WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.000 - which is going to take weeks to send out to council for council's approval. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:11.920 - But the main goal today is to go through our rubrics, discuss sort of what conclusions we've 00:00:11.920 --> 00:00:20.000 - all come to collectively, and then we will move from there. I'd like to, we can make a 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:27.520 - just if there are first, are there any desired amendments to the to the agenda? 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:34.000 - Basically, we're going to go over, go over the rubrics, talk about our recommendations, 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:42.400 - sort of work through it, and then, and then adjourn there. I'm happy to. Anybody else want to 00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:51.040 - do anything else today? Okay. I might say we maybe might be useful to have a moment of public 00:00:51.040 --> 00:00:58.400 - comment, just at the, we, so unless there's any objections, would we all entertain that public 00:00:58.400 --> 00:01:04.640 - comment after our, so in between us discussing it and us sort of, you know, making our 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:05.280 - recommendation, 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:12.800 - I think might be good to have a section of public comment. So can somebody motion for that to be, 00:01:12.800 --> 00:01:19.040 - I mean, I know this is a committee meeting, but I think. I move to have a period of public comment 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:26.800 - at the end. So we have a first and a second, a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. 00:01:26.800 --> 00:01:32.880 - Aye. All those opposed? Yay, that carries. So we'll add a section of public comment to the agenda. 00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:41.280 - Great. In which case, let's just do a quick roll call. I'm Isak, council member at large, present. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:52.080 - Eddie Ryu. Courtney Daly, here. Cameron Green. Norah Damnick, Michigan. David Harlow, council. 00:01:52.080 --> 00:01:58.880 - Yay. Now's your chance to do it, Andy. Now's your chance to call yourself president. 00:01:58.880 --> 00:02:06.720 - Great. So everyone is here. So Lisa, would you be willing to put up, 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:15.920 - or if I can't share my screen, but could you put up the shared rubric? Sure. 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:25.120 - While I'm doing that, could we proceed with the agenda topic for the disclosure? 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:34.560 - Yes. Yes. How would you like to handle that? I think it would be appropriate for each member, 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:45.840 - Eddie and Nordia to briefly state the nature of their relationship with each applicant and 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:52.720 - why they each do not have a financial interest in the application. 00:02:52.720 --> 00:02:58.320 - My name is Eddie Ryu. I'm the executive director of the Saucer from the Action Program. 00:02:58.320 --> 00:03:05.920 - We have applied for one of these grants, and I do not have financial interest in this grant. 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.400 - And I will accuse myself when they discuss my organization. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:24.480 - My name is Nordia McNeish. I'm a board member for New Life. They applied for one of the grants. 00:03:24.480 --> 00:03:32.320 - I do not have any financial interest in the grants, whether denied or approved. 00:03:32.320 --> 00:03:42.800 - And I will accuse myself when voting is happening for that organization. 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:53.120 - Great. And for public awareness, they all signed appropriate documentation to that end. 00:03:54.080 --> 00:04:03.360 - So let's go through this. And this year, we're trying out this rubric here. 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:10.080 - And what do you think? What's the best way of going about this, y'all? 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:18.160 - We could sort this by our averages and then maybe discuss through? And you're welcome. 00:04:19.760 --> 00:04:26.160 - As long as you're doing it here publicly on this sheet, you can change if you want to change your 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:32.400 - scores or whatever, we can do that. But what's your suggestions for how we should handle going 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:38.720 - through this? Do you think we should look at the highest average ones, get those out of the way 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:47.760 - we want on those, and then get to the middle and see if there's any conflict? And if we're fully 00:04:47.760 --> 00:04:55.600 - funded by them, then we don't really need to get to the lower scores. Does that seem reasonable? 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:01.680 - Unless somebody who could advocate for a lower score might be able to convince others, I don't 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:14.320 - know. But I agree. I think that's a good way to proceed. Okay. You know, it's interesting 00:05:14.320 --> 00:05:28.960 - because if we sort them, and then maybe perhaps the... Well, here they are sorted. This is sorted 00:05:28.960 --> 00:05:43.920 - by our average scores. And we had sort of said that 4.5 was very high score or 4.7, did we say? 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:50.000 - What was the... What's the cutoff for a very high score? Very high was five or more. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:58.640 - So how did you all go about your suggested allocation amounts? 00:05:58.640 --> 00:06:11.760 - For me, I fully funded all the ones I was confident that were very high, 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:21.520 - which is five or higher. And then I went through some of my high scores before 4.5 and tried to 00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:26.960 - figure out which ones I wanted to fund out of those. But then I left... These are so many that 00:06:26.960 --> 00:06:35.520 - were in the high category. I left money on the table. I only used around $440,000 instead of 00:06:35.520 --> 00:06:42.000 - full $500,000 because I couldn't decide just by looking at the scores which ones I wanted to fund. 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.960 - And I wanted to be fair and hear what other people had to say about certain organizations. And then 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:51.360 - I would lean towards that direction. And that's the idea here. 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:58.000 - Okay. So I've just noticed we have a kind of a glaring issue here because it seems like some of 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:06.320 - us... It seems something has changed. What has changed on this sheet? There's a medical order. 00:07:06.320 --> 00:07:13.840 - Okay. Sorry. I'm going to put them back in the order that we had them which is 00:07:13.840 --> 00:07:25.600 - based on their score. So some of these scores are high because they're missing rubric entries from 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:31.600 - us. Is there... Is this a clerical error or did some of you leave things off of your... 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:37.840 - Wait. We know that but... They're higher or low because... 00:07:37.840 --> 00:07:42.400 - Well, I mean, it will probably go in both directions, right? Because if you only have 00:07:42.400 --> 00:07:48.640 - a few scores, it's going to weight those scores higher, right? Presumably. 00:07:50.640 --> 00:07:58.240 - So I think my score is that deleted out of that column maybe whenever... 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:03.440 - Maybe I deleted it somehow or whenever. So my score is supposed to be five for motherhood recovery. 00:08:03.440 --> 00:08:10.800 - Okay. And Dave, did you give... 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:17.600 - I did. I left some things. Let's see. Did I score everything? I did score everything. 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:23.520 - I think we should score everything. Yes. Well, with the exception of one, 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:34.800 - that was a double applicant, but then whatever. I left the amount blank for a number and I also 00:08:34.800 --> 00:08:41.920 - left some money on the table because I wanted to hear from others in terms of whether to make 00:08:41.920 --> 00:08:42.640 - shifts. 00:08:42.640 --> 00:08:47.920 - Okay. So maybe... Okay. So it seems like order of operation here is that we should first... 00:08:47.920 --> 00:08:57.360 - We need to fill in the missing scores, right? Because otherwise it's going to be a skewed 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:14.560 - rubric. No. We can just call them out. You mean what I left blank? Yes. Yes. Let's see. I left... 00:09:14.560 --> 00:09:21.760 - Mother Hubbard's covered. Mother Hubbard's covered. Yeah. One. And the other, the last one was Habits 00:09:21.760 --> 00:09:33.520 - After Humanity restored. Yep. I left blank. Now, I guess since then that was their priority. Wow. 00:09:33.520 --> 00:09:42.320 - But I'd already filled it out. So I didn't change it. What would you like to... 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:51.520 - Well, if you maybe take a few minutes and just then square it right now based on... Okay. Am I the 00:09:51.520 --> 00:09:51.760 - only 00:09:51.760 --> 00:09:58.480 - one who failed? No, no, no, no, no. No, there's no worry. Nardia, you also didn't fill out 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:08.720 - Mother Hubbard's covered 22. Do we want to kind of maybe look at approaching it, 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:14.800 - you know, similar to... I'm going to start over again. Similarly to how we did it last year, 00:10:14.800 --> 00:10:18.880 - which was we looked at the average amount recommended and went from highest to lowest that 00:10:18.880 --> 00:10:25.520 - way. That was another way we could... If there was blanks, it's going to be... So like if I fully 00:10:25.520 --> 00:10:32.320 - funded it and we partially funded it, it's just the two of us, then it's not going to give us the 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:38.320 - right. But yes, I think that's what we should do. Because my approach was I didn't... I don't know 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:43.520 - that I fully funded anything just because I was trying to give everybody or as many people as I 00:10:43.520 --> 00:10:51.200 - could something. Okay. What about you, Cameron? How did you approach it? Yeah, I tried to fully 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.520 - fund all of the very highs. Last year, I funded by percentage, but this year I went through all 00:10:55.520 --> 00:11:00.480 - with budgets to see what the partial funding would look like. It was prioritized from there, 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:05.440 - but I think that for everything that was very high or high on my list, I tried to fully fund 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:11.680 - those for the most part. So I took the same approach, which is I fully funded the very highs. 00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:16.560 - I think I, you know, nominally knowing that we'd have to talk through it, did like 90% for the 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:17.120 - highs 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:23.680 - and then I think it was 70% for the bids. Just like to give a sort of marker and then I stopped. 00:11:23.680 --> 00:11:31.840 - For the, I kind of took, I know you were saying like some of them, you had extra funds left over. 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:36.480 - Like for those, I kind of went to some of the smaller asks and then decided to kind of take 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.960 - the bigger remainder that were still explored high and then kind of spread them across all the 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.440 - smaller asks as I could. So that was my approach. 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.800 - Mordia, how did you approach deciding the amounts? 00:11:50.800 --> 00:12:02.720 - Well, depending on the project, the criteria of meeting the population, all the listed criteria 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:12.080 - is actually on the rule book was a decider, but mostly for fully funded one is depending on the 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:20.010 - project, something that definitely would not work if it's not funded fully or partially for 00:12:20.010 --> 00:12:20.400 - something 00:12:20.400 --> 00:12:28.960 - that is more prominent that it can do without. Yeah, I mean, and that's a good point, the question 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:35.120 - of where we make that to Courtney's point, like where you make that cut off if you're partially 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:50.240 - funding. And then if people can't, but then if you... So then would you advantage somebody who said, 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:57.840 - let's say they were a high or a mid high or something like that, and they had said, 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.920 - this wouldn't happen unless it's fully funded. Do you give them the advantage then 00:13:01.920 --> 00:13:06.160 - over a person who said that they... Well, it's not really based on what they said, 00:13:06.160 --> 00:13:12.800 - it's based off the project and how they state what the project is, unless of so what them saying 00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:18.960 - that, oh, it can't be funded without full funding. So what is the project that's being asked for? 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:19.120 - Is 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:27.040 - it something that is sustainable? Is it something that they will survive without at this point in 00:13:27.040 --> 00:13:34.720 - time? Would it benefit the population that we're trying to target and so on? So that's kind of... 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:41.440 - But what I'm saying is that's our general rubric, but then the question is, there were a handful 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:48.400 - of applicants who were very clear about, hey, priority one, two, three, and if you can't fund 00:13:48.400 --> 00:13:52.080 - us all, we can still do the project, and this is the order that we'd like the things funded at, 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.720 - which gives us, I think, a clear indication of if you're going to fund 75%, 50%, 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:04.320 - whatever. You know where that marker should be, but if there's an example, there were a handful 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:08.640 - here where they just asked for a lot of money and there wasn't any. It was just like, this is what 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:17.600 - we're asking for. There wasn't like, or this or that, but where do you balance that? 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:24.240 - I also use that for one particular anyway in terms of the other way. If they're asking for so much 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:31.520 - and it wouldn't make any sense partially funding, I did not. You did it funded even if it was 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:31.920 - highly 00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:40.160 - ranked. Yeah. What are our thoughts on that? I think the one that I mentioned, it had some 00:14:40.160 --> 00:14:48.640 - concerns from the beginning in terms of completing all the requirements. 00:14:51.520 --> 00:14:56.960 - You know that there's a list at the bottom. We'll talk about 401(c), 5013, or whatever, 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.920 - whatever those fit marks. When there's some criteria like first year, this is the first 00:15:01.920 --> 00:15:13.360 - time applying, or didn't submit summary, or... I'm curious what the rest of us think though. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:21.040 - So I think we're saying that we like, first off, we've adopted a rubric. 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:27.440 - I think that if we've adopted a rubric and somebody scores high, they have to get 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:33.760 - proportional funding to a high score. However, we decide that that works. It doesn't make sense 00:15:33.760 --> 00:15:37.200 - for us to say all of these high people, but these ones we're going to give a little bit too, 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.500 - and these ones we're going to fully fund, because then we don't have a rubric. We might as well 00:15:40.500 --> 00:15:40.800 - just 00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:51.680 - go off of fives. And so I do think that we need to take our rubric to scores, I mean to funding 00:15:51.680 --> 00:15:56.880 - allocation in some consistent way. Now what that way is, I think is the hardest, is the hard 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:57.280 - question. 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:12.480 - So do we agree? Okay, so then have you worked out a score yet, Dave and Nordea for 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:32.080 - Mother Hover's Cupboard? I mean if you have suggestions for how we can rectify this, I 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:35.520 - feel like, I mean Mother Hover's Cupboard is a good example, because I gave them a seven, 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:43.520 - like so full points and everything, and a bonus point, and you know, Courtney gave them a four. 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:55.440 - So if my seven wasn't that powerful without these two scores, I feel like we really need to have 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:00.400 - numbers in every one, so I don't know if it makes sense to go through all the ones that have full 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:07.040 - information now, just to do it, and then go to it, and then that gives time to come up with the 00:17:07.040 --> 00:17:14.320 - numbers for the missing ones. I think the problem is just that if we, scores, scores do get filled 00:17:14.320 --> 00:17:24.720 - out later, then they can get bumped up, or bumped down, so yeah, and they also, I'm also thinking 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:31.360 - that, you know, people calling out scores right now, just being in the room could influence those 00:17:31.360 --> 00:17:38.080 - scores, and maybe we should take a short break, so that way we can fill those scores out, or they 00:17:38.080 --> 00:17:44.240 - can fill out the scores and populate it here. I feel a little uncomfortable, like, making people 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:51.360 - on the spot to ask for a score, and then, you know, if Dave says something different, that could 00:17:51.360 --> 00:18:04.160 - change the audience score, just my two cents. That makes sense, everyone? Yeah. Is that okay? 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:11.440 - We're accepting it, Andy, because that evens everything out, right, without the scores, so yeah. 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:18.800 - Okay, so then, how much time we have? There's not that many here, but 00:18:20.800 --> 00:18:26.720 - how much time would the two of you, like, for, we can take this 15 minutes? See, it's just, like, 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.360 - notice, like, five scores, and Dave, it's, like, three that can be recessed for 15 minutes, and 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:33.600 - then, 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:36.320 - is it, unless there's any? 00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:45.920 - Uh, yeah, I'm just finished, actually, in just a moment. I don't know which time 00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:53.360 - anyone else needs 15 minutes. Okay, so let's, yeah, let's take a quick 15 minute recess. 00:18:53.360 --> 00:19:00.320 - All those in favor? Any opposed? All right, we'll take it, so it is now, what time is it? 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:04.720 - 620, so we'll start back at 635. 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:20.320 - Thank you. 00:19:50.320 --> 00:19:58.710 - So, um, her boss, and, uh, you know, I was watching, you know, how I got you as far as I had 00:19:58.710 --> 00:20:07.540 - another side just a little presentation decision, you know, but, oh, we had some of this, you know, 00:20:07.540 --> 00:20:11.320 - or so, I mean, the other one just so we had two professors going there. 00:20:11.320 --> 00:20:21.980 - Separated professors kind of going in and they kind of poking holes and like, yeah, I'll be 00:20:21.980 --> 00:20:24.320 - positive leadership. 00:20:24.320 --> 00:20:30.320 - Yeah, I really think so and they want that for their first game is that we measure all those counts. 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:34.320 - Yeah. 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:43.320 - And then, um, maybe like, are these undergrads? Yeah. 00:20:43.320 --> 00:21:08.320 - Yes. Yeah. And there was one that was like, you know, we recommend that this is one of them for a 00:21:08.320 --> 00:21:08.320 - family, we recommend that they check out the A&M, we looked on their website and we found them much 00:21:08.320 --> 00:21:08.320 - cheaper. 00:21:08.320 --> 00:21:18.030 - That they're, they just, every year, I'm kind of glad. Except for full-time, they have a bigger 00:21:18.030 --> 00:21:19.320 - player. 00:21:19.320 --> 00:21:29.170 - Like, this year was just like, are you going to be so much, it's just like, no, you can't get pros 00:21:29.170 --> 00:21:31.320 - to do that. 00:21:31.320 --> 00:21:35.320 - Yeah, I am surprised every time. 00:21:35.320 --> 00:21:39.320 - This is a priority, but I'm looking forward to hopefully catching some of it at least. 00:21:39.320 --> 00:21:44.320 - I was going to be like, my cat, I couldn't find my cat, he was outside somewhere. 00:21:44.320 --> 00:21:52.320 - So yeah, I eventually found him and scooped him up, but I think he got me on a journey. 00:21:52.320 --> 00:21:58.320 - It's like, you're lucky you're cute. Exactly. 00:21:58.320 --> 00:22:06.080 - I think weird how like bits and pieces of conversations kind of everything's kind of come together 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:11.320 - so sad about it. 00:22:11.320 --> 00:22:39.320 - Yeah, I think. 00:22:39.320 --> 00:23:06.320 - Yeah. 00:23:06.320 --> 00:23:21.320 - So, um, my flight was delayed by an hour, which is fine, it got me plenty of time to get up there. 00:23:21.320 --> 00:23:33.250 - And we flew frontier, it's like, you just don't you don't know like when they don't inform you 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:39.320 - until it's too late, we want to make sure we got up there. 00:23:39.320 --> 00:23:45.800 - You know, almost every time I've learned a gender from frontier, and there have been a few horrible 00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:52.320 - experiences where I've sworn to never do it again but then the tickets were so cheap. 00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:58.540 - It's usually is part of, and I'm willing to pay just a little bit more but it's just like some 00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:05.370 - reason frontier had all the contract flights, and my friend, like, he had to switches rounds and 00:24:05.370 --> 00:24:10.320 - stuff to make this trip happen so we just have to suck it up 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:14.320 - and you know, we made it, we made it there made it back so okay come on. 00:24:14.320 --> 00:24:20.230 - That's all that matters was your friend you were surprising your friend. Yeah, so we walked, we 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:21.320 - walked in. 00:24:21.320 --> 00:24:27.610 - And so we were, we were celebrating my friend's 50th birthday, and he didn't know we were coming we 00:24:27.610 --> 00:24:33.320 - were kind of doing stuff with his wife to make sure that you know you would see a surprise. 00:24:33.320 --> 00:24:40.300 - So we finally went to Denver, drove to Boulder, got there and then we were texting like we're at 00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:46.320 - the bar and we should see them in the window and then we walk in the front door. 00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:53.260 - Like what's going on, like, yeah, I had too much to drink like he was just like rubbing his eyes 00:24:53.260 --> 00:25:00.320 - and, but he was, he was really touched and, you know, for me, he was a high school friend. 00:25:00.320 --> 00:25:09.190 - And for, for my friend, they went to college together, we're in a fraternity together so we don't 00:25:09.190 --> 00:25:16.320 - have too many of those sorts of friends where we try to go see folks so it was good. 00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:34.320 - Tell us when we come back to business. 00:25:34.320 --> 00:25:40.370 - Tell you when I when you come back. Yeah, yeah, so we unless you guys want to reconvene, you 00:25:40.370 --> 00:25:43.320 - shouldn't talk business when we're not convened. 00:25:43.320 --> 00:25:48.320 - I was, I was recommended for that. 00:25:48.320 --> 00:26:08.320 - I'm not knowing all those rules but yeah. 00:26:08.320 --> 00:26:11.320 - We have to wait till the stated time. 00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:15.320 - Yeah, yeah, we have to wait to 635. 00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:21.320 - Because that's what we said we're going to do. Okay, somebody was online and they went away. 00:26:21.320 --> 00:26:27.320 - What should I ask if someone can get information. 00:26:27.320 --> 00:26:56.320 - We can when we get back. We can talk through it. 00:26:56.320 --> 00:27:14.320 - Okay. 00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:20.320 - Okay. 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:49.320 - That's what he said. 00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:54.320 - Okay. 00:27:54.320 --> 00:28:13.320 - Okay. 00:28:13.320 --> 00:28:30.320 - Okay. 00:28:30.320 --> 00:28:46.320 - Okay. 00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:54.320 - And then when do we reconvene. 00:28:54.320 --> 00:29:04.320 - I think I leave the next day for our vacations. That's why I it's like the second week of July. 00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:26.320 - Okay. 00:29:26.320 --> 00:29:29.320 - Yeah. 00:29:29.320 --> 00:29:31.320 - Yeah. 00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:39.320 - We're going when we leave on the fifth or two weeks to go to Europe and Africa. 00:29:39.320 --> 00:29:45.320 - We're we're only Paris, Barcelona, and then several places around Morocco. 00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:53.320 - My niece is in the Peace Corps in Morocco. So she's going to be our, our tour guide and translator. 00:29:53.320 --> 00:29:56.320 - Yeah, right. 00:29:56.320 --> 00:29:59.320 - So we reconvene on the 16th. 00:29:59.320 --> 00:30:02.320 - The 16th. Yeah, I'm in the full council. 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:05.320 - There's a committee counts. 00:30:05.320 --> 00:30:07.320 - Process. 00:30:07.320 --> 00:30:10.320 - Committee and council process in the 14th. 00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:12.320 - Oh, okay. 00:30:12.320 --> 00:30:14.320 - We do that. 00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:16.320 - My committee and. 00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:20.320 - Are you okay. I've had a lot of conflicts with the meetings lately. 00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:37.320 - I'm not allowed. 00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:41.320 - Very hard, especially with the way my work calendar. 00:30:41.320 --> 00:30:45.320 - Fills up. I mean, my whole meeting, my whole days of meeting. 00:30:45.320 --> 00:30:48.320 - So I can't really do. 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:51.320 - I mean, 00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:56.320 - I don't know if that makes things worse or better. 00:30:56.320 --> 00:31:02.320 - I mean, 00:31:02.320 --> 00:31:03.320 - Some, 00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:06.320 - there are some time slots that I can work in during the day, 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:09.320 - but I need like two weeks advanced notice at least. 00:31:09.320 --> 00:31:10.320 - Right. 00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:13.320 - But then I can't guarantee that I'll still be available either. 00:31:13.320 --> 00:31:14.320 - If. 00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:15.320 - You know, 00:31:15.320 --> 00:31:19.320 - I can't guarantee that I'll still be available either. 00:31:19.320 --> 00:31:27.320 - Yeah. 00:32:27.320 --> 00:32:28.320 - for them. 00:32:58.320 --> 00:33:09.120 - Okay, let's um let's be back in um convening or something. Um all right so uh Dave were you 00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:15.360 - able to get your scores for us? Yes I did. It was mother of others cover score here. I believe I 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:15.520 - put 00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:23.520 - 3.5. Okay very good yeah we did that because it changes things dramatically and then the um 00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:31.120 - yeah and then uh 37 restore how death for humanity. I did that as well. Uh score. Oh gosh 00:33:31.120 --> 00:33:35.920 - sorry you don't do this on me. Yeah it's because you're not working on the live. Sorry about that. 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:46.960 - Okay um three. Okay thank you and then Nordia will you be able to do any of your numbers? 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:54.960 - The reason for not filling out anything for mother of others was I didn't even see the application. 00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:02.960 - You know the document that I received it actually was blank blank except for the staff comment 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:12.320 - section which noted that the application summary no not filled out. Project budget BS. There wasn't 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:19.520 - even a name I just assumed it's that because it falls between um humane society and you hope I 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:31.920 - think it is. So the full application is there? Uh not online. Okay so. So is everybody else the 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:39.520 - same in terms of that blank? No. I know the summary was missing but the whole application 00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:50.400 - was there the mic? Oh okay. And the same like begin or um the habitat you told us why you missed 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.720 - that because we were deciding between which which they needed to decide which one was going to be 00:34:54.720 --> 00:35:06.560 - considered. So how do we want to handle? So it's just as a matter of explanation so if it's if the 00:35:06.560 --> 00:35:11.520 - cell is left missing does it just take an average of the ones that were in there? It was yeah we'll 00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:16.160 - just take the average of the ones that were made. So I mean if it's okay with you just could we 00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:16.400 - just 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:28.750 - go on the average of the worst what we responded. So yeah I mean if that's okay with everyone I 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:28.880 - mean 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:35.680 - I'm just trying to let's see let's make sure this is added correctly um I mean so say say 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:40.880 - that had been a one or a three or a seven that's how it changes it actually. 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:51.360 - Right but I guess what I'm saying is see the missing cell there for beacon yeah enter a five 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:57.840 - and it doesn't matter right? Sure but like so for these ones I think where there's not a big spread 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:04.640 - I mean but okay but let's I mean I'm okay to proceed and just leave these blank as we've left 00:36:05.600 --> 00:36:10.560 - and these blank as well and then I guess as we talk through them if there's any concerns I guess 00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:15.360 - around sort of where they're ranked um which I think just I mean to your point maybe maybe it's 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.190 - just this mother helpers cover fund just because I sort of ranked it so high that maybe it's you 00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:20.320 - know 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:27.040 - bringing it up a little higher so okay and for you know if people are watching this now or later I 00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:32.080 - mean the thing I'm sorry for being a bit um you know it's just that we're trying to work through 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:37.520 - like what is it you know how do we deal with having a rubric right I mean we um is one one thing 00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:37.680 - that 00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:42.640 - we that I that one of the things the two things that I realized going through the rubric were one 00:36:42.640 --> 00:36:48.960 - we we didn't actually talk about how then we would do allocation tied to rubric um and then two was 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:56.720 - that a lot of it was not contested information I mean so so a lot of it was just like okay it is 00:36:56.720 --> 00:37:03.440 - what it is it wasn't you know it wasn't like left to interpretation um uh with the exception of 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:03.760 - like 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:09.200 - two or three of our categories and then we had the space to do bonus points so um so so that's 00:37:09.200 --> 00:37:14.960 - you know the those those two present a sort of tension for me with with dealing with how we're 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:23.200 - going about um um the the rubric so um okay but anyway so so okay let's go back then to how we 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:31.280 - were doing it we have them have them in order here and um i'll put them back in order because 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:38.320 - with dave's scores those two change there we go okay so this is our current order 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:49.040 - and we said we said very high is a four point what or five five wait it's a sorry it's five 00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:53.600 - or higher and really fast that's ginger boy that emerged for me is that i think adding the bonus 00:37:53.600 --> 00:38:00.400 - points and we added one more category meant that those points were higher once added than right 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.040 - they were so that so i didn't notice that until i was in in it but it was because the categories 00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:14.560 - looked different last year right when i used it right so yeah something something okay so 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:24.960 - yeah okay so so so if we i don't know how we got debut overfunded um community kitchen 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:32.160 - i did um and that's what you want to do that's that's or was that okay okay so i i can explain 00:38:32.160 --> 00:38:35.920 - why but yes yes that's what i chose to do yeah excellent just just making sure that that was on 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:44.560 - purpose um so okay so so like how do we want to approach this i mean well maybe we should 00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:49.120 - go around and see if the top 10 or something kind of align with 00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:59.280 - or how agreeable it is to everyone um and that gives us an idea of you know at least dispensing 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:06.160 - of those do you think that's appropriate that makes sense but if we yeah let's let's let's 00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:13.440 - okay i have a i have a thought could we discuss can we send eddie out of the room and discuss scab 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:19.680 - first because because that is actually a there's a there's a that swings in a lot of ways here even 00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:24.880 - though they're not in our top 10 just because of the amount that was requested um does that would 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:32.800 - that be okay yeah yeah oh thanks go ahead i don't know if effectively if he needs to leave the room 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:40.320 - per se but um so so i don't know if that affected the way that you all ranked oh they're not in our 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:48.080 - top 10 anyways so they're in the middle um here and so okay maybe actually oh here we are 33 yeah 00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:55.360 - but i didn't actually um suggest any amount for them because it was such a ginormous ass and 00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:03.520 - and i and so you know i sort of just left that blank ranked everybody else and then dealt with 00:40:03.520 --> 00:40:09.920 - them later they're sort of in the middle here but sure but i but like when i look at all of our all 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:17.120 - of the amount funded like if we if we just went off of our averages we're at 573 um which is you 00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:25.920 - know so we're 70k over so we're close which is like that yeah like everybody took a haircut 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.160 - exactly someone out we could fund most basically fund almost almost almost all the requests and 00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:39.040 - there's only it looks to me like there's only the one that um did any of us suggest 00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:47.360 - is anybody did anybody get zeroed out there are no it doesn't look like what well doesn't look 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:54.960 - there's a single there's a single person who who got where does is it crested hill where does that 00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:02.240 - fall because that was another ginormous ask yeah i mean their average is 20 29 000 oh is that right 00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:10.000 - okay so somebody and it looks like somebody funded them yeah um i mean uh south central 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:18.320 - committee action program i actually recommended the full amount right so okay so that was the 00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:22.720 - only thing i just posted i mean we can we might have to send eddie out again but i just wanted to 00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:28.160 - see because that was one thing pending for me about you know and how that's weighing and what 00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:35.120 - we actually you know averaged out to people regardless of server where they um where they 00:41:35.120 --> 00:41:45.680 - ranked but and here they get six and seven okay yeah um okay okay so sorry um we're jumping all 00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:53.120 - over the place so i'm so i'm sorry yeah let's let's bring eddie back and then eddie come back 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:05.360 - go back do we so do we have any disagreements on these 10 or anything that jumps out to you 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.680 - i see because i have to send you out in a second but yeah um 00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:18.960 - could you scroll to the time come oh yeah i'm not i'm okay lisa's the one oh i'm sorry 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:28.960 - lisa's the one that has the power mass can you read off the top then i so top top 10 right now 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:36.080 - our community kitchen blomington st vincent de paul's beacon and they're not their joint one 00:42:36.080 --> 00:42:43.600 - um community cjm pantry 279 and the other beacon application mother hubbard's cupboard 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:49.440 - uh new leaf new life healing hands outreach center and um who's your hills feedback 00:42:49.440 --> 00:43:07.600 - and and in terms of averages here the those are our top 10 the average is 00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:12.080 - sort of showing that we also slightly different approaches here and how to fund 00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:20.640 - um range from you know none of these get 100 percent of the ask based on based on our average 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:30.480 - giving so so may i suggest for this first round that we take that take the approach of saying 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:40.320 - that everyone over a 4.5 you fully fund yeah can i ask a question though yeah um since i'm rather 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:47.360 - rather new with this so we we we had said that restore habitat for humanity and then the habitat 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.720 - was a double applicant right yes so they should choose one or the other yes doesn't that exist for 00:43:52.720 --> 00:44:01.440 - beacon health net great question and no so so the difference is the reason why um why that existed 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:07.280 - for for um restore was because they're so organizations are allowed to submit two 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:13.200 - applications if their second application is a collaborative application um for restore they 00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:17.920 - submitted two one is a collaborative one is normal but the entity with which they submitted 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:26.720 - their collaborative was was the same entity as themselves um so that's why um and and they you 00:44:26.720 --> 00:44:32.400 - know we we then decided as a group that we would allow them you know that that we'll sort of you 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:38.000 - know hear it allow them we found out at the interviews that that that was the case um because 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:44.480 - that was our main question about about the about their application and i called and spoke with them 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:53.120 - in restoring habitat for humanity confirmed they are one in the same entity yeah so that's so that's 00:44:53.120 --> 00:44:59.840 - why whereas beacon whereas beacon is a they're two two different applications as a result of my 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:06.880 - conversation with them they both indicated that they wanted uh resource application to proceed 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:14.400 - okay got it um so you're proposing 4.5 and above fully funded just as a placeholder for now 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:20.480 - to give it to so that we can make fully funded or funded in the amount or the average amount 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:26.240 - it's there i think fund i think fully fund which so i mean or i mean if we do that i mean i don't 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:33.040 - know some will decrease some because we've got averages above that only one is above 00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:45.760 - you want to say higher than 4.5 is fully funded is it like 4.5 and five like very high higher two 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:57.440 - different levels um okay can we say and so five or five about 400 or 4.7 or i mean just something 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:06.240 - between 4.5 and five i just don't want 4.5 to be before since yeah because 4.5 is uh what did we 00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:11.910 - say on our rubric was very high very high is five or more okay okay yes so so i so i think we 00:46:11.910 --> 00:46:12.240 - should 00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:22.960 - stick with that and say and say five okay five or higher right so if we so um so if if we but okay 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:29.760 - but then but that that would represent a very different way of assigning i mean that's that's 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:35.840 - i mean that's me saying assign the way i assign so i just want to i want to you know at least 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.600 - disagree with myself for a second because that's not the way that everybody else assigned 00:46:40.240 --> 00:46:46.160 - so i mean the the alternatives that we say let's just take our averages right it's yep so i'm 00:46:46.160 --> 00:46:46.480 - saying 00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.480 - 10 and so that's the one we mean fully fund i mean take the average of what we funded 00:46:50.480 --> 00:47:00.400 - the average of five or higher for the rubric the average yeah so so so if it's a five or higher 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:07.600 - this amount is what goes here yes that's that would be i said this i'm sorry i'm not on the live 00:47:07.600 --> 00:47:13.440 - document the average amount recommended or no the full amount full amount not average requested 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:20.320 - yes the amount the full this is yeah this is a question are we so so do we for these for those 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:26.320 - who have five and aboves do we do we for now as a placeholder we can say that they get the amount 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:44.080 - requested yes yes everybody agrees with that yeah okay i mean so so that goes down to this one ah 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:55.680 - no no oh did it okay sorry it's something on my screen okay there we go okay do you scroll over 00:47:55.680 --> 00:48:06.000 - to the right ever so slightly at least yeah somewhere and i would just say because i don't 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:11.360 - think we need to need the average scores is enough so and it's it's already uh there's a frame um 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:20.080 - um freeze so if you just if you scroll at the bottom i think we'll be okay i don't think because 00:48:20.080 --> 00:48:26.320 - this is making it too small so let's see okay you guys can see that's good um okay then what 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:34.320 - do we want to do with what's the next ranking is high yeah 4.5 to i think it's four and 4.5 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:45.200 - that's high yeah so or or two so so the the fours how do we want to do we what amounts do we give 00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:52.480 - them how can we just scroll down for a second and see yeah how many points we have that's going 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:52.800 - from 00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:05.680 - three brothers big sisters so that's entry 26 to um eight that's 19 okay can you tell me 00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:18.240 - what crested bell refuge scored on the average rubric crested hill their average is a 3.58 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:29.040 - just cares okay what if i don't know i because so what i did on my rubric 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:38.720 - anything that scored below a medium i didn't fund at all so anything below a 3.5 got no funding 00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:46.400 - i think what if we took a second well i'm just i'm just trying to think of like a fair across the 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:54.960 - board at least start our point what if everything that's a high or to 4.5 we put in is 75 and then 00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.320 - everything that's a medium we put in is 50 i don't know that that's and then we see where we're at 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:07.280 - well then we can go through and actually see where the right breaking point is yeah i also 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.400 - want to suggest and i'll lean on the group of whatever they want to do but i think anything 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:21.520 - above 4.5 to 4.99 should kind of hits a threshold there that was close to five 00:50:21.520 --> 00:50:32.720 - i think that between 4.51 and 4.99 in my opinion should be good so yeah so you're saying you're 00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:42.800 - saying the yeah yeah is that the 4.5s also be so that would be okay so let me get it thoughts on 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:58.720 - that everyone so this would be um an additional uh oops an additional eight for full funding 00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:03.120 - we can try it again the placeholders 00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:19.280 - where are we at money lines that's going to be one second equals 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:29.040 - so that would be 265,415 a little bit over half 00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:36.320 - yeah i mean yeah 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:51.120 - we want to look at the rest of the highs the four to the 4.5 and see where that puts us because 00:51:51.120 --> 00:51:57.920 - i'm fine if the medium score and then we go to the mediums and see which ones 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:07.520 - so if we go fours so what's the thoughts on then how to deal with the the rest of these the um 00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:12.880 - then we look at the highest scores well i'm sorry i'm 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:19.440 - thinking is crested hill no in the 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:26.640 - i was just worried about if we apply that across the board then we're 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:35.360 - other funds i mean but we have yeah i mean we we wouldn't be able to do 100 here um 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:44.480 - because of the well you know back to my reasoning for sending eddie out 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:48.720 - don't worry i can't see it so 00:52:54.240 --> 00:53:05.440 - oh i see okay so so i i a lot of these though okay so this is it gets it's it's interesting because 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:15.520 - you know if you look down if you could scroll down to um i scroll up sorry um so that you can see 00:53:15.520 --> 00:53:28.320 - starting at entry um uh column 16 it's in the columns which is entry 30 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:36.080 - yeah so so if you i mean we're fairly 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:45.760 - you know up high in terms of our average amount funded on on these and then down here it starts 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:54.160 - to get really variable relative to each other right so you have a 61 then an 81 then a 72 then 00:53:54.160 --> 00:54:09.920 - a 46 percent i see yeah so i mean there's um so so i mean yeah you might want to 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.240 - have that you know sort of deal those out a little bit more 00:54:15.680 --> 00:54:26.640 - maybe we we create a new course we're pulling from the high category or 4.25 or 4.5 or 00:54:26.640 --> 00:54:35.040 - i just don't it's i mean it's you know where we set high is is maybe arbitrary in this sense 00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:40.560 - because we set that we set the number we set the number without knowing how people would score 00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:47.680 - so so should high very high etc not be relative to the way they actually scored because let so 00:54:47.680 --> 00:54:54.800 - so you know hypothetically had everybody scored a two on our rubric would would we have not funded 00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:04.160 - them all except you think we would have to have i think we would have done the rubric yeah that 00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:08.880 - or then we would have gone back to what we did last year and go through each one trying to figure 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:14.240 - out because remember that would put you a bigger problem when they're just not the applications 00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:24.880 - aren't meeting the criteria of but but that's it but but but so but uh was five i mean we you know 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:33.600 - we we we set five it was an arbitrary place for it to be high or very high right right right now 00:55:33.600 --> 00:55:39.920 - like right now right now eddie's arguing that a four is it should be treated as a five so what 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:45.110 - if we think about it versus those thresholds what if we think about it in terms of our averages 00:55:45.110 --> 00:55:45.280 - like 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.520 - you were saying earlier our top 10 you know right so we look at our top and maybe we don't 00:55:51.520 --> 00:55:52.080 - necessarily 00:55:52.080 --> 00:55:58.880 - have to create thresholds in that way and beyond a certain point maybe we we take more seriously 00:55:58.880 --> 00:55:59.120 - our 00:55:59.120 --> 00:56:06.800 - average amount recommended yeah um because those are all you know those all of our input created 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:11.200 - that number right i mean because because the way i was thinking about is if we thought if we 00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:11.360 - thought 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:15.600 - like in a standard distribution right that there's that there's some portion of that very high 00:56:15.600 --> 00:56:16.240 - equals 00:56:16.240 --> 00:56:22.320 - you know that you know whatever 14 percent or you know that bottom of the bell curve and that is 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:26.960 - statistics but you know that that amount and then there's some amount that's just sort of our mid 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:33.680 - and then our lows or something like that um and but it's not relative to how they actually 00:56:33.680 --> 00:56:37.760 - scored rather than the arbitrary numbers that we set as high very high 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:50.960 - do you see what i'm saying i mean as last year i used the percentages but i didn't actually love 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.800 - that whenever we went to conversation about it because i do think the partial funding 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.840 - piece deserves to be considered as well so i almost think that beyond a certain point like 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:04.240 - we figure out who we want to fully fund and then beyond that point even though it takes longer i 00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:08.560 - think we just go we go through and then figure out what appropriate yeah because i just feel like 00:57:08.560 --> 00:57:15.600 - it's more effective that way yeah because i mean just looking here let me just take you for example 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:23.280 - pals we averaged less than under twelve thousand dollars for them right by this 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:30.080 - approach we're giving them full funding right when none of us none of us wants to give them funding 00:57:30.080 --> 00:57:40.480 - yeah yeah we only gave them 61 percent and then this has us just automatically giving another 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:41.040 - percent 00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:48.320 - yeah the others are closer yeah those are others are all you know 85 and above i agree with that so 00:57:48.320 --> 00:58:01.040 - so so well what what we're saying is you know stopping at uh healing hands was number 10 00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:06.640 - it's healing cancer is it now 10 who's your most sweet bag of sight 00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:18.000 - is it that high we had um because we started okay yeah looking at looking at top 10 instead of 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:30.880 - okay so okay so top 10 there 00:58:35.600 --> 00:58:42.000 - but then same thing there are similar situation here i mean maybe there maybe there's a some point 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:47.760 - which is to get fully funded you should have even though you have the score that you want 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.800 - um you know average funded percentage higher than 90 00:58:52.800 --> 00:59:00.240 - i don't know or does it i mean are you okay with maybe just close enough but 00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:06.880 - maybe because an interesting case that super high scoring but on average we didn't give them 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:15.680 - but i guess well david i had a question for you really fast so i think you said that you put in 00:59:15.680 --> 00:59:19.520 - there that you thought community kitchen like you overfunded community kitchen but you ranked 00:59:19.520 --> 00:59:25.280 - them at a 4.5 which is like relatively low on the list of all of your scores so i'm just wondering 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.960 - all my scores are lower than yours or most people's so 4.5 is like a higher it's high for me 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:42.940 - okay yeah i think so you know in so my perspective is a terrific is a great way sort of as a 00:59:42.940 --> 00:59:43.280 - thumbnail 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:49.360 - so kind of under you know kind of feel out where you know the priorities are but when it comes to 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:56.400 - actual funding and i'm looking at the application i'm looking for you know really important needs 00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:04.640 - you know food shelter you know kids you know kids needs especially if they're traumatized 01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:12.000 - or something like that i mean that that was my personal you know you know so so the rubric might 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:17.760 - differ from but this is a question about the rubric though because it's like but we that's 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:22.320 - what we started was the story of rubric yeah but i was gonna say like of the things that we were 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:30.640 - ranking so um we didn't score partial funding project location is there's no like there's no 01:00:30.640 --> 01:00:36.400 - gray area there right we're giving more points to people that are Bloomington specific versus 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:41.520 - Montero County generally Montero County generally was half a point and not in Montero County more 01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:46.090 - Bloomington's no points well right but they wouldn't have been eligible if they yeah yeah yeah so 01:00:46.090 --> 01:00:46.720 - so but 01:00:46.720 --> 01:00:52.080 - but that but that's a that's a black or white thing it's not a like there's no like was this really 01:00:52.080 --> 01:00:56.480 - Bloomington or was this really Montero County no it is there is gray absolutely there is well 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:56.800 - because 01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:06.960 - sorry yeah i mean if we're you know if if if uh people would you know without shelter are you 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:12.640 - know are looking for food shelter they're going to do it in Bloomington because it's central 01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:17.360 - yeah whereas if i'm funding something you know it's federal for boys and girls club or whatever it 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:17.840 - was 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:24.080 - yeah well you know that's that you know Monroe County should be looking out for that 01:01:24.080 --> 01:01:31.680 - do you know what i'm saying i do i do but you know we've got that population is in Bloomington even 01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:38.720 - though they may disperse into the county at times or but for this but that's my point i don't think 01:01:38.720 --> 01:01:44.080 - that that if we went one by one over this that we've been tested that we can test that on any 01:01:44.080 --> 01:01:48.640 - of these applications all right kind of like combining what you're starting with the union 01:01:48.640 --> 01:01:57.440 - first right yeah i was just going to ask the general question if um there's a scoring on the 01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:04.320 - rule to take away the significance of the product but what do you mean like in terms of what he was 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:14.000 - mentioning um seeing the impact for it um will it uh will benefits yeah you know those 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:14.960 - considerations 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:21.630 - that we mark at the beginning for focused for john alkins you know project that support the 01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:22.400 - community 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:28.000 - the people certain people who are in need and so on so i'm wondering if this foreign is kind of 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:34.800 - deviating away from that aspect of it. But where, what things are not captured in the rubric 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:40.480 - that are supposed to be captured in the priorities of Jack Hopkins, because that's why we did put 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:52.320 - bonus points. My point here is that I'm interested in like what are the points that are, 01:02:53.360 --> 01:03:00.000 - that are, that would have a different analysis of both to inform our rubric as we continue working 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.600 - through it. And I think to get at this question, which is like, you know, like how reliable is our 01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:13.600 - scores to begin with, right? So I kind of, I think adjacent to what we're all saying a little bit, 01:03:13.600 --> 01:03:20.160 - but kind of what Dave was saying about it being kind of a thumbnail, I think that the difference 01:03:20.160 --> 01:03:25.200 - is that we all scored the rubric and then made a funding recommendation based on our personal 01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:29.360 - scores on the rubric. So I really think that what we could be taking the most seriously 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:35.120 - is our average that we, that we talked through. And then we can kind of relate that to like the 01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:40.080 - partial funding piece where it's appropriate, because I think that like he was saying, 01:03:40.080 --> 01:03:45.040 - I thought about a lot about emergency services whenever I was scoring and like those things 01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:54.880 - tended to get more funding versus, you know, citing. And so it was kind of, you know, I feel like 01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:02.800 - our rubric average maybe means something different to all of us, but we all made recommendations 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:08.560 - based on how we interpreted our own rubric. Yeah. You know, so maybe it's just the funding 01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:16.400 - number we just us. Yeah. So we should be looking at the ranking of the average funding. Yeah. No, 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:25.200 - but then, but then you, so, okay, so ranking average amount, percentage. Yeah. Good. Let's 01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:30.880 - sort it that way and see what that looks like. So that's what we used to do, right? Historically, 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:36.720 - that's what the Hopkins committee did. We all made estimate, we all gave an estimated amount 01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:42.720 - that we would fund. And then those all got averaged. And then if there was big disparities 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:46.400 - or people wanted to really advocate for something, they might persuade other people to change. 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:52.080 - That's the way we always did it. Not that the rubric approach hasn't got its merits. I'm just 01:04:52.080 --> 01:05:00.000 - saying, yeah, that is what we've done. Yeah, it was helpful in a lot of ways to help guide me 01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:09.040 - to going, oh, okay, I do see certain things that maybe I hadn't picked up on. But then there were 01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:15.590 - times where I was like, I've got to give it another point because technically, but I don't want to 01:05:15.590 --> 01:05:15.680 - give 01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:23.680 - it another point because then it bumps it up to high or very high. And I don't deem it that in my 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:34.480 - personal, but like you said, that's going up high. Which is exactly why, I mean, to the historical 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:41.520 - point, this is exactly why we're pushing to adopt a rubric because if all of us stay here for the 01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:42.000 - next 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:47.840 - 20 years or something, we continue to be on this and it just becomes this like, how does Andy feel 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:53.280 - about stuff? Bored. That's what we don't want to do. We want to be very clear about this is what 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.200 - we're funding. And this is the reason why we're funding it. I mean, and I'll give an example openly 01:05:57.200 --> 01:06:06.720 - here. Like, I mean, frankly, I didn't want to fund Crested Hill, but the rubric, they filled it out, 01:06:06.720 --> 01:06:12.640 - they asked the questions. It's like, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, so it's not about 01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:13.360 - like, 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:18.960 - do I think that people should have horses? Like that's not really the question, right? Like it's, 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.920 - and so the question is like, this is what we said we're looking for. And then you came and answered 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:32.240 - our questions, right? Like, you know, and so I think that there's some equity in that type of 01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:36.960 - approach. But then we're, so back to our core question is about, we're still trying to figure 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:43.280 - out how do we from that decide. So notice the way you've ranked it right now, that the average, 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:51.040 - you know, score, everything there is about 4.25 except for one, which has changed over living. So 01:06:51.040 --> 01:07:01.040 - it's not so askew, right? I mean, at or at odds, I think that this is, and I'm looking at the 01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:01.440 - ranking 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:08.800 - and it's very much like what I saw were priorities. I don't know people concur with that in terms 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:09.120 - of 01:07:09.120 --> 01:07:16.080 - really emergency services, food, shelter, the needs, you know, we really need to find them. 01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:19.920 - And this is where I actually think you can zip through the list pretty quickly and saying like, 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.720 - let's go through the amounts. Do we really fund this? Do we have a partial funding? Like can we 01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:28.880 - round? I think last year we rounded to the closest partial funding, which I thought was really. 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:39.440 - Okay. Okay. So, okay. So, so then, um, back. So, so I'll put them back with our average scores. Yes. 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:47.360 - They're right. Cameron or keep the average funding amount. I think average funding. Okay. So, 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:55.120 - okay. So then, so courage to change. So we're living keep, just do what we average said here. 01:07:55.120 --> 01:07:58.160 - It's not very much to start from the beginning of the list again, 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:04.800 - just to talk through each of them. Okay. Okay. So back. Okay. So, so community kitchen, highest 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:12.960 - score, um, highest amounts given fully fund. I think so. Yeah. Um, Bloomington, St. Paul's 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:19.280 - also high score. I mean, very high score. Um, you know, we average amount was high, fully fund. 01:08:19.280 --> 01:08:27.360 - Now, and I'll keep going until there's a contention. Okay. Um, pantry 279 high score, um, 01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:34.640 - high amount funded, fully fund. Mother Hubbard's covered getting now at, uh, at a not very high 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:40.480 - score, but a high score. Um, but a high amount, high amounts across the board for all of us, 01:08:40.480 --> 01:08:46.240 - fully fund. Um, that is the answer for all of these that are already on the board. Basically 01:08:46.240 --> 01:08:53.680 - high scores, um, fully fund. So then courage to change sober living is the next one in terms 01:08:53.680 --> 01:09:01.280 - of percentage that we all recommended. Um, I think we should call it, but they're pretty low score. 01:09:01.280 --> 01:09:07.440 - But we don't recommend it. I don't know. We all did because we did say at the beginning 01:09:07.440 --> 01:09:11.360 - that we all dealt with, with recommendations differently in the sense that some of you 01:09:11.360 --> 01:09:17.360 - after you had done your high scores, basically found low, low things to fund, which then gets 01:09:17.360 --> 01:09:22.640 - us in a, it does get us in a weird situation that it's like, what we're saying is if you apply for 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:27.600 - little, we'll give you extra points. So, so we have that extra rubric, which is, which again, 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:32.160 - like maybe that's what we want to do, but, but, you know, and we, we saw that in the presentation, 01:09:32.160 --> 01:09:34.880 - remember a lot of people asked, why didn't you ask for more? And they were like, ah, well, 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:39.920 - you guys tend to think they're a little, right. And, and we, when, and, and that puts a tentative 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:43.360 - that we were like, we want people to go for big stuff. We want you to try cool things. We want, 01:09:43.360 --> 01:09:46.560 - we want, we want, and then we're going to say, ah, the data applied for too much. 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:57.620 - Okay. I mean, I know that I recommended fully on them on mine. So maybe it's like, we have to talk 01:09:57.620 --> 01:09:58.400 - about 01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:07.310 - below scores, especially to get across the board. It looks like we're at three, 3.5. It's like 01:10:07.310 --> 01:10:07.680 - three, 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:15.460 - three, Courtney, 3.5. You had a five cam, um, then Nordia's 3.5, Eddie's a 4.5 and the Dave's a 01:10:15.460 --> 01:10:16.240 - three. 01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:30.480 - It was high frame, but again, I mean, for the, I, I realized your point about, you know, 01:10:30.480 --> 01:10:35.840 - the nickel and diamond kind of thing or whatever, you know, people applying for a little amount, 01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:42.720 - et cetera. But I mean, I can be convinced to give them the amount they are the average amount. 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:48.800 - Okay. So let's go with the average amount for now. Yeah. Three, seven, oops, I'm doing this 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:52.080 - wrong, doing this wrong, doing this wrong, doing this wrong. Wait, I should be more technical. 01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:56.560 - Do you want to highlight the ones that we put as partial funding just so we can revisit them if 01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:07.760 - we need to? Yes. Well, I would like to just add, I'm not so sure. I see quite as much 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:15.040 - tension with between the smaller grants and the larger in terms of what we seem to be willing to 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:26.240 - fund. I feel like a really innovative, just great idea, great proposal by an agency that is proven 01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:35.040 - track record. And I feel like at least I would not hesitate to give them a hundred thousand dollars. 01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:45.040 - Exactly. That's exactly right. All I'm saying is here, you have a middle score for Curves to 01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:51.360 - Live, but we're saying we'll give them the full funding or near full funding. That's what I'm 01:11:51.360 --> 01:11:57.280 - saying is the tension. And the reason why that showed up this way is because some of us, 01:11:57.280 --> 01:12:06.400 - after applying our high scores, distributed money to low scores. So that's essentially contra. 01:12:06.400 --> 01:12:12.640 - There's a disconnect between the average rubric score and the average amount funded. 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.440 - Because in the back of your mind, you're thinking, well, 01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:18.240 - what difference does it make to give two more thousand dollars to it? 01:12:18.240 --> 01:12:25.440 - Yeah, I did it. I gave them, I'm the poster child for this. I scored them a 3.5, 01:12:25.440 --> 01:12:29.920 - they're ranked a medium on my score sheet. But I gave them full funding because I was like, 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:38.640 - it's 3000 bucks. We can find that. I had a lot of fives the way that I scored with the rubric. 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:46.160 - And then courage change was at a 4.5 for me. And I mean, the biggest, like I was trying to find 01:12:46.160 --> 01:12:53.040 - emergency services that seemed to be something that pushed a lot of stuff over five. Drug tests 01:12:53.040 --> 01:12:58.450 - aren't necessarily, it's not an emergency, right? They're in stable living, it's a maintenance 01:12:58.450 --> 01:12:59.200 - thing. 01:12:59.200 --> 01:13:05.680 - So I think that for some of the years, the funding makes sense, but at some point you get to that 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:12.080 - bottom and I ended up leaving money on the table because I wanted you all to decide what was left. 01:13:12.080 --> 01:13:19.200 - But I think something for courage change, I mean, if you look at why you scored it the way that you 01:13:19.200 --> 01:13:27.350 - did, it was probably it was an emergency service for you and that scored it lower. But at some 01:13:27.350 --> 01:13:28.080 - point 01:13:28.080 --> 01:13:33.280 - near the bottom, we all had money left over, right? It's like we're assuming that all of the top 01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:39.360 - priorities got funded and we had leftover funding to distribute to then what became the next 01:13:39.360 --> 01:13:46.720 - highest priorities. And this is why I think what I'm trying to say here at this juncture is just 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:47.280 - that 01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:54.400 - us now looking at average amount funded is misleading because there is in a handful of 01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:59.200 - cases there's going to be a disconnect between average amount funded and the average score. 01:13:59.200 --> 01:14:01.040 - So you want to just go back to looking at the average? 01:14:01.040 --> 01:14:07.120 - I think it makes more sense because and I realize also in my case how I'm skewing the numbers here 01:14:07.120 --> 01:14:13.760 - is that I didn't know what to do with SCAP. I didn't know what to do with restore and the 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:18.240 - two habits at once so I left them blank in terms of average amount. I gave the score but I didn't 01:14:18.240 --> 01:14:24.000 - give them funding because I didn't know what to do and so that's going to skew what you know the 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:32.960 - number here though the score is going to be consistent. Yeah I kind of resolved to scoring 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:42.240 - as opposed to assigning funds because that process is efficient but at the same time when looking 01:14:42.240 --> 01:14:42.320 - at 01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:49.680 - the project itself like what they're trying to do and the necessity of it compared to others like 01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:58.400 - where do you put the value in that. I'm a critical thinker sometimes I get too caught up in the 01:14:58.400 --> 01:15:13.200 - critical part and assessing too much things as the criteria in China it's so based off the scoring 01:15:13.200 --> 01:15:22.080 - alone in itself I feel like it doesn't represent what the need. But I think you're right I think 01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:26.880 - looking at it in order of average score in conjunction with our amount are dependent makes sense. 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:36.080 - Yes so what if we do this okay so if you take you know our window so let's say you know you 01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:44.720 - take everything that's you know 4.5 as an example right or the between 4.5s and then fives as an 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:54.320 - example and you look at the average amount yeah given across those as a placeholder we average 01:15:54.320 --> 01:16:02.000 - 84.7 percent across those so you could then give 84.7 percent to all those that fit in that 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:02.480 - category. 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:09.280 - Okay I'm going to push back please like I'm just I'm just like thinking out loud. 01:16:09.280 --> 01:16:15.520 - So I think that I think that something that came up I think maybe Andy you brought this up in the 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:20.400 - beginning with like some part of having a rubric can sometimes feel rigid and fitting everyone into 01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:24.480 - a box and that the value of having a committee is being able to use a rubric on top of having a 01:16:24.480 --> 01:16:30.720 - conversation and I don't think we can fit people into let's all let's give them all 82 percent I 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:36.720 - think that we align the conversation to then come to a consensus about even though it takes longer 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:41.920 - and it would be easier just to be like yes but but you know what I'm thinking I totally agree with 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:50.080 - you I still I 100 agree that the next step is for us to go through and peg them but I'm but I'd 01:16:50.080 --> 01:16:50.320 - like 01:16:50.320 --> 01:17:02.800 - us to set a you know if you will a floor at least conceptually for for ranges is what was I was 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:08.240 - thinking so we say you know if we imagine that everybody under our top 10 is going to get some 01:17:08.240 --> 01:17:12.960 - type of partial funding or you know that everybody that we can fund is going to get partial funding 01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:19.360 - that there's no more fully funded people outside of our top 10 then we sort of take they will aim 01:17:19.360 --> 01:17:24.480 - for like 90 here as an example and then and then that way we go and we're like we round to the 01:17:24.480 --> 01:17:34.400 - closest thing to 90 that fits within the way that they prioritize their budget I mean I don't like 01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:46.640 - that approach but I would do it I don't like it either actually I mean okay so I'm being difficult 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:52.000 - and I'm sorry so so okay what are we going to do with Avalon then how do we project you want 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:58.720 - to look at their at their grant I think we should fully fund them because I think that 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:07.360 - the project has lots of layers I think really beneficial to the community 01:18:12.160 --> 01:18:16.400 - there's no objection that's what I'll do I'm trying to I'm gonna put the project description this 01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:26.560 - it's the garden oh it's the gardens yeah yeah yeah I ranked food especially you know food security 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:32.160 - I think we talked about this and giving people the opportunity to actually grow food 01:18:32.160 --> 01:18:40.640 - is a skill that I think is really uh you know has a long-term benefit and we need to expand on 01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:46.080 - it is here's a question I have and this is taking us back and you guys are all going to grime at me 01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:54.890 - I'm so sorry this was one where I had to disconnect because the so going through the rubric you 01:18:54.890 --> 01:18:55.280 - know we 01:18:55.280 --> 01:18:58.720 - we answered residents served 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:08.480 - and you know we got that off of their application but it's it was tricky for me in a lot of these 01:19:08.480 --> 01:19:16.160 - to go well does this project actually serve that many people really are over 500 people going to 01:19:16.160 --> 01:19:22.320 - benefit from these gardens maybe they would I I'm not envisioning how large it is necessarily but 01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:28.880 - are we really going to be feeding more than 500 people so I had that question with with several 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:34.320 - of these numbers where I found it a little bit hard to believe that you know there were 01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:41.680 - so many people that they stated would benefit from this I thought they said 20 to 50 where 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:48.640 - was the range that they landed at for that one on their application where it says you know how many 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:54.560 - people are served benefit by this 600 I was almost saying I don't know the number but 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:59.520 - yeah it was something like that that's what that's one of the areas that I got tripped up with the 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:04.320 - rubric where I would have that disconnect and I would go oh I have to give them that point 01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:12.880 - but you know so they scored highly on my rubric but I lost now where it was but I only 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:17.440 - they scored very high yeah but I only recommended 10,000 01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:22.720 - so that's just another wrench I'm throwing in there and I'm sorry to 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:27.520 - throw a bomb and run I'm wondering next year it would make sense before we call them in for 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.880 - questions for us to go through them with the rubric because then I feel like some of those 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:36.400 - questions would like pop out then yeah you know yeah that's a good because I feel like 01:20:36.400 --> 01:20:40.320 - it would have been a good one like if we had been able to catch it early to be like can you explain 01:20:40.320 --> 01:20:46.720 - us how that's going to actually serve that many people right so so Courtney I had the same dilemma 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:54.080 - but when I looked at I mean I thought well maybe 50 will be or more than 50 yes that's me and that 01:20:54.080 --> 01:21:01.600 - was you know the full point under resident stern so it didn't matter so much to me that they had 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:01.840 - put 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:09.200 - something inaccurate yeah and I'm not saying it was an intentional inactive no not how many do we 01:21:09.200 --> 01:21:15.600 - generally serve as opposed to the project yeah yeah so then that's a problem for me too that they 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:22.000 - they get you know those points uh well so we haven't recommended full funding for them though 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:29.360 - across the board 50 to over 500 I'll get the same amount yes sorry we haven't recommended full 01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:38.560 - funding to them the question is what within their application what did they say was or prioritize 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:52.720 - um okay I have it up here so the so they have priority priority one three thousand eight hundred 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:58.240 - priority two two thousand eight hundred and fifty pretty three one thousand five hundred and twenty 01:21:58.240 --> 01:22:10.160 - five five thousand nine hundred so um a natural a natural place that's close to should have a 01:22:10.160 --> 01:22:19.280 - calculator what's um what's 17 what's seventeen thousand one hundred minus three thousand twenty 01:22:19.280 --> 01:22:30.240 - five fourteen thousand that would be that would be funding priorities one through four for them 01:22:30.240 --> 01:22:39.120 - so can we should we stay with that for now which is right on target we said for our average amount 01:22:39.120 --> 01:22:44.390 - was fourteen eight oh five does send the journey okay yeah so what was what was that amount 01:22:44.390 --> 01:22:45.520 - fourteen 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:56.230 - thousand seventy five uh okay I'll go back and do this in a second um this is all worth Santa's 01:22:56.230 --> 01:22:56.560 - money 01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:05.680 - I thought the closed captioning translated what you just said as 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:12.640 - which is all worth Santa's money okay and I think that's pretty accurate 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:20.720 - okay Catholic charities 01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:31.280 - right I rate this pretty high because of 01:23:34.240 --> 01:23:43.680 - mental physical and social trauma or impacts trauma yeah um that to me is 01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:49.600 - this no you're thinking about the Kendrick um Hendricks Hendricks um county one 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:56.800 - guess is Catholic Charities one too Catholic Charities was also providing therapy services 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:03.040 - for children oh is that right yeah oh yeah I'm confused I'm the Saint Vincent um the Saint Vincent 01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:13.840 - one I gave them 75% funding I thought they were um very high I'm skewing this one I'm wondering why 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:20.080 - why did I why did they I got they gave me a 3.5 but I'm not remembering why um 01:24:20.080 --> 01:24:25.440 - you're really I hate children and I don't care but 01:24:25.440 --> 01:24:30.960 - let me see what I did here um 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:40.320 - so 01:24:40.320 --> 01:24:54.720 - did I count did I count the I mean I'm going to count it wrong that's something we should do 01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:58.480 - also next year is have automatic points and things after you fill it out because 01:25:00.080 --> 01:25:04.240 - okay well I'm not I would not be opposed to funding them as you all suggested 01:25:04.240 --> 01:25:10.560 - yeah I mean access to mental health care especially for youth is extremely 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:14.800 - difficult in this town yeah and so I feel like the more we can give them the better 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:20.560 - yeah they basically said that there's no partial but partial funding just means they have less 01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:24.720 - people yeah yeah I mean even honestly even getting into Catholic charities 01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:29.600 - can be difficult for some people because they don't have enough funding 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:35.680 - yeah and I know this because we tried at one point so yeah okay so it's what's your what is 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:40.160 - the what are you saying what are you going to go with the 17,000 I don't think with that is 01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:47.920 - did you all fully fund this one where were you at I fully funded I didn't I didn't do any I guess I 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:54.560 - worked money on the table I didn't partially find anyone so I gave him 75% so no I I didn't pull my 01:25:54.560 --> 01:26:00.080 - weight on this I know but this I did go through and give it allocated funds from what I thought 01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:00.560 - were 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:07.360 - my priorities and I fully funded this one I just my logic was simply look this is investing in 01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:13.120 - reducing the need for all the other services in the future by nipping these situations in the blood 01:26:13.120 --> 01:26:19.040 - to the extent that we need very good economic argument I don't have a problem with putting down 01:26:19.040 --> 01:26:29.040 - both of these right now okay would you have I left it blank but I rated it high and I would 01:26:29.040 --> 01:26:40.480 - like to understand it fully okay um okay well then that that is what it will be um 01:26:40.480 --> 01:26:46.880 - and I'll go ahead in a second and see if I miscounted or something because it looks like 01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:52.160 - it's strange that that's the score based on what they did across the board so um okay um 01:26:52.160 --> 01:26:55.680 - Monroe County Humane Society is the next one 01:26:55.680 --> 01:27:05.120 - it would be it would be helpful somebody else could also pull up the 01:27:05.120 --> 01:27:09.040 - end the fund the full application if you have yeah I have it yeah but thank you 01:27:14.240 --> 01:27:19.680 - yeah so I actually funded this fully given though I rent ranked it medium 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:27.760 - as I was thinking about spay and neuter services again as an investment you know 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:36.080 - what's that it's a full five thousand so what is the full funding is this okay yeah this is um 01:27:36.080 --> 01:27:45.600 - 13 000 13 000 so a natural cut off would be 10 I also fully funded um I gave them 75 percent but 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:52.400 - again I really I don't think I gave anybody for most people I didn't give full funding 01:27:52.400 --> 01:27:57.600 - yeah we're not going to be able to give everybody full funding so like this was just me trying to 01:27:58.400 --> 01:28:15.200 - spread the money I mean so I if we if we so what we suggested altogether lost my place sorry um if 01:28:15.200 --> 01:28:22.880 - if we give what what we've all suggested it's 11 125 but um but that's not a natural 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:29.280 - cut point and actual cut point would be 10 naturally well in the sense that they rank 01:28:29.280 --> 01:28:35.360 - their priorities on there and they and they say priority one this one though for that 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:40.160 - three thousand dollars that's hanging it's for spay and neuter surgeries and so I feel like that 01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:45.600 - I feel like that could be partially fun yeah that's fine okay yeah I agree 01:28:50.480 --> 01:28:55.680 - I'll highlight them because we are going to get into difficult conversations later right so um 01:28:55.680 --> 01:29:03.440 - you know that we could cut a thousand dollars there if we if we needed to okay um that pals 01:29:03.440 --> 01:29:07.840 - it's a collaborative center stone 01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:17.840 - so and maybe I'm you know when I was thinking of like you know emergency services real priorities 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:24.240 - this break pretty low is crested hill does is does somebody want to offer something that would 01:29:24.240 --> 01:29:31.520 - change my viewpoint on it I mean this is something that really I had it very low also yeah so it's 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:36.160 - mental health right and and they're you know they're pairing this you know it's therapy 01:29:36.160 --> 01:29:45.840 - I write this one pretty high versus crested hill um but uh yes you know how do you think what they're 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:52.240 - doing is effective therapy for for their target demographic rate so I don't wonder if there's any 01:29:52.240 --> 01:29:58.960 - measure of well it's by the way in the in the ask was it you know out of this world 01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:07.200 - well that's true the area crested hill shouldn't be irrelevant consolidation and is it my 01:30:07.200 --> 01:30:12.640 - I mean I'm new here but last year they asked for funding did they get any 01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:21.360 - no they asked him they asked for a vehicle um also don't think it's relevant yeah I don't know if 01:30:21.360 --> 01:30:28.560 - there's a relevant consideration like we can't penalize people for you know well I'm only asking 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:36.720 - about your experience and right right hearing from them and maybe they had to convince you that it 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:41.280 - was right right right partial funding was just a reduction in service because it was program 01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:45.200 - funding for two week little one-hour sessions for six months and so I 01:30:45.200 --> 01:30:51.200 - right they were a medium rate for me and I just offered 50 of the funding because then that was 01:30:51.200 --> 01:30:56.960 - but three months of the that same thing 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:10.640 - I wouldn't post that how many months again go back to it is 24 24 weeks and they 01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:16.160 - how much time do they have to spend the money again is 24 weeks the full periods of that 01:31:16.160 --> 01:31:22.880 - so did they by chance did they by chance do yeah no that's right because they've spent back in 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:29.760 - february is that right we had a lot of people who proposed six months six months yeah projects are 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:43.200 - for everything okay so so the proposal is 50 here anybody against that which is pretty much what 01:31:43.200 --> 01:31:44.080 - what 01:31:44.080 --> 01:32:01.200 - we said so nine thousand six hundred fifty percent yeah indeed that work for now yes 01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:16.000 - okay hendrix county um you know yeah you rank them the lowest one of your lowest scores 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:23.680 - because otherwise they would have been very high across sort of across us all 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:35.440 - any thoughts so that's really came in with the scoring versus what's the actuality of what the 01:32:35.440 --> 01:32:42.160 - impact would be um and i see if i've felt disconnected in some way when i'm reading 01:32:42.160 --> 01:32:52.240 - but there's some questions on there that maybe um because i'm new fairly new i'm not um the 01:32:52.240 --> 01:32:58.000 - question i'm asking about um location project location one or family versus 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:04.480 - loomington oh they told they told us at the interviews that they're loomington 01:33:04.480 --> 01:33:13.280 - i'm just wondering if we if there's room for 01:33:13.280 --> 01:33:20.880 - but either way you said you think there'd be high high rank but um we were very close here what 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:21.040 - they 01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:26.590 - asked for to what we're averaging so yeah i kind of feel like we should just fully fund them 01:33:26.590 --> 01:33:26.640 - because 01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:30.240 - i really liked how she talked about funding too and she was like we have our main priorities 01:33:30.240 --> 01:33:36.960 - like service priorities covered but this is a need that we identified well actually i think 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:47.520 - that was one of the ones that i it's the specific thing from what they were asked and funding for 01:33:48.160 --> 01:33:55.840 - was that the one that was asking for furniture for yeah i picked area to fund 01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:02.960 - when i was considering that one and it was more so too 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:11.600 - would anybody be opposed to us fully funding as has been suggested interview rooms 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:19.360 - you didn't fund interview rooms i funded into oh i got okay got it as opposed to waiting room and 01:34:19.360 --> 01:34:25.840 - other i see that was my explanation yeah that makes sense okay because there was prices based on 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:32.000 - places that they wanted funding and i thought that the interview rooms were 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:39.120 - more necessary in terms of upgrades and comfort for children's being interviewed and i kind of 01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:44.800 - saw the other ones like the waiting room and so on as the less priority they'll be spending more 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:50.960 - time to be interviewed right on them yeah i need to be more that makes sense but they said that 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:56.720 - their number one priority was waiting room one then number two is interview room one two one 01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:02.720 - and then interview room two i felt like the argument that she made where she was like you 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:07.760 - know when you go eat at a restaurant the food's good but it's kind of a bad environment so it 01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:12.880 - changes your experience like i thought you know kids are already in scary situations and the 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:20.800 - waiting room being kind of scary would be getting them kids experienced trauma yeah so i was that 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:27.120 - this was one i could fully fund once especially after hearing more about the work that they did 01:35:27.120 --> 01:35:36.720 - yeah and the relative need um i think it's a huge difference so i think i would advocate fully 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:45.440 - funding do we oppose to that no no no i had a 3500 and i just gave a number outside yeah 01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:52.080 - we go up to the full funding is not the same i'm just you're okay relative to other organizations 01:35:52.080 --> 01:35:59.600 - that we do have to fund we have to prioritize sure needs within the organization and we can 01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:04.640 - come back to them too because i mean if i think the natural place and natural i'm using that word 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:13.680 - to to loosely i'm sorry um the possible place to cut would be at priority four and not funding the 01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:19.040 - laptop or the monitoring cable which they said were there there will be supported priorities 01:36:19.040 --> 01:36:29.520 - that would add on 500 to 500 roughly and 70 dollars so if we if we return to it 01:36:30.480 --> 01:36:35.200 - but let's come back to it i'll highlight them we'll come back to it okay my sister's closet 01:36:35.200 --> 01:36:43.600 - and amethyst house is next i ranked them high with full funding because there's really 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:49.280 - the technology piece feels really important and then um 01:36:49.280 --> 01:36:56.800 - yeah that's sad you see last year we didn't fund my sister's closet 01:36:59.040 --> 01:37:03.040 - i rank them high also when i gave them about 75 percent i have very high 01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:16.080 - so you guys basically fund enough for that great guy in terms of fully person thresholds 01:37:16.080 --> 01:37:25.120 - listen that again um you rated your um high adverse for your ones that are high 01:37:25.120 --> 01:37:34.080 - free stones funding uh our show i only i only did full funding like i said earlier i said i left 01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:41.520 - some money on the table and i funded all projects that i felt ranked very high on my rubric and it 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:49.680 - made sense um just trying to be impartial and i was going to listen in and hear what how other 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:55.760 - people thought about other organizations that might have been at the high level for me um but 01:37:55.760 --> 01:38:03.280 - didn't get over that hump so i i did not do any partial funding i mostly did it almost partially 01:38:03.280 --> 01:38:23.520 - funding so i i'm not opposed to funding near the whole thing let's look at the sabbatical where 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:31.520 - i mean the bulk of their ask is fifteen thousand five hundred for the salary assistance for the 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:36.480 - client service coordinator that's a thousand hours of 1550 an hour so anything we reduce there 01:38:36.480 --> 01:38:36.720 - would 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:53.920 - just reduce hours of service okay so i recommend fully funding but i feel like 01:38:53.920 --> 01:39:00.400 - i'm not i mean i'm not opposed there's no other proposals we can 01:39:00.400 --> 01:39:02.000 - put in full funding i agree 01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:10.240 - okay amethyst house is next 01:39:10.240 --> 01:39:17.200 - i've funded the tree removal 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:31.600 - yeah i give them what does that what does that put it where tree removal actually oh i actually 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:39.280 - recommended around 10 000 but that was just because i put some leftover funds that direction 01:39:39.280 --> 01:39:53.680 - yeah i only recommend 60 yeah no proposal someone else i read it fully funding it because 01:39:53.680 --> 01:40:00.880 - you know they've been around for a while they've done a lot of stuff for people going through 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:10.000 - substance use i you know and kind of the same argument when we talked about um cc's place on 01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:16.080 - having a place where it can get healthy and i just felt like hey you know we we have to 01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:22.720 - we have to invest in these places so that way people can feel safe and get healthy but 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:27.840 - i'm fine with partial funding especially if you know and lose money around because these are all 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:36.720 - well so so they so they have um the women's restoration men's restoration tree removal 01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:40.400 - and they have funded everything by the tree that was the part that was hard because when he talked 01:40:40.400 --> 01:40:45.360 - to us he said the tree removal was the more urgent yes but then it's like third on the priorities 01:40:45.360 --> 01:40:54.320 - yeah yeah exactly um tree almost fell on my house it fell in my yard missed our roof and our solar 01:40:54.320 --> 01:41:02.640 - panels by just inches so i i can tell you that well so i mean how about funding it i feel like 01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:11.200 - that your mom for the tree was something that can be fundraised or something you know i'd say we go 01:41:11.200 --> 01:41:16.560 - with with funding priority one and two that i mean if they then want to say that the tree was more 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:23.600 - important than they wrote it wrong so to them but i don't i don't think we should be fully funding 01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:31.200 - them at this at this or at this stage yeah and they can i mean they they because we're providing 01:41:31.200 --> 01:41:36.400 - the amount of money for the first two doesn't mean they can't say tree is actually the priority of 01:41:36.400 --> 01:41:41.120 - the money toward the trees we don't need to say what i mean though we use this as sort of helping 01:41:41.120 --> 01:41:49.360 - us to pay it yes but they're not obligated they're out to do so that's 18 450 18 4 we do 01:41:52.000 --> 01:42:02.000 - yeah that's the exact amount i had 18 it's not seven 17 18 should be 17 59 18 01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:12.480 - what did you do between 20 000 minus 2975 or did you do 11 000 plus 6000 01:42:12.480 --> 01:42:19.920 - i'm just like how is that 18 that's the same number i got 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:35.440 - but i think it was just a tree that bad in my head 11 11 020 plus 16 is 17 50 01:42:35.440 --> 01:42:45.280 - 11 720 plus 67 30 no it's not 67 30 it's 60 30 oh i'm looking at their budget it's a 67 01:42:45.280 --> 01:42:50.480 - yeah my sister okay so their priorities how about the regular priorities and what the regular 01:42:50.480 --> 01:42:59.040 - budget is different but an amount so i just took 20 025 and minus 3575 for the tree rule 01:42:59.040 --> 01:43:04.640 - yeah i'll see on there okay on their priorities they have that is 2975 uh so it's supposed to be 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:12.960 - 3975 yeah i went from the budget yeah we didn't sorry i didn't i did not i did not know this when 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:17.920 - you're reviewing it and instead of we this is something we should have asked when we're talking 01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:24.880 - to them but um okay so so we're going off of actual budget figures not what they've ranked 01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:31.040 - in the priorities well regardless we still say funding restorations and not free removal and 01:43:31.040 --> 01:43:36.720 - whatever that wait no i still see i see the same number on i'm i'm i don't know what number you 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:40.960 - get i'm going to the full application yeah look at page it's the summer okay you're looking at 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:51.440 - summary the summary is wrong yeah yeah so it is okay okay yes okay i was i was so like i'm like 01:43:51.440 --> 01:43:57.040 - what is wrong with me yeah did i read this wrong yeah the summary is wrong it is so the the number 01:43:57.040 --> 01:44:13.440 - is 17 oh 17 oh five oh okay next one restore habitat for humanity we did not fund very high 01:44:13.440 --> 01:44:17.920 - but this is this is in part because i i put zero funding on there only because it was by the time 01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:22.480 - they pulled by the time sam pulled all these together we hadn't had the answer yet so i just 01:44:22.480 --> 01:44:28.400 - like that point um but i didn't rank them so they're high highly ranked um 01:44:28.400 --> 01:44:40.320 - i gave 30 000 this was one of the highest that i ranked and afforded yeah if i were to let me go 01:44:40.320 --> 01:44:47.840 - and do it if i would have done it the way i did it so uh yeah yeah yeah yeah excuse me 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:57.200 - me 01:44:57.200 --> 01:45:11.200 - which one's the same sorry uh there's shared one yes yeah um 01:45:11.200 --> 01:45:16.160 - it's not really shared right i would have given them 90 percent 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:23.760 - so so yeah i mean i recommend a full but i'm not supposed to 01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:30.320 - and just be clear the trucks not a picture of anything anymore that's correct 01:45:30.320 --> 01:45:42.720 - this is the appointment so we have a proposal of 30 000 01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:50.000 - 30 000 one month but twice sure and yeah anyone opposed to picking them at 30 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:58.000 - no okay we are 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:06.960 - central okay we're gonna have to fix that in a second all right um okay the central 01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:16.320 - i gave them i only gave two groups bonus points this was one of them um which one they are 01:46:16.320 --> 01:46:25.680 - sent through i think those are one of them that i specific i gave a specific amount for specific 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:31.920 - things as well because i feel like that was more of an impact the books and printer 01:46:33.040 --> 01:46:42.640 - there's the books you can copy and make copies to distribute and reuse and i feel like the books 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:50.320 - and the copy it was more of a necessity for them but they're trying to move forward rather than 01:46:50.320 --> 01:46:57.520 - other things that in this thing so you funded 3750 yes i think that's uh that makes sense and 01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:03.840 - not fund the printer yeah no i mean the printer was included the books and printer oh but they 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:10.000 - said priority one was books priority two was educational materials and the printer was priority 01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:20.640 - three well my my amount was well this was in south tropics was two thousand three thousand 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:26.080 - okay yeah so you did so yeah that's what i did too i did three thousand 01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:37.120 - i i don't i don't i i would i don't know if i like not funding one of their priorities while saying 01:47:37.120 --> 01:47:43.360 - that we like their higher priority while saying that we rank them too highly i just think that 01:47:43.360 --> 01:47:47.440 - they're kind of like where we're seeing the priority differently from right there because 01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:57.280 - you know like um what can you say importance importance and you know for books yes printer 01:47:57.280 --> 01:48:04.320 - yes that's something that's good you can reproduce the books with the printer are we i mean so we 01:48:04.320 --> 01:48:09.840 - should choose their priority over yes we see as the priority yes i think so because because the 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:14.240 - whole idea is that these is that the service providers understand the people that they're 01:48:14.240 --> 01:48:19.200 - serving better than we do i mean if we're not going to take them at their word it's we're like 01:48:19.200 --> 01:48:25.520 - wow we think we think that you know the way you should do this is okay but handing out what's the 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:33.680 - difference in a funding a population that is currently super vulnerable culturally and education 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:40.400 - like education and as a culture being attacked by the administration that at the very least if 01:48:40.400 --> 01:48:45.760 - we're not going to use an inflammatory word like attack or maybe defund it and so i feel like it 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:52.240 - makes more sense for us to give as much funding as we can even it's a fairly small ask to um 01:48:52.240 --> 01:48:58.080 - support the work that they're doing in a population that could be a forgotten population based on 01:48:58.080 --> 01:49:08.080 - current administrative priorities and also that was innovative way that they wanted to do it 01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:17.200 - you know and it's a low-cost volunteer um and i i don't i don't see why we wouldn't put the whole 01:49:17.200 --> 01:49:25.360 - thing in i can be convinced of you're convinced for full funding i'm okay with it i just don't 01:49:25.360 --> 01:49:32.880 - think they have much time fundraised if the same people are administering and organizing i i mean 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:40.560 - the lead volunteer is a teacher himself yeah exactly like yeah i mean is there something that 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:49.760 - would i mean so so cam and eddie both ranked and they've ranked very this very highly 01:49:49.760 --> 01:50:00.400 - they relative to themselves um well i i i ranked it high at four which isn't so high relative but 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:10.000 - 3500 is what i thought would you know suffice but then the total request is 4000 right so everybody 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:16.080 - reading the same numbers yes on the sheet it says 3500 so yeah i think the minute that the real 01:50:16.080 --> 01:50:22.800 - request was 4000 yeah and i don't want to nickel and dime something that is so that it's a pilot 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:28.320 - project it's operational but it's pilot could have real impact it's a vulnerable population 01:50:30.160 --> 01:50:38.880 - and i actually i actually think i think i on column k going i'm going back over this i could 01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:45.600 - i i said in my initial review that this was uh indirect um effect i actually think it's a direct 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:54.560 - one which would change my score to 4.5 or 3.5 so i would not be opposed to fully funding 01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:04.470 - the question though as as relates to the rubric um should we as we're we should probably be 01:51:04.470 --> 01:51:05.120 - changing 01:51:05.120 --> 01:51:14.320 - i mean as we're openly discussing it like i i mean should we be viewing this the draft this draft 01:51:14.320 --> 01:51:21.040 - because it will be publicly available so should we probably need to be going in and making set 01:51:21.040 --> 01:51:27.200 - adjustments and comments right i feel like the rubric really has identified the order that we're 01:51:27.200 --> 01:51:32.400 - having a conversation yeah yeah i think it's certain to purpose and i think we need to 01:51:32.400 --> 01:51:40.880 - make it all match now um i think the discussion is convincing me to prioritize things that i do 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:48.880 - necessarily but then so people go give us feedback and we go here's the rubric now i'm confused on 01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:55.920 - this one for example just looking at my answers right so they got a point project location 01:51:55.920 --> 01:52:03.120 - bloomington right that's great emergency services it's not got a red right residents served 20 to 01:52:03.120 --> 01:52:08.320 - 50 okay that's yellow cameron argued that it is emergency service i assume based on what you're 01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:13.120 - saying earlier i just think because it's not a population that's captured right every places 01:52:13.120 --> 01:52:19.600 - that i fall by as an emergency service just because the context of the time right yeah yeah 01:52:20.480 --> 01:52:25.920 - yeah that's where the last information i gave them agree and i said yes directly number of full-time 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:32.320 - staff that you can't really that's not open for debate you know and then community partnerships 01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:38.880 - no so like but yes because they're working they're working with casa yeah there's a library 01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:50.160 - yeah see then i think i think i had i think i needed clarification yeah about 01:52:50.160 --> 01:52:57.520 - what community projects partnerships meant because i really just have yes yeah there were a lot 01:52:57.520 --> 01:52:57.680 - that 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:05.840 - i put on yes yes but so i think that wouldn't yeah so yeah yeah so i think i messed up on 01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:11.680 - my rubrics with the community partnerships question not only so okay so so that settles 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.280 - the question of whether we're going to go back and change our rubrics at this point but we should 01:53:15.280 --> 01:53:19.600 - so it's the answer now whether we're thinking back through it just to you know double check our 01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:19.840 - sense 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:24.960 - but so we're happy to fully fund yeah sure i mean that's not arguing that which is actually four 01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:36.560 - thousand yes and that's similar for yes for grants okay what's the tally on the total for 01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:43.920 - you actually that i need to agree although you saw when you look at the amount requested it says 35 01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:48.880 - yeah but all the actual application is four thousand so i don't know where this number came 01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:56.640 - from okay um i just see maybe just maybe just clerical error i think that must be 01:53:56.640 --> 01:54:07.200 - and then i know is this populating from somewhere now yeah this has just risen down so i will 01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:13.920 - make sure i change that appropriately uh where are we total money okay 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:25.360 - we're at 324,000 okay tandem is next 01:54:32.320 --> 01:54:39.440 - so uh within their their average uh four point can you see it out there 01:54:39.440 --> 01:54:43.360 - i see it yeah i mean it's making it down that 01:54:43.360 --> 01:54:49.840 - um if we're going to 01:54:52.560 --> 01:55:05.680 - fund one priority the top one was 3750 and their second was 2145 uh no i did all 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:10.080 - no it's so full funding 01:55:10.080 --> 01:55:19.840 - i think we're super close to recommending full funding based on our average okay so stay at full 01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:30.560 - funding yeah any opposition other than and i'll soon i'll highlight them and say that 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:35.920 - we can ask andy in case we come back to okay uh plan parenthood 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:44.480 - yeah i randomize all time you can't full fund everyone guys 01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:53.520 - yeah well i mean i mean yeah it's true but then but now we're in the situation where we didn't 01:55:53.520 --> 01:56:01.040 - fully fund people who got higher scores i gave them 5000 again just because i did fully fund most 01:56:01.040 --> 01:56:06.560 - requests i think but like you said i feel like we're holistically looking at things like through 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:11.680 - the conversation to kind of yes yes yes so it doesn't have to be yes all always full fund i 01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:21.600 - guess yes yes the looking at priorities 01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:29.600 - oh my gosh it's hard to find the word plan should have looked for another word um 01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:42.480 - here we go looking at priorities uh they priority one is 5000 priority two is 1000 01:56:42.480 --> 01:56:49.840 - and then priority three is 750 and then priority four and five are 500 and 250 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:59.520 - it's just again it's hard because it's like women's health and sexual reproductive health are being 01:57:00.400 --> 01:57:04.720 - there yeah he funded across the board so it feels like context 01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:11.200 - i'm gonna get full funding for him yeah my problem is i can't have our new context on almost all of 01:57:11.200 --> 01:57:20.000 - them and i'm not saying yeah i want to give that's that was why i did fully fund most because i was 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:25.120 - like we need to give as many if you feel help as we can so that's where i'm okay so you want to 01:57:25.120 --> 01:57:32.080 - pay them a full fund and then come back to them if you get to yeah yeah this was this was a 01:57:32.080 --> 01:57:38.000 - particularly compelling match right okay indiana recovery alliance 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:48.320 - i would say that they've made a very strong argument time and time again on the return of 01:57:48.320 --> 01:57:55.040 - investor of the money that we've given them and so one friend i had here i don't think there was 01:57:55.040 --> 01:57:55.280 - any 01:57:55.280 --> 01:58:01.040 - if i'm not mistaken don't think that they broke this down in a way that 01:58:01.040 --> 01:58:06.480 - no because i think it was for the grant it was all just for the grant writer 01:58:06.480 --> 01:58:09.920 - i gave them 75 ish percent 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:16.400 - although i strongly support 01:58:16.400 --> 01:58:24.560 - what they do i think i think i confused courage to change it 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:35.600 - so they want a grant writer the grant manager i mean the the argument in terms of return of 01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:40.880 - investment of taxpayer funds is that if they get a grant writer that the likelihood they're able to 01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:50.240 - get more funding is is higher in less impact on the network here and and they have they have 01:58:50.240 --> 01:58:55.280 - told us throughout they they you know it's show last year the person they asked for funding for 01:58:55.280 --> 01:58:59.040 - the person they were able to fully fund that person by the end of the year the year before that 01:58:59.040 --> 01:58:59.200 - they 01:58:59.200 --> 01:59:03.600 - did the same and so they they have a track record of doing that which you know it's not really 01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:11.760 - captured in our rubric i get bonus points for that but anyone anyone opposed to taking them 01:59:11.760 --> 01:59:16.560 - at full funding that we can come back that's good to me okay any against 01:59:16.560 --> 01:59:22.800 - um exos refugee 01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:41.760 - 75 funding that gave this was my other bonus point one similar to it being a population crisis 01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:43.200 - and emergency services 01:59:55.440 --> 02:00:03.280 - if we did 75 percent as sorry i lied yeah yeah because i gave him 1010 if we do 75 percent of 02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:13.120 - right about where you were on our average and our average is 79 let's do that yes i think we're 02:00:13.120 --> 02:00:20.480 - gonna have to have more discretion about not fully funding yeah i i recommend it so um half of that 02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:26.240 - i'd like to hear a little more about your thoughts on that yeah because i'm thinking 02:00:26.240 --> 02:00:31.040 - that it's going to be supporting them in some ways but at the same time they can't be like relying 02:00:31.040 --> 02:00:31.360 - on 02:00:31.360 --> 02:00:38.080 - this funding there must be pulling um seeking sources from other places probably as many people 02:00:38.080 --> 02:00:44.800 - as they can um but the but the issue i mean the issue with with them right now one they're they 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:53.600 - need 150 000 um and there's zero federal funds and there we're talking about funds for you know 02:00:53.600 --> 02:01:00.240 - talk about emergency is people in the community that may face all types of other issues if if not 02:01:00.240 --> 02:01:07.360 - supported yeah when i saw it as something where you're supporting them in a way um but not at the 02:01:07.360 --> 02:01:14.560 - detriment of somebody else that might be needing funding also yeah so it was either give them some 02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:23.040 - but not give them all and i came to the half yeah but what but how do like the taking it at half 02:01:23.040 --> 02:01:25.840 - i don't i'm not i mean i 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:35.760 - okay so how about okay let's um it's how about we currently because we'll we'll go back through all 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:40.640 - the people that we highlight so so let's currently we'll leave it at the 75 because it seems like 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:46.080 - there's more of us wanting 35 that we can come back and and see what the right amount is because 02:01:46.080 --> 02:01:52.480 - they to your point they didn't say you know they don't have a particular breaking point here or 02:01:52.480 --> 02:01:58.960 - they're just asking for as much money as possible at 150 000 um okay casa 02:02:06.080 --> 02:02:12.880 - i think we're 5 000 that's sort of that did you find did you write that i mean that's right at we 02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:20.960 - our collective is is 77 percent which is 4,000 and 100 and change so um let's let's see there 02:02:30.320 --> 02:02:37.600 - uh 5,400 would fund their would fund their fully fund their first priority 02:02:37.600 --> 02:02:45.680 - this was a very high one for me yeah 5,400 i know we can't fully fund everybody so 02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:53.760 - i'm fine with giving them something but um you know nationally i think casa was 02:02:53.760 --> 02:03:03.040 - defunded um but mineral county seems to be okay from what i've read so but that was before 02:03:03.040 --> 02:03:08.880 - i scored the rubric but i still scored a few high but afterwards yeah i mean we're looking at at 02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:09.600 - risk 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:14.560 - services for used again and it's volunteer on a volunteer basis like causes like 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:21.520 - so this is the more i felt really crappy doing the rubric because i didn't 02:03:23.440 --> 02:03:31.120 - uh you know the question you know sorry project location of liberal county so 02:03:31.120 --> 02:03:36.080 - they lost a little bit because of the number counted on the but it's our kids you know so yeah 02:03:36.080 --> 02:03:46.240 - all right so how about we pay them it's 5,400 keeping with the the way that we've we've been 02:03:46.240 --> 02:03:53.040 - approaching you so far and we'll come back a little higher than our average but um that we 02:03:53.040 --> 02:04:02.880 - requested for them but um okay uh cooperative living 02:04:18.480 --> 02:04:26.960 - hey isaac what is the total for exodus it looks like it's 112 000 that's almost missing there 02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:36.720 - thank you oh yeah it's because it says bad doing 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:40.080 - there we go 02:04:44.400 --> 02:04:50.080 - squat good living was one of the ones that i gave bonus points for for dps out outside the box when 02:04:50.080 --> 02:04:57.280 - it comes to housing for um for bloomington um i recommended fully funding just so that way 02:04:57.280 --> 02:05:07.200 - i'll see there but it's hard though they're there so their their overall 02:05:07.200 --> 02:05:13.760 - their overall request was 15 367 but then they broke down their priorities as the full 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:23.920 - project cost a 41 233 the the top priority was the tempstar system which is 02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:32.560 - the upstairs system sorry this is all for for those the upstairs system is 14 593 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:45.680 - so i would recommend we fund 14 593 or 13 320 so we fund one of the full systems 02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:53.440 - i'm good with it which one the lower number or the higher number you said fully fund so 02:05:53.440 --> 02:06:01.200 - yeah so i'm on the high end but i'm okay with the lower end uh that's the one 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:08.640 - okay i'll move the higher and then we'll come back okay uh stone belt 02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:25.280 - uh collaborative business yes collaborative uh i marked them high and i gave them 5 000 02:06:25.280 --> 02:06:32.400 - and 02:06:32.400 --> 02:06:46.400 - yeah 02:06:54.560 --> 02:07:02.320 - yeah i agree 5 000 well so that would be taking that would be funding everything 02:07:02.320 --> 02:07:10.560 - but um participation incentives potentially so that's that would fund their top six um their top 02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:28.720 - six um priorities okay do we need to uh do we need to take a break yes okay let's take a quick 02:07:28.720 --> 02:07:29.040 - break 02:07:29.040 --> 02:07:45.520 - then um for those five minutes okay okay we need breaks 02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:52.000 - okay 02:09:52.000 --> 02:10:18.000 - [ Pause ] 02:10:18.500 --> 02:10:24.000 - Sorry, should have brought food, you're right. 02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:27.000 - [ Laughter ] 02:10:27.500 --> 02:10:55.500 - [ Inaudible ] 02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:58.500 - There are like 13, 13 left. 02:10:58.500 --> 02:11:05.500 - [ Inaudible ] 02:11:05.500 --> 02:11:07.500 - What's the total so far? 02:11:07.500 --> 02:11:12.500 - $390,000. 02:11:12.500 --> 02:11:15.500 - We have about $100,000 left. 02:11:15.500 --> 02:11:17.500 - Based on how we've allocated it. 02:11:17.500 --> 02:11:20.500 - Did we eliminate? 02:11:20.500 --> 02:11:23.500 - Let's talk about it in a second when everybody's here. 02:11:23.500 --> 02:11:25.500 - [ Laughter ] 02:11:25.500 --> 02:11:28.500 - You know where I'm going. 02:11:28.500 --> 02:11:30.500 - I don't. 02:11:30.500 --> 02:11:44.500 - [ Laughter ] 02:11:44.500 --> 02:11:48.500 - All right, Courtney. 02:11:48.500 --> 02:11:53.500 - Come back, Courtney, come back. 02:11:53.500 --> 02:11:56.500 - We're going to spend the rest of Santa's money. 02:11:56.500 --> 02:12:01.500 - [ Laughter ] 02:12:01.500 --> 02:12:04.500 - Okay. 02:12:04.500 --> 02:12:07.500 - So we have just about 13 more to go. 02:12:07.500 --> 02:12:09.500 - And then we'll have a time of public comment. 02:12:09.500 --> 02:12:13.500 - Then we can go back to looking at each of these again. 02:12:13.500 --> 02:12:17.500 - The ones that you've highlighted. 02:12:17.500 --> 02:12:24.500 - We are on Big Brother's Big Sisters. 02:12:24.500 --> 02:12:26.500 - Oh, did I leave the room and everybody was like, let's take a break? 02:12:26.500 --> 02:12:27.500 - Yes. 02:12:27.500 --> 02:12:31.500 - Thank you. 02:12:31.500 --> 02:12:34.500 - I was making it all about me. 02:12:34.500 --> 02:12:36.500 - Okay, so Big Brother's Big Sisters. 02:12:36.500 --> 02:12:39.500 - So I only funded the personal cost for this. 02:12:39.500 --> 02:12:44.500 - Yes, I gave $17,000. 02:12:44.500 --> 02:12:55.500 - It was my distribution. 02:12:55.500 --> 02:12:58.500 - No, that sounds reasonable. 02:12:58.500 --> 02:13:00.500 - That's $17,000. 02:13:00.500 --> 02:13:03.500 - That's about the average. 02:13:03.500 --> 02:13:06.500 - Yeah, just a little above what we averaged here. 02:13:06.500 --> 02:13:14.500 - Okay. 02:13:14.500 --> 02:13:17.500 - Eddie, you can leave now again. 02:13:17.500 --> 02:13:18.500 - Or just go sit in the corner and something. 02:13:18.500 --> 02:13:23.500 - Don't say anything. 02:13:23.500 --> 02:13:28.500 - Okay. So, so scap. 02:13:28.500 --> 02:13:31.500 - So I gave a full funding, but I could be, you know, 02:13:31.500 --> 02:13:36.500 - I was only like, I had lefty blank and just it was so much, it was, it was throwing. 02:13:36.500 --> 02:13:37.500 - I gave a hundred thousand. 02:13:37.500 --> 02:13:38.500 - Did you? 02:13:38.500 --> 02:13:40.500 - Well, they're well established. 02:13:40.500 --> 02:13:43.500 - They have a history of really good work. 02:13:43.500 --> 02:13:46.500 - And they say this is essential and I had the question. 02:13:46.500 --> 02:13:47.500 - I gave them $55,000. 02:13:47.500 --> 02:13:49.500 - Oh, actually, I did give them money. 02:13:49.500 --> 02:13:55.500 - I gave them $92,701. 02:13:55.500 --> 02:13:57.500 - Well, because I told you how I did mine. 02:13:57.500 --> 02:13:59.500 - I said all of my very highs got fully funded. 02:13:59.500 --> 02:14:01.500 - My highs got 90%. 02:14:01.500 --> 02:14:04.500 - My next level guy, you know, 70% or whatever. 02:14:04.500 --> 02:14:08.500 - Yeah. 02:14:08.500 --> 02:14:12.500 - And they don't, they didn't give us any, you know. 02:14:12.500 --> 02:14:18.080 - And I wish we'd actually invited them for an interview at this point, because they didn't say what 02:14:18.080 --> 02:14:19.500 - partial funding. 02:14:19.500 --> 02:14:35.500 - Nor do you. 02:14:35.500 --> 02:14:41.500 - How did you get that number? 02:14:41.500 --> 02:14:46.500 - Multiple numbers in like, okay. 02:14:46.500 --> 02:14:56.500 - Because I had the 57. 02:14:56.500 --> 02:15:00.500 - So you were funding something particularly with that amount? 02:15:00.500 --> 02:15:03.500 - No, no, I just, I was doing percentages because I thought so. 02:15:03.500 --> 02:15:10.030 - And in terms of my first round of it, I was just taking it to, you know, just just roughly seeing, 02:15:10.030 --> 02:15:13.500 - you know, where, where things went out if I, because I mean against me. 02:15:13.500 --> 02:15:20.350 - There there's a there's a little bit of a challenge here because the so this here is the first 02:15:20.350 --> 02:15:27.680 - example where what was asked for isn't captured in our rubric like we didn't actually look at like 02:15:27.680 --> 02:15:32.500 - return on investment or like impact of, you know, dollars spent or something like that. 02:15:32.500 --> 02:15:39.240 - Like, we tried to capture that with like people sort of. Right. And but that relation isn't isn't 02:15:39.240 --> 02:15:46.740 - exactly there in the sense of, you know, some of these groups are asking for $6,000 and certain 500 02:15:46.740 --> 02:15:47.500 - people. 02:15:47.500 --> 02:16:05.110 - And, and here they're asking for $120,000. And how many people did they say they serve to serve 4,239 02:16:05.110 --> 02:16:13.500 - people. So, you know, roughly speaking. 02:16:13.500 --> 02:16:18.500 - What's the critical critical angle out of the institution. 02:16:18.500 --> 02:16:23.880 - What's the like they would have them get in funding from other sources, very high. Exactly, which 02:16:23.880 --> 02:16:27.500 - is why I came to them and have lots of cuts, right. 02:16:27.500 --> 02:16:30.500 - Right. And that's that's the thing. 02:16:30.500 --> 02:16:35.910 - Spent grants that they have to write and then they weren't asking for money to fulfill their cuts 02:16:35.910 --> 02:16:41.670 - they're asking for money for which, and now, on the other hand, there's this flip argument where I'm 02:16:41.670 --> 02:16:44.500 - like, that is what we said are the priorities of the grant, 02:16:44.500 --> 02:16:48.500 - which is like one time capital expenditures. 02:16:48.500 --> 02:16:53.500 - Right, Cameron, where are you on this. 02:16:53.500 --> 02:16:58.500 - Um, I didn't, I didn't allow any funding. 02:16:58.500 --> 02:17:10.500 - But it's just because it was so big that I really just like, I'm nothing 55192 120. 02:17:10.500 --> 02:17:14.500 - We're all over the place. 02:17:14.500 --> 02:17:20.100 - Well, well we're not we're not all over the place there's this just that the zero zero is going to 02:17:20.100 --> 02:17:22.500 - skew the average amount Jerry highly. 02:17:22.500 --> 02:17:27.500 - I guess what was your rubric right though. 02:17:27.500 --> 02:17:35.500 - Where'd you where'd you bring them for it's like, I ran to them before me. 02:17:35.500 --> 02:17:41.700 - So penalizing them for asking for a lot of money. Well, no, it was more like thinking about like, 02:17:41.700 --> 02:17:48.370 - very well established organization that probably has not probably that doesn't very well 02:17:48.370 --> 02:17:50.500 - established fundraising weighing. 02:17:50.500 --> 02:17:55.410 - I know they're going to be federal cuts but also if we're looking at physical improvements there 02:17:55.410 --> 02:17:59.500 - are usually other grant opportunities at the state level exists for that. 02:17:59.500 --> 02:18:07.220 - We are one of those which is a good argument for it but like, it was mostly just like, because 02:18:07.220 --> 02:18:12.910 - there was no partial funding option, and the budget in terms of items that are needed was not 02:18:12.910 --> 02:18:15.500 - broken down into anything specific. 02:18:15.500 --> 02:18:23.940 - I like that either. And so, but I'm also not saying that's what I believe in that like I need to 02:18:23.940 --> 02:18:27.500 - get nothing I'm just telling you that I 02:18:27.500 --> 02:18:33.500 - would we be averse to, you know, our average is about 68. 02:18:33.500 --> 02:18:39.790 - Could that work for most people. Well we're actually, yeah, we had a sports or wise. The only thing 02:18:39.790 --> 02:18:44.990 - I'm worried about with this one is that's a lot of money for a large project that has to be 02:18:44.990 --> 02:18:47.500 - completed within what six months. 02:18:47.500 --> 02:18:50.500 - And if they don't have the rest of the funding. Yeah. 02:18:50.500 --> 02:18:54.500 - I feel like they can get the rest of the funding. Yeah, like, not. 02:18:54.500 --> 02:18:59.500 - But what if they don't and so so installation and six within six months. 02:18:59.500 --> 02:19:01.500 - And we didn't we didn't interview them. 02:19:01.500 --> 02:19:13.500 - Yeah. Well, but we're giving them majority and funding and well established. You can make a plea. 02:19:13.500 --> 02:19:15.500 - Okay, on the flip side. 02:19:15.500 --> 02:19:23.430 - To that argument, if you if you, for example, fully fund, and, and then, and they don't, they're 02:19:23.430 --> 02:19:30.750 - not able to spend money that does reverse to to the general fund and we have the past years, then 02:19:30.750 --> 02:19:34.500 - said, okay, you know, we'd like that to be added. 02:19:34.500 --> 02:19:41.080 - Which this year did we did we ask if what what the leftover was from last year and they said, you 02:19:41.080 --> 02:19:42.500 - know, 02:19:42.500 --> 02:19:45.500 - I have to check on that. 02:19:45.500 --> 02:19:48.500 - We didn't ask we didn't ask. 02:19:48.500 --> 02:19:55.500 - I was like, you might two student committees, both had scout on the table. 02:19:55.500 --> 02:20:05.630 - Irrelevant irrelevant if we write them high, the funding should go hand in hand with high with a 02:20:05.630 --> 02:20:11.500 - high ranking. And I mean they're but they're not okay so let's see who rank them well. 02:20:11.500 --> 02:20:24.610 - Well so interesting I mean but Dave you rank them, you and Courtney okay so Courtney you rank them 02:20:24.610 --> 02:20:27.500 - as a three. Why, why, what they would they not score limit in, they were not emergency services. 02:20:27.500 --> 02:20:33.500 - I know. Well, okay, maybe I was a little unfair I put minimal lasting contribution. 02:20:33.500 --> 02:20:39.340 - Because, yeah, it's a lasting contribution to the building, but they serve. I mean the amount of 02:20:39.340 --> 02:20:40.500 - people that they have. 02:20:40.500 --> 02:20:48.070 - That's true. It's like, but maybe okay so maybe that's the maybe that's the rub, which is the 02:20:48.070 --> 02:20:53.930 - theory of change here, like, are we do we actually believe that, you know, a deteriorating building 02:20:53.930 --> 02:20:57.500 - hinders their ability to serve these people. 02:20:57.500 --> 02:21:04.560 - And I mean maybe that's the core question on the table here because if the answer. I mean, in your 02:21:04.560 --> 02:21:11.500 - case if the answer is yes, then it's, it's a lasting direct, you know, contribution. 02:21:11.500 --> 02:21:17.490 - And then then that would that would lead you to raise your score, which would, which would put a 02:21:17.490 --> 02:21:23.500 - higher on a list and we would have considered earlier we would have thought of near fully funding. 02:21:23.500 --> 02:21:32.500 - I disagree, or I disagree, and 02:21:32.500 --> 02:21:44.500 - together or is the or is the or effect that you might disagree, are you saying, I do. 02:21:44.500 --> 02:21:48.500 - So it's a question whether or not the phone fully or not. 02:21:48.500 --> 02:21:53.530 - I might be swayed in the opposite direction though as well as to say, I mean maybe maybe you're 02:21:53.530 --> 02:21:58.500 - right, which is, which is that actually this isn't, this isn't direct and lasting. 02:21:58.500 --> 02:22:04.040 - And in which case we all rank them too high on the rubric. My argument is this is not, and they 02:22:04.040 --> 02:22:08.500 - provide emergency services. Yes, this is not an emergency. 02:22:08.500 --> 02:22:17.960 - And I feel that we have a lot of emergencies up there. So that was why I, for the most part, didn't 02:22:17.960 --> 02:22:25.140 - fully funding anyone. Yeah, I actually read them know for the service, the emergency services as 02:22:25.140 --> 02:22:27.500 - well, but they still got high. 02:22:27.500 --> 02:22:32.500 - I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly what I did was there were two. 02:22:32.500 --> 02:22:38.500 - That I left blank. When I was allocating money. 02:22:38.500 --> 02:22:46.590 - And then I went back and I played around with numbers to try to fund those two that I left blank. 02:22:46.590 --> 02:22:54.400 - And to find them as generously as I could. I mean, I don't disagree with with you know I mean and 02:22:54.400 --> 02:23:00.500 - with Cameron I mean in the sense that, in the sense that okay, and I think that's such a strong 02:23:00.500 --> 02:23:02.500 - point which is separate. 02:23:02.500 --> 02:23:08.060 - There's what the agency does right and and the amount of people they serve. And then there's a 02:23:08.060 --> 02:23:11.500 - question of what the project they're asking to do is. 02:23:11.500 --> 02:23:17.330 - And, and now, the tension for me here is that what they're asking to do is what we say we 02:23:17.330 --> 02:23:23.920 - prioritize in addition to emergency services and what we've never discussed is whether, and we 02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:29.500 - tried to do this with the rubric is whether you know is emergency service more important 02:23:29.500 --> 02:23:36.250 - than capital investment, where it's like and and pilots and you know the type of things that we say 02:23:36.250 --> 02:23:39.500 - that that are that are crucial to this fund. 02:23:39.500 --> 02:23:47.300 - And, and, but, but I agree with you that one, it's like if they do this this year or five years in 02:23:47.300 --> 02:23:48.500 - many ways. 02:23:48.500 --> 02:23:55.040 - Well, and for a project like this too, because I think that there is a tension with capital 02:23:55.040 --> 02:24:01.950 - improvements that this is over a fifth of the funding we have available to give out, and I think 02:24:01.950 --> 02:24:05.500 - that it would be nice to see more sources of income that 02:24:05.500 --> 02:24:10.840 - that we're being leveraged into this project versus just saying we want Jack Hopkins to fund all of 02:24:10.840 --> 02:24:15.740 - this because I at the end of the day I actually really don't think it's our job to do that with 02:24:15.740 --> 02:24:17.500 - this like pool of funding. 02:24:17.500 --> 02:24:23.500 - I mean, I'm getting really convinced by this conversation. I have a modest proposal. 02:24:23.500 --> 02:24:29.500 - I don't really Chris Preston Hill refuge that I read it low. 02:24:29.500 --> 02:24:39.240 - We funded partially some back one therapy. If we were to eliminate Preston Hill and scout, then you 02:24:39.240 --> 02:24:41.500 - can probably go to everybody. 02:24:41.500 --> 02:24:46.440 - However, I will say I one thing I'd like to caution us about is I don't think I can we can penalize, 02:24:46.440 --> 02:24:51.220 - we should I don't think we should penalize them for asking for a lot right I think we need to view 02:24:51.220 --> 02:24:54.500 - it through the lens of what it is. 02:24:54.500 --> 02:24:58.980 - But that's what I'm saying like, like, I don't think that should tip us to say to say I mean, I 02:24:58.980 --> 02:25:03.310 - think the core of the conversation is what is what is what we're all saying is like, does this 02:25:03.310 --> 02:25:08.500 - investment, but you were convincing me of is the fact that maybe they could live with 02:25:08.500 --> 02:25:14.160 - it exciting for now, right, they don't need another emergency services, a lot of the things here 02:25:14.160 --> 02:25:21.110 - are services really important. Yes, which right now, which, yeah. And so that's ways me if it's, it's 02:25:21.110 --> 02:25:26.500 - really a matter of like, if we're going to fund it 55 or 60 and they don't get the rest 02:25:26.500 --> 02:25:29.500 - of the funding and then we get into this. 02:25:29.500 --> 02:25:34.500 - I mean, what's the point may as well, I think. 02:25:34.500 --> 02:25:40.510 - I also feel like if it was $128,000 is the final gap in this bigger campaign they've been doing for 02:25:40.510 --> 02:25:43.500 - their renovations, it would be more compelling. 02:25:43.500 --> 02:25:52.260 - Yeah, it doesn't say it's a renovation, it says the building is an immediate need repair, or I'm 02:25:52.260 --> 02:26:00.670 - assuming risk of much longer term impacted damage to the actual structure. And, and I'm not saying 02:26:00.670 --> 02:26:04.500 - there wasn't a need for this program to morph. 02:26:04.500 --> 02:26:10.670 - It was the fund was originally like the first year I think it just went to one agency, it actually 02:26:10.670 --> 02:26:18.690 - prohibited, giving it for any operational expenses, or anything. It was a purely capital investment 02:26:18.690 --> 02:26:24.500 - one time, one time investment. 02:26:24.500 --> 02:26:29.740 - But that is still that is still in our, that is still clearly in our priorities that then and we 02:26:29.740 --> 02:26:35.070 - talked earlier about how we wanted to, we talked about a couple of things that we that we left on 02:26:35.070 --> 02:26:36.500 - the table right. 02:26:36.500 --> 02:26:41.960 - One of them was that we wanted to do whether we wanted to incentivize like put a portion of the 02:26:41.960 --> 02:26:47.770 - extra funds for high right for the high value things we talked about that right and we just couldn't 02:26:47.770 --> 02:26:50.500 - quite figure out what that would look like. 02:26:50.500 --> 02:26:51.500 - Yeah, right. 02:26:51.500 --> 02:26:53.500 - Go ahead, go ahead. 02:26:53.500 --> 02:26:57.960 - Okay, but just going back when we had a conversation about and this house much smaller ask and the 02:26:57.960 --> 02:27:02.480 - building was specifically serving citizens, the building that we're talking about for Scott is an 02:27:02.480 --> 02:27:07.500 - agency building specifically for administrative services it's not even housing. 02:27:07.500 --> 02:27:13.230 - So housing funding and we bring them a so high, but I mean to that to that point and then we so so 02:27:13.230 --> 02:27:18.500 - the question to that that I asked earlier, can they do their services remotely. 02:27:18.500 --> 02:27:23.950 - I think, to, to an extent the answer is no, because a lot of the people who they serve need to 02:27:23.950 --> 02:27:29.830 - physically come into their building to get served some of them don't have access to internet, some 02:27:29.830 --> 02:27:34.500 - of them don't have it and so on and so forth so so so they do. 02:27:34.500 --> 02:27:39.280 - It's not just a office space that could be a we work right like they could they couldn't be 02:27:39.280 --> 02:27:44.500 - operating out of the mill just you know like with with floating desk like they need space. 02:27:44.500 --> 02:27:49.720 - No, but then to your point Andy, what I didn't see in the application and I think this goes to what 02:27:49.720 --> 02:27:54.870 - Cameron was saying earlier, I didn't see in the application a strong like our building about to 02:27:54.870 --> 02:27:57.500 - fall down or like this is an immediate need. 02:27:57.500 --> 02:28:02.950 - That was this what we use the money for. Right, so so that that to me is the tension and I think 02:28:02.950 --> 02:28:08.550 - that if, if that was described to your, I would, I would be totally swayed by what you said, if 02:28:08.550 --> 02:28:12.500 - that was the situation and I mean and keep in mind I mean, I did write them highly 02:28:12.500 --> 02:28:18.230 - I want to give them near full funding. So did, but but thinking through this, it's like, you know, 02:28:18.230 --> 02:28:23.720 - it isn't an emergency need and I think that what we're coming up with is that yes we want capital 02:28:23.720 --> 02:28:26.500 - investment but emergency means Trump that. 02:28:26.500 --> 02:28:30.890 - The one line they have that I think that they're on either side of the argument is, is it is by 02:28:30.890 --> 02:28:35.350 - reducing the need to apply agents and funds to building maintenance for agency resources can be 02:28:35.350 --> 02:28:37.500 - applied directly to client services. 02:28:37.500 --> 02:28:43.660 - I think that this can support either side of our argument but I do think it's worth noting that 02:28:43.660 --> 02:28:46.500 - that is like, but then they didn't they didn't outline what those are. 02:28:46.500 --> 02:29:03.500 - And so, so it's not, is it. I mean, okay, so we know. We know about the agency, but it's part of 02:29:03.500 --> 02:29:03.500 - the proportionate and in comparing that to the other things that we're looking at here at the 02:29:03.500 --> 02:29:03.500 - bottom of our list. 02:29:03.500 --> 02:29:10.460 - I just also personally feel like it's not it's concerning me with timing as well whenever the 02:29:10.460 --> 02:29:15.500 - expenses are not unless I miss them or just not throw them down. 02:29:15.500 --> 02:29:19.500 - Yeah, more specifics. 02:29:19.500 --> 02:29:26.560 - This specific quote either. I think if we wade into this very, it's not an actual emergency 02:29:26.560 --> 02:29:32.500 - services investment works. This is so slow because like amethyst house. 02:29:32.500 --> 02:29:38.700 - And the painting and the interior restoration and furniture I mean lots of things that we are these 02:29:38.700 --> 02:29:44.500 - other applications aren't emergency services they're just investments in the space. 02:29:44.500 --> 02:29:50.700 - Fair and that's why I marked amethyst house low, as hard as that was for me, because I really 02:29:50.700 --> 02:29:57.990 - support what they do. But I did mark, you know, like the, the furniture in the waiting room and the 02:29:57.990 --> 02:30:00.500 - interrogation rooms not exam. 02:30:00.500 --> 02:30:12.220 - Hi, because I was much closer to the emergency. So you're right. It is a tough line to where does 02:30:12.220 --> 02:30:19.080 - it become an emergency. So I feel like that's a really good thing to delve into deeper to for next 02:30:19.080 --> 02:30:21.500 - year because I think that yes. 02:30:21.500 --> 02:30:26.990 - We, we said we prioritize capital improvements, but I think that it can be a capital improvement 02:30:26.990 --> 02:30:32.160 - that is also an emergency service and it need but how can they tell that story better because I 02:30:32.160 --> 02:30:36.500 - think that's what's making it hard is like okay. 02:30:36.500 --> 02:30:44.350 - So with beacon, and the medical services, you know, we didn't even have questions about that. And 02:30:44.350 --> 02:30:52.370 - that's like the technical capital and business space you know adding on to the space, but it's just 02:30:52.370 --> 02:30:52.500 - like science. 02:30:52.500 --> 02:30:53.500 - It's. 02:30:53.500 --> 02:30:59.820 - Yeah, it's it will it's hard to because we just have associations with oh I'm citing my house right 02:30:59.820 --> 02:31:05.500 - and that's not fair that we're bringing in some associations from like, you know, 02:31:05.500 --> 02:31:10.500 - I mean I'm not, I'm not going to die on this hill. 02:31:10.500 --> 02:31:19.500 - Well, this is I mean, I mean, yeah, no one should ever downhills but the, but it's like the 02:31:19.500 --> 02:31:26.500 - way to me it seems like our decision on this is kind of president said, a little bit like that and 02:31:26.500 --> 02:31:33.500 - then you are making a super court decision is a big ask on a capital prudent. 02:31:33.500 --> 02:31:35.500 - It's a big hill. 02:31:35.500 --> 02:31:46.800 - Well it's it's also I mean this this is a, at this point, you know, going back to, you know, all of 02:31:46.800 --> 02:31:53.500 - the other going going basically we find this at any level close to what we're suggesting that's it, 02:31:53.500 --> 02:31:53.500 - we're done. 02:31:53.500 --> 02:31:58.500 - Yeah. 02:31:58.500 --> 02:32:09.500 - But on the other hand, this is everything below this is low scoring. I mean so 02:32:09.500 --> 02:32:15.500 - what if 02:32:15.500 --> 02:32:21.700 - doesn't work. All right. What was your suggestion. Well I was going to say, like I had said when I 02:32:21.700 --> 02:32:27.500 - was doing my personal rubric anything that scored below a media. 02:32:27.500 --> 02:32:35.420 - Just funded, so I can say what if we go through and see what that knocks out and then fund all the 02:32:35.420 --> 02:32:38.500 - others and see what we come back to with. 02:32:38.500 --> 02:32:45.010 - Well, then we have left but then so so so even if you look at. So if you look at our average. What's 02:32:45.010 --> 02:32:49.500 - left over. Okay, just on our average suggested amounts. 02:32:49.500 --> 02:32:59.500 - We're talking about $208,000. We are currently at 411. 02:32:59.500 --> 02:33:07.500 - So we have about 90,000 left. 02:33:07.500 --> 02:33:23.500 - So again we could fund all the other agencies on the pretty close to the average. 02:33:23.500 --> 02:33:33.750 - Otherwise, you're right. I mean, if we if we were to give 60,000 to a scout and say, well, 02:33:33.750 --> 02:33:37.500 - hopefully you can find the other half. 02:33:37.500 --> 02:33:53.760 - To complete the project within six months. I mean, there's nothing if we we could we can still we 02:33:53.760 --> 02:33:54.220 - you know this whatever we decide today is not final we have the, we actually have the meeting where 02:33:54.220 --> 02:33:55.500 - we make this final right so. 02:33:55.500 --> 02:34:01.720 - You know, we could schedule a, because we're realizing that like I have a lot of questions now that 02:34:01.720 --> 02:34:07.500 - I that I didn't get answered right like about what would they do a $67,000. 02:34:07.500 --> 02:34:12.500 - So we could invite them to do something we could maybe we should do that. 02:34:12.500 --> 02:34:20.370 - I'd like to see because he's in these, you know, point well taken good capital investment agency 02:34:20.370 --> 02:34:27.500 - that serves a lot of people, but isn't an immediate Neil, like to know is an emergency. 02:34:27.500 --> 02:34:37.580 - You know, just out of curiosity, what's the precedent for that and calling people back in after the 02:34:37.580 --> 02:34:47.060 - presentation as it hasn't been done but we I mean the way that we use interviews this year is that 02:34:47.060 --> 02:34:50.500 - we only brought people we had questions for. 02:34:50.500 --> 02:34:56.500 - I mean, and so, you know, I mean it's it's our own. 02:34:56.500 --> 02:35:01.500 - It's our own failure right but we didn't notice these questions until talking through it. 02:35:01.500 --> 02:35:06.500 - So I don't know if we should disadvantage someone for that. 02:35:06.500 --> 02:35:13.500 - I mean, but but then we, I mean, I'm still on the fence on I think both of these arguments way. 02:35:13.500 --> 02:35:18.500 - You know I find merit in both of them. 02:35:18.500 --> 02:35:24.500 - Is there anyone else we want to invite other remaining agencies. 02:35:24.500 --> 02:35:35.070 - So far we haven't had there's no more of the ones above there was nothing you know contested so far 02:35:35.070 --> 02:35:36.500 - for us right. 02:35:36.500 --> 02:35:52.160 - When it comes back I'd like to ask about the. I don't think Preston Hill. Okay. Okay. Because, you 02:35:52.160 --> 02:35:54.500 - know, I mean, if I were Santa, and I had a million dollars in this budget, I would. 02:35:54.500 --> 02:36:03.280 - I think it would be wonderful. But, you know, we have whatever $970,000 okay let's let's let's do 02:36:03.280 --> 02:36:08.500 - this then I mean but, you know, keep in mind that this is the last one is ranked as a four. 02:36:08.500 --> 02:36:13.500 - And, you know, as we look through how we ranked it. 02:36:13.500 --> 02:36:18.500 - You know, 02:36:18.500 --> 02:36:24.500 - it feels like I think I'm, I, I could be persuaded to lower my score, based on based on the 02:36:24.500 --> 02:36:30.580 - discussion I think that Courtney could be persuaded to raise her score so so it's so it might 02:36:30.580 --> 02:36:35.500 - change sort of where this ends up fitting relatively to others. 02:36:35.500 --> 02:36:39.550 - I still feel like we have all the information we need, because if I knew that they could move 02:36:39.550 --> 02:36:43.500 - forward to partial funding and the a lot of time I could probably change my opinion on it. 02:36:43.500 --> 02:36:47.500 - Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at. 02:36:47.500 --> 02:36:51.500 - Go that way. 02:36:51.500 --> 02:36:52.500 - Okay. 02:36:52.500 --> 02:37:01.500 - So, okay so then so then, may I suggest that what we do is. 02:37:01.500 --> 02:37:07.850 - Well, in a second we'll call it back in. We can, we can talk through the others to see if we if we 02:37:07.850 --> 02:37:11.500 - still have any further questions for any of the others. 02:37:11.500 --> 02:37:18.010 - And then, and then perhaps send it back out and we discuss and then if that's what we really want 02:37:18.010 --> 02:37:24.680 - to do is is have another interview can look at see when we're available and ask them for that now, 02:37:24.680 --> 02:37:27.500 - there's some challenge with this. 02:37:27.500 --> 02:37:31.500 - One is that 02:37:31.500 --> 02:37:35.500 - we have to do a lot of coordination, but I think that's the, that's a minor point. 02:37:35.500 --> 02:37:42.780 - The big point to me, twofold. One is in the application we told them when the interviews were going 02:37:42.780 --> 02:37:49.340 - to be. So this is us holding an interview outside of the time that that we said they would be so 02:37:49.340 --> 02:37:51.500 - they may not be available. 02:37:51.500 --> 02:37:58.230 - We can just offer a written, you know, ask questions in a written form. Okay, just, you know, we 02:37:58.230 --> 02:38:01.500 - don't necessarily have them on. 02:38:01.500 --> 02:38:05.500 - That's pretty smart. Yeah, because our question is pretty straightforward. 02:38:05.500 --> 02:38:11.700 - I mean, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, so are we okay with that we call Eddie back, talk about the 02:38:11.700 --> 02:38:16.500 - others and then we can ask them to leave and we can sync our calendars for everyone. 02:38:16.500 --> 02:38:22.070 - No, we don't need to sync our calendars. We said, so we'll format the question. So let's format the 02:38:22.070 --> 02:38:23.500 - question now then. 02:38:23.500 --> 02:38:29.950 - So, what is the, what is the question that we'd like to. Well, there are two questions I think one 02:38:29.950 --> 02:38:32.500 - is, in terms of an immediate need. 02:38:32.500 --> 02:38:36.500 - Could you elaborate on the immediate need. 02:38:36.500 --> 02:38:41.900 - Could you break down that maybe if there are three questions could you break down the hundred 23,000 02:38:41.900 --> 02:38:43.500 - or whatever they're asking. 02:38:43.500 --> 02:38:53.320 - I just found that is in the proposal there was a full, but it's, it's in sort of contractor fashion 02:38:53.320 --> 02:38:56.500 - and sort of says, all these things. 02:38:56.500 --> 02:38:58.500 - Okay, scrap that. 02:38:58.500 --> 02:39:06.200 - And we're back to Cameron's question, you know, quick, you know, funding a partial funding. Yeah, 02:39:06.200 --> 02:39:12.500 - so so I think it telling us how immediate, what is the probability that this would 02:39:12.500 --> 02:39:22.500 - be utilized to leverage more of the total cost is it is it is it somewhat of a. 02:39:22.500 --> 02:39:24.500 - No, I mean, okay. 02:39:24.500 --> 02:39:25.500 - Yeah. 02:39:25.500 --> 02:39:31.510 - So, so expressing, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, you know, well, I mean, I just want to 02:39:31.510 --> 02:39:34.500 - know if they can still move forward with personal funding. 02:39:34.500 --> 02:39:39.900 - Within the six within the six months time period within that time period. Well, and to them, like, 02:39:39.900 --> 02:39:45.500 - what happened can they with full funding can they were full funding to the project and signals. 02:39:45.500 --> 02:39:49.500 - Yeah. 02:39:49.500 --> 02:39:56.500 - It's like the building integrity is at risk in after six months or something I mean, you know, in a 02:39:56.500 --> 02:39:56.500 - significant way. 02:39:56.500 --> 02:40:00.500 - Again, yeah. 02:40:00.500 --> 02:40:09.440 - With full funding or partial funding would they be able to move forward with the project within the 02:40:09.440 --> 02:40:11.500 - time period of the grant. 02:40:11.500 --> 02:40:16.590 - But I think that also kind of speaks to like getting their priorities spelled out for partial 02:40:16.590 --> 02:40:17.500 - funding to. 02:40:17.500 --> 02:40:27.500 - I think that's a very important question moving forward to make sure that's established within the 02:40:27.500 --> 02:40:27.500 - criteria itself. 02:40:27.500 --> 02:40:35.500 - It will partial or full funding to facilitate completed up whatever they want. 02:40:35.500 --> 02:40:40.500 - They're asking for to be done within the time frame. 02:40:40.500 --> 02:40:46.010 - I don't think that's question was that wasn't a question that was pretty good, but that seems to be 02:40:46.010 --> 02:40:47.500 - a very significant. 02:40:47.500 --> 02:40:53.500 - Every, every. 02:40:53.500 --> 02:40:59.500 - Everybody comes back where it was not really comes down. 02:40:59.500 --> 02:41:08.500 - And then that just makes it really bad because there's things that wasn't funded in that time. 02:41:08.500 --> 02:41:13.180 - Well, also, by the way, this will give us a chance to ask the question of if there's any remaining 02:41:13.180 --> 02:41:18.500 - funds from last year to because if this happened last year because then that that also help us and 02:41:18.500 --> 02:41:22.500 - evaluate it because I think we feel quite comfortable with. 02:41:22.500 --> 02:41:29.810 - With lines, where are we at, you know, sort of lunch 28 and above I think we're fairly comfortable 02:41:29.810 --> 02:41:37.230 - there with some some that we can revisit just to see you know, within $1,000 or something like that 02:41:37.230 --> 02:41:38.500 - but you know. 02:41:38.500 --> 02:41:44.380 - But I think that would help us you know if there's an additional $17,000 or something like that I 02:41:44.380 --> 02:41:46.500 - think last year we had an additional. 02:41:46.500 --> 02:41:55.500 - Was it like 10 right we went 10 over. Yeah. 02:41:55.500 --> 02:42:02.490 - Okay. Okay, so we're are we happy with those questions there are you happy to send those Lisa. Yes. 02:42:02.490 --> 02:42:08.500 - Yeah, thank you. Okay, let's call it back then. 02:42:08.500 --> 02:42:17.500 - Let's come around. 02:42:17.500 --> 02:42:19.500 - Okay. 02:42:19.500 --> 02:42:25.500 - Lantern support services. 02:42:25.500 --> 02:42:36.160 - They provided two options and there was a huge difference between the two but I recommended the 02:42:36.160 --> 02:42:36.500 - reduced 02:42:36.500 --> 02:42:39.500 - option they provided. 02:42:39.500 --> 02:42:45.500 - What was that number 16 560. 02:42:45.500 --> 02:42:53.500 - I recommended 50%. That's what I did. Yeah. 02:42:53.500 --> 02:43:08.500 - It's 30% but I'm fine with smaller number. 02:43:08.500 --> 02:43:12.500 - He said 9200. 02:43:12.500 --> 02:43:19.500 - And then just noting that all these folks now are all under force. 02:43:19.500 --> 02:43:23.500 - And then a rubric say is that low or medium. 02:43:23.500 --> 02:43:35.500 - If there are three minutes there should be medium. 02:43:35.500 --> 02:43:50.500 - Medium low is 2.5 so anything under 2.5 is a little low. 02:43:50.500 --> 02:43:57.590 - Just noticing actually that we actually didn't have a week missed a whole number of which is three, 02:43:57.590 --> 02:44:04.500 - threes and three point five so mediums but three point five and above, we didn't say what it is. 02:44:04.500 --> 02:44:11.500 - Under force, anyways. 02:44:11.500 --> 02:44:16.500 - Okay, sorry, sorry, let's not lose steam we got this guys. 02:44:16.500 --> 02:44:19.500 - So, 02:44:19.500 --> 02:44:26.500 - what was the suggestion sorry I'm finding half I think is half was what some people so members. 02:44:26.500 --> 02:44:33.500 - And then, and he thought, full, but what did they say they can do with that. 02:44:33.500 --> 02:44:39.500 - With half because it looks to me like they said. 02:44:39.500 --> 02:44:47.160 - So, it looks like they're choosing between funding a pay family coordinator with a master's in 02:44:47.160 --> 02:44:54.770 - social worker and equivalent degree already or paying one that has an MSW in progress, and this 02:44:54.770 --> 02:45:07.500 - smaller number 16 by 60 is the one in progress, 20,400 is for the one that degree already. 02:45:07.500 --> 02:45:14.650 - The way the synopsis reads. It seems like they could do as much of those things, support group 02:45:14.650 --> 02:45:18.500 - therapy meals mentoring as as the funding was available. 02:45:18.500 --> 02:45:24.500 - Right. Yeah, but so that that's why my, my, I think I think that we want to pay it to. 02:45:24.500 --> 02:45:26.500 - If we're going to fund them. 02:45:26.500 --> 02:45:42.830 - I mean, giving, giving them $9,000 would sound like it, I mean not helpful in the six month period 02:45:42.830 --> 02:45:45.500 - necessarily. 02:45:45.500 --> 02:45:54.500 - So my argument would be 15 six. If we can't fully fund 02:45:54.500 --> 02:45:59.500 - use the amount for the person. 02:45:59.500 --> 02:46:08.500 - Lower amounts of the person. Yeah. 02:46:08.500 --> 02:46:14.500 - Or don't fund at all. I mean, I'm also, I wouldn't. 02:46:14.500 --> 02:46:22.040 - I think they took the box for innovative project. Yeah, and because really there is another 02:46:22.040 --> 02:46:24.500 - community that's not served up them. 02:46:24.500 --> 02:46:31.500 - Intention of care is something that people use to the state tries to use to save money. 02:46:31.500 --> 02:46:34.500 - So yeah, so. 02:46:34.500 --> 02:46:49.500 - So 15 360. Yes. 02:46:49.500 --> 02:47:06.500 - The spaceship. 02:47:06.500 --> 02:47:11.500 - I did not fund them. They ranked medium low. 02:47:11.500 --> 02:47:17.500 - Yeah. 02:47:17.500 --> 02:47:22.510 - I have partially funded for the classroom furniture and the developmental and educational resources. 02:47:22.510 --> 02:47:26.500 - So that was 30,624. 02:47:26.500 --> 02:47:29.500 - I think I've given them 4.5. 02:47:29.500 --> 02:47:41.500 - Hi. 02:47:41.500 --> 02:47:46.500 - So the, the class, the classroom top priority is 14624. 02:47:46.500 --> 02:47:51.500 - And their next one is 11376. 02:47:51.500 --> 02:47:59.500 - So, if you. 02:47:59.500 --> 02:48:01.500 - So, so whatever thoughts. 02:48:01.500 --> 02:48:23.500 - I get somewhere someone. 02:48:23.500 --> 02:48:40.500 - A bunch of the six. 02:48:40.500 --> 02:48:45.500 - If we funded top two priorities that would put us. 02:48:45.500 --> 02:49:06.500 - 25, yeah, it's 26 exactly for top two. Yes. And then our average is 26,724. 02:49:06.500 --> 02:49:16.500 - And then our average change we already discussed. We'll come back to if we need to, which we will 02:49:16.500 --> 02:49:16.500 - need to. 02:49:16.500 --> 02:49:31.800 - Every minute 10,000 because their partial funding is just a reduction in service and they don't 02:49:31.800 --> 02:49:39.500 - really hit the markers in terms of emergency services. 02:49:39.500 --> 02:49:51.500 - I recommend it's 60% funding as a list for it for me so they might not receive funding from me. 02:49:51.500 --> 02:50:10.500 - The rules. 02:50:10.500 --> 02:50:16.500 - 35. 02:50:16.500 --> 02:50:27.500 - I'm persuaded by not emergency. 02:50:27.500 --> 02:50:33.490 - So like for $10,000 I know it wasn't their top personal expenses was it was their top priority but 02:50:33.490 --> 02:50:38.930 - program materials and supplies and then their scholarships which I thought was like, you know, 02:50:38.930 --> 02:50:43.500 - really a huge that was at 10,000. 02:50:43.500 --> 02:50:53.110 - And they, they can, who wouldn't say we're funding the scholarships yeah okay 10,000 but I mean 02:50:53.110 --> 02:50:57.500 - their overall project costs $1.5 million. 02:50:57.500 --> 02:51:06.500 - So, you know, I mean, I feel like they just sent us to the organization. 02:51:06.500 --> 02:51:10.500 - Yeah. 02:51:10.500 --> 02:51:19.500 - And I'm sort of just just to restate my position from here down I'm happy to not find any of them. 02:51:19.500 --> 02:51:25.100 - I'm not happy to I'm not happy that anybody would not be funded it's not what I mean but well it's 02:51:25.100 --> 02:51:26.500 - contingent of them. 02:51:26.500 --> 02:51:29.500 - I mean I would like to talk about Crested Hill again. 02:51:29.500 --> 02:51:36.500 - Is this something that people feel after going through this is 02:51:36.500 --> 02:51:41.500 - first funding, we've funded to make when you're on a service I do not. 02:51:41.500 --> 02:51:44.500 - And, or counseling. 02:51:44.500 --> 02:51:47.500 - Funding partially. 02:51:47.500 --> 02:51:50.500 - I didn't want to. 02:51:50.500 --> 02:51:53.500 - I didn't want to fund it. 02:51:53.500 --> 02:51:59.110 - Well, let's let's let's let's finish with girls like them. What are we, what are we saying. Well, 02:51:59.110 --> 02:52:02.500 - what are we up to right now we are talking about. 02:52:02.500 --> 02:52:10.430 - We're just like we are 55, 455 girls like we're talking about men and we're supposed to be fun 02:52:10.430 --> 02:52:13.500 - because we have about five and three. 02:52:13.500 --> 02:52:19.500 - So the question. 02:52:19.500 --> 02:52:25.500 - I knew either way, I'm virtually funding them or one of the problems. 02:52:25.500 --> 02:52:29.500 - The moment I mean this is a placeholder for us to. 02:52:29.500 --> 02:52:37.500 - The argument of what was the materials also scholarships is 10. 02:52:37.500 --> 02:52:45.500 - But that in for a placeholder right now. 02:52:45.500 --> 02:52:46.500 - Okay. 02:52:46.500 --> 02:52:50.500 - No families. 02:52:50.500 --> 02:53:08.500 - Yeah, it was huge. 02:53:08.500 --> 02:53:11.500 - Karen did you score 5.5 or 3.5. 02:53:11.500 --> 02:53:17.500 - 5.5. 02:53:17.500 --> 02:53:23.500 - I mean, this felt like a climate equity moment. 02:53:23.500 --> 02:53:25.500 - For me personally. 02:53:25.500 --> 02:53:28.500 - Sorry, no, I'm not trying to pick up. 02:53:28.500 --> 02:53:32.500 - No, I would have agreed with you, but they already have two other counties. 02:53:32.500 --> 02:53:39.500 - So this did not feel pressing to me right now since they already got two others. 02:53:39.500 --> 02:53:44.500 - As a former preschool teacher, I absolutely understood their argument. I'm like, yeah, 100%. 02:53:44.500 --> 02:53:48.500 - But because they already have two, I felt we need that money elsewhere right now. 02:53:48.500 --> 02:53:49.500 - That was my... 02:53:49.500 --> 02:53:57.500 - That makes sense. I missed that they have two already. 02:53:57.500 --> 02:54:00.500 - So, zero? 02:54:00.500 --> 02:54:02.500 - Yeah. 02:54:02.500 --> 02:54:08.500 - Then 02:54:08.500 --> 02:54:12.500 - zero everything below? 02:54:12.500 --> 02:54:14.500 - What are the last three? 02:54:14.500 --> 02:54:23.500 - So we have Wonder Lab, Crested Hills, Special Olympics, and Boys and Girls Club. 02:54:23.500 --> 02:54:27.500 - Special Olympics one, I wanted to fund. 02:54:27.500 --> 02:54:33.500 - Me too, me too. 02:54:33.500 --> 02:54:43.500 - It's a population that's not reflected in the other nations. 02:54:43.500 --> 02:54:48.500 - Wait, are we talking about Special Olympics or Boys and Girls Club? 02:54:48.500 --> 02:54:50.500 - I was talking about Special Olympics. 02:54:50.500 --> 02:54:52.500 - Yeah, me too. 02:54:52.500 --> 02:54:58.500 - Wait, sorry. Let's do, okay, Wonder Lab. 02:54:58.500 --> 02:55:03.500 - I think that was a note for me. 02:55:03.500 --> 02:55:09.500 - No. 02:55:09.500 --> 02:55:14.500 - Okay. 02:55:14.500 --> 02:55:16.500 - That was a note for me. 02:55:16.500 --> 02:55:22.870 - I think, I think it's a similar situation where, you know, breaking it down to any amount that it 02:55:22.870 --> 02:55:23.500 - seemed. 02:55:23.500 --> 02:55:30.500 - And also one of the lowest ranked, yeah. 02:55:30.500 --> 02:55:32.500 - Wait. 02:55:32.500 --> 02:55:35.500 - No, but I kind of wanted to go back to Wonder Lab. 02:55:35.500 --> 02:55:36.500 - Yep. 02:55:36.500 --> 02:55:38.500 - Even though I feel like everyone kind of do. 02:55:38.500 --> 02:55:39.500 - Well, not everyone actually. 02:55:39.500 --> 02:55:43.500 - I mean, it's this so Courtney had them low 2.5 and already had them low. 02:55:43.500 --> 02:55:46.500 - The rest of us all had them at force or above. 02:55:46.500 --> 02:55:48.500 - And we want to go back to the Boys and Girls Club. 02:55:48.500 --> 02:55:54.500 - That's right. 02:55:54.500 --> 02:55:56.500 - So we just haven't gotten there yet. 02:55:56.500 --> 02:55:57.500 - We'll get, yeah. 02:55:57.500 --> 02:55:59.500 - We didn't skip them. 02:55:59.500 --> 02:56:02.500 - So yeah, Courtney, why. 02:56:02.500 --> 02:56:05.500 - That was what. 02:56:05.500 --> 02:56:07.500 - Wonder lab. 02:56:07.500 --> 02:56:11.500 - I love wonder lab. My, my kids grew up there. 02:56:11.500 --> 02:56:14.500 - They just ranked low on my rubric. 02:56:14.500 --> 02:56:18.500 - I think I just think of them with wonder lab. 02:56:18.500 --> 02:56:21.500 - It's more of a situation where the privilege mortgage, 02:56:21.500 --> 02:56:22.500 - the advantage, 02:56:22.500 --> 02:56:26.500 - because even if there's organization that get these say free tickets to 02:56:26.500 --> 02:56:29.500 - take kids, how much of them actually do. 02:56:29.500 --> 02:56:30.500 - No, no. Okay. 02:56:30.500 --> 02:56:34.500 - So, so I'm a big sister and I can't tell you how much time my little one, 02:56:34.500 --> 02:56:38.500 - I've spent at wonder lab because it is free and I don't have the extra 02:56:38.500 --> 02:56:40.500 - income to take her. 02:56:40.500 --> 02:56:44.500 - To a lot of places that cost money. And so I feel like that service has been 02:56:44.500 --> 02:56:46.500 - a game changer for me and for her. 02:56:46.500 --> 02:56:50.500 - And so like, I know it's personal bias, but like, that's one of the reasons. 02:56:50.500 --> 02:56:52.500 - I feel like I've seen that. 02:56:52.500 --> 02:56:55.500 - Would it be that grant specifically? 02:56:55.500 --> 02:56:58.500 - That would have contributed to you being able to go. 02:56:58.500 --> 02:56:59.500 - Yeah. Yeah. 02:56:59.500 --> 02:57:02.500 - So, so it's specifically. 02:57:02.500 --> 02:57:04.500 - Funding. 02:57:04.500 --> 02:57:07.500 - Admission passes for social service organizations and then social service 02:57:07.500 --> 02:57:10.500 - organizations in title and school group visits, which I also think that 02:57:10.500 --> 02:57:12.500 - education. 02:57:12.500 --> 02:57:15.500 - Like public education also being under type right now is like high priority. 02:57:15.500 --> 02:57:19.500 - And so like this resources is like a huge, I think it's a huge deal. 02:57:19.500 --> 02:57:21.500 - I think it's a huge deal. 02:57:21.500 --> 02:57:26.500 - And some retrospects, but I feel like the, the people who would need. 02:57:26.500 --> 02:57:28.500 - That kind of advantage. Don't. 02:57:28.500 --> 02:57:31.500 - Get the opportunity to even take advantage of that. 02:57:31.500 --> 02:57:34.500 - You know, like being in a big, how many kids actually. 02:57:34.500 --> 02:57:38.500 - Get in to being chosen. 02:57:38.500 --> 02:57:40.500 - You know, there's a lot of waiting lists and whatever. 02:57:40.500 --> 02:57:46.500 - And it does have a lot to do with people's economical status. 02:57:46.500 --> 02:57:49.500 - And where they are, if they're in shelters, if kids are in shelters, are 02:57:49.500 --> 02:57:52.500 - they, are the kids in shelters being able to. 02:57:52.500 --> 02:57:56.500 - Get opportunities to go to the wonder lab. 02:57:56.500 --> 02:58:00.500 - I didn't find wonder lab, but I will say that headstart is one of the 02:58:00.500 --> 02:58:05.500 - organizations that probably benefit from. 02:58:05.500 --> 02:58:08.500 - I mean, they list, they list camp town compass early learning center, 02:58:08.500 --> 02:58:11.500 - girls in harmony school, headstart middle way. 02:58:11.500 --> 02:58:14.500 - New hope for families and youth services bureau. 02:58:14.500 --> 02:58:17.500 - We didn't list them much. 02:58:17.500 --> 02:58:19.500 - So Cameron, did you fund it fully or did you. 02:58:19.500 --> 02:58:21.500 - Fund it fully, but. 02:58:21.500 --> 02:58:22.500 - That. 02:58:22.500 --> 02:58:24.500 - You know. 02:58:24.500 --> 02:58:32.500 - It was based on my. 02:58:32.500 --> 02:58:35.500 - Note here that I mean. 02:58:35.500 --> 02:58:38.500 - It would have been higher on your list. 02:58:38.500 --> 02:58:42.500 - Coordinating with the question about partnerships. 02:58:42.500 --> 02:58:44.500 - Because you have them at 2.5. 02:58:44.500 --> 02:58:46.500 - It should have been a 3.5. 02:58:46.500 --> 02:58:48.500 - Maybe we would have discussed them earlier. 02:58:48.500 --> 02:58:49.500 - Yeah. 02:58:49.500 --> 02:58:50.500 - That's. 02:58:50.500 --> 02:58:51.500 - Quite possible. 02:58:51.500 --> 02:58:53.500 - Yeah. 02:58:53.500 --> 02:58:54.500 - And. 02:58:54.500 --> 02:58:56.500 - You know, and so. 02:58:56.500 --> 02:59:01.500 - I mean. 02:59:01.500 --> 02:59:03.500 - Look, just looking across the. 02:59:03.500 --> 02:59:06.500 - You know, just, just in terms of majority. 02:59:06.500 --> 02:59:10.500 - The majority of us want to fund them. 02:59:10.500 --> 02:59:11.500 - Yeah. And I'm not. 02:59:11.500 --> 02:59:13.500 - I'm not opposed to it. 02:59:13.500 --> 02:59:15.500 - And they don't put limitations like. 02:59:15.500 --> 02:59:17.500 - The ones you get free admission, you can go anytime. 02:59:17.500 --> 02:59:19.500 - As many times as we want. 02:59:19.500 --> 02:59:21.500 - Like. 02:59:21.500 --> 02:59:24.500 - You know, the thing, the thing that. 02:59:24.500 --> 02:59:25.500 - For me. 02:59:25.500 --> 02:59:28.500 - Here is that. 02:59:28.500 --> 02:59:33.500 - It's one of what two places that you can take. 02:59:33.500 --> 02:59:38.500 - You know, kids in the non bad weather times. 02:59:38.500 --> 02:59:43.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 02:59:43.500 --> 02:59:50.500 - You know, at risk, low, low serve, low income, et cetera. 02:59:50.500 --> 02:59:52.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 02:59:52.500 --> 02:59:54.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 02:59:54.500 --> 02:59:56.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 02:59:56.500 --> 02:59:58.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 02:59:58.500 --> 03:00:00.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 03:00:00.500 --> 03:00:02.500 - And then, and then for them to then use this money to target. 03:00:02.500 --> 03:00:04.500 - I'm fine with giving a partial to them. 03:00:04.500 --> 03:00:07.500 - To serve this specific population that they're saying that this money 03:00:07.500 --> 03:00:08.500 - would serve. 03:00:08.500 --> 03:00:09.500 - No problem. 03:00:09.500 --> 03:00:11.500 - But then the question already brings up, I think it's, you know, 03:00:11.500 --> 03:00:12.500 - uptake. 03:00:12.500 --> 03:00:13.500 - Of that. 03:00:13.500 --> 03:00:15.500 - How many people did they say they'd serve? 03:00:15.500 --> 03:00:25.500 - How many kids did they take there? 03:00:25.500 --> 03:00:26.500 - How much, you know, 03:00:26.500 --> 03:00:28.500 - the big I can see in a, in a lot of ways, 03:00:28.500 --> 03:00:32.500 - because if the people who tend to be big, so people are, you know, 03:00:32.500 --> 03:00:37.500 - And educated or like, you know, students who wants to, um, 03:00:37.500 --> 03:00:39.500 - Support that kind. So they're, 03:00:39.500 --> 03:00:42.500 - they're already privileged in some way as to the direct focus of 03:00:42.500 --> 03:00:45.500 - certain kids that they're going to add soup. 03:00:45.500 --> 03:00:50.500 - But I was living in the other ways and there was no such thing. 03:00:50.500 --> 03:00:53.500 - And if it was existing, it was in a drawer somewhere. 03:00:53.500 --> 03:00:56.500 - It wasn't something where the kids was taken from there to, 03:00:56.500 --> 03:00:59.500 - I'll say, let's do a trip to, okay, parents. 03:00:59.500 --> 03:01:02.500 - We have these tickets for you to take your kids to, you know, 03:01:02.500 --> 03:01:05.500 - that wasn't, so it's not like it's, it's on paper, 03:01:05.500 --> 03:01:07.500 - but is it something that you can say? Yes. 03:01:07.500 --> 03:01:12.500 - It's something that they can say, yes, we can see based off of the amount of, 03:01:12.500 --> 03:01:13.500 - of tickets we receive. 03:01:13.500 --> 03:01:18.500 - These are how many families took advantage of those opportunities. 03:01:18.500 --> 03:01:19.500 - I mean, 03:01:19.500 --> 03:01:23.500 - the compromise too is that their title one group is it's like their 03:01:23.500 --> 03:01:28.500 - primary one is like half of the funding and that is specifically taking 03:01:28.500 --> 03:01:36.500 - school children to wonder lab as well. So it's like, you know, 03:01:36.500 --> 03:01:39.500 - it's less ambiguous than like a middle way house situation. 03:01:39.500 --> 03:01:40.500 - Yeah, 03:01:40.500 --> 03:01:44.500 - but I still want to know the statistics of how many kids really get to take 03:01:44.500 --> 03:01:45.500 - advantage of this. 03:01:45.500 --> 03:01:49.500 - They're saying 4,400. 03:01:49.500 --> 03:01:50.500 - I know you're saying that, 03:01:50.500 --> 03:01:53.500 - but I know that if you ask them for statistics, 03:01:53.500 --> 03:01:57.500 - they have them because of partnerships I've done with them before. 03:01:57.500 --> 03:02:00.500 - And I've been able to get those numbers, but I, but that has, 03:02:00.500 --> 03:02:01.500 - I don't know if they. 03:02:01.500 --> 03:02:07.500 - Yeah. 03:02:07.500 --> 03:02:10.500 - Because that's a great thing if it's being utilized in the right way, 03:02:10.500 --> 03:02:15.500 - it's going to be open to those. 03:02:15.500 --> 03:02:17.500 - I have a. 03:02:17.500 --> 03:02:21.500 - A concern that I'm just thinking about about this sending questions. 03:02:21.500 --> 03:02:24.500 - It means that we're going to have to meet again to deliberate. 03:02:24.500 --> 03:02:27.500 - Before making. 03:02:27.500 --> 03:02:31.500 - Well, I guess we could have Lisa, what do you, what do you think we can, 03:02:31.500 --> 03:02:35.500 - we can amend our agenda for the allocation. 03:02:35.500 --> 03:02:39.500 - That we have next to include. 03:02:39.500 --> 03:02:41.500 - Last point on today's agenda. 03:02:41.500 --> 03:02:44.500 - As our first point of action. 03:02:44.500 --> 03:02:47.500 - An agenda hasn't been created for the next. 03:02:47.500 --> 03:02:51.500 - So there's, there's nothing that keeps us from continuing to deliberate. 03:02:51.500 --> 03:02:54.500 - No. 03:02:54.500 --> 03:02:57.500 - Okay. 03:02:57.500 --> 03:03:00.500 - So in which case. 03:03:00.500 --> 03:03:03.500 - Would to continue this discussion. 03:03:03.500 --> 03:03:07.500 - Let's ask, let's ask for statistics on people served with a particular. 03:03:07.500 --> 03:03:11.500 - Yeah. 03:03:11.500 --> 03:03:14.500 - So a particular emphasis on, on the, 03:03:14.500 --> 03:03:17.500 - how that's been shared amongst the many partners. 03:03:17.500 --> 03:03:20.500 - And what do you mean by how that's. 03:03:20.500 --> 03:03:25.500 - The number of. 03:03:25.500 --> 03:03:27.500 - Children associated with middle way house. 03:03:27.500 --> 03:03:29.500 - Or. 03:03:29.500 --> 03:03:31.500 - Yeah, I think it was the uptake. 03:03:31.500 --> 03:03:36.500 - Right? Like how often. 03:03:36.500 --> 03:03:38.500 - I think they keep records of how often people from different, 03:03:38.500 --> 03:03:39.500 - like I have to show. 03:03:39.500 --> 03:03:41.500 - A card every time I'm going. 03:03:41.500 --> 03:03:42.500 - And so. 03:03:42.500 --> 03:03:50.500 - Yeah. 03:03:50.500 --> 03:03:55.500 - Okay. So, so I'll take them for now. 03:03:55.500 --> 03:03:58.500 - For our deliberations, continued deliberation. You said, what was it? 03:03:58.500 --> 03:04:02.500 - Was that the, is that what they'd said was the alternate for them? 03:04:02.500 --> 03:04:05.500 - One of their. 03:04:05.500 --> 03:04:12.500 - Yeah. 03:04:12.500 --> 03:04:17.500 - I did not fund them. 03:04:17.500 --> 03:04:20.500 - I did give them partial funding because I didn't want to punish them for. 03:04:20.500 --> 03:04:24.500 - And to me, it actually wasn't the. 03:04:24.500 --> 03:04:27.500 - Here. I will actually, it wasn't about the amount. It was. 03:04:27.500 --> 03:04:30.500 - And as we saw with the other larger quest, it was. 03:04:30.500 --> 03:04:33.500 - It was the design of the thing. So, I mean, there, there were. 03:04:33.500 --> 03:04:36.500 - I liked the idea of. 03:04:36.500 --> 03:04:39.500 - Against this capital improvement, buying the thing. 03:04:39.500 --> 03:04:42.500 - Then long term service and so on. 03:04:42.500 --> 03:04:44.500 - It was unclear to me how that. 03:04:44.500 --> 03:04:48.500 - Isn't in the individual benefit of the individual. 03:04:48.500 --> 03:04:50.500 - Person who runs it. 03:04:50.500 --> 03:04:53.500 - My argument. 03:04:53.500 --> 03:04:55.500 - In on your side. Yeah. 03:04:55.500 --> 03:04:57.500 - Is that it's. 03:04:57.500 --> 03:05:00.500 - You already have an organization that does this. 03:05:00.500 --> 03:05:03.500 - Yes. 03:05:03.500 --> 03:05:06.500 - So are we. 03:05:06.500 --> 03:05:08.500 - You know, are we. 03:05:08.500 --> 03:05:11.500 - Trying to reinvent the wheel here for a lot of money when we don't 03:05:11.500 --> 03:05:13.500 - need to. 03:05:13.500 --> 03:05:15.500 - Was my argument. 03:05:15.500 --> 03:05:17.500 - Their argument was that there was demand. 03:05:17.500 --> 03:05:18.500 - Well, and then, yeah. 03:05:18.500 --> 03:05:20.500 - And then I have to argue again. 03:05:20.500 --> 03:05:23.500 - To my counter argument that, well, we have, you know, 03:05:23.500 --> 03:05:30.500 - We have a community kitchen and we have, you know, we need all of them. 03:05:30.500 --> 03:05:32.500 - It also felt like they were asking us to build their organization from 03:05:32.500 --> 03:05:33.500 - the ground up though. 03:05:33.500 --> 03:05:36.500 - It was like, what was five board members and payers staff. 03:05:36.500 --> 03:05:37.500 - With this huge amount of money. 03:05:37.500 --> 03:05:40.500 - So I was like, it was less established. 03:05:40.500 --> 03:05:42.500 - Yeah. 03:05:42.500 --> 03:05:44.500 - But we said that we would benefit that we would. 03:05:44.500 --> 03:05:45.500 - You know, 03:05:45.500 --> 03:05:48.500 - Give people that that advantage if you're less established and you 03:05:48.500 --> 03:05:50.500 - couldn't go to other places and. 03:05:50.500 --> 03:05:53.500 - But I feel like this was an organization that it was all or nothing. 03:05:53.500 --> 03:05:56.500 - It's partial would not be. 03:05:56.500 --> 03:05:57.500 - Yeah. Yeah. 03:05:57.500 --> 03:05:59.500 - Because then we would go back to the point of, 03:05:59.500 --> 03:06:02.500 - would they be able to create with what they get? 03:06:02.500 --> 03:06:04.500 - Something. 03:06:04.500 --> 03:06:05.500 - Yeah. 03:06:05.500 --> 03:06:07.500 - Yeah. 03:06:07.500 --> 03:06:11.500 - The idea. 03:06:11.500 --> 03:06:14.500 - I mean, I would have awarded them less than 25%. 03:06:14.500 --> 03:06:16.500 - But I'm not. 03:06:16.500 --> 03:06:20.500 - Yeah. 03:06:20.500 --> 03:06:21.500 - Well, 03:06:21.500 --> 03:06:24.500 - And their top priority is going towards the mortgage. 03:06:24.500 --> 03:06:26.500 - That was, that's what that's where I was. 03:06:26.500 --> 03:06:37.500 - Yeah. 03:06:37.500 --> 03:06:39.500 - That's not. 03:06:39.500 --> 03:06:43.500 - I don't know. 03:06:43.500 --> 03:06:46.500 - I don't know. 03:06:46.500 --> 03:06:48.500 - I don't know what the range that they're going to live on. 03:06:48.500 --> 03:06:51.500 - They've been going to use for this purpose. 03:06:51.500 --> 03:06:56.500 - So, so like. 03:06:56.500 --> 03:07:00.500 - I'm thinking you're saying that that may, but I also. 03:07:00.500 --> 03:07:04.500 - That's interesting. 03:07:04.500 --> 03:07:06.500 - Either way, I still like. 03:07:06.500 --> 03:07:13.500 - The top priority is just that we can't really, especially with such a little rain. 03:07:13.500 --> 03:07:15.500 - Yeah. 03:07:15.500 --> 03:07:17.500 - I would suggest. 03:07:17.500 --> 03:07:18.500 - Me too. 03:07:18.500 --> 03:07:22.500 - I agree with that. 03:07:22.500 --> 03:07:28.500 - Special Olympics. 03:07:28.500 --> 03:07:30.500 - How did they rank. 03:07:30.500 --> 03:07:32.500 - So low. 03:07:32.500 --> 03:07:36.500 - So low. 03:07:36.500 --> 03:07:38.500 - Emergency service for sure. 03:07:38.500 --> 03:07:40.500 - Yeah. 03:07:40.500 --> 03:07:43.500 - And the last time you should. 03:07:43.500 --> 03:07:46.500 - Cause it's, you know, it's rain. So. 03:07:46.500 --> 03:07:50.500 - So a lot of reasons why they would. 03:07:50.500 --> 03:07:54.500 - Where do you rank them? 2.5. 03:07:54.500 --> 03:07:57.500 - But I didn't give them $1,500. 03:07:57.500 --> 03:08:01.500 - And they were medium low. 03:08:01.500 --> 03:08:07.500 - So. 03:08:07.500 --> 03:08:10.500 - So. 03:08:10.500 --> 03:08:14.500 - I, I think. 03:08:14.500 --> 03:08:17.500 - Population that hasn't, isn't reflected in other requests. 03:08:17.500 --> 03:08:19.500 - So I. 03:08:19.500 --> 03:08:21.500 - I mean. 03:08:21.500 --> 03:08:24.500 - 3.5 doesn't look very high, but it is for me. 03:08:24.500 --> 03:08:32.500 - Yeah. 03:08:32.500 --> 03:08:35.500 - They ask us small and I think that's a, I don't know. 03:08:35.500 --> 03:08:36.500 - I gave her zero. 03:08:36.500 --> 03:08:39.500 - You're getting zero. 03:08:39.500 --> 03:08:42.500 - I will say of, you know, of what they're asking for. 03:08:42.500 --> 03:08:43.500 - I ranked them. 03:08:43.500 --> 03:08:45.500 - I ranked them. 03:08:45.500 --> 03:08:47.500 - My. 03:08:47.500 --> 03:08:50.500 - A bit higher, but the. 03:08:50.500 --> 03:08:53.500 - What they're asking for is jerseys. 03:08:53.500 --> 03:08:59.500 - Yeah. 03:08:59.500 --> 03:09:02.500 - Last thing that they said they can use over time as opposed to one thing. 03:09:02.500 --> 03:09:03.500 - I don't know. 03:09:03.500 --> 03:09:07.500 - I feel like last year they asked for like equipment that they could reuse. 03:09:07.500 --> 03:09:08.500 - Yeah. 03:09:08.500 --> 03:09:11.500 - I think one of the priorities on there was there's two different things. 03:09:11.500 --> 03:09:12.500 - And I think. 03:09:12.500 --> 03:09:13.500 - The jerseys. 03:09:13.500 --> 03:09:14.500 - Yeah. 03:09:14.500 --> 03:09:16.500 - Something. 03:09:16.500 --> 03:09:19.500 - They said something about one of them, like it could be. 03:09:19.500 --> 03:09:24.500 - Yeah. 03:09:24.500 --> 03:09:27.500 - So it wasn't like a one time thing for a one year, 03:09:27.500 --> 03:09:30.500 - like so they can use it the next year for the next. 03:09:30.500 --> 03:09:31.500 - Event. 03:09:31.500 --> 03:09:33.500 - I think one of them was identified as that. 03:09:33.500 --> 03:09:36.500 - I don't know which one was, which is, I think that one. 03:09:36.500 --> 03:09:37.500 - Attached to. 03:09:37.500 --> 03:09:39.500 - $1,500. 03:09:39.500 --> 03:09:41.500 - I've already said my position was, you know, 03:09:41.500 --> 03:09:50.500 - a little bit above the zero everybody out. So, so just, I mean that. 03:09:50.500 --> 03:09:52.500 - We will go with the, with the will of the body. 03:09:52.500 --> 03:09:54.500 - So. 03:09:54.500 --> 03:09:56.500 - Their rubric scores that well, I'm, I'm okay with it. 03:09:56.500 --> 03:09:57.500 - Do not. 03:09:57.500 --> 03:10:01.500 - Give me money. 03:10:01.500 --> 03:10:03.500 - If we're at the point where, where there's no money left over. 03:10:03.500 --> 03:10:04.500 - Yeah. Okay. 03:10:04.500 --> 03:10:05.500 - I'm convinced. 03:10:05.500 --> 03:10:06.500 - I'm not convinced. 03:10:06.500 --> 03:10:14.500 - Okay. 03:10:14.500 --> 03:10:16.500 - So I think the things that they want, I mean, 03:10:16.500 --> 03:10:18.500 - they say that their uniforms that they currently have are really 03:10:18.500 --> 03:10:20.500 - outdated. I think we're looking at. 03:10:20.500 --> 03:10:22.500 - They talk about mental and physical stimulation. 03:10:22.500 --> 03:10:23.500 - And I feel like we're looking at. 03:10:23.500 --> 03:10:28.500 - Another. 03:10:28.500 --> 03:10:30.500 - Like Dave said, a population that's not represented here, 03:10:30.500 --> 03:10:33.500 - but also something that might not feel like a big deal to us in terms 03:10:33.500 --> 03:10:39.500 - of a bigger deal to participants and special Olympics. 03:10:39.500 --> 03:10:42.500 - And I think that. 03:10:42.500 --> 03:10:45.500 - I don't think they're replacing their jerseys super frequently. 03:10:45.500 --> 03:10:49.500 - They also said that their clients or athletes have increased 30% just 03:10:49.500 --> 03:10:50.500 - within the last year. 03:10:50.500 --> 03:10:54.500 - And so they need more uniforms for them as well. 03:10:54.500 --> 03:10:59.500 - And then on top of it being like a relatively small ask. 03:10:59.500 --> 03:11:03.500 - Like that's my argument. 03:11:03.500 --> 03:11:10.500 - Did you have an open to how much are just the jerseys? 03:11:10.500 --> 03:11:15.500 - The 60 jersey jerseys are 1560. 03:11:15.500 --> 03:11:18.500 - My number. 03:11:18.500 --> 03:11:19.500 - Perfect. 03:11:19.500 --> 03:11:23.500 - I mean, do we want to talk about doing just the jerseys? 03:11:23.500 --> 03:11:25.500 - That's less than what I recommended for them. 03:11:25.500 --> 03:11:36.500 - 1560. 03:11:36.500 --> 03:11:37.500 - Okay. 03:11:37.500 --> 03:11:46.500 - And the last one, boys and girls club. 03:11:46.500 --> 03:11:48.500 - I gave them 50%. 03:11:48.500 --> 03:12:00.500 - I did too. 03:12:00.500 --> 03:12:12.500 - Well, 03:12:12.500 --> 03:12:13.500 - So hungry. 03:12:13.500 --> 03:12:19.500 - We're almost done. 03:12:19.500 --> 03:12:21.500 - In terms of their, in terms of their breakdown. 03:12:21.500 --> 03:12:25.500 - Okay. So. 03:12:25.500 --> 03:12:32.500 - I mean, they have 11 different priorities here. 03:12:32.500 --> 03:12:36.500 - They're all in six months. 03:12:36.500 --> 03:12:44.500 - Okay. 03:12:44.500 --> 03:12:47.500 - So if you've bunched, if you've found their top priority, 03:12:47.500 --> 03:12:53.500 - that's $7,570. 03:12:53.500 --> 03:12:56.500 - Where is that introductory to the amount of money we have? 03:12:56.500 --> 03:13:07.500 - Okay. 03:13:07.500 --> 03:13:11.500 - And then pending the questions that we want to ask before we have 03:13:11.500 --> 03:13:15.500 - spent for our. 03:13:15.500 --> 03:13:18.500 - And some draft form allocated for 74, 377. 03:13:18.500 --> 03:13:23.500 - So we can give them 200. 03:13:23.500 --> 03:13:29.500 - Okay. 03:13:29.500 --> 03:13:36.500 - Because I said, sir. 03:13:36.500 --> 03:13:38.500 - You had, you had a justification. 03:13:38.500 --> 03:13:39.500 - It's came from somewhere in there. 03:13:39.500 --> 03:13:43.500 - Yeah. 03:13:43.500 --> 03:13:46.500 - So I don't see, I don't see anything on their brother for 1200. 03:13:46.500 --> 03:13:47.500 - There's a 1,000. 03:13:47.500 --> 03:13:49.500 - One thing, but together. 03:13:49.500 --> 03:13:54.500 - It's a number. 03:13:54.500 --> 03:13:56.500 - This is a lot of data to go through. 03:13:56.500 --> 03:13:57.500 - I know, I know. 03:13:57.500 --> 03:14:04.500 - Number. 03:14:04.500 --> 03:14:08.500 - Our, our, our, our, what we've recommended as 10. 03:14:08.500 --> 03:14:11.500 - So why don't, why don't we say what our average? 03:14:11.500 --> 03:14:14.500 - It would, I mean, either we say zero or. 03:14:14.500 --> 03:14:18.500 - We'll be so happy. 03:14:18.500 --> 03:14:19.500 - I don't know. 03:14:19.500 --> 03:14:21.500 - I don't know. 03:14:21.500 --> 03:14:23.500 - About 23. 03:14:23.500 --> 03:14:31.500 - Without boys and girls club. 03:14:31.500 --> 03:14:33.500 - Without the answers to the questions that we asked, 03:14:33.500 --> 03:14:35.500 - which might change what we want to do with our eyes. 03:14:35.500 --> 03:14:36.500 - Yeah. 03:14:36.500 --> 03:14:41.500 - I think it's too ambiguous for me. 03:14:41.500 --> 03:14:43.500 - I mean, maybe we hold this and just come back to it when, 03:14:43.500 --> 03:14:45.500 - after we have an answer to the. 03:14:45.500 --> 03:14:46.500 - Yeah. 03:14:46.500 --> 03:14:47.500 - To the question that we want to send out. 03:14:47.500 --> 03:14:51.500 - Yeah. 03:14:51.500 --> 03:14:57.500 - Sure. 03:14:57.500 --> 03:15:01.500 - That's what, that's what we'll do right now. 03:15:01.500 --> 03:15:04.500 - Okay. So. 03:15:04.500 --> 03:15:06.500 - Let's let's open up for public comment. 03:15:06.500 --> 03:15:08.500 - And then thousand. 03:15:08.500 --> 03:15:10.500 - Oh, you said 1200. 03:15:10.500 --> 03:15:11.500 - I did say. 03:15:11.500 --> 03:15:18.500 - Yeah. 03:15:18.500 --> 03:15:24.500 - Yes. Well, this will help. 03:15:24.500 --> 03:15:25.500 - Okay. 03:15:25.500 --> 03:15:33.500 - We can discuss again. Okay. But now. 03:15:33.500 --> 03:15:34.500 - Let's open up for public comment. 03:15:34.500 --> 03:15:37.500 - If there's anybody at our line or in the room that would like to 03:15:37.500 --> 03:15:40.500 - give public comment at this time, we are happy to take it. 03:15:40.500 --> 03:15:45.500 - Okay. 03:15:45.500 --> 03:15:47.500 - So what we're, what we're, well, 03:15:47.500 --> 03:15:52.500 - so what we're going to do is send the question to the two agencies. 03:15:52.500 --> 03:15:55.500 - And then when we reconvene. 03:15:55.500 --> 03:16:00.500 - We'll first meet without Eddie and then. 03:16:00.500 --> 03:16:03.500 - And then. 03:16:03.500 --> 03:16:07.500 - Hopefully you'd be able to finish our, our recommendations then. 03:16:07.500 --> 03:16:11.500 - Yeah. 03:16:11.500 --> 03:16:15.500 - When is our meeting? 03:16:15.500 --> 03:16:18.500 - Oh, it's a Friday night. 03:16:18.500 --> 03:16:23.500 - My son has a. 03:16:23.500 --> 03:16:25.500 - We got it. We got off. 03:16:25.500 --> 03:16:26.500 - Friday the 16th. 03:16:26.500 --> 03:16:30.500 - Yeah. 03:16:30.500 --> 03:16:35.500 - That might be okay. 03:16:35.500 --> 03:16:38.500 - I think it's, it might be a six, actually. 03:16:38.500 --> 03:16:39.500 - A 16. 03:16:39.500 --> 03:16:41.500 - That's usually really fast. 03:16:41.500 --> 03:16:43.500 - Is it. 03:16:43.500 --> 03:16:44.500 - Yeah. 03:16:44.500 --> 03:16:50.500 - Well, now we have to discuss the big question. 03:16:50.500 --> 03:16:53.500 - Cause I have, I have Jack Hopkins. 03:16:53.500 --> 03:16:58.500 - Slide it for four to six. 03:16:58.500 --> 03:16:59.500 - Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 03:16:59.500 --> 03:17:07.500 - Yeah. 03:17:07.500 --> 03:17:09.500 - Okay. So, yeah. And I mean, worst case scenario that you've discussed 03:17:09.500 --> 03:17:13.500 - and then leave as we formalize the things. Yeah. 03:17:13.500 --> 03:17:19.500 - Well, the only thing is my only thought though. 03:17:19.500 --> 03:17:22.500 - For that meeting, but just before we all leave, sorry for that meeting. 03:17:22.500 --> 03:17:26.500 - No, I think usually you have like a. 03:17:26.500 --> 03:17:30.500 - And so we won't be able to do that at that meeting at this point, because, 03:17:30.500 --> 03:17:34.500 - because we have not finalized. 03:17:34.500 --> 03:17:37.500 - So should we. 03:17:37.500 --> 03:17:40.500 - And we like adjourn and then read. 03:17:40.500 --> 03:17:44.500 - You know, can we like end it and then restart. 03:17:44.500 --> 03:18:00.500 - Yeah, so, so, so we could we do it one of two ways. In my mind, one is that we could have, we could 03:18:00.500 --> 03:18:00.500 - have drafts of everything else because everything else is barely fixed at this point. 03:18:00.500 --> 03:18:08.500 - And just with it, we have a decision point about everything below that line. 03:18:08.500 --> 03:18:14.950 - We can go to that at that meeting to allow the set night to for finalize the thing outside of 03:18:14.950 --> 03:18:19.500 - committee, then, like, based on the recommendation. 03:18:19.500 --> 03:18:28.640 - Yeah, we've granted that power before. Yeah, and then we can format their thing to put out the 03:18:28.640 --> 03:18:30.500 - council agenda. 03:18:30.500 --> 03:18:38.500 - So in terms of the date for the responses. What would you buy I would say Thursday. 03:18:38.500 --> 03:18:47.050 - All right. Yeah, 1515. That works. That works. Or let's know because then they might send it to 03:18:47.050 --> 03:18:54.880 - Thursday and then let's just just say, you know, the 14th so that we have Thursday, you can send it 03:18:54.880 --> 03:18:56.500 - to us on Thursday. 03:18:56.500 --> 03:19:05.500 - Actually with with Tuesday the 13th. Yes, I mean that gives us a week. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you all. 03:19:05.500 --> 03:19:08.500 - Thank you. BS adjourned. 03:19:38.500 --> 03:19:48.500 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 03:19:48.500 --> 03:19:58.500 - [BLANK_AUDIO] 03:19:58.500 --> 03:20:08.500 - [BLANK_AUDIO]