OK. Good evening everyone. Let me call to order this special hearing of the city of Bloomington Plan Commission for October 28th 2026. Let's start just with a roll call for attendance. Burrell here. Bishop here. Seabourn. Co Brodke here. Holmes here. Here Smith here Stossberg Whistler here Morris here no Kinsey All right Looks like we do have a quorum. So with that we'll continue the meeting and I'm gonna turn it over to our director link going Tell us why we're here Lynn I'll sort of turn this way because it's as much for our audience today as it is for us. So purpose of this meeting this is a special hearing that the plan commission the city of Bloomington is holding pursuant to House Bill 1001 that was passed last year by the Indiana legislature. The Indiana legislature did a lot of work on what they thought they could do to improve the availability and affordability of housing. And they adopted several statutes. There's a great deal of data collection that we're going to do that will get submitted to the state. Every community is doing this, not just us. So all the units of government are doing the same thing that we're doing here tonight. And one of the requirements of the statute was is that we hold a hearing and get input from the community on our unified development ordinance. specifically related to housing. So Eric, could you pop up that first slide? Just a second here. Yeah. Next. There you go. Nope, back one. There you go. So what this is, you don't have to read this. This is the actual text of the statute, and it talks about what we would like to do here today. And there's a bunch of things we wanna get input on. It doesn't have to be specifically to each one of these, but it's general input, but this is what the state is sort of looking for us to consider. And so we wanna hear from you tonight. This is your meeting, this is why we're holding this, is for you to tell us any thoughts you may have about the unified development ordinance of housing, attainability, affordability, and so forth. It's a very high priority for the mayor. So this affords us with a great opportunity to do this. And that's what we're about. So the next thing I'd like to do is I will turn it over to Eric Grulick, our management of development services, who will explain what we have done so far. And it may, maybe this will trigger something that You'll think of and you can have a comment based on on what you hear. But we have already done quite a few things to move housing forward. So with that Mr. President I will turn it over to Eric Grulick and he will give you this quick report. Thank you. services manager. So as our director explained, you know, we are required to have this hearing to go through certain aspects of HB. that were directed toward all communities within Indiana to look at their unified development ordinance for certain areas of improvement to promote housing within the community. We had already started to initiate a lot of these aspects, and some of these were already things that were allowed by our zoning code. So by the time the legislation ended up being passed and enacted, we were well on our way towards bringing forward legislation that was looking to amend some of the sections of our zoning code that were addressed with House Bill 10 0 1. So one of the things that the House Bill directed us to do or communities specifically was to look for areas to allow additional housing. in a variety of different housing types within the community. And so there is language in there, as I mentioned, that was already enabled within the zoning code, for instance, allowing buildings and mixed use districts to have multifamily dwellings within there. So our unified development ordinance already allowed for that. There was language that directed us, directed communities to allow for accessory dwelling units in all zoning districts where residential units are allowed. Again, our UDO already allowed for that. provide a path for duplexes, triplexes, and fourplexes in residential zoning districts. And so our unified development ordinance allowed for that as well. And then there was also language regarding certain other aspects regarding floor area ratio, minimum garage sizes, and roof pitches. A lot of those were things that the unified development ordinance did not restrict. So we were already kind of ahead of the curve on that. We have two packages of amendments that were in the works or were coming forward around the time that this was coming in. Some of those have already been passed. So the count of the Plain Commission heard. amendments to the zoning code related to the council resolution which directed us to look at several things setbacks minimum lot size minimum lot area subdivision standards parking minimums. Those were all things that were addressed in the council resolution. There were also components of HB 10 0 1 and I'll briefly kind of step through some of those in a minute. And then there were other aspects that were part of the U.D.O. amendments related to housing and sustainability that the Plain Commission just heard on October 12th that is making its way to city council that attended to lead to be heard on November 4th. And that was related to some of the standards regarding duplexes accessory dwelling units and then also cottage homes. So real briefly, I'll just kind of step through some of the things that were specifically mentioned in HB1001, how those might already be allowed by the Unified Development Ordinance, and then how some of the changes that we were bringing forward addressed some of those. So the first statement was provide for a higher density development of duplexes, triplexes, and fourplexes. So density we don't really regulate within the UDO as we had historically done in terms of units per acre. Instead of the number of units or the houses that you can get on a lot is controlled by setbacks, impervious surface coverage, and just the raw amount of lots that are available to be developed. So we addressed a lot of those standards that were limiting how much could be done on a property by Removing or reducing a lot of the side yard setback standards increasing the impervious surface coverage and then adjusting the Minimal lot area and minimum lot with standards to allow for new lots to be created that would allow for new housing to be constructed on those lots. So some of those standards with the setbacks and previous surface coverage was addressed with the council resolution. The language specifically regarding duplexes triplexes and fourplexes was just most recently heard at the October meeting where the staff is proposing to remove the 150 foot buffer and the maximum maximum number of duplexes that are allowed within a calendar year. So that will be heard by the council soon. So that is how we address that particular aspect. Again as I mentioned with the minimum lot sizes and minimum lot width we propose several reductions within the code and the City Council amended those a little bit as well to allow for new lofts to be created that were substantially smaller than what they had historically been to mimic a lot of the historic development patterns that we had seen within the neighborhoods within Bloomington. So we were we were addressing that criteria with those two series of amendments. Um, the next regarding, uh, attached dwelling units, uh, accessory dwelling units. Again, this has been in the zoning code, uh, the unified development ordinance for a long time. Um, so we were already ahead of the curve with that. Uh, some of the language within HB 10 01 addressed, uh, the definition and size, um, that went along with accessory dwelling units. Um, so in the housing attainability amendment package that the planning commission just heard, um, we were proposing to amend our definition. of accessory dwelling units to reflect that new language within the HP-1001 regarding the maximum size. So we were already kind of working with that language. As I mentioned, the third, one of the other things was the adaptive reuse of commercial buildings to allow for multifamily units within those. Again, our zoning code already allowed for that. We did make some changes several years ago that removed the requirement or the restriction on ground floor dwelling units. So within all of our multifamily and commercial districts now you can have ground floor dwelling units and dwelling units throughout the building. So this allows for reuse of buildings commercial buildings that had been historically used for commercial uses to allow for those to be converted. to multifamily uses. One of the other restrictions regarded floor area ratio. A lot of communities in Indiana have this restriction and it deals with massing of a building on a property relative to the size of that property. We did previously regulate floor area ratio but that was removed in 2007 so we no longer regulate that component so there was nothing to be done on that. The fifth regulation or the fifth section of HB 1001 dealt with several different things, seven different aspects, garage size and placement. We don't have a minimum size for garages, so there was nothing to be done on that. The UDO does somewhat regulate placement in terms of the location of detached garages relative to the house, but we did not see that as really something that had prevented housing. But really, I think going back to just a requirement that there is no minimum and you don't have to have a garage that in and of itself doesn't really restrict a development on a property because you're not required to have a garage or any parking. As I mentioned steeper roof pitch there's nothing in the UDO that requires steep roof pitches so there was really nothing to address with that. As I mentioned with the minimum lot size and square footage aspect of HB 1001 that was addressed with the council resolution. So we already amended the language for that as well as for the greater setbacks that we substantially reduce those. Off-street parking again that was addressed with the council resolution where all minimum parking requirements were removed within the city as a whole So that was addressed Design standards that restrict or prohibit the use of code compliant products a lot of this this particular one deals with You know, I think a lot of interior Aspects of a house The UDO does have language regarding exterior finishing materials, and while there is a list of specific things, there is flexibility within the UDO that allows for us to consider other comparable materials if they replicate the design and appearance of approved materials, so we already had an allowance within that. And then property height limitations was the seventh component of this section five. And as I kind of mentioned you know we haven't really encountered especially within the single family districts the current height limitations that are in place. You know they allow for you know oftentimes up to a three story building. Very rarely do we see those kind of coming into play. So you haven't really encountered any challenges with the height restrictions that are in the unified development ordinance currently. So kind of finishing out the last list here, the HB 1001 directed municipalities to review impact fee zones. We don't have impact fees or impact fee zones. So there was nothing to do there. The next aspect regarded review processes for permits. So there was a House bill that was passed later last year regarding class two permits that gave specific timelines for review of class two permits. So there is already a mandate for those. But then again as well we had already started an internal review of our permitting and review processes. So we're looking we had already started to review what we could do internally to expedite permits and site plan reviews. as well as there are already provisions in the UDO currently that allow for a lot of things to be done at staff level. When we did the updates to the UDO in 2019, we altered the things that had to go to the planning commission. So certainly as the planning commission has seen, you don't see a lot of site plan approvals because a lot of that was delegated to staff. So we've already made amendments within the U.D.O. to give staff the ability to review that at staff level without having to make people go through a formal playing commission review process. And then the last two aspects of the House bill related to property tax abatements to enable higher density. That's not something that the playing commission or the U.D.O. regulates. So that's something that really that the council would be involved with. And then the last aspect. dealt with donating land, vacant land for affordable housing development. Again, that's not really something that falls under the Planning Commission or the UDO purview. So that's not something that we can really address with this. You know, a lot of the language within the HB 1001 was aimed at communities as a whole and trying to identify ways to increase housing within the community. So some of the things were things that could be addressed with a unified development ordinance. Some of the other things depending on how the community is arranged, you know, is really best addressed for more of the legislative branch for tax abatements or the administrative branch for, you know, donating land. So with that, just to kind of summarize, a lot of the language within HB 1001 was already well underway. I would say almost 70 percent of it has already been achieved, either through the resolution amendments or things within the unified development ordinance that were already enabled. So the last aspect regarding duplexes and cottage homes and the ADU definition will be heard by council next week and we'll hopefully be moving through that process very expeditiously. And so that kind of concludes my presentation. I'll turn it back over to our director. Thank you Eric. A lot of technical stuff. I hope you understand what we've been working on this for quite a while. We're moving it forward. But now to the point of this hearing which is where we want to hear from the public your thoughts on the U.D.O. and going forward. So I'll turn it back to you. Sure. Thank you. There really is no commission action tonight. We're not going to have any discussion amongst the commission. We're just going to go straight to public comment. Just as a reminder our rules on public comment anyone wants to speak and have up to three minutes to speak if you want to if you're here in the council chambers and you like to speak just make your way up to the podium I would appreciate if you state your name for the record before you give your comment if you're joining us online and you like to comment you just click on that react button and there's a raise hand option or you can send a chat message to the meeting host and we will recognize you when it is your turn to speak. We'll try to alternate back and forth between comments in the room and online comments if we have enough folks who are waiting online. But if you would like to make comment, just step on up to the podium and we'll get started. Good evening, I'm Kari Bennett. I am operations director with Habitat for Humanity of Monroe County. I did submit comments to the planning department, which they acknowledged and will be in the record. Those were fairly specific. And so I wanted to take just a little bit of time this afternoon to maybe raise the discussion up a little bit and share our perspectives on housing in Bloomington and Monroe County. There are many factors that contribute to high home costs. That's for both new homes and existing homes. The cost of land, the cost of infrastructure, cost of materials, the cost of labor, all of those have gone up significantly in the past five years. Local planning jurisdictions like this one really have no control over those and those factors, and we recognize that. What you do control is zoning and land use. We very much appreciate the recent work that has been done to reduce minimum lot sizes and wits setbacks other changes that Mr. Grulick walked through in his report this evening. And we urge you keep going work with the local community members and housing providers and see what else is possible in our minds. The goal is there are more homes of all types being built in our community being remodeled in our community being rehabbed. And a key in particular for low and middle incomes is more homes per square foot or more homes per acre that allows us to spread those fixed costs like land and infrastructure over more households. So I'll just leave that with you as as food for thought and appreciate the opportunity to make comments this evening. Thank you. Good evening. I am Kristen Weida. I am the CEO of Indiana Uplands Realtor Association. I am here representing the realtors of your community and your constituents who own and rent homes here. I'm going to speak a little bit on the commercial portion of the UDO this evening vacant commercial properties can have negative impact on a community. Empty buildings and storefronts discourage investments They reduce economic activity and they make an area appear less vibrant than it truly is In many cases property owners and business owners are ready to reinvest but current regulations can make it difficult expensive and time-consuming to bring vacant properties back to productive use By reducing unnecessary barriers we encourage redevelopment attract new business and turn vacant buildings into assets that benefit the entire community. These changes recognize that our goal should not be to preserving vacancy but encouraging investment and revitalization. A more flexible and predictable regulatory framework makes it easier for property owners to adapt existing buildings to meet today's needs while still protecting the character and quality of our community. Every time a vacant building vacant building becomes occupied we gain more than just a tenant. We gain jobs tax revenue customers for neighboring businesses and renowned confidence in that future of that area. One example of a change with our current regulation is parking requirements for vacant commercial properties. When a new business moves into existing building it frequently is required to remove parking spaces. even if those spaces are needed for customers and employees. This can lead to more parking on nearby streets and unnecessary removal of pavement, which is then put into a landfill. Instead of removing needed parking, we should focus on solutions that provide greater environmental benefit. For example, businesses could be required to remove invasive species on their property and replace them with native plants to help manage stormwater, Or do a carbon offset such as providing tree plantings and current community green spaces So these improvements can benefit the environment while we are still helping vacant properties attract new investment and productive uses Good planning balances sustainability with practicality by providing flexibility and encouraging creative solutions We can reduce vacancies support local investment and achieve our environmental goals without creating unnecessary obstacles for redevelopment I encourage the plan commission to support these changes and help create a regulatory environment that welcomes investment promotes revitalization and strengthens our communities for years to come. Thank you. We do have at least two people online with their hands raised. OK let's go ahead and we'll go to those two online commenters and then we'll come back to more comment here in the chambers. Deborah Meyerson, you should be able to speak. I'm Deborah Meyerson. I'm a resident of Bloomington. I also work as an urban planning consultant and my work is focused on housing policy that takes me looking at communities around the country. And so I'm really excited to see what the state has proposed for communities statewide and how Bloomington is aligning and exceeding some of those expectations. I particularly want to focus on that zoning, yes, is important, but it's the review process that can be very impactful. And I know that Mr. Grulick talked about that in his overview. But that's something that the zoning determines what's allowed. The review process determines what actually gets built. So a duplex that's hermited on paper but takes many months of review with an uncertain result can be out of reach for a local, small-scale builders that we want to attract. So every month of delay adds to the interest, the holding cost, the risk, and renters and buyers end up paying for that, or the project might just never happen. And so just some examples of what can help includes, you may know of how South Bend has developed a pre-approved catalog of homes. Certainly what Bloomington has started with with ADUs, Their plans include homes, small multiplexes, and so that expedites the review process to go to site review as opposed to a very long and lengthy review process that can precede that in many cases. And that catalog has produced more than 90 homes since 2022, many by first-time local developers. So the steps, again, it sounds like some of them are already underway, but include approving, Code compliant projects administratively, if the project meets the code that's being improved, staff against staff approval, just approve it without discretionary hearings. Run reviews in parallel as opposed to sequentially so that planning, engineering, utilities can review ideally at the same time so that applicants can receive one consolidated set of comments as a way to again help expedite the review process. Setting and publishing firm review deadlines. Builders can then plan around a known timeline, but they can't plan around uncertainty. And then finally, returning to the idea of a pre-approved plan catalog for small neighborhood scale housing types. All of those will be a huge asset and again, I feel like the state element as well as the local efforts are working to advance that. appreciate those efforts, and look forward to their success. Thank you. Thank you. Christopher, you should be able to speak. Yeah, good evening, plant commission. This is Christopher Emdry from the Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce. First, I'll endorse the comments of Ms. Minner from the Habitat and Ms. White has commentary on commercial property. I'll be sticking with just residential tonight. Last week, the Chamber spoke at the County Planning Commission about the needs to remove barriers to housing and economic growth, and there was quite a few barriers. Tonight, I want to recognize the progress Bloomington is already making. The city's moving in the right direction, moving towards shedding that hard to do business stigma that has stuck with us for quite some time. Mr. Grulick kind of spelled out progress we've been making. And I want to consider a couple of those things. So real meaningful UDO reforms that have eliminated some parking minimums and reduced some lot size and setbacks and create some more flexibility within housing development and continue to move movement on Hopewell and Summit District, which are two significant opportunities to expand the supply of housing. And the independent permitting audit that identified longstanding problems with delays inconsistent reviews and departmental coordination that we hear from our members all of the time. More importantly, the city is here to address those findings. I want to kudos to the mayor's office and the leadership of Lynn Coyne whose experience and understanding of development has been completely valuable in the department as director. And none of this means the work's finished. We still need predictable approvals and infrastructure planning and regulation to make housing easier to build, we've heard. Ms. Meyers handle on some of those. But I also want to recognize this commission. I watched the plant plant commission for quite a few years and I got to believe Bloomington is one of the finest plant commissions in Indiana. We take our responsibilities seriously. There's difficult questions asked. We challenge assumptions. Examine the facts. Not afraid to ask hard questions on longstanding practices. We don't always agree. There's good planning requires thoughtful debate and we have it. So that careful consideration deserves recognition. The state mandate gives us another opportunity to examine the work and it still needs improvement. Bloomington doesn't have to start from scratch, thankfully. And the chamber is encouraged to sit by the city to build on that momentum, turn these reforms into measurable results. Thank you for your service and thoughtful work. Appreciate it. Thank you. I will come back to the chambers here for any additional public comment in person. Again, just make your way up to the podium, state your name for the record, and you'll have three minutes to make comments. My name is Jan Sorby. I'm a resident of the city and I've been very active for probably about 30 years in Development I worked very hard on the South Dunn Street project to get that through and So anyway, I want to make a few points House bill 1001 only requires that the city Review and report back to them. It does not require any other changes at this point nothing I'd like to see the Plan Commission in the city also examine neighborhood protective covenants that restrict Rather than focus. It's primary Primarily on older neighborhoods where those restrictions do not exist And I'm talking about the neighborhoods that were built after 1948 There's an inventory Do you have an inventory does the city even have an inventory of all those neighborhoods and their covenants and which have expired because there's a real opportunity There as well around neighborhood activity centers. There's a real opportunity for increasing density, especially around neighborhood activity centers and Is there an inventory of neighborhoods with covenants that don't allow splitting lots? There are some areas in Bloomington in the city that have over an acre for one lot. And there's incredible opportunity to increase our density and our homes in those areas. If there's no such inventory has a planned commission considered how these private restrictions affect the distribution of new housing opportunities across Bloomington. If restrictive covenants prevent additional housing in some neighborhoods, does the burden of accommodating all the new housing that the city requires fall disproportionately on Bloomington's older, less restrictive neighborhoods? These are really serious questions that we have to look at. Even the APA American Planners Association says we cannot build our way out of this building crisis. We do need more density. We need it across the city. I look particularly around areas that have jobs like around the new hospital area around the mall. There's other neighborhood community centers across the city. But I really think that these are very serious questions and I will say Athens Georgia over 20 years ago got pre-designed houses to fit in each of their neighborhoods. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. John's already with CDF friendly Bloomington. We are a. regional nonprofit community development organization who's tasked with helping, being one of the folks in the conversation about bringing people together on housing and small business development, childcare, finance. And here tonight to talk a little bit about housing and really for the public record, since this is a sort of a state mandated action, I think it's important Consider not just Bloomington but the entire state and housing affordability and attainability across the state of Indiana and the age of our housing stock and how we're getting more people in those houses either through rent or ownership and so one of those things to keep in mind and I'll ask the commissioners to keep in mind and those members of the public as we move through this process are how we finance that and how we Create and preserve those tools whether they're in the UDO or in other mechanisms to make sure we're helping people achieve homeownership or affordable and safe rental housing here in Bloomington and across the state and so One of the ways you know when I was thinking about comments and I was thinking about the Hopewell conversations with the planned unit development for the 98 homes that are going to be built at Hopewell South and so talking about Increased density and how we look at those tools and encouraging people to be flexible for how We are incentivizing those homes to be built whether that's through Different tools for affordability, but also how we like I said get those homes financed there are CDF eyes are mission-based lenders who work across the country and distressed by Census tracts or to help those who are low to moderate income usually 80% AMI and below there are lots of loan products out there for the development of housing and also encourage people to look at our banking partners who do mortgages that are designed to help those those populations of people and Certainly a lot of Hoosiers and people here at Bloomington can can use those products in half In addition to that Bloomington is very special in its ability to have programming locally through its HUD dollars through the housing development fund which is a huge incentive for development of housing as all of you know and so just encourage everyone who's listening and moving forward to think about how we finance the great ideas that are being proposed and being put into the UDO for that increased density and how we actually get it done. So the CDFI community, again, those mission-based nonprofit lenders, many of whom work in affordable housing, are glad to be part of the conversation and at the table. So thanks for your time tonight. My name is and cryo camp and I am a resident of Greenacres which is currently being eviscerated. I want to pull the microphone down just a little bit so we can hear you a little better. My name is and cryo camp. I'm a resident of Greenacres which is currently being eviscerated. I've lived here twenty three years the longest I've ever lived anywhere. I was shocked that I really love it so much. I'm a westerner and an Easterner but not a midwesterner. Now I am very much so. Bloomington is my absolutely favorite place and I developed a little Greenacres community inside Greenacres of three homes. that we grow food together and we share meals once every two weeks together, not just the ones that are there, but the people from the neighborhood and our friends. The point is we are trying to build relationships with each other on every level. And so when I see what's happening on Jefferson Street, what is it, eight buildings on one block and 10 people in each one, I think, oh my God, are they there for, for each other, or are they just there to make money for the developers? It feels like an either or. What are the value systems that we live by? My value systems do not have money as the scream over nature. Nature is the most important thing. We are all part of nature. And I think that's all I have to say. Thank you. Go to an online comment. Jenny Southern, you should be able to speak now. Yes, I would like the plan commission and the city council and city administration in general to think about as we increase density downtown. I'm not sure. why we're removing single-family homes to do that. There's only so much of that we have. It's like you have so much room on the beach or on a mountainside or something like that. And once you use it up, it's gone. So I'm really concerned about this really push for the duplexes and triplexes replacing older homes. We were told that the more density we got, that prices would go down. And we said, and you know, and the density's gone up and lots and lots of apartment buildings have been built, so many. I don't know how many new apartments we've added to the Bloomington City lit-ups, but it's gotta be in the thousands in the last five years where we've been told this increased density is necessary. So what I see happening, maybe you see something different, is the new apartments are built, but they sometimes are built by removing the older housing. I understand that. But those older apartments that were taken away were the affordable housing in Bloomington, where they were $400 or $500 per bedroom. Now they're $1,000, $1,200 per bedroom, and more. This removes a lot of housing for families. There's no family that can afford that So now if it's halfway affordable a small home, it's immediately looked at by investors Oh, can I tear this one down make a duplex or triplex makes perfect? Realtor sense perfect investment sense, but those used to be the homes that families are could buy into and improve. I mean, if they need a bigger house later, they could sell it and they could buy another house. Those are not, that's not happening anymore. Unless it's like a private sale that nobody knows about. So I would like to see like a survey or something. We're both told that we have all this empty housing. And so we need to like tear down the old stuff. It's empty or something. And we'll also say, oh, we need more housing. And it can't be both and make sense to your average citizen. It just sounds wrong. And we really need to be explained how that could possibly be and why we should support further inroads into the stock, the little bit of stock we have of downtown. It's the pushing the historic districts. They're lovely things, but most people would rather do what they want with their own homes But they're really gained popularity because people feel like they have no choice that if they don't do it that Investors will look at their little lots and go ten seconds. We could fit triplex there Understand I have only a certain amount of time but this is really confusing I will say for the average homeowner citizen that is your time that lives in Bloomington. Thank you. Thank you Okay, we'll come back to the council chambers now for anyone else who wants to make public comment just step up to the podium Sue McCracken, I'm a homeowner in Bryan Park. I'm also a survivor of building a duplex off of my single-family home. As of Monday, it took me seven months to get permission to get my sewer and water installed. It has been an incredibly lengthy, difficult process. If I wasn't partly retired, I might have given up. And so I think that it's so heavily weighted right now to investors who have time, money, staff to make those things happen. And it is really difficult for somebody like me who I think is doing what the city intended and wanted. We're adding a small home in the back that's attached to the front. We're going to be renting on the front. We're going to live on the property. Um, and, but it was an incredibly difficult process. And I would really like to see that part of it made easier for homeowners so that you get what you really wanted for your neighborhoods. That's all I've got to say right. Thank you. Any additional public comment. I live in Greenacres also, and I kind of agree with Anne Kralkamp, who just spoke a few minutes ago, and the lady, I guess, Mrs. Sorby. I've lived in Greenacres for 50 years, and I'm dismayed by how things are going downhill from my point of view. Instead of modest homes and families and people running all over the place, we now have rentals everywhere. We also have replacement dormitories since IU tore some of theirs down. And it just doesn't make sense to me that these modest homes on modest lots represent affordable housing. And what we're doing is tear them down and build something huge that no single family can afford. I just don't find that favorable and hope you could not make it happen so much. Thank you. Do I need to leave a phone number? Thank you. Any additional public comment. Uh, hello, my name is Emerson Arante and I am a recent, uh, entrepreneur in Bloomington. I am starting a brick and mortar business on sixth street. Um, we are renovating a building that had been, uh, close to the public for several years and, uh, at the risk of sounding vain. Um, I think it's going to be very helpful to the community. I want to talk about the cost of site compliance. Um, by my calculation, I'm going to be spending about $20,000. for minor site compliance for this building. And that is about 5% of my total building costs. I think I share or mirror a lot of the sentiments here that my interaction with the UDO, it is clearly biased towards people who have more money than I do. And I think of the Charlie Munger quote who worked with Warren Buffett where he said, if you show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome. And the incentive of this UDO is not for small business owners. So I want to just talk about a few things that are concrete. I am spending about $7,000, six to $7,000 on a bike rack. Now, bit of background, I am a former professional cyclist. I race professionally in Europe. I've been all around the world. I am very sympathetic to cycling infrastructure, but I can hold two thoughts in my head. One, cycling infrastructure is important, and two, the way this city does it is bad. So it is required that I have three bike racks outside my business. However, if you go to most European cities, there's a concentrated bike parking area where people then park and walk to wherever they need to go. Two blocks from me is the intersection of six street and the beeline. I went there today and I measured you could put about 15 bike racks there, probably with ample space for more. that would reduce the cost of site compliance for five to six businesses. It would cost the city $3,000. Whereas if you had all these businesses do it, you are north of $20,000 just for bike racks, right? And as a small business owner, you know, it's scary. I have an, I have an SBA loan has to be personally guaranteed. This money means something to me. Hi. And, Hello, thank you You know any any amount, you know if it costs the city six hundred dollars to take seven thousand dollars off my plate I mean that again that's meaningful and you know, it's as a small business owner It's really the small cuts that really hurt like the expression the straw that broke the camel's back like this is just one of those straws that would be so easy for the city to fix and help bring down what is again a prohibitive cost for overall site compliance. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any additional public comment here in the chambers. We have any additional online commenters. Eric if there is anybody else online that would like to speak please use the raise hand function so we can recognize you. I'm not seeing anybody else. All right. Last call for public comment. All right. Seeing none. That's really all we were here for. Thank you all for coming out. Thank you for giving us your input. This is very very helpful as we go through the process of planning for the future. We appreciate your your being here and hope you have a great night. We're adjourned.