WEBVTT 00:00:00.322 --> 00:00:08.440 - Oh, I call to order, thank you. I thought me saying we were starting was good enough. I call to order 00:00:08.440 --> 00:00:16.478 - tonight's Jack Hopkins committee meeting. Okay, so we don't have a lot on the agenda tonight, but it 00:00:16.478 --> 00:00:24.755 - is gonna be a fairly longer process. So the three things that I wanted to cover tonight was number one, 00:00:24.755 --> 00:00:28.734 - I have a date adjustment for one of our meetings. 00:00:29.570 --> 00:00:36.518 - And then before we jump into the apps, I'd like us to review the rubric. I know we had at the end of 00:00:36.518 --> 00:00:43.672 - last committee last year for 2025, we had a bit of a debate about some of the rubric issues. I thought, 00:00:43.672 --> 00:00:50.551 - if nothing else, let's talk about how we're proceeding to the categories. So you're all on the same 00:00:50.551 --> 00:00:57.430 - page and then introduce Catherine to the rubric as well. And we'll all just talk through it so that 00:00:57.430 --> 00:00:58.462 - we are grading 00:00:58.978 --> 00:01:05.409 - equally. And then finally, we'll begin the app review. Now I know we didn't have access to the actual 00:01:05.409 --> 00:01:11.714 - applications, but Aria put a ton of work into that lovely spreadsheet for us. And just to give us a 00:01:11.714 --> 00:01:18.208 - head start, and we can just start going through one by one and having those conversations and figuring 00:01:18.208 --> 00:01:24.638 - out what questions do we have about their proposals and also are there any that we know right off the 00:01:24.638 --> 00:01:26.782 - bat that we want to eliminate and 00:01:27.074 --> 00:01:35.414 - Who do we ultimately want to invite for a presentation for our next time? All sound good? Awesome. 00:01:35.414 --> 00:01:44.260 - Thank you. Should we wait on ESOC for the date adjustment, though? Because I want to make sure everybody 00:01:44.260 --> 00:01:52.852 - can chime in for that. It's just our allocation meeting is two nights before my son's graduation. And 00:01:52.852 --> 00:01:56.222 - I won't be able to do that long meeting 00:01:56.834 --> 00:02:03.966 - to next before the graduation. What's that? Oh, sorry. It's May 28. This is the date of the allocation 00:02:03.966 --> 00:02:11.099 - meeting. So we can talk about, hopefully, finding a date that works for everybody. But I'll wait until 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:18.370 - Isak gets here so we don't schedule something he can't do. So let's take a look at the rubric. I'm going 00:02:18.370 --> 00:02:25.502 - to pull up the rubric from last year on my computer. Aria, do you have access to the rubrics? Awesome. 00:02:25.794 --> 00:02:52.478 - Okay, thank you. There we go. It's this one, right? Yeah, that's it. Perfect. All right. So there we go. So 00:02:54.210 --> 00:03:02.265 - I'm assuming we all want to stick with a rubric again. I know last year was the first year we did the 00:03:02.265 --> 00:03:10.716 - rubric. Nobody seemed to have any objections overall to using rubric last year. Has anybody's mind changed 00:03:10.716 --> 00:03:18.613 - drastically? No, I just think we needed to tweak some bits. I think the rubric was helpful. It made 00:03:18.613 --> 00:03:22.878 - things a little bit less unfair. Yes, I think so too. 00:03:23.810 --> 00:03:31.517 - What I liked about it was that even though we noticed by the end of the allocation meeting last year 00:03:31.517 --> 00:03:39.452 - that several of us were interpreting some of the categories differently, and yet we all still were kind 00:03:39.452 --> 00:03:47.693 - of coming to the same, more or less, the same outcomes. So I think in that way, yes, it was really helpful. 00:03:47.693 --> 00:03:51.966 - OK, here's my rubric. So organization amount requested. 00:03:54.210 --> 00:04:04.498 - What we filled in starts over with partial funding, right? Did we fill in, before that, the grant type, 00:04:04.498 --> 00:04:14.391 - priority population? I don't remember. I don't think we filled that in. I think that was filled out 00:04:14.391 --> 00:04:22.206 - for us. I think so, yeah. Okay. So with the partial funding, project location, 00:04:23.362 --> 00:04:33.018 - emergency services, residents served lasting contribution, number of full-time staff, community partnerships. 00:04:33.018 --> 00:04:42.499 - And then we had that bonus category, which some of us struggled with, I think. Were any of these categories 00:04:42.499 --> 00:04:51.102 - completely unhelpful to anybody? Or did you have strong feelings against any of these categories? 00:04:51.266 --> 00:04:58.506 - The lasting contribution, I remember, was kind of giving me some issues because I think I was making 00:04:58.506 --> 00:05:05.889 - some judgment calls on what is a lasting contribution, a direct one indirectly. So I don't necessarily 00:05:05.889 --> 00:05:13.057 - have a problem with this category, but we can define what each of these in the meaning, so that way 00:05:13.057 --> 00:05:20.798 - we're consistent. Because if I was having trouble, I can imagine maybe someone had a different idea of what 00:05:21.570 --> 00:05:32.072 - each of those things, then the rubric's not as helpful as a good read. Right. I agree. I struggled with 00:05:32.072 --> 00:05:42.169 - that one, too, because I felt like, well, in a way, you could argue they were all last e-computers. 00:05:42.169 --> 00:05:51.358 - So it was very subjective. In fact, all of them, but a few I have marked as yes, directly. 00:05:54.082 --> 00:06:02.782 - Yeah, I agree. I mean, I started with, is the funding going to go to some kind of capital improvement 00:06:02.782 --> 00:06:11.311 - for building? That would be obviously tangible and lasting, but is it going to go to something that 00:06:11.311 --> 00:06:20.181 - is going to basically possibly affect people in a way that may be novel or isn't being addressed? Well, 00:06:20.181 --> 00:06:23.934 - that's lasting too, because it's likely to. 00:06:24.162 --> 00:06:31.142 - So it really does need to be impacted a little bit. I mean, what I found helpful was when we had all 00:06:31.142 --> 00:06:38.399 - of these filled out and we all just basically discussed amongst ourselves, like how we interpreted this. 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:45.380 - It was very helpful to me to find out where people were landing. And I actually adjusted my scores a 00:06:45.380 --> 00:06:52.360 - bit on that basis, I think. So anyway, this is really a good place, I think, for a first take, is to 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:53.950 - have that word worked. 00:06:54.338 --> 00:07:01.514 - But that is fuzzy. That topic is fuzzy. Yeah. I agree. Actually, I have a question about the number 00:07:01.514 --> 00:07:08.978 - of full-time staff as an indicator of fundraising capacity. I remember in our first conversation, there 00:07:08.978 --> 00:07:16.441 - was a young girl who had submitted a project. But of course, she didn't have any staff. So I don't know 00:07:16.441 --> 00:07:22.110 - if I necessarily agree with that indicator. The rest of them make sense to me. 00:07:29.538 --> 00:07:42.781 - Okay, I said that I The full-time staff I don't agree with because I just don't think that that every 00:07:42.781 --> 00:07:56.414 - single organization will have full-time staff. Yeah What heading a heading home plan is for example, I'm 00:07:57.154 --> 00:08:08.009 - Definition would be helpful for for someone who's new like me So the definition for What would be helpful 00:08:08.009 --> 00:08:18.250 - for someone like you? I'm sorry, um the the under the community partnerships tab or Section it says 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:26.238 - I really struggled with as well. Okay Yeah, I just don't know what that is No 00:08:26.626 --> 00:08:35.442 - Okay, so Any Home is an organization in town that is working towards eliminating homelessness. And I 00:08:35.442 --> 00:08:44.171 - think it was used as an example of what a community partnership like teaming up with someone rather 00:08:44.171 --> 00:08:53.074 - than trying to tackle a problem alone. I think part of the issue was there are some organizations who 00:08:53.074 --> 00:08:55.518 - don't work collaboratively, 00:08:55.650 --> 00:09:03.762 - with the rest of us and it makes it difficult for us to fund them. They may be duplicating services 00:09:03.762 --> 00:09:11.873 - and or they are not doing it efficiently for someone else to do it better. So I think that was part 00:09:11.873 --> 00:09:20.552 - of the community partnerships. Does that sound correct? Okay. And heading home was just an example because 00:09:20.552 --> 00:09:24.446 - they're doing a lot in this community right now 00:09:24.578 --> 00:09:32.142 - they are very good at bringing in organizations to work with them. So I think that was just an example, 00:09:32.142 --> 00:09:39.270 - not a prerequisite of being a community learner. So, because I haven't seen the applications yet, 00:09:39.270 --> 00:09:46.689 - do you know, Aria or Sophia, if you've seen the applications, is there a question on there that would 00:09:46.689 --> 00:09:50.398 - somewhat help us determine community partnerships? 00:09:52.162 --> 00:09:57.809 - I mean, first thing I can spend just the collaborative ones, but that's like a separate thing, 00:09:57.809 --> 00:10:04.169 - I feel like, like an indicator, but there's no question that was really, like, do you work all the groups? 00:10:04.169 --> 00:10:10.172 - Yeah. I feel like that might just be like a dead end. Yeah. Cause I felt like that was, that was one 00:10:10.172 --> 00:10:16.176 - that I had a hard time finding the information for. I mean, did, did anybody have tips? Cause I just 00:10:16.176 --> 00:10:19.742 - approach it wrong. I mean, you know, something in the work. 00:10:19.874 --> 00:10:26.156 - So I am familiar with the partners. I'm familiar with the one, I'm not going to put anyone out, but 00:10:26.156 --> 00:10:32.565 - familiar with the ones that are harder to enter the table. So I have those like internal bias, right? 00:10:32.565 --> 00:10:39.098 - That internal bias. So that's just me, but I'm not sure some folks here know other organizations better 00:10:39.098 --> 00:10:45.569 - than others. They know, yeah, they're out there on the farm. So. Yeah. But you've got an institutional 00:10:45.569 --> 00:10:47.454 - knowledge that the rest of us 00:10:47.874 --> 00:10:54.108 - don't necessarily. A lot of it was like main rock and boom is that I was looking for this like, like 00:10:54.108 --> 00:11:00.651 - the leveraging resources so I don't have any money left on me. Yeah. Outside of like things I was already 00:11:00.651 --> 00:11:07.070 - learning. Yeah. Okay, so the lasting contribution, number of full-time staff and community partnerships 00:11:07.070 --> 00:11:13.366 - are the three that are in question right now. I think, yes. I'll just jump in real quick if I can and 00:11:13.366 --> 00:11:17.502 - just say, I think last time around I used the lasting contribution 00:11:17.954 --> 00:11:28.491 - of category rating as a way to help me with the trouble I had with the fact that you could have, or 00:11:28.491 --> 00:11:39.344 - at least I, could have a series of scores that added up for two different agencies to a similar total, 00:11:39.344 --> 00:11:43.454 - but for any of various reasons, I felt 00:11:43.810 --> 00:11:50.369 - Much stronger that one just did something that was more urgent or more important overall Even though 00:11:50.369 --> 00:11:56.863 - this might have had the similar number of people impacted Same number they could have been the same 00:11:56.863 --> 00:12:03.487 - in a lot of ways but I was looking for ways to like somehow give those projects that I just felt were 00:12:03.487 --> 00:12:10.306 - just more We're just just contributed more were just more important and I think I last seen contribution 00:12:10.306 --> 00:12:12.254 - was one of the places where I 00:12:12.866 --> 00:12:19.894 - I kind of gave use that to be able to give more weight to projects that scored similar similarly, but 00:12:19.894 --> 00:12:27.060 - I thought were actually not that comparable in terms of their overall potential, uh, beneficial impact. 00:12:27.060 --> 00:12:33.950 - See what I'm saying? Yeah. So almost like you saved it till later. And then if there were one score 00:12:33.950 --> 00:12:41.116 - similarly, you used it almost like a tiebreaker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I like that. That, that makes 00:12:41.116 --> 00:12:42.494 - some sense. I mean, 00:12:43.522 --> 00:12:51.017 - I think, again, with these rubrics, we're all going to have our slightly own approach, 00:12:51.017 --> 00:12:59.976 - you know, interpretations of things. I like that. I could see using that as a helpful way to score that 00:12:59.976 --> 00:13:05.662 - category. Yeah. And really what I think we're talking about, too, 00:13:05.922 --> 00:13:11.827 - With that particular category, which I feel like I see differently now when I saw it last year is really 00:13:11.827 --> 00:13:17.451 - the level of measure ability of impact at the end of the day. And so we're looking at direct versus 00:13:17.451 --> 00:13:23.187 - indirect. It's like, okay, the direct impact of fixing the floors that and this house like for a long 00:13:23.187 --> 00:13:25.886 - term long term impact of that is very tangible. 00:13:26.082 --> 00:13:32.614 - versus like paying for six months of a caseworker at the Beginner Recovery Alliance, how do we like 00:13:32.614 --> 00:13:39.278 - understand what the spillover effects are of that? And so that is like where to interact these phones 00:13:39.278 --> 00:13:45.941 - in. So it's like, I think that a lot of it's looking at how they talk about the measurability of, and 00:13:45.941 --> 00:13:52.734 - what the evidence they present of research based on like the impact of like, okay, this caseworker will 00:13:52.734 --> 00:13:55.870 - increase in fact being with six months because, 00:13:56.162 --> 00:14:03.661 - Yes, you know? Yeah. That does. But I feel like that's also kind of hard to... I mean, I think that 00:14:03.661 --> 00:14:11.160 - helps with us, or it helps me with defining what the category means, you know, kind of putting that 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:18.809 - definition, like Eddie said, you should start out with figuring out, defining that. Does anybody else 00:14:18.809 --> 00:14:24.958 - disagree with kind of taking that approach to lasting contribution or defining it 00:14:25.698 --> 00:14:35.867 - a bit in that way and then figuring out how to move forward with that category. All right, I hope that's 00:14:35.867 --> 00:14:45.648 - clearer. It feels clearer for me. Okay. And then, yeah, number of full-time staff as an indicator of 00:14:45.648 --> 00:14:54.558 - fundraising capacity. You're right, that's kind of arbitrary. But we're getting more points 00:14:54.658 --> 00:15:03.677 - who have less staff and have less bandwidth. We are giving an extra point to people who are doing, I 00:15:03.677 --> 00:15:12.875 - won't say doing more with less, but kind of that reason, right? I mean, we're knocking an organization 00:15:12.875 --> 00:15:21.804 - my size that have a lot of employees versus some other folks. So maybe we need to dial in on that a 00:15:21.804 --> 00:15:24.126 - little bit better because 00:15:24.738 --> 00:15:36.129 - 10 to 25 and 25 plus have the same amount of points. So it, yeah. Well, do we want to turn the 25 plus 00:15:36.129 --> 00:15:47.299 - more to a red where it's like medium low to 2.5? I don't know if that would totally mess up the math 00:15:47.299 --> 00:15:48.958 - on the charts. 00:15:49.538 --> 00:15:55.200 - Honestly, I feel like this, I heard this is a really good conversation that I think you could regard 00:15:55.200 --> 00:16:00.806 - good insight on in the sense that like it goes back to what our mission is ultimately like if we're 00:16:00.806 --> 00:16:06.412 - trying to disseminate more funding to other resource organizations, then that change is like how we 00:16:06.412 --> 00:16:12.019 - look at it. This is like, I don't know what you think being part of like a larger organization that 00:16:12.019 --> 00:16:15.102 - also works with a lot of other resource organizations. 00:16:15.618 --> 00:16:25.818 - Just to make it easier, maybe you've seen it staff didn't apply for a grant this year. So I feel more 00:16:25.818 --> 00:16:36.318 - comfortable kind of weighing in on this. So I definitely think larger organizations should be penalized. 00:16:36.318 --> 00:16:45.118 - But I think zero to 10 should be its own category. And then 10 to 50 is yellow and then 00:16:45.474 --> 00:16:53.897 - 15 and above is, I mean, these are arbitrary, but I think that definitely we should reward organizations 00:16:53.897 --> 00:17:02.641 - that are trying to do, because if they have less staff, it's probably because they're trying to do something 00:17:02.641 --> 00:17:10.824 - newer, right? They're a new organization. They don't have the history some of the other organizations 00:17:10.824 --> 00:17:13.150 - do. Yeah. I think, actually, 00:17:13.506 --> 00:17:22.412 - I realized it was not like an algorithm, it doesn't do the math for you. If we just market red, we're 00:17:22.412 --> 00:17:31.144 - the ones who are adding it up in our head. So if we add a 50 plus box that then chooses red, that's 00:17:31.144 --> 00:17:34.462 - easy enough to. Yeah, we can edit it. 00:17:36.610 --> 00:17:42.479 - I don't know if that has to happen during this meeting, but I'm thinking that's not what we're talking 00:17:42.479 --> 00:17:48.404 - about. So I can make edits and mark where you distribute if that would be helpful. Oh, cool. Thank you. 00:17:48.404 --> 00:17:54.216 - Yeah, I was just looking to edit on the Google Sheets so that's easy to edit and change those numbers 00:17:54.216 --> 00:18:00.369 - too. So does that sound, Catherine, does that sound like that makes sense and like might be a fair approach 00:18:00.369 --> 00:18:06.238 - for the full-time staff? Yeah, I think it's a fair approach and it also helps with context. Yes. Yeah. 00:18:06.946 --> 00:18:13.925 - Yeah. Thank you, Eddie, for giving your insights. That is helpful. And then I think, yeah, maybe we 00:18:13.925 --> 00:18:21.254 - add 50 plus gets a red box. Yeah. They have less points because they could spare staff. Not necessarily, 00:18:21.254 --> 00:18:28.652 - but we may have more staff that can do more fundraising for that particular organization. So for scoring, 00:18:28.652 --> 00:18:35.422 - are you thinking the same, like, green is one, yellow is half a point, and red is mirror points? 00:18:36.386 --> 00:18:43.866 - Yeah, but last year I had this issue where a lot of my scores were very similar to each other. So it 00:18:43.866 --> 00:18:51.494 - was very hard for me to, so I was going through everything, I was allocating money. Then I got to this 00:18:51.494 --> 00:18:59.049 - category where everyone had the same score and I couldn't, and I admittedly couldn't find anyone else 00:18:59.049 --> 00:19:05.566 - because I couldn't make a big decision. So maybe we need to add another color in there. 00:19:05.826 --> 00:19:15.056 - Um, like maybe green gets two points now, and then yellow gets a point when there's a half point when 00:19:15.056 --> 00:19:24.920 - there's no points. And that might need, that might have a wider range of sports that we can choose perfectly 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:35.326 - from. Yeah. But then it doesn't match a traffic one. And that's not as easy to. Yeah. I, I can see doing two, one. 00:19:35.458 --> 00:19:48.656 - half and zero points. So like thinking about this one as an example, so zero to 10 would be two, 11 00:19:48.656 --> 00:20:02.250 - to 15 would be one, and then 15 and above would be half? 15 and 99, half. Okay. Okay, thank you. Okay, 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:03.966 - and then the 00:20:05.186 --> 00:20:14.070 - The really tough one in my brain was the community partnerships. But the question isn't asked on the 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:22.866 - application. Maybe you should just start this one from our rubric. I would be fine with that. Yeah, 00:20:22.866 --> 00:20:31.663 - it's not specific for you. Is anybody attached to the community partnerships question? I understand 00:20:31.663 --> 00:20:33.246 - the intent of it. 00:20:34.050 --> 00:20:42.707 - But it's something that is, I found so tricky last year. It's not directly on gender assets. Yeah, 00:20:42.707 --> 00:20:51.538 - I mean, 100%. Yeah. Does anybody feel differently about striking it? So we're not going to use it to 00:20:51.538 --> 00:21:00.370 - evaluate at all? Is it? Or? I just want to. So the groups applying had that likely intention that we 00:21:00.370 --> 00:21:03.518 - were going to use that as a, right? 00:21:04.258 --> 00:21:10.692 - I don't think so because it's not a question in the application. If they were paying attention to the 00:21:10.692 --> 00:21:17.190 - rubric last year, maybe? Because I think I know some groups that might have been looking for community 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:23.056 - partners but couldn't find them and then were dissuaded from applying for that reason. Well, 00:21:23.056 --> 00:21:29.869 - one of the... I'm so sorry. Well, just to say that I'm not opposed to that because I think it's problematic 00:21:29.869 --> 00:21:33.086 - too and obviously they found it to be problematic. 00:21:33.186 --> 00:21:41.823 - Um, but, um, don't feel unfair. Well, I'm just kind of changing, changing things up. So maybe, maybe 00:21:41.823 --> 00:21:50.631 - we don't use it as part of the rubric, but we, but we keep it in mind as we go ahead and discuss these 00:21:50.631 --> 00:21:59.439 - things. I don't know about the bonus. Category that we can award bonus books, which I hated. Well, but 00:21:59.439 --> 00:22:01.662 - maybe you hate the bonus. 00:22:01.890 --> 00:22:08.241 - I did because I was like, that just feels like it's us putting our thumb on the scale. I like this. 00:22:08.241 --> 00:22:14.656 - Or I felt something, you know, just a personal bias we could put in. Like we didn't have, um, I felt 00:22:14.656 --> 00:22:21.071 - like we didn't have really good guidance on what, I know it says right there, like, yeah, we can, we 00:22:21.071 --> 00:22:27.487 - have flexibility, but maybe we can come up with certain categories. Like, did they specify community 00:22:27.487 --> 00:22:31.742 - partnership? They can give us, you know, did they have X, Y, or Z? 00:22:31.938 --> 00:22:40.938 - that can get, you can consider giving them a bonus for that. Would that make you feel better about striking 00:22:40.938 --> 00:22:49.355 - the community partnerships as a forced gradient? Yeah, that's sort of a good compromise, I think. Do 00:22:49.355 --> 00:22:57.855 - you guys agree? You're finding it difficult with, you know, sort of changing things sort of midstream 00:22:57.855 --> 00:23:01.022 - or, but then again, it doesn't appear 00:23:01.570 --> 00:23:31.230 - Yeah, because I mean we hadn't approved a rubric before the applications went out so 00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:44.518 - I get both sides, I do. All right, I think I vote to strike community partnerships. And I think my logic 00:23:44.518 --> 00:23:52.587 - last year during that was just like the required piece about the heavy metal plan. But like, I don't 00:23:52.587 --> 00:24:00.576 - think I had a full understanding of what that meant. And so I tried to overgeneralize it. So that's 00:24:00.576 --> 00:24:02.014 - what required me. 00:24:02.338 --> 00:24:10.373 - I don't want to take up too much more time because I know we have a lot of applications to go through, 00:24:10.373 --> 00:24:18.252 - but do we want to quickly maybe come up with a list of what we would consider in the bonus category, 00:24:18.252 --> 00:24:26.287 - such as community partnerships? I think they're explicitly apparent. Any other ideas for what we might 00:24:26.287 --> 00:24:31.358 - give a bonus point for? Maybe give it to one of the applications 00:24:31.458 --> 00:24:38.322 - which I know we're going to go through this in a little bit, but if, can we determine if they've ever, 00:24:38.322 --> 00:24:44.986 - for some of these organizations, I think every organization that applies at some point has received 00:24:44.986 --> 00:24:51.916 - the Jack Hopkins grant, a successful one. Can we give a point to organizations that have never received 00:24:51.916 --> 00:24:59.646 - the Jack Hopkins grant, if it's a ready application and then they get a point for being made and eventually made a, 00:25:00.034 --> 00:25:10.379 - to help with their work. We've got something on fire. To try to help get some new blood into the... 00:25:10.379 --> 00:25:21.034 - I think that the problem isn't... At least last few years, we've funded new stuff, so that way we have 00:25:21.034 --> 00:25:29.310 - a rubric and we can differentiate between organizations, maybe giving points to 00:25:29.410 --> 00:25:39.363 - the organization that never received a grant from us, so. Yeah. Well, Courtney, do you have problems 00:25:39.363 --> 00:25:49.611 - with one of the groups who also is a first-time applicant? I feel like you recuse yourself. I was going 00:25:49.611 --> 00:25:55.326 - to bring it up after this, so thank you for reminding me. 00:25:58.786 --> 00:26:07.645 - Any other feelings on like considering first timers for a bonus? You know, there's just like half a 00:26:07.645 --> 00:26:16.592 - point. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I agree with that idea. Or just because you're 00:26:16.592 --> 00:26:25.717 - a new. I mean, are arguably you could just do the opposite. You could say established, well-connected, 00:26:25.717 --> 00:26:27.134 - proven agencies 00:26:27.362 --> 00:26:34.764 - actually are more likely to do more bang for the buck with their grant because of their experience and 00:26:34.764 --> 00:26:42.165 - their connection and their history. So I'm not suggesting we do more for that, but one could make that 00:26:42.165 --> 00:26:49.351 - argument, I think. That's a valid argument, but at the same time, organizations that are successful 00:26:49.351 --> 00:26:53.950 - at fundraising who can't give more bang for the buck, this is a 00:26:54.178 --> 00:27:01.193 - a finite, and at the end of the day, you know, a lot of these organizations are getting a ton of money 00:27:01.193 --> 00:27:08.277 - to do things that I think a newer organization or a small organization can benefit from what they would 00:27:08.277 --> 00:27:15.087 - consider a substantial grant as opposed to a bigger organization where it's just, you know, they're 00:27:15.087 --> 00:27:21.694 - going to do good work with it, but it just feels strongly about trying to help out organizations 00:27:22.114 --> 00:27:28.387 - or potentially doing something new that no one else is. So just to be clear, are you suggesting, I'm 00:27:28.387 --> 00:27:34.723 - a little confused, maybe I'm not keeping you up, but are you suggesting adding an entirely new column 00:27:34.723 --> 00:27:40.934 - for that purpose or just using a bonus that it would be part of the- It could be part of the bonus. 00:27:40.934 --> 00:27:47.518 - Because I could see that being very helpful because I was doing that anyway last year and I was thinking, 00:27:47.518 --> 00:27:49.630 - wow, this is something completely 00:27:50.210 --> 00:27:57.134 - I mean, this fills a niche that nobody else is doing. Maybe we're just sort of refining innovation. 00:27:57.134 --> 00:28:04.128 - I was just going to say it does say innovation. So maybe this is how we're defining, partly defining 00:28:04.128 --> 00:28:11.329 - innovation, you know, an older organization. Oh, go ahead, Catherine. It could also be, I mean, a large 00:28:11.329 --> 00:28:18.046 - organization that's innovative and has never applied for a grant before. That's very good. Yeah. 00:28:18.498 --> 00:28:27.083 - or even an organization that has applied and won before, but they're doing something totally out of 00:28:27.083 --> 00:28:36.097 - box that we've not seen before. I see what Eddie's saying though, because it tends to be the same groups 00:28:36.097 --> 00:28:44.854 - are pulling in, they kind of parking and request a certain amount and pretty soon, it becomes kind of 00:28:44.854 --> 00:28:46.142 - fossilized and 00:28:46.402 --> 00:28:53.138 - I mean, if anything, if the rubric helps bring some people off to the top, because if everyone has the 00:28:53.138 --> 00:28:59.808 - same scores, we're going to hit all these folks, give money to a lot of the same people, which that's 00:28:59.808 --> 00:29:07.001 - not necessarily a problem. I'm not saying all these organizations are doing a lot of stuff for our community. 00:29:07.001 --> 00:29:13.737 - But if we can give points to folks so that way they kind of rise to the top because they are new, they 00:29:13.737 --> 00:29:16.222 - are trying to do something different, 00:29:16.642 --> 00:29:26.077 - I think that's something that we can talk about and it wouldn't be a ton of points. I mean, we're talking 00:29:26.077 --> 00:29:35.067 - about like a half a point, but that might make a difference where we recognize someone. Eddie, can I 00:29:35.067 --> 00:29:42.366 - ask you then, do you have a feeling that any new program or agency is going to be 00:29:42.754 --> 00:29:51.098 - Automatically disadvantaged in the other rubric categories because they don't have some of these things. 00:29:51.098 --> 00:29:59.362 - There's going to be hard to score them high in some areas, maybe. So this helps. This would help offset 00:29:59.362 --> 00:30:07.468 - some of that. I mean, you know, maybe. Yeah. Okay. I get it. Yeah. I do feel like the bonus column is 00:30:07.468 --> 00:30:09.534 - also very subjective. So. 00:30:11.106 --> 00:30:16.932 - I think, again, it kind of comes down to, we're all gonna have our own rules for how we're interpreting 00:30:16.932 --> 00:30:22.871 - certain things. And so, you know, I may be giving a bonus point for community partnerships where somebody 00:30:22.871 --> 00:30:28.697 - else doesn't think it's important and they're not gonna give a bonus point for partnerships. So I think 00:30:28.697 --> 00:30:34.355 - that's then how it all comes out in the wash at the end of the day when we do our allocation meeting 00:30:34.355 --> 00:30:40.574 - and we talk through everything. That's where the negotiation part comes in. I feel better having a little more 00:30:41.218 --> 00:30:48.310 - just having had the conversation about some of these categories to see, to take everybody's temperature, 00:30:48.310 --> 00:30:55.065 - how are they thinking about each of these and helping give me ideas for how to think about them and 00:30:55.065 --> 00:31:01.887 - make sure we're not, you know, like marbles running off in completely separate directions. Are there 00:31:01.887 --> 00:31:08.642 - any other ideas for the bonus category that anybody thinks are worth keeping in mind about awarding 00:31:08.642 --> 00:31:11.006 - a bonus point or half a point for? 00:31:20.290 --> 00:31:28.705 - Well, I feel like that covers the rubric. Wait, I have one more thing that I remember. I just remember 00:31:28.705 --> 00:31:37.283 - came up. What was that? For residents served, we started talking about looking at that as a ratio versus 00:31:37.283 --> 00:31:45.698 - a number, a ratio of number of residents served to ASC. I think we brought that up. Oh, yes. Okay. You 00:31:45.698 --> 00:31:50.110 - mean like, so it's important. Yeah, serving a lot of, 00:31:50.306 --> 00:31:56.928 - Residents with a small ass versus a few residents with a large ass. Yeah. And maybe that's not even 00:31:56.928 --> 00:32:03.617 - something that's like, I don't know how important we want to classify that, but like, you know, like 00:32:03.617 --> 00:32:10.570 - if they're asking for a certain amount, but our own serving or 10 people versus like that kind of thing, 00:32:10.570 --> 00:32:17.193 - just because that fits under specifically what we're talking about in the guidelines, which is like 00:32:17.193 --> 00:32:18.782 - maximizing. Yeah. Yeah. 00:32:19.938 --> 00:32:25.044 - Can I say something specifically? One of the recommendations that I did think of when I was looking 00:32:25.044 --> 00:32:30.252 - at applications was doing like a amount requested for like resident serve, like just simple division. 00:32:30.252 --> 00:32:35.562 - And that way you can consider like per person how much is like being allocated. If that would be a full 00:32:35.562 --> 00:32:40.667 - bank, that would just be me. I think that would be super helpful. Yeah. Yeah. Like I think that was 00:32:40.667 --> 00:32:46.590 - a more powerful number than just that number. Or it tells a different story. Yeah. I mean, I think that's, I think, 00:32:47.394 --> 00:32:55.710 - Yes, I think that completes the picture of we have the category of residents served that we plug that 00:32:55.710 --> 00:33:04.270 - in. Oh, yeah. It helps it on both sides, potentially. We can keep that one and then add the ratio. Yeah. 00:33:04.270 --> 00:33:12.668 - So if we could do that, that would be amazing. Cool. OK. All right. Are we good on the rubric then for 00:33:12.668 --> 00:33:15.358 - now? Is that feeling pretty set? 00:33:18.722 --> 00:33:26.229 - Awesome, thank you. So we will get that updated. And then I know you're putting it in the chat. 00:33:26.229 --> 00:33:34.128 - I can have it. Yeah, yeah, I can make that and send it back to you. That's nice. Awesome, thank you. 00:33:34.128 --> 00:33:42.182 - Okay, cool. So we are set with that. Isak is still not here. I think he texted. Okay, he's on his way. 00:33:42.182 --> 00:33:46.718 - All right, he's on his way. So let's quickly do Cameron's 00:33:47.106 --> 00:33:55.327 - Um conflict of interest. Does she need to like she's going to need to sign something or you don't know 00:33:55.327 --> 00:34:03.468 - council stuff. Yeah, it is. Isn't it? Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you can like officially declare it in 00:34:03.468 --> 00:34:11.848 - the meeting now and then um I declare I have a uh conflict of interest with silver lining rescue because 00:34:11.848 --> 00:34:16.318 - of my longer board. Thank you. So we will just have you 00:34:17.218 --> 00:34:28.423 - It does recuse me as soon as I step out. And I appreciate you bringing it up when we were discussing 00:34:28.423 --> 00:34:39.518 - an issue that would actually specifically affect your innovation. So that was great. And now I lost 00:34:39.518 --> 00:34:44.510 - my cheat sheet for tonight. So bear with me. 00:34:48.610 --> 00:34:56.590 - So we'll move on to, we'll get started with, actually, let's talk about the allocation meeting date. 00:34:56.590 --> 00:35:04.570 - Right now we have it on Thursday, the 28th of May. I would like to propose moving it to Tuesday, the 00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:12.471 - 26th of May for the same time. I know we had, I believe we had some conflicts with Tuesdays because 00:35:12.471 --> 00:35:17.054 - there was teaching, maybe there were classes at the time, 00:35:17.762 --> 00:35:27.595 - It's the end of May, so I'm hoping all those classes would be over. Would anybody have a conflict with 00:35:27.595 --> 00:35:37.332 - moving into that Tuesday, the 26th of May? I may be traveling. OK. But I could potentially be Zooming 00:35:37.332 --> 00:35:46.974 - as I'm traveling. Mm-hmm. So I could set up a hotspot. I know it's right after Memorial Day weekend. 00:35:47.586 --> 00:35:57.473 - But I could make it work, I think. Or I might be already at my destination soon. OK. Oh, you mean like 00:35:57.473 --> 00:36:07.647 - actively in transit? I have a long drive that day. I see. But I might have arrived. Where are you driving 00:36:07.647 --> 00:36:17.150 - to? I've got a nine hour drive. What about Monday? It's Memorial Day. Yeah, Monday's Memorial Day. 00:36:17.570 --> 00:36:27.923 - Yeah. So anyway, so it works from anywhere. Yeah. Okay. I just want to tell you, I'm very busy. Okay. 00:36:27.923 --> 00:36:38.378 - Very much busy. Does anybody else have a potential conflict with that? Tuesday, May 26, if we did from 00:36:38.378 --> 00:36:44.062 - six to nine for that one. Okay. Okay. Well, about, yes. 00:36:44.418 --> 00:36:50.646 - The only other thing not related to, well, because you have the notion for that one or that one. 00:36:50.646 --> 00:36:57.195 - I think so. Let me, you know what? I'm going to quickly test Esau before we set it. Sure. I'll see if 00:36:57.195 --> 00:37:03.872 - I can get him. Yes. I think he's sad, too. I looked at last year's conflict of interest form. You might 00:37:03.872 --> 00:37:10.293 - want to maybe run this by the council attorney then. It looks like it's only if there's a financial 00:37:10.293 --> 00:37:13.182 - gain. It's a financial conflict of interest. 00:37:13.570 --> 00:37:20.548 - I'm not going to turn in, so please double check that. But at the same time, I don't think it's harmful. 00:37:20.548 --> 00:37:27.392 - There's nothing from last year. And I'm not in the folder, so I don't think that's helpful. I was just 00:37:27.392 --> 00:37:34.037 - a little too involved in helping them build that together, but I didn't feel comfortable. If you're 00:37:34.037 --> 00:37:41.015 - not paid, that should be fine. OK. But if you'd like to have a checklist chair, I would recommend double 00:37:41.015 --> 00:37:42.942 - checking. I will. Thank you. 00:37:43.746 --> 00:37:55.481 - Okay. Sorry, this is obnoxious, I know. Our allocation meeting on May 28th to that Tuesday, 00:37:55.481 --> 00:38:08.365 - May 26th instead, question mark. My husband gets so mad when I do my talk to text when I'm messaging 00:38:08.365 --> 00:38:12.574 - people, but it's so much faster. 00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:25.605 - and so much fewer typos. Oh, okay. And also while we're waiting, I looked at the last meeting memo and 00:38:25.605 --> 00:38:37.755 - I don't believe you all voted on the agenda. So I don't think you would need to make another motion 00:38:37.755 --> 00:38:41.886 - today. We change it. Okay, great. 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:56.235 - E Sox says he can move it. So let's go ahead and officially move. We'll cancel May 28th and schedule 00:38:56.235 --> 00:39:09.150 - for May 26th. Thank you, everybody. I really appreciate it. There was no vote. Okay, motion. 00:39:09.826 --> 00:39:19.569 - I think he sucks trying to get out of coming. He keeps asking me, are you almost done? Do I still need 00:39:19.569 --> 00:39:28.556 - to come? I'm like, we haven't even started yet. Okay. Thank you. So now we can move on to the, 00:39:28.556 --> 00:39:38.110 - uh, applications. Very fun. I'm going to pull up my sheet. Was everybody able to access their sheet? 00:39:38.498 --> 00:39:47.464 - So the ones that I sent, you guys won't be able to edit, but you can save your own copy and download 00:39:47.464 --> 00:39:56.607 - it and then open it up on your own with edit abilities so that you can make notes on it. You can click 00:39:56.607 --> 00:40:04.862 - invite to interview. I have my copy here somewhere. Sorry, I thought I had it all pulled up. 00:40:11.682 --> 00:40:19.926 - mine in alphabetical order, so I'm out of order of probably how everybody else is looking at it. Yes. 00:40:19.926 --> 00:40:28.574 - Andy likes that one. I wouldn't even have known how to have done that. I live in Google Sheets. I organize 00:40:28.574 --> 00:40:36.898 - my whole life around them. Okay. Which one is first on the sheet? Can I just ask something real quick? 00:40:36.898 --> 00:40:41.182 - Yes. If I'm looking at everything and it's complete, 00:40:41.730 --> 00:40:51.096 - The sheet, the total request is only $520,000 or there about. I thought it was almost $700,000. 00:40:51.096 --> 00:41:00.852 - Is it $700,000? Maybe I added it wrong because I was going through and adding it. Did anyone add it 00:41:00.852 --> 00:41:11.486 - up? I did not. The request? I summed it and it was $696,300. Oh, wow. What's the total you got? $696,304.25. 00:41:12.514 --> 00:41:23.100 - Okay. All right. I probably don't see a lot of things. Okay. Okay. So that's, oh, you're, yeah, 696 00:41:23.100 --> 00:41:34.109 - through the phone. Okay. I guess I have to refuse myself. We need a normal corporation. Ask those board 00:41:34.109 --> 00:41:42.366 - directors. Okay. So I am not receiving any financial compensation for it, but 00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:59.008 - Okay, great. Thank you for letting us know. Does that make sense? For me, I just like didn't help them 00:41:59.008 --> 00:42:10.526 - with the brand. So that's fine. It doesn't affect my salary, but still. 00:42:11.074 --> 00:42:19.887 - Okay, better safe than sorry. Yeah, I mean, we still have more than enough people here to make that 00:42:19.887 --> 00:42:28.877 - decision. I'm not in there for one. Okay. All right. So the first application was Monroe County Court 00:42:28.877 --> 00:42:37.867 - appointed special advocates seeking support to improve our technology infrastructure for our training 00:42:37.867 --> 00:42:40.158 - and ongoing office needs. 00:42:41.154 --> 00:42:48.570 - Are we able to pull the application? That would be super helpful. Thank you. Are we able to access those 00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:55.774 - through our portal? So I had sent an email, I think it was about a month ago, sharing the instruction 00:42:55.774 --> 00:43:03.049 - on how to get the access because they'll have to go through and once you get through admin login, they 00:43:03.049 --> 00:43:09.406 - set up the account to give you access. I believe maybe two or three people had done that. 00:43:09.538 --> 00:43:21.439 - So, yeah, that's kind of the process, but if there's any questions regarding getting access, it would 00:43:21.439 --> 00:43:33.456 - be Jeremy, for ITS, and I can share that, you know, if necessary, but otherwise, I can project it out. 00:43:33.456 --> 00:43:36.606 - That's awesome. Thank you. 00:43:39.298 --> 00:43:46.805 - Let the record show that Council Member Asaru. Was egregiously late then. We're just happy to see you. 00:43:46.805 --> 00:43:54.312 - So can I just get clarification like for today, we're just saying we want to review their application. 00:43:54.312 --> 00:44:01.892 - If we know we want to refuse right off the bat for whatever reason, or if we want them to present. Some 00:44:01.892 --> 00:44:08.670 - of them we know we want to review them, but we don't necessarily think they need to present. 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:17.478 - What was I gonna say? I had a thought and it went away. I hate when that happens. I felt like it was 00:44:17.478 --> 00:44:25.866 - something important. Yeah, three o'clock in the morning. Love to call each other and be like, I know 00:44:25.866 --> 00:44:34.255 - what it was. Something about doing the application. Okay, nevermind. I'm gonna let it go. All right, 00:44:34.255 --> 00:44:36.414 - so Isak, we just started. 00:44:37.026 --> 00:44:51.193 - Um, so we are on Monroe County court pointed special advocates. I had a question. One of the things 00:44:51.193 --> 00:45:03.518 - that I thought was one of our rules is that you can move hard once as a single entity. 00:45:04.642 --> 00:45:12.777 - Looks like New Leaf New Life had two applications. One was collaborative. One was collaborative? I don't 00:45:12.777 --> 00:45:21.067 - know if I can double check that. Okay, so that, okay. Never mind that. That's great. All right. So Menorah 00:45:21.067 --> 00:45:28.892 - County Court Appointed Special Advocates. Where are they? I've seen them. What the applications look 00:45:28.892 --> 00:45:29.822 - like, yeah? 00:45:31.682 --> 00:45:42.780 - Technology infrastructure for our training and on-going office needs youth support. This is CASA, correct? 00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:53.360 - Mm-hmm. I don't believe that we need to present. And I don't see why we would ask why we would refuse 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.998 - their application. All right. Agreed. All right. So we can just 00:46:01.506 --> 00:46:19.172 - them along without we'll just invite no we're not inviting them but we're not refused okay super so 00:46:19.172 --> 00:46:30.302 - the next one is pantry 279 ink we did we weren't on that email 00:46:31.586 --> 00:46:39.513 - No, I know that to all of you guys, the one that I said, they asked me to get, but yeah. Got it. Yeah. 00:46:39.513 --> 00:46:47.286 - Thank you. Yeah. Cause I think we all missed it somehow. Um, he's like, do you want me to forward it 00:46:47.286 --> 00:46:54.982 - to you? So pantry 279, food delivery and children's food for their summer program, food, children's 00:46:54.982 --> 00:47:00.062 - summer food program, um, and delivering, covering delivery costs. 00:47:02.050 --> 00:47:13.563 - So they're asking $12,000. They serve a total of $43,000, but for Bloomington, almost $9,000. Does anybody 00:47:13.563 --> 00:47:24.430 - have any questions? Do we think we want them to present? We've not, during our tenure, we've not had 00:47:24.430 --> 00:47:28.734 - an application from Pantry 279 to here. 00:47:30.722 --> 00:47:37.340 - I don't think we have. I mean, I feel like they're probably pretty straightforward. We probably don't 00:47:37.340 --> 00:47:43.957 - have any questions. Now, we also do have the opportunity, the option to do some email questions if we 00:47:43.957 --> 00:47:50.575 - don't feel we need people to come in. Yeah, what did we land on last time? What did we land on? Like, 00:47:50.575 --> 00:47:57.646 - weren't we between, you know, last week just emailing people? And no presentations? If I remember correctly, 00:47:57.646 --> 00:47:58.814 - we felt like most 00:47:58.946 --> 00:48:06.757 - questions to be answered with an email. But some organizations... The only question I would have for 00:48:06.757 --> 00:48:14.568 - this organization is that when I pull it up in Google, it says that it's based in Ellitsville. Well, 00:48:14.568 --> 00:48:22.534 - that was my... Yeah. I don't think it warrants a whole discussion in person, but it'd be a nice email. 00:48:22.534 --> 00:48:28.798 - So the director just won, I think, Woman of the Year at the City of Wilmington's 00:48:30.146 --> 00:48:38.424 - Um, or one of the awards at the city of Linton's, uh, women's history luncheon. And I know that they 00:48:38.424 --> 00:48:46.867 - provide a lot of, um, for Monroe County as a whole. I don't think this one's saying we have a problem, 00:48:46.867 --> 00:48:55.063 - but if I could see us interviewing them and asking them direct words and questions, but I, they're, 00:48:55.063 --> 00:48:58.014 - they're not into being in town. So. 00:49:00.322 --> 00:49:08.306 - Yeah, I mean, that had been my initial thought on them, too. I was like, wait, I thought they were based 00:49:08.306 --> 00:49:16.063 - out of Alexville. Can anybody remember better than I can what? What was we took a boat our very first 00:49:16.063 --> 00:49:24.275 - time with that thing was to set a threshold for interviews for applicants, including first time applicants. 00:49:24.275 --> 00:49:29.598 - So I think the goal was to decide today what that threshold would be. 00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:41.347 - Okay, at the time you didn't set a threshold, but I think that was what the goal was once you had an 00:49:41.347 --> 00:49:52.869 - idea of what the Africans learned. I see. And it was, I think first timers is what we wanted to, yeah, 00:49:52.869 --> 00:49:58.014 - include. So in other words, set like a clear, 00:49:58.146 --> 00:50:04.318 - And if people fall within it, they automatically get invited. And if they don't, they automatically 00:50:04.318 --> 00:50:10.489 - just get email questions. And you all can determine that as a community today. OK. Actually, what I 00:50:10.489 --> 00:50:16.908 - was trying to, my question is, we also had taken a vote on, or no, there was change in the Jack Hoppins 00:50:16.908 --> 00:50:23.079 - groups about community they serve, where they're based, whether in Monroe County or specifically in 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.782 - Bloomington. That's what I wanted to pull up to try to find 00:50:31.234 --> 00:50:39.440 - what that change was. Does anybody on board are talking about? Like if they are, if they don't, because 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:47.566 - it had always been, they had to serve loomies and residents, but then there's a slight change to, they 00:50:47.566 --> 00:50:55.614 - have to be based in. It had something to do with that whole, the discussion was around that Hendricks 00:50:55.614 --> 00:51:00.190 - County thing, remember? And they've applied again, right? 00:51:01.250 --> 00:51:17.214 - They have, but they also have like a branch here in Bloomington. I think the question I think had actually 00:51:17.214 --> 00:51:29.598 - revolved around was that the Ellitsville Boys and Girls Club. Yeah. I'm on my own. 00:51:31.714 --> 00:51:41.514 - a change. Okay. So we should, okay. So do we need to set that threshold right now as a community and 00:51:41.514 --> 00:51:51.895 - then before moving on? That would be a good idea. Yeah. Okay. So I think first timers should automatically 00:51:51.895 --> 00:52:01.598 - be asked to give us a presentation or be invited to interview. Does anybody have any other specific 00:52:03.874 --> 00:52:11.902 - parameters that think we have to include or we have to exclude. Because anybody we don't include in 00:52:11.902 --> 00:52:20.010 - this parameters right now, we can't invite them to. They'll just get email questions. Unless we want 00:52:20.010 --> 00:52:28.199 - to reject them, I would say that anybody with a no on within city limits on the spreadsheet should be 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.206 - invited to an interview. 00:52:33.474 --> 00:52:42.530 - I mean, I suppose that could just be an email where you say, are you, are you in city limits? Like when 00:52:42.530 --> 00:52:51.325 - you explain how you're, but also they kind of have to. Yeah. I think that's fair to have them on the 00:52:51.325 --> 00:52:53.502 - invite list. Yeah. Okay. 00:53:01.378 --> 00:53:14.562 - those the only categories we want to come? The committee shall prioritize funding for programs and projects 00:53:14.562 --> 00:53:26.526 - that serve city Bloomington residents and are delivered within the city limits, which I have been 00:53:27.490 --> 00:53:34.016 - the rule of the law. That's when we voted for January 7th. Yeah. So they don't need to be in the city. 00:53:34.016 --> 00:53:40.415 - They're projects that get the city. Right. It doesn't matter if they're a person. They can be out of 00:53:40.415 --> 00:53:46.814 - the city. Yeah. A person from California could apply and say, I'm doing a project in Bloomington and 00:53:46.814 --> 00:53:53.593 - I want money to do it and we could grab that. But I'm serving it for, it is serving Bloomington residents. 00:53:53.593 --> 00:53:56.254 - Okay. So our parameters are first timers, 00:53:56.546 --> 00:54:06.636 - or people who have marked no to being within city limits? So we can ask them more deeply about how they're 00:54:06.636 --> 00:54:16.065 - serving women to the city limits. Is there any other category that we feel needs to be included? So 00:54:16.065 --> 00:54:25.118 - not be included in part, but like Hendricks County, we know why they're not within city limits. 00:54:25.474 --> 00:54:31.378 - at least the Hennepin County folks, Masusi's place did come and talk to us last year. We don't need 00:54:31.378 --> 00:54:37.460 - them to get from that, even though they mark them as the words. Can we make an exception that if we've 00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:43.600 - interviewed them before, if they qualify for one of these categories, but we've interviewed them within 00:54:43.600 --> 00:54:49.918 - the past two years, we can exclude them, or is that too late? No, yeah, I can't really. Okay. That's fine. 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:58.783 - We're kind of blinded in the blind here. Yes, exactly. So we can do that. Yes. All right. Well, then 00:54:58.783 --> 00:55:07.948 - does anybody want to make a motion? Are we ready to make a motion? I can't think of any other categories. 00:55:07.948 --> 00:55:14.174 - I'm going to be clear. You only want to do this categorically, not like 00:55:14.882 --> 00:55:24.107 - That was what we had decided at our last meeting we were going to do. In which case we should also do. 00:55:24.107 --> 00:55:33.243 - Okay. And the organizations that said no on candy or fund with partial funding. I don't think anybody 00:55:33.243 --> 00:55:43.006 - did say no. One did. I was scrolling through the sheet. No, one did. Oh, one did? Okay. Yeah, one did. Okay. 00:55:43.874 --> 00:56:09.438 - All right. I don't feel strongly about this is whether. 00:56:09.634 --> 00:56:16.660 - whether all of the collaborations should be interviews, because I think our collaborative application, 00:56:16.660 --> 00:56:23.891 - we only have two, I feel like our collaborative application, well, they're also kind of small, nevermind, 00:56:23.891 --> 00:56:30.985 - I take it back. We just have those two, now we have, oh no, I was looking at pressure funding. How many 00:56:30.985 --> 00:56:37.534 - do we have that are outside of, how many do we know that we can talk to at the top of our head, 00:56:38.818 --> 00:57:06.270 - I think we interviewed them last year. We interviewed them either last year or the year. Okay, I'm sorry. 00:57:11.138 --> 00:57:32.934 - They don't fall in any of these categories. I think I think the collaborative. Projects should be invited 00:57:32.934 --> 00:57:40.542 - to interview as well. To talk about. 00:57:41.410 --> 00:57:50.458 - I'd like to see that too. So that was my original thought. But my counterpoint to that is that the two 00:57:50.458 --> 00:57:59.769 - collaborative projects at the same time, there's one that's $30,000 and another is $5,000. I would always 00:57:59.769 --> 00:58:08.817 - say that collaborative with a threshold of $10,000. But then that's nobody. If you're feeling like the 00:58:08.817 --> 00:58:10.398 - app is too small, 00:58:11.298 --> 00:58:18.103 - I think it's pretty straightforward versus a big ass thing. I mean, that's the direction we would want 00:58:18.103 --> 00:58:24.710 - to go. Did we ask collaborative projects to present Wall Street? Yeah, because the example would be 00:58:24.710 --> 00:58:31.515 - to understand the relationship between entities. That's what I thought. We wanted to ask if they liked 00:58:31.515 --> 00:58:36.734 - the relationship between the thing they were doing and the collaborative ones. 00:58:36.898 --> 00:58:43.118 - I know it's small, but I'd like to hear about the collaboration between New Leaf New Life and Courage 00:58:43.118 --> 00:58:49.276 - to Change, just as they both have individual applications in. I don't think we're gonna ask somebody 00:58:49.276 --> 00:58:55.679 - to make a comment, so I'm fine with it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just want to understand what we're doing. 00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:02.082 - Yeah, yeah, okay, so yeah, we'll leave the collaborative in. So, I'd be ready for a motion at any point. 00:59:02.082 --> 00:59:04.094 - So this is a motion to interview 00:59:04.290 --> 00:59:15.095 - social service agencies that are first timers that answered no on partial funding, that answered no 00:59:15.095 --> 00:59:26.333 - on whether they were within Bloomington and those that have collaborative projects. Is that everything? 00:59:26.333 --> 00:59:28.062 - Yes. Thank you. 00:59:39.650 --> 00:59:49.294 - Jason. Do I do that? You're the chair. I'm supposed to be the chair. Don't get me. I thought you would 00:59:49.294 --> 00:59:58.845 - just type in the motion. All right. I will call the roll. I will start on Zoom. Catherine. Yes. Andy. 00:59:58.845 --> 01:00:07.646 - Yes. Dave. Yes. Isaac. Yes. Cameron. Yes. Eddie. Yes. Me. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. 01:00:08.962 --> 01:00:16.227 - Thank you, everybody. Well, now that we've done that, that was really what I thought we were going to 01:00:16.227 --> 01:00:23.635 - be doing the bulk of the meeting tonight was going through one by one and determining who we were going 01:00:23.635 --> 01:00:30.757 - to invite. Do we want to go through and talk about if there's anybody we want to refuse right after 01:00:30.757 --> 01:00:37.310 - that, or do we want to still? We also need to determine what questions we have, right? Yes. 01:00:38.882 --> 01:00:48.051 - Did you have a question? Even for the people who are asking, we should probably still send them questions 01:00:48.051 --> 01:00:57.220 - that we haven't. OK. And this time, I'm just throwing it out as a suggestion. No, that's good. I'm having 01:00:57.220 --> 01:01:06.129 - a crazy time trying to get into this. Go down to the bottom of the sheet and clip lock and not the top 01:01:06.129 --> 01:01:08.638 - of the sheet. And locked in. 01:01:09.058 --> 01:01:24.382 - I don't have it either. Do I download CSV? Is that going to get me to all the applications? No, not. 01:01:24.382 --> 01:01:37.886 - All right. Well, we'll rely on this. I think that's what he has to do from the back end. 01:01:38.978 --> 01:01:46.408 - Oh, so none of us can get into it right now. Well, if you just saw him, you'd know because he needs 01:01:46.408 --> 01:01:54.210 - to go in and assign you guys like access to it. That's why I got it. Okay. I thought it was a me problem 01:01:54.210 --> 01:02:01.640 - because it usually is. Okay. Great. Thank you. I feel better now. So looking at Monroe County court 01:02:01.640 --> 01:02:05.950 - appointed special service at special advocates. So pasta. 01:02:07.042 --> 01:02:14.582 - training, technology, infrastructure, and office project. They're seeking to support to improve their 01:02:14.582 --> 01:02:22.122 - technology infrastructure for their training and ongoing office needs. They are seeking just a little 01:02:22.122 --> 01:02:29.514 - over $9,000. They can partially fund. The majority of their services are for Bloomington residents. 01:02:29.514 --> 01:02:34.910 - They're within city limits. It's not collaborative. It's youth services. 01:02:37.410 --> 01:02:46.972 - Does anybody have any questions about this one off the top of their heads? And they don't qualify for 01:02:46.972 --> 01:02:56.533 - any of our invites. So we're not inviting them to interview. So then we did already move on to pantry 01:02:56.533 --> 01:03:04.126 - 279 and they are being invited to interview because they are out of city limits. 01:03:06.370 --> 01:03:15.365 - Does anybody have any questions off the top of their head that they know they want to ask pantry 279 01:03:15.365 --> 01:03:24.628 - specific, but on this application, on the spreadsheet, you see there were density limits. That's what's 01:03:24.628 --> 01:03:33.534 - confusing to me. But then all of their public facing information says that it's based in Alexville. 01:03:34.082 --> 01:03:42.127 - Yeah, everything I always hear about them. That's the question. Can you just say, where are you located 01:03:42.127 --> 01:03:49.476 - and how do you say it? If it's helpful for me to address something at this point. Yes, please. 01:03:49.476 --> 01:03:57.444 - In years past, I believe they have been interviewed and it is based on the data that they collect from 01:03:57.444 --> 01:04:03.710 - individuals. You have to read your name and then advertise and there's a certain 01:04:04.258 --> 01:04:11.178 - amount of time that you are, I think, I don't know if you can go on your day, but they collect that 01:04:11.178 --> 01:04:18.098 - data, so that's how they're able to say they served blue business. I see, okay. Even though they're 01:04:18.098 --> 01:04:25.156 - not based in Bloomington. That makes sense. So do we also have a mechanism for, and I'm sure this has 01:04:25.156 --> 01:04:32.561 - come up in years past, and we've probably discussed it then too, how to make sure the money we're granting 01:04:32.561 --> 01:04:34.014 - only goes toward the 01:04:34.338 --> 01:04:41.763 - services are provided to the Bloomington residents. Yes, because it's a refund model. So they say what 01:04:41.763 --> 01:04:49.405 - they're going to spend and then they make an agreement with the city that they will spend on those things 01:04:49.405 --> 01:04:56.974 - and then they get refunded after spending on those things. So that's the that's the that's the mechanism 01:04:56.974 --> 01:05:03.390 - right there. So this is just to clarify their street address is actually in Bloomington. 01:05:03.810 --> 01:05:13.971 - 47404. And I think when they applied previously, they were in Alexville, but now they look at the city 01:05:13.971 --> 01:05:24.133 - limits. So that changes at the end of the Illinois audit. It's up to you. But yeah, just look at their 01:05:24.133 --> 01:05:33.406 - address, and it is located 3609 West Cedar Road 46, Luton, and Manor 47404 behind the Arby's. 01:05:34.690 --> 01:05:42.243 - That is, okay. That is a right. I see, I see the confusion because that is that lot, like right at the, 01:05:42.243 --> 01:05:49.579 - that's where like urban areas. So that is confusing because it is considered Alexville, but it's not 01:05:49.579 --> 01:05:57.132 - technically Alexville. I used to live right up behind there. That's why I know. Like, did you say 3609? 01:05:57.132 --> 01:06:02.942 - 36 or what? 36, oh, 3609, I'm sorry. West State Road, 46. Oh, yeah, yeah. 4744. 01:06:03.042 --> 01:06:13.755 - It is outside city limits because it is technically when I lived back there, we didn't get city services. 01:06:13.755 --> 01:06:23.861 - I just checked my building time. Oh, that's easy. Okay, so we definitely will invite them to not to 01:06:23.861 --> 01:06:32.350 - make more work. That area does get confusing. Okay. So we know we want to ask them, 01:06:33.378 --> 01:06:42.739 - How do you serve Bloomington residents and what was the other one? I think that's the greater one here. 01:06:42.739 --> 01:06:51.919 - Is that something though, if I may encounter that we have to bring the, if it's only one question, is 01:06:51.919 --> 01:07:01.100 - that warrant a whole like coming in and taking time off or in the evening to do that? Could that just 01:07:01.100 --> 01:07:02.270 - be an email? 01:07:05.538 --> 01:07:14.743 - Like if it's just, maybe there's a threshold, like it's like one question or is it four questions? That 01:07:14.743 --> 01:07:23.595 - pantry 279 was a newer, this was the first application, but we were just told that it's very cheap. 01:07:23.595 --> 01:07:28.286 - So yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't see why that name. 01:07:30.114 --> 01:07:36.940 - But if they're a new organization, is there something we want to ask them? Or are we just asking them 01:07:36.940 --> 01:07:43.700 - to re-litigate, or to re-explain why they're applying? Is there something specific about them being? 01:07:43.700 --> 01:07:50.526 - I agree with that. I agree from the application. Anyone want to ask? I totally agree with Catherine's 01:07:50.526 --> 01:07:57.487 - point. And maybe once we go over the questions, we can make a motion to exclude folks from the criteria 01:07:57.487 --> 01:08:00.030 - if we found that we had no questions. 01:08:03.554 --> 01:08:13.170 - and move that upon evaluating questions that we exclude people for whom we don't have more than three 01:08:13.170 --> 01:08:22.785 - questions. Well, I mean, they could zoom. It's also one question could be a big question, like how do 01:08:22.785 --> 01:08:32.212 - these organizations relate to each other? Yeah, good point. It's just that one question may lead to 01:08:32.212 --> 01:08:33.438 - more impact. 01:08:33.602 --> 01:08:41.277 - Um, I mean, I'm not, um, Katherine makes a really good point. We don't need to drag somebody into, 01:08:41.277 --> 01:08:49.263 - you know, just a simple. We could, we could say that if we have less than three questions, we can vote 01:08:49.263 --> 01:08:57.248 - to exclude them, excuse them, not exclude. We'll say excuse them from the criteria, but we could still 01:08:57.248 --> 01:09:01.822 - choose to invite them in if we just have one big question. 01:09:02.722 --> 01:09:13.808 - I'm going to take an alert to excuse. Does that sound appropriate? Mm-hmm. OK. I'm going to get a motion. 01:09:13.808 --> 01:09:24.372 - Oh, the sun moves. OK. Yeah. You can also, at the very end, go back through your list of people that 01:09:24.372 --> 01:09:31.902 - you've selected to interview and decide those you choose to excuse. Oh. 01:09:32.258 --> 01:09:47.267 - I like it. Okay. I would draw the motion and I, and I moved exactly what the honorable chief said. Okay. 01:09:47.267 --> 01:09:58.846 - Well, thank you. Okay. Courage to change sober living. So we'll allow residents. 01:09:59.106 --> 01:10:07.060 - to actively engage in monthly or twice monthly recreational and educational pro-social activities in 01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:15.487 - and around Bloomington. They're requesting 4.5 thousand. Yes to partial funding. They serve 37 Bloomington 01:10:15.487 --> 01:10:23.678 - residents, 37 total residents. So they are within Bloomington city limits. They are not a collaborative 01:10:23.678 --> 01:10:24.702 - application. 01:10:27.618 --> 01:10:38.257 - questions off the cuff for them. I don't see any. Maybe we hear from them every year and I don't think 01:10:38.257 --> 01:10:48.999 - we need to invite them in. Okay. Pathways Inc. holding the line for families support to bridge a sudden 01:10:48.999 --> 01:10:53.854 - $750,000 federal funding gap in 2026 to assist 01:10:53.954 --> 01:11:01.292 - to sustain proven high impact programs that support families facing housing instability, economic strain, 01:11:01.292 --> 01:11:08.423 - and childcare barriers while advancing the city's consolidated plan priorities and long-term financial 01:11:08.423 --> 01:11:15.554 - sustainability. They're asking for 50,000. They served 480 Bloomington residents, although their total 01:11:15.554 --> 01:11:21.854 - served is 405. I think that question was confusing for a lot of applicants because there's 01:11:22.242 --> 01:11:27.963 - quite a bit of people who have that. Yeah. Like discrepancy within the answers. Yeah. They serve more 01:11:27.963 --> 01:11:33.572 - Bloomington residents than they serve total people. Yeah, I'm not completely sure what they're... I 01:11:33.572 --> 01:11:39.237 - think that happened a couple times last year, too. Yeah. Did we hear from them in the past? Have we? 01:11:39.237 --> 01:11:45.071 - They're a family, right? They change their name. That's right. Thank you for the reminder. I don't feel 01:11:45.071 --> 01:11:49.726 - like they need to have any of them. Also, no studies. They don't fit our criteria. 01:11:50.882 --> 01:11:58.467 - Yeah, they don't they're just under a different name, which is what confused us We're going to be how 01:11:58.467 --> 01:12:06.126 - many questions we want to ask them in writing Well, i'd like i'd like to know about that that loss was 01:12:06.126 --> 01:12:13.933 - that seven hundred fifty thousand dollars to Just what they did in this community Annually the the money 01:12:13.933 --> 01:12:20.254 - they would receive from the federal government. I That just seems like a huge number 01:12:22.594 --> 01:12:32.352 - I think that's for the child care vouchers. But I don't know their financials off the top of my head, 01:12:32.352 --> 01:12:42.205 - but they may be taking that because of child care voucher, they have to exclude families and or reduce 01:12:42.205 --> 01:12:50.910 - services. OK, so maybe that's one for an email for them. Sure. Asking where where did that 01:12:51.138 --> 01:12:59.073 - $750,000 number come out of that. Yeah, what does it represent or whatever child care? Yeah, does it 01:12:59.073 --> 01:13:07.243 - represent is it from child care vouchers? Is it a national? Yeah federal funding loss Just some details 01:13:07.243 --> 01:13:14.942 - on that, okay Anybody else have any other questions that they would like included in the email? I 01:13:21.122 --> 01:13:28.659 - email them. Thank you, Andy. Developmental Services Inc. Independence Kitchen Project. This program 01:13:28.659 --> 01:13:36.497 - delivers hands-on culinary training to individuals with disabilities and their support staff to promote 01:13:36.497 --> 01:13:44.109 - food independence, improve nutritional consistency, and strengthen daily living skills. They are new 01:13:44.109 --> 01:13:50.590 - to us, correct? I believe that they are, but at the same time, I think DSI used to be 01:13:50.722 --> 01:14:03.244 - options for better learning. And I don't, but I don't think options is required for a few years. 01:14:03.244 --> 01:14:16.282 - But I, yeah, I'm not, I don't know how we knew the output process. Does that ring a bell to anybody? 01:14:16.282 --> 01:14:20.542 - Developmental services, I think? 01:14:24.482 --> 01:14:34.464 - Yeah. I mean, they, they have all over Indiana. Yeah. But I don't see anything about a name change on 01:14:34.464 --> 01:14:43.468 - there. They, they bought a device to OBL. Formerly known as Life Design. Life Design. Yeah. 01:14:43.468 --> 01:14:47.774 - They've had, they've gone through a couple. 01:14:50.370 --> 01:14:59.433 - Have we interviewed them or have they applied before? I don't recall. I don't think they applied before 01:14:59.433 --> 01:15:08.845 - ever, but I remember them through the last few years. Yeah. So I think we need to invite them to interview. 01:15:08.845 --> 01:15:12.766 - And then what questions do we have for them? 01:15:24.290 --> 01:15:32.927 - I'm sorry, I was typing in the comments, like the questions and notes. No, you're on this page. I thought 01:15:32.927 --> 01:15:41.482 - it was my copy. No, you're really funny. But that's good, because we need... It's not my personal notes, 01:15:41.482 --> 01:15:49.792 - anyway. Okay. I mean, I guess it can just be a very... You're new. Introduce yourselves, please. Tell 01:15:49.792 --> 01:15:52.318 - us a bit about yourself. Yeah. 01:15:55.362 --> 01:16:07.008 - how you work. Yeah, and I think this is one of being able to go over and understanding more about their 01:16:07.008 --> 01:16:18.767 - community partnerships. It's been around since 1981 and no one in this room is familiar with their work. 01:16:18.767 --> 01:16:24.254 - I think DSI, the company has been in the country 01:16:24.642 --> 01:16:34.417 - as, as, but they, they used to, so they bought out light designs or they merged for black designs and 01:16:34.417 --> 01:16:44.000 - line designs. You know, they work with, with, uh, disabilities and in reverse though. So I, I don't 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.150 - think they. 01:16:45.314 --> 01:16:50.878 - I don't think ESI definitely hasn't applied in the last three years. Yeah, I don't think it's about 01:16:50.878 --> 01:16:56.498 - not being familiar with them at all. It's just more like we haven't talked to them, but we've talked 01:16:56.498 --> 01:17:02.118 - to most other people who have applied in the past three years. Tell us more about ESI. No, but don't 01:17:02.118 --> 01:17:05.790 - you think we should only ask, like, we have the strategy we have. 01:17:05.954 --> 01:17:12.506 - Yes, but I do not think that there's anything unclear about what they're asking for. They're asking 01:17:12.506 --> 01:17:19.451 - for $2,800 by cookware and they've explained their cookware project. Like knowing who they are to justify 01:17:19.451 --> 01:17:26.135 - giving them money for a cookware project, I feel like is not a good enough reason to bring them here. 01:17:26.135 --> 01:17:30.590 - And so I'm thinking our question should be focused on understanding 01:17:30.946 --> 01:17:36.417 - And also our questions should be focused on our evaluative criteria and who they are has nothing to 01:17:36.417 --> 01:17:41.888 - do with how we're choosing to evaluate them. That's fair. Do we have a more concrete record that we 01:17:41.888 --> 01:17:47.577 - can do like people who have applied before? Because I feel like that's like, I don't know, I agree with 01:17:47.577 --> 01:17:53.103 - you, but it's like if we're talking about who has and hasn't applied, but how do we know? And I know 01:17:53.103 --> 01:17:58.574 - a record doesn't exist because we've been given that information, we're given that information like 01:17:58.574 --> 01:18:00.926 - first year. Right. So, well, I don't know. 01:18:02.018 --> 01:18:10.051 - that it necessarily matters as if they five years ago, none of us were on the committee five years ago. 01:18:10.051 --> 01:18:17.774 - So they're new. But like, do we need, I guess my position would be at the end of the day, we have a 01:18:17.774 --> 01:18:25.575 - rubric that we've worked on for two years. Yes. We should be asking people to come and talk to us if 01:18:25.575 --> 01:18:30.750 - the data that they've given us is not easy to put into our rubric. 01:18:30.978 --> 01:18:37.093 - I mean, we're giving them the best chance possible to get sport in it, right? And so- You just motion, 01:18:37.093 --> 01:18:43.150 - that's all you're supposed to do. You just motion. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm just thinking, 01:18:43.150 --> 01:18:49.265 - as we're thinking through this, if we say, okay, because we decided that we have some criteria, we can 01:18:49.265 --> 01:18:55.321 - also change our rules. But it's like, if our criteria is, okay, we're greatly blundered for the first 01:18:55.321 --> 01:18:59.774 - time, I guess my question to us is like, how does that bear on our rubric? 01:19:00.546 --> 01:19:08.116 - And, and, and so then if we're defaulting back to, well, it's just good for them to have an opportunity 01:19:08.116 --> 01:19:15.395 - to talk. Well, then we should default to interview everybody, right? Like, so, so just, um, yeah, I 01:19:15.395 --> 01:19:22.674 - don't know. With that in mind, we should tell you what we talked about the rubric. Yeah. So we just 01:19:22.674 --> 01:19:29.662 - had three areas that we wanted to kind of tweak, or at least to get on the same page about, um, 01:19:30.146 --> 01:19:36.439 - So the lasting contribution, well, you don't have it in front of you, but one of them was lasting 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:42.859 - contribution, where we could rate them, yes, directly, yes, indirectly, minimal, or none. And so we 01:19:42.859 --> 01:19:49.280 - all had a bit of difficulty with defining what that meant in terms of lasting contribution, because 01:19:49.280 --> 01:19:55.766 - we're all going to process that and interpret it differently. So we just kind of talked through what 01:19:55.766 --> 01:19:58.334 - that means for us, so we're all kind of 01:19:58.690 --> 01:20:06.781 - closer to being on the same page and how to think about it. So we talk about it in terms of measurability. 01:20:06.781 --> 01:20:14.570 - And also, Andy had a good approach to it, too, that he kind of, you know, thinks about saving that for 01:20:14.570 --> 01:20:22.510 - last to compare it with other ones that are similarly graded. If they both have, they both grade exactly 01:20:22.510 --> 01:20:28.030 - the same, you can kind of use that as a tiebreaker, which one has longer 01:20:28.226 --> 01:20:36.580 - impact or lasting contribution of those two that will get the higher points there. So that's how we 01:20:36.580 --> 01:20:44.935 - were approaching lasting contribution. Number of full-time staff, right now it's zero through 10 is 01:20:44.935 --> 01:20:53.623 - green and 10 through 25 plus is yellow. We're adding a red category there for, it's gonna go 10 through 01:20:53.623 --> 01:20:56.798 - 50 is yellow and then 50 plus is red. 01:20:57.826 --> 01:21:06.206 - Oh, no, actually, we're adding another partner. Yeah, we're going to do two points to people who have 01:21:06.206 --> 01:21:14.422 - less than 10 employees, and then one point to the next category, half a point. To the 50 to 99. And 01:21:14.422 --> 01:21:22.802 - then if there's over 100, it gets zero points. We're striking the community partnership question, but 01:21:22.802 --> 01:21:26.910 - we're moving that into consideration under focus. 01:21:27.298 --> 01:21:34.017 - So if we can determine that there's a community partnership, they can get a bonus point for it. Innovation, 01:21:34.017 --> 01:21:40.488 - you know, how brand new or innovative we feel something is, however we want to interpret that. So those 01:21:40.488 --> 01:21:46.834 - are kind of the guidelines for bonuses rather than just kind of vibing. Like, I really like them. I'm 01:21:46.834 --> 01:21:53.305 - going to throw off vibes here. So that's it. Those were the only notes that I had that I wanted to make 01:21:53.305 --> 01:21:55.358 - sure you could also build in on. 01:21:55.490 --> 01:22:05.647 - for helping us as we're evaluating based on the rubric for these applications. Sorry. Okay, so back 01:22:05.647 --> 01:22:16.311 - to Developmental Services Inc. This has not been charging the whole time. Are you kidding me? How silly. 01:22:16.311 --> 01:22:24.030 - I'm okay for now. The real question that I have for them is they report 120 01:22:25.570 --> 01:22:35.914 - Residents served and a hundred clients. I'm looking at this. This is a, and must be difficult, especially 01:22:35.914 --> 01:22:45.965 - to look at here, but. Aria had brought up earlier that people had had issues with that. There are lots 01:22:45.965 --> 01:22:54.942 - of posts made for the state there. What's the possible mistake here? It's pathways service. 01:22:56.194 --> 01:23:06.181 - 480 residents, but a total service of 405. So what's the interpretation issue? What's the possible 01:23:06.181 --> 01:23:16.774 - explanation? I don't know. Do you have a question phrased? It's literally, thank you. In the human past, 01:23:16.774 --> 01:23:24.542 - it's also been what the entity serves, but then what the project has served. 01:23:24.866 --> 01:23:32.237 - Right. So that's one example. And then another one here would be, uh, children. Right. Right. So, 01:23:32.237 --> 01:23:40.135 - I mean, this could just be, if we want to invite them in, we could ask them to come in and clarify that, 01:23:40.135 --> 01:23:47.806 - or we can take care of it a little bit now. Like, can you please clarify because this doesn't add up? 01:23:47.806 --> 01:23:53.598 - It could also be like, if it, since it says number of Bloomington residents, 01:23:53.730 --> 01:24:03.092 - outside of them. That's what I was wondering. Oh, oh, but this like, I'm not sure. Also, is someone 01:24:03.092 --> 01:24:13.109 - taking notes on the questions? Yeah, I am. As we're going to move on to this, the habitat humanity process 01:24:13.109 --> 01:24:20.318 - that they serve matter to residents that their total service on will convert 01:24:22.818 --> 01:24:31.460 - Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of discrepancy here. I think this is a good email question. Yeah. What I'm 01:24:31.460 --> 01:24:39.850 - learning about is that first things across the board, this question, this number we're specifically 01:24:39.850 --> 01:24:49.080 - using to assess the ratio that we're scoring or weighting very heavily in our scoring. So it's interactually. 01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:50.590 - Exactly. Exactly. 01:24:52.130 --> 01:24:58.557 - So I don't know, I mean, that could really be easy. It's like as easy as an email off at all. 01:24:58.557 --> 01:25:05.531 - I was gonna say, we're gonna have to just email there. We still need to be clear about these numbers. 01:25:05.531 --> 01:25:12.574 - But I think we need. Okay, I think that's fair. We'll just have to figure out how to phrase it so that 01:25:12.574 --> 01:25:19.480 - they understand exactly what we're asking to. There was also the e-verify issue. Oh yeah. That would 01:25:19.480 --> 01:25:22.078 - probably be to everybody as well, so. 01:25:22.402 --> 01:25:29.934 - But that happens by way of giving them the money anyways, right? Yeah, that's why I wanted to ask all 01:25:29.934 --> 01:25:37.392 - of you guys today. Just the platform for the website that we confirm it has been not the best. Yeah, 01:25:37.392 --> 01:25:44.924 - so we don't have a way to confirm if they are or they aren't. So just a simple notification that they 01:25:44.924 --> 01:25:52.382 - would have to be by the time they receive the grant might be helpful. I mean, I think for the email, 01:25:53.026 --> 01:25:59.904 - about the numbers, we can just please clarify the total number of Bloomington residents served and the 01:25:59.904 --> 01:26:06.715 - total number of people served by this project. And then in parentheses, please note your total number 01:26:06.715 --> 01:26:13.592 - of people served should be higher than, higher or equal to. That's it. Yeah. No, we were confused when 01:26:13.592 --> 01:26:20.403 - we were going through some of those ones. Yeah. I do remember seeing that on a couple of applications 01:26:20.403 --> 01:26:22.206 - previously in other years. 01:26:22.402 --> 01:26:33.830 - I'm going, how did I do that? So yeah. So then, do we think we don't need to invite developmental services 01:26:33.830 --> 01:26:44.618 - to come in? That feels completely something. I think that it's not necessarily going to work. OK. If 01:26:44.618 --> 01:26:52.094 - we want to ask them a question, I had also had a question about this. 01:26:52.482 --> 01:26:59.240 - Well, I mean, like if we're so when we're clarifying the numbers, then it becomes really important. 01:26:59.240 --> 01:27:05.999 - Like are we saying year long cooking and nutrition program for a hundred unique participants or are 01:27:05.999 --> 01:27:13.027 - they're going to be repeated attendees across 24 sessions? I think that's a fair question to bring them 01:27:13.027 --> 01:27:17.758 - in. Right. Cause you could have, you could have five, you could have, 01:27:17.986 --> 01:27:25.358 - five people doing 24 sessions and then they record it as 100 people or something like, right? So like- 01:27:25.358 --> 01:27:33.016 - 100 lessons. Exactly. So is it 24? Is it, you know, like, the math is weird for me. They have 24 sessions, 01:27:33.016 --> 01:27:40.459 - 100 people serve, 120 residents affected. So all of their numbers. So I think that would be, that would 01:27:40.459 --> 01:27:46.686 - be a very good question to ask them. How many unique individuals will be participating 01:27:48.546 --> 01:27:56.602 - and benefiting as opposed to what? So I think very specifically, the question I would ask is one of 01:27:56.602 --> 01:28:05.383 - the year long cooking and nutrition program is meant for a hundred unique participants or repeated attendees 01:28:05.383 --> 01:28:13.519 - across 24 sessions. Okay, great. That's in the notes. Thank you. So we will invite them to interview 01:28:13.519 --> 01:28:17.950 - them. Does anybody have other questions that we should 01:28:18.370 --> 01:28:38.190 - But down now for developmental services. Okay. All right. Okay. Goodyear Hills food bank. Supplemental 01:28:38.190 --> 01:28:45.502 - healthy food purchasing the purchase. 01:28:45.954 --> 01:28:54.281 - food for distribution to city residents through partner agencies that serve them, and through our Bloomington 01:28:54.281 --> 01:29:02.153 - neighborhood mobile pantoos. For $40,000, they will accept partial funding. Bloomington residents serve 01:29:02.153 --> 01:29:09.950 - $15,000, total served $15,000 within Bloomington city limits. This is not a collaborative application. 01:29:16.866 --> 01:29:22.376 - which they don't qualify to be invited in. Yeah. I mean, the only thing is that in that, and this isn't 01:29:22.376 --> 01:29:27.780 - anything other than an observation, but they basically need this thing asked every year and it's just 01:29:27.780 --> 01:29:33.078 - like straight food, which I support, but it's also just like something worth it. It falls into like 01:29:33.078 --> 01:29:38.481 - our concern area because we specifically say we don't want reliance on this funding. Like in terms of 01:29:38.481 --> 01:29:43.885 - like different projects here, there's the only thing I would point out, but it is not because they do 01:29:43.885 --> 01:29:44.574 - not support. 01:29:44.962 --> 01:29:56.282 - That's important. Have you all ever fully funded them? Uh, I don't remember. We got close, 01:29:56.282 --> 01:30:09.095 - whatever we got, we got close last year. Yeah, I don't, we've never denied them. But I don't know that 01:30:09.095 --> 01:30:14.942 - we fully, fully funded. It's like $36,000. No. 01:30:15.138 --> 01:30:24.812 - And as we were trying to allocate for some other organizations. Right. Yeah. Trying to spread it around. 01:30:24.812 --> 01:30:34.118 - So the number here matters again, quite a bit. It's a ginormous number. And that's going to, I mean, 01:30:34.118 --> 01:30:43.332 - just based off of our rubric, we'll just, just by virtue of that number, that would be very high on 01:30:43.332 --> 01:30:44.990 - our list. And so, 01:30:48.930 --> 01:31:04.821 - I mean, 43,000 people? That's a lot, right? 43,000? 15,000. Isn't there 43 on there? They're requesting 01:31:04.821 --> 01:31:18.878 - 40,000 and they're serving 150,000. That's a lot. A lot of people. There's a lot of people. 01:31:19.170 --> 01:31:26.476 - know that the insecurity is a big issue. And they're like the main player. Yeah, they do have 01:31:26.476 --> 01:31:34.405 - the partnerships. They do play well with others. Is there a reason that you're asking? Oh, I'm sorry, 01:31:34.405 --> 01:31:42.411 - Catherine, you cut out. Can you say that again? I said I wonder why they're, are they asking the other 01:31:42.411 --> 01:31:48.862 - thing? And that's interesting. No, but Isak was looking at contagious in mind, so. 01:31:49.378 --> 01:32:02.320 - Oh, okay. Forgive me. I'm going to throw them on the table and get you guys charging. Now it is. Okay. 01:32:02.320 --> 01:32:13.502 - That's just a dead outlet, I guess. So for Hooters Hills, what I wrote down was, um, um, 01:32:14.114 --> 01:32:21.471 - and they define what share of the 15,000 Bloomington residents are reached directly through this branch, 01:32:21.471 --> 01:32:28.548 - rather than through their larger annual food distribution baseline. Okay. And then like, and I mean, 01:32:28.548 --> 01:32:35.835 - they're more pressing question to me, and sorry, I was confused before looking at pantridges like that, 01:32:35.835 --> 01:32:43.262 - but the more pressing question to me, and it's similar, they're asking for quite a bit of money, is like, 01:32:44.354 --> 01:32:52.726 - like the marginal, I had to say this correctly. So they're just going to do this regardless, right? 01:32:52.726 --> 01:33:01.098 - And so the question is like, marginally speaking, are we buying something, like what's the marginal 01:33:01.098 --> 01:33:09.469 - benefit of 40,000 so that we're comparing, like are we, so we're comparing the effectiveness of the 01:33:09.469 --> 01:33:11.646 - money that we're spending 01:33:11.746 --> 01:33:18.589 - Instead of comparing the effectiveness of an organization, if that makes sense, because because here, 01:33:18.589 --> 01:33:23.486 - if you know it's sort of like if we don't fund you, are you saying that. 01:33:24.034 --> 01:33:30.776 - 15,000 people will go hungry, is that what you're saying? That's a different claim than we feed 15,000 01:33:30.776 --> 01:33:37.715 - people and we'd like an additional $40,000 to continue to feed, that would be both very important claims, 01:33:37.715 --> 01:33:44.392 - right? But they're substantially different claims, right? And so, which then gets at this question of 01:33:44.392 --> 01:33:51.330 - like, is the 40,000 that Jack Hopkins is spending and that we have spent over the last X amount of years, 01:33:51.330 --> 01:33:54.014 - is it being leveraged to the full extent 01:33:54.178 --> 01:33:59.912 - that it can be because this fund exists to sort of help people do something they couldn't do otherwise, 01:33:59.912 --> 01:34:05.480 - right? So, I mean, if we want it to be particularly difficult, I don't know, that's the wrong way of 01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:11.103 - saying it. Like if we're being, you know, strict about what we do, that's the question I would really 01:34:11.103 --> 01:34:16.726 - ask. Well, do you want to put that in writing and send it to me and I will put it in the comment box. 01:34:16.726 --> 01:34:22.294 - If you want to make like a shared, I can just type in like, where are you keeping it? Yeah, I'm just 01:34:22.294 --> 01:34:23.838 - writing you access to this. 01:34:24.002 --> 01:34:31.794 - and you can type in. I just feel like we already, like I do agree with you, but I think that both can 01:34:31.794 --> 01:34:39.738 - be true because based on the conversation about food security that you all posted as well, we know that 01:34:39.738 --> 01:34:47.682 - there's a shortfall in resources. So no matter what, it's like not having 40,000 dollars does mean food 01:34:47.682 --> 01:34:53.182 - won't be distributed. And then they also reference in their application 01:34:54.210 --> 01:35:02.066 - that this could be considered a bridge to cover the loss of federal food support. And since that support 01:35:02.066 --> 01:35:09.698 - is going to continue to diminish. So I feel clear about. Yeah, that's true. All right. You can put it 01:35:09.698 --> 01:35:17.554 - right in the comment box. Well, I mean, I think that your point, though, is that it may not be necessary 01:35:17.554 --> 01:35:23.614 - to ask. What are other things? I'm just trying to navigate a lot of information. 01:35:24.354 --> 01:35:35.968 - I think we serve definite numbers here. But out of this 15,000, maybe they're not getting a better food 01:35:35.968 --> 01:35:47.136 - allocation about that $40,000 funding. There's a difference between hungry and insecure. And if the 01:35:47.136 --> 01:35:53.278 - money could be keeping people from actually being able 01:35:53.666 --> 01:36:01.045 - I don't feel the need to bring one in. I think it's pretty straightforward. If we choose not to fund 01:36:01.045 --> 01:36:08.789 - the full amount, that's up to us. I was just saying, I was just going to bring that up. I was just asking 01:36:08.789 --> 01:36:16.313 - that for you. Well, an email question. I mean, my curiosity is, so they're purchasing food for partner 01:36:16.313 --> 01:36:19.966 - agencies. And then they're also, some seems to be 01:36:20.834 --> 01:36:30.701 - through Bloomington neighborhood and mobile pantries. I'm curious about that. I mean, is this funding 01:36:30.701 --> 01:36:40.471 - going to be particularly supporting those mobile pantries today? I don't know anything about it. But 01:36:40.471 --> 01:36:49.758 - I'm just curious, is that what it's allocating for? I'm just curious. I don't have any too need 01:36:49.922 --> 01:37:01.486 - bring them in or even form a question. But if I had a question, they would be in. Do we need to take 01:37:01.486 --> 01:37:13.280 - a vote if we want to email them? I mean, there's been a number of questions. If there's people on this 01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:19.806 - committee who wants to ask their questions, that's fine. 01:37:20.290 --> 01:37:27.835 - I'd rather err on the side of information. So go ahead and put in that question that you had, please, 01:37:27.835 --> 01:37:35.306 - because you phrased it better than I can in the notes. Did you share it with me? Yes, we should have 01:37:35.306 --> 01:37:42.777 - it. Do you need me to send you the link? Just tell me where you should be. Well, I gave you editing. 01:37:42.777 --> 01:37:50.174 - I had shared it with you in the email yesterday, and then I gave you editing capabilities just now. 01:37:50.722 --> 01:37:58.426 - Here, here. Do you want me to resend you the link? No, I am ready. That's fine. OK. OK. Thank you. You're 01:37:58.426 --> 01:38:05.694 - welcome. All right. An application summary on that one, please. Under comments. Got it. All the way 01:38:05.694 --> 01:38:13.181 - on it. Yeah. I don't know the appropriate time to say this, or to break this up, because we've already 01:38:13.181 --> 01:38:20.158 - talked about river, but I've just calculated all the ratios. They range around 4 to 4.10 cents. 01:38:20.322 --> 01:38:28.401 - for residents served up to $400, $500 for residents served. So at some point we just need to come up 01:38:28.401 --> 01:38:36.560 - with a threshold of like what the color categories for storing them. Yeah. So just wait a little bit. 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:45.279 - That's super. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Should we move on to Bloomington Cooperative 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:50.238 - Living? So they have been before us before. Yeah. I remember. 01:38:50.850 --> 01:38:57.544 - Infrastructure starts with a thousand. Fossil, yes. They start with a thousand. Okay, yeah. 01:38:57.544 --> 01:39:04.966 - So they serve, they're only in Bloomington as their name implies. So they serve 64 residents. They're 01:39:04.966 --> 01:39:12.315 - looking for $8,500 for digital outreach package. Excuse me, I said that weird. Consisting of website 01:39:12.315 --> 01:39:19.518 - design services, social media, advertisements, and social media advertisement management services. 01:39:19.874 --> 01:39:30.138 - This project is intended to bolster outreach and community awareness of BCL programs. It's 01:39:30.138 --> 01:39:41.530 - not a collaborative project, it is human development. I have reservations about this one. Thank you. 01:39:41.530 --> 01:39:48.862 - I don't think this is the right thing to do. A good way to spend 01:39:49.602 --> 01:39:59.733 - these funds, unless someone feels very strongly about it. This is the only one I marked in red as one 01:39:59.733 --> 01:40:09.865 - I didn't feel like fit. That's what I'm feeling. Right here, yeah. It doesn't fit the immediate needs 01:40:09.865 --> 01:40:19.102 - for the communities. I would agree with funding this. If they had a plan to demonstrate that 01:40:19.330 --> 01:40:26.568 - after these services are completed, that somebody will be able to manage it on their team. If people 01:40:26.568 --> 01:40:33.877 - can't get the services through an online portal or digital advertisement, then their organization may 01:40:33.877 --> 01:40:41.115 - cease to exist or not getting the services that they need. If they can explain that this is going to 01:40:41.115 --> 01:40:47.134 - transform the way that people are able to access their services and they can manage 01:40:47.810 --> 01:41:04.467 - these platforms after the package runs out, then I'd be okay with funding it. Can they demonstrate that 01:41:04.467 --> 01:41:15.198 - they need these services in order to continue to provide services? 01:41:15.586 --> 01:41:22.528 - If they can demonstrate that they will improve outreach to their intended audience or their intended, 01:41:22.528 --> 01:41:29.675 - I don't know, target audience, then by having improved digital advertisement and social media platforms, 01:41:29.675 --> 01:41:36.686 - then I'm okay with it. And if they have a plan for transferring the skill set from the person who will 01:41:36.686 --> 01:41:43.492 - or the organization that will provide the package to a member of their team being able to take this 01:41:43.492 --> 01:41:45.534 - on, then I'd be okay with it. 01:41:46.018 --> 01:41:53.284 - like having adequate communications is extremely difficult for these types of organizations from what 01:41:53.284 --> 01:42:00.765 - I've seen from my vantage point. So I think it's a good use of their funds, but that's my opinion. Yeah, 01:42:00.765 --> 01:42:07.889 - I guess that's fair. And then, yeah, asking them to clarify, is this just a one-time spend on this? 01:42:07.889 --> 01:42:13.374 - Is that not going to have a lasting impact if they're doing a one-time spend 01:42:14.146 --> 01:42:20.194 - And there's always this first series that would last them throughout the year. So you advocate for us 01:42:20.194 --> 01:42:26.242 - sending them an email question to explain this a little more deeply. I think they need to come in and 01:42:26.242 --> 01:42:32.231 - explain it. I don't know if they can, I don't, because they weren't able to adequately explain it in 01:42:32.231 --> 01:42:38.160 - the project information, I don't think they'll, an email necessarily do it. I feel like they, this, 01:42:38.160 --> 01:42:42.014 - this, this warrants to me at least. Yeah. Hearing from somebody. 01:42:42.722 --> 01:42:50.103 - They might be able to explain it better verbally. Um, does anybody else have any thoughts on this one? 01:42:50.103 --> 01:42:57.556 - Yeah. I mean, I would, I would, you know, only hear them out and then we could really decide if we want 01:42:57.556 --> 01:43:04.937 - them. Yeah. That's fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with inviting them and we'll have to make a separate 01:43:04.937 --> 01:43:10.526 - motion to invite them in because they don't. I mean, if you wanted to, right. 01:43:11.010 --> 01:43:22.764 - If you want to give them the best chance also to make their case, then I think in addition to what Captain 01:43:22.764 --> 01:43:33.749 - just said, I don't get the theory of change. How does a website translate into housing, or for that 01:43:33.749 --> 01:43:37.374 - matter, any stabilized outcomes? 01:43:40.066 --> 01:43:45.835 - understand Katherine's point is that how are people going to know about their services being an option 01:43:45.835 --> 01:43:51.436 - for them? That's fair. So, but like, I think beyond the question of like, are they going to be able 01:43:51.436 --> 01:43:57.037 - to sustain this? Like, do you feel like they've made a strong net theory change argument? That it's 01:43:57.037 --> 01:44:02.638 - like, are we breathing into that theory or like, you feel like they know that? Well, I guess that's 01:44:02.638 --> 01:44:04.094 - what we're asking them to 01:44:05.314 --> 01:44:13.005 - But I don't know what Katherine suggested. It's so funny. I know. The door lock is very funny at this 01:44:13.005 --> 01:44:20.697 - moment. You can't hear it, but there's a very loud vacuum. They came in. I thought that your question 01:44:20.697 --> 01:44:28.237 - was about sustainability, like that being the key. Sustainability. But it's also, I think it's also 01:44:28.237 --> 01:44:34.270 - your question, your point also is a good one, because if they can't articulate, 01:44:34.818 --> 01:44:41.717 - For example, maybe their platforms, they've done a survey. Exactly. Website is really hard to navigate, 01:44:41.717 --> 01:44:48.550 - and I really want to utilize your services, but I have no idea how to use them. And so maybe they have 01:44:48.550 --> 01:44:55.250 - all this information of like, if we better advertise, if we better present our information, actually 01:44:55.250 --> 01:45:01.022 - access it, and then we can actually serve the people that we're looking to serve. Yes. 01:45:04.130 --> 01:45:15.681 - I move that we add to our criteria of invitation people for whom we have substantive questions that 01:45:15.681 --> 01:45:27.348 - hinder our ability to properly rubric and assess them fairly. Second. All right, I have a motion and 01:45:27.348 --> 01:45:33.470 - a second. Dave? Yes. Esau? Yes. Cameron? Yes. Eddie? 01:45:33.602 --> 01:45:45.274 - Me, yes. Catherine? Sorry, can you say that again? Yes. Yes, thank you. And Andy? Yes. All right, 01:45:45.274 --> 01:45:57.184 - that passes. So I believe that qualifies Bloomington Cooperative Living for an invite to interview. 01:45:57.184 --> 01:46:02.782 - So I'd like to ask a question on why are there 01:46:04.226 --> 01:46:13.721 - vacancies, if they're having problems housing the appropriate people. And this is why they need to reach 01:46:13.721 --> 01:46:22.855 - out to, cast a wide net to get more residents. Or, you know, that's my primary question is this, are 01:46:22.855 --> 01:46:28.190 - you guys leading tenants? Do you have vacancies? Oh, yeah. 01:46:33.954 --> 01:46:41.090 - billing spots. These notes that I'm putting in the comments are just really just that notes. They're 01:46:41.090 --> 01:46:48.367 - not eloquent, but they get me going across, at least in my brain. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. All right. 01:46:48.367 --> 01:46:55.644 - So we will invite them in and hear more from them firsthand. Stone Belt Arc Inc. They're Java Palooza. 01:46:55.644 --> 01:46:58.046 - They bring this to us every year. 01:46:58.434 --> 01:47:05.151 - Java Palooza allows individuals with disabilities to connect with local employers and try new job tasks 01:47:05.151 --> 01:47:11.868 - to determine areas of interest and competency. This project also allows local employers to connect with 01:47:11.868 --> 01:47:18.907 - new possible employees with disabilities in our community, which fosters greater diversity in the workforce. 01:47:18.907 --> 01:47:25.366 - They're only asking for $5,000. They don't qualify at least off the surface right now for an invite 01:47:25.366 --> 01:47:26.270 - to interview. 01:47:27.074 --> 01:47:34.854 - see us having any questions other than, of course, the numbers, but that's going to go out to everybody. 01:47:34.854 --> 01:47:42.338 - I mean, like I said, they come before us every year. Anybody have any questions that they want us to 01:47:42.338 --> 01:47:49.822 - ask? No. They're pretty straightforward. Habitat for Humanity of Monroe County. They are looking for 01:47:49.822 --> 01:47:51.230 - a tool investment. 01:47:52.194 --> 01:47:59.694 - They are seeking $14,137 in funding to replace their Makita tools, purchase a trailer, and two ladder 01:47:59.694 --> 01:48:07.121 - racks. Regular replacement and the purchase of a trailer and ladder racks will keep their volunteers 01:48:07.121 --> 01:48:14.621 - and staff safe while building and supplying quality, affordable homes. So they enroll 910 Bloomington 01:48:14.621 --> 01:48:20.798 - residents, but they must serve a total of 100. I think that 100 is probably houses. 01:48:20.962 --> 01:48:28.071 - Again, so I think we should probably have the question as broad of a way possible. You know, we messed 01:48:28.071 --> 01:48:34.974 - up, our farm is wrong. So will you just clarify because it will affect our root grant, right? Yeah, 01:48:34.974 --> 01:48:42.083 - yeah. And then we should proliferate through what it is that we want them to tell us, you know, number 01:48:42.083 --> 01:48:49.193 - of residents served, number of clients overall, something like that. Yeah, people. We're happy people, 01:48:49.193 --> 01:48:50.366 - not units, okay? 01:48:51.042 --> 01:49:00.444 - I'm just tall, sorry. I don't understand. Um, do we have any questions then? I mean, they don't qualify 01:49:00.444 --> 01:49:09.756 - unless we have substantial questions. They don't qualify for an invitation to interview. No questions. 01:49:09.756 --> 01:49:10.750 - All right. 01:49:14.114 --> 01:49:20.239 - Girls Inc. of Monroe County. They also apply every year. Their project title is Inspiring Strong, Smart, 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:26.248 - and Bold Leaders. Girls Inc. of Monroe County delivers intentional, evidence-based programs that build 01:49:26.248 --> 01:49:32.082 - confidence, strengthen—this doesn't really tell us about the project, but they're looking for the 01:49:32.082 --> 01:49:35.582 - money—build confidence, strengthen social, emotional, and 01:49:36.482 --> 01:49:43.515 - physical well-being, and provide academic enrichment for school-aged girls in the Bloomington community. 01:49:43.515 --> 01:49:50.214 - Our programs equip girls with the skills, knowledge, and support to grow into confident leaders and 01:49:50.214 --> 01:49:56.979 - engage community members. They're asking for $34,870. That's a very specific number, but they're not 01:49:56.979 --> 01:50:03.677 - telling us what specifically that is for. I know typically it's for like, sometimes it's for... Oh, 01:50:03.677 --> 01:50:04.414 - thank you. 01:50:04.994 --> 01:50:13.812 - Also, when it'd be helpful for us, I'll share the spreadsheets. You don't have to read each description. 01:50:13.812 --> 01:50:22.545 - Oh, it's, you guys don't like that. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's why you could do a split screen. Yeah. Okay. 01:50:22.545 --> 01:50:30.691 - It just, if, as long as we can all read it, is that something that we can jump back and look at? 01:50:30.691 --> 01:50:34.974 - If not, I can, I can toggle it. Yes. Okay. So, uh, 01:50:36.578 --> 01:50:47.659 - Yes, so this project description is where they put it up here, so that forms a brief overview, but I've 01:50:47.659 --> 01:50:58.526 - been putting these up here. Oh, thank you. Not that I didn't enjoy your reading. No, I appreciate it. 01:51:15.906 --> 01:51:24.447 - Do they? They break it down in their budget. 26,870 staff and personnel and 8,000 in summertime scholarships. 01:51:24.447 --> 01:51:32.445 - Staff and personnel is the majority of this funding? That's correct. What we could ask them, you know, 01:51:32.445 --> 01:51:40.287 - getting at the point that you're getting at is like, what is the impact of funding staff on the cost 01:51:40.287 --> 01:51:41.918 - of the event, right? 01:51:42.178 --> 01:51:48.918 - So like in many ways, like a staff fund is defraying costs for the camp. So it's somewhat equal to a 01:51:48.918 --> 01:51:55.791 - scholarship. And so it would be useful for, as they clarify a follow-on question for them specifically 01:51:55.791 --> 01:52:02.464 - about numbers is, you know, how many, like for them to explain how many people they think are being 01:52:02.464 --> 01:52:08.670 - affected by this when they actually don't have a discrepancy in their numbers, I guess, but, 01:52:08.994 --> 01:52:15.779 - you know, like the numbers affected by scholarships versus the number affected by staff and in what 01:52:15.779 --> 01:52:22.701 - ways, could be a question to ask, but I think they're fairly, you know, I think it's fairly clear. So 01:52:22.701 --> 01:52:29.622 - are you saying, you think we should just email those questions, we want them invited in, how are you? 01:52:29.622 --> 01:52:36.543 - I would notice, ask the question about what portion of, that we know what portion of scholarships and 01:52:36.543 --> 01:52:38.782 - what portion is program content, 01:52:38.882 --> 01:52:45.544 - The question is like, what is the distinct outcome tied to each of those portions? Okay. Do you want 01:52:45.544 --> 01:52:52.207 - to put that in the questions in the comment box there? Do you know that to them? Unless you think we 01:52:52.207 --> 01:52:58.869 - should invite them in to have a deeper conversation. Okay. But I actually don't think that, now that 01:52:58.869 --> 01:53:05.598 - I said that out loud, I don't think that really affects our rubric per se. So whatever it's worth. So 01:53:05.598 --> 01:53:08.830 - maybe I would, I would draw that question. Okay. 01:53:10.082 --> 01:53:15.929 - Anybody else have any questions? Well, I think you should put your question back. And I also, I do want 01:53:15.929 --> 01:53:21.719 - to hear more about the long-term impact of the programs. Because if they keep asking for money and you 01:53:21.719 --> 01:53:27.734 - all don't know or not sure what the impact of where the programs are, I mean, I've been to their programs. 01:53:27.734 --> 01:53:33.693 - They're fantastic. I just don't know. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I think it'd be OK to ask them to share the impact. 01:53:33.693 --> 01:53:38.078 - Yeah. Because I'm seeing a lot of- Yeah, I think that does affect the rubric. 01:53:40.546 --> 01:53:55.516 - But not a lot of impact that is is listed here. Yeah, thank you. Alright, so you're doing that. Move 01:53:55.516 --> 01:54:05.150 - on to community kitchen of Monroe County for equipment purchase. 01:54:27.618 --> 01:54:36.060 - SAS seems pretty straightforward. I personally would not have any questions for them. I don't have any 01:54:36.060 --> 01:54:44.502 - questions either. And they don't fit any of the other criteria for an interview. All right. We're good 01:54:44.502 --> 01:54:49.502 - with just moving on with community kitchens. Tandem is next. 01:54:53.218 --> 01:55:03.682 - I do have a question for community kitchen. Sorry. I'm so sorry. It's my fault. They selected capital, 01:55:03.682 --> 01:55:14.145 - but also said the project is not involved with capital improvement. So just a minor inconsistency that 01:55:14.145 --> 01:55:19.326 - could be clarified in an email, but like, so like, 01:55:20.098 --> 01:55:29.872 - I assume that we're thinking of capital improvement means like change of the building rather than buy 01:55:29.872 --> 01:55:39.454 - a thing. But in this case, it's a wheelchair. Yeah, it's first aid. Yeah, it's first aid equipment. 01:55:40.130 --> 01:55:51.386 - Yeah. I think in the application there's capital and capital as like a separate set of answers. So capital 01:55:51.386 --> 01:56:02.221 - would be different. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you for the presentation. All right. So I feel clear. Does 01:56:02.221 --> 01:56:08.638 - anybody have other clarifications? And are we? I don't know. 01:56:08.866 --> 01:56:18.942 - It's a minor, but I'll ask you when we're about to do it. Okay. Are you sure? Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Tandem. 01:56:42.370 --> 01:56:50.054 - I mean, as a former diaper buyer, I think those $50,000 is probably going to be spent on diapers alone. 01:56:50.054 --> 01:56:57.443 - Uh-huh. But I think we can start with this, and I don't think this is something to worry about now, 01:56:57.443 --> 01:57:04.831 - but more when we're doing the evaluations later, is that we're not supposed to be spending money on 01:57:04.831 --> 01:57:11.998 - recurring for paying staff. They're not supposed to rely on us for it. They're paying for staff. 01:57:13.890 --> 01:57:20.998 - creating positions or getting position on the ground with the understanding that the agency who was 01:57:20.998 --> 01:57:28.105 - requesting that would be able to continue paying them once they get that person in place. So I only 01:57:28.105 --> 01:57:35.710 - just worry about the, you know, paying staff or any utilities since they do our business, are they relying 01:57:35.710 --> 01:57:43.742 - on this? I mean, so the insider information here, which, you know, decide whether it biases me or not, but yeah. 01:57:44.290 --> 01:57:53.431 - They're under like so much financial pressure. I think that the question that we might want to ask them 01:57:53.431 --> 01:58:02.396 - is about sustainability. And then the broader question of really, and back to I think a question that 01:58:02.396 --> 01:58:11.625 - I've tried in multiple cases where it's like, what are we actually buying? And so like, is it that we're 01:58:11.625 --> 01:58:14.174 - giving them a longer runway? 01:58:14.434 --> 01:58:20.593 - Is it that we're allowing them to divert other things and other grants that they have directly into 01:58:20.593 --> 01:58:23.550 - customer services like and what is it that that 01:58:23.810 --> 01:58:29.241 - that pay for staff bias. So I think to go beyond the question that you said, I don't think we need to 01:58:29.241 --> 01:58:34.725 - just have a black and white gate, but it's like either you're establishing a position or we don't fund 01:58:34.725 --> 01:58:40.050 - it. It's really saying like, what happens when this position gets funded? And what's the antithesis 01:58:40.050 --> 01:58:45.534 - to us not funding this is maybe the easier way for us to understand it, but it's like, well, we close, 01:58:45.534 --> 01:58:50.912 - right? And so I think in this case that elevates it in a different way, it makes it an emergency, it 01:58:50.912 --> 01:58:52.030 - makes it a whatever. 01:58:52.354 --> 01:58:59.781 - I'm arguing all those things because I have some insight into it. So I think that it's important for 01:58:59.781 --> 01:59:07.134 - us to ask them to see if that's the way they perceive it. Do you think that merits an invitation to 01:59:07.134 --> 01:59:14.782 - come before us? It could. It's on the largest ask. I do think it will be hard for us to properly, based 01:59:14.782 --> 01:59:21.694 - on the answers to the question that I just raised, it would flip where they are on my regret. 01:59:22.306 --> 01:59:29.751 - You know, so I would say something like we need a clear explanation or like sustainability and what 01:59:29.751 --> 01:59:37.271 - this grant concretely buys, something like that. And I would argue that we cannot, that I don't have 01:59:37.271 --> 01:59:44.790 - enough information based on what they said to fully evaluate them on the rubric. I think I would end 01:59:44.790 --> 01:59:49.406 - up minimizing some other points for lack of clarity, just me. 01:59:49.570 --> 01:59:57.332 - So we should invite them to interview because this is substantial questions that we have. Any other 01:59:57.332 --> 02:00:05.404 - thoughts? Agreement, disagreement, motions? What have you? No, I don't think that's valid. I think that 02:00:05.404 --> 02:00:13.166 - we say we want to be able to provide our personal support. I think it's very valid for us to have a 02:00:13.166 --> 02:00:18.366 - conversation with them about what this looks like past six months. 02:00:19.970 --> 02:00:27.020 - Okay. We gave them very modest support last year. Oh, yeah. Six thousand. Wow. Wow. That was a big deal. 02:00:27.020 --> 02:00:34.002 - They were established in a postpartum center. I mean, how much do you know? I don't remember. I thought 02:00:34.002 --> 02:00:40.581 - the request was quite substantial, too. No, no, no. Last year, last year, they because there was, 02:00:40.581 --> 02:00:47.362 - you know, there's a handful of groups that in the last several years have been like, why is this all 02:00:47.362 --> 02:00:48.638 - you're asking for? 02:00:49.154 --> 02:00:54.818 - And they were one last year, it was like, they asked for like, you know, some diapers. Right. You know, 02:00:54.818 --> 02:01:00.591 - and I, and I said, I remember very specifically in the meeting being like, I know that you have financial 02:01:00.591 --> 02:01:05.657 - issues. Like, why are you asking for five, $5,000? And they were like, I don't know. Like it 02:01:05.657 --> 02:01:11.103 - was a substantial aspect of the form. I can't remember what we decided, but it was for South Bay or 02:01:11.103 --> 02:01:15.678 - cheaper than us about it. Probably. I think it's seriously, they were establishing. 02:01:16.322 --> 02:01:22.288 - Yeah, I thought the year before the question was the one about the burden center. That's what they wanted 02:01:22.288 --> 02:01:27.803 - us to fund the year before. Yeah. Then last year it was some, you know, just a silly, like I say, 02:01:27.803 --> 02:01:33.600 - I mean, just like, like, you know, just like, I'll give us some money if you can. And here's the thing 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:39.228 - we can use it for type of application. And so I feel like this year they balanced those two things. 02:01:39.228 --> 02:01:45.194 - Right. So. Well, we're going to need motion if we want them to come in. I think we don't need the motion. 02:01:45.194 --> 02:01:45.982 - That's right. 02:01:46.274 --> 02:01:57.048 - Sorry, it's not as specific. Okay, so we are inviting them to. It's a big ask. It is. Yeah, we should, 02:01:57.048 --> 02:02:08.554 - it would be good to explore them. We have a lot of questions. Okay. Super, thank you. So Bramessa Foundation, 02:02:08.554 --> 02:02:16.190 - Inc. They're getting moving. When are we going to be going to the house? 02:02:23.970 --> 02:02:40.447 - I'm really interested with them about how they're counting their beneficiaries. There's a possibility 02:02:40.447 --> 02:02:53.854 - that what they're counting here is the amount of people that their partners reach. 02:02:56.002 --> 02:03:07.546 - So I did a project with Eddie, and then I was asked how many people did the project reach? We just trained 02:03:07.546 --> 02:03:18.442 - two people in his office, but I reported 14,000. Because that's how many people he serves, right? So 02:03:18.442 --> 02:03:25.886 - that was a little unclear to me about what their numbers mean. Yeah. 02:03:26.818 --> 02:03:32.952 - You know, we should invite them, I think. Outreach. That to me is a substantial question, because if 02:03:32.952 --> 02:03:39.450 - they themselves are reaching that many people, wonderful. If they're reaching them through their partners, 02:03:39.450 --> 02:03:46.009 - great. But then we have a lot of questions about, OK, explain to us how what you're asking us to accomplish 02:03:46.009 --> 02:03:52.446 - that end. Right. OK, so we need to invite them to a group because A, there's substantial questions and B, 02:03:52.866 --> 02:04:01.160 - I don't think they've come before us before. Yeah, so two reasons to bring them. Yes. Okay, great. Courage 02:04:01.160 --> 02:04:08.990 - to change sober living. I think this is a revender. I think it might be either a tech issue or they, 02:04:08.990 --> 02:04:16.276 - I'm sure, because it's the exact same application. Okay, so we can skip this one. I was like, 02:04:16.276 --> 02:04:21.470 - wait a minute, I heard that before. Oh, here we go, Susie's place. 02:04:21.826 --> 02:04:32.239 - Hendricks County. Is Catherine saying something? Catherine, are you saying something? You're muted. 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:42.860 - All right, that's not me. That's my children. Well, okay. Got it. Looks like they're looking to fund, 02:04:42.860 --> 02:04:50.462 - do I understand, their play place, basically? It's operational expenses. 02:04:50.690 --> 02:05:01.630 - for a salary match. This is what you guys think. The question I have here is, this looks way different 02:05:01.630 --> 02:05:12.357 - from the ask last year. And then last year when we were talking about fundraising, she was like, oh, 02:05:12.357 --> 02:05:18.942 - we've got, because they had a relatively small ask last year. 02:05:19.266 --> 02:05:25.908 - and and she was like we've got most of our fundraising covered and so because it's operational because 02:05:25.908 --> 02:05:32.486 - they're not mentioning some of the things that other places mentioned in terms of word bridge funding 02:05:32.486 --> 02:05:39.193 - or reduction and explorers need which could very well exist i think it would be worth asking about that 02:05:39.193 --> 02:05:46.222 - um or why do you need this operational funding now um yeah because last year we funded like office furniture 02:05:46.222 --> 02:05:48.350 - for that but yeah and she was so 02:05:48.898 --> 02:05:58.975 - confident about it better than last year. That stuck out to me when we were talking. Is this an email 02:05:58.975 --> 02:06:09.052 - or an invite? It's a big ask. This is another one of our very large ones. It's 48, NASA. I think this 02:06:09.052 --> 02:06:17.054 - is so big. I wouldn't mind inviting. Yeah. It seems like a similar kind of apps. 02:06:24.034 --> 02:06:31.862 - Yeah, that's a lot of... Is it because the amount is high or is it because of what they're asking to 02:06:31.862 --> 02:06:39.845 - spend it on? I think it's similar to what Ysak was talking about. Are we providing a longer runway for 02:06:39.845 --> 02:06:48.060 - them or are they going to close their doors because they don't get this funding? To me, it seems a little 02:06:48.060 --> 02:06:53.950 - similar to what Ysak was asking about Pandam. Okay, that makes sense to me. 02:06:54.146 --> 02:07:04.869 - Thank you. All right. So we will invite them as well. Okay. Planned. Whoa. My sheet just scrolled all 02:07:04.869 --> 02:07:15.592 - the way down. Planned. Parenthood. Great Northwest. Hawaii. Alaska. Indiana. Kentucky. That cracks me 02:07:15.592 --> 02:07:22.110 - up every time. They also have the same mask every year. Yeah. 02:07:23.682 --> 02:07:34.823 - I don't have any questions for them. I don't see need to invite them in. Does anybody have any questions 02:07:34.823 --> 02:07:45.965 - for them or want to hear from them? Okay. All right. So cancer support community, South Central Indiana. 02:07:45.965 --> 02:07:52.862 - I believe this is the same as last year more or less in terms of 02:07:53.250 --> 02:07:55.794 - description, I don't remember, amount, but. That can help against them? No, I'm just saying I. That's 02:07:55.794 --> 02:07:58.288 - something that's considered a root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:07:58.288 --> 02:08:00.782 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:00.782 --> 02:08:03.276 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:03.276 --> 02:08:05.769 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:05.769 --> 02:08:08.263 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:08.263 --> 02:08:10.757 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:10.757 --> 02:08:13.251 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:13.251 --> 02:08:15.745 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:15.745 --> 02:08:18.239 - root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:19.486 - root root root root root root root root root root 02:08:24.514 --> 02:08:31.844 - I mean it's not, it's such a minor, I think it would skew my thing better. This is an example of where, 02:08:31.844 --> 02:08:39.104 - I don't know what the service region of something like this is, but I imagine that people come in from 02:08:39.104 --> 02:08:46.364 - Bedford and people come in from, right, which I don't have this, you guys don't know, I don't have the 02:08:46.364 --> 02:08:47.774 - strong of a view of 02:08:48.098 --> 02:08:58.159 - It must be governed by the resident who lives in the place and appearing with the taxes. I think it's 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:08.023 - generally good to do good things. But this one, it raises this question of how we capture that when 02:09:08.023 --> 02:09:13.054 - it's talking about a fluid transient service area. 02:09:13.570 --> 02:09:20.119 - which are very different than the like you're in Ellensville or people for non-groupings that come to 02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:27.181 - you. It's like one question, but like, this is like, you know, what is your service area anyways? Especially, 02:09:27.181 --> 02:09:33.987 - you know, they, other communities don't have the medical facilities. I mean, I mean, you know, the number 02:09:33.987 --> 02:09:40.600 - served and total service, once again, we can't actually do that, but they say they only serve 20 Booms 02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:42.462 - residents to nine and seven. 02:09:43.170 --> 02:09:51.021 - Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, I mean, it says right away in the description, we'll provide 24 cancer patients 02:09:51.021 --> 02:09:58.648 - who are city residents with immediate short-term financial resources. I mean, that sounds like a very 02:09:58.648 --> 02:10:06.126 - clear plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, cancer is expensive, man. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Let's move 02:10:06.126 --> 02:10:10.014 - on. All right. People and animal learning services. 02:10:23.938 --> 02:10:34.962 - say like, you know, this, this really relies on you already believing that, um, or already knowing that 02:10:34.962 --> 02:10:45.774 - you didn't, you decide what your biases, um, that, um, that equite therapy is a great idea. You know, 02:10:45.774 --> 02:10:50.014 - if we're really going to scrutinize it, 02:10:50.114 --> 02:10:55.110 - I would say that I don't think that they make a strong argument for the theory of change. I 02:10:55.110 --> 02:11:00.811 - don't necessarily, I personally don't think they need to, because I think that there's a lot of research 02:11:00.811 --> 02:11:06.349 - on the topic, but just looking at what's in front of us, like, you know, however, we also have talked 02:11:06.349 --> 02:11:11.779 - about the last two years and asked them such questions. So, right, you know, whether we should view 02:11:11.779 --> 02:11:17.264 - ourselves as episodic or as a continuous thing is another interesting theoretical question to ask at 02:11:17.264 --> 02:11:18.078 - 8.30 at night. 02:11:18.882 --> 02:11:29.176 - I mean, it's a pretty low amount of money. I don't know. I'm not asking for any infrastructure. I mean, 02:11:29.176 --> 02:11:39.471 - I'm asking for a specific program. So I personally do not have any questions. The validity of acquiring 02:11:39.471 --> 02:11:48.478 - therapy, that's really not something I'm going to try to comment on. I mean, it's a guess. 02:11:48.642 --> 02:11:59.939 - Interesting question. And I'm curious now, but I don't, I wouldn't bring. So we'll leave them no email, 02:11:59.939 --> 02:12:10.802 - no invite. Yeah. Okay. Um, he said, can you take over? Um, okay. Um, uh, people and what's the next 02:12:10.802 --> 02:12:15.582 - one? People and horses began, began, began. 02:12:21.282 --> 02:12:37.687 - Thank you. So it seems pretty straightforward. Yeah. 22. Oh, sorry. I'm looking at the wrong spreadsheet. 02:12:37.687 --> 02:12:47.902 - Any questions? Okay, moving on. Wonder Lab Museum. Any questions? 02:12:56.770 --> 02:13:14.910 - Moving on, new leaf, new life? This is not the collaborative one. Sorry, I think I had a question. 02:13:30.946 --> 02:13:48.094 - They get coming. What questions would you like to ask them? Number discrepancy. 02:13:57.282 --> 02:14:24.318 - I'm a little bit familiar with this and I don't think there maybe this doesn't matter but 02:14:24.482 --> 02:14:30.930 - I don't think there's any connection necessarily to low-income or marginalized groups or low-income 02:14:30.930 --> 02:14:37.507 - people for this program, for this camp. I think it's for absolutely anybody who's got a parent or any 02:14:37.507 --> 02:14:44.341 - family that's been impacted in the immediate family by cancer of a parent. So, I mean, maybe that doesn't 02:14:44.341 --> 02:14:50.854 - matter, but maybe it- No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Sorry. Sorry. No, I'm just saying it 02:14:50.854 --> 02:14:54.142 - doesn't matter because that's in our requirements. 02:14:54.722 --> 02:15:04.899 - that needs to be low income. So maybe we need to ask a clarifying question about this. I could be wrong, 02:15:04.899 --> 02:15:14.881 - but I know someone very well who's been a counselor there a few times. And that's not my understanding 02:15:14.881 --> 02:15:21.278 - that it's income related. Right. But I could be mistaken. But OK. 02:15:21.378 --> 02:15:29.559 - So what if we ask the question, oh, you're back in charge again. In my handover, I will say, what if 02:15:29.559 --> 02:15:37.739 - we ask the question, would they be willing to limit these funds to low income Bloomington residents? 02:15:37.739 --> 02:15:46.001 - Scholarships, basically, to low income folks. But I think that then we're asking for an adjustment in 02:15:46.001 --> 02:15:48.350 - their rate, what they wrote. 02:15:48.578 --> 02:15:56.726 - We can write friendly amendments, right? Where we can go, yeah, we like that you want this board, but 02:15:56.726 --> 02:16:05.033 - we want you to do your window. We'll do that. It says 98% of parents. Kids have cancer. I mean, we just 02:16:05.033 --> 02:16:12.542 - said the cancer is an expensive treatment, so I guess I'm inferring. Yeah, that's also right. 02:16:13.826 --> 02:16:21.971 - And I would say that when I was going through chemo, if I had kids, I would have loved for them to go 02:16:21.971 --> 02:16:30.117 - to account. It would have been very difficult to have them at home. So let alone the being poor part. 02:16:30.117 --> 02:16:38.262 - Well, maybe our question is just what their application process looks like for their participants, so 02:16:38.262 --> 02:16:42.814 - we can understand that better. Or the question could be, 02:16:43.106 --> 02:16:51.034 - Is there an assumption that everyone who participates in Kesem is financially stressed, seriously stressed 02:16:51.034 --> 02:16:58.369 - just due to the fact that they're suffering from a cancer impact? Yeah. Okay. I've added it. Boom. 02:16:58.369 --> 02:17:06.148 - Thank you. So are we inviting them in then because they're new too? They're new. They get invited. Yeah. 02:17:06.148 --> 02:17:12.446 - Super. Thank you. You're in charge again. Okay. Silver linings rescue. So we will... 02:17:12.930 --> 02:17:25.912 - Pause so Cameron can step out. Is this where she's conflicted? Yes. Hey, bring in conflicts. Come on. 02:17:25.912 --> 02:17:39.149 - I thought we dealt with those. So they are a new organization, new application for us. Yeah. If we have 02:17:39.149 --> 02:17:41.694 - questions for them. 02:17:48.578 --> 02:17:56.350 - Why didn't they do a collaborative one with MCHA? What else? Did MCHA apply for anything this year? 02:17:56.350 --> 02:18:04.277 - They did. Yeah. I think that's a good question to ask for any organization. Yeah, I mean, that's more 02:18:04.277 --> 02:18:12.126 - of that. They get to tell us because, you know, it's more us giving them some information than maybe 02:18:12.126 --> 02:18:15.390 - they don't realize it, for example. Yeah. 02:18:16.290 --> 02:18:23.755 - So what would we ask them if we invite them in. I mean, more so they have to come their first year, 02:18:23.755 --> 02:18:30.174 - their first time. No, we decided that if we can get them okay we can we can. Oh yeah. 02:18:30.466 --> 02:18:36.674 - I think similar to some of the things that Catherine and I brought up, I think this is like the sort 02:18:36.674 --> 02:18:42.943 - of outcome measures aren't super, super clear in terms of specifically to the Emergency Medical Fund. 02:18:42.943 --> 02:18:49.151 - So if they could elaborate on the outcomes associated with the Emergency Medical Fund, that would be 02:18:49.151 --> 02:18:55.297 - cool. I think they talk generally about their organization as a whole, but it would be nice to know 02:18:55.297 --> 02:19:00.030 - about the Emergency Medical Fund specifically. Okay. And then invite them to 02:19:05.602 --> 02:19:24.927 - Thank you. You want to let Cameron know she's welcome to return. Please. So now we have a collaborative 02:19:24.927 --> 02:19:35.518 - application with New Leap New Light. It hurts to change. 02:19:36.674 --> 02:19:46.971 - So people want to, I forget why people are coming where it's collaborative. This seems very straightforward. 02:19:46.971 --> 02:19:57.173 - Yeah. Don't worry, see a need to ask them any questions. I don't either. I mean, they're both organizations 02:19:57.173 --> 02:20:06.430 - we've dealt with before. They seem pretty straightforward. Yeah. Their collaboration makes sense. 02:20:06.690 --> 02:20:16.899 - Sometimes the collaborations don't quite make sense. It's a small movement. Yeah. All right. Yes. Yeah, 02:20:16.899 --> 02:20:27.010 - the collaborative. All right. So I don't think we need to invite them to participate. C-Jam. It's been 02:20:27.010 --> 02:20:35.550 - before us before. Eviction, prevention, mediation. Isn't this similar to what they can 02:20:36.002 --> 02:20:46.336 - with last year requesting. I think it was, yeah, eviction mediation. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. 02:20:46.336 --> 02:20:56.669 - I'm okay not asking them anything. I thought this was one of the clearest applications. Yeah, we don't 02:20:56.669 --> 02:21:05.598 - have any questions. Does anybody have any questions they want emailed or clarifications? 02:21:05.794 --> 02:21:18.617 - You can ask them if they're abiding by the Heading Home Plan and if they're collaborating with other 02:21:18.617 --> 02:21:31.314 - agencies associated with the Heading Home Plan. Not that we as a city are necessarily following the 02:21:31.314 --> 02:21:33.726 - Heading Home Plan. 02:21:35.970 --> 02:21:43.357 - Is this a new organization? They were not last year, I don't think, but two years ago. We did fund them 02:21:43.357 --> 02:21:50.743 - two years ago because they were not abiding by the Heading Plan. Very famous moment in my mind anyways, 02:21:50.743 --> 02:21:57.916 - where I said, are you abiding by the Heading Plan? We told them ahead of time that we would ask them 02:21:57.916 --> 02:22:05.374 - this question. And they said, what's that? And I thought, well, that's interesting. We've also sat here. 02:22:05.538 --> 02:22:15.125 - for five hours and heard other organizations then suddenly. I would like to ask them, who are 02:22:15.125 --> 02:22:25.427 - they cooperating with now? It's the question. There's been organizations that have invited you on to 02:22:25.427 --> 02:22:35.422 - staff, and they never come, and they never commute to the general class. So I would like to know, 02:22:35.810 --> 02:22:43.371 - What are you doing to moderate the area for either? I also, I mean, I'll probably ask when they're here 02:22:43.371 --> 02:22:50.715 - about the theory of change, why in the world do they, I mean, based on the theory of change, why are 02:22:50.715 --> 02:22:58.203 - they not asking us to fund the programs and asking us to fund the person? I think they did ask for the 02:22:58.203 --> 02:22:59.294 - other results. 02:22:59.618 --> 02:23:08.082 - Yes, but we didn't fund them. But we didn't fund them because we said that we will only fund, we said 02:23:08.082 --> 02:23:16.379 - at the beginning, we asked them to question and email, then ask them in person. It was a very clear 02:23:16.379 --> 02:23:24.926 - lesson. We'll try to do that. Okay, so we will invite Patel Shroud, Menorah County Humane Association. 02:23:34.498 --> 02:23:43.188 - I personally didn't have any questions for them. No, me neither. And they were just really hit by the 02:23:43.188 --> 02:23:51.708 - tornadoes. And they're not asking for treatment or stuff. Never accused myself for Summit Hill. And 02:23:51.708 --> 02:24:00.654 - all these conflicts out here. Only two of these are. Yeah, I was like, oh my goodness. All right, Summit 02:24:00.654 --> 02:24:04.062 - Hill Community Development Partnership. 02:24:04.994 --> 02:24:17.139 - grad housing food access. Have they come before us before? I don't. I don't. I'm not saying they haven't. 02:24:17.139 --> 02:24:28.941 - I just don't know. Okay. You didn't want that when you community garden project last year, but I don't 02:24:28.941 --> 02:24:33.982 - remember. I mean, we could ask them whether 02:24:34.114 --> 02:24:43.416 - their vehicle buyout is like a contractually locked agreement. Stated price. Do people, so once they 02:24:43.416 --> 02:24:52.903 - do that, what happens with title insurance? All the associated costs that come with owning a car, it's 02:24:52.903 --> 02:25:02.942 - not just like purchasing the car. They should have asked for more, like to take into account maintenance and 02:25:03.394 --> 02:25:13.485 - Licenses and... Exactly. So yeah, that'd be a good question. It's like, what's the plan for maintenance? 02:25:13.485 --> 02:25:23.096 - What's the plan for all of these other things that come along with owning a car? All right. So does 02:25:23.096 --> 02:25:28.286 - this warrant us inviting them in or is this an email? 02:25:28.834 --> 02:25:36.535 - It's an existential question though, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I'm just making sure we're inviting 02:25:36.535 --> 02:25:44.159 - them in. Okay. I'll go get them. Thank you. I don't think we did, we definitely didn't talk to them 02:25:44.159 --> 02:25:52.317 - last year and I don't remember them. Okay, thank you. Exodus Refugee Immigration. We'll maintain emergency 02:25:52.317 --> 02:25:53.918 - assistance programs. 02:26:00.930 --> 02:26:09.457 - Well, and they've come before us before. Any questions or requests? I'm just nosy. Because the number 02:26:09.457 --> 02:26:18.401 - of refugees in the United States are going down, who's their target audience now? Like, are these refugees 02:26:18.401 --> 02:26:26.928 - that are currently in? And this is an interesting question, but like, who are they aiming to? Because 02:26:26.928 --> 02:26:29.854 - we're not really letting you know. 02:26:30.242 --> 02:26:42.746 - Yeah, it would be nice to know that. But does it change our? No, it does. Just being nosy, I guess. 02:26:42.746 --> 02:26:55.374 - Oh, yeah. Awesome. Avalon Community Land Trust. They're new. Yeah. They're new cooperatives, so they 02:26:55.374 --> 02:26:58.750 - would be invited in. Yeah. 02:27:01.186 --> 02:27:07.217 - If we felt like you wanted them to come to the question, I would ask that this is maybe is the question 02:27:07.217 --> 02:27:13.248 - about cooperatives is about ownership structure of public facing infrastructure or something like that. 02:27:13.248 --> 02:27:19.047 - So, they're not new. They came in last year with a collaborative project with the universe. This is 02:27:19.047 --> 02:27:23.454 - between our project from last year. Yeah. And this is the one where I felt. 02:27:24.226 --> 02:27:30.913 - This is the one that made me feel like we shouldn't do summaries in the North, but this was like, well, 02:27:30.913 --> 02:27:37.472 - if you reviewed our budget, we would have seen, and I was like, you're right. Sorry. All right. So do 02:27:37.472 --> 02:27:44.030 - we have questions for them then, or are we any concerned? It's more of an interesting conversation to 02:27:44.030 --> 02:27:50.846 - be had than a question. I see. All right. And so we have no reason to invite them in? Correct. All right. 02:27:52.930 --> 02:28:01.623 - Boys and Girls Club of Bloomington. Is this in Bloomington? Jokes, jokes, jokes. It is not. It's in 02:28:01.623 --> 02:28:10.577 - Bloomington. So they asked for money for doors and security at this facility. Yes. Didn't we fund that 02:28:10.577 --> 02:28:19.618 - last year? We did. We did. We're just doing the ones we did. There's still a piece in security. There's 02:28:19.618 --> 02:28:20.574 - an outlet. 02:28:21.090 --> 02:28:29.380 - No, this is the one in Bloomington. Last year, though. But I think the Lincoln site had the new words. 02:28:29.380 --> 02:28:37.589 - It was the... Oh, no. Was it the Lincoln site? It was a couple years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Well, should we 02:28:37.589 --> 02:28:45.879 - have our chair find this out and hand in the answer that you have? No, she denied. So, in other words, 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:49.662 - this is still security all around for $20,000. 02:28:50.114 --> 02:28:58.228 - But this was what they asked last year. Did we just partially undercover? A couple of years ago. It 02:28:58.228 --> 02:29:06.423 - sounds like they had an incident in November of 2025 that showed that there was disparities with the 02:29:06.423 --> 02:29:14.619 - black community. I would like to have them, I would like to ask a question, maybe not have them come 02:29:14.619 --> 02:29:18.270 - in. And I don't know if they'll elaborate on 02:29:20.322 --> 02:29:35.778 - what's going on with the security. The elevator is pretty straightforward. That's the issue. All right. 02:29:35.778 --> 02:29:50.046 - So you're saying this can be an email? Yeah, I think so. What additional security measures will 02:29:51.298 --> 02:30:07.172 - $20,000 to help prevent criminal activities on the grounds. Sorry, Seth. To prevent future criminal 02:30:07.172 --> 02:30:16.062 - activities. Should we ask about did they get the doors? 02:30:18.402 --> 02:30:28.689 - or does that really afford me to ask? I don't think so. I just, I want to know what they need to spend 02:30:28.689 --> 02:30:39.076 - to for them to feel safe. And maybe it was wasn't it two years ago, right? So I want to know what, what 02:30:39.076 --> 02:30:47.166 - underlying issues would be helpful. What measures spend will make you feel safe? 02:30:48.674 --> 02:30:56.772 - Okay, so we will invite. No, we're not invited in the bill. Yes. Understood. Thank you. All right, Amethyst 02:30:56.772 --> 02:31:04.644 - House. Oh, question that just occurred to me. How are we going to deal with discrepancy? So you're going 02:31:04.644 --> 02:31:12.217 - to say, hey, we were wrong. Correct your numbers. And then what if their numbers are still lying on? 02:31:12.217 --> 02:31:13.342 - What do we do? 02:31:14.082 --> 02:31:20.737 - Well, the biggest thing is we're giving them the hint that one number needs to be bigger than the other 02:31:20.737 --> 02:31:27.200 - number. So that correction alone, well, and we can say, well, we're trying to just clarify it. We're 02:31:27.200 --> 02:31:33.919 - trying to give them that. But what we're trying to find, I guess, is the question. What is it that we're 02:31:33.919 --> 02:31:40.510 - asking them? We're asking them that we're going to resident search versus just number of people served 02:31:40.510 --> 02:31:43.966 - by these projects. Both of these are by this project. 02:31:44.386 --> 02:31:54.261 - is how the question is phrased, right? We might want to add a direct and indirect number to say like, 02:31:54.261 --> 02:32:04.137 - direct people served by this project, and be clear, unique individuals. Yeah. Number of people served 02:32:04.137 --> 02:32:14.206 - by this project, whether directly or indirectly, unique individuals. Yeah, and then I love that number. 02:32:14.338 --> 02:32:20.519 - How many are moving tonight? Yes. It's probably the better way to phrase it. So what do we do if they 02:32:20.519 --> 02:32:26.700 - come with funky numbers? Then we go, you don't know numbers and you can't manage money. You don't get 02:32:26.700 --> 02:32:33.002 - money. But I'm saying, like, do they get, is there a follow-up email? Is there a, right? Or do we just, 02:32:33.002 --> 02:32:39.425 - that's how we read them? From a project management perspective, I think what's happening before is emails 02:32:39.425 --> 02:32:42.334 - get responses and then the committee can decide 02:32:42.722 --> 02:32:53.223 - Or you could give the chair the authority to then invite them in order to interview very patiently. 02:32:53.223 --> 02:33:04.039 - Yes. And motion that the chair be authorized with the great chief authority to invite people who, upon 02:33:04.039 --> 02:33:11.390 - receiving the emails back, still finds a discrepancy. OK. Well, well. 02:33:12.706 --> 02:33:23.596 - Nobody seconded it, so that dies on the vine. That's fine. I tried. I tried. Just wait so we all see. 02:33:23.596 --> 02:33:33.740 - This is the problem. All right. We've got 20 minutes left. 22 minutes left. Eight more things. 02:33:33.740 --> 02:33:41.854 - We can do this. Amethyst has come to us before. No questions. No questions. 02:33:42.146 --> 02:33:54.442 - Any questions? None. Okay. Ivy Tech Community College, Wilmington. Tide and Harvest Food Pantry. So 02:33:54.442 --> 02:34:06.861 - technically, they're new to the fabrication process, correct? They are. I think you should hear from 02:34:06.861 --> 02:34:09.566 - them from that point. 02:34:12.546 --> 02:34:20.270 - assuming that a, I want to understand their relationship with, like, Ivy Tech is a higher ed institution 02:34:20.270 --> 02:34:27.700 - that does have a long research base. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that had been my, I saw Ivy Tech on 02:34:27.700 --> 02:34:35.057 - there. I was like, I can't believe that they say something like that. I mean, they are a nonprofit. 02:34:35.057 --> 02:34:41.310 - Yeah. But. Why didn't they list Tujer here, so they're not here? They did list them. 02:34:41.570 --> 02:34:48.625 - Why did they apply as a collaborative? Well, and why? I think they're just trying to demonstrate that 02:34:48.625 --> 02:34:55.543 - they have, like, they built some infrastructure that legitimizes them, where Hooger Hills has their 02:34:55.543 --> 02:35:02.598 - own priority for funding. Yeah, I would jump in and say, I mean, I like this idea, but in a way, it's 02:35:02.598 --> 02:35:09.792 - kind of weird. It's kind of like the city of Bloomington applying to Ivy Tech for a grant for some sort 02:35:09.792 --> 02:35:10.622 - of service. 02:35:10.978 --> 02:35:19.103 - It just feels, it's just kind of different. Also, why didn't they use their foundation? I see that Ivy 02:35:19.103 --> 02:35:27.229 - Tech has a foundation. Yeah. Why they didn't go to the parent company. I'm just... Yeah. Agreed. Okay. 02:35:27.229 --> 02:35:35.354 - So we'll invite them in and we'll ask them, please explain this setup better to us, this relationship, 02:35:35.354 --> 02:35:39.614 - and why didn't you use the foundation? And also is... 02:35:39.810 --> 02:35:50.778 - It seems like it's a non-profit, but I mean, it's a for-profit. Am I correct? No. Ivy Tech is, yeah, 02:35:50.778 --> 02:36:02.073 - Ivy Tech is non-profit. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, it feels unusual. I mean, I think we're just not there 02:36:02.073 --> 02:36:09.566 - for standards. Yeah. All right. Wheeler Mission Laundering Services. 02:36:11.746 --> 02:36:21.102 - They don't have any questions. Any questions? I mean, do they follow? We can email them. Do they follow 02:36:21.102 --> 02:36:30.098 - the Heading Home Plan? No, they're co-authors of it. Yeah, they're collaborators. Oh, they are. OK. 02:36:30.098 --> 02:36:39.005 - I know that they don't take part, I think, in the pit. They do now. They do now? They part in pit? 02:36:39.005 --> 02:36:40.894 - Carry on. All right. 02:36:41.570 --> 02:36:54.092 - Big brothers, big sisters of South Central Indiana. Would you say it, Siri? So it's like the same ask 02:36:54.092 --> 02:37:06.737 - we tend to get each year from them, am I correct? Or similar? It's a really big ask. Yeah. But we were 02:37:06.737 --> 02:37:10.174 - asking for a fine position. 02:37:11.714 --> 02:37:25.864 - I think these support mentors are volunteers. They're big, right? Well, do we have, I'm assuming we 02:37:25.864 --> 02:37:35.486 - don't need to invite them in because they've come before us before. 02:37:37.186 --> 02:37:44.003 - We don't seem to have a ton of overwhelming questions for them. Do we have any email questions that 02:37:44.003 --> 02:37:51.230 - we want clarifying? All right. Pretty much speaks for itself. Okay. All right. Mother Hubbard's cupboard. 02:38:07.010 --> 02:38:19.304 - Any outstanding questions from other Hubbard's covered? No? All right. New Hope Family Shelter. New 02:38:19.304 --> 02:38:31.599 - Hope for Families. This is similar to Pathways, I feel. Are we having Pathways for Men? I think so. 02:38:31.599 --> 02:38:35.902 - So are we having Pathways for Men? 02:38:37.730 --> 02:38:46.491 - I mean, they've kind of spelled it out in the project information. I think we have an app named Book 02:38:46.491 --> 02:38:55.512 - of Millions at Fort Lewis. I'm trying to. I don't know that we are here in Paris. If they're not coming 02:38:55.512 --> 02:39:04.446 - here, then you can listen. I didn't know. It's been a big ass. Yeah. I think we're e-mailing pathways. 02:39:07.010 --> 02:39:16.027 - questions you're going to vote, because they kind of spelled it out. Yeah. Is this maybe funded in the 02:39:16.027 --> 02:39:25.218 - past? They actually were rejected last year. But we have funded them in the past. And their organization 02:39:25.218 --> 02:39:33.972 - was very collaborative. Yeah. Last year, they were looking for a canopy over there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 02:39:33.972 --> 02:39:35.198 - It hit a lot. 02:39:35.426 --> 02:39:47.133 - priority. Can I ask a question about Mother Humbertson? You'll have to make a motion to go back now. 02:39:47.133 --> 02:39:59.536 - Just as we're thinking more about the numbers of people served, when they clarify this, this is my example 02:39:59.536 --> 02:40:01.854 - where I don't know, 02:40:02.242 --> 02:40:10.185 - That's more people than live in this city, mate. On both occasions. That's more people than the hills. 02:40:10.185 --> 02:40:18.051 - That's like almost as many, that's like all the people in in Monroe County. Yeah. So, so I, so I did, 02:40:18.051 --> 02:40:26.071 - I don't know, all I'm saying is it illustrates that we're going to ask for clarifying and they're going 02:40:26.071 --> 02:40:31.006 - to send us back these numbers. And that number gives them some, 02:40:31.490 --> 02:40:36.759 - positioning difference to me, but I don't know what that number means. What does that number mean? Yeah, 02:40:36.759 --> 02:40:41.877 - so let's just ask him to explain. Can you explain where you got your numbers? Yeah, so like, yeah, so 02:40:41.877 --> 02:40:46.944 - when we send it to everybody, can we also be like... We need to be like, you said this. No, I'm just 02:40:46.944 --> 02:40:52.113 - saying like the broad question is like, tell us these four things that we said earlier. And he's like, 02:40:52.113 --> 02:40:56.478 - and can you please provide a little explanation to like how you came to these numbers? 02:40:57.986 --> 02:41:04.992 - Sorry, that is just, sorry. No, I, yeah, that, I mean, you're right. We want to be as clear as we can 02:41:04.992 --> 02:41:11.998 - and get as much info as we can. Exactly. So we don't, so we're not, we end up misjudging people based 02:41:11.998 --> 02:41:18.661 - on, you know, based on, based on faulty data. Absolutely. Incomplete data or whatever. Yep. Yep. 02:41:18.661 --> 02:41:25.736 - All right. No, you're good. Indiana Recovery Alliance, they've been before us before. So this is a new 02:41:25.736 --> 02:41:27.934 - position that they have funded. 02:41:28.034 --> 02:41:38.072 - They've done a good job about asking very specific and incoming jobs that they fund afterwards. Yeah, 02:41:38.072 --> 02:41:48.800 - because I believe the past two years was each to get new positions off the ground. Yeah. I don't necessarily 02:41:48.800 --> 02:41:57.854 - have any questions that I thought was asked. Anybody have any questions for IRA? All right. 02:41:58.114 --> 02:42:10.045 - The last one, My Sister's Closet. They're very large. Yes, they also are moving. Paper HVAC consists 02:42:10.045 --> 02:42:21.857 - of electrical costs. Report me if there's something I haven't tried to read over there. We actually 02:42:21.857 --> 02:42:26.110 - had a better workbook on there too. 02:42:28.674 --> 02:42:41.020 - That's not part of our rubric. So you should ask questions to clarify what's not clear in there, 02:42:41.020 --> 02:42:54.638 - in the graph. Plus, we made the move, so. Is this an invite or is this a no? If you feel like it's totally 02:42:54.638 --> 02:42:57.438 - unclear and it would, 02:42:58.178 --> 02:43:04.746 - like it would stop you from being able to evaluate them, then we have to invite them or you have to 02:43:04.746 --> 02:43:11.380 - ask all of your questions so you can evaluate them. I don't know. I like what they're saying they're 02:43:11.380 --> 02:43:18.144 - going to do, but I'd love to hear like, because if they expand, will they reach more people? Will they 02:43:18.144 --> 02:43:24.909 - be able to do more client outreach? Like what will these renovations, what does it mean to be critical 02:43:24.909 --> 02:43:28.062 - maintaining uninterrupted access? What is that? 02:43:29.314 --> 02:43:36.623 - What do they mean? What are the renovations? What's that? Okay. So the question, so are you, are we 02:43:36.623 --> 02:43:44.006 - saying we want to invite them in or send an email? I thought you were all saying it was unclear. No, 02:43:44.006 --> 02:43:51.389 - I was, I was saying historically they've not sold themselves well in their grant writing. That's why 02:43:51.389 --> 02:43:56.286 - I said, I wish they had help with their grant writing. That's all. 02:43:56.802 --> 02:44:06.972 - I just don't think they're good salespeople for themselves. I say they should bring them in. I'd love 02:44:06.972 --> 02:44:17.241 - to hear more about what this $50,000 will do for their long-term success and goals. I don't think it's 02:44:17.241 --> 02:44:25.118 - clear here. All right, so we will invite them in. OK, anybody else? All right. 02:44:30.050 --> 02:44:45.843 - It looks like, I didn't mark at the beginning. I have at least one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 02:44:45.843 --> 02:44:58.750 - eight, nine, 10, according by my count. 10 organizations were requesting to come in. 02:45:16.578 --> 02:45:32.114 - So by my record keeping, we're inviting in Bloomington Cooperative Living, Tandem, Sober Mesa, 02:45:32.114 --> 02:45:46.014 - Suzy's Place, Hendricks County, Casam at IU, Silver Linings Rescue, Hotels for Help, 02:45:47.170 --> 02:46:00.820 - Summit Hill, Ivy Tech, and my sister's closet. I have spoken. This is the way. This is the way. 02:46:00.820 --> 02:46:16.318 - I go home. The Star Wars comes out today, guys. Woo-hoo! Whoa! Very exciting. Thanks for opening the binder. 02:46:16.802 --> 02:46:25.073 - My pleasure. I've been waiting for years for this one. All right. So am I good? Yes. Yeah, just for 02:46:25.073 --> 02:46:33.426 - the record, the set, I think it's pronounced Kessam. Kessam, thank you. Kessam. Kessam with like the 02:46:33.426 --> 02:46:42.028 - small e or short e, Kessam. Not like Casey, remember Casey Kasem? Not Casey Kasem? No, not Casey Kasem. 02:46:42.028 --> 02:46:46.494 - Not Shaggy from Scooby Doo. All right. If nobody else 02:46:46.658 --> 02:46:51.262 - Has anything important to say?