00:08:49.376 - But such a small house would be R. I. B. interested in moving it would that be a possibility. 00:08:49.376 --> 00:09:01.085 - Well I'm asking. Mr Samuels gosh I I am not checked with B. R. I. about it. Is is there a way we could 00:09:01.085 --> 00:09:07.678 - do that with. Out delaying this arm without delaying arm. 00:09:08.802 --> 00:09:19.650 - So maybe Karen might be able to weigh in. Just all I can say is he looks at the packets. And I think 00:09:19.650 --> 00:09:30.820 - I'm not aware of any lots that we have, VRI has right now. And it's an expense. I'm sure VRI would love 00:09:30.820 --> 00:09:37.694 - to do it. There's no place for it to go. There's nothing. Yeah. 00:09:37.986 --> 00:09:56.332 - Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:09:56.332 --> 00:10:07.230 - Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:10:07.426 --> 00:10:18.513 - We're not twenty six oh seven is there a second. All right commissioner Baker has seconded all right- 00:10:18.513 --> 00:10:29.491 - comments you can make comments first if you'd like. Comments commissioner Baker any comments. Always 00:10:29.491 --> 00:10:31.774 - stand up to release. 00:10:32.546 --> 00:10:39.611 - Yeah, I'm sad to see a small house, especially with a story like this one, just a unique story. And 00:10:39.611 --> 00:10:46.817 - to tear down a small house to build a small house feels ironic. But I don't think there's much we can 00:10:46.817 --> 00:10:54.024 - do, unfortunately, with our either or options. OK. Commissioner Butler. Yeah, I agree with everything 00:10:54.024 --> 00:11:00.382 - that Commissioner Schlegel just said. And Commissioner Baker, I think it is awful to have 00:11:00.578 --> 00:11:08.394 - tear down the very type of houses that Bloomington needs, but I don't have a lever I can pull. Commissioner 00:11:08.394 --> 00:11:15.992 - Duesner. They all said it better than I could. All right, Commissioner Duffy. I think it's a cute little 00:11:15.992 --> 00:11:23.446 - house. It reminds me of a small house that I own and I've never had trouble renting out. I hate to see 00:11:23.446 --> 00:11:28.222 - it go, but I have no choice. Okay. You already commented. For me, 00:11:28.354 --> 00:11:34.593 - Future use is not under our purview, so we can't consider what's going to happen. We do not have enough 00:11:34.593 --> 00:11:40.652 - information for make a case for historical significance or architectural significance, so I think we 00:11:40.652 --> 00:11:47.071 - just have to let this one go. So that's my comment. Any secondary comments from anyone? All right. Hearing 00:11:47.071 --> 00:11:53.191 - none, I think we're ready for vote. Could you call the roll, please? There's a motion on the floor to 00:11:53.191 --> 00:11:57.150 - release DD2607 at 527 North Prowell. We'll take a roll call vote. 00:11:57.698 --> 00:12:07.404 - Co-chair Baker? Yes. Treasurer Butler? Yes. Commissioner Duesner? Yes. Commissioner Duffy? Yes. Commissioner 00:12:07.404 --> 00:12:16.842 - Golden? Yes. Chair Hacker? Yes. Commissioner Schlegel? Yes. That motion to release passes 7-0. All right. 00:12:16.842 --> 00:12:23.966 - Thank you very much. I think we will go back to certificates of appropriateness 00:12:24.770 --> 00:12:31.725 - You should probably read my paper. Gosh, I forgot about it again. Do you need that? Yes, please. It 00:12:31.725 --> 00:12:39.028 - will continue to happen. Yeah. Commissioner Baker, please go ahead. Today regarding the property located 00:12:39.028 --> 00:12:46.540 - at 527 North Prow, the Historic Preservation Commission declares that it got notice of proposed demolition, 00:12:46.540 --> 00:12:52.382 - partial demolition, and requests the staff prepare a formal report on the property. 00:12:52.482 --> 00:13:02.521 - but the property on the HPC agenda will be officially considered from a historic designation under BMC 8.08.01D. 00:13:02.521 --> 00:13:11.672 - All right, thank you very much. I think we will go back to COAs. COA 2631 is the petitioner here. Yes. 00:13:11.672 --> 00:13:21.534 - And your name is? Noah Rogers. Noah Rogers, okay, excellent. All right, Mr. Sandlicks, please take your place. 00:13:21.698 --> 00:13:29.958 - this off. Nine twenty three East University in the Elm Heights Historic District. Petitioner is Noah 00:13:29.958 --> 00:13:38.382 - Rogers. This request is for let's see I want to give a little background. In February of twenty twenty 00:13:38.382 --> 00:13:47.052 - four the Bloomington Historic Preservation Commission approved COA twenty four oh three for the expansion 00:13:47.052 --> 00:13:50.078 - of a small nineteen twenties garage. 00:13:50.946 --> 00:13:59.759 - driveway and rear addition, connecting the garage to the primary residence. The COA has expired after 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:08.398 - the two years allotted, and the property owner is returning to request a new COA. I'm gonna run you 00:14:08.398 --> 00:14:17.816 - through, I hope you were able to read some of the fine print, which does discuss topics including materials, 00:14:17.816 --> 00:14:20.926 - which there's gonna be an effort to 00:14:21.442 --> 00:14:31.737 - Obviously the entire expansion of the garage can't use this but we're using some of the brick from Some 00:14:31.737 --> 00:14:42.526 - of the original walls in the garage that are being taken out for this expansion And I received clarification 00:14:42.526 --> 00:14:49.950 - that the garage door which was originally proposed for the sort of eastern 00:14:50.530 --> 00:14:58.139 - addition to the garage in 2024 it's as pictured up here is still the one that's being considered for 00:14:58.139 --> 00:15:05.974 - this renewal of the certificate. Staff recommends the approval of COA 2631. While the proposed addition 00:15:05.974 --> 00:15:13.734 - would more than double the size of the garage much of the expanded area will be minimally visible from 00:15:13.734 --> 00:15:20.062 - the public right of way. The proposed new garage door would face the primary facade 00:15:20.482 --> 00:15:29.375 - there does not appear to be an alternative entry route through an alley or side entrance. The materials 00:15:29.375 --> 00:15:38.610 - selected for the addition are compatible with the design of the house and existing garage. The front-facing 00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:47.417 - eave of the proposed addition differentiates the garage expansion from the original structure, and the 00:15:47.417 --> 00:15:49.726 - garage would be reasonably 00:15:50.882 --> 00:15:57.954 - could be reasonably returned to its original appearance with a retention of historic materials. Existing 00:15:57.954 --> 00:16:04.958 - trees will not be demolished, and the expanded driveway is not out of scale with the neighborhood. Does 00:16:04.958 --> 00:16:11.828 - the petitioner have anything that he would like to add? We will be saving all the original brick that 00:16:11.828 --> 00:16:17.822 - we can, obviously, and just be using it on the facade of the front side of the building. 00:16:19.106 --> 00:16:25.298 - And there's going to be some fiber cement, I think, a little bit on the back, which right now he has 00:16:25.298 --> 00:16:31.796 - cedar siding. So I don't think that's going to change at all on the backside. Any questions I can answer? 00:16:31.796 --> 00:16:38.110 - OK, thank you. Is there any public comment regarding this certificate of appropriateness online, since 00:16:38.110 --> 00:16:44.547 - no one is here? OK, we'll turn to commissioner questions. Commissioner Golden, do you have any questions 00:16:44.547 --> 00:16:48.286 - about this? I do not have any questions. Commissioner Duffy. 00:16:53.250 --> 00:17:00.311 - I wondered about the garage door, so I appreciate the clarification. Do you have a plan for the old? 00:17:00.311 --> 00:17:07.791 - Are those doors original that are on there now? Do they appear to be? They may be, but they're in complete 00:17:07.791 --> 00:17:15.201 - disrepair. OK. And a lot of the garage is in military. So they're not even worth saving, in your opinion? 00:17:15.201 --> 00:17:21.982 - Yeah. Somebody restore or somebody might want them. That's the main thing. He's kind of wanting. 00:17:22.306 --> 00:17:28.504 - Mr. Hayes is, you know, in his early 80s, and his main function is wanting somewhat of a heated, warm 00:17:28.504 --> 00:17:34.641 - space he can easily get into and park his vehicle. Sure, I understand that. Yeah, if I tried to make 00:17:34.641 --> 00:17:40.961 - him reuse the door, he would definitely hope I could change that. No, I'm not even intending to suggest 00:17:40.961 --> 00:17:47.159 - that you keep it, because I know how people are about garage doors. I just have a little soft spot in 00:17:47.159 --> 00:17:51.838 - my heart for old-timey garage doors. I love reusing anything we can as well. 00:17:52.162 --> 00:17:58.346 - Or saving it, or offering it to somebody else who might. I have a giant shop full of old stuff that 00:17:58.346 --> 00:18:04.591 - I'm probably never going to use, but you know. Maybe you can find a corner for them. OK, that's all. 00:18:04.591 --> 00:18:09.662 - Commissioner, do you have any questions? No. Commissioner, by the way, questions. 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:17.085 - It looks like in one of those photographs that it's what they call a ribbon driveway, I think, where 00:18:17.085 --> 00:18:23.824 - it just has the two rails of pavement going into the, which were popular with some of the earliest 00:18:23.824 --> 00:18:30.903 - automobiles in the 1920s. It saved you pavement. So I'm assuming you're going to replace it with a full 00:18:30.903 --> 00:18:37.438 - driveway or? Nope. We're hoping to leave the ribbon alone. So kind of right where Doug started. 00:18:37.538 --> 00:18:44.572 - We're hoping to not affect the driveway so we're going to do our best. Okay, great. Thank you. Commissioner 00:18:44.572 --> 00:18:51.215 - Baker, any questions? No questions. Commissioner Schlegel. My other question was just going to be the 00:18:51.215 --> 00:18:58.250 - plans that were submitted before, are these just the same ones? Exactly. It's just there's been no upgrades 00:18:58.250 --> 00:19:04.958 - or changes? Yes, correct. Okay. I didn't see any but I was like I also can't read these super well so. 00:19:05.154 --> 00:19:12.989 - Yeah no I don't believe it don't change anything. Okay I just want to double check so thank you. All 00:19:12.989 --> 00:19:20.902 - right you took my question so. All right I think we're at the time where I will consider a motion. To 00:19:20.902 --> 00:19:29.358 - approve COI twenty six. A commissioner golden has moved to approve twenty six. I'll send you to commissioner 00:19:29.358 --> 00:19:30.910 - Duffy has seconded. 00:19:31.522 --> 00:19:38.399 - I believe I was told the commission when this first came through, and I proved it then. So I prove it 00:19:38.399 --> 00:19:45.275 - now. Commissioner Duffy? Yeah, I don't have any reason to oppose it at all. It looks like a very nice 00:19:45.275 --> 00:19:52.085 - design. Commissioner Duesner? Yeah, I thought it was a thoughtful plan. Commissioner Butler? I agree 00:19:52.085 --> 00:19:58.894 - that it's a very thoughtful plan. I appreciate keeping the brick in the driveway as much as you can. 00:19:58.894 --> 00:19:59.838 - That's great. 00:20:00.802 --> 00:20:07.123 - going to go to approve. Commissioner Baker. I agree with the staff recommendation. Commissioner Schlegel. 00:20:07.123 --> 00:20:13.146 - Yeah, I remember when we brought this in and had discussions, and I think this is a great design. So 00:20:13.146 --> 00:20:19.587 - I proved it then, and I'll definitely be for it again now. I see. Basically, the only thing that's changing 00:20:19.587 --> 00:20:25.729 - is the time frame. And so we're just asking for more time. It's already approved once. I see no reason 00:20:25.729 --> 00:20:30.142 - to re-litigate this, so I am in favor. All right. Any secondary comments? 00:20:31.138 --> 00:20:38.039 - All right, are you hearing none? I think we're ready to vote. OK, the motion down the floor is for COA 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:44.807 - 2631. We'll take a roll call vote. Co-chair Baker? Yes. Treasurer Butler? Yes. Commissioner Duesner? 00:20:44.807 --> 00:20:51.708 - Yes. Commissioner Duffy? Yes. Commissioner Golden? Yes. Chair Hacker? Yes. Commissioner Schlabel? Yes. 00:20:51.708 --> 00:20:57.470 - That motion passes 7-0. Awesome. All right, thank you very much. Thank you very much. 00:20:58.178 --> 00:21:08.181 - All right that brings us next item on the agenda is old business Is there any old business you want 00:21:08.181 --> 00:21:18.584 - to share mr. Sandweis? You all should have received emails from Jennifer Crosley the Deputy clerk about 00:21:18.584 --> 00:21:27.486 - training for board and commission members that's because There's sort of been an updated 00:21:28.034 --> 00:21:36.212 - board and commission member code of conduct. So if you could sign up for one of those sessions that 00:21:36.212 --> 00:21:43.735 - she's mentioned, please do so. And if you don't, then she will come into our commission and 00:21:43.735 --> 00:21:51.994 - make a presentation. So it depends on how late you want to stay one night. I haven't cared enough to 00:21:51.994 --> 00:21:55.102 - stay up there. That's fun. All right. 00:21:56.322 --> 00:22:03.808 - For new business, I have a few announcements. First of all, the History Center garage sale is going 00:22:03.808 --> 00:22:11.443 - to be taking place June 12th, 13th, and 15th. Also, if you're a History Center member or you work for 00:22:11.443 --> 00:22:18.929 - Cook, which I believe none of you do, June 10th is going to be an early sale day. Additionally, I'd 00:22:18.929 --> 00:22:24.094 - like to give a shout out to Melody Dusner in her class, which won an 00:22:24.322 --> 00:22:34.114 - IU Center for Rural Engagement Award for very relevant to us research on a stone carver in Odon, Indiana, 00:22:34.114 --> 00:22:43.351 - named Ira Correll, which culminated in the installation of an Indiana historic marker. Application. 00:22:43.351 --> 00:22:53.790 - Application, application. Though they did consult with Jeremy, and he used to hand those out, so. They're heavy. 00:22:54.082 --> 00:23:02.849 - And... no, that does it for my announcements. All right. Commissioner Comments. Any Commissioner Comments? 00:23:02.849 --> 00:23:11.534 - Anyone like to say anything? How come everybody else gets to pick over all that good stuff at the History 00:23:11.534 --> 00:23:19.809 - Center before HPC members? Shouldn't we be included in that elite group? There's enough in there you 00:23:19.809 --> 00:23:23.742 - can't even tell. I don't need it anymore. Sure. 00:23:23.906 --> 00:23:31.002 - I'd like to comment on, I'd like to thank everyone for their support on the Cottage Grove Conservation 00:23:31.002 --> 00:23:38.028 - District. It was great to see how many people showed up. Obviously want to thank Commissioner Butler, 00:23:38.028 --> 00:23:44.917 - Amy Butler for their tireless work to move that along. It was really nice to see that get passed. I 00:23:44.917 --> 00:23:51.806 - feel like that was a good victory for our community. So just good job everybody on that. That's all 00:23:51.806 --> 00:23:52.702 - my comments. 00:23:52.834 --> 00:24:00.653 - So I guess next up would be public comments. Does anyone online like to make a comment? The person that's 00:24:00.653 --> 00:24:08.029 - online left. Holy cow. All right. Well, that brings us to the end of our agenda. So this meeting is 00:24:08.029 --> 00:24:09.726 - adjourned. 24 minutes.