- I am Mayor Kerry, for those of you who I haven't met, and I am joined by Planning Director David Hiddle
- and Council Member Sydney Zulek. I know you all have comfortable seats, and you came early just so you
- could sit in the back. But I think because of the snow and the bitter cold outside, we probably are
- going to be a small group. So if you would like to come closer, you're invited to do so.
- TV here, and am I right that you're pulling sound from the speakers? Okay. So let me just give you a
- rundown of how we usually do this. Some of you have been to town halls before, and some of you,
- I don't think, have been to town halls before, so that makes my day.
- We each will give you sort of a high level update of what we're working on, what we're seeing, what
- we're hearing in the city based on the seats that we hold. And then we do a question and answer. And
- I'm going to say in advance that we're going to target getting out of here by about 645 because we understand
- that the weather is going to hit about 7. So we'll do a safety first.
- and especially because there aren't too, too many people here to ask questions tonight. We'll target
- 645. I am happy to stay and talk to folks afterwards if you have lingering questions or ideas.
- I want to start by thanking Director Schlegel from the Monroe County History Center here for hosting
- us tonight. This is the first town hall we've done here. Really appreciate it. And so we're happy to
- be downtown and in Councilmember Zulek's district. And before I hand things over to Councilmember Zulek,
- I'll just note that
- If you go out the door and turn left, there are restrooms down that way and a drinking fountain just
- beyond that. So for your human needs, that's how you get to serve them. We have a small group here tonight.
- So if you want to submit your questions more anonymously on note cards, we're happy to take the note
- cards from you.
- If you would like to ask a question, we'll take questions after we're done with sort of high level updates.
- And we're just gonna ask you to use the microphone, even though everyone in here can hear you, the people
- at home listening can't hear you unless you come through the speaker. So we're gonna, you'll have a
- long walk if you stay in the back, but we're gonna have you use the mic and I'm gonna turn things over
- to Council Member Zulek.
- Thank you, Mayor Thompson. Everyone, Councilmember Sydney Zulek, I represent District 6, which for those
- of you who don't know, starts at Walnut, goes all the way through campus from east to west, and then
- north to south. It is 3rd to 17th Street. So I represent a lot of the downtown and almost all of campus,
- which means that the makeup of my district is quite a lot of renters, mostly the younger demographic.
- There is a small group of homeowners in the northwest portion of District 6, and then I do also represent
- present quite a few small businesses that are trying to make it downtown. And so a lot of the work that
- I do is related to economic development in the downtown area. If you've seen any of the beautiful new
- traffic boxes downtown, that was a project that I worked on with Talisha Coppock, the executive director
- for the convention center. And a lot of the other issues that we're all working on is affordable housing.
- 40,000 students.
- plus in Bloomington, and I represent a large portion of them. Don't want to say majority, because I'm
- not sure how it all shakes out. But yeah, the primary things that I work on are economic development
- and affordable housing, and I am happy to answer any questions when we get to that section. Awesome.
- David, do you want to go next? Sure. Looks like you do. Yeah.
- Hi, I'm David Hiddle. I'm the director of the Department of Planning and Transportation. I've been here
- for a little over a year and a half now. I held the same job in Lafayette prior to coming here. A few
- of the things that we're working on, kind of some highlights. So some neighborhood or some initiatives
- that I think are really interesting, kind of unusual and one-off activities are the Hope Well Planned
- Unit development, which you may have heard of.
- Hopewell, of course, is the former hospital site on the near southwest side, which is slated to become
- a new neighborhood. Right now, what we're calling Hopewell South is the three southernmost blocks. And
- we've enlisted an architecture and planning firm to help us realize a sort of a development that much
- more closely matches what people are looking for in terms of housing. One of the really interesting facts
- about Bloomington, and it actually stands nationally, is that it's either two-thirds or three-quarters.
- But a vast majority of homes are occupied by either one or two people. A vast majority of houses that
- are built in Bloomington, as is the case elsewhere, are more along the lines of the three-bedroom,
- two-bathroom variety. So there's a lot of instances where you have a lot of house and not many people
- living in them. So there's a real sort of a
- break between reality and what's desired or what's needed by people. So in Hopewell, we're going to
- be concentrating on much smaller houses, on much smaller lots built to accommodate today's family unit,
- if you will. So you're not buying the extra two or three bedrooms. You're not buying the large yard
- that most of the rest of the housing stock kind of forces you into if you want to be a homeowner. And
- the idea is that this will serve as a pilot and hopefully
- inspire other redevelopment opportunities around the city. So that's one of the big things we're working
- on. It's just about to, it has its first design or development review committee meeting tomorrow, which
- is kind of its first big public examination by the city. And then after that, it'll go to the
- plan commission, eventually to the city council, where you'll be hearing quite a bit about it then.
- But it's really
- interesting and quite a bit different than anything else that exists in Bloomington, and we're hoping
- it will sort of lead the way for a new way to look at how to develop efficiently a beautiful brand of
- housing. So that's one of the things that we're working on. I think probably some of your questions
- will lead to some of the other things we're working on. Awesome. So I'm Mayor Kerry and I am so excited
- about Hope Well.
- David gave you a great overview. I think one of the most exciting things about Hopewell is that we really
- believe, we really are targeting trying to get these homes to be attainable for our young professionals,
- which we're trying to keep in town. And that is, both Council Member Zulek and I have focused on economic
- development.
- that we really have a missing segment of our population. And those are the young professionals who they'll
- stay maybe for a couple years after they
- get out of IU, but then if we haven't kept them then, we can only hope to get them as bloomerangs usually
- after they've raised a family. And so what we really want is to keep them and to make sure that there
- is opportunity and potential here for them not only to be housed, there's a place that they can afford
- to live and a place, hopefully, that is a neighborhood that really calls them into belonging and it's
- a cool place to be right on
- the beeline and walking distance to all of the downtown things and an asset like a grocery store right
- across the trail, but also just really cultivate a culture of belonging there. And so Hopewall is not
- exclusively for young professionals. We just want to make sure it's attainable for them. And on the
- other side of that, we're working on jobs and how to grow our economic picture
- so that our wages also grow in Bloomington. Because, of course, there are two sides of affordability.
- One is how much your housing costs, right? And the other is how much do you make in order to be able
- to afford that? And so we're really working on both ends of that. And a lot of my focus as mayor is
- on those two areas, on housing and on economic development.
- And my commitment is really looking at housing and at economic development in a way that really fits
- for Bloomington, in a way that really leverages the assets we have here, of course, at the Research
- One University, but we also have a lot of biofarm here. We have an incredible music scene here,
- an art scene, and many other assets. And so I work really closely with what's happening at the Trades
- District in generating some
- startups here and growing smaller companies into mid-sized companies and also hopefully attracting some
- mid-sized companies to relocate here in Bloomington. And then on the housing side, we have both Hopewell,
- which is just extraordinarily exciting. The numbers in terms of affordability at Hopewell, and this
- is without government subsidy.
- The numbers are staggering. We believe that we will be able to provide a good percentage of the homes
- at home ownership to folks who make 80% or below of the area median income. And that's just straight up no
- no government subsidy. And so that's really an impressive feat. It has been my goal to be able to do
- this. And as I've been in housing a long time, as I have looked at housing and what happens when we
- put a lot of regulations and even more dreams, we stack like, we want this and this and this and this.
- Those houses get more and more unaffordable.
- And so the goal here is to build a beautiful neighborhood where people want to live, where there's something
- for everyone, and that we keep it attainable, that people can actually afford to live there. And so
- much thanks to David's leadership and Anna Killian Hansen, who's the director of HAND, Hopewell is really
- getting there. We also have...
- Of course, the homelessness challenges at hand these days, that has long been the story. I'm working
- very closely with heading home, but also with our Bloomington team. We have nearly every department
- that is touched by homelessness in some way. And I continue to work towards a plan where we can say
- to everybody who's in our community, we have a place for you to sleep inside tonight.
- And that's where we need to get. When you think of people sleeping outside tonight, you know that even if
- We do keep people alive. They can't possibly be living a thriving life if they're spending so much of
- their energy just trying to live. So we just published a 30-page, it's a whopper, but there is a little
- summary, 30-page housing and homelessness report. There's a lot to digest there. We are very happy to
- answer questions about that or connect the dots.
- There's so much data that we tried to compress into a document that the public could understand, but
- we're really happy to answer any questions about that report as time progresses and you take that for
- multiple nights of bedtime reading to digest the whole thing.
- I think we're ready to answer questions or hear what you would like to hear more about. You don't have
- to frame it as a question. If you're interested in something that's happening in the city, just let
- us know and one or all of us will talk about it for you. Yes, can you come up to the mic so people in
- the polka dots, do you have a question? Yeah.
- So if you're willing to state your name, come on up to the mic, because otherwise people watching at
- home can't hear. Great. So I was just wondering if we could talk about the Bloomington Convention Center.
- I got here a few minutes late, so you may have already touched on it, but I would love to hear what
- everybody has to say about the various aspects of it. Do you have a particular curiosity, or do you
- want general comments on the convention center?
- Yes. Both. In particular, I'm thinking time frame. And what is the community doing to sort of celebrate
- the opening? And then just sort of general update, yeah. Great. Do you want to go first? Do you want
- me to go first? OK. Thank you. So the time frame question is, I believe we should have
- doors open in June of 2027. So at that point there will be a 60,000 square foot expansion across the
- street where the former early voting site used to be and then a 40,000
- square foot which is where the current convention center currently sits and that will the remaining
- money will go towards repairs that are needed in that building and as far as celebration I will let
- Mayor Thompson speak to that but I hear that it can light up different colors and I am really hoping
- they'll do it pink. I think the official celebrations probably haven't been planned yet we did a we
- did a groundbreaking
- Several months ago, and as you all can see, walking by or driving by, we've got verticality now. It's
- coming out of the ground. So we all do our private celebrations about that. But I think we're targeting
- that 2027 date. And I am sure we will get the party planned well ahead of that time.
- I'll just share, you wanted sort of general comments. I'm really excited about the Convention Center
- because we have been turning down a lot of convention business and many of the organizations here in
- town have actually outgrown the Convention Center for their own events. And so it's something that we
- both need here in town for our own organizations, nonprofits and businesses alike that are holding meetings
- or fundraisers. But we also are really losing some tourist income. And we're the number two choice in
- the state of Indiana for conventions. So people come into Indianapolis, it's, you know, they have a
- huge convention center. You want something very different from that experience than you would Bloomington.
- But Bloomington has
- so many reasons to come visit. And that's really attractive for conventions. And so we think of ourselves
- as many different things. But I think sometimes those of us who live here forget that we are a favorite
- place to visit for many people in Indiana. And people love to have a reason to come here and spend several
- days. So we want to capture their imaginations and invite them to hang out here.
- my department's involvement was just to review it architecturally and I think it's a stunning building
- so it's going to be a great addition to the downtown area and just generally speaking you know interesting
- things don't happen on parking lots they do happen in beautiful buildings and we're trading one for
- the other so it's just in that very base level I think it's a good thing for the city.
- Thank you. A couple more things that I just forgot to mention. I believe it's on Visit Bloomington's
- YouTube page. There is a series called The Hard Hat Videos in which
- I believe they're just five minute little short updates on Convention Center progress in terms of the
- actual construction of the Convention Center. For the entire history, there is a lovely website that
- has been produced by the Capital Improvements Board, who is in charge of the new construction. It's munrocib.com.
- On that website, you should be able to find the full history of
- the convention center, how it came to be, all the different boards that have been created to create
- this new convention center.
- Where's my pen? Thank you. There is also a 1% that is dedicated to the public arts that comes from the
- fund for the convention center. It's about $500,000. And what that means is I think a lot of people
- think that it's for art inside the convention center. The requirement for public art is that it actually
- has to have some way that anyone can interact with it, not just people who are going inside of the convention
- center. So I believe there are.
- in the process of going through the applications for artists who may be the one to bring this beautiful
- building to life. Next question. Yes, come on up. Hello. My name.
- Can everybody hear me? My name is Liz Peck and I have lived in Bloomington for 25 years. I believe there's
- also another group of people in Bloomington that are struggling for housing and that is the group of
- retirees that will never be able to afford
- to live at Meadowwood and really won't qualify for public housing. So what they're doing mostly now
- is living in apartments that nobody can afford here. And it's really taking a toll, even for people
- that have had houses and have sold them. And that money can dwindle really quickly.
- when you're paying a couple thousand dollars a month for rent. So hope well, my hope for hope well that
- it will be an intentional community, which it is, that will have people at all income levels, people
- at all ages and professions. My ideal is to have one community after the other like that.
- in a city where you can get everything you need within a walking distance of maybe a mile and have your
- people that you're close with in the community. So I hope that happens at Hopewell and possibly other
- places. But I'd also like to know, are there any plans, I know you're doing very ambitious things, but
- are there any plans for nice,
- livable, affordable housing for seniors? So I guess that's my question. So I'll take it first. And I
- just want to clarify. From what you said, I think you're not asking for assisted living kind of affordable
- housing. You are talking about independent living. Yeah.
- There will be no discrimination at Hopewell for who can buy those and on the rental units who can rent
- them. And really, I mean, I think that we have a great mix there. There are some multi-unit buildings
- that probably will be condos, not $2 million condos, more like $150,
- That's a ballpark. It depends on, you know, the trim and things like that. The anticipated construction
- cost on the smallest owner-occupied home, which is a very modest-sized house, the anticipated construction
- cost, last I heard, and David can correct me, is $125,000.
- And that's a studio. It's a 600 square foot studio, but you could buy it. And so this would be a good
- option. It's all on one floor. It's a good option for a senior, but it's also a great option for a younger
- person who wants to enter the ownership market, but can't possibly afford to save for a down payment
- for a $250,000 house, right?
- And so as David said earlier, what we know about who actually lives in houses is that most of them are
- one and two person households. But we really don't have anything on the market that is speaking to that
- size household. And while many people love to have a guest room or something like that,
- Most people really, ultimately, want to live close to work. And they want to live close to the resources.
- And so building a more modest-sized home that people can actually get into and stay in is more of our
- goal. So that's been the target at Hopewell. I think we probably will attract a lot of seniors there.
- I hope we also attract a lot of young professionals.
- and that it's a place that everybody in between gets to live to. That is the definition, really, of
- a healthy community, is when we can co-locate and have people that don't look exactly like us, that
- don't make the exact same income, don't have the exact same interests. We need many gifts at the table.
- And every neighborhood needs many different kinds of people. And I think, you know,
- It's early days, but that's what we're targeting at Hopewell. You know, the other end of the spectrum
- is like a 2,800 square foot house, something like that. Yeah, something like that, and that'll be something
- more like $600,000, right? So you can take any end of the spectrum, but it's gonna be this cool, walkable
- neighborhood, and hopefully we're gonna attract a real diversity of folks.
- Big part of realizing the ability to age in place, I think, is filling out the roster of diverse housing.
- Right now, we have a lot of houses of medium to large size, and we have a lot of big student apartment
- buildings. We don't have a lot of things that would cater to the senior community. And I think Hopewell
- is going to stand as a very conspicuous
- again, pilot project, but I think it's really going to be extremely popular, and we're going to see
- types of housing that hadn't really been built in Bloomington since almost 100 years ago. We're going
- to make it easier to build smaller houses on smaller lots. Seniors don't necessarily need a lot of house.
- They definitely don't need a lot of yard. Traditionally, zoning ordinances require minimum square footage
- for homes and then a minimum size for a yard, depending on your zoning district.
- But it's just really a lot of superfluous area that's just not efficiently used so we can make better
- efficient use of the land in the city, it's infill, infill development. Just, you know, every little
- thing we can do to maximize efficiency, make ADUs, accessory dwelling units, more easy to build, either
- as standalone structures or attached to existing dwellings.
- Yeah, there's a lot. You know, Bloomington doesn't have a lot of room to build more and more subdivisions.
- You know, we've been doing that now for 60 years, and we've kind of filled it all, with the exception
- of Hopewell and Summit and a couple other places. But there is a lot of opportunity to just find small pieces
- you know, the side yards, large yards that the owner is interested in subdividing, make it easier to
- build, to develop new, or to create new buildable area. And then to, you know, using, obviously you're
- in the city, so the pipes are there, the services are there, the streets are there, you're not building
- any new infrastructure. So it's really an economical way to try to expand your housing roster. But we
- are seeing, I mean, for seniors for sure, smaller is better, but smaller is not
- what always gets built. We want to make that as easy as possible. I just need to give a shout out to
- Director Hiddle because he has been leading us into a process where we are going to be considering some
- amendments to our zoning ordinance. He has led some very effective sessions in neighborhoods and co-led
- sessions with council members.
- on what do we want? What kind of housing do we need? And this is a shout out for everybody in the room,
- but also anybody listening at home. If you have thoughts on how we can do housing better, especially
- if you're advocating for more modest-sized lots, more modest-sized places that you can own or rent in
- an affordable way,
- Even after Hopewell passes through the ordinance process, we'll still be talking about zoning. And it's
- really important that we have your voices at the table. Because we need all kinds of voices at the table.
- And frequently what happens is only the people who are really upset about something come.
- And so we're working really hard to co-create the best solutions we can for residential zoning in our
- community. And David takes his work really seriously of listening and really discerning what sounds
- like options that people
- need and will fit well with the bulk of the fabric in our community. So, you know, I know meetings can
- be long. Your letters are appreciated. Your voices at the table are really appreciated. And especially
- anyone who may be listening that already has the housing that they love.
- it's important to come and say, you know, this is what fits me and I hope we have more of that. So this
- is just a general shout out to stay involved. You came to a town hall, we're really grateful to have
- you here and we need voices advocating for all kinds of different housing.
- Thank you. I think they really got it covered on the policy side. But I do just want to speak to what
- Liz said about having a neighborhood that is full of people of different socioeconomic backgrounds,
- but also ages. I'm 23. I am a young professional. And I love living in Bloomington. But one of the reasons
- I love living in Bloomington is because of all of the intergenerational connections that I've been able
- to form. And I really think that that was one of the main things that made me sit back and say,
- you know what, Bloomington is.
- home and it wasn't because I had a bunch of friends also in a transient portion of our lives where it
- does feel very out of stasis and so to have formed all of these intergenerational connections
- with Millennials and Gen X and Boomers and the Silent Generation like that has really been what formed
- my roots here and so I think that the more that we can bring young professionals with
- other generations in the same neighborhoods, the better we can really build that community that we're
- looking to build. So thank you for bringing that up. Who else wants to turn at the mic? Steve,
- come on up. Okay, my question is, you said something, somebody said something earlier about
- and Hopewell. So I'm wondering how that's going to work. If I was going to buy a house in Hopewell,
- would I be buying it from the city? Would I be buying it from the contractor that builds it? Or would
- I be buying it from some development company that will work with contractors? Does that make sense?
- Because I haven't heard anything about that. You haven't heard anything about it because we haven't
- worked out those details yet.
- But the concept at Hopewell is that we will be training a group of builders to build in this way with
- these set plans. So we will be approving a set of plans that go with Hopewell. And so the way construction
- usually works is the builder builds the house and you buy it from them. Sometimes that's like a spec
- house, sometimes
- You buy the lot and engage a builder. You take out a construction loan. So I think there's a lot of
- possibilities. I think we still have to work on what's going to work best so that we can market the
- lots and get them to the people that need them. We're also going to have a financing training for people
- who are bankers and how to
- how these loans might need to work and any creativity to make sure we make them as accessible as possible
- to folks. So we'll take input about what works best if you're interested. Yeah, you can come on up.
- Nobody else is rushing for the microphone. Well, it's just that it's the same topic. Whoops. So I just
- wanted to know, I've been a long time patient at CenterStone.
- and nobody there seems to kind of have any idea of what all of Hopewell is gonna mean on Centerstone.
- Are they gonna stay there? Are they relocating? So yeah, I don't know if you all have any input on that
- or any thoughts on that. Yes. My understanding is that I won't speak for Centerstone, but that's
- Centerstone's lot. So my understanding is that that's their lot and that they are staying, but they
- haven't told us anything else.
- And so we anticipate that that service will remain where it is. Yeah Daniel So on that and it might
- have been related to the other questions the details may not be worked out But what I've seen a lot
- and heard from people is developers out of town out of state will buy up some cheap housing and
- and either turn it over into rentals, or they'll tear down sections and rebuild on it. Obviously, Hopewell's
- gonna be super nosed, that won't happen. But is there gonna be any guidelines, or I don't know if it's
- even legally possible, and I get that, but I'm just curious what would keep someone from coming in and
- buying a bunch of only $125,000. Some of those developers can buy dozens of those at a time, and they
- can buy much larger, a lot of other houses in downtown. So I was just curious,
- and I don't know if that's even been discussed or developed yet, so. Yeah, so we're working on some
- different tools to make sure, you know, the intent of Hopewell is not that we have folks buying houses
- to come in for a few football weekends or to invest and make money off of them. The intent of Hopewell
- is to provide housing for people who work here.
- or have lived here long-term. I'm not discriminating against folks that are happily retired. But we
- want the long-time residents to have a place that they can attainably have for a long time and that
- lives like a neighborhood, an active neighborhood that has neighbors that actually live there. So we're
- working on a few different tools to make sure that that happens.
- Nothing's ever foolproof, I'm sure, but we definitely have our eyes on that, and this is not a development
- that we want to be investment property. Hi, everyone. I'm Tim Dwyer. On the topic of housing, I love
- these big, grand, ambitious plans. Hope all's super cool. So excited to see what comes of it.
- But what is the city doing to promote infill development, especially on parking lots or under-utilized
- lots throughout the city? Because you walk by, there's a lot of lots that are vacant or could be something
- else. And that maybe seems like a place where zoning might be a factor. But has the city thought about
- engaging property owners in intentional redevelopment of our existing spaces? You can go first. I'll go first.
- Great question. Sort of on a macro scale, there are seas of parking that are never used in some of our
- big box areas. And it's probably a longer term deal, but I think that those really represent great potential
- as far as new housing development. And it's infill, again, same pipes, same roads. You're not creating
- new infrastructure for that. That's happening in other places.
- even not too far away, and I think it can be replicated here on a more finer-grained scale. We want
- to be able to allow people, again, to be able to accomplish lot splits, hopefully, perhaps administratively,
- without having to go through long processes and turn large lots that perhaps have one house on it into
- a series of smaller lots that might have several houses on them.
- I think that as far as targeting properties that are underutilized, I don't know that we have initiatives
- in place for that. I do know that the city has looked at sort of examining its roster of real estate
- holdings and considering what could be put to use for housing. It's not something we've done yet, but
- it's definitely something on the horizon.
- But yeah, you know, a big focus is that opportunity for finer-grained, wiser use of land. So you're
- barking up the right tree. So two things. You know, I used to be part of my job to scout out these lots
- that we might put a house on for habitat. And so, I can tell you they're few and far between that are...
- are underutilized and somebody's open to talking about it. I've really spent a good deal of my life
- knocking on doors and going down to the courthouse and figuring out who really owns this and calling
- folks out of town saying, this abandoned property could be cleaned up and we'll buy it. So I know that
- work has been being done.
- There are various reasons people may not want something on their lot. But that doesn't mean somebody
- couldn't take it up as a project again or still. And I don't know, for instance, if Habitat has a recent
- inventory of all the infill lots that might be available. But on that note, I think one of the things
- I'm really excited about, about the whole process with Hopewell,
- is that once we get these plans approved, our intent is to fast-track them for approval throughout the
- city. There are houses that have been designed with Bloomington's sort of architecture in mind. There
- will be some very modest size as well as other. And, you know, we are aware that the faster you can
- get through the permitting process, frequently, the more affordable your house
- can be. It's not a direct correlation, but a long planning process does usually add expense. So we're
- hopeful that we're helping with these plans for Hopewell. And these lot split possibilities, I think,
- will really benefit folks. One of the things I want to make sure people understand is that what we're
- hearing from folks is that
- People have considered building ADUs so that they can rent an ADU to another household. And because
- they're all on the same lot, you have to remortgage your whole house unless you have cash to pay for
- it. But if you could get a lot split for that ADU, then you could get a mortgage just for that ADU.
- And so folks who may be aging in place and want a little extra income, or they have a child in town
- who's not a child anymore, and they want to live in an ADU on that property, or we want to have a young
- professional, those aren't being built for a number of reasons. But one of them is because the financing
- is really tricky. And if you don't have a standalone lot, you can't get a standalone mortgage.
- Okay, well, I promised to try to get us out of here by 645, and I did get a little buzz on my phone
- that we have a weather travel advisory coming in. I just want to note that we do these traveling town
- halls every other month, and so this is December, so our next one should be in February, I believe.
- They rotate into the different districts. You don't have to live in the district to come to that town
- hall. We welcome everyone.
- I also have traveling office hours in the months that I don't have a town hall and so you're welcome
- to come if you have a topic that you don't want to talk about in a public meeting and you need a full
- focus of the Mayor one-on-one. You can sign up for those traveling office hours ahead of time so you
- don't just stand in line hoping you get a turn. You have an actual appointment time. And I know our
- Planning Department and Councilmember Zulek are always open to connections. So thank you all for braving
- the snow tonight and for asking great questions. It's been really great to be with you all and hear
- what you're interested in.
- Have a great and safe night.