WEBVTT 00:00:00.994 --> 00:00:07.414 - I'd like to welcome you all to the City of Bloomington Redevelopment Commission meeting for Monday, 00:00:07.414 --> 00:00:13.898 - April 20th, 2026. We can start with meeting with a roll call, please. Laura McRobbie, present. Steve 00:00:13.898 --> 00:00:19.997 - Scamigler, present. John West, here. Deborah Meyerson, here. Not in attendance is Mr. Cassidy. 00:00:19.997 --> 00:00:26.417 - First item, and staff present, please. Hannah Tillian-Hansen, Housing and Neighborhood Development. 00:00:26.417 --> 00:00:30.654 - Christina Thinley, Hand Department. Kami Casper, Hand Department. 00:00:31.042 --> 00:00:39.197 - Jeff McKibben, city controller. Kendall Kenoki, engineering department. Dana Kerr, legal. Thank you. 00:00:39.197 --> 00:00:47.755 - First item on the agenda is the minutes from April 6, 2026. Any questions or comments from commissioners? 00:00:47.755 --> 00:00:56.071 - If not, I'll entertain a motion. So moved. Second. We have a first and a second. All in favor say aye. 00:00:56.071 --> 00:01:00.350 - Aye. I am abstaining. I was absent for that meeting. 00:01:02.242 --> 00:01:11.023 - Motion passes unanimously for the minutes. Next item on the agenda is the claims registers from both 00:01:11.023 --> 00:01:19.805 - March 27, 2026 and April 10 of the same year. Any questions or comments from commissioners on either 00:01:19.805 --> 00:01:28.760 - of these items? I've got a comment. On the March 27 claim, page six, we're issuing payment to American 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.238 - Structure Point. 00:01:32.770 --> 00:01:42.519 - They've been on board for a while, and we've spent a lot of money on reports, and we haven't seen. Well, 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:51.710 - that's a little problematic. Correct. They know my understanding, and I did get a driver's wrench. 00:01:51.970 --> 00:01:59.213 - Yeah, she is really the project lead on that particular item. The last time I checked with her, they 00:01:59.213 --> 00:02:06.383 - were working on getting us a draft report. That was a couple weeks ago. I haven't seen anything. So 00:02:06.383 --> 00:02:13.698 - I'm not sure if she's since received anything. But my understanding is no. Have we paid them anything 00:02:13.698 --> 00:02:20.510 - to date? Yes. We've paid a couple different claim cycles, which we can look up. Well, I guess. 00:02:21.538 --> 00:02:28.657 - For some reason, I mean, do you think they're dragging their feet where they're not a priority? Part 00:02:28.657 --> 00:02:35.987 - of me is suggesting that we hold payment until we see some evidence of some work. Okay. I think there's 00:02:35.987 --> 00:02:40.286 - about three, so here's another piece of information for you. 00:02:40.386 --> 00:02:47.216 - I do believe that their contract is now expired. And there's, I believe, a balance on the contract right 00:02:47.216 --> 00:02:53.721 - now. So I know that Anna was working to bring forward the contract renewals so that they can finish 00:02:53.721 --> 00:03:00.030 - out the dollar amount. But that hasn't come before you yet, likely coming in the next few weeks. 00:03:00.578 --> 00:03:08.537 - The person of the hour just walked into the room, Anna Dragich. Hey, Anna, there's a question on the 00:03:08.537 --> 00:03:16.654 - claims register related to the American Structure Point contract and whether we've received that draft 00:03:16.654 --> 00:03:20.830 - final report yet or not. Sorry, hot spot. OK, great. 00:03:22.658 --> 00:03:29.689 - No, I'm really glad my colleague Nick was listening online, and he told me to come in here. 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:37.867 - So Anna Dragovich, capital projects manager. I think we're definitely near the end. They're in the process 00:03:37.867 --> 00:03:45.510 - of putting together the final draft. Last I heard, the end of last week, it was going through their 00:03:45.510 --> 00:03:48.414 - communications team to put the final, 00:03:49.282 --> 00:03:55.832 - touches on it, but I really think it's a future conversation for an executive session to kind of run 00:03:55.832 --> 00:04:02.512 - through those details and what they discovered. Well, my question was not what they discovered. Sorry. 00:04:02.512 --> 00:04:09.192 - It was that we haven't seen anything from them, and we're into them for three payments, and then we're 00:04:09.192 --> 00:04:15.807 - here to collect another check, and we're no further along. Right. They may be. We just don't know it. 00:04:15.807 --> 00:04:18.142 - We just keep writing checks. Right. 00:04:19.810 --> 00:04:27.947 - I apologize. I'm not quite sure how to answer that question. If that's on me as a project manager and 00:04:27.947 --> 00:04:36.003 - not looping in the RDC for those conversations, I apologize. But I do think we're getting close to a 00:04:36.003 --> 00:04:44.618 - time for when communication with you does need to happen. Does that help? So it looks like they've expensed 00:04:44.618 --> 00:04:48.926 - $54,926.18 out of a $58,250 contract, so there's only 00:04:49.154 --> 00:04:57.830 - about $3,300 left on their contract, right? That's after this claim. So is the check in this claim, 00:04:57.830 --> 00:05:06.766 - is it going out? Yeah. Well, my comment's not relevant. Well, we could certainly hold. And we actually 00:05:06.766 --> 00:05:15.616 - have to now that the contract has expired as well. OK. Well, thank you for the additional information 00:05:15.616 --> 00:05:17.438 - about that question. 00:05:17.634 --> 00:05:25.878 - Any other questions or comments from commissioners on the claims registers from March 27 or April 10, 00:05:25.878 --> 00:05:34.202 - 2026? If not, I'll entertain a motion. Move to approve the claims register for March 14 to 27. There's 00:05:34.202 --> 00:05:42.366 - actually two claims registers, unless we want to separate them. One is the one for the period ending 00:05:42.366 --> 00:05:47.134 - March 27, and the other is for the period ending April 10. 00:05:47.842 --> 00:05:55.032 - Sorry. I'll move approval for both. Second. Got a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. 00:05:55.032 --> 00:06:02.519 - Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Next item of the agenda are two payroll registers from April 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:10.154 - 2nd and April 17th, 2026. Any questions or comments on either of those? Move for approval. Second. Got 00:06:10.154 --> 00:06:17.566 - a first and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. 00:06:18.050 --> 00:06:24.725 - We'll move on to reports. Do we have a director's report? No formal report. I do just want to report 00:06:24.725 --> 00:06:31.533 - out that we did have a productive work session last week. I felt like we are on the agenda for council 00:06:31.533 --> 00:06:38.142 - for Wednesday for Hopewell South. So we'll see what transpires at that time. But I do think that we 00:06:38.142 --> 00:06:45.214 - had a productive session with council last week. So thank you for those that could attend. That was great. 00:06:45.378 --> 00:06:51.583 - add my thanks to council for the opportunity for that work session. I felt like a joint work session 00:06:51.583 --> 00:06:57.911 - was the direction we needed to go in, and I appreciated that everybody could be there, and I felt like 00:06:57.911 --> 00:07:04.115 - it was a good discussion. So thank you. Do we have a legal report? I just want to give you an update 00:07:04.115 --> 00:07:10.382 - on the summit residential TIF. It's progressing very well. We have filed for the council meeting, and 00:07:10.382 --> 00:07:15.358 - it will be on the April 22, so in two days. It will be at their regular meeting. 00:07:15.490 --> 00:07:24.354 - And that is just a resolution of their approval. And then after that, it will come back here on May 00:07:24.354 --> 00:07:33.307 - 4th for the actual public hearing on it and a confirmatory resolution that you will consider at that 00:07:33.307 --> 00:07:41.374 - time. It did go through the planning commission on April 13th and received their approval. 00:07:41.474 --> 00:07:50.357 - Notice of the hearing was published in the ATHT. It showed up today, so it's well in advance. The impact 00:07:50.357 --> 00:07:59.325 - analysis statements that needed to go out to the other taxing authorities has gone out. Those were mailed 00:07:59.325 --> 00:08:07.785 - out by Regio Financial this morning. So those have gone out. So we got the council meeting and then 00:08:07.785 --> 00:08:10.238 - the meeting here on May 4th. 00:08:10.562 --> 00:08:18.451 - And those are the last steps in getting the Senate TIF residential TIF done. So we're looking forward 00:08:18.451 --> 00:08:26.263 - to finally getting one of those completes. And it's actually been a very fast process and appreciate 00:08:26.263 --> 00:08:34.461 - all the entities that's been involved with this. Thank you for that report. We have a treasurer's report. 00:08:34.461 --> 00:08:38.174 - Nothing to report. Business development update. 00:08:38.466 --> 00:08:44.684 - Nothing major, I'll just, I know we have CIB on the, we'll pop up on our agenda later today, but I wanted 00:08:44.684 --> 00:08:50.608 - to point out that CIB is collecting public feedback for the four finalists for the Convention Center 00:08:50.608 --> 00:08:56.591 - of Public Art. They circulated a press release that had a link in it, and I will push that out on the 00:08:56.591 --> 00:09:02.575 - Arts Commission socials and can share that with commissioners, but we want the public to complete the 00:09:02.575 --> 00:09:06.974 - survey, check it out, and say what you like. This is your big opportunity. 00:09:09.378 --> 00:09:16.396 - very much. Do we have an engineering update? Yes, Kendall Kenoki, engineering department. And I've been 00:09:16.396 --> 00:09:23.413 - tasked with managing the Hopewell South contract. And you had requested regular updates. So just wanted 00:09:23.413 --> 00:09:30.363 - to kind of update on where we're at. Hopefully this will pop up here in a sec. Yep. So the first thing 00:09:30.363 --> 00:09:37.246 - is we were doing a lot line adjustment of, it's shown up as two lots on GIS, but it's actually three. 00:09:37.986 --> 00:09:44.218 - And that is currently, it's been submitted to planning for kind of final review. But by the end of the 00:09:44.218 --> 00:09:50.330 - week, we'll have, you can see there, two new lots and then the remainders in the third lot. But this 00:09:50.330 --> 00:09:56.441 - will allow us to build three buildings, which is four units early under current zoning. So once this 00:09:56.441 --> 00:10:02.674 - is approved by the end of the week, Flintlock range is going to submit for building permits. That goes 00:10:02.674 --> 00:10:07.454 - through the class two structure process. So in two weeks, those will be ready. 00:10:07.906 --> 00:10:14.046 - Whenever you're ready, basically to pick up. I think the building department will just hold them until 00:10:14.046 --> 00:10:20.246 - you can select a builder or someone's identified. They can go pick up those permits and we can get some 00:10:20.246 --> 00:10:26.327 - construction started on the Hopewell South property. So that's really exciting. That's something that 00:10:26.327 --> 00:10:30.142 - we were able to get moving. The other item I wanted to show was 00:10:31.394 --> 00:10:37.035 - We filed initially for Plan Commission, and this is kind of just an overall view of the development. 00:10:37.035 --> 00:10:43.011 - Of course, we're on pause right now. We're waiting for City Council to kind of do a final zoning approval, 00:10:43.011 --> 00:10:48.652 - and then as soon as they do, we'll pick back up and whatever changes we need to make, we'll make and 00:10:48.652 --> 00:10:54.405 - then we'll file for the next Plan Commission meeting. So we're kind of just holding at that point, but 00:10:54.405 --> 00:10:57.086 - we are continuing to work on things that affect 00:10:57.410 --> 00:11:03.668 - the property no matter what is decided to be built there. So things like detention, the design of the 00:11:03.668 --> 00:11:09.987 - new water main that has to happen, things like that. So later in the meeting today, I'll be asking for 00:11:09.987 --> 00:11:16.307 - a contract amendment to talk about some additional funding we'll need. But I'll talk about that during 00:11:16.307 --> 00:11:22.503 - that time. So that's kind of the update. Is there any questions on hopeful? Just could you point out 00:11:22.503 --> 00:11:26.430 - on the map the two, three replanted pieces where they are? Yes. 00:11:26.946 --> 00:11:35.510 - Right up here, it's one, two, three. So there's three buildings. This one's going to be a kind of a 00:11:35.510 --> 00:11:44.073 - duplex shared wall. So once the full subdivision is approved, they'll split that lot into two lots. 00:11:44.073 --> 00:11:52.637 - These are the first three. Those are the ones. So four units, three buildings. Thank you very much. 00:11:52.637 --> 00:11:56.062 - Yep. OK. Any other comments, questions? 00:11:56.194 --> 00:12:03.434 - We are going to move to our first item of business, which is resolution 2626, the approval of a notice 00:12:03.434 --> 00:12:10.814 - of offering for College Square located at 200-226 South College Avenue. Who would like to speak to that? 00:12:11.682 --> 00:12:18.788 - I'm happy to speak to that. So as you know, we've been dealing with this site for a number of years. 00:12:18.788 --> 00:12:25.823 - It is currently sitting vacant, except for Weddle Brothers, who's using it as a construction office 00:12:25.823 --> 00:12:32.858 - to manage the Convention Center expansion project. As you heard earlier this year, we have a letter 00:12:32.858 --> 00:12:36.446 - from eight of nine council members that would like 00:12:36.578 --> 00:12:46.942 - us to receive the full value of what they paid for the land out of it. 00:12:48.418 --> 00:12:55.117 - Yeah, so at the same time, this has been out there for some time that we were working on an offering. 00:12:55.117 --> 00:13:01.684 - And so the CIB at their last meeting did send us an email and asked us to hold this offering for 30 00:13:01.684 --> 00:13:08.383 - days to consider a potential land swap. So you all have been in receipt of that email. And so at this 00:13:08.383 --> 00:13:14.951 - point, you guys can either move to table this for 30 days or move forward with the public offering. 00:13:14.951 --> 00:13:18.366 - The offering will not exclude them from responding. 00:13:18.882 --> 00:13:25.942 - So they very much can respond if they choose to do so. But really, truly on you guys to decide how you 00:13:25.942 --> 00:13:32.316 - want to move forward with this, we did receive two appraisals. One was less than $7 million, 00:13:32.316 --> 00:13:39.238 - but one was more. There are some environmental conditions that are on the property. So there is some 00:13:39.238 --> 00:13:46.298 - additional work that's going to be needed at the site. So the average of those two appraisals, though, 00:13:46.298 --> 00:13:47.806 - ended up being $7.59. 00:13:48.130 --> 00:13:56.326 - And I'm not sure that the appraisal that was over the $7 million mark fully considered the environmental 00:13:56.326 --> 00:14:04.443 - conditions that were present. But these are the average of two. This is what we're statutorily required 00:14:04.443 --> 00:14:12.639 - to do. So if you do move forward with the offering, for the first 30 days, you are not allowed to accept 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:16.542 - any offerings that are less than that 759 number. 00:14:16.962 --> 00:14:26.259 - The RDC has a different statutory authority than other governmental entities in that you have put a 00:14:26.259 --> 00:14:35.556 - lot of criteria in the offering of what it is you want to see in a project. And that is how you can 00:14:35.556 --> 00:14:45.503 - evaluate the project. It is not based on money. It's not like the highest bid for the buy of the property, 00:14:45.503 --> 00:14:46.526 - like other 00:14:46.722 --> 00:14:54.001 - public entities would have to do, you're able to select what project you would like to see at that property. 00:14:54.001 --> 00:15:00.879 - So, you know, I heard somebody had concerns that, well, if somebody came in and bid a lot of money for 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:07.756 - the project, they would, you know, for the property, they'd be able to take it. Well, not necessarily, 00:15:07.756 --> 00:15:13.566 - because money wasn't necessarily the criteria. There's a whole large list of criteria. 00:15:13.826 --> 00:15:21.638 - that will be evaluated to determine the best project here. So I just wanted to put that out there that 00:15:21.638 --> 00:15:29.451 - it's not based on the money offered necessarily. That's a factor. But it's based on the quality of the 00:15:29.451 --> 00:15:37.111 - project. Thank you. OK. Well, with that presentation, I will open this to questions or comments from 00:15:37.111 --> 00:15:43.710 - commissioners for Resolution 26-26. And that will include both the offering as well as 00:15:43.970 --> 00:15:54.941 - Request for negotiations, that's part of the packet under this item. Question. I've got the same email 00:15:54.941 --> 00:16:05.912 - that you did. I don't know what's going to happen in 30 days. Is there any other discussion as to what 00:16:05.912 --> 00:16:09.534 - actually will occur specifically? 00:16:10.178 --> 00:16:16.199 - Are they going to do appraisals and provide them, or are we going to get anything in 30 days? You mean 00:16:16.199 --> 00:16:22.395 - if you chose to pause the offering for 30 days? I did inquire as to whether there was a current appraisal 00:16:22.395 --> 00:16:28.241 - of the south parcels to consider for the swap. To my knowledge, there is not one currently. We also 00:16:28.241 --> 00:16:34.203 - don't have any information on the environmentals of the property or the current condition or the rent 00:16:34.203 --> 00:16:39.230 - roll. So we don't have quite a bit of information that we would normally want to see. 00:16:39.330 --> 00:16:46.816 - to discern. It's hard to know if that particular property is also worth $7 million. There are several 00:16:46.816 --> 00:16:54.009 - buildings there, two of which are historic. So that may require us to cooperate with the Historic 00:16:54.009 --> 00:17:01.716 - Preservation Commission and possibly a demolition delay. So we really don't know at this time what would 00:17:01.716 --> 00:17:06.046 - be needed. So typically, appraisals take at least 30 days. 00:17:06.530 --> 00:17:15.229 - I have not heard that they are able to provide that within 30 days. So we'd wind up essentially where 00:17:15.229 --> 00:17:24.013 - we are right now in 30 days without knowing really what we would be swapping? Potentially, yes. What's 00:17:24.013 --> 00:17:31.774 - the timeline if the proposal goes out for how long respondents have to respond to the RFP? 00:17:32.386 --> 00:17:38.807 - So just backing up, typically it would be really hard for anyone responding to an offering like this 00:17:38.807 --> 00:17:45.165 - to respond within 30 days. I mean, I think typically we would want to put it out there for 60 to 90 00:17:45.165 --> 00:17:51.205 - days. So we have a statutory requirement to publish this offering in the paper. And of course, 00:17:51.205 --> 00:17:57.753 - right now, it takes some time, even if I called today. So what we were anticipating is that if you did 00:17:57.753 --> 00:18:01.886 - vote to approve the offering, it would be published on April 27. 00:18:02.370 --> 00:18:11.369 - And we would be collecting offerings until July 20. We would open those on our regularly scheduled July 00:18:11.369 --> 00:18:20.369 - 20 meeting date. That's 84 days. So that would be enough time to get appraisals or anything of the like 00:18:20.369 --> 00:18:29.195 - for us to consider a trader offering. But at that 84-day mark, we would then try to sort through them 00:18:29.195 --> 00:18:31.358 - and make some decisions. 00:18:31.554 --> 00:18:37.284 - It's probably going to take 30 days at least after that to really know what we're dealing with based 00:18:37.284 --> 00:18:43.184 - upon. We don't know how many we'll receive. We don't know if we'll receive. We have no idea. $7 million 00:18:43.184 --> 00:18:49.311 - is a lot of money for that kind of property. And we have specifically excluded student-centric developments 00:18:49.311 --> 00:18:55.268 - that are rent bedroom by bedroom as something that the RDC does not want to see in any public offerings. 00:18:55.268 --> 00:18:58.558 - And typically, those income producing properties would be 00:18:58.722 --> 00:19:05.700 - the ones that would maybe consider a purchase price of that sort. So. Thank you. Any other questions 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:12.816 - or comments from commissioners on this resolution before we open it for public comment? Just to follow 00:19:12.816 --> 00:19:20.002 - up on your statement, the CIB would, whether we delay or don't delay the public offering, the CIB would 00:19:20.002 --> 00:19:26.980 - be welcome to respond just like anyone else, correct? Correct. And is there anything different about 00:19:26.980 --> 00:19:28.638 - what they would propose 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:36.554 - Is there anything different or different obligations that they would have in responding based on a proposed 00:19:36.554 --> 00:19:43.858 - land swap as opposed to anything else? I don't think so. OK. They'd be evaluated side by side with anything 00:19:43.858 --> 00:19:50.824 - else. Correct. OK. Thank you. And we do have language in the offering as well that says that if we get 00:19:50.824 --> 00:19:58.398 - any responses for a host hotel, that it would be on the respondent to get the necessary approvals from the CIB. 00:19:58.786 --> 00:20:11.813 - as a condition of the offering. Thank you. Thank you. I'll rip the Band-Aid off. I don't think the land 00:20:11.813 --> 00:20:24.339 - swap as proposed is a good opportunity or even a good deal for the city. I remind the commissioners 00:20:24.339 --> 00:20:28.222 - that when we all got together, 00:20:29.154 --> 00:20:38.633 - a year and a half ago or whenever we started. Our mission was to do two things. One is finish projects 00:20:38.633 --> 00:20:48.388 - that we already had underway that we have a really hard time getting finished, well-being one. The second 00:20:48.388 --> 00:20:56.670 - was that we have a lot of land inventory. And it's off the tax roll, not on the tax roll. 00:20:57.954 --> 00:21:06.527 - And we've been land banking for years and years and years, and we really have no business doing that 00:21:06.527 --> 00:21:15.269 - either. So this swap ends up being contrary to those two things. Not to mention that at the end of the 00:21:15.269 --> 00:21:23.842 - day, it's my opinion, I've never appraised it, but I don't think you're going to see equal value. So 00:21:23.842 --> 00:21:26.558 - I don't know how we get to the, 00:21:27.746 --> 00:21:35.812 - to 7.5 million. But almost as importantly is that, unfortunately, the buildings that are on site have 00:21:35.812 --> 00:21:43.720 - not been maintained. And there's a lot of deferred maintenance that somebody's going to have to pay 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:51.786 - for. Somebody's going to have to bring them up to some kind of standard, because I'm not even sure if 00:21:51.786 --> 00:21:56.926 - they would meet today's hand inspections. I don't know for sure. 00:21:58.018 --> 00:22:07.542 - I would guess it'd be some problems. So it's not only taking on buildings and land. We also have to 00:22:07.542 --> 00:22:17.066 - pile a bunch of money into preserving buildings that are not meeting current rent rates. I know the 00:22:17.066 --> 00:22:26.590 - commercial tenants are, at least the ones that I know, are leaving. So we'll have a lot of vacancy. 00:22:28.770 --> 00:22:38.337 - I just don't see an opportunity there that would make any sense. Our role is not as developers. That 00:22:38.337 --> 00:22:47.998 - may be a good property for a seasoned developer to take on, but that's not what we do. And we've kind 00:22:47.998 --> 00:22:57.470 - of proven it by taking us along with Hopewell. We're struggling. We've been down several different, 00:23:00.514 --> 00:23:08.478 - past to get that accomplished. Hopefully we're on the right one now. But taking on more ground requiring 00:23:08.478 --> 00:23:16.443 - development that we have no idea how we're going to make it productive and get it back on the rent rolls 00:23:16.443 --> 00:23:24.255 - is probably not in our best interest or the city's best interest. So I will be voting for a resolution 00:23:24.255 --> 00:23:28.958 - to move our offering forward and not considering a land swap. 00:23:33.698 --> 00:23:41.604 - And I just wanted to clarify, as it's stated in the RFP, it looks at how the RDC seeks transformative 00:23:41.604 --> 00:23:49.975 - mixed-use redevelopment project, and the offering is intended to catalyze the long-term private investment, 00:23:49.975 --> 00:23:57.726 - enhance downtown vitality, and advance the RDC's economic development objectives. So just trying to 00:23:57.726 --> 00:24:01.214 - confirm that kind of ties in with Mr. Kerr's 00:24:01.506 --> 00:24:09.239 - in terms of how the RDC can look at responses to this proposal, to this RFP, in the sense of that the 00:24:09.239 --> 00:24:17.124 - goal of selecting and evaluating responses is really based on the RDC's economic development objectives 00:24:17.124 --> 00:24:25.009 - and not on, you know, again, highest and best use, or it's really just based on the mission of the RDC. 00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:29.406 - Okay. Anything else before we open it for public comment? 00:24:32.322 --> 00:24:38.342 - We will open it for public comment. We're going to alternate between in-person and online, but we can 00:24:38.342 --> 00:24:44.362 - start with in-person. Hi. I'm standing in for John Weichart today. I'm Jim Whitlash. I'm the attorney 00:24:44.362 --> 00:24:50.323 - for the CIB, and I appreciate your time. And I have a statement that John prepared that I'll read to 00:24:50.323 --> 00:24:56.225 - you. The Capital Improvement Board is hopeful that you will respond favorably to begin negotiations 00:24:56.225 --> 00:24:59.294 - for a land exchange of your College Square parcels. 00:24:59.714 --> 00:25:05.856 - for the parcels south of the current convention center approved for transfer from the county to the 00:25:05.856 --> 00:25:11.998 - CIB last week. This past December, after 14 months of effort to reach a deal for the College Square 00:25:11.998 --> 00:25:18.324 - site with Dora Hospitality, the RDC considered but amended a resolution to make the site available for 00:25:18.324 --> 00:25:24.896 - free or at a nominal cost for a host hotel. The initial draft appeared to have the support of the Thompson 00:25:24.896 --> 00:25:29.502 - administration, but members of the city council expressed their opposition 00:25:29.730 --> 00:25:36.425 - although publicly identifying a land exchange as one possible alternative. The CIB was later notified 00:25:36.425 --> 00:25:43.317 - that month by Dora and the city that there was not a path forward in your discussions. This was followed 00:25:43.317 --> 00:25:50.143 - in January by mayor Thompson stated intent to develop a plan for a public officer in of the site, which 00:25:50.143 --> 00:25:56.510 - brings us to this evening and the CIB request for negotiations in response to the CIB's request. 00:25:56.930 --> 00:26:02.974 - Communications from President Meyerson and Executive Director Killian Hansen this past week identified 00:26:02.974 --> 00:26:08.960 - a current appraisal of the South Parcels as a condition of any negotiations. There is no appraisal of 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:15.004 - the South Parcels since their acquisition, but to our knowledge, they were purchased by the Convention 00:26:15.004 --> 00:26:21.224 - and Visitors Commission with in-keepers tax revenues and two separate 2010 transactions for approximately 00:26:21.224 --> 00:26:22.046 - $3.2 million. 00:26:22.466 --> 00:26:28.977 - Your proposed public offering identifies for potential bidders a college square price to $7.6 million. 00:26:28.977 --> 00:26:35.299 - If the CIV offer of land exchange consideration is viewed simply through the lens of a cost benefit 00:26:35.299 --> 00:26:41.811 - analysis of a transactional real estate swap for equal valued properties, then on the surface, the CIV 00:26:41.811 --> 00:26:48.196 - does not have that to offer in a negotiation. What we propose is that prior to your public offering, 00:26:48.196 --> 00:26:51.230 - you consider a different cost benefit analysis. 00:26:51.426 --> 00:26:57.620 - one of opportunity for the public good, rather than simply a transactional one based on cash value. 00:26:57.620 --> 00:27:03.937 - Perhaps there is a different return on investment to consider. We each have parcels of lands that may 00:27:03.937 --> 00:27:10.378 - have equal public value if the cost-benefit analysis is re-envisioned around achieving stated community 00:27:10.378 --> 00:27:12.670 - goals rather than cash transactions. 00:27:12.770 --> 00:27:19.333 - The College Square site has never been identified by the administration as appropriate for affordable 00:27:19.333 --> 00:27:26.154 - housing development, and the CIB South parcels are not a better site option for a host hotel than College 00:27:26.154 --> 00:27:32.717 - Square. Analyzed together, there may be opportunities in a land exchange to achieve both the economic 00:27:32.717 --> 00:27:39.345 - development goals generated by a host hotel and the public goals shared by many for affordable housing 00:27:39.345 --> 00:27:41.854 - development in the core downtown area. 00:27:42.498 --> 00:27:48.098 - The 30 day period the CIB proposes can allow us to demonstrate to Bloomington that two public bodies 00:27:48.098 --> 00:27:53.753 - have the capacity to meet and perhaps come to agreement on a proposal that both supports our downtown 00:27:53.753 --> 00:27:59.574 - businesses and local economy and addresses one of our most critical community issues. The CIB is willing 00:27:59.574 --> 00:28:05.118 - to pause in our next step for a host hotel for that period if you are willing to pause as well. The 00:28:05.118 --> 00:28:09.886 - Sea of Bloomington has a history over different administrations of acquiring property 00:28:10.338 --> 00:28:16.472 - seeing that as an investment for development for the public good rather than an expense to be recovered. 00:28:16.472 --> 00:28:22.490 - The selection of the Convention Center Host Hotel on the site is the duty of the CIB. We all recognize 00:28:22.490 --> 00:28:28.449 - how much time has already been lost. If you decide tonight to release your public offering and invite 00:28:28.449 --> 00:28:34.174 - the CIB to throw its hat in the ring with other potential suitors, if there are any, then the CIB 00:28:34.402 --> 00:28:41.360 - will meet to decide if instead we reengage immediately in hotel development for the south and west properties 00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:47.876 - we now have to offer. Further delay of more months with the possibility that primary consideration may 00:28:47.876 --> 00:28:54.707 - ultimately be the best cash offer transaction for reimbursement is not in the best interest of our project. 00:28:54.707 --> 00:29:01.286 - Thank you for time and consideration. We hope you'll agree to a brief pause for discussions. Thank you. 00:29:01.286 --> 00:29:01.982 - Thank you. 00:29:02.082 --> 00:29:09.338 - I'm going to, again, alternate between in-person and online. Is there somebody who's online who is here 00:29:09.338 --> 00:29:16.455 - for public comment on resolution 26-26? OK, so not seeing any hands raised. I beg your pardon? OK, so 00:29:16.455 --> 00:29:23.502 - not seeing anybody online. We'll just continue with our in-person, but please let me know if anybody 00:29:23.502 --> 00:29:29.502 - does raise their hand online. Thank you. Hi. Courtney Daly, member of Common Council. 00:29:29.762 --> 00:29:37.348 - here to ask you to please postpone the resolution for the 30 days as requested by the CIB. I am the 00:29:37.348 --> 00:29:45.085 - holdout from the letter who did not ask for the full $7 million in exchange for the property. So this 00:29:45.085 --> 00:29:52.899 - is my moment to speak then, I guess. I basically want to reiterate everything that Mr. Whitlatch said. 00:29:52.899 --> 00:29:55.326 - I think that there is no better 00:29:55.810 --> 00:30:01.744 - place for a host hotel. It doesn't make sense to put a host hotel for the convention center down on 00:30:01.744 --> 00:30:07.796 - that South property. It is simply too far away. I would love support and cooperation in trying to get 00:30:07.796 --> 00:30:13.730 - the host hotel closer back up where we had been looking at the Bunker Robertson property. The South 00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:20.138 - property, while it may not be worth as much, I think is respectfully disagree that it's not an opportunity. 00:30:20.138 --> 00:30:25.182 - I think it is actually a great opportunity for the city. It is so close to Hopewell. 00:30:25.314 --> 00:30:31.254 - We're out looking for more affordable housing. We could do something wonderful with that land, if not 00:30:31.254 --> 00:30:37.252 - putting in more affordable housing, more amenities for Hopewell. I think we can really revitalize that 00:30:37.252 --> 00:30:43.075 - entire block area if we can pull off that land swap. So I really hope that you will please consider 00:30:43.075 --> 00:30:49.073 - doing the land swap. Thank you. Thank you. Next, for public comment. Would you like us to speak to the 00:30:49.073 --> 00:30:53.790 - microphone or just? Yes, just come speak to the microphone. Please sit that way. 00:30:55.042 --> 00:31:00.569 - Hello, my name's Barry Herbers. I live down the street from the South Parcel. Bloomington is in sort 00:31:00.569 --> 00:31:06.205 - of an affordable housing crisis, not just of market rate housing, but particularly of prices below the 00:31:06.205 --> 00:31:11.786 - average, which an average is, of course, made of things above and below it. Seminary Point, the South 00:31:11.786 --> 00:31:17.532 - property, represents 30 odd units of super affordable housing. I've got a few friends living at Seminary 00:31:17.532 --> 00:31:22.238 - Point right now. One of them is actually here. And I live down the street from there. 00:31:22.978 --> 00:31:28.830 - And having Friendly Beast in walking distance, which is one of the commercial space attendants, has 00:31:28.830 --> 00:31:34.799 - been wonderful for engendering a sense of community in my neighborhood. And as a nearby resident, I'm 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:40.885 - overjoyed at the prospect of more community infrastructure and small businesses being integrated there. 00:31:40.885 --> 00:31:46.913 - And when I was first told about the idea of the land swap, what really got me interested is that sense 00:31:46.913 --> 00:31:52.414 - of neighborliness that's down there. It's there, but it's lacking in some ways at the moment. 00:31:52.834 --> 00:31:57.628 - And I've been hearing a lot of older folks lately talking about preserving the spirit of old Bloomington. 00:31:57.628 --> 00:32:02.151 - Now, I'm a bit of a transplant. When I moved here, one of the first things that happened is a bunch 00:32:02.151 --> 00:32:06.764 - of my new friends showed me that movie, Breaking Away. I'm sure you've all seen it. It's sort of like 00:32:06.764 --> 00:32:11.377 - about that tension between the city slickers at the university and the rough and tumble kids down who 00:32:11.377 --> 00:32:16.126 - just want to ride their bikes and are probably going to be cutting limestone someday. Now, things aren't 00:32:16.126 --> 00:32:20.784 - the same as they always were, but one of the friends I do have living at Seminary Point, he's not able 00:32:20.784 --> 00:32:21.598 - to make it today. 00:32:21.794 --> 00:32:28.659 - He works in construction. And he was actually laid off recently. And that apartment has been a lifeline 00:32:28.659 --> 00:32:35.525 - for him and his second baby that's on the way with his partner. And we just, it would make me, it hurts 00:32:35.525 --> 00:32:42.258 - me to imagine him getting displaced, even if he can find a place of similar price, like far off, like 00:32:42.258 --> 00:32:49.256 - in that downtown area, it's really the only option for someone like him. And to speak to that Bloomington 00:32:49.256 --> 00:32:51.038 - spirit as I understand it, 00:32:51.586 --> 00:32:56.983 - It's communal and it's also working class. And to me, that's what this is sort of all about. It's a 00:32:56.983 --> 00:33:02.758 - promise to Bloomington's working class that we can preserve that lower bracket of super affordable housing 00:33:02.758 --> 00:33:08.263 - that gets people on their feet alongside building these new single-family homes, perhaps in Hopewell, 00:33:08.263 --> 00:33:13.660 - that people can get to once they've gotten stabilized with their families and such. And the CIB has 00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:19.111 - made it sort of clear that they can't maintain the affordable housing at that place. We've talked to 00:33:19.111 --> 00:33:20.190 - them a fair amount. 00:33:20.482 --> 00:33:27.427 - They might not even be legally allowed to, it's unclear. And what they can do though is swap it for 00:33:27.427 --> 00:33:34.372 - land that's perfectly suited to their purpose, their legal purpose, which is to help the convention 00:33:34.372 --> 00:33:41.386 - center with a new hotel. So I want to come out in favor of delaying this process so that the CIB has 00:33:41.386 --> 00:33:48.400 - an opportunity to make their case heard and that organizations like the RDC will have an opportunity 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.206 - if they take that land to 00:33:51.714 --> 00:33:57.768 - steward it into some sort of grassroots organization. Like maybe I've heard people talk about a community 00:33:57.768 --> 00:34:03.707 - land trust and to like build permanently, well not build, but build and maintain permanently affordable 00:34:03.707 --> 00:34:09.989 - housing for Bloomington's working class. And I hear rumblings that they're actually working on a presentation 00:34:09.989 --> 00:34:15.700 - as we speak. So hopefully that comes by soon. Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there someone else 00:34:15.700 --> 00:34:19.070 - who would like to present for public comment at this time? 00:34:26.850 --> 00:34:34.598 - Don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt yourself. This is the cost of public civic engagement. Busted elbows. 00:34:34.598 --> 00:34:42.346 - Hi, I'm Bryce Green. I've been living in Bloomington for around a decade now. And I'm in favor of you 00:34:42.346 --> 00:34:50.094 - guys delaying this offering because, well, like what everyone else has been saying, there is a lot of 00:34:50.094 --> 00:34:56.702 - value in what this land can offer the community beyond the monetary value of the land. 00:34:56.898 --> 00:35:03.468 - seems to be no reason that it can't go forward that it can't that this land swap can't go forward other 00:35:03.468 --> 00:35:09.912 - than a confusion about what that would mean for the city. I know you and your comments mentioned that 00:35:09.912 --> 00:35:16.672 - like this would take a lot of city resources to develop and to maintain and there's been a lot of deferred 00:35:16.672 --> 00:35:21.726 - maintenance and that's all you know I think valid concerns but I think what the 00:35:22.242 --> 00:35:29.434 - the residents of the Seminary Point apartments and what community members have come together and really 00:35:29.434 --> 00:35:36.626 - been working hard on is a plan that doesn't involve too much more resources from the city that actually 00:35:36.626 --> 00:35:43.610 - builds off of existing models of affordable housing of cooperative ownership that exists in the city 00:35:43.610 --> 00:35:48.382 - already. Right now there are a very small number of super affordable 00:35:48.514 --> 00:35:55.069 - housing units in the city. I mean these are the units that are standing in between someone and being 00:35:55.069 --> 00:36:01.949 - homeless and almost all of them are offered under cooperative structures and the fact that we have people 00:36:01.949 --> 00:36:08.504 - in the room today in the community now who are willing to put in the time and effort to develop that 00:36:08.504 --> 00:36:15.124 - I think that should be taken into account because these this property can be a lot more than you know 00:36:15.124 --> 00:36:18.110 - either a hotel or even a standard addition to 00:36:18.370 --> 00:36:24.203 - what Hopewell could be. It could be something a lot more. It could be something that is a fixture of 00:36:24.203 --> 00:36:29.978 - the community on the beeline, you know, has friendly beasts, all this nice stuff. And it can be one 00:36:29.978 --> 00:36:35.927 - of those fixtures of Bloomington that makes it unique and a really lovely place to be. So I think that 00:36:35.927 --> 00:36:41.760 - take time to consider this, look over the details. You know, if this whole thing is stupid and we're 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.550 - stupid, then, you know, we can 00:36:43.682 --> 00:36:52.943 - We might be able to figure that out. But I don't think we are. And I think this is worth at least taking 00:36:52.943 --> 00:37:02.469 - 30 days to look at. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any others who would like to speak for further comment, 00:37:02.469 --> 00:37:11.289 - please move forward. Anyone online? Come forward, please. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. My 00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:13.406 - name is Matthew Joseph. 00:37:13.570 --> 00:37:20.403 - Um, I've been a resident of Bloomington for about six years. Um, I'm also in favor of the delay, um, 00:37:20.403 --> 00:37:27.371 - and starting negotiations with the CIB. I think like the question that starts for me is like, is there 00:37:27.371 --> 00:37:34.272 - a world where we can build out a hotel for the convention center and save precious affordable housing 00:37:34.272 --> 00:37:40.158 - in Bloomington? Pleasing like both future tourists and existing Bloomington community. 00:37:40.994 --> 00:37:47.042 - A negotiation between the CIB and the RDC gives us all the chance to answer that question and to see 00:37:47.042 --> 00:37:53.390 - what that world could look like, to explore what that world could look like and, I mean, give us a chance 00:37:53.390 --> 00:37:59.499 - to dream a little. I mean, get a little creative. This is what we're here to do as community members. 00:37:59.499 --> 00:38:05.487 - And it's all of us to see as a community how we can build a win-win for the city and its residents, 00:38:05.487 --> 00:38:10.398 - for the future of it and the current maintenance of it and the flourishing of it. 00:38:10.722 --> 00:38:16.930 - And I want you to know, I don't think you'll be alone in this process. It might feel like the weight 00:38:16.930 --> 00:38:23.508 - of it is gonna be on you, but I think what Bryce said, there is organizations that exist to solve problems 00:38:23.508 --> 00:38:29.777 - like this and to build up flourishing communities like this. Bloomington Cooperative Living, actually 00:38:29.777 --> 00:38:36.232 - the housing that I'm myself a part of, and Avalon Land Trust, as well as others, are some of the biggest 00:38:36.232 --> 00:38:40.350 - and most successful affordable housing initiatives in Bloomington. 00:38:41.346 --> 00:38:48.653 - And they have built projects like this and we're already like we're working with them already to build 00:38:48.653 --> 00:38:55.888 - plan pulling from evidence based models from different states of how they've done similar things with 00:38:55.888 --> 00:39:01.918 - similar types of projects pulling specifically from a city within Michigan that had. 00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:07.853 - in a similar way maybe affordable housing that needs some revitalization and then turn it into something 00:39:07.853 --> 00:39:13.443 - that was really incredible for the city and actually became one of an incredible hot spot for that city 00:39:13.443 --> 00:39:18.818 - not just like affordable housing right that maybe we might have that idea and also like please like 00:39:18.818 --> 00:39:24.192 - I really mean it's like don't be convinced that this is like a dump I know like this is how we kind 00:39:24.192 --> 00:39:28.062 - of the society looks at affordable housing it's like oh it must be some 00:39:28.162 --> 00:39:35.852 - First of all, please don't let that bias take over because it's actually something that might surprise 00:39:35.852 --> 00:39:43.392 - you. We actually saw Randy from the RDC. I think he's an electrician or something. And we showed him 00:39:43.392 --> 00:39:50.932 - around the space. We happened to walk into him. We showed him the commercial spaces. We showed him a 00:39:50.932 --> 00:39:55.262 - unit, actually. He was very surprised and honestly amazed 00:39:55.746 --> 00:40:01.896 - Of course, it's not perfect. I'm not saying not a dollar is gonna get spent on it, but it's more like, 00:40:01.896 --> 00:40:08.166 - oh, am I going over time? Okay, I'm sorry, forgive me. I haven't done this a lot. This is just something 00:40:08.166 --> 00:40:14.436 - I'm passionate about. But yeah, in general, this gives us the time to take this seriously, get creative, 00:40:14.436 --> 00:40:20.646 - see what we can do as a community, and engage our organizations that are already doing stuff like this. 00:40:20.646 --> 00:40:25.662 - And the last thing I'll say is I think what makes a good city is not always what is 00:40:25.858 --> 00:40:33.095 - perfect on the income statement or some perfect equal transaction. Although I think this plan could 00:40:33.095 --> 00:40:40.622 - be something that flourishes that area, but it's something that's good for its people. And I think this 00:40:40.622 --> 00:40:47.860 - 30 days will allow us to explore that more. Thank you. Thank you for speaking. Will the next public 00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:52.926 - speaker please move forward to the hot spot. My name is Audrey Smith. 00:40:53.026 --> 00:41:00.596 - Some of you might recognize me because I spoke in December against transferring this land for nothing. 00:41:00.596 --> 00:41:08.093 - You might remember that I really hate public speaking. I didn't have the opportunity today to prepare 00:41:08.093 --> 00:41:15.663 - exactly what I wanted to say and I came in a little bit late so I haven't heard everything that's been 00:41:15.663 --> 00:41:18.750 - discussed. But I heard a little bit about 00:41:18.882 --> 00:41:26.664 - the cost benefit analysis being considered and different ways to look at that and the highest and best 00:41:26.664 --> 00:41:34.370 - use of different properties. One thing that I wanted to note is that it's just difficult to calculate 00:41:34.370 --> 00:41:42.302 - the economic benefit of the hotel being located in its ideal location. The whole point of the convention 00:41:42.302 --> 00:41:45.022 - center is for economic development. 00:41:45.186 --> 00:41:52.113 - and that hotel is intended to support that. So I'm sure there are people who are better at analyzing 00:41:52.113 --> 00:41:59.451 - that than I am, but I think that's something that's important to consider. And I think it's also important 00:41:59.451 --> 00:42:06.378 - to consider that having housing available for people that is affordable near where they want to work 00:42:06.378 --> 00:42:13.854 - or where they're able to work is really important to economic development as well. The last thing I want to, 00:42:14.114 --> 00:42:21.802 - add is just that in the grand scheme of how long things take, a month is not very long. So I want to 00:42:21.802 --> 00:42:30.024 - encourage you all to just take the time to weigh the options and figure out what is best for this property. 00:42:30.024 --> 00:42:38.169 - Delaying for one month is really not going to make a big difference in how long it takes to build whatever 00:42:38.169 --> 00:42:41.214 - ends up on that property. So thank you. 00:42:44.962 --> 00:42:53.795 - Are there any others who would like to be part of the public speaking on resolution 26-26? Hi, my name 00:42:53.795 --> 00:43:02.370 - is Sarah Mosier, and I wanted to echo what my neighbors have said about approving the land swap for 00:43:02.370 --> 00:43:10.174 - the two properties, the north and south. I live right up the hill from the south property. 00:43:10.338 --> 00:43:16.609 - I go down there all the time to Friendly Beast, but also to talk to the folks that live around there. 00:43:16.609 --> 00:43:22.818 - And I actually took a cost benefit analysis course in my MPA here at IU. And so I remember one thing 00:43:22.818 --> 00:43:28.965 - that they don't take into account when we're doing those calculations is the kind of very long-term 00:43:28.965 --> 00:43:35.297 - impacts that can happen from individual people. And there's families that live in those apartments now 00:43:35.297 --> 00:43:36.158 - that could be 00:43:36.546 --> 00:43:42.375 - starting small businesses or bringing all kinds of other development to the city in the future, they 00:43:42.375 --> 00:43:48.378 - won't get a chance if they get kicked out and have no place to live and have to move out to the county, 00:43:48.378 --> 00:43:54.207 - move out to other cities that are more affordable than Bloomington. So approving the land swap would 00:43:54.207 --> 00:44:00.152 - just give them a little bit more of a chance. And that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you for 00:44:00.152 --> 00:44:06.270 - coming to speak tonight. Anyone else who would like to be part of the public comment on resolution 26-26? 00:44:09.634 --> 00:44:18.936 - Seeing none, we are going back to the commissioners. Any comments or questions from commissioners based 00:44:18.936 --> 00:44:28.327 - on the public comment or anything further that would be worthwhile to discuss on Revolution 26-26? Point 00:44:28.327 --> 00:44:37.182 - of clarification, because I just don't remember, is it the case currently that the current tenants 00:44:38.114 --> 00:44:46.982 - have leases that expire in July? Is that correct? And have we, I don't believe, have talked about how 00:44:46.982 --> 00:44:56.024 - any kind of land swap would affect that date. But perhaps that's intended to be part of the discussion. 00:44:56.024 --> 00:45:04.805 - My understanding is that the leases are not being renewed as of July 7. So we would not have any say 00:45:04.805 --> 00:45:07.326 - over those leases right now. 00:45:07.522 --> 00:45:14.482 - this board. So it would be really up to the CID to manage the leases in terms of any further discussion 00:45:14.482 --> 00:45:21.309 - about a land swap or other considerations? Correct. At this time, my understanding is that the Monroe 00:45:21.309 --> 00:45:28.470 - County Partnering Association has worked with the remaining 15 tenants to try and find suitable or similar 00:45:28.470 --> 00:45:35.296 - housing. I'm not sure exactly what the current status is. I just know that what has been communicated 00:45:35.296 --> 00:45:37.438 - to me from Mr. Weichart is that 00:45:37.570 --> 00:45:47.039 - As of July 7, there will not be any remaining tenants unless they choose to extend the leases or something 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:56.242 - to that effect, which we have not had any discussions about. OK. Thank you. Other questions or comments 00:45:56.242 --> 00:46:05.534 - from commissioners on resolution 26-26? Yeah, I can't reward. I have no further comments. OK. Thank you. 00:46:05.762 --> 00:46:14.285 - and members of the public who have offered comments. I appreciate it. And to those representing the 00:46:14.285 --> 00:46:23.318 - CIB as well, whenever I listen to public comment or to a proposal, I tend to think in terms of compelling 00:46:23.318 --> 00:46:32.097 - arguments and less compelling arguments or not compelling arguments. And there are several things that 00:46:32.097 --> 00:46:34.142 - I find very compelling. 00:46:34.754 --> 00:46:44.001 - One is the caution and statement that we receive from most council members, council member Daley accepted, 00:46:44.001 --> 00:46:52.642 - stating that we not undervalue this land when engaging in a transaction with that. I hear that, and 00:46:52.642 --> 00:47:01.284 - I find that a compelling statement on behalf of our city council. I also find it compelling that 30 00:47:01.284 --> 00:47:04.222 - days is not a long time. 30 days. 00:47:04.802 --> 00:47:11.184 - The notion that a great deal can change in 30 days isn't compelling to me. I don't see how an appraisal 00:47:11.184 --> 00:47:17.444 - can be done, environmentalists can be done. I don't see how that can possibly get done. So the notion 00:47:17.444 --> 00:47:23.887 - that 30 days will make a significant difference in negotiations without all of that critical information 00:47:23.887 --> 00:47:26.526 - that we are obligated to pay attention to. 00:47:28.738 --> 00:47:36.765 - I don't find that a compelling argument. I also don't find it compelling to argue that the CIB is at 00:47:36.765 --> 00:47:45.189 - an inherent disadvantage compared to deeper pocket developers. That's my expression. We are not obligated 00:47:45.189 --> 00:47:53.295 - to only look at the finances of this. And we've said that many, many times in this meeting. So we can 00:47:53.295 --> 00:47:58.302 - look at the whole of a project and the whole of its potential. 00:47:58.434 --> 00:48:07.230 - and indeed are expected to do so. So I find that very compelling. So I am actually going to move forward 00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:16.277 - and support the issuance of this offering. Thank you. Any other? I want to make a couple of clarifications. 00:48:16.277 --> 00:48:24.654 - There's nothing in the offering that will prohibit a hotelier from making a proposal. So that, just 00:48:24.654 --> 00:48:26.078 - because we don't 00:48:26.370 --> 00:48:34.657 - If we don't do the land swap, it doesn't make that College Square site off the table for a hotel. I 00:48:34.657 --> 00:48:43.110 - agree with Sue Scambaleri. 30 days is not going to get us much further than we are now. So we're just 00:48:43.110 --> 00:48:51.562 - kind of kicking the can down the road. There's also a misnomer, I think, that this body, the RDC, our 00:48:51.562 --> 00:48:56.286 - builders and developers, we're not. It's not what we do. 00:48:56.514 --> 00:49:05.760 - That's not what we use taxpayer money for. We do infrastructure, but somebody else has to build it and 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:15.005 - manage it. We're not landlords. So if we take over existing facilities or buildings that have tenants, 00:49:15.005 --> 00:49:23.981 - we don't have managers, we don't have a landlord, we don't even have a way to collect rent. I mean, 00:49:23.981 --> 00:49:26.046 - that's not what we do. 00:49:26.818 --> 00:49:38.150 - So I just want to make it clear that we're not incredibly sensitive to the position that the residential 00:49:38.150 --> 00:49:49.482 - folks are in. And in a best world, we could find a third party to take those properties and do something 00:49:49.482 --> 00:49:54.878 - real positive with them. But this isn't the body. 00:49:55.842 --> 00:50:03.900 - And so we have to move on and do what we're charged to do. And it's just not taking on properties and 00:50:03.900 --> 00:50:12.036 - being a landlord. So I just kind of want to make that clear. Thank you. Can I add one more thing, too? 00:50:12.036 --> 00:50:20.094 - And I should have said this earlier. I also want to extend my gratitude to everyone who took the time 00:50:20.094 --> 00:50:25.150 - to come and speak. And I agree with my fellow commissioner that 00:50:25.762 --> 00:50:33.730 - Much of what you said, all of it was compelling and heartfelt, and I think we do definitely take it 00:50:33.730 --> 00:50:41.699 - seriously. I think trying to find a solution that allows us to do the best we can with both parcels 00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:49.667 - of land in cooperation with the CIB is in everyone's interest. And I agree, though, as well with my 00:50:49.667 --> 00:50:55.006 - fellow commissioners that 30 days is not going to change anything. 00:50:55.362 --> 00:51:03.485 - And that in a sense, moving forward as quickly as we can actually starts to open up some other possibilities 00:51:03.485 --> 00:51:10.937 - and opportunities that may not be evident to us because we haven't been clear about what our vision 00:51:10.937 --> 00:51:18.464 - is for College Square, haven't perhaps explored enough about what the options are with some mythical 00:51:18.464 --> 00:51:24.798 - but hopefully not too mythical third party who could come in and help us think about 00:51:25.122 --> 00:51:33.003 - what could happen south of the convention center. So my own feeling as well is that we need to start 00:51:33.003 --> 00:51:41.351 - bringing some other players into the picture because I think that's going to help us find the best outcome 00:51:41.351 --> 00:51:49.388 - for both College Square and for the property south of the current convention center. Thank you. I will 00:51:49.388 --> 00:51:55.006 - add my own final comments. I do appreciate the public speakers tonight. 00:51:55.842 --> 00:52:03.744 - appreciate when there are voices there for housing visions for the community because we definitely need 00:52:03.744 --> 00:52:11.342 - that. I do feel, as I've heard from my colleagues on the commission, that I feel that the advantage 00:52:11.342 --> 00:52:19.243 - of voting yes on the offering for the College Square property tonight for resolution 26 actually offers 00:52:19.243 --> 00:52:23.422 - an advantage of time for both what the CIB could bring 00:52:23.554 --> 00:52:29.886 - for what potential hoteliers could bring, as well as for coming to an efficient end to what happens 00:52:29.886 --> 00:52:36.281 - with the color square property. In addition to looking more creatively at, again, at visions for the 00:52:36.281 --> 00:52:42.613 - southern properties, it just may not be the RDC's vision. It may need to be of other parties in the 00:52:42.613 --> 00:52:49.388 - community. So it's not at all rejecting the ideas of what we've heard. It's just finding the right channel 00:52:49.388 --> 00:52:50.718 - for that initiative. 00:52:51.202 --> 00:53:00.440 - So again, I appreciate the voices and hearing that and looking at the way to move forward on that. 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:10.144 - With that, I think we are ready for a vote. I'll move approval of resolution 2626. Second. Move a first 00:53:10.144 --> 00:53:19.102 - and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you all. 00:53:26.466 --> 00:53:34.168 - We are now on to the next item on our agenda, which is resolution 26-27, the approval of first addendum 00:53:34.168 --> 00:53:41.648 - to the preliminary design contract for Hopel South. Who would like to speak to that? Kendall Kenoki, 00:53:41.648 --> 00:53:49.054 - engineering department. I'll speak to that. So in front of you is a contract amendment to our Hopel 00:53:49.054 --> 00:53:54.238 - South design contract. There are two items that came up as additional 00:53:54.882 --> 00:54:01.744 - design services that we needed for this project, one of which right here is the additional survey that's 00:54:01.744 --> 00:54:08.475 - required for some offsite utilities that are required for CBU. This is, regardless of what you do with 00:54:08.475 --> 00:54:15.206 - the property, these things are required. So one of them is the water main. I think I've mentioned this 00:54:15.206 --> 00:54:21.022 - to you before, but a new water main from Rogers all the way to about halfway down Wiley. 00:54:21.474 --> 00:54:27.887 - This is replacing, I believe it's a 1927 water main. No matter what you did on the property, this is 00:54:27.887 --> 00:54:34.237 - something that CBU would require. This was not included in the initial CEC survey that we used just 00:54:34.237 --> 00:54:40.968 - because they were only surveying the Hopewell South property. This would be additional topographic survey 00:54:40.968 --> 00:54:47.445 - that we'd have to do. The other item is detention for the west portion of Hopewell South. So this all 00:54:47.445 --> 00:54:50.366 - drains this way. Our detention basin is here. 00:54:50.562 --> 00:54:56.285 - This all drains this way. We were initially asking CBU if we could over detain this area to accommodate 00:54:56.285 --> 00:55:01.899 - this area. They said, no, they're splitting issues down here. We really want you to do something. And 00:55:01.899 --> 00:55:07.732 - we have a right of way along Wiley where you can do something. So they have asked us to do some detention 00:55:07.732 --> 00:55:13.400 - somewhere along here in this existing right of way along Wiley. Basically, Wiley, for some reason, was 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:18.078 - built west of the initial dedicated right of way. And then that was dedicated later. 00:55:18.274 --> 00:55:24.561 - It's actually a really wide right of way here. So we already have a property. But we need to go in and 00:55:24.561 --> 00:55:30.847 - survey and get the utilities located and figure out where we can do detention. We also have to get our 00:55:30.847 --> 00:55:36.951 - storm sewer over there. So it kind of just becomes this whole lump. And we may actually run it down 00:55:36.951 --> 00:55:43.359 - the platted alley, too. So we're kind of just picking it all up so we can do a full design of this area. 00:55:43.359 --> 00:55:47.998 - Our consultant actually did not give us an increase in their design fee for 00:55:48.354 --> 00:55:54.511 - the design of the detention in the water main. They just had kind of assumed that they would have to 00:55:54.511 --> 00:56:00.791 - do a certain level of detention design. So there's no additional cost for that. But this is really all 00:56:00.791 --> 00:56:07.009 - for topographic survey. And then the other item is for geotechnical exploration. So we were going out 00:56:07.009 --> 00:56:13.410 - and doing pavement design, geotech work for the entire Hopewell South development. We were already doing 00:56:13.410 --> 00:56:16.702 - a lot of exploratory borings on the 714 South Rogers. 00:56:17.186 --> 00:56:22.901 - building, and American Structure Point was doing their study. And we just reached out and asked, we're 00:56:22.901 --> 00:56:28.561 - already going out there. What kind of geotechnical testing do you need to make a really good decision 00:56:28.561 --> 00:56:34.665 - about whether or not you can use that property? What can be done there? And so they gave us some geotechnical 00:56:34.665 --> 00:56:40.380 - tests that they wanted to do, that when combined with our already going out there, scope of work would 00:56:40.380 --> 00:56:46.206 - be a lot cheaper. So the other part of this is additional geotechnical testing for the 714 South Rogers. 00:56:46.466 --> 00:56:53.534 - And these are the tests that were requested or recommended by American Structure Point for that. So 00:56:53.534 --> 00:57:00.107 - those are the two items in front of you. They are defined in exhibit A is where the cost is. 00:57:00.107 --> 00:57:07.175 - So it's $20,000 for the additional topographic survey, 19,000 for the additional geotechnical work, 00:57:07.175 --> 00:57:14.526 - additional 39,000. So this will be ultimately, you know, this will get added to the entire contract and 00:57:14.946 --> 00:57:21.596 - You know, once everything is completed, that'll add on to the final contract amount. So this is stuff 00:57:21.596 --> 00:57:28.312 - that, you know, it's going to have to happen either way, is my understanding. And I wanted to go ahead 00:57:28.312 --> 00:57:34.897 - and get the survey, you know, undergoing and the geotechnical work since it's all, it's both kind of 00:57:34.897 --> 00:57:41.418 - preliminary works. That's why it's in front of you right now, even though we're on pause for former 00:57:41.418 --> 00:57:42.526 - rezone approval. 00:57:42.786 --> 00:57:53.565 - So happy to answer any questions. I think that. This is really a little off the wall. But if you were 00:57:53.565 --> 00:58:04.767 - to guess, since some of that geotech work is going to be contributed to the 714 property, what percentage 00:58:04.767 --> 00:58:07.198 - of the 39,000 would be 00:58:11.586 --> 00:58:23.426 - be used by them and not by StructurePoint and not necessarily have anything to do with the Hopewell 00:58:23.426 --> 00:58:35.857 - sub the PUD? It is $19,000 because we already had it. Yeah, this is this is solely for that 714 project. 00:58:35.857 --> 00:58:40.830 - Any other questions from commissioners on 00:58:40.962 --> 00:58:50.290 - Resolution 26-27 and the scope of the topos or the geotechnical? Yeah, I'm going to continue my thought 00:58:50.290 --> 00:58:59.438 - What concerns me about that portion is that I'm getting a sense because we're not getting really good 00:58:59.438 --> 00:59:08.766 - feedback from structure point that I don't know what we're going to see when we get it back and whether 00:59:11.682 --> 00:59:21.159 - project that's planned for that property is doable. And we're going to spend another $19,000 on top 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:30.826 - of it, which would be useless if we can't use the building the way we want to. So I'm throwing it out 00:59:30.826 --> 00:59:40.588 - there. I just don't know. I'm a little tired to continue to spend money on something that it's a flyer 00:59:40.588 --> 00:59:41.630 - right now. 00:59:43.106 --> 00:59:51.144 - I'm just going to ask some clarification, and maybe this is what you're going to provide. But just if 00:59:51.144 --> 00:59:59.183 - the structure point study will be available, and if that would be of available use before the expense 00:59:59.183 --> 01:00:07.378 - for this additional engineering work is needed. So would that be a decision point of whatever's in that 01:00:07.378 --> 01:00:10.846 - report would then inform the scope of work? 01:00:12.866 --> 01:00:20.149 - Forgive me if I'm incorrect here, Kendall, but it was my understanding that these borings were being 01:00:20.149 --> 01:00:27.360 - done in the current parking lot, which is where the potential stormwater detention would go. And so 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:34.570 - they overlap a little bit in that way. So it's in the 714 parking lot currently, but those projects 01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:42.430 - overlap. And so the expense for one project is a little bit blurry versus the expense for the other project. 01:00:43.490 --> 01:00:48.917 - Yeah, I mean, I don't we're already drilling. So this is just additional testing that they were going 01:00:48.917 --> 01:00:54.558 - to do with those. I don't know exactly how it works, but you're already you have the equipment out there. 01:00:54.558 --> 01:01:00.304 - You're doing a big boring. They're running additional tests and they might be sampling additional material. 01:01:00.304 --> 01:01:05.625 - But when you think about they're already out there, that's why we were kind of asking the question. 01:01:05.625 --> 01:01:10.680 - Well, what do we really need to know for the 714 building to help with the evaluation of that? 01:01:10.680 --> 01:01:12.702 - So the 19,000 truly is the additional 01:01:13.090 --> 01:01:20.533 - Testing that and I was trying to find the email where they they were specifying what testing they they 01:01:20.533 --> 01:01:27.976 - needed to help in the evaluation Yeah, I mean It would certainly cost more if if you no matter who you 01:01:27.976 --> 01:01:35.781 - approached if they asked for these tests You'd have to then have someone go back out and do it Additionally 01:01:35.781 --> 01:01:42.718 - if you'll recall we don't have construction plans for that building so it makes it difficult to 01:01:43.906 --> 01:01:50.918 - to understand the building fully. And so doing these borings underground will help us know what that 01:01:50.918 --> 01:01:57.861 - building is capable of housing. So instead of structure point informing this, this may be informing 01:01:57.861 --> 01:02:05.150 - structure point? Is that what you're saying? Yes. And it could inform this group on whatever goes there. 01:02:05.150 --> 01:02:12.926 - Because that information will be good to know. OK. So I believe this is additional work. This was not included. 01:02:13.346 --> 01:02:19.081 - in their original scope of work. That's correct. This is additional work for additional information. 01:02:19.081 --> 01:02:24.929 - I understand that part. OK. That's not a question. It was more just trying to determine if the pending 01:02:24.929 --> 01:02:30.664 - report from StructurePoint would inform the scope or not. And it sounds like this will. I don't want 01:02:30.664 --> 01:02:36.285 - to put good money on bad. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. And to that point, there's sort of, 01:02:36.285 --> 01:02:41.963 - I mean, so the sequence here, the borings before we see something back from StructurePoint, is that 01:02:41.963 --> 01:02:43.326 - what I'm understanding? 01:02:43.778 --> 01:02:54.416 - Yes, I think it will reinforce what path we're possibly already going down. Does that make sense? Yeah. 01:02:54.416 --> 01:03:04.952 - I'm trying to be diplomatic and neutral and OK. Well, and I guess what I'm asking, too, is then I will 01:03:04.952 --> 01:03:11.806 - ask the question about length of time. So we earlier talked about, 01:03:12.354 --> 01:03:19.058 - getting more information from StructurePoint. It sounded like that was imminent, maybe, or should be 01:03:19.058 --> 01:03:25.828 - imminent. This is going to delay that further, maybe appropriately. I'm just trying to get a sense of 01:03:25.828 --> 01:03:32.532 - what the timing is now, if that makes sense. So this work is going to go forward. So are we going to 01:03:32.532 --> 01:03:39.700 - see something from StructurePoint before the testing happens? Well, I mean, if this isn't approved tonight, 01:03:39.700 --> 01:03:41.758 - we will pull it from Patriots. 01:03:41.986 --> 01:03:49.811 - scope, but they're already scheduled to go out there. So that's another advantage we have. Yeah. I'm 01:03:49.811 --> 01:03:57.869 - not objecting to that. I'm just trying to understand. I'm trying to set our expectations for when we're 01:03:57.869 --> 01:04:06.004 - going to get information that we've been waiting for. The report from structural point is not contingent 01:04:06.004 --> 01:04:11.582 - on the study. But the study can help them hone in better in the report. 01:04:11.682 --> 01:04:18.657 - potentially a good thing, I understand that. I'm just trying to get a sense of the timing. Yeah. Some 01:04:18.657 --> 01:04:25.563 - of the options that they're looking at may be looking at the parking lot or at least the portions of 01:04:25.563 --> 01:04:32.470 - the parking lot a little differently than parking lot. And so this would provide them information if 01:04:32.470 --> 01:04:39.787 - that would be suitable. So this would be variations of how to use the property and whether that particular 01:04:39.787 --> 01:04:41.086 - variation might be 01:04:41.442 --> 01:04:52.680 - might work. So, it's looking at one of the alternatives that will be discussed. Is that a way to put 01:04:52.680 --> 01:05:04.251 - it, Anna? Are you asking when will the RDC receive information on what Structural Point has found? Yes. 01:05:04.251 --> 01:05:11.038 - Okay, to be clear. I think that there are a couple of things 01:05:11.874 --> 01:05:18.789 - Well, I guess I'm not sure. I'm not quite sure how scheduling or how coordination for the RDC works. 01:05:18.789 --> 01:05:26.114 - Forgive me if we're not doing. But I think I would expect something coming soon. But given that internally 01:05:26.114 --> 01:05:33.166 - there are still some questions that we want to run by various departments just to make sure that we've 01:05:33.166 --> 01:05:40.286 - kind of thought some things through before we presented to you. Sort of anticipating questions from you 01:05:41.474 --> 01:05:50.851 - So I don't know, I don't always like to attach a timeline on things when I don't exactly know, but as 01:05:50.851 --> 01:05:59.861 - the project manager, I would hope soon. What a great political answer. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. 01:05:59.861 --> 01:06:09.054 - I really, I just, as I say, going off the earlier discussion where there were concerns raised about 01:06:09.154 --> 01:06:16.271 - the time that's elapsed already. I'm just trying to get a sense of us. So it sounds like we're maybe 01:06:16.271 --> 01:06:23.530 - still yet to spring. Is that a fair statement? This spring? This spring. All right. Well, by the year. 01:06:23.530 --> 01:06:30.577 - I think that's reasonable. Is that reasonable? I think it's reasonable that we will have some ideas 01:06:30.577 --> 01:06:37.694 - in the near future. Yeah. OK. All right. I think that is as good as we can get right now. Thank you. 01:06:38.242 --> 01:06:45.311 - And I did want to add, I found the email, the big thing was performing a shear wave velocity test, which 01:06:45.311 --> 01:06:52.111 - is a critical first step in determining next steps in the structural evaluation of the building. Oh, 01:06:52.111 --> 01:06:58.843 - I understand that. I don't know if that's helpful or not. It sounds very official and important. It 01:06:58.843 --> 01:07:05.374 - sounds like to me it's something that anyone who wanted to do something at that site would want. 01:07:06.210 --> 01:07:15.280 - Yeah, I will not dispute the value of the information. OK. Well, I hope that explains most any other 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:24.260 - questions or comments from commissioners. If not, I'll entertain a motion on resolution 26-27. I'll 01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:33.509 - move approval of resolution 26-27. Second. First and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? 01:07:33.509 --> 01:07:35.934 - Motion passes unanimously. 01:07:37.698 --> 01:07:43.635 - Thank you. The next item on our agenda is resolution 26-28, which is the approval of a first amendment 01:07:43.635 --> 01:07:49.688 - to the agreement with Mother Nature Landscaping, Incorporated for the Landscaping Services at the Trades 01:07:49.688 --> 01:07:55.625 - District and Trades District Garage. Would you like to speak to that? Yes. Nick Blanford, Economic and 01:07:55.625 --> 01:08:01.563 - Sustainable Development. We have discovered that trees are growing into the tree grates throughout the 01:08:01.563 --> 01:08:05.598 - Trades District. This will cause harm for future growth. It's already 01:08:05.730 --> 01:08:12.806 - damaged electrical boxes that are contained within those tree grates. We've consulted Haskell Smith, 01:08:12.806 --> 01:08:20.092 - our urban forester here with the city. Mother Nature Landscaping is capable of doing this work. They've 01:08:20.092 --> 01:08:27.308 - given us an estimate of $20,850.70. And we simply need to amend their service agreement to work within 01:08:27.308 --> 01:08:34.174 - this scope and not to exceed the quota figure. I'm trying to share right now a picture, and it is 01:08:34.722 --> 01:08:42.843 - It was up at one point, but it is not anymore. I do have some photos of those electrical boxes that 01:08:42.843 --> 01:08:51.208 - are going into the trees right now. For some reason, technology is not helping. So if I can get it up, 01:08:51.208 --> 01:08:59.573 - I'll try to while you discuss. Thank you. Just a point of clarification. And I may not be reading this 01:08:59.573 --> 01:09:01.278 - properly, but in the 01:09:01.570 --> 01:09:10.029 - Third, whereas, it mentions a bid that came in from Mother Nature at $19,275,000. In the fifth, whereas, 01:09:10.029 --> 01:09:18.648 - it's proposing that the agreement be made for $20,850.70, just trying to understand the difference between 01:09:18.648 --> 01:09:24.126 - those two numbers. 2590 was for 19,275. That was the base contract. 01:09:24.386 --> 01:09:30.758 - That's what I missed. That's what I missed. Sorry. This is an amendment. Yeah. And this is an amendment, 01:09:30.758 --> 01:09:37.009 - too. So we're in that right. Because it's in place and adding this to it to deal with the tree grades. 01:09:37.009 --> 01:09:43.077 - Yeah. Thank you. I missed the beginning of that sentence. I do have an image up if you guys want to 01:09:43.077 --> 01:09:49.510 - take a look, but there's a little box in there. So, Nick, have we learned anything in future development? 01:09:49.510 --> 01:09:53.758 - Well, the good news is that these grades are designed to be expanded. 01:09:53.858 --> 01:10:04.818 - So it's not a matter of completely ripping them up, it's a matter of removing the pavers there and basically 01:10:04.818 --> 01:10:12.158 - cutting into the grates as designed. So the lesson is to do this sooner. 01:10:15.074 --> 01:10:22.023 - Here's a place where code could be very helpful. Well actually the reason for that is when you have 01:10:22.023 --> 01:10:28.972 - a larger opening and a lot of space in between that and the tree itself it creates a trip hazard so 01:10:28.972 --> 01:10:36.060 - that's why they're designed to be opened but even though not all are overgrown there are 41 I believe 01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:43.148 - trees in the district we are going to go ahead and expand all of them so we don't have to go a second 01:10:43.148 --> 01:10:44.190 - round on this. 01:10:44.738 --> 01:10:50.307 - So would there typically in the future be some kind of schedule for, like, plant the trees, have the 01:10:50.307 --> 01:10:55.932 - tree great so it's not too big so it doesn't make a trip hazard, but then, like, every, I don't know, 01:10:55.932 --> 01:11:01.446 - two years, look at it, enlarge it? Like, what's the expected protocol and how does that differ from 01:11:01.446 --> 01:11:07.070 - what the current protocol is? That's an excellent question. I don't know that there is an established 01:11:07.070 --> 01:11:13.246 - protocol right now. So, yeah, I think we should, I think, yeah, an examination every year or two would be wise. 01:11:13.666 --> 01:11:23.152 - Okay. I assume that this is within the purview of the RDC and that's the responsibility. Yes, it is. 01:11:23.152 --> 01:11:32.731 - Those right of ways have not been accepted into the city. So it's still owned by the RDC. And so this 01:11:32.731 --> 01:11:42.686 - would fall under the good old 2602 maintenance coming out of the 251 thing. One just additional question. 01:11:43.074 --> 01:11:49.738 - I understand that the original base contractor was awarded the lowest responsive or responsible bidder 01:11:49.738 --> 01:11:56.208 - when there's an amendment such as this. Is that not subject for additional bidding? Because this is 01:11:56.208 --> 01:12:03.130 - basically more than the original contract. It is not because it's professional. It's a services agreement, 01:12:03.130 --> 01:12:10.118 - which is different than a purchase agreement. So you can select whomever you choose for services agreement. 01:12:10.118 --> 01:12:12.382 - They did a bidding process because 01:12:12.706 --> 01:12:18.110 - They felt that that was the best way to select initially. But since they built a relationship with them, 01:12:18.110 --> 01:12:23.308 - they can continue to service them. So they didn't have to the first time, but they did. And then the 01:12:23.308 --> 01:12:28.506 - second time, they didn't have to and they didn't. Well, the first time, they didn't have to and they 01:12:28.506 --> 01:12:33.807 - did. That's what I said. Yes, yes. OK. Exactly. I'm trying to follow you. Yes. OK. Well, thank you for 01:12:33.807 --> 01:12:39.005 - that clarification. Any other questions? I see we have some interest in public comment. Just want to 01:12:39.005 --> 01:12:40.446 - make sure commissioners are 01:12:41.058 --> 01:12:47.704 - I'm a member of the Tree Commission. Just introduce yourself by name, please. George Higaman. 01:12:47.704 --> 01:12:54.208 - Thank you. And Hapskell-Smith has a two-year cycle of reinspecting tree grades with respect 01:12:54.208 --> 01:13:01.561 - to the possibility of their need for renovation and enlargement. So there is a policy in place. I don't 01:13:01.561 --> 01:13:08.702 - know how it's funded. I think there are different sources of funding depending on where the site is. 01:13:09.218 --> 01:13:18.089 - It's different from around the square than in other areas, but it's complicated. OK. But it's a common 01:13:18.089 --> 01:13:26.874 - practice. Yes. OK. Thank you for that additional information. I didn't do that. Yeah, me neither. OK. 01:13:26.874 --> 01:13:35.573 - Anything else before we move for a vote? And we'll look at the motion, please. I'll move approval of 01:13:35.573 --> 01:13:37.726 - resolution 2628. Second. 01:13:37.858 --> 01:13:44.772 - For the first and the second, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion for 2628 passes unanimously. 01:13:44.772 --> 01:13:51.555 - Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. The last item on our agenda this evening is resolution 2629, 01:13:51.555 --> 01:13:57.621 - which is the approval of a first amendment to the agreement for public art in Hopewell East. 01:13:57.621 --> 01:14:01.534 - And we have Ms. Dragovich to speak to that. Thank you. Yes. 01:14:02.914 --> 01:14:13.297 - This is for an extension of the agreement between the RDC and Bunyama, the artist John Racic, who is 01:14:13.297 --> 01:14:23.988 - fabricating and installing the Hopewell public art called Andulet. The contract and the resolution have 01:14:23.988 --> 01:14:29.950 - both expired, and so this is an extension of those dates. 01:14:30.690 --> 01:14:40.002 - The resolution would be extended to this year, December 31st. And then the contract would be extended 01:14:40.002 --> 01:14:49.313 - to September 1st of this year. We worked with the artists to find that date, and we think that it can 01:14:49.313 --> 01:14:58.534 - be achieved. They have the piece fabricated. It's really at this point finding a concrete contractor 01:14:58.534 --> 01:15:00.542 - to lay the foundation 01:15:00.738 --> 01:15:08.592 - um, letting the concrete cure for a month and then installing the fabricated art pieces. So we're really 01:15:08.592 --> 01:15:16.447 - close to the finish line. And, um, like I said, we worked with the artists to come up with that timeline 01:15:16.447 --> 01:15:24.600 - and, and we think that it's achievable. So, yeah. Any questions or comments from commissioners on resolution 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.742 - 2629? Well, we certainly haven't been on. 01:15:28.194 --> 01:15:35.095 - time with everything else we've done, so I think it's a perfectly good request. And there's nothing 01:15:35.095 --> 01:15:42.340 - in the discussions about possible modifications to the design of Hopewell that will change the location? 01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:49.310 - Oh, no. I don't know. Yeah. No. I wasn't here for the original resolution, so I'm not sure what this 01:15:49.310 --> 01:15:56.349 - looks like or where it's supposed to go. It's in the common area. In the commons area. In the commons 01:15:56.349 --> 01:15:57.246 - area west of 01:15:57.634 --> 01:16:05.990 - I always get Madison and Maple mixed up. Yeah. Don't ask me. That's fine. That was all, again, not having 01:16:05.990 --> 01:16:14.267 - had the background. Any other questions, comments from commissioners? Otherwise, I'll open it for public 01:16:14.267 --> 01:16:22.229 - comment. I don't see anybody online or in person except the motion on resolution 2629. Move approval 01:16:22.229 --> 01:16:23.806 - of resolution 2629. 01:16:24.770 --> 01:16:31.952 - Second. First and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. 01:16:31.952 --> 01:16:39.513 - Thank you. We are now towards the end of our new business. Anything else further before we adjourn? 01:16:39.513 --> 01:16:47.678 - Seeing none, I will accept a motion to adjourn. So moved. Thank you all. Appreciate your time this evening.