WEBVTT 00:00:00.386 --> 00:00:08.863 - I'll go ahead and call this meeting of the Metropolitan Planning Organization Policy Committee to order 00:00:08.863 --> 00:00:17.095 - as vice chair. I believe that our chair is online today and if we could just go around and names and 00:00:17.095 --> 00:00:25.409 - organizations let's go ahead and start over on my left today. Julie Thomas Monroe County Commissioner 00:00:25.409 --> 00:00:29.566 - Andrew Seabor serving as proxy for Mayor Thompson. 00:00:30.338 --> 00:00:37.983 - And then Hopi Stasberg City Council Transportation Corporation Board of Directors John Kennedy proxy 00:00:37.983 --> 00:00:46.081 - for Sam Tobin Hawkshit from the Citizens Advisory Committee Scott Ferris Monroe County Planning Commission 00:00:46.081 --> 00:00:53.877 - Linnea Wellings in dot proxy for Rebecca Packer. Good morning. Nate Nichols City of Bloomington Public 00:00:53.877 --> 00:00:58.494 - Works Department serving as a proxy for director Adam Wason. 00:01:00.834 --> 00:01:14.086 - Can you hear me now. That's better. Yeah I think that it might have been on our end but wonderful. 00:01:14.086 --> 00:01:28.542 - Thank you. Never never led this meeting before so I'm going to have to pay careful attention to the agenda. 00:01:30.530 --> 00:01:38.258 - So first thing we need approval of the agenda for today. So it looks like the agenda includes some minutes 00:01:38.258 --> 00:01:45.553 - and our usual communications from chair and vice chair officers committees several pieces of reports 00:01:45.553 --> 00:01:53.064 - no old business a couple pieces of new business public comments and then some more communications. Does 00:01:53.064 --> 00:01:57.470 - anybody have any thing that they want to add or comments on. 00:01:59.426 --> 00:02:11.394 - Can I get a motion motion to approve the agenda and a second. Second. Thank you so much. We're going 00:02:11.394 --> 00:02:23.481 - to need a roll call on the motion to approve the agenda since we have a member online today. Seymour. 00:02:23.481 --> 00:02:29.406 - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:02:30.562 --> 00:02:37.984 - Yes motion passes. Great. Thank you so much. First on the agenda then is the approval of the minutes 00:02:37.984 --> 00:02:45.847 - from May 29th of this year. Were there any corrections or comments to be made on these minutes by anybody. 00:02:45.847 --> 00:02:53.196 - Do I have a motion to approve motion to approve the minutes. Thank you for that motion and seconds. 00:02:53.196 --> 00:03:00.030 - If there's no comments we please call the roll on that motion to approve the minutes Ferris. 00:03:00.930 --> 00:03:24.958 - Yes. Kennedy abstain. Wellings. Nickel. Yes. Ridge. Yes. Thomas Stasberg. Yes. Horn abstain. Seaborg. Yes. 00:03:36.898 --> 00:03:48.237 - Motion passes. Great. Thank you so much. I want to take note of Jason branch coming in. You start on 00:03:48.237 --> 00:04:00.362 - time and I come in five minutes late. Jason Bannock with IU. Thank you. Thank you so much. We just approved 00:04:00.362 --> 00:04:01.822 - the minutes. 00:04:02.562 --> 00:04:11.013 - Communications from chair and vice-chair. I do not have any communications today. Lisa. Do you have 00:04:11.013 --> 00:04:19.464 - anything to communicate? I don't except thank you for stepping up for me some computer upgrades out 00:04:19.464 --> 00:04:28.084 - here Wonderful. I hope that those go smoothly Any communications from officers and or committees John 00:04:28.084 --> 00:04:32.478 - Kennedy from the CAC the CCAC met Wednesday evening 00:04:32.706 --> 00:04:40.648 - and Recommended to the policy committee that you approve the two tip amendments that will be on the 00:04:40.648 --> 00:04:48.828 - agenda today Wonderful I Can provide an update from the TAC? TAC met this past Wednesday the 22nd Also 00:04:48.828 --> 00:04:57.008 - recommended approval of the new business items that are listed here. There's one thing we talked about 00:04:57.008 --> 00:05:01.694 - and we can discuss this more when we get to this item, but 00:05:02.274 --> 00:05:08.809 - Item number eight point two about the state safety performance targets. We did have some language we 00:05:08.809 --> 00:05:15.408 - wanted to include with that. So that was an issue that we discussed at length. But other than that we 00:05:15.408 --> 00:05:22.007 - recommended approval. Thank you. Okay great. Thank you. Sounds like we need to discuss that more when 00:05:22.007 --> 00:05:25.630 - we get to it. Next reports from staff Katie. Thank you. 00:05:27.202 --> 00:05:38.137 - Item six point one the state of Indiana is currently updating their strategic highway safety plan which 00:05:38.137 --> 00:05:48.757 - is a multi-agency document. That guides the state's traffic safety efforts over the next five years. 00:05:48.757 --> 00:05:55.486 - It is also what will be used to kind of help establish the next 00:05:55.778 --> 00:06:03.345 - Targets for the next phase not the not the call for projects starting this fall, but the one after that 00:06:03.345 --> 00:06:10.622 - in two years So if you have 10 to 15 minutes, they're accepting public comment through a survey and 00:06:10.622 --> 00:06:18.189 - it will help in dot prioritize safety concerns That are most important to you Next wanted to share that 00:06:18.189 --> 00:06:22.846 - the state of Indiana is also updating their state rail plan and 00:06:23.202 --> 00:06:31.600 - that guides the state's rail infrastructure investments and policies. Their website includes an overview, 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:39.682 - the draft plan, summaries, and then a link to submit feedback. So again, if you have a moment and you 00:06:39.682 --> 00:06:48.318 - wanna take a look at that, we just wanted to inform you about it. The feedback is all the way at the bottom. 00:06:52.898 --> 00:07:01.296 - Third is another public input opportunity, this time at the federal level. So the Federal Transit 00:07:01.296 --> 00:07:09.865 - Administration is seeking input from the transit industry and the public about how to assess public 00:07:09.865 --> 00:07:18.948 - transportation service quality across realms of safety and security cleanliness, universal accessibility, 00:07:18.948 --> 00:07:22.718 - service data availability, and reliability. 00:07:23.586 --> 00:07:35.463 - So they there's only like 41 comments so far. So but they're accepting comments till August 3rd. No 00:07:35.463 --> 00:07:47.339 - further questions. I'll go on to the crash dashboard. There's been an update to the crash dashboard 00:07:47.339 --> 00:07:52.446 - in that the staff went through and proofed 00:07:53.122 --> 00:08:00.692 - and cleaned up and added gps data corrected gps data to a number of the crashes for calendar year 2025 00:08:00.692 --> 00:08:08.043 - that's been added to the crash dashboard crash dashboard was created two years ago by the staff and 00:08:08.043 --> 00:08:15.393 - by the information technology services department please feel free to look at that whenever you get 00:08:15.393 --> 00:08:19.582 - the chance let us know if you have any questions on that 00:08:20.546 --> 00:08:28.725 - We also want to note that the 2018 and 2019 data have been removed to maintain consistency with a five-year 00:08:28.725 --> 00:08:36.374 - trend used by the Department of Transportation to cap information shown on the dashboard. Past crash 00:08:36.374 --> 00:08:44.250 - information is still available in various locations. It's available on the MPO website. We've got crash 00:08:44.250 --> 00:08:49.854 - report going back to 1996 if you're so interested in something like that. 00:08:50.114 --> 00:08:58.324 - The MPO also helps to find other ways in the future to consolidate and share trend data. If you have 00:08:58.324 --> 00:09:06.941 - any questions, please let me know, or Katie, either one of us. Next item we have is an early coordination 00:09:06.941 --> 00:09:15.313 - letter from the Indiana Department of Transportation. This early coordination letter is for State Road 00:09:15.313 --> 00:09:19.134 - 45 over an unnamed tributary of Griffey Creek, 00:09:19.490 --> 00:09:26.844 - 0.38 miles east of Interstate 69 in Monroe County. If you look in the packet, yeah, there it goes, 00:09:26.844 --> 00:09:34.420 - thank you. That'll show you the approximate location and then the next one will show you the specific 00:09:34.420 --> 00:09:42.070 - location of where that's at. If you have any comments, concerns regarding this project, please respond 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:46.750 - to the early coordination letter. The consulting firms and the 00:09:48.034 --> 00:09:57.873 - consulting agencies also would be of interest to that. If there are no further questions, I'll go on 00:09:57.873 --> 00:10:07.809 - to the, yeah, I'll let you scroll through that. Yeah, there's the reason right there. Okay, a crushed 00:10:07.809 --> 00:10:16.382 - pipe, probably 30 years old would be my guess. We also wanna let you know about recent, 00:10:16.546 --> 00:10:25.036 - Indiana Department of Transportation roadway safety audits that were conducted last week. State of Indiana 00:10:25.036 --> 00:10:33.289 - takes usually they select the worst of the worst or the ones they have concerns about from the district 00:10:33.289 --> 00:10:41.223 - offices and those determine how many roadway safety audits are completed in any any one area in any 00:10:41.223 --> 00:10:44.318 - one given year. This year we had three 00:10:44.674 --> 00:10:53.012 - locations that underwent roadway safety audits last Thursday. This was a multiple multiple district 00:10:53.012 --> 00:11:01.351 - and central office and a local team. We all met first project which was examined with State Road 45 00:11:01.351 --> 00:11:09.022 - between Industrial Boulevard and Curry Pike. I affectionately refer to this as Wally World. 00:11:09.282 --> 00:11:17.332 - This is the area where you've got Walmart Sam's Club and a number of other areas, which is a high High 00:11:17.332 --> 00:11:25.148 - traffic. I'll wait till Katie gets down there This is a high traffic movement area a lot of turning 00:11:25.148 --> 00:11:33.042 - movements a lot of what I would call property damage crashes rear end side swipes turning movements, 00:11:33.042 --> 00:11:35.934 - it's not what I would call a serious 00:11:36.418 --> 00:11:44.627 - Uh, injury type of location, but the frequency is disturbing given the volumes that are out there. Uh, 00:11:44.627 --> 00:11:52.756 - that was the first one examined by the roadway safety audit team from the central office and from the 00:11:52.756 --> 00:12:01.044 - Seymour district. Second location that we examined was stick road 45 and Kinzer Pike and Rogers street. 00:12:01.044 --> 00:12:02.718 - I will get up there. 00:12:06.338 --> 00:12:16.412 - Okay this is on State Road 45 46. There's been a increase in traffic in the last two to three years 00:12:16.412 --> 00:12:26.587 - went from something like 36 37000 vehicles a day up to 42 or 40000 vehicles a day. We don't know why 00:12:26.587 --> 00:12:34.142 - the increase probably because of increased development along the corridor. 00:12:34.690 --> 00:12:43.232 - Directional split is a 50-50 on either side of the intersection there. We've got the concerns here are 00:12:43.232 --> 00:12:52.355 - not only serious injuries, but also what I would call pedestrian movements or vulnerable road user movements, 00:12:52.355 --> 00:13:00.814 - where we've got a number of people walk to the Kroger, which is up in the northwest corner, the upper 00:13:00.814 --> 00:13:03.966 - left-hand corner of the intersection. 00:13:04.322 --> 00:13:13.538 - A lot of people walk to that intersection and as a result of that there's deep concern about vulnerable 00:13:13.538 --> 00:13:22.664 - road users. The traffic safety engineer for the district Seymour district as an experiment went up and 00:13:22.664 --> 00:13:31.526 - went up to that corner and tripped the pedestrian walk on that activated the pedestrian walk and we 00:13:31.526 --> 00:13:33.918 - immediately had a backlog. 00:13:34.146 --> 00:13:42.815 - of traffic on Roger Street and that backlog lasted for almost 20 minutes. We've also got an issue too 00:13:42.815 --> 00:13:51.483 - and some of that westbound to eastbound movement traffic there stopping past the stop bar. Don't know 00:13:51.483 --> 00:14:00.237 - what we're going to be able to do about that. Anyway this we spent almost an hour on this intersection 00:14:00.237 --> 00:14:03.806 - out there observing all of the movements. 00:14:04.162 --> 00:14:12.198 - Now the roadway safety audit team will report back latter part of September or first part of October 00:14:12.198 --> 00:14:20.553 - on what they're what the alternatives were that were considered and what proposed actions are. The third 00:14:20.553 --> 00:14:28.510 - intersection we looked at was State Road 446 and Morris Pike. Well she gets down to see what for 46 00:14:28.510 --> 00:14:31.454 - and Morris Pike Lampkins Ridge Road. 00:14:33.474 --> 00:14:43.718 - The concern here is that in well in 2016 17 18 and 19 this was one of the top intersections in terms 00:14:43.718 --> 00:14:54.874 - of crashes even though that's got a lower volume on it. So as a result the district upgraded the intersection 00:14:54.874 --> 00:14:59.134 - in 2020 calendar year 2020 where the stop 00:14:59.778 --> 00:15:08.668 - stops that were made into flashing, they removed an overhead beacon, flashing beacon, which was impossible 00:15:08.668 --> 00:15:16.976 - to see and actually no one ever saw it. Yeah, you can see the flashers right there on the stop. The 00:15:16.976 --> 00:15:25.782 - volumes here are roughly around 8,000 vehicles a day on State Route 446. Some of that is seasonal because 00:15:25.782 --> 00:15:29.438 - you get campers, motorboats, trailer track, 00:15:29.538 --> 00:15:39.010 - Well trailers with motorboats and houseboats and all of that that are on the on the corridor. But that's 00:15:39.010 --> 00:15:48.301 - usually from roughly May until the end of well I'm sorry until Labor Day. And then after that it drops 00:15:48.301 --> 00:15:58.494 - off. The one issue we note there is on the west leg of that intersection somewhat of a grade differential there. 00:15:58.690 --> 00:16:06.376 - And as a result, the automobiles come up in a eastbound movement and they stop on the stop bar and actually 00:16:06.376 --> 00:16:13.563 - they're stopping past the stop bar to check their sight distance. The sight distance to the north is 00:16:13.563 --> 00:16:21.035 - almost unlimited actually. We verify the sight distance to the south and the sight distance to the south 00:16:21.035 --> 00:16:27.582 - is adequate. And then also if you're on the east leg of the intersection and you're looking 00:16:28.130 --> 00:16:35.138 - looking to the south or looking to the north you've got adequate sight distance. The Department 00:16:35.138 --> 00:16:42.802 - of Transportation also added a left turn movement there. So if you were northbound on 446 and you wanted 00:16:42.802 --> 00:16:50.394 - to go westbound on Moore's Pike you could do so. And that reduced a number of the right angle accidents 00:16:50.394 --> 00:16:55.358 - or crashes property damage crashes. But still it's a problem again. 00:16:56.514 --> 00:17:03.197 - We discussed the idea of doing a minor roundabout at the intersection, but the problem with a roundabout 00:17:03.197 --> 00:17:09.816 - is you've got all of the utilities. You can see those there. Utilities up above, and you'd have to have 00:17:09.816 --> 00:17:16.309 - a massive relocation of that. We also talked about the idea of making it a four-way stop, but I don't 00:17:16.309 --> 00:17:22.864 - know if that really meets the warrants since the volumes on Steward 446 are much greater than they are 00:17:22.864 --> 00:17:26.174 - on the other two legs. Anyway, the audit team will, 00:17:26.786 --> 00:17:35.768 - take all of this under consideration. Again, give us a report at the end of September, the first part 00:17:35.768 --> 00:17:44.838 - of October, and we'll make sure that everybody is aware of what happens there. And that's all I've got 00:17:44.838 --> 00:17:53.556 - in the way of roadway safety audits unless anybody has any questions. Okay. If not, we'll move on. 00:17:53.556 --> 00:17:56.638 - Next item, the MPO will be issuing 00:17:57.090 --> 00:18:05.065 - fiscal year 2028 2032 call for projects. We'll be doing that middle part of August to the end of August. 00:18:05.065 --> 00:18:12.811 - The funding which we've got projected available. Normally we would have a total of approximately five 00:18:12.811 --> 00:18:20.482 - and a half five point two five point five million dollars available for funding projection though is 00:18:20.482 --> 00:18:26.558 - that we'll only have somewhere around four point six million dollars available. 00:18:26.786 --> 00:18:35.410 - So a real dollar loss and inflationary increase in costs will be including in that the normal what I 00:18:35.410 --> 00:18:44.547 - would call surface transportation block grant projects will also have what I would call the normal highway 00:18:44.547 --> 00:18:53.085 - safety improvement program call for projects. All of that will be well we'll we'll have a 30 day 30 00:18:53.085 --> 00:18:54.110 - day period. 00:18:54.530 --> 00:19:01.615 - for all of the LPAs to respond. The LPAs would include Town of Ellisville, Monroe County, City 00:19:01.615 --> 00:19:09.147 - of Bloomington, Bloomington Transit, and Area 7 Agency on Aging, or what's called rural transit. I'd 00:19:09.147 --> 00:19:16.604 - be happy to answer any questions anybody may have on that. We'll have much more on that on the next 00:19:16.604 --> 00:19:23.838 - meeting next month. No questions? You know the dates that you're gonna do the call for projects? 00:19:24.226 --> 00:19:32.955 - Do you know the dates of when you're going to put out for the 30 days? We're looking at mid-August to 00:19:32.955 --> 00:19:41.769 - the end of August and then it would be 30 days after we issue the call. Tentatively right now it's the 00:19:41.769 --> 00:19:50.497 - last week of August. We want to give everybody 30 days which should be ample time and the last two to 00:19:50.497 --> 00:19:53.150 - three months we've been saying 00:19:53.474 --> 00:19:59.792 - Beware beware the call is coming. So that way it's not and no one's caught by surprise Some of these 00:19:59.792 --> 00:20:06.486 - may be new projects and some of these may be continuation of existing projects that are already programmed 00:20:06.486 --> 00:20:12.804 - in the current transportation improvement program Does that answer your question? Yeah, I was hoping 00:20:12.804 --> 00:20:19.185 - it was gonna be earlier in August, but that's what I was trying to plan on I appreciate it. Thank you 00:20:19.185 --> 00:20:21.374 - We can make it earlier if you want 00:20:22.274 --> 00:20:28.696 - I would take it earlier. Whatever works for everybody, we'll make it work. Okay, well, yeah, I mean, 00:20:28.696 --> 00:20:35.308 - we have a draft package put together and we have a draft schedule, which has been assembled for several 00:20:35.308 --> 00:20:42.175 - months. Whether we can meet that schedule or not is dependent upon the Indiana Department of Transportation 00:20:42.175 --> 00:20:48.660 - Central Office. Central Office will be doing their call for projects in the middle of, I'm sorry, the 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:52.030 - first week of September to second week of September. 00:20:52.418 --> 00:21:00.078 - and then they will be having a series of public meetings at the Seymour District in September initially, 00:21:00.078 --> 00:21:07.810 - and then they'll also have another one in October. NDOT is looking to have their statewide transportation 00:21:07.810 --> 00:21:15.470 - improvement program adopted somewhere around March or April of next year, which makes us nervous because 00:21:15.470 --> 00:21:21.598 - Federal Highway Administration has been challenged in terms of reviewing everything 00:21:21.698 --> 00:21:32.329 - Because of staff shortages, so we're being Katie and I are being very aggressive on what we're doing 00:21:32.329 --> 00:21:43.276 - to allow ample time for federal highway review Any other questions Okay, thank you Just wanted to share 00:21:43.276 --> 00:21:51.486 - item 6.8 just wanted to share a few updates on some of the projects receiving 00:21:52.162 --> 00:22:00.906 - federal funds through the npto. So the city's downtown curb ramp improvements phase 4 project. The letting 00:22:00.906 --> 00:22:09.159 - date was changed from October to December of this year due to consultant submission delays. The high 00:22:09.159 --> 00:22:17.658 - street project is currently doing its utility road relocation is ready for letting although we did have 00:22:17.658 --> 00:22:21.662 - to change the letting from September to October. 00:22:21.794 --> 00:22:30.244 - due to a federal highway delay. Second Street project, as I'm sure you're all aware, is in construction. 00:22:30.244 --> 00:22:38.453 - Crosswalks Phase 3 and curb rate ramps Phase 5 are both in design. Crosswalks Phase 4, the consultant 00:22:38.453 --> 00:22:46.823 - selection is anticipated for the end of this year. Dunn Street is in its right-of-way acquisition phase 00:22:46.823 --> 00:22:48.030 - at the moment. 00:22:49.058 --> 00:22:58.815 - College and Walnut, as you may recall, has two phases that have been merged into a similar year, and 00:22:58.815 --> 00:23:08.572 - consultant selection for design is underway. Dillman Bridge, number 83. The right of way is starting 00:23:08.572 --> 00:23:14.078 - in the next month or so, and the contract is with Aegis. 00:23:16.258 --> 00:23:27.208 - Eagle Sim bridge nine nine twenty two the county has met with IU officials and other partners and bridge 00:23:27.208 --> 00:23:38.055 - utility relocation will start soon. High friction surface treatment on Fairfax Road. The RFP was posted 00:23:38.055 --> 00:23:43.582 - for construction engineering services just recently. 00:23:43.810 --> 00:23:53.510 - And it has been awarded and will begin soon. Rockport Bridge, number 308, is under construction and 00:23:53.510 --> 00:24:03.500 - anticipated completion is tentative, but perhaps around October. That road bridge, number 79, has been 00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:08.350 - executed and is starting the federal aid process. 00:24:18.242 --> 00:24:27.661 - And in terms of NDOT projects of interest, the intersection improvements on SR45 and Pete Ellis, between 00:24:27.661 --> 00:24:36.811 - Pete Ellis and the bypass, utility relocations are in progress. No utilities have indicated they will 00:24:36.811 --> 00:24:45.961 - close Pete Ellis or SR45 during their relocations. However, there will likely be lane closures during 00:24:45.961 --> 00:24:47.486 - the relocations. 00:24:47.746 --> 00:24:56.031 - And the only utility that really needed a lane closure is CBU water city of Bloomington water and they 00:24:56.031 --> 00:25:04.074 - are coordinating with the contractor to install during their lane closures. And then if you see the 00:25:04.074 --> 00:25:12.117 - link to the spreadsheet that's in the agenda there's more detail on timelines for utilities utility 00:25:12.117 --> 00:25:16.702 - relocation that more detail than you ever wanted to see. 00:25:20.898 --> 00:25:32.048 - Any other questions? Okay, moving on. I have a question. Okay. Could you restate College and Wal-Mart, 00:25:32.048 --> 00:25:42.982 - the update on that, please? Consultant selection for design is in progress. Okay, so evidently there 00:25:42.982 --> 00:25:49.694 - is a design for College and Wal-Mart. What's the requirement? 00:25:51.330 --> 00:25:59.702 - Has a requirement ever been published. Has a weapon proposed. If you have a design you have to have 00:25:59.702 --> 00:26:08.324 - a requirement for the design. Has a requirement ever been published so the public is aware of what the 00:26:08.324 --> 00:26:11.422 - design is going to be. We can check. 00:26:21.986 --> 00:26:29.307 - Director seabor can speak to this a little bit. Yeah, I don't believe that anything has been published 00:26:29.307 --> 00:26:36.627 - formally yet. Yes, that's my understanding is the city's ongoing corridor study for college and walnut 00:26:36.627 --> 00:26:44.161 - is still Pending I know it's been a discussion in these meetings in the past There will be public updates 00:26:44.161 --> 00:26:49.278 - and public opportunities the ultimately the project that study needs is 00:26:49.666 --> 00:26:55.946 - Several a couple commission City Commission and the City Council's review. Right now what is underway 00:26:55.946 --> 00:27:02.164 - is just a consultant section for a design consultant. A design has not been selected but we are just 00:27:02.164 --> 00:27:08.321 - trying to get the ball rolling because it takes time to get things in place. But I do expect in the 00:27:08.321 --> 00:27:14.539 - coming months that more news will be shared and there will be more public discussion on the corridor 00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:18.110 - study. Thank you. Thank you. That addresses your concern. 00:27:18.978 --> 00:27:28.500 - Thanks. Thank you. Any other questions about those things? Wonderful looks like there's more reports 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:38.022 - Yes, thank you Item six point nine just a quick quick note to you on an item that was updated in the 00:27:38.022 --> 00:27:47.827 - tip That did not require committee review The city Bloomington's downtown curb ramps phase four project 00:27:47.827 --> 00:27:48.958 - due to some 00:27:49.442 --> 00:27:58.213 - delays in environmental and design process. The decision was made to update to move the construction 00:27:58.213 --> 00:28:07.158 - phases from fiscal year 26 to 27. And this wasn't a concern really for the MPO because it does not use 00:28:07.158 --> 00:28:16.017 - MPO funds. It's in here because it's using other other federal funds that were awarded to the city as 00:28:16.017 --> 00:28:19.230 - part of a special call for projects. 00:28:19.682 --> 00:28:39.547 - safety call This is the same award that the Monroe County got for their Fairfax Friction surface treatment 00:28:39.547 --> 00:28:48.830 - project Okay item six point ten So this is simply 00:28:49.122 --> 00:28:58.155 - document for your information for now to Get you introduced to the concept. So this is more more information 00:28:58.155 --> 00:29:06.442 - on the amendment Modification process so this describes this multi-layer process that we have to go 00:29:06.442 --> 00:29:14.895 - through There has various levels of review at federal state and local so we have this document called 00:29:14.895 --> 00:29:17.630 - the tip but this also applies to 00:29:17.954 --> 00:29:26.490 - Our other documents such as the MTP as well. So in federal law, they have very kind of broad definitions 00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:34.864 - of what an amendment to the document is considered and what is considered a modification. I've written 00:29:34.864 --> 00:29:43.318 - those here for you. And then at the state level, they have more specific standards in terms of how they 00:29:43.318 --> 00:29:46.814 - take those general federal definitions and 00:29:47.330 --> 00:29:55.195 - They've they've coordinated with Federal Highway to come up with these standards of how they treat or 00:29:55.195 --> 00:30:02.983 - what they determine is an amendment or a modification and This determines whether how long they post 00:30:02.983 --> 00:30:10.848 - it to how long the state posts it to their website for review Before sending it to Federal Highway So 00:30:10.848 --> 00:30:15.166 - you can see it's a little bit more specific And then we 00:30:15.586 --> 00:30:23.660 - also have our own level of review locally and where we can create our own policy for what you guys would 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:31.426 - like to review and see before it then gets sent to in dot and ultimately federal highway. And so our 00:30:31.426 --> 00:30:39.192 - current policy for this is in our participation plan. And I've pulled out the portions that are just 00:30:39.192 --> 00:30:44.190 - related to the tip and put them here for you so that you can see 00:30:44.706 --> 00:30:52.593 - Now we haven't been following this to a tee. I've actually just been giving you way more specific changes 00:30:52.593 --> 00:31:00.554 - than this for a long time now just just so that you all can see as much as possible. So we've been showing 00:31:00.554 --> 00:31:08.217 - you more specific things. But this is this is the process that we have right now where we have a major 00:31:08.217 --> 00:31:09.854 - amendment section and 00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:18.779 - Those require 30 days of review and all committees can see those changes. And then we have a minor amendment 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:26.877 - classification where the citizens advisory and technical advisory committees don't need to see it, but 00:31:26.877 --> 00:31:35.367 - it does have to be approved by the policy committee. And then we have an administrative approval amendments 00:31:35.367 --> 00:31:37.726 - policy, which is close to the 00:31:38.274 --> 00:31:46.766 - you know, federal and state definitions of modification. And those are lesser changes. And we, 00:31:46.766 --> 00:31:55.704 - at one point, dictated that it does not require the 30-day comment period, does not require CAC and 00:31:55.704 --> 00:32:03.838 - TAC review, and it only requires a three-day notice to policy committee members via email. 00:32:07.298 --> 00:32:15.941 - So that's what we have. And moving forward, we may come and present proposed changes to this policy 00:32:15.941 --> 00:32:24.844 - to you to bring it better into alignment with current state and federal processes. And so this is just 00:32:24.844 --> 00:32:33.661 - for you to start thinking in all of your free time. If you have specific things you would like to see 00:32:33.661 --> 00:32:37.118 - or things you really don't care to see, 00:32:37.250 --> 00:32:45.616 - you know the changes don't mean that much to you and you don't think that the committee needs to review 00:32:45.616 --> 00:32:53.661 - it then feel free to like write those down and save them for a time when we propose some changes to 00:32:53.661 --> 00:32:59.614 - this policy or feel free to you know brainstorm on it in in the meantime. 00:33:02.082 --> 00:33:11.342 - Great. Thank you. I think that that wraps up all of the reports from staff. Does anybody have any questions 00:33:11.342 --> 00:33:20.001 - about any of those? Any of those items At this point Okay, I actually do have a clarification on the 00:33:20.001 --> 00:33:28.660 - 6.6 the road safety audits if we can go back to that path I just want to make sure that what I heard 00:33:28.660 --> 00:33:30.718 - from you was right that 00:33:31.714 --> 00:33:40.685 - While you guys were out there somebody triggered the pedestrian walking going across forty six traffic 00:33:40.685 --> 00:33:49.916 - safety five. Right. And that caused a 20 minute backup on Rogers. Yes. OK. Northbound northbound movement 00:33:49.916 --> 00:33:58.974 - on Rogers north. And what time of day were you guys there. We were there. Yeah. Noon hour noon ish. OK. 00:34:01.090 --> 00:34:08.188 - Yeah, well I was thinking about that to you at summer so there's not this is some students and there's 00:34:08.188 --> 00:34:15.424 - a lot of student housing in that area, but but that's also not when that intersection is horribly backed 00:34:15.424 --> 00:34:22.798 - up when School gets out both Arlington Elementary and also North High School that gets crazy on on concern 00:34:22.798 --> 00:34:29.758 - for and we did observe two pedestrians prior to his triggering We observed two pedestrians initially 00:34:30.178 --> 00:34:39.475 - and then 15 20 minutes later is when he went over there and Hit the trigger and then that's when the 00:34:39.475 --> 00:34:49.048 - backup happened and actually one of the vehicles a southbound to westbound turning movement from Kinzer 00:34:49.048 --> 00:34:58.253 - in other words, they were Driving south on Kinzer and they were turning west onto the bypass one of 00:34:58.253 --> 00:34:59.358 - them almost 00:35:00.290 --> 00:35:07.768 - Yeah gave him an intimidation Movement and he gave them the evil eye but and we were concerned about 00:35:07.768 --> 00:35:15.542 - that but Yeah, because they're normally the vehicles aren't looking for pedestrians and that's the issue 00:35:15.542 --> 00:35:23.168 - that we're worried about it's not That we've had any pedestrian Incidents at that location. It's about 00:35:23.168 --> 00:35:27.166 - the potential that that's got us deeply concerned and 00:35:27.714 --> 00:35:35.720 - Well and there have been pedestrian incidents at that location in. Yeah. In the past. Yeah. In the past. 00:35:35.720 --> 00:35:43.878 - And then the Department of Transportation also has in a longer range program putting a pedestrian sidewalk 00:35:43.878 --> 00:35:51.655 - on the north side of the bypass between college Walnut and Kinzer. That sidewalk would be a protected 00:35:51.655 --> 00:35:57.374 - sidewalk with a barrier wall. But that is probably four to five years out. 00:35:58.018 --> 00:36:04.845 - before construction would begin on that. That would facilitate the safe movement of pedestrians in that 00:36:04.845 --> 00:36:11.607 - area, at least on the north side of the bypass. But that doesn't necessarily address that intersection 00:36:11.607 --> 00:36:18.368 - specifically itself. Yeah, it certainly doesn't help the crossing distance. OK, thank you so much. And 00:36:18.368 --> 00:36:24.932 - we did discuss a wide variety of options and taking into consideration the bridge project of NDOTs, 00:36:24.932 --> 00:36:27.230 - the pedestrian bridge to the west, 00:36:27.522 --> 00:36:35.904 - that project is forthcoming and then the sidewalk that Pat was speaking about and even talking about 00:36:35.904 --> 00:36:44.701 - cascades, you know, and what is the best, you know, what is the best path, way to create that path across 00:36:44.701 --> 00:36:53.498 - the bypass using all of those elements. And we talked to him a bit about the concept of moving the bridge 00:36:53.498 --> 00:36:57.150 - to Kinzer and it sounds like the hesitation 00:36:57.506 --> 00:37:07.074 - With that is that it would take a lot of right of way, a lot of additional funds to make the appropriate 00:37:07.074 --> 00:37:16.186 - decline, you know, coming down onto Rogers or coming down onto Kinzer Pike. And another alternative 00:37:16.186 --> 00:37:25.662 - would be to create a tunnel underneath the highway, which it sounds like they're hesitant to do because 00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:34.382 - They fear vandalism of lights and folks, just the unsafety feeling of the tunnel, which they'll still 00:37:34.382 --> 00:37:42.551 - be thinking about it, but I don't know that that would be as much of an issue for us, the vandalism 00:37:42.551 --> 00:37:50.884 - part of it, or the unsafety part of it, but those are some of their initial thoughts about the bridge 00:37:50.884 --> 00:37:52.926 - moving to that location. 00:37:54.338 --> 00:38:04.101 - Thank you. Was there any consideration about narrowing the road there at all because there's like significant 00:38:04.101 --> 00:38:13.597 - shoulder and quite wide lanes and We would we would love to do that but the Federal Highway Administration 00:38:13.597 --> 00:38:22.206 - as of two weeks ago narrowing travel lanes is a verboten That's a safety countermeasure that was 00:38:22.946 --> 00:38:30.611 - out there on Federal Highway's Web site one of twenty eight one of twenty eight safety countermeasures 00:38:30.611 --> 00:38:38.276 - proven safety countermeasures out there narrowing travel lands. But that one was removed two weeks ago 00:38:38.276 --> 00:38:45.867 - along with a few others. OK. Thank you. It also sounds like the capacity is too much for a roundabout 00:38:45.867 --> 00:38:52.862 - but I don't know that some sort of peanut roundabout I don't know the official name for that. 00:38:52.994 --> 00:39:02.090 - Like a double roundabout between College of Walnut and Kinzer I don't think that's necessarily out of 00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:11.098 - the question, but it's something they'll also look into as well Great, thank you. It's also called a 00:39:11.098 --> 00:39:21.086 - double dog bone. What I couldn't it's called a double dog bone Double dog bone Yeah, double dog bone. Yeah, but 00:39:21.282 --> 00:39:28.390 - That that's pretty far out there, right? But certainly the turning the Even if even if lanes can't be 00:39:28.390 --> 00:39:35.359 - reduced in size the the turning radius is pretty large You know, they don't doesn't require cars to 00:39:35.359 --> 00:39:42.815 - really slow down very much which is the as a primary hazard for pedestrians so You know, I do I do believe 00:39:42.815 --> 00:39:49.993 - that's something they'll be working to address. The question is, you know How big of a change are they 00:39:49.993 --> 00:39:51.038 - going to make? 00:39:51.138 --> 00:39:59.732 - You know and how much funding will it require. That was that was another thing the 85th percentile speed 00:39:59.732 --> 00:40:08.081 - on the west side of that intersection was 55 miles an hour even though it's posted 45. They're coming 00:40:08.081 --> 00:40:16.266 - off of the interstate or coming off of what I would call a modified freeway and they're still up to 00:40:16.266 --> 00:40:18.558 - speed. The 85th percentile. 00:40:18.818 --> 00:40:26.966 - On the east side of that intersection was only somewhere around 50 to 45 miles an hour. So it was within 00:40:26.966 --> 00:40:35.114 - the speed limit on the east side but on the west side there 10 miles an hour above posted speeds. Great. 00:40:35.114 --> 00:40:43.263 - Thank you so much for all that additional information. Any other questions Mr. Harris. I wasn't to bring 00:40:43.263 --> 00:40:46.910 - this up but I think it's relevant. Number one. 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:54.163 - With respect to when these audits are conducted the point was brought up closer. We can. How about now. 00:40:54.163 --> 00:41:01.248 - That's OK. I wasn't going to bring it up but I think it's relevant and it was brought up just a couple 00:41:01.248 --> 00:41:08.539 - of minutes ago. All these audits should be done when the students are here because all around Bloomington 00:41:08.539 --> 00:41:15.486 - as well as we all know it's saturated right now. It's a pretty pleasant drive in certain elements of 00:41:15.486 --> 00:41:16.862 - the city right now. 00:41:17.122 --> 00:41:24.189 - So I would suggest that in future audits, and there may be a timing issue, et cetera, et cetera, because 00:41:24.189 --> 00:41:30.919 - of when these reports are due, but I would suggest that they be done when the student population is 00:41:30.919 --> 00:41:38.120 - present, because you're going to get a much different picture when the students are here than when they're 00:41:38.120 --> 00:41:44.850 - not. The second point that I would bring up, and it's really a question, and that is that for years 00:41:44.850 --> 00:41:46.398 - now we have brought up 00:41:47.490 --> 00:41:55.000 - the issue of public safety with respect from Grand, this is 10th Street, from Grandview all the way 00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:02.661 - up to Russell Road, and those folks were familiar with that roadway over there. There is no shoulder, 00:42:02.661 --> 00:42:10.322 - it's very narrow, there are no sidewalks, and because of the increased student population, because of 00:42:10.322 --> 00:42:14.302 - the more apartment complexes, because of the church, 00:42:14.530 --> 00:42:22.288 - which has now expanded exponentially in the school there and such it. And we have people walking along 00:42:22.288 --> 00:42:30.121 - that roadway there pushing strollers. I've seen skateboards. I've seen all sorts of folks being exposed 00:42:30.121 --> 00:42:37.653 - particularly when you go from Grandview going going east as you come over that hill. You cannot see 00:42:37.653 --> 00:42:42.398 - people on the other side. So from an audit standpoint has this 00:42:43.202 --> 00:42:51.669 - piece of roadway between Grandview up to Russell Road after hearing some of the concerns I've heard 00:42:51.669 --> 00:43:00.390 - on the ones that you're actually talking about. Has that ever reached the level of an audit. No it has 00:43:00.390 --> 00:43:09.027 - not really reached a level of audit on steward forty five to forty five from the bypass to Pete Ellis 00:43:09.027 --> 00:43:10.974 - to up to Russell Road. 00:43:12.162 --> 00:43:19.441 - There's not been an audit done on that even though we have had a fatality down now. They're now on the 00:43:19.441 --> 00:43:26.649 - bottom of that hill there as you go up to these are these audits are selected on a statewide basis in 00:43:26.649 --> 00:43:33.786 - relation to other corridors in the state. And so from a process standpoint to do we this body or you 00:43:33.786 --> 00:43:39.934 - representing our as the MPO staff to see more do you get a chance to provide an input. 00:43:41.826 --> 00:43:48.618 - Yeah, there may have been an audit done in the past because Russell Road down to the bypass is slated 00:43:48.618 --> 00:43:55.344 - for projects. I mean, those projects are in the timeline. I don't think it would have made it to the 00:43:55.344 --> 00:44:02.004 - point of being scheduled for federal, for state funding if there hadn't been a safety audit done at 00:44:02.004 --> 00:44:04.734 - some point, but it was likely years ago. 00:44:05.314 --> 00:44:12.333 - Okay so that the argument well the data point would be that if it's a scheduled project then an audit 00:44:12.333 --> 00:44:19.558 - is not something you would normally do on a scheduled project. It is something you would do on a project 00:44:19.558 --> 00:44:26.438 - before it gets to the point of being scheduled for funding. Yes. So there likely was a safety audit 00:44:26.438 --> 00:44:33.526 - done at some point. I'm unaware. It just may not be in our memory of things. Okay. My point I'm making 00:44:33.526 --> 00:44:34.558 - is is that the 00:44:34.850 --> 00:44:42.295 - The project for the from essentially Pete Ellis all the way up to Russell Road has been pushed FY 31. 00:44:42.295 --> 00:44:50.033 - I believe 32. I think that's 32. And so if you in fact had an audit that talked about an increased public 00:44:50.033 --> 00:44:57.770 - safety requirement that would help facilitate hopefully moving that project to be completed in an earlier 00:44:57.770 --> 00:45:03.902 - date that's my only point I'm making since that project has made it to the point of 00:45:04.194 --> 00:45:12.182 - getting on the schedule for state funds then my point is there is likely already a safety audit that 00:45:12.182 --> 00:45:20.092 - has been done for that entire stretch but I encourage you to if you want to submit I end up for you 00:45:20.092 --> 00:45:28.317 - ticket to ask that's something you could do all right you've answered my question thank you great thank 00:45:28.317 --> 00:45:33.854 - you very much are there any other questions on the reports from staff 00:45:36.194 --> 00:45:46.525 - Okay, let's go ahead and move on then we don't have any old business on the agenda new business we have 00:45:46.525 --> 00:45:56.658 - resolution FY 20 2701 proposed changes to the 2026 2030 BMC MPO tip Yes, we have some changes to make 00:45:56.658 --> 00:46:05.598 - the tip the first is the addition of a new in dot projects two of them, although they are 00:46:06.338 --> 00:46:14.573 - The general category is already in the tip, so we already have fiscal year funding for seven and eight 00:46:14.573 --> 00:46:22.647 - in here for traffic signal modernizations at various locations in the Seymour district, but they are 00:46:22.647 --> 00:46:31.042 - adding on some projections for 29 and 30 funding. Again, this is not specific to us yet, but there could 00:46:31.042 --> 00:46:36.318 - be some of these projects for us in the future, and getting it in 00:46:36.418 --> 00:46:46.412 - Our document helps speed up all of the approval processes in the future. Similarly the second amendment 00:46:46.412 --> 00:46:56.407 - is we'd like to add to in dot projects for raised pavement markings at various locations in the Seymour 00:46:56.407 --> 00:47:03.134 - district. Again this is already in the tip but this is an addition of 00:47:03.618 --> 00:47:14.887 - funds for projected for fiscal year 29 and 30 this is also general category funding for the Seymour 00:47:14.887 --> 00:47:26.720 - district, which is the district we're in and More specific allocations will be determined at later times 00:47:26.720 --> 00:47:31.678 - Third we Were asked by in dot to update the 00:47:32.034 --> 00:47:43.325 - Project for 446 between SR 45 and Morris Pike or s between SR 46 and Morris Pike So this is that north-south 00:47:43.325 --> 00:47:53.891 - road that That has it's been in the tip for a while, but they have removed the HMA overlay portion of 00:47:53.891 --> 00:47:59.070 - the project or they're proposing to remove it and 00:47:59.234 --> 00:48:08.899 - they've changed the title to bicycle pedestrian facilities on SR 446. They've also had to move the right 00:48:08.899 --> 00:48:18.565 - away phase out to 29 and the construction phase to 32. And this decision would have been just made based 00:48:18.565 --> 00:48:28.414 - on their own prioritization and funding levels. This project we did have a discussion with the city county 00:48:28.738 --> 00:48:40.557 - city folks county folks and in dot a year ago last April or so to discuss the pedestrian facility portion 00:48:40.557 --> 00:48:52.153 - of this project and the city and county both advocate for a multi-use path. However the funding in does 00:48:52.153 --> 00:48:58.174 - not fund they have specific ways that they categorize 00:48:58.306 --> 00:49:07.108 - what they find and sidewalks in a specific with a specific with I think six feet or so is the max that 00:49:07.108 --> 00:49:15.824 - they will find the only the only occasion when they will find something wider than that is if a multi 00:49:15.824 --> 00:49:24.455 - use path happens to be cheaper than the sidewalk or if the local public agencies decide to help with 00:49:24.455 --> 00:49:25.566 - the funding. 00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:35.562 - So as of now it is it's it's just a sidewalk because there's not been any further discussions on that 00:49:35.562 --> 00:49:42.905 - and there probably won't be since it's been pushed out a few years. The fourth change is to update the 00:49:42.905 --> 00:49:50.035 - county's SR 37 and Dillman Road intersection improvement project. So after we moved this project to 00:49:50.035 --> 00:49:54.526 - a new fiscal year and we moved the college and Walnut project. 00:49:55.010 --> 00:50:03.785 - projected timeline to a different year. We reorganize the funding. You were with us through all of this 00:50:03.785 --> 00:50:12.392 - and we ended up with hundred and twenty two thousand leftover after the exchanges that we did in left 00:50:12.392 --> 00:50:21.589 - over in fiscal year twenty eight. And then we met with the county highway department and city of Bloomington 00:50:21.589 --> 00:50:23.614 - engineering department. 00:50:24.226 --> 00:50:33.260 - kind of because both of those LPAs had projects in fiscal year 28 that could use the funds and we ultimately 00:50:33.260 --> 00:50:41.713 - have decided to propose to you that we give those funds to the 37 South and Dillman Road project. And 00:50:41.713 --> 00:50:49.918 - so this update adds that hundred and twenty two thousand to the right away phase for this project. 00:50:59.106 --> 00:51:07.754 - Thank you. I think that looks like that. Does anybody have any questions about any of these tip amendments. 00:51:07.754 --> 00:51:16.163 - All right. Seeing none I think that that means that we need to go to public comment around this. I don't 00:51:16.163 --> 00:51:24.250 - see any members of the public in the room. Are there any members of the public on zoom. There is one 00:51:24.250 --> 00:51:27.934 - but he'll raise his hand if he has something. 00:51:28.034 --> 00:51:36.533 - If the member of the public on zoom would like to comment on the tip amendments Now is the moment that 00:51:36.533 --> 00:51:45.197 - you can raise your hand Using the raise hand option after the reactions tab Has there been a hand raised 00:51:45.197 --> 00:51:53.944 - okay, great then we'll go ahead and close public comment and then return back to the committee if anybody 00:51:53.944 --> 00:51:57.822 - has any comments Otherwise, I'll take a motion 00:52:03.618 --> 00:52:12.714 - Would anybody like to move approval of a move approval of resolution FY twenty twenty seven dash one 00:52:12.714 --> 00:52:22.079 - proposed changes to the FY twenty twenty six to twenty thirty MPO tip. Do I have a second. I'll second. 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:31.355 - Thank you so much. With a motion and a second we please call the roll on approval of resolution twenty 00:52:31.355 --> 00:52:33.246 - twenty seven oh one. 00:52:33.922 --> 00:52:45.731 - Yes Seaborg. Yes Warren. Yes Stasburg. Yes. Bannock. Yes. Thomas. Yes. Ridge. Yes. Kennedy. Yes. Wellings. 00:52:45.731 --> 00:52:56.988 - Yes. Ferris. Yes. Motion passes. Thank you so much. Let's go ahead and move on to the second piece of 00:52:56.988 --> 00:53:01.182 - new business resolution FY 20 27 0 2. 00:53:03.362 --> 00:53:11.186 - Okay, the resolution is on page 32 and 33. On page 34, beginning of page 34 is a memorandum from the 00:53:11.186 --> 00:53:19.707 - staff concerning the national performance safety targets required by the Indiana Department of Transportation 00:53:19.707 --> 00:53:27.608 - for the Federal Highway Administration. These are for calendar year 2027 performance targets. This is 00:53:27.608 --> 00:53:32.798 - part of the National Transportation Performance Management System. 00:53:33.122 --> 00:53:40.914 - Required as a strategic approach for using system data to make informed investment and policy decisions 00:53:40.914 --> 00:53:48.407 - to achieve goals established by the Congress the targets the Measures performance measures which we 00:53:48.407 --> 00:53:56.424 - identify as targets. They identify as targets also include the number of fatalities the rate of fatalities 00:53:56.424 --> 00:53:59.646 - per 100 million vehicle miles traveled and 00:54:00.002 --> 00:54:07.675 - number of serious injuries the rate of serious injuries per 100 million vehicle miles traveled the number 00:54:07.675 --> 00:54:15.130 - of non motorized fatalities and no non motorized serious injuries going down into well they use a five 00:54:15.130 --> 00:54:22.368 - year rolling average. I'll go into the details of the data the statistics here in just a minute. We 00:54:22.368 --> 00:54:29.534 - use our five year rolling average to come to these numbers. State of Indiana's calendar year 2027. 00:54:29.666 --> 00:54:35.988 - performance targets include fatalities at seven hundred seventy seven the rate of fatalities at zero 00:54:35.988 --> 00:54:42.498 - point nine seven per one hundred million vehicle miles traveled number of serious injuries two thousand 00:54:42.498 --> 00:54:48.819 - nine hundred the rate of serious injuries for one hundred million vehicle miles traveled three point 00:54:48.819 --> 00:54:55.204 - six two and the number of non motorized fatalities and serious injuries equals four hundred and fifty 00:54:55.204 --> 00:54:56.894 - three. Now this reflects a 00:54:57.058 --> 00:55:07.643 - two percent straight line reduction as published in the Indiana State Highway Safety Plan in twenty 00:55:07.643 --> 00:55:18.757 - twenty two the baseline. I'll go down to the to the graphs here. My mouse works OK go down to the graphs 00:55:18.757 --> 00:55:22.462 - the data I'm sorry the first year. 00:55:22.594 --> 00:55:29.242 - I'm going to do a deep dive on all of this so that way all of you understand exactly how the numbers 00:55:29.242 --> 00:55:35.889 - come about because there have been questions in previous years about how did they derive the numbers 00:55:35.889 --> 00:55:42.735 - that they achieved or the targets they hope to achieve. First table there is the state of Indiana fatal 00:55:42.735 --> 00:55:49.448 - and serious injury crash data from 2014 to 2025. You can see the fatalities were at seven hundred and 00:55:49.448 --> 00:55:50.238 - forty five. 00:55:50.338 --> 00:55:58.172 - back in 2014 and in 2025 there were eight hundred and forty four. Now the volume on that is per hundred 00:55:58.172 --> 00:56:05.781 - million vehicle miles traveled seven ninety one point seven one back in 2014 up to nine ninety seven 00:56:05.781 --> 00:56:13.389 - oh two in calendar year 2025. If you adjust that for the fatality rate in other words what your what 00:56:13.389 --> 00:56:20.094 - your volume is for the number of fatalities you can see it was zero point nine four one. 00:56:20.482 --> 00:56:28.260 - back in 2014 and then in recent years in twenty twenty four zero point eight seven six and in twenty 00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:36.346 - twenty five zero point eight four seven serious injuries. There's no there's been no definitional change 00:56:36.346 --> 00:56:44.586 - on fatalities fatality as a fatality but on serious injuries there's been a series of definitional changes 00:56:44.586 --> 00:56:47.358 - on what constitutes serious injury. 00:56:48.290 --> 00:56:55.616 - Prior years, serious injury was determined by the officer completing the report in the field itself. 00:56:55.616 --> 00:57:03.088 - If he determined that he or she determined that somebody was seriously injured, it was marked as thus. 00:57:03.088 --> 00:57:10.632 - And then in more recent years, it was if they required a transport to a medical facility or a hospital, 00:57:10.632 --> 00:57:16.798 - that was classified as a serious injury. And then the definitional change came about 00:57:16.962 --> 00:57:26.515 - just in recent year and that is much more specific. I won't go into the detail on what that is but we're 00:57:26.515 --> 00:57:36.160 - looking at serious injuries what the definition is definition was was three different factors. But anyway 00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:44.894 - going back to 2014 33 3338 and then in 2025 looking at four thousand four hundred ninety eight. 00:57:45.666 --> 00:57:53.534 - Serious injury rate there four point two one five in twenty fourteen four point five one one in twenty 00:57:53.534 --> 00:58:01.478 - twenty five non motorized fatalities and serious injuries. These are the total for the state of Indiana 00:58:01.478 --> 00:58:09.345 - in twenty fourteen through twenty twenty five point sixty one in twenty fourteen five hundred nineteen 00:58:09.345 --> 00:58:11.102 - in twenty twenty five. 00:58:11.394 --> 00:58:19.908 - The non motorized fatalities these are pedestrians and bicycles and then I was informed yesterday that 00:58:19.908 --> 00:58:28.256 - this also includes buggies or strong buggies. It has to be a vehicle vehicle to a non motorized type 00:58:28.256 --> 00:58:36.769 - type of movement. In other words a pedestrian pedestrian or a scooter to a pedestrian or a bicycle put 00:58:36.769 --> 00:58:41.150 - to a pedestrian doesn't qualify in these statistics. 00:58:41.794 --> 00:58:52.132 - You can see the non motorized went from 90 back in 2014 126 in 2025 non motorized serious injuries. 00:58:52.132 --> 00:59:02.470 - Again this is subject to the caveat of what is a serious injury. It's been a moving definition from 00:59:02.470 --> 00:59:07.742 - 2014 371 to 393. Then if you go to the next table. 00:59:11.138 --> 00:59:19.684 - You're looking at this as a five year rolling average five years what I would call data smoothing. This 00:59:19.684 --> 00:59:28.477 - is a statistical methodology required by Congress through Congress and the Federal Highway Administration. 00:59:28.477 --> 00:59:36.694 - You look at the 2014 to 2018 fatalities eight hundred and thirty three point four and then adjusted 00:59:36.694 --> 00:59:37.598 - for a VMT. 00:59:37.794 --> 00:59:45.091 - is eight hundred and seven point eight two but then if you look at twenty twenty one twenty twenty five 00:59:45.091 --> 00:59:52.527 - eight hundred ninety six fatalities and that's adjusted to eight point nine one point one for the volumes 00:59:52.527 --> 00:59:59.613 - the rate of fatalities then is one point zero three in twenty fourteen twenty eighteen one point one 00:59:59.613 --> 01:00:06.910 - eight slight rise in twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five serious injuries thirty three seventy five 01:00:07.522 --> 01:00:19.110 - in the smoothing there from 2014 to 2018 up to four thousand and twenty six in twenty twenty one twenty 01:00:19.110 --> 01:00:30.363 - twenty five. Same goes for the rate of serious injuries four point one. I'm sorry. Four thousand one 01:00:30.363 --> 01:00:32.926 - hundred oh yeah. Okay. 01:00:34.114 --> 01:00:42.446 - Got an extra decimal point an extra number in there that should only be three digits out four point 01:00:42.446 --> 01:00:51.027 - one seven nine and then that's supposed to be four thousand five hundred ninety five and then the rate 01:00:51.027 --> 01:00:59.525 - of serious injuries from that then boiling that down to the next table the final table. This is where 01:00:59.525 --> 01:01:03.358 - we get I affectionately call where we get the 01:01:03.554 --> 01:01:11.090 - the actual goals of the county calendar year 2021 was the baseline volume here for fatalities eight 01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:18.851 - hundred and eighty three the rate of fatalities one point one zero two serious injuries three thousand 01:01:18.851 --> 01:01:26.462 - two hundred ninety five serious injury rate four point one one and then the non motorized fatalities 01:01:26.462 --> 01:01:33.470 - and serious injuries five one four point four and then applying the two percent reduction in 01:01:33.954 --> 01:01:44.335 - You probably will ask why 2 percent. Why not 5 1 on 10 1 on 50. Well the 2 percent is achievable. 01:01:44.335 --> 01:01:54.927 - So the 2.2 percent was the adopted rate for calendar year 20 22 20 23 24 25 and 26. You can see how 01:01:54.927 --> 01:02:01.918 - it performs. There's been a drop in the fatalities from 20 23 4 5 01:02:02.338 --> 01:02:10.256 - And then in six in terms of the targets then you look at the serious injury rates. There's also been 01:02:10.256 --> 01:02:18.410 - a subsequent drop there to the non motorized and serious injuries. You'll see that that one is actually 01:02:18.410 --> 01:02:26.485 - dropped also. And then the targets which are in the memo in our staff memo reflect the current current 01:02:26.485 --> 01:02:32.286 - targets that the Department of Transportation has that they will turn in. 01:02:32.866 --> 01:02:40.014 - to the Federal Highway Administration the end of this month seven hundred seventy seven fatalities zero 01:02:40.014 --> 01:02:47.093 - point nine six nine. The rate two thousand eight hundred ninety nine rounded up to twenty nine hundred 01:02:47.093 --> 01:02:53.965 - for the serious injuries. The rate there is three point six one and then four hundred and fifty two 01:02:53.965 --> 01:02:59.326 - point well actually four hundred and fifty three is what it will round up to. 01:03:00.578 --> 01:03:08.068 - And that's a lot of data but I wanted to show you exactly how this came about. So that way you get an 01:03:08.068 --> 01:03:15.486 - understanding of the process. I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone may have. Thank you. Does 01:03:15.486 --> 01:03:23.417 - anybody have any questions. I just make more of a comment than a question but at the TAC level on Wednesday 01:03:23.417 --> 01:03:28.190 - we saw this exact same presentation that Pat just provided and I 01:03:28.642 --> 01:03:35.903 - I think it's fair to say that we always struggle with this. The rate of fatalities and we understand 01:03:35.903 --> 01:03:43.092 - what in doubt is presenting here and we also understand that these are maximum numbers. But I think 01:03:43.092 --> 01:03:50.497 - it's pretty safe to say that it's sobering to see these numbers and being asked to approve these every 01:03:50.497 --> 01:03:57.470 - year kind of makes us talk a little bit at the TAC level about just overall goals and safety and 01:03:57.762 --> 01:04:06.120 - I think, ideally, we at the TAC would like to see a zero fatality rate. And that's something that, although, 01:04:06.120 --> 01:04:14.172 - again, this is constrained by NDOT, and this is, you know, they have their own limitations here as well. 01:04:14.172 --> 01:04:22.070 - And they're certainly looking at safety as a priority. But I think we felt comfortable in saying that, 01:04:22.070 --> 01:04:25.214 - you know, we could accept these numbers. 01:04:25.730 --> 01:04:33.634 - We'd like to put a asterisk or disclaimer or however we wanted to note that here that we should have 01:04:33.634 --> 01:04:41.617 - zero. And so really kind of the crash targets and fatalities really should be that that should be the 01:04:41.617 --> 01:04:49.678 - target. So T.A.C. came up with some some draft language and we'd like to offer that as maybe some good 01:04:49.678 --> 01:04:53.982 - language to have here at the policy committee as well. 01:04:54.818 --> 01:05:03.017 - like to add to the Indiana fatality crash profile from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five fatalities 01:05:03.017 --> 01:05:11.217 - predominantly on rural in rural sections predominantly on local routes predominantly they involve roadway 01:05:11.217 --> 01:05:18.952 - departure. In other words the vehicle went airborne which indicates excessive speed. They typically 01:05:18.952 --> 01:05:22.974 - are a younger driver somewhere under the age of 26. 01:05:23.426 --> 01:05:31.058 - And also it also involves passenger vehicles not commercial vehicles the typical serious injury for 01:05:31.058 --> 01:05:38.920 - the same crash profile for twenty twenty one twenty twenty five predominantly urban again local routes 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:47.010 - predominantly turning or ankle movements and roadway departures youngest drivers youngest drivers meaning 01:05:47.010 --> 01:05:52.734 - somebody under the age of 30 or so and typically passenger vehicles again. 01:05:53.634 --> 01:06:01.285 - So these are the Department of Transportation has a limitation on what they can do with the state route 01:06:01.285 --> 01:06:08.936 - if the issues are on a local level. And the city of Bloomington has an adopted division zero goal which 01:06:08.936 --> 01:06:16.807 - was in the safe roads and streets for all plan adopted in December of twenty twenty four. State of Indiana 01:06:16.807 --> 01:06:22.398 - does not have a vision zero but they have a goal towards zero quote unquote 01:06:22.786 --> 01:06:34.360 - which is used by somewhere around 22 to 25 different states. Nate would you like to share the proposed 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:45.822 - language from the T.A.C. And I think you just had it up there. There we go. Right here is disclaimer. 01:07:08.226 --> 01:07:15.174 - You want me to read it Hopi. Well I think that it would be good maybe to read it and yes just in case 01:07:15.174 --> 01:07:22.326 - somebody watching this afterwards that doesn't have access to the screen fatalities and serious injuries 01:07:22.326 --> 01:07:29.819 - that result from crashes on public streets can and should be prevented. The TAC believes that zero fatalities 01:07:29.819 --> 01:07:36.222 - and zero serious injuries is a more appropriate goal or target for in dot and MPOs to pursue. 01:07:36.738 --> 01:07:43.382 - However, the TAC understands that in dot safety target declaration numbers are intended to convey only 01:07:43.382 --> 01:07:50.026 - an incremental change towards safer streets and not an ultimate goal. Furthermore, the TAC understands 01:07:50.026 --> 01:07:56.541 - that these safety performance targets primarily affect distribution of federal funding and would not 01:07:56.541 --> 01:08:00.798 - be used to justify fatal or serious injury crashes as acceptable. 01:08:04.930 --> 01:08:18.612 - As such the TAC recommends that the MPO policy committee approve the in dot safety performance targets. 01:08:18.612 --> 01:08:30.846 - Thank you. Are there other comments or questions or follow ups to that. Mr Seymour I just I. 01:08:31.042 --> 01:08:37.101 - I appreciate the more detailed presentation. I know every year like Mr. Nickle presented this is an 01:08:37.101 --> 01:08:43.281 - awkward topic to be reviewing and discussing. I think in the past in my mind ideally I appreciate MPO 01:08:43.281 --> 01:08:49.522 - staff are presenting this. Ultimately this is coming from in that though and in my ideal world in that 01:08:49.522 --> 01:08:55.883 - somebody from in that safety would be here presenting this. So maybe we could get more into the in-depth 01:08:55.883 --> 01:09:00.670 - questions. But this is me just leading to maybe an observation that I'm having 01:09:01.282 --> 01:09:08.667 - A part of me wishes, of course, for a better or more reduction in these types of crashes, but as you 01:09:08.667 --> 01:09:16.125 - see in these charts over time, INDOT's numbers are incrementally changing over the years, and it does 01:09:16.125 --> 01:09:23.511 - become relatively significant, and so while their goals continue to decrease, the observation I have 01:09:23.511 --> 01:09:29.214 - is that the actual numbers are not, and so the discrepancy continues to grow, 01:09:29.538 --> 01:09:37.027 - And so I appreciate that their goals and targets are decreasing, but the observation I'm having and 01:09:37.027 --> 01:09:44.591 - just wanting to reflect on is that the actual crashes are not. And so just ultimately my question to 01:09:44.591 --> 01:09:52.380 - INDOT or to others is, what are we going to do to try to actually achieve these goals? And that is more 01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:56.574 - just not something directed to anybody at this meeting. 01:09:59.042 --> 01:10:07.561 - Thank you. Any other thoughts on this? Did we lose Lisa online? No, I just got her out of the way. OK, 01:10:07.561 --> 01:10:15.998 - that's fine. I just wanted to I just wanted to make sure if she had a hand up for anything that I was 01:10:15.998 --> 01:10:24.517 - acknowledging her. I have kind of a similar comment that I'll go ahead and make based on Mr. Seaborg's 01:10:24.517 --> 01:10:25.758 - comment that I 01:10:27.586 --> 01:10:36.094 - What I heard you say was that in that was meeting their targets in 22 23 24 et cetera based on the baseline. 01:10:36.094 --> 01:10:44.211 - But what I see in the chart above that of the five year rolling average fatalities and serious injuries 01:10:44.211 --> 01:10:52.094 - the not only are the numbers increasing overall but the rate of serious injury is also increasing as 01:10:52.094 --> 01:10:55.294 - is the rate of fatality based on volume. 01:10:56.802 --> 01:11:07.206 - So I was a little confused at how they could actually be meeting their targets if their overall rates 01:11:07.206 --> 01:11:17.610 - are actually increasing not decreasing under the current legislation. They must meet their targets 22 01:11:17.610 --> 01:11:25.566 - 23 24 25 and 26. They've met the targets in two out of the four years so far. 01:11:26.178 --> 01:11:33.613 - We have a five year period here currently right now. They met the targets in two of the years and the 01:11:33.613 --> 01:11:41.048 - jury is still out for calendar year twenty twenty six. The fatality rate the fatalities have actually 01:11:41.048 --> 01:11:48.556 - gone down. The serious injuries have gone up and going back to what I'd previously said this isn't the 01:11:48.556 --> 01:11:53.950 - Indiana Department of Transportation. They're happening on a local level. 01:11:54.146 --> 01:12:02.777 - outside of the jurisdiction of the Department of Transportation. So if they fail to meet three out of 01:12:02.777 --> 01:12:11.407 - the five years they fail to meet three out of the five years there'll be a reassignment of funding to 01:12:11.407 --> 01:12:20.292 - Highway Safety Improvement Program projects won't be any net loss of funding but it'll be a reassignment 01:12:20.292 --> 01:12:22.238 - to HSIP type projects. 01:12:23.938 --> 01:12:30.952 - You know in in dot has only a certain amount of control over this because it's the entire state. But 01:12:30.952 --> 01:12:37.897 - if if the issues the fatalities are happening on the local level and serious injuries are happening 01:12:37.897 --> 01:12:45.467 - on the local level I'm not sure what can be done on that with respect to that other than shifting additional 01:12:45.467 --> 01:12:52.481 - safety funds to a local level. I hope that answers your question. Well no I guess I'm still a little 01:12:52.481 --> 01:12:53.662 - confused because 01:12:53.762 --> 01:13:02.559 - Mean we have a couple different charts here one is the actual year-over-year data and one is the five-year 01:13:02.559 --> 01:13:11.192 - rolling average data and so I'm looking at the at the rolling average data and Not Like seeing decreases 01:13:11.192 --> 01:13:19.579 - particularly but the individual years sometimes there are decreases and sometimes there are increases 01:13:19.579 --> 01:13:20.894 - so is it that I 01:13:22.722 --> 01:13:30.603 - Decide that compliance. We're looking at the single year. No, we're looking at For compliance, it would 01:13:30.603 --> 01:13:38.256 - be calendar baseline. The baseline is calendar year 2021 Okay, so it is looking at the yeah the last 01:13:38.256 --> 01:13:42.878 - year the last chart Yeah, the baseline is calendar year 2021 01:13:43.202 --> 01:13:50.475 - So the real target years are twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five. Okay. As individual years. 01:13:50.475 --> 01:13:57.472 - Yes. Okay. Okay. As individual years and then that will be thrown into a rolling average. Okay. Once 01:13:57.472 --> 01:14:04.399 - those are over with the rolling average could be somewhat confusing in that you could conflate that 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:10.910 - with current and it's it's really to just show performance more than anything else over time. 01:14:12.962 --> 01:14:25.372 - And again that definition of what's a serious injury has been fungible over the last three times three 01:14:25.372 --> 01:14:37.903 - times it's been fungible ever since 2014 Mr. Horn You mentioned that a portion of these statistics fall 01:14:37.903 --> 01:14:39.710 - within a local 01:14:40.450 --> 01:14:50.732 - jurisdiction outside of the state's control Do we know in our MPO district how we are contributing to 01:14:50.732 --> 01:15:01.014 - that? That sub statistic of local numbers Yes, we've got that data. I don't are we helpful or hurtful 01:15:01.014 --> 01:15:04.542 - Well fatalities are extremely rare 01:15:05.282 --> 01:15:13.212 - So it's almost like a lightning bolt coming down as an act of God. That's that's good news. So however 01:15:13.212 --> 01:15:20.911 - we investigate all of those aggressively immediately to examine is there a causal factor there that 01:15:20.911 --> 01:15:28.919 - in the road performance or operation or whatever serious injuries. I believe those are down but I don't 01:15:28.919 --> 01:15:34.462 - have I mean that's something we don't have at our fingertips right now. 01:15:34.754 --> 01:15:43.826 - But but that's something that that has a body and as participants various entities can work on yes to 01:15:43.826 --> 01:15:52.809 - to help meet the goals as Suggested by the technical advisory committee Yeah, I I know the city this 01:15:52.809 --> 01:16:01.258 - county in the city Have been very aggressive whether the balance of some of the other counties 01:16:01.258 --> 01:16:04.638 - and communities in Indiana which have 01:16:05.474 --> 01:16:13.471 - what I would call fiscal challenges or professional service challenges. In other words they don't have 01:16:13.471 --> 01:16:21.468 - the engineering staff. That's a different story particularly in the rural areas urban areas. It's it's 01:16:21.468 --> 01:16:29.388 - very aggressive. That's really helpful. Thank you. I don't know if you were here a couple of meetings 01:16:29.388 --> 01:16:34.590 - ago. We provided some some crash data. I missed me. I did miss me. 01:16:35.490 --> 01:16:45.805 - It's showing up here, but it's also linked on our website. If you wanna go to the crash data page, there's 01:16:45.805 --> 01:16:55.638 - a memo where you can see, or look in the previous packet, you can see the summary of 2025 crash data, 01:16:55.638 --> 01:17:05.086 - as well as some of the past trends. Fatalities have increased. However, within our, the MPO area, 01:17:05.314 --> 01:17:25.072 - Where did it go. Okay so 10 out of the 14 total crashes in 2025 that resulted in a fatal war within 01:17:25.072 --> 01:17:32.382 - the MPOs metropolitan planning area. 01:17:38.530 --> 01:17:49.318 - 43 out of 62 of the total crashes resulting in serious injuries were within the metropolitan planning 01:17:49.318 --> 01:18:00.317 - area Thank you, I also did actually Let me just add one thing somebody did mention at that meeting they 01:18:00.317 --> 01:18:07.614 - requested that we break that down by State Road by owner of the road 01:18:07.778 --> 01:18:14.802 - in particular local versus state because that is very relevant information as well. So we hope to provide 01:18:14.802 --> 01:18:21.561 - more information in the future. But if you want to take a look at this memo it's got some interesting 01:18:21.561 --> 01:18:28.254 - things in it. Thank you. I also like I was reading through this going didn't we already do this this 01:18:28.254 --> 01:18:34.881 - year. And maybe it was this year or maybe it was last year. But I recalled that there were a couple 01:18:34.881 --> 01:18:37.598 - of meetings that we got significant data 01:18:38.050 --> 01:18:45.599 - And that was all earlier this year. Great. There was a meeting over in McCloskey that there was a lot 01:18:45.599 --> 01:18:53.221 - of data presented that around our own crashes and I'm just going to express gratitude right now to our 01:18:53.221 --> 01:19:00.844 - staff who got that together to be able to detail that. It's not just this packet there was a there was 01:19:00.844 --> 01:19:05.950 - a whole nother packet I think that had additional information in it. 01:19:07.426 --> 01:19:20.203 - But to your point, Doug, I think the more specific tracking of our crash data would be essential for 01:19:20.203 --> 01:19:32.852 - determining tip funding in the future. Yes. All right. Any other questions, comments? All right. So 01:19:32.852 --> 01:19:34.750 - at this stage, 01:19:36.002 --> 01:19:47.324 - I guess I'm looking for a motion of approval or I guess the other piece is if anybody wants to add in 01:19:47.324 --> 01:19:59.422 - any additional language similar to what the TAC added in to their recommendation for approval and what folks 01:19:59.650 --> 01:20:08.360 - thoughts are on that. I feel like I remember adding in language last time we did this, and I can't quite 01:20:08.360 --> 01:20:16.655 - remember exactly what it was. I don't know if anybody else has a better memory than I do. I do have 01:20:16.655 --> 01:20:25.365 - that. I can bring it up in a minute if you want. I think that that would be great. You have the language 01:20:25.365 --> 01:20:28.766 - that we kind of like added in last time. 01:20:35.458 --> 01:20:44.618 - Last time last year we said I moved to approve the state's targets as presented and strive locally to 01:20:44.618 --> 01:20:53.599 - exceed these targets. Over the next year I moved that the NPO pursue planning area goals related to 01:20:53.599 --> 01:21:02.580 - serious injury and fatality crashes to work toward a goal of zero serious injury and fatal crashes. 01:21:02.580 --> 01:21:04.286 - And when was that. 01:21:05.538 --> 01:21:12.468 - January of this year. Okay, I thought that it was this year. I'm like am I imagining that was like this 01:21:12.468 --> 01:21:19.264 - year's been really long Okay, and we're already doing this again. Are we just ahead this year or were 01:21:19.264 --> 01:21:25.928 - we behind last year way ahead? What we're way ahead this year. Okay, we have It's mandatory that we 01:21:25.928 --> 01:21:32.658 - we adopt these by February of every year and it depends on what the workload is and when they get us 01:21:32.658 --> 01:21:34.590 - the numbers the numbers were 01:21:35.714 --> 01:21:42.385 - what I call modified last year. They gave us the numbers in August of last year. They always give us 01:21:42.385 --> 01:21:49.056 - the numbers in August and then sometimes they modify them sometimes they don't. And we're taking the 01:21:49.056 --> 01:21:55.793 - well we're taking the guess that they're not going to modify them this year. So we're talking to them 01:21:55.793 --> 01:22:02.663 - now in August and therefore we don't have to wait until January February for adoption. OK. OK. So we're 01:22:02.663 --> 01:22:04.446 - still kind of within that. 01:22:05.026 --> 01:22:17.057 - over the next year pursuing toward area goals and it sounds like you guys are continuing to do that. 01:22:17.057 --> 01:22:30.398 - Yes. Great. Thank you. So do we have any kind of a motion around this resolution. Don't everybody talk at once. 01:22:39.842 --> 01:22:49.852 - I taught high schoolers so I can just sit here for a while. We are ahead on this right now. We could 01:22:49.852 --> 01:22:59.763 - also motion to postpone continuation of this until next month if we want to consider our options on 01:22:59.763 --> 01:23:09.278 - what kind of emotion we would like to have this year. I'd also be open to that sort of emotion. 01:23:23.234 --> 01:23:30.048 - And I just remembered that while you all are thinking about that we can go to public comment. There 01:23:30.048 --> 01:23:37.067 - is still no public commenters in the room but if we still have the member of the public online if they 01:23:37.067 --> 01:23:44.154 - would like to comment at all on resolution 20 27 0 2 regarding the Indiana Department of Transportation 01:23:44.154 --> 01:23:51.582 - safety performance targets now would be the moment that they can raise their hand. Do we have a hand raised. 01:23:55.298 --> 01:24:03.887 - hoping maybe that would give you guys more time to think about what kind of motion but We are back to 01:24:03.887 --> 01:24:12.392 - Mr. Seaborg, I'm I'm probably like everybody struggling with this a part of me feels I want to say I 01:24:12.392 --> 01:24:20.897 - don't know how much what we say if we add anything it will make a meaningful difference, so I'm just 01:24:20.897 --> 01:24:24.350 - and and I ultimately reflecting that our 01:24:24.482 --> 01:24:31.829 - CAC and TAC ultimately did recommend that we support this So I'm going to make a motion to do that I 01:24:31.829 --> 01:24:39.758 - also if somebody feels Strong opinions. Otherwise, like it could be deferred We could add an extra therefore 01:24:39.758 --> 01:24:46.814 - statement if somebody wanted to develop that for a future meeting, but just for the sake of time 01:24:47.074 --> 01:24:57.866 - And for discussion purposes I move the MPO resolution FY 20 27-02 adoption I move approval of this state 01:24:57.866 --> 01:25:08.452 - of Indiana DOT calendar year 20 27 safety performance targets Thank you, is there a second I'll second 01:25:08.452 --> 01:25:13.694 - Okay, I'll give that second to mr. Horne I guess I 01:25:13.794 --> 01:25:21.944 - So there's a motion and a second on the table to adopt as is. So this is the moment if somebody would 01:25:21.944 --> 01:25:30.174 - like to potentially add an extra clause or whatnot. This is the moment where you should speak to that. 01:25:30.174 --> 01:25:38.404 - Otherwise we'll do a vote. This might be an opportunity we could potentially even if we feel like this 01:25:38.404 --> 01:25:43.038 - would be appropriate we could just literally take the TAC 01:25:43.650 --> 01:25:52.042 - language and basically include this with our adoption if everyone feels comfortable with that I'm not 01:25:52.042 --> 01:26:00.927 - sure how it would how it would float with the state to just take the exact language because it specifically 01:26:00.927 --> 01:26:10.142 - says TAC in there and if we do want to take some language I guess like I would personally prefer given the time 01:26:10.274 --> 01:26:19.587 - To postpone this until next month and then actually come prepared with Similar language to the TAC if 01:26:19.587 --> 01:26:29.174 - that's what is desired Can there be a straw poll right now like how many people would desire that versus 01:26:29.174 --> 01:26:38.579 - just doing the straight approval because we have to do this vote I don't want to lose quorum right now 01:26:38.579 --> 01:26:40.222 - I made the motion 01:26:40.354 --> 01:26:47.286 - Would welcome tabling it or potentially even just adding this as one of the therefore statements and 01:26:47.286 --> 01:26:54.562 - replacing the term TAC with BMC MPO policy committee And including that within this I don't have a strong 01:26:54.562 --> 01:27:02.044 - enough, but I'm open to any and all of those things If that's the only thing holding us back as to language, 01:27:02.044 --> 01:27:04.446 - I think we're all in agreement the 01:27:05.122 --> 01:27:13.681 - The intent here so we can maybe wordsmith this quickly and if everyone feels comfortable with the language 01:27:13.681 --> 01:27:21.919 - we can proceed if not, I don't think we're under a time crunch. So if we did punt this the next month, 01:27:21.919 --> 01:27:30.878 - I don't think that's a concern. Okay, I just saw Katie is making some quick amendments on the fly. It now reads 01:27:31.010 --> 01:27:36.981 - Fatalities and serious injuries that result from crashes on public streets can and should be prevented 01:27:36.981 --> 01:27:43.185 - the BMC MPO policy committee believes that zero Fatalities and zero serious injuries is a more appropriate 01:27:43.185 --> 01:27:48.982 - goal or target for in dot and MPOs to pursue However, the BMC MPO policy committee understands that 01:27:48.982 --> 01:27:55.069 - in dot safety target declaration numbers are intended to convey only an incremental change towards safer 01:27:55.069 --> 01:27:58.142 - streets and not an ultimate goal furthermore the BMC 01:27:58.306 --> 01:28:06.547 - MPO Policy Committee understands that these safety performance targets primarily affect distribution 01:28:06.547 --> 01:28:15.197 - of federal funding and would not be used to justify fatal or serious injury crashes crashes as acceptable 01:28:15.197 --> 01:28:24.091 - as such the BMC MPO Policy Committee approves the in dot safety. Can we scroll up? In dot safety performance 01:28:24.091 --> 01:28:25.886 - targets calendar year 01:28:26.210 --> 01:28:33.816 - calendar year 2027 in dot safety performance targets, mr. Seabor would you receive that as a friendly 01:28:33.816 --> 01:28:41.944 - amendment to your original amendment to Approve I I do is that it would be an additional therefore statement 01:28:41.944 --> 01:28:49.624 - within the resolution Is that a good enough motion for staff? Mr. Horne, you seconded that. Yes. Okay. 01:28:49.624 --> 01:28:53.278 - Wonderful. Are there any comments around this? I 01:28:55.074 --> 01:29:06.246 - Great let's go ahead and vote then on resolution twenty twenty seven oh two as mended through the statement 01:29:06.246 --> 01:29:16.902 - that I just read which is the TAC statement slightly modified for the for our body. We please call the 01:29:16.902 --> 01:29:24.350 - vote. Seaborg. Yes. Horn. Yes. Stasberg. Yes. Bannock. Yes. Ridge. Yes. 01:29:24.930 --> 01:29:34.194 - Yes. Kennedy. Yes. Ferris. Yes. Wellings. Motion passes. Great. Thank you so much. That wraps up new 01:29:34.194 --> 01:29:43.366 - business. We are on to public comment. That member of the public is still online. Now is the moment 01:29:43.366 --> 01:29:52.446 - for you to raise your hand and have some minutes to speak on something that was not on the agenda. 01:29:54.242 --> 01:30:04.226 - Has a hand been raised. OK. Moving on then communications from committee members on non voting matters 01:30:04.226 --> 01:30:13.726 - not included on the agenda. Does anybody have anything. Seeing none upcoming meetings we have the 01:30:13.858 --> 01:30:21.097 - Technical Advisory Committee meeting on August 26th at 10 a.m We have the Citizens Advisory Committee 01:30:21.097 --> 01:30:28.194 - meeting also meeting that same day at 5 30 p.m And then our next policy committee meeting is August 01:30:28.194 --> 01:30:34.014 - 28th at 10 30 and if there are no other announcements We are adjourned. Thank you