- Oh, I call to order, thank you. I thought me saying we were starting was good enough. I call to order
- tonight's Jack Hopkins committee meeting. Okay, so we don't have a lot on the agenda tonight, but it
- is gonna be a fairly longer process. So the three things that I wanted to cover tonight was number one,
- I have a date adjustment for one of our meetings.
- And then before we jump into the apps, I'd like us to review the rubric. I know we had at the end of
- last committee last year for 2025, we had a bit of a debate about some of the rubric issues. I thought,
- if nothing else, let's talk about how we're proceeding to the categories. So you're all on the same
- page and then introduce Catherine to the rubric as well. And we'll all just talk through it so that
- we are grading
- equally. And then finally, we'll begin the app review. Now I know we didn't have access to the actual
- applications, but Aria put a ton of work into that lovely spreadsheet for us. And just to give us a
- head start, and we can just start going through one by one and having those conversations and figuring
- out what questions do we have about their proposals and also are there any that we know right off the
- bat that we want to eliminate and
- Who do we ultimately want to invite for a presentation for our next time? All sound good? Awesome.
- Thank you. Should we wait on ESOC for the date adjustment, though? Because I want to make sure everybody
- can chime in for that. It's just our allocation meeting is two nights before my son's graduation. And
- I won't be able to do that long meeting
- to next before the graduation. What's that? Oh, sorry. It's May 28. This is the date of the allocation
- meeting. So we can talk about, hopefully, finding a date that works for everybody. But I'll wait until
- Isak gets here so we don't schedule something he can't do. So let's take a look at the rubric. I'm going
- to pull up the rubric from last year on my computer. Aria, do you have access to the rubrics? Awesome.
- Okay, thank you. There we go. It's this one, right? Yeah, that's it. Perfect. All right. So there we go. So
- I'm assuming we all want to stick with a rubric again. I know last year was the first year we did the
- rubric. Nobody seemed to have any objections overall to using rubric last year. Has anybody's mind changed
- drastically? No, I just think we needed to tweak some bits. I think the rubric was helpful. It made
- things a little bit less unfair. Yes, I think so too.
- What I liked about it was that even though we noticed by the end of the allocation meeting last year
- that several of us were interpreting some of the categories differently, and yet we all still were kind
- of coming to the same, more or less, the same outcomes. So I think in that way, yes, it was really helpful.
- OK, here's my rubric. So organization amount requested.
- What we filled in starts over with partial funding, right? Did we fill in, before that, the grant type,
- priority population? I don't remember. I don't think we filled that in. I think that was filled out
- for us. I think so, yeah. Okay. So with the partial funding, project location,
- emergency services, residents served lasting contribution, number of full-time staff, community partnerships.
- And then we had that bonus category, which some of us struggled with, I think. Were any of these categories
- completely unhelpful to anybody? Or did you have strong feelings against any of these categories?
- The lasting contribution, I remember, was kind of giving me some issues because I think I was making
- some judgment calls on what is a lasting contribution, a direct one indirectly. So I don't necessarily
- have a problem with this category, but we can define what each of these in the meaning, so that way
- we're consistent. Because if I was having trouble, I can imagine maybe someone had a different idea of what
- each of those things, then the rubric's not as helpful as a good read. Right. I agree. I struggled with
- that one, too, because I felt like, well, in a way, you could argue they were all last e-computers.
- So it was very subjective. In fact, all of them, but a few I have marked as yes, directly.
- Yeah, I agree. I mean, I started with, is the funding going to go to some kind of capital improvement
- for building? That would be obviously tangible and lasting, but is it going to go to something that
- is going to basically possibly affect people in a way that may be novel or isn't being addressed? Well,
- that's lasting too, because it's likely to.
- So it really does need to be impacted a little bit. I mean, what I found helpful was when we had all
- of these filled out and we all just basically discussed amongst ourselves, like how we interpreted this.
- It was very helpful to me to find out where people were landing. And I actually adjusted my scores a
- bit on that basis, I think. So anyway, this is really a good place, I think, for a first take, is to
- have that word worked.
- But that is fuzzy. That topic is fuzzy. Yeah. I agree. Actually, I have a question about the number
- of full-time staff as an indicator of fundraising capacity. I remember in our first conversation, there
- was a young girl who had submitted a project. But of course, she didn't have any staff. So I don't know
- if I necessarily agree with that indicator. The rest of them make sense to me.
- Okay, I said that I The full-time staff I don't agree with because I just don't think that that every
- single organization will have full-time staff. Yeah What heading a heading home plan is for example, I'm
- Definition would be helpful for for someone who's new like me So the definition for What would be helpful
- for someone like you? I'm sorry, um the the under the community partnerships tab or Section it says
- I really struggled with as well. Okay Yeah, I just don't know what that is No
- Okay, so Any Home is an organization in town that is working towards eliminating homelessness. And I
- think it was used as an example of what a community partnership like teaming up with someone rather
- than trying to tackle a problem alone. I think part of the issue was there are some organizations who
- don't work collaboratively,
- with the rest of us and it makes it difficult for us to fund them. They may be duplicating services
- and or they are not doing it efficiently for someone else to do it better. So I think that was part
- of the community partnerships. Does that sound correct? Okay. And heading home was just an example because
- they're doing a lot in this community right now
- they are very good at bringing in organizations to work with them. So I think that was just an example,
- not a prerequisite of being a community learner. So, because I haven't seen the applications yet,
- do you know, Aria or Sophia, if you've seen the applications, is there a question on there that would
- somewhat help us determine community partnerships?
- I mean, first thing I can spend just the collaborative ones, but that's like a separate thing,
- I feel like, like an indicator, but there's no question that was really, like, do you work all the groups?
- Yeah. I feel like that might just be like a dead end. Yeah. Cause I felt like that was, that was one
- that I had a hard time finding the information for. I mean, did, did anybody have tips? Cause I just
- approach it wrong. I mean, you know, something in the work.
- So I am familiar with the partners. I'm familiar with the one, I'm not going to put anyone out, but
- familiar with the ones that are harder to enter the table. So I have those like internal bias, right?
- That internal bias. So that's just me, but I'm not sure some folks here know other organizations better
- than others. They know, yeah, they're out there on the farm. So. Yeah. But you've got an institutional
- knowledge that the rest of us
- don't necessarily. A lot of it was like main rock and boom is that I was looking for this like, like
- the leveraging resources so I don't have any money left on me. Yeah. Outside of like things I was already
- learning. Yeah. Okay, so the lasting contribution, number of full-time staff and community partnerships
- are the three that are in question right now. I think, yes. I'll just jump in real quick if I can and
- just say, I think last time around I used the lasting contribution
- of category rating as a way to help me with the trouble I had with the fact that you could have, or
- at least I, could have a series of scores that added up for two different agencies to a similar total,
- but for any of various reasons, I felt
- Much stronger that one just did something that was more urgent or more important overall Even though
- this might have had the similar number of people impacted Same number they could have been the same
- in a lot of ways but I was looking for ways to like somehow give those projects that I just felt were
- just more We're just just contributed more were just more important and I think I last seen contribution
- was one of the places where I
- I kind of gave use that to be able to give more weight to projects that scored similar similarly, but
- I thought were actually not that comparable in terms of their overall potential, uh, beneficial impact.
- See what I'm saying? Yeah. So almost like you saved it till later. And then if there were one score
- similarly, you used it almost like a tiebreaker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I like that. That, that makes
- some sense. I mean,
- I think, again, with these rubrics, we're all going to have our slightly own approach,
- you know, interpretations of things. I like that. I could see using that as a helpful way to score that
- category. Yeah. And really what I think we're talking about, too,
- With that particular category, which I feel like I see differently now when I saw it last year is really
- the level of measure ability of impact at the end of the day. And so we're looking at direct versus
- indirect. It's like, okay, the direct impact of fixing the floors that and this house like for a long
- term long term impact of that is very tangible.
- versus like paying for six months of a caseworker at the Beginner Recovery Alliance, how do we like
- understand what the spillover effects are of that? And so that is like where to interact these phones
- in. So it's like, I think that a lot of it's looking at how they talk about the measurability of, and
- what the evidence they present of research based on like the impact of like, okay, this caseworker will
- increase in fact being with six months because,
- Yes, you know? Yeah. That does. But I feel like that's also kind of hard to... I mean, I think that
- helps with us, or it helps me with defining what the category means, you know, kind of putting that
- definition, like Eddie said, you should start out with figuring out, defining that. Does anybody else
- disagree with kind of taking that approach to lasting contribution or defining it
- a bit in that way and then figuring out how to move forward with that category. All right, I hope that's
- clearer. It feels clearer for me. Okay. And then, yeah, number of full-time staff as an indicator of
- fundraising capacity. You're right, that's kind of arbitrary. But we're getting more points
- who have less staff and have less bandwidth. We are giving an extra point to people who are doing, I
- won't say doing more with less, but kind of that reason, right? I mean, we're knocking an organization
- my size that have a lot of employees versus some other folks. So maybe we need to dial in on that a
- little bit better because
- 10 to 25 and 25 plus have the same amount of points. So it, yeah. Well, do we want to turn the 25 plus
- more to a red where it's like medium low to 2.5? I don't know if that would totally mess up the math
- on the charts.
- Honestly, I feel like this, I heard this is a really good conversation that I think you could regard
- good insight on in the sense that like it goes back to what our mission is ultimately like if we're
- trying to disseminate more funding to other resource organizations, then that change is like how we
- look at it. This is like, I don't know what you think being part of like a larger organization that
- also works with a lot of other resource organizations.
- Just to make it easier, maybe you've seen it staff didn't apply for a grant this year. So I feel more
- comfortable kind of weighing in on this. So I definitely think larger organizations should be penalized.
- But I think zero to 10 should be its own category. And then 10 to 50 is yellow and then
- 15 and above is, I mean, these are arbitrary, but I think that definitely we should reward organizations
- that are trying to do, because if they have less staff, it's probably because they're trying to do something
- newer, right? They're a new organization. They don't have the history some of the other organizations
- do. Yeah. I think, actually,
- I realized it was not like an algorithm, it doesn't do the math for you. If we just market red, we're
- the ones who are adding it up in our head. So if we add a 50 plus box that then chooses red, that's
- easy enough to. Yeah, we can edit it.
- I don't know if that has to happen during this meeting, but I'm thinking that's not what we're talking
- about. So I can make edits and mark where you distribute if that would be helpful. Oh, cool. Thank you.
- Yeah, I was just looking to edit on the Google Sheets so that's easy to edit and change those numbers
- too. So does that sound, Catherine, does that sound like that makes sense and like might be a fair approach
- for the full-time staff? Yeah, I think it's a fair approach and it also helps with context. Yes. Yeah.
- Yeah. Thank you, Eddie, for giving your insights. That is helpful. And then I think, yeah, maybe we
- add 50 plus gets a red box. Yeah. They have less points because they could spare staff. Not necessarily,
- but we may have more staff that can do more fundraising for that particular organization. So for scoring,
- are you thinking the same, like, green is one, yellow is half a point, and red is mirror points?
- Yeah, but last year I had this issue where a lot of my scores were very similar to each other. So it
- was very hard for me to, so I was going through everything, I was allocating money. Then I got to this
- category where everyone had the same score and I couldn't, and I admittedly couldn't find anyone else
- because I couldn't make a big decision. So maybe we need to add another color in there.
- Um, like maybe green gets two points now, and then yellow gets a point when there's a half point when
- there's no points. And that might need, that might have a wider range of sports that we can choose perfectly
- from. Yeah. But then it doesn't match a traffic one. And that's not as easy to. Yeah. I, I can see doing two, one.
- half and zero points. So like thinking about this one as an example, so zero to 10 would be two, 11
- to 15 would be one, and then 15 and above would be half? 15 and 99, half. Okay. Okay, thank you. Okay,
- and then the
- The really tough one in my brain was the community partnerships. But the question isn't asked on the
- application. Maybe you should just start this one from our rubric. I would be fine with that. Yeah,
- it's not specific for you. Is anybody attached to the community partnerships question? I understand
- the intent of it.
- But it's something that is, I found so tricky last year. It's not directly on gender assets. Yeah,
- I mean, 100%. Yeah. Does anybody feel differently about striking it? So we're not going to use it to
- evaluate at all? Is it? Or? I just want to. So the groups applying had that likely intention that we
- were going to use that as a, right?
- I don't think so because it's not a question in the application. If they were paying attention to the
- rubric last year, maybe? Because I think I know some groups that might have been looking for community
- partners but couldn't find them and then were dissuaded from applying for that reason. Well,
- one of the... I'm so sorry. Well, just to say that I'm not opposed to that because I think it's problematic
- too and obviously they found it to be problematic.
- Um, but, um, don't feel unfair. Well, I'm just kind of changing, changing things up. So maybe, maybe
- we don't use it as part of the rubric, but we, but we keep it in mind as we go ahead and discuss these
- things. I don't know about the bonus. Category that we can award bonus books, which I hated. Well, but
- maybe you hate the bonus.
- I did because I was like, that just feels like it's us putting our thumb on the scale. I like this.
- Or I felt something, you know, just a personal bias we could put in. Like we didn't have, um, I felt
- like we didn't have really good guidance on what, I know it says right there, like, yeah, we can, we
- have flexibility, but maybe we can come up with certain categories. Like, did they specify community
- partnership? They can give us, you know, did they have X, Y, or Z?
- that can get, you can consider giving them a bonus for that. Would that make you feel better about striking
- the community partnerships as a forced gradient? Yeah, that's sort of a good compromise, I think. Do
- you guys agree? You're finding it difficult with, you know, sort of changing things sort of midstream
- or, but then again, it doesn't appear
- Yeah, because I mean we hadn't approved a rubric before the applications went out so
- I get both sides, I do. All right, I think I vote to strike community partnerships. And I think my logic
- last year during that was just like the required piece about the heavy metal plan. But like, I don't
- think I had a full understanding of what that meant. And so I tried to overgeneralize it. So that's
- what required me.
- I don't want to take up too much more time because I know we have a lot of applications to go through,
- but do we want to quickly maybe come up with a list of what we would consider in the bonus category,
- such as community partnerships? I think they're explicitly apparent. Any other ideas for what we might
- give a bonus point for? Maybe give it to one of the applications
- which I know we're going to go through this in a little bit, but if, can we determine if they've ever,
- for some of these organizations, I think every organization that applies at some point has received
- the Jack Hopkins grant, a successful one. Can we give a point to organizations that have never received
- the Jack Hopkins grant, if it's a ready application and then they get a point for being made and eventually made a,
- to help with their work. We've got something on fire. To try to help get some new blood into the...
- I think that the problem isn't... At least last few years, we've funded new stuff, so that way we have
- a rubric and we can differentiate between organizations, maybe giving points to
- the organization that never received a grant from us, so. Yeah. Well, Courtney, do you have problems
- with one of the groups who also is a first-time applicant? I feel like you recuse yourself. I was going
- to bring it up after this, so thank you for reminding me.
- Any other feelings on like considering first timers for a bonus? You know, there's just like half a
- point. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I agree with that idea. Or just because you're
- a new. I mean, are arguably you could just do the opposite. You could say established, well-connected,
- proven agencies
- actually are more likely to do more bang for the buck with their grant because of their experience and
- their connection and their history. So I'm not suggesting we do more for that, but one could make that
- argument, I think. That's a valid argument, but at the same time, organizations that are successful
- at fundraising who can't give more bang for the buck, this is a
- a finite, and at the end of the day, you know, a lot of these organizations are getting a ton of money
- to do things that I think a newer organization or a small organization can benefit from what they would
- consider a substantial grant as opposed to a bigger organization where it's just, you know, they're
- going to do good work with it, but it just feels strongly about trying to help out organizations
- or potentially doing something new that no one else is. So just to be clear, are you suggesting, I'm
- a little confused, maybe I'm not keeping you up, but are you suggesting adding an entirely new column
- for that purpose or just using a bonus that it would be part of the- It could be part of the bonus.
- Because I could see that being very helpful because I was doing that anyway last year and I was thinking,
- wow, this is something completely
- I mean, this fills a niche that nobody else is doing. Maybe we're just sort of refining innovation.
- I was just going to say it does say innovation. So maybe this is how we're defining, partly defining
- innovation, you know, an older organization. Oh, go ahead, Catherine. It could also be, I mean, a large
- organization that's innovative and has never applied for a grant before. That's very good. Yeah.
- or even an organization that has applied and won before, but they're doing something totally out of
- box that we've not seen before. I see what Eddie's saying though, because it tends to be the same groups
- are pulling in, they kind of parking and request a certain amount and pretty soon, it becomes kind of
- fossilized and
- I mean, if anything, if the rubric helps bring some people off to the top, because if everyone has the
- same scores, we're going to hit all these folks, give money to a lot of the same people, which that's
- not necessarily a problem. I'm not saying all these organizations are doing a lot of stuff for our community.
- But if we can give points to folks so that way they kind of rise to the top because they are new, they
- are trying to do something different,
- I think that's something that we can talk about and it wouldn't be a ton of points. I mean, we're talking
- about like a half a point, but that might make a difference where we recognize someone. Eddie, can I
- ask you then, do you have a feeling that any new program or agency is going to be
- Automatically disadvantaged in the other rubric categories because they don't have some of these things.
- There's going to be hard to score them high in some areas, maybe. So this helps. This would help offset
- some of that. I mean, you know, maybe. Yeah. Okay. I get it. Yeah. I do feel like the bonus column is
- also very subjective. So.
- I think, again, it kind of comes down to, we're all gonna have our own rules for how we're interpreting
- certain things. And so, you know, I may be giving a bonus point for community partnerships where somebody
- else doesn't think it's important and they're not gonna give a bonus point for partnerships. So I think
- that's then how it all comes out in the wash at the end of the day when we do our allocation meeting
- and we talk through everything. That's where the negotiation part comes in. I feel better having a little more
- just having had the conversation about some of these categories to see, to take everybody's temperature,
- how are they thinking about each of these and helping give me ideas for how to think about them and
- make sure we're not, you know, like marbles running off in completely separate directions. Are there
- any other ideas for the bonus category that anybody thinks are worth keeping in mind about awarding
- a bonus point or half a point for?
- Well, I feel like that covers the rubric. Wait, I have one more thing that I remember. I just remember
- came up. What was that? For residents served, we started talking about looking at that as a ratio versus
- a number, a ratio of number of residents served to ASC. I think we brought that up. Oh, yes. Okay. You
- mean like, so it's important. Yeah, serving a lot of,
- Residents with a small ass versus a few residents with a large ass. Yeah. And maybe that's not even
- something that's like, I don't know how important we want to classify that, but like, you know, like
- if they're asking for a certain amount, but our own serving or 10 people versus like that kind of thing,
- just because that fits under specifically what we're talking about in the guidelines, which is like
- maximizing. Yeah. Yeah.
- Can I say something specifically? One of the recommendations that I did think of when I was looking
- at applications was doing like a amount requested for like resident serve, like just simple division.
- And that way you can consider like per person how much is like being allocated. If that would be a full
- bank, that would just be me. I think that would be super helpful. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think that was
- a more powerful number than just that number. Or it tells a different story. Yeah. I mean, I think that's, I think,
- Yes, I think that completes the picture of we have the category of residents served that we plug that
- in. Oh, yeah. It helps it on both sides, potentially. We can keep that one and then add the ratio. Yeah.
- So if we could do that, that would be amazing. Cool. OK. All right. Are we good on the rubric then for
- now? Is that feeling pretty set?
- Awesome, thank you. So we will get that updated. And then I know you're putting it in the chat.
- I can have it. Yeah, yeah, I can make that and send it back to you. That's nice. Awesome, thank you.
- Okay, cool. So we are set with that. Isak is still not here. I think he texted. Okay, he's on his way.
- All right, he's on his way. So let's quickly do Cameron's
- Um conflict of interest. Does she need to like she's going to need to sign something or you don't know
- council stuff. Yeah, it is. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you can like officially declare it in
- the meeting now and then um I declare I have a uh conflict of interest with silver lining rescue because
- of my longer board. Thank you. So we will just have you
- It does recuse me as soon as I step out. And I appreciate you bringing it up when we were discussing
- an issue that would actually specifically affect your innovation. So that was great. And now I lost
- my cheat sheet for tonight. So bear with me.
- So we'll move on to, we'll get started with, actually, let's talk about the allocation meeting date.
- Right now we have it on Thursday, the 28th of May. I would like to propose moving it to Tuesday, the
- 26th of May for the same time. I know we had, I believe we had some conflicts with Tuesdays because
- there was teaching, maybe there were classes at the time,
- It's the end of May, so I'm hoping all those classes would be over. Would anybody have a conflict with
- moving into that Tuesday, the 26th of May? I may be traveling. OK. But I could potentially be Zooming
- as I'm traveling. Mm-hmm. So I could set up a hotspot. I know it's right after Memorial Day weekend.
- But I could make it work, I think. Or I might be already at my destination soon. OK. Oh, you mean like
- actively in transit? I have a long drive that day. I see. But I might have arrived. Where are you driving
- to? I've got a nine hour drive. What about Monday? It's Memorial Day. Yeah, Monday's Memorial Day.
- Yeah. So anyway, so it works from anywhere. Yeah. Okay. I just want to tell you, I'm very busy. Okay.
- Very much busy. Does anybody else have a potential conflict with that? Tuesday, May 26, if we did from
- six to nine for that one. Okay. Okay. Well, about, yes.
- The only other thing not related to, well, because you have the notion for that one or that one.
- I think so. Let me, you know what? I'm going to quickly test Esau before we set it. Sure. I'll see if
- I can get him. Yes. I think he's sad, too. I looked at last year's conflict of interest form. You might
- want to maybe run this by the council attorney then. It looks like it's only if there's a financial
- gain. It's a financial conflict of interest.
- I'm not going to turn in, so please double check that. But at the same time, I don't think it's harmful.
- There's nothing from last year. And I'm not in the folder, so I don't think that's helpful. I was just
- a little too involved in helping them build that together, but I didn't feel comfortable. If you're
- not paid, that should be fine. OK. But if you'd like to have a checklist chair, I would recommend double
- checking. I will. Thank you.
- Okay. Sorry, this is obnoxious, I know. Our allocation meeting on May 28th to that Tuesday,
- May 26th instead, question mark. My husband gets so mad when I do my talk to text when I'm messaging
- people, but it's so much faster.
- and so much fewer typos. Oh, okay. And also while we're waiting, I looked at the last meeting memo and
- I don't believe you all voted on the agenda. So I don't think you would need to make another motion
- today. We change it. Okay, great.
- E Sox says he can move it. So let's go ahead and officially move. We'll cancel May 28th and schedule
- for May 26th. Thank you, everybody. I really appreciate it. There was no vote. Okay, motion.
- I think he sucks trying to get out of coming. He keeps asking me, are you almost done? Do I still need
- to come? I'm like, we haven't even started yet. Okay. Thank you. So now we can move on to the,
- uh, applications. Very fun. I'm going to pull up my sheet. Was everybody able to access their sheet?
- So the ones that I sent, you guys won't be able to edit, but you can save your own copy and download
- it and then open it up on your own with edit abilities so that you can make notes on it. You can click
- invite to interview. I have my copy here somewhere. Sorry, I thought I had it all pulled up.
- mine in alphabetical order, so I'm out of order of probably how everybody else is looking at it. Yes.
- Andy likes that one. I wouldn't even have known how to have done that. I live in Google Sheets. I organize
- my whole life around them. Okay. Which one is first on the sheet? Can I just ask something real quick?
- Yes. If I'm looking at everything and it's complete,
- The sheet, the total request is only $520,000 or there about. I thought it was almost $700,000.
- Is it $700,000? Maybe I added it wrong because I was going through and adding it. Did anyone add it
- up? I did not. The request? I summed it and it was $696,300. Oh, wow. What's the total you got? $696,304.25.
- Okay. All right. I probably don't see a lot of things. Okay. Okay. So that's, oh, you're, yeah, 696
- through the phone. Okay. I guess I have to refuse myself. We need a normal corporation. Ask those board
- directors. Okay. So I am not receiving any financial compensation for it, but
- Okay, great. Thank you for letting us know. Does that make sense? For me, I just like didn't help them
- with the brand. So that's fine. It doesn't affect my salary, but still.
- Okay, better safe than sorry. Yeah, I mean, we still have more than enough people here to make that
- decision. I'm not in there for one. Okay. All right. So the first application was Monroe County Court
- appointed special advocates seeking support to improve our technology infrastructure for our training
- and ongoing office needs.
- Are we able to pull the application? That would be super helpful. Thank you. Are we able to access those
- through our portal? So I had sent an email, I think it was about a month ago, sharing the instruction
- on how to get the access because they'll have to go through and once you get through admin login, they
- set up the account to give you access. I believe maybe two or three people had done that.
- So, yeah, that's kind of the process, but if there's any questions regarding getting access, it would
- be Jeremy, for ITS, and I can share that, you know, if necessary, but otherwise, I can project it out.
- That's awesome. Thank you.
- Let the record show that Council Member Asaru. Was egregiously late then. We're just happy to see you.
- So can I just get clarification like for today, we're just saying we want to review their application.
- If we know we want to refuse right off the bat for whatever reason, or if we want them to present. Some
- of them we know we want to review them, but we don't necessarily think they need to present.
- What was I gonna say? I had a thought and it went away. I hate when that happens. I felt like it was
- something important. Yeah, three o'clock in the morning. Love to call each other and be like, I know
- what it was. Something about doing the application. Okay, nevermind. I'm gonna let it go. All right,
- so Isak, we just started.
- Um, so we are on Monroe County court pointed special advocates. I had a question. One of the things
- that I thought was one of our rules is that you can move hard once as a single entity.
- Looks like New Leaf New Life had two applications. One was collaborative. One was collaborative? I don't
- know if I can double check that. Okay, so that, okay. Never mind that. That's great. All right. So Menorah
- County Court Appointed Special Advocates. Where are they? I've seen them. What the applications look
- like, yeah?
- Technology infrastructure for our training and on-going office needs youth support. This is CASA, correct?
- Mm-hmm. I don't believe that we need to present. And I don't see why we would ask why we would refuse
- their application. All right. Agreed. All right. So we can just
- them along without we'll just invite no we're not inviting them but we're not refused okay super so
- the next one is pantry 279 ink we did we weren't on that email
- No, I know that to all of you guys, the one that I said, they asked me to get, but yeah. Got it. Yeah.
- Thank you. Yeah. Cause I think we all missed it somehow. Um, he's like, do you want me to forward it
- to you? So pantry 279, food delivery and children's food for their summer program, food, children's
- summer food program, um, and delivering, covering delivery costs.
- So they're asking $12,000. They serve a total of $43,000, but for Bloomington, almost $9,000. Does anybody
- have any questions? Do we think we want them to present? We've not, during our tenure, we've not had
- an application from Pantry 279 to here.
- I don't think we have. I mean, I feel like they're probably pretty straightforward. We probably don't
- have any questions. Now, we also do have the opportunity, the option to do some email questions if we
- don't feel we need people to come in. Yeah, what did we land on last time? What did we land on? Like,
- weren't we between, you know, last week just emailing people? And no presentations? If I remember correctly,
- we felt like most
- questions to be answered with an email. But some organizations... The only question I would have for
- this organization is that when I pull it up in Google, it says that it's based in Ellitsville. Well,
- that was my... Yeah. I don't think it warrants a whole discussion in person, but it'd be a nice email.
- So the director just won, I think, Woman of the Year at the City of Wilmington's
- Um, or one of the awards at the city of Linton's, uh, women's history luncheon. And I know that they
- provide a lot of, um, for Monroe County as a whole. I don't think this one's saying we have a problem,
- but if I could see us interviewing them and asking them direct words and questions, but I, they're,
- they're not into being in town. So.
- Yeah, I mean, that had been my initial thought on them, too. I was like, wait, I thought they were based
- out of Alexville. Can anybody remember better than I can what? What was we took a boat our very first
- time with that thing was to set a threshold for interviews for applicants, including first time applicants.
- So I think the goal was to decide today what that threshold would be.
- Okay, at the time you didn't set a threshold, but I think that was what the goal was once you had an
- idea of what the Africans learned. I see. And it was, I think first timers is what we wanted to, yeah,
- include. So in other words, set like a clear,
- And if people fall within it, they automatically get invited. And if they don't, they automatically
- just get email questions. And you all can determine that as a community today. OK. Actually, what I
- was trying to, my question is, we also had taken a vote on, or no, there was change in the Jack Hoppins
- groups about community they serve, where they're based, whether in Monroe County or specifically in
- Bloomington. That's what I wanted to pull up to try to find
- what that change was. Does anybody on board are talking about? Like if they are, if they don't, because
- it had always been, they had to serve loomies and residents, but then there's a slight change to, they
- have to be based in. It had something to do with that whole, the discussion was around that Hendricks
- County thing, remember? And they've applied again, right?
- They have, but they also have like a branch here in Bloomington. I think the question I think had actually
- revolved around was that the Ellitsville Boys and Girls Club. Yeah. I'm on my own.
- a change. Okay. So we should, okay. So do we need to set that threshold right now as a community and
- then before moving on? That would be a good idea. Yeah. Okay. So I think first timers should automatically
- be asked to give us a presentation or be invited to interview. Does anybody have any other specific
- parameters that think we have to include or we have to exclude. Because anybody we don't include in
- this parameters right now, we can't invite them to. They'll just get email questions. Unless we want
- to reject them, I would say that anybody with a no on within city limits on the spreadsheet should be
- invited to an interview.
- I mean, I suppose that could just be an email where you say, are you, are you in city limits? Like when
- you explain how you're, but also they kind of have to. Yeah. I think that's fair to have them on the
- invite list. Yeah. Okay.
- those the only categories we want to come? The committee shall prioritize funding for programs and projects
- that serve city Bloomington residents and are delivered within the city limits, which I have been
- the rule of the law. That's when we voted for January 7th. Yeah. So they don't need to be in the city.
- They're projects that get the city. Right. It doesn't matter if they're a person. They can be out of
- the city. Yeah. A person from California could apply and say, I'm doing a project in Bloomington and
- I want money to do it and we could grab that. But I'm serving it for, it is serving Bloomington residents.
- Okay. So our parameters are first timers,
- or people who have marked no to being within city limits? So we can ask them more deeply about how they're
- serving women to the city limits. Is there any other category that we feel needs to be included? So
- not be included in part, but like Hendricks County, we know why they're not within city limits.
- at least the Hennepin County folks, Masusi's place did come and talk to us last year. We don't need
- them to get from that, even though they mark them as the words. Can we make an exception that if we've
- interviewed them before, if they qualify for one of these categories, but we've interviewed them within
- the past two years, we can exclude them, or is that too late? No, yeah, I can't really. Okay. That's fine.
- We're kind of blinded in the blind here. Yes, exactly. So we can do that. Yes. All right. Well, then
- does anybody want to make a motion? Are we ready to make a motion? I can't think of any other categories.
- I'm going to be clear. You only want to do this categorically, not like
- That was what we had decided at our last meeting we were going to do. In which case we should also do.
- Okay. And the organizations that said no on candy or fund with partial funding. I don't think anybody
- did say no. One did. I was scrolling through the sheet. No, one did. Oh, one did? Okay. Yeah, one did. Okay.
- All right. I don't feel strongly about this is whether.
- whether all of the collaborations should be interviews, because I think our collaborative application,
- we only have two, I feel like our collaborative application, well, they're also kind of small, nevermind,
- I take it back. We just have those two, now we have, oh no, I was looking at pressure funding. How many
- do we have that are outside of, how many do we know that we can talk to at the top of our head,
- I think we interviewed them last year. We interviewed them either last year or the year. Okay, I'm sorry.
- They don't fall in any of these categories. I think I think the collaborative. Projects should be invited
- to interview as well. To talk about.
- I'd like to see that too. So that was my original thought. But my counterpoint to that is that the two
- collaborative projects at the same time, there's one that's $30,000 and another is $5,000. I would always
- say that collaborative with a threshold of $10,000. But then that's nobody. If you're feeling like the
- app is too small,
- I think it's pretty straightforward versus a big ass thing. I mean, that's the direction we would want
- to go. Did we ask collaborative projects to present Wall Street? Yeah, because the example would be
- to understand the relationship between entities. That's what I thought. We wanted to ask if they liked
- the relationship between the thing they were doing and the collaborative ones.
- I know it's small, but I'd like to hear about the collaboration between New Leaf New Life and Courage
- to Change, just as they both have individual applications in. I don't think we're gonna ask somebody
- to make a comment, so I'm fine with it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just want to understand what we're doing.
- Yeah, yeah, okay, so yeah, we'll leave the collaborative in. So, I'd be ready for a motion at any point.
- So this is a motion to interview
- social service agencies that are first timers that answered no on partial funding, that answered no
- on whether they were within Bloomington and those that have collaborative projects. Is that everything?
- Yes. Thank you.
- Jason. Do I do that? You're the chair. I'm supposed to be the chair. Don't get me. I thought you would
- just type in the motion. All right. I will call the roll. I will start on Zoom. Catherine. Yes. Andy.
- Yes. Dave. Yes. Isaac. Yes. Cameron. Yes. Eddie. Yes. Me. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously.
- Thank you, everybody. Well, now that we've done that, that was really what I thought we were going to
- be doing the bulk of the meeting tonight was going through one by one and determining who we were going
- to invite. Do we want to go through and talk about if there's anybody we want to refuse right after
- that, or do we want to still? We also need to determine what questions we have, right? Yes.
- Did you have a question? Even for the people who are asking, we should probably still send them questions
- that we haven't. OK. And this time, I'm just throwing it out as a suggestion. No, that's good. I'm having
- a crazy time trying to get into this. Go down to the bottom of the sheet and clip lock and not the top
- of the sheet. And locked in.
- I don't have it either. Do I download CSV? Is that going to get me to all the applications? No, not.
- All right. Well, we'll rely on this. I think that's what he has to do from the back end.
- Oh, so none of us can get into it right now. Well, if you just saw him, you'd know because he needs
- to go in and assign you guys like access to it. That's why I got it. Okay. I thought it was a me problem
- because it usually is. Okay. Great. Thank you. I feel better now. So looking at Monroe County court
- appointed special service at special advocates. So pasta.
- training, technology, infrastructure, and office project. They're seeking to support to improve their
- technology infrastructure for their training and ongoing office needs. They are seeking just a little
- over $9,000. They can partially fund. The majority of their services are for Bloomington residents.
- They're within city limits. It's not collaborative. It's youth services.
- Does anybody have any questions about this one off the top of their heads? And they don't qualify for
- any of our invites. So we're not inviting them to interview. So then we did already move on to pantry
- 279 and they are being invited to interview because they are out of city limits.
- Does anybody have any questions off the top of their head that they know they want to ask pantry 279
- specific, but on this application, on the spreadsheet, you see there were density limits. That's what's
- confusing to me. But then all of their public facing information says that it's based in Alexville.
- Yeah, everything I always hear about them. That's the question. Can you just say, where are you located
- and how do you say it? If it's helpful for me to address something at this point. Yes, please.
- In years past, I believe they have been interviewed and it is based on the data that they collect from
- individuals. You have to read your name and then advertise and there's a certain
- amount of time that you are, I think, I don't know if you can go on your day, but they collect that
- data, so that's how they're able to say they served blue business. I see, okay. Even though they're
- not based in Bloomington. That makes sense. So do we also have a mechanism for, and I'm sure this has
- come up in years past, and we've probably discussed it then too, how to make sure the money we're granting
- only goes toward the
- services are provided to the Bloomington residents. Yes, because it's a refund model. So they say what
- they're going to spend and then they make an agreement with the city that they will spend on those things
- and then they get refunded after spending on those things. So that's the that's the that's the mechanism
- right there. So this is just to clarify their street address is actually in Bloomington.
- 47404. And I think when they applied previously, they were in Alexville, but now they look at the city
- limits. So that changes at the end of the Illinois audit. It's up to you. But yeah, just look at their
- address, and it is located 3609 West Cedar Road 46, Luton, and Manor 47404 behind the Arby's.
- That is, okay. That is a right. I see, I see the confusion because that is that lot, like right at the,
- that's where like urban areas. So that is confusing because it is considered Alexville, but it's not
- technically Alexville. I used to live right up behind there. That's why I know. Like, did you say 3609?
- 36 or what? 36, oh, 3609, I'm sorry. West State Road, 46. Oh, yeah, yeah. 4744.
- It is outside city limits because it is technically when I lived back there, we didn't get city services.
- I just checked my building time. Oh, that's easy. Okay, so we definitely will invite them to not to
- make more work. That area does get confusing. Okay. So we know we want to ask them,
- How do you serve Bloomington residents and what was the other one? I think that's the greater one here.
- Is that something though, if I may encounter that we have to bring the, if it's only one question, is
- that warrant a whole like coming in and taking time off or in the evening to do that? Could that just
- be an email?
- Like if it's just, maybe there's a threshold, like it's like one question or is it four questions? That
- pantry 279 was a newer, this was the first application, but we were just told that it's very cheap.
- So yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't see why that name.
- But if they're a new organization, is there something we want to ask them? Or are we just asking them
- to re-litigate, or to re-explain why they're applying? Is there something specific about them being?
- I agree with that. I agree from the application. Anyone want to ask? I totally agree with Catherine's
- point. And maybe once we go over the questions, we can make a motion to exclude folks from the criteria
- if we found that we had no questions.
- and move that upon evaluating questions that we exclude people for whom we don't have more than three
- questions. Well, I mean, they could zoom. It's also one question could be a big question, like how do
- these organizations relate to each other? Yeah, good point. It's just that one question may lead to
- more impact.
- Um, I mean, I'm not, um, Katherine makes a really good point. We don't need to drag somebody into,
- you know, just a simple. We could, we could say that if we have less than three questions, we can vote
- to exclude them, excuse them, not exclude. We'll say excuse them from the criteria, but we could still
- choose to invite them in if we just have one big question.
- I'm going to take an alert to excuse. Does that sound appropriate? Mm-hmm. OK. I'm going to get a motion.
- Oh, the sun moves. OK. Yeah. You can also, at the very end, go back through your list of people that
- you've selected to interview and decide those you choose to excuse. Oh.
- I like it. Okay. I would draw the motion and I, and I moved exactly what the honorable chief said. Okay.
- Well, thank you. Okay. Courage to change sober living. So we'll allow residents.
- to actively engage in monthly or twice monthly recreational and educational pro-social activities in
- and around Bloomington. They're requesting 4.5 thousand. Yes to partial funding. They serve 37 Bloomington
- residents, 37 total residents. So they are within Bloomington city limits. They are not a collaborative
- application.
- questions off the cuff for them. I don't see any. Maybe we hear from them every year and I don't think
- we need to invite them in. Okay. Pathways Inc. holding the line for families support to bridge a sudden
- $750,000 federal funding gap in 2026 to assist
- to sustain proven high impact programs that support families facing housing instability, economic strain,
- and childcare barriers while advancing the city's consolidated plan priorities and long-term financial
- sustainability. They're asking for 50,000. They served 480 Bloomington residents, although their total
- served is 405. I think that question was confusing for a lot of applicants because there's
- quite a bit of people who have that. Yeah. Like discrepancy within the answers. Yeah. They serve more
- Bloomington residents than they serve total people. Yeah, I'm not completely sure what they're... I
- think that happened a couple times last year, too. Yeah. Did we hear from them in the past? Have we?
- They're a family, right? They change their name. That's right. Thank you for the reminder. I don't feel
- like they need to have any of them. Also, no studies. They don't fit our criteria.
- Yeah, they don't they're just under a different name, which is what confused us We're going to be how
- many questions we want to ask them in writing Well, i'd like i'd like to know about that that loss was
- that seven hundred fifty thousand dollars to Just what they did in this community Annually the the money
- they would receive from the federal government. I That just seems like a huge number
- I think that's for the child care vouchers. But I don't know their financials off the top of my head,
- but they may be taking that because of child care voucher, they have to exclude families and or reduce
- services. OK, so maybe that's one for an email for them. Sure. Asking where where did that
- $750,000 number come out of that. Yeah, what does it represent or whatever child care? Yeah, does it
- represent is it from child care vouchers? Is it a national? Yeah federal funding loss Just some details
- on that, okay Anybody else have any other questions that they would like included in the email? I
- email them. Thank you, Andy. Developmental Services Inc. Independence Kitchen Project. This program
- delivers hands-on culinary training to individuals with disabilities and their support staff to promote
- food independence, improve nutritional consistency, and strengthen daily living skills. They are new
- to us, correct? I believe that they are, but at the same time, I think DSI used to be
- options for better learning. And I don't, but I don't think options is required for a few years.
- But I, yeah, I'm not, I don't know how we knew the output process. Does that ring a bell to anybody?
- Developmental services, I think?
- Yeah. I mean, they, they have all over Indiana. Yeah. But I don't see anything about a name change on
- there. They, they bought a device to OBL. Formerly known as Life Design. Life Design. Yeah.
- They've had, they've gone through a couple.
- Have we interviewed them or have they applied before? I don't recall. I don't think they applied before
- ever, but I remember them through the last few years. Yeah. So I think we need to invite them to interview.
- And then what questions do we have for them?
- I'm sorry, I was typing in the comments, like the questions and notes. No, you're on this page. I thought
- it was my copy. No, you're really funny. But that's good, because we need... It's not my personal notes,
- anyway. Okay. I mean, I guess it can just be a very... You're new. Introduce yourselves, please. Tell
- us a bit about yourself. Yeah.
- how you work. Yeah, and I think this is one of being able to go over and understanding more about their
- community partnerships. It's been around since 1981 and no one in this room is familiar with their work.
- I think DSI, the company has been in the country
- as, as, but they, they used to, so they bought out light designs or they merged for black designs and
- line designs. You know, they work with, with, uh, disabilities and in reverse though. So I, I don't
- think they.
- I don't think ESI definitely hasn't applied in the last three years. Yeah, I don't think it's about
- not being familiar with them at all. It's just more like we haven't talked to them, but we've talked
- to most other people who have applied in the past three years. Tell us more about ESI. No, but don't
- you think we should only ask, like, we have the strategy we have.
- Yes, but I do not think that there's anything unclear about what they're asking for. They're asking
- for $2,800 by cookware and they've explained their cookware project. Like knowing who they are to justify
- giving them money for a cookware project, I feel like is not a good enough reason to bring them here.
- And so I'm thinking our question should be focused on understanding
- And also our questions should be focused on our evaluative criteria and who they are has nothing to
- do with how we're choosing to evaluate them. That's fair. Do we have a more concrete record that we
- can do like people who have applied before? Because I feel like that's like, I don't know, I agree with
- you, but it's like if we're talking about who has and hasn't applied, but how do we know? And I know
- a record doesn't exist because we've been given that information, we're given that information like
- first year. Right. So, well, I don't know.
- that it necessarily matters as if they five years ago, none of us were on the committee five years ago.
- So they're new. But like, do we need, I guess my position would be at the end of the day, we have a
- rubric that we've worked on for two years. Yes. We should be asking people to come and talk to us if
- the data that they've given us is not easy to put into our rubric.
- I mean, we're giving them the best chance possible to get sport in it, right? And so- You just motion,
- that's all you're supposed to do. You just motion. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm just thinking,
- as we're thinking through this, if we say, okay, because we decided that we have some criteria, we can
- also change our rules. But it's like, if our criteria is, okay, we're greatly blundered for the first
- time, I guess my question to us is like, how does that bear on our rubric?
- And, and, and so then if we're defaulting back to, well, it's just good for them to have an opportunity
- to talk. Well, then we should default to interview everybody, right? Like, so, so just, um, yeah, I
- don't know. With that in mind, we should tell you what we talked about the rubric. Yeah. So we just
- had three areas that we wanted to kind of tweak, or at least to get on the same page about, um,
- So the lasting contribution, well, you don't have it in front of you, but one of them was lasting
- contribution, where we could rate them, yes, directly, yes, indirectly, minimal, or none. And so we
- all had a bit of difficulty with defining what that meant in terms of lasting contribution, because
- we're all going to process that and interpret it differently. So we just kind of talked through what
- that means for us, so we're all kind of
- closer to being on the same page and how to think about it. So we talk about it in terms of measurability.
- And also, Andy had a good approach to it, too, that he kind of, you know, thinks about saving that for
- last to compare it with other ones that are similarly graded. If they both have, they both grade exactly
- the same, you can kind of use that as a tiebreaker, which one has longer
- impact or lasting contribution of those two that will get the higher points there. So that's how we
- were approaching lasting contribution. Number of full-time staff, right now it's zero through 10 is
- green and 10 through 25 plus is yellow. We're adding a red category there for, it's gonna go 10 through
- 50 is yellow and then 50 plus is red.
- Oh, no, actually, we're adding another partner. Yeah, we're going to do two points to people who have
- less than 10 employees, and then one point to the next category, half a point. To the 50 to 99. And
- then if there's over 100, it gets zero points. We're striking the community partnership question, but
- we're moving that into consideration under focus.
- So if we can determine that there's a community partnership, they can get a bonus point for it. Innovation,
- you know, how brand new or innovative we feel something is, however we want to interpret that. So those
- are kind of the guidelines for bonuses rather than just kind of vibing. Like, I really like them. I'm
- going to throw off vibes here. So that's it. Those were the only notes that I had that I wanted to make
- sure you could also build in on.
- for helping us as we're evaluating based on the rubric for these applications. Sorry. Okay, so back
- to Developmental Services Inc. This has not been charging the whole time. Are you kidding me? How silly.
- I'm okay for now. The real question that I have for them is they report 120
- Residents served and a hundred clients. I'm looking at this. This is a, and must be difficult, especially
- to look at here, but. Aria had brought up earlier that people had had issues with that. There are lots
- of posts made for the state there. What's the possible mistake here? It's pathways service.
- 480 residents, but a total service of 405. So what's the interpretation issue? What's the possible
- explanation? I don't know. Do you have a question phrased? It's literally, thank you. In the human past,
- it's also been what the entity serves, but then what the project has served.
- Right. So that's one example. And then another one here would be, uh, children. Right. Right. So,
- I mean, this could just be, if we want to invite them in, we could ask them to come in and clarify that,
- or we can take care of it a little bit now. Like, can you please clarify because this doesn't add up?
- It could also be like, if it, since it says number of Bloomington residents,
- outside of them. That's what I was wondering. Oh, oh, but this like, I'm not sure. Also, is someone
- taking notes on the questions? Yeah, I am. As we're going to move on to this, the habitat humanity process
- that they serve matter to residents that their total service on will convert
- Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of discrepancy here. I think this is a good email question. Yeah. What I'm
- learning about is that first things across the board, this question, this number we're specifically
- using to assess the ratio that we're scoring or weighting very heavily in our scoring. So it's interactually.
- Exactly. Exactly.
- So I don't know, I mean, that could really be easy. It's like as easy as an email off at all.
- I was gonna say, we're gonna have to just email there. We still need to be clear about these numbers.
- But I think we need. Okay, I think that's fair. We'll just have to figure out how to phrase it so that
- they understand exactly what we're asking to. There was also the e-verify issue. Oh yeah. That would
- probably be to everybody as well, so.
- But that happens by way of giving them the money anyways, right? Yeah, that's why I wanted to ask all
- of you guys today. Just the platform for the website that we confirm it has been not the best. Yeah,
- so we don't have a way to confirm if they are or they aren't. So just a simple notification that they
- would have to be by the time they receive the grant might be helpful. I mean, I think for the email,
- about the numbers, we can just please clarify the total number of Bloomington residents served and the
- total number of people served by this project. And then in parentheses, please note your total number
- of people served should be higher than, higher or equal to. That's it. Yeah. No, we were confused when
- we were going through some of those ones. Yeah. I do remember seeing that on a couple of applications
- previously in other years.
- I'm going, how did I do that? So yeah. So then, do we think we don't need to invite developmental services
- to come in? That feels completely something. I think that it's not necessarily going to work. OK. If
- we want to ask them a question, I had also had a question about this.
- Well, I mean, like if we're so when we're clarifying the numbers, then it becomes really important.
- Like are we saying year long cooking and nutrition program for a hundred unique participants or are
- they're going to be repeated attendees across 24 sessions? I think that's a fair question to bring them
- in. Right. Cause you could have, you could have five, you could have,
- five people doing 24 sessions and then they record it as 100 people or something like, right? So like-
- 100 lessons. Exactly. So is it 24? Is it, you know, like, the math is weird for me. They have 24 sessions,
- 100 people serve, 120 residents affected. So all of their numbers. So I think that would be, that would
- be a very good question to ask them. How many unique individuals will be participating
- and benefiting as opposed to what? So I think very specifically, the question I would ask is one of
- the year long cooking and nutrition program is meant for a hundred unique participants or repeated attendees
- across 24 sessions. Okay, great. That's in the notes. Thank you. So we will invite them to interview
- them. Does anybody have other questions that we should
- But down now for developmental services. Okay. All right. Okay. Goodyear Hills food bank. Supplemental
- healthy food purchasing the purchase.
- food for distribution to city residents through partner agencies that serve them, and through our Bloomington
- neighborhood mobile pantoos. For $40,000, they will accept partial funding. Bloomington residents serve
- $15,000, total served $15,000 within Bloomington city limits. This is not a collaborative application.
- which they don't qualify to be invited in. Yeah. I mean, the only thing is that in that, and this isn't
- anything other than an observation, but they basically need this thing asked every year and it's just
- like straight food, which I support, but it's also just like something worth it. It falls into like
- our concern area because we specifically say we don't want reliance on this funding. Like in terms of
- like different projects here, there's the only thing I would point out, but it is not because they do
- not support.
- That's important. Have you all ever fully funded them? Uh, I don't remember. We got close,
- whatever we got, we got close last year. Yeah, I don't, we've never denied them. But I don't know that
- we fully, fully funded. It's like $36,000. No.
- And as we were trying to allocate for some other organizations. Right. Yeah. Trying to spread it around.
- So the number here matters again, quite a bit. It's a ginormous number. And that's going to, I mean,
- just based off of our rubric, we'll just, just by virtue of that number, that would be very high on
- our list. And so,
- I mean, 43,000 people? That's a lot, right? 43,000? 15,000. Isn't there 43 on there? They're requesting
- 40,000 and they're serving 150,000. That's a lot. A lot of people. There's a lot of people.
- know that the insecurity is a big issue. And they're like the main player. Yeah, they do have
- the partnerships. They do play well with others. Is there a reason that you're asking? Oh, I'm sorry,
- Catherine, you cut out. Can you say that again? I said I wonder why they're, are they asking the other
- thing? And that's interesting. No, but Isak was looking at contagious in mind, so.
- Oh, okay. Forgive me. I'm going to throw them on the table and get you guys charging. Now it is. Okay.
- That's just a dead outlet, I guess. So for Hooters Hills, what I wrote down was, um, um,
- and they define what share of the 15,000 Bloomington residents are reached directly through this branch,
- rather than through their larger annual food distribution baseline. Okay. And then like, and I mean,
- they're more pressing question to me, and sorry, I was confused before looking at pantridges like that,
- but the more pressing question to me, and it's similar, they're asking for quite a bit of money, is like,
- like the marginal, I had to say this correctly. So they're just going to do this regardless, right?
- And so the question is like, marginally speaking, are we buying something, like what's the marginal
- benefit of 40,000 so that we're comparing, like are we, so we're comparing the effectiveness of the
- money that we're spending
- Instead of comparing the effectiveness of an organization, if that makes sense, because because here,
- if you know it's sort of like if we don't fund you, are you saying that.
- 15,000 people will go hungry, is that what you're saying? That's a different claim than we feed 15,000
- people and we'd like an additional $40,000 to continue to feed, that would be both very important claims,
- right? But they're substantially different claims, right? And so, which then gets at this question of
- like, is the 40,000 that Jack Hopkins is spending and that we have spent over the last X amount of years,
- is it being leveraged to the full extent
- that it can be because this fund exists to sort of help people do something they couldn't do otherwise,
- right? So, I mean, if we want it to be particularly difficult, I don't know, that's the wrong way of
- saying it. Like if we're being, you know, strict about what we do, that's the question I would really
- ask. Well, do you want to put that in writing and send it to me and I will put it in the comment box.
- If you want to make like a shared, I can just type in like, where are you keeping it? Yeah, I'm just
- writing you access to this.
- and you can type in. I just feel like we already, like I do agree with you, but I think that both can
- be true because based on the conversation about food security that you all posted as well, we know that
- there's a shortfall in resources. So no matter what, it's like not having 40,000 dollars does mean food
- won't be distributed. And then they also reference in their application
- that this could be considered a bridge to cover the loss of federal food support. And since that support
- is going to continue to diminish. So I feel clear about. Yeah, that's true. All right. You can put it
- right in the comment box. Well, I mean, I think that your point, though, is that it may not be necessary
- to ask. What are other things? I'm just trying to navigate a lot of information.
- I think we serve definite numbers here. But out of this 15,000, maybe they're not getting a better food
- allocation about that $40,000 funding. There's a difference between hungry and insecure. And if the
- money could be keeping people from actually being able
- I don't feel the need to bring one in. I think it's pretty straightforward. If we choose not to fund
- the full amount, that's up to us. I was just saying, I was just going to bring that up. I was just asking
- that for you. Well, an email question. I mean, my curiosity is, so they're purchasing food for partner
- agencies. And then they're also, some seems to be
- through Bloomington neighborhood and mobile pantries. I'm curious about that. I mean, is this funding
- going to be particularly supporting those mobile pantries today? I don't know anything about it. But
- I'm just curious, is that what it's allocating for? I'm just curious. I don't have any too need
- bring them in or even form a question. But if I had a question, they would be in. Do we need to take
- a vote if we want to email them? I mean, there's been a number of questions. If there's people on this
- committee who wants to ask their questions, that's fine.
- I'd rather err on the side of information. So go ahead and put in that question that you had, please,
- because you phrased it better than I can in the notes. Did you share it with me? Yes, we should have
- it. Do you need me to send you the link? Just tell me where you should be. Well, I gave you editing.
- I had shared it with you in the email yesterday, and then I gave you editing capabilities just now.
- Here, here. Do you want me to resend you the link? No, I am ready. That's fine. OK. OK. Thank you. You're
- welcome. All right. An application summary on that one, please. Under comments. Got it. All the way
- on it. Yeah. I don't know the appropriate time to say this, or to break this up, because we've already
- talked about river, but I've just calculated all the ratios. They range around 4 to 4.10 cents.
- for residents served up to $400, $500 for residents served. So at some point we just need to come up
- with a threshold of like what the color categories for storing them. Yeah. So just wait a little bit.
- That's super. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Should we move on to Bloomington Cooperative
- Living? So they have been before us before. Yeah. I remember.
- Infrastructure starts with a thousand. Fossil, yes. They start with a thousand. Okay, yeah.
- So they serve, they're only in Bloomington as their name implies. So they serve 64 residents. They're
- looking for $8,500 for digital outreach package. Excuse me, I said that weird. Consisting of website
- design services, social media, advertisements, and social media advertisement management services.
- This project is intended to bolster outreach and community awareness of BCL programs. It's
- not a collaborative project, it is human development. I have reservations about this one. Thank you.
- I don't think this is the right thing to do. A good way to spend
- these funds, unless someone feels very strongly about it. This is the only one I marked in red as one
- I didn't feel like fit. That's what I'm feeling. Right here, yeah. It doesn't fit the immediate needs
- for the communities. I would agree with funding this. If they had a plan to demonstrate that
- after these services are completed, that somebody will be able to manage it on their team. If people
- can't get the services through an online portal or digital advertisement, then their organization may
- cease to exist or not getting the services that they need. If they can explain that this is going to
- transform the way that people are able to access their services and they can manage
- these platforms after the package runs out, then I'd be okay with funding it. Can they demonstrate that
- they need these services in order to continue to provide services?
- If they can demonstrate that they will improve outreach to their intended audience or their intended,
- I don't know, target audience, then by having improved digital advertisement and social media platforms,
- then I'm okay with it. And if they have a plan for transferring the skill set from the person who will
- or the organization that will provide the package to a member of their team being able to take this
- on, then I'd be okay with it.
- like having adequate communications is extremely difficult for these types of organizations from what
- I've seen from my vantage point. So I think it's a good use of their funds, but that's my opinion. Yeah,
- I guess that's fair. And then, yeah, asking them to clarify, is this just a one-time spend on this?
- Is that not going to have a lasting impact if they're doing a one-time spend
- And there's always this first series that would last them throughout the year. So you advocate for us
- sending them an email question to explain this a little more deeply. I think they need to come in and
- explain it. I don't know if they can, I don't, because they weren't able to adequately explain it in
- the project information, I don't think they'll, an email necessarily do it. I feel like they, this,
- this, this warrants to me at least. Yeah. Hearing from somebody.
- They might be able to explain it better verbally. Um, does anybody else have any thoughts on this one?
- Yeah. I mean, I would, I would, you know, only hear them out and then we could really decide if we want
- them. Yeah. That's fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with inviting them and we'll have to make a separate
- motion to invite them in because they don't. I mean, if you wanted to, right.
- If you want to give them the best chance also to make their case, then I think in addition to what Captain
- just said, I don't get the theory of change. How does a website translate into housing, or for that
- matter, any stabilized outcomes?
- understand Katherine's point is that how are people going to know about their services being an option
- for them? That's fair. So, but like, I think beyond the question of like, are they going to be able
- to sustain this? Like, do you feel like they've made a strong net theory change argument? That it's
- like, are we breathing into that theory or like, you feel like they know that? Well, I guess that's
- what we're asking them to
- But I don't know what Katherine suggested. It's so funny. I know. The door lock is very funny at this
- moment. You can't hear it, but there's a very loud vacuum. They came in. I thought that your question
- was about sustainability, like that being the key. Sustainability. But it's also, I think it's also
- your question, your point also is a good one, because if they can't articulate,
- For example, maybe their platforms, they've done a survey. Exactly. Website is really hard to navigate,
- and I really want to utilize your services, but I have no idea how to use them. And so maybe they have
- all this information of like, if we better advertise, if we better present our information, actually
- access it, and then we can actually serve the people that we're looking to serve. Yes.
- I move that we add to our criteria of invitation people for whom we have substantive questions that
- hinder our ability to properly rubric and assess them fairly. Second. All right, I have a motion and
- a second. Dave? Yes. Esau? Yes. Cameron? Yes. Eddie?
- Me, yes. Catherine? Sorry, can you say that again? Yes. Yes, thank you. And Andy? Yes. All right,
- that passes. So I believe that qualifies Bloomington Cooperative Living for an invite to interview.
- So I'd like to ask a question on why are there
- vacancies, if they're having problems housing the appropriate people. And this is why they need to reach
- out to, cast a wide net to get more residents. Or, you know, that's my primary question is this, are
- you guys leading tenants? Do you have vacancies? Oh, yeah.
- billing spots. These notes that I'm putting in the comments are just really just that notes. They're
- not eloquent, but they get me going across, at least in my brain. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. All right.
- So we will invite them in and hear more from them firsthand. Stone Belt Arc Inc. They're Java Palooza.
- They bring this to us every year.
- Java Palooza allows individuals with disabilities to connect with local employers and try new job tasks
- to determine areas of interest and competency. This project also allows local employers to connect with
- new possible employees with disabilities in our community, which fosters greater diversity in the workforce.
- They're only asking for $5,000. They don't qualify at least off the surface right now for an invite
- to interview.
- see us having any questions other than, of course, the numbers, but that's going to go out to everybody.
- I mean, like I said, they come before us every year. Anybody have any questions that they want us to
- ask? No. They're pretty straightforward. Habitat for Humanity of Monroe County. They are looking for
- a tool investment.
- They are seeking $14,137 in funding to replace their Makita tools, purchase a trailer, and two ladder
- racks. Regular replacement and the purchase of a trailer and ladder racks will keep their volunteers
- and staff safe while building and supplying quality, affordable homes. So they enroll 910 Bloomington
- residents, but they must serve a total of 100. I think that 100 is probably houses.
- Again, so I think we should probably have the question as broad of a way possible. You know, we messed
- up, our farm is wrong. So will you just clarify because it will affect our root grant, right? Yeah,
- yeah. And then we should proliferate through what it is that we want them to tell us, you know, number
- of residents served, number of clients overall, something like that. Yeah, people. We're happy people,
- not units, okay?
- I'm just tall, sorry. I don't understand. Um, do we have any questions then? I mean, they don't qualify
- unless we have substantial questions. They don't qualify for an invitation to interview. No questions.
- All right.
- Girls Inc. of Monroe County. They also apply every year. Their project title is Inspiring Strong, Smart,
- and Bold Leaders. Girls Inc. of Monroe County delivers intentional, evidence-based programs that build
- confidence, strengthen—this doesn't really tell us about the project, but they're looking for the
- money—build confidence, strengthen social, emotional, and
- physical well-being, and provide academic enrichment for school-aged girls in the Bloomington community.
- Our programs equip girls with the skills, knowledge, and support to grow into confident leaders and
- engage community members. They're asking for $34,870. That's a very specific number, but they're not
- telling us what specifically that is for. I know typically it's for like, sometimes it's for... Oh,
- thank you.
- Also, when it'd be helpful for us, I'll share the spreadsheets. You don't have to read each description.
- Oh, it's, you guys don't like that. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's why you could do a split screen. Yeah. Okay.
- It just, if, as long as we can all read it, is that something that we can jump back and look at?
- If not, I can, I can toggle it. Yes. Okay. So, uh,
- Yes, so this project description is where they put it up here, so that forms a brief overview, but I've
- been putting these up here. Oh, thank you. Not that I didn't enjoy your reading. No, I appreciate it.
- Do they? They break it down in their budget. 26,870 staff and personnel and 8,000 in summertime scholarships.
- Staff and personnel is the majority of this funding? That's correct. What we could ask them, you know,
- getting at the point that you're getting at is like, what is the impact of funding staff on the cost
- of the event, right?
- So like in many ways, like a staff fund is defraying costs for the camp. So it's somewhat equal to a
- scholarship. And so it would be useful for, as they clarify a follow-on question for them specifically
- about numbers is, you know, how many, like for them to explain how many people they think are being
- affected by this when they actually don't have a discrepancy in their numbers, I guess, but,
- you know, like the numbers affected by scholarships versus the number affected by staff and in what
- ways, could be a question to ask, but I think they're fairly, you know, I think it's fairly clear. So
- are you saying, you think we should just email those questions, we want them invited in, how are you?
- I would notice, ask the question about what portion of, that we know what portion of scholarships and
- what portion is program content,
- The question is like, what is the distinct outcome tied to each of those portions? Okay. Do you want
- to put that in the questions in the comment box there? Do you know that to them? Unless you think we
- should invite them in to have a deeper conversation. Okay. But I actually don't think that, now that
- I said that out loud, I don't think that really affects our rubric per se. So whatever it's worth. So
- maybe I would, I would draw that question. Okay.
- Anybody else have any questions? Well, I think you should put your question back. And I also, I do want
- to hear more about the long-term impact of the programs. Because if they keep asking for money and you
- all don't know or not sure what the impact of where the programs are, I mean, I've been to their programs.
- They're fantastic. I just don't know. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I think it'd be OK to ask them to share the impact.
- Yeah. Because I'm seeing a lot of- Yeah, I think that does affect the rubric.
- But not a lot of impact that is is listed here. Yeah, thank you. Alright, so you're doing that. Move
- on to community kitchen of Monroe County for equipment purchase.
- SAS seems pretty straightforward. I personally would not have any questions for them. I don't have any
- questions either. And they don't fit any of the other criteria for an interview. All right. We're good
- with just moving on with community kitchens. Tandem is next.
- I do have a question for community kitchen. Sorry. I'm so sorry. It's my fault. They selected capital,
- but also said the project is not involved with capital improvement. So just a minor inconsistency that
- could be clarified in an email, but like, so like,
- I assume that we're thinking of capital improvement means like change of the building rather than buy
- a thing. But in this case, it's a wheelchair. Yeah, it's first aid. Yeah, it's first aid equipment.
- Yeah. I think in the application there's capital and capital as like a separate set of answers. So capital
- would be different. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you for the presentation. All right. So I feel clear. Does
- anybody have other clarifications? And are we? I don't know.
- It's a minor, but I'll ask you when we're about to do it. Okay. Are you sure? Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Tandem.
- I mean, as a former diaper buyer, I think those $50,000 is probably going to be spent on diapers alone.
- Uh-huh. But I think we can start with this, and I don't think this is something to worry about now,
- but more when we're doing the evaluations later, is that we're not supposed to be spending money on
- recurring for paying staff. They're not supposed to rely on us for it. They're paying for staff.
- creating positions or getting position on the ground with the understanding that the agency who was
- requesting that would be able to continue paying them once they get that person in place. So I only
- just worry about the, you know, paying staff or any utilities since they do our business, are they relying
- on this? I mean, so the insider information here, which, you know, decide whether it biases me or not, but yeah.
- They're under like so much financial pressure. I think that the question that we might want to ask them
- is about sustainability. And then the broader question of really, and back to I think a question that
- I've tried in multiple cases where it's like, what are we actually buying? And so like, is it that we're
- giving them a longer runway?
- Is it that we're allowing them to divert other things and other grants that they have directly into
- customer services like and what is it that that
- that pay for staff bias. So I think to go beyond the question that you said, I don't think we need to
- just have a black and white gate, but it's like either you're establishing a position or we don't fund
- it. It's really saying like, what happens when this position gets funded? And what's the antithesis
- to us not funding this is maybe the easier way for us to understand it, but it's like, well, we close,
- right? And so I think in this case that elevates it in a different way, it makes it an emergency, it
- makes it a whatever.
- I'm arguing all those things because I have some insight into it. So I think that it's important for
- us to ask them to see if that's the way they perceive it. Do you think that merits an invitation to
- come before us? It could. It's on the largest ask. I do think it will be hard for us to properly, based
- on the answers to the question that I just raised, it would flip where they are on my regret.
- You know, so I would say something like we need a clear explanation or like sustainability and what
- this grant concretely buys, something like that. And I would argue that we cannot, that I don't have
- enough information based on what they said to fully evaluate them on the rubric. I think I would end
- up minimizing some other points for lack of clarity, just me.
- So we should invite them to interview because this is substantial questions that we have. Any other
- thoughts? Agreement, disagreement, motions? What have you? No, I don't think that's valid. I think that
- we say we want to be able to provide our personal support. I think it's very valid for us to have a
- conversation with them about what this looks like past six months.
- Okay. We gave them very modest support last year. Oh, yeah. Six thousand. Wow. Wow. That was a big deal.
- They were established in a postpartum center. I mean, how much do you know? I don't remember. I thought
- the request was quite substantial, too. No, no, no. Last year, last year, they because there was,
- you know, there's a handful of groups that in the last several years have been like, why is this all
- you're asking for?
- And they were one last year, it was like, they asked for like, you know, some diapers. Right. You know,
- and I, and I said, I remember very specifically in the meeting being like, I know that you have financial
- issues. Like, why are you asking for five, $5,000? And they were like, I don't know. Like it
- was a substantial aspect of the form. I can't remember what we decided, but it was for South Bay or
- cheaper than us about it. Probably. I think it's seriously, they were establishing.
- Yeah, I thought the year before the question was the one about the burden center. That's what they wanted
- us to fund the year before. Yeah. Then last year it was some, you know, just a silly, like I say,
- I mean, just like, like, you know, just like, I'll give us some money if you can. And here's the thing
- we can use it for type of application. And so I feel like this year they balanced those two things.
- Right. So. Well, we're going to need motion if we want them to come in. I think we don't need the motion.
- That's right.
- Sorry, it's not as specific. Okay, so we are inviting them to. It's a big ask. It is. Yeah, we should,
- it would be good to explore them. We have a lot of questions. Okay. Super, thank you. So Bramessa Foundation,
- Inc. They're getting moving. When are we going to be going to the house?
- I'm really interested with them about how they're counting their beneficiaries. There's a possibility
- that what they're counting here is the amount of people that their partners reach.
- So I did a project with Eddie, and then I was asked how many people did the project reach? We just trained
- two people in his office, but I reported 14,000. Because that's how many people he serves, right? So
- that was a little unclear to me about what their numbers mean. Yeah.
- You know, we should invite them, I think. Outreach. That to me is a substantial question, because if
- they themselves are reaching that many people, wonderful. If they're reaching them through their partners,
- great. But then we have a lot of questions about, OK, explain to us how what you're asking us to accomplish
- that end. Right. OK, so we need to invite them to a group because A, there's substantial questions and B,
- I don't think they've come before us before. Yeah, so two reasons to bring them. Yes. Okay, great. Courage
- to change sober living. I think this is a revender. I think it might be either a tech issue or they,
- I'm sure, because it's the exact same application. Okay, so we can skip this one. I was like,
- wait a minute, I heard that before. Oh, here we go, Susie's place.
- Hendricks County. Is Catherine saying something? Catherine, are you saying something? You're muted.
- All right, that's not me. That's my children. Well, okay. Got it. Looks like they're looking to fund,
- do I understand, their play place, basically? It's operational expenses.
- for a salary match. This is what you guys think. The question I have here is, this looks way different
- from the ask last year. And then last year when we were talking about fundraising, she was like, oh,
- we've got, because they had a relatively small ask last year.
- and and she was like we've got most of our fundraising covered and so because it's operational because
- they're not mentioning some of the things that other places mentioned in terms of word bridge funding
- or reduction and explorers need which could very well exist i think it would be worth asking about that
- um or why do you need this operational funding now um yeah because last year we funded like office furniture
- for that but yeah and she was so
- confident about it better than last year. That stuck out to me when we were talking. Is this an email
- or an invite? It's a big ask. This is another one of our very large ones. It's 48, NASA. I think this
- is so big. I wouldn't mind inviting. Yeah. It seems like a similar kind of apps.
- Yeah, that's a lot of... Is it because the amount is high or is it because of what they're asking to
- spend it on? I think it's similar to what Ysak was talking about. Are we providing a longer runway for
- them or are they going to close their doors because they don't get this funding? To me, it seems a little
- similar to what Ysak was asking about Pandam. Okay, that makes sense to me.
- Thank you. All right. So we will invite them as well. Okay. Planned. Whoa. My sheet just scrolled all
- the way down. Planned. Parenthood. Great Northwest. Hawaii. Alaska. Indiana. Kentucky. That cracks me
- up every time. They also have the same mask every year. Yeah.
- I don't have any questions for them. I don't see need to invite them in. Does anybody have any questions
- for them or want to hear from them? Okay. All right. So cancer support community, South Central Indiana.
- I believe this is the same as last year more or less in terms of
- description, I don't remember, amount, but. That can help against them? No, I'm just saying I. That's
- something that's considered a root root root root root root root root root root root root root root
- root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root
- root root root root root root root root root root
- I mean it's not, it's such a minor, I think it would skew my thing better. This is an example of where,
- I don't know what the service region of something like this is, but I imagine that people come in from
- Bedford and people come in from, right, which I don't have this, you guys don't know, I don't have the
- strong of a view of
- It must be governed by the resident who lives in the place and appearing with the taxes. I think it's
- generally good to do good things. But this one, it raises this question of how we capture that when
- it's talking about a fluid transient service area.
- which are very different than the like you're in Ellensville or people for non-groupings that come to
- you. It's like one question, but like, this is like, you know, what is your service area anyways? Especially,
- you know, they, other communities don't have the medical facilities. I mean, I mean, you know, the number
- served and total service, once again, we can't actually do that, but they say they only serve 20 Booms
- residents to nine and seven.
- Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, I mean, it says right away in the description, we'll provide 24 cancer patients
- who are city residents with immediate short-term financial resources. I mean, that sounds like a very
- clear plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, cancer is expensive, man. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Let's move
- on. All right. People and animal learning services.
- say like, you know, this, this really relies on you already believing that, um, or already knowing that
- you didn't, you decide what your biases, um, that, um, that equite therapy is a great idea. You know,
- if we're really going to scrutinize it,
- I would say that I don't think that they make a strong argument for the theory of change. I
- don't necessarily, I personally don't think they need to, because I think that there's a lot of research
- on the topic, but just looking at what's in front of us, like, you know, however, we also have talked
- about the last two years and asked them such questions. So, right, you know, whether we should view
- ourselves as episodic or as a continuous thing is another interesting theoretical question to ask at
- 8.30 at night.
- I mean, it's a pretty low amount of money. I don't know. I'm not asking for any infrastructure. I mean,
- I'm asking for a specific program. So I personally do not have any questions. The validity of acquiring
- therapy, that's really not something I'm going to try to comment on. I mean, it's a guess.
- Interesting question. And I'm curious now, but I don't, I wouldn't bring. So we'll leave them no email,
- no invite. Yeah. Okay. Um, he said, can you take over? Um, okay. Um, uh, people and what's the next
- one? People and horses began, began, began.
- Thank you. So it seems pretty straightforward. Yeah. 22. Oh, sorry. I'm looking at the wrong spreadsheet.
- Any questions? Okay, moving on. Wonder Lab Museum. Any questions?
- Moving on, new leaf, new life? This is not the collaborative one. Sorry, I think I had a question.
- They get coming. What questions would you like to ask them? Number discrepancy.
- I'm a little bit familiar with this and I don't think there maybe this doesn't matter but
- I don't think there's any connection necessarily to low-income or marginalized groups or low-income
- people for this program, for this camp. I think it's for absolutely anybody who's got a parent or any
- family that's been impacted in the immediate family by cancer of a parent. So, I mean, maybe that doesn't
- matter, but maybe it- No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Sorry. Sorry. No, I'm just saying it
- doesn't matter because that's in our requirements.
- that needs to be low income. So maybe we need to ask a clarifying question about this. I could be wrong,
- but I know someone very well who's been a counselor there a few times. And that's not my understanding
- that it's income related. Right. But I could be mistaken. But OK.
- So what if we ask the question, oh, you're back in charge again. In my handover, I will say, what if
- we ask the question, would they be willing to limit these funds to low income Bloomington residents?
- Scholarships, basically, to low income folks. But I think that then we're asking for an adjustment in
- their rate, what they wrote.
- We can write friendly amendments, right? Where we can go, yeah, we like that you want this board, but
- we want you to do your window. We'll do that. It says 98% of parents. Kids have cancer. I mean, we just
- said the cancer is an expensive treatment, so I guess I'm inferring. Yeah, that's also right.
- And I would say that when I was going through chemo, if I had kids, I would have loved for them to go
- to account. It would have been very difficult to have them at home. So let alone the being poor part.
- Well, maybe our question is just what their application process looks like for their participants, so
- we can understand that better. Or the question could be,
- Is there an assumption that everyone who participates in Kesem is financially stressed, seriously stressed
- just due to the fact that they're suffering from a cancer impact? Yeah. Okay. I've added it. Boom.
- Thank you. So are we inviting them in then because they're new too? They're new. They get invited. Yeah.
- Super. Thank you. You're in charge again. Okay. Silver linings rescue. So we will...
- Pause so Cameron can step out. Is this where she's conflicted? Yes. Hey, bring in conflicts. Come on.
- I thought we dealt with those. So they are a new organization, new application for us. Yeah. If we have
- questions for them.
- Why didn't they do a collaborative one with MCHA? What else? Did MCHA apply for anything this year?
- They did. Yeah. I think that's a good question to ask for any organization. Yeah, I mean, that's more
- of that. They get to tell us because, you know, it's more us giving them some information than maybe
- they don't realize it, for example. Yeah.
- So what would we ask them if we invite them in. I mean, more so they have to come their first year,
- their first time. No, we decided that if we can get them okay we can we can. Oh yeah.
- I think similar to some of the things that Catherine and I brought up, I think this is like the sort
- of outcome measures aren't super, super clear in terms of specifically to the Emergency Medical Fund.
- So if they could elaborate on the outcomes associated with the Emergency Medical Fund, that would be
- cool. I think they talk generally about their organization as a whole, but it would be nice to know
- about the Emergency Medical Fund specifically. Okay. And then invite them to
- Thank you. You want to let Cameron know she's welcome to return. Please. So now we have a collaborative
- application with New Leap New Light. It hurts to change.
- So people want to, I forget why people are coming where it's collaborative. This seems very straightforward.
- Yeah. Don't worry, see a need to ask them any questions. I don't either. I mean, they're both organizations
- we've dealt with before. They seem pretty straightforward. Yeah. Their collaboration makes sense.
- Sometimes the collaborations don't quite make sense. It's a small movement. Yeah. All right. Yes. Yeah,
- the collaborative. All right. So I don't think we need to invite them to participate. C-Jam. It's been
- before us before. Eviction, prevention, mediation. Isn't this similar to what they can
- with last year requesting. I think it was, yeah, eviction mediation. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.
- I'm okay not asking them anything. I thought this was one of the clearest applications. Yeah, we don't
- have any questions. Does anybody have any questions they want emailed or clarifications?
- You can ask them if they're abiding by the Heading Home Plan and if they're collaborating with other
- agencies associated with the Heading Home Plan. Not that we as a city are necessarily following the
- Heading Home Plan.
- Is this a new organization? They were not last year, I don't think, but two years ago. We did fund them
- two years ago because they were not abiding by the Heading Plan. Very famous moment in my mind anyways,
- where I said, are you abiding by the Heading Plan? We told them ahead of time that we would ask them
- this question. And they said, what's that? And I thought, well, that's interesting. We've also sat here.
- for five hours and heard other organizations then suddenly. I would like to ask them, who are
- they cooperating with now? It's the question. There's been organizations that have invited you on to
- staff, and they never come, and they never commute to the general class. So I would like to know,
- What are you doing to moderate the area for either? I also, I mean, I'll probably ask when they're here
- about the theory of change, why in the world do they, I mean, based on the theory of change, why are
- they not asking us to fund the programs and asking us to fund the person? I think they did ask for the
- other results.
- Yes, but we didn't fund them. But we didn't fund them because we said that we will only fund, we said
- at the beginning, we asked them to question and email, then ask them in person. It was a very clear
- lesson. We'll try to do that. Okay, so we will invite Patel Shroud, Menorah County Humane Association.
- I personally didn't have any questions for them. No, me neither. And they were just really hit by the
- tornadoes. And they're not asking for treatment or stuff. Never accused myself for Summit Hill. And
- all these conflicts out here. Only two of these are. Yeah, I was like, oh my goodness. All right, Summit
- Hill Community Development Partnership.
- grad housing food access. Have they come before us before? I don't. I don't. I'm not saying they haven't.
- I just don't know. Okay. You didn't want that when you community garden project last year, but I don't
- remember. I mean, we could ask them whether
- their vehicle buyout is like a contractually locked agreement. Stated price. Do people, so once they
- do that, what happens with title insurance? All the associated costs that come with owning a car, it's
- not just like purchasing the car. They should have asked for more, like to take into account maintenance and
- Licenses and... Exactly. So yeah, that'd be a good question. It's like, what's the plan for maintenance?
- What's the plan for all of these other things that come along with owning a car? All right. So does
- this warrant us inviting them in or is this an email?
- It's an existential question though, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I'm just making sure we're inviting
- them in. Okay. I'll go get them. Thank you. I don't think we did, we definitely didn't talk to them
- last year and I don't remember them. Okay, thank you. Exodus Refugee Immigration. We'll maintain emergency
- assistance programs.
- Well, and they've come before us before. Any questions or requests? I'm just nosy. Because the number
- of refugees in the United States are going down, who's their target audience now? Like, are these refugees
- that are currently in? And this is an interesting question, but like, who are they aiming to? Because
- we're not really letting you know.
- Yeah, it would be nice to know that. But does it change our? No, it does. Just being nosy, I guess.
- Oh, yeah. Awesome. Avalon Community Land Trust. They're new. Yeah. They're new cooperatives, so they
- would be invited in. Yeah.
- If we felt like you wanted them to come to the question, I would ask that this is maybe is the question
- about cooperatives is about ownership structure of public facing infrastructure or something like that.
- So, they're not new. They came in last year with a collaborative project with the universe. This is
- between our project from last year. Yeah. And this is the one where I felt.
- This is the one that made me feel like we shouldn't do summaries in the North, but this was like, well,
- if you reviewed our budget, we would have seen, and I was like, you're right. Sorry. All right. So do
- we have questions for them then, or are we any concerned? It's more of an interesting conversation to
- be had than a question. I see. All right. And so we have no reason to invite them in? Correct. All right.
- Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington. Is this in Bloomington? Jokes, jokes, jokes. It is not. It's in
- Bloomington. So they asked for money for doors and security at this facility. Yes. Didn't we fund that
- last year? We did. We did. We're just doing the ones we did. There's still a piece in security. There's
- an outlet.
- No, this is the one in Bloomington. Last year, though. But I think the Lincoln site had the new words.
- It was the... Oh, no. Was it the Lincoln site? It was a couple years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Well, should we
- have our chair find this out and hand in the answer that you have? No, she denied. So, in other words,
- this is still security all around for $20,000.
- But this was what they asked last year. Did we just partially undercover? A couple of years ago. It
- sounds like they had an incident in November of 2025 that showed that there was disparities with the
- black community. I would like to have them, I would like to ask a question, maybe not have them come
- in. And I don't know if they'll elaborate on
- what's going on with the security. The elevator is pretty straightforward. That's the issue. All right.
- So you're saying this can be an email? Yeah, I think so. What additional security measures will
- $20,000 to help prevent criminal activities on the grounds. Sorry, Seth. To prevent future criminal
- activities. Should we ask about did they get the doors?
- or does that really afford me to ask? I don't think so. I just, I want to know what they need to spend
- to for them to feel safe. And maybe it was wasn't it two years ago, right? So I want to know what, what
- underlying issues would be helpful. What measures spend will make you feel safe?
- Okay, so we will invite. No, we're not invited in the bill. Yes. Understood. Thank you. All right, Amethyst
- House. Oh, question that just occurred to me. How are we going to deal with discrepancy? So you're going
- to say, hey, we were wrong. Correct your numbers. And then what if their numbers are still lying on?
- What do we do?
- Well, the biggest thing is we're giving them the hint that one number needs to be bigger than the other
- number. So that correction alone, well, and we can say, well, we're trying to just clarify it. We're
- trying to give them that. But what we're trying to find, I guess, is the question. What is it that we're
- asking them? We're asking them that we're going to resident search versus just number of people served
- by these projects. Both of these are by this project.
- is how the question is phrased, right? We might want to add a direct and indirect number to say like,
- direct people served by this project, and be clear, unique individuals. Yeah. Number of people served
- by this project, whether directly or indirectly, unique individuals. Yeah, and then I love that number.
- How many are moving tonight? Yes. It's probably the better way to phrase it. So what do we do if they
- come with funky numbers? Then we go, you don't know numbers and you can't manage money. You don't get
- money. But I'm saying, like, do they get, is there a follow-up email? Is there a, right? Or do we just,
- that's how we read them? From a project management perspective, I think what's happening before is emails
- get responses and then the committee can decide
- Or you could give the chair the authority to then invite them in order to interview very patiently.
- Yes. And motion that the chair be authorized with the great chief authority to invite people who, upon
- receiving the emails back, still finds a discrepancy. OK. Well, well.
- Nobody seconded it, so that dies on the vine. That's fine. I tried. I tried. Just wait so we all see.
- This is the problem. All right. We've got 20 minutes left. 22 minutes left. Eight more things.
- We can do this. Amethyst has come to us before. No questions. No questions.
- Any questions? None. Okay. Ivy Tech Community College, Wilmington. Tide and Harvest Food Pantry. So
- technically, they're new to the fabrication process, correct? They are. I think you should hear from
- them from that point.
- assuming that a, I want to understand their relationship with, like, Ivy Tech is a higher ed institution
- that does have a long research base. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that had been my, I saw Ivy Tech on
- there. I was like, I can't believe that they say something like that. I mean, they are a nonprofit.
- Yeah. But. Why didn't they list Tujer here, so they're not here? They did list them.
- Why did they apply as a collaborative? Well, and why? I think they're just trying to demonstrate that
- they have, like, they built some infrastructure that legitimizes them, where Hooger Hills has their
- own priority for funding. Yeah, I would jump in and say, I mean, I like this idea, but in a way, it's
- kind of weird. It's kind of like the city of Bloomington applying to Ivy Tech for a grant for some sort
- of service.
- It just feels, it's just kind of different. Also, why didn't they use their foundation? I see that Ivy
- Tech has a foundation. Yeah. Why they didn't go to the parent company. I'm just... Yeah. Agreed. Okay.
- So we'll invite them in and we'll ask them, please explain this setup better to us, this relationship,
- and why didn't you use the foundation? And also is...
- It seems like it's a non-profit, but I mean, it's a for-profit. Am I correct? No. Ivy Tech is, yeah,
- Ivy Tech is non-profit. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, it feels unusual. I mean, I think we're just not there
- for standards. Yeah. All right. Wheeler Mission Laundering Services.
- They don't have any questions. Any questions? I mean, do they follow? We can email them. Do they follow
- the Heading Home Plan? No, they're co-authors of it. Yeah, they're collaborators. Oh, they are. OK.
- I know that they don't take part, I think, in the pit. They do now. They do now? They part in pit?
- Carry on. All right.
- Big brothers, big sisters of South Central Indiana. Would you say it, Siri? So it's like the same ask
- we tend to get each year from them, am I correct? Or similar? It's a really big ask. Yeah. But we were
- asking for a fine position.
- I think these support mentors are volunteers. They're big, right? Well, do we have, I'm assuming we
- don't need to invite them in because they've come before us before.
- We don't seem to have a ton of overwhelming questions for them. Do we have any email questions that
- we want clarifying? All right. Pretty much speaks for itself. Okay. All right. Mother Hubbard's cupboard.
- Any outstanding questions from other Hubbard's covered? No? All right. New Hope Family Shelter. New
- Hope for Families. This is similar to Pathways, I feel. Are we having Pathways for Men? I think so.
- So are we having Pathways for Men?
- I mean, they've kind of spelled it out in the project information. I think we have an app named Book
- of Millions at Fort Lewis. I'm trying to. I don't know that we are here in Paris. If they're not coming
- here, then you can listen. I didn't know. It's been a big ass. Yeah. I think we're e-mailing pathways.
- questions you're going to vote, because they kind of spelled it out. Yeah. Is this maybe funded in the
- past? They actually were rejected last year. But we have funded them in the past. And their organization
- was very collaborative. Yeah. Last year, they were looking for a canopy over there. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- It hit a lot.
- priority. Can I ask a question about Mother Humbertson? You'll have to make a motion to go back now.
- Just as we're thinking more about the numbers of people served, when they clarify this, this is my example
- where I don't know,
- That's more people than live in this city, mate. On both occasions. That's more people than the hills.
- That's like almost as many, that's like all the people in in Monroe County. Yeah. So, so I, so I did,
- I don't know, all I'm saying is it illustrates that we're going to ask for clarifying and they're going
- to send us back these numbers. And that number gives them some,
- positioning difference to me, but I don't know what that number means. What does that number mean? Yeah,
- so let's just ask him to explain. Can you explain where you got your numbers? Yeah, so like, yeah, so
- when we send it to everybody, can we also be like... We need to be like, you said this. No, I'm just
- saying like the broad question is like, tell us these four things that we said earlier. And he's like,
- and can you please provide a little explanation to like how you came to these numbers?
- Sorry, that is just, sorry. No, I, yeah, that, I mean, you're right. We want to be as clear as we can
- and get as much info as we can. Exactly. So we don't, so we're not, we end up misjudging people based
- on, you know, based on, based on faulty data. Absolutely. Incomplete data or whatever. Yep. Yep.
- All right. No, you're good. Indiana Recovery Alliance, they've been before us before. So this is a new
- position that they have funded.
- They've done a good job about asking very specific and incoming jobs that they fund afterwards. Yeah,
- because I believe the past two years was each to get new positions off the ground. Yeah. I don't necessarily
- have any questions that I thought was asked. Anybody have any questions for IRA? All right.
- The last one, My Sister's Closet. They're very large. Yes, they also are moving. Paper HVAC consists
- of electrical costs. Report me if there's something I haven't tried to read over there. We actually
- had a better workbook on there too.
- That's not part of our rubric. So you should ask questions to clarify what's not clear in there,
- in the graph. Plus, we made the move, so. Is this an invite or is this a no? If you feel like it's totally
- unclear and it would,
- like it would stop you from being able to evaluate them, then we have to invite them or you have to
- ask all of your questions so you can evaluate them. I don't know. I like what they're saying they're
- going to do, but I'd love to hear like, because if they expand, will they reach more people? Will they
- be able to do more client outreach? Like what will these renovations, what does it mean to be critical
- maintaining uninterrupted access? What is that?
- What do they mean? What are the renovations? What's that? Okay. So the question, so are you, are we
- saying we want to invite them in or send an email? I thought you were all saying it was unclear. No,
- I was, I was saying historically they've not sold themselves well in their grant writing. That's why
- I said, I wish they had help with their grant writing. That's all.
- I just don't think they're good salespeople for themselves. I say they should bring them in. I'd love
- to hear more about what this $50,000 will do for their long-term success and goals. I don't think it's
- clear here. All right, so we will invite them in. OK, anybody else? All right.
- It looks like, I didn't mark at the beginning. I have at least one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
- eight, nine, 10, according by my count. 10 organizations were requesting to come in.
- So by my record keeping, we're inviting in Bloomington Cooperative Living, Tandem, Sober Mesa,
- Suzy's Place, Hendricks County, Casam at IU, Silver Linings Rescue, Hotels for Help,
- Summit Hill, Ivy Tech, and my sister's closet. I have spoken. This is the way. This is the way.
- I go home. The Star Wars comes out today, guys. Woo-hoo! Whoa! Very exciting. Thanks for opening the binder.
- My pleasure. I've been waiting for years for this one. All right. So am I good? Yes. Yeah, just for
- the record, the set, I think it's pronounced Kessam. Kessam, thank you. Kessam. Kessam with like the
- small e or short e, Kessam. Not like Casey, remember Casey Kasem? Not Casey Kasem? No, not Casey Kasem.
- Not Shaggy from Scooby Doo. All right. If nobody else
- Has anything important to say?