WEBVTT 00:00:00.898 --> 00:00:09.671 - Hello everybody. Thank you for being here. This is the Metropolitan the Bloomington Metro Monroe County 00:00:09.671 --> 00:00:18.106 - Metropolitan Planning Office technical advisory committees meeting on July 22nd I guess we'll start 00:00:18.106 --> 00:00:26.879 - with a just Introductions and maybe if we can start on my left with you Neil Good morning, Nate Nichols 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.590 - City of Bloomington Public Works Department 00:00:31.618 --> 00:00:43.111 - John Baton GIS coordinator for Monroe County Kelly Whitmer Monroe County Parks and Recreation Jackie 00:00:43.111 --> 00:00:54.604 - Jelen Monroe County Planning Department Ben Ayers Monroe County Highway proxy Amy Garrett Oz area 10 00:00:54.604 --> 00:00:59.838 - rural transit In dot proxy for Rebecca Packer 00:01:03.394 --> 00:01:10.603 - GIS proxy for Megan Blair There are no committee members online although one may join later Awesome. 00:01:10.603 --> 00:01:17.740 - Thanks Katie and just a reminder for folks even though there is nobody online if you do come online 00:01:17.740 --> 00:01:25.020 - to make sure to turn your camera on if you're voting or speaking So with that, I think it's on to the 00:01:25.020 --> 00:01:30.302 - approval of the agenda for today. Can I get a motion to approve? So moved 00:01:32.098 --> 00:01:43.296 - Thank you Neil and a second. Thanks Jane. I guess we can. Can we do a voice vote. Is that OK. Yes. So 00:01:43.296 --> 00:01:54.494 - all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. Any abstentions. Thanks. Do I announce motion passed. 00:01:56.002 --> 00:02:05.804 - Okay, seems like that motion passed for the approval agenda onto the approval of the minutes from our 00:02:05.804 --> 00:02:15.510 - last meeting on May 27th Can I get a motion to approve? Thanks Neil and a second second, thanks Jane 00:02:15.510 --> 00:02:23.294 - all in favor say aye aye any opposed say nay any abstains Okay, so motion passes 00:02:23.586 --> 00:02:31.589 - On to the communications from the chair and vice chair. I don't have a ton. It's a beautiful summer. 00:02:31.589 --> 00:02:39.671 - I hope everybody's enjoying it. That's me Jane. Do you have anything to report. It does not look like 00:02:39.671 --> 00:02:47.119 - it. So staying busy and things like that. I guess we're going to move on to Pat and Katie for 00:02:47.119 --> 00:02:52.190 - some communications from from staff. OK. Just the first item is 00:02:52.834 --> 00:03:01.698 - that the state of Indiana is working on their strategic highway safety plan and they are accepting public 00:03:01.698 --> 00:03:10.646 - input on that at this moment. So if you follow the link in the agenda, you can go view it and we encourage 00:03:10.646 --> 00:03:19.678 - you to fill out the survey. It only takes about 10 to 15 minutes if you have time. Just give me one second. 00:03:26.338 --> 00:03:47.422 - The next item is that NDOT is also updating the Indiana State Rail Plan. Sorry, one second, technical problems. 00:03:59.554 --> 00:04:17.198 - The Indiana State Rail Plan guides the state's rail infrastructure investment and their policies. Okay, 00:04:17.198 --> 00:04:27.038 - sorry. And they have this website here, it's kind of like 00:04:27.170 --> 00:04:35.746 - overview of the plan, and then there's a link to the plan at the very bottom. So again, if you have 00:04:35.746 --> 00:04:44.579 - a moment and you want to look at that, the link for that is in the agenda. Finally, we wanted to share 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:54.270 - item 6.3 in the agenda. We wanted to share this federal input opportunity. The Federal Transit Administration is 00:04:54.594 --> 00:05:02.922 - seeking input from the transit industry and the public about transportation service quality across five 00:05:02.922 --> 00:05:11.250 - areas, safety, cleanliness, accessibility, service data, and system reliability. And it looks like they 00:05:11.250 --> 00:05:19.579 - are accepting comments until August 3rd. So if you are so inclined to participate in providing comments 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:23.102 - to that, the link to that is in the agenda. 00:05:24.770 --> 00:05:37.057 - Okay, item 6.4. Update to the crash dashboard for Monroe County in Bloomington. Huge thanks to Max and 00:05:37.057 --> 00:05:49.702 - to Megan for updating this. We went through all the 2025 crash data from the Department of Transportation 00:05:49.702 --> 00:05:52.446 - for the entire county. 00:05:52.898 --> 00:06:02.328 - Proof through all of that, GIS coordinated everything to make sure that everything was accurate, passed 00:06:02.328 --> 00:06:11.486 - it on to the ITS GIS team. This was posted approximately three weeks ago, I think, or something like 00:06:11.486 --> 00:06:21.278 - that. It shows all the crash records from 2020, 2022, calendar year 2022. God, first day back through 2025. 00:06:21.442 --> 00:06:29.138 - And you'll see there that Predominant crash factors failure to yield right away following too closely 00:06:29.138 --> 00:06:36.683 - unsafe backing animals and objects in the roadway one thousand two hundred and seventy six of those 00:06:36.683 --> 00:06:44.228 - And local roads we're looking at sixty two percent of the total crashes run local roads only twenty 00:06:44.228 --> 00:06:46.718 - one percent were on state routes 00:06:46.914 --> 00:06:55.087 - We encourage you to go to the crash data hub or crash dashboard for Bloomington Monroe County and check 00:06:55.087 --> 00:07:03.416 - out everything that's there. It's really a significant amount of work that's there and it's also uploaded 00:07:03.416 --> 00:07:11.275 - on to the state level from there. We have next thing we have item six point five early coordination 00:07:11.275 --> 00:07:15.518 - letter from the Indiana Department of Transportation. 00:07:16.802 --> 00:07:25.491 - This is for a small structure improvement project on State Road 45 over an unnamed tributary of Griffey 00:07:25.491 --> 00:07:33.846 - Creek, 0.38 miles east of Interstate 69. If you can find it, good. If you know exactly where it is, 00:07:33.846 --> 00:07:42.201 - good. But there's an early coordination letter that's in the packet, shows the specific location of 00:07:42.201 --> 00:07:46.462 - the project itself. It's just a little bit east of 00:07:46.754 --> 00:07:55.650 - of the interstate 69 on zero forty five forty six corridor if you have any questions please let us know 00:07:55.650 --> 00:08:04.375 - we'll be happy to answer those item six point six ourselves the city of Bloomington Monroe County and 00:08:04.375 --> 00:08:12.929 - the Indiana Department of Transportation completed a set of roadways safety audits or essays in the 00:08:12.929 --> 00:08:16.094 - planning area and this was last week 00:08:16.706 --> 00:08:25.308 - The Indiana Department of Transportation examined, first location they examined was State Road 45 in 00:08:25.308 --> 00:08:33.910 - the area from Industrial Boulevard to Curry Pike, affectionately known as Wally World. That area has 00:08:33.910 --> 00:08:42.938 - significant congestion, significant number of crashes. Many of those are what I would call fender bender, 00:08:42.938 --> 00:08:46.174 - property damage only type of crashes. 00:08:46.498 --> 00:08:54.506 - Nonetheless, they're looking at that to see if there's something they can do with the roadway, with 00:08:54.506 --> 00:09:03.235 - the signal timing, with the access to make that an improvement. They will have some sort of a recommendation 00:09:03.235 --> 00:09:11.323 - within a couple of months. Second location we looked at jointly was the intersection of St. Wood 45, 00:09:11.323 --> 00:09:14.526 - St. Wood 46 in the area of Kinzer Pike. 00:09:14.978 --> 00:09:23.844 - and Rogers Street itself. The concern there is pedestrian movement more than anything else. There's 00:09:23.844 --> 00:09:32.976 - a planned pedestrian project along the corridor on the north side of the corridor where they will have 00:09:32.976 --> 00:09:40.158 - a protected walkway. But that is another four years or five years down the road. 00:09:40.578 --> 00:09:48.697 - Predominantly we're looking at here is the congestion we've got because we've seen the area grow from 00:09:48.697 --> 00:09:56.736 - somewhere around 36,000 vehicles a day up to roughly 40 to 42,000 vehicles a day. Commercial traffic 00:09:56.736 --> 00:10:05.252 - is fairly light. It's only about 5% or so. But the issue here is the pedestrian movements, the north-south 00:10:05.252 --> 00:10:09.630 - pedestrian movements on the west side of the corridor, 00:10:09.826 --> 00:10:19.793 - which Katie has up, where pedestrians are walking to the Kroger in that area. We triggered one pedestrian 00:10:19.793 --> 00:10:29.290 - walk just to see what would happen and we had a significant backup in traffic along the Roger Street 00:10:29.290 --> 00:10:35.966 - corridor to the south. We don't know what we're gonna do on this area. 00:10:37.282 --> 00:10:44.253 - The Department of Transportation will take a look again at all of the crashes over the last five years 00:10:44.253 --> 00:10:50.615 - and then they will have a recommendation coming out from the independent roadway safety audit 00:10:50.615 --> 00:10:57.383 - team approximately two months from now. The third intersection we looked at was the intersection of 00:10:57.383 --> 00:11:01.918 - zero forty forty six and Moore's Pike. Well Katie gets down there. 00:11:05.154 --> 00:11:13.431 - Stuart 40 46 and Morris Pike. If you're familiar with that intersection we affectionately armored it 00:11:13.431 --> 00:11:22.200 - up back in 2020. We had had a number of what I would call crazy crashes there where people weren't looking 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:30.805 - or they were making right angle crashes. This one popped out of the cake somehow or another just because 00:11:30.805 --> 00:11:33.182 - the frequency is back again. 00:11:33.442 --> 00:11:40.855 - and we're not really sure why. I have a question. There used to be a blinking light there. I'm sorry? 00:11:40.855 --> 00:11:48.705 - There used to be a blinking light. Yeah, prior to 2020, it was an overhead flashing yellow. They determined 00:11:48.705 --> 00:11:55.973 - that overhead flashing yellow was inadequate. People couldn't see it. So instead, what they did was 00:11:55.973 --> 00:12:02.078 - they put up... They took it away. They took it away and they put up the stop signs. 00:12:02.722 --> 00:12:12.923 - with the flashing stop signs on the west and the east legs of that intersection. They also added a left 00:12:12.923 --> 00:12:22.731 - turn lane for what I would call a northbound to westbound left turn lane. They added that in there, 00:12:22.731 --> 00:12:32.638 - too. That reduced the number of right angle crashes. Part of the problem may be site distance issue. 00:12:32.898 --> 00:12:41.591 - On the west leg the west leg if you're eastbound You come up to state road 446 you're on a rise And 00:12:41.591 --> 00:12:50.544 - you have a stop bar there, but everybody goes past the stop bar to stick their nose out to see if they 00:12:50.544 --> 00:12:59.498 - can Get a better view The frequency is up only slightly The serious and fatalities are not there. It's 00:12:59.498 --> 00:13:01.758 - just property damage only 00:13:02.242 --> 00:13:10.625 - But this is something that they will look at in terms of what I would call fine tuning the intersection. 00:13:10.625 --> 00:13:18.849 - Again that report will be out within two months or three months at the most. OK. And then moving. I'll 00:13:18.849 --> 00:13:26.992 - be happy to answer any questions anybody may have before I move on here. Yeah. Could you elaborate at 00:13:26.992 --> 00:13:28.190 - all about like 00:13:28.994 --> 00:13:36.687 - metrics the audits looking at is it just traffic counts or is it speed is a direction that everything 00:13:36.687 --> 00:13:44.530 - The metrics are actually several dozen. Okay in list. I I don't have it It's fairly comprehensive. It's 00:13:44.530 --> 00:13:52.600 - it's extensive. It's it's an audit So they look they look at everything Assuming nothing is right assuming 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:58.558 - everything is wrong and then they go down the checklist from there to see okay 00:13:58.786 --> 00:14:06.063 - What is happening? When is it happening? They're happening, well, that was the other thing. Steering 00:14:06.063 --> 00:14:13.556 - 446 and the 4546 at Kinzer, all of those are happening in the daytime. And they're happening when light 00:14:13.556 --> 00:14:20.761 - conditions are good, when it's dry pavement. And you have to ask yourself, what's going on here? As 00:14:20.761 --> 00:14:28.542 - you can see, there's no skid marks. It's not snowing or anything like that. Some of it is driver attention. 00:14:28.642 --> 00:14:37.009 - Another part of it up on say 45 and 46 at Kinzer is speed where the vehicles are eastbound off the interstate 00:14:37.009 --> 00:14:44.691 - eastbound come up to the intersection. They're still up. The 85th percentile was somewhere around 55 00:14:44.691 --> 00:14:52.450 - miles an hour even though that posted speed in that area is 45 miles an hour. And so therefore you're 00:14:52.450 --> 00:14:57.470 - you've got a lot of rear end crashes or something of that nature. 00:14:58.114 --> 00:15:05.855 - Does that answer your question? Yeah, thanks. Okay, sure. And then moving on now, the next item on the 00:15:05.855 --> 00:15:13.595 - agenda is item 6.7, upcoming fiscal year 2028-2032 call for projects. The MPO will be doing a call for 00:15:13.595 --> 00:15:21.261 - projects in August, mid August to the end of August. We haven't got the exact, well, we have an exact 00:15:21.261 --> 00:15:27.198 - date and we just haven't announced it yet. We'll be doing a call for projects. 00:15:27.458 --> 00:15:34.530 - This will be for fiscal year all federal aid projects for fiscal year 28 through 32. This will include 00:15:34.530 --> 00:15:41.533 - the full gamut of all projects based on available funding in prior calls that we've had are available 00:15:41.533 --> 00:15:48.605 - funding annually federal funding available annually. It was somewhere around five point two five point 00:15:48.605 --> 00:15:56.158 - five million. This time it looks like our federal call will be only somewhere around four point five million. 00:15:56.290 --> 00:16:05.253 - We've lost funding and this isn't just us, it's all of the other MPOs within the state of Indiana. This 00:16:05.253 --> 00:16:14.043 - is the last year of the Federal Highway Funding Bill and Congress is negotiating, I'm using quotes on 00:16:14.043 --> 00:16:24.126 - this, negotiating a new funding bill but the likelihood of that bill passing prior to the November election is zero. 00:16:24.290 --> 00:16:31.046 - Uh, so we'll probably see a continuing resolution, which means that our funding levels will remain static, 00:16:31.046 --> 00:16:37.423 - at least into the beginning of the new calendar year. And we'll be happy to answer any questions you 00:16:37.423 --> 00:16:43.863 - may have on any of that. I'm a neuro county in the city of Bloomington are well aware of all of this. 00:16:43.863 --> 00:16:50.366 - And as, as Bloomington transit is and area seven agency on aging transit also should be aware of this. 00:16:52.482 --> 00:17:00.098 - Well, I've got, unless anybody has any other questions. Sorry, I'm out of practice with vacation here. 00:17:00.098 --> 00:17:07.493 - Okay. Six point eight. If you go to the TIP project listing that I've linked there, you can see all 00:17:07.493 --> 00:17:15.035 - the updates from the May meeting if you weren't here. There was, we had quite a few updates for a lot 00:17:15.035 --> 00:17:21.246 - of the projects, but if Neil has any more recent updates that he'd like to share or 00:17:21.442 --> 00:17:28.333 - Ben and Tim from the county, please feel free to at this time. Real quick updates on the city's federal 00:17:28.333 --> 00:17:35.157 - projects. So we have our second street project that's in construction. If you're out there, you'll see 00:17:35.157 --> 00:17:42.048 - it. Our curb ramps phase four project is bidding this fall. We did move that letting back to a December 00:17:42.048 --> 00:17:48.806 - letting. We just had a stage three submission and they were a little bit behind. So we needed to give 00:17:48.806 --> 00:17:50.462 - some more time for that. 00:17:50.562 --> 00:17:57.450 - Our curve ramps phase four or sorry, phase five project is still early in its design phase. Our high 00:17:57.450 --> 00:18:04.269 - street project is ready to go to its letting. We've just moved it to an October letting due to some 00:18:04.269 --> 00:18:11.293 - issues with updating the STIP, but very much appreciate the MPO staff's help in getting that resolved. 00:18:11.293 --> 00:18:18.590 - We are in utility relocation right now for that project and then expecting construction next year in 2027. 00:18:18.722 --> 00:18:25.733 - Crosswalks Phase 3 is still in design. Crosswalks Phase 4 still hasn't started. We're expecting consultant 00:18:25.733 --> 00:18:32.350 - selection for design for that at the end of the year. Our Dunn Street project is in its right-of-way 00:18:32.350 --> 00:18:39.165 - acquisition phase now. And our College Walnut project, we have two phases of that. They're now combined 00:18:39.165 --> 00:18:44.734 - into the same fiscal year and consultant selection for design is underway right now. 00:18:45.634 --> 00:18:53.936 - And I'd be happy to answer questions if there are any. I went through those pretty quickly. So from 00:18:53.936 --> 00:19:02.403 - the county the twenty six twenty six to twenty twenty nine bridge inspections have been completed and 00:19:02.403 --> 00:19:11.037 - are in compliance and will be uploaded into the bridge program in dot Dillman Ridge bridge eighty three 00:19:11.037 --> 00:19:13.278 - right away at acquisition. 00:19:13.378 --> 00:19:24.231 - Is starting to begin in the next month or so The consultant contract is with Aegis and it's just waiting 00:19:24.231 --> 00:19:34.877 - on the in dot LPA contract to be generated Eagleton bridge 922 Looks like counties met with IU and And 00:19:34.877 --> 00:19:42.526 - other reps and the bridge utilities will start relocating in the area and 00:19:43.074 --> 00:19:54.031 - coordinate with IU as well Fairfax Road I Believe this is for the high-friction Asphalt has been awarded 00:19:54.031 --> 00:20:04.465 - and will begin soon Rockport Road Bridge 308 is under construction At this time, there's no date on 00:20:04.465 --> 00:20:10.622 - completion, but I believe it's October That road bridge 79 00:20:11.202 --> 00:20:22.078 - has been approved and executed with Clark Dietz and we're starting the federal aid process. I know this 00:20:22.078 --> 00:20:33.059 - one's not in the MPO area but just kind of want to touch base on it is the rural road bridge 75 is right 00:20:33.059 --> 00:20:40.798 - now under construction in that area is closed. That's it. Thank you guys. 00:20:40.930 --> 00:20:51.790 - Recommend staff for this map. It's extremely helpful. So, thank you The that the that road bridge is 00:20:51.790 --> 00:21:02.757 - is in the tip we added it in May It's not on the map yet because the map just updates every month. So 00:21:02.757 --> 00:21:09.854 - it's it'll it should be up there showing soon So as you know some 00:21:10.626 --> 00:21:22.618 - Some changes to the tip, we don't require that they be reviewed and formally approved at committee meetings. 00:21:22.618 --> 00:21:34.281 - However, so there is one change to the tip that was completed since the last meeting that did not require 00:21:34.281 --> 00:21:40.222 - TAC review. So this is just an FYI to you in terms of 00:21:40.770 --> 00:21:52.594 - what was done. I really don't know why that screen is so weird today. So the city's downtown curb ramps 00:21:52.594 --> 00:22:04.760 - for project, the CE and CN phases were shifted from fiscal year 26 to 27. And the CE phase funding amounts 00:22:04.760 --> 00:22:06.238 - were updated 00:22:06.882 --> 00:22:15.664 - And the reason for this change was to just provide additional time to complete environmental and design 00:22:15.664 --> 00:22:24.614 - process. This project is not using MPO funds, but they did get special safety funds from the state during 00:22:24.614 --> 00:22:34.494 - a special call in 2024. Those are the same funds that the Monroe County won for their Fairfax high friction project. 00:22:37.410 --> 00:22:48.472 - And that is the only change that was done since the last meeting. Item 6.10 is for your review but also 00:22:48.472 --> 00:22:59.109 - just something to think about in all of your free time that you have. So this is just an attempt to 00:22:59.109 --> 00:23:05.278 - kind of share, provide you more information on this whole 00:23:06.242 --> 00:23:14.635 - review process that we have to put ourselves through. So we have first the federal law that guides us, 00:23:14.635 --> 00:23:22.783 - which is fairly general. And the federal law defines what we call amendments and modifications. And 00:23:22.783 --> 00:23:30.443 - this is the reason, you know, we bring items to you for updating the tip document and ask for 00:23:30.443 --> 00:23:35.902 - your recommendation to approve it to send to the policy committee. 00:23:38.146 --> 00:23:46.887 - The federal definitions here though are pretty vague. And so then at the state level, they are able 00:23:46.887 --> 00:23:55.802 - to specify how they will define amendments and modifications. So when those changes are sent to them, 00:23:55.802 --> 00:24:04.630 - they do their own public reviews and posting to the website according to their definitions here that 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:08.126 - you see. And then most specific of all, 00:24:08.258 --> 00:24:15.763 - is that the local community, you guys, are able to dictate the standards at which you want to review 00:24:15.763 --> 00:24:23.492 - things, and so they at the very least need to meet the state, or they should meet the state and federal 00:24:23.492 --> 00:24:30.997 - definitions, but they can get more specific beyond the state and federal definitions in terms of how 00:24:30.997 --> 00:24:35.902 - reviews are done locally, how long you want public comment to be, 00:24:36.034 --> 00:24:47.163 - what types of changes you want to review, and it can be as specific as you really want it to be. And 00:24:47.163 --> 00:24:58.622 - so our guidance, our local policy is within Bloomington, or within the MPO's public participation plan. 00:24:59.330 --> 00:25:07.611 - It's not that language is just in the plan. It's not in the tip at this time, but we'll be sure to include 00:25:07.611 --> 00:25:15.351 - it in the tip in the future just so that it's easier to find. And so at this time we have our local 00:25:15.351 --> 00:25:23.090 - policy is to have a major amendment category where all the committees review it, where there's a 30 00:25:23.090 --> 00:25:27.966 - day written comment period and where it requires a meeting and 00:25:28.130 --> 00:25:37.731 - Adoption by the policy committee and then we have definition for a minor amendment which Includes these 00:25:37.731 --> 00:25:46.963 - criteria here and Does not require the 30-day comment period does not require CAC and TAC of review 00:25:46.963 --> 00:25:57.118 - but just requires policy committee review and then we have administrative approval amendments policy which is 00:25:58.306 --> 00:26:08.432 - changes that only have to be sent by email to the policy committee for a three-day review. And if nobody 00:26:08.432 --> 00:26:18.558 - comments, then we can go ahead and send them to NDOT for their review. So that's what our current policy 00:26:18.558 --> 00:26:25.598 - is. So we will likely come back to you in the future, and we will likely 00:26:26.530 --> 00:26:36.332 - want to propose some updates to our current process. In particular, I can say right now that we would 00:26:36.332 --> 00:26:46.037 - like to reduce the time period to the public comment period to more like 10 days or two weeks at the 00:26:46.037 --> 00:26:55.166 - most instead of 30 days. And we may also propose some other changes just to bring it more into 00:26:55.842 --> 00:27:04.801 - with the current state and federal definitions of things. So that's a lot of information, but if there's 00:27:04.801 --> 00:27:13.759 - any burning thing on your mind where you're like, man, I really wish I had a chance to review that thing 00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:22.462 - before it got sent to the state, feel free to write that down and bring it up when we propose changes 00:27:22.462 --> 00:27:23.742 - in the future. 00:27:25.122 --> 00:27:33.660 - Questions yeah in terms of public comment just like a back of an envelope Calculation what's like that 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:42.779 - annually? How many public comments do you guys receive about these these processes? Well for the specifically 00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:48.830 - for like tip project updates Only what's set at the meetings? We do have 00:27:51.202 --> 00:27:58.485 - And it's a little bit buried in the packets, obviously. We do have, like on our home page, we have the 00:27:58.485 --> 00:28:05.627 - blurb here about items open for public review. But that's really, and then once in a while I post it 00:28:05.627 --> 00:28:12.839 - on Facebook or something, but we don't get any comments outside of this meeting for this. And then in 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:18.142 - the public participation plan, there is like a separate procedure for like 00:28:19.330 --> 00:28:30.817 - the big approval of the TIP every two years and then the approval of other documents and what the public 00:28:30.817 --> 00:28:41.757 - comment period is for those as well. Awesome. Thanks. Just a quick question, Katie. Is it addressed 00:28:41.757 --> 00:28:47.774 - in here when there's an exchange between LPAs or MPOs? 00:28:48.290 --> 00:28:57.193 - if that's in there or is that not part of this discussion? What kind of exchange? Just like a conversation? 00:28:57.193 --> 00:29:05.520 - Like I guess it's somewhat addressed in changing the construction year like phase timeline. So would 00:29:05.520 --> 00:29:14.505 - that be like part of that under administrative? Yeah, I mean that's something we would definitely coordinate 00:29:14.505 --> 00:29:15.742 - with the LPAs. 00:29:15.842 --> 00:29:24.903 - They will keep us apprised on the status of their project. We do the quarterly project meetings or quarterly 00:29:24.903 --> 00:29:33.382 - tracking meetings where we get updates from the LPAs and then we get updates in between that as well. 00:29:33.382 --> 00:29:41.945 - And if they cannot use, if they're assigned funds in a given year and they cannot use them, then we'll 00:29:41.945 --> 00:29:43.358 - have to reassess 00:29:43.938 --> 00:29:50.792 - You know where those funds go and then we have to work with the LPA and their end up project manager 00:29:50.792 --> 00:29:57.849 - to figure out what like a new letting date would be. Yeah. So we have we have conversations within that 00:29:57.849 --> 00:30:04.838 - basically to get to the point where we can propose this update to you in terms of what we think is the 00:30:04.838 --> 00:30:11.828 - what we in the LPA LPA think is the most reasonable solution based on all the information we have. OK. 00:30:11.828 --> 00:30:12.574 - Thank you. 00:30:21.314 --> 00:30:32.320 - is helpful. Yeah, yeah. So I guess I'll say because of this like, you know, very rigorous review at 00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:43.436 - multiple levels, this is one of many places where delays can occur. So for example, if, you know, we 00:30:43.436 --> 00:30:50.590 - may have a change to our tip that the local, locally we consider 00:30:50.786 --> 00:30:57.841 - an amendment and that requires we wait till the next meeting to take it to the committees and hope they 00:30:57.841 --> 00:31:04.761 - approve it. Once they approve it then we have to send it to INDOT for their review and then they send 00:31:04.761 --> 00:31:11.681 - it to Federal Highway for review as well. And if it's right now if it's an amendment they the Federal 00:31:11.681 --> 00:31:17.854 - Highway review is being done by one person. I don't know what their scope of review is but 00:31:18.402 --> 00:31:26.801 - As a result of their reduction in staff to do those reviews that are required. It's now taking like 00:31:26.801 --> 00:31:35.283 - three to five months To get an okay back from them and they won't release federal funding until they 00:31:35.283 --> 00:31:43.262 - have that that review done so that can that is one of many things that can potentially cause a 00:31:43.810 --> 00:31:53.591 - these delays that then force us to change our letting dates or move our construction phases for a project 00:31:53.591 --> 00:32:02.726 - from one fiscal year to the next. It's a lot of juggling that you guys do. We appreciate it. Also, 00:32:02.726 --> 00:32:12.414 - I think, you know, for the just in my learning of our role in the MPO, especially the TAC, it's like the 00:32:12.610 --> 00:32:19.974 - Projects that are selected are selected amongst the stakeholders of this group and so This is a helpful 00:32:19.974 --> 00:32:27.056 - document for us to kind of piece through to say, okay What kind of amendment is this to categorize? 00:32:27.056 --> 00:32:34.208 - But also at the end of the day if there's a comment on you know, how things are done It I would like 00:32:34.208 --> 00:32:40.510 - some clarity if there's some question by the policy committee or this committee. Is it a 00:32:40.642 --> 00:32:47.059 - an issue of the projects that are selected or is it an issue of when these things go to construction 00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:53.794 - and then the money that is left over and how that gets reallocated because obviously you guys are dealing 00:32:53.794 --> 00:33:00.147 - with a lot of timelines that are out of your control. And so at least from my perspective I want to 00:33:00.147 --> 00:33:07.390 - support staff because you guys see it from your perspective and you're getting the applications in from our team. 00:33:07.522 --> 00:33:20.069 - here and if there's a way we can streamline things to fulfill projects on time that would be a priority 00:33:20.069 --> 00:33:32.254 - I would think so Yeah, thanks It looks like we're moving on to old business which I don't see any on 00:33:32.254 --> 00:33:33.822 - the agenda I 00:33:34.370 --> 00:33:52.248 - And then on to new business, so 8.1. All right. Speaking of amendments, this is a set of changes that... 00:33:52.248 --> 00:34:03.486 - Oh, no. Oh, no. It looks like I linked. I messed up my link here. 00:34:06.402 --> 00:34:12.988 - So hopefully you all are looking at the combined PDF. Yeah, when you're looking for this, I just do 00:34:12.988 --> 00:34:19.639 - want to say, too, I did appreciate the two different packets that were available on the website, the 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:26.357 - one with all the hyperlinks and then also that combined packet was a nice addition. So thanks, Steph. 00:34:26.357 --> 00:34:33.337 - Yeah, I'm doing both for now because it seems like some folks prefer the combined one. But in the future, 00:34:33.337 --> 00:34:35.774 - that won't be considered accessible. 00:34:36.418 --> 00:34:46.427 - Unless I figure out a way to make it accessible the linked version is the accessible one And so I don't 00:34:46.427 --> 00:34:56.147 - know if I'll be able to put up both in the future just so you guys know but I guess today It's handy 00:34:56.147 --> 00:35:00.478 - because I messed up the linked one So we are 00:35:01.602 --> 00:35:08.399 - requesting your recommendation or approval to the policy committee for some changes to the tip. The 00:35:08.399 --> 00:35:15.196 - first change to the tip is the addition of a new end dot project. It's two fiscal years for traffic 00:35:15.196 --> 00:35:22.401 - signal modernization project that was already in the tip. But they are they are different project numbers 00:35:22.401 --> 00:35:28.926 - and contracts. So they though I have listed them here in the tip together with the others there 00:35:29.186 --> 00:35:38.531 - they are considered new project additions. So this is just, again, a pretty general one for this whole 00:35:38.531 --> 00:35:47.784 - Seymour district. The amount for us or the locations are not specifically identified yet. And this is 00:35:47.784 --> 00:35:56.766 - just a step where they ask us to add it in advance to help shorten review timelines in the future. 00:35:58.370 --> 00:36:06.083 - The next addition is a new INDOT project. Again, kind of a grouped one called raised pavement markings. 00:36:06.083 --> 00:36:13.797 - And so they have added in some allocated amounts for fiscal year 29 and 30 to the other years that were 00:36:13.797 --> 00:36:21.955 - already in the TIP. And again, this is various locations in Seymour District. So anyone who could potentially 00:36:21.955 --> 00:36:25.886 - be impacted by this is asked to put it in their TIP. 00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:42.720 - This third change is to update INDOT projects 230, 1124, the one that was titled HMA overlay and minor 00:36:42.720 --> 00:36:56.350 - structural. This was the one on SR4446 between SR46 and Morris Pike. As some of you may recall, we met 00:36:56.514 --> 00:37:07.688 - last April, I think, to talk to NDOT about this project because it's close to the new Monroe County 00:37:07.688 --> 00:37:19.086 - Park. So their pavement, I don't know all the details, but this is a more complicated thing on NDOT's 00:37:19.086 --> 00:37:25.790 - end in terms of their contracts. They've changed the scope. 00:37:26.146 --> 00:37:37.827 - to remove the HMA overlay portion of it, and they've shifted it just to bicycle pedestrian facilities 00:37:37.827 --> 00:37:49.393 - on SR-446. They have also shifted the right-of-way phase out to fiscal year 29, and the construction 00:37:49.393 --> 00:37:53.630 - has moved from fiscal year 30 to 32. 00:37:54.050 --> 00:38:03.897 - And if you have complaints about that, you can submit a INDOT for you ticket, but this decision would 00:38:03.897 --> 00:38:13.938 - have been made based on their own budget and prioritization process. The total project cost was updated 00:38:13.938 --> 00:38:16.062 - a little bit as well. 00:38:23.234 --> 00:38:31.784 - The fourth change is to the Monroe County Old SR 37 South and Dillman Road intersection improvement 00:38:31.784 --> 00:38:40.334 - project. After some of the funding exchanges and the shifting of College and Walnut project and the 00:38:40.334 --> 00:38:48.798 - shifting of the SR 37 and Dillman Road project to new fiscal years, which we did this past spring, 00:38:49.122 --> 00:39:02.166 - After all of that shifting around was done, we had $122,000 in fiscal year 28 that we needed to allocate. 00:39:02.166 --> 00:39:13.118 - And so, NPO staff did meet with City of Bloomington and Monroe County representatives to 00:39:13.698 --> 00:39:23.755 - discussed this because both both LPAs had projects in those years that could use the funding and the 00:39:23.755 --> 00:39:33.913 - result of that meeting was to agree to assign that hundred and twenty two thousand in funds to the SR 00:39:33.913 --> 00:39:42.078 - 37 and Dillman Road project. And so this change this update adds that funding in. 00:39:46.114 --> 00:39:55.455 - And that's it, I think. I have a question. Back to the sidewalk by Brewster's ice cream to the Monroe 00:39:55.455 --> 00:40:04.705 - County Nature Preserve. Did they say how wide that's going to be? I know we had this long discussion 00:40:04.705 --> 00:40:14.046 - and I was under the impression it was wider than a normal sidewalk, but not wide enough to be a path. 00:40:14.722 --> 00:40:22.031 - I don't think they've and well now that they've moved the construction date out I don't think that they 00:40:22.031 --> 00:40:29.059 - are necessarily at that decision point yet but yeah they know they know our feelings about having a 00:40:29.059 --> 00:40:36.088 - wider sidewalk there but or a multi-use path but I believe their explanation last year was that the 00:40:36.088 --> 00:40:43.678 - funding they were using didn't allow for anything larger than was it eight eight or six feet one of the two 00:40:44.866 --> 00:40:56.870 - Yeah. Okay. But I can check in into that again and see if there's been any changes. Excellent. 00:40:56.870 --> 00:41:09.758 - Thank you. Thanks. So I think we need to have a motion to approve the item 8.1 the BMC MPO resolution 00:41:09.758 --> 00:41:14.686 - FY 20 2701 proposed changes to the FY. 00:41:15.074 --> 00:41:27.270 - Twenty twenty six twenty thirty tip can I get a motion to approve Thanks Neil and a second Second Thanks 00:41:27.270 --> 00:41:39.235 - Jackie voice vote so all in favor would say aye aye Any opposed say nay any abstentions Motion carries 00:41:39.235 --> 00:41:41.790 - On to eight point two 00:41:43.906 --> 00:41:52.626 - Okay, the next item we have is a presentation here and a resolution adopting State of Indiana's Department 00:41:52.626 --> 00:42:01.265 - of Transportation calendar year 2027, safety performance targets. If you go to the hot link there, you'll 00:42:01.265 --> 00:42:09.008 - see that staff wrote a memo regarding this. This is an annual update by the Indiana Department 00:42:09.008 --> 00:42:13.246 - of Transportation on what are called their targets. 00:42:14.082 --> 00:42:22.149 - The targets have to do with performance in terms of what I'd call FSI fatalities and serious injury 00:42:22.149 --> 00:42:30.538 - type crashes. The numbers that are shown there are pretty straightforward. Well, I'm sorry, in the memo 00:42:30.538 --> 00:42:39.089 - that we have that goes with it, the memos are pretty straightforward, showing we're looking at the number 00:42:39.089 --> 00:42:40.702 - of fatalities rated 00:42:41.026 --> 00:42:48.685 - rate of fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled, number of serious injuries, rate of serious 00:42:48.685 --> 00:42:56.865 - injuries per 100 million vehicle miles traveled, and the number of non-motorized fatalities and non-motorized 00:42:56.865 --> 00:43:04.449 - serious injuries. Now those numbers are the fatalities are 777, this is for calendar year 27, 777 for 00:43:04.449 --> 00:43:10.398 - the entire state, fatality rate of 0.97 per 100 million vehicle miles traveled, 00:43:10.978 --> 00:43:20.340 - Serious injuries, 2,900. Rate of serious injuries per 100 million vehicle miles traveled, 3.62. And 00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:30.265 - the number of non-motorized fatalities and serious injuries is 453. Now, the Department of Transportation 00:43:30.265 --> 00:43:38.878 - has adopted, and they adopted this four years ago, a 2% straight line reduction every year. 00:43:39.202 --> 00:43:47.431 - shown in the State Highway Safety Plan, the State Highway Safety Plan. Now, if you can go to, okay. 00:43:47.431 --> 00:43:55.906 - Now, reading off the numbers, you're probably wondering, how did they come up with that? Did they pull 00:43:55.906 --> 00:44:04.629 - it out of clean air, or did they use actual data? And the answer is they used actual data. But the actual 00:44:04.629 --> 00:44:07.262 - data we've used is complicated. 00:44:07.938 --> 00:44:16.001 - First we'll go over the first chart here. This is the state of Indiana's fatal and serious injury crash 00:44:16.001 --> 00:44:23.753 - data from 2014 to 2025. You can see where the fatalities there are on the first column. And there's 00:44:23.753 --> 00:44:31.894 - a link there for the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration's research data on fatalities 00:44:31.894 --> 00:44:34.142 - and reporting of fatalities. 00:44:34.434 --> 00:44:43.282 - You can see it started at 745 in 2014 and 844. Now fatalities are definitive. So there's really 00:44:43.282 --> 00:44:52.591 - no equivocation about any of this. The volumes are based on traffic data sampling statewide. Usually 00:44:52.591 --> 00:45:03.006 - those take almost two years to process to collect because it's such a complex process. But you can see where the 00:45:03.138 --> 00:45:12.758 - Volumes in 2014 there were seven hundred ninety one point seven one Fatalities per hundred million vehicle 00:45:12.758 --> 00:45:21.839 - miles traveled and now we're up to in 2025 nine hundred ninety seven point zero two. That's alarming 00:45:21.839 --> 00:45:31.998 - Now the fatality rate if you look at that also in the next column over zero point nine four one Starting in 2014 00:45:32.194 --> 00:45:44.339 - And then going down to 0.847 in 2025, that's not alarming. That's a good sign. Uh, serious injuries 00:45:44.339 --> 00:45:56.848 - have been increasing steadily since 2014 from 3,383, 3,338 at 4,498. However, the definition of what's 00:45:56.848 --> 00:46:01.342 - called a serious injury has changed. 00:46:01.730 --> 00:46:11.294 - and it's also variable by state. Back in 2014, a serious injury was determined by the officer on the 00:46:11.294 --> 00:46:21.238 - scene filling out the report. And then up to now, the definition just recently changed is serious injury 00:46:21.238 --> 00:46:29.950 - goes into an extreme definition. I'm not gonna go into severed limbs or anything like that. 00:46:30.178 --> 00:46:39.874 - but largely it goes with if someone is transported to the hospital, that's considered a serious injury 00:46:39.874 --> 00:46:49.664 - and that's reported as such. The serious injury rate has remained all over the place from 4.215 in 2014 00:46:49.664 --> 00:46:57.854 - up to 4.511 in 2025. It's a mixed bag. I can't tell you what to say about any of that. 00:46:58.178 --> 00:47:07.257 - Now the non motorized fatalities and serious injuries. This is the total number of pedestrian and bicycle 00:47:07.257 --> 00:47:16.422 - crashes. By the way, buggies are not in this horse drawn buggies are not considered part of the statistics 00:47:16.422 --> 00:47:25.758 - in the state of Indiana at least. So this is all bike pad 461 in 2014 up to 519 in 2025. Now you look at the 00:47:25.986 --> 00:47:34.757 - The non-motorized fatalities, this is alarming. It goes from 90, hit a high of 144, but it's currently 00:47:34.757 --> 00:47:43.358 - at 126 in 2025. Non-motorized serious injuries. Again, there's the equivocation here. Serious injury 00:47:43.358 --> 00:47:48.638 - was determined by the officer at the scene up until recently. 00:47:48.834 --> 00:47:55.419 - And then the more current definition is that if someone is transported to the hospital is considered 00:47:55.419 --> 00:48:02.201 - serious injury, otherwise considered just a property damage type of crash. But that's, that's the first 00:48:02.201 --> 00:48:08.916 - set of data. That's what I would call the broad, the broad brush stroke neck. And then we'll go to the 00:48:08.916 --> 00:48:15.632 - next one here, which is the state of Indiana's five year rolling average fatalities and serious injury 00:48:15.632 --> 00:48:18.110 - crash data. Five years is considered, 00:48:18.498 --> 00:48:26.264 - the norm or I would call it standard practice nationwide in terms of data smoothing because you've got 00:48:26.264 --> 00:48:34.106 - the ups and downs of each individual year based on well based on traffic volumes and we had the anomaly 00:48:34.106 --> 00:48:41.646 - of 2020 and 2021 with COVID where the volumes were down but the fatalities were up and I'll go into 00:48:41.646 --> 00:48:47.678 - that in a minute. But anyway looking at the whoops I got a typo in there far as 00:48:47.842 --> 00:48:58.930 - that's supposed to be fatalities. 883 starting from 2014 to 2018, going up to 896 in 2021 to 2025. VMT, 00:48:58.930 --> 00:49:10.017 - million vehicle miles traveled. That's steadily increased because people are using their vehicles more. 00:49:10.017 --> 00:49:16.414 - Look at the rate of fatalities. Actually, it's actually not 00:49:16.866 --> 00:49:25.325 - I hate to say this, not bad, considering that you were at 1.03 back in 2014 and 18 and now you're up 00:49:25.325 --> 00:49:33.784 - to 1.187. Serious injuries have increased steadily again from 3,375 on the five-year rolling average 00:49:33.784 --> 00:49:42.326 - up to 4,026. Again, this goes into the definition of what's a serious injury and what's not. The rate 00:49:42.326 --> 00:49:46.430 - of serious injuries there, you can see the rate. 00:49:46.818 --> 00:49:56.122 - is what I would call fairly constant with a slight increase and a slight decrease in the last four years. 00:49:56.122 --> 00:50:04.373 - I'll go into why on that in a few minutes. The non-motorized fatalities and serious injuries, 00:50:04.373 --> 00:50:13.502 - that's still up. And every one of those is considered, it's tragic. That's the only word I want to use. 00:50:14.146 --> 00:50:21.425 - Now, I'll go to the last chart here. This is boiling down. This is where we get maple syrup from originally 00:50:21.425 --> 00:50:28.232 - the tree sap. The five-year rolling average fatalities and serious injury crash targets. This is how 00:50:28.232 --> 00:50:34.972 - the Department of Transportation, Indiana Department of Transportation determines how they're gonna 00:50:34.972 --> 00:50:41.982 - come about their target. You can see the baseline values here, which began in, oh, yeah, began in 2012. 00:50:42.306 --> 00:50:50.885 - Ending in twenty twenty one beginning twenty twenty two fatality rates fatalities eight hundred and 00:50:50.885 --> 00:50:59.464 - eighty three with a two percent annual reduction across the board from twenty twenty two three four 00:50:59.464 --> 00:51:08.042 - five six and seven. We arrive at a target of seven hundred and seventy seven in twenty twenty seven 00:51:08.042 --> 00:51:09.758 - rate of fatalities. 00:51:10.242 --> 00:51:19.605 - You can see the rate of fatalities has been dropping. And I'll explain why here in a minute. The number 00:51:19.605 --> 00:51:28.969 - of serious injuries has actually been all over the board and somewhat slightly increasing. But in 2026, 00:51:28.969 --> 00:51:37.342 - over the five-year rolling average, it's down. And then the rate of serious injuries, again, 00:51:37.602 --> 00:51:46.041 - This is a variable due to the definition of what's a serious injury. And then the non-motivized fatalities 00:51:46.041 --> 00:51:54.006 - and serious injuries, we're seeing a drop here from, yeah, a drop from 2022 all the way down to 2026 00:51:54.006 --> 00:52:02.208 - and in 2027. Now you're saying to yourself, how did they get the drop? Well, the answer is they've been 00:52:02.208 --> 00:52:04.574 - the Office of Traffic Safety, 00:52:04.962 --> 00:52:13.139 - both in the districts each one of the individual districts and also in the central office have been 00:52:13.139 --> 00:52:21.806 - very aggressive about investigating intersection crashes and non intersection crashes. Predominant number 00:52:21.806 --> 00:52:30.391 - of fatalities are actually on local roads. They're not on state routes and a predominant number of those 00:52:30.391 --> 00:52:33.662 - fatalities on local roads are at night. 00:52:33.794 --> 00:52:42.304 - and they often involve speed, high speed or excess speed above the design standards. So the Department 00:52:42.304 --> 00:52:50.732 - of Transportation Office of Traffic Safety has gone through in a very aggressive manner, re-examining 00:52:50.732 --> 00:52:59.407 - all locations, hotspots and other locations in a, what I would call visionary look at it, lowering speed 00:52:59.407 --> 00:53:01.886 - limits, adding bicycle lanes, 00:53:02.178 --> 00:53:10.472 - narrowing travel lanes, slowing the traffic down because speed is the number one predictor for the fatalities 00:53:10.472 --> 00:53:18.087 - and for serious injuries. They've been extremely aggressive and the results have shown here when you 00:53:18.087 --> 00:53:25.778 - look at the rate of fatalities going down and also if you look at the number of fatalities going down 00:53:25.778 --> 00:53:30.302 - and are we, and have we, then there's the other question of 00:53:30.626 --> 00:53:37.804 - have we hit the targets for the five year period? And the answer is the jury's still out. We're required, 00:53:37.804 --> 00:53:44.576 - the state of Indiana is required to hit three out of the five years. And if you don't hit three out 00:53:44.576 --> 00:53:51.890 - of the five years, then the punishment will come in and funds will be shifted to highway safety improvement 00:53:51.890 --> 00:53:58.526 - program funding. So far we've hit two out of four. And then the fifth year is this calendar year, 00:53:58.914 --> 00:54:07.118 - 2027 coming up here, which will tell us whether we've hit the target, I'm sorry, 2026, which will tell 00:54:07.118 --> 00:54:15.401 - us whether we've hit the targets or not. Thus far as of the end of June, fatality rates are down across 00:54:15.401 --> 00:54:23.366 - the entire state, down substantially, and I credit that to the Department of Transportation and the 00:54:23.366 --> 00:54:28.862 - efforts they've done. On the converse side, serious injuries are up, 00:54:29.474 --> 00:54:38.614 - statewide Part of that is a reflection of added travel part of it is a reflection of we don't know And 00:54:38.614 --> 00:54:47.665 - we're still trying to figure that out. Anyway, that's a long long long story to get to the target the 00:54:47.665 --> 00:54:56.894 - county year 2027 targets and then in your packet, there's a resolution that we've got proposed here for 00:54:57.474 --> 00:55:05.468 - endorsing the Department of Transportation's calendar year 2027 targets questions anybody please a lot 00:55:05.468 --> 00:55:13.461 - of statistics and data but I wanted to show we've had this question over several years how do they get 00:55:13.461 --> 00:55:21.299 - there well this is how they got there yeah I'll just say thanks for that for you elaborating on that 00:55:21.299 --> 00:55:23.550 - to make it a little bit more 00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:30.599 - I know in the past what we've done as a committee has been to Basically have an amendment that would 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:37.962 - say that the Bloomington Metropolitan Planning Office would prefer these numbers to be zero for fatalities 00:55:37.962 --> 00:55:44.911 - So I would I guess for this I'm not sure if we would do an amendment again or a motion to amend that 00:55:44.911 --> 00:55:50.622 - I'll let you talk Pat. Yeah, you can yeah, please feel free to do that because the 00:55:50.786 --> 00:56:00.530 - the safe streets and roads for all plan action plan adopted by city of Bloomington December of twenty 00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:10.274 - twenty four. Yeah. Had a vision zero goal of twenty thirty nine. Now the Department of Transportation 00:56:10.274 --> 00:56:17.630 - does not have a formal vision zero goal. They have the goal is zero which is 00:56:18.242 --> 00:56:25.481 - to several states, I think there are 25, 26 states hedge and they use that language instead so that 00:56:25.481 --> 00:56:32.720 - way they won't inflame certain elected officials. I won't go any further than that. So yeah, please 00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:40.104 - feel free to add whatever language you wish to add to that and we'll be more than happy to share that 00:56:40.104 --> 00:56:42.782 - with the policy committee on Friday. 00:57:01.890 --> 00:57:10.058 - So if everybody here is okay with that, does anybody have questions about what we're getting at here? 00:57:10.058 --> 00:57:18.546 - Yeah, I would agree with using the same language. Part of it's just an issue of like we're saying there's 00:57:18.546 --> 00:57:26.634 - a target of 700 fatalities and what I think they mean is a maximum of 700. And like even that is not 00:57:26.634 --> 00:57:31.358 - clearly what, you know, it's not well stated. But so yeah, 00:57:31.490 --> 00:57:40.240 - just for using the same language. I actually had a question in the data, and I think I maybe heard it 00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:48.990 - backwards, but just so I know, not in the target data, but in the actual crash data, you were showing 00:57:48.990 --> 00:57:57.912 - like 2014 to 2025 or something, in the fatalities and the fatality rates over that time, has the number 00:57:57.912 --> 00:58:01.086 - and rate, that has increased, right? 00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:14.107 - The rate, the rate in 2014 was 0.9 for one. The rate in 2025 was 0.8 for seven. Okay. Can you show the 00:58:14.107 --> 00:58:25.888 - one that had the like five year rolling average? Uh, yeah. Whoops. Here we go. So yeah, yeah. Now the 00:58:25.888 --> 00:58:30.046 - five year average, you're seeing a, 00:58:31.298 --> 00:58:38.717 - I would call it a marginal increase zero point three one two and twenty fourteen to eighteen. But then 00:58:38.717 --> 00:58:46.352 - you had a drop in twenty twenty twenty four twenty four and my guess is that's probably because of covid. 00:58:46.352 --> 00:58:53.627 - Fewer people were traveling but more people actually died during the twenty twenty twenty twenty one 00:58:53.627 --> 00:59:01.118 - period because they were driving faster on less congested roadways. That's what we were told. But yeah. 00:59:01.314 --> 00:59:09.064 - 2021 2025 one point one eight seven Okay, so like a fifteen percent increase actually. Yeah. Okay. Thank 00:59:09.064 --> 00:59:16.813 - you Yeah, yeah now I would have graphed all of this but going then you would have ended up with a couple 00:59:16.813 --> 00:59:24.710 - of dozen graphs No, that that's fine. I was just trying to wrap my head around. Yeah. No Does that answer? 00:59:24.710 --> 00:59:26.334 - Everything yeah, okay 00:59:29.954 --> 00:59:39.722 - I think what I'd like to put forth as a amendment to to this item is to Reuse the language we've used 00:59:39.722 --> 00:59:49.395 - in the past years Stating that the technical advisory committee would like to have that goal at zero 00:59:49.395 --> 00:59:58.110 - or that target at zero versus 777 And then with that to approve the to approve the item so 00:59:58.690 --> 01:00:06.415 - If we can package those together I'm guessing that's okay, or should these two be two separate votes 01:00:06.415 --> 01:00:14.140 - Packaged together is fun. Okay, so if I could get a motion to approve that Just a Friendly amendment 01:00:14.140 --> 01:00:21.942 - or advice. I know that we had talked about not necessarily approving it, but we are simply Forwarding 01:00:21.942 --> 01:00:27.678 - it to the policy committee it's not that we agree with the Information but 01:00:28.002 --> 01:00:38.478 - Know that it has to be forwarded to the policy committee For actual approval Yeah, thanks Jane. Yeah, 01:00:38.478 --> 01:00:49.261 - so using Jane's words there if we could get a motion to forward this to the policy committee Last year's 01:00:49.261 --> 01:00:54.910 - comments from the TAC Please take your time to read it 01:01:21.986 --> 01:01:49.630 - And we also have to recognize that I mean 01:01:49.826 --> 01:02:01.115 - Perhaps part of the reason that even though the state, you know, does advocate for zero deaths, we have 01:02:01.115 --> 01:02:12.296 - to set a target that we can actually have a chance at meeting due to policy and funding and everything 01:02:12.296 --> 01:02:19.678 - like that, so. Great, yeah, thanks for showing us this language and 01:02:20.226 --> 01:02:32.499 - Everything So I guess can I get a a motion to approve Thanks Jane and a second second, thank you Neil 01:02:32.499 --> 01:02:44.893 - and then we'll do a voice vote all in favor say aye aye Any opposed nay any abstentions motion carries 01:02:44.893 --> 01:02:48.382 - Okay, now this is a time for 01:02:48.514 --> 01:02:56.885 - Public comment. So if there's anybody here, there's there's nobody in the room except for the wonderful 01:02:56.885 --> 01:03:05.096 - people of the tack If there's anybody online who would like to make a comment now, it's your time. So 01:03:05.096 --> 01:03:13.306 - I guess you could raise your hand I'm not seeing anyone on Nobody else, okay so then this is time for 01:03:13.306 --> 01:03:16.606 - communications from committee members on 01:03:16.866 --> 01:03:24.544 - Non-voting items or things that are not on the agenda fun stuff they've been working on I would actually 01:03:24.544 --> 01:03:32.148 - like to just share something if I could Family and Social Services and the Bureau for better aging have 01:03:32.148 --> 01:03:39.461 - notified state legislature of their intent to redesign the public service areas of area agencies on 01:03:39.461 --> 01:03:46.334 - aging in Indiana thus reducing the number and increasing the size of the public service areas 01:03:46.882 --> 01:03:54.235 - We are concerned about the impact this will have on community members particularly the elderly 01:03:54.235 --> 01:04:02.285 - and individuals living with disability. Public hearings will be scheduled for spring of 2027. If anyone 01:04:02.285 --> 01:04:10.258 - would like to learn more about this please contact our agency and we can share information. Thank you. 01:04:10.258 --> 01:04:11.806 - Awesome. Thank you. 01:04:16.802 --> 01:04:24.373 - Okay or topic suggestions for future agendas It looks like our next upcoming meetings we have the citizens 01:04:24.373 --> 01:04:31.732 - advisory committee today as well at 530 That's a hybrid meeting followed by the policy committee, which 01:04:31.732 --> 01:04:38.807 - would be on Friday Is that the 24th is at 10 30 a.m? And then the next technical advisory committee 01:04:38.807 --> 01:04:45.246 - is going to be in August on August 26th at 10 a.m With that another successful TAC meeting 01:04:45.410 --> 01:04:52.267 - Hope everybody here enjoys the rest of their July Stay cool schools about to start Stay safe and we'll 01:04:52.267 --> 01:04:57.726 - see you guys in August. So with that adjournment. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you