WEBVTT 00:00:00.770 --> 00:00:08.499 - Welcome to the City of Bloomington Redevelopment Commission meeting for September 15, 2025. We'll start 00:00:08.499 --> 00:00:15.931 - the meeting with a roll call, please. Laura McRobbie, present. C. Scambillari, here. Randy Cassidy, 00:00:15.931 --> 00:00:23.437 - present. John West here doing electrical work. Deborah Meyerson here. We have staff present, please. 00:00:23.437 --> 00:00:28.862 - Christina Binley, hand department. Anna Killian Hanson, hand department. 00:00:30.146 --> 00:00:55.550 - Thank you all. So first item on our agenda is minutes from September 2nd, 2025. 00:00:56.002 --> 00:01:04.075 - Any questions or comments from commissioners? If not all, invite a motion, please. Move for approval. 00:01:04.075 --> 00:01:11.990 - Second. We've got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. 00:01:11.990 --> 00:01:19.904 - We do not. We are all here in person, at least for today. Next item in the agenda is examination of 00:01:19.904 --> 00:01:24.574 - claim register. We have September 12, 2025 for $77,669.42. 00:01:24.738 --> 00:01:32.798 - Any comments or questions from commissioners on the examination of point registers? If not, I will entertain 00:01:32.798 --> 00:01:40.488 - a motion, please. Move approval of the claim registers for September 12th. Second. I've got a question. 00:01:40.488 --> 00:01:48.178 - Go ahead and second, then I've got a question. Second. On page three, the Trinacom payment, should that 00:01:48.178 --> 00:01:51.358 - be out of that account or the TIF account? 00:01:56.578 --> 00:02:10.291 - Who is it? It's Tronicom, T-R-O-N-I-com, page three. I don't know who that is. I don't know who submitted 00:02:10.291 --> 00:02:23.228 - that claim. Well, I was looking at what the description was. And it just looked to me like it would 00:02:23.228 --> 00:02:26.462 - have been a TIF expense. 00:02:27.010 --> 00:02:43.198 - Because it's a capital expense, isn't it? It's not a routine maintenance or. Jane, it's for the Forge. 00:02:43.198 --> 00:02:53.886 - It's coming out of the 2519 account. It's doing an install, though. 00:02:55.074 --> 00:03:08.554 - I think it's an enhancement. That's our tech electronics charge. And it is installation and their invoice. 00:03:08.554 --> 00:03:23.294 - All right. Services. So I think you're right. So Jessica, that would mean? We'll do an expense adjustment. Good eye. 00:03:26.818 --> 00:03:33.912 - Any other questions or comments? Thanks for the catch. One question on two of five, and it's just got 00:03:33.912 --> 00:03:40.867 - to do with the Corps, Bloomington Housing Authority. That's the payment of four. Is that the fourth 00:03:40.867 --> 00:03:47.821 - payment? Is that all of them? Or is there additional payments that could be occurring? The Corps? I 00:03:47.821 --> 00:03:53.246 - would have to look it up. I'd have to look it up. Hold on. Anna, do you know? 00:03:56.162 --> 00:04:03.331 - I'm trying to understand, where are you seeing this? Well, it's under the hand department on page two 00:04:03.331 --> 00:04:09.797 - of five. It's one of the payments. I'm just verifying how many more we have to go, I think. 00:04:09.797 --> 00:04:17.106 - What was it, a million? Two? I'm sure there's probably more payments. We have a lot more payments. They 00:04:17.106 --> 00:04:21.534 - have not drawn down hardly all of it. I want to say they're... 00:04:22.306 --> 00:04:31.513 - I'm sorry. I don't quote me on this because this is off the top of my head. I know that they've only 00:04:31.513 --> 00:04:41.177 - turned in maybe about $600,000 worth of claims so far. So we're not there yet. OK. I just saw application 00:04:41.177 --> 00:04:50.658 - number four. So I was just wanting to verify the numbers. OK. Thank you. So with the redirected expense 00:04:50.658 --> 00:04:51.934 - to the TIF as 00:04:52.194 --> 00:05:01.490 - described by Mr. West. We have a first and a second. Would that amendment all in favor say aye? Aye. 00:05:01.490 --> 00:05:10.970 - Any opposed? Passes unanimously as amended. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is the payroll register 00:05:10.970 --> 00:05:19.070 - for September 5, 2025. Any comments or questions from commissioners? Move for approval. 00:05:19.618 --> 00:05:26.118 - Second. We've got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. 00:05:26.118 --> 00:05:32.749 - Now we're onto our reports from offices and committees. Do we have a report from the director? I know 00:05:32.749 --> 00:05:39.249 - that there's something in the packet. Well, there is one in the packet. I do want to just go over a 00:05:39.249 --> 00:05:45.945 - couple of things with you guys. So as noted in the packet, we did receive our grant agreement from HUD 00:05:45.945 --> 00:05:48.350 - last week. It's been fully executed. 00:05:48.674 --> 00:05:56.769 - As of today, what that means is that they have accepted our consolidated plan, our annual action plan, 00:05:56.769 --> 00:06:04.785 - and we are now able to move forward with our allocation of a little over $1.3 million. So big pats on 00:06:04.785 --> 00:06:12.644 - our backs because that was a lot to get through, but we are there. We do need to commission members 00:06:12.644 --> 00:06:16.574 - to serve on the 2025 Citizen Advisory Commission. 00:06:17.282 --> 00:06:24.241 - one for physical improvements, and one for social services. Right now, it's only two days that would 00:06:24.241 --> 00:06:31.269 - require your attention, November 7th at 5.30 PM and November 14th at 5.30 PM. I'm not sure if we have 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:38.642 - any volunteers to do that. And I apologize. I know you guys are already so committed with this commission, 00:06:38.642 --> 00:06:45.601 - but we would appreciate any help we could get. Anna, do you mean the 6th and the 13th? Yeah, because 00:06:45.601 --> 00:06:46.910 - those are Fridays. 00:06:47.106 --> 00:06:54.028 - at 530, which seems a little odd. That is the calendar that I was provided. It sounds like maybe they 00:06:54.028 --> 00:07:00.951 - didn't update it from the year previously. So the 6th and the 13th, right, it should be Thursdays. If 00:07:00.951 --> 00:07:07.941 - the 6th and the 13th are the corrected dates, I know that I will be away on the 6th, so not available, 00:07:07.941 --> 00:07:14.796 - unfortunately. Otherwise, I would be happy to volunteer. I'm actually traveling both weeks or else I 00:07:14.796 --> 00:07:15.678 - would do it. 00:07:18.658 --> 00:07:26.755 - I'll be here on the 6th, but not the 13th. I'll do physical, if someone wants to. It doesn't matter. 00:07:26.755 --> 00:07:34.852 - I'm here. I can't do the 6th. I could do the 14th. 13th. Or 13th. Is it possible? So we could record 00:07:34.852 --> 00:07:42.868 - the 6th, because I believe the voting is actually taking place on the 13th. So the 6th would be the 00:07:42.868 --> 00:07:47.518 - presentation. So if we were able to provide you guys with 00:07:47.842 --> 00:07:55.085 - a video and audio of the presentation, could I get a member that would come for just the one day on 00:07:55.085 --> 00:08:02.618 - the 13th? I would do social services if that could be arranged for the recording of the sixth. I really 00:08:02.618 --> 00:08:10.006 - appreciate it, and I'm sorry to ask. I'll follow back up with you individually following the meeting. 00:08:10.006 --> 00:08:16.670 - So also on the director's report, College Square, we're continuing to have some roof leaks. 00:08:17.346 --> 00:08:24.413 - We've been forced to deal with it while we still have tenants in the space, especially since Indiana 00:08:24.413 --> 00:08:31.619 - Legal Services is upstairs where a lot of the leaking has started to occur. Again, not trying to break 00:08:31.619 --> 00:08:38.755 - the bank, just trying to make sure that we're patched enough to make it through whatever we're doing. 00:08:38.755 --> 00:08:45.822 - Hopewell, I'm sure you guys have heard that during the remediation, we did uncover three fuel tanks. 00:08:46.210 --> 00:08:53.034 - on the first bucket we hit one on the second bucket we hit one and on the fifth bucket we hit one but 00:08:53.034 --> 00:08:59.791 - the good news is they are out of there at this point we do have some additional testing that we have 00:08:59.791 --> 00:09:06.614 - to do now and you do have an item on your agenda as a result of this same with 714 south roger street 00:09:06.614 --> 00:09:13.639 - when that got in there and i know i mentioned this last week or we'll try to our last meeting that there 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:14.910 - is some additional 00:09:15.042 --> 00:09:21.545 - mold growth than what they had originally anticipated, so they're going to need to demo a little bit 00:09:21.545 --> 00:09:28.113 - more. We are having some issues at Hopewell Common. We're having transients take off some boards from 00:09:28.113 --> 00:09:35.582 - the swings. We're not really sure why, but it's continuing to happen. We're also having some other vandalism occur. 00:09:36.354 --> 00:09:44.442 - The HVAC at the Trades District garage, we're still working on. We think we're getting there, and we 00:09:44.442 --> 00:09:52.770 - do have techs going out again this week. So that's it for my report. Moving on to other officers. CLARE 00:09:52.770 --> 00:10:01.018 - DUDALE. I've got a question. Anna, is there, we don't need to get into detail. Does the administration 00:10:01.018 --> 00:10:05.502 - still intend on potentially utilizing 714 South Rogers? 00:10:06.658 --> 00:10:14.977 - Yes. OK. Do we have any idea when something might occur on that, Anna? Not to put you on the spot, I'm 00:10:14.977 --> 00:10:23.135 - just trying to identify, because we continue to spend money on a building that we had a cost to tear 00:10:23.135 --> 00:10:31.374 - down. It is underway. I mean, part of the exercise right now has been to really look at our financial 00:10:31.374 --> 00:10:36.382 - numbers just to see what can we afford, what can't we afford. 00:10:36.578 --> 00:10:43.574 - how much is left on the life of the TIF and then how, what have we committed to thus far? Just so that 00:10:43.574 --> 00:10:50.366 - we're looking at the whole picture. We don't want to get in over our heads here. And so that's been 00:10:50.366 --> 00:10:57.294 - an exercise that Jessica has been working on. And so I think we're getting closer to a point where we 00:10:57.294 --> 00:11:03.678 - feel comfortable moving forward. I do think that it's going to be utilized one way or another 00:11:04.066 --> 00:11:10.517 - I mean, the bad thing about the 714 building and something that we've talked about previously is that 00:11:10.517 --> 00:11:17.284 - during demo, they cut the main to the building. So it had no electricity. And trying to get it electrified 00:11:17.284 --> 00:11:23.734 - again was a real challenge. Add in the fact that each room is individually heated and cooled. So it's 00:11:23.734 --> 00:11:30.059 - not just go get the furnace on to dry off the air. It's individually heated and cooled rooms, which 00:11:30.059 --> 00:11:33.790 - makes it complicated. So the only thing that can be really 00:11:34.370 --> 00:11:42.230 - have controlled air in an air handler for the common spaces. Well, when you have a moisture intrusion 00:11:42.230 --> 00:11:50.244 - issue, no electricity, mold growth. I mean, it's just been a recipe for disaster here. That being said, 00:11:50.244 --> 00:11:57.949 - I do feel comfortable with this process. The business that's in front of me this evening, it's demo 00:11:57.949 --> 00:12:00.030 - work that would need to be 00:12:00.418 --> 00:12:06.323 - undertaken no matter what. It's just at this point that we'd be best to go ahead and get some materials 00:12:06.323 --> 00:12:12.114 - out of there so that we don't have any conducive conditions for further mold growth. But yeah, it was 00:12:12.114 --> 00:12:17.792 - a comedy of errors with that particular building. And my main concern on it, as you said, is from a 00:12:17.792 --> 00:12:23.526 - fiscal standpoint and what we're looking with SB1, what we can financially afford. And we're looking 00:12:23.526 --> 00:12:29.374 - at a building that we've been dealing with in and out for several years. And at some point, do we just 00:12:29.698 --> 00:12:37.312 - pull the plug and build a new police station. But personal opinion on that? So it's just I hate to keep 00:12:37.312 --> 00:12:44.634 - spending dollars on that particular building when we're talking biologics and mold growth and we're 00:12:44.634 --> 00:12:51.956 - looking to rehab it into something else as a public use. So. Duly noted, but again, I do think that 00:12:51.956 --> 00:12:57.886 - we would be spending this much, if not more, on demolition anyway at some point. 00:12:59.938 --> 00:13:05.971 - Looking back over previous things, it was $250,000 to tear it down when we tore the hospital, but that's 00:13:05.971 --> 00:13:11.946 - been a couple years ago. So we seem to have spent more than that just trying to save it. At some point, 00:13:11.946 --> 00:13:18.093 - and I'm trying to think of what's a reasonable, let's say, even end of calendar year to have a checkpoint. 00:13:18.093 --> 00:13:24.126 - I mean, quarterly, it would make sense to do this, and that would just be the end of this month in terms 00:13:24.126 --> 00:13:26.654 - of looking at how much money has been spent 00:13:27.138 --> 00:13:33.312 - you know, maintenance and repair so far, review what the maybe current cost of demolition might be. 00:13:33.312 --> 00:13:39.733 - It might even just be updating the previous quote based on inflation or something just something rough, 00:13:39.733 --> 00:13:46.216 - not to spend money to get the estimate, but just to get and to compare that and then to get the timeline 00:13:46.216 --> 00:13:49.118 - for at least just, you know, what the possible 00:13:49.282 --> 00:13:56.561 - use of the building might be in terms of renovation, et cetera, just to kind of try and have some decision 00:13:56.561 --> 00:14:03.500 - points to look at. So I'm just asking, one might be a reasonable time to have all of that information 00:14:03.500 --> 00:14:07.582 - in front of us to review to just have as a reference point. 00:14:07.778 --> 00:14:14.556 - I believe that we could probably have something to you rather quickly for that review. That being said, 00:14:14.556 --> 00:14:21.400 - September is going to be a very busy month for that building. We're going to have a lot more information 00:14:21.400 --> 00:14:27.070 - to share with you, likely October, November. OK. Is that something that we could maybe 00:14:28.002 --> 00:14:34.626 - have monthly or bi-monthly just to kind of have it on the radar because otherwise just stuff keeps coming 00:14:34.626 --> 00:14:41.000 - in and it's just it's that trickle effect right of like a little bit here a little bit there but just 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:47.312 - to be like okay here's the revised calendar here's the total this you know to date and then again at 00:14:47.312 --> 00:14:53.374 - least the an updated cost of demolition just for comparison purposes at least it just helps with 00:14:53.762 --> 00:15:00.580 - maybe understanding the context of individual requests like mold remediation. Yep, absolutely. Because 00:15:00.580 --> 00:15:07.265 - we're to the same point on your report dealing with the College Square building. We have one tenant. 00:15:07.265 --> 00:15:14.149 - Is that a correct statement? And then we've got Weddle brothers. Two? Well, Weddle as well, yeah. Well, 00:15:14.149 --> 00:15:20.702 - yeah. I would like to hope that for free rent, Weddle's would fix the roof, but that won't happen. 00:15:21.410 --> 00:15:28.770 - But as it is, I mean, the great people, I have no issues. We cut our deal with them. But my main thing 00:15:28.770 --> 00:15:36.058 - is we're looking at two buildings at this present moment that we're looking to reutilize or to remove 00:15:36.058 --> 00:15:43.274 - in order to put our convention center hotel. And I just don't want to continue to put little bits of 00:15:43.274 --> 00:15:51.134 - money, as Deborah indicated. I'd like to know what that whole thing is and an idea of what we're going to do. 00:15:51.234 --> 00:15:59.009 - So we can be as fiscally conservative as we can, which I know you are, Anna. No questions. And then 00:15:59.009 --> 00:16:07.095 - the SB1 has gutted a lot of things. So with that, we want to kind of look at that. So to Debra's point. 00:16:07.095 --> 00:16:14.871 - Absolutely. And you know, Indian Legal Services lease is coming to an end. So when that terminates, 00:16:14.871 --> 00:16:20.702 - we really won't have such a need there until we can decide the future use. 00:16:21.026 --> 00:16:27.396 - Is that the end of the calendar year for their lease? Or what's the, I don't, just remind me the end 00:16:27.396 --> 00:16:33.765 - date? Yes. Okay. And they have indicated that they might be able to get out earlier. Okay. That'd be 00:16:33.765 --> 00:16:39.631 - nice just to have one less thing to shepherd along here. Okay. Can I ask one other question? 00:16:39.631 --> 00:16:46.063 - Please do. Hey, Anna, you kind of, you glossed over the vandalism at Hopewell Commons, but do we have 00:16:46.063 --> 00:16:49.406 - a plan of some sort to try to mitigate that problem? 00:16:50.274 --> 00:16:59.933 - Yeah, we're working right now with our MSI team and then with Parks as well. So MSI is employed by Parks 00:16:59.933 --> 00:17:09.407 - to patrol the B line and switch yard. And then we also have a Hopewell patrol. So we're trying to make 00:17:09.407 --> 00:17:18.606 - sure that we have full coverage over there. That being said, it seems like the issues are happening 00:17:18.606 --> 00:17:19.710 - after 2 AM. 00:17:20.578 --> 00:17:28.082 - So we're working on a plan to address that. OK, thank you. OK, thank you for that report. Next on our 00:17:28.082 --> 00:17:35.440 - agenda? Other reports. Yeah, next report on our agenda. Sorry, that's what I was trying to say. I'm 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:42.797 - here for questions, but I have nothing specific. OK, thank you. Do we have a treasurer's report? No 00:17:42.797 --> 00:17:48.094 - treasurer's report at this time. Thank you. We still have enough money. 00:17:48.866 --> 00:17:56.039 - We'll ask that every time. Do we have a business development update? I don't think I have anything for 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:03.143 - today. Thank you. OK. Thank you all for being available and present. So we're on to our new business, 00:18:03.143 --> 00:18:10.316 - which the first item on our agenda is resolution 25-116, the approval of an addendum number two to the 00:18:10.316 --> 00:18:18.046 - Vet Environmental Engineering LLC agreement regarding 714 South Roger Street, such as we were just discussing. 00:18:18.178 --> 00:18:29.035 - Who'd like to speak to that? I'm happy to speak to it again. So this is an addendum to an already passed 00:18:29.035 --> 00:18:39.581 - resolution for mold mitigation at the 714 building. When they got in there, they found that there was 00:18:39.581 --> 00:18:46.302 - mold growing even on steel and just on the main level, at least, 00:18:46.786 --> 00:18:59.656 - So it's going to require an additional amount that would increase it by $50,000 for the remediation 00:18:59.656 --> 00:19:13.556 - for a total not to exceed of $75,000. Thank you. Any questions or comments from commissioners on resolution 00:19:13.556 --> 00:19:15.486 - 25116? If not. 00:19:15.650 --> 00:19:25.791 - I will welcome a motion. No one wants to move from old. All right, I'll move approval of resolution 00:19:25.791 --> 00:19:36.033 - 25-116. Second. We've got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. So we've 00:19:36.033 --> 00:19:39.582 - got four in favor and one opposed. 00:19:42.114 --> 00:19:50.467 - Next item on the agenda is resolution 25-117. This is addendum number one to an agreement also with 00:19:50.467 --> 00:19:58.820 - VET Environmental Engineering for environmental remediation services at Hopewell. Who would like to 00:19:58.820 --> 00:20:07.006 - speak to that? Hi. Me again. So as you're aware, we approved VET to go in and do the remediation. 00:20:07.298 --> 00:20:17.463 - contamination remediation at Hopewell West. So primarily at the corner of 2nd and Rogers Street. Again, 00:20:17.463 --> 00:20:28.117 - when they got in there, they ended up hitting three fuel tanks. And so as a result, the costs have increased 00:20:28.117 --> 00:20:35.838 - to dispose of these oil tanks. So the original resolution was for $152,486.26. 00:20:36.386 --> 00:20:46.933 - The addendum adds $63,404.33. So, something that's required, it's something that we really needed to 00:20:46.933 --> 00:20:57.898 - take care of, and this is still aligning with our IDEM contamination plan as well. It just doesn't align 00:20:57.898 --> 00:21:02.910 - with our budget. I know, but I have to say that 00:21:03.010 --> 00:21:10.396 - I am pleasantly surprised by the amount for the contamination cleanup. I was actually originally anticipating 00:21:10.396 --> 00:21:17.446 - significantly more than both the original contract and the addendum. Was there any indication that there 00:21:17.446 --> 00:21:24.160 - were tanks? They just didn't know where they were as opposed to these were not a complete surprise, 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:30.942 - right? I mean, there's some indication of what this land use was. So is the additional just because? 00:21:31.202 --> 00:21:37.552 - we'll know when we see it and the kind of thing, or just help me with understanding in terms of what 00:21:37.552 --> 00:21:43.840 - the due diligence was before the digging started and then what they found and how that all adds up. 00:21:43.840 --> 00:21:50.378 - I'm going to let Dana, who was a former environmental consultant, answer a lot of this. But let me just 00:21:50.378 --> 00:21:56.729 - phrase this by saying that this site is one of the most studied sites that I've ever seen. We've had 00:21:56.729 --> 00:21:59.998 - three phase ones and at least that many phase twos. 00:22:00.386 --> 00:22:09.393 - with including sonar radar to try and detect where any tanks might be. Dana, you want to kind of explain 00:22:09.393 --> 00:22:17.972 - from your point of view? Yeah. Basically, they did use technology to try to find underground tanks. 00:22:17.972 --> 00:22:26.550 - And it came up inconclusive that there wasn't. And the tanks were full. And so therefore, as far as 00:22:26.550 --> 00:22:28.094 - water, I'm sorry. 00:22:28.194 --> 00:22:38.792 - They were full of water, so therefore there was no hollow areas for them to have encountered. I actually 00:22:38.792 --> 00:22:48.886 - haven't read that particular study, but that was done. And there was a number of sampling done, but 00:22:48.886 --> 00:22:57.566 - it just so happens where you put down the holes and where you actually find the tank. 00:22:57.954 --> 00:23:06.562 - And to be honest, these three tanks were up against the road. To me, there could be additional tanks. 00:23:06.562 --> 00:23:15.170 - Because they're, looking at the sand board maps, when I looked at them, it looked like there were two 00:23:15.170 --> 00:23:23.694 - generations of gas stations there. The first one is shown in 1947, I believe, and it had three tanks 00:23:23.694 --> 00:23:27.070 - behind the building at Setcaddy Corner. 00:23:27.426 --> 00:23:36.172 - These are along the roadway and these were 10,000 gallon tanks. In 1947, you did not use 10,000 gallon 00:23:36.172 --> 00:23:44.749 - tanks. Two, three thousand gallon tanks were more the norm. So it is possible as they continue doing 00:23:44.749 --> 00:23:53.410 - their work and go farther west that they could encounter. Now those tanks may have been removed. They 00:23:53.410 --> 00:23:56.382 - may not have. There's just no way. 00:23:56.546 --> 00:24:04.880 - of knowing. I know that on one site that I had back when I did environmental work, there was two generations 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:12.526 - of gas stations. And when they built a new building, they poured the foundation over top of the old 00:24:12.526 --> 00:24:20.248 - tanks. So the only thing I can tell you is on sites like this, you just don't know what you're going 00:24:20.248 --> 00:24:25.982 - to find until you get into them. You really don't. I know that other site. 00:24:26.146 --> 00:24:36.427 - locally where all the work was done and they ended up finding that there was a small gas station where 00:24:36.427 --> 00:24:46.708 - none was ever reported to have been and tanks remained that had to be dealt with. So I'm not surprised 00:24:46.708 --> 00:24:51.998 - personally that they found tanks here. I am actually 00:24:52.642 --> 00:25:02.572 - happy the fact that $60,000 to deal with the tanks is actually not that bad, to be quite honest. And 00:25:02.572 --> 00:25:12.699 - so because they were already there, they already had equipment. I do not feel that it was a bad price. 00:25:12.699 --> 00:25:20.958 - But on a site like Hopewell that has been part of the downtown and used for so many 00:25:21.506 --> 00:25:28.631 - century plus, there's going to be things there that you just don't know until you encounter them. But 00:25:28.631 --> 00:25:35.965 - they did try with the technology to try to locate these things. It was just inconclusive and they didn't 00:25:35.965 --> 00:25:42.950 - locate them that way. There was no way to know from the aerial photographs that were in the reports 00:25:42.950 --> 00:25:49.726 - that I looked at or the Sandborne maps for the 1963 didn't show where those things were located. 00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:58.579 - the second generation. So there was nothing to typically indicate that those were right there in that 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:07.030 - location. So that's my two cents. Okay, that's good, just to get some perspective on that. A follow-up 00:26:07.030 --> 00:26:15.809 - question, Dana. I suppose there's been no soil testing to determine whether we've got some soil mitigation 00:26:15.809 --> 00:26:20.158 - that's going to have to be followed up with in these 00:26:20.290 --> 00:26:31.163 - in the area at these times? There had already been soil gas sampling in the general vicinity. And I 00:26:31.163 --> 00:26:42.037 - have not heard what they were doing for other waste management. So I can't tell you for sure. So as 00:26:42.037 --> 00:26:48.126 - part of our soil management plan, testing was required. 00:26:48.386 --> 00:26:56.426 - And so yes, we've had a ton of soil samples taken before, during, and after contamination. But was it 00:26:56.426 --> 00:27:04.308 - done at the specific spots where these tanks are, or is this going to be a new surprise for quality 00:27:04.308 --> 00:27:12.347 - of soil? I don't think that it's going to be a surprise. So one of the benefits of doing this project 00:27:12.347 --> 00:27:16.446 - while we have the Jackson Street under construction 00:27:16.546 --> 00:27:23.658 - was the soil management plan requires that when you're digging, that you take samples of the dirt that 00:27:23.658 --> 00:27:30.632 - you're digging. So as they're digging up for the Jackson Street project, they were taking samples of 00:27:30.632 --> 00:27:37.538 - it, confirming that it was clean before they put it back down into the contamination spot. They dug 00:27:37.538 --> 00:27:44.443 - down until they reached clean soil. It is my understanding that we now have a clean site. It's just 00:27:44.443 --> 00:27:46.238 - we're waiting to dump the 00:27:46.338 --> 00:27:53.941 - particular contamination barrels and fluid, which are in a holding tank right now until we can get the 00:27:53.941 --> 00:28:01.840 - sample results back. We've approved an expedited sampling. So the lab should be getting back to us instead 00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:08.926 - of in three weeks, hopefully in 10 days from the time of sampling. So more information to come. 00:28:09.282 --> 00:28:17.089 - That being said, we had no indication on blocks four through seven that there was additional contamination 00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:24.822 - beyond some arsenic in the soil up towards the corner building on 1st Street. So if there are more tanks, 00:28:24.822 --> 00:28:32.337 - we're not aware of them. It hasn't been part of any of the studies that have flagged that. But we have 00:28:32.337 --> 00:28:38.174 - had a ton of studies. I mean, a ton. I will say, too, that in looking at the US 00:28:38.466 --> 00:28:52.950 - disclosure spreadsheet that was attached to the amendment that they do have soil disposal. They do have 00:28:52.950 --> 00:29:07.294 - triaxles. They do have holding or the tanks for the liquids. So it appears that those and it does have 00:29:07.682 --> 00:29:16.782 - a significant amount of analytical testing. So it appears that those have been accounted for. Oh, I 00:29:16.782 --> 00:29:26.247 - see that now. Anna, I appreciate what you've said about this being one of the most studied sites you've 00:29:26.247 --> 00:29:35.438 - ever worked with. And this is where I get well beyond my area of expertise. But we seem to get a lot 00:29:35.438 --> 00:29:36.894 - of inconclusive 00:29:37.186 --> 00:29:44.667 - when it would really be helpful to have data, is there testing we are not doing? Is there technology 00:29:44.667 --> 00:29:52.592 - we're not using that would be somehow more reliable? Again, this is where I'm out of my area of expertise. 00:29:52.592 --> 00:29:59.999 - But if it's the most studied site and we're still being surprised, that concerns me a little. Well, 00:29:59.999 --> 00:30:05.406 - let me just say that it was not very clear that we had an issue until we 00:30:05.666 --> 00:30:13.404 - started our environmental review, our part 58 environmental review with VET. So there's been a multitude 00:30:13.404 --> 00:30:21.069 - of consultants on the site, many different ones. And so I can't say that the technology has, that we're 00:30:21.069 --> 00:30:28.734 - missing something on the technology. I can't tell you why things occurred the way they did, but we also 00:30:28.734 --> 00:30:31.166 - relied on studies that were done 00:30:31.522 --> 00:30:42.106 - on behalf of other organizations, not on behalf of the RDC until recently. Go ahead. No, I'm done. And 00:30:42.106 --> 00:30:52.689 - that we're doing, they came and found this. They weren't one of the previous individuals that did look 00:30:52.689 --> 00:31:00.190 - at this. They were not. So we had a couple other inconclusive individual 00:31:00.610 --> 00:31:08.485 - companies that did that, that flat missed it. And then we, as in me, when I voted to buy the hospital 00:31:08.485 --> 00:31:16.360 - side, I expected a clean side on the hospital. So while we may not have a legal right to ask them for 00:31:16.360 --> 00:31:24.390 - anything, I would hope that as a community member, they would have some moral obligation. I know that's 00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:29.022 - thinking way too big. But. I was not here nor part of this. 00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:36.719 - when this all was decided. But the offer to purchase the ground was an as-is offer. You're not going 00:31:36.719 --> 00:31:44.115 - to win that. Oh, I'm not looking to win. I'm just simply looking at it from a fiscal standpoint and 00:31:44.115 --> 00:31:51.880 - the standpoint. They tore the hospital down and expense. And this is something that was there for years. 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.134 - Obviously, it was either missed or ignored. 00:31:55.746 --> 00:32:02.609 - And it's an environmental issue that, as a community, we have to deal with from a fiscal standpoint. 00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:09.405 - We are the people to clean it up. But it just strikes me that while we need affordable housing, and 00:32:09.405 --> 00:32:16.336 - we need workforce housing, and it's a good location, and we're moving forward in the right direction, 00:32:16.336 --> 00:32:23.131 - I continue to be concerned about the little things that are coming up at 50,000, 100,000 at a time, 00:32:23.131 --> 00:32:24.830 - because it's real money. 00:32:26.434 --> 00:32:33.654 - Just my two cents. I can't say that as part of the initial, I mean, I was not involved, and so I don't 00:32:33.654 --> 00:32:40.664 - know what the conversations were in the process of purchasing the former hospital site. But it very 00:32:40.664 --> 00:32:47.955 - well could be that the administration and those that were involved were aware that it was a possibility 00:32:47.955 --> 00:32:54.334 - and didn't care. Just to throw that out there, as the devil's advocate, we don't know what 00:32:54.466 --> 00:33:00.980 - that that process was. What I do know is that it was an as-is offer, and it's there, and we 00:33:00.980 --> 00:33:08.273 - have a responsibility to our community to get it cleaned up. I don't disagree. I just did. I think the 00:33:08.273 --> 00:33:15.354 - price that we settled on in part offset that. We took it as-is, and we also took a price reduction. 00:33:15.354 --> 00:33:22.718 - As I recall, you took a price reduction against count. Do you remember how big the price reduction was? 00:33:23.298 --> 00:33:32.182 - I kind of do, but I don't think I want to just blurt it out and be wrong. So somebody might repeat me. 00:33:32.182 --> 00:33:41.152 - It does strike me. I mean, I sort of hesitate to say this, too, but we're talking about, what, 200,000? 00:33:41.152 --> 00:33:49.949 - No, just over 200,000 on a site that is worth a lot. I mean, obviously, well in excess of that to the 00:33:49.949 --> 00:33:53.054 - city. But this is only one example. 00:33:53.570 --> 00:34:01.663 - run into some others. I bet you we're into this for a million. That's I think that's really the question 00:34:01.663 --> 00:34:09.447 - about what are we actually spending to deal with all of this. But it has to be done. It seems like a 00:34:09.447 --> 00:34:17.616 - little bitter pill to swallow. It is a bitter pill to swallow. Because our anticipation as we have looked 00:34:17.616 --> 00:34:21.470 - forward and hope well in previous administration, 00:34:21.826 --> 00:34:30.164 - No responsibility on this administration in any capacity. I understand. You received it. You've done 00:34:30.164 --> 00:34:38.998 - a great job, Anna, with it. But trying to continue to get it done, and we find these environmental issues, 00:34:38.998 --> 00:34:47.749 - and as we look to redevelop it into housing, into commercial aspects, these throw other concerns, because 00:34:47.749 --> 00:34:51.134 - then we have to have our testing and the 00:34:51.330 --> 00:34:57.136 - development end of it, as people are looking to reuse this site, these type of environmental issues 00:34:57.136 --> 00:35:03.057 - create pause in that developmental. Well, if they've been taken care of, we probably that will. Well, 00:35:03.057 --> 00:35:08.863 - that's why we're trying to make sure that we can get some closure letters up front so that it's not 00:35:08.863 --> 00:35:14.959 - part of that. I mean, I think it's one thing if you have contamination that's known and you have a wreck 00:35:14.959 --> 00:35:20.126 - that's going to require an environmental covenant that's going to be highly restrictive. 00:35:20.418 --> 00:35:28.097 - But that's not what we have at this point. We're still talking to IIDEM, and hopefully we can get a 00:35:28.097 --> 00:35:36.006 - clean closure letter and move forward with the housing that we really need. Dana, do you have anything 00:35:36.006 --> 00:35:43.762 - to add to that? No. I agree in the fact that there was an offset kind of explains a few things to me 00:35:43.762 --> 00:35:49.982 - from what I've seen from previous reports that were done before the transaction. 00:35:50.466 --> 00:36:00.985 - So, and again, whether, no matter what your report had, that this is not too common, you know, to find 00:36:00.985 --> 00:36:11.197 - these kind of things. And it is great, though, to be able to get them addressed and get the closure 00:36:11.197 --> 00:36:20.286 - letters because that is going to go a long way with assuring people that these are sites 00:36:20.674 --> 00:36:27.903 - You're developing. Because the people may want to buy and redevelop it, but the banks will have to back 00:36:27.903 --> 00:36:34.994 - it. And they're going to be the ones that will be concerned with any environmental aspects. And those 00:36:34.994 --> 00:36:42.432 - who I used to work with years ago, and they like closure letters. Thank you. Thank you for that discussion 00:36:42.432 --> 00:36:50.078 - on resolution 25-117. With no more comments or questions from commissioners, I'll open it for public comment. 00:36:51.362 --> 00:36:59.903 - Anything online or in person? Seeing none, I will open it for a motion. I'll move to approve 25-102. 00:36:59.903 --> 00:37:08.529 - That's 117. 172, excuse me. 117. 117? Second. Second. Got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. 00:37:08.529 --> 00:37:17.070 - Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. I'm going to take a quick aside from 116. I remember I did not 00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:21.214 - invite public comment, so I'm just going to ask. 00:37:21.954 --> 00:37:28.933 - Any advice in terms of that's been voted on and approved if you just want to make that complete? Obviously, 00:37:28.933 --> 00:37:35.588 - if there is no public comment, we can probably leave it as is, but I'm just going to ask legal how you 00:37:35.588 --> 00:37:42.179 - want to do it. That is fine. Technically, you don't have to have public comment. OK. I wasn't sure in 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:49.093 - terms of obligation for that. Only school boards are required to have public comment. OK. Well, if there's 00:37:49.093 --> 00:37:51.678 - anybody that does want it, let us know. 00:37:51.874 --> 00:37:58.597 - before this meeting is over, but I'm not going to otherwise break from the agenda. Thank you for that 00:37:58.597 --> 00:38:05.782 - advice. So next item on our agenda is resolution 25-118, the approval of an agreement with VET Environmental 00:38:05.782 --> 00:38:12.636 - Engineering LLC for environmental mold inspection at the Trades District Garage. This is just an agenda 00:38:12.636 --> 00:38:15.998 - all about VET. So who would like to speak to that? 00:38:17.058 --> 00:38:23.764 - All right, I'll take it. So essentially, as you know, I've been reporting to you guys that we've had 00:38:23.764 --> 00:38:30.404 - some issues at the trades district garage with the HVAC equipment really started with the fact that 00:38:30.404 --> 00:38:37.242 - they are oversized and there is no hot air reheat on them. So it's short cycling instead of drying out 00:38:37.242 --> 00:38:40.894 - the air. We've had an incredibly hot and humid summer. 00:38:41.826 --> 00:38:48.954 - At moments of time this summer, we had water dripping from the ductwork in addition to condensation 00:38:48.954 --> 00:38:56.723 - on the walls. So we are working on a solution right now. We think we are hoping, fingers crossed, everything 00:38:56.723 --> 00:39:04.350 - crossed, that we got it figured out. The tenants have not been able to occupy the space right now. They're 00:39:04.350 --> 00:39:09.054 - federal subcontractors and are tied to really specific standards. 00:39:09.154 --> 00:39:17.494 - When we met with them recently, one of the things that would make them feel better is to make sure that 00:39:17.494 --> 00:39:25.512 - there's no additional mold growth going on in the building as a result of the condensation from the 00:39:25.512 --> 00:39:33.852 - HVAC units. So this particular resolution is for $1,300, 1309.38, excuse me, for that mold testing just 00:39:33.852 --> 00:39:34.814 - to confirm. 00:39:36.994 --> 00:39:44.397 - We have no signs of it. We haven't noticed anything, but we really need to do an indoor air quality 00:39:44.397 --> 00:39:51.873 - sample to confirm. Any questions or comments from commissioners? Thank you for that report. I've got 00:39:51.873 --> 00:39:59.794 - a question, and I'm really not debating $1,300. And I think we discussed this before, but I don't remember 00:39:59.794 --> 00:40:05.790 - the response. If the equipment was specced incorrectly, do we have any recourse? 00:40:08.450 --> 00:40:16.335 - I haven't found a mechanism for recourse because what was installed was on the architect's drawing. 00:40:16.335 --> 00:40:24.220 - I think part of the issue is that the HVAC units that were installed anticipated a restaurant being 00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:32.420 - in the space, which has a great big vent hood, which makes sense if you have a hot kitchen. But because 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:38.334 - there's no hot kitchen after the build out, we started to see some issues. 00:40:39.522 --> 00:40:48.253 - Director Coopersmith is in the room, and she's also able to answer questions as well regarding the tenants. 00:40:48.253 --> 00:40:56.580 - Commissioner, do you have any additional questions? Well, in terms of the question about the specs and 00:40:56.580 --> 00:41:03.614 - understanding that maybe the original drawings were based on a different intended use, 00:41:03.874 --> 00:41:09.181 - And given that, there sounds like there, I don't know if there's yet a correlation between the original 00:41:09.181 --> 00:41:14.692 - specs, what was built, and the current issue. My question is, is there any, is this the tip of the iceberg, 00:41:14.692 --> 00:41:19.846 - or is there more stuff that's gonna be coming after this? Or, I mean, I realize we don't necessarily 00:41:19.846 --> 00:41:24.999 - know, but I'm just trying to get a sense of, again, that general theme we've got going this evening, 00:41:24.999 --> 00:41:30.204 - which is the scope. There's the little thing that's in front of us now on this resolution, but what's 00:41:30.204 --> 00:41:33.470 - the bigger picture for, in this case, the Trades Garage, right? 00:41:34.658 --> 00:41:42.161 - I mean, I can't promise that there will never be an additional issue with this space. But we have been 00:41:42.161 --> 00:41:49.810 - in the space with JD Boroff really carefully looking at windows and thresholds and talking to the tenant 00:41:49.810 --> 00:41:57.313 - about what was going on to try to make sure that we're not going to have additional issues. I will say 00:41:57.313 --> 00:42:02.558 - that the tenant took occupancy, if that's the right verb phrase, April. 00:42:02.882 --> 00:42:09.714 - first, and so they haven't been through a complete cycle. So I think the HVAC issues that we're correcting 00:42:09.714 --> 00:42:16.227 - now, I assume that those will support the space this winter, too, because we're working to adjust the 00:42:16.227 --> 00:42:22.804 - equipment and right size it for the space. So I think if we didn't make these corrections and then hit 00:42:22.804 --> 00:42:29.190 - winter, we would just have a different version of the same problem. Anna, do you have anything else 00:42:29.190 --> 00:42:32.510 - to add? I would like to jump in here because, look, 00:42:32.674 --> 00:42:39.959 - We got to be working smarter not harder and I think that that is my overall theme when we anytime we 00:42:39.959 --> 00:42:47.315 - build a building We absolutely need to be requiring any HVAC tech before they install equipment to be 00:42:47.315 --> 00:42:54.816 - running manual J and manual D calculations I reported that to you guys several times the fact that that 00:42:54.816 --> 00:42:58.206 - didn't happen appropriately is frustrating but 00:42:58.882 --> 00:43:05.670 - If we can make that requirement moving forward, then I don't think that we'll get into that kind of 00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:12.594 - a situation. But HVAC equipment has to be properly sized. At this point in time, we are not opting to 00:43:12.594 --> 00:43:19.586 - replace them, which was the first thing that I was told was that we needed to replace the units to the 00:43:19.586 --> 00:43:23.998 - tune of around $200,000. So right now we're making small changes 00:43:24.386 --> 00:43:31.698 - to try and make sure that we can get what we need out of the equipment. I mean, there's two 10 ton units 00:43:31.698 --> 00:43:38.732 - up there for a 4,500 square foot space that's way oversized. So we've tried just turning one off and 00:43:38.732 --> 00:43:45.696 - letting the fan run. We tried some other little adjustments to try and make sure that we're getting 00:43:45.696 --> 00:43:51.198 - the correct air exchanges. But again, there is a building science to this that 00:43:51.298 --> 00:43:58.778 - We really just need to be smart about and not get ourselves into projects without doing the evaluations. 00:43:58.778 --> 00:44:06.115 - Thank you. So is that being smart basically just using this as a lesson learned and kind of what we've 00:44:06.115 --> 00:44:11.102 - got in front of us is kind of the best fit for our current situation? 00:44:12.642 --> 00:44:19.735 - Yes, I am all about cost-effective repairs, and I do believe that this is, again, an inherited situation. 00:44:19.735 --> 00:44:26.761 - I had nothing to do with the designer scope of it, but now that my eyes are on it, Jane, me, facilities, 00:44:26.761 --> 00:44:33.051 - Dana, we're all over it and trying to make sure that we're making cost-effective repairs that 00:44:33.051 --> 00:44:39.876 - are appropriate, but then also making sure that moving forward, we don't get ourselves into this kind 00:44:39.876 --> 00:44:41.214 - of situation again. 00:44:45.634 --> 00:44:52.416 - Correct me if I'm wrong, but was this not a design build? What do you mean? That the city's designed? 00:44:52.416 --> 00:44:59.531 - I mean, it was like a spec. Yeah. The city's spec built. Yeah. It was spec built. Right. And the architect 00:44:59.531 --> 00:45:06.313 - just got it wrong, or the engineer. I mean, that's our understanding. Anna also observed, or Director 00:45:06.313 --> 00:45:12.962 - Killian Hansen also observed that there is inherently a pressure with sales relating to HVAC, where 00:45:12.962 --> 00:45:15.422 - you recommend a larger unit, you can 00:45:16.162 --> 00:45:23.612 - drive your revenues. I'm not speculating that about this particular vendor, but just that the calculations 00:45:23.612 --> 00:45:30.575 - that she's talking about become even more important for that reason, for the property owner to just 00:45:30.575 --> 00:45:37.886 - verify that what's being sold and recommended is actually correct. Randy, my recollection is that, well, 00:45:37.886 --> 00:45:44.222 - it was spec-billed. Correct me if I'm wrong, Anna, but we spec-billed it without a tenant. 00:45:44.418 --> 00:45:52.205 - We did the shell and the mechanical. And then we got a tenant. And then we did the leasehold. And the 00:45:52.205 --> 00:45:59.992 - mechanical was already there. That's my recollection. OK. That answers my question completely. So now 00:45:59.992 --> 00:46:07.703 - we're adjusting it for our tenant accordingly. So to her point about a restaurant, there was a 50-50 00:46:07.703 --> 00:46:12.894 - chance it might have been that use. I bet you it's probably got it. 00:46:13.250 --> 00:46:19.721 - a grease trap under it. Yeah. Well, there you go. There you go. That answers that question. Thank you. 00:46:19.721 --> 00:46:26.443 - Okay. But there's also way too much fresh air coming into the building. I mean, that's part of the problem 00:46:26.443 --> 00:46:32.913 - as well. So I think I am able to utilize a lot of my past knowledge and talk about insulated duct work 00:46:32.913 --> 00:46:39.447 - and making sure that we're right sizing equipment. And these are things that everybody should take home 00:46:39.447 --> 00:46:42.462 - with them for their own personal homes as well. 00:46:42.626 --> 00:46:51.153 - Right sized equipment. OK. Well, thank you for that discussion. If there's no further comments from 00:46:51.153 --> 00:46:59.766 - commissioners, we'll open it for any public comment, either online or in person. Seeing none, I will 00:46:59.766 --> 00:47:03.774 - invite a motion on resolution 25-118 in place. 00:47:04.482 --> 00:47:10.371 - I'll move approval of 25118. Second. We've got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. 00:47:10.371 --> 00:47:16.506 - Any opposed? Passes unanimously. OK. The last item on our agenda, which I notice is actually not on 00:47:16.506 --> 00:47:22.641 - the agenda, but it's in the packet. So just making sure that there's nothing else. OK. So we've got 00:47:22.641 --> 00:47:28.837 - 25119, approval of crash research and analysis incorporated key provisions of lease termination. Who 00:47:28.837 --> 00:47:31.966 - would like to speak to that? That would be me. OK. 00:47:32.194 --> 00:47:42.222 - And this is another one of our Showers West tenants who has negotiated a termination of their lease. 00:47:42.222 --> 00:47:52.150 - It is with Crash Research and Analysis Inc. And they are willing to vacate early as of October 1st. 00:47:52.150 --> 00:47:57.214 - They have found a new location at Fountain Square. 00:47:57.730 --> 00:48:06.975 - And they would like the RDC to provide the moving services for their personal property. But the tenant 00:48:06.975 --> 00:48:16.041 - must pack miscellaneous items, and they must handle all their IT equipment and devices. And there is 00:48:16.041 --> 00:48:25.286 - an estimated cost of less than $1,000 for that. The RDC will supply the tenant with two parking passes 00:48:25.286 --> 00:48:27.710 - for the 4th Street garage. 00:48:27.906 --> 00:48:38.143 - which is covering from October 1st of 25 to September 30th of 26, which you own that garage. And the 00:48:38.143 --> 00:48:49.191 - RDC will pay the tenant a sum of $1,000, not to exceed $1,000, for other expenses related to the termination 00:48:49.191 --> 00:48:57.502 - of the lease. That being that they needed a new countertop at their new location. 00:48:57.698 --> 00:49:10.724 - for $815 and then potentially for box and bubble wrap and tape that they'll turn in a receipt for the 00:49:10.724 --> 00:49:23.494 - other. It was determined that this was a very fair and amicable item. We worked hard with the crash 00:49:23.494 --> 00:49:27.070 - release and analysis folks. 00:49:27.234 --> 00:49:38.663 - And everything remained amicable. And we found that this was a very reasonable request. The city does 00:49:38.663 --> 00:49:49.980 - have a group that they have contract services with to do moving. And so though the RDC didn't have a 00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:55.582 - contract with them, we would use that same group. 00:49:55.938 --> 00:50:07.011 - And we've been working with JD Whorf to get that selected and ready to go. And my understanding is if 00:50:07.011 --> 00:50:17.975 - it goes well tonight, the moving crew will be there the morning of October 1st and we'll remove them 00:50:17.975 --> 00:50:23.294 - from the premises. So our cash outlay is $1,000. 00:50:23.970 --> 00:50:31.635 - $2,000. One for the move and one for the parking spaces. OK, so we are going to pay for the parking 00:50:31.635 --> 00:50:39.300 - spaces even though we own the garage. Well, there won't be a separate payment for them, no. But the 00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:46.965 - payment of $1,000 is up to $1,000 would be for the moving expenses, the moving company. And then up 00:50:46.965 --> 00:50:51.870 - to $1,000 for their countertop they needed and their packaging. 00:50:52.066 --> 00:51:01.512 - supplies. So there's a, this should be simple. There's a moving piece and then there's a parking piece. 00:51:01.512 --> 00:51:10.775 - There's a moving piece, a parking piece, and then an improvement to their fountain square location to 00:51:10.775 --> 00:51:20.766 - accommodate what they would be losing at Showers West. Okay, so where, I only see two issues here, not three. 00:51:21.442 --> 00:51:30.800 - All right, so first- And there's a bunch of typos, by the way. Not a bunch, but several. So the first, 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:39.522 - the direct payment for moving expenses would be at a cost of approximately $1,000 more or less. 00:51:39.522 --> 00:51:48.062 - And again, that is for the countertop and the, no, that is for the moving company. All right. 00:51:48.194 --> 00:51:56.262 - So the first $1,000 is for the moving company period. OK, stop there for a minute. In my opinion, that 00:51:56.262 --> 00:52:04.486 - needs to be a not to exceed number. And if it's an estimate and you think it's low, then make it $1,200. 00:52:04.486 --> 00:52:12.475 - I don't care. But that needs to be a not to exceed number, not an estimate. Yes, the estimate that we 00:52:12.475 --> 00:52:14.590 - received was $800 to $900. 00:52:15.330 --> 00:52:22.315 - I don't care what you want to put in there. I just wanted not to succeed. And then the second, that 00:52:22.315 --> 00:52:29.440 - there would be no payment for the parking garage because you own the parking garage. You wouldn't pay 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:36.494 - yourself for those passes. So you would just issue those passes. Do we have the ability to issue the 00:52:36.494 --> 00:52:43.689 - passes even though we own the garage? Because that parking garage, don't we have an agreement with the 00:52:43.689 --> 00:52:45.086 - parking department? 00:52:45.474 --> 00:52:54.458 - public works for parking? And they're going to let the redevelopment have a couple free passes for a 00:52:54.458 --> 00:53:03.441 - year for a tenant for moving? And they're not going to ask us for reimbursement? Won't that cut into 00:53:03.441 --> 00:53:12.158 - the revenue in their budget? No, there's excess passes available. They're not sold out of passes. 00:53:12.546 --> 00:53:19.927 - And they're also, with those passes, they're non-exclusive. So there's technically not even a guarantee 00:53:19.927 --> 00:53:27.450 - that there will be a space. So it's not a specific location. When I look at that, and I know it's fiddly, 00:53:27.450 --> 00:53:34.690 - it's a small amount of money, but it only takes a second to pick up the penny, and that's $36 an hour 00:53:34.690 --> 00:53:42.142 - tax free. So when we look at this, what is the passes a year? I don't even know. I know that Margie was. 00:53:42.978 --> 00:53:49.142 - instrumental in negotiating this, I don't know what to do. I'm good with it. I'm just looking at that 00:53:49.142 --> 00:53:55.307 - revenue loss on the parking that is minor, but it is a situation where we require everybody else, and 00:53:55.307 --> 00:54:01.592 - we're paying for it. But it's six to one and a half dozen. It doesn't matter. It's left hand. It's left 00:54:01.592 --> 00:54:05.822 - pocket right. But my question is, wouldn't it make sense in terms of, 00:54:05.954 --> 00:54:12.649 - this is evaluating the total value or owed that even if it's an in-kind as opposed to a cash outlay. 00:54:12.649 --> 00:54:19.410 - One, I feel this paragraph is written in a kind of confusing way. It needs to be different whereas or 00:54:19.410 --> 00:54:26.370 - something because or somehow because there's just all this stuff packed in there. And again, I initially 00:54:26.370 --> 00:54:33.264 - misread it that the $1,000 was related to the parking. So two things. One, I think it should be written 00:54:33.264 --> 00:54:35.518 - more clearly so that each element 00:54:35.618 --> 00:54:42.197 - is clearly separate, not just one long run on sentence, and two, that the value of the parking passes 00:54:42.197 --> 00:54:48.132 - should be reflected in here, because somebody else is paying cash for those parking passes. 00:54:48.132 --> 00:54:54.647 - I agree with you. I thought it was, too. I misread it. So that's when you got into this county and I 00:54:54.647 --> 00:55:01.484 - didn't know what you're talking about. Right. And not to exceed language as well. Right. And while you're 00:55:01.484 --> 00:55:03.806 - at it, line two, I think you've got 00:55:04.418 --> 00:55:15.993 - property earlier, it should be then, not that. In line seven, I think fourth is spelled wrong. Do you 00:55:15.993 --> 00:55:27.569 - need this approved tonight, or do you want to come back to us for the correction? Actually, you won't 00:55:27.569 --> 00:55:33.470 - need to get it before October 1st. Oh, that's true. 00:55:35.394 --> 00:55:41.640 - Can we just map out the amended version so that this can be adopted with amendments? Yes. I mean, it 00:55:41.640 --> 00:55:47.886 - does need a little bit more than just fixing a single number. I mean, fine, typo, that's easy enough 00:55:47.886 --> 00:55:54.133 - to fix. Again, just writing this in a way so that it's understood the first time through, as opposed 00:55:54.133 --> 00:56:00.379 - to having to kind of figure it out while you're reading it what it's referring to. And then I guess, 00:56:00.379 --> 00:56:03.038 - of course, the value of the parking passes 00:56:04.194 --> 00:56:09.910 - I don't know if there's a way to look that up. I don't know if Ms. Cooper-Smith is still here, but in 00:56:09.910 --> 00:56:15.793 - terms of just knowing what the going rate is for a parking pass and be able to put that in there. Again, 00:56:15.793 --> 00:56:21.621 - just something to kind of show the full compensation that's being provided even if some of it's in kind 00:56:21.621 --> 00:56:22.910 - as opposed to in cash. 00:56:37.698 --> 00:56:44.551 - Or could we adopt it with a request for an amended version? Again, I'm asking from a legal point of 00:56:44.551 --> 00:56:51.679 - view. Do you just need us to stall and create a distraction while you edit? Yeah. We're still not going 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:58.601 - to know what the parking value is. I can guess what I think it is, but I don't want you to go by. We 00:56:58.601 --> 00:57:02.302 - need something to go by. Garage monthly permit costs. 00:57:02.818 --> 00:57:11.143 - I'm looking up online. It wouldn't affect the agreement, because it's going to be given to them, and 00:57:11.143 --> 00:57:19.881 - RDC will not be paying for it. So it wouldn't affect the agreement. But it's an in-kind value that should 00:57:19.881 --> 00:57:28.454 - be reflected as part of the negotiation. January 1, non-reserved, 24 hours, seven days. That's monthly? 00:57:28.454 --> 00:57:31.998 - Yeah, monthly. So $116. So $116 times $12. 00:57:32.194 --> 00:57:39.270 - times two. 160? I'm not sure what that says. Wow. Now, again, it's double since I last looked. 00:57:39.270 --> 00:57:47.166 - This is Google. But it's on the city's website. It's on the city's website. We'll use it. City's website. 00:58:00.258 --> 00:58:06.666 - It's interesting just putting perspective, right? What the cash outlay is and what the in-kind value 00:58:06.666 --> 00:58:13.073 - is. But somebody else is paying cash for it, so. Yeah, I just want, as you said, transparency, clear 00:58:13.073 --> 00:58:19.481 - for the public as a whole. We have to move showers. We appreciate that the negotiation has been done 00:58:19.481 --> 00:58:25.889 - and the crash is willing to move out. I just want the reflection of the dollars to be corrected. OK, 00:58:25.889 --> 00:58:29.822 - so that $27.84 is the value of the two parking spaces at 116. 00:58:30.242 --> 00:58:37.326 - a month times 12 times 2. And we just need to figure where the period needs to get entered in here to 00:58:37.326 --> 00:58:44.340 - make this readable in terms of, again, trying to just get this amended in a way that we can agree on 00:58:44.340 --> 00:58:51.285 - and adopt. And we're not indicating that we're waiving future rental income. Right. Exactly. Right? 00:58:51.285 --> 00:58:56.702 - So that's the other reason for reflecting the value of payment. Yeah, I know. 00:58:58.562 --> 00:59:05.370 - We don't collect rent on those last months. So what are we paying out not to collect revenue? That's 00:59:05.370 --> 00:59:12.110 - kind of the question you need to be asking yourself. I sort of wondered why we just didn't let this 00:59:12.110 --> 00:59:18.850 - release run its course and move on. That would be an interesting cost comparison. What's the rental 00:59:18.850 --> 00:59:25.994 - income comparison? It's only a couple of months. Right. Is there any indication of what the rental income 00:59:25.994 --> 00:59:28.286 - would have been for the remaining 00:59:28.610 --> 00:59:40.536 - Basically, so that's December 13th, so it's even like 10 weeks, right? Mm-hmm. I agree 100%. I also 00:59:40.536 --> 00:59:53.296 - look at this as part of a healing process with our tenants, because we have to move them anywhere, anyway, 00:59:53.296 --> 00:59:57.470 - as opposed to having any continual 00:59:58.274 --> 01:00:07.422 - pushback, it's nice to be able to get resolution. I understand that, Randy. And if it was a long-term 01:00:07.422 --> 01:00:16.570 - lease, then I would agree with you. But it expires. It expires in 10 weeks. And there's no additional 01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:25.628 - add-on, or additional amendments they can do. So we don't renew. Well, I sort of assume they have to 01:00:25.628 --> 01:00:27.870 - take over the new space. 01:00:28.162 --> 01:00:36.089 - So they're going to move, be able to take over their new space. Right, but if their lease weren't being 01:00:36.089 --> 01:00:43.787 - renewed, they'd have to remove anyway. Right. I have the dollar figure on what they're paying if you 01:00:43.787 --> 01:00:50.494 - need that. Dan, is it OK to share that? Yes. $9.31 per month, according to their lease. 01:01:09.154 --> 01:01:17.430 - Yeah so it would cost less just you know I understand you know the point about good faith and all that 01:01:17.430 --> 01:01:25.707 - but I'm just noting that the actual rental income is less than what the early termination of the lease 01:01:25.707 --> 01:01:33.903 - terms are if especially especially if you include the parking value even but even if you just include 01:01:33.903 --> 01:01:37.278 - the out-of-pocket value it's pretty close 01:01:37.666 --> 01:01:45.177 - You actually do make more with the rental income than what you would pay with the anyways. I believe 01:01:45.177 --> 01:01:52.985 - there also were renewal options. That's what I was saying. That would have made a significant difference 01:01:52.985 --> 01:02:00.569 - with that. Again, I didn't negotiate this one, but I believe that is a significant factor. So they've 01:02:00.569 --> 01:02:07.262 - got renewal options. Are they mutual? I don't know how they're released. Are they mutual? 01:02:07.586 --> 01:02:15.914 - mutual renew, or if it's one-sided. It's one-sided. They had a set amount, and as long as they were 01:02:15.914 --> 01:02:24.409 - in good standing, then it would have to be. Well, that makes a little difference. These are all facts 01:02:24.409 --> 01:02:32.820 - that would be nice to know when we're having these conversations. Maybe just some preliminary thing, 01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:36.734 - because you don't necessarily have to have the 01:02:36.898 --> 01:02:44.305 - current, the lost rent revenue in the resolution, but it's helpful for our discussion to have those 01:02:44.305 --> 01:02:51.934 - numbers up front. So are we back to looking at how to amend this so we can? That's fine. I just wanted 01:02:51.934 --> 01:02:55.934 - to make sure we're all on the same page, so to speak. 01:03:11.682 --> 01:03:19.610 - tell staff when we're not going to be here in the next meeting. You have some calendars that we won't 01:03:19.610 --> 01:03:27.616 - have quorum. Is that what I'm overhearing? Should we take care of that while the editing is being done 01:03:27.616 --> 01:03:35.622 - and we can return to this resolution just to make a more efficient use of our time? OK. So we're going 01:03:35.622 --> 01:03:39.742 - to table 25-119 for the few minutes in this meeting. 01:03:40.162 --> 01:03:47.085 - And we're going to jump ahead to business general discussion, which at least one item of that will be 01:03:47.085 --> 01:03:53.872 - just lining up different commissioners' absences in the next couple months so that we just all know 01:03:53.872 --> 01:04:00.863 - that. So who was first in the calendar order? Well, the next week, why don't we go meeting by meeting? 01:04:00.863 --> 01:04:07.718 - Well, that's what I said in terms of calendar order. October 6. OK. So October 6. Who is not here? I 01:04:07.718 --> 01:04:09.822 - am not here. I'm not here. OK. 01:04:11.042 --> 01:04:20.610 - And then there's October is 20th after that. Is everyone else here in person on the 6th? Are you here? 01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:30.086 - I'll be here in person. OK. I'm not here on October 20th. OK. And I am also not here on the 20th. I'm 01:04:30.086 --> 01:04:35.102 - here on the 20th. I'm here on the 20th. OK. And then? 01:04:41.154 --> 01:04:49.000 - And November 3rd? Oh, yeah. I'm here on the 20th, so. OK. November 3rd, I am not here. I am here. I'm 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:56.846 - a game day decision. I'm driving back, and if I make it, I'm going to try, but I can't. I'm here. OK, 01:04:56.846 --> 01:05:04.539 - so you've got a quorum without me. So who's our third on November 3rd? I'm here. OK. So on November 01:05:04.539 --> 01:05:10.462 - 3rd, I have Debra not there, and possibly John West not there, anybody else? 01:05:17.058 --> 01:05:30.974 - 17th of November. I am not here. I'm not here. I'm here. I am here. Okay. 01:05:46.274 --> 01:05:53.876 - Is that good for now? Do we need to jump ahead to December just to finish off the year? Sure, why not? 01:05:53.876 --> 01:06:01.330 - I'm here on the 1st. I'm here on the 1st. I'm here on the 1st. Yeah, I'm here. Yes. And last date in 01:06:01.330 --> 01:06:08.858 - December is the 15th. I'm here. Yes. Here. Here. OK. Yay. I'm going to finish the year off right. OK. 01:06:08.858 --> 01:06:14.910 - Let's play a party. OK. Anything else for general discussion before we return to? 01:06:15.266 --> 01:06:22.589 - Resolution 25 119. We're going to do general discussion now. Yeah, we just want to give as much time 01:06:22.589 --> 01:06:29.840 - needed to get this amendment done and take advantage of using that time. Who will be wanting to run 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:37.235 - the meeting when Deborah is gone? That would be me. Are you going to, and you're going to be there on 01:06:37.235 --> 01:06:43.326 - October 20th and the 3rd, correct? Correct. Okay. All right. Just one double check. 01:06:49.474 --> 01:06:55.146 - Yes, please. Okay, so from a general discussion standpoint, you know, we've got a lot on our 01:06:55.146 --> 01:07:01.611 - plate Redevelopment wise and I think the staff is doing a good job with so I just want to say even though 01:07:01.611 --> 01:07:07.710 - we ask these questions in regards we appreciate everything the staff is doing and how they're doing 01:07:07.710 --> 01:07:13.931 - it and then just in a general discussion standpoint given the unfortunate circumstances occurred last 01:07:13.931 --> 01:07:18.078 - week on a national basis and occurred locally yesterday as far as a 01:07:18.722 --> 01:07:26.483 - vigil that was put together at the university. I just want to commend the university students and those 01:07:26.483 --> 01:07:34.319 - individuals that there was a significant amount of police officers there, but everybody in our community 01:07:34.319 --> 01:07:41.856 - acted respectably and with positive decorum last evening. This is the one thing we look at as we all 01:07:41.856 --> 01:07:45.886 - see what occurs nationally in there, that Bloomington 01:07:47.234 --> 01:07:53.839 - has the ability to work together and not have that divisiveness. And it was rather pleasant to see that 01:07:53.839 --> 01:08:00.571 - there were several students, about 300 or 400 that were there. And there was no incident in any capacity. 01:08:00.571 --> 01:08:06.985 - So I just want to say from a community standpoint, it looked very good from our community standpoint 01:08:06.985 --> 01:08:13.400 - that the students were able to embrace each other. And then actually some of them actually went into 01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.702 - the downtown last night. Very respectful situation. 01:08:19.650 --> 01:08:28.074 - has nothing to do with Rita Baum, but it has to do with our community. Thank you for that. Are you going 01:08:28.074 --> 01:08:36.418 - to print it or what? Or can you share a screen up there? We can look at it. We're going to have to sign 01:08:36.418 --> 01:08:44.601 - it, so. Well, yeah, but at least if we can approve the resolution by having an agreed version that we 01:08:44.601 --> 01:08:46.206 - can all see, we can 01:08:46.530 --> 01:08:54.922 - sign the other stuff, and then get a printout. You can share it, Dana. You're able to share it. I'm 01:08:54.922 --> 01:09:03.062 - able to share it? Uh-huh. OK. The problem is, it's not going to help. Because I'm not connected. 01:09:03.062 --> 01:09:12.126 - I'm not on. You're not on. So I print it quicker. I can see it. You can GChat it to me, and I can share it. 01:09:15.586 --> 01:09:26.368 - Well, that was OK. I don't even know what that means. But he also needed it. And I don't think he did 01:09:26.368 --> 01:09:37.044 - either. One more thing to look at. While you're still working on data, you also know the language on 01:09:37.044 --> 01:09:44.126 - the second page under be it resolved has to be adjusted as well to 01:09:44.994 --> 01:09:56.154 - to be not to exceed as opposed to cost of approximately $1,000. Yes, in number two. In number two. Yes, 01:09:56.154 --> 01:09:58.622 - it says not to exceed. 01:10:34.722 --> 01:10:52.847 - Did you get that, Anna? Just now. Hold on just a second. Uploading now. I'll send it again to you as 01:10:52.847 --> 01:11:03.614 - well. Can you guys see it? Yes. Well, you cut it off. Yeah. 01:11:04.418 --> 01:11:13.031 - Changes are in this whereas clause. So the city staff is negotiating lease termination with tenant. 01:11:13.031 --> 01:11:21.988 - That includes as key provisions that the tenant will vacate the property earlier than December 13, 2025 01:11:21.988 --> 01:11:30.773 - by doing so on or before October 1, 2025. And that the RDC will, A, provide moving expenses for their 01:11:30.773 --> 01:11:34.046 - personal property except the tenant's 01:11:34.274 --> 01:11:40.872 - Tenant must pack miscellaneous items, and tenant must handle moving all IT equipment and devices. This 01:11:40.872 --> 01:11:47.599 - is Shower Square, 2000 Square, with an estimated cost of less than $1,000. I'll get to the not to exceed 01:11:47.599 --> 01:11:54.133 - minute. Should we say that we're supposed to be not to exceed? Well, it's less than it. It'll say not 01:11:54.133 --> 01:12:00.667 - to exceed down in your actual resolution. Oh, not in the order of? B, the RDC will supply tenant with 01:12:00.667 --> 01:12:03.614 - two parking passes for the 4th Street garage. 01:12:04.322 --> 01:12:12.361 - be that time period that the RDC will pay the tenant a sum not to exceed $1,000 for expenses weighted 01:12:12.361 --> 01:12:20.243 - down below. So for number two, you have that the going to redevelopment commission finds it to keep 01:12:20.243 --> 01:12:28.204 - provisions detailed above are acceptable, including the direct payment for moving expenses at a cost 01:12:28.204 --> 01:12:33.406 - not to exceed $1,000. Two parking passes at the 4th Street garage 01:12:33.634 --> 01:12:42.318 - in-kind valued at 116 per month or 12 months for two passes for $2,784. That payment to tenant in amount 01:12:42.318 --> 01:12:50.753 - not to exceed $1,000 or for other expenses related to termination of the tenant's lease includes cost 01:12:50.753 --> 01:12:59.106 - of new countertop at the new location of $815 and cost for packing materials not to exceed $185. And 01:12:59.106 --> 01:13:02.910 - the RDC will forego additional lease payments 01:13:03.298 --> 01:13:12.130 - and the rest remain the same. Before going the additional lease payments, how does that get tied to 01:13:12.130 --> 01:13:21.049 - a specific term? What months is that? Well, it would be from since we're moving out on October 1, it 01:13:21.049 --> 01:13:29.881 - would be October 1 on. All right, so that doesn't need to say for the balance of their term or some 01:13:29.881 --> 01:13:31.294 - other language? 01:13:31.906 --> 01:13:41.855 - I definitely can put it in there. Well, I'm just asking. Yeah. How specific do you need to be? Honestly, 01:13:41.855 --> 01:13:51.615 - I think this is fine. OK. Can you go back up to the larger whereas paragraph of city staff blah, blah, 01:13:51.615 --> 01:14:01.374 - blah? The RDC will provide moving services. Do we mean that we will cover the cost of moving services? 01:14:01.570 --> 01:14:09.836 - You said expenses when you read that. But as written, it sounds like John and Deb and Randy and Laurie 01:14:09.836 --> 01:14:17.941 - and I are going to be hauling boxes. I'm busy that day, but. We will hire the moving company to move 01:14:17.941 --> 01:14:26.046 - them and pay directly the moving company for those moving expenses. So to provide moving services is 01:14:26.046 --> 01:14:31.262 - accurate. Yeah. OK. I can't believe we're debating this so long. 01:14:32.002 --> 01:14:39.618 - I don't have any problem reimbursing it. I don't have a clue why we would be hiring it. Because then 01:14:39.618 --> 01:14:47.234 - the move becomes our responsibility. If there is a mistake, if there's breakage, if there's anything 01:14:47.234 --> 01:14:55.075 - that goes on, it is now our problem. Why do we want to take on that liability? This is a key term. It's 01:14:55.075 --> 01:14:57.790 - not all the terms of the agreement. 01:14:58.050 --> 01:15:06.104 - We would definitely be limiting our liability in that. It is something that they specifically requested. 01:15:06.104 --> 01:15:14.005 - They didn't want to mess with calling a moving company and have it done. And so this is something they 01:15:14.005 --> 01:15:21.675 - specifically requested. And so it was negotiated. OK, we'll arrange it. Again, the city does hire a 01:15:21.675 --> 01:15:27.198 - moving company from time to time. And so we got in a relationship with. 01:15:27.554 --> 01:15:37.342 - with one and so um but yes there would all the other parts of the the con the agreement with them as 01:15:37.342 --> 01:15:47.130 - far as liability and such would would all be addressed notice the word except is in the original and 01:15:47.130 --> 01:15:54.398 - it's not in the revised so it's under it's the fourth line except that the 01:15:54.850 --> 01:16:03.130 - OK, sorry. I missed it. I just thought they accepted. I was looking at the wrong tenant. It's there. 01:16:03.130 --> 01:16:11.491 - Yeah. So RD supervised the Packing for Women Services, except the tenants got their miscellaneous and 01:16:11.491 --> 01:16:19.853 - IT. Yeah. And we told them off the bat, we're not touching their IT stuff, period. That's on them. So 01:16:19.853 --> 01:16:22.558 - we're just talking office terms. 01:16:22.978 --> 01:16:32.772 - And they're to packets. They're blocks. So they were spelled out there for us is good for me. I feel 01:16:32.772 --> 01:16:43.051 - like we've addressed the concerns that we raised by my take. Any other comments from commissioners before 01:16:43.051 --> 01:16:51.390 - we move on with this? OK. Public comment in person, online, seeing none. We can vote. 01:16:52.706 --> 01:17:00.335 - Who would like to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve 25-119 as amended. Thank you. 119. We 01:17:00.335 --> 01:17:08.190 - have a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously, and we've 01:17:08.190 --> 01:17:15.744 - done our additional business. I will do a last call. Any additional business before we get a motion 01:17:15.744 --> 01:17:21.182 - to adjourn? No further general discussion? A motion to adjourn, please. 01:17:21.474 --> 01:17:23.870 - So moved. Okay, thank you everybody.