- Okay, it is 5 o'clock good afternoon everybody welcome to the redevelopment commission meeting of
- June 2nd 2025
- We will start the meeting with a roll call, please
- Cease camera Larry here Randy Cassidy here John West here Debra Meyerson here
- We have staff present, please
- You know, Gillian Hansen director of housing and neighborhood development
- Christina Binley and department
- I'm a casual and partner Jane Coopersman economic and sustainable development just come forward
- And we'll finish our roll call for the RDC
- Lord McRobbie
- Here. Thank you. Any other city staff that we didn't get to with the final RDC
- copper engineer
- Julie's Mitchell, sorry, who's our new staff member in office?
- And then we have Jeff Jackson our transportation demand manager as well, okay, excellent. Thank you
- everybody and welcome
- so
- On our agenda this evening. We have the minutes from May 5th, 2025
- Do we have any questions or comments from commissioners? If not, I'll entertain a motion
- so moved
- First in a second all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed?
- motion passes unanimously
- Next on our agenda is the claim registers to claim it. Sorry claim register. Just one
- We've got two payroll registers the claim register is May 23rd, 2025 any questions or comments from
- commissioners?
- Quick question or comment just for the general public in regards in 686 the Habitat for Humanity of
- Monroe County
- That's supplementary down payment of 20,000
- Is that just to assist in the purchase of the homes for the medium income and that's a
- Program that is monitored through Habitat
- or through Habitat we administer several of those programs at the end of
- 2024
- There was some additional supplemental money that we allowed
- gave in a grant to Habitat for these additional seven additional down payments because some of
- their
- Habitat funding had dried up. So I do believe that that was one of those particular instances
- So there's still some money that's being allocated so we can get people
- we have a significant number of
- Allocations available for down payment and closing cost assistance not just for that particular
- program
- But I believe that there's at least three programs that have funding available
- So we if you can buy house in Bloomington, we have money
- You have money to assist those people that need it so we can try to get more people house
- That's right. And then this year we are also this is a little bit outside of your purview
- But we are piloting an interest rate by let buy down program as well to incentivize that locked
- golden handcuffs element of the market
- encourage some turnover and
- some additional programs as well, so
- Appreciate that just want people to know that these things are available. They are can't get people
- housed
- They are see Cody Toothman in my office
- The next next quick question is 393 on Coney is that for our parking garage on
- West eight or is that for a shower? Which page are you beyond page four of seven?
- 393 and Christine I apologize for not emailing. That's okay ahead of time. Yeah, that's for showers
- last shares west. Okay, so that'll be a
- Continuation of service that occurs over a period of time as long as we still as long as the RDC
- owns that building we do
- Need to make sure that that elevator is operational Coney is who we contracted for for that work
- It was underneath of the $5,000 maintenance threshold
- So you guys did not need to approve it prior to their work
- So yeah, unfortunately, that is our responsibility. Yeah, just an
- Elevator wise says just ask question
- There's other areas in the city or RDC islands that may fall into us from a maintenance standpoint.
- That is correct
- Okay
- The other
- Questions or comments from commissioners on the plans register for me 23rd 2025. If not, I want
- motion, please
- Second the first and the second on favor say aye. Aye. Aye any opposed motion passes unanimously
- Thank you next on our agenda examination of payroll registers
- We've got two of these May 2nd and May 16th of 2025. Any questions or comments from commissioners
- on either of these documents?
- Move for approval. We have a motion that we have a second second
- What a motion is second all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye any opposed motion passes unanimously
- Next our agenda is the report of officers and committees. I'd like to invite the hand director for
- a report. I do have a short report
- Last time we met I did tell you that we were expecting our allocations from HUD in mid-may. We did
- receive them
- They were not significantly cut which is wonderful
- for a community development block grant we got
- 778 thousand two hundred and ninety three dollars. The previous year was only seven hundred and
- ninety five thousand. So
- Seven hundred and seventy eight thousand two hundred and ninety three seven seven eight two nine
- three
- And in twenty four the allocation was seven nine five seven four three. So not a significant cut
- for home partnership
- It was five hundred and thirty nine nine hundred and in the previous year. It was five sixty five
- eight of four
- So fairly nominal in the world of the federal government right now. We were relieved
- The other thing to note is that the consolidated plan draft is now out for public notice
- That is available in hard copy both here at City Hall and at the library
- And it will be online as well if anybody wants to take a look at it
- It's a pretty lengthy document, but it outlines how HUD funding should be spent for the next five
- years
- Provided we receive any
- So that's something to note that will be coming to you
- Likely in a resolution on the 16th and then it will be going to City Council on July 17th
- in addition
- The hand department had our second neighborhood cleanup of 2025 in Sherwood Oaks this past weekend.
- It was very busy
- It was a great cleanup. We had I think three full metal trucks
- Yeah, which is surprising and it was wonderful. So we did some good work there
- We are planning on having an executive session on June 17th at 430
- You should have received a calendar invite for that, but just to keep you
- Notified and then I would like to discuss with you guys if you want to move the July 7th meeting to
- June 30th
- When I had sent out some information via email to see if that would date was available
- We do have a quorum if you want to move it just because that's the 4th of July weekend
- We don't have to we can leave it right where it is
- But if you would prefer we can grab that on the June 30th as opposed to July 7th
- And then also just to note
- Hand department has now started processing all TIF claims
- So independent individual departments will not be processing their own TIF claims
- Even if they have a resolution that's approved. They will all be sort of funneled through our
- team here
- Two questions one
- The online copy of the consolidated plan. Is that just if you go to the hand website, it's just
- there
- Yes, okay
- And then the second is if we were to discuss moving that July 7th meaning to June 30th
- Do you want to wait to do that at the end another other business?
- I think so just to keep you give you a heads up. Okay. Thank you
- Any other questions or comments from commissioners on the directors report?
- The only question I got regards to it is and I know you can't don't have a crystal ball or an eight
- ball
- Right. What's what's our thought process that the government will or will not or is it just who
- knows I?
- mean, you know as much as I do based on the news, but what we have been notified is that in the
- President would like to zero out CDBG and home in 2026
- This is not the first time he said that thinks that it's better administered by the local and state
- governments
- We don't know what that looks like. It may or may not happen
- Ultimately, Congress will have those purse strings. So
- Yeah, right right now be grateful that we got what we have. That's right
- If there's nothing else for the dressers report do we have a legal report
- So any questions on your hands. Thank you a treasurer's report
- The report that is in your packet begins on page 25
- This is a report
- Put together by reading financial group who assists us with financial analysis throughout the year
- The basis information for this report is all of the general ledger detail from all of the claims
- that have been processed
- for the RDC through March 2025
- Reedy took that information and sorted it and labeled it in
- By project and sorted it into these tables that they have created to give you kind of a summary of
- that information
- So if you go to page, it's page 28 of the packet
- It is a title just overview. It's town overview Bloomington Redevelopment Commission
- 2025 claims
- that is just a
- total list of all the claims and the description that
- Reedy added to each one of those claims describing the project
- And then the next page of that report is titles page 29 titled financials and that puts those
- Those claims into January February in March in that table
- where it is against the cash balance of the tip fund and
- The rest of those amounts in that table are based off of the budget that the that the RDC approved
- that was required to be submitted to the DLGF and that we
- That the RDC created as sort of a all possibilities all possibilities of spending was put into that
- budget
- It was a very high amount of spending and we didn't intend to ever spend that up that much
- But that those amounts have been divided into the remaining months
- And so again, we don't expect to spend that amount but actual spending will be filled into this
- chart throughout the year
- And there's also an estimate for what will be spent in twenty twenty six and it is on the high side
- assuming that we have
- Approved a budget for twenty twenty six that gives us all of the possibilities for maximum spending
- should anything come up that you want to do
- That gives you the flexibility to do it if it's in that budget that we submitted to DLGF
- So I'm going to move on to the next page. It's page 30
- It's it's page. Oh, there's not a page. No, it's a page six of nine
- In the reading financial report page six of nine called 30 in page 30 of your packet, right? My bad
- The next is the same table for the North Kinser Pike allocation area and we haven't had any
- expenses out of that area and
- Then page 31 of the packet page seven of nine of the report is
- all those different categories
- summarized in this table
- And so it has revenues at the top
- When we're going to see we're going to receive TIF later this month TIF revenue later this month
- It's got our actual revenues in the second
- in the fourth column
- And it has our actual capital outlays below that divided by 1st Street 17th Street our largest one
- being Hopewell at
- 555,000
- Park improvements 87,000
- and
- Then we have debt payments below that
- And other services and charges means things like either
- Services not capital outlays services to a building repairs that kind of thing
- Then on the next page we have the same sort of report for the north Kinser Pike out Pike allocation
- area
- That allocation area expires next year in 2026 and we aren't doing any
- Spending right now out of that and we are assuming no revenue in the future
- But we will get revenue in there this year and we can't talk about possible projects
- Go ahead. No, well, I'll go back and ask questions when we start. Okay, sounds good. And
- then let's see and here page 9 of 9 is
- Just the list of the outstanding debt obligations that the RDC has in the different names of those
- debts
- And the projects aren't that these debts funded are not included
- I can just update you that we have the two garages the
- Garage on Morton Street and the garage on at 7th and Walnut. Those are the first two garages
- the solar project lease agreement
- That is just our portion our outs the RDC's outstanding portion of a larger amount of debt that's
- divided between
- RDC CBU and parks
- the next one the refunding of the
- The TIF bonds refunded in 2017 that was for the certified tech park
- And then the last three are the bonds for the trades district garage and the 4th Street garage
- Yes, let's see here
- A1 I'm pretty sure
- The 12 12.8 million is a trades garage
- The 10.5 is the trades garage and the 27.5 million is the 4th Street garage
- Yeah, these trade three bonds but two garages the trades district garage had a taxable
- bond and a tax-exempt bond
- Because there is
- Taxable property the least least property is not for public use and so it has to be bonded with a
- taxable. Yeah
- We plan to do this every quarter
- This is part of the
- Just kind of summarization services that really offered us and that you expressed interest in if
- you just
- We will just keep doing it until we are told not to you. It's great to know it's helpful. Okay.
- Thank you
- And I'm ready for any questions
- Page three of nine in the report Dana is listed as working for care law PC
- Thanks for catching that we will get that corrected good catch
- We would miss you. Yeah
- That's very got keep it right
- Yeah, so on four of nine on readings where we go and just a quick question in regards to
- When I look at the two point six million on the expenditures is that indicating on the twenty
- twenty five claims so far to date?
- We've spent
- Approximately with the refunding the bond is just an interest payment and then the principal
- payment the refund of the bond
- Which our bond reef, oh I see what you're saying, yeah
- Yeah, that is a
- Yeah, that is the total payment divided into the principal and the interest for the twenty twenty
- four refunding bonds
- Those refunded the 2015 TIF bonds. Okay, those TIF bonds built switch yard park
- And I think that TIF bond is missing from the final table on page nine nine
- That's what I was curious because it showed showed we had only spent like six hundred thousand
- dollars so far this year
- I couldn't quite get to that number
- So that that just needs to be added to the table. Yes, it does. Okay
- Okay, that's the switch yard bond
- Yes
- So that'll add another one point six two five
- Okay
- Let's see next question in regards to our five of nine
- Just curious where it says other charges other services of charge
- Is that just where we allocate it accordingly based on what we think our budget will be just spread
- it out over the months. Oh
- Yeah, yeah, because we don't we don't know what they are, right? But we just put money in in case
- there are other things
- Exactly, okay. It's just don't fall into capital outlays or debt payments
- Okay, that works and then as we start looking at the overall, you know beginning cash balance and
- down where we're showing ourselves
- Into a deficit in 2026. Is that just because of the standard outlay of allocations based on
- spreading it throughout the year?
- Yes, just based on that huge budget that we set to give yourselves maximum flexibility
- Okay, we don't intend to spend okay
- So that's one of those we need to look at that on a quarterly basis to say, okay
- We don't want to spend ourselves into a deficit situation, right?
- But we've got it allocated that with maximum accordingly. We've got it allocated to match that
- budget budget. Okay, and that gives us the maximum
- Okay
- You answered the the Kinser Pike TIF since it looks as though there's going to be a little bit of
- dollars left over in that
- What do we do on that is set something where we start now trying to plan ahead to look at a project
- that particular or would
- That be like the certified
- Yeah, forgive me
- Certified tech no the way no the bonds that got moved the money that got moved
- Okay, can that be moved into other budget area? Does that mean spit in that particular TIF area? So
- we look at now
- We've got something prior to May
- Right. Okay. I'm gonna take a stab at it and then it's gonna quickly go into we need legal like
- some legal opinion
- I do know that while that allocation area exists, we can only spend that money in the allocation
- area
- What happens when that allocation area expires? That's does that that's where we yeah we need to
- find out and then your second question
- Should we start planning now for how to spend that money?
- Yeah, that would probably be good sooner or later
- This RDC like this RDC kind of should work with the
- Liaison in legal and the hand department to kind of get an idea of like what kind of projects would
- you like us to bring?
- To you. What kind of projects do you have in mind?
- And then if we know of anything that's kind of on the on the burner on the back burner
- We could bring that to you just for discussion, you know and try to gauge your interest in
- different projects a city might have
- Those are just possible ways to go about. Is there an initial plan for when the allocation area was
- established?
- That would help with guidance in terms of what maybe was originally intended by having this tip
- area. We can look into that
- Okay, just because that would be helpful to at least you know, I realize that as years pass, you
- know
- Our priorities and goals can change but nonetheless would be a good place to start perhaps. Yeah
- Yeah, just that's fair. Yeah, because you know, it's it's June
- Yes, so to continue this first of all at that tip district was
- Created because it was proposed some
- Commercial business development that never occurred. So I suspect that
- We may have not even had it otherwise, right?
- So are you saying that we should plan and
- Project how to use that money yet within that TIF district or elsewhere in the city?
- I'm saying that we should plan to use it in this allocation area. Okay, I think that it would be
- Well, I would agree with you. That's where the tax revenue came from
- That area see what needs to be
- I care if it's filling potholes. We just want to use it in that
- In the general premise for establishing a TIF district, let's just say, you know again because it
- is something that typically is over several decades
- Is there an opportunity to revisit so that if the original objectives and goals shift as opposed to
- kind of trying to scramble the last year?
- of the allocation
- To spend it. Is there any opportunity for a view?
- I'm just you know
- it's a little different now because
- the majority of the TIF district we have is a
- Consolidated TIF but nonetheless just trying to get a sense of the overall general best practices
- of how a TIF district would work
- And how to track the actual original attentions with you know, the ultimate goal
- I think that the our best practice would be to return to statute and and it lays out a really nice
- list of what all the
- Different uses are and I think that we could take our first step by looking at that and then kind
- of maybe deciding what?
- Are there of this list? What are the RDCs priorities?
- You know and we can start from there. Is that kind of what you're doing?
- Well, it's a little different than my earlier question was about what do we do now?
- My question now is you know
- Let's just say as we kind of transition away from the consolidated TIF and look to have in one just
- for let's say
- The Hopewell district or you know just four TIF districts as traditionally outlaid
- Are there opportunities during the course of the allocation period to revisit so that it's not just
- like well
- We set it up
- So we're just gonna stick with it for the whole long run even if the actual goals have shifted in
- terms of just how again?
- Responsibility to public uses of the funds. I'm just trying to get a sense of for the lifespan of a
- TIF district
- What might be done? Let's say you know a third and a third two-thirds in and then before that
- because we're at the last year now
- I kind of have a sense of how that is taking shape. I'm just kind of looking reflecting back are
- there any
- Tools in place to say to look at it every five years and say does this match the original reason
- that it was set up
- For I'm gonna try to answer your question again. I'm gonna try to and I hope I'm getting to what
- you're speaking to you
- I I think in general that these TIF districts were always created without any specific named
- purpose. It was just any
- Any eligible use of TIF and with the to promote economic development?
- And so I'm pretty sure that these don't have specific uses and so going and so like
- Tying that thread out or like every five years revisiting. What are our priorities revisiting?
- What a statute say we can spend it on I guess I'm just gonna say that again that I think that still
- applies because there isn't a
- specific purpose for each TIF other than economic economic development
- Within the rules of the statute. Okay. Okay. Thank you
- I appreciate your help, but you couldn't to that point. You could sunset it on your own if you
- wanted to do it. I
- Don't know
- Yes, what whether it would be I'd have to check if it's actually a sunset but you can always
- State that you can pass through those to the underlying authorities
- You have that once a year where you do that with?
- Each allocation area. Do you believe you need all of the funds?
- Or can you pass them to the underlying authorities?
- And yes as far as it being so broad
- And there's 28 now listed uses of RDC funds to funds that RDC can use
- And so I mean, I definitely like the idea of checking in every five years or so and saying, okay
- Where we at now? What have we done?
- Where do we see us going in the next five years? And do we need to continue the path we are?
- Do we need to make a deviation?
- those are great things to do because you get caught up in the taking care of you know, the regular
- business and
- sometimes and I think
- With this financial report that's probably gonna help trigger like it did this time. It's gonna
- help trigger some of those questions. Okay
- for so
- So yeah, there's all kinds of listed uses and it's extremely varied and when you set up the area
- You're not sure what you're gonna need it for so you'd make it extremely broad and say any lawful
- use basically
- So you can follow up with that but but again, it's it's always good to revisit periodically where
- you're at
- What what you want to accomplish especially by the end of the time, you know that it's gonna expire
- Okay, thanks, that's helpful. We should that clarification. There's been one last question or place
- well, I'm just gonna this could come at any point but
- Put a plug-in for thinking about the kinds of projects that we heard last meeting the the sort of
- neighborhood beautification kinds of things
- If I'm reading this right, it's $27,000. It's not a huge sum. Am I reading this thing?
- That's at the expenditures on the capital
- At any rate that and I'm not familiar enough with that area to know what kind of
- What would lend itself to that kind of treatment but those?
- Given that we don't have a lot of time to spend this
- There's almost certainly got to be some area of that district that could use some planting some
- Herb refurbishment the kinds of things we've done
- In other other neighborhoods per the again the presentation that we had less last time last meeting
- The only thing I distinguish
- No, no, I just my understanding that the TIF money is traditionally used for economic development
- which obviously can overlap with neighborhood improvement, but
- Seems a little distinct to me, even though I understand neighborhood improvement is administered
- through the hand
- Okay, so this is this is TIF money and it's pretty specific
- Without it without another project that that
- So that sort of thing could be attached to okay
- Which breaks me a little quite a lot my last question on that
- How much do we expect to have we would have by the end of the year in that fund based on our guys
- at?
- 378,000 so that if we're talking to hand and they're looking at what can be done in that area that
- falls within the 28 categories
- Yeah, how much can they look at doing because there's certain projects you can look at with the
- experience of the hand department in the city
- Yeah
- It's you know, you can look at it and say yes
- We can know we can afford to do this or you can look at her. No, we can't so it's just trying your
- bike
- It's right. I don't we don't have any planned spending. So let's take the ending cash balance today
- is
- 655
- 655,000 and add
- 89,000 in tiff revenue
- Yeah, like
- 640 some hundred fifty thousand. Okay, so that would be able to look at the kids are part
- Tiff with the areas the public improvements that need to be done there and gives you a baseline
- budget to at least work around for a public
- Improvement or as a group we would decide to release it to the rest of the taxable parties
- Yeah, because we already have yeah, I mean not because just know we have
- 655,000 and we're only gonna get
- 9,000. Yeah this year maybe a little bit less next year
- 730 740,000 is what you got to work with. Yeah, but that at least helps because you know
- Yeah, but can't play it if you don't know how much money you can spend. Yeah
- Unfortunately, it really always comes down to what can we afford in regards to what we want to do
- So, okay. Thank you now last question
- And then I'll try
- Again page seven of nine
- on
- That was I looked through the cash balance and the revenues
- Where are the revenues where we sold the trades district is that in the four four four account?
- Or is that in there because I didn't see it on the plus the revenues and the federal grant tip
- revenue
- that is in the RDC account the four four four account, and we are working with bond council to just
- to
- Figure out where to put that because
- We sold that prop we bought that property with CTP with the certified tech park bond funds
- Bought that property and we just sold a portion of that property now. We have revenue
- And I think that we need to revisit the bond documents to determine where that revenue go
- Okay
- The reason I said that that that would make a huge difference in regards to where our deficit basis
- on our overall
- Consolidate allocation would be so right now. It's in a four four four account earning interest
- Sort of a whole yes, just a holding fund
- It's in the bank earning interest. It is in this fund until we get being accounted for
- We'll get it untangled from the bond
- Then identify where it needs to go so we can do any public improvements that are necessary in our
- consolidation
- Right
- We need to see if bond ordinance rules still apply to it
- Right because it was purchased with bond money
- Then part of that land purchase was pert was bought by the hotel developer
- So now we have revenue is that revenue free and clear of all?
- Yeah of all the rules that are in the ordinance
- Has it sort of been washed clean of like of it of the bond?
- Or is it still subject to the rules in the bond is essentially the question
- Okay, so basically it's in legal's hand and bond Council's hands
- I was identify what we're gonna do with and you guys will bring it back and tell us yeah
- Hey, you've got 11 million dollars to put somewhere and how we can deal with it. Okay, and then
- You'll add page 9. I mean, this is this is fantastic to be quite honest
- This is this is how ready that you yeah. Well, it comes down to you directing them. So
- And that but just for a quick just clarification on our solar project
- We are 15% of the nine point five or nine point five nine seven. No
- 9.597 is 15% of the total. I know that it's a lot more than that. Oh, yeah, it is a it's a very
- large
- I don't have that number up in front of me, but it is a very large bond and
- and
- That it's a law it has a its maturity date is
- Is out there. I also don't have that number on the top of my head
- But yeah
- It's a large
- debt obligation
- Okay, so the totals of that because I was I was calculating 15% of nine nine. Yeah
- Yeah, so
- We're about 82 million dollars in okay total overall, okay. Thank you. Appreciate just
- this
- all
- assumes that
- There is no revenue change correct. So they just carry what we're where we are and it's carry
- forward, correct
- And revenue tiff revenue does increase a little bit just from inflation every year
- if not AV growth
- increases from that too and
- these
- Funds that they've analyzed
- This is just the tiff funds
- Does do we do any kind of reporting for our
- Is it the 1500 account or what? What's the I call operations account?
- That's just an internal city fund and we don't have this kind of reporting for it. There's all
- We can I mean
- We don't we we don't have to do any is my reporting for that fun to like the DLGF or anything
- We don't have
- I'm not really. Yeah sure how we would put create these for that bullshit. Well, should we do
- something?
- The expenses in that fund are pretty
- What's the word, you know operational or their operations we can
- Project what they're gonna be we can plan ahead. We can let you know ahead what they what we expect
- them to be
- Usually no surprises coming out of that fund
- That's enough money that I suspect that we should at least formally be able to track it
- To then to Randy's point. He wouldn't have had to ask that question if we'd seen it as a revenue
- point, right?
- or a line item in that
- We can definitely include that fund and it's separate from this. I realized it's not a requirement,
- but
- Yeah, we might you know, there's millions of dollars
- Yeah being dealt with so and we have the background data to send them that same data for just
- another fund and they can add
- This has a page at that fund as another page and this report well if they don't then maybe we can
- do it through you
- But I don't know if you want to pay them to do it or not, right?
- That's your call how you generate it's up to you
- Any other questions or comments from commissioners, I appreciate the detail
- Thank you for your presentation
- Moving on to a business development update. Yeah, I have a few items to share
- maybe a little more fun than accounting, but
- So I just wanted to remind
- those cold commissioners
- No, no
- I think she gives an exciting accounting report. I'm just saying ESD. We're the placemaking team.
- So this is about parties
- I just wanted to remind commissioners that the Grand Saloon celebration is this weekend and to
- encourage you to take a trip downtown and
- See the festivities. It's free Mavis Staples is performing along with some other groups on Saturday
- night
- And then on Friday night, there's the fourth and Rogers block party at fourth and Rogers, which is
- another great
- component to that event a
- Missed opportunity for a party. I neglected to
- Pass an invite along in a timely manner for the ES net the trades district garage open house
- But in Durmonger their director their national director was on site and wanted to send his regards
- and thanks and the team
- There would be really happy to welcome commissioners for a tour
- Whenever we can schedule that so they're excited to share it
- And then just wanted to note that there was a great meeting to kind of kick off planning process
- for the trades district hotel
- Which is still one of the parcels that the RDC holds in in the district
- So after the alley vacation was approved on the council level that's now
- moving through
- The process or is at the beginning of the process and then the solar that's in Bunger
- we don't have resolution yet, but we
- We know that there are approximately 1300 panels there that we will be able to go through the asset
- disposition process with so that and that allows us to retain the volume of panels that we need to
- service our current installations and
- the city staff
- with public works and
- Controllers office and USD is working to understand
- With the allocation of that bond financing exactly who owns the specific panels that are there so
- that when
- Sale happens we can make sure that those proceeds are allocated in the correct way
- So we're working on it and we'll report back. Oh
- When parks parts was the other partner?
- I think those are the main
- Items and I'd be happy to do a hope well
- The whole ball updated for when we get there
- That was exciting
- What's the party department?
- No, no, no, no, no, I asked him a question gonna invite a transition to the whole ball update
- unless there are questions or comments from
- Okay prior to the whole book should we go on the book? Yeah, okay and just noting from Anna that
- Dragovic that construction on the core continues and is moving along and that tomorrow is the first
- day of the Tuesday
- farmers market, which will be hosted at Hopewell Commons this summer, so
- Looking forward to that activation
- Who oversees the final grass and things on Hopewell? Is that a JD question?
- Well, I guess what I'm looking at is as we start moving through the process on Hopewell and trying
- to do what we can
- You know, the presentation is always something that when you see, you know
- And you know as we go through and it's a necessity for the for our community to try to make sure we
- keep things looking good
- accordingly, you know, we should always we as a community as a whole and RDC should always make
- sure that what we own is up to
- The standards that we expect our other community members to have
- So with that as we look at the you know, I know Hopewell is a transition and we're in that thing
- how do we look at it and say, okay, how do we get this, you know, like the
- 714 building and the areas around I don't know who's responsible for it. So I'm trying to I know
- ultimately it is the RDC responsible
- We have been going through a process to get service contracts out for bed and know who's doing what?
- I do believe that there is a mowing contractor. That's
- Correct that it has been
- Committed to for the mowing and you will be seeing some service contracts come up in a future
- meeting
- to make sure this is maintained but as far as like
- Landscaping or trying to make it look more marketable. That's not something that we would value
- that waited at this time
- It certainly might be something
- Future at the present moment that wouldn't be my expectation
- My expectation would be just to maintain it the same way we would expect any other community member
- to maintain their property
- Yeah, and we are I and I'm actually surprised that it hasn't been
- Last week, okay
- Some of this has been mowed, but you know the area going down second street miss
- I was looking at where the core building has asked for that
- What's the area that looks there and then you know as we look into the Hopewell area
- I know there's still the final portions of the construction contract
- But you know we get up on first Street when we start looking at it
- It may have been outside the confines of what our construction was
- But what do we have to do to make it at least mobile presentable so that if you drive by it's like
- I do believe that efforts have been taken to make sure that they are being maintained if they're
- not
- Thank you for letting us know so we can follow up with the contractor. No problem. Thank you
- One last question on solar if there's a disposition will that mean it's gonna have to be dispute
- To have a separate resolution on disposition between parks CBU and RDC. I think so
- Just we haven't I haven't ironed that out
- I mean
- I guess the reason that would not happen that way is if we determine that there's
- One holder for example CBU had a large installation that that they I believe funded that wasn't
- able to be installed
- And so I suspect a lot of those panels belong to CBU
- But we need to document that and the way the contracts went for the solar
- They talked about production of kilowatt hours rather than discrete
- Panels and so we're just where's the pay that we're figuring it out. Okay. Yeah. Thank you
- I just want to be prepared for you know, you're disposing of 622
- You know 15% of
- It'll come your way for sure. Okay. Thank you. I
- Have to leave it
- Thank you. Thank you, Jim
- So we are now prepared to move on to new business and that's gonna start with resolution 25 - 58
- Which is the approval to terminate leases at Showers West who would like to speak to that?
- Margie is online if you want her to take it. I don't know
- If Dana or Margie I can do it or Margie can do it. I'll leave it up to Margie
- I'll start
- Sorry, I was late I had another meeting but I just got up up so
- We as you know when we when we the city took over the Showers West building there were existing
- tenants there
- Some have have already left. There are some that are still
- Waiting to leave and I've talked to a couple of them and I'm going to go personally door-to-door
- talking to
- Those businesses, but I wanted to make sure that we had documented and Dana put together a great
- resolution for your consideration
- Documenting that you're okay with us moving forward to terminate the leases
- There's a it's it's kind of a weird situation in that the city purchased a building for public use
- But hasn't fully used it for public
- Use yet. We intend to get a hundred percent
- to the point where we are a hundred percent using it for public use and in order to do that we need
- to
- To get the tenants moved on to some other location. I've talked to a couple as I said
- They're working on figuring out where they're going
- It's kind of a chicken and an egg thing in that
- We are we are required to assess their damages and pay them for damages
- What those damages are though is a is it's not a set figure
- We have to negotiate those and we have to know where they're moving to what it's going to cost them
- where they move
- Like what's the new rent going to be or a new mortgage payment? So what are their costs when they
- move forward?
- What are the moving expenses?
- Etc indiana law does and it's in the resolution
- There's a code citation the data put in there indiana code does say essentially if a public entity
- takes over a building
- But didn't use the eminent domain procedures that the person affected is entitled to have their
- damages assessed
- In much the same way that you would assess it if you had engaged in public in imminent domain
- So we didn't take this building by eminent domain. We bought it using
- Public funds and so we are going to be have to remove the tenants and we are required to assess
- their damages
- So that's gonna be an ongoing process that legal will work with these
- Individuals, hopefully we will be able to reach an agreement with them
- And if we can't then the way anybody handles the situation when they can't reach an agreement will
- avail ourselves of court intervention
- But I am very optimistic that we're gonna be able to reach an agreement with the tenants
- So with that I'm happy to answer any questions Dana can answer questions
- And we'd like you to approve the resolution so we can move forward
- the question about whether this may have to be in the statute any kind of limit or
- Definition of what reasonable
- Costs might be for tenants to
- To move, you know, yeah, that's a great question
- I have I have shared with people, you know, we can't just pull a big number out of the air and you
- know
- This is kind of you hit the lottery because the city doing it has to maybe I'm gonna build myself a
- building
- Yeah, right. We have to tie it to actual
- Damages that that reasonable damage that that they're entitled to I will go on the record of saying
- I don't believe it's a reasonable for people to think whatever the value of their lease was that
- they get that figure
- I don't think that's reasonable. I think we've got to know where they're moving to and I've shared
- this with the people
- I've talked to I'm going to know where you're moving to what that rent is what your actual damages
- are
- These are public funds. And so I have to be accountable. Sure, and then I'm not trying to be stingy
- or difficult at all
- But we have to actually understand what it's costing them from to move here there
- And so I know, you know one tenant is looking at perhaps buying their own building as opposed to
- renting
- Changes the equation a little bit
- You know again
- You always look at did they try to mitigate their damages?
- And so we'll have those conversations
- I have I have told the people that I've already talked to there are landlords out there who are
- ready
- willing and able to be
- you know to take them in and we want that market to
- you know to be filled as well and
- That's good for our landlords to have the extra space and we need to use this building for public
- space
- So I'm hoping it's a win-win. I hope there's some landlords out there. That's a thank you city of
- Bloomington for you know
- finding us a tenant and
- We certainly are going to be you know one idea. I've heard
- that I think it's a really cool idea is
- it was shared with me by the
- person at the Bloomington board of realtors that I talked to there's some of the tenants are
- thinking about maybe working with cook and
- This is you know I don't think I'm just floating these secrets, but perhaps to move over to some
- cook
- Space in the chase building and have kind of a little bit more of a cooperative feel kind of like
- what we do with the mail
- For businesses, but something kind of a cooperative work sharing space for nonprofits, which would
- be super cool
- And if we could somehow help you know
- You know instead of sort of making
- Lemonade out of these lemons that would be great if you know part of the money
- We're paying for him just goes towards getting them into that kind of space
- We'd like to see that get off the ground, so you know it's it's gonna be a work in progress
- I think Dana's gonna be helpful Chris Wheeler
- I've got a lot of their attorneys in my office that are helpful Chris Cochran had been involved
- early on and had secured
- You know some of the tests in fact Dana was one of the tenants who you know the small world that it
- is Dana was a tenant
- Who who was removed from showers west and now he's gonna be working on serious shit, so no conflict
- My way
- Yeah, we just would like you to happy to answer any questions
- And we can report back as we make progress on this my goal is that we would be able to get the
- tenants moved out by October
- So that's that's Michael
- Okay, Margie. I've got a question. I'd ask for the
- Exploration dates of the leases for each of the eight tenants
- We we can I don't have those in front of me
- We can definitely follow up with that information some of the tenants of some of the tenants had
- Extensions and there were several that have sent sort of I think they were sort of all talking to
- them
- So hey, we better exercise that extension and so I'd want to look back and see who we got
- extensions from but we can
- Get you those
- Again, I don't know that how relevant that's not going to be terribly relevant to me and my
- In my negotiations because I don't I don't I just don't think that that's how you you do the math
- But we can get you that
- Little disagreement here. I think it is relevant and it's kind of important to know that before we
- would
- vote on this but
- clearly
- We have to use this only for public purpose
- I mean, we're not we're not going to go through an eviction process and then work with these people
- to make that happen
- but we are required to use this building for a public purpose and
- It's unfortunate that you know things rolled out the way they did at the end of 2023 2024
- But now that that you know, we know we have to get people out of that building
- It's gonna happen either by agreement or through
- You know some other you know
- Judicial intervention, but whether regardless of how long there are we have to start using this
- building for a public purpose
- And that's you know, that's a requirement that's not just something we want to have
- Marge just just to clarify on that. We are using the building for a public purpose right now
- We just have additional yeah partially so we've fulfilled part of our requirement on the bond
- Yeah
- Yeah, and I've talked to the bond council and Jessica has to on more than one occasion
- They want us to have it used a hundred percent for public purpose
- So it's not really an option that I have that I can can
- you know allow this to continue to be used for not not to be compliant with the
- agreements that we
- Was entered into the bond
- Yeah, and that was previous administration
- Mm-hmm and and it was promised that it would be used for public
- With that is that significant based on bond council for the October 31st or 13th? Excuse me October
- 13th date
- Or is that just a date we've identified to try to move things forward. We don't have
- That's a date that I've identified to move it forward. That's a date the bond council is
- comfortable with
- And so I'm trying to make sure that we you know that we comply with all of our requirements. Thank
- you
- Mm-hmm
- Any other questions or comments from commissioners on resolution 25 - 58
- If not, I'll go ahead
- I'm just gonna open it for public comment
- Commissioners are done with their questions
- Yes comment from public
- Not a comment, but it's a question and I'll say should I usually say I understand there's no legal
- obligation to answer the question
- But as a journalist with a square bulletin, that's what I do. I ask a question if I can
- I'm curious to know if there's any specific identified additional public purpose
- That the city is going to put the space to I mean, it's clear as a bell that we can't use it for
- this private purpose
- so we're
- Out so what's the specific public purpose that the city will be making of the space is that known?
- Is that a question that you want me to answer I know Anna's in the room and Jessica's there other
- than Dana
- I'll take that question as a commission. I'll take up that question as a commissioner and invite
- you to respond Margie
- Okay, um, I I
- To be honest don't know exactly what offices are going to move into showers west
- but it's my understanding that we intend to use that for
- additional office space to
- fairly
- Tight in tight quarters over here. It's my understanding that we're going to use that for
- additional office space
- But I haven't seen the specific plans yet, and I think some of that is
- And I don't know if Jessica or Anna or somebody else has has additional fans
- But I haven't seen but I believe it's just going to be additional
- You know city office space I believe Margie is correct
- I don't think that there's an official plan on who is moving where and when I think that the mayor's
- office is working on
- figuring that out now
- But there is no official plan on who is going where?
- We have I mean just further and we've modified some office space over here legal HR is currently
- modifying their office space
- I would expect that they would stay
- put
- But I don't know what what beyond that who?
- You know what what they're going to use it for or how ostensibly it's going to be remodeled
- Any other public comment, otherwise we might have one more commissioners
- Thank you, yeah
- Good evening. My name is Dave Harstad
- I am a commercial real estate broker here in Bloomington and I would like to respectfully request
- of the commission
- that in addition to
- As Margie said going door-to-door
- to speak to the various tenants that some effort be made to
- disclose to tenants and just
- Hope the public understand the black-letter law of what?
- damages
- you know are
- available to folks who are losing their lease
- Through the city's legal right of eminent domain. So for example
- There are company this in dot
- Condemns
- Property interests all the time. There's there should be some pretty clear black-letter law as to
- What damages should be and I think that that would help de-escalate?
- And make things more swift and amicable if we could for example to John's
- Question back and forth with Murphy law
- Is an exercisable option?
- Compensable right there's got to be law on that and so I would respect the respectfully request
- that
- that the RDC
- For example, you know, they're higher or redeveloped or a relocation consultant that does this for
- Federal highway projects that sort of thing to say all right
- Here is the list of things that a tenant that is losing their leasehold interest through a taking
- You know, here's here's the way damages are assessed and calculated for that
- So I don't think anyone's contesting your right to terminate leases by eminent domain
- But I do think that we could really make this process a lot easier if we brought in an outside
- expert
- He said here's the here are the buckets of
- Compensation. Here's the methodology for calculating damages. Thank you
- Another public comment, please. Hi. My name is Tia Arthur. I'm with under open casa
- the executive director I
- Would just ask if you're considering agreeing to the resolution that
- The date be a little bit more flexible than October. Um, this is the first official
- Notice or discussion I've heard about this so
- four months
- It's not much time. It took us nine months to find this location. So if there's any
- ability to be flexible with that date given that
- We've been in this lease for two years or it's been known to the city for two years that were
- Not allowed to be there according to the bond
- that that four months be
- Potentially extended to at least allow us
- the ability to
- Timely find a new space
- So if there's that going to be any agreement tonight that I I would ask that the October date be
- reconsidered
- Thank you
- If I may comment on that I just I do appreciate that October feels like it's coming up fairly
- quickly
- However, as I mentioned earlier my conversation the city of Bloomington had hired a professional
- Chris Cochran who had met with all of the tenants. I believe including Casa to talk to them about
- this
- This requirement that they move out
- It's not clear to me while why all of the tenants didn't
- Get successfully moved out while the city was contracting with Chris Cochran by here
- We are and so it's not I mean it's been in the news and it's been public knowledge for
- You know many months as she explains that this was process going to happen. So I
- Don't think that this is a surprise
- that this is coming and we are again required to use this as as public space and
- Believe me. I've tried to serve like well if we're using
- Getting the rent and we're using the rent as a public purpose. Isn't that?
- Okay, and the answer by non capital is no it needs to be used for a public purpose. And so
- We I feel it's it's rather important that we comply
- With the requirement when we bought that building what we said we were going to do
- and
- And I can understand that you know few months might not seem all that long, but we are definitely
- willing to
- Work with the property, you know all of the tenants to try to help relocate them and I'm told that
- there is
- There is
- available
- commercial space
- nearby
- I'm just confirming if there's any further public comment, and then I will turn it back to
- commissioners because I
- Understand that there's some further comment from commissioners, but if there's no other public
- comment, it's Arthur
- And Chris was in communication with Chris Amache the previous executive director
- Once Mayor Thompson came in on to the administration
- We were informed by Chris that we no longer needed to worry about this issue, and it wasn't
- something that
- We needed we were we were told that we don't need to relocate that Mayor Thompson was not
- interested in
- And having us leave any longer, so we didn't look into it any further. I mean that was for Chris Gaffer
- That's also no one's talked to me
- Also just add real briefly on the on the subject of time if there's any build-out required
- whatsoever
- You know, you've got permitting
- Contract bidding mobilization anybody in this room you do this all the time. You can't possibly do
- anything other than carbon and paint
- Thank you, I'm going to turn it back to commissioners because I know that commissioners has some
- additional comments mr. Westing you want to start
- Yeah, I'm going to I don't want to
- Our argue with mrs. Rice, but I think it's imperative that the city would have given written notice
- That this was to occur and I don't believe that was done
- Correct me if I'm wrong and
- Based on the comments that that I've heard tonight from the public. I would like to see us
- Modify this resolution
- To and extend the October 13th to December 13th of 2025
- so I'll throw that out as a
- Process that does need to happen. I think we all recognize that that that one option seems to me to
- Pass resolution that
- allows the city to to give tenants notice and
- Either either to extend the deadline or
- Well, this isn't going to work in a resolution. I realize as I'm saying this but going back to John's
- point about understanding when leases and
- It strikes me that it's reasonable to
- For us as a commission to look at at the specific impact on each of these eight each of these eight
- entities
- with respect to that date I
- Might propose in fact that we table this get that information back revisit it at the next meeting
- and
- Then decide based on that information whether we think December 13th
- Deadline is more reasonable if we want to give a time frame
- In the resolution or we want to do something else
- And I can tell you that I many of it seemed almost as if the tenants were talking to each other
- because we have
- At least two or three
- Notices like hey, I want to I want to exercise my five-year extension
- I want to exercise or I want to exercise this option certified mail by many of them again
- We cannot let people exercise that extension for five or ten years. So if the information is that
- They've sent a letter and said that they want another five years
- That's just not going to happen and it's not whether it's October whether it's December
- We need to the bottom line is we need to get them out of that building
- using it for public purpose that we are compliant with
- IRS code and our bond documents and so
- No matter if it's you know
- 2027 or you know five years after that because many of them have
- We can we can get you the information that many of them have leases that run beyond
- 25 into 26 27 and then if they've said hey
- I want to exercise the extension and I don't know if that's because they thought they were getting
- greater damages that they exercise the extension
- I don't know
- But all I'm saying is the process for me is going to be the same no matter what
- That day is I have to try to negotiate them out of there as soon as possible
- Help them be a good neighbor try to help them find
- another landlord out there is looking for a good tenant and try to play matchmaker and get a
- matched up and then
- Say how much more are you gonna be paying in rent in that next place than you would be paying here?
- And we know that cook I think gave people a pretty good deal in rent
- Great for cooking great for the tenants, but then we got to figure out like what are the reasonable
- damages?
- What are the moving costs? Do you have to get new?
- things printed out with your new address
- Again, what are the actual damages and you know to mr.
- Harseth's point, you know if we need to get a professional in here to help
- Hey, that's in the RTC wants to pay for that. That's great
- We did have a professional involved to help and here we are
- So I'm I'm ready to roll up my sleeves and help people move
- You know figure out a place to move and then figure out what's reasonable
- But I'm telling you that I do not think paying somebody for a five-year extension is going to be
- considered reasonable
- And we've done some research the team of lawyers here in city. We've all done some research about
- what is damages
- It's not nearly the same. It's not as easy as hey, I'm taking two acres of land and let's get that
- land appraised
- Building the road we do that kind of right-of-way phrase. We just did it on my street, you know, I
- signed offers for the
- Transportation it's a little different than doing a road project. It's a little trickier, but
- I'm happy to get all the help we need
- But again, I do not think that whether they have a how long that their lease term is
- It's going to make it a big difference on my end in terms of what I am required to do
- So I'll concur with John's suggestion that we make it
- December 13th or simply the end of the year end of the calendar year
- What is the protocol under the Thompson administration for communication with tenants in terms of
- the written notice that was mentioned
- I'm just trying to get an understanding because I certainly understand that mr
- Cockrum was available under the previous administration as a resource for tenants
- But clearly there was some shift in how that communication happened with the change in
- administration
- And I'm just trying to get a clearer idea of what the expectations
- Reasonably were of tenants since the Thompson administration began
- Well, I can I can tell you that mr
- Cockrum was it was still working on it when we came in and so I was not aware that people people
- that they didn't
- Have to worry about it. That is news to me. I will tell you that I talked with and met with Chris
- Cockrum and
- He shared with me progress he had made I do know that
- And I think everybody here is aware of that when mayor Thompson took office. She decided to figure
- out
- What she wanted to do with showers West and what she got to continue with the plan that the
- Hamilton administration had which was to use
- This for police and fired headquarters or not. She put together a task team while that was going on.
- It's very transparent
- It was in the news
- And everybody was sort of aware and that it was announced that no
- She wasn't going to have the same vision for showers West that mayor Hamilton did so we have moved
- fire administration in there
- It has been decided that police admin or not will not move in there
- That's something the police did not want to do and she concurred with that
- And so it's going to be used for typical office space for the city of Bloomington
- I
- Have letters ready to go. I'm going to talk to everybody. I've already met
- With one tenant talked to another on the phone
- We've we you know ready to go to have these conversations, but in terms of
- Chris's involvement it did carry over into 2024 and
- But I mean I have a sense of urgency that I need to take get moving and
- I
- Am surprised that he said they they were going to be able to stay that's not you know, that is not
- something that I thought
- was done, but
- I'm not saying that it's not true. I mean, I believe I believe the tenant said that
- We just need to get a plan and go forward. So my plan is to
- You know send walk these letters over to each tenant if you agree that we can move forward and then
- start the conversations
- I
- Would like to add to that that
- until now there's not been any written notice because you are
- landlords of the property and
- the reason I drafted the resolution is because only you can
- Tell us to give them notification that we're terminating the lease they could enter into
- discussions
- And like they did with me when I was in there we came to an agreement
- And so it was fine
- But to to keep the process moving at this point
- There doesn't need to be written notice and it does need to come from this group
- And Dana is there anything aside from this resolution that would trigger that is needed to trigger
- that
- No, because this is saying that you approve for that process to start
- Actually terminating the leases and so the city couldn't terminate them or give notice to terminate
- them
- Because the city did not have
- So yeah, so it needs to come here and I do think that they
- even honestly in my opinion once you
- Work out an agreement if you're going to do a build-out or something like that
- I don't think that barn council would worry too much about an extension pass that December 13th
- date or whatever date you choose
- because it's happening and it's going to happen and
- so I I think that there is still
- Flexibility there with the tenants so you can work with them as well, but we've got to start the
- Official process and that's what this resolution does is that it starts officially. I'm sorry. I'm
- sorry
- Would an extension come back to us to approve if that was necessary or simply we would have to be
- part of the
- negotiations and to you and you would take care of all that?
- corporation councils council for
- All the city so they can
- count so they can
- Negotiate those terms and
- Again, Margie can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that as long as you're making progress
- and you know
- Where this is leading that a tenant needed to stay on an extra month or two for a build-out that
- that could be done
- Well, I'm still gonna make
- My motion still stands, I don't want to go on a case-by-case basis
- I want to give everybody the same amount of time
- Just point of clarification Margie can't and now that we are in a public situation
- Without any questions that the leases need to be terminated due to the bond
- Otherwise, we as the RDC the city would be in extreme difficulty on an eight million dollar bond
- We sold you the bonds with premise we're buying that building to be used for a public purpose
- It can be used it doesn't have to be used for
- The pride of the public or for them, please and fire you it can be used for any public sector
- yeah, okay, so and but it does need to be used for a public purpose and
- That does not include using its letting tent private tenants use it
- Again, it's it's a weird situation. We don't have to use the eminent domain statute because
- We're taking possession of a building. We are young, right?
- So you use eminent domain when you're and certainly if you know when I come into this and thought
- about like yes
- The city of women has the legal authority to exercise eminent domain and take somebody's yard for a
- road
- Certainly the city can go back in and take its own building that it already owns for its own use
- Of course that that's the conversation we had and did our research and the answer is yes
- Yes, the city can take possession of its very own building for its very own use
- Especially when you have a bond document and IRS regulations that say you're going to use it for
- public purpose
- so we need to make that happen and
- We will absolutely
- be fair to the tenants and flexible and
- You know we we are their neighbors the mayor has zero interest in me being you know difficult with
- these tenants
- That's a not my style and be not my interest and so we will work with them
- But we have as Dana said we've got to get this going it stalled
- And we need to pick it up and go with it
- And so I'm just looking for the ability the permission to move forward and as Dana said, you know
- under
- Indiana law the corporation council is the legal counsel for the city and I represent the legal
- interest and I'm trying to represent
- The legal interests of the city and make sure we do what we're supposed to do
- And I appreciate that the question I have is who is going to be the point contact because we have
- tenants here
- So they're aware of who will be contacting will be you will be Dana so they know who they're going
- to work with I
- Put my personal cell phone in the letters and so I have and going to deliver them and meet with
- everybody and give them
- My personal cell phone and I will work now if I'm not available
- They certainly reach out to Dana Dana will help Chris Wheeler is available to help
- We have other attorneys who are aware of the situation
- I like to never be the one with all of the information in case I win the lottery or
- Hit my boss
- Okay, I just want to make sure who it is so thank you appreciate it
- Okay, so
- Thank you for that further discussion. We do have a first and a second and just just remind me
- I don't know if I caught because there was a proposal for an extension through December if that was
- based on that if the
- Motion need was would that have been it?
- Yes
- well with I
- December 13th or I was suggesting we simply go to the end of the year
- I don't know if there's a reason not to go to the end of the year. It feels a little arbitrary.
- Well
- So was October 13th arbitrary
- So I picked true I just moved it because I thought
- If we ran into some issues and we needed a couple days to clean it up, we'd be done by the end of
- the year
- That's that's really why
- I don't know what day that falls on. That's why I was looking halfway through the end of December
- guys. Good luck finding somebody
- Because most of us are yeah, you want to get it done for the holidays. I just didn't want
- I will
- make my
- Proposal contingent on a December 13th
- So a change in the resolution to say December 13th, but then October 13th, that's a Saturday
- Okay, so who made the initial motion and just clear it because I want to make sure that we're doing
- this properly
- Well, John you suggested I I I move that we amend
- 25 - 58
- To say rather than October 13 2025 to say December 13th. May I just quickly for logistics?
- Our last meeting is December 15th, which is only two days after that
- Which does not give us a lot of time if there needs to be business brought to the RDC
- Just saying logistically if you needed to back that up
- December 1st
- Sorry, just in the conversation previously
- It was my understanding that this resolution would get the ball rolling and that would give
- permission to legal counsel
- To do the negotiation so that I thought that question had been asked and answered that if there
- were to be an extension
- Let's say on a tenant-by-tenant basis that wouldn't necessarily need to come back to the RDC
- because we're delegating that permission
- Am I understanding that correctly or not?
- I was responding to John's comments regarding just trying to make sure that business was wrapped up
- before the end of the year
- I'm just saying worst-case scenario something did have to come to you
- I'm not saying that that's the goal or the effort right now
- But if there was you guys are out of meetings to do it. Well, my assumption was it would not
- require our
- Input it would pretty much it was just staff being able to wrap it up and hopefully that's the case
- Makes no difference what that date is it may have to come back to us again. So yeah, it's not
- So we might want to clarify
- What exactly what motions are on the table? Yes, that's what I'm seeking
- Yeah
- There's really only one really simple motion
- Well, I think I I moved a proposal that would change the October 13th day to December 13th
- I
- I'll just leave that on the table if there's a counter proposal to
- adopt
- The proposal as it stands with the October 13th day. I think it's a motion a second
- And then if there was not support for that date or for that amendment then that motion would fail
- And then we could reintroduce another motion where the revised date if that was the what were the
- interest was that's my understanding
- Yes from a procedural standpoint
- So if it's not just a motion to amend it's a motion to approve when an amendment, right?
- Okay, so just if you're making that motion, could you just state it so that we have the clarity
- that's needed. I
- move that we
- amend
- Proposals or a 2558 to have the date of December 13th rather than October 13th and to approve
- The proposal with the amended date
- Okay, do we have a second?
- Okay, we have a first and a second all in favor say aye
- Hi, hi. Yeah. Okay, so we have
- Four I and one day
- One clarification we will be giving expiration of ten of leases as we ask
- And that's an important clarification. Yeah, just to have that information available to the RDC
- Yes, thank you
- So
- Passed it passes as amended as amended December 13th
- One for
- Situation we have to deal with we have the ability to call an additional meeting in December if we
- need to do we know we can
- Good I really think that we
- Official notification letter by note, correct
- Okay, we're gonna move on to our next item of new business which is resolution 25 - 59
- The approval of a lease for 4th Street garage commercial office space with visit Bloomington who
- would like to speak to that?
- Their visitor center in the garage commercial they are interested in a long-term lease
- They will self fund the build out the lease states that they will accept the space as is
- Visit Bloomington receives funding through the County Convention and Visitors Bureau
- And if the RDC approves this lease visit Bloomington will have to take it back to their board
- They don't anticipate being ready for July 1 start date. Their board has approved estimated buildout
- costs
- This is going to be great for this part of downtown
- It coincides deliberately with the opening of the convention center in January
- 2027 and will serve as the front porch for so many of our visitors
- Visit Bloomington is interested in growing there and seeks the right of every first refusal of the
- other commercial space
- We currently have artists using the space as studios with a right of entry from the RDC
- We will give them notice and start preparing for transition if approved. So I do believe that
- Mr. McAfee is also here ready to answer any questions as well
- Come on talk to us
- I
- Thank you very much for having us on the agenda
- We're super excited about it
- It's been a long time coming. I guess first of all
- The reason we're here is because of the you can't the convention center expansion groundbreaking is
- tomorrow at 3 30 afternoon 3 30 in the afternoon
- Anybody here in the room anybody watching you're invited to come to that
- It's across the street on the on the east side of college where we'll be doing the expansion after
- we're immediately afterwards as a reception back
- in the convention center, so please come in and celebrate this monumental occasion with us, but
- Yes, we're here. We're excited. Everything you said about why wouldn't we want to move down there
- we
- Visit Bloomington. We represent tourism for the entire Monroe County area
- Obviously we were one of the for the the main marketing arm of the convention center
- along with the convention center itself and hopefully with a
- New host hotel that'll be developed in the coming months as well with their sales team and all
- three of us
- We'll be working together to fill that building with groups of five six hundred business travelers
- coming into downtown Bloomington
- Sunday through Thursday when we need that business the most
- You know, we're genuinely excited about this
- Like like like you said timing wise
- I have a board meeting on June 18th of this month where I'll be presenting this to my board and
- Then on June 26 the Monroe County Convention and Visitors Commission. I'll be presenting to them
- there the
- Got to understand that I have no money for this in my 2025 budget didn't even know about it
- I'll be presenting my 26th budget to them as well here in June. We budgeted last year for 2025 in
- June
- That's how far in advance we have to do it before we go in front of the County Council in the fall
- to get it approved
- So the money is there in keepers tax the County or the Commission of Visitors Commission has it
- Like I said, they have pre approved by pushing this forward and that's where we're out of it
- So so we'll kind of have to figure out that timing but you know
- It is everybody is on the same page about making this happen and wanting to be there
- Pardon me, mr. McAfee, I know who you are, but could you just for some public purpose sure do an
- introduction
- So that that's on the record. My name is Mike McAfee
- And I'm the executive director at visit Bloomington. We are the Convention and Visitors Bureau from
- Monroe County. Thank you so much
- We're an independent 501 c6 and I worked for my board and that Monroe County Convention and Visitors
- Commission
- Just want to make sure I
- Guess you my question would be is there any estimate and we are very sincere about that additional
- space very excited about the possibility of
- Building a visitor center in the space that's open now and potentially in the in the additional
- space having our professional offices there
- We will probably have to have to we're looking at space in Fountain Square right now for our
- offices because there's not enough room in
- The one side so I would like to know if you have any clue as to when that space might become
- available
- We're believing when we do this and when we invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into this
- visitor center
- We don't plan on leaving. I do see it's a we've got what a one a one five-year lease with the
- opportunity to
- Read up at four times so we could lock it up for 25 years. That's that's what we're interested in
- and
- I
- would like to get back in there as soon as possible with an architect and a contractor to start
- getting some
- estimations on the cost for build out and things like that and and then my other question is just
- who's the best person for me to
- work with on on getting in there and sharing information back and forth, but
- Just so excited about this. It's it's been a long time coming and it's gonna be great
- Happy to answer any of your questions
- Yeah questions or comments from commissioners are welcome
- I've got a couple of these questions
- Mike I think there's a great opportunity also. So I really look forward to you being able to pull
- this off
- And I'd like for us to be able to
- I don't know how exactly we would handle this but this
- We are proving this lease it kind of ties the commencement to June 1, which isn't really viable
- So how you how we do it so it's flexible, but I'd like to make it more open so that it works with
- the
- with the with the tenants timeline is the terms outlined in the
- For the least are hereby approved and the authorizes the president to sign the final form of the
- lease. So
- The terms would be the same the start date could be
- Easily modified
- Because it's it's not great or signature today because right don't have that
- I just didn't want this resolution of time that you want. No, no, okay, it's
- It's what is a listed
- In the five-year lease terms of her the general and it is just a draft and exhibit a so
- So it can't be modified to fit the party's needs
- This if I read this lease correctly, it's a grossly
- That is correct, okay, and then one other an article seven
- One
- Section one
- We're talking about the tenant getting liability insurance and naming the landlord as additional
- insured
- The then who they've called out in this section to be additionally insured does not tie in with
- actual landlord's name in the lease
- It is
- Naming both the city of Bloomington and the landlord which is the Bloomington
- redevelopment commission
- so it's
- Additional insured. Oh, yeah, I don't I don't see that
- so
- On page five of these
- section one
- Obtain and keep them forged during the initial term and all renewals or extensions there are the
- policy of comprehensive general
- liability insurance and sharing the city of Bloomington comma
- landlord and
- Tenant against liability arising out of the ownership use occupancy or maintenance of premises.
- Okay, so that covers the RDC
- So it's the landlord is you
- The Bloomington redevelopment commission and what I did is I made sure that it also included
- the city of Bloomington
- As well, okay. Thank you
- Okay, any other questions or comments from commissioners real quick my long term you're planning on
- as the other leases expire
- You would move this is your primary location for the CVP
- Well, and let's just utilize who's your network or are you looking to expand further into this area
- Or you as your primary are you still?
- Primary Convention of Visitors Bureau or as a satellite office. No, we we
- Our current facility on North Walnut Street
- We retired the debt on that many many years ago paid for that with inkeepers tax
- But that is a cat that is an asset of the county commissioners and when we leave that facility
- They will they will own it and can sell it or use it for other purposes
- It's too bad. We'd love to have the proceeds from that from that building to use for our build out
- but that's the way it works and
- again, I look at it as the
- Tourism industry and once again is given back a million dollar asset to the community to use for
- other purposes, but
- we'll
- Yeah, we'll we'll we'll again. I'm not quite sure of how the move will happen if if
- If best-case scenario we need to be down there
- I need to be down there with my team in that visitor center and our Salesforce and if we were to
- move our professional offices into
- Fountain Square Mall, for instance
- We were just looking at a CSE property walk across that bridge or walk out the door and around the
- block and we're right there
- With my team of two to three people that's running run in the visitor center
- So and eventually we'd rather be in that adjacent space
- So we have both our offices next door to the visitor center. They're connected in that way
- We just know we need to wait till the other group might vacate it. Okay, that answers question
- I was not completely unaware that you did not the CVB did not own that building. Okay. Thank you
- for clarification. So
- Okay, any other questions or comments from commissioners if not open it for public comment either
- online or in person
- Seeing none. I will invite a motion for resolution 25 - 59
- Second we've got a first and a second all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes
- unanimously
- For that, thank you very much
- Next item of new business is resolution 25 - 60 ratification of emergency services provided and
- For payment thereof to be an L sheet metal who would like to speak to that?
- So in February five leaks were detected from the roof drain piping that were impacting the fire
- administration officers and
- offices and showers West
- public works contacted B&L sheet metal for emergency services this
- Claim crossed my desk and because it is over our $5,000 threshold
- It has to come before you for approval before we are allowed to pay it. So
- That's where we are
- Thank you. Any questions or comments from Commissioners on Resolution 25 - 60
- Is the fire administration paying rent that is a very good question, I don't believe so
- So is there a lease
- I don't believe
- Should there be
- Yeah, that would be helpful for just understanding what the plan is for that especially if there's
- cost to the landlord involved so
- Yeah, this is a capital improvement more or less. So we've been paying for it anyway, but right
- But it looks like we're like to know
- Maintenance is going to be handled
- particularly as we're going forward if we're going to continue to in the building then
- There'll be lots of other people in there, too
- I don't think it's a money-making affair. It's just how stuff can be handled. Yeah
- Thank you any other questions are coming from commissioners if not, I'll open it for public comment
- on
- resolution 25 - 60
- Seeing none online or in person. I will invite a motion for this resolution
- I'll make a motion to approve 25 - 60
- So I got a first and a second all in favor say aye. Aye
- Any opposed motion passes unanimously. Thank you
- Next item on our agenda is resolution 25 - 61, which is the approval to terminate the Indian
- illegal services lease at College Square
- Who would like to speak to that?
- The current lease that
- Is with Indian illegal services has a six months termination clause and as that site
- Very well considered as the hostess tell site that there is the
- Need for flexibility to have that space available when it is available
- The least we did with little brothers for their construction offices was 30 day time frame. So
- we need to start that clock ticking I
- Do believe if you get six months down the road and they haven't found a location and
- going to do a month-to-month lease while they finish something out or
- Go ahead with something like that too, but six months is a very long clock
- Thank you
- Any questions or comments from commissioners on resolution 2561?
- This is just the public notice without any questions that guys you got six months
- Perfect I'll make a motion to approve. I just want to open it for public comment, please
- Just if there's any interest in public comment on this resolution now is that opportunity seeing
- none online or in person?
- I will invite a motion, please
- I'll make a motion to approve 25 - 61
- second
- First in a second all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion passes unanimously. Thank you
- Next item on our agenda is 2562
- Which is the approval for preliminary architectural design of a host hotel for the Bloomington
- Convention Center at the college square real estate
- Who would like to speak to that?
- Margie's up on that one
- I told her I could do it if she
- Basically, I am on. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm on. I'm sorry. It took me a minute to unmute so
- This request is to ask the redevelopment Commission to authorize payment of
- design fee for a
- Hotel that will serve the Convention Center proposed hotel that will serve the Convention Center
- and that would be placed on
- redevelopment Commission land you remember that we talked to you earlier about
- Using the possibility of exploring the use of this
- This the old what we call the old Bunder and Robertson building are using that land for a hotel
- that will serve the Convention Center
- And we have continued the conversations with
- With a hotel developer that was chosen by the CIB and
- We are at the stage where
- We in order to sort of move the negotiations further. We need to know how much money
- That it's going to take to build this hotel. We have several options where we could you know hotels
- these days
- Don't generally get built, you know, just sort of something like a convention center without some
- public incentives
- And so we hired
- Scott Chen who is our outside council working with us on our side to negotiate with a hotel
- developer what?
- Incentives are appropriate in what form they can take the form of things like tax evasions
- Just cash
- You know TIF funding other sorts of things bond
- Financing and so we we haven't figured out, you know what the amount of incentive is yet
- We're still trying to understand. Are we going to provide incentives and just sort of walk away and
- say hey, you know developer
- here you go, or if we're going to try to be a little more creative and
- And do something like Carmel did where they became a partner in the hotel development
- and so
- the last conversation we had with the developer and with
- Scott Chen in the room was
- about getting a design done for the hotel and there was an architect that the hotel developer has
- in mind and
- as part of our
- Contribution as an incentive
- They asked if we would be willing to pay for the design for the hotel so that we can move the
- conversation forward
- obviously, whatever funds would be
- spent
- Towards the design would be counted on our side as a contribution
- towards
- incentives and so we said, you know Jane was in the in the room and
- I was and Anna. I think were you in there? I was out of town that day. Yeah, so
- And and I think Jessica was was there as well
- And so we said sure we're going to have a conversation with the redevelopment Commission and let
- them know
- That you've made the request that you would like the redevelopment Commission to appropriate
- $300,000
- For a hotel design and it would be counted as a contribution or incentive for the city of Bloomington
- We also know, you know, we have one appraisal for the land
- It's not my expectation that the city of Bloomington at least at this point in negotiations that
- the city
- Redevelopment Commission would sell the land. I think the city would probably want to keep the land
- there's some good reasons I think to keep it and have that also as a
- As kind of does our contribution, but anyway, we are we are here tonight to sort of share that that
- Information with you that we have this conversation that the hotel hotel developer would like
- For the Refund Commission to front the design cost to be counted as a contribution and to get your
- reaction to that
- I'll add to that that it's preliminary design. This isn't designing the entire hotel project
- This is to determine how much space do they need? How would that space be laid out?
- You know, how many floors would it be? How many units would it be?
- and do some renderings of what it might look like the
- Discussion was that they there's three acres there and they made me too. So
- What would that other paper look like? Where would it be?
- And so to get they need to get that amount of information to get
- Preliminary cost estimates or what this is actually going to be. So this is the stepping stone
- the next stepping stone from the one that you've just taken here to get to
- We're what kind of size of project is this is this something that you know
- The RDC is interested in moving forward with or not or how in what manner?
- But there's no way to
- Structure a deal if you don't have some concept of
- What the cost is is going to be so I just want to make sure that this you know, this is preliminary
- design
- and
- In those kind of things that are necessary to to build good cost
- Thank you open it to questions and comments from commissioners on resolution 2562
- There there's nothing that's attached and this does not commit anything other than work
- Committing to if you committed to this tonight, so there's no further commitment being made
- But without
- And having a project budget. We don't know what they're going to need
- Or what might make it a tight score for them or what and what's going to make good for the for the
- city?
- Development here, you know the proven visit Bloomington coming down there and there's going to be a
- lot
- a lot of selling of Bloomington
- to come here and
- Enjoy all the things that we have
- and but can't
- Even get to negotiating that what that package might look like without getting a budget
- So that's what this is for a budget and some rendering so you can kind of start getting a picture
- in your head
- What this could be like
- Has there been any opportunity for mr. Chen to provide you know based on his expertise a bigger
- picture of I realized that
- Certainly these preliminary design would help with understanding again the total project cost and
- what other incentives might be warranted
- But nonetheless, I feel like I'd like to know a little bit more about you know
- Again, we've talked a little bit about is the city donating the land or retaining the ownership
- I mean, there's various things. I just feel like I need a little bit more of a menu going on
- besides just this
- initial step and I again I understand there are unknowns that this is intended to help resolve to
- some extent but
- At least for someone, you know again someone with his expertise who understands
- Bringing again this kind of public-private element into a hotel
- Construction love to hear a little bit more of the menu that he's has in mind where this fits into
- that
- That's at least my point of view
- I can I can try to address that I'm certainly not such in but I can tell you that
- You know
- There's a kind of a fork in the road that the city will have to determine do we want to be a
- partner with?
- Developer and and I when I say the city I in my mind, that's the redevelopment commission
- It's and we're not at that fork in the road yet
- But at some point the city will have to determine the city redevelopment commission will have to
- determine
- Do they want to be a partner with the hotel of developers?
- This is a good use of tiff dollars in order to incentivize the redevelopment of that three acre
- parcel and
- Do you want to be a partner with the developer or not?
- Do you want to give incentive if you don't want to be a partner and again what that partnership
- relationship looks like?
- You know, what percentage does each own all of that? We are very far away
- We don't have no idea what that is
- We would work out a letter of intent with the hotel developer and that would come to the redevelopment
- commission or Google
- We are talking about about developing a letter of intent, but we're not there yet
- and
- But you know, we just talked about what would that even look like
- Any if the redevelopment commission says hey, you know, we don't want to be a partner
- And the hotel developer says okay, we'll do it. We'll develop it
- But we're gonna need X amount of incentives and to the question that was previously asked
- How much would that be?
- We are hearing in the neighborhood of
- Tens of billions of dollars is what like for example scutcheon is outside council working in Indianapolis
- and obviously that's a bigger project than ours, but
- You know, he's he's familiar with that. It doesn't think you know that
- That much incentive is unrealistic now as Dana said
- So so and I want to make sure I answer your question
- Deborah, but as Dana said this is just the preliminary design and
- We would it would get us a little bit closer to figuring out
- How much money we're actually talking about
- Because and also I think they're Dana correct me if I'm wrong or and Anna are we already doing the
- soil borings?
- Does that already happen? We're we're already working on it. Yes
- We have phase ones and soil borings that are ongoing
- So these are sort of the list of things that need to be done sort of orange the environmentals
- Get a preliminary design and then we'll sort of get closer, but I think we can certainly ask Scott
- to show up
- At a subsequent RDC meeting and and will be welcome
- Yeah, I think I'd be great. He does live in Wilmington by the way, so it's not a long drive for him.
- Okay
- Are there comments or questions from commissioners? Yeah
- so Margie
- At some point in my mind and I realized that I deal more in the private sector and not public
- private so
- Equation may be different, but at some point they need to see the buyer/tenant have some vested
- interest
- and
- not just for
- The RDC to continue to bankroll the investigation and then we don't at the end of the day. We have
- no deal
- I
- Thought it was a very
- Considering where we are in this process which up until just now. I didn't think I didn't you know
- that we're had it you had any meetings
- It I found it odd that
- That they're asking us to spend 300,000
- Typically that would come that that investigation would be
- Would be at the expense of the
- tenant or buyer
- one of the things that we discussed with that is that
- Though Dora has been selected as one to enter in negotiations with it could be down the road that
- that's not
- Who want to partner with and by the RDC paying for those?
- Drawings and all that preliminary design that is property of the RDC
- The buyer is not taking that with them. That's still something that would benefit the RDC
- Even if the buyer or partner changed
- and
- so that that's
- That that was some of the discussion that came out of that is that who should own these and
- if there's going to be this time spent to get them done and
- Keep putting this down the road when round birkins tomorrow on the convention center. It seemed
- The consensus was and margin correctly tomorrow, but it would be best for the RDC
- Now I understand and totally agree with the principle of that if
- You know and I understand you say that this is not maybe a foregone conclusion that Dora is the
- partner
- but you know at this point there is a significant amount of
- Negotiation and work that's taking place to get them to the table
- But I would think that if the RDC were commissioning the preliminary drawings to scope the overall
- total project cost and
- Logistics that that would then be an opportunity to shop that out to perspective partners
- So I'm a little confused in terms of to me it seems like a little bit put in the cart before the
- horse to have
- The partner and then the design as opposed to design as a way to shop out the project and I again
- I'm not I'm talking just as someone that makes sense to me
- I welcome the input from folks more experienced in commercial development because I'm more on the
- residential side of things
- but that just that would make sense to me to
- Shop for a partner based on what we know that we own that we've commissioned for those preliminary
- drawings
- And if I could speak to that and the CID I don't know if you guys remember
- If anybody is paying attention the CID did go through a process
- Capital improvement board, which is it is a function of the agreement between the city and the
- county to allow this
- Press this project before because the county and the city were stalled the CID did vet partners and
- did pick
- Dora as the hotel partner now that was their recommendation to the city was hey that should be your
- hotel partner now
- As Dana points out there's just security and owning the plans those primary grunts
- That's that's and again if you put in a hundred thousand
- I think it's the due diligence and you put in another three hundred thousand. You're up to about
- four hundred thousand
- What we're told are, you know incentives that are requested for this
- We're nowhere near the cap of that, but I do carry you a boat
- I do think that we are
- again, if you decide tonight, we told them that we would come to you and get your reaction and your
- reaction is I don't
- Want to do it and I want to hear Scott Chen and I want to hear from the hotel developer
- You know that's we can take that information back
- I do think that at some point, you know, somebody's got to make a move to move this ball forward
- We are and if you guys also want to have a redevelopment Commission member one
- I don't want to have a forum obviously so we have to post a meeting
- But if you'd like to have a representative of the redeveloped Commission
- You know that somebody can join in our conversations. That's totally fine, too
- I just these are not the kind of negotiations though that you that you are negotiating, you know in
- a public meeting
- Margie that brings me to one question in regards to it
- And when is our executive commission since we're talking about potential disposition or partnering
- on real estate?
- Our next executive session is scheduled for the 17th. So the 17th margin
- Okay, does that put us in a position if we either held an executive session or?
- Waited to the 17th to make a decision so we could because we're talking about disposition of
- property the lease property
- Hold on to it partner with it, and I don't know if that falls under those
- Conditions in regards to have a discussion. Yeah
- I mean again, I'm not suggesting that the redeveloped Commission divest themselves of this property,
- right but
- You know that is not something that I'm proposing tonight, but you could certainly talk about
- selling property in an executive session
- And and has that notice already been posted not yet
- And do we have an RDC meeting that same?
- We have an RDC meeting on the 16th
- We could not facilitate the executive session prior to this the meeting on the 16th
- So we have pivoted we do have the ability to reach form on the 17th at 430
- Could we move our redevelopment to the 17th?
- The reason I'm asking that question is trying to move this thing forward as you know chicken and
- eggs Margie put it that we continue to
- Do it, but we're not putting ourselves in a situation that we're right at this present moment. We
- yeah, because I want I
- Okay
- That's right, we have a public hearing scheduled for the 16th, unfortunately, so we're
- Okay from an RDC standpoint
- You would if you moved the July 7th meeting up to the 30th that would give you only a couple weeks
- I'm just trying to condense any time frame
- At the present moment we put we put a hundred thousand dollars in so far to do the
- Environmental and the absolute necessities to find out so we're a hundred in this is a
- Right due diligence, but we also have legal fees legal fees
- Which you know are required to do this but trying to move forward on this in the most expeditious
- manner
- But still have a little time to review and as the resolution put under you know
- to putting in the
- People that will be looking at it from that standpoint to try to establish an RDC member on
- That committee and any other individual and we've got a good representation
- Financially and capitalized from the city. I just think it would be imperative to have at least one
- RDC member so that we're apprised accordingly
- In another possibility you could have is to do a special
- Session after the executive session, which should be fine
- So just hang out for another 15 20 minutes and have a special man
- I just think there's there's things we need to kind of oversee before we start bringing things
- through and spending
- another 300 without us having a good understanding of where it's going to go to because we all know
- and
- Hopefully most of us will be at the groundbreaking tomorrow. The Convention Center is happening
- And a host hotel is needed in order to move it forward and we happen to have the property they
- suggested so
- But how does the rest of the board feel in regards to trying to move something forward?
- What is the source again of dollars for this 300,000?
- There you go
- I'm satisfied
- Particularly since we own the data that comes from this process
- That that is an entirely appropriate use of TIF funding and it oh by the way, it's a pretty damn
- smart one, too
- so
- I'm very satisfied with that. I understand the concerns. I understand that people have questions
- about
- Well, how much money are we going to need to put up here? I understand those questions
- But having seen the due diligence done by the CIB and maybe Jeff McKim would even want to comment
- on that
- Having seen the process they went through to look at potential hotel partners
- Given the very nature of TIF funds and what they're meant to do
- I'm so I'd be satisfied with supporting this moving forward
- So just to clarify I don't I think it's a good it's an appropriate use I have no question about
- that
- I think it's the cart before the horse
- that's
- That's my issue. Well the Randy's point we should know a little bit more about
- Where we are in this project before we just write a check for another
- $300,000 which and how in our in in our in in the argument can be made that the
- Buyer slash tenant should participate. We'd like to see some vested interest on
- On their part not all coming back to the TIF fund every time, you know, there's another due
- diligence need
- Letter intent would move things forward accordingly and because their presentation that door did
- was
- Absolutely the best of the ones the CIV went through due diligence in regards to identify
- but as the property owner and the fact we've got six point eight million dollars in that property
- and to be
- Responsible on what we're doing tip funds is great to it's it's the appropriate use
- but I'd like to at least have be able to have that discussion of
- Land that land disposition land lease whatever the circumstances are so we have a good
- understanding before we appropriate
- And it may just be me but we put a hundred thousand in which was absolute necessity because if that
- came back bad
- We would have an issue anyway
- It would be done. I think Margie touched on this a little bit, but without knowing
- More about the cost. It's hard to know what the structure is. So it's a chicken and an egg
- Situation which one comes first. I understand your your desire to have those conversations
- But we're still going to need to have some sort of design work to understand what we're looking at
- or what the structure needs to be
- And let me and just point out something to one of the Senate built on hit us this year
- and really
- One of the reasons
- That our interest was peaked and possibly having the redeveloped commission
- Be a partner in this project the way that Carmel did it is because it may be a way to bring in
- Continuing revenue in a TIF district and and we have expiration dates on our TIF district
- so we're looking at if you're going to put in the kind of incentives that
- For this kind of a brand you said we're going to have a convention center breaking ground tomorrow
- We're going to have to have a host hotel. We know where we want the host hotel
- We own the land that can be contributed on our side
- And if we're going to come to the table to negotiate an LOI
- And we said we have eight million dollars for the land and we put up four hundred thousand dollars
- and we did a design
- I think we're in a decent position to negotiate an LOI
- So if I'm if I'd rather the City Redevelopment Commission be a partner and make money on this deal
- Then to get tens of you know millions of dollars incentive and get nothing out of it for return and
- investment and so
- You have to spend money sometimes to make money and this is a little I have fully warned the other
- side
- They're giving people scratching their head and moving to be like what the city?
- That's weird, but you know that is the way that things are going in terms of
- These kinds of projects and I think Anna aren't we all going aren't we going to a Redevelopment
- Association?
- Meeting in Carmel to talk about how they did their project when is that?
- And so, you know staff is if you don't work, you know
- We're trying to work to try to get the information to you if there's I'm giving you
- Pretty much all the information. I think I have on this and where we've what we've done so far and
- where we're headed
- I don't know. I mean again, we can invite Scott to a meeting to share that with you, but
- At some point, you know, somebody's got to design this do the preliminary design
- I personally like to have the Redevelopment Commission in that that work
- And that's another reason why I think it's a smart move for you guys to appropriate the money for
- it
- And it and again, it makes it makes us look like you know, we're serious about this when we're
- negotiating our LOI
- And to add on to that
- to me the ownership of
- The documents is important
- also, the the fact that there could be a continued revenue stream is
- Could really going to be important to the RDC as time goes on
- But the third thing that's really important is that if the RDC is a partner in this
- The RDC can make sure that this stays as a premier hotel and it just didn't get turned over to
- somebody
- could be a partner you can make sure that monies are put back each year because
- typically on a
- Hotel every seven years they replace carpeting and all this stuff every 14 years
- they replace almost all the cabinetry and everything else and other designs so the
- Method that you do that is you put money back each year capital so that you pay cash for it when
- that happens and
- If you have somebody else controlling that they may or may not be putting the money back
- They may or may not do the upgrades that need to be done to keep everything fresh and vital
- Like you were talking about Hoco and we talked about the trades district, you know making it
- keeping it vibrant
- Hotel being a partner in the hotel is also a great way to be
- Be in control of the destiny of how nice the facilities remains
- And Margie to your point about it takes money to make money
- That's true, but I've been a lot more impressed if Dora had come to the table and said hey, would
- you split it with us?
- because we need to have you know, it's information that we absolutely have to have and
- Well, we'll invest with you I
- Don't know what they've already spent. I mean they're they have spent
- This obviously spent money in preparing for the CAB and I don't know what else they have spent on
- their end
- We certainly can find that out if you think that they're not I mean they seem committed. They seem
- to want to do this project
- I don't think they're gonna walk away from the table if that's the concern
- I
- We did hear very good things from sketch in about as being you know, one of the better they develop
- hotels in Bloomington
- You're one of the more solid developers
- You know, so but again, I understand and I hear you out of there that you want them to bring
- something to the table
- And I think that's what an LOI does is it does you know, this is what we've done so far
- You know, this is what you've done so far. Here's where we're gonna go forward with us
- And
- And again, we already have one example of a hotel that here in Bloomington built around the
- convention center
- but the owner has no incentive to put additional money into it and
- They're making you know, they're making money on it. They haven't wanted to upgrade it
- we we kind of like to make sure that this becomes the
- You know premiere hotel or the convention center and that it's Dana said we have some continued
- control over the project
- And and possibly, you know, ideally the goal is to have a good return on the investment
- A lot of goals and good thing good
- Something's going to happen. It's just a matter of chicken and egg
- and I'm just looking at how we make sure that we move it forward as quickly as possible without
- just
- Throwing things because we don't have our one report back yet on our borings
- Put that money right and I mean that could blow everything up
- It's it won't I I'm fully confident based on my history of Bloomington, Indiana that will be okay
- But yeah
- You know one of the things that we talked about was trying to make this the most sustainable
- project possible
- And an idea for example if you harvest the limestone out when you're when you're digging, you know
- If let's say imagine there's underground parking. I'm just making that up imagine there's
- underground parking under the hotel
- And if you hit rock, can you turn around and reuse that rock and make it as part of the project
- make limestone part of project?
- To truly make it sustainable, you know, so I would welcome the opportunity for one of the redevelopment
- Commission members to join us
- So that when we come back to these meetings and give you reports you have a trusted member
- The redevelopment Commission who's been part of it. I think that would be wonderful if you guys
- would like to pick somebody to do that
- That would help us out a lot. I
- Would I would look forward to doing that and see if mr.
- West or if anyone else here would like to do it
- Well, that might be a separate item of business
- But right now we have resolution 2562 on the table. We've had ample
- Commissioner discussion. I'm gonna move to invite public comment either online or in person
- We see mr. McAfee
- I was I was asked by the capital board to sit on that committee that selected door. I just wanted
- to say that
- It's going to the road. Can we do things in our own unique way everything?
- This certainly was a unique situation
- the the three the three spots that we
- They were looking at two of them were owned by the county that had been banked for this expansion
- years ago
- But then the north side that they obviously chose the best location the capital square building the
- city and so that's why
- You know, that was why it reverted back to your group to negotiate that so there's a chance
- They could have shown the spot to the south or west of the convention center, but they didn't so
- that I think that's why it happened this way
- Any other public comment I
- Will if there's no further Commissioner comment, I will invite a motion for this resolution
- I'm gonna shock Margie and move for approval of 25 - 62
- All in favor say aye
- Any opposed
- You are opposed, okay
- And the only reason for opposition is simply before I'd like a little more information that's all
- that's been made clear
- So we have one opposed and four in favor and the motion passes
- Okay, thank you for that discussion next item of new businesses resolution 25 63
- approval of agreement for commercial cleaning services with
- Gc enterprises doing businesses office pride commercial cleaning services for the trades district
- garage
- Who would like to speak to that? I am happy to discuss it
- So as part of the lease agreement for the trades district garage
- Rdc is to fund operating expenses including the utilities and janitorial services among other
- expenses in
- exchange they receive
- So at the end of the year, it's all reconciled and you guys pay for it and they will pay us back
- essentially, I approved two months temporarily the contract had expired just
- So that they could continue services and not
- Miss any and so this is a more solid long-term contract that will go through May of 2026
- It's about twelve hundred and twenty five dollars a month for the cleaning services at the trades
- district garage
- Thank you any questions or comments from commissioners on this resolution
- Thank you
- Seeing none any public comment either in person or online
- Seeing none. I will entertain a motion on to resolution 2563
- Second we have a first and a second all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously.
- Thank you
- Next in our agenda is
- 2564 which is an approval of a first amendment to the CDBG funding agreement for the replacement of
- Siding at life designs. We have Matt Swinney with housing and neighborhood development. Thank you
- Hello
- So this is a 2024 project and it went out to bid
- They only got one bid back and it was considerably higher than what they had originally
- estimated for the project they
- Looked into putting it back out for bid
- They found that there was no interest from anyone else to bid on it again
- so
- We discussed the idea of adding funding to it to cover the additional cost to
- actually use some funding from when they came in under budget on a previous project and
- Additionally save time and let them continue to move on with the project. So
- We wanted to increase the funding for the project to
- Dollars
- Thank you any questions or comments on commissioners on this
- Approval of the First Amendment for CDBG funding then there's no way to put anything back out to
- get another comparison
- I I mean they they reached out to several people to try to see if there was interest in more
- bidding
- They got no response back. So
- Wow, yeah, I was surprised. I am surprised. Yeah, I'm a little surprised because I mean it's 65% of
- what our original approval was
- Yeah. Yeah, so I mean that in itself just a matter of as we look at CDBG funding
- I'm fortunate to get what we can how that money goes as far as it can in these processes
- so, yeah, they've looked at scaling the project back to but I would hate to have
- You know a portion of the building's redone and then the other one's not so
- The other thing to keep in mind too is that all CDBG funding is timed so we can't stretch it on
- forever
- Yeah, and the additional dollars are are coming from a savings from a previous project, yeah
- So saving one
- Costing the other time frame and just so everybody or we're aware on the Kobe Lane there. These are
- affordable units
- So that in itself is we need to maintain now at this increased cost doubtful if they come back for
- more. I
- Wouldn't think so this this I think believe it also has a contingency built in for anything that
- might come up as well
- so this should be
- All that would take to get all the buildings done for something is there is some savings
- It would come back to the hand work
- Okay, that works. Thank you
- Okay
- Thank you for the comments from commissioners any public comment
- Seeing none. I will invite a motion for resolution 25 64
- Move approval resolution 25 64
- Second got a first and a second all in favor say aye
- I
- Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Make sure you get on time now
- Okay, next item a new business is resolution 25 65 which is
- Sorry, my agenda did not jump down to it. It's not
- Linked there. Okay. There we are
- Approval of agreement for temporary use of city-owned property at Hopewell Development. Mr. Copper's
- here to talk to us
- so this is an agreement to
- Coordinate between two adjacent construction projects. The first project being the core building in
- the northwest corner of first and Rogers
- There's a map on page 127 of the packet if you don't already have it in your head
- and then the second project being
- part of the Hopewell construction so
- About half a block of Jackson Street to the west of the core building
- Portion of an alley to the north of the core building and then improvements on Roger Street to the
- east of the core building
- So practically surrounding the core project
- So we want to make sure that the two projects are talking to each other coordinating the core
- project needs access to their site
- Of course, they also
- need space for storage and staging of materials
- So this agreement just outlines how that coordination would happen
- Kind of who gets precedence if there is conflict timelines for that communication
- To try to make sure that both projects can be successful and come in without additional time or
- expense on either one of them
- I'd be happy to answer any questions
- Just based upon where this map is the yellow that we're looking at
- In regards to is that you mentioned that was a separate Hopewell project
- So are you talking the Jackson Street extension or what's our Hopewell project that's going to be
- involved in this?
- Yeah, so the the yellow is showing on this map is actually showing public right of way
- okay on the map the construction project if that is happening is
- Yes, the southern
- the southern block of Jackson Street, so
- From 1st Street up north half of a block and then also the alley that that's the yellow
- right of what you see along the north side of
- the core building and then also the block of Rogers between 1st and 2nd would see improvements and
- That is the construction
- that's
- Related to the Hopewell overall. It's kind of a piece that most
- Most helps the core core project. It's going to help the core project
- But it's part of a public work project that will be funded under the Hopewell
- Yes, and eventually that you know that whole you know, Western Hopewell area will get built out and
- gridded
- This is just a piece of it. That's most relevant. Okay, this is just
- Temporary and then the only other question I have in regards to it is based on us giving them the
- ability to do that
- The lease it says they'll put it back the way it was. Is that a correct statement? Yeah, so if they
- if they damage
- Change change property that's owned by the RTC. Yes, we require them to put it back. Okay
- I just want to make sure that we've got a documentation for that accordingly because well, it wasn't
- like that
- Let me find out. We have to pay to fix it again. Yeah, thank you
- The other questions or comments from commissioners if not on by public comment either in person or
- online
- Seeing none. I will invite a motion for resolution 2565. I'm sorry. Sorry
- To to the point Randy made about condition
- Is that in the agreement? So
- I'm looking at it now and I'm covering for another staff that
- Facilitate this so if anyone else here is more familiar with it
- I didn't really carefully enough to know for sure but it's a good point. I'll be in writing. I don't
- want to make it the assumption
- I mean, yes, so there's like liability insurance and things if something terribly wrong went wrong
- with property
- There's there's lots of language about exercising due care and operating professional manner, which
- I think could be argued to cover that as well
- No, the reason I asked this Neil in regards to it is when we tore down the old hospital
- We the core building had a perfectly good parking lot
- And if you look at the parking lot in that core building, it has a large gash in it where a heavy
- piece of equipment
- Damaged it and nobody knew anything about it
- So in order to make sure as we do this to help beautify and take care of our affordable housing and
- such
- I just want to make sure that as a responsible party for our community that
- If someone uses it, they put it back and as good or better condition than it left then then it
- started
- So I think it's a great question. I will you know, the area they're using is is grass, right?
- There's not as much to damage, but they could still I just want to make sure it's replanted
- put back in as good or
- Or good or better position and what they got it in and Dana
- I don't know if you were the attorney working on this or was not okay. I
- Asked Dana to look at this real quick to see
- It does say that ECM and its employees and subcontractors
- Contractors shall exercise due care and shall at all times act in a professional manner
- And they do have professional liability insurance and it's their profession to do that job I
- And they are having the city and redevelopment Commission as being additional insurers
- it does not specifically state they will return the property to its
- Previous condition
- Yet at the same time they have to exercise due care. And so therefore they
- If they didn't exercise due care, they would be in violation
- Well, I guess you could argue whether
- What do care is but that's would there be a problem?
- amending this we approve the resolution we get this amended just to add the sensor to the
- I think that solves the problem
- To clarify that it would have to be returned in the same or better condition that it wasn't really
- stick it in
- appropriate
- Okay, well, thank you
- With that discussion in mind do we have a motion for resolution 2565?
- I'll make a motion to approve 2565 as amended to put the condition back as good or as
- current or better, okay
- So we have a first and a second all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously
- And our last item of new business on tonight's agenda is resolution
- 2666 which is approval of payment of property insurance to Highland who would like to speak to that?
- I
- Would be glad to it'll be brief. This is the insurance premium for the forge
- Okay, so insurance premium any questions or comments from commissioners on the insurance premium
- for the forage
- Will we have it again next year? Yeah
- Okay, yes you will
- We do need to pay it. It's been floating around didn't cross
- our
- Eyes until recently so we do need to get this out
- It is for a year
- It's not something we can go without
- Okay
- Any questions or comments from commissioners if not, I will invite public comment
- Or is this part of a bigger policy and this is just the additional premium required for that
- building
- Risk in legal department handles all that coordination. I'm not aware
- I assume that it is as they shop multiple policies for multiple properties
- Are working on for Dana's suggestion on getting this policy in the Redevelopment Commission's name
- instead of just the city of Bloomington
- as well so that we can help make it clear to everyone
- They always
- Oh
- Okay, I'm not seeing any indications of public comment or
- Minor in person, so I will invite a motion for 2566
- Move approval of resolution 25 - 66
- First in a second all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously
- Thank you. So now we are at the last part of our agenda, which is for other business or general
- discussion
- I know one item was whether we wanted to move our
- July 7th meeting to June 30th, so I will just put that out there if there's anything further you
- want to say
- I think maybe we need to find out if we have quorum on July 7th first and then we can talk about
- whether you guys want to move
- Actually will be out of town. Okay on the 7th. Yeah, who else will be out?
- Pull it up to the daughter the grandchildren
- When you get to make a decision never
- I
- Plan to be I plan to be here. Okay, so we have quorum on the 7th. Would you like to keep it on the
- 7th?
- How does it handle how does that fit with our workflow and things we have to I think you'd and you
- would save a week
- if you did the 30th, but a week is
- But we'd have we would then not meet again until the 21st
- the July
- That's I'm good either way I'm a little prefer the 30th if it's if it's all the same to everyone
- else
- Actually, I was just reflecting and reviewing that last part of
- There's a few different things going on. I actually had it reversed where I'm out on the 30th
- I'm in on the 7th and but I think we have a quorum either way, so I'm open to either option
- It's up to you guys. I'm good either way
- Okay, shall we just stick with the seventh then just kind of I'm just
- feeling a little bit from having taken a
- Meeting off in May just because we didn't have a quorum and I'd love to just kind of keep us on
- peace
- And not have the backup that's going on even though I realize it would be a one-for-one swap
- It's still this feels like it's kind of there's a lot of stuff cooking. So
- You're saying we might not just it's not gonna be a shortage in that
- Okay, well it sounds like we're gonna keep it on the seven, okay
- Keeping on the seventh. That's fine. Okay, then Dana for quorum. Could they have two people come to
- the conversations about the
- Convention Center
- Can't do three because then
- so if you guys could figure out who you would like to join us or is
- If we have reoccurring meetings, I don't know if it would be
- cause more harm to have
- rotating members in
- Two is a good idea because you can't always count. I'm both being available. So there'll always be
- one person there
- So I think there would be
- You said you were already essentially
- Is that a conflict of interest or is that right just
- Well, I'd like to volunteer to be one of the members I like see yeah
- And then I would think there wouldn't be a conflict
- Because there's no conflicting goals
- Because the CID wouldn't have anything to do with the hotel
- At least
- If there are questions, let's wave off. Yeah, I'll volunteer no one else wants to do
- I don't know that's a question. I'm allowed to hear reports back down
- I look forward to hearing from the people who can attend
- Say based on what I saw from doors or reading doors presentation. I think it's a good choice to
- work with
- So you'll
- John and John, okay, so you'll loop us in okay. Awesome. Thank you gentlemen for
- offering your services to
- participate with the CID
- Anything else that would fall under?
- Way back our earlier conversation about about Dora and
- wanting more information wanting to
- Deborah as you put at the menu
- Did we conclude that we will add that to our agenda on the 17th that we will be able to or do we
- need to?
- convene in public session to do that
- because I
- Would be interested in having that conversation as well to really understand it that would be right.
- Mr. Chen
- I'd love to hear from him. It's just a matter of advice. So it's a public meeting or right
- Okay, and do we have room in the agenda? I was forward towards
- Could we do that on the 17th, right provided that mr. Chen is available?
- Calendars and you may need to enlarge the span of time then because yes
- That you can't allow 10 or 15 minutes and he's not available just looking ahead to one week
- It's right under our session with right his availability and learn first order of business tomorrow
- We'll try to get some dates and make sure that we can coordinate that we can plug it in on the 17th.
- Let's do it
- Okay, any other items of business that we should address before we adjourn one last thing
- I've been attending the CIB here or meetings
- As a last meeting, you know the CIB had a CIB indicated that he would like to have somebody there
- He's going to put it on the agenda every month for a report on the host hotel or ask about it
- So I just want to be you know, isn't Jane I think she is I just want I don't know if she saw it or
- heard it
- I just don't want her to be forewarned that it'll be on the CIB's agenda every month
- So that way we at least say we're working on it
- And what you're looping Randy and I just want to make clear we're not we're not interested in the
- CIB meetings
- It's the Dora meetings and the Scott Chen and just trying to understand the structure of the
- possible
- Just FYI the building corporation is going to start running its meetings parallel to the CIB
- So we will because very often the CIB meetings produce
- Stuff that we have to do so you can do it. I just say you do it after right?
- Okay, will you be doing it?
- Here and see how it will be probably convinced them
- Okay getting everybody together
- Any other items for general discussion before we adjourn
- No, but I will say that I think that it would be a really good idea of whatever gets reported back
- to the CIB is also
- Shared with the Redevelopment Commission because I do think there's some communication
- breakdowns so
- Thank you. That's an excellent recommendation
- Okay, I will take a motion to adjourn
- Thank you all for your time this evening broke a record for the longest meeting I know
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