Well, then, I call this meeting to order of the Monroe County Public Safety Local Income Tax Council. First time the agenda is roll call introductions if someone wants to do the roll call. Typically be me. Okay. Well, I'm Scott Oldham with Elstville Town Council. Go this way. Isabel Fiedemont-Smith, Bloomington City Council. We'll go this way. Kate Wilts, Monroe County Council. Courtney Daly, Bloomington City Council. Andy Ruff, Bloomington City Council. We'll move online to Councilor Henry. David Henry, Monroe County Council. And Council Member Alvarez. Okay. I believe that's everyone, correct? All right. Now we're going to move to election of officers for this year, election of the chair, actually. Are there any nominations? I nominate Council Person Piedmont-Smith. Second. Any other nominations? Seeing none, we'll now vote. We'll go with Council Member Piedmont-Smith first. Yes. Yes for me. Yes. Yes. Yes. Gentlemen? Yes. Yes. Call it to you. Thank you. Let's go to the next one. Okay, let's do introductions of the people who are not on the committee, but are joining us today. So, we'll start with the people. Lisa Lanner, Council Attorney. Christine Chang, Council Researcher. Jessica McClellan, City Controller. Sarah Taylor, Monroe County Central Dispatch. Thank you. Thank you all for being here. Okay. So, we have an overview of local income tax rates, revenues, and distributions. Controller McClellan, would you like to speak to that? Yes. Let me bring up the packet, so we can talk about the same thing. All right. On page 13 of your packet is the Certified Income Tax Distributions for 2025. I mean, currently dispatch is being funded with $2.7 million from local income tax. The total dispatch budget is the blue spreadsheet below that. The city portion of that budget is $4.3 million. So I actually didn't do the math right here, but the part that's not covered by PSAP, 2025 PSAP lit is being covered by city reserves in the PSAP fund. So PSAP lit does not fully cover the dispatch budget. We're using city reserves, and that is a funding source identified in the interlocal agreement for dispatch that the city and the county will use their reserves to fund the dispatch center. And we do have significant reserves, and so last year we decided to do that. And that's reserves in the PSAP fund? Yes. Only reserves from PSAP lit collected over previous years. Do you happen to know the balance of that fund? I do, in general. The county fund is in the range of $2.5 million, and the city fund is -- I'm not getting to the right thing very quickly. I can look that up while you guys discuss other things, and then I just wanted to let you know that the 2026 certified lit for PSLIT, that doesn't come out until August 16th. So what we do is we estimate what we think PSLIT might be, and then we estimate what our percentage of PSAP that we would like to take from PSLIT, what we would like that to be, and then we get an estimated amount of PSAP revenue that we have to work with for 2026. And that's not something that you have to decide in this meeting, but I just wanted to -- but that's where we're headed. And in the next meeting, we'll also kind of go into more detail with that spreadsheet and percentages, and we have to wait until our next meeting because we may have units use this application that we're discussing today to apply for funding. So if this body decides to grant funding to other units, that will also affect how much PSAP we have to spend in 2026. So that's why we're not deciding that today, but it is coming down the road. >> Any questions? >> Yeah. I'm done. >> Yes. Are there questions for Comptroller McClellan? Yes. >> Can you speak a little bit to the effect that what SB1 became, this faces out in '28. So what happens to those reserves? Do they get washed into the general fund? Do they stay within a new creation of a lit fund, or how does that work? >> That has not been made clear yet. That is exactly our question, too. We are, so, for everyone else in the room, SB1 abolished the Monroe County Local Income Tax Council, then would abolish this committee, it abolishes all the different buckets of lit. There will be no PS lit, no ED lit, it's just city lit and county lit. And I think that we need to find out what happens to our PSAP reserves. And then the big question is, how do we fund the dispatch center with the local going forward? And that we will also not decide at our next meeting, but it's a conversation coming down the road. And this is in 2028 this week, or 27? It's 27. Yeah. With the city council, we'll vote on the city rate in 26 for the new lit to start in 27, I believe. So it starts at 27, not voting in 27 for 28. Correct. That's my understanding. Thank you. You're welcome. Are there other questions? The PSAP budget you mentioned is, is that the 2.781 million? Yes, PSAP lit revenue in 2025 is 2.781 million. And that does not cover the PSAP 2025 budget? Correct. About half. Okay. A little more than half. Okay. Only half. Okay. So that's the PSAP distribution component, but there's more revenue coming in. That's a very good question. What is the county, the county contributes to this budget? I didn't mention that. The first page of the packet with the blue spreadsheet, it has the actual total budget of the dispatch center, including the county's portion is 5.1 million. And the county's portion is on there in these two little purple line items, communications contract and instruction, and those come from the E-911 state fund. And that's a portion of the money, I think I have, let me see if I can get this right, I think it's the portion of the money that telecommunications providers pay into that fund as part of their contract to support 9-1-1. And it goes to supporting dispatch, which answers 9-1-1 calls. Is there any information about the stability of that revenue source? I know that's kind of outside the comfort of it. And now I'm thinking, where would we get, I would say there should be, there's an E-9-1 board. Maybe that would be the place to start a state board that is actually run by the state treasurer's office. I just feel like we can't count on anything without verifying. Give us points. I agree. Yeah. Thank you. Yes, you're welcome. I have one additional question here, I apologize. And this is a question for, I guess, clarity as opposed to argument, so I'll start there. So city and county have reserves off the PSAP fund, correct? Correct. And what originates from the PSLIT fund? Yes. They're pure PSAP dollars. Okay. But again, those are coming off of the monies that this committee has set aside over the years to fund the PSAP. Yes. Okay. So what then are Ellsville and Steinsville's reserves off of that because it comes off the top? And with all certified shares, there should be a four-way split beginning on our percentages as opposed to a two-way split. Ellsville and Steinsville, they do get PSLIT. Oh, it's because only the city and the county are eligible for the PSAP distribution because of the interlocal agreement is only between the city and the county. To run the dispatch. To run the dispatch. But you guys dispatch for Ellsville and Steinsville, too, right? They dispatch for Steinsville and Ellsville as well. And that's taken off the top of the total PSLIT rate to fund dispatch first before the distribution then occurs. So then I would argue if there are as then reserves coming off the top, there should be an Ellsville and Steinsville reserve column as well. Not that they'll go for anything other than the PSAP, but in all clarity, it should be a four-way split and what's in reserves rather than a two-way split because, again, those were reserves that were set aside off the top of the tax. It's not going to be much. No, I'm just... Particularly in comparison. PSAP, I will just, also just for clarity, PSAP funds can only be spent on the dispatch center. Right. And I guess where I was going with that is, again, for clarity rather than argument, if the city has borne the total burden out for their reserves, should it then not be a four-way split across all four categories, as opposed to one entity bearing the brunt of using their reserves in place of everybody else. So for clarity, what are those four columns, again, knowing Elis, Phil, and Steinz, we're going to be much less than what the rest of them are, but I don't want a 20-years-from-now somebody goes back and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, time out, where'd all that money go? Particularly if it gets washed back into general funds later. Yeah. Which I hope it doesn't. A follow-up question to that for me, for the group, is do Elis, Phil, and Steinz go pay anything to dispatch? Yes. That's PSLIT. They pay PSLIT. It was originally thought-- That was not clear. Well, it was originally constructed that PSLIT, or the PSAP, would be funded out of PSLIT first before we did anything else, and that money then comes off the top. Otherwise, it would be revenue split four ways based on the formula under law. Yes. And then after PSAP comes off the top, then PSLIT is split four ways. Right. I'm sorry. Just for my clarity, Ellitsville pays something, like on an annual basis pays something to-- Nobody pays anything except through PSLIT. Through PSLIT. And then what is chosen to be funded, like they have the certified PSAP, as I just looked at, those monies, those only come to the county because the county is the recipient of those dollars from the state. There is no mechanism for the city or the town or the other town to receive those monies. Right. Right. So I get it's complicated, I just don't want to see one of us absorbing something in, in all reality it means nothing. Yeah. For now. For now. But if it all gets washed back, or if it all gets moved someplace else, then we're gonna have a lot of arguments in the end that I'd rather address now while we're in the formative stage, rather than doing it later when we're trying to play catch up ball, if that makes any sense at all to everybody. I think that, obviously don't, the owl hanging upside down is hilariously distracting. Sorry. We're waiting for it to fall. Right, it's, the, I forgot my point, it was so distracting, that's ridiculous. If things are going away in terms of buckets of lit, and we're still going to have an income or a revenue source directly related to this amount, this levy, this tax, so our internal budgeting could still, I mean it says wash into general fund, but if it did that, I assume that you would set up specific funds. See that's something we never anticipated from the state was, we're funding this off the top, so it's an equitable split amongst everybody. So what happens when this committee goes away? You can't fund it off the top of our whole, when you roll them together as public safety lit and economic development lit, because we'll have three or four separate versions of that so you can't fund it off the top of those. So how do we even do that? Percentage. We'll have to have interlocal agreements. There won't be a percentage. There won't be. Dedicated to dispatch. Yeah. So again, that's. And if Alexville, then it'd be good to have an interlocal that includes all of the units that dispatch supports. Well, yeah, and again, even the ones that are not municipalities are being supported because they're taxing it in amongst themselves. We'll have to address that at some point or at least contemplate what we're going to do. Well, Scott, as the head of Alexville town council, can you find out if there are piece that preserves their no, because they would be with this committee, just like cities is and the counties is it's coming off of this committee. And because the city manages the dispatch center for the county in Ellsville and everybody else. Oh, because it's the piece that right not the shares. Yeah. He said only comes to the city in the county. And it can only be spent on dispatch dispatch. I would know that. See, but going down the road, I mean, when we start looking at one, but a term user fees to set up dispatch, okay, so now Monroe Fire is going to have to start kicking in substantially because they're now the bulk of the county other than, you know, the municipalities. For emergency services, what are we doing about the ambulance service, because they're a private entity. Are we dispatching for them for free, or are they going to have to pay. All of these things are questions that I don't think the state really anticipated when they contemplated doing away with PS and economic development, pushing them together because there's no mechanism for us to skim off the top, as we're doing right now. It may make the whole process a little bit more equitable to include all those people into the, you know, to the revenue sources because you are supporting all of those entities. Then the question becomes, however, what if you have a municipality who can't afford it? Right, right, right. Who supplements? Right. So, again, I'm just throwing questions out there that we're going to have to address at some point. But this is the PSLIT committee. This isn't the dispatch board. I just want to point that out. Who does make that decision, you know? Maybe it's a different committee. It could be. It could be the same people in this room, but yeah, because this could go away. It could be the same people in this room, but I think it may be a different committee. I'm just asking because we, at this point, not control, but are responsible for the reserves that are going into those funds. It seems like we're missing two funds, that there should have been donations or remnants put into those. So would that, would the the public safety distribution, the PSAP distribution for Ellisville and Steinsville, so the 268,000 and the 1,300, would those have, those have gone into what the county received? No, they go directly to those entities. Oh, I don't know where, no, because like saying the reserves, so say we set aside a million dollars, I know the number is wrong, for dispatch, but they only spend 700,000 of it. What's been happening is 150 has gone to the city and 150 has gone to the county as reserves. Well, what are the other two entities? Where are their reserves? Because they push money into this pile to begin with as well. So it should have been based on that percentages. So the city's 50%, the county's 40%, Ellisville's 10%, Steinsville's 2% should have received in silos so we could track it easier over the years. But no one ever thought that it would matter. Now it's saying it matters. Yeah. Is it 50/50 between county and city? It doesn't look like it. No, not at the percentages. So what's supposed to happen is the city is supposed to receive all of the dispatch, or all of the PSAP because we have the majority of the expenses. I mean, it's not our money, it's still just lit and we get the money so that we can pay all the bills. We have all the salaries. We have all the expenses. Just because this interlocal decided it would be easier that way instead of really splitting it 50/50 and asking you to pay half the people and you to pay half the people and then there being this argument about who dispatches for who. So we try to get that out of the clear of that issue and then have all of the lit revenue come to the city. I don't know why, really why the county has a balance in the PSAP fund because I always thought that all of the PSAP was supposed to come to the city, we spend what we need to and then we don't, whatever we don't spend stays in the PSAP fund and then we always share that information. It's in the interlocal. We share that information with the county every year. How much did we spend? What is our reserves? So that every, all the players know what the reserves are. Which would make sense. Yes. Yes. Just to, I don't have the entire answer as to why the county has that but I believe it has to do with the county being responsible for some of the supplies capital kind of expenditure as opposed to the operations expenditures. So that, I know that in the past we've had those discussions on council. Yes. And things have changed over time. They aren't now like they were when this started. So I think that I, what you're saying does sound familiar but I don't know the details cause it was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. I didn't even want to bring that up because I didn't want to cast dispersions on the county that you have money that you shouldn't. But the way it's working now it doesn't entirely, you know, it doesn't seem like the county should be keeping PSAP money, it should all come to the city to pay for the dispatch center that we all use. But that's also not something that isn't really an issue. It's not an issue. It's just, I'm happy with the way the county is doing it. Yeah, and I don't know, I don't know the answers to that. I don't feel like, I mean, obviously it can only be spent on PSAP, so. Yeah. That's why it's not an issue. It doesn't, it's fine. Yeah. It can only be spent on the dispatch center. We should probably just clarify some things. Again, I'm just worried at the future. What happens then? To me, it's irrelevant right now. Yes. And it's irrelevant, quite frankly, in the future to me, but to somebody else it may be relevant. Yes. So things to clarify as we move along to the post-PSLIP phase. Now Jessica, there was an additional distribution of PSAP funds, right, or PSLIP funds. Only of PSLIP, the county said that the supplemental LIP wasn't in our budget for dispatch and that they would keep it. That's what I was told, and that's why we didn't get it. But we got certified shares. We got PSLIP, and we got certified shares, and we got EDLIP, we just didn't get PSAP. Okay, so I just want to make sure that everybody on the committee is aware that there was an additional distribution for PSAP, it all went to the county. Do we know how much that was? 215,685. And so that's not appropriated, right? Correct. That goes into the reserves? Correct. So just something to keep in mind. How do those supplemental distributions come about? Every county lit has a trust fund with the state because they're collecting income taxes after they estimate what your lit is going to be, and sometimes the income taxes that they collect come in at more than what they estimated. They keep all that extra lit in a trust fund, and when the trust fund gets above 15 percent of a certain balance, which is a certain percentage of your city and county, blah, blah, blah, then they distribute it to you as a supplemental distribution to keep the trust fund balance low or under a certain threshold. And so the certified shares, like the city got almost 1.2 million certified shares, that's also not appropriated, but available for appropriation this year, right? Correct. Something to keep in mind for city council and county council because I'm sure you all have distributed shares in Ellisville as well. Any other questions for the controller on this? Okay. Well, let's move on to hear from Sarah Taylor, Director of Civilian Operations with Central Dispatch on how the expenditures are going and whether there are big plans that will need investment next year. >> We are on track with our spending for this year for what we projected from last year. We had a lot of big projects that are happening this year, which increased the budget significantly for 2025. We're replacing 22 of our consulates in the radio room. That helps us still communicate with everyone in the field if our landline connection were to go down, and then we need to replace our second UPS, that's a glorified surge protector for all of our equipment to the generator. When we're thinking about next year, we don't have a lot of those huge expenditures. There's not huge equipment that we need to replace quite yet. So while we do see the pay likely, the personnel pay is going to increase due to the city's new pay structure, we do have some contracts that are falling off or significantly decreasing because we are not having these large capital expenses or because the first year of the budget was much more significant because we had a GIS portion or some other portion that needed replacement in that first year. All of our contracts are going to be in the second year or farther along than that. I'm speaking kind of in generics, not being real specific today because the Dispatch Policy Board has not met to approve our proposed budget. That's going to happen on June 26th for a special session. At our next meeting, I'm happier to get more into the nitty-gritty and detailed of what Dispatch's needs are for 2026. >> Any questions for Ms. Taylor? How are you as far as having positions filled? Are they -- I know that last year we had many vacancies. Is that improving? >> It is not improved yet. Unfortunately, we still have about the same vacancy rate as last year. We are focused on filling our Dispatch supervisor roles that have historically been vacant since those FTEs were allotted, I believe, three or four years ago before my stint here. Those positions are open. We've got a training supervisor position open internally and three Dispatch supervisor positions open right now. We hope to fill those really quickly within the next month or two. Once we address those supervisor positions and get those filled, then we will open another telecommunications process as well, the Dispatchers. >> I'm sorry to hear that it's been hard to get and keep employees. >> It's a national problem, unfortunately. >> It's a difficult job. Any other questions? All right. Thank you for that update. We can move on to review of the guidelines and application form for potential applicants among emergency service providers that are not funded by county, city, or Ellitsville governments. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot the little asterisks. We have an opportunity for public comment on the short report from Ms. Taylor on the central dispatch expenditures. Would anybody from the public want to comment on that topic? There's nobody here in the McCloskey room except for cats. Thank you. Any hands raised online? It looks like there's some questions in the chat. So he asks how will the city and county coordinate in the ramp up on the repeal of PSLIT designation? Okay, we did talk about that somewhat. Further, how will the 2008 effective combined lit structure and per municipality apportionment requirements tend to influence the collaborative fiduciary needs such as dispatch? Those are big questions that will need to be addressed. Who is that? All right, but I don't see any hands raised to make public comment on the unified central dispatch expenditures. So we can move on to review of the guidelines and application form for other emergency service providers. The form was in the packet, are there any, did anybody notice anything that might need to be revised other than the dates and Stephen Lucas' contact information? My recollection is last year we did not have applications, is that correct? I think so. We didn't have any submitted. We have to allow them to do it and no one chose to submit. And my hazy recollection is that people did not submit because the writing was pretty clear that we were not having a lot of extra to distribute. So relative to that are we in the same situation? Personally I would say yes because everybody else who is able to submit also has their own tax supported entity to go through to get there. So looking at the form just on the top of the second page it says the committee reviewed its guidelines and made changes reflecting changes made to state law. So I guess we can take that out since we're just keeping whatever that was. And then I wanted to double check whether the September 1st deadline is still accurate in the last paragraph. I believe that's still accurate. So that does put us in a position to really have to estimate because we won't have the numbers until August 16th but that only leaves two weeks to have this committee meet and have the members of the tax council approve any changes. So really we need to make a decision before we have those numbers as usual. Okay well I didn't see anything to revise here, anybody else? Now the meatier part of this is the guidelines which start on page 11. And this may be Councillor Wills what you were talking about that maybe they looked at this and we're like it doesn't look very promising because we do talk about number two there the committee will only consider funding expenditures for demonstrated urgent one-time emergency needs so that's pretty limiting and then combined with all these other guidelines it is it is rather narrow I think what these guidelines would have us consider. But we are here to talk about the guidelines so I'm open to. Yeah it's this is just what the what this council has done from honestly first year on I'm not sure how many years that is now is that we saw I think the first year we had 10 applications and it all seemed to revolve around one individual topic at the time which was SCBAs so we decided to fund those because those weren't urgent life-threatening priority but then we were also getting things like oh I want to pick up truck or I want to trailer I want to it got into kind of wish list items that we had to pick through versus at the time the the committee decided no we're not going to do wish list we're going to do what is what what benefits the entire county right now and at that point in time it was the SCBAs the breathing apparatus I think another time we did fund a tanker because again it was an immediate need that benefited the entire region of the county but combing through the wish list items that quite frankly were better put in a budget a yearly budget or plan for the yearly budget seem to make more sense to the count to the group assembled group than asking for the entire county to fund one wish list item for one entity that didn't benefit everybody also when we started in 2016 there were a lot more fire departments now they've most of them have unified under the fire protection district so there's there's I would argue that led to better planning on further budgets and they have to apply before july 1st okay um oh um sorry counselor that's all right yeah it's those same things so i'm going off scott's point i mean i'm looking at two and five and trying to square a circle so let's use the scuba or the that device for example that's a one-time urgent emergency need purchase and we're talking about a resource that usually has an end of life right like that equipment will expire out for safety reasons like does that then negate if someone would come back and say look you know we bought a piece of equipment one time use and now it's end of life we have to dispose of it so we're coming back to replace that urgent use but it is now a uh yeah number five basically disqualifying it's almost disqualifying it it's not a news it's um it's using the source of funding to replace something that was urgent one-time use does that strike folks as sort of um let me give you a little clarity on that there had been a rule change um i want to say it was with osha about how long the air tanks could actually be in service that caught a lot of the fire department's flat-footed so they weren't able to budget ahead of time and buy x number per year to get there and we had several providers emergency service providers that just simply did not have the tax base or the funding capabilities to get those scbas back in service it caught everybody pretty quickly flat-footed that they couldn't afford to do the numbers they needed so we funded as a county okay i hear that i guess i guess and that's fine for that example but yeah it's the boots and suits problem of things that you purchase that are urgent for a moment that do have a shelf life and then if it is a one-time purchase versus a um something we wouldn't budget for routinely and i mean pandemic stuff falls in this category you know um you know if there are pharmaceuticals that have a shelf life that that are past their use or you know the authorized use um i don't want to contour all the possible resources i'm just trying to wrap my head around at what point this five get in the way of number two on this list or something if an agency were trying to use this resource i might be alone on that that's okay well number five does say prefers yeah i mean i yeah so it's almost yeah i mean that seems like an admonition or a warning like don't bother but i hear what you're saying whereas number two is more stark yeah yeah it's like um a lot of rules sometimes and i haven't been on the committee for a long time but sometimes you see rules and you're like something happened and that's why that's there wouldn't be a rule that's right i'm wondering that's the point that we've consolidated the fire protection district that does resonate with me maybe a fewer units that are competing now so that that does that does change things slightly in my opinion just throwing out there that the county did all of us recently experienced an emergency from the tornadoes and i'm wondering if there is an application of funds that we would consider relative to expenses made around that response i mean would that be inappropriate so it'd be things that had already been expended perhaps or in preparation for a similar event in the future i don't know i'm just kind of thinking out loud it's a terrible happen well it's not a bad idea and i'm kind of curious uh scott oldham if you have some views on this so um you know if we had a situation where we're not going to meet a threshold for state or federal disaster relief right and yet we still expended resources locally but we're not going to get reimbursed for those from a state or federal pool because you know the disaster wasn't large enough if that would be something that would qualify though i'm trying to wrap my head around what that would be i mean overtime is one of those things right but that's not a tangible good again i can only speak to what we funded in the past where we were you know from beginning we never funded any personal cost because those those were recurring and quite frankly even in this instance and i understand what you're saying we would be providing monies six to eight months after the fact for something that should have been absorbed in the budget some other way now i think your your point though is if we identified a piece of equipment that we needed that would benefit the entire county in a disaster sure let's talk about that did we need a crane did we need a this did we need a whatever else but then the question you've got to ask yourself is where does that asset belong where does it go and does it fit within what we're funding so again would a crane be better purchased by city county or ellisville highway department because it would get used more than once every 20 years hopefully never used or does it belong with the fire department where it just sits and does nothing for 15 20 years so you know where is that capability i can tell you from our most recent experience thank god there wasn't a substantial amount of equipment needed that was not already present in daily use this this would be more like losing apparatus right right yeah yeah if you had something where you had a fire truck you know again pick one of them two engines get destroyed yeah that's an urgent need that benefits everybody so i would say yeah that's absolutely fun that one but that's kind of outside the purview of even the monies we have off of this here but just to carry that forward then something that would equipment wise enhance coordination and communication in a similar incident might be eligible sure yeah didn't we fund uh new radios for some of the we did township fire departments so everybody had repeaters yes and mdts yes so that way throughout the entire county everybody's functioning on the same system with the same capabilities and in fact i don't know the boy with the city everybody they may have but the outer line fire departments were equipped with repeaters as they got further and further away from the base station so that they could use the the radio channels appropriately yeah that's a really good use and again being due to the committee um i'm getting education but yeah the the repeater purchase makes a lot of sense to me so i understand that oh that's paid off over the years several times yeah yeah 100 do we have guidance to provide potential applicants on the amount they should target in their requests don't know that we ever had what we provided we're going to spend this or whatever else because again anything we grant comes off the top entire ps lid becomes second after dispatch in preparing for this meeting i've not seen any document that provided guidance of that nature in most of my first first ps lit most of the time we've done this the committee directed the purchase and paid for it directly rather than giving the money to the entity it was like the scbas we bought in mass and i remember who was dedicated to doing that or the mdt's or the radio systems that was money set at that point to dispatch to fund out of their own item right about the time they disband this committee i'll understand how it works so is there any appetite to revise these guidelines or add anything to them so it's it's it's it's a confusion point that we don't think the agencies have an understanding of the array of things that could apply for or is it really because i mean part of me after hearing the little of this is thinking about just how you know i'm going to talk law enforcement here for a second but like how the nims or the national and financial system process would identify like a resource type list and say well but things are on the resource list that typically fire ems or first responders use like that's the kind of stuff that be eligible is there is there an appetite to create like an example list based on stuff that we know our resources that public safety might bring to us so we can wrap our heads around it doesn't seem abstract or or folks i'm okay with either way having examples of things or just sticking with this is fine especially you know we might be adding more to this guideline than complicating does anyone have an opinion about examples of things to maybe trigger some applications or not i guess i would be concerned if we make a list of examples then we'll get a request for those things even if they're not needed or pressing and i mean i think honestly my questions are coming from a point of i'm still learning about the process and most of the folks who would be applying probably are more familiar than i am with what would count and what would work in terms of the process how many uh qualified service providers are there now who could apply do we know so there's the modern fire protection district obviously what maybe i'll rely on deputy chief aldem and not knowing what three maybe four so is washington township still have their own no it's been actually fully come into the district yet are they still pending i know they were intending but i don't know what their actual moving moving date is and then you have um beam blossom fire steinsville fire that's that's still out there on their own um is steinsville uh beam blossom that's not the same thing yes yes they're currently in discussions with two parties that may result in some acquisition of services so i don't really want to speak to that because it's still ongoing but it's out there in the public that they are entertaining some things uh oh richard carter has joined us welcome mr carter uh there are four bloomington blue city ellsville fire beam blossom okay of the fire department so too that also emergency medical service provider but again when it talks about from a political subdivision our emergency service medical provider is a private entity so they are not eligible they've never tried i don't know the committee's ever answered that question yeah it must be operated by or serve well it serves you know it's not under contract bias is not under contract to this county in any form or fashion uh bloomington hospital service iu health hospital sorry um it used to be um but no longer is this well it says as defined by code and so maybe there's yeah more to it than that okay so back to the operated diet or sorry a public subdivision so yeah sorry i'm catching up so it doesn't it wouldn't count as serving a subdivision because there's no agreement uh and they would have to make a case we've never answered that question because they've never they've never applied yeah cross-separation if we get to it i think that question's come up every year shows how much i remember i ask it every year no no i mean it's something we've discussed a lot in it we've never had to push it to legal department because they've never said hey we'd like to apply yeah it describes the last five minutes conversation from the tape i'm just i mean i think it's an interesting discussion you know if we wanted to take bs lit money off the top and fund an ambulance service specific to the company that would be different um but that's not something that i don't know we can even do by interlocal agreement because this was designed for the piece out not for beyond that and it's going away seems right right so i'm hearing no suggestions to change our guidelines okay well um we can go to the public is there any member of the public who would like to speak about the application form or the guidelines for applicants all right seeing none we will move on to uh schedule would the committee then need to vote on the application and guidelines oh yes if so i have um a proposed motion that you could consider and that would be a motion to approve the document entitled public safety local income tax committee of monreal county local income tax council application and guidelines last revised june 13 2024 with the following changes removing the paragraph at the top of page two and updating the dates and contact information within it thank you miss laner would anybody like to make that motion so moved second all right it's been moved and seconded to approve the application and guidelines with a few revisions as discussed um let's do a roll call um council member ruff yes council member daily yes councilor wilkes yes deputy chief oh i should know you're here roll sorry council member aldo yes uh councilor henry yes and council member rolla yes thank you that motion passes and you oh and i vote yes all right forgot to call on myself okay so now we can move on to a matter of schedule and trying to uh schedule our next meeting so the the deadline will be for the applications will be june 30th which i believe is on monday um so uh within a couple weeks of that date we should try to schedule another meeting um by then we will also have the central dispatch budget proposal um so maybe look at the week of july 14th is anybody going to be totally unavailable that week not necessarily okay definitely that friday i'm totally available oh what about another tuesday at noon on july 15th does that work for people and for staff as well i'll give everybody a minute to look at their calendars yeah that doesn't work for me no it doesn't is it because of noon or tuesday or it's that day it's what about monday the 14th okay sorry thursday the 17th that would work for me yeah thursday's actually the best day of the week i mean not that i'm the star of the show yes you are um so so the new proposal is thursday july 17th at noon um and for those online those committee members online feel free to chime in if that does not work works for me thanks it does okay it's fine mr carter does that oh gotcha just always know very good and it works for staff and uh yay we got a date um so i don't know if we should schedule a third meeting um it's probably better to schedule it in case we need it i agree so oh what about the following thursday the 24th i'll be out of state i will also be out of state actually actually oh well it's getting close then if we're going to make any changes there's not a lot of time for the the voting bodies to react it's it's my understanding that the reaction would come from city council primarily right because of the way the votes are distributed and it needs to be done by august 1st no the the so if we propose a change in the proportion that goes to psap then the monter county tax council which is comprised of the bodies of the three governments need to approve that change by september 1st so yeah and since most of the votes or majority of the votes are with the city council so if we met july 28th would that be enough time looking at miss laner and and potentially because we do have a meeting august 6 but then wait august 6 and 13 no only august 6 and then yes that's it it's just the beginning of august that's the only meeting we have in august because then we have our two weeks of budget hearings well that would be cutting it close but i don't see unless we move the first meeting earlier i don't see how you could just set it because we may not need it we may not need it well council city council also has a regular session scheduled on july 30th i don't know if that so how does july 28th look for everybody it's a monday somebody said monday's bad well i don't know i guess we'll start with noon i couldn't make it for noon well unless i was able to do online but i could make it for noon 30 i have a meeting that ends right at noon that Monday so how does 12 30 on july 28th look i may have to be remote for them okay but you would be available yes works for me who said that richard okay thank you does that work for everybody here in the room wonderful and mr henry he gave a thumbs up he did okay good yes as as an aside we would need at least four committee members physically present to support people attending electronically right for both of these as an fyi and no more than two virtual in the room right and right nobody can attend virtually through more than two times in a row andy did you have something no i can be in person okay uh is that that would be sufficient for our meetings going forward right may i add something yes of course if a committee member wants to attend participate in the meeting electronically it would help in terms of interpreting the open door law or identifying any issues if you could send an email to to me in advance then i can identify any problems potentially work those out before the meeting thank you and again the 17th meeting was in new yes july 17th afternoon july 28th at 12 30 right here i'll schedule it somewhere in single okay um there is an asterisk here so we will take public comment on schedule anybody in the public want to comment on what we've just scheduled don't see any hands going up so we will move on to other business does anybody have any other business i would just say i was i was oh i'm sorry councilmember member rollo go ahead yeah i got a text um this is from air ghost and he had issued three questions at the beginning yes and uh perhaps the last one wasn't uh answered um maybe it might not be answerable right now but it reads organizationally how will this transition be collectively coordinated this is post disbanding the you know the committee and and after the pslet goes away uh the post transition revenue flows be collectively overseen on an ongoing basis i'm kind of curious about that too jessica do you have any thoughts on that or is there going to be a a fund like this that a committee will uh work to make decisions about this person and so forth we don't have any direction from the state on what we're supposed to do um uh and i think then if we don't if we continue to not get any direction you know i think we'll just have to figure it out here we haven't definitely haven't put the cart before the horse and made any decisions without talking to you guys first we don't no decisions have been made about how to do that yeah okay thanks for uh thanks for your attention i know auditor gregory had popped in for a minute but it may be useful to have the auditor attend some of the meetings on that uh as we move forward i mean clearly the county's holding the funds that are dispersed uh to you know as we talked about earlier um you know it may make sense now for a call from that um and yeah i i as i i i'm sure reading a lot more guides from sbnoa and dlgf is for trying to scale ramp down these types of committees as we've spoken to our city and county uh i don't i don't know if the auditors attended these types of meetings in the past but it may make sense yeah thank you that is a good idea okay um well i just wanted to mention so i i uh was in pittsburgh for a conference a few weeks ago and we did a tour of the allegheny county 911 central dispatch and it was very interesting um and just uh to put our county in perspective they have over 400 emergency service agencies in allegheny county it's it's the county where pittsburgh is because in the state of pennsylvania or the commonwealth of pennsylvania the emergency services have to be at the lowest governmental level so every township has their own thing going on they have over 100 different radio channels so so consider ourselves lucky that we are not in that position it was wild um any other other business any other comments from the public i want to thank mr ost for his comments these are all very good questions to try to wrap our heads around as we transition out of the ps lit into the new system but i've seen no other hands raised so i think we can adjourn thank you all very much thank you ("Pomp and 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