- OK, well, it is 5 o'clock, and we will start our first meeting of the Bloomington Redevelopment Commission
- for 2026. We'll start the meeting with a roll call, please. C. Scanbelluri, here. Randy Cassidy, here.
- Laura McRobbie, here. John West, here. Deborah Meyerson, here. And staff present, please. Anna Killian
- Hanson, here. Christina Finley, hand department. Tammy Caswell, here.
- here. Dana Kerr. Not yet. But hi. Hello. Okay well our agenda today is we've got the minutes from December
- 15 2025 any comments or questions from commissioners if not I'll take a motion.
- I'll make a motion to approve as noted. Second? Second. First and two seconds. We'll do a vote by a
- roll call, please. Sioux Scandler, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes. Laura McRobbie, yes. John West, yes. Deborah
- Meyerson, yes. Motion passes unanimously for the minutes of December 15th. Next item on the agenda is
- the examination of claim registers.
- for December 22nd, 2025. Any comments or questions from commissioners on the claim register? Move for
- approval. Got a question. Sorry, John. Page seven of the Fund 2234 on the unsafe building, which is
- the 4U landscape at 24.2, is that an abatement for
- Because the reason I ask is when you look that address up, it brings you to the encampment. That's the
- encampment. What page is it on? Well, in my world, it's 7 of 35. It's in pun 2230. 7 of the packet,
- sorry. Yeah, 7 of the packet, I apologize.
- It's $24,020. This was an exceptionally large, exceptionally large encampment that we had to evade.
- OK. That's the encampment situation. OK. Yeah, because the address when you bring it up is actually
- the Pizza Express building, or the building in front of it. Yeah, I don't think that the actual address
- is correct. It's mostly wooded area. OK.
- That was the cleanup area on that. Yeah, it took weeks, weeks and weeks. And then the other question
- I was on would be page 10 of 35 on Fund 4657, the 4th Street bond proceeds taxable. It was indicating
- the $34,000 mobile communication security cams on our 4th Street garage.
- and that was just additional, was that something that came through or just through the parking? No,
- as a matter of fact, all of those invoices were actually held by the IT department. There was some sort
- of issue that they were never paid from, was it 21 or 22? 22. From 2022, never paid. They were held
- in the IT department. They were forwarded to us at the end of the year. We worked with the controller's
- office for year.
- We don't know what happened. So they were paid. They were received. Not by us. Yeah, I know. They were
- received by the city, and then not forwarded to the redevelopment at that particular time. That's correct.
- There was some issue with closing out the project, and it hadn't been completed yet. And finally got
- the IT to say, please process this. This is now complete.
- So that is what that was. OK. So that was still, we still had that in reserve in the bond. It was already.
- It was already allocated in our bond reserves. Yes, correct. OK. Thank you. That's all. Thank you. Would
- you like to make a motion? John did. OK. John's motion is on the table. Second. First and a second.
- We'll do a vote by roll call, please. C. Scandalari, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes. Lauren McRobbie, yes.
- Down the West, yes.
- Deborah Meyerson, yes. Motion passes unanimously. Next item on the agenda is the payroll register from
- December 12th and December 24th, 2025. Any questions or comments from commissioners on these two registers?
- We have approval of payroll registers for December 12th and December 24th, 2025. Second. We've got a
- first and a second. We'll do a vote by roll call, please. C. Scambler, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes.
- Laura McRobbie, yes. John West, yes. Deborah Meyerson, yes. Passes unanimously for the examination of
- payroll registers. Thank you. Do we have reports from officers and committees? I would like to update
- you on something. We got a call from last week or so that a shed that was on the College Square lot
- was set on fire and burned.
- So it posed a threat to the public. And so I moved forward and got a crew out there on Friday to clean
- it up and pull it down so that it would no longer be posing a threat. The total amount for the cleanup
- was $900. So I could do one of two things. We can pay it under, if you do approve the maintenance resolution
- that's on your agenda tonight, we could potentially pay that out of there.
- Or we could bring it back at the next meeting with a resolution and ratification. So it's up to you.
- It seems simpler not to create a whole separate resolution. It does, but I would like you guys to add
- that decision. Well, when we get to that approval of maintenance funds on the agenda, can we amend it
- to add that? Yes. OK. Yeah. But it was something critical that we felt like we couldn't really. And
- what was the shed being used for?
- I don't know. It wasn't anything that city was using it for. It was something that was part of the purchase
- at that time. It appeared that it had some office chairs and paint and some other chemicals in it. So
- I don't know. We don't know. It was not paint. It was used by the prior tenants. OK. There you go. John
- has more history than I do. What kind of security is on that law? Before the city got it, they built it.
- And the last tenant to use it was the costume of people. That makes sense. Thank you. I was just wondering
- what kind of security is on the College Square property. We do not have any security at the College
- Square. OK. I'm not trying to invite a new budget line in. I'm just asking. Trying to get a sense of,
- you know. Right. There is a lot of visibility there right now. We do have Wettle that's in the building.
- Beyond that, it is not like Hopewell. OK, thank you. Since we are on that subject, Mr. McKim did it.
- He put that picture out a while back. On the College Square, we do still have a tenant there.
- Is that correct? They have vacated, or they should be fully out this month. The legal services? Yes.
- OK, so that building will be completely empty.
- with the exception of the construction crew for Weddle for the convention center. Correct. Okay. And
- they're there until the convention center is complete. Correct. And I will, on that subject, Weddle
- has reached out. They would really like to use more parking spaces than what our initial lease was allowing
- them since they're having a lot more contractors coming through, a lot more activity. So once Indiana
- Legal Services is out, we hope to show where they will be able to use of that parking.
- Sorry. Thank you. Anything else for your report? No. OK. Thanks. Other reports? Yes. I have two things
- for you tonight. One, I wanted to give you an update on the Summit District and Hopewell residential
- TIF timelines. Public notice went to the HD on December 30 and on January 2.
- Letters went out, notices went out to neighborhood associations and all other statutory listed entities
- like underlying taxing authorities and school corporation and such. In Sunday's paper, it should have
- been published notice as well. And so that notice is for a public meeting that's going to be held on
- February 5th in the council chambers. And at that time, all of those folks are invited to come. And
- neighbors are invited to come. Public is invited. And there'll be a presentation on the test, residential
- test, what they are, how they work, what these projects are. And then you make it is not being
- publicized as a meeting for you to make a decision on the TIFS is just a step to take in information.
- Because there may be information that we absorb that we think we need to make changes for before bringing
- it to you. So sometime tomorrow or shortly thereafter, we're putting together a residential housing
- development program for each of the projects to kind of lay out the projects.
- And those will get posted on our website. February 5th is the neighborhood public meeting. At the February
- 16th meeting, you'll be asked to consider the TIF declaratory resolution. And that's just a regular
- meeting, not a hearing. And then that gets filed with the planning commission. And on March 9th,
- The plan commission during a regular meeting will be asked to approve that. And then it will go to council
- on March 25th to see if they approve it as well. And if it is approved by both of those, it'll come
- back to the RDC on the April 6th meeting. And that will be advertised as a public hearing.
- So at that time, we're getting public input at the public meeting. The technical public hearing is at
- that time. And then if you decide to move forward to have a declaratory resolution is the first one.
- And then the resolution on April would be a confirmatory resolution. And so that's kind of the process
- that that goes through. So the key dates are February 5.
- for the public meeting at 530, and the hearing would be also very important on April 6. So I wanted
- to cover that. Also, since it's the beginning of the year, I wanted to continue to make you aware of
- the conflict of interest statute. That's 35-44.1.
- And basically, if you have a dependent, which could be a spouse of a public servant, a child, stepchild,
- or adoptee who is not emancipated in less than 18 years of age, or an individual whose support you provide
- more than one half of the years with would be the definition of a dependent.
- And a pecuniary interest means an interest in a contract or purchase if the contract or purchase will
- result or is intended to result in, and here's what's important, an ascertainable increase in the income
- or net worth of the public servant or a dependent of the public servant. It is not a defense or it is
- not an offense under this section if
- any public servants makes a disclosure. And that includes eligible people to make disclosures include
- appointees by elected public servants, which would be you guys. So if your income or net worth would
- change because of a contract, then that needs to have a disclosure.
- If it's a single event, then we can do a disclosure leading up to that. While the statute doesn't really
- call for it, we don't have anything else in place to document it. So if someone is an employee of a
- company, it would be good to fill out the conflict of interest
- annually so at the beginning of the year fill it out say hey yeah just so people understand I do work
- for these people but it does not you know I don't make more because of this particular contract it doesn't
- increase me I don't get a percentage of the profits off of it or a commission or anything like that
- I simply and an employee and get the same pay I always get and so again technically
- That wouldn't require a conflict of interest. And we're talking about maybe putting together some sort
- of safe harbor letter so that we still have notice. But I prefer to lean forward to transparency and
- might as well do one. So I'm not sure who all those would affect. So if we could get that done sometime,
- if we'd like my help filling it out, I'd be happy to help with that.
- It's usually something that's discussed at the beginning of the year in boards and commissions. So I
- just wanted to bring that to your attention. And I'm here for any questions you may have. If in doubt,
- fill it out. When in doubt, fill it out. It doesn't hurt to fill it out. It's, again, it just, if anybody
- would say something, even though it's not a violation, you can say, look, I went overboard, above and beyond.
- fill that out. Clear transparency. Quick question, Dana. Based on your time frames and the resolutions
- and why you went over it, while I'm attempting to write all of those down, would you be so kind as to
- forward us those particular dates, times, and what those- Yes. Could they be included in the map? Yeah.
- That'd be great if you could send it. And also send a tentative calendar invite that you guys- If you
- could. Yeah, that would be helpful. I took some notes, but it'd be nice just to get it.
- Yeah, we can do that. And the other thing, too, we'll put on your calendar is that January 12th, which
- you guys are probably well aware of, is the planning commission meeting for Hopewell South PDD. So that's
- next Monday. Is that at 5? It is. What's wrong? Oh, nothing major. It'll just be by Zoom. Oh, you won't
- be there. I won't be there, unfortunately. Well, this is just the first planning commission meeting.
- There will be changes.
- It's a process to get a PUD or anything. We didn't ask for a waiver or a second hearing. It's part of
- the public process. Thank you for that legal report. If there's no other questions for legal, do we
- have a treasurer's report? We do not have a current treasurer. I wasn't sure what the gap was or what
- the timeline is. No. Our new treasurer will be starting, I believe, next week. OK. Excellent. One quick
- question on the treasurers.
- 4.6 million from the trades district. It's in the 444. No, it's not the 444 account. I'm going to utilize
- that. That's where it says. It was supposed to be put back into the 2519. 2519. Which is our 444. Which
- is the former 444. Thank you. Yes. OK. Yes. I'll try to keep that right this year. 2519. I know that
- it was placed in a different account for a short period of time, but they moved it over. They moved it over.
- Speaking of the treasurer, you all know, just so the public knows, that the fiscal officer of the unit
- establishing the redevelopment commission is the treasurer of the redevelopment commission, so that
- would be the controller for the city of Bloomington, who controller elects here tonight. But currently,
- that position is vacant for tonight. Please don't scare him. Just kidding.
- Do we have a business development update? I don't see you. Jane is not with us today, so no business
- development update. OK. There we go. OK. Well, if there's no other reports of officers and committees,
- we'll go to the new business, which includes the election of officers for RDC for 2026. OK. For that,
- each redevelopment commissioner does serve for one year, and they serve until the commissioner's successor
- is appointed.
- and is qualified. So before beginning of a commissioner's duties, they shall take an oath and subscribe
- an oath of office in the usual form. So any new members would need to have the oath. Your oath stays
- with you while you're continuing this position. And so a meeting for the purposeful organization would
- be held at the first meeting day of the year.
- And the commission shall choose one of their members as president, another as vice president, and another
- as secretary. The president and the vice president shall not have the same appointing authority. I already
- mentioned the treasurer. And so we need to continue in your offices until your exchange.
- forward and electing new officers. We have not heard of any changes in appointments as of right now.
- So you all would continue until you, if somebody else is appointed. So we're in or out. Well, so you
- guys can continue to serve for up to 90 days. And we haven't seen any confirmations of anything yet.
- Nobody's made any final decisions at this time.
- Any election would be until they have been officially appointed, correct? Right. You can redo
- the appointments when new members are added. Well, you can redo the appointments any time you all choose
- to do so. Sounds fun. OK, so long story short, you need nominations for election of officers. Yes, it
- would be. At this time and then in the future.
- Yeah, at this particular time. And then if there's other members seated by the appointing bodies, which
- is the mayor and the council, at that point, you could re-hold additional elections, if so, choose by
- the board. Correct. Or I would feel more comfortable if we just get some sort of confirmation of what's
- going on right now. It just shows that your term is expired as of this date, and you guys can continue
- to serve for those 90 days. So then once we have any word from council and from mayor's office, then
- at that point, we'll revisit this.
- So continuation of continuity is always good in what we continue to do until such time as necessary.
- So I would make a nomination providing that the current officers are willing to nominate the existing
- slate. Second. Would there be any further nominations? If not, we'll get the existing slate. First off,
- I guess I need to ask.
- Is everybody willing to continue in such same offices? I'm willing to continue in that capacity. Want
- to make sure because you hate to ask somebody and then say, oh, hold on. Wonderful. That's the case.
- Thank you. Appreciate it. OK, so we have nomination on the floor. First and a second, dual roll call
- vote. Cease scamblary, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes. Lauren McRabbie, yes. Don West, yes. Deborah Meyerson, yes.
- Motion passes unanimously for the election of officers for 2026 or until the next appointees arrive.
- Thank you. Sorry, I'm pulling my agenda back up. Next item on the agenda is resolution 26-01, approval
- of the 2026 RDC commission schedule. Hopefully, everybody's had a chance to review that. Are there any
- questions or comments about the schedule as presented?
- resolution 2601. Second. First and a second. We'll go by a roll call, please. Yes. Randy Cassidy. Yes.
- Boring McRobbie. Yes. John West. Yes. Debra Mayerson. Yes. Most of them passed unanimously for resolution
- 2601. Next on the agenda is resolution 2602, the approval of maintenance funds for, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the
- the short version. But it's the approval of maintenance of property owned by the Redevelopment Commission
- of the city of Bloomington. And I'll just note that as discussed during the hand director's report,
- there was the proposal to amend this to include the cost of the shed cleanup on the College Square property
- to this resolution as part of that maintenance cost. So do we need to amend this? You don't technically
- need to amend it because this hasn't been paid yet.
- So you're authorizing it as if you do consider it part of maintenance, then it would be authorized by
- the passing of this resolution as it is. OK, that's easy. Good. It's also under the $5,000 cap for what
- that's worth. OK.
- So any other questions about resolution 2602? Yeah, and I'm going to ask a question. Please don't beat
- me on this one, Ms. Christine. I'm so hard. As we look at this from a standpoint, just if we include
- it either in the minutes and some list, to the best of our knowledge, because we have multiple properties,
- what properties this would affect? I know the term all RDC properties, but in order to kind of get an
- idea of what
- Properties are included, because we've got a $300,000 cap at this point, which we're fortunate we haven't
- been able to hit. But with all of the properties we own, between Parking Garage, Bunker Robertson,
- the others, if we would have at least a baseline list that may not include all of what we have, but
- what we know. We have a property list that we've provided to you guys before.
- that are the main properties that are taking our funding for something like this. That being said, there's
- an awful lot of tiny little right of ways that are all over the place that not necessarily.
- As Dana put it, and I know you provided us a list, but if we could put that either list either in the
- minutes or attached to this so that the public as a whole has a good idea of which properties would be main.
- Yes, absolutely. And the other thing, too, is I believe you guys were shared something that I created
- last year, which was going through the properties and what is our responsibility versus what is the
- tenant's responsibility. So you have an idea. But a lot of these are related to snow, various things,
- HVAC tune-ups, whatever it is.
- And I'm not looking for the specifics. I just want to be able to, from a transparency standpoint, if
- anyone asks, they could go to it and say, it was put out there. It's true. And I think we've discussed
- this also. One of the issues with the way that the properties have been listed previously. So if you
- go into the GIS, some of RDC properties might be listed under City of Plymouth. Some might be Department
- of Redevelopment.
- Some might be some other obscure name that isn't necessarily accurate. So it's very difficult to try
- and pull out all of the various pieces. The ones that have been recorded under redevelopment commission,
- you can see easily in the GIS. You have a good list of them. Again, many of them are tiny little right
- of ways that really shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be on RDC.
- Over a period of time, Dan will help clear that up. It is. It's been a mess, and it's something that
- we've been working on over the last two years to try and really sort out, like, what exactly do we own
- that is taking money? But we know what the key properties are. And that's all I ask is that the key
- properties be inclusive so that it's OK. Yep. We are working on getting the existing deeds for the properties
- those deliver in ways so that we can
- Mainly for the right of ways, we just deed it over to the city. So to transfer property from one governmental
- unit to another would take a resolution, similar resolution in both. So the mayor would actually have
- a resolution that the mayor would pass saying that the city accepts these properties. So then you would
- have a resolution.
- I'll probably try to batch those so they're in areas so they're easier to go through. So I was thinking,
- if you only had one meeting this month, I might have my first batch ready for you. I'm not asking for
- immediacy. I'm just, I know the sins of the past should not be transferred to the new, but in the same respect.
- Just as we approve money for this, I'd just like to see the baseline properties. And you've provided
- it to the members, no questions. And if people look, they could find it. I just would like to see that.
- Yeah, it's mostly Hopewell. There's three lots on Dog Street. It's the 4th Street garage. It's Showers
- West. It's College Square. There's a little property over here on Morton that was the innovation lab
- by the previous administration. It has a rental unit above.
- Just some little pieces like that. Um, but those are the main ones. I appreciate that. Thank you. So
- that could be appended as an exhibit to this resolution. Okay. Perfect. Without lots of. Right. I just,
- I don't, what's difficult is that it's a little bit of forensic work. Those are the things that we know,
- which the key properties are right now. I just don't know what I don't know.
- Right, and the record keeping was not great. Yeah, if we just put a little thing in, key properties,
- you know, not inclusive of all in that way. Right, yeah. Just don't get angry if there's one that I
- don't know about. No, no anger. Just joy. We're trying to get it cleaned up, just the process. And we
- do have a list of properties that have improvements because they are insured. So we have the insured.
- Oh, there you go. That in itself. If you're just looking for the properties that have
- Yeah, my main objective is the fact that we're approving money for maintenance on properties and I think
- it's important that the public as a whole has an idea. They may never look, but it's always here we
- did this and it's just the key properties that I'm looking at because we know what we spend our money
- on. Well, even properties without buildings though and pure expenses like snow removal and mowing. Yeah,
- I'm not worried about the snow removal and mowing. Here's buildings or pieces that we have. I appreciate
- it. Thank you.
- Thank you for your help with those questions. Do we have a motion for resolution 2602? I'll make a motion
- to approve. Second. First and a second, we'll vote by roll call. C. Scambler, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes.
- Laura McRobbie, yes. Don West, yes. Debra Meyers, yes. Motion for resolution 2602 passes unanimously.
- Next item on the agenda is resolution 2603, which is the approval of funding for appraisals for property
- within the allocation areas for the purpose of possible acquisition and redevelopment. Who would like
- to speak to that? I'm happy to. It's your annual resolution for the appraisals. And I believe it's also
- for sale, too. It's not just for acquisition.
- So anything that you guys sell, you have to have two appraisals. You can only offer them for sale for
- the average of those two appraisals. And so this is your annual resolution to allow that to occur as
- needed. Thank you. Any questions or comments from commissioners on resolution 26 or 3? It's like rainy.
- Should the resolution indicate that it is also relative
- It also covers the sale of property, given that there are some conditions on how we have to do that.
- Just ask me a question. It just talks about acquisition. No, it says it on the 1, 2, 3, 4, whereas it
- says to either acquire or sell real property. Got it. Acquire or sell, OK.
- or dispose of. Okay. Question. Yes, sir. I'm sure that you mean that 50,000's a cumulative number. Does
- it really say that clearly? Well, it says various parts. Staff is requesting an amount for the necessary
- appraisals
- of various parcels of property within the consolidated TIF not to exceed $50,000. Yes, I believe everyone
- has always considered that to be a cap. I believe this resolution does the same as it was last year.
- So it approves payments. So to me, that would mean all payments not to exceed $50,000.
- Okay, just asking. We might want to next time just make that a little more clear. Sure. Use the word
- inclusive or something. Not to exceed a total of a year or something. Do we want to make that as amended?
- I'm not asking for that, so it's up to you.
- I think it's clear in the minutes what the intent is and then next year we can go ahead and adjust it.
- Do we have any intent at the present moment as we look forward in 2026 to dispose of properties?
- I hope so. Wonderful. Okay. Thank you. Quite a bit of it, hopefully. The nice thing is when you're going
- from governmental unit to governmental unit, you don't
- So that will not eat into our- So we're getting transferring those little right-of-ways and stuff like
- that. It won't eat into our cumulative appraisal money. Yeah. OK. Wonderful. Thank you. Appreciate it.
- OK. Any other questions from commissioners? If not, I'll take a motion for resolution 2603. Move approval
- of resolution 2603. Second. We have a first and a second. We'll do a vote by roll call, please.
- C. Scambaleri, yes. Randy Cassidy, yes. Laurie McRobbie, yes.
- John West, yes. Debra Meyers, yes. Resolution 2603 passes unanimously. The last item of new business
- on our agenda is resolution 2604, which is the approval of the right of entry for patron engineering
- to conduct soil borings as part of the CCC grant. Looks like Mr. Blandford is here to speak to that. Yes.
- And quick refresher for the public, the College and Community Collaboration Grant was awarded in partnership
- between Indiana University, the city, and the mill. Part of the city's remit is site readiness for three
- major public art installations. Right now, we've identified 10 sites that we'd like to bring in Patriot
- Geotech to study soil.
- readiness and make recommendations for possible foundations for those public art pieces. So this is
- a right of entry request. There will be no cost to the RDC. Everything with this work is being funded
- by the grant. I'm available for any questions. Any questions from commissioners? Given the, where we're
- going to, I mean, soil boiling is extremely important to make sure our foundations aren't falling over.
- selected all the pieces of art that's going here in all these locations? No, this is proactive early
- work. There are early concepts and some sites amongst the ten that we're hopeful will work out, but
- we're kind of looking ahead knowing that we don't have the final artist selected. None of them have
- been contracted yet through IU. So it's really just a matter of identifying whether there are any sites
- that we need to take completely off the board or if there are any
- specific limitations to sites that we need to make the artists aware of in advance while they're working
- on their concepts. Okay, so these will be just the site selection that says here's your geotech of what
- you could put here. Yes, exactly. We want to avoid rumors of the library sinking. Exactly. Yes. Okay.
- Perfect. Any other questions or comments from commissioners? Open it to public comment. Anything online
- or in person?
- I'm not seeing any. We'll entertain a motion for Resolution 2604, please. I'll make a motion to approve
- as noted. Second. We'll go first and a second. We'll do a vote by roll call, please. Sue Skimler, yes.
- Randy Cassidy, yes. Laura McRobbie, yes. Conn West, yes. Deborah Meyerson, yes. Resolution 2604 passes
- unanimously. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
- That's all for our new business on the agenda. Is there anything else for business or general discussion
- for this evening? How many resolutions did we end up with last year? Like 150. Plays and bets for this
- year. I was just reminded when I saw 2601. It was, yeah, 25, 156 was the last one. How much money did we spend?
- A lot. Well, you committed more than you probably spent. That's kind of where I'm at. As we start out
- our 2026 year saying, OK, what do we have committed? So as we look forward on these resolutions, we're
- not over extending ourselves based on our previous resolutions. I know you won't allow that to happen.
- I'm sure our new treasurer definitely won't. Right. And I will say that we are in a much better place
- this year than we have been in the past
- As you know, Jessica did a very in-depth analysis to say, okay. And Christina was absolutely pivotal
- in keeping track of all of those resolutions and how much money has been spent and how much has been
- committed to. So we have a much better handle on that now. There was not as great of record keeping
- previously. So we are in a much better place today to be able to really tell you where we are.
- Great. And I do want to commend Christina and Jessica and yourself for everything that's gone on to
- keep track of the dollars because as you well know, with our current new legislation, dollars are tight.
- They are. OK. Thank you. OK. One last question. More? Yeah. It has nothing to do. When is the hotel
- for the trades districts playing commission? Does anyone know? I actually think that they're going on
- the 12th as well. OK.
- So both of those will be on the agenda. It's gonna be a big day, yep. It's gonna be a big day. Okay.
- Thank you. Okay. So if there's no other business or general discussion, I'll take a motion to adjourn.
- So moved. So moved. All right. Okay. Thank you all. Good first meeting of the year. Look forward to
- working with you this year. And we'll move forward. And we're all on our way to John's.