WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.200 - Well, then, I call this meeting to order of the Monroe County Public Safety Local Income 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:07.100 - Tax Council. 00:00:07.100 --> 00:00:17.180 - First time the agenda is roll call introductions if someone wants to do the roll call. 00:00:17.180 --> 00:00:18.180 - Typically be me. 00:00:18.180 --> 00:00:19.180 - Okay. 00:00:19.180 --> 00:00:20.640 - Well, I'm Scott Oldham with Elstville Town Council. 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:21.640 - Go this way. 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:22.640 - Isabel Fiedemont-Smith, Bloomington City Council. 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.640 - We'll go this way. 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:24.640 - Kate Wilts, Monroe County Council. 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:25.640 - Courtney Daly, Bloomington City Council. 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:30.680 - Andy Ruff, Bloomington City Council. 00:00:30.680 --> 00:00:35.760 - We'll move online to Councilor Henry. 00:00:35.760 --> 00:00:39.840 - David Henry, Monroe County Council. 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:45.160 - And Council Member Alvarez. 00:00:45.160 --> 00:00:46.160 - Okay. 00:00:46.160 --> 00:00:48.680 - I believe that's everyone, correct? 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:49.680 - All right. 00:00:49.680 --> 00:00:54.280 - Now we're going to move to election of officers for this year, election of the chair, actually. 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:55.280 - Are there any nominations? 00:00:55.280 --> 00:01:00.280 - I nominate Council Person Piedmont-Smith. 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.280 - Second. 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.400 - Any other nominations? 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:08.360 - Seeing none, we'll now vote. 00:01:08.360 --> 00:01:11.920 - We'll go with Council Member Piedmont-Smith first. 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:12.920 - Yes. 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:13.920 - Yes for me. 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:14.920 - Yes. 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:15.920 - Yes. 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:16.920 - Yes. 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:17.920 - Gentlemen? 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:18.920 - Yes. 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:19.920 - Yes. 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:20.920 - Call it to you. 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:21.920 - Thank you. 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:22.920 - Let's go to the next one. 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:28.680 - Okay, let's do introductions of the people who are not on the committee, but are joining 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:29.680 - us today. 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:35.640 - So, we'll start with the people. 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:39.280 - Lisa Lanner, Council Attorney. 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.280 - Christine Chang, Council Researcher. 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.880 - Jessica McClellan, City Controller. 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:48.360 - Sarah Taylor, Monroe County Central Dispatch. 00:01:48.360 --> 00:01:49.360 - Thank you. 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:52.360 - Thank you all for being here. 00:01:52.360 --> 00:01:53.360 - Okay. 00:01:53.360 --> 00:01:59.960 - So, we have an overview of local income tax rates, revenues, and distributions. 00:01:59.960 --> 00:02:02.960 - Controller McClellan, would you like to speak to that? 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:03.960 - Yes. 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:12.680 - Let me bring up the packet, so we can talk about the same thing. 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:13.680 - All right. 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:21.840 - On page 13 of your packet is the Certified Income Tax Distributions for 2025. 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:30.240 - I mean, currently dispatch is being funded with $2.7 million from local income tax. 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:36.440 - The total dispatch budget is the blue spreadsheet below that. 00:02:36.440 --> 00:02:42.600 - The city portion of that budget is $4.3 million. 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:48.640 - So I actually didn't do the math right here, but the part that's not covered by PSAP, 2025 00:02:48.640 --> 00:02:56.120 - PSAP lit is being covered by city reserves in the PSAP fund. 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:02.160 - So PSAP lit does not fully cover the dispatch budget. 00:03:02.160 --> 00:03:08.520 - We're using city reserves, and that is a funding source identified in the interlocal agreement 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:13.320 - for dispatch that the city and the county will use their reserves to fund the dispatch 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:14.320 - center. 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:19.800 - And we do have significant reserves, and so last year we decided to do that. 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.240 - And that's reserves in the PSAP fund? 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:24.240 - Yes. 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.680 - Only reserves from PSAP lit collected over previous years. 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:38.000 - Do you happen to know the balance of that fund? 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:50.000 - I do, in general. 00:03:50.000 --> 00:04:14.040 - The county fund is in the range of $2.5 million, and the city fund is -- I'm not getting to 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:17.840 - the right thing very quickly. 00:04:17.840 --> 00:04:22.040 - I can look that up while you guys discuss other things, and then I just wanted to let you know 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:33.440 - that the 2026 certified lit for PSLIT, that doesn't come out until August 16th. 00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:41.520 - So what we do is we estimate what we think PSLIT might be, and then we estimate what 00:04:41.520 --> 00:04:46.000 - our percentage of PSAP that we would like to take from PSLIT, what we would like that 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:50.640 - to be, and then we get an estimated amount of PSAP revenue that we have to work with 00:04:50.640 --> 00:04:53.840 - for 2026. 00:04:53.840 --> 00:04:57.960 - And that's not something that you have to decide in this meeting, but I just wanted 00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:03.120 - to -- but that's where we're headed. 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:07.000 - And in the next meeting, we'll also kind of go into more detail with that spreadsheet 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:12.240 - and percentages, and we have to wait until our next meeting because we may have units 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:17.720 - use this application that we're discussing today to apply for funding. 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:22.000 - So if this body decides to grant funding to other units, that will also affect how much 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.640 - PSAP we have to spend in 2026. 00:05:24.640 --> 00:05:29.960 - So that's why we're not deciding that today, but it is coming down the road. 00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:30.960 - >> Any questions? 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:31.960 - >> Yeah. 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:32.960 - I'm done. 00:05:32.960 --> 00:05:33.960 - >> Yes. 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:34.960 - Are there questions for Comptroller McClellan? 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:35.960 - Yes. 00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:45.280 - >> Can you speak a little bit to the effect that what SB1 became, this faces out in '28. 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:46.880 - So what happens to those reserves? 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:50.080 - Do they get washed into the general fund? 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:55.720 - Do they stay within a new creation of a lit fund, or how does that work? 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:57.280 - >> That has not been made clear yet. 00:05:57.280 --> 00:06:02.480 - That is exactly our question, too. 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:07.920 - We are, so, for everyone else in the room, SB1 abolished the Monroe County Local Income 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:12.240 - Tax Council, then would abolish this committee, it abolishes all the different buckets of 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:13.240 - lit. 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.680 - There will be no PS lit, no ED lit, it's just city lit and county lit. 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:23.840 - And I think that we need to find out what happens to our PSAP reserves. 00:06:23.840 --> 00:06:30.840 - And then the big question is, how do we fund the dispatch center with the local going forward? 00:06:30.840 --> 00:06:35.600 - And that we will also not decide at our next meeting, but it's a conversation coming down 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:36.600 - the road. 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.920 - And this is in 2028 this week, or 27? 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:41.920 - It's 27. 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:42.920 - Yeah. 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:49.080 - With the city council, we'll vote on the city rate in 26 for the new lit to start in 27, 00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:50.080 - I believe. 00:06:50.080 --> 00:06:54.480 - So it starts at 27, not voting in 27 for 28. 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:55.480 - Correct. 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:56.480 - That's my understanding. 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:57.480 - Thank you. 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:58.480 - You're welcome. 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:08.520 - Are there other questions? 00:07:08.520 --> 00:07:16.240 - The PSAP budget you mentioned is, is that the 2.781 million? 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:28.400 - Yes, PSAP lit revenue in 2025 is 2.781 million. 00:07:28.400 --> 00:07:32.320 - And that does not cover the PSAP 2025 budget? 00:07:32.320 --> 00:07:33.320 - Correct. 00:07:33.320 --> 00:07:34.320 - About half. 00:07:34.320 --> 00:07:35.320 - Okay. 00:07:35.320 --> 00:07:38.320 - A little more than half. 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:39.320 - Okay. 00:07:39.320 --> 00:07:42.320 - Only half. 00:07:42.320 --> 00:07:45.320 - Okay. 00:07:45.320 --> 00:07:52.680 - So that's the PSAP distribution component, but there's more revenue coming in. 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.080 - That's a very good question. 00:07:54.080 --> 00:07:57.120 - What is the county, the county contributes to this budget? 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.640 - I didn't mention that. 00:07:59.640 --> 00:08:08.060 - The first page of the packet with the blue spreadsheet, it has the actual total budget 00:08:08.060 --> 00:08:15.360 - of the dispatch center, including the county's portion is 5.1 million. 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:21.400 - And the county's portion is on there in these two little purple line items, communications 00:08:21.400 --> 00:08:27.520 - contract and instruction, and those come from the E-911 state fund. 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:31.400 - And that's a portion of the money, I think I have, let me see if I can get this right, 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:36.000 - I think it's the portion of the money that telecommunications providers pay into that 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.160 - fund as part of their contract to support 9-1-1. 00:08:40.160 --> 00:08:46.240 - And it goes to supporting dispatch, which answers 9-1-1 calls. 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:53.040 - Is there any information about the stability of that revenue source? 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:57.000 - I know that's kind of outside the comfort of it. 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:03.320 - And now I'm thinking, where would we get, I would say there should be, there's an E-9-1 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:04.320 - board. 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:11.560 - Maybe that would be the place to start a state board that is actually run by the state treasurer's 00:09:11.560 --> 00:09:12.560 - office. 00:09:12.560 --> 00:09:16.840 - I just feel like we can't count on anything without verifying. 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:17.840 - Give us points. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:18.840 - I agree. 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:19.840 - Yeah. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:20.840 - Thank you. 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:21.840 - Yes, you're welcome. 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:26.840 - I have one additional question here, I apologize. 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:34.640 - And this is a question for, I guess, clarity as opposed to argument, so I'll start there. 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:38.280 - So city and county have reserves off the PSAP fund, correct? 00:09:38.280 --> 00:09:39.280 - Correct. 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:43.840 - And what originates from the PSLIT fund? 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:44.840 - Yes. 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.840 - They're pure PSAP dollars. 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:48.840 - Okay. 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:53.400 - But again, those are coming off of the monies that this committee has set aside over the 00:09:53.400 --> 00:09:55.520 - years to fund the PSAP. 00:09:55.520 --> 00:09:56.520 - Yes. 00:09:56.520 --> 00:09:57.520 - Okay. 00:09:57.520 --> 00:10:01.320 - So what then are Ellsville and Steinsville's reserves off of that because it comes off the 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:02.320 - top? 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:07.160 - And with all certified shares, there should be a four-way split beginning on our percentages 00:10:07.160 --> 00:10:10.120 - as opposed to a two-way split. 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:15.660 - Ellsville and Steinsville, they do get PSLIT. 00:10:15.660 --> 00:10:23.960 - Oh, it's because only the city and the county are eligible for the PSAP distribution because 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:30.040 - of the interlocal agreement is only between the city and the county. 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:31.040 - To run the dispatch. 00:10:31.040 --> 00:10:32.040 - To run the dispatch. 00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:33.040 - But you guys dispatch for Ellsville and Steinsville, too, right? 00:10:33.040 --> 00:10:34.040 - They dispatch for Steinsville and Ellsville as well. 00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:44.300 - And that's taken off the top of the total PSLIT rate to fund dispatch first before the 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:46.040 - distribution then occurs. 00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:51.880 - So then I would argue if there are as then reserves coming off the top, there should 00:10:51.880 --> 00:10:54.440 - be an Ellsville and Steinsville reserve column as well. 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.400 - Not that they'll go for anything other than the PSAP, but in all clarity, it should be 00:10:58.400 --> 00:11:02.560 - a four-way split and what's in reserves rather than a two-way split because, again, those 00:11:02.560 --> 00:11:09.020 - were reserves that were set aside off the top of the tax. 00:11:09.020 --> 00:11:10.020 - It's not going to be much. 00:11:10.020 --> 00:11:11.020 - No, I'm just... 00:11:11.020 --> 00:11:12.020 - Particularly in comparison. 00:11:12.020 --> 00:11:23.820 - PSAP, I will just, also just for clarity, PSAP funds can only be spent on the dispatch 00:11:23.820 --> 00:11:24.820 - center. 00:11:24.820 --> 00:11:25.820 - Right. 00:11:25.820 --> 00:11:31.560 - And I guess where I was going with that is, again, for clarity rather than argument, if 00:11:31.560 --> 00:11:35.760 - the city has borne the total burden out for their reserves, should it then not be a four-way 00:11:35.760 --> 00:11:40.420 - split across all four categories, as opposed to one entity bearing the brunt of using their 00:11:40.420 --> 00:11:44.080 - reserves in place of everybody else. 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:48.080 - So for clarity, what are those four columns, again, knowing Elis, Phil, and Steinz, we're 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:52.800 - going to be much less than what the rest of them are, but I don't want a 20-years-from-now 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:56.440 - somebody goes back and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, time out, where'd all that money 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:57.440 - go? 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.240 - Particularly if it gets washed back into general funds later. 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.240 - Yeah. 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:01.840 - Which I hope it doesn't. 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:06.640 - A follow-up question to that for me, for the group, is do Elis, Phil, and Steinz go pay 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:07.640 - anything to dispatch? 00:12:07.640 --> 00:12:08.640 - Yes. 00:12:08.640 --> 00:12:09.640 - That's PSLIT. 00:12:09.640 --> 00:12:10.640 - They pay PSLIT. 00:12:10.640 --> 00:12:11.640 - It was originally thought-- 00:12:11.640 --> 00:12:12.640 - That was not clear. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:18.720 - Well, it was originally constructed that PSLIT, or the PSAP, would be funded out of PSLIT 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.480 - first before we did anything else, and that money then comes off the top. 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:27.440 - Otherwise, it would be revenue split four ways based on the formula under law. 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:28.440 - Yes. 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.560 - And then after PSAP comes off the top, then PSLIT is split four ways. 00:12:32.560 --> 00:12:33.560 - Right. 00:12:33.560 --> 00:12:34.560 - I'm sorry. 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:42.800 - Just for my clarity, Ellitsville pays something, like on an annual basis pays something to-- 00:12:42.800 --> 00:12:45.120 - Nobody pays anything except through PSLIT. 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:46.120 - Through PSLIT. 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:52.720 - And then what is chosen to be funded, like they have the certified PSAP, as I just looked 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:57.800 - at, those monies, those only come to the county because the county is the recipient of those 00:12:57.800 --> 00:12:58.800 - dollars from the state. 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:03.960 - There is no mechanism for the city or the town or the other town to receive those monies. 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:04.960 - Right. 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:05.960 - Right. 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:12.160 - So I get it's complicated, I just don't want to see one of us absorbing something in, in 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:13.560 - all reality it means nothing. 00:13:13.560 --> 00:13:14.560 - Yeah. 00:13:14.560 --> 00:13:15.560 - For now. 00:13:15.560 --> 00:13:16.560 - For now. 00:13:16.560 --> 00:13:19.520 - But if it all gets washed back, or if it all gets moved someplace else, then we're gonna 00:13:19.520 --> 00:13:23.160 - have a lot of arguments in the end that I'd rather address now while we're in the formative 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:29.360 - stage, rather than doing it later when we're trying to play catch up ball, if that makes 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.360 - any sense at all to everybody. 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:38.440 - I think that, obviously don't, the owl hanging upside down is hilariously distracting. 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:39.440 - Sorry. 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:42.440 - We're waiting for it to fall. 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:52.200 - Right, it's, the, I forgot my point, it was so distracting, that's ridiculous. 00:13:52.200 --> 00:14:04.080 - If things are going away in terms of buckets of lit, and we're still going to have an income 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:17.120 - or a revenue source directly related to this amount, this levy, this tax, so our internal 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:22.920 - budgeting could still, I mean it says wash into general fund, but if it did that, I assume 00:14:22.920 --> 00:14:26.280 - that you would set up specific funds. 00:14:26.280 --> 00:14:30.440 - See that's something we never anticipated from the state was, we're funding this off 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.920 - the top, so it's an equitable split amongst everybody. 00:14:33.920 --> 00:14:36.400 - So what happens when this committee goes away? 00:14:36.400 --> 00:14:40.480 - You can't fund it off the top of our whole, when you roll them together as public safety 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:45.040 - lit and economic development lit, because we'll have three or four separate versions 00:14:45.040 --> 00:14:47.960 - of that so you can't fund it off the top of those. 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.520 - So how do we even do that? 00:14:49.520 --> 00:14:50.520 - Percentage. 00:14:50.520 --> 00:14:53.520 - We'll have to have interlocal agreements. 00:14:53.520 --> 00:14:55.520 - There won't be a percentage. 00:14:55.520 --> 00:14:56.520 - There won't be. 00:14:56.520 --> 00:14:57.520 - Dedicated to dispatch. 00:14:57.520 --> 00:14:58.520 - Yeah. 00:14:58.520 --> 00:14:59.520 - So again, that's. 00:14:59.520 --> 00:15:10.520 - And if Alexville, then it'd be good to have an interlocal that includes all of the units 00:15:10.520 --> 00:15:11.520 - that dispatch supports. 00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:16.000 - Well, yeah, and again, even the ones that are not municipalities are being supported 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.000 - because they're taxing it in amongst themselves. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:30.520 - We'll have to address that at some point or at least contemplate what we're going to do. 00:15:30.520 --> 00:15:37.840 - Well, Scott, as the head of Alexville town council, can you find out if there are piece 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.840 - that preserves their no, because they would be with this committee, just like cities is 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.320 - and the counties is it's coming off of this committee. 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:50.720 - And because the city manages the dispatch center for the county in Ellsville and everybody 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:51.720 - else. 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.040 - Oh, because it's the piece that right not the shares. 00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:56.040 - Yeah. 00:15:56.040 --> 00:15:58.720 - He said only comes to the city in the county. 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:11.520 - And it can only be spent on dispatch dispatch. 00:16:11.520 --> 00:16:12.520 - I would know that. 00:16:12.520 --> 00:16:18.000 - See, but going down the road, I mean, when we start looking at one, but a term user fees 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:23.280 - to set up dispatch, okay, so now Monroe Fire is going to have to start kicking in substantially 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:28.280 - because they're now the bulk of the county other than, you know, the municipalities. 00:16:28.280 --> 00:16:32.800 - For emergency services, what are we doing about the ambulance service, because they're 00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:33.800 - a private entity. 00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:38.040 - Are we dispatching for them for free, or are they going to have to pay. 00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:43.440 - All of these things are questions that I don't think the state really anticipated when they 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:48.320 - contemplated doing away with PS and economic development, pushing them together because 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:53.880 - there's no mechanism for us to skim off the top, as we're doing right now. 00:16:53.880 --> 00:16:58.640 - It may make the whole process a little bit more equitable to include all those people 00:16:58.640 --> 00:17:03.160 - into the, you know, to the revenue sources because you are supporting all of those entities. 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:07.160 - Then the question becomes, however, what if you have a municipality who can't afford it? 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:08.160 - Right, right, right. 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:09.160 - Who supplements? 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:10.160 - Right. 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.960 - So, again, I'm just throwing questions out there that we're going to have to address 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:15.960 - at some point. 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:16.960 - But this is the PSLIT committee. 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:17.960 - This isn't the dispatch board. 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:18.960 - I just want to point that out. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:19.960 - Who does make that decision, you know? 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:26.180 - Maybe it's a different committee. 00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:27.180 - It could be. 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:30.180 - It could be the same people in this room, but yeah, because this could go away. 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:34.160 - It could be the same people in this room, but I think it may be a different committee. 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:38.800 - I'm just asking because we, at this point, not control, but are responsible for the reserves 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:40.960 - that are going into those funds. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:47.160 - It seems like we're missing two funds, that there should have been donations or remnants 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.600 - put into those. 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:59.080 - So would that, would the the public safety distribution, the PSAP distribution for Ellisville 00:17:59.080 --> 00:18:08.360 - and Steinsville, so the 268,000 and the 1,300, would those have, those have gone into what 00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:09.360 - the county received? 00:18:09.360 --> 00:18:12.080 - No, they go directly to those entities. 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:18.000 - Oh, I don't know where, no, because like saying the reserves, so say we set aside a million 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:24.200 - dollars, I know the number is wrong, for dispatch, but they only spend 700,000 of it. 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:28.720 - What's been happening is 150 has gone to the city and 150 has gone to the county as reserves. 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.040 - Well, what are the other two entities? 00:18:31.040 --> 00:18:32.040 - Where are their reserves? 00:18:32.040 --> 00:18:34.920 - Because they push money into this pile to begin with as well. 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:36.800 - So it should have been based on that percentages. 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:43.560 - So the city's 50%, the county's 40%, Ellisville's 10%, Steinsville's 2% should have received 00:18:43.560 --> 00:18:47.360 - in silos so we could track it easier over the years. 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:49.320 - But no one ever thought that it would matter. 00:18:49.320 --> 00:18:51.320 - Now it's saying it matters. 00:18:51.320 --> 00:18:52.320 - Yeah. 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:54.920 - Is it 50/50 between county and city? 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.320 - It doesn't look like it. 00:18:57.320 --> 00:19:00.320 - No, not at the percentages. 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:05.160 - So what's supposed to happen is the city is supposed to receive all of the dispatch, or 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.560 - all of the PSAP because we have the majority of the expenses. 00:19:08.560 --> 00:19:13.760 - I mean, it's not our money, it's still just lit and we get the money so that we can pay 00:19:13.760 --> 00:19:14.760 - all the bills. 00:19:14.760 --> 00:19:15.760 - We have all the salaries. 00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:16.760 - We have all the expenses. 00:19:16.760 --> 00:19:22.040 - Just because this interlocal decided it would be easier that way instead of really splitting 00:19:22.040 --> 00:19:26.600 - it 50/50 and asking you to pay half the people and you to pay half the people and then there 00:19:26.600 --> 00:19:30.080 - being this argument about who dispatches for who. 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:35.440 - So we try to get that out of the clear of that issue and then have all of the lit revenue 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:36.920 - come to the city. 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:44.080 - I don't know why, really why the county has a balance in the PSAP fund because I always 00:19:44.080 --> 00:19:48.560 - thought that all of the PSAP was supposed to come to the city, we spend what we need 00:19:48.560 --> 00:19:53.440 - to and then we don't, whatever we don't spend stays in the PSAP fund and then we always 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:54.440 - share that information. 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:55.440 - It's in the interlocal. 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.740 - We share that information with the county every year. 00:19:57.740 --> 00:19:59.240 - How much did we spend? 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.360 - What is our reserves? 00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:02.720 - So that every, all the players know what the reserves are. 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:03.720 - Which would make sense. 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:04.720 - Yes. 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:05.720 - Yes. 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:11.680 - Just to, I don't have the entire answer as to why the county has that but I believe it 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:20.780 - has to do with the county being responsible for some of the supplies capital kind of expenditure 00:20:20.780 --> 00:20:23.160 - as opposed to the operations expenditures. 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:28.000 - So that, I know that in the past we've had those discussions on council. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.000 - Yes. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.480 - And things have changed over time. 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.400 - They aren't now like they were when this started. 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.280 - So I think that I, what you're saying does sound familiar but I don't know the details 00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:39.280 - cause it was a long time ago. 00:20:39.280 --> 00:20:40.280 - Yeah. 00:20:40.280 --> 00:20:41.280 - Yeah. 00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:42.280 - Okay. 00:20:42.280 --> 00:20:43.280 - Sounds good. 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:44.280 - Yeah. 00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:45.280 - I didn't even want to bring that up because I didn't want to cast dispersions on the county 00:20:45.280 --> 00:20:46.280 - that you have money that you shouldn't. 00:20:46.280 --> 00:20:47.280 - But the way it's working now it doesn't entirely, you know, it doesn't seem like the county 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:48.280 - should be keeping PSAP money, it should all come to the city to pay for the dispatch center 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:49.280 - that we all use. 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:50.280 - But that's also not something that isn't really an issue. 00:20:50.280 --> 00:20:51.280 - It's not an issue. 00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:52.280 - It's just, I'm happy with the way the county is doing it. 00:20:52.280 --> 00:21:19.240 - Yeah, and I don't know, I don't know the answers to that. 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:25.240 - I don't feel like, I mean, obviously it can only be spent on PSAP, so. 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:26.240 - Yeah. 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.240 - That's why it's not an issue. 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:28.240 - It doesn't, it's fine. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.240 - Yeah. 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:30.240 - It can only be spent on the dispatch center. 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.240 - We should probably just clarify some things. 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:32.240 - Again, I'm just worried at the future. 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:33.240 - What happens then? 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.240 - To me, it's irrelevant right now. 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:35.240 - Yes. 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.240 - And it's irrelevant, quite frankly, in the future to me, but to somebody else it may be 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.240 - relevant. 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:38.240 - Yes. 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:51.200 - So things to clarify as we move along to the post-PSLIP phase. 00:21:51.200 --> 00:22:01.440 - Now Jessica, there was an additional distribution of PSAP funds, right, or PSLIP funds. 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:11.680 - Only of PSLIP, the county said that the supplemental LIP wasn't in our budget for dispatch and 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:12.680 - that they would keep it. 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:20.000 - That's what I was told, and that's why we didn't get it. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.000 - But we got certified shares. 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:30.280 - We got PSLIP, and we got certified shares, and we got EDLIP, we just didn't get PSAP. 00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:36.880 - Okay, so I just want to make sure that everybody on the committee is aware that there was an 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:42.880 - additional distribution for PSAP, it all went to the county. 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.480 - Do we know how much that was? 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:47.480 - 215,685. 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:49.520 - And so that's not appropriated, right? 00:22:49.520 --> 00:22:50.520 - Correct. 00:22:50.520 --> 00:22:51.520 - That goes into the reserves? 00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:52.520 - Correct. 00:22:52.520 --> 00:22:53.520 - So just something to keep in mind. 00:22:53.520 --> 00:23:09.200 - How do those supplemental distributions come about? 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:18.480 - Every county lit has a trust fund with the state because they're collecting income taxes 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.840 - after they estimate what your lit is going to be, and sometimes the income taxes that 00:23:21.840 --> 00:23:24.280 - they collect come in at more than what they estimated. 00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:32.080 - They keep all that extra lit in a trust fund, and when the trust fund gets above 15 percent 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:38.560 - of a certain balance, which is a certain percentage of your city and county, blah, blah, blah, 00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:42.480 - then they distribute it to you as a supplemental distribution to keep the trust fund balance 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.320 - low or under a certain threshold. 00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:57.760 - And so the certified shares, like the city got almost 1.2 million certified shares, that's 00:23:57.760 --> 00:24:02.760 - also not appropriated, but available for appropriation this year, right? 00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:03.760 - Correct. 00:24:03.760 --> 00:24:11.000 - Something to keep in mind for city council and county council because I'm sure you all 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:18.160 - have distributed shares in Ellisville as well. 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:23.880 - Any other questions for the controller on this? 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:24.880 - Okay. 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:36.080 - Well, let's move on to hear from Sarah Taylor, Director of Civilian Operations with Central 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:42.160 - Dispatch on how the expenditures are going and whether there are big plans that will 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.640 - need investment next year. 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:49.520 - >> We are on track with our spending for this year for what we projected from last year. 00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:54.840 - We had a lot of big projects that are happening this year, which increased the budget significantly 00:24:54.840 --> 00:24:55.840 - for 2025. 00:24:55.840 --> 00:24:59.640 - We're replacing 22 of our consulates in the radio room. 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:04.760 - That helps us still communicate with everyone in the field if our landline connection were 00:25:04.760 --> 00:25:10.280 - to go down, and then we need to replace our second UPS, that's a glorified surge protector 00:25:10.280 --> 00:25:13.680 - for all of our equipment to the generator. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.400 - When we're thinking about next year, we don't have a lot of those huge expenditures. 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.800 - There's not huge equipment that we need to replace quite yet. 00:25:22.800 --> 00:25:29.480 - So while we do see the pay likely, the personnel pay is going to increase due to the city's 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:34.720 - new pay structure, we do have some contracts that are falling off or significantly decreasing 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:40.520 - because we are not having these large capital expenses or because the first year of the 00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:45.800 - budget was much more significant because we had a GIS portion or some other portion that 00:25:45.800 --> 00:25:48.280 - needed replacement in that first year. 00:25:48.280 --> 00:25:52.920 - All of our contracts are going to be in the second year or farther along than that. 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:58.680 - I'm speaking kind of in generics, not being real specific today because the Dispatch Policy 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.040 - Board has not met to approve our proposed budget. 00:26:02.040 --> 00:26:06.300 - That's going to happen on June 26th for a special session. 00:26:06.300 --> 00:26:10.160 - At our next meeting, I'm happier to get more into the nitty-gritty and detailed of what 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:16.740 - Dispatch's needs are for 2026. 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:22.920 - >> Any questions for Ms. Taylor? 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.080 - How are you as far as having positions filled? 00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:30.200 - Are they -- I know that last year we had many vacancies. 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:31.200 - Is that improving? 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.520 - >> It is not improved yet. 00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:37.200 - Unfortunately, we still have about the same vacancy rate as last year. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:42.920 - We are focused on filling our Dispatch supervisor roles that have historically been vacant since 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:50.720 - those FTEs were allotted, I believe, three or four years ago before my stint here. 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:52.160 - Those positions are open. 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:59.480 - We've got a training supervisor position open internally and three Dispatch supervisor positions 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:00.480 - open right now. 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.480 - We hope to fill those really quickly within the next month or two. 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:11.040 - Once we address those supervisor positions and get those filled, then we will open another 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:15.040 - telecommunications process as well, the Dispatchers. 00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:22.480 - >> I'm sorry to hear that it's been hard to get and keep employees. 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.160 - >> It's a national problem, unfortunately. 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.960 - >> It's a difficult job. 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:32.960 - Any other questions? 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.640 - All right. 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.280 - Thank you for that update. 00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:50.080 - We can move on to review of the guidelines and application form for potential applicants 00:27:50.080 --> 00:28:06.880 - among emergency service providers that are not funded by county, city, or Ellitsville 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:07.880 - governments. 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:08.880 - Oh, I'm sorry. 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.760 - I forgot the little asterisks. 00:28:12.760 --> 00:28:19.560 - We have an opportunity for public comment on the short report from Ms. Taylor on the central 00:28:19.560 --> 00:28:22.480 - dispatch expenditures. 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.680 - Would anybody from the public want to comment on that topic? 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:32.720 - There's nobody here in the McCloskey room except for cats. 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.000 - Thank you. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.000 - Any hands raised online? 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:57.720 - It looks like there's some questions in the chat. 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.650 - So he asks how will the city and county coordinate in the ramp up on the repeal of PSLIT 00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:03.800 - designation? 00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:08.720 - Okay, we did talk about that somewhat. 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:15.720 - Further, how will the 2008 effective combined lit structure and per municipality apportionment 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:23.520 - requirements tend to influence the collaborative fiduciary needs such as dispatch? 00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:24.520 - Those are big questions that will need to be addressed. 00:29:24.520 --> 00:29:25.520 - Who is that? 00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:42.720 - All right, but I don't see any hands raised to make public comment on the unified central 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.520 - dispatch expenditures. 00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:53.160 - So we can move on to review of the guidelines and application form for other emergency service 00:29:53.160 --> 00:30:00.280 - providers. 00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:06.320 - The form was in the packet, are there any, did anybody notice anything that might need 00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:11.960 - to be revised other than the dates and Stephen Lucas' contact information? 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:24.580 - My recollection is last year we did not have applications, is that correct? 00:30:24.580 --> 00:30:25.580 - I think so. 00:30:25.580 --> 00:30:26.580 - We didn't have any submitted. 00:30:26.580 --> 00:30:28.520 - We have to allow them to do it and no one chose to submit. 00:30:28.520 --> 00:30:37.760 - And my hazy recollection is that people did not submit because the writing was pretty 00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:42.320 - clear that we were not having a lot of extra to distribute. 00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:44.840 - So relative to that are we in the same situation? 00:30:44.840 --> 00:30:51.960 - Personally I would say yes because everybody else who is able to submit also has their 00:30:51.960 --> 00:31:02.920 - own tax supported entity to go through to get there. 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:13.840 - So looking at the form just on the top of the second page it says the committee reviewed 00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:20.060 - its guidelines and made changes reflecting changes made to state law. 00:31:20.060 --> 00:31:31.960 - So I guess we can take that out since we're just keeping whatever that was. 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:38.100 - And then I wanted to double check whether the September 1st deadline is still accurate in 00:31:38.100 --> 00:31:41.100 - the last paragraph. 00:31:41.100 --> 00:31:47.340 - I believe that's still accurate. 00:31:47.340 --> 00:31:52.600 - So that does put us in a position to really have to estimate because we won't have the 00:31:52.600 --> 00:32:02.860 - numbers until August 16th but that only leaves two weeks to have this committee meet and 00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:08.320 - have the members of the tax council approve any changes. 00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:18.920 - So really we need to make a decision before we have those numbers as usual. 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:25.600 - Okay well I didn't see anything to revise here, anybody else? 00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:36.720 - Now the meatier part of this is the guidelines which start on page 11. 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:43.560 - And this may be Councillor Wills what you were talking about that maybe they looked 00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:51.400 - at this and we're like it doesn't look very promising because we do talk about number 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:56.520 - two there the committee will only consider funding expenditures for demonstrated urgent 00:32:56.520 --> 00:33:03.320 - one-time emergency needs so that's pretty limiting and then combined with all these 00:33:03.320 --> 00:33:13.640 - other guidelines it is it is rather narrow I think what these guidelines would have us 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:14.640 - consider. 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.880 - But we are here to talk about the guidelines so I'm open to. 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:44.400 - Yeah it's this is just what the what this council has done from honestly first year 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.320 - on I'm not sure how many years that is now is that we saw I think the first year we had 00:33:50.320 --> 00:33:55.920 - 10 applications and it all seemed to revolve around one individual topic at the time which 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:02.560 - was SCBAs so we decided to fund those because those weren't urgent life-threatening priority 00:34:02.560 --> 00:34:06.080 - but then we were also getting things like oh I want to pick up truck or I want to trailer 00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:13.040 - I want to it got into kind of wish list items that we had to pick through versus at the 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:17.520 - time the the committee decided no we're not going to do wish list we're going to do what 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:22.800 - is what what benefits the entire county right now and at that point in time it was the SCBAs 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.160 - the breathing apparatus I think another time we did fund a tanker because again it was 00:34:28.160 --> 00:34:33.040 - an immediate need that benefited the entire region of the county but combing through the 00:34:33.040 --> 00:34:38.160 - wish list items that quite frankly were better put in a budget a yearly budget or plan for 00:34:38.160 --> 00:34:43.040 - the yearly budget seem to make more sense to the count to the group assembled group than asking 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:48.000 - for the entire county to fund one wish list item for one entity that didn't benefit everybody 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:57.600 - also when we started in 2016 there were a lot more fire departments now they've most of them 00:34:57.600 --> 00:35:03.680 - have unified under the fire protection district so there's there's I would argue that led to 00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:15.360 - better planning on further budgets and they have to apply before july 1st okay um oh um sorry 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:21.440 - counselor that's all right yeah it's those same things so i'm going off scott's point i mean i'm 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:29.360 - looking at two and five and trying to square a circle so let's use the scuba or the that device 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:35.760 - for example that's a one-time urgent emergency need purchase and we're talking about a resource 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:42.240 - that usually has an end of life right like that equipment will expire out for safety reasons like 00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:47.690 - does that then negate if someone would come back and say look you know we bought a piece of 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:48.000 - equipment 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:53.840 - one time use and now it's end of life we have to dispose of it so we're coming back to replace that 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:02.800 - urgent use but it is now a uh yeah number five basically disqualifying it's almost disqualifying 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.440 - it it's not a news it's um it's using the source of funding to replace something that was urgent 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.120 - one-time use does that strike folks as sort of um let me give you a little clarity on that there 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:18.960 - had been a rule change um i want to say it was with osha about how long the air tanks could 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:23.360 - actually be in service that caught a lot of the fire department's flat-footed so they weren't 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.960 - able to budget ahead of time and buy x number per year to get there and we had several providers 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:33.280 - emergency service providers that just simply did not have the tax base or the funding capabilities 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:39.040 - to get those scbas back in service it caught everybody pretty quickly flat-footed that they 00:36:39.040 --> 00:36:42.400 - couldn't afford to do the numbers they needed so we funded as a county 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:49.120 - okay i hear that i guess i guess and that's fine for that example but yeah it's the boots 00:36:49.120 --> 00:36:54.720 - and suits problem of things that you purchase that are urgent for a moment that do have a shelf 00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:55.200 - life 00:36:55.200 --> 00:37:03.280 - and then if it is a one-time purchase versus a um something we wouldn't budget for routinely and 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:08.880 - i mean pandemic stuff falls in this category you know um you know if there are pharmaceuticals that 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:16.560 - have a shelf life that that are past their use or you know the authorized use um i don't want to 00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:20.800 - contour all the possible resources i'm just trying to wrap my head around at what point this five 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:25.840 - get in the way of number two on this list or something if an agency were trying to use this 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:35.040 - resource i might be alone on that that's okay well number five does say prefers yeah i mean i 00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:40.400 - yeah so it's almost yeah i mean that seems like an admonition or a warning like don't bother but i 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:49.120 - hear what you're saying whereas number two is more stark yeah yeah 00:37:49.120 --> 00:37:58.560 - it's like um a lot of rules sometimes and i haven't been on the committee for a long time 00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:04.560 - but sometimes you see rules and you're like something happened and that's why that's there 00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:11.840 - wouldn't be a rule that's right i'm wondering that's the point that we've consolidated the fire 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:17.520 - protection district that does resonate with me maybe a fewer units that are competing now 00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:20.480 - so that that does that does change things slightly in my opinion 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:33.680 - just throwing out there that the county did all of us recently experienced an emergency 00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:44.160 - from the tornadoes and i'm wondering if there is an application of funds that we would consider 00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:52.080 - relative to expenses made around that response i mean would that be inappropriate 00:38:52.080 --> 00:39:02.400 - so it'd be things that had already been expended perhaps or in preparation for a similar 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:09.840 - event in the future i don't know i'm just kind of thinking out loud it's a terrible happen 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.520 - well it's not a bad idea and i'm kind of curious uh scott oldham if you have some views on this so 00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:20.720 - um you know if we had a situation where we're not going to meet a threshold for state or federal 00:39:20.720 --> 00:39:26.800 - disaster relief right and yet we still expended resources locally but we're not going to get 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:31.200 - reimbursed for those from a state or federal pool because you know the disaster wasn't large enough 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.600 - if that would be something that would qualify though i'm trying to wrap my head around what 00:39:35.600 --> 00:39:39.760 - that would be i mean overtime is one of those things right but that's not a tangible good 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:46.720 - again i can only speak to what we funded in the past where we were you know from beginning we 00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:52.640 - never funded any personal cost because those those were recurring and quite frankly even in 00:39:52.640 --> 00:39:58.240 - this instance and i understand what you're saying we would be providing monies six to eight months 00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:01.920 - after the fact for something that should have been absorbed in the budget some other way 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:08.400 - now i think your your point though is if we identified a piece of equipment that we needed 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:13.200 - that would benefit the entire county in a disaster sure let's talk about that did we need a crane 00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:13.360 - did 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:18.480 - we need a this did we need a whatever else but then the question you've got to ask yourself is 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:25.600 - where does that asset belong where does it go and does it fit within what we're funding so again 00:40:25.600 --> 00:40:25.760 - would 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:31.120 - a crane be better purchased by city county or ellisville highway department because it would get 00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:36.080 - used more than once every 20 years hopefully never used or does it belong with the fire department 00:40:36.080 --> 00:40:41.600 - where it just sits and does nothing for 15 20 years so you know where is that capability i can 00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:47.680 - tell you from our most recent experience thank god there wasn't a substantial amount of equipment 00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:53.440 - needed that was not already present in daily use this this would be more like losing apparatus 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.720 - right right yeah yeah if you had something where you had a fire truck you know again pick one of 00:40:58.720 --> 00:41:03.680 - them two engines get destroyed yeah that's an urgent need that benefits everybody so i would 00:41:03.680 --> 00:41:08.480 - say yeah that's absolutely fun that one but that's kind of outside the purview of even the monies 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:08.560 - we 00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:23.120 - have off of this here but just to carry that forward then something that would equipment wise 00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:31.760 - enhance coordination and communication in a similar incident might be eligible sure 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:42.880 - yeah didn't we fund uh new radios for some of the we did township fire departments so everybody had 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:48.000 - repeaters yes and mdts yes so that way throughout the entire county everybody's functioning on the 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:53.440 - same system with the same capabilities and in fact i don't know the boy with the city everybody 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.920 - they may have but the outer line fire departments were equipped with repeaters as they got further 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.960 - and further away from the base station so that they could use the the radio channels appropriately 00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:11.840 - yeah that's a really good use and again being due to the committee um i'm getting education but 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:17.280 - yeah the the repeater purchase makes a lot of sense to me so i understand that oh that's paid 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:28.160 - off over the years several times yeah yeah 100 do we have guidance to provide potential applicants 00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:33.760 - on the amount they should target in their requests 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:41.760 - don't know that we ever had what we provided we're going to spend this or whatever else 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:49.280 - because again anything we grant comes off the top entire ps lid becomes second after dispatch 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:58.080 - in preparing for this meeting i've not seen any document that provided guidance of that nature 00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:05.280 - in most of my first first ps lit most of the time we've done this the committee 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:11.200 - directed the purchase and paid for it directly rather than giving the money to the entity 00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:17.120 - it was like the scbas we bought in mass and i remember who was dedicated to doing that or the 00:43:17.120 --> 00:43:23.200 - mdt's or the radio systems that was money set at that point to dispatch to fund out of their own 00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:32.640 - item right about the time they disband this committee i'll understand how it works 00:43:32.640 --> 00:43:47.280 - so is there any appetite to revise these guidelines or add anything to them 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:59.120 - so it's it's it's it's a confusion point that we don't think the agencies have an 00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:05.440 - understanding of the array of things that could apply for or is it really because i mean part of 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:11.840 - me after hearing the little of this is thinking about just how you know i'm going to talk law 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:16.080 - enforcement here for a second but like how the nims or the national and financial system process 00:44:16.080 --> 00:44:20.640 - would identify like a resource type list and say well but things are on the resource list 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:25.760 - that typically fire ems or first responders use like that's the kind of stuff that be eligible 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.400 - is there is there an appetite to create like an example list based on stuff that we know 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:36.960 - our resources that public safety might bring to us so we can wrap our heads around it doesn't seem 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:43.280 - abstract or or folks i'm okay with either way having examples of things or just sticking with 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:49.200 - this is fine especially you know we might be adding more to this guideline than complicating 00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:57.360 - does anyone have an opinion about examples of things to maybe trigger some applications or not 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:04.000 - i guess i would be concerned if we make a list of examples then 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:11.280 - we'll get a request for those things even if they're not needed or pressing 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:20.320 - and i mean i think honestly my questions are coming from a point of i'm still learning about the 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:26.320 - process and most of the folks who would be applying probably are more familiar than i am with 00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.320 - what would count and what would work in terms of the process 00:45:34.160 --> 00:45:41.600 - how many uh qualified service providers are there now who could apply 00:45:41.600 --> 00:45:49.760 - do we know so there's the modern fire protection district obviously what maybe i'll rely on 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.160 - deputy chief aldem 00:45:52.160 --> 00:46:03.280 - and not knowing what three maybe four so is washington township 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:11.600 - still have their own no it's been actually fully come into the district yet are they still pending 00:46:11.600 --> 00:46:18.880 - i know they were intending but i don't know what their actual 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:24.720 - moving moving date is and then you have um beam blossom fire steinsville fire 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:31.920 - that's that's still out there on their own um is steinsville uh beam blossom that's not the same 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:38.800 - thing yes yes they're currently in discussions with two parties that may result in some acquisition 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:44.000 - of services so i don't really want to speak to that because it's still ongoing but 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:50.560 - it's out there in the public that they are entertaining some things uh oh richard carter 00:46:50.560 --> 00:46:57.680 - has joined us welcome mr carter uh there are four bloomington blue city ellsville fire beam blossom 00:46:57.680 --> 00:47:04.640 - okay of the fire department so too that also emergency medical service provider 00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:12.720 - but again when it talks about from a political subdivision our emergency service medical 00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:17.440 - provider is a private entity so they are not eligible they've never tried i don't know the 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:28.960 - committee's ever answered that question yeah it must be operated by or serve well it serves 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.160 - you know it's not under contract 00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:36.160 - bias is not under contract to this county in any form or fashion 00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:45.200 - uh bloomington hospital service iu health hospital sorry um it used to be um but no longer is 00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:51.680 - this 00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:57.120 - well it says as defined by code and so maybe there's yeah more to it than that 00:47:57.120 --> 00:48:07.680 - okay so back to the operated diet or sorry a public subdivision so yeah sorry i'm catching up 00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:13.440 - so it doesn't it wouldn't count as serving a subdivision because there's no agreement 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.880 - uh and they would have to make a case we've never answered that question because they've 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:23.840 - never they've never applied yeah cross-separation if we get to it i think that question's come up 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:32.720 - every year shows how much i remember i ask it every year no no i mean it's something we've 00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:38.000 - discussed a lot in it we've never had to push it to legal department because they've never said hey 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:44.240 - we'd like to apply yeah it describes the last five minutes conversation from the tape i'm just 00:48:44.240 --> 00:48:51.280 - i mean i think it's an interesting discussion you know if we wanted to take bs lit money off the 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:51.520 - top 00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:57.040 - and fund an ambulance service specific to the company that would be different um but that's 00:48:57.040 --> 00:49:02.000 - not something that i don't know we can even do by interlocal agreement because this was designed 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:02.560 - for 00:49:02.560 --> 00:49:09.040 - the piece out not for beyond that and it's going away seems right right 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:16.080 - so i'm hearing no suggestions to change our guidelines 00:49:16.080 --> 00:49:28.160 - okay well um we can go to the public is there any member of the public who would like to speak 00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:33.040 - about the application form or the guidelines for applicants 00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:54.960 - all right seeing none we will move on to uh schedule 00:49:57.200 --> 00:50:02.640 - would the committee then need to vote on the application and guidelines 00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:09.680 - oh yes if so i have um a proposed motion that 00:50:09.680 --> 00:50:21.840 - you could consider and that would be a motion to approve the document entitled 00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:31.040 - public safety local income tax committee of monreal county local income tax council 00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:43.040 - application and guidelines last revised june 13 2024 with the following changes 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:54.560 - removing the paragraph at the top of page two and updating the dates and contact information within 00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:54.640 - it 00:50:54.640 --> 00:51:02.080 - thank you miss laner would anybody like to make that motion 00:51:02.080 --> 00:51:07.280 - so moved second 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:17.840 - all right it's been moved and seconded to approve the application and guidelines with 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:26.960 - a few revisions as discussed um let's do a roll call um council member ruff yes council member 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:35.760 - daily yes councilor wilkes yes deputy chief oh i should know you're here roll sorry council member 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:46.640 - aldo yes uh councilor henry yes and council member rolla yes thank you that motion passes 00:51:46.640 --> 00:51:53.120 - and you oh and i vote yes all right forgot to call on myself 00:51:53.120 --> 00:52:01.840 - okay so now we can move on to a matter of schedule and trying to uh 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:10.400 - schedule our next meeting so the the deadline will be for the applications will be june 30th 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:21.840 - which i believe is on monday um so uh within a couple weeks of that date we should try to 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:29.120 - schedule another meeting um by then we will also have the central dispatch budget proposal 00:52:34.080 --> 00:52:35.600 - um 00:52:35.600 --> 00:52:42.720 - so maybe look at the week of july 14th 00:52:42.720 --> 00:52:53.120 - is anybody going to be totally unavailable that week 00:52:53.120 --> 00:52:57.680 - not necessarily okay 00:52:57.680 --> 00:53:02.640 - definitely that friday i'm totally available 00:53:03.600 --> 00:53:15.280 - oh what about another tuesday at noon on july 15th does that work for people and for staff as well 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:25.920 - i'll give everybody a minute to look at their calendars yeah that doesn't work for me no it doesn't 00:53:30.720 --> 00:53:36.880 - is it because of noon or tuesday or it's that day it's what about monday the 14th 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:42.640 - okay sorry thursday the 17th 00:53:42.640 --> 00:53:50.000 - that would work for me yeah thursday's actually the best day of the week i mean not that 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.880 - i'm the star of the show yes you are 00:53:52.880 --> 00:54:00.000 - um so so the new proposal is thursday july 17th at noon 00:54:00.560 --> 00:54:09.120 - um and for those online those committee members online feel free to chime in if that does not work 00:54:09.120 --> 00:54:17.760 - works for me thanks it does okay it's fine 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:25.520 - mr carter does that oh gotcha just always know very good 00:54:28.080 --> 00:54:35.280 - and it works for staff and uh yay we got a date 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:42.160 - um so i don't know if we should schedule a third meeting 00:54:42.160 --> 00:54:48.400 - um it's probably better to schedule it in case we need it i agree 00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:59.120 - so oh what about the following thursday the 24th i'll be out of state i will also be out of state 00:54:59.120 --> 00:55:05.600 - actually actually oh well it's getting close then 00:55:05.600 --> 00:55:14.960 - if we're going to make any changes there's not a lot of time for the the voting bodies to react 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:32.480 - it's it's my understanding that the reaction would come from city council primarily right 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.240 - because of the way the votes are distributed 00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:40.640 - and it needs to be done by august 1st 00:55:42.160 --> 00:55:48.000 - no the the so if we propose a change in the proportion that goes to psap 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:55.120 - then the monter county tax council which is comprised of the bodies of the three governments 00:55:55.120 --> 00:56:03.760 - need to approve that change by september 1st so yeah and since most of the votes or majority 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:11.040 - of the votes are with the city council so if we met july 28th would that be enough time 00:56:11.680 --> 00:56:14.160 - looking at miss laner 00:56:14.160 --> 00:56:22.400 - and and potentially because we do have a meeting 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:34.400 - august 6 but then wait august 6 and 13 no only august 6 and then yes that's it it's just the 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.320 - beginning of august that's the only meeting we have in august because then we have our two weeks 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:50.720 - of budget hearings well that would be cutting it close but i don't see unless we move the first 00:56:50.720 --> 00:56:59.520 - meeting earlier i don't see how you could just set it because we may not need it we may not need it 00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:10.640 - well council city council also has a regular session scheduled on july 30th i don't know if that 00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:21.360 - so how does july 28th look for everybody it's a monday somebody said monday's bad 00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:30.240 - well i don't know i guess we'll start with noon i couldn't make it for noon well unless i was 00:57:30.240 --> 00:57:38.720 - able to do online but i could make it for noon 30 i have a meeting that ends right at noon that 00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:39.040 - Monday 00:57:39.040 --> 00:57:43.600 - so how does 12 30 on july 28th look 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:54.480 - i may have to be remote for them okay but you would be available yes 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.760 - works for me 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:05.360 - who said that richard okay thank you 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:10.320 - does that work for everybody here in the room 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:20.480 - wonderful and mr henry he gave a thumbs up he did okay good 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:30.960 - yes as as an aside we would need at least four committee members physically present 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:39.600 - to support people attending electronically right for both of these as an fyi and no more than two 00:58:39.600 --> 00:58:48.000 - virtual in the room right and right nobody can attend virtually through more than two times in 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:59.040 - a row andy did you have something no i can be in person okay 00:58:59.040 --> 00:59:06.480 - uh is that that would be sufficient for our meetings going forward right 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.720 - may i add something yes of course if a committee member 00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:21.120 - wants to attend participate in the meeting electronically it would help in terms of 00:59:21.120 --> 00:59:29.600 - interpreting the open door law or identifying any issues if you could send an email to to me 00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:39.920 - in advance then i can identify any problems potentially work those out before the meeting 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:54.000 - thank you and again the 17th meeting was in new yes july 17th afternoon july 28th at 12 30 right 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.480 - here 00:59:56.480 --> 01:00:00.080 - i'll schedule it somewhere in single 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:10.080 - okay um there is an asterisk here so we will take public comment on schedule 01:00:10.080 --> 01:00:13.680 - anybody in the public want to comment on what we've just scheduled 01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:20.640 - don't see any hands going up 01:00:20.640 --> 01:00:29.360 - so we will move on to other business does anybody have any other business 01:00:32.080 --> 01:00:38.400 - i would just say i was i was oh i'm sorry councilmember member rollo go ahead yeah i 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:44.240 - got a text um this is from air ghost and he had issued three questions at the beginning 01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:54.240 - yes and uh perhaps the last one wasn't uh answered um maybe it might not be answerable right now 01:00:54.240 --> 01:00:54.800 - but 01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:02.880 - it reads organizationally how will this transition be collectively coordinated this is post 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:13.600 - disbanding the you know the committee and and after the pslet goes away uh the post transition 01:01:13.600 --> 01:01:18.640 - revenue flows be collectively overseen on an ongoing basis i'm kind of curious about that too 01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:26.080 - jessica do you have any thoughts on that or is there going to be a a fund like this that a 01:01:26.080 --> 01:01:26.560 - committee 01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:32.720 - will uh work to make decisions about this person and so forth 01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:41.440 - we don't have any direction from the state on what we're supposed to do 01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:50.800 - um uh and i think then if we don't if we continue to not get any direction you know i think we'll 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.560 - just have to figure it out here we haven't definitely haven't put the cart before the 01:01:54.560 --> 01:02:00.080 - horse and made any decisions without talking to you guys first we don't no decisions have 01:02:00.080 --> 01:02:15.920 - been made about how to do that yeah okay thanks for uh thanks for your attention i know auditor 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.560 - gregory had popped in for a minute but it may be useful to have the auditor attend some of the 01:02:22.560 --> 01:02:28.570 - meetings on that uh as we move forward i mean clearly the county's holding the funds that are 01:02:28.570 --> 01:02:29.680 - dispersed uh to 01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:36.080 - you know as we talked about earlier um you know it may make sense now for a call from that um 01:02:36.080 --> 01:02:43.520 - and yeah i i as i i i'm sure reading a lot more guides from sbnoa and dlgf is for trying to scale 01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:51.280 - ramp down these types of committees as we've spoken to our city and county uh i don't i don't know 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:51.520 - if 01:02:51.520 --> 01:03:02.640 - the auditors attended these types of meetings in the past but it may make sense yeah thank you 01:03:02.640 --> 01:03:05.600 - that is a good idea 01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:16.960 - okay um well i just wanted to mention so i i uh was in pittsburgh for a conference a few weeks ago 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.640 - and we did a tour of the allegheny county 911 central dispatch and it was very interesting um 01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:33.600 - and just uh to put our county in perspective they have over 400 emergency service agencies in 01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:40.160 - allegheny county it's it's the county where pittsburgh is because in the state of pennsylvania or 01:03:40.160 --> 01:03:46.880 - the commonwealth of pennsylvania the emergency services have to be at the lowest governmental 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:54.480 - level so every township has their own thing going on they have over 100 different radio channels 01:03:54.480 --> 01:04:06.640 - so so consider ourselves lucky that we are not in that position it was wild um 01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:09.840 - any other other business 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:21.120 - any other comments from the public i want to thank mr ost for his comments these are all 01:04:21.120 --> 01:04:30.880 - very good questions to try to wrap our heads around as we transition out of the ps lit into 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:43.680 - the new system but i've seen no other hands raised so i think we can adjourn thank you all very 01:04:43.680 --> 01:04:44.400 - much 01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:47.920 - thank you 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:21.420 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:24.920 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.420 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:31.920 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.420 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:38.920 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.420 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:45.920 - ("Pomp and Circumstance") 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.420 - ("Pomp and Circumstance")