WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.800 - Let's call this meeting to order. 00:00:02.800 --> 00:00:07.120 - And today shouldn't be a particularly long meeting. 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:08.980 - The goal of today's meeting 00:00:08.980 --> 00:00:12.020 - is to finalize our recommendation to council. 00:00:12.020 --> 00:00:13.560 - We have some pending business, 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:16.680 - so we're gonna review the leftover. 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:17.520 - Let me get close to you. 00:00:17.520 --> 00:00:18.960 - I thought it was gonna be a space for Nardia, 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.360 - which we'll review the pending questions 00:00:23.360 --> 00:00:25.820 - that we sent out at the end of last meeting. 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.080 - Discuss the, I think there was five places 00:00:30.080 --> 00:00:33.280 - that we had sort of if then logic for, 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.240 - and then we'll make our recommendation and go home. 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:39.840 - Does that seem like the good plan to everyone? 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:40.680 - Great. - Thumbs up. 00:00:40.680 --> 00:00:42.080 - Fantastic. 00:00:42.080 --> 00:00:44.160 - Sam or Lisa, are either of you able to put up 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:47.540 - where we were last time, the worksheet we were working on? 00:00:47.540 --> 00:00:49.280 - Hi, nice to hear that. 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:50.920 - Seth, do you want me to go ahead and answer it? 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.400 - Yes, yeah, because let's, 00:00:52.400 --> 00:00:54.840 - so let's talk about the answers 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:56.120 - to the question that we received. 00:00:56.120 --> 00:00:57.800 - Sorry. 00:00:57.800 --> 00:00:59.840 - Oh, and I'm supposed to take role. 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.540 - So, sorry, come back, sorry. 00:01:02.540 --> 00:01:06.680 - Seems, okay. 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.320 - So, I'm joined by all of the committee members. 00:01:11.320 --> 00:01:14.840 - One person is absent, but go ahead and you sign. 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:16.760 - City council, large. 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.400 - Courtney Daly, city council. 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.580 - Andy, you can a little bit (indistinct) 00:01:21.580 --> 00:01:23.500 - Andy Robb, city council. 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:24.640 - Dave Robb, city council. 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:25.480 - Fantastic. 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.000 - And we're also joined by council staff 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.940 - and the most wonderful deputy clerk. 00:01:30.940 --> 00:01:32.960 - Okay. 00:01:32.960 --> 00:01:37.240 - So, did you all receive, you all saw the emails 00:01:37.240 --> 00:01:42.240 - that we sent out to SCAP and to Wonder Left? 00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:48.320 - So, the SCAP one was the first one, 00:01:48.320 --> 00:01:51.300 - our big question mark last time. 00:01:51.300 --> 00:01:54.280 - Thoughts on what they said? 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:55.120 - Yeah, that's fine. 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.540 - (indistinct) 00:01:57.540 --> 00:02:00.280 - I don't feel like it provides much more information 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.520 - about partial funding to use. 00:02:02.520 --> 00:02:05.080 - Okay, did they, maybe did you not say, 00:02:05.080 --> 00:02:06.640 - okay, they maybe didn't forward the, 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.700 - I asked a follow-up to that question, 00:02:09.700 --> 00:02:14.080 - which was directly like, can you be clear? 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:17.040 - Like, can you work with partial funding? 00:02:17.040 --> 00:02:19.400 - Their answer was yes, absolutely. 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.620 - And so, the partial funding question there, 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:25.120 - they're like, anything will help pass 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.640 - towards us being able to do this. 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:30.640 - What were your thoughts around the immediate? 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:33.280 - But if you have not seen this, can you, Lisa, 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.080 - could you forward that response as well, or? 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.080 - (indistinct) 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.240 - Yeah, I was fairly convinced by the urgency of it. 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:43.300 - I mean, I'm no contractor, 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:46.880 - but the explanation of the moisture leading to mold, 00:02:46.880 --> 00:02:50.400 - leading to major remediation need to be done later. 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.720 - Oh, and also for the general public, 00:02:53.720 --> 00:02:54.560 - can you put these up? 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.600 - 'Cause we probably, those should have been, 00:02:57.600 --> 00:03:00.720 - I don't know if they were in the pocket for folks, so. 00:03:00.720 --> 00:03:06.600 - So yeah, so it's all right, go on. 00:03:06.600 --> 00:03:08.180 - I was fairly convinced. 00:03:08.180 --> 00:03:12.960 - It was, to me, conveyed surgency. 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.520 - Oh, what does that mean in terms of? 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.960 - It means I've prioritized it really high for a lot. 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.400 - I mean, and they said, but if it's gonna be partial, 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:27.400 - I mean, I'm gonna argue that I would support 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:32.680 - a large partial funding. 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.480 - I was, I mean, it made me still feel 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:38.680 - where I felt right in terms of partial funding. 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.680 - I don't think I had large partial funding. 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:45.480 - Trying to find my spreadsheet. 00:03:45.480 --> 00:03:50.480 - Hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:55.760 - hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, 00:03:55.760 --> 00:04:02.440 - I thought it was, I mean, 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:04.520 - in terms of our first question to them, 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.360 - their answer was essentially that the assessment 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.360 - that was done two years ago said that this was immediate, 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:16.240 - i.e. posed risk to the safety of people in the building 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.400 - and their ability to do long-term services, 00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:21.960 - which is something that I don't think they made clear 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:24.080 - in their applications that did. 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:27.280 - I mean, that was the follow-up question that we asked though. 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:30.760 - And that was one of the reasons why many of us 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:33.760 - sort of had ranked them lowly, 00:04:33.760 --> 00:04:37.880 - was that we were convinced, I think originally, 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:42.040 - of the urgency of the request to begin with. 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:43.360 - Yeah. 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.160 - Did they give you any other information 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.280 - about hardship funding? 00:04:47.280 --> 00:04:50.400 - Simply because they are in such a tight time. 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:53.480 - I know they said they would have to complete it, but... 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.280 - Again, I'll find this in the photo, too. 00:04:55.280 --> 00:04:56.720 - Give me a second. 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.840 - I'm pulling up the email. 00:04:58.840 --> 00:05:04.440 - There. 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:07.760 - (overlapping dialogue) 00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:20.040 - It's not my inbox. I didn't get it. 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.200 - (overlapping dialogue) 00:05:23.200 --> 00:05:25.120 - I mean, I think it was just... 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.280 - (overlapping dialogue) 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.920 - Yeah, actually, I forwarded it to everybody. 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.320 - I think it was Esauk's follow-up, though. 00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:42.480 - Yeah, that's all of it. 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.800 - Yeah, we got the original, yeah. 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.680 - Okay, I'll put that up on the screen, yes. 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:50.440 - This is the follow-up question I asked. 00:05:50.440 --> 00:05:53.400 - It was a quick clarifying follow-up question. 00:05:53.400 --> 00:05:56.280 - Would SCAP be able to use partial funding for Jack Hopkins? 00:05:56.280 --> 00:06:00.000 - Any concerns around time frame in that instance? 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.840 - And Laura responded, "We absolutely would, yes." 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:04.600 - And our time frame to get the project done 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:05.880 - by Winthrop is firm. 00:06:05.880 --> 00:06:07.600 - Thank you again for considering us. 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.200 - Point is, they have other funds. 00:06:11.200 --> 00:06:14.800 - I mean, I think it's maybe the way to interpret that. 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:19.960 - And so the way that... 00:06:19.960 --> 00:06:21.400 - I mean, I'm not gonna tell you how to interpret it. 00:06:21.400 --> 00:06:26.400 - The way that I interpret it is that they need to do 00:06:26.400 --> 00:06:29.920 - the upgrades and they will use their own funds 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.320 - if we don't fund them, basically, 00:06:31.320 --> 00:06:34.320 - which will hinder their ability to do other things. 00:06:34.320 --> 00:06:37.800 - I would propose we do 50% of their ask. 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:42.200 - Okay, so if we go back to our spreadsheet real quick. 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:45.000 - Please. 00:06:59.640 --> 00:07:04.640 - Okay, and if you could scroll down to... 00:07:04.640 --> 00:07:09.240 - Here it is. 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:16.640 - Okay, so we have, we currently have them blank. 00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:21.640 - If we, where we were when we got to the question, 00:07:21.640 --> 00:07:26.400 - we had allocated $411,000. 00:07:26.400 --> 00:07:31.400 - So if we were to allocate the money that is left over 00:07:31.400 --> 00:07:37.200 - to allocate to them, that would leave us roughly 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:44.440 - with what, I mean, we have $89,000 left to give out. 00:07:44.440 --> 00:07:53.600 - So that's more than 50%. 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.640 - That's more than 50% too, I just sensed that. 00:07:57.640 --> 00:07:58.480 - Yeah. 00:07:58.480 --> 00:07:59.520 - I just sensed that there wasn't gonna be support 00:07:59.520 --> 00:08:01.080 - for going all the way to... 00:08:01.080 --> 00:08:06.080 - Well, yeah, I mean, I had allocated 55 in my budget. 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:12.440 - So if we were to allocate... 00:08:12.440 --> 00:08:15.400 - Okay, let me give you one more bit of important information 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:18.320 - and the second question that we left to ask 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:21.800 - was what's left over in the Jack Hopkins Fund 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.000 - and whether the mayor's office would be willing 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.960 - to do an additional appropriation for some amount. 00:08:27.960 --> 00:08:29.280 - There is... 00:08:29.280 --> 00:08:31.960 - I've got that figure in hand, Evy. 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:33.240 - Yay, what is it? 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.080 - It's $30,347. 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:37.920 - Okay. 00:08:37.920 --> 00:08:38.760 - Certainly. 00:08:38.760 --> 00:08:39.600 - $30,000. 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:44.800 - I mean, I think for reasons such as this, 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:49.800 - I wouldn't advise us to think about using all of that 00:08:49.800 --> 00:08:53.080 - if you, but it is something that's on the table, right? 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.040 - So last year, we did an additional $10,000. 00:08:56.040 --> 00:08:59.320 - So it is possible for us to spend a bit of that. 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.160 - So looking at where we're at, 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:06.320 - we have, with the recommendations we made 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:11.320 - for the other groups, we're currently at, 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:18.120 - let's see here, equals sum of all of these, there we are. 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.960 - So 400, we've allocated 486. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.400 - And does that include the 15%? 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:32.640 - That is not actually the percentage. 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:33.460 - That is not. 00:09:33.460 --> 00:09:36.760 - So if we did, we've made this 50%. 00:09:36.760 --> 00:09:41.760 - Let's say that we allocated, well, 60K. 00:09:41.760 --> 00:09:46.760 - All right, let's just, yeah, 60. 00:09:48.760 --> 00:09:53.760 - Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. 00:09:53.760 --> 00:09:58.800 - Okay, so that puts us at 546. 00:09:58.800 --> 00:10:03.800 - Now, looking at all of these yellow ones, 00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:09.200 - we allocated a bit more than, like these were all ones 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.480 - that we said, okay, we can come back 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.400 - and adjust if necessary. 00:10:14.400 --> 00:10:19.400 - But this again would still be our largest contribution. 00:10:19.400 --> 00:10:22.680 - And there's something that's strange to me 00:10:22.680 --> 00:10:26.480 - about our largest contribution being one of our lowest ranked. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.760 - So I think the core question here is whether 00:10:29.760 --> 00:10:32.160 - the additional information that we receive from them 00:10:32.160 --> 00:10:34.400 - changes the way that you would rank them. 00:10:34.400 --> 00:10:38.120 - Because if it does not, then I personally, 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:43.120 - as much as to me, I would rank them highly. 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.560 - I, you know, if collectively as a body, 00:10:47.560 --> 00:10:49.440 - it doesn't really move where they're ranked. 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:53.000 - It's very strange that one of our largest gifts 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.280 - is to one of our lowest rated. 00:10:55.280 --> 00:11:01.960 - I mean, I think my ranking went down. 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.680 - Really? - Yeah. 00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:07.280 - How so, how so, how so, like-- 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:08.120 - I just feel like-- 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.360 - Using the language of the rubric. 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.120 - (laughing) 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.120 - I think that with the questions we asked, 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:24.240 - I didn't appreciate the vagueness of the answers. 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.440 - To me, that didn't, like, I understand that 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.640 - the urgency that they talked more about that, 00:11:29.640 --> 00:11:34.320 - I didn't appreciate not having more clarity 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.280 - on their partial funding needs, 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:38.640 - just because we have such a finite amount of funds 00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:43.160 - to give out to organizations that all have big needs, 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:46.600 - and that is a huge ask of the pot of money 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.760 - that then doesn't serve other organizations. 00:11:48.760 --> 00:11:51.320 - So to me, it would have made more sense 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.360 - to maybe get some sort of response talking 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.360 - about other funding sources they're leveraging, 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.360 - or even that line that you said yourself 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.800 - about how this would just cut funding from other areas 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:03.600 - so their impact would look different, even that, you know? 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:08.760 - Versus kind of just this limbo of really not knowing 00:12:08.760 --> 00:12:12.600 - what they have and what they'll be able to accomplish 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.840 - and how much, like, we could give them 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.640 - that would be quote unquote enough 00:12:17.640 --> 00:12:20.400 - and leave the funding for other organizations. 00:12:20.400 --> 00:12:22.560 - So what did you say, other ones? 00:12:22.560 --> 00:12:25.600 - Your follow-up, though, your follow-up that we didn't see. 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:26.480 - Didn't it address that? 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.880 - It basically said, we have to do this project, 00:12:29.880 --> 00:12:31.480 - and so we'll just cut our... 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.560 - I mean, they didn't say that, that's my assumption. 00:12:33.560 --> 00:12:34.400 - Wow. 00:12:34.400 --> 00:12:35.520 - I don't see the follow-up. 00:12:35.520 --> 00:12:38.320 - Yeah, I mean, all I read, I mean, all I asked is, 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:39.160 - can you do this? 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:40.640 - And their answer is, absolutely. 00:12:40.640 --> 00:12:42.600 - And we'll be able to do it within the timeframe, 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:44.800 - because our two concerns were, 00:12:44.800 --> 00:12:46.640 - are you gonna be able to do this whole project 00:12:46.640 --> 00:12:48.400 - within the six-month timeframe 00:12:48.400 --> 00:12:49.960 - that you actually have to spend the money? 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:50.780 - Thing one. 00:12:50.780 --> 00:12:52.160 - So in other words, our concern was, 00:12:52.160 --> 00:12:53.680 - we gave a whole lot of money to them, 00:12:53.680 --> 00:12:54.760 - and then they can't spend it, 00:12:54.760 --> 00:12:57.280 - and they end up sending it back or something like that. 00:12:57.280 --> 00:12:58.980 - That's hindered other people. 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:03.640 - Concern two for us was an understanding of how immediate it was. 00:13:03.640 --> 00:13:05.840 - I think they gave a very clear answer of the immediacy 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.360 - and gave additional evidence to what they said in the framing. 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:10.520 - They just said, "It is immediate," 00:13:10.520 --> 00:13:13.240 - but they never substantiated that. 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.200 - But then they've made it clear to us. 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.720 - They said, "And I don't know how to interpret it. 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.720 - "I mean, I'm telling you how I'm interpreting it, 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.640 - "but I don't know how to interpret the fact 00:13:21.640 --> 00:13:23.520 - "that they said they can do it with partial funding." 00:13:23.520 --> 00:13:24.920 - If it was immediate two years ago, 00:13:24.920 --> 00:13:27.520 - why didn't they apply for funding for this flash year? 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:28.560 - I think that's fair. 00:13:28.560 --> 00:13:30.640 - I think that's fair. 00:13:33.280 --> 00:13:36.240 - And I can even get off my pedestal 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:37.880 - of not wanting to fund them at all, 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:39.200 - which is kind of where I landed before, 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.180 - just because other things felt more urgent to me. 00:13:41.180 --> 00:13:42.520 - But I think that, to your point, 00:13:42.520 --> 00:13:46.240 - about that highest amount of funding for low-ranked-- 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:47.080 - Yep. 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.560 - Things that would bother you even as well. 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:50.240 - Yep, okay. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.480 - Well, if it makes you a feeling better, 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.600 - had I done the rubric, they would bump up a little bit 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:57.640 - 'cause I would rank them very high. 00:13:57.640 --> 00:14:00.240 - And I think that's a fair point, that's a fair point. 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.160 - So would their amount have been higher 00:14:02.160 --> 00:14:04.400 - 'cause I ranked them high? 00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:06.440 - Mid, I don't think they were my top, 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:07.760 - they were my very high percentage, 00:14:07.760 --> 00:14:10.680 - but they were in a good percentage. 00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:12.520 - Let me just see the level check 00:14:12.520 --> 00:14:15.700 - that I'm not making memories up. 00:14:15.700 --> 00:14:21.700 - Yeah, I have them in the high, not very high category, 00:14:21.700 --> 00:14:23.560 - but I didn't give them any money. 00:14:23.560 --> 00:14:26.960 - So that throws off the amount as well here. 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.160 - So I had them out of three. 00:14:33.160 --> 00:14:37.440 - They were ranked medium my first time around. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.040 - After their answers, it does change one thing for me 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:42.520 - on the other here, because I have put 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:44.520 - the lasting composition as minimal. 00:14:44.520 --> 00:14:49.680 - And so now I would say yes indirectly. 00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:52.240 - So that does give them another point in my book. 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.760 - So that does bring them up to a four, which is high. 00:14:56.760 --> 00:15:00.180 - So they wouldn't, so, I mean, with all that, 00:15:00.180 --> 00:15:05.180 - they wouldn't be ranked as low relatively, you know? 00:15:05.180 --> 00:15:09.400 - So, I mean, balance out the concern that I have, 00:15:09.400 --> 00:15:10.400 - I share with you. 00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:15.240 - But okay, so, I mean, so we only have one proposal so far 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.440 - on the board, which is 50%. 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:23.440 - That's if the only way you make 50% work is you don't fund, 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:29.160 - you don't fund these organizations. 00:15:29.160 --> 00:15:30.840 - You can't see that, sorry. 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:34.320 - Can you scroll over to the right and then scroll down? 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:38.040 - So the scape is the top of, yep, there you go, the screen. 00:15:38.040 --> 00:15:40.360 - And ideally we can see all the other arcs too, 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:44.400 - just a little, thank you so much, okay? 00:15:44.400 --> 00:15:49.400 - So the only way you make that work is we don't fund, 00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:55.960 - if we wanted to fund them at 60,000, we'd have to remove. 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:01.320 - So, I'm sorry, I misspeak because if we fund them, 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:09.800 - so this amount, line 32 through 41 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:14.960 - at our current recommended levels represents $75,000 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.660 - and we're $40,000 over. 00:16:17.660 --> 00:16:24.520 - So another option is that you give these people 20. 00:16:24.520 --> 00:16:26.940 - (indistinct) 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:32.000 - Sorry. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:32.820 - No, that's okay. 00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:34.400 - I just, I wasn't watching when you typed. 00:16:34.400 --> 00:16:39.400 - So we gave them 30, it would be 25% of their asset. 00:16:39.400 --> 00:16:44.000 - If we give them, so if we give them 30, yeah. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:51.320 - But then we'd be asking for about half of the money 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.200 - that's left over in the account. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.200 - Should we talk about WonderLab before we're? 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:57.240 - Yeah, not yet. 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.440 - So we're seeing if that changes anything too. 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:05.360 - So we're okay with asking for half of what's in the reserve, 00:17:05.360 --> 00:17:06.720 - but. 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:08.720 - Okay, so our response from WonderLab. 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.760 - As a reminder, our questions were, 00:17:12.760 --> 00:17:15.880 - how many children Bloomington residents have been served 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.440 - by the free group visit and admissions program? 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.240 - And two, what is the uptake rate of the free group visits 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.040 - and admission program by social services agencies? 00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:26.560 - How does WonderLab determine 00:17:26.560 --> 00:17:29.640 - if the children served are Bloomington residents? 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.720 - And their response was attached. 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.320 - I don't know if you're able to put that up 00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:38.080 - 'cause it was quite a response. 00:17:38.080 --> 00:17:38.920 - Yeah, I can. 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.000 - Thank you. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.360 - Oh, we need to call any back in for this. 00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:47.960 - Well, then we're gonna send it back out. 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.280 - Okay, Eddie. 00:17:49.280 --> 00:17:51.520 - I can get it. 00:17:51.520 --> 00:17:52.360 - Okay. 00:17:52.360 --> 00:17:55.880 - Sorry, I know that's on. 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.920 - I don't know, it is significantly operating. 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:58.760 - Something. 00:17:58.760 --> 00:18:00.680 - There's two PDFs here in the end. 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:01.520 - Yeah. 00:18:01.520 --> 00:18:19.880 - But we might need you to cover your ears. 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.080 - La la la. - Okay. 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:22.920 - Sure. 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:30.720 - So, I mean, Nourdi, you were the strongest critic 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.000 - of the WonderLab proposal. 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.440 - What did you feel about the response? 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.560 - And did it help appease your thoughts in any way? 00:18:38.560 --> 00:18:39.960 - And does that affect funding? 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.080 - 'Cause I think most of us had pretty strong views 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:42.920 - of WonderLab. 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.160 - I had them high, but you basically had them at it 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.040 - that, you know, there's no funding. 00:18:48.040 --> 00:18:49.760 - I had them high. - Yeah. 00:18:49.760 --> 00:18:52.120 - Sir, I didn't catch you. 00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:53.920 - So. - Yes, I didn't put my hands up. 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.480 - No, no, with, yeah. 00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:00.480 - I was, I was, I was, this is how the conversation went. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.840 - That's how the conversation went. 00:19:03.840 --> 00:19:06.680 - It was. 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.600 - I was going through their, whatever they wrote. 00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:11.880 - I think there's two different pieces I was seeing 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.160 - because one of them was explaining about some had-back 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.000 - which didn't really have anything to do with, 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.480 - and then being added negative, 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.720 - which doesn't really have anything to do with 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:23.240 - what the fund request is for and what is negative for. 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:24.840 - They're kind of saying that they spend more money 00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:28.200 - on other things and that put them at a deficit in some way. 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.600 - But to the specific question, 00:19:30.600 --> 00:19:32.800 - I'm not sure if I saw the answer for those. 00:19:32.800 --> 00:19:37.240 - Courtney, when did you change spots? 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.680 - I did not, they didn't sway me. 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.080 - No, I mean, specifically, and maybe I missed this, 00:19:43.080 --> 00:19:45.840 - but looking at the, you know, your specific question was, 00:19:45.840 --> 00:19:48.200 - how do we know these are blooming to the specific 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.520 - beneficiaries? 00:19:52.520 --> 00:19:56.360 - And, you know, they explained how they verify 00:19:56.360 --> 00:19:58.160 - their Indiana residents, but I didn't, 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.440 - I didn't specifically see how they made sure 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.360 - the money was going directly to blooming to residents. 00:20:06.360 --> 00:20:08.200 - That was in the next document. 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.040 - In this one? 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:10.480 - The second one. 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:11.760 - Yeah, that one. 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:13.040 - Is it? 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:13.880 - Yeah, and it was-- 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.520 - The C2C fund acts of course. 00:20:15.520 --> 00:20:17.040 - Yeah. 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:21.120 - And so maybe I missed where they answered that question 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:22.760 - more directly later. 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:23.840 - That was-- 00:20:23.840 --> 00:20:26.640 - Well, they did it fully points that 2024 mentioned 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.560 - certain organization that got complimentary. 00:20:29.560 --> 00:20:34.280 - I'm guessing that's the same as what they're seeking 00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:35.960 - the fund for. 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.960 - Yeah, and then those aren't all. 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.480 - Yeah. 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:42.680 - That doesn't really represent to the meeting. 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.440 - (mouse clicking) 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:52.000 - In fact, in the schools, there's only one 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.720 - Bloomington School listed there. 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:58.240 - One made, probably not the Title I schools 00:20:58.240 --> 00:20:59.600 - that visit no charge. 00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:10.840 - I get it too, you know, how do you set aside, 00:21:10.840 --> 00:21:14.160 - you have this pot of money for the no charge program, 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:15.560 - and you set aside and say, 00:21:15.560 --> 00:21:18.920 - well, only this amount that is for this program 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.640 - can be used specifically here. 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.840 - And then, I mean, that's hard to delineate. 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:26.560 - So, just pointed that out. 00:21:26.560 --> 00:21:27.400 - Mm-hmm. 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.960 - So, 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:35.640 - I think Eddie has to leave again. 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.720 - We should have called you back. 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:39.400 - Unless you have thoughts of a platform. 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:42.160 - So, WinterLab was one of the organizations 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.320 - that landed kind of on the cusp of funding. 00:21:45.320 --> 00:21:47.040 - So, I left them off. 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:51.280 - If the entire group feels, 00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:54.480 - hey, they shouldn't be funded, I'm okay with that. 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:55.320 - But-- 00:21:55.320 --> 00:21:56.840 - You've had them ranked high, though. 00:21:56.840 --> 00:21:57.680 - I won't. 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:01.320 - So, 4.5 and fives were the ones that I funded, 00:22:01.320 --> 00:22:03.280 - and anyone that felt we loved that. 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.120 - So, yeah, they were on the cusp of saying, 00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:07.080 - hey, that's automatic funding for me. 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:07.920 - Right. 00:22:08.760 --> 00:22:13.760 - I do know that they do want to serve low-income people. 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:16.200 - I had a meeting with them just the other day, 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:21.200 - and we talked about funding that I had for Head Start, 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.000 - and the main reason our families 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.440 - can't make their specific transportation issues. 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:31.440 - But I'll go when the group wants to go, 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.840 - but do I need to leave again? 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:34.680 - Yes. 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.040 - Okay, okay, well, I'll be out. 00:22:36.040 --> 00:22:37.160 - I don't know, I mean, in many ways, 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.400 - I don't know what the value is of leaving, but. 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.600 - How much was the AST? 00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:48.080 - It's 11,000 or something like that. 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:49.240 - So it was like 14. 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:50.320 - Almost 15,000. 00:22:50.320 --> 00:22:51.600 - Okay. 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:52.440 - 1490. 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.600 - Yeah, so we have them pegged right now. 00:22:54.600 --> 00:22:58.680 - We have them pegged at seven and a half, seven, five, zero, 00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.500 - nine. 00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:04.440 - I just like, it's still, there's still this issue 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:08.640 - that, you know, and I mean, I know we talked this out, 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.920 - but just to bring it for one last time, 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.920 - which is to say, the message then that we'll end up sending 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:22.320 - to like, we didn't fund Noodle for Families, 00:23:22.320 --> 00:23:24.640 - didn't fund Crested Hill Refuge, 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:30.640 - and then we funded some things that scored lower than them. 00:23:33.560 --> 00:23:38.560 - It's just, it's hard for me to like, I'm just. 00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:42.640 - Well, it's just a reflection of debate and discussion. 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:46.280 - I mean, I've changed my view by ranks. 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:49.280 - This cap and wonderland quite high, 00:23:49.280 --> 00:23:54.280 - but during the debate, I'm maybe fine to decrease it. 00:23:54.280 --> 00:23:59.640 - So yeah, because actually the other needs seem to have risen. 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:03.920 - I mean, Crested Hill Refuge to me, 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:05.800 - it seems really like untested. 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:09.960 - And it's, I mean, if we had the money, 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:11.760 - it'd be an interesting experiment, 00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:13.560 - but it's a big ask. 00:24:13.560 --> 00:24:16.960 - And, you know, there are all these other needs. 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.260 - Yeah, yeah. 00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:22.800 - You know, I'm just wondering if we left it as we did, 00:24:22.800 --> 00:24:25.840 - and we had, what are we 16,000 or over? 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:29.240 - So what is that about? 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.720 - If everybody took a haircut of 2%, 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.880 - we would essentially be about 500, right? 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.040 - If we left it as it is, 00:24:38.040 --> 00:24:40.760 - but then we went through, I would have just said, okay. 00:24:40.760 --> 00:24:43.480 - And then we took some off of the ones 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.080 - that were highlighted? 00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:45.920 - Yeah, because, I mean, 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.320 - we went through a very careful debate, 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:50.080 - and I think the numbers that we paid 00:24:50.080 --> 00:24:53.880 - were pretty consistent, I think, with the group. 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.320 - I mean, this is what I feel with the group consensus. 00:24:57.320 --> 00:25:00.640 - So rather than kind of go back, 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.200 - try to re-litigate every one of them, 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:08.800 - that's one approach, since reduce it by increment. 00:25:08.800 --> 00:25:10.120 - Yep. 00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:12.200 - How comfortable are people with spending 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.120 - more than the allotted amount? 00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:16.000 - Keeping in mind that this coming year, 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.360 - there's gonna probably be cuts to, 00:25:18.360 --> 00:25:19.700 - no further cuts to funding. 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:23.740 - So, you know, would we rather hold that for, 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.560 - for the year ahead, or? 00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:32.520 - No, wait, wait. 00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:36.000 - All right, so we have 500,000. 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.200 - There's an additional 30,000. 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:43.200 - The administration says that they'd be okay introducing, 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:48.360 - so we could leave it as is, and ask for 16,000 more. 00:25:48.360 --> 00:25:52.840 - But so question one, I mean, Courtney's already indicated 00:25:52.840 --> 00:25:54.760 - that she's happy, that she would be comfortable 00:25:54.760 --> 00:25:56.560 - spending a bit over, 00:25:56.560 --> 00:25:59.520 - and asking for that additional appropriation. 00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:00.560 - So that's question one. 00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:03.080 - Are you comfortable with us spending that additional, 00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:04.960 - asking for an additional appropriation? 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.780 - I am. 00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:06.620 - Okay. 00:26:06.620 --> 00:26:08.780 - Thank you. 00:26:08.780 --> 00:26:12.440 - Yeah, and I guess we have a little bit more of a margin 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.880 - to look at. 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.000 - What was the one that was not funded, 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.800 - that we were new home for families? 00:26:18.800 --> 00:26:20.080 - I mean, so we have 30,000, 00:26:20.080 --> 00:26:21.720 - and I don't bet that that's just the question, 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.240 - is that do you want to, yeah. 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.120 - So then the next is the follow-up question is, 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:31.120 - how far would you like to go into that amount? 00:26:31.120 --> 00:26:32.400 - And according to your suggestion, 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.680 - it's like somewhere around half. 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.780 - So this sort of where we're at right now, the 516. 00:26:38.780 --> 00:26:44.200 - And that's something that we hope doesn't get funded? 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.040 - It could. 00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:49.000 - Doesn't have to, but that's what it means currently. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.160 - (silence) 00:26:51.160 --> 00:27:01.400 - So the 30,000 is contingent on all the machinations 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:05.360 - from the controller's office and whether we're gonna. 00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:09.680 - Yeah, so I wouldn't personally recommend us going at 30. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:14.360 - I think that last year, Stephen Lucas had said 00:27:14.360 --> 00:27:19.360 - that people tended to go 10, so 15 would be a large ask. 00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:23.800 - I think we went eight or something. 00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:25.120 - I didn't remember what it was last year. 00:27:25.120 --> 00:27:28.200 - I think it was around 9,000 last year. 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.440 - I mean, I'd be okay with going all the yellow highlighted ones 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.680 - and taking 2% off or a small amount off of each one 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:37.440 - and trying to bring that down. 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.280 - I don't see a problem with that. 00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:44.940 - Are we comfortable with 30,000 for SCAP? 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:45.880 - Yeah. 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.280 - Anybody not comfortable with 30,000 for SCAP? 00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:54.160 - Well, I'm a little more, but I'm happy to give this, 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.520 - given the sentiment of the group overall that I sense. 00:27:56.520 --> 00:27:59.360 - But you're not happy to cut people above or below, 00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:00.240 - I would assume. 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.520 - No, I wasn't going to advocate for anything 00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:08.920 - for one or the other, and if we just need to dip 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:13.920 - into 15, 16 to do what we have now, plus 30 for SCAP, 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:18.680 - then that's fine with me. 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.120 - Okay, anybody have strong feelings 00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:23.020 - against SCAP getting 30K? 00:28:23.020 --> 00:28:26.800 - So we can peg them at 30K, and then we can bring Eddie back 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:28.720 - and finalize the rest. 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:33.720 - Okay, okay, going once, five, twice. 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.040 - All right, let's get Eddie back there, 00:28:38.040 --> 00:28:39.520 - and not send it out again. 00:28:39.520 --> 00:28:41.600 - (laughs) 00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:54.240 - Okay, so do we want to just, what we've decided, 00:28:54.240 --> 00:29:00.000 - we've pegged an amount now, and now we're about 16,000 over. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.400 - I think, where are we trying to get to N over? 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.000 - What's our thinking here? 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:13.880 - I don't necessarily, I guess I would just ask 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.360 - about the 2% idea, just because I think a lot 00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:21.160 - of the numbers we picked were in line with partial funding. 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:22.840 - Except for these ones that we've highlighted. 00:29:22.840 --> 00:29:24.560 - So we've highlighted quite a few, 00:29:24.560 --> 00:29:28.160 - all the way up to number 16. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.040 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying we picked numbers 00:29:30.040 --> 00:29:32.800 - that were based on their asks, right? 00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:35.120 - Like specific numbers that were, that rounded out 00:29:35.120 --> 00:29:36.960 - to be in line with-- - For the most part, 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.720 - but some we didn't, some we said, 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.520 - some we funded a bit more than some, you know. 00:29:41.520 --> 00:29:46.040 - So all of the highlighted ones we highlighted 00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.280 - with the idea that should we need to cut, 00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:51.280 - that these were places that we could go back to look to cut. 00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:54.720 - So the question is, are you comfortable dipping 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:59.720 - into that $30,000 reserve that the administration has set us, 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.120 - or that is set aside still that we could dip into? 00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:06.760 - We were discussing that first. 00:30:06.760 --> 00:30:13.160 - I mean, you can, I mean, if it's more in line 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:18.640 - with other projects of that size, I'm fine with that. 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:28.720 - So right now, the funding for SCAPES add $30,000 off? 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.680 - Yeah, but we solidified, 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.560 - but we have an extra 30 to play with. 00:30:32.560 --> 00:30:33.800 - Okay. - Yeah. 00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:37.680 - So right now, with everything that we have set 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.080 - on this sheet, we're 16,000 over. 00:30:41.080 --> 00:30:41.920 - 16,000 over. 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.920 - So we would be dipping into that 30,000, 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.480 - but not SCAPES 30,000. 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.400 - Oh, okay. - Right, right. 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.240 - Yeah, yeah. - Right. 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.720 - I can't discuss that in here. 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.120 - It's okay. - I think it's better. 00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:50.960 - Yeah. 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:56.880 - No, this isn't, yeah, this is just in general. 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.720 - Okay. 00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.680 - We kind of took a pulse check. 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.800 - How do we feel about dipping into the 30,000? 00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:04.840 - And are we, how far are we comfortable going 00:31:04.840 --> 00:31:06.040 - if we're comfortable? 00:31:06.040 --> 00:31:10.000 - Last year, we did 9,000 into our extra reserve. 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.400 - And this year, we had more money in our overall pot. 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.360 - Yeah. - 500, what was it last year? 00:31:15.360 --> 00:31:16.400 - 350. - 350. 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.800 - 350. 00:31:17.800 --> 00:31:18.880 - So-- 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.560 - We also had quite a much bigger application 00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:24.400 - that Google had to ask. 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:29.400 - I feel, I would ask us to get to around 10, I don't think. 00:31:29.800 --> 00:31:33.080 - I don't think 15 feels a bit much. 00:31:33.080 --> 00:31:34.560 - Plus we, there's a risk here, right? 00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:36.800 - I mean, the administration said we're willing 00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:39.120 - to put forward another thing, 00:31:39.120 --> 00:31:41.120 - but they didn't say for this much. 00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:43.040 - So we could end up in a situation where they, 00:31:43.040 --> 00:31:44.200 - where we asked for 15 and they go, 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.680 - oh, we don't wanna do 15. 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:47.040 - And then we're back to the drawing board, 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:48.160 - we don't wanna do that. 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.680 - I think I feel comfortable asking for 10. 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:57.080 - So do we wanna go to the ones that are highlighted 00:31:57.080 --> 00:32:01.160 - in yellow that have the lower scores 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.160 - and then start looking how that impacts those programs, 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:12.680 - like special ethics and disparities, comparatively. 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.000 - So if we take anything from them, 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.200 - you know, it just, it doesn't make too much sense. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.640 - I think half would be a good number 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.640 - to ask for the 15, forgiveness and the permission. 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.480 - So. 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.240 - Yeah, but. 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.240 - 'Cause I mean, the money is there in the sense that 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:33.760 - we don't even know what the, 00:32:33.760 --> 00:32:39.040 - what are they gonna be able to produce, 00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:41.400 - these organizations, so funds might come back 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.480 - independent on time on the project and whatnot. 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.480 - And the fact that there is this need 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.000 - that is already established for this, 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.440 - is I put an aside the need to save the funds 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.880 - so that maybe we might need it more later, 00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.360 - even though there's acknowledged need like, you know. 00:33:00.360 --> 00:33:02.840 - I agree with you on that. 00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:05.600 - I think we should prioritize financial stability 00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:06.600 - for those organizations, right? 00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:08.880 - Yeah, because I'm thinking the, 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.400 - the funds went up for whatever reason, 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:13.680 - but that was awesome. 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.560 - We can keep our fingers crossed for that to happen again. 00:33:17.560 --> 00:33:21.320 - If there can send a system to be trying 00:33:21.320 --> 00:33:23.160 - in its increase in year. 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.280 - And there's a lot of accuracy on the state council 00:33:25.280 --> 00:33:26.480 - to increase it more. 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.400 - So I don't think we should prioritize 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.760 - holding back too much for the sake of not funding. 00:33:33.760 --> 00:33:38.640 - It's just me. 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:46.720 - If I could elaborate on what ESOC was saying 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.240 - to access all or portion of that $30,000 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.280 - as an additional appropriation, 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:57.400 - we may have to be initiated by being approved 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.040 - by the administration to go before council. 00:34:01.040 --> 00:34:03.760 - I don't want to speak for ESOC, 00:34:03.760 --> 00:34:08.760 - but I think the express, 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.040 - the worst case scenario potentially is that 00:34:13.040 --> 00:34:16.360 - instead of appropriating the amount that the committee 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.960 - was relying upon, it's less than amount. 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.600 - Exactly. 00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:25.480 - Council does, by Indianist statute, 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.000 - council doesn't have the authority to increase 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.680 - an appropriation amount, that's in the situation. 00:34:31.680 --> 00:34:35.800 - I think there gives no room for the pushback on the 10, 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.320 - if the 15 could give a pushback to 10. 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.960 - Yeah, but there's no, we have to decide today 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.560 - what we're going to recommend. 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:46.920 - And we won't be, if the administration says, 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.240 - actually we're not comfortable with that, 00:34:49.240 --> 00:34:51.480 - then we'll have to meet again to determine, 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.360 - now that doesn't need to be the barrier. 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:55.080 - If you all feel comfortable with 15, 00:34:55.080 --> 00:34:57.760 - we could stop right now, say 15 is our recommendation. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.800 - That's a risk. 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.800 - Yeah, it's a risk, but also I think we do want to keep, 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.480 - there's a reason why there's funds, extra funds in there, 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.640 - for such times as this. 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:09.280 - We're at a stage, by the time we got to the one 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.880 - that we spent the most time talking about, 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.080 - like in terms of our rubric, 00:35:13.080 --> 00:35:16.600 - we funded all of our high priorities at the best amount. 00:35:16.600 --> 00:35:18.280 - We've almost funded everyone. 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:23.760 - Like, so it feels a little bit like we, I don't know. 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:30.200 - I don't think that we're really looking at a situation 00:35:30.200 --> 00:35:32.880 - where we're prioritizing the financial viability 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.280 - of organization at this stage. 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.200 - Like some of the things that are left on our list, 00:35:36.200 --> 00:35:41.200 - for example, Pathways asked for $42,000 for furniture. 00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:43.800 - We're giving them $20,000 for that. 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.240 - As this, you know, we're not at the level 00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:49.960 - of like these organizations are going to suffer deeply 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.000 - for not getting so many from us. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:59.240 - I just don't really see the administration 00:35:59.240 --> 00:36:01.640 - bubbling over 15 versus 10. 00:36:01.640 --> 00:36:04.160 - I mean, again, I'm not gonna, I won't push back. 00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:05.320 - Like if that's the collective, 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.520 - like if we're happy where we are right here, 00:36:07.520 --> 00:36:09.800 - then we have two proposals on the table, right? 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.000 - One proposal, leave it as about three proposals. 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.600 - One proposal, leave as is and this be our recommendation. 00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:17.680 - Proposal two is that we go and just, 00:36:17.680 --> 00:36:21.880 - you just cut X percent from all the ones that are yellow. 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.240 - That's one, that's one option. 00:36:23.240 --> 00:36:24.800 - To get to 10 or to get to 500? 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.140 - To get to 10, right? 00:36:27.140 --> 00:36:32.720 - The option three is that we look over 00:36:32.720 --> 00:36:34.440 - the ones that we highlighted because we looked over them. 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:35.480 - We just take a few minutes. 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.520 - We go over them and just see, because like I'm, 00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:39.800 - so calling out pathways for example, 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:41.360 - what did we recommend for pathways? 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.200 - Plansets. 00:36:42.200 --> 00:36:47.200 - Okay, so their priority one was 14, six, two, four. 00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:53.440 - And priority two was 11, three, seven, six. 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.040 - That's how we got to 26. 00:36:56.040 --> 00:36:58.100 - So, you know, we could, for example, 00:36:58.100 --> 00:37:00.160 - just solve this whole problem by saying, 00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:05.160 - we'll just fund priority one as one example. 00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:08.080 - I'm actually here with that, too. 00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:11.960 - Take the $1000 off, give them 20,000 even, 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.360 - then we're down to five, 10. 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:18.160 - Yeah, that's just one example, right? 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:23.160 - And we had, you know, of these ones that are under here, 00:37:23.160 --> 00:37:27.640 - I mean, or we could say that we don't wanna fund WonderLev, 00:37:27.640 --> 00:37:28.800 - and then some had proposed that. 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.500 - So I'm just throwing it up there of things that we don't. 00:37:32.500 --> 00:37:33.760 - I just think 20,000 of pathways 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.520 - is still gonna be a lot of money, 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:38.560 - but aren't you gonna get where they need to get? 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:40.780 - Still approximately 50%, yeah. 00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:43.540 - So that would be my proposal. 00:37:43.540 --> 00:37:46.420 - I still put it closer to the 10 that we want. 00:37:46.420 --> 00:37:48.340 - And it gets us to that place 00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:50.620 - where I personally feel comfortable, right? 00:37:50.620 --> 00:37:55.620 - So we go, and that puts us at five, 10, five million. 00:37:55.620 --> 00:38:03.300 - And so we'd be asking for an additional appropriation 00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:07.500 - of $10,377 and somehow 27 cents. 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:11.980 - Somehow 27 cents, let's see what is going on there. 00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:14.060 - There's 48 cents from Beacon, 00:38:14.060 --> 00:38:19.060 - and there's 60 cents from Healing Hands, 00:38:19.060 --> 00:38:21.020 - and there's 90 cents from New Leave. 00:38:21.020 --> 00:38:22.460 - Okay, okay, well. 00:38:22.460 --> 00:38:26.980 - There's 89 cents from Susie's Place. 00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:31.980 - Right, so colloquially, are we happy, five, 10, 377? 00:38:32.740 --> 00:38:34.740 - I am. - I am, yes. 00:38:34.740 --> 00:38:38.740 - Okay, could somebody motion then for us to, 00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:41.140 - I will entertain a motion of some sort. 00:38:41.140 --> 00:38:43.620 - If I could interrupt, 00:38:43.620 --> 00:38:45.460 - I think we should do three different votes 00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:46.940 - because of the conflicts. 00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:49.900 - One vote for SCAP's allocation, 00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:51.100 - one vote for New Leave, 00:38:51.100 --> 00:38:53.580 - and then third vote for everything else. 00:38:53.580 --> 00:38:55.380 - Excellent, agreed. 00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:56.220 - Okay. 00:38:56.220 --> 00:38:58.060 - All right, thank you. 00:38:58.060 --> 00:39:02.300 - And should they leave the room for those votes? 00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:03.140 - Yes. 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:04.980 - Okay, will you both leave the room? 00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:08.220 - One at a time because that was the sample. 00:39:08.220 --> 00:39:11.500 - So I will entertain a motion. 00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:16.500 - I'll move that we fund SCAP, where's the money? 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:19.540 - 30,000. 00:39:19.540 --> 00:39:22.220 - Yeah, maybe this would be appropriate 00:39:22.220 --> 00:39:26.180 - given the clerk's need for a document from New Leave. 00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:30.340 - So we could use this rubric ultimately after this meeting. 00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:32.620 - So you could entertain a motion 00:39:32.620 --> 00:39:35.860 - to approve funding recommendation for SCAP 00:39:35.860 --> 00:39:37.980 - as set forth on the main Jack Hawkins 00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.020 - recommendation rubric. 00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:43.500 - In this case, it is 30,000 nobs. 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:44.940 - Yes, what did she say? 00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.260 - Your SCAP. 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.340 - (laughs) 00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:54.300 - A motion to approve funding recommendation for SCAP. 00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:56.940 - As set forth on the main Jack Hawkins 00:39:56.940 --> 00:40:01.940 - recommendation rubric in the amount of $30,000. 00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:06.820 - Second? 00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:07.660 - Second. 00:40:07.660 --> 00:40:09.620 - Okay, we have a motion and a second. 00:40:09.620 --> 00:40:11.140 - All those in favor say aye. 00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:11.980 - Aye. 00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:14.140 - Okay, any opposed? 00:40:14.140 --> 00:40:15.740 - Any abstaining? 00:40:15.740 --> 00:40:20.140 - That motion passes unanimously. 00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:20.980 - (laughs) 00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:25.620 - Unanimously, okay, now we'll do new life. 00:40:25.620 --> 00:40:30.620 - You could leave, you could call Eddie back. 00:40:30.620 --> 00:40:36.540 - Okay, do you guys want any waiting room on the main? 00:40:36.540 --> 00:40:37.500 - In the Zoom? 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:38.340 - In the Zoom. 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:39.380 - I don't see anyone. 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:42.860 - Okay, I got a text that someone was in the waiting room. 00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:45.420 - Oh, okay, I'll let somebody in on a little bit ago. 00:40:45.420 --> 00:40:48.500 - Okay, thank you for the investigation. 00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:51.160 - I'll entertain a motion at this point. 00:40:51.160 --> 00:40:56.700 - So this would be a motion to approve funding recommendation 00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:59.700 - for new life as set forth on the main 00:40:59.700 --> 00:41:02.420 - Jack Hopkins recommendation rubric. 00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:06.700 - I'll make that motion again. 00:41:06.700 --> 00:41:07.860 - So moved. 00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:09.980 - Yes, thank you, I'll second. 00:41:09.980 --> 00:41:12.180 - Okay, we have a motion and a second. 00:41:12.180 --> 00:41:13.940 - All those in favor say aye. 00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:14.780 - Aye. 00:41:14.780 --> 00:41:16.500 - Any opposed? 00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:19.940 - Any abstaining, the motion passes unanimously. 00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:20.780 - We could ask. 00:41:20.780 --> 00:41:23.860 - Was there a dollar amount in that motion? 00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:28.860 - The rubric shows that the dollar amount is $6,328. 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:32.580 - 90 cents. 00:41:32.580 --> 00:41:33.860 - In 90 cents, correct. 00:41:33.860 --> 00:41:35.900 - In the motion that was made, sorry. 00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:36.740 - No. 00:41:36.740 --> 00:41:37.560 - Okay, thank you. 00:41:37.560 --> 00:41:42.620 - Okay, I'll get somebody. 00:41:42.740 --> 00:41:45.500 - (mouse clicking) 00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:50.700 - All right, now that we're all together 00:41:50.700 --> 00:41:53.940 - and we have the remaining recommendations, 00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:56.020 - I'll entertain a motion. 00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:59.380 - We'll have a total amount, so. 00:41:59.380 --> 00:42:00.220 - We're fine. 00:42:00.220 --> 00:42:02.860 - Oh yeah, I mean. 00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:05.900 - I can get a total amount without those two. 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:08.780 - It's okay if we didn't use amounts in the last one. 00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:12.700 - This as on the rubric currently will suffice. 00:42:12.700 --> 00:42:17.740 - I move to allocate funding for the, 00:42:17.740 --> 00:42:20.940 - as reflected in the main Jack Hopkins recommendation rubric 00:42:20.940 --> 00:42:23.940 - in the amount of $510,377.27. 00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:30.340 - All right. 00:42:30.340 --> 00:42:34.460 - Well, that includes SCAP and that includes everything. 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:36.060 - You can't see it on my screen, 00:42:36.060 --> 00:42:41.060 - but the amount without those two is $474,048 and 37 cents. 00:42:41.060 --> 00:42:42.580 - It's kind of hard. 00:42:42.580 --> 00:42:45.220 - We don't, I mean, we can just say that. 00:42:45.220 --> 00:42:47.540 - Just say that, it'll make it easier. 00:42:47.540 --> 00:42:51.820 - Funding recommendations for as set forth 00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:56.380 - on the main Jack Hopkins recommendation rubric, 00:42:56.380 --> 00:42:58.900 - absent SCAP and do live. 00:42:58.900 --> 00:42:59.740 - So moved. 00:42:59.740 --> 00:43:02.580 - Okay, we have a motion with a second. 00:43:02.580 --> 00:43:03.820 - All those in favor say aye. 00:43:03.820 --> 00:43:04.660 - Aye. 00:43:04.660 --> 00:43:05.760 - Any opposed? 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:13.180 - All right, so we have made the recommendations. 00:43:13.180 --> 00:43:16.540 - What else is needed from us before we adjourn? 00:43:16.540 --> 00:43:19.620 - Just a couple of reminders, I guess, that are on here. 00:43:19.620 --> 00:43:22.980 - The anticipated city council action 00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:26.460 - on these recommendations is next Wednesday, the 21st. 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:31.080 - So funding agreements will be drafted before then. 00:43:31.080 --> 00:43:33.780 - And then the funding agreements will be due 00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.180 - from the organizations on June 11th, 00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:38.660 - no later than Wednesday, June 11th. 00:43:38.660 --> 00:43:40.580 - And then there's a hand technical assistance meeting 00:43:40.580 --> 00:43:42.980 - for those grantees on June 16th. 00:43:42.980 --> 00:43:47.180 - Yeah, and please remember the debriefing meeting next week. 00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:48.020 - Next Tuesday. 00:43:48.020 --> 00:43:51.820 - We'll have a report of the committee prepared 00:43:51.820 --> 00:43:56.420 - for the committee to potentially approve and sign. 00:43:56.420 --> 00:43:58.060 - The signatures are required under the 00:43:58.060 --> 00:43:59.260 - Bloomington Municipal Code. 00:43:59.260 --> 00:44:02.620 - And then that would be presented to council 00:44:02.620 --> 00:44:04.300 - on May 21st. 00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:07.100 - And I'll draft that for us. 00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:11.140 - One, you know, to it easier if you have two days, 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:11.980 - I can draft it. 00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:14.020 - (laughing) 00:44:14.020 --> 00:44:15.560 - Actually, you have to draft it. 00:44:15.560 --> 00:44:16.860 - I have to draft it. 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.180 - You've already done so? 00:44:18.180 --> 00:44:19.220 - The presentation. 00:44:19.220 --> 00:44:22.820 - You did a presentation last year, I've prepared one. 00:44:22.820 --> 00:44:24.980 - Is that something you'll do again this year? 00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:25.820 - Sure, yeah. 00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:26.660 - Okay. 00:44:26.660 --> 00:44:29.580 - If you can send a draft report, then we can add, 00:44:29.580 --> 00:44:33.620 - you know, so because we need to get that ready for Wednesday 00:44:33.620 --> 00:44:35.140 - and we're meeting on Tuesday. 00:44:35.140 --> 00:44:35.980 - Right. 00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:37.460 - Yeah, so I thought we were, 00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:39.980 - I thought this went, was on the last meeting of the year 00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:42.620 - rather than this time of Wednesday. 00:44:42.620 --> 00:44:47.180 - Hi, Jeremy, can I leave a comment on that since it's- 00:44:47.180 --> 00:44:49.800 - Yeah, so sorry, I didn't have to leave early then. 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.380 - I didn't have any thoughts to make it to you. 00:44:51.380 --> 00:44:53.740 - All right, you're fine. 00:44:53.740 --> 00:44:57.580 - So we'll now, no, we should have done that before. 00:44:58.540 --> 00:45:02.940 - Sorry, let's open up for public comment 00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:05.460 - if there's any public comment. 00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:09.820 - Everybody online like to make a public comment? 00:45:09.820 --> 00:45:14.300 - Anybody in the room like to make a public comment? 00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:20.900 - Okay, seeing none, I will now call this meeting. 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:21.740 - Thank you all.